From owner-freebsd-scsi Sun Sep 7 03:39:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA13018 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 03:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iafnl.es.iaf.nl (uucp@iafnl.es.iaf.nl [195.108.17.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA13013 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 03:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA03446 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG); Sun, 7 Sep 1997 12:39:41 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA00623; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 20:13:08 +0200 (MET DST) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199709061813.UAA00623@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: Is this (SCSI) tape drive compatible with FreeBSD? To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 20:13:08 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19970906102021.YZ35994@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Sep 6, 97 10:20:21 am X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As J Wunsch wrote... > As Richard Foulk wrote: > > > I suppose you could say that QIC was more robust back when they were > > more widely used and less data was being archived. In today's world > > they're not all that robust when compared to the alternatives. > > This is an old religious war, and i won't continue it myself except > for this mail. > > QIC still *is* more robust than any helical-scan technology. DAT > being worst, the drives usually don't last longer than 1.5 years when > being used on a daily basis (and this was with the older, better > quality HP drives, the toys that are built these days often don't > survive a couple of months). Media often fail after a couple of > years, seen this personally with the DAT cartridges of a customer (and > they did have spare copies). 8 mm Exabyte comes next, but still, it's > helical scan, and once you've looked inside these drives with its > about 10 different motors, and dozens of wheels in it, you start > distrusting them if you've got the slightes feeling for mechanics. > Complete this exercise by reading Exabyte's recommendation for how to > remove a jamming cassette. :-) Needless to say, chances are good that > you're damaging this cassette when removing... Chances are 100% in my book. I do have some experience doing it and it's a royal pain in the b*tt. > The general opinion of quite a number of people is that longit- > udinally-recording drives (QIC, DLT, MLT (sp?)) are much more robust, > becuase of them being KISS. QIC ain't dead either, i'm not the only > one using it, and there are drives available up to 10 or 20 GB as well > (which still can read and write the old QIC-150 cartridges). I have yet to loose a QIC tape. Even DLT can get mangled, most of the times this is from people dropping cartridges or getting the leader pickup thingie in the drive coming loose from it's hook. Easy to fix if you know what you're doing. I have an Exabyte 8200, a DLT2000 and a Tandberg 2Gb QIC drive so I can do some comparing. As you can guess I like the DLT best ;-) _ ____________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl http://www.tcja.nl/~wilko |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands - Do, or do not. There is no 'try' ----------------------------------------------------------------------Yoda From owner-freebsd-scsi Sun Sep 7 09:25:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA27174 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 09:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA27169 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 09:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA29967; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 11:25:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 11:25:47 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Joerg Wunsch cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, Donald Burr Subject: Re: Is this (SCSI) tape drive compatible with FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <19970906101258.KU52967@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 6 Sep 1997, J Wunsch wrote: > OTOH, QIC-150 media can often be gotten for free. Try to find a > company that used to be a workstation reseller in the past, the > workstation vendors used to ship their software updates on these media I have had very bad luck with these second hand tapes. Make sure you test them before trusting them with your data. -john From owner-freebsd-scsi Sun Sep 7 09:33:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA27507 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 09:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA27502 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 09:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA29979; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 11:33:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 11:33:33 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Joerg Wunsch cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is this (SCSI) tape drive compatible with FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <19970906102021.YZ35994@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 6 Sep 1997, J Wunsch wrote: > This is an old religious war, and i won't continue it myself except > for this mail. > The general opinion of quite a number of people is that longit- > udinally-recording drives (QIC, DLT, MLT (sp?)) are much more robust, > becuase of them being KISS. QIC ain't dead either, i'm not the only > one using it, and there are drives available up to 10 or 20 GB as well > (which still can read and write the old QIC-150 cartridges). Okay, in this war I'm an ignorant bystander ready to be converted one way or another. I do have an archive viper, but as I think I mentioned, it isn't working too well anymore and backing up 3gb of disk is damn tedious with it. I'm now thinking about what it will be replaced with. What is the scoop on TR-4 drives such as the HP T4000 and Seagate T8000? What is it about DAT or 8MM drives of similar capacity and read/write speed (on the spec sheet at least) that makes them cost about 50% more? -john From owner-freebsd-scsi Sun Sep 7 09:37:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA27686 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 09:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA27680 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 09:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id SAA04762; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:30:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA01785; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:15:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970907181524.04607@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:15:24 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: gibbs@plutotech.com Cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: (current) ahc driver problems: timed out in message in phase and referenced scb not valid during seqint Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Justin ! [ cc'd to scsi@freebsd.org ] Yesterday I took two disks at home to play a little with ccd's. First of all, impressive, I get the following bonny results using an interleave of 128: 100 8963 86.8 8994 28.2 3172 13.0 8679 87.5 8925 19.3 163.2 6.4 Now here my problems and how they occurred: I did a make release on the /local2 ccd. Everything is fine so far, very fast and such ... (took about 4.5 hours). But when trying to make a backup of /local2/release/R/ftp/* to tape (tar cvf /dev/nrst0 *), then after writing bin and catpages the backup hangs in the compat1x directory. In the first case the LED of the 2nd disk of the ccd0 stripe set was on and the backup session hang. The following error message showed up in the xconsole window: scb 0x5: timed out in message in phase SCSISIGI == 0xe6. After about 20 seconds the screen turned dark and the machine rebooted. My 2nd try of bringing this directory to tape ended with the following message in the xconsole window: ahc1:A:4 ahc_intr: referenced scb not valid during seqint 0x71 scb(255) This time I was able to bring X11 down and to shutdown -r as user. This time no disk LED was on, but the light of the 2nd SCSI controller was on, the 2nd SCSI channel (ahc1) hang... Here my complete configuration ... Since this is my first experience with ccd's and backups to tape using data from the ccd, I can't say if this is ccd specific. BTW: I use a SMP kernel and will try to tell you if this is maybe the reason ... Well, I could try to boot a UP kernel to look, if the problem is SMP related or not ... Andreas /// # ccd ileave flags component devices ccd0 128 none /dev/sd3e /dev/sd4e Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/sd1a 31743 17632 11572 60% / /dev/sd1s1e 194471 151933 26981 85% /var /dev/sd1s1g 1457855 586985 754242 44% /usr /dev/sd1s1f 297663 179671 94179 66% /usr/src /dev/sd0s2e 248047 139330 88874 61% /usr/obj /dev/sd0s2f 545759 404242 97857 81% /cvs /dev/sd0s2g 179011 108881 55809 66% /news /dev/sd2s1e 99183 14054 77195 15% /www /dev/sd2s1f 1882495 1175531 556365 68% /local procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc mfs:28 30991 30 28482 0% /tmp /dev/ccd0c 4094845 660446 3106812 18% /local2 configuration: 1. Controller: ultra speed: 20 MB/sec, parity enabled AHC 2940U - terminator (ahc0 enabled) - sd0, ID 0: IBM DORS 32160 /usr/obj,/cvs,/news - sd1, ID 1: IBM DORS 32160 /,/var,/usr,/usr/src - sd2, ID 2: IBM DORS 32160 /www,/local - terminator (sd2) 2. Controller: normal speed: 10 MB/sec, parity enabled AHC 2940 - terminator (ahc1 enabled) - sd3, ID 0: IBM DORS 32160 -+ - sd4, ID 1: IBM DORS 32160 -+-> ccd0: /local2 - st0, ID 4: TDC 4222 - cd0, ID 6: XM-5701TA - terminator (cd0) Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/sd1a 31743 17632 11572 60% / /dev/sd1s1e 194471 151911 27003 85% /var /dev/sd1s1g 1457855 586988 754239 44% /usr /dev/sd1s1f 297663 179671 94179 66% /usr/src /dev/sd0s2e 248047 139330 88874 61% /usr/obj /dev/sd0s2f 545759 404242 97857 81% /cvs /dev/sd0s2g 179011 108881 55809 66% /news /dev/sd2s1e 99183 14976 76273 16% /www /dev/sd2s1f 1882495 1175523 556373 68% /local procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc mfs:28 30991 14 28498 0% /tmp /dev/ccd0c 4094845 660446 3106812 18% /local2 # # BISDN kernel # machine "i386" cpu "I686_CPU" ident BISDNSMP maxusers 64 # SMP Stuff options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O