From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Mar 2 20:19:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA27414 for smp-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 20:19:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA27396 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 20:19:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from bonsai.hiwaay.net by fly.HiWAAY.net; (8.8.4/1.1.8.2/21Sep95-1003PM) id WAA19720; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:19:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <331A0A95.41C67EA6@hiwaay.net> Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 17:17:41 -0600 From: Steve Price X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-smp@freefall.freebsd.org CC: sprice@hiwaay.net Subject: Problems with Dual PPRO 180 SuperMicro P6DNE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I just got my new computer at work and have been trying to get a SMP kernel running on it and am having no luck. I have tried using a kernel (and associated userland cruft) from -current as of today, -current just before the Lite2 merge and RELENG_2_2. Without APIC_IO and SMP_INVLTLB, everything seems to go good until I 'sysctl -w kern.smp_active=2'. From here simple things like ls(1) and more(1) work, but make(1) and cvs(1) crash and drop into the debugger. With APIC_IO and SMP_INVLTLB, everything comes up but nothing displays on the screen after the 'SMP: All idle procs online.' message. I cooked up the following script to test if it was really alive. root[~]# cat > get-info #!/bin/sh /home/steve/misc/mptable -verbose -dmesg > mptable.out uname -a > uname.out root[~]# I logged in as root and blindly typed ./get-info and here's what I get after I reboot with a different kernel so that I can see the output. root[~]# cat mptable.out =============================================================================== MPTable, version 2.0.6 looking for EBDA pointer @ 0x040e, found, searching EBDA @ 0x0009fc00 searching CMOS 'top of mem' @ 0x0009f800 (638K) searching default 'top of mem' @ 0x0009fc00 (639K) searching BIOS @ 0x000f0000 MP FPS found in BIOS @ physical addr: 0x000fb070 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MP Floating Pointer Structure: location: BIOS physical address: 0x000fb070 signature: '_MP_' length: 16 bytes version: 1.1 checksum: 0x11 mode: Virtual Wire ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MP Config Table Header: physical address: 0x000f5330 signature: 'PCMP' base table length: 268 version: 1.1 checksum: 0x47 OEM ID: 'INTEL ' Product ID: '440FX ' OEM table pointer: 0x00000000 OEM table size: 0 entry count: 25 local APIC address: 0xfee00000 extended table length: 0 extended table checksum: 0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MP Config Base Table Entries: -- Processors: APIC ID Version State Family Model Step Flags 1 0x11 BSP, usable 6 1 7 0xfbff 0 0x11 AP, usable 6 1 7 0xfbff -- Bus: Bus ID Type 0 PCI 1 ISA -- I/O APICs: APIC ID Version State Address 2 0x11 usable 0xfec00000 -- I/O Ints: Type Polarity Trigger Bus ID IRQ APIC ID INT# ExtINT conforms conforms 1 0 2 0 INT conforms conforms 1 1 2 1 INT conforms conforms 1 0 2 2 INT conforms conforms 1 3 2 3 INT conforms conforms 1 4 2 4 INT conforms conforms 1 5 2 5 INT conforms conforms 1 6 2 6 INT conforms conforms 1 7 2 7 INT active-hi edge 1 8 2 8 INT conforms conforms 1 9 2 9 INT conforms conforms 1 10 2 10 INT conforms conforms 1 11 2 11 INT conforms conforms 1 12 2 12 INT conforms conforms 1 13 2 13 INT conforms conforms 1 14 2 14 INT conforms conforms 1 15 2 20 INT active-lo level 0 17:A 2 16 SMI conforms conforms 1 0 2 23 -- Local Ints: Type Polarity Trigger Bus ID IRQ APIC ID INT# ExtINT conforms conforms 0 0:A 255 0 NMI conforms conforms 0 0:A 255 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # SMP kernel config file options: options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O options NCPU=2 # number of CPUs options NBUS=2 # number of busses options NAPIC=1 # number of IO APICs options NINTR=24 # number of INTs options SMP_INVLTLB # #options SMP_PRIVPAGES # BROKEN, DO NOT use! #options SMP_AUTOSTART # BROKEN, DO NOT use! #options SERIAL_DEBUG # com port debug output ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- dmesg output: Copyright (c) 1992-1996 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.0-SMP #0: Sun Mar 2 13:10:17 CST 1997 steve@bonsai.hiwaay.net:/tmp/smp/sys/compile/SMPGENERIC FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 1, version: 0x00040011 cpu1 (AP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00040011 io0 (APIC): apic id: 2, version: 0x00170011 Calibrating clock(s) relative to mc146818A clock ... i8254 clock: 1193300 Hz CPU: Pentium Pro (686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x617 Stepping=7 Features=0xfbff,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV> real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) avail memory = 62578688 (61112K bytes) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0 rev 2 on pci0:0:0 chip1 rev 1 on pci0:7:0 chip2 rev 0 on pci0:7:1 vga0 rev 1 int a irq 16 on pci0:17:0 Freeing (NOT implimented) irq 11 for ISA cards. Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 72065B fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 3067MB (6281856 sectors), 6232 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wdc0: unit 1 (wd1): wd1: 3663MB (7502544 sectors), 7443 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 on isa wdc1: unit 0 (atapi): <685A/8.4D>, removable, dma, iordy wcd0: 1171Kb/sec, 120Kb cache, audio play, 255 volume levels, ejectable tray wcd0: no disc inside, unlocked npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface Enabled INTs: 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 14, 15, imen: 0x00ff3e21 SMP: All idle procs online. =============================================================================== root[~]# cat uname.out FreeBSD bonsai.hiwaay.net 3.0-SMP FreeBSD 3.0-SMP #0: Sun Mar 2 13:10:17 CST 1997 steve@bonsai.hiwaay.net:/tmp/smp/sys/compile/SMPGENERIC i386 root[~]# Anybody have any ideas what I might be doing wrong? Thanks, Steve From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Mar 2 21:52:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA01735 for smp-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:52:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA01722 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:52:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA23182; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 22:49:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199703030549.WAA23182@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: Steve Price cc: freebsd-smp@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with Dual PPRO 180 SuperMicro P6DNE In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 02 Mar 1997 17:17:41 CST." <331A0A95.41C67EA6@hiwaay.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 22:49:29 -0700 Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > I just got my new computer at work and have been trying > to get a SMP kernel running on it and am having no luck. > ... > Without APIC_IO and SMP_INVLTLB, everything seems to go > good until I 'sysctl -w kern.smp_active=2'. From here > simple things like ls(1) and more(1) work, but make(1) and > cvs(1) crash and drop into the debugger. with ide drives APIC_IO is mandatory for a stable system. --- > With APIC_IO and SMP_INVLTLB, everything comes up but nothing > displays on the screen after the 'SMP: All idle procs online.' > message. I cooked up the following script to test if it > was really alive. > > root[~]# cat > get-info > #!/bin/sh > > /home/steve/misc/mptable -verbose -dmesg > mptable.out > uname -a > uname.out > root[~]# > > I logged in as root and blindly typed ./get-info and here's > what I get after I reboot with a different kernel so that > I can see the output. > > root[~]# cat mptable.out > ... > version: 1.1 see if you can find a BIOS option to turn on version 1.4 --- if that doesn't help try this: in src/sys/i386/include/smptests.h you will find 2 defines commented out: ... * #define FAKE_8254_NC #define IRQ_LO_NC */ move these to outside the comment block (ie uncomment them), build an APIC_IO kernel and see if that works. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Mar 2 23:00:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA05921 for smp-outgoing; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 23:00:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA05916 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 23:00:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from bonsai.hiwaay.net by fly.HiWAAY.net; (8.8.4/1.1.8.2/21Sep95-1003PM) id AAA06598; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 00:59:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <331A8482.41C67EA6@hiwaay.net> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 01:57:54 -0600 From: Steve Price X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-SMP i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Passe CC: sprice@hiwaay.net, freebsd-smp@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with Dual PPRO 180 SuperMicro P6DNE References: <199703030549.WAA23182@clem.systemsix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Steve Passe wrote: > > Hi, > > with ide drives APIC_IO is mandatory for a stable system. > That's what I gathered from freebsd-smp@ in last few months. I just thought I would try and see what happened. :) > see if you can find a BIOS option to turn on version 1.4 > I couldn't find one. Maybe I can get a new version of the BIOS? Are there any known problems with this version? I see on the SMP page that another person has made this board work with version 1.4. > --- > if that doesn't help try this: > > in src/sys/i386/include/smptests.h you will find 2 defines commented out: > > ... > * > #define FAKE_8254_NC > #define IRQ_LO_NC > */ > > move these to outside the comment block (ie uncomment them), build an > APIC_IO kernel and see if that works. > A million smileys to Steve Passe! :) :) ... Yes, this works. When you get a minute or two can you explain to me the downside of making this change, if any? I don't want to seem like I'm looking a gift horse (or should that be super hacker :) in the mouth, but I would like to know nonetheless. Will this make things run slower? If so, how much? Anyway, add me to the list of happy campers. I am running the 'make world' stress test as I type this and everything is chugging right along. Are there any more