From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 19 04:10:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA02419 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 04:10:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA02408 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 04:10:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24774; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 12:05:32 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199710191105.MAA24774@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Chris Dillon cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Making a release... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Oct 1997 19:52:41 -0000." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 12:05:31 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've looked through the handbook and can't find out just HOW to make a > release. Looking through /usr/src/release/Makefile got me on the right > path, but I still can't get it to work. Lets say, for instance, i want to > make a release relative to /usr/RELEASE, and call it 2.2.5-BETA. I use > cvsup, if that matters, to update the source tree almost daily. [.....] Check out http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/custrel.html It's a fine line dividing the FAQ & the handbook. > --- Chris Dillon > --- cdillon@tri-lakes.net > --- Powered by FreeBSD, the best free OS on the planet > ---- (http://www.freebsd.org) -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 19 05:19:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA04457 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 05:19:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com (emout17.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA04451 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 05:19:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Hetzels@aol.com) From: Hetzels@aol.com Received: (from root@localhost) by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA16749; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 08:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 08:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <971019081844_-1428299526@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: cdillon@tri-lakes.net, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Making a release... Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-10-18 21:48:39 EDT, cdillon@tri-lakes.net writes: > > On the command line, the CHROOTDIR, BUILDNAME, RELEASETAG, and CVSROOT can > and/or need to be set. CHROOTDIR and BUILDNAME are rather > self-explanatory. The last to are not, to me at least. > > I've tried this and it doesn't work: > make release CHROOTDIR=/usr/RELEASE BUILDNAME=2.2.5-BETA > RELEASETAG=RELENG_2_2 CVSROOT=/usr > > It failed on something like "/usr/CVSROOT does not exist". Hmm.. I think > I'll try CVSROOT=/ next time.. anyway.. More detailed instructions from Don't, CVSROOT is used to indicate where your cvs repository is located. While RELEASETAG, is a tag in the cvs repository, which indicates the branch the sources should come from. Check the man pages on cvs. Scot From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 19 14:56:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA04044 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 14:56:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from pandora.hh.kew.com (root@kendra.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.53.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA04039 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 14:56:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ahd@kew.com) Received: from sonata (sonata.hh.kew.com [192.195.203.135]) by pandora.hh.kew.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA05833; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <344A81FA.5E5194AB@kew.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:56:10 -0400 From: Drew Derbyshire Organization: Kendra Electronic Wonderworks, Stoneham MA 02180 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chad@dcfinc.com CC: Don Lewis , root@eyelab.psy.msu.edu, dkelly@hiwaay.net, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anti-spam sendmail in 2.2.5? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199710170228.TAA02679@freebie.dcfinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chad R. Larson wrote: > The biggest problem is the places where the name of the system as > reported by HELO and it's name as reported by DNS can legitimately > differ. For example, mail that has been through a proxy server, or a > NAT. That's why it's "under consideration", instead of implemented. We > might be evaluating the lessor of two evils. There a number of reasons for the names to differ; my mail hub announces itself as pandora.hh.kew.com (which is one of its addresses), but being a multi-homed host most remote sites see it as kendra.ne.mediaone.net -- a name I do accept but never generate, prefering kendra.net.kew.com, which is a DNS hack on my part. So that rule might be overly strict. -ahd- -- Internet: ahd@kew.com Voice: 781-279-9812 "I have PMS and root password. Don't mess with me." - NetMeg From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 19 15:30:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA05723 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from bob.tri-lakes.net ([207.3.81.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA05675 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:29:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdillon@tri-lakes.net) Received: from [207.3.81.149] by bob.tri-lakes.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id na306787 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:29:57 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:20:00 -0000 (GMT) From: Chris Dillon To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Making a release... Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks to all of you who have replied to my plea for help so far. Jordan was the first to point out to me that I actually needed a local CVS repository, and yet another person pointed out that I needed cvsup to get it (which I do have). After I spent a while reading cvsup's manual page I found out all I had to do was remove the "tag" lines out of my cvsupfile to put it in CVS mode as opposed to CHECKOUT mode. The repository is building up as I type, and hopefully I'll be able to test this out tonight. Thanks again. :-) By the way, ports-all and doc-all still have a tag of ".", can I remove this tag, or should it stay? (I vaguely remember hearing that something bad might happen if they got removed.) --- Chris Dillon --- cdillon@tri-lakes.net --- Powered by FreeBSD, the best free OS on the planet. ---- (http://www.freebsd.org) From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 19 17:10:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA10890 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:10:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from mail.inconnect.com (mail.inconnect.com [207.173.163.7] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA10881 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:10:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gribnif@inconnect.com) Received: (qmail 8613 invoked from network); 20 Oct 1997 00:07:26 -0000 Received: from www.wasatchrecreation.com (HELO ultra1) (209.140.65.101) by mail.inconnect.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 1997 00:07:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:07:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Jason Morrow X-Sender: gribnif@ultra1 To: stable@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Next release Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk when will 2.2.5 be released as current? -- Jason Morrow | UNIX, MS-Dos and Windows gribnif@inconnect.com | (the good, the bad and the ugly...) From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 19 17:38:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA12766 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:38:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from mail.uniserve.com (dns1-van.uniserve.com [204.244.163.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA12759; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:38:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.210.252] by mail.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0xN5r7-0007Ky-00; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:38:01 -0700 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:37:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Jason Morrow cc: stable@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Next release In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Jason Morrow wrote: > when will 2.2.5 be released as current? 2.2.5 will be released in 2 days. Jordon has been posting regular updates, so I'm not why you missed them. I don't understand, "released as current". > -- > Jason Morrow | UNIX, MS-Dos and Windows > gribnif@inconnect.com | (the good, the bad and the ugly...) Tom From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 19 18:05:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA14303 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:05:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from bofh.noc.best.net (rone@ennui.org [205.149.163.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA14296 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:05:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rone@bofh.noc.best.net) Received: (from rone@localhost) by bofh.noc.best.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) id SAA20371; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:05:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Echeverri Message-Id: <199710200105.SAA20371@bofh.noc.best.net> Subject: Re: Next release In-Reply-To: from Jason Morrow at "Oct 19, 97 06:07:26 pm" To: gribnif@inconnect.com Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Cc: stable@freebsd.org X-GmbH: Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jason Morrow writes: when will 2.2.5 be released as current? I thought it was -stable, not -current! rone -- Ron Echeverri "What, me pithy?" +-+ Systems/Usenet Administration Mountain View ->b | Best Internet Communications, Inc. \ \ \_| From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 19 21:42:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA26125 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:42:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA26117 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:42:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00466; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710200442.VAA00466@austin.polstra.com> To: cdillon@tri-lakes.net Subject: Re: Making a release... In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: stable@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:42:06 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article , Chris Dillon wrote: > After I spent a while reading cvsup's manual > page I found out all I had to do was remove the "tag" lines out of my > cvsupfile to put it in CVS mode as opposed to CHECKOUT mode. Yup, that's exactly right. > By the way, ports-all and doc-all still have a tag of ".", can I remove > this tag, or should it stay? (I vaguely remember hearing that something > bad might happen if they got removed.) The something bad you're remembering is probably if you try to set the tag to something else, like RELENG_2_2. That will promptly delete your ports and docs, because they aren't tagged the same way as the main source tree. The "." tag is valid for all the collections that originally came out of the CVS repository. So the question is: Do you want to ... * Have the ports and docs in source form ==> keep the ``tag=.'', or * Have the ports and docs in CVS repository form ==> get rid of the ``tag=.''. Note, if you do decide to get rid of the tag clause, you will probably want to also change your "prefix" setting to some other directory, so that your CVS files don't get mixed together with your old text-form sources. The prefix for ports and docs should be the same one that you set for your "src-*" collections in CVS form. The standard prefix is "/home/ncvs" but it doesn't really matter what you use. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 19 21:47:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA26475 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:47:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from ns.mexcom.net (ns.mexcom.net [206.103.64.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA26468 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:47:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@mexcom.net) Received: from mc.mexcom.net (ppp-8.mexcom.net [206.103.65.200]) by ns.mexcom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA21179 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:44:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <344AE335.31DFF4F5@mexcom.net> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:51:01 -0500 From: eculp Organization: MexCom X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-970912-SNAP i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Making a release... References: <199710191105.MAA24774@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Somers wrote: > > > I've looked through the handbook and can't find out just HOW to make a > > release. Looking through /usr/src/release/Makefile got me on the right > > path, but I still can't get it to work. Lets say, for instance, i want to > > make a release relative to /usr/RELEASE, and call it 2.2.5-BETA. I use > > cvsup, if that matters, to update the source tree almost daily. > [.....] > > Check out http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/custrel.html > > It's a fine line dividing the FAQ & the handbook. > > > --- Chris Dillon > > --- cdillon@tri-lakes.net > > --- Powered by FreeBSD, the best free OS on the planet > > ---- (http://www.freebsd.org) > > -- > Brian , , > > Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... I tried to follow the directions, but must have done something wrong because after doing the following: cvsup -g -L 2 cvs-supfile make world export CVSROOT=/usr/src make release BUILDNAME=3.0-local CHROOTDIR=/squid1 I got the following error. mkdir /squid1//bootstrap for i in /sbin/mount /sbin/umount /usr/bin/cpio ; do cp -p /squid1$i /squid1//bootstrap ; done cd /squid1/usr && rm -rf src && cvs -d /usr/src co -P src cvs [checkout aborted]: /usr/src/CVSROOT: No such file or directory *** Error code 1 Stop. Thank you for your patience. ed From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 19 22:15:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA27884 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:15:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from ns.mexcom.net (ns.mexcom.net [206.103.64.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA27879 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:15:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@mexcom.net) Received: from mc.mexcom.net (ppp-8.mexcom.net [206.103.65.200]) by ns.mexcom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA00895 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:12:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <344AE9AF.237C228A@mexcom.net> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:18:40 -0500 From: eculp Organization: MexCom X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-970912-SNAP i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Making a release... References: <199710191105.MAA24774@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> <344AE335.31DFF4F5@mexcom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk eculp wrote: > > Brian Somers wrote: > > > > > I've looked through the handbook and can't find out just HOW to make a > > > release. Looking through /usr/src/release/Makefile got me on the right > > > path, but I still can't get it to work. Lets say, for instance, i want to > > > make a release relative to /usr/RELEASE, and call it 2.2.5-BETA. I use > > > cvsup, if that matters, to update the source tree almost daily. > > [.....] > > > > Check out http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/custrel.html > > > > It's a fine line dividing the FAQ & the handbook. > > > > > --- Chris Dillon > > > --- cdillon@tri-lakes.net > > > --- Powered by FreeBSD, the best free OS on the planet > > > ---- (http://www.freebsd.org) > > > > -- > > Brian , , > > > > Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... > > I tried to follow the directions, but must have done something wrong > because > after doing the following: > > cvsup -g -L 2 cvs-supfile > make world > export CVSROOT=/usr/src > make release BUILDNAME=3.0-local CHROOTDIR=/squid1 > > I got the following error. > > mkdir /squid1//bootstrap > for i in /sbin/mount /sbin/umount /usr/bin/cpio ; do cp -p /squid1$i > /squid1//bootstrap ; done > cd /squid1/usr && rm -rf src && cvs -d /usr/src co -P src > > cvs [checkout aborted]: /usr/src/CVSROOT: No such file or directory > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > > Thank you for your patience. > > ed I made a directory CVSROOT and now have a new error: cd /squid1/usr && rm -rf src && cvs -d /usr/src co -P src cvs checkout: cannot find module `src' - ignored *** Error code 1 Tomorrow is a new day :-) Thanks ed From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 19 23:10:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA00924 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:10:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.2.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA00906; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:10:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freebie.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.3/8.8.3a) id XAA07989; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:09:44 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199710200609.XAA07989@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Next release To: tom@uniserve.com (Tom) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:09:42 -0700 (MST) Cc: gribnif@inconnect.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from Tom at "Oct 19, 97 05:37:56 pm" Reply-to: chad@dcfinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Jason Morrow wrote: > > when will 2.2.5 be released as current? > 2.2.5 will be released in 2 days. Jordon has been posting regular > updates, so I'm not why you missed them. And how much later should we expect our Walnut Creek subscriptions to deliver? -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-953-1392 chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com crl22@aol.com DCF, Inc. - 14523 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254 From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Oct 19 23:21:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA01448 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:21:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from mail.uniserve.com (dns1-van.uniserve.com [204.244.163.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA01439 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:20:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.210.252] by mail.