options USER_LDT # for Wine # Debugging #options DDB #options KTRACE #kernel tracing options SHOW_BUSYBUFS # busy buffers on shutdown ? # Networking options INET #InterNETworking options IPFIREWALL #firewall options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE #print information about dropped packets options "IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=100" #limit verbosity # filesystems options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem #options NFS #Network File System options MFS #Memory File System options PROCFS #Process filesystem options MSDOSFS #MS DOS File System options "CD9660" #ISO 9660 filesystem options NSWAPDEV=3 #Allow this many swap-devices. # misc options options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options SYSVSHM,SYSVSEM,SYSVMSG #shared memory (X11) options "MD5" options COMPAT_LINUX # Linux Binary compatibility config kernel root on sd1 # ISA and PCI BUS support controller isa0 controller pci0 # Floppy Disk Controller controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 # AHA 2940 PCI Controller controller ahc0 # SCSI Devices controller scbus0 device sd0 # Harddisk 0 - DOS/FreeBSD SMP device sd1 # Harddisk 1 - FreeBSD Boot device sd2 # Harddisk 2 - FreeBSD local device st0 # TDC 4222 device cd0 # TOSHIBA XM-5701TA 3136 options AHC_TAGENABLE # tagged command queueing options AHC_ALLOW_MEMIO options AHC_SCBPAGING_ENABLE options SCSI_REPORT_GEOMETRY # SCO compatible system console device sc0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector scintr options MAXCONS=4 # number of virtual consoles # floating point unit device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" flags 0x1 irq 13 vector npxintr # serial devices on mainboard device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 vector siointr device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 vector siointr # parallel device on mainboard device lpt0 at isa? port? tty irq 7 vector lptintr # PS/2 mouse on mainboard device psm0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" conflicts tty irq 12 vector psmintr options "PSM_ACCEL=1" # PS/2 mouse acceleration # Joystick device joy0 at isa? port "IO_GAME" # Network 3COM PCI # device vx0 device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 10 iomem 0xd0000 vector edintr # Soundblaster 16 # SoundBlaster DSP driver - for SB, SB Pro, SB16, PAS(emulating SB) # SoundBlaster 16 DSP driver - for SB16 - requires sb0 device # SoundBlaster 16 MIDI - for SB16 - requires sb0 device # Yamaha OPL-2/OPL-3 FM - for SB, SB Pro, SB16, PAS controller snd0 device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 conflicts drq 1 vector sbintr device sbxvi0 at isa? port? irq? drq 5 conflicts device sbmidi0 at isa? port 0x330 irq? conflicts device opl0 at isa? port 0x388 conflicts # Pseudo devices pseudo-device loop pseudo-device ether pseudo-device log #Kernel syslog interface (/dev/klog) pseudo-device vn 1 #Vnode driver (turns a file into a dev.) pseudo-device tun 1 #user mode ppp pseudo-device bpfilter 2 #Berkeley packet filter pseudo-device pty 16 pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's # BISDN options IPI_VJ # Van Jacobsen header compression support #options "IPI_DIPA=3" # send ip accounting packets every 3 seconds options TELES_HAS_MEMCPYB # bisdn 0.97 # Teles S0/16.3 ###################################################### IRQ 9 ## controller tel0 at isa? port 0xd80 net irq 9 vector telintr pseudo-device disdn pseudo-device isdn pseudo-device ipi 1 pseudo-device ispy 1 #pseudo-device itel 1 dmesg output: pseudo-device ccd 4 #Concatenated disk driver pci_open(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x8000005c pci_open(1a): mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000) pci_cfgcheck: device 0 [class=060000] [hdr=00] is there (id=12378086) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x1237, revid=0x02 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 chip0: rev 0x02 on pci0.0.0 found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7000, revid=0x01 class=06-01-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 chip1: rev 0x01 on pci0.7.0 I/O Recovery Timing: 8-bit 1 clocks, 16-bit 1 clocks Extended BIOS: enabled Lower BIOS: disabled Coprocessor IRQ13: enabled Mouse IRQ12: enabled Interrupt Routing: A: IRQ15, B: IRQ11, C: IRQ9, D: disabled MB0: , MB1: found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x7010, revid=0x00 class=01-01-80, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 Freeing (NOT implemented) redirected PCI irq 9. found-> vendor=0x102b, dev=0x0519, revid=0x01 class=03-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 intpin=a, irq=18 map[0]: type 1, range 32, base e0800000, size 14 map[1]: type 3, range 32, base e0000000, size 23 vga0: rev 0x01 int a irq 18 on pci0.12.0 Freeing (NOT implemented) redirected PCI irq 11. found-> vendor=0x9004, dev=0x8178, revid=0x00 class=01-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 intpin=a, irq=17 map[0]: type 4, range 32, base 00008000, size 8 map[1]: type 1, range 32, base e0804000, size 12 ahc0: rev 0x00 int a irq 17 on pci0.13.0 ahc0: Reading SEEPROM...done. internal50 cable is present internal68 cable not present brdctl == 0xac external cable not present eprom is present brdctl == 0xec low byte termination enabled, high byte termination disabled ahc0: aic7880 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs ahc0: Resetting Channel A ahc0: Downloading Sequencer Program...ahc0: 421 instructions downloaded Done ahc0: Probing channel A scbus0 at ahc0 bus 0 ahc0: target 0 synchronous at 20.0MHz, offset = 0xf ahc0: target 0 Tagged Queuing Device sd0 at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 sd0: type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0: Direct-Access 2063MB (4226725 512 byte sectors) sd0: with 6703 cyls, 5 heads, and an average 126 sectors/track ahc0: target 1 synchronous at 20.0MHz, offset = 0xf ahc0: target 1 Tagged Queuing Device sd1 at scbus0 target 1 lun 0 sd1: type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd1: Direct-Access 2063MB (4226725 512 byte sectors) sd1: with 6703 cyls, 5 heads, and an average 126 sectors/track ahc0: target 2 synchronous at 20.0MHz, offset = 0xf ahc0: target 2 Tagged Queuing Device sd2 at scbus0 target 2 lun 0 sd2: type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd2: Direct-Access 2063MB (4226725 512 byte sectors) sd2: with 6703 cyls, 5 heads, and an average 126 sectors/track Freeing (NOT implemented) redirected PCI irq 15. found-> vendor=0x9004, dev=0x7178, revid=0x03 class=01-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 intpin=a, irq=16 map[0]: type 4, range 32, base 00008100, size 8 map[1]: type 1, range 32, base e0805000, size 12 ahc1: rev 0x03 int a irq 16 on pci0.14.0 ahc1: Reading SEEPROM...done. internal50 cable not present internal68 cable not present brdctl == 0xec external cable not present eprom is present brdctl == 0xec low byte termination enabled, high byte termination disabled ahc1: aic7870 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs ahc1: Resetting Channel A ahc1: Downloading Sequencer Program...ahc1: 414 instructions downloaded Done ahc1: Probing channel A scbus1 at ahc1 bus 0 ahc1: target 0 synchronous at 10.0MHz, offset = 0xf ahc1: target 0 Tagged Queuing Device sd3 at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 sd3: type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd3: Direct-Access 2063MB (4226725 512 byte sectors) sd3: with 6703 cyls, 5 heads, and an average 126 sectors/track ahc1: target 1 synchronous at 10.0MHz, offset = 0xf ahc1: target 1 Tagged Queuing Device sd4 at scbus1 target 1 lun 0 sd4: type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd4: Direct-Access 2063MB (4226725 512 byte sectors) sd4: with 6703 cyls, 5 heads, and an average 126 sectors/track ahc1: target 4 synchronous at 4.4MHz, offset = 0x8 st0 at scbus1 target 4 lun 0 st0: type 1 removable SCSI 2 st0: Sequential-Access density code 0x0, 512-byte blocks, write-enabled ahc1: target 6 synchronous at 10.0MHz, offset = 0x8 cd0 at scbus1 target 6 lun 0 cd0: type 5 removable SCSI 2 cd0: CD-ROM can't get the size Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0: the current keyboard controller command byte 0047 kbdio: DIAGNOSE status:0055 kbdio: TEST_KBD_PORT status:0000 kbdio: RESET_KBD return code:00fa kbdio: RESET_KBD status:00aa sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: BIOS video mode:3 sc0: VGA registers upon power-up sc0: video mode:24 sc0: VGA registers for mode:24 sc0: VGA color <4 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0 at 0x280-0x29f irq 10 maddr 0xd0000 msize 16384 on isa ed0: address 00:00:c0:5a:98:2a, type WD8013EPC (16 bit) bpf: ed0 attached sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface bpf: lp0 attached psm0: current command byte:0047 kbdio: TEST_AUX_PORT status:0000 kbdio: RESET_AUX return code:00fa kbdio: RESET_AUX status:00aa kbdio: RESET_AUX ID:0000 psm0: status after reset 00 02 64 psm: status b1 03 c8 (get_mouse_buttons) psm0: status 00 02 64 psm0 at 0x60-0x64 irq 12 on motherboard psm0: device ID 0, 3 buttons fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 72065B fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in tel0 at 0xd80 irq 9 on isa bpf: ipi0 attached tel0: card type Teles S0/16.3 npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface joy0 at 0x201 on isa joy0: joystick sb0 at 0x220-0x22f irq 5 drq 1 on isa sb0: sbxvi0 drq 5 on isa sbxvi0: sbmidi0 at 0x330-0x331 on isa sbmidi0: opl0 at 0x388-0x38b on isa opl0: imasks: bio c0030040, tty c300109a, net c2000600 SMP: enabled INTs: 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12, 16, 17, apic_imen: 0x00fce905 BIOS Geometries: 0:03fe3f20 0..1022=1023 cylinders, 0..63=64 heads, 1..32=32 sectors 1:03fe3f20 0..1022=1023 cylinders, 0..63=64 heads, 1..32=32 sectors 2:03fe3f20 0..1022=1023 cylinders, 0..63=64 heads, 1..32=32 sectors 3:03fe3f20 0..1022=1023 cylinders, 0..63=64 heads, 1..32=32 sectors 4:03fe3f20 0..1022=1023 cylinders, 0..63=64 heads, 1..32=32 sectors 0 accounted for Device configuration finished. Considering FFS root f/s. configure() finished. Linux-ELF exec handler installed APIC_IO: routing 8254 via 8259 on pin 0 bpf: tun0 attached bpf: lo0 attached ccd0-3: Concatenated disk drivers IP packet filtering initialized, divert disabled, logging limited to 100 packets/entry SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! SMP: CPU1 apic_initialize(): lint0: 0x00010700 lint1: 0x00010400 