tests that you would like for me to try? Thanks a zillion, Steve PS: I will be working on merging in the Lite2 stuff to my local smp-sys tree this week (along with a bunch of other things) if there's any interest. I am about five directories away from having src/sbin userland code up to Lite2, and when I get done with this I'm off to smp-sys land. :) > -- > Steve Passe | powered by > smp@csn.net | FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Mar 3 08:30:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA11347 for smp-outgoing; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 08:30:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA11340 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 08:30:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA26089; Mon, 3 Mar 1997 09:27:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199703031627.JAA26089@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: Steve Price cc: freebsd-smp@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems with Dual PPRO 180 SuperMicro P6DNE In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 03 Mar 1997 01:57:54 CST." <331A8482.41C67EA6@hiwaay.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:27:52 -0700 Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, >Yes, this works. When you get a minute or two can you explain to >me the downside of making this change, if any? I don't want to seem >like I'm looking a gift horse (or should that be super hacker :) in >the mouth, but I would like to know nonetheless. Will this make things >run slower? If so, how much? it is a slight hit on performance, how much I couldn't say. what is going on is that your 8254 clock output is NOT connected to the APIC so hard clock INTs were being lost. These changes program the APIC to get INTs from the 8259 PIC, which gets the 8254 clock INT. The APIC has to do an INT ACK cycle, etc. with the 8259 each tick. the disturbing part is that your motherboard's mptable is stating that this INT is attached to the APIC. If it correctly stated the fact that it wasn't the software could properly handle the situation (someday anyways, right now its not turned on). Further, other users report success with this board without needing these patches. How old is your board? Any chance of swapping it with another? I would suspect a hardware problem with this particular board (open trace, etc.) -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Mar 4 04:33:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA19913 for smp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 04:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from nyx.pr.mcs.net (nyx.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.81]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA19907 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 04:33:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from nyx.pr.mcs.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyx.pr.mcs.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id GAA01973 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 06:33:13 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199703041233.GAA01973@nyx.pr.mcs.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: vm_page_alloc(ZERO): missing pages.. again.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 06:33:12 -0600 From: Chris Csanady Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk For what its worth I recently got the following message last night.. "vm_page_alloc(ZERO): missing pages on cache queue: 1" If you recall, last time, it was suspected that swapping, and not invalidating the tlb was the cause. Well, I've recently been reduced to 16M for a while. :( The reason I'm curious about this is that this is with SMP_INVLTLB defined. I thought that even without the handshaking, the chances of having problems, was virtually nil. Is this code in the works, because it would be nice to know if this actually was the problem.. --Chris Csanady From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Mar 4 23:36:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA28681 for smp-outgoing; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:36:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com (caliban.mrtc.org [199.4.33.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA28655 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:35:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from langfod@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.8.4/8.8.3) id VAA17730 for smp@freebsd.org; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:40:08 -1000 (HST) Message-Id: <199703050740.VAA17730@caliban.dihelix.com> Subject: Re: RSA 56-bit key challenge In-Reply-To: from Thomas Arnold at "Mar 5, 97 02:19:03 am" To: tom@inna.net (Thomas Arnold) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:38:58 -1000 (HST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-smp.freebsd.org@caliban.dihelix.com From: "David Langford" X-blank-line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone been able to poke at one the of ALR boxes? the 6x6 ones look real cool... -David Langford langfod@dihelix.com >On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > >> Now a quad PPro equip with fast SDRAM will be something wild to watch 8) > >You have a motherboard in mind? I spent the last 2 hours combing the Web >and everything is Orion chipset based... > >American Megatrends board looks interesting... if only it was newer... > > +-----------------------------------------------+ > : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : > : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : > : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : > +-----------------------------------------------+ > > From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Mar 5 08:03:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA24664 for smp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:03:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from dn800e0.fingerhut.com (dn800e0-ext.fingerhut.com [204.221.45.