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0xNBCn-0001Nx-00; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:20:45 -0700 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:20:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: chad@dcfinc.com cc: gribnif@inconnect.com, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Next release In-Reply-To: <199710200609.XAA07989@freebie.dcfinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Chad R. Larson wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Jason Morrow wrote: > > > when will 2.2.5 be released as current? > > 2.2.5 will be released in 2 days. Jordon has been posting regular > > updates, so I'm not why you missed them. > > And how much later should we expect our Walnut Creek subscriptions > to deliver? Gee, I don't know. Perhaps Jordan said in this annoucements. I don't get a subscription, so I don't care. Seems like something you should address to sales@cdrom.com > -crl > -- > Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? > 602-953-1392 chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com crl22@aol.com > DCF, Inc. - 14523 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254 > > Tom From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 20 00:16:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA04397 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:16:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br ([146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA04371 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:15:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA20550 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 05:15:55 -0200 (EDT) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199710200715.FAA20550@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: ppp: RecvEchoReq: his magic is bad!! To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 05:15:55 -0200 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I've upgrade (cvsup+make world) to last week's -stable, and now ppp keeps giving this error continuously in one site I use to connect: RecvEchoReq: his magic is bad!! RecvEchoReq: his magic is bad!! RecvEchoReq: his magic is bad!! There's no problem with the connection itself. This mail is beeing sent from it, indeed. :) But it's really a strange error. The access server I'm connected to is a CISCO 2500 series, with IOS 10.2(2). Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 20 00:26:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA05042 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:26:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA05015; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:25:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA24022; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710200728.AAA24022@implode.root.com> To: chad@dcfinc.com cc: tom@uniserve.com (Tom), gribnif@inconnect.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Next release In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:09:42 PDT." <199710200609.XAA07989@freebie.dcfinc.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:28:26 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Jason Morrow wrote: >> > when will 2.2.5 be released as current? >> 2.2.5 will be released in 2 days. Jordon has been posting regular >> updates, so I'm not why you missed them. > >And how much later should we expect our Walnut Creek subscriptions >to deliver? Probably about 3 weeks, although this is the busy time of year for CDROM replication so predicting this accurately is difficult. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 20 01:30:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA08819 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 01:30:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA08800; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 01:30:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA07879; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 01:30:37 -0700 (PDT) To: chad@dcfinc.com cc: tom@uniserve.com (Tom), gribnif@inconnect.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Next release In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:09:42 PDT." <199710200609.XAA07989@freebie.dcfinc.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 01:30:37 -0700 Message-ID: <7875.877336237@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Jason Morrow wrote: > > > when will 2.2.5 be released as current? > > 2.2.5 will be released in 2 days. Jordon has been posting regular > > updates, so I'm not why you missed them. > > And how much later should we expect our Walnut Creek subscriptions > to deliver? That depends largely on the replicator, over whom we've next to no control. I'm certainly hoping CDs will be back and shipping by the 2nd week of November. Jordan From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 20 12:44:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA14939 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:44:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from jli.com (jli.com [199.2.111.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA14925 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:44:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cumulus!cloud.rain.com!trost@jli.com) Received: from cumulus by jli.com with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0xNNk9-0002UfC; Mon, 20 Oct 97 12:44 PDT Message-Id: To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: can't build libmsun MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <14237.877374128.1@cloud.rain.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:02:09 -0700 From: Bill Trost Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am unable to build this morning's (or last week's) -stable as acquired via CVSup. I have tried throwing away the offending source code and its include file and re-supping it, to no avail. Below is the errors I get: $ MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX="" NOCLEAN=yup nice -22 make buildworld -DNOCLEAN -DNOOBJDIR ... ===> msun cp /mnt/usr/src/lib/msun/i387/e_acos.S i387_e_acos.S ... cc -D_IEEE_LIBM -I/mnt/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c i387_e_acos.S -o i387_e_acos.o i387_e_acos.S: Assembler messages: i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `('. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Expected comma after symbol-name: rest of line ignored. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `('. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Expected comma after symbol-name: rest of line ignored. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `('. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: invalid character '(' in opcode i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Expected comma after symbol-name: rest of line ignored. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `('. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: invalid character '(' in opcode i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Ignoring junk '(__CONCAT(__arch_,__ieee754_acos))' after expression i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `('. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Expected comma after symbol-name: rest of line ignored. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `('. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: invalid character '(' in opcode i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Ignoring junk '(__CONCAT(__arch_,__ieee754_acos))' after expression i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `('. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Expected comma after symbol-name: rest of line ignored. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `('. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: invalid character '(' in opcode *** Error code 1 From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 20 12:56:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA15790 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:56:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from ns.mexcom.net (ns.mexcom.net [206.103.64.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA15778 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:56:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@mexcom.net) Received: from sunix (eculp@sunix.mexcom.net [206.103.64.3]) by ns.mexcom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA10019; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:53:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <344BB755.68FBBD33@mexcom.net> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:56:05 -0500 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates, S.C. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.14 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Making a release... References: <199710200613.PAA01635@word.smith.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mike Smith wrote: > > > eculp wrote: > > > cvs [checkout aborted]: /usr/src/CVSROOT: No such file or directory > ... > > cvs checkout: cannot find module `src' - ignored > > Despite all of the messages on this topic the last few days, and > despite the instructions in the release Makefile, the handbook and the > mailing list archives you still don't get it. > > What do we have to do? Stencil it on your forehead? 8) Yes Please, I feel that I deserve it. If you would be so kind as to use a hammer and chisel and make a mirror image so that I don't forget :-) because after reading the handbook, the FAQ, the Makefile and 51 printed pages of the man entry for cvs, I still can't get a release. > > YOU MUST HAVE A CVS REPOSITORY IN ORDER TO BUILD A RELEASE. > Here is my error for i in /sbin/mount /sbin/umount /usr/bin/cpio ; do cp -p /squid2$i /squid2//bootstrap ; done cd /squid2/usr && rm -rf src && cvs -d /usr/src co -P src cvs checkout: cannot find module `src' - ignored *** Error code 1 Stop. Here's what I am doing. I do exactly as the manual recomends: Manual: *default tag=. *default host=cvsup.FreeBSD.org *default prefix=/usr *default base=/usr/local/etc/cvsup *default release=cvs delete use-rel-suffix compress src-all cvs-crypto My file: *default tag=. *default host=cvsup.FreeBSD.org *default base=/usr/local/etc/cvsup *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs *default delete use-rel-suffix src-all cvs-crypto ports-all With this I do a cvsup -p -L 2 cvs-supfile as the cvs-supfile recomends and I assume that this creates the repository that you mention. I have tried to make release both with and without a make world first with the same results. I loose it at the following line in the Makefile in the release directory. .if !defined(RELEASETAG) cd ${CHROOTDIR}/usr && rm -rf src && \ cvs -d ${CVSROOT} co -P src It seems to want to find the src directory en the $CHROOTDIR/usr that it erased. I have gone into the directory directly and done a check on each directory and it seems to work fine. I'm sure that I have skipped over the result that I will gladly engrave with a hammer and chisel as a mirror image on my forehead if you will just tell me what to engrave :-) thanks ed P.S. I have tried using the environment variables, the CVS Root and Repository variables, and the hard coded ones in the Makefile with the same results. > Once you have such a repository, read the CVS manpages regarding the > use of the CVSROOT variable. > > mike From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 20 14:08:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA20106 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:08:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.2.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA20085; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:08:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freebie.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.3/8.8.3a) id OAA08815; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:06:17 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199710202106.OAA08815@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Next release To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:06:16 -0700 (MST) Cc: chad@dcfinc.com, tom@uniserve.com, gribnif@inconnect.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <7875.877336237@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Oct 20, 97 01:30:37 am" Reply-to: chad@dcfinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Jason Morrow wrote: > > > > when will 2.2.5 be released as current? > > > 2.2.5 will be released in 2 days. Jordon has been posting regular > > > updates, so I'm not why you missed them. > > > > And how much later should we expect our Walnut Creek subscriptions > > to deliver? > > That depends largely on the replicator, over whom we've next to no > control. I'm certainly hoping CDs will be back and shipping by > the 2nd week of November. Just out of curiosity, who is responsible for the duplicating and artwork? Does FreeBSD give a master to a duplicator, and then sell the completed product to Walnut Creek? Or does Walnut Creek get the master? -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-953-1392 chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com crl22@aol.com DCF, Inc. - 14523 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254 From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 20 15:33:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA25147 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:33:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA25129 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:33:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA15264; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:32:17 -0700 (PDT) To: Edwin Culp cc: Mike Smith , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Making a release... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:56:05 CDT." <344BB755.68FBBD33@mexcom.net> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:32:16 -0700 Message-ID: <15257.877386736@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > *default tag=. Remove this. You clearly didn't read the manual closely enough. :) Jordan From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 20 15:35:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA25363 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:35:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA25350 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:35:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA15301; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:33:57 -0700 (PDT) To: chad@dcfinc.com cc: tom@uniserve.com, gribnif@inconnect.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Next release In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:06:16 PDT." <199710202106.OAA08815@freebie.dcfinc.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:33:57 -0700 Message-ID: <15296.877386837@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [Too many mailing lists - watch those cc lines! Trimmed] > Just out of curiosity, who is responsible for the duplicating and > artwork? Does FreeBSD give a master to a duplicator, and then sell the > completed product to Walnut Creek? Or does Walnut Creek get the master? I make the CD one-offs and help WC produce the artwork which goes to film. The one-offs and film then go to a replication house and, some number of days afterwards (usually 10 and sometimes as much as 20), we get back boxes of shrink-wrapped CDs, ready to sell. Jordan From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 20 15:43:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA25754 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:43:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from ns.mexcom.net (ns.mexcom.net [206.103.64.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA25748 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:43:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@mexcom.net) Received: from sunix (eculp@sunix.mexcom.net [206.103.64.3]) by ns.mexcom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA13205; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:39:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <344BDE35.450F6493@mexcom.net> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:41:57 -0500 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates, S.C. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.14 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: Mike Smith , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Making a release... References: <15257.877386736@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > *default tag=. > > Remove this. You clearly didn't read the manual closely enough. :) > > Jordan Something so simple. It now seems to be doing what it should. Thank you very much. I will immediately stencil it on my forehead:-) Thanks again Ed From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 20 16:09:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA26999 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:09:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA26993 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:09:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA11352; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:33:51 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199710202233.XAA11352@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: eculp cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Making a release... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:51:01 CDT." <344AE335.31DFF4F5@mexcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:33:51 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [.....] > cvs [checkout aborted]: /usr/src/CVSROOT: No such file or directory > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > > Thank you for your patience. CVSROOT should point at the root cvs directory - normally /home/ncvs. This is the same as your "*default base" in your cvsup file, not your source directory. > ed -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 20 16:11:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA27309 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:11:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA27277 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:11:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA11366; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:35:58 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199710202235.XAA11366@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ppp: RecvEchoReq: his magic is bad!! In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Oct 1997 05:15:55 -0200." <199710200715.FAA20550@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:35:58 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, > > I've upgrade (cvsup+make world) to last week's -stable, and now ppp > keeps giving this error continuously in one site I use to connect: > > RecvEchoReq: his magic is bad!! > RecvEchoReq: his magic is bad!! > RecvEchoReq: his magic is bad!! > > There's no problem with the connection itself. This mail is beeing > sent from it, indeed. :) But it's really a strange error. > > The access server I'm connected to is a CISCO 2500 series, with IOS > 10.2(2). Yeuch. Does "set openmode passive" help ? Are you seeing any magic dups in your LCP logs ? If so, this is a FAQ http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/userppp.html > Jonny > > -- > Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br > +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br > Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI > PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 20 16:44:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA29194 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:44:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp20.portal.net.au [202.12.71.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA29189 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:44:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02484; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:10:22 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199710202340.JAA02484@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Edwin Culp cc: Mike Smith , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Making a release... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:56:05 EST." <344BB755.68FBBD33@mexcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:10:18 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > eculp wrote: > > > > cvs [checkout aborted]: /usr/src/CVSROOT: No such file or directory Hasn't this given it away to you yet? > > What do we have to do? Stencil it on your forehead? 8) > > Yes Please, I feel that I deserve it. If you would be so kind as to use > a hammer and chisel and make a mirror image so that I don't forget :-) > because after reading the handbook, the FAQ, the Makefile and 51 printed > pages of the man entry for cvs, I still can't get a release. > > > > > YOU MUST HAVE A CVS REPOSITORY IN ORDER TO BUILD A RELEASE. > > > Here is my error > > for i in /sbin/mount /sbin/umount /usr/bin/cpio ; do cp -p /squid2$i > /squid2//bootstrap ; done > cd /squid2/usr && rm -rf src && cvs -d /usr/src co -P src > cvs checkout: cannot find module `src' - ignored See here. These are error messages from a program called 'cvs'. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > > Here's what I am doing. > I do exactly as the manual recomends: > Manual: > *default tag=. > *default host=cvsup.FreeBSD.org This is the configuration for a program called 'CVSup'. > With this I do a cvsup -p -L 2 cvs-supfile as the cvs-supfile recomends > and I assume that this creates the repository that you mention. No, it does not. You are bringing down the source tree; witness the fact that you are then able to compile it. > I'm sure that I have skipped over the result that I will gladly engrave > with a hammer and chisel as a mirror image on my forehead if you will > just tell me what to engrave :-) Get a copy of the CVS repository. DO NOT put it in /usr/src. If you have successfully completed a 'make world', there are CVSup examples in /usr/share/examples which clearly detail the differences between bringing down the head of the tree (what you are doing now) and the repository. Check out a copy of the source on the RELENG_2_2 tag into /usr/src. Set your CVSROOT variable to the location of the repository. Build the release as before (you appear to have most of it right). You will probably want to set NOPORTS as well. mike (I'm trying very hard to have you work this out yourself, as it seems to be the only way to guarantee that new knowledge sticks 8) From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 20 18:48:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA07938 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:48:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.2.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA07933 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:48:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freebie.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.3/8.8.3a) id SAA09134 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:47:51 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199710210147.SAA09134@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: Win95 file system To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:47:49 -0700 (MST) Reply-to: chad@dcfinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If I build a dual-boot system (Win95 and FreeBSD), will I be able to manipulate the Messy-DOS partition from within FreeBSD? That is, does the "msdos" filesystem type support long file names and extended attributes? -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-953-1392 chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com crl22@aol.com DCF, Inc. - 14523 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254 From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 20 20:13:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA12691 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:13:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from bob.tri-lakes.net ([207.3.81.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA12684 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:13:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdillon@tri-lakes.net) Received: from [207.3.81.140] by bob.tri-lakes.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ha308289 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:13:11 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199710200442.VAA00466@austin.polstra.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:04:32 -0000 (GMT) From: Chris Dillon To: John Polstra Subject: Re: Making a release... Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 20-Oct-97 John Polstra wrote: >The something bad you're remembering is probably if you try to set >the tag to something else, like RELENG_2_2. That will promptly >delete your ports and docs, because they aren't tagged the same way >as the main source tree. > >The "." tag is valid for all the collections that originally came >out of the CVS repository. So the question is: Do you want to ... Yup.. thats it. > >* Have the ports and docs in source form ==> keep the ``tag=.'', or > >* Have the ports and docs in CVS repository form ==> get rid of the > ``tag=.''. > >Note, if you do decide to get rid of the tag clause, you will probably >want to also change your "prefix" setting to some other directory, so >that your CVS files don't get mixed together with your old text-form >sources. The prefix for ports and docs should be the same one that >you set for your "src-*" collections in CVS form. The standard prefix >is "/home/ncvs" but it doesn't really matter what you use. Which would be better in this case? The CVS repository for the ports and docs isn't required for making the release, is it? I'm rather short on drive space anyway. I hope I will still have enough to build the release after the repository is on here. What IS the size requirement for making a 2.2.5 release, anyway? The manual just says approximately 600MB, but I'm hoping it could be less (I'll have to do some serious drive cleanup). All I really need is the FTP distribution. --- Chris Dillon --- cdillon@tri-lakes.net --- Powered by FreeBSD, the best free OS on the planet. ---- (http://www.freebsd.org) From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 20 20:29:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA13790 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:29:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from norden1.com (norden1.com [192.153.35.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA13785 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:29:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sleep@insomnia.norden1.com) Received: from insomnia.norden1.com (insomnia.norden1.com [192.153.35.136]) by norden1.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA10214; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sleep@localhost) by insomnia.norden1.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA00394; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:29:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "James A. Mutter" To: chad@dcfinc.com cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Win95 file system In-Reply-To: <199710210147.SAA09134@freebie.dcfinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > If I build a dual-boot system (Win95 and FreeBSD), will I be able to > manipulate the Messy-DOS partition from within FreeBSD? That is, does > the "msdos" filesystem type support long file names and extended > attributes? > > -crl Chad, a couple of things here. Just to be nitpicky - the MSDOS filesystem does not support long file names, thats the VFAT file system. Linux has support for VFAT, I'm not too sure about FreeBSD. The attributes from the non-FreeBSD side ( MSDOS or VFAT ) will not be preserved, at least I don't think they will. :/ From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Oct 20 22:17:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA19587 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:17:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from pooh.cdrom.com (pooh.cdrom.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA19582 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:17:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@pooh.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (murray@localhost) by pooh.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA18609; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:15:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Murray Stokely To: "Chad R. Larson" cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Win95 file system In-Reply-To: <199710210147.SAA09134@freebie.dcfinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk FreeBSD can't handle FAT32. So when you are installing Windows 95, if it asks you if you'd like special support for partitions over 2 gigs (fat32) choose NO. It should handle normal windows 95 partitions just fine though. I believe it shows long filenames with their 8.3 counterparts (filena~1.ext) but I may be wrong. This sounds like a question for -questions ;) On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Chad R. Larson wrote: % If I build a dual-boot system (Win95 and FreeBSD), will I be able to % manipulate the Messy-DOS partition from within FreeBSD? That is, does % the "msdos" filesystem type support long file names and extended % attributes? % % -crl % -- % Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? % 602-953-1392 chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com crl22@aol.com % DCF, Inc. - 14523 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254 % Murray Stokely From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 21 00:22:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA25423 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:22:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from spokane.vmunix.com (mmayo.neon.sentex.ca [207.245.212.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA25415 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:22:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@spokane.vmunix.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by spokane.vmunix.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA02321; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 03:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19971021032416.51400@vmunix.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 03:24:16 -0400 From: Mark Mayo To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: PNP and new Sound code ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Wasn't Luigi's new PnP / Sound driver supposed to make it into 2.2.5? I just cvsupp'ed and I don't see it anywhere... There should be a /sys/i386/isa/pnp.[ch] and a "snd" directory, no? -Mark -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Win95/NT - 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -UGU From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 21 00:52:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA27412 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:52:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc8.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA27388 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:52:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thomas@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de) Received: from ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de [134.130.90.6]) by ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA16149; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:51:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from thomas@localhost) by ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id JAA14409; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:51:45 +0200 (CEST) To: Mark Mayo Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PNP and new Sound code ? References: <19971021032416.51400@vmunix.com> From: Thomas Gellekum Date: 21 Oct 1997 09:51:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: Mark Mayo's message of Tue, 21 Oct 1997 03:24:16 -0400 Message-ID: <87wwj7d04w.fsf@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/XEmacs 19.15 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mark Mayo writes: > Wasn't Luigi's new PnP / Sound driver supposed to make it into > 2.2.5? I just cvsupp'ed and I don't see it anywhere... > There should be a /sys/i386/isa/pnp.[ch] and a "snd" directory, > no? No. I hope it's in xperimnt (or whatever this is called) and I'd really like to bring at least the PnP support over to 2.2-STABLE after the release (I don't care for sound). tg From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 21 00:58:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA27842 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:58:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (root@mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA27836 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:58:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michaelv@MindBender.serv.net) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA00715; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710210855.BAA00715@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Murray Stokely cc: "Chad R. Larson" , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Win95 file system In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 20 Oct 97 22:15:34 -0700. Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:55:10 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > FreeBSD can't handle FAT32. So when you are installing Windows 95, >if it asks you if you'd like special support for partitions over 2 >gigs (fat32) choose NO. It should handle normal windows 95 partitions >just fine though. I believe it shows long filenames with their 8.3 >counterparts (filena~1.ext) but I may be wrong. This sounds like a >question for -questions ;) For what it's worth, if FreeBSD's msdosfs doesn't currently handle long filenames, I know that NetBSD's does. It might be worth pulling over... >On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Chad R. Larson wrote: >% If I build a dual-boot system (Win95 and FreeBSD), will I be able to >% manipulate the Messy-DOS partition from within FreeBSD? That is, does >% the "msdos" filesystem type support long file names and extended >% attributes? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 21 01:12:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA28518 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:12:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA28324 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:08:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id HAA20480; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 07:50:37 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199710210650.HAA20480@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: PNP and new Sound code ? To: mark@vmunix.com (Mark Mayo) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 07:50:37 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19971021032416.51400@vmunix.com> from "Mark Mayo" at Oct 21, 97 03:23:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Wasn't Luigi's new PnP / Sound driver supposed to make it into > 2.2.5? I just cvsupp'ed and I don't see it anywhere... > There should be a /sys/i386/isa/pnp.[ch] and a "snd" directory, it was discussed but did not make into 2.2.5 -- the relevant bits are somewhere in xperimnt/ (and will be on the 2.2.5 CD) or on my web page http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/FreeBSD.html Unfortunately I am still doing some development, particularly on the sound code, so people who have net access should preferably try to fetch the latest code than use the CD. Cheers Luigi From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 21 01:54:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA00909 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:54:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA00903 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:54:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost.gsoft.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA00578; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:20:37 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199710210850.SAA00578@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Thomas Gellekum cc: Mark Mayo , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PNP and new Sound code ? In-reply-to: Your message of "21 Oct 1997 09:51:43 +0200." <87wwj7d04w.fsf@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:20:37 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Mark Mayo writes: > > > Wasn't Luigi's new PnP / Sound driver supposed to make it into > > 2.2.5? I just cvsupp'ed and I don't see it anywhere... > > There should be a /sys/i386/isa/pnp.[ch] and a "snd" directory, > > no? No. It's far too raw for that. > No. I hope it's in xperimnt (or whatever this is called) and I'd > really like to bring at least the PnP support over to 2.2-STABLE after > the release (I don't care for sound). I don't think that would be a smart idea at all. The most recent changes appear to have broken it on -current, and the code is certainly far far away from being ready for a production-level system. mike From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 21 03:11:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA04836 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 03:11:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA04664 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 03:06:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id JAA20825; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:46:41 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199710210846.JAA20825@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: PNP and new Sound code ? To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:46:40 +0100 (MET) Cc: tg@ihf.rwth-aachen.de, mark@vmunix.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199710210850.SAA00578@word.smith.net.au> from "Mike Smith" at Oct 21, 97 06:20:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > No. I hope it's in xperimnt (or whatever this is called) and I'd > > really like to bring at least the PnP support over to 2.2-STABLE after > > the release (I don't care for sound). > > I don't think that would be a smart idea at all. The most recent > changes appear to have broken it on -current, and the code is certainly > far far away from being ready for a production-level system. [WARNING: People, don't thing this is a personal debate with Mike, whose work and opinion I highly respect and I am sure the same holds for him. I am just taking this chance for showing my position about -STABLE] May I ask what kind of brokennes you are talking about ? If you refer to the message that Jordan sent out some time ago, he promptly took it back saying that it had nothing to do with the cancelled 3.0 snap. I am well aware that my PnP code, as it is now, is not more than a manual configuration utility for ISA-PnP cards. It does not want to do more, by design and lack of energy on my side. In particular, it does not want to be a solution to the problem of resource allocation. This does not mean that it is unusable (maybe with minor patches, or a little bit more of documentation, if the one that i have already written is not enough) on a production system. We have many many pieces of code in the source tree, even in -stable, which are far away from being optimal solutions to the problems they should solve. If we went for the "optimal or nothing" road, we would not have support for many devices which are now in (ATAPI CD, Voxware 3.0 sound, gpib, ...), we would not have many broken pieces of code inherited from 4.4 or older version of FreeBSD, we would not have hacks which use the "flags" field in the kernel config file, etc. etc. Really I am not particularly concerned with the PnP stuff, but at times have the feeling that some positions are too conservative. I think similar positions have come out over the years regarding other things, such as ATAPI CD, or IDE disks, or the "de" driver, and I have been always disappointed in seeing these discussions. There is a market we should look at, not perhaps as a first goal, but we cannot ignore it. If there are many PnP devices around, we should at least try to support them, or people will migrate elsewhere (to other OS, or to other hardware). Just as a data point. During the last three months I have tried to support both the PnP and the audio driver. Of the about 500 messages I have saved in my mailbox, only a negligible fraction of them refers to PnP problems, which means that either people did not have problem with that code, or did not use it (but i doubt that my audio driver even compiles without the PnP code). Cheers Luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 21 03:16:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA05154 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 03:16:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA05149 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 03:16:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA28908; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 03:15:44 -0700 (PDT) To: Mark Mayo cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PNP and new Sound code ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Oct 1997 03:24:16 EDT." <19971021032416.51400@vmunix.