TPR: 0x00000000 SVR: 0x000001ff sd1s1: type 0xa5, start 32, end = 4225023, size 4224992 : OK WARNING: / was not properly dismounted. sd3s1: type 0xa5, start 63, end = 4225094, size 4225032 : OK sd4s1: type 0xa5, start 63, end = 4225094, size 4225032 : OK sd0s1: type 0x6, start 32, end = 511999, size 511968 : OK sd0s2: type 0xa5, start 2048000, end = 4225023, size 2177024 : OK sd0s3: type 0x5, start 512000, end = 2047999, size 1536000 : OK sd0s5: type 0x6, start 512032, end = 1023999, size 511968 : OK sd0: type 0x5, start 1024000, end = 1535999, size 512000 : OK sd0s6: type 0x6, start 1024032, end = 1535999, size 511968 : OK sd0: type 0x5, start 1536000, end = 2047999, size 512000 : OK sd0s7: type 0x7, start 1536032, end = 2047999, size 511968 : OK sd2s1: type 0xa5, start 32, end = 4225023, size 4224992 : OK Assigned: TEI = 0xe3 = 113 -- Andreas Klemm | klemm.gtn.com - powered by Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/benches.html From owner-freebsd-scsi Sun Sep 7 10:21:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA02022 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 10:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA02013 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 10:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id TAA22154 for freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:21:13 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id SAA13650; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:55:37 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970907185536.YR13970@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:55:36 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is this (SCSI) tape drive compatible with FreeBSD? References: <19970906102021.YZ35994@uriah.heep.sax.de> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: ; from John Fieber on Sep 7, 1997 11:33:33 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As John Fieber wrote: > I do have an archive viper, but as I think I > mentioned, it isn't working too well anymore and backing up 3gb > of disk is damn tedious with it. :-) I've indeed been backing up my 1.2 GB disk with a TDC36xx (QIC-150 drive). Doing a level-8 restore from 6 tapes (3 x DC6250 + 1 x DC6150 for the level 0, 1 x DC6250 + 1 x DC6150 for the level 8) was indeed a little messy... > What is the scoop on TR-4 drives such as the HP T4000 and Seagate > T8000? I wouldn't trust them much. The SCSI errors i've seen from those Travan tapes were suggesting a very lousy SCSI implementation. They've even omitted SCSI commands that are clearly marked being mandatory by the standard, let alone the usual optional commands most drives do actually implement. > What is it about DAT or 8MM drives of similar capacity > and read/write speed (on the spec sheet at least) that makes them > cost about 50% more? Ask the question the other way round: why are thos Travan tapes that cheap if proven good mechanics still costs an arm and a leg? The only answer i can think of is that this is just throwaway-ware, not designed to survive forever. Today's DAT drives often last only about a year or two when being in daily use. Go figure how long a Travan tape might do it... -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-scsi Sun Sep 7 11:09:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA03998 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 11:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA03992; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 11:09:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199709071809.LAA03992@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Is this (SCSI) tape drive compatible with FreeBSD? To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 11:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <19970907185536.YR13970@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Sep 7, 97 06:55:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch wrote: > > As John Fieber wrote: > > > I do have an archive viper, but as I think I > > mentioned, it isn't working too well anymore and backing up 3gb > > of disk is damn tedious with it. > > :-) > > I've indeed been backing up my 1.2 GB disk with a TDC36xx (QIC-150 > drive). Doing a level-8 restore from 6 tapes (3 x DC6250 + 1 x DC6150 > for the level 0, 1 x DC6250 + 1 x DC6150 for the level 8) was indeed a > little messy... 1.35GB scsi tape drive is what i use. bought mine from www.corpsys.com Archive FSCSI H/H 1300MB 1/4in New, 90 day warranty (No tape) $170 they also have 700MB and 850MB drives see "http://www.corpsys.com/cgi-bin/select?135993044357747&IN&N" tapes are rather expensive at $39 each. jmb From owner-freebsd-scsi Sun Sep 7 13:28:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA09316 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 13:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA09307; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 13:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA00583; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 15:28:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 15:28:08 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is this (SCSI) tape drive compatible with FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <199709071809.LAA03992@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 7 Sep 1997, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > 1.35GB scsi tape drive is what i use. bought mine from > www.corpsys.com > Archive FSCSI H/H 1300MB 1/4in > New, 90 day warranty (No tape) > $170 How fast? -john From owner-freebsd-scsi Sun Sep 7 16:20:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA16969 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 16:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA16938; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 16:20:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199709072320.QAA16938@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Is this (SCSI) tape drive compatible with FreeBSD? To: jfieber@indiana.edu (John Fieber) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 16:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "John Fieber" at Sep 7, 97 03:28:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John Fieber wrote: > > On Sun, 7 Sep 1997, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > 1.35GB scsi tape drive is what i use. bought mine from > > www.corpsys.com > > Archive FSCSI H/H 1300MB 1/4in > > New, 90 day warranty (No tape) > > $170 > > How fast? 477 KBytes/sec DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Thu Sep 4 21:10:23 1997 DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch DUMP: Dumping /dev/rsd2e (/usr/local) to /dev/nrst0 DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files] DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories] DUMP: estimated 282347 tape blocks on 0.43 tape(s). DUMP: dumping (Pass III) [directories] DUMP: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files] DUMP: 50.19% done, finished in 0:04 DUMP: DUMP: 282411 tape blocks on 1 volumes(s) DUMP: finished in 592 seconds, throughput 477 KBytes/sec DUMP: level 0 dump on Thu Sep 4 21:10:23 1997 DUMP: Closing /dev/nrst0 DUMP: DUMP IS DONE From owner-freebsd-scsi Sun Sep 7 16:26:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA17198 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 16:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA17192; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 16:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA01783; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:26:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:26:04 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is this (SCSI) tape drive compatible with FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <199709072320.QAA16938@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 7 Sep 1997, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > John Fieber wrote: > > > > On Sun, 7 Sep 1997, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > > > 1.35GB scsi tape drive is what i use. bought mine from > > > www.corpsys.com > > > Archive FSCSI H/H 1300MB 1/4in > > > New, 90 day warranty (No tape) > > > $170 > > > > How fast? > > 477 KBytes/sec Hm.... I'll have to give this some serious though. The speed and capacity are about 5 times that of the viper, and the media cost per byte is about half. What sort of tapes does this use? -john From owner-freebsd-scsi Sun Sep 7 17:00:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA18982 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA18961; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:00:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199709080000.RAA18961@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Is this (SCSI) tape drive compatible with FreeBSD? To: jfieber@indiana.edu (John Fieber) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "John Fieber" at Sep 7, 97 06:26:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John Fieber wrote: > > On Sun, 7 Sep 1997, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > John Fieber wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, 7 Sep 1997, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > > > > > 1.35GB scsi tape drive is what i use. bought mine from > > > > www.corpsys.com > > > > Archive FSCSI H/H 1300MB 1/4in > > > > New, 90 day warranty (No tape) > > > > $170 > > > > > > How fast? > > > > 477 KBytes/sec > > Hm.... I'll have to give this some serious though. The speed > and capacity are about 5 times that of the viper, and the media > cost per byte is about half. What sort of tapes does this use? full-size QIC tapes, the rugged ones with the aluminum plate. label reads: Maxell DC-9135 1.35 gigabytes 1/4" data cartridge 900 Oe 38,750 FTPI 760ft/232M jmb From owner-freebsd-scsi Sun Sep 7 22:52:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA09232 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 22:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA09162 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 22:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id HAA00427 for freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 07:51:53 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id HAA16028; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 07:47:25 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970908074725.OZ12393@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 07:47:25 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is this (SCSI) tape drive compatible with FreeBSD? References: <199709080000.RAA18961@hub.