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24641; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:03:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from dn800e0.fingerhut.com (root@localhost) by dn800e0.fingerhut.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10853; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:04:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from seag.fingerhut.com (GF007E0.SEAG.fingerhut.com [151.210.140.7]) by dn800e0.fingerhut.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10849; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:04:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from gf006e0.fingerhut.com. by seag.fingerhut.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA06579; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:03:05 -0600 Received: by gf006e0.fingerhut.com. (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA28215; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:03:02 -0600 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:03:02 -0600 Message-Id: <9703051603.AA28215@gf006e0.fingerhut.com.> From: Bruce Albrecht To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: P6 MB recommendations Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.68) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm planning to purchase a dual P6 system in the next 3 weeks, and I'm looking for opinions about various mothboards and/or systems. I'm only planning on buying one P6-200 CPU now, and a second one in about 6 months. I'm only planning on using SCSI peripherals, mainly because I intend to liberate a bunch of drives from my Amiga. I'm looking at: Micron Millenia Pro2 with an AH2940UW controller Custom Tyan Titan Pro ATX (Award BIOS), ASUS AS200 SCSI + either Tyan 875 or ASUS 875 UW controller, Matrox Millenium Custom ASUS P65UP5/CP6ND, ASUS AS200 + ASYS 875 controller, Matrox Millenium GigaByte 686DX, ASUS AS200 + ASYS 875 controller, Matrox Millenium I'm leaning towards the custom Tyan system, probably from RC Systems. If you've got one (or purchased from RC Systems), I'd like to hear from you. Should I stay away from the Tyan 875 controller, since they've discontinued it, or should that not really matter, since it's just another Symbios 875 chipset controller? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Mar 5 09:26:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28298 for smp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:26:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from tarpon.exis.net (stefan@tarpon.exis.net [205.252.72.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28290; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:26:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stefan@localhost) by tarpon.exis.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id MAA05407; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:29:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:29:37 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Molnar To: Bruce Albrecht cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: P6 MB recommendations In-Reply-To: <9703051603.AA28215@gf006e0.fingerhut.com.> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Custom Tyan Titan Pro ATX (Award BIOS), ASUS AS200 SCSI + either Tyan 875 or > ASUS 875 UW controller, Matrox Millenium > I'm leaning towards the custom Tyan system, probably from RC Systems. If > you've got one (or purchased from RC Systems), I'd like to hear from you. > Should I stay away from the Tyan 875 controller, since they've discontinued > it, or should that not really matter, since it's just another Symbios 875 > chipset controller? Thanks. The Tyan one we have rocks. But we are using 3 ultra wide buslogic controlers. I find that tyan w/ buslogic makes a very strong system. Stefan -------------------------------------------- Stefan Molnar Team Exis.Net stefan@exis.net Member EFF Slightly Silly Team OS/2 east-coast-ambassador@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU "She turned me into a Newt! A Newt? I got better." -Monty Python -------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Mar 5 11:06:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05304 for smp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:06:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from r74h25.res.gatech.edu (ken@r74h25.res.gatech.edu [128.61.74.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05287; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:06:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ken@localhost) by r74h25.res.gatech.