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 03:15:43 -0700 Message-ID: <28904.877428943@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Wasn't Luigi's new PnP / Sound driver supposed to make it into > 2.2.5? I just cvsupp'ed and I don't see it anywhere... Nope. It's in with the experimental bits though. Jordan From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 21 04:09:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA07434 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 04:09:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc8.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA07426 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 04:09:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thomas@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de) Received: from ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de [134.130.90.6]) by ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA16485; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:08:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from thomas@localhost) by ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id NAA19724; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:08:44 +0200 (CEST) To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), tg@ihf.rwth-aachen.de, mark@vmunix.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PNP and new Sound code ? References: <199710210846.JAA20825@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> From: Thomas Gellekum Date: 21 Oct 1997 13:08:42 +0200 In-Reply-To: Luigi Rizzo's message of Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:46:40 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <87u3ebcr0l.fsf@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.37/XEmacs 19.15 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Luigi Rizzo writes: > I am well aware that my PnP code, as it is now, is not more than > a manual configuration utility for ISA-PnP cards. It does not want > to do more, by design and lack of energy on my side. In particular, it > does not want to be a solution to the problem of resource allocation. > > This does not mean that it is unusable (maybe with minor patches, > or a little bit more of documentation, if the one that i have > already written is not enough) on a production system. I second that. I have no idea about the state of the audio code, but the PnP stuff seems to work fine and, to repeat myself, I'd really like to see that in -stable. Now that Jörg told me about /kernel.config even the manual configuration is not too bad. tg From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 21 07:56:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA16782 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 07:56:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from zeus.xtalwind.net (serial.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA16772 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 07:56:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jack@diamond.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (zeus.xtalwind.net [127.0.0.1]) by zeus.xtalwind.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA17950 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:56:03 -0400 (EDT) From: jack X-Sender: jack@zeus.xtalwind.net To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: 2.2.5 and DES Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sure would have been nice to get a heads-up that as of last night cvsup of the tree would blow away everything in src/secure. :( Especially for those of us converts from BSDi who are still using BSDi's DES encrypted password files. Any known problems from using the DES code from the 2.2.2 CD with 2.2.5? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Finger jacko@diamond.xtalwind.net or jack@xtalwind.net http://www.xtalwind.net/~jacko/pubpgp.html #include for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 21 09:45:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA23570 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:45:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from wall.jhs.no_domain (vector.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA23533; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:44:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhs@wall.jhs.no_domain) Received: from wall.jhs.no_domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wall.jhs.no_domain (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA02754; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:28:46 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199710192028.VAA02754@wall.jhs.no_domain> To: Chris Dillon cc: ports@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with Hylafax From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Email: Home: Customer: X-Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany X-Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ (including PGP key) X-Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany X-Tel: Home: +49.89.268616 Work: +49.89.607.29788 X-Fax: Home: +49.89.2608126 Work: +49.89.607.32158 X-Data: Home: +49.89.26023276 X-Company: Vector Systems Ltd, Unix & Internet Consultants X-Mailer: EXMH 1.6.9 on FreeBSD (Unix) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:42:09 -0000." Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:28:45 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Reference: > From: Chris Dillon > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:42:09 -0000 (GMT) > Message-id: Hi, Chris Dillon wrote: > Not sure if this is a stable or a ports problem, so I sent to both. We have a list specifically for discussion of Hylafax on FreeBSD (& it's non version specific), so I'm relaying these to Also relayed were: Message-id: From: Chris Dillon Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:53:37 -0000 (GMT) Message-id: From: Chris Dillon Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:12:11 -0000 (GMT) Message-id: <22272.877052840@coconut.itojun.org> From: itojun@itojun.org Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:47:20 +0900 Message-id: <24451.877061212@coconut.itojun.org> From: itojun@itojun.org Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:06:52 +0900 Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 21 10:43:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA27797 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:43:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from tera.com (tera.tera.com [207.108.223.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA27789 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:43:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@tera.com) Received: from athena.tera.com (athena.tera.com [207.108.223.153]) by tera.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA16476; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:42:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Kline Received: (from kline@localhost) by athena.tera.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA07203; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:41:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710211741.KAA07203@athena.tera.com> Subject: Re: PNP and new Sound code ? In-Reply-To: <199710210846.JAA20825@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from Luigi Rizzo at "Oct 21, 97 09:46:40 am" To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:41:51 -0700 (PDT) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, tg@ihf.rwth-aachen.de, mark@vmunix.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL23 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Luigi Rizzo: > > Really I am not particularly concerned with the PnP stuff, but at > times have the feeling that some positions are too conservative. I > think similar positions have come out over the years regarding other > things, such as ATAPI CD, or IDE disks, or the "de" driver, and I have > been always disappointed in seeing these discussions. > > There is a market we should look at, not perhaps as a first goal, but > we cannot ignore it. If there are many PnP devices around, we should at > least try to support them, or people will migrate elsewhere (to other > OS, or to other hardware). > A solid Yes to the above. Stability and reliability are critical to any OS worth its salt, and here we shine. The BSD flavors of Unix are at least as stable as anything in the commercial marketplace. At the same time, Luigi raises a key point about the inherent conservatism of *BSD. The more bleeding-edge code that we can have under development the better. These suites can be brought out of their alpha or pre- alpha directories when they have passed several months of heavy pounding. I'm upgrading a huge 386 tower to 6x86 with 5 or 6 gigs. Plan on putting on FBSD, of course, and perhaps even DOS/Win (*ugh*)... Also DebianLinux; it does more. gary kline From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 21 15:32:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA14390 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:32:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from ganymede.frii.com (ganymede.frii.com [208.146.240.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA14385 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:32:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnat@frii.com) From: gnat@frii.com Received: from elara.frii.com (elara.frii.com [208.146.240.9]) by ganymede.frii.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA01944 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:33:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from gnat@localhost) by elara.frii.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA00429; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:31:20 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:31:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199710212231.QAA00429@elara.frii.com> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: -STABLE reboots Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.103) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We've been seeing some mysterious kernel panics from FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE. Oct 21 15:38:45 himalia /kernel: panic: ufs_lock: recursive lock not expected, pid: 105 Oct 21 15:38:45 himalia /kernel: Oct 21 15:38:45 himalia /kernel: Oct 21 15:38:45 himalia /kernel: syncing disks... Copyright (c) 1992-1997 FreeBSD Inc. The rebooting machine is our NFS server. I suspect, but can't definitively prove, that the reboots are being caused by minivend running on one of our web servers (which mounts filesystems from the rebooting machine). Has anyone else experienced this? Does this look symptomatic of the machine not being built with something or other? Kernel configuration files, relevant sections of /var/log/messages, etc, on request. Nat From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 21 16:02:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA16177 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:02:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA16167 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:02:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from graves.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id aa25441; 22 Oct 97 0:02 +0100 To: gnat@frii.com cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -STABLE reboots In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:31:20 MDT." <199710212231.QAA00429@elara.frii.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:02:39 +0100 From: David Malone Message-ID: <9710220002.aa25441@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > We've been seeing some mysterious kernel panics from FreeBSD > 2.2-STABLE. > > Oct 21 15:38:45 himalia /kernel: panic: ufs_lock: recursive lock not expected, Last time I checked any user could generate a panic similar to this by typing: mkdir /tmp/t mount_msdos /tmp/t /tmp/t Is anyone likely to have done this? David. From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 21 16:12:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA16791 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:12:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from ganymede.frii.com (ganymede.frii.com [208.146.240.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA16755 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:11:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnat@frii.com) From: gnat@frii.com Received: from elara.frii.com (elara.frii.com [208.146.240.9]) by ganymede.frii.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA07227; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:12:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from gnat@localhost) by elara.frii.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) id RAA01408; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:10:38 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:10:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199710212310.RAA01408@elara.frii.com> To: David Malone Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -STABLE reboots In-Reply-To: <9710220002.aa25441@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> References: <199710212231.QAA00429@elara.frii.com> <9710220002.aa25441@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.103) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk David Malone writes: > Last time I checked any user could generate a panic > similar to this by typing: > mkdir /tmp/t > mount_msdos /tmp/t /tmp/t > Is anyone likely to have done this? Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't think that's our culprit. For a start, very few people have login access to the NFS server. Also, the start of and lulls in rebooting seem to be roughly correlated with minivend activity. Minivend does two things which might be related to the panic: named pipes (over an NFS-mounted file, with the client and server on the same machine) and file locking using flock. This could just be a red herring, though. The other mention I found of this in the bugs database related to a version of bash which we don't have installed. Just in case, I'm chmodding 700 mount_msdos on all our systems. :-) Nat From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 21 17:43:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA22294 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:43:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA22289; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:43:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.6.9) id KAA17789; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:37:46 +1000 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:37:46 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199710220037.KAA17789@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie, gnat@frii.com Subject: Re: -STABLE reboots Cc: current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Last time I checked any user could generate a panic >> similar to this by typing: >> mkdir /tmp/t >> mount_msdos /tmp/t /tmp/t >> Is anyone likely to have done this? This is an old problem. `mount -t any /foo /foo' always panics. Fix: don't do that. However, since mount_msdos is setuid root, anyone can do that using any = msdos. Fix in 2.2: mount_msdos should not be setuid root. The problem is more serious in -current, since mount(2) is unprivileged, so even `mount /foo /foo' panics (if the mounter is root or owns /foo). Bruce From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 21 18:51:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA25431 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:51:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA25390 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:51:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost.gsoft.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00501; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:17:26 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199710220147.LAA00501@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Luigi Rizzo cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), tg@ihf.rwth-aachen.de, mark@vmunix.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PNP and new Sound code ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:46:40 +0100." <199710210846.JAA20825@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:17:20 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I don't think that would be a smart idea at all. The most recent > > changes appear to have broken it on -current, and the code is certainly > > far far away from being ready for a production-level system. ... > May I ask what kind of brokennes you are talking about ? If you > refer to the message that Jordan sent out some time ago, he promptly > took it back saying that it had nothing to do with the cancelled > 3.0 snap. I'm referring to this message, which I get from the most recent -current kernel I have built on my PnP box: /kernel.atapi: Probing for PnP devices: /kernel.atapi: CSN 1 Vendor ID: CTL009d [0x9d008c0e] Serial 0x0adc2c47 /kernel.atapi: This is a SB AWE64 PnP, but LDN 0 is disabled An older kernel finds and configures the device correctly. > This does not mean that it is unusable (maybe with minor patches, > or a little bit more of documentation, if the one that i have > already written is not enough) on a production system. My point was just that in its current incarnation, it doesn't appear to work. That's not a good advertisement for putting it into production. > Just as a data point. During the last three months I have tried to > support both the PnP and the audio driver. You'll have to wait until after we ship the SkYimet system and I finish my exams before you'll hear from me about this one, I fear. mike From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Oct 21 20:25:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA00913 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:25:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA00905 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:25:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22023; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710220324.UAA22023@austin.polstra.com> To: Chris Dillon cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Making a release... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:04:32 -0000." Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:24:45 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >* Have the ports and docs in source form ==> keep the ``tag=.'', or > > > >* Have the ports and docs in CVS repository form ==> get rid of the > > ``tag=.''. ... > Which would be better in this case? The CVS repository for the > ports and docs isn't required for making the release, is it? Correct, the CVS repository for ports and docs is not required for making a release. Given that you've got limited disk space, you should probably keep using checkout mode ("tag=.") for the ports and docs. There's no good reason for you to keep the repository around for those things, unless you get a thrill out of reading old commit logs. (And you can do that on the web anyway.) :-) John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 22 00:25:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA12793 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:25:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from www2.shoppersnet.com (shoppersnet.com [204.156.152.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA12786 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:25:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from digital@www2.shoppersnet.com) Received: (from digital@localhost) by www2.shoppersnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA28398; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:25:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Howard Lew To: Mike Smith cc: Luigi Rizzo , Mike Smith , tg@ihf.rwth-aachen.de, mark@vmunix.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PNP and new Sound code ? In-Reply-To: <199710220147.LAA00501@word.smith.