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199709080000.RAA18961@hub.freebsd.org>; from Jonathan M. Bresler on Sep 7, 1997 17:00:16 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > What sort of tapes does this use? > > full-size QIC tapes, the rugged ones with the aluminum plate. > label reads: > Maxell > DC-9135 1.35 gigabytes Btw., only out of curiosity, what about backward compatibility? The Tandbergs are backward-compatible down to QIC-120/QIC-150 for writing, and QIC-24 (60 MB) for reading. The DC-9135 is IMHO the ``extended length'' version of a DC-9100, i.e. it's basically a QIC 1 GB drive, like the Tandberg TDC 41xx series. 477 KB/s looks rather fast for such a drive, my drive gets between 200 and 250 KB/s on 1 GB cartridges. (It can push something in the 400 ... 500 KB/s range, but only onto 2/2.5 GB cartridges, and employing hardware compression.) Btw., you might add this drive to the hw.sgml file in the FreeBSD handbook then, it seems to be a good recommendation. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-scsi Mon Sep 8 05:05:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA25986 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 05:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA25981 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 05:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA03292; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 07:05:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 07:05:31 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Joerg Wunsch cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is this (SCSI) tape drive compatible with FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <19970908074725.OZ12393@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, J Wunsch wrote: > Btw., you might add this drive to the hw.sgml file in the FreeBSD > handbook then, it seems to be a good recommendation. On a closer investigation, it does appear to be listed... -john From owner-freebsd-scsi Mon Sep 8 06:58:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA02962 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 06:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stevenson.cogsci.ed.ac.uk (stevenson144.cogsci.ed.ac.uk [129.215.144.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA02956 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 06:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from richard@localhost) by stevenson.cogsci.ed.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA21518; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:57:59 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:57:59 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709081357.OAA21518@stevenson.cogsci.ed.ac.uk> From: Richard Tobin Subject: Re: Is this (SCSI) tape drive compatible with FreeBSD? To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch), freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: J Wunsch's message of Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:55:36 +0200 Organization: just say no Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > What is the scoop on TR-4 drives such as the HP T4000 and Seagate > > T8000? Incidentally, these drives are a QIC standard, and have something like 65 linear tracks. Of course, they don't take traditional QIC tapes. > I wouldn't trust them much. The SCSI errors i've seen from those > Travan tapes were suggesting a very lousy SCSI implementation. > They've even omitted SCSI commands that are clearly marked being > mandatory by the standard, let alone the usual optional commands most > drives do actually implement. Well, The only SCSI command problems I encountered were (1) doesn't implement "prevent media removal" which is optional (2) doesn't accept PF=0 in mode select, which is the old SCSI-1 vendor-specific mode. I have an HP T4000s and I can't unreservedly recommend it. Mine stopped working (continual shoe-shining after restoring a few hundred MB) and the HP technical support response was "we don't support it under unix". When I explained that it was clearly a hardware problem, they said it must be that my "unix files" were "corrupt". Eventually I talked to a supervisor who agreed to accept the drive for testing, and last week they phoned to say that yes it is faulty and they will send me a replacement. > > What is it about DAT or 8MM drives of similar capacity > > and read/write speed (on the spec sheet at least) that makes them > > cost about 50% more? > Ask the question the other way round: why are thos Travan tapes that > cheap if proven good mechanics still costs an arm and a leg? You answered that question yourself, Joerg! The Travan drives are much cheaper than helical scan drives because the mechanics are much simpler. I would guess the hard part is making them reliably read and write tracks less than 0.1 mm apart. BTW, the T4000s seems to have a "training table" stored in the firmware. Does anyone know exactly what this is? -- Richard From owner-freebsd-scsi Mon Sep 8 10:20:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA13328 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA13312 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id TAA07765 for freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 19:20:51 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id SAA17473; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:58:51 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970908185851.AC25832@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:58:51 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is this (SCSI) tape drive compatible with FreeBSD? References: <19970908074725.OZ12393@uriah.heep.sax.de> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: ; from John Fieber on Sep 8, 1997 07:05:31 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As John Fieber wrote: > > Btw., you might add this drive to the hw.sgml file in the FreeBSD > > handbook then, it seems to be a good recommendation. > > On a closer investigation, it does appear to be listed... Hear, hear. :-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-scsi Mon Sep 8 13:41:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA02566 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA02552 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA04216; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 15:41:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 15:41:10 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Joerg Wunsch cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is this (SCSI) tape drive compatible with FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <19970908185851.AC25832@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, J Wunsch wrote: > As John Fieber wrote: > > > > Btw., you might add this drive to the hw.sgml file in the FreeBSD > > > handbook then, it seems to be a good recommendation. > > > > On a closer investigation, it does appear to be listed... > > Hear, hear. :-) I think the entry should be edited to qualify what versions of FreeBSD the indicated patch is relevant for. The relevant code has been changed, at least as of RELENG-2.2, but has it been fixed? -john From owner-freebsd-scsi Tue Sep 9 05:59:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA06867 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 05:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inr.net.kiae.su (inr.net.kiae.su [144.206.131.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA06857 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 05:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ers_3 by inr.net.kiae.su with SMTP id QAA16940; (8.8.5/vak/1.9) Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:56:40 +0400 (MSD) Received: by ers_3.net.kiae.su (dMail for Windows v1.2P, 23Jul96); Thu, 31 Jul 1997 15:55:50 +0400 To: scsi@freebsd.org Organization: RRC KI Reply-To: pavel@inr.net.kiae.su From: pavel@inr.net.kiae.su (Pavel A. Novikov) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 15:55:50 +0400 (MSD) X-Mailer: dMail [Demos Mail for Windows v1.2 Professional] Subject: AHA 2740 problem. Lines: 21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear sirs, I got a hard problem while trying to install FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE. I will be very thankfull if you give me some advice. Machine: IBM 486DX-50/AHA-2740 EISA-SCSI/32M RAM Problem description: While booting the installation floppy I always got the message ahc0: brkint Illegal Host Access at seqaddr 0x0 This message appeares on all machines of the same configuration. Driver bug? Note: While power up the computer it sais AHA 2740, but a piece of paper on the microchip sais that it is AHA 2742AT. Do not know if it is rather different. There were no problem with AHA 2940 PCI-SCSI. Thank you. Pavel A. Novikov From owner-freebsd-scsi Tue Sep 9 06:46:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA09461 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 06:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (root@mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA09453 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 06:46:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA11056; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:45:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709091345.HAA11056@pluto.plutotech.com> To: pavel@inr.net.kiae.su cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AHA 2740 problem. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 31 Jul 1997 15:55:50 +0400." Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 07:42:25 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Dear sirs, >I got a hard problem while trying to install FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE. >I will be very thankfull if you give me some advice. > >Machine: >IBM 486DX-50/AHA-2740 EISA-SCSI/32M RAM >Problem description: >While booting the installation floppy I always got the message >ahc0: brkint Illegal Host Access at seqaddr 0x0 >This message appeares on all machines of the same configuration. >Driver bug? > >Note: While power up the computer it sais AHA 2740, but a piece >of paper on the microchip sais that it is AHA 2742AT. Do not know >if it is rather different. > >There were no problem with AHA 2940 PCI-SCSI. > >Thank you. >Pavel A. Novikov Boot the kernel into userconfig (use the '-c' boot flag) and disable the uha0 device. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-scsi Tue Sep 9 13:44:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA04401 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA04387; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA25246; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 22:21:38 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id VAA00509; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 21:58:50 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970909215850.BD40675@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 21:58:50 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: pavel@inr.net.kiae.su, pds@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AHA 2740 problem. References: X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: ; from Pavel A. Novikov on Jul 31, 1997 15:55:50 +0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Pavel A. Novikov wrote: > IBM 486DX-50/AHA-2740 EISA-SCSI/32M RAM > Problem description: > While booting the installation floppy I always got the message > ahc0: brkint Illegal Host Access at seqaddr 0x0 This is becoming a FAQ. Cc to the FAQ maintainer thus. > This message appeares on all machines of the same configuration. > Driver bug? Go all your way through UserConfig, and disable the drivers you don't need. It is known to work afterwards. I'm not sure which driver is causing the problem, i think it's the `bt' driver. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Sep 10 01:20:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA16182 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 01:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from povray.cdrom.com (root@povray.cdrom.com [204.216.27.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA16177 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 01:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cons.org (knight.cons.org [194.233.237.86]) by povray.cdrom.com (8.8.6/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA14775 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 01:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by cons.org (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA22887; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:20:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:20:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199709100820.KAA22887@cons.org> From: Martin Cracauer To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: No success burning audio CD Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Moin, I tried burning an audio CD with the following command set: vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv scsi -f /dev/rworm0.ctl -c "0 0 0 0 0 0" >/dev/null 2>&1 || exit 2 wormcontrol select PLASMON RF4100 || exit 2 wormcontrol prepdisk single || exit 2 for file in $* ; do wormcontrol track audio || exit 2 rtprio 5 team -v 1m 5 < $file | rtprio 5 dd of=/dev/rworm0 obs=20k \ || exit 2 done wormcontrol fixate 0 onp || exit 1 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You guessed it, it didn't work :-) The controlling terminal receives just: dd: /dev/rworm0: Input/output error /var/log/messages tells: Sep 10 07:57:11 oskar /kernel: Sending SDTR!! Sep 10 07:57:11 oskar /kernel: worm0(ahc0:4:0): Deferred Error: UNIT ATTENTION asc:28,0 Sep 10 07:57:11 oskar /kernel: worm0(ahc0:4:0): Not ready to ready transition, medium may have changed Sep 10 07:57:12 oskar /kernel: worm0(ahc0:4:0): ABORTED COMMAND asc:ad,0 Vendor Specific ASC `dmesg`: (ahc0:4:0): Deferred Error: UNIT ATTENTION asc:29,0 (ahc0:4:0): Power on, reset, or bus device reset occurred (ahc0:4:0): "PLASMON RF4100 1.26" type 4 removable SCSI 2 worm0(ahc0:4:0): Write-Once Which is normal for this burner, it does data CD without problems. Is there anything I can do about it? More interesting, is this a FreeBSD problem or could it be fixed by using some other brand of burner? Anyone sucessfully burned an audio CD, if so, on which burner? Thanks for any help Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (batched, preferred for large mails) Tel.: (daytime) +4940 41478712 Fax.: (daytime) +4940 41478715 Tel.: (private) +4940 5221829 Fax.: (private) +4940 5228536 Paper: (private) Waldstrasse 200, 22846 Norderstedt, Germany From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Sep 11 04:12:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA14890 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 04:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw.teledigit.se ([193.14.252.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA14870; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 04:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by gw.teledigit.se (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA17750; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:58:46 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199709111058.MAA17750@gw.teledigit.se> X-Authentication-Warning: gw.teledigit.se: smap set sender to using -f Received: from unknown(192.168.16.22) by gw.teledigit.se via smap (V1.3) id sma017748; Thu Sep 11 12:58:41 1997 Received: by mal-cr.teledigit.se (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA15318; Thu, 11 Sep 97 13:19:51 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Robert Lindgren Date: Thu, 11 Sep 97 13:19:48 +0200 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Which Ultra-Wide SCSI is the best? Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk My questions is : Which ultra-wide-scsi harddisk works best with FreeBSD. I have a dual Pentium-Pro 200 with Scsi-3 and would like to have the a list of suggestions of the best disk with sizes between 4 and 10 Gigabyte. Please answer my today! Thankx Robert From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Sep 11 04:47:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA16153 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 04:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 207.155.78.240 (TUCOWS.WEB4ALL.NET [207.155.78.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA16146; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 04:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ralph.web4all.n (ppp-206-170-217-243.nhwd02.pacbell.net [206.170.217.243]) by 207.155.78.240 (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA20880; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 04:47:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970911044358.00cc9de4@web4all.net> X-Sender: hostmaster@web4all.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 04:43:58 -0700 To: Robert Lindgren , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: Hostmaster Subject: Re: Which Ultra-Wide SCSI is the best? Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199709111058.MAA17750@gw.teledigit.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk we use Quantum on multi processor P-200's , works GREAT... At 01:19 PM 9/11/97 +0200, Robert Lindgren wrote: >My questions is : > >Which ultra-wide-scsi harddisk works best with FreeBSD. >I have a dual Pentium-Pro 200 with Scsi-3 and would like >to have the a list of suggestions of the best disk with sizes >between 4 and 10 Gigabyte. > >Please answer my today! > >Thankx Robert > > >
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From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Sep 11 06:54:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA21878 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.kcwc.com (h1.kcwc.com [206.139.252.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA21870; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.kcwc.com (NX5.67c/NeXT-2.0-KCWC-1.0) id AA08182; Thu, 11 Sep 97 09:51:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 97 09:51:29 -0400 From: curt@kcwc.com (Curt Welch) Message-Id: <9709111351.AA08182@mail.kcwc.com> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) To: Robert Lindgren Subject: Re: Which Ultra-Wide SCSI is the best? Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Which ultra-wide-scsi harddisk works best with FreeBSD. > I have a dual Pentium-Pro 200 with Scsi-3 and would like > to have the a list of suggestions of the best disk with > sizes between 4 and 10 Gigabyte. I have 8 Quantum Viking 4G drives on both DPT and Adaptec controllers and haven't had any problems. Though I've seen lots of people talk about the problems they've had with Quantum drives in the past -- so much so that multiple people have said they would never buy Quantum drives again. The problems seem to have been with the Atlas drives, but I have some of these as well and haven't had any problems. The Atlas are fast/wide not ultra-wide. The Viking drives are smaller (LP) and they are quiet and cool compared to the Atlas drives. The Atlas drives get real hot so they need better air flow to keep them cool. I've also heard people say the Fireball's had real problems - but those are the slower ATA drives designed more for PC desktop use. Segate drives seem to be the most popular in general but I haven't had any experience with them recently. They too are known for running hot. Make sure they are well ventilated. I've not seen a Segate 4G drive for under $800 but I was able to get the Viking drives for something like $645 at www.isn.com. Curt From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Sep 11 10:08:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA03815 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA03808; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA19444; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:04:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199709111704.KAA19444@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Which Ultra-Wide SCSI is the best? In-Reply-To: <199709111058.MAA17750@gw.teledigit.se> from Robert Lindgren at "Sep 11, 97 01:19:48 pm" To: robert@teledigit.se (Robert Lindgren) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > My questions is : > > Which ultra-wide-scsi harddisk works best with FreeBSD. > I have a dual Pentium-Pro 200 with Scsi-3 and would like > to have the a list of suggestions of the best disk with sizes > between 4 and 10 Gigabyte. We (AAI) strongly recommend the Quantum Atlas II series of drives, QM34550AL-S or -SW and QM31900AL-S or -SW (the -S or -SW depends on if you need narrow or wide scsi, and you didn't mention what controller you had :-(). > Please answer my today! > Thankx Robert -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Sep 11 10:34:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA05183 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.210.