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA23756; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:06:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199703051906.OAA23756@r74h25.res.gatech.edu> Subject: Re: P6 MB recommendations In-Reply-To: <9703051603.AA28215@gf006e0.fingerhut.com.> from Bruce Albrecht at "Mar 5, 97 10:03:02 am" To: Bruce.Albrecht@seag.fingerhut.com (Bruce Albrecht) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:06:03 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm planning to purchase a dual P6 system in the next 3 weeks, and I'm > looking for opinions about various mothboards and/or systems. I'm > only planning on buying one P6-200 CPU now, and a second one in about > 6 months. I'm only planning on using SCSI peripherals, mainly because > I intend to liberate a bunch of drives from my Amiga. > > I'm looking at: > > Micron Millenia Pro2 with an AH2940UW controller > > Custom Tyan Titan Pro ATX (Award BIOS), ASUS AS200 SCSI + either Tyan 875 or > ASUS 875 UW controller, Matrox Millenium > > Custom ASUS P65UP5/CP6ND, ASUS AS200 + ASYS 875 controller, Matrox Millenium > > GigaByte 686DX, ASUS AS200 + ASYS 875 controller, Matrox Millenium > > I'm leaning towards the custom Tyan system, probably from RC Systems. If > you've got one (or purchased from RC Systems), I'd like to hear from you. > Should I stay away from the Tyan 875 controller, since they've discontinued > it, or should that not really matter, since it's just another Symbios 875 > chipset controller? Thanks. I've been running the ASUS P/I-P65UP5 with the C-P6ND cpu card for a couple of months now. It runs pretty well with FreeBSD-SMP. I've got an Adaptec 3940UW and Matrox Millenium, and haven't seen much trouble from it. I've also got 3 DEC 21140-based network cards in it, and a GUS PnP pro. The motherboard has 8 SIMM slots, for a maximum of 512MB, and 5 PCI slots. I assume that it will work with just one CPU. I'd check the ASUS web sites to make sure. (http://www.asus.com.tw, http://www.asus.com) Hope this helps, Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@r74h25.res.gatech.edu Disclaimer: I don't speak for GTRI, GT, or Elvis. From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Mar 5 11:37:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA06985 for smp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:37:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from tarkin.qualcomm.com (tarkin.qualcomm.com [129.46.111.16]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06968; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:37:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rmallory@localhost) by tarkin.qualcomm.com (8.8.5/1.4/8.7.2/1.12) id LAA06203; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:36:38 -0800 (PST) From: Rob Mallory Message-Id: <199703051936.LAA06203@tarkin.qualcomm.com> Subject: Re: P6 MB recommendations To: Bruce.Albrecht@seag.fingerhut.com (Bruce Albrecht) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:36:38 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9703051603.AA28215@gf006e0.fingerhut.com.> from "Bruce Albrecht" at Mar 5, 97 10:03:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I'm planning to purchase a dual P6 system in the next 3 weeks, and I'm > looking for opinions about various mothboards and/or systems. I'm > only planning on buying one P6-200 CPU now, and a second one in about > 6 months. I'm only planning on using SCSI peripherals, mainly because > I intend to liberate a bunch of drives from my Amiga. > I recently purchased the Tyan dual-pro from www.env.com for $850 inc tax. (motherboard alone was $320) including 2 150MHz cpus (which I overclocked to 166MHz). Call (or email) them and see if you can get the "swap meet price". I chose it because of its 5 pci slots and 8 simm slots. 2 weeks ago the P6-200/512k cpu was just over $1k at the swap meet. they should drop to ~$750 when the klamath is released.(in may/june) Rob From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Mar 5 11:38:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07019 for smp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:38:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA06988 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:37:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA05910 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:36:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199703051936.MAA05910@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: P6 MB recommendations In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Mar 1997 14:06:03 EST." <199703051906.OAA23756@r74h25.res.gatech.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 12:36:47 -0700 Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > I'm planning to purchase a dual P6 system in the next 3 weeks, and I'm > looking for opinions about various mothboards and/or systems. I'm > only planning on buying one P6-200 CPU now, and a second one in about > 6 months. be aware that there is an outside chance that a CPU purchased 6 months from now may not be able to run with a current stepping. Intel says that you should always run dual CPUs of the same stepping. this used to be a requirement because of differences ion timings of the APICs and ??? It is my personnal understanding that it is no longer a problem, but you should understand that there is a slight chance of incompatibility... --- > GigaByte 686DX, ASUS AS200 + ASYS 875 controller, Matrox Millenium this looks like an interesting board, I run the GA586DX and am very happy with it. I expect to buy a dual P6 within the next 6 months and would choose between this board and the ASUS P65UP5/CP6ND. The ASUS is currently the ONLY board known to work with SMP/APIC_IO and PCI cards with bridge chips on them. (that is, without doing special programming hacks in the kernel to get around the problem) Examples of bridge cards are the dual/quad ethernet controllers, the adaptec dual channel 3940, etc. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Mar 5 11:49:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA08258 for smp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:49:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mpress.com (qmailr@mpress.com [208.138.29.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA08253 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:49:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 23548 invoked by uid 100); 5 Mar 1997 19:49:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19970305114938.25472@mpress.mpress.com> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:49:38 -0800 From: Brian Litzinger To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: Bruce Albrecht , freebsd-smp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: P6 MB recommendations References: <9703051603.AA28215@gf006e0.fingerhut.com.> <199703051906.OAA23756@r74h25.res.gatech.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.64 In-Reply-To: <199703051906.OAA23756@r74h25.res.gatech.edu>; from Kenneth D. Merry on Wed, Mar 05, 1997 at 02:06:03PM -0500 Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mar 5, "Kenneth D. Merry" wrote: > > I'm planning to purchase a dual P6 system in the next 3 weeks, and I'm > > looking for opinions about various mothboards and/or systems. I'm > > only planning on buying one P6-200 CPU now, and a second one in about > > 6 months. I'm only planning on using SCSI peripherals, mainly because > > I intend to liberate a bunch of drives from my Amiga. > > I've have an ASUS P/I-P65UP5 with the the C-P6ND card. It has 256MB ram (expandable to 512) and 2 PP200 CPUs. I'm running a Dec 21140 card, and Adaptec 2940W SCSI controller. It has uptimes of weeks. Generally I'm the one rebooting it. It runs as an http and ftp server. -- Brian Litzinger brian@mediacity.com From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Mar 5 13:04:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA12099 for smp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 13:04:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12091 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 13:04:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970116) with ESMTP id QAA22699; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:02:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from orion.webspan.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (WEBSPN/970116) with ESMTP id QAA24938; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:02:43 -0500 (EST) To: Steve Passe cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: P6 MB recommendations In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Mar 1997 12:36:47 MST." <199703051936.MAA05910@clem.systemsix.com> Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 16:02:42 -0500 Message-ID: <24936.857595762@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Steve Passe wrote in message ID <199703051936.MAA05910@clem.systemsix.com>: > this looks like an interesting board, I run the GA586DX and am very happy > with it. I expect to buy a dual P6 within the next 6 months and > would choose between this board and the ASUS P65UP5/CP6ND. The ASUS > is currently the ONLY board known to work with SMP/APIC_IO and PCI cards > with bridge chips on them. (that is, without doing special programming hacks > in the kernel to get around the problem) Examples of bridge cards are > the dual/quad ethernet controllers, the adaptec dual channel 3940, etc. Any word about the Tyan Tital Pro boards? We have a couple of those here, and I was considering getting one for home as they are pretty nice boards. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Mar 5 14:13:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15239 for smp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:13:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from uruk.org (root@ns.uruk.org [198.145.95.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA15229 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:12:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from uruk.org [127.0.0.1] (erich) by uruk.org with esmtp (Exim 0.53 #1) id E0w2Owz-0003Zd-00; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:14:17 -0800 To: Steve Passe cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: P6 MB recommendations In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Mar 1997 12:36:47 MST." <199703051936.MAA05910@clem.systemsix.com> Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 14:14:17 -0800 From: Erich Boleyn Message-Id: Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Steve Passe wrote: > be aware that there is an outside chance that a CPU purchased 6 months from > now may not be able to run with a current stepping. Intel says that you > should always run dual CPUs of the same stepping. this used to be a > requirement because of differences ion timings of the APICs and ??? > It is my personnal understanding that it is no longer a problem, but > you should understand that there is a slight chance of incompatibility... As I understand it, the problems were with the Pentium dual-CPU configurations, which had a bunch of incompatible fixes to the APIC logic over it's lifetime. The later ones are pretty worry-free. The Pentium Pro setups were designed and tested up to 4-CPU early on, and the protocol was stabilized pretty well. Ideally, 2 CPUs of the same stepping is good, but I'm not sure it matters that much as long as they're of the same model for the Pentium Pro. However, I don't think the next revision of the Pentium Pro (the one with MMX) is supposed to be pinout-compatible. The existing version will probably continue to be available. Check with Intel for details. -- Erich Stefan Boleyn \_ E-mail (preferred): Mad Genius wanna-be, CyberMuffin \__ (finger me for other stats) Web: http://www.uruk.org/~erich/ Motto: "I'll live forever or die trying" From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Mar 5 15:56:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA21154 for smp-outgoing; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:56:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from po1.glue.umd.edu (root@po1.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.44]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21143; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:56:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from fiber.eng.umd.edu (fiber.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.185]) by po1.glue.umd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09158; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by fiber.eng.umd.edu (8.8.5/8.6.4) with SMTP id SAA05378; Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:56:39 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: fiber.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:56:38 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@fiber.eng.umd.edu To: Gary Palmer cc: Steve Passe , freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: P6 MB recommendations In-Reply-To: <24936.857595762@orion.webspan.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Gary Palmer wrote: > Steve Passe wrote in message ID > <199703051936.MAA05910@clem.systemsix.com>: > > this looks like an interesting board, I run the GA586DX and am very happy > > with it. I expect to buy a dual P6 within the next 6 months and > > would choose between this board and the ASUS P65UP5/CP6ND. The ASUS > > is currently the ONLY board known to work with SMP/APIC_IO and PCI cards > > with bridge chips on them. (that is, without doing special programming hacks > > in the kernel to get around the problem) Examples of bridge cards are > > the dual/quad ethernet controllers, the adaptec dual channel 3940, etc. > > Any word about the Tyan Tital Pro boards? We have a couple of those > here, and I was considering getting one for home as they are pretty > nice boards. I have one running smp. I have two p6/166's in there, because I could get them _much_ cheaper than p6/200's, and they had 512K cache (versus 256K for the available p6/200's, at least at some reasonable price. I've had no problem with it at all. I have to admit I haven't been trying any performance checks, except to prove to myself that I really was seeing a real improvement when I activated the 2nd CPU. Did that by comparisons of kernel building times, using make -j from 1 to 8, for both the single and dual processor cases. I did indeed see definite improvement, but I've mislaid that data somewhere. If you want specific performance data, tell me what you want me to do. I can say it makes a hell of a FreeBSD host. > > Gary > -- > Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member > FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-smp Sat Mar 8 12:02:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA29894 for smp-outgoing; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 12:02:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from simply.sly.org (jt@simply.sly.org [206.146.209.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29671 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 11:57:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jt@localhost) by simply.sly.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA13164 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 1997 13:56:59 -0600 Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 13:56:59 -0600 (CST) From: "John T. Croteau" To: smp@freebsd.org Subject: Success Story Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hey, just thought I would pass along a success story from here. Just compiled and have 3.0-SMP working very well here on a Tyan Tomcat III with 2 P90 CPU's. Have not had a single problem to date. If anyone wants more detailed info from me on this configuration please don't hesitate to ask. Thanks! - JT