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I think the original question was about the new sound code in 2.2-stable or 2.2.5... Not current. Gee, I wish it would have made it in because it sure appears rock solid stable. Oh well, I guess some of us audio folks will have to patch the new 2.2.5 to get working sound then because the standard sound driver does not work right or at all with most pnp sound cards. bummer. :( 2.2.6 maybe? On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Mike Smith wrote: > > > I don't think that would be a smart idea at all. The most recent > > > changes appear to have broken it on -current, and the code is certainly > > > far far away from being ready for a production-level system. > ... > > May I ask what kind of brokennes you are talking about ? If you > > refer to the message that Jordan sent out some time ago, he promptly > > took it back saying that it had nothing to do with the cancelled > > 3.0 snap. > > I'm referring to this message, which I get from the most recent > -current kernel I have built on my PnP box: > > /kernel.atapi: Probing for PnP devices: > /kernel.atapi: CSN 1 Vendor ID: CTL009d [0x9d008c0e] Serial 0x0adc2c47 > /kernel.atapi: This is a SB AWE64 PnP, but LDN 0 is disabled > > An older kernel finds and configures the device correctly. > > > This does not mean that it is unusable (maybe with minor patches, > > or a little bit more of documentation, if the one that i have > > already written is not enough) on a production system. > > My point was just that in its current incarnation, it doesn't appear to > work. That's not a good advertisement for putting it into production. > > > Just as a data point. During the last three months I have tried to > > support both the PnP and the audio driver. > > You'll have to wait until after we ship the SkYimet system and I finish > my exams before you'll hear from me about this one, I fear. > > mike > > > From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 22 00:28:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA12951 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:28:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from soul.irex.urc.ac.ru (soul.irex.urc.ac.ru [193.233.85.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA12907 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:27:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anton@urc.ac.ru) Received: from urc.ac.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by soul.irex.urc.ac.ru (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01240 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:31:26 GMT Message-ID: <344E002D.40726C5F@urc.ac.ru> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:31:25 +0000 From: Anton Voronin Organization: URC FREEnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03b8 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Can't build kernel with SB16 support Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I tried to build kernel for a workstation that is eqquipped with SB-pro compatible sound card, including the following lines into kernel config file: controller snd0 device sbxvi0 at isa? drq 5 device sbmidi0 at isa? port 0x330 After compiling linker fails with the following output: ... loading kernel soundcard.o: Undefined symbol `_MIDIbuf_select' referenced from text segment soundcard.o: Undefined symbol `_MIDIbuf_init' referenced from text segment sound_switch.o: Undefined symbol `_MIDIbuf_read' referenced from text segment sound_switch.o: Undefined symbol `_MIDIbuf_write' referenced from text segment sound_switch.o: Undefined symbol `_MIDIbuf_open' referenced from text segment sound_switch.o: Undefined symbol `_MIDIbuf_release' referenced from text segment sound_switch.o: Undefined symbol `_MIDIbuf_ioctl' referenced from text segment *** Error code 1 Stop. All these functions are situated in /sys/i386/isa/sound/midibuf.c which is (wrongly?) not included in kernel's Makefile. When I added it manually, kernel has been succesfully compiled. What is the reason? -- Anton Voronin | Ural Regional Center of FREEnet, | Technical University of Chelyabinsk, Russia http://www.urc.ac.ru/~anton | Student / programmer / system administrator From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 22 00:39:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA13749 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:39:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA13730 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:39:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost.gsoft.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01849; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:59:12 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199710220729.QAA01849@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Howard Lew cc: Mike Smith , Luigi Rizzo , tg@ihf.rwth-aachen.de, mark@vmunix.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PNP and new Sound code ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:25:59 MST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:59:10 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I think the original question was about the new sound code in 2.2-stable > or 2.2.5... Not current. Very good. Now, I replied that it wasn't in 2.2, and that was a damn good thing because your next statement is wrong: > Gee, I wish it would have made it in because it > sure appears rock solid stable. Only a) it's not, and b) it is not backwards compatible. Making a change like this in what is meant to be a stability-oriented release would be completely stupid. > Oh well, I guess some of us audio folks > will have to patch the new 2.2.5 to get working sound then because the > standard sound driver does not work right or at all with most pnp sound > cards. bummer. :( 2.2.6 maybe? Great, so you have a working soundcard driver that is ABI-incompatible with most of the applications out there. Great. mike From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 22 00:43:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA14008 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:43:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA13936 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:41:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id HAA23456; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 07:23:56 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199710220623.HAA23456@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: PNP and new Sound code ? To: digital@www2.shoppersnet.com (Howard Lew) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 07:23:56 +0100 (MET) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, tg@ihf.rwth-aachen.de, mark@vmunix.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Howard Lew" at Oct 22, 97 00:25:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I think the original question was about the new sound code in 2.2-stable > or 2.2.5... Not current. Gee, I wish it would have made it in because it > sure appears rock solid stable. Oh well, I guess some of us audio folks > will have to patch the new 2.2.5 to get working sound then because the the bits (with diffs specifically for 2.2.5) will be on the cd in the xperimnt/ directory, so it will not be much work. Cheers Luigi From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 22 00:57:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA14634 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:57:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA14614 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:56:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id HAA23530 for stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 07:41:12 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199710220641.HAA23530@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: PNP and new Sound code ? To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 07:41:11 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Only a) it's not, and b) it is not backwards compatible. Making a > change like this in what is meant to be a stability-oriented release > would be completely stupid. > > > Oh well, I guess some of us audio folks > > will have to patch the new 2.2.5 to get working sound then because the > > standard sound driver does not work right or at all with most pnp sound > > cards. bummer. :( 2.2.6 maybe? > > Great, so you have a working soundcard driver that is ABI-incompatible > with most of the applications out there. Great. i am sorry but your statement about backward compatibility is also partly wrong. I implement a large number of voxware ioctls (and will implement more in the future, now that i have auto-dma support), sufficient for applications like raplayer, xanim, mpg123, etc to work unmodified. for others apps, for which we have sources, i supply a specific audio module. This is mostly because the original module was poorly written or did not support full duplex, so it is an enhancement that in my opinion was necessary anyways, even with the voxware driver. As an example, now you can do full duplex with vat/rat and the sb16. With the voxware set of calls you simply could not express the fact that you had to use 8-bit in one direction and 16-bit in the other one. Another thing to consider is that the driver is not supposed to replace the stock one, just to be an alternative one. We already have syscons and pcvt, and one choses the one he likes best. I don't see why this could not apply to other devices as well. Cheers Luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 22 01:17:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA15752 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 01:17:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from www2.shoppersnet.com (shoppersnet.com [204.156.152.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA15746 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 01:17:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from digital@www2.shoppersnet.com) Received: (from digital@localhost) by www2.shoppersnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA00502; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 01:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 01:18:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Howard Lew To: Mike Smith cc: Mike Smith , Luigi Rizzo , tg@ihf.rwth-aachen.de, mark@vmunix.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PNP and new Sound code ? In-Reply-To: <199710220729.QAA01849@word.smith.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > I think the original question was about the new sound code in 2.2-stable > > or 2.2.5... Not current. > > Very good. Now, I replied that it wasn't in 2.2, and that was a damn > good thing because your next statement is wrong: > > > Gee, I wish it would have made it in because it > > sure appears rock solid stable. > > Only a) it's not, and b) it is not backwards compatible. Making a > change like this in what is meant to be a stability-oriented release > would be completely stupid. Have you tried the driver? Luigi is putting it in snd so that won't break those users who rely on the code that is currently in sound. In other words, users have a choice to choose between the new or the old driver. If you are worried about stability, the code does not need to be enabled. Why not have it as a kernel option? or have it disabled by default, but with the option to enable it? just like the way the 32 bit IDE code has been for a long time. As for being compatible with applications, I have verified that it works fine with many of the popular sound apps including Real Audio player 3.0, playmidi, vgetty, and xanim. If you think the standard FreeBSD sound driver in 2.2.2R is stable, that is far from being true. On some systems it will hang and reboot the computer by itself (MSS mode with Opti 924 chipset). On other cards (mostly PNP cards), FreeBSD will not even probe its existence because the bios does not autoconfigure PNP cards. You will not get stability complaints from the latter group of users because they cannot even get any sound at all. > Great, so you have a working soundcard driver that is ABI-incompatible > with most of the applications out there. Great. Which applications? If you know which applications will not work, it would be more helpful to let us know which ones cause problems so we can help Luigi fix them rather than make wide-reaching negative remarks. From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 22 02:12:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA18579 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 02:12:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA18555; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 02:12:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from graves.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id aa03556; 22 Oct 97 10:08 +0100 To: Bruce Evans cc: current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Recursive mount [ was Re: -STABLE reboots ] In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:37:46 +1000." <199710220037.KAA17789@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:08:11 +0100 From: David Malone Message-ID: <9710221008.aa03556@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > This is an old problem. `mount -t any /foo /foo' always panics. Fix: > don't do that. However, since mount_msdos is setuid root, anyone can > do that using any = msdos. Fix in 2.2: mount_msdos should not be > setuid root. I thought about tring to rewrite the mount code for the various filesystems to ask for a recursive lock, and then compare the mount point and "device", but that would require me to learn quite a bit about VFS. > The problem is more serious in -current, since mount(2) is unprivileged, > so even `mount /foo /foo' panics (if the mounter is root or owns /foo). Could someone add a sysctl to current that makes mount a privilaged syscall? David. From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 22 05:48:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA26630 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 05:48:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from eclogite.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (eclogite.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp [133.6.57.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA26581; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 05:47:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kato@eclogite.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp) Received: from gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp [133.6.57.99]) by eclogite.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (8.8.7/3.3W9) with ESMTP id VAA15665; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:50:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from marble.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (8.8.7/3.5Wpl5) with ESMTP id VAA01644; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:47:53 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199710221247.VAA01644@gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp> To: dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie Cc: current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recursive mount [ was Re: -STABLE reboots ] From: KATO Takenori In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:08:11 +0100" References: <9710221008.aa03556@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.70 on Emacs 19.28.1 / Mule 2.3 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 03 72 85 36 62 46 23 03 52 B1 10 22 44 10 0D 9E Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:47:53 +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Could someone add a sysctl to current that makes > mount a privilaged syscall? How about following patch? ---------- BEGIN ---------- *** vfs_syscalls.c.ORIG Wed Oct 22 20:24:15 1997 --- vfs_syscalls.c Wed Oct 22 20:34:21 1997 *************** *** 77,82 **** --- 77,86 ---- static int change_dir __P((struct nameidata *ndp, struct proc *p)); static void checkdirs __P((struct vnode *olddp)); + static int usermount = 0; /* if 1, non-root can mount fs. */ + + SYSCTL_INT(_vfs, OID_AUTO, usermount, CTLFLAG_RW, &usermount, 0, ""); + /* * Virtual File System System Calls */ *************** *** 112,117 **** --- 116,124 ---- u_long fstypenum; struct nameidata nd; char fstypename[MFSNAMELEN]; + + if (usermount == 0 && (error = suser(p->p_ucred, &p->p_acflag))) + return (error); /* * Get vnode to be covered ---------- END ---------- ---- KATO Takenori Dept. Earth Planet. Sci., Nagoya Univ., Nagoya, 464-01, Japan PGP public key: finger kato@eclogite.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp ------------------- Powered by FreeBSD(98) ------------------- From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 22 10:48:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA14651 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:48:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from jli.com (jli.com [199.2.111.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA14644 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:48:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uucp@jli.com) Received: by jli.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0xO4Z5-0002VvC; Wed, 22 Oct 97 10:27 PDT Message-Id: Received: (qmail 14617 invoked from network); 22 Oct 1997 17:19:58 -0000 Received: from softdnserror (127.0.0.1) by softdnserror with SMTP; 22 Oct 1997 17:19:58 -0000 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: help on buildworld, please? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----- =_aaaaaaaaaa0" Content-ID: <14612.877540767.0@cloud.rain.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:19:27 -0700 From: Bill Trost Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <14612.877540767.1@cloud.rain.com> I sent the following out, but I guess I didn't ask any questions anyone thought they could answer: 1. Has anyone else seen this problem, and or know how to fix it? Is there any interest in trying to reproduce it? 2. Is it possible for me to build the "important bits" of the operating system without libmsun? If I don't need it, I would rather not bother, but I'm not sure what is involved and why the buildworld rule does everything that it does. Thanks for any thoughts you have on this problem. ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: can't build libmsun MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <14237.877374128.1@cloud.rain.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:02:09 -0700 From: Bill Trost I am unable to build this morning's (or last week's) -stable as acquired via CVSup. I have tried throwing away the offending source code and its include file and re-supping it, to no avail. Below is the errors I get: $ MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX="" NOCLEAN=yup nice -22 make buildworld -DNOCLEAN -DNOOBJDIR ... ===> msun cp /mnt/usr/src/lib/msun/i387/e_acos.S i387_e_acos.S ... cc -D_IEEE_LIBM -I/mnt/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c i387_e_acos.S -o i387_e_acos.o i387_e_acos.S: Assembler messages: i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `('. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Expected comma after symbol-name: rest of line ignored. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `('. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Expected comma after symbol-name: rest of line ignored. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `('. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: invalid character '(' in opcode i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Expected comma after symbol-name: rest of line ignored. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `('. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: invalid character '(' in opcode i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Ignoring junk '(__CONCAT(__arch_,__ieee754_acos))' after expression i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `('. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Expected comma after symbol-name: rest of line ignored. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `('. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: invalid character '(' in opcode i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Ignoring junk '(__CONCAT(__arch_,__ieee754_acos))' after expression i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `('. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Expected comma after symbol-name: rest of line ignored. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `('. i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: invalid character '(' in opcode *** Error code 1 ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0-- From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 22 11:25:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA16813 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:25:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from shasta.wstein.com (joes@shasta.wstein.com [207.173.11.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA16801; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:25:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joes@shasta.wstein.com) Received: (from joes@localhost) by shasta.wstein.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA17618; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:25:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph Stein Message-Id: <199710221825.LAA17618@shasta.wstein.com> Subject: Interesting behaviour from sysctl(kern.boottime) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:25:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've written myself a utility that polls the boot time (okay, I stole that part from w(1)) and sends a message to my pager so that I know that everything is hunky-dory. The actual message to my pager would look like this: Oct 22 11:00:05 shasta status: up 1+13:40:20 [2 users] But, I've come to notice the following: (five executions worth of data:) ----------------- cut here -------------- System time is (877528801) Wed Oct 22 07:00:01 1997 System Booted at (877407594) Mon Oct 20 21:19:54 1997 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Difference is: 121207 seconds ----- System time is (877532401) Wed Oct 22 08:00:01 1997 System Booted at (877407591) Mon Oct 20 21:19:51 1997 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Difference is: 124810 seconds ----- System time is (877536000) Wed Oct 22 09:00:00 1997 System Booted at (877407589) Mon Oct 20 21:19:49 1997 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Difference is: 128411 seconds ----- System time is (877539600) Wed Oct 22 10:00:00 1997 System Booted at (877407587) Mon Oct 20 21:19:47 1997 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Difference is: 132013 seconds ----- System time is (877543205) Wed Oct 22 11:00:05 1997 System Booted at (877407585) Mon Oct 20 21:19:45 1997 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Difference is: 135620 seconds ----------------- cut here -------------- Is this a "feature" or a "bug". I would think that the boottime should _not_ change. I run xntpd. Could that be a factor? (updating the clock ticks or whatever?) I haven't yet looked at the kernel sources that track the boot time, but it does get kind of interesting to see the system be up for two more seconds (or so) every hour... joe From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 22 12:24:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA20278 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:24:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com [206.14.52.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA20267; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:24:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jas@flyingfox.com) Received: (from jas@localhost) by biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA06912; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:24:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199710221924.MAA06912@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, joes@seaport.net Subject: Re: Interesting behaviour from sysctl(kern.boottime) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've written myself a utility that polls the boot time (okay, I stole > that part from w(1)) and sends a message to my pager so that I know > that everything is hunky-dory.... > > [ kernel's notion of boot time is changing ] How fast are you moving relative to the machine at the time you get these pages? It sounds to me as though relativity could be a factor here. Jim Shankland Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 22 12:24:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA20360 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:24:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from mail.inconnect.com (mail.inconnect.com [209.140.64.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA20354 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:24:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gribnif@inconnect.com) Received: (qmail 20289 invoked from network); 22 Oct 1997 19:24:49 -0000 Received: from www.executivefunding.com (HELO ultra1) (209.140.65.10) by mail.inconnect.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 1997 19:24:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:24:48 -0600 (MDT) From: Jason Morrow X-Sender: gribnif@ultra1 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: when Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk when will a page be posted that contains the info and specs on 2.2.5? -- Jason Morrow | UNIX, MS-Dos and Windows gribnif@inconnect.com | (the good, the bad and the ugly...) From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 22 13:53:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA26681 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:53:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA26673 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:52:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA22959; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:53:25 -0700 (PDT) To: Jason Morrow cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: when In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:24:48 MDT." Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:53:25 -0700 Message-ID: <22955.877553605@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Everything we intend to publish about 2.2.5 is already in the release notes providing with 2.2.5 itself. Jordan > when will a page be posted that contains the info and specs on 2.2.5? > > -- > Jason Morrow | UNIX, MS-Dos and Windows > gribnif@inconnect.com | (the good, the bad and the ugly...) > From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 22 14:03:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA27724 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:03:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from mail.inconnect.com (mail.inconnect.com [207.0.50.7] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA27719 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:03:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gribnif@inconnect.com) Received: (qmail 5296 invoked from network); 22 Oct 1997 21:03:40 -0000 Received: from ultra1.inconnect.com (HELO ultra1) (209.140.64.2) by mail.inconnect.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 1997 21:03:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:03:40 -0600 (MDT) From: Jason Morrow X-Sender: gribnif@ultra1 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: when In-Reply-To: <22955.877553605@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I meant when will it be posted here: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/index.html -- Jason Morrow | UNIX, MS-Dos and Windows gribnif@inconnect.com | (the good, the bad and the ugly...) On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Everything we intend to publish about 2.2.5 is already in the release > notes providing with 2.2.5 itself. > > Jordan > > > when will a page be posted that contains the info and specs on 2.2.5? From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 22 17:26:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA13030 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:26:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from zeus.xtalwind.net (serial.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA13015 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:26:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jack@diamond.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (zeus.xtalwind.net [127.0.0.1]) by zeus.xtalwind.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA01973; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:26:39 -0400 (EDT) From: jack X-Sender: jack@zeus.xtalwind.net To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Whoops! Typo in 2.2.5 release announcement. In-Reply-To: <22709.877552158@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > >3.2. CDROM > >---------- > >FreeBSD 2.1.7-RELEASE and 2.2-RELEASE CDs may be ordered on CDROM from: > > Which should, of course, have read "2.2.5-RELEASE and 3.0-SNAPSHOT CDs .." > The 2.1.7 CD is no longer available from Walnut Creek CDROM, the > current CD products being 2.2.5-RELEASE and 3.0-971006-SNAP. Better there than in source code. :) BTW, make {buildworld,installworld,release} all went flawlessly. :):) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Finger jacko@diamond.xtalwind.net or jack@xtalwind.net http://www.xtalwind.net/~jacko/pubpgp.html #include for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 22 17:44:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA13989 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:44:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA13983 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:44:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA24808; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:43:06 -0700 (PDT) To: jack cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Whoops! Typo in 2.2.5 release announcement. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:26:39 EDT." Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:43:06 -0700 Message-ID: <24805.877567386@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > >3.2. CDROM > > >---------- > > >FreeBSD 2.1.7-RELEASE and 2.2-RELEASE CDs may be ordered on CDROM from: > > > > Which should, of course, have read "2.2.5-RELEASE and 3.0-SNAPSHOT CDs .." > > The 2.1.7 CD is no longer available from Walnut Creek CDROM, the > > current CD products being 2.2.5-RELEASE and 3.0-971006-SNAP. > > Better there than in source code. :) Actually, it *is* in the source code. This has been part of /usr/src/release/sysinstall/help/relnotes.hlp for quite some time, perhaps even going back to 2.2.1, and nobody caught it until now. :-( Jordan From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 22 18:09:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA16388 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:09:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA16383 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:09:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA29310; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710230108.SAA29310@austin.polstra.com> To: jack@diamond.xtalwind.net Subject: Re: 2.2.5 and DES In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: stable@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:08:23 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article , jack wrote: > Sure would have been nice to get a heads-up that as of last night cvsup of > the tree would blow away everything in src/secure. Is this supposed to be a problem report? You didn't provide one bit of the information necessary for anybody to help you solve it. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Oct 22 21:27:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA26890 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:27:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA26879 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:27:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.6.9) id OAA18099; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:25:49 +1000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:25:49 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199710230425.OAA18099@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, trost@cloud.rain.com Subject: Re: help on buildworld, please? Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >1. Has anyone else seen this problem, and or know how to fix it? Is there any >interest in trying to reproduce it? Sources have to be in /usr/src in 2.2, since includes /usr/src/lib/libc/i386/DEFS.h and some versions of DEFS.h differ significantly. >2. Is it possible for me to build the "important bits" of the operating system >without libmsun? If I don't need it, I would rather not bother, but I'm not sure Old libm.so's and libm.a's should work. >I am unable to build this morning's (or last week's) -stable as acquired >via CVSup. I have tried throwing away the offending source code and its >include file and re-supping it, to no avail. Below is the errors I get: > >$ MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX="" NOCLEAN=yup nice -22 make buildworld -DNOCLEAN -DNOOBJDIR ^^^^^^^^^ risks getting out of date *.S >... >===> msun >cp /mnt/usr/src/lib/msun/i387/e_acos.S i387_e_acos.S ^^^^ sources not in usual place >... >cc -D_IEEE_LIBM -I/mnt/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c i387_e_acos.S -o i387_e_acos.o >i387_e_acos.S: Assembler messages: >i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `('. >i387_e_acos.S:45: Error: Expected comma after symbol-name: rest of line ignored. >... Bruce From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 23 01:57:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA11697 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:57:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA11687; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:57:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.6.9) id SAA29257; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:53:26 +1000 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:53:26 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199710230853.SAA29257@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, joes@seaport.net Subject: Re: Interesting behaviour from sysctl(kern.boottime) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >But, I've come to notice the following: (five executions worth of data:) > >----------------- cut here -------------- >System time is (877528801) Wed Oct 22 07:00:01 1997 >System Booted at (877407594) Mon Oct 20 21:19:54 1997 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Difference is: 121207 seconds >----- >System time is (877532401) Wed Oct 22 08:00:01 1997 >System Booted at (877407591) Mon Oct 20 21:19:51 1997 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Difference is: 124810 seconds >----- >... >I run xntpd. Could that be a factor? (updating the clock ticks or whatever?) Yes, it changes the boot time whenever it calls settimeofday() to step the clock. settimeofday() always adjusts `boottime' when it adjust `time'. This is correct when both were wrong originally, but completely wrong if the clock has drifted. A drift of 3 seconds per day is good if xntpd is _not_ used, but xntpd not step the clock if it is correctly configured and the system is always connected. Bruce From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 23 06:06:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA23846 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 06:06:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from ren.dtir.qld.gov.au (firewall-user@ns.dtir.qld.gov.au [203.108.138.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA23839; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 06:06:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from syssgm@dtir.qld.gov.au) Received: by ren.dtir.qld.gov.au; id XAA01683; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:17:46 +1000 (EST) Received: from ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au(167.123.8.3) by ren.dtir.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma001681; Thu, 23 Oct 97 23:17:30 +1000 Received: from troll.dtir.qld.gov.au (troll.dtir.qld.gov.au [167.123.8.1]) by ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA27344; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:05:19 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (syssgm@localhost) by troll.dtir.qld.gov.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA07825; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:05:15 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199710231305.XAA07825@troll.dtir.qld.gov.au> X-Authentication-Warning: troll.dtir.qld.gov.au: syssgm@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: jkh@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, syssgm@dtir.qld.gov.au Subject: Notes that didn't make it into the 2.2.5 release notes Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:05:15 +1000 From: Stephen McKay Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've just been browsing http://www.freebsd.org/releases/2.2.5R/notes.html as something to do until CTM updates are turned on again... I expected to see "Significant improvements to the SymBios driver including fast20 support for 53C875 based cards" close to the one about improvements to the Adaptec driver. Also, the Diamond FirePort cards should be mentioned further down in the SymBios driver section. So, what do we do about it? Shout "Hey you lot! Blow your trumpet in the release notes when you update a driver!" at the developers? Just leave it for the release engineer? You know, the guy with the red eyes and the stained coffee cup. :-) I think we should offer a bit of subtle urging every so often like we do if people forget to update man pages, or if they offend style(9). I also think that this deserves to be updated on www.freebsd.org since a lot of folks will hit there first. Stephen. From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 23 08:17:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA03298 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:17:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA03286; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA01273; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:17:56 -0700 (PDT) To: Stephen McKay cc: jkh@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Notes that didn't make it into the 2.2.5 release notes In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:05:15 +1000." <199710231305.XAA07825@troll.dtir.qld.gov.au> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:17:54 -0700 Message-ID: <1269.877619874@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I expected to see "Significant improvements to the SymBios driver including > fast20 support for 53C875 based cards" close to the one about improvements > to the Adaptec driver. Also, the Diamond FirePort cards should be mentioned > further down in the SymBios driver section. You did? Gee, why? :) > So, what do we do about it? Shout "Hey you lot! Blow your trumpet in the > release notes when you update a driver!" at the developers? Just leave it Yes. I've done this many times, in fact, as has Joerg (the latter even putting some time into adding entries for other people) and I guess people just need to get the message. Perhaps having their favorite feature unheralded enough times is the only way the message is going to sink in. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 23 09:24:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA07844 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:24:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from jli.com (jli.com [199.2.111.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA07838 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:24:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uucp@jli.com) Received: by jli.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0xOQ3G-0002VtC; Thu, 23 Oct 97 09:24 PDT Message-Id: Received: (qmail 4654 invoked from network); 23 Oct 1997 16:23:13 -0000 Received: from localhost.cloud.rain.com (127.0.0.1) by localhost.cloud.rain.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 1997 16:23:13 -0000 To: Bruce Evans Subject: Re: help on buildworld, please? References: <199710230425.OAA18099@godzilla.zeta.org.au> In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:25:49 +1000. <199710230425.OAA18099@godzilla.zeta.org.au> cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <4596.877623761.1@cloud.rain.