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA05159; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x9D3h-00013K-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:29:37 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:29:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Curt Welch cc: Robert Lindgren , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Which Ultra-Wide SCSI is the best? In-Reply-To: <9709111351.AA08182@mail.kcwc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Curt Welch wrote: > > Which ultra-wide-scsi harddisk works best with FreeBSD. > > I have a dual Pentium-Pro 200 with Scsi-3 and would like > > to have the a list of suggestions of the best disk with > > sizes between 4 and 10 Gigabyte. > > I have 8 Quantum Viking 4G drives on both DPT and Adaptec controllers > and haven't had any problems. Though I've seen lots of people talk > about the problems they've had with Quantum drives in the past -- so > much so that multiple people have said they would never buy Quantum > drives again. The problems seem to have been with the Atlas drives, > but I have some of these as well and haven't had any problems. The > Atlas are fast/wide not ultra-wide. The Viking drives are smaller (LP) > and they are quiet and cool compared to the Atlas drives. The Atlas > drives get real hot so they need better air flow to keep them cool. There are three different Atlas drives: Atlas I, Atlas II, and Atlas III. I know that the Atlas III (all that is available these days, as Atlas I & II have been discontinued) are available in wide variety of media types, including ultra-wide. The worse Quantum drive is probably the Grand Prix, which is no longer made. > I've also heard people say the Fireball's had real problems > - but those are the slower ATA drives designed more for PC > desktop use. The Fireball is available in IDE and SCSI. It is cheap drive, and you get what you pay for. > Segate drives seem to be the most popular in general but I haven't > had any experience with them recently. They too are known for running > hot. Make sure they are well ventilated. Look at the power consumption of the particular line you are looking at. My favourite is the Seagate Barracuda 4XL. Heat disapation is lower than many old 5400rpm drives I have. > I've not seen a Segate 4G drive for under $800 but I was able > to get the Viking drives for something like $645 at www.isn.com. > > Curt Tom From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Sep 11 10:48:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA05977 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA05963; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Jupiter.Mcs.Net (karl@Jupiter.mcs.net [192.160.127.88]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id MAA19737; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:47:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Jupiter.Mcs.Net (8.8.7/8.8.2) id MAA28710; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:47:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19970911124744.32245@Jupiter.Mcs.Net> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:47:44 -0500 From: Karl Denninger To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Robert Lindgren , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which Ultra-Wide SCSI is the best? References: <199709111058.MAA17750@gw.teledigit.se> <199709111704.KAA19444@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.64 In-Reply-To: <199709111704.KAA19444@GndRsh.aac.dev.com>; from Rodney W. Grimes on Thu, Sep 11, 1997 at 10:04:15AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, Sep 11, 1997 at 10:04:15AM -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > My questions is : > > > > Which ultra-wide-scsi harddisk works best with FreeBSD. > > I have a dual Pentium-Pro 200 with Scsi-3 and would like > > to have the a list of suggestions of the best disk with sizes > > between 4 and 10 Gigabyte. > > We (AAI) strongly recommend the Quantum Atlas II series of drives, > QM34550AL-S or -SW and QM31900AL-S or -SW (the -S or -SW depends > on if you need narrow or wide scsi, and you didn't mention what > controller you had :-(). Seconded. Those disks with the Adaptec UW controllers really scream, and they're reliable. We have been purchasing those pretty much as the only disk we use around here now for about the last year. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/~karl | T1's from $600 monthly to FULL DS-3 Service | NEW! K56Flex modem support is now available Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| 56kbps DIGITAL ISDN DOV on analog lines! Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | 2 FULL DS-3 Internet links; 400Mbps B/W Internal From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Sep 11 11:33:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA08397 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [195.1.171.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA08376 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:33:14 -0700 (PDT) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 1330 invoked by uid 1001); 11 Sep 1997 18:33:08 +0000 (GMT) To: tom@sdf.com Cc: curt@kcwc.com, robert@teledigit.se, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which Ultra-Wide SCSI is the best? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:29:36 -0700 (PDT)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.28.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:33:08 +0200 Message-ID: <1328.874002788@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Look at the power consumption of the particular line you are looking at. > My favourite is the Seagate Barracuda 4XL. Heat disapation is lower than > many old 5400rpm drives I have. ... but there are better *new* 5400 RPM drives, for instance the 4 GB IBM DCAS-34330: Barracuda 4XL Idle power 8.8 watts DCAS-34330 Idle power 4.05 watts The DORS-32160 and the DCAS-34330 models have worked very well for us. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Sep 11 14:52:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA23856 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from goose.doun.org (doun.org [142.154.6.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA23849 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from josh@localhost) by goose.doun.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA18307; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:52:35 GMT Message-ID: <19970911175235.25779@doun.org> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:52:35 +0000 From: Josh Tiefenbach To: scsi@freebsd.org Cc: josh@doun.org Subject: Problem w/ncr810 and micropolis 4gig drive. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've been getting an odd message from my sc-200/micropolis disk combo. (Sorry, no dmesg output. Its a new install, and I havent had the time to get networking up yet. More details avail on request) The upshot of the message is (occurs after drive is detected and probed): M_DISCONNECT recieved but datapointer not saved data = 9fa4, save = 2bdd70, goal = 2bdd94. In addition, drive performance seems particularily slow. Ie: a dd reports ~250k transfer rate from the drive, and interactive disk stuff seems sluggish. Under Win95, on the other hand, the drive seems speedy enough, and Norton thinks its a pretty fast drive. I grepped the archives, and saw a post by Joe Greco back in Dec 96 (http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/search.cgi?words=micropolis+disconnect&max=300&source=freebsd-scsi&docnum=1) who had very similar error messages as I did, but I didnt see any responses to that post. System: P5-200MMX, Asus TXP4 MB, 64 Mb RAM, Asus SC-200, FreeBSD 2.2.2R (June/July 1997 CD) josh -- "I am a yapping dog with mean little teeth. I am as often as wrong as you, as often as co-opted as you, as often sophomoric as you. But I maintain. As do you." -- Harlan Ellison From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Sep 11 18:09:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA15096 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (hokkshideh.jetcafe.org [207.155.21.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA15091; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA16113; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:13:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709120113.SAA16113@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0delta 6/3/97 To: Tom Cc: Curt Welch , Robert Lindgren , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which Ultra-Wide SCSI is the best? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:13:03 -0700 From: Dave Hayes Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tom writes: > The worse Quantum drive is probably the Grand Prix, which is no > longer made. I'll vouch for that. I bought two (because they were really cheap) and one runs so hot it has it's own fan. :-( ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet You possess only what will not be lost in a shipwreck. From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Sep 12 10:21:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA20038 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA20026 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id TAA08040; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:21:02 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id TAA15904; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:02:00 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19970912190200.FU55987@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:02:00 +0200 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: cracauer@cons.org (Martin Cracauer) Subject: Re: No success burning audio CD References: <199709100820.KAA22887@cons.org> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.60_p2-3,5,8-9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199709100820.KAA22887@cons.org>; from Martin Cracauer on Sep 10, 1997 10:20:41 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Martin Cracauer wrote: > Sep 10 07:57:12 oskar /kernel: worm0(ahc0:4:0): ABORTED COMMAND > asc:ad,0 Vendor Specific ASC I gotta look into the manual for this. It might be data underrun. Drop me a mail to joerg_wunsch@interface-business.de, or call me at the (work) phone next week. > Which is normal for this burner, it does data CD without problems. I've already written an audio track with the Plasmon once as well. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Sep 13 08:27:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA09317 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 08:27:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA09310 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 08:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hall.ifi.uio.no (2602@hall.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.11]) by ifi.uio.no with ESMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) id for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:27:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from localhost (dag-erli@localhost) by hall.ifi.uio.no ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:27:19 GMT To: scsi@freebsd.org Subject: XP34550S / AHA2940UW refuses wide negotiation Organization: Not unless it can't be avoided. X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 13 Sep 1997 17:27:15 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I recently upgraded my Adaptec 2940 to a 2940UW to take full advantage of my Quantum Atlas II. However, it seems that both the adapter and the disk are refusing wide negotiation. I am using both internal connectors on the SCSI adapter, with the Atlas on the wide bus and a Conner 1080S and a Toshiba 3801 on the narrow bus. "Enable wide negotiation" is set to "Yes" (default) for all devices in the 2940UW BIOS setup. Relevant information from dmesg follows: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE #0: Sun Aug 10 17:01:55 CEST 1997 [...] ahc0 rev 0 int a irq 9 on pci0:10 ahc0: aic7880 Wide Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16 SCBs ahc0:A:0: refuses WIDE negotiation. Using 8bit transfers (ahc0:0:0): "CONNER CFP1080S 4649" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 1030MB (2110812 512 byte sectors) (ahc0:2:0): "QUANTUM XP34550W LXY1" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd1(ahc0:2:0): Direct-Access 4341MB (8890760 512 byte sectors) ahc0:A:5: refuses WIDE negotiation. Using 8bit transfers (ahc0:5:0): "TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-3801TA 1047" type 5 removable SCSI 2 cd0(ahc0:5:0): CD-ROM can't get the size Is this problem caused by the disk, the adapter or the software? Will upgrading to 2.2.2-RELEASE fix it? Is it caused by using narrow and wide devices on the same adapter? Why is the Atlas II reported as a SCSI 2 device rather than SCSI 3? -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Sep 13 11:03:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA17390 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.kcwc.com (h1.kcwc.com [206.139.252.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA17381 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.kcwc.com (NX5.67c/NeXT-2.0-KCWC-1.0) id AA10508; Sat, 13 Sep 97 14:03:39 -0400 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 97 14:03:39 -0400 From: curt@kcwc.com (Curt Welch) Message-Id: <9709131803.AA10508@mail.kcwc.com> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smxrgrav) Subject: Re: XP34550S / AHA2940UW refuses wide negotiation Cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smxrgrav) wrote: > I recently upgraded my Adaptec 2940 to a 2940UW to take full advantage > of my Quantum Atlas II. However, it seems that both the adapter and > the disk are refusing wide negotiation. > I am using both internal connectors on the SCSI adapter, > with the Atlas on the wide bus and a Conner 1080S and a > Toshiba 3801 on the narrow bus. "Enable wide negotiation" > is set to "Yes" (default) for all devices in the 2940UW > BIOS setup. Relevant information from dmesg follows: > FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE #0: Sun Aug 10 17:01:55 CEST 1997 > [...] > ahc0 rev 0 int a irq 9 on pci0:10 > ahc0: aic7880 Wide Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16 SCBs > ahc0:A:0: refuses WIDE negotiation. Using 8bit transfers > (ahc0:0:0): "CONNER CFP1080S 4649" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 > sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 1030MB (2110812 512 byte sectors) > (ahc0:2:0): "QUANTUM XP34550W LXY1" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 > sd1(ahc0:2:0): Direct-Access 4341MB (8890760 512 byte sectors) > ahc0:A:5: refuses WIDE negotiation. Using 8bit transfers > (ahc0:5:0): "TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-3801TA 1047" type 5 removable SCSI 2 > cd0(ahc0:5:0): CD-ROM can't get the size It looks to me like the Quantum is working fine. It's the Conner and the CD-ROM that are refusing WIDE negotation. I think you just got confused by the order in which the messages come out. Note the device numbers. > Is it caused by using narrow and wide devices on the same adapter? No, that works fine. I do it also. > Why is the Atlas II reported as a SCSI 2 device rather than SCSI 3? Don't know but that's how it works. I think wide and maybe even ultra speed devices are part of the SCSI 2 spec. People have just come to call wide SCSI-3 even though it isn't. Don't know if the dirve is SCSI-3 or not. Maybe some of the SCSI experts on this list can give us a lesson. Curt From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Sep 13 11:30:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA19246 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA19236 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:30:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hall.ifi.uio.no (2602@hall.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.11]) by ifi.uio.no with ESMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) id ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:30:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from localhost (dag-erli@localhost) by hall.ifi.uio.no ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:30:40 GMT To: curt@kcwc.com (Curt Welch) cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XP34550S / AHA2940UW refuses wide negotiation References: <9709131803.AA10508@mail.kcwc.com> Organization: Not unless it can't be avoided. X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 13 Sep 1997 20:30:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: curt@kcwc.com's message of Sat, 13 Sep 97 14:03:39 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 44 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk curt@kcwc.com (Curt Welch) writes: > dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smxrgrav) wrote: > > I recently upgraded my Adaptec 2940 to a 2940UW to take full advantage > > of my Quantum Atlas II. However, it seems that both the adapter and > > the disk are refusing wide negotiation. > > [deletia] > > FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE #0: Sun Aug 10 17:01:55 CEST 1997 > > [...] > > ahc0 rev 0 int a irq 9 on > pci0:10 > > ahc0: aic7880 Wide Channel, SCSI Id=7, 16 SCBs > > > ahc0:A:0: refuses WIDE negotiation. Using 8bit transfers > > (ahc0:0:0): "CONNER CFP1080S 4649" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 > > sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 1030MB (2110812 512 byte sectors) > [deletia] > > It looks to me like the Quantum is working fine. It's the Conner > and the CD-ROM that are refusing WIDE negotation. I think you just > got confused by the order in which the messages come out. Note > the device numbers. Dang! (apply #'powerful-lart '(dag-erli :reason "check twice before posting")) > > Why is the Atlas II reported as a SCSI 2 device rather than SCSI 3? > > Don't know but that's how it works. I think wide and maybe even ultra > speed devices are part of the SCSI 2 spec. People have just come to > call wide SCSI-3 even though it isn't. Don't know if the dirve > is SCSI-3 or not. Maybe some of the SCSI experts on this list can > give us a lesson. According to the data sheet, it is SCSI-3. I think it must be more than just the wide bus, as both Quantum's Atlas II and Seagate's Barracuda LP exist in narrow versions, but are still called SCSI 3. Maybe some SCSI expert can tell us if there are differences in the SCSI 3 command set? -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Sep 13 15:49:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA04185 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sendero-ppp.i-connect.net (sendero-ppp.i-Connect.Net [206.190.143.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA04175 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16544 invoked by uid 1000); 13 Sep 1997 22:49:42 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Atlas Telecom From: Simon Shapiro To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Patches on senderp-ppp.i-connect.net Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Y'all, This is just a bit of formality and a reminder: Any progamming logic (source, object, executable, etc.) that you may find on the computer known as sendero-ppp.i-connect.net (206.190.143.100), which does not clearly display a Copyright notice authorizing free distribution is proprietary, unpublished source code of Simon Shapiro, Atlas Telecom or both. In the interest of cooperation and enhancement of testing and validation, Simon shapiro, and/or Atlas Telecom, may from time to time, at their own discretion, release such sources to the public under restictions known as the ``Berkeley Copyright'', and/or the ``GNU Software License''. Please refrain from downloading software from this site, unles authorized by Simon Shapiro. The above has been triggered by a concern that incomplete, unreviewed and untested software may get distributed, causing confsion, liability exposure and just plain headaches. It is our intent to make the software as available as possible. --- Sincerely Yours, (Sent on 13-Sep-97, 15:40:12 by XF-Mail) Simon Shapiro Atlas Telecom Senior Architect 14355 SW Allen Blvd., Suite 130 Beaverton OR 97005 Shimon@i-Connect.Net Voice: 503.643.5559, Emergency: 503.799.2313 From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Sep 13 18:38:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA11273 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA11266; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id SAA00731; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:37:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199709140137.SAA00731@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Patches on senderp-ppp.i-connect.net In-Reply-To: from Simon Shapiro at "Sep 13, 97 03:49:42 pm" To: Shimon@i-Connect.Net (Simon Shapiro) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi Y'all, > > This is just a bit of formality and a reminder: > > Any progamming logic (source, object, executable, etc.) that you may find > on the computer known as sendero-ppp.i-connect.net (206.190.143.100), which > does not clearly display a Copyright notice authorizing free distribution > is proprietary, unpublished source code of Simon Shapiro, Atlas Telecom or > both. I love the work you are doing, but the above statement is not correct. a) It is not ``proprietary'' unless you take legal and proper actions to keep it as such. In most cases you have done just the opposite, you've given pointers to it in a public forum. b) The action of making it avaliable to anyone other than yourself is `publication'', thierfor the code is not ``unpublished''. c) Your ftp server welcome message desen't even head any warnings what so ever. In all hounesty I am simply amazed that the legal department of Atlas Telecom has approved these actions. I applaud them if they have. > In the interest of cooperation and enhancement of testing and validation, > Simon shapiro, and/or Atlas Telecom, may from time to time, at their own > discretion, release such sources to the public under restictions known as > the ``Berkeley Copyright'', and/or the ``GNU Software License''. > > Please refrain from downloading software from this site, unles authorized > by Simon Shapiro. Please require a password to access it then, your asking for legal problems if you don't make a demonstaitable attempt to protect yourself. Heck, even the XFree86 folks require a password to get to Alpha/Beta code and they are a 501(c)3 that is required by thier articles of incorporation (and hence law) to release there work to the public. > > The above has been triggered by a concern that incomplete, unreviewed and > untested software may get distributed, causing confsion, liability exposure > and just plain headaches. And this mail message is going to stop any of that???? -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Sep 13 19:20:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA13513 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 19:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sendero-ppp.i-connect.net (sendero-ppp.i-Connect.Net [206.190.143.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA13491 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 19:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 16533 invoked by uid 1000); 14 Sep 1997 02:20:49 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199709140137.SAA00731@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 19:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Atlas Telecom From: Simon Shapiro To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Subject: Re: Patches on senderp-ppp.i-connect.net Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi "Rodney W. Grimes"; On 14-Sep-97 you wrote: ... Some excellent advise delete ... > And this mail message is going to stop any of that???? Nope. We would like the code to stay available as much as we can, while releasing us from much of the hassle. The steps you are indicating are being implemented, one at a time. I personally would like to see as few as possible, but many forces demands that I take some. --- Sincerely Yours, (Sent on 13-Sep-97, 19:17:05 by XF-Mail) Simon Shapiro Atlas Telecom Senior Architect 14355 SW Allen Blvd., Suite 130 Beaverton OR 97005 Shimon@i-Connect.Net Voice: 503.643.5559, Emergency: 503.799.2313 From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Sep 13 20:09:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA16356 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA16329; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA18024; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970913200905.31425@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:09:05 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Simon Shapiro , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Patches on senderp-ppp.i-connect.net References: <199709140137.SAA00731@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199709140137.SAA00731@GndRsh.aac.dev.com>; from Rodney W. Grimes on Sat, Sep 13, 1997 at 06:37:58PM -0700 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rodney W. Grimes scribbled this message on Sep 13: > > Hi Y'all, > > > > This is just a bit of formality and a reminder: > > > > Any progamming logic (source, object, executable, etc.) that you may find > > on the computer known as sendero-ppp.i-connect.net (206.190.143.100), which > > does not clearly display a Copyright notice authorizing free distribution > > is proprietary, unpublished source code of Simon Shapiro, Atlas Telecom or > > both. > > I love the work you are doing, but the above statement is not correct. > > a) It is not ``proprietary'' unless you take legal and proper actions > to keep it as such. In most cases you have done just the opposite, > you've given pointers to it in a public forum. > > b) The action of making it avaliable to anyone other than yourself > is `publication'', thierfor the code is not ``unpublished''. if this is true.. and that simply letting people download load it means that the copyright is invalid (i.e. it's publicly avail), then why do we worry about GPL'd code?? it's publicly avail.. but we still have to adhear to the copyright attached... so why does this apply to his code? it also only in theory that published material is free... but case law has proven otherwise.. this is the basis for all intellectual property law... > c) Your ftp server welcome message desen't even head any warnings > what so ever. well. that has been fixed... :) -- John-Mark Gurney Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Cu Networking Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Sep 13 20:47:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA18046 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:47:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sendero-ppp.i-connect.net (sendero-ppp.i-Connect.Net [206.190.143.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA18032 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18011 invoked by uid 1000); 14 Sep 1997 03:47:52 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19970913200905.31425@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Atlas Telecom From: Simon Shapiro To: John-Mark Gurney Subject: Re: Patches on senderp-ppp.i-connect.net Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, "Rodney W. Grimes" Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi John-Mark Gurney; On 14-Sep-97 you wrote: ... > > a) It is not ``proprietary'' unless you take legal and proper actions > > to keep it as such. In most cases you have done just the opposite, > > you've given pointers to it in a public forum. > > > > b) The action of making it avaliable to anyone other than yourself > > is `publication'', thierfor the code is not ``unpublished''. > > if this is true.. and that simply letting people download load it means > that the copyright is invalid (i.e. it's publicly avail), then why do we > worry about GPL'd code?? it's publicly avail.. but we still have to > adhear > to the copyright attached... so why does this apply to his code? > > it also only in theory that published material is free... but case law > has proven otherwise.. this is the basis for all intellectual property > law... It is my limited understanding (our liers are vague about it) is that the fact that a song is broadcast on the radio, a movie in the theater and a book available in the library do not reduce, nor void the original author's copyright. What I am told about proprietary is that it goes with ``.. and unpublished''. This expression makes the work private and if you cannot prove you had permission to have a copy, makes your copy illegally obtained, making it easier for the lawyers to win that huge lawsuit against you. The fact that the ftp login does not require a password and thus makes it OK to freely copy, is akin to the shoplifter claiming innocence as the door was open, the merchandise was freely on the table and the survailence camera off. BTW, the original intent of my posting was to make it clear that we do not want to be responsible for your trying untested code, and that you do not run off with some (or all) of this code, claiming it to be free. Some of it is (DPT), some of it may be, but not yet. Some of it will probably never be ``free''. If you are not sure, ask me. ... --- Sincerely Yours, (Sent on 13-Sep-97, 20:38:30 by XF-Mail) Simon Shapiro Atlas Telecom Senior Architect 14355 SW Allen Blvd., Suite 130 Beaverton OR 97005 Shimon@i-Connect.Net Voice: 503.643.5559, Emergency: 503.799.2313 From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Sep 13 23:46:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA25427 for freebsd-scsi-outgoing; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 23:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA25404; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 23:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id XAA01160; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 23:46:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199709140646.XAA01160@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Patches on senderp-ppp.i-connect.net In-Reply-To: from Simon Shapiro at "Sep 13, 97 07:20:49 pm" To: Shimon@i-Connect.Net (Simon Shapiro) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 23:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hi "Rodney W. Grimes"; On 14-Sep-97 you wrote: > > ... Some excellent advise delete ... > > > And this mail message is going to stop any of that???? > > Nope. We would like the code to stay available as much as we can, while > releasing us from much of the hassle. The steps you are indicating are > being implemented, one at a time. I personally would like to see as few as > possible, but many forces demands that I take some. If I can be of assistance in implementing these steps, ie a virtual ftp server running group passwords with a domain name of something like dpt.aac.dev.com and proper pre and post login banner messages it is not much of a hassle to create and host. Given the nature of what it is hosting there would be no cost to you for its. I could even handle email for it, if you wish a mailling list. It would take me about 5 business days to work it into my schedule and have it up and running on a T-1 connected hosting server within ASN-AAI. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD