From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Mar 17 05:47:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA10860 for smp-outgoing; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 05:47:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de (odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de [139.30.40.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA10839; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 05:47:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de (8.8.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28076; Mon, 17 Mar 1997 14:47:09 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199703171347.OAA28076@odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 From: Lars Koeller To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG cc: Lars_Koeller@odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de Subject: What dual PPro board for FreeBSD SMP? Experiences! X-Face: nLQGe[[K51[{{[C\,BiQm[7]u1m{N>_\%nLBo4t@)CoZ}hK[W7DwX&V=}Wf#Qb,j:Jpj[(12r=b~:dYmh]fDf\,]_frt6eM Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA16976 for smp-outgoing; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 01:10:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from sonne.cs.fh-nuernberg.de (sonne.cs.fh-nuernberg.de [141.75.8.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA16970 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 01:10:31 -0800 (PST) From: unix144@ai.fh-nuernberg.de Received: from vincent.ai.fh-nuernberg.de by sonne.cs.fh-nuernberg.de; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:07:06 +0100 Received: by vincent.ai.fh-nuernberg.de; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/26Jun96-1119AM) id AA07102; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:11:40 +0100 Message-Id: <9703180911.AA07102@vincent.ai.fh-nuernberg.de> To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:11:40 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL24 ME8b] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Mar 18 08:29:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA03395 for smp-outgoing; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 08:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA03367 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 08:29:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail0.iij.ad.jp (mail0.iij.ad.jp [202.232.2.113]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA00235 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 07:14:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from uucp2.iij.ad.jp (uucp2.iij.ad.jp [202.232.2.202]) by mail0.iij.ad.jp (8.8.5+2.7Wbeta5/3.5Wpl4-MAIL) with SMTP id AAA02425 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:13:04 +0900 (JST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by uucp2.iij.ad.jp (8.6.12+2.4W/3.3W9-UUCP) with UUCP id AAA16332 for freebsd-smp@freebsd.org; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:13:04 +0900 Received: from tyd1.tydfam.iijnet.or.jp (tyd1.tydfam.iijnet.or.jp [192.168.1.2]) by tydfam.iijnet.or.jp (8.8.5/3.4W2-uucp) with ESMTP id XAA00195 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:37:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost.tydfam.iijnet.or.jp (localhost.tydfam.iijnet.or.jp [127.0.0.1]) by tyd1.tydfam.iijnet.or.jp (8.8.5/3.4Wnomx) with SMTP id XAA02438 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:37:56 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199703181437.XAA02438@tyd1.tydfam.iijnet.or.jp> X-Authentication-Warning: tyd1.tydfam.iijnet.or.jp: localhost.tydfam.iijnet.or.jp [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Q) SMP kernel for 2.2R Reply-To: ken@tydfam.iijnet.or.jp X-Mailer: Mew version 1.52 on Emacs 19.34.2, Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="--Next_Part(Tue_Mar_18_23:37:00_1997)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:37:56 +0900 From: Takeshi Yamada Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ----Next_Part(Tue_Mar_18_23:37:00_1997)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you have any plan to implement SMP kernel for 2.2-RELEASE? I am using ASUS P/I-P6NP5(C-P6ND), mptable attached, as my server, and want to install SMP kernel. -current seemingly is under file system modification and Lite 2 implementation, and it is too unstable for server use. I tried the recent SMP source on 2.2-RELEASE and succeded in compilation, but it stopped at after "npx0: INT 16 interface" and before "sctarg0(noadapter::): Processor Target", assuming it displayes the same as single processor kernel. I would be very appreciated if you could implement SMP kernel for 2.2-RELEASE. ----Next_Part(Tue_Mar_18_23:37:00_1997)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit =============================================================================== MPTable, version 2.0.6 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MP Floating Pointer Structure: location: BIOS physical address: 0x000f60b0 signature: '_MP_' length: 16 bytes version: 1.1 checksum: 0x8e mode: Virtual Wire ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MP Config Table Header: physical address: 0x000f5caa signature: 'PCMP' base table length: 252 version: 1.1 checksum: 0xc9 OEM ID: 'OEM00000' Product ID: 'PROD00000000' OEM table pointer: 0x00000000 OEM table size: 0 entry count: 23 local APIC address: 0xfee00000 extended table length: 0 extended table checksum: 0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MP Config Base Table Entries: -- Processors: APIC ID Version State Family Model Step Flags 1 0x11 BSP, usable 6 1 7 0xfbff 0 0x11 AP, usable 6 1 7 0xfbff -- Bus: Bus ID Type 0 PCI 1 PCI 2 ISA -- I/O APICs: APIC ID Version State Address 2 0x11 usable 0xfec00000 -- I/O Ints: Type Polarity Trigger Bus ID IRQ APIC ID INT# ExtINT conforms conforms 2 0 2 0 INT conforms conforms 2 1 2 1 INT conforms conforms 2 0 2 2 INT conforms conforms 2 3 2 3 INT conforms conforms 2 4 2 4 INT conforms conforms 2 5 2 5 INT conforms conforms 2 6 2 6 INT conforms conforms 2 7 2 7 INT conforms conforms 2 8 2 8 INT conforms conforms 2 9 2 9 INT conforms conforms 2 14 2 14 INT active-lo level 2 11 2 16 INT active-lo level 2 10 2 17 INT active-lo level 2 12 2 18 INT active-lo level 2 15 2 19 -- Local Ints: Type Polarity Trigger Bus ID IRQ APIC ID INT# ExtINT active-hi edge 2 0 255 0 NMI active-hi edge 2 0 255 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # SMP kernel config file options: options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O options NCPU=2 # number of CPUs options NBUS=3 # number of busses options NAPIC=1 # number of IO APICs options NINTR=24 # number of INTs options SMP_INVLTLB # #options SMP_PRIVPAGES # BROKEN, DO NOT use! #options SMP_AUTOSTART # BROKEN, DO NOT use! #options SERIAL_DEBUG # com port debug output =============================================================================== ----Next_Part(Tue_Mar_18_23:37:00_1997)---- From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Mar 18 08:32:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA03936 for smp-outgoing; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 08:32:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA03902 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 08:32:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA29427 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 06:25:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA00953; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:22:07 +0200 (EET) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:22:05 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Gary Clark II cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AMD K5 Pentium Equivalents In-Reply-To: <199703150015.SAA05823@main.gbdata.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Gary Clark II wrote: > Steven P. Donegan wrote: [snip] > > You can run only Intel chips in FreeBSD SMP due to the fact that the others > (Cyrix and AMD) use a different standard for PIC usage. > (Please correct if I'm wrong on this) > This is a bit late reply, but still: Could FreeBSD be made to run AMD chips in SMP mode? That is - are the SMP motherboards capable of running the AMD (and Cyrix chips) in SMP, and the only thing on the way is the software? Or are different SMP motherboards required? Sander > > Gary > > -- > Gary Clark II (N5VMF) | I speak only for myself and "maybe" my company > gclarkii@GBData.COM | Member of the FreeBSD Doc Team > Providing Internet and ISP startups mail info@GBData.COM for information > FreeBSD FAQ at ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/docs/freebsd-faq.ascii > From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Mar 18 09:58:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA12151 for smp-outgoing; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:58:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from uruk.org (root@ns.uruk.org [198.145.95.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA12144 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:58:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from uruk.org [127.0.0.1] (erich) by uruk.org with esmtp (Exim 0.53 #1) id E0w73DU-00057Y-00; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:02:32 -0800 To: Narvi cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org, gclarkii@main.gbdata.com Subject: Re: AMD K5 Pentium Equivalents In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:22:05 +0200." Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:02:32 -0800 From: Erich Boleyn Message-Id: Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Narvi wrote: > On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Gary Clark II wrote: > > > Steven P. Donegan wrote: > [snip] > > > > You can run only Intel chips in FreeBSD SMP due to the fact that the others > > (Cyrix and AMD) use a different standard for PIC usage. > > (Please correct if I'm wrong on this) > > > > This is a bit late reply, but still: > > Could FreeBSD be made to run AMD chips in SMP mode? That is - are the SMP > motherboards capable of running the AMD (and Cyrix chips) in SMP, and the > only thing on the way is the software? Or are different SMP motherboards > required? The AMD and Cyrix chips are NOT compatible with the MPS motherboards at all, and likely never will be. They are missing (or have an incompatible form of) the APIC (Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller). Standard PC motherboards are generally not designed to use them. I believe any motherboard using an Intel APIC architecture can only accept Intel CPUs. There was some talk about AMD or Cyrix (I don't remember which) making a competing architecture called the OpenPIC, but I haven't ever seen such hardware, so at the very least it wasn't (or isn't) widely sold, perhaps never commercially available. -- Erich Stefan Boleyn \_ E-mail (preferred): Mad Genius wanna-be, CyberMuffin \__ (finger me for other stats) Web: http://www.uruk.org/~erich/ Motto: "I'll live forever or die trying" From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Mar 18 09:58:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA12178 for smp-outgoing; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:58:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (sc-gw.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.191]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12169 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:58:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA16020; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:52:32 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199703181752.KAA16020@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Authentication-Warning: Ilsa.StevesCafe.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: Narvi cc: Gary Clark II , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AMD K5 Pentium Equivalents In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:22:05 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:52:32 -0700 Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Gary Clark II wrote: > > > Steven P. Donegan wrote: > [snip] > > > > You can run only Intel chips in FreeBSD SMP due to the fact that the others > > (Cyrix and AMD) use a different standard for PIC usage. > > (Please correct if I'm wrong on this) > > > > This is a bit late reply, but still: > > Could FreeBSD be made to run AMD chips in SMP mode? That is - are the SMP > motherboards capable of running the AMD (and Cyrix chips) in SMP, and the > only thing on the way is the software? Or are different SMP motherboards > required? no, can't be done. its a hardware issue, specifically the amd/cyrix chips don't have APICs (advanced programmable interrupt controller) on them. amd/cyrix were developing their own hardware standard for this called Open APIC, but it has withered on the vine... intel patents the hell out of the APIC arch. so its very unlikely that the APIC functionality will be cloned by anyone. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Mar 18 09:58:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA12188 for smp-outgoing; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:58:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (sc-gw.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.191]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12183 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:58:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA16094; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:58:29 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199703181758.KAA16094@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Authentication-Warning: Ilsa.StevesCafe.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: ken@tydfam.iijnet.or.jp cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q) SMP kernel for 2.2R In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:37:56 +0900." <199703181437.XAA02438@tyd1.tydfam.iijnet.or.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:58:29 -0700 Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > Do you have any plan to implement SMP kernel for 2.2-RELEASE? > > I am using ASUS P/I-P6NP5(C-P6ND), mptable attached, as my server, >and want to install SMP kernel. >-current seemingly is under file system modification and Lite 2 >implementation, and it is too unstable for server use. I tried >the recent SMP source on 2.2-RELEASE and succeded in compilation, >but it stopped at after "npx0: INT 16 interface" and before >"sctarg0(noadapter::): Processor Target", assuming it displayes >the same as single processor kernel. don't think this will ever happen. the current version of SMP has many compromises that just won't cut it for the real thing. As we continue development the INT structure etc. is going to change vastly from the current (ie 2.2) model. Although the current SMP might be modifiable to work under 2.2 with a little work, the future changes will make it impossible, and it would be a waste of time to maintain a parallel branch for 2.2. This is a major reason we went to 3.0. sorry... -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Mar 18 12:42:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26730 for smp-outgoing; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:42:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from main.gbdata.com ([207.113.12.26]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA26713 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:42:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gclarkii@localhost) by main.gbdata.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01991; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:55:25 -0600 (CST) From: Gary Clark II Message-Id: <199703181955.NAA01991@main.gbdata.com> Subject: Re: AMD K5 Pentium Equivalents To: narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee (Narvi) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:55:24 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Narvi at "Mar 18, 97 04:22:05 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Narvi wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Gary Clark II wrote: > > > You can run only Intel chips in FreeBSD SMP due to the fact that the others > > (Cyrix and AMD) use a different standard for PIC usage. > > (Please correct if I'm wrong on this) > > This is a bit late reply, but still: > > Could FreeBSD be made to run AMD chips in SMP mode? That is - are the SMP > motherboards capable of running the AMD (and Cyrix chips) in SMP, and the > only thing on the way is the software? Or are different SMP motherboards > required? You would have to change both motherboard AND FreeBSD to run these chips. Does anyone know of any motherboards with the new PIC standard running on it? > Sander Gary -- Gary Clark II (N5VMF) | I speak only for myself and "maybe" my company gclarkii@GBData.COM | Member of the FreeBSD Doc Team Providing Internet and ISP startups mail info@GBData.COM for information FreeBSD FAQ at ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/docs/freebsd-faq.ascii From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Mar 18 23:36:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA09443 for smp-outgoing; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:36:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA08980 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:34:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA08685; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:28:16 +0200 (EET) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:28:10 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Steve Passe cc: Gary Clark II , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AMD K5 Pentium Equivalents In-Reply-To: <199703181752.KAA16020@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Steve Passe wrote: > Hi, > > > On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Gary Clark II wrote: > > > > > Steven P. Donegan wrote: > > [snip] > > > > > > You can run only Intel chips in FreeBSD SMP due to the fact that the others > > > (Cyrix and AMD) use a different standard for PIC usage. > > > (Please correct if I'm wrong on this) > > > > > > > This is a bit late reply, but still: > > > > Could FreeBSD be made to run AMD chips in SMP mode? That is - are the SMP > > motherboards capable of running the AMD (and Cyrix chips) in SMP, and the > > only thing on the way is the software? Or are different SMP motherboards > > required? > > no, can't be done. its a hardware issue, specifically the amd/cyrix chips > don't have APICs (advanced programmable interrupt controller) on them. > > amd/cyrix were developing their own hardware standard for this called > Open APIC, but it has withered on the vine... > intel patents the hell out of the APIC arch. so its very unlikely > that the APIC functionality will be cloned by anyone. Well, AMD has it's own chipset out now, starting to ship in the second quater - I'll take a look whetever there is anything about OpenPIC available... Sander > > -- > Steve Passe | powered by > smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD > > From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Mar 19 07:13:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA25199 for smp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail0.iij.ad.jp (mail0.iij.ad.jp [202.232.2.113]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA25190 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:13:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from uucp2.iij.ad.jp (uucp2.iij.ad.jp [202.232.2.202]) by mail0.iij.ad.jp (8.8.5+2.7Wbeta5/3.5Wpl4-MAIL) with SMTP id AAA00354; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:13:39 +0900 (JST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by uucp2.iij.ad.jp (8.6.12+2.4W/3.3W9-UUCP) with UUCP id AAA01914; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:13:39 +0900 Received: from tyd1.tydfam.iijnet.or.jp (tyd1.tydfam.iijnet.or.jp [192.168.1.2]) by tydfam.iijnet.or.jp (8.8.5/3.4W2-uucp) with ESMTP id XAA04768; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:31:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost.tydfam.iijnet.or.jp (localhost.tydfam.iijnet.or.jp [127.0.0.1]) by tyd1.tydfam.iijnet.or.jp (8.8.5/3.4Wnomx) with SMTP id XAA01168; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:31:13 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199703191431.XAA01168@tyd1.tydfam.iijnet.or.jp> X-Authentication-Warning: tyd1.tydfam.iijnet.or.jp: localhost.tydfam.iijnet.or.jp [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: smp@csn.net Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q) SMP kernel for 2.2R Reply-To: ken@tydfam.iijnet.or.jp In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:58:29 -0700" References: <199703181758.KAA16094@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.52 on Emacs 19.34.2, Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:31:13 +0900 From: Takeshi Yamada Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thank you for your quick reply. I would insist to FreeBSD-current at some risks, then. From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Mar 19 11:17:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA15928 for smp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:17:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay-11.mail.demon.net (relay-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.137]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA15917 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:17:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from longacre.demon.co.uk ([158.152.156.24]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id aa1123307; 19 Mar 97 18:36 GMT From: Michael Searle Message-ID: To: smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dual P6 motherboard References: <199703190004.RAA20582@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:35:31 GMT X-Mailer: Offlite 0.09 / Termite Internet for Acorn RISC OS Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Steve Passe wrote: >> (Also, what