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:22:42 -0700 From: Bill Trost Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bruce Evans writes: >1. Has anyone else seen this problem, and or know how to fix it? Sources have to be in /usr/src in 2.2.... I was afraid that might be the case, but didn't want to admit it. Symlink city, here I come.... )-: Thanks for the help. If that doesn't fix it, I'll be sure to whine some more. (-: From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 23 09:25:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA07904 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:25:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from jli.com (jli.com [199.2.111.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA07883 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:25:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uucp@jli.com) Received: by jli.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0xOQ3t-0002VtC; Thu, 23 Oct 97 09:24 PDT Message-Id: Received: (qmail 4654 invoked from network); 23 Oct 1997 16:23:13 -0000 Received: from localhost.cloud.rain.com (127.0.0.1) by localhost.cloud.rain.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 1997 16:23:13 -0000 To: Bruce Evans Subject: Re: help on buildworld, please? References: <199710230425.OAA18099@godzilla.zeta.org.au> In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:25:49 +1000. <199710230425.OAA18099@godzilla.zeta.org.au> cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <4596.877623761.1@cloud.rain.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:22:42 -0700 From: Bill Trost Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bruce Evans writes: >1. Has anyone else seen this problem, and or know how to fix it? Sources have to be in /usr/src in 2.2.... I was afraid that might be the case, but didn't want to admit it. Symlink city, here I come.... )-: Thanks for the help. If that doesn't fix it, I'll be sure to whine some more. (-: From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 23 09:29:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA08185 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:29:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from helios.whro.org (helios.whro.org [198.78.178.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA08177 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:29:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bboone@whro.org) Received: from blueprint.whro.org (lunar-107.whro.org [198.76.164.107]) by helios.whro.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA21705 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710231625.MAA21705@helios.whro.org> X-Sender: bboone@mail.whro.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Bob Boone Subject: Updating EXISTING system... Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This may be a simple question to most of you, but its an unknown to me. The last two upgrades I've made, to 2.1.5 and then to 2.2.2, were timed to replacing hard drives with larger units. It gave me an empty drive to work with, and a back-up if I screwed-up. Fortunately, there were no problems either time. Now I'm considering the jump to 2.2.5, but on the existing.... running.... website machine. (1) Will the 2.2.5 simply build "over" my existing files as CVS would ?? (2) Do I have to nuke the drive and start over ?? (3) If its the FORMER - don't I still have to START from a "new" 2.2.5 boot-floppy, to get the newer sysinstall and file locations ??? Inquiring minds want to know........ > > > > > > > Bob Bob Boone, Chief Engineer for Television WHRO-TV/FM 5200 Hampton Blvd. Norfolk, Va. 23508 Pager: (757) 860-3303 *** Ph: (757) 889-9466 *** Fx: (757) 489-4444 Internet: bboone@whro.org WebSite: http://www.whro.org ===================================================================== From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 23 09:35:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA08672 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:35:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from home.shvetc.marka.net.ua (home.shvetc.marka.net.ua [193.193.219.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA08644 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:34:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eugene@shvetc.marka.net.ua) Received: from eugene.shvetc.marka.net.ua (eugene.shvetc.marka.net.ua [193.193.219.187]) by home.shvetc.marka.net.ua (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA01433; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:30:46 +0300 (EEST) From: "Eugene Shvetc" To: "Ernie Elu" Cc: Subject: Re: Squid 1.1.16 breaking under load Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:30:43 +0300 Message-ID: <01bcdfd1$024d23a0$bbdbc1c1@eugene.shvetc.marka.net.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Anyone had squid 1.1.16 break under load? > >It comes up with a can't xmalloc memory error and squid quits with a signal >6 for a few minutes until RunCache restarts it. >Seem to not happen under light loads. > >The kern.log is full of messages like the following: > >Oct 23 15:03:08 gammy /kernel: pid 637 (squid), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 >Oct 23 15:11:40 gammy /kernel: pid 739 (squid), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 >Oct 23 15:22:53 gammy /kernel: pid 814 (squid), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 >Oct 23 15:39:28 gammy /kernel: pid 861 (squid), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 >Oct 23 15:50:59 gammy /kernel: pid 1829 (squid), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 >Oct 23 16:00:06 gammy /kernel: pid 2445 (squid), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 >Oct 23 16:13:38 gammy /kernel: pid 2539 (squid), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 > > >It's only started happening since I went from 1.1.15 to 1.1.16 yesterday. > >I also cvsup'd the latest 2.2.2-STABLE and built a fresh kernel at the same >time to complicate things. > >I am keen to know if anyone else has had the same problem, or is it just unique to my >server in which case I will set up a fresh drive and swap it out. > > >- Ernie. > I have installed squid-1.1.16 at October, 6 and does not have any problems with it, I even does not use RunCache, run it as "/usr/local/sbin/squid -DsY &" in my rc.local file, and it does not fly out. From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 23 11:22:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA16357 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:22:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.5.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA16337; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:22:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA16609; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:22:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd016600; Thu Oct 23 11:22:40 1997 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29050; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:22:29 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199710231822.LAA29050@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Recursive mount [ was Re: -STABLE reboots ] To: kato@migmatite.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (KATO Takenori) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:22:29 +0000 (GMT) Cc: dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie, current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199710221247.VAA01644@gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp> from "KATO Takenori" at Oct 22, 97 09:47:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Could someone add a sysctl to current that makes > > mount a privilaged syscall? > > How about following patch? [ ... ] Makeing mount priveledged is a kludge. Is this a production environment patch? If so, I'll let the discussion go... otherwise, the mount code needs changed. Specifically, the mapping into the hierarchy and the NFS export management should be in the upper level code instead of per VFS. There's not really any conceptual difference between root and non-root mounts, once the greation of a mount struct instance is abstracted from it's mapping into the FS hierarchy by moving the latter into common code. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 23 14:51:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA00371 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:51:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from eyelab.psy.msu.edu (eyelab.psy.msu.edu [35.8.64.179]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA00362 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:51:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@eyelab.psy.msu.edu) Received: from eyelab3.psy.msu.edu (eyelab3.psy.msu.edu [35.8.64.180]) by eyelab.psy.msu.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA26861 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710232245.SAA26861@eyelab.psy.msu.edu> X-Sender: root@eyelab.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro 4.0 Beta 1 (build 175) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:48:04 -0400 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Gary Schrock Subject: upgrading from 2.1-stable to 2.2-stable remotely? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there any good way of upgrading a system from 2.1-stable to 2.2-stable when you don't have console access to the machine? I've got a machine that would definitely see some benefits in upgrading, but which I don't really have access to (the machine's in california, I'm in michigan), and unless we want to pay someone on site exorbiant fees to do the upgrade for us it would be difficult to do unless it was done remotely. Any thoughts? Gary Schrock root@eyelab.msu.edu From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 23 14:52:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA00442 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:52:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from solist. ([193.219.246.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA00434 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:52:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from girgen@partitur.se) Received: from partitur.se by solist. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA02199; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:50:07 +0200 Message-ID: <344FC68F.A732B73D@partitur.se> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:50:07 +0200 From: Palle Girgensohn Organization: Partitur X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Elischer CC: "C. Stephen Gunn" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, ajk@wspout.com, ab@wspout.com, csg@wspout.com Subject: netatalk still broken in 2.2-STABLE References: <199710152137.VAA15472@mail.wintek.com> <34453838.794BDF32@whistle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! >From GNATS: Problem Report kern/4776 Release FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE i386 Description After starting atalkd, any nbprgstr fails. This is since at_control.c and ddp_output.c have been merged in from -current. Fix Use the old at_control.c and ddp_output.c :-) ----------------------------------------------------------- It still doesn't work. This isn't stable to me ;-) It was reported a week ago and there is an obvious fix. Why can't the broken code be removed from stable? I don't get it. I just supped and rebuilded, and the problem remains. Is this also in the release? /palle Julian Elischer wrote: > > C. Stephen Gunn wrote: > > > > In message <199710151811.NAA04074@argon.vapornet.com>, John Preisler writes: > > > > >I"ll try pulling the older .c files off tape and rebuilding. > > > > I tried pulling older versions of: > > > > sys/netatalk/at_control.c 1.14 > > sys/netatalk/ddp_output.c 1.4 > > > > Both of these versions are before some changes that julian@freebsd.org > > made to fix a problem with routing packets to hosts that were on > > a different net, but the same netrange as a given interface. > > > > In particular (this could be conjecture), the problem could be with > > the aa_claim_addr() routine in at_control.c. > > did this fix it? > it shouldn't. > I run those patches here. > what problems do you have? > > > > > I'm not a big kernel hacker type, so I won't say any more. > > > > I also applied the patch from http://www.umch.edu/~rsug/netatalk/patches/ > > for MacOS 8 fixes. It might be a good idea to add this to the 1.4b2 > > port in ports/net/netatalk. It appears to work fine. > > > > - Steve > > > > -- > > C. Stephen Gunn Wintek Corporation > > E-mail: csg@wintek.com 427 N 6th Street > > Tel: +1 (765) 742-8428 Lafayette, IN 47901-1126 > > Fax: +1 (765) 742-0547 United States of America From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 23 15:00:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA00991 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:00:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA00985 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:00:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA00899; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:59:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: Bob Boone cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Updating EXISTING system... In-Reply-To: <199710231625.MAA21705@helios.whro.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Bob Boone wrote: > This may be a simple question to most of you, but its an unknown to me. > > The last two upgrades I've made, to 2.1.5 and then to 2.2.2, were timed > to replacing hard drives with larger units. It gave me an empty drive to > work with, and a back-up if I screwed-up. Fortunately, there were no > problems either time. > > Now I'm considering the jump to 2.2.5, but on the existing.... > running.... website machine. There's an excellent tutorial at http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/ upgrade/upgrade.html (or something close to that) by Nik Clayton. (Upgrading from source). Basically, you get the sources with cvsup; you back up and also preserve some essential configuration files; you run make world or buildworld and installworld; you merge your old configuration files with the new ones; build a new kernel; and reboot. I've done this lots of times; the original install by ftp is 2.1, the version now running is a 2.2.5-BETA. I'm a little less conservative than Nik--I don't shut down to single user mode, because I want the machine to continue running (serving web pages, accepting logins, doing anonymous ftp, processing electronic mail--mine and that for a mailing list) while it's doing the make world and later building the new kernel. So the only time it's actually down is the time it takes it to reboot after I type /sbin/reboot. An ultimately conservative approach is to get another machine up and running with the new stuff before you shut down the old machine. Maybe getting everything running on another drive before you shut down and remove the old drive is perhaps in-between. > > (1) Will the 2.2.5 simply build "over" my existing files as CVS would ?? I don't really understand your question--the make world process rebuilds and replaces all the binaries (I think this statement is more or less true) everywhere but /usr/local and /usr/X11R6. I.e., it doesn't affect anything you've installed; it only rebuilds the system. But I think the answer is yes. > > (2) Do I have to nuke the drive and start over ?? No. And you really do want to figure out how to upgrade parts of the system at least without nuking the drive. > > (3) If its the FORMER - don't I still have to START from a "new" 2.2.5 > boot-floppy, to get the newer sysinstall and file locations ??? I guess you could use a boot floppy and the upgrade option, reinstalling the same distributions (including possible X and some ports and packages); you still have to merge /etc. Then you'd get the new /stand/sysinstall. This is an installation of binaries rather than rebuilding the system from source, so I would think it has more to do with 2 above than 1 (latter rather than former). But nuking the drive is a high price to pay just to get the most current sysinstall. I think file locations will be taken care of with the make world process, if you use it. You can copy the new sysinstall from /usr/src/release/sysinstall to /stand/sysinstall; I'm not sure this is a complete update or the /stand/sysinstall directory (assuming you don't erase the whole thing first, which I don't think you should do). I don't really understand this part. Annelise > > Inquiring minds want to know........ > > > > > > > > > Bob > > Bob Boone, Chief Engineer for Television > > WHRO-TV/FM 5200 Hampton Blvd. Norfolk, Va. 23508 > Pager: (757) 860-3303 *** Ph: (757) 889-9466 *** Fx: (757) 489-4444 > Internet: bboone@whro.org WebSite: http://www.whro.org > ===================================================================== > From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 23 15:46:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA03592 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:46:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA03587 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:46:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA13778; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:44:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: Gary Schrock cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: upgrading from 2.1-stable to 2.2-stable remotely? In-Reply-To: <199710232245.SAA26861@eyelab.psy.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Gary Schrock wrote: > Is there any good way of upgrading a system from 2.1-stable to 2.2-stable > when you don't have console access to the machine? I've got a machine that > would definitely see some benefits in upgrading, but which I don't really > have access to (the machine's in california, I'm in michigan), and unless > we want to pay someone on site exorbiant fees to do the upgrade for us it > would be difficult to do unless it was done remotely. > > Any thoughts? > Gary Schrock > root@eyelab.msu.edu Yes--get the sources, do make world without going to single-user mode, rebuild the kernel, reboot the machine. Somewhere along the line you'd want to merge the new stuff in etc with the old. Guess you would want to make sure there's no floppy in the A drive and a cd in the cdrom drive if /cdrom if mentioned in /etc/fstab. I've done this fairly often, but I'm only 10 minutes from the computer :) I try to be careful about changes to config files. Annelise From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 23 18:46:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA12190 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:46:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from zeus.xtalwind.net (serial.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA12181 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:46:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jack@diamond.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (zeus.xtalwind.net [127.0.0.1]) by zeus.xtalwind.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA02893; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:45:52 -0400 (EDT) From: jack X-Sender: jack@zeus.xtalwind.net Reply-To: jack To: John Polstra cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2.5 and DES In-Reply-To: <199710230108.SAA29310@austin.polstra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, John Polstra wrote: > Is this supposed to be a problem report? You didn't provide one > bit of the information necessary for anybody to help you solve it. Actually it was a totally inappropriate rant after a brain fart at the end of a very long and frustrating day. I offer my apologies to the list and especially to the core team. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Finger jacko@diamond.xtalwind.net or jack@xtalwind.net http://www.xtalwind.net/~jacko/pubpgp.html #include for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 23 21:13:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA19834 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:13:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from luke.cpl.net (luke.cpl.net [207.67.172.