From owner-freebsd-smp Mon May 12 00:35:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA04632 for smp-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 00:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA04624 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 00:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id AAA21509; Mon, 12 May 1997 00:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA22695; Mon, 12 May 1997 00:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705120733.AAA22695@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Terry Lambert cc: chuckr@mat.net, smp@csn.net, james@westongold.com, smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: maptable of SuperMicro P6DNH In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 10 May 97 12:07:37 -0700. <199705101907.MAA04249@phaeton.artisoft.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 00:32:34 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> >> Seriously, the MP boards are typically *better* than the UP boards >> >> because they have more hurdles. The UP boards *should* jump the same >> >> hurdles -- it would make for faster UP boards, for one thing, and >> >> faster generic OS code, for another. I'm surprised there isn't a >> >> push for this from MS on the basis of NT... heck, maybe there is? >> And it would make the hardware more expensive. And people wouldn't >> buy it. Then you would have SCSI and IDE in motherboard designs. >And then they'd move it into the "board chipset" ASIC's. And then, >since silicon real-estate is silicon real-estate, no matter if you >encode shiity designs or good designs in the dopant, it will cost the >same per square millimeter for bot good and bad hardware. [...] >Why does everyone think "better" means "more silicon". If programmers >thought you had to go bigger to get better, then we'd have... well, >MS-NT and USL-SVR4. 8-). Well, in that case, this has already happened at least once. Remember the days when the 486 reigned as king, and you were rolling the dice picking up an EISA or PCI (or VLB) motherboard, whether its cache coherency was functional, or totally inept. Then, a few good chipsets started to emerge. Intel being one (after they sorted out the bugs in the first couple tries). Then, the Pentium came along, and Intel used that as an opportunity to start pushing its own chipsets hard. The argument whether its good or not that the majority of the industry is centered around Intel parts aside, the move to almost all Intel support chip based motherboards has, in general, substantially increased at least the consistency of functional motherboards, if not the overall quality. The fact that Intel put so much SMP capability directly into the Pentium Pro, also bodes well in this direction. Dual CPU is now almost free, except for the extra CPU. It's quite possible that four to eight CPUs for almost free is just down the road. Maybe we just haven't topped the cost/production efficiency curve for that yet. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-smp Mon May 12 16:38:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA13297 for smp-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 16:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mpress.com (mpress.com [208.138.29.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA13286 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 16:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9096 invoked by uid 100); 12 May 1997 23:38:17 -0000 Message-ID: <19970512163816.31381@mpress.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:38:16 -0700 From: Brian Litzinger To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Panic under StarOffice scalc3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode cpunumber = 1 fault virtual address = 0xf0a30000 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instructions pointer = 0x8:0xf0206714 stack pointer = 0x10:0xf49f2d38 frame pointer = 0x10:0xf49f2f58 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 502 (scalc3) interrupt mask = kernel: type 12 trap, code=0 Stopped at _linux_getdents+0x384: movzwl 0x4(%ecx),%esl Tyan S1668 motherboard with 2xPentiumPro 150, running in Dual CPU mode. -- Brian Litzinger brian@mediacity.com From owner-freebsd-smp Mon May 12 17:28:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA15545 for smp-outgoing; Mon, 12 May 1997 17:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs.utah.edu (cs.utah.edu [128.110.4.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA15540 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 17:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fast.cs.utah.edu by cs.utah.edu (8.8.4/utah-2.21-cs) id SAA25713; Mon, 12 May 1997 18:28:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by fast.cs.utah.edu (8.6.10/utah-2.15-leaf) id SAA03481; Mon, 12 May 1997 18:28:19 -0600 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 18:28:19 -0600 From: vanmaren@fast.cs.utah.edu (Kevin Van Maren) Message-Id: <199705130028.SAA03481@fast.cs.utah.edu> To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This seems to be occuring quite frequently under SMP. Are there any known race conditions or other problems that might be causing this? This `page not present' seems to be the last bug that is seriously biting people. Kevin From owner-freebsd-smp Tue May 13 08:20:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA24610 for smp-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 08:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trout.nosc.mil (trout.nosc.mil [128.49.16.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA24601 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 08:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cod.nosc.mil by trout.nosc.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00721; Tue, 13 May 97 08:20:04 PDT Received: from [128.49.16.48] (aegis.nosc.mil) by cod.nosc.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13612; Tue, 13 May 97 08:20:02 PDT X-Sender: gshaffer@cod.nosc.mil Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 08:19:19 -0700 To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Greg Shaffer Subject: How stable is SMP Cc: gshaffer@nosc.mil Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I recently rebuilt my SMP machine to upgrade to the post lite2 current (as of 10 May 97) and I have been having quite a few panic's. The last time I rebuilt the world was just before the lite2 merge and the system was running that just fine. The ones that I have seen are 'Fatal Trap 12' type panics. Is this specific to the SMP branch? Has anybody else been having the same problem? Greg Shaffer From owner-freebsd-smp Tue May 13 08:37:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA25490 for smp-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 08:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.4d.net [207.137.157.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA25483 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 08:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA02644 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:38:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How stable is SMP - anyone selling used dual Pentium MBs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Gang: I realize this isn't strictly "on topic". Given the ever so slowly decreasing prices on Pentiums and motherboards, I can imagine that some of you might be upgrading to a dual Pentium Pro motherboard from a dual Pentium board. If you have something like a dual Pentium 133 or dual Pentium 166 MB that is stable under FreeBSD-SMP and might consider selling it (incl. the CPUs) to a poor grad student, please drop me a line. Idealy, I'd want the board to be able to take SDRAM, but my understanding is that it's not yet possible. I'll settle for at least a used dual Pentium 133 MB (+ CPUs). Thanks. Bernie From owner-freebsd-smp Tue May 13 09:46:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28793 for smp-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 09:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28786; Tue, 13 May 1997 09:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07089; Tue, 13 May 1997 10:45:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199705131645.KAA07089@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: Brian Litzinger cc: vanmaren@fast.cs.utah.edu, gshaffer@nosc.mil, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Panic under StarOffice scalc3 In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 May 1997 16:38:16 PDT." <19970512163816.31381@mpress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 10:45:59 -0600 Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, It does appear to be a theme. I have re-built world several times in last week and have no problems at all. We need to determine what is common to the failing machines. I suspect we will find something like NFS or linux compat or ??? is the trigger. So if everyone who is getting them would documenmt the circumstances we can start to look for clues... Does anyone see these whern NOT running SMP? -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-smp Tue May 13 10:18:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00546 for smp-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 10:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kvikk.uit.no (kvikk.Uit.No [129.242.4.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00538 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 10:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sprint.cc.uit.no (sprint.Cc.Uit.No [129.242.5.198]) by kvikk.uit.no (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA08494; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:18:42 +0200 (METDST) Received: from slibo.cc.uit.no (slibo.Cc.Uit.No [129.242.5.36]) by sprint.cc.uit.no (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29588; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:18:41 +0200 (METDST) Received: from localhost (terjem@localhost) by slibo.cc.uit.no (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA07525; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:18:40 +0200 (METDST) Message-Id: <199705131718.TAA07525@slibo.cc.uit.no> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Steve Passe cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Headsup: SMP_AUTOSTART In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 May 1997 15:35:13 METDST." <199705072135.PAA05912@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 19:18:40 +0200 From: Terje Normann Marthinussen Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Hi, > >> >SMP_AUTOSTART is now working and a valid option for your SMP kernel config >> >file. >> >> Great! Has it been tested with more than two processors (ie, used >> to start multiple application processors)? > >no it hasn't, thats a good point. The code is written to support multiple >APs, but till its tested... quad users please report. cvsouped current last night and compiled world on our 4 CPU HP Netserver First of all, 'make depend' gives the following: In file included from ../../i386/isa/icu.h:50, from ../../i386/eisa/eisaconf.c:45: opt_smp.h:1: warning: `NCPU' redefined machine/smp.h:23: warning: this is the location of the previous definition In file included from ../../i386/isa/icu.h:50, from machine/mpapic.h:31, from ../../i386/i386/mpapic.c:33: opt_smp.h:1: warning: `NCPU' redefined machine/smp.h:23: warning: this is the location of the previous definition In file included from ../../i386/isa/icu.h:50, from ../../i386/isa/pcibus.c:44: opt_smp.h:1: warning: `NCPU' redefined machine/smp.h:23: warning: this is the location of the previous definition In file included from ../../i386/isa/icu.h:50, from ../../i386/isa/random_machdep.c:53: opt_smp.h:1: warning: `NCPU' redefined Which I easily ignored :) (didn't have time to examine it closely.) Then I got some errors from time.h: /usr/include/time.h:95: parse error before `struct' /usr/include/time.h:96: parse error before `struct' /usr/include/time.h:97: parse error before `const' /usr/include/time.h:103: warning: `struct timespec' declared inside parameter list /usr/include/time.h:103: warning: its scope is only this definition or declaration, /usr/include/time.h:103: warning: which is probably not what you want. Got rid of those. After that, make world worked, got a new kernel, reboot, all 4 CPUs starting and everything looks just fine. Conclusion: SMP_AUTOSTART works on 4 CPUs Terje Marthinussen terjem@cc.uit.no From owner-freebsd-smp Tue May 13 10:29:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01067 for smp-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 10:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01061 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 10:29:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07239; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:28:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199705131728.LAA07239@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: Terje Normann Marthinussen cc: Peter Wemm , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Headsup: SMP_AUTOSTART In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 13 May 1997 19:18:40 +0200." <199705131718.TAA07525@slibo.cc.uit.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:28:27 -0600 Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, --- >cvsouped current last night and compiled world on our 4 CPU HP Netserver > >First of all, 'make depend' gives the following: >In file included from ../../i386/isa/icu.h:50, > from ../../i386/eisa/eisaconf.c:45: >opt_smp.h:1: warning: `NCPU' redefined this smells like contamination from a previous build. some opt_smp stuff was moved to opt_global(?). Did you do a "config " first? If not try that first. --- >Then I got some errors from time.h: >/usr/include/time.h:95: parse error before `struct' > ... >Got rid of those. I've noticed a lot of commits in the time/clock area lately, probably just transient.... --- >After that, make world worked, got a new kernel, reboot, all 4 CPUs >starting and everything looks just fine. > >Conclusion: SMP_AUTOSTART works on 4 CPUs great, thanx for the report! -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-smp Tue May 13 10:49:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02306 for smp-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 10:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kvikk.uit.no (kvikk.Uit.No [129.242.4.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02290 for ; Tue, 13 May 1997 10:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sprint.cc.uit.no (sprint.Cc.Uit.No [129.242.5.198]) by kvikk.uit.no (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA09006; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:48:09 +0200 (METDST) Received: from slibo.cc.uit.no (slibo.Cc.Uit.No [129.242.5.36]) by sprint.cc.uit.no (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29823; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:48:09 +0200 (METDST) Received: from localhost (terjem@localhost) by slibo.cc.uit.no (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA07751; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:48:08 +0200 (METDST) Message-Id: <199705131748.TAA07751@slibo.cc.uit.no> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Steve Passe cc: Peter Wemm , freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Headsup: SMP_AUTOSTART In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 13 May 1997 11:28:27 METDST." <199705131728.LAA07239@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 19:48:08 +0200 From: Terje Normann Marthinussen Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Hi, > >--- >>cvsouped current last night and compiled world on our 4 CPU HP Netserver >> >>First of all, 'make depend' gives the following: >>In file included from ../../i386/isa/icu.h:50, >> from ../../i386/eisa/eisaconf.c:45: >>opt_smp.h:1: warning: `NCPU' redefined > >this smells like contamination from a previous build. some opt_smp stuff >was moved to opt_global(?). Did you do a "config " first? >If not try that first. Yes, I did, had to do that to get SMP_AUTOSTART in :) I even suped an entirely clean sys just to be sure that some hacking I had done earlier didn't mess up anything. Terje Marthinussen terjem@cc.uit.no From owner-freebsd-smp Tue May 13 18:20:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA01056 for smp-outgoing; Tue, 13 May 1997 18:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01046; Tue, 13 May 1997 18:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from msmith@localhost) by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA19508; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:48:54 +0930 (CST) From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199705140118.KAA19508@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Panic under StarOffice scalc3 In-Reply-To: <199705131645.KAA07089@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> from Steve Passe at "May 13, 97 10:45:59 am" To: smp@csn.net (Steve Passe) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:48:54 +0930 (CST) Cc: brian@mpress.com, vanmaren@fast.cs.utah.edu, gshaffer@nosc.mil, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Steve Passe stands accused of saying: > > It does appear to be a theme. I have re-built world several times > in last week and have no problems at all. We need to determine what > is common to the failing machines. I suspect we will find something > like NFS or linux compat or ??? is the trigger. So if everyone who > is getting them would documenmt the circumstances we can start to > look for clues... > > Does anyone see these whern NOT running SMP? I have not had any reports of systems panicking inside the emulator, other than the isolated Applixware incident, which nobody seems able to reproduce, and SMP users. > Steve Passe | powered by -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@gsoft.com.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control. (ph) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Unix hardware collector. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-smp Wed May 14 06:52:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA09509 for smp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 06:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rkntws40casa ([207.137.172.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA09502 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 06:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970514064322.00a23100@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 06:43:22 -0700 To: smp@freebsd.org From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: K6 & smp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know if the K6 is fully smp compatible? Please respond, I want to buy some but I don't want to have to bring them back... Thanx, Randy Katz From owner-freebsd-smp Wed May 14 07:41:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA12080 for smp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 07:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA12075 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 07:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.dk.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0wRfE8-0003xkC; Wed, 14 May 97 07:40 PDT Received: from critter (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.dk.tfs.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01760 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 16:38:47 +0200 (CEST) To: smp@freebsd.org Subject: Intel Providence From: Poul-Henning Kamp Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 16:38:47 +0200 Message-ID: <1758.863620727@critter> Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just ordered one of these with 2xPP200 in it. Will report. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-smp Wed May 14 07:42:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA12145 for smp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 07:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (root@cais.com [199.0.216.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA12138 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 07:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earth.mat.net (root@earth.mat.net [205.252.122.1]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA23519; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Journey2.mat.net (journey2.mat.net [205.252.122.116]) by earth.mat.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA29517; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:41:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:41:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: "Randy A. Katz" cc: smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: K6 & smp In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970514064322.00a23100@ccsales.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 May 1997, Randy A. Katz wrote: > Does anyone know if the K6 is fully smp compatible? Please respond, I want > to buy some but I don't want to have to bring them back... Absolutely NOT! For reasons that have recently been beaten to death on this list, no chips but Intel's will do smp. > > Thanx, > Randy Katz > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-smp Wed May 14 08:13:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA14227 for smp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 08:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rkntws40casa ([207.137.172.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA14222; Wed, 14 May 1997 08:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970514080415.0096ce60@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 08:04:15 -0700 To: Chuck Robey From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: K6 & smp Cc: smp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19970514064322.00a23100@ccsales.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry, just read about APIC At 10:41 AM 5/14/97 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: >On Wed, 14 May 1997, Randy A. Katz wrote: > >> Does anyone know if the K6 is fully smp compatible? Please respond, I want >> to buy some but I don't want to have to bring them back... > >Absolutely NOT! For reasons that have recently been beaten to death on >this list, no chips but Intel's will do smp. > >> >> Thanx, >> Randy Katz >> >> > >----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- >Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data >chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. >9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | >Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD >(301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! >----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > From owner-freebsd-smp Wed May 14 08:35:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA15344 for smp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 08:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cais.cais.com (root@cais.com [199.0.216.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA15339 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 08:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earth.mat.net (root@earth.mat.net [205.252.122.1]) by cais.cais.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA03948; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Journey2.mat.net (journey2.mat.net [205.252.122.116]) by earth.mat.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA05113; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:35:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 11:35:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: "Randy A. Katz" cc: smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: K6 & smp In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970514080415.0096ce60@ccsales.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 May 1997, Randy A. Katz wrote: > Sorry, just read about APIC Hey, I wasn't angry, I just wanted to make sure the data got to you before you bought it. I figured the uppercase rant might catch your attention quicker. There wasn't any reason other than that. > > > At 10:41 AM 5/14/97 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > >On Wed, 14 May 1997, Randy A. Katz wrote: > > > >> Does anyone know if the K6 is fully smp compatible? Please respond, I want > >> to buy some but I don't want to have to bring them back... > > > >Absolutely NOT! For reasons that have recently been beaten to death on > >this list, no chips but Intel's will do smp. > > > >> > >> Thanx, > >> Randy Katz > >> > >> > > > >----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > >Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > >chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. > >9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | > >Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD > >(301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! > >----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-smp Wed May 14 09:35:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA18735 for smp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 09:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18716 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 09:35:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA23040; Wed, 14 May 1997 19:30:54 +0300 (EEST) Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 19:30:54 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: Chuck Robey cc: "Randy A. Katz" , smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: K6 & smp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 May 1997, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 1997, Randy A. Katz wrote: > > > Does anyone know if the K6 is fully smp compatible? Please respond, I want > > to buy some but I don't want to have to bring them back... > > Absolutely NOT! For reasons that have recently been beaten to death on > this list, no chips but Intel's will do smp. Grrr.... No chips but intels can do smp on the *current point of time*. The others (AMD and Cyrix) require you to have a chipset with OpenPIC support for SMP. No SMP OpenPIC boards have been announced yet. Sander > > > > > Thanx, > > Randy Katz > > > > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. > 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | > Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD > (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > From owner-freebsd-smp Wed May 14 10:03:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA20436 for smp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spinner.DIALix.COM (spinner.dialix.com [192.203.228.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20408 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spinner.DIALix.COM (localhost.dialix.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.DIALix.COM with ESMTP id AAA12212; Thu, 15 May 1997 00:54:29 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: <199705141654.AAA12212@spinner.DIALix.COM> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Narvi cc: Chuck Robey , "Randy A. Katz" , smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: K6 & smp In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 May 1997 19:30:54 +0300." Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 00:54:28 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Narvi wrote: > > > On Wed, 14 May 1997, Chuck Robey wrote: > > > On Wed, 14 May 1997, Randy A. Katz wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know if the K6 is fully smp compatible? Please respond, I wan t > > > to buy some but I don't want to have to bring them back... > > > > Absolutely NOT! For reasons that have recently been beaten to death on > > this list, no chips but Intel's will do smp. > > Grrr.... > > No chips but intels can do smp on the *current point of time*. The others > (AMD and Cyrix) require you to have a chipset with OpenPIC support for > SMP. No SMP OpenPIC boards have been announced yet. > > Sander I might add that there is no technical reason why support for OpenPIC cannot be done, it's more a question of developer resources and time than anything. A division of effort is the last thing we need right now... We need to get the support for the relatively common APIC systems up to top notch first. Cheers, -Peter From owner-freebsd-smp Wed May 14 11:48:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA27323 for smp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beauty.vit.gmu.edu (beauty.gmu.edu [129.174.7.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27318 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from susan10@localhost) by beauty.vit.gmu.edu (8.7.5/8.6.9) id OAA09091 for freebsd-smp@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:30:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Billcotti Message-Id: <199705141830.OAA09091@beauty.vit.gmu.edu> To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 14:30:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk subscribe freebsd-smp From owner-freebsd-smp Wed May 14 13:15:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01825 for smp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 13:15:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from joebob.ins.gte.com (joebob.ins.gte.com [206.124.66.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01753 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 13:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwtx03.ins.gte.com (dfwtx03.ins.gte.com [206.124.66.249]) by joebob.ins.gte.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA04534 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 15:11:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dfwtx03.ins.gte.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BC6079.28E31010@dfwtx03.ins.gte.com>; Wed, 14 May 1997 15:11:55 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ed Smith To: "'freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 15:11:54 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe freebsd-smp From owner-freebsd-smp Wed May 14 13:44:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA03581 for smp-outgoing; Wed, 14 May 1997 13:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03549 for ; Wed, 14 May 1997 13:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.aegis1.com by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id NAA04280; Wed, 14 May 1997 13:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mercury.aegis1.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC606D.15507F30@mercury.aegis1.com>; Wed, 14 May 1997 13:45:28 -0700 Message-ID: <01BC606D.15507F30@mercury.aegis1.com> From: "Adam J. Bartels" To: "'freebsd-smp@freeBSD.ORG'" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 13:45:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-smp@freeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe freebsd-smp From owner-freebsd-smp Thu May 15 10:46:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03100 for smp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 10:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02832 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 10:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA04320 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 20:45:19 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 20:45:19 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: smp@freebsd.org Subject: HP Netserver 5/100 LS2 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is is supported by FreeBSD-SMP? Has anyone actually used it? Sander PS. Yes I know they are no longer made and P100 isn't stellar. But I am offered it for the price of a P133 desktop... From owner-freebsd-smp Thu May 15 13:12:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA11930 for smp-outgoing; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kvikk.uit.no (kvikk.Uit.No [129.242.4.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11923 for ; Thu, 15 May 1997 13:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sprint.cc.uit.no (sprint.Cc.Uit.No [129.242.5.198]) by kvikk.uit.no (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05317; Thu, 15 May 1997 22:11:55 +0200 (METDST) Received: from slibo.cc.uit.no (slibo.Cc.Uit.No [129.242.5.36]) by sprint.cc.uit.no (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00216; Thu, 15 May 1997 22:11:54 +0200 (METDST) Received: from localhost (terjem@localhost) by slibo.cc.uit.no (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA15723; Thu, 15 May 1997 22:11:53 +0200 (METDST) Message-Id: <199705152011.WAA15723@slibo.cc.uit.no> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Narvi cc: smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HP Netserver 5/100 LS2 In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 May 1997 20:45:19 METDST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 22:11:53 +0200 From: Terje Normann Marthinussen Sender: owner-smp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >Is is supported by FreeBSD-SMP? Has anyone actually used it? Using it on a Netserver 5/133 LS4 which should be more or less the same computer? There is a "minor" problem though that I should have fixed long time ago though. FreeBSD dosn't support the PCI-PCI bridge in it, so it's unable to find the SCSI controllers that is on the second PCI bus. The hack I use at the moment is to manually bounce the pciroot variable in pci.c from 1 to 2. From: pciroots = 1; while (pciroots--) { To: pciroots = 2; while (pciroots--) { This isn't nice at all, at would probably give not help you much if you need to put any pci cards with a pci bridge in the machine. But otherwise it works. The problem is to get thing installed the first time. You'll need to plug some other scsi controller in the first pci bus, or to compile a install disk on some other machine, og like me, install the entire OS on another machine and then move the disk. Terje Marthinussen terjem@cc.uit.no From owner-freebsd-smp Sat May 17 13:22:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA09359 for smp-outgoing; Sat, 17 May 1997 13:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mpress.com (mpress.com [208.138.29.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA09340 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 13:22:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10689 invoked by uid 100); 17 May 1997 20:22:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19970517132213.46651@mpress.com> Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 13:22:13 -0700 From: Brian Litzinger To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: A freeze up on -current, -smp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 Sender: owner-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk my Tyan S1668 Dual PP150 mostly froze. The system was not entirely looked up. It responded to pings and the keyboard num_lock, caps_lock lights would change if I pressed the keys. However, it did not respond to ctrl-alt-del. top happened to be running when it froze: last pid: 11401; load averages: 8.40, 4.95, 3.96 20:02:32 62 processes: 11 running, 51 sleeping CPU states: 1.1% user, 0.0% nice, 98.9% system, 0.0% interrupt, 0.0% idle Mem: 33M Active, 5632K Inact, 15M Wired, 7184K Cache, 7595K Buf, 540K Free Swap: PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 3693 brian 34 0 13236K 4752K RUN 1 46.2H 2.82% 2.82% netsca 3786 brian 33 0 13836K 5296K RUN 1 44.3H 2.78% 2.78% netsca 203 brian 32 0 14080K 5716K CPU0 0 47.4H 2.48% 2.48% netsca 3966 brian 31 0 15204K 6764K RUN 1 53:47 0.80% 0.80% netsca 3964 root 2 0 1012K 828K select1 9:28 0.50% 0.50% sshd 11393 root 30 0 1648K 552K RUN 1 0:01 0.04% 0.04% cc1 11400 root 30 0 1272K 140K RUN 1 0:00 0.07% 0.04% cc1 11397 root 29 0 812K 440K CPU1 1 0:01 0.00% 0.00% top 11384 root 30 0 2352K 1256K RUN 1 0:02 0.00% 0.00% cc1 11399 root 30 0 300K 216K RUN 1 0:00 0.00% 0.00% cpp 11401 root 30 0 244K 128K RUN 1 0:00 0.00% 0.00% as 11390 root 29 0 2248K 1264K RUN 1 0:02 0.00% 0.00% cc1 I was building a kernel with make -j 4, and running a few copies of netscape. The netscapes were sitting idle. my home directory is mounted via NFS from another machine, however, /usr/src is local to the machine. before the lockup the system had been running for about 4 days. I'm going to checkout the memory. It is relatively new 60ns stuff, but you never know. -- Brian Litzinger brian@mediacity.com