are my options for running SMP, without an net connection?) > by this do you mean options for acquiring the source? if so, at present > cvsup and CTM are the only methods for acquiring the source that I am > aware of. Haven't the newer 3.0-SNAP CDs got the SMP changes also? (I'm looking for a CD if possible, if not then some single download, I don't need regular updates.) -- Michael Searle - searle@longacre.demon.co.uk From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Mar 19 22:59:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA29538 for smp-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:59:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29532 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:59:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.5/CET-v2.1) with SMTP id GAA24329; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 06:59:22 GMT Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:59:22 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: ken@tydfam.iijnet.or.jp cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q) SMP kernel for 2.2R In-Reply-To: <199703191431.XAA01168@tyd1.tydfam.iijnet.or.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Takeshi Yamada wrote: > Thank you for your quick reply. > > I would insist to FreeBSD-current at some risks, then. Ki wo tsukette kudaisai. I hope this doesn't mean a production system. You should only put this on a non-critical system this early in the development cycle. Regards, Mike From owner-freebsd-smp Thu Mar 20 08:56:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA24592 for smp-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:56:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24584 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from caught.inna.net (caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07392; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:01:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 11:50:32 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Arnold To: Narvi cc: Steve Passe , Gary Clark II , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AMD K5 Pentium Equivalents In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Well, AMD has it's own chipset out now, starting to ship in the second > quater - I'll take a look whetever there is anything about OpenPIC > available... The AMD-640 chipset does NOT support OpenPIC. However after speaking with my AMD rep, we can expect another chipset 3rd quarter that WILL support OpenPIC and 4+ processors. Also expect the K6 chip to be available in quantity Mid April which is AMD's reasoning behind putting out their own chipsets. VIA was working on an OpenPIC chipset also and in fact worked with AMD on the AMD-640 chipset. Don't expect Intel to support OpenPIC :-) But most of Intels competition WILL support OpenPIC as Intel's Chips will run under OpenPIC the reverse just isn't true. I remain ever hopefull... +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-smp Thu Mar 20 12:49:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA06306 for smp-outgoing; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:49:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06299 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:49:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA26262; Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:47:52 +0200 (EET) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:47:50 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Thomas Arnold cc: Steve Passe , Gary Clark II , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AMD K5 Pentium Equivalents In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 20 Mar 1996, Thomas Arnold wrote: > > > Well, AMD has it's own chipset out now, starting to ship in the second > > quater - I'll take a look whetever there is anything about OpenPIC > > available... > > The AMD-640 chipset does NOT support OpenPIC. However after speaking with That's sad. Especially as any motherboards will arive some time other the chipset ships. > my AMD rep, we can expect another chipset 3rd quarter that WILL support > OpenPIC and 4+ processors. Also expect the K6 chip to be available in > quantity Mid April which is AMD's reasoning behind putting out their own > chipsets. Well, I would expect motherboards out and available at reasonable price around 1st Q98 then. Having more chips is good - I hope the prizes on resonably fast processors will drop faster :-) > > VIA was working on an OpenPIC chipset also and in fact worked with AMD on > the AMD-640 chipset. Don't expect Intel to support OpenPIC :-) But most > of Intels competition WILL support OpenPIC as Intel's Chips will run under > OpenPIC the reverse just isn't true. Good to know. Sander > > I remain ever hopefull... > > > +-----------------------------------------------+ > : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : > : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : > : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : > +-----------------------------------------------+ > > From owner-freebsd-smp Fri Mar 21 09:01:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA26568 for smp-outgoing; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:01:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from cenotaph.snafu.de (gw-deadnet.snafu.de [194.121.229.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA26563 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:01:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by cenotaph.snafu.de from deadline.snafu.de using smtp id m0w87g1-000KCEC; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 18:00:25 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1) Received: by deadline.snafu.de id m0w87fz-0004AdC; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 18:00:23 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1) Message-Id: From: root@deadline.snafu.de (Andreas S. Wetzel) Subject: How to build a working SMP machine? To: smp@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 18:00:23 +0100 (CET) Organization: A world stranger than you have ever imagined. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL13] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! --- I'm currently wondering, how one should get to a working SMP system. After I had tried out the SMP kernel with a recent -current, which did not work because of the recent Lite2 merges, I today tried to checkout a source tree dated Mar. 01 97 hoping to get a working and nearly stable system out of that sources again which would then also be runnable with an SMP kernel... Nope... ''make world'' fails on that tree because of changes to /usr/src/sys/ufs/ufs/*.h dated 10 - 11. Feb 97 which in turn cause at least fsck to not compile at all. The modifications to fsck which will make it compile again are dated Mar. 12/13 and later... So I tried to do a make world on that tree with the /usr/src/sys tree replaced by the SMP sys tree. But even that fails, cause some include files insist to include "smp_opt.h" which if ever seems to exist only in /sys/compile/*/... So can anyone tell me which date to check out of the CVS tree to get the rest working with an SMP kernel and at least compiling, and what is the correct order for doing a make world on that sources. Should I first do a make world on the sources and THEN replaces sys with sys-SMP, or should I replace sys with sys-SMP before compiling anything? Help appreciated! Regards, Mickey -- (__) (@@) Andreas S. Wetzel Mail: mickey@deadline.snafu.de /-------\/ Utrechter Strasse 41 Web: http://cenotaph.snafu.de/mickey/ / | || 13347 Berlin Fon: <+4930> 456 066 90 * ||----|| Germany Fax: <+4930> 456 066 91/92 ~~ ~~ From owner-freebsd-smp Fri Mar 21 09:43:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28644 for smp-outgoing; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:43:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ihgw2.lucent.com (ihgw2.lucent.com [207.19.48.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA28637 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:43:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from nasvr1.cb.lucent.com by ihig2.firewall.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-L sol2) id LAA23054; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 11:37:41 -0600 Received: from barnacle.cb.lucent.com by nasvr1.cb.lucent.com (5.x/EMS-L sol2) id AA28020; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:43:40 -0500 Received: by barnacle.cb.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-1.1 Sol2) id MAA27502; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:43:38 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 12:43:38 -0500 From: ejc@naserver1.cb.lucent.com Message-Id: <199703211743.MAA27502@barnacle.cb.lucent.com> To: smp@freebsd.org, root@deadline.snafu.de Subject: Re: How to build a working SMP machine? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm currently wondering, how one should get to a working SMP system. > After I had tried out the SMP kernel with a recent -current, which did not > work because of the recent Lite2 merges, I today tried to checkout > a source tree dated Mar. 01 97 hoping to get a working and nearly > stable system out of that sources again which would then also be runnable > with an SMP kernel... Nope... ''make world'' fails on that tree because > of changes to /usr/src/sys/ufs/ufs/*.h dated 10 - 11. Feb 97 which in turn > cause at least fsck to not compile at all. Hello Try a tree from:cvs update -Pd -D '02/10/97 00:00:00 GMT' This should get you going. ejc From owner-freebsd-smp Fri Mar 21 10:05:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29778 for smp-outgoing; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:05:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from minnow.render.com (render.demon.co.uk [158.152.30.118]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA29768 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:05:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dfr@localhost) by minnow.render.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA21025; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:57:26 GMT To: root@deadline.snafu.de (Andreas S. Wetzel) Cc: smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to build a working SMP machine? References: From: Doug Rabson Date: 21 Mar 1997 17:57:24 +0000 In-Reply-To: root@deadline.snafu.de's message of Fri, 21 Mar 1997 18:00:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: Lines: 36 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.2.25/XEmacs 19.14 Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk root@deadline.snafu.de (Andreas S. Wetzel) writes: > > Hi! > --- > > I'm currently wondering, how one should get to a working SMP system. > After I had tried out the SMP kernel with a recent -current, which did not > work because of the recent Lite2 merges, I today tried to checkout > a source tree dated Mar. 01 97 hoping to get a working and nearly > stable system out of that sources again which would then also be runnable > with an SMP kernel... Nope... ''make world'' fails on that tree because > of changes to /usr/src/sys/ufs/ufs/*.h dated 10 - 11. Feb 97 which in turn > cause at least fsck to not compile at all. The modifications to fsck which > will make it compile again are dated Mar. 12/13 and later... So I tried > to do a make world on that tree with the /usr/src/sys tree replaced by > the SMP sys tree. But even that fails, cause some include files insist > to include "smp_opt.h" which if ever seems to exist only in /sys/compile/*/... > > So can anyone tell me which date to check out of the CVS tree to get > the rest working with an SMP kernel and at least compiling, and what > is the correct order for doing a make world on that sources. > Should I first do a make world on the sources and THEN replaces sys > with sys-SMP, or should I replace sys with sys-SMP before compiling > anything? Well a swift look at the logs for a representative file (vfs_syscalls.c) shows that the lite2 earthquake started early morning on Monday 10th Feb 1997. The world would never be the same. I suggest setting your time machine to 9 Feb 1997 to return to the 'Golden Days'. -- Doug Rabson, Microsoft RenderMorphics Ltd. Mail: dfr@render.com Phone: +44 171 734 3761 These are not the opinions of Microsoft. FAX: +44 171 734 6426 From owner-freebsd-smp Fri Mar 21 17:32:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA00510 for smp-outgoing; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:32:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from spinner.DIALix.COM (root@spinner.dialix.com [192.203.228.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA00504 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:32:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from spinner.DIALix.COM (peter@localhost.DIALix.oz.au [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.DIALix.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20641; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 09:31:39 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: <199703220131.JAA20641@spinner.DIALix.COM> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Doug Rabson cc: root@deadline.snafu.de (Andreas S. Wetzel), smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to build a working SMP machine? In-reply-to: Your message of "21 Mar 1997 17:57:24 GMT." Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 09:31:36 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Doug Rabson wrote: [..] > Well a swift look at the logs for a representative file > (vfs_syscalls.c) shows that the lite2 earthquake started early morning > on Monday 10th Feb 1997. The world would never be the same. I > suggest setting your time machine to 9 Feb 1997 to return to the > 'Golden Days'. Also, the SMP kernel was synchronised last to the 9-Feb kernel, right before the import. So, getting a cvs tree from that date would be the best match. eg: something like: cvs -q update -Pd -D '02/09/97 00:00:00 GMT' Cheers, -Peter From owner-freebsd-smp Sat Mar 22 09:44:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA15060 for smp-outgoing; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 09:44:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from cenotaph.snafu.de (gw-deadnet.snafu.de [194.121.229.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA15029 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 09:44:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by cenotaph.snafu.de from deadline.snafu.de using smtp id m0w8Upc-000KCeC; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 18:43:52 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1) Received: by deadline.snafu.de id m0w8Upa-0004AVC; Sat, 22 Mar 1997 18:43:50 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1) Message-Id: From: root@deadline.snafu.de (Andreas S. Wetzel) Subject: Re: How to build a working SMP machine? To: peter@spinner.dialix.com (Peter Wemm) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 18:43:50 +0100 (CET) Cc: dfr@render.com, smp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199703220131.JAA20641@spinner.DIALix.COM> from Peter Wemm at "Mar 22, 97 09:31:36 am" Organization: A world stranger than you have ever imagined. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL13] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! --- Peter Wemm writes: ] Doug Rabson wrote: ] [..] ] > Well a swift look at the logs for a representative file ] > (vfs_syscalls.c) shows that the lite2 earthquake started early morning ] > on Monday 10th Feb 1997. The world would never be the same. I ] > suggest setting your time machine to 9 Feb 1997 to return to the ] > 'Golden Days'. ] ] Also, the SMP kernel was synchronised last to the 9-Feb kernel, right ] before the import. So, getting a cvs tree from that date would be the ] best match. ] ] eg: something like: ] cvs -q update -Pd -D '02/09/97 00:00:00 GMT' Thanks to all the people who replied so quickly. Now I've done the little src-tree-time-warp it seems that it got me back on track. SMP kernel seems to work fine now and NFS doesn't crash my machine anymore :-> BTW: Are there already any of these nifty tools like xcpustate etc available for use with SMP kernel? I found that top already supports it... Regards, Mickey -- (__) (@@) Andreas S. Wetzel Mail: mickey@deadline.snafu.de /-------\/ Utrechter Strasse 41 Web: http://cenotaph.snafu.de/mickey/ / | || 13347 Berlin Fon: <+4930> 456 066 90 * ||----|| Germany Fax: <+4930> 456 066 91/92 ~~ ~~