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA19805; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:13:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shawn@cpl.net) Received: from cpl.net (shawn.cpl.net [207.67.172.196]) by luke.cpl.net (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA13783; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34502058.AD5145B2@cpl.net> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:13:12 -0700 From: Shawn Ramsey Organization: Cyberg8t Internet Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org CC: questions@freebsd.org Subject: make world error Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I got the following error when trying to compile 2.2-Stable last night. I seem to remember reading problems with PPP. Is there an easy fix? install -c -s -o root -g network -m 4550 ppp /usr/sbin *** Error code 67 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 23 22:01:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA22586 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:01:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [207.141.254.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA22553; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:01:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fullermd@futuresouth.com) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (mail.futuresouth.com [207.141.254.21]) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA23981; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:00:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:00:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Shawn Ramsey cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world error In-Reply-To: <34502058.AD5145B2@cpl.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Shawn Ramsey wrote: > I got the following error when trying to compile 2.2-Stable last night. > I seem to remember reading problems with PPP. Is there an easy fix? > > > install -c -s -o root -g network -m 4550 ppp /usr/sbin ^^^^^^^ put this group in /etc/group as group 69. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* | FreeBSD; the way computers were meant to be | * "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is * | that I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet."| * fullermd@futuresouth.com :-} MAtthew Fuller * | http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Oct 23 23:03:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA25940 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:03:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from luke.cpl.net (luke.cpl.net [207.67.172.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA25917; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:03:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shawn@luke.cpl.net) Received: from localhost (shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA10543; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:04:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Shawn Ramsey To: "Matthew D. Fuller" cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I got the following error when trying to compile 2.2-Stable last night. > > I seem to remember reading problems with PPP. Is there an easy fix? > > > > > > install -c -s -o root -g network -m 4550 ppp /usr/sbin > ^^^^^^^ > put this group in /etc/group as group 69. > It already was. My /etc/group file was messed up somehow, when viewed with more had a bunch of linefeeds. Strange. But that fixed the problem. From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 24 00:45:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA00540 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:45:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from home.shvetc.marka.net.ua (home.shvetc.marka.net.ua [193.193.219.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA00516 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:44:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eugene@shvetc.marka.net.ua) Received: from eugene.shvetc.marka.net.ua (eugene.shvetc.marka.net.ua [193.193.219.187]) by home.shvetc.marka.net.ua (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA00810 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:42:26 +0300 (EEST) From: "Eugene Shvetc" To: Subject: can't remove some files... Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:42:24 +0300 Message-ID: <01bce050$5e9d3da0$bbdbc1c1@eugene.shvetc.marka.net.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk When installing 2.2.5 base distribution to my existing FreeBSD-stable system i have errors: can't unlink and Operation not permitted. It is true, i can't remove, rename, etc there files... there files is: /bin/rcp /sbin/init /usr/bin/chpass /usr/bin/chfn /usr/bin/chsh /usr/bin/ypchpass /usr/bin/ypchfn /usr/bin/ypcsh /usr/bin/login /usr/bin/passwd /usr/bin/yppasswd /usr/bin/rlogin /usr/bin/rsh /usr/bin/su /usr/bin/crontab /usr/lib/libc.so.3.0 /usr/libexec/ld.so /usr/libexec/mail.local /usr/sbin/sliplogin What i can do with there files to overwrite it? From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 24 01:46:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA03850 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 01:46:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [193.117.77.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA03841 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 01:46:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@smtp.strand.iii.co.uk) Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA01655; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:42:54 +0100 (BST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA23949; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:48:23 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19971024094823.23061@iii.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:48:23 +0100 From: nik@iii.co.uk To: bboone@whro.org Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Updating EXISTING system... References: <199710231625.MAA21705@helios.whro.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: ; from Annelise Anderson on Thu, Oct 23, 1997 at 02:59:38PM -0700 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry Bob, I only say your message in Annelise's reply. On Thu, Oct 23, 1997 at 02:59:38PM -0700, Annelise Anderson wrote: > On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Bob Boone wrote: > > Now I'm considering the jump to 2.2.5, but on the existing.... > > running.... website machine. [...] >> (1) Will the 2.2.5 simply build "over" my existing files as CVS would ?? Yes. AFAIK, the only thing you need to worry about is /etc/group. In the jump from 2.2.2 to 2.2.5, a new group was added to /etc/group. 'make world' will try and install some binaries ('ppp' and friends I think), and change their ownership to match this new group. Of course, at this point in the install you'll still be using your old /etc/group, without the new group in it. So the install will fail. The trick is to put the added group into your existing /etc/group before you begin 'make world'. The line to add is network:*:69: N -- --+==[ Nik Clayton is Just Another Perl Hacker at Interactive Investor ]==+-- Vegetarianism is cruel. At least animals can make a run for it. From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 24 03:12:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA06962 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 03:12:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from solist. ([193.219.246.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA06941; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 03:12:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from girgen@partitur.se) Received: from partitur.se by solist. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA02559; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:10:47 +0200 Message-ID: <34507427.7975BEFD@partitur.se> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:10:47 +0200 From: Palle Girgensohn Organization: Partitur X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG CC: dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie, gnat@frii.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -STABLE reboots References: <199710220037.KAA17789@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! I have a similar problem, that I have seen before, although not this bad: I rebooted an nfs server yesterday evening, after a kernel rebuild. Today, a df on a workstation that had the server mounted prduced an immediate crash (no kernel panic, really; the screen just went black), and the system rebooted! I have never seen a FreeBSD machine crash before, at least from software(?) error! The stable is a few weeks old: Thu Oct 9 10:45:58 CEST 1997 How do I prevent this? It is not the first time nfs gives me problems when I take down a server. My guess is that I need to uncomment a few lines in inetd.conf regarding rpc.* so the server can broadcast that it is going down. Now it's untouched from the release. Am I right? Regards, Palle From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 24 03:53:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA08755 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 03:53:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from krabi.mbp.ee (root@krabi.mbp.ee [194.204.12.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA08746 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 03:53:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@krabi.mbp.ee) Received: from localhost by krabi.mbp.ee with smtp id m0xOhMC-0008VbC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:52:44 +0300 (EEST) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:52:44 +0300 (EEST) From: Superuser To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: seeing triple??? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi After 'make world' I get some messages triple in system console... for example squid11. In /var/log/messages there is correctly one message. Ideas ? _____________ Lauri Laupmaa mauri@mbp.ee From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 24 04:31:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA10191 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 04:31:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id EAA10171; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 04:31:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie via local-salmon id aa02348; 24 Oct 97 12:31 +0100 To: Terry Lambert cc: KATO Takenori , current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recursive mount [ was Re: -STABLE reboots ] In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:22:29 -0000." <199710231822.LAA29050@usr02.primenet.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:31:28 +0100 From: David Malone Message-ID: <9710241231.aa02348@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Makeing mount priveledged is a kludge. Indeed - though might it be useful for other reasons? (User NFS mounts a directory from their laptop, which they take home, leaving you unable to unmount that directory and all its ancestors? Unless forced umounting of NFS works in 3.0) > Is this a production environment patch? I've a dual processor machine with about 1000 undergrads with accounts on it, so its really a matter of time before someone discovers how to knock it over that way. > There's not really any > conceptual difference between root and non-root mounts, once the > greation of a mount struct instance is abstracted from it's mapping > into the FS hierarchy by moving the latter into common code. I take it that this would factor the recursive lock problem out of the VFS code into the generic mount code, and make it a bit more straight forward to fix? David. From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 24 06:33:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA19486 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 06:33:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from ns.mexcom.net (ns.mexcom.net [206.103.64.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA19481 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 06:33:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@mexcom.net) Received: from sunix (eculp@sunix.mexcom.net [206.103.64.3]) by ns.mexcom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA13128; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:28:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3450A313.7EA5059E@mexcom.net> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:30:59 -0500 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.14 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eugene Shvetc CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: can't remove some files... References: <01bce050$5e9d3da0$bbdbc1c1@eugene.shvetc.marka.net.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Eugene Shvetc wrote: > > When installing 2.2.5 base distribution to my existing FreeBSD-stable system > i have errors: can't unlink and Operation not permitted. > > It is true, i can't remove, rename, etc there files... > > there files is: > /bin/rcp > /sbin/init > /usr/bin/chpass > /usr/bin/chfn > /usr/bin/chsh > /usr/bin/ypchpass > /usr/bin/ypchfn > /usr/bin/ypcsh > /usr/bin/login > /usr/bin/passwd > /usr/bin/yppasswd > /usr/bin/rlogin > /usr/bin/rsh > /usr/bin/su > /usr/bin/crontab > /usr/lib/libc.so.3.0 > /usr/libexec/ld.so > /usr/libexec/mail.local > /usr/sbin/sliplogin > > What i can do with there files to overwrite it? I'm not sure but you might start with man chflags :-) then ls -lo then chflags noschg file or chflags -R noschg directory Provecho ed From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 24 06:37:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA19698 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 06:37:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from ns.mexcom.net (ns.mexcom.net [206.103.64.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA19692 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 06:37:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@mexcom.net) Received: from sunix (eculp@sunix.mexcom.net [206.103.64.3]) by ns.mexcom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA13235; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:34:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3450A473.77547AA4@mexcom.net> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:36:51 -0500 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.14 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nik@iii.co.uk CC: bboone@whro.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Updating EXISTING system... References: <199710231625.MAA21705@helios.whro.org> <19971024094823.23061@iii.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk nik@iii.co.uk wrote: > > Sorry Bob, I only say your message in Annelise's reply. > > On Thu, Oct 23, 1997 at 02:59:38PM -0700, Annelise Anderson wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Bob Boone wrote: > > > Now I'm considering the jump to 2.2.5, but on the existing.... > > > running.... website machine. > > [...] > > >> (1) Will the 2.2.5 simply build "over" my existing files as CVS would ?? > > Yes. > > AFAIK, the only thing you need to worry about is /etc/group. > > In the jump from 2.2.2 to 2.2.5, a new group was added to /etc/group. > 'make world' will try and install some binaries ('ppp' and friends > I think), and change their ownership to match this new group. > > Of course, at this point in the install you'll still be using your > old /etc/group, without the new group in it. So the install will > fail. > > The trick is to put the added group into your existing /etc/group > before you begin 'make world'. The line to add is > > network:*:69: > > N > -- I want to confirm that the tag value en cvs-supfile is still RELENG_2_2 by itself. TIA ed P.D. uname -a still gives 2.2-STABLE FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE #0 is that also correct? From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 24 07:04:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA21160 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:04:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from ds9.dreamhaven.org (dt9h3n72.san.rr.com [204.210.48.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA21155 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:04:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from data@dreamhaven.org) Received: (qmail 21453 invoked by uid 501); 24 Oct 1997 14:04:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:04:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryce Newall To: Eugene Shvetc cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: can't remove some files... In-Reply-To: <01bce050$5e9d3da0$bbdbc1c1@eugene.shvetc.marka.net.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Eugene Shvetc wrote: > When installing 2.2.5 base distribution to my existing FreeBSD-stable system > i have errors: can't unlink and Operation not permitted. > > It is true, i can't remove, rename, etc there files... [snip] > What i can do with there files to overwrite it? chflags noschg filename ;) ********************************************************************** * Bryce Newall * Email: data@dreamhaven.org * * WWW: http://www.dreamhaven.org/~data * * "Stop smirking, Number 1." -- J.L. Picard * * "I'm a doctor, not a doorstop!" -- EMH Program, ST:FC * ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 24 07:36:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA23545 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:36:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from home.shvetc.marka.net.ua (home.shvetc.marka.net.ua [193.193.219.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA23450 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:35:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eugene@shvetc.marka.net.ua) Received: from eugene.shvetc.marka.net.ua (eugene.shvetc.marka.net.ua [193.193.219.187]) by home.shvetc.marka.net.ua (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA03447; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:33:15 +0300 (EEST) From: "Eugene Shvetc" To: "Edwin Culp" Cc: Subject: Re: can't remove some files... Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:33:13 +0300 Message-ID: <01bce089$c2b64dc0$bbdbc1c1@eugene.shvetc.marka.net.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: Edwin Culp To: Eugene Shvetc Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: 24 îêòÿáðÿ 1997 ã. 16:55 Subject: Re: can't remove some files... >Eugene Shvetc wrote: >> >> When installing 2.2.5 base distribution to my existing FreeBSD-stable system >> i have errors: can't unlink and Operation not permitted. >> >> It is true, i can't remove, rename, etc there files... >> >> there files is: >> /bin/rcp >> /sbin/init >> /usr/bin/chpass >> /usr/bin/chfn >> /usr/bin/chsh >> /usr/bin/ypchpass >> /usr/bin/ypchfn >> /usr/bin/ypcsh >> /usr/bin/login >> /usr/bin/passwd >> /usr/bin/yppasswd >> /usr/bin/rlogin >> /usr/bin/rsh >> /usr/bin/su >> /usr/bin/crontab >> /usr/lib/libc.so.3.0 >> /usr/libexec/ld.so >> /usr/libexec/mail.local >> /usr/sbin/sliplogin >> >> What i can do with there files to overwrite it? > >I'm not sure but you might start with > >man chflags :-) > >then > ls -lo >then >chflags noschg file >or >chflags -R noschg directory >Provecho >ed > Thanks, it is really helps :) From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 24 10:27:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA05736 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:27:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.5.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA05708; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:27:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA15493; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:27:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd015472; Fri Oct 24 10:27:27 1997 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13692; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:27:22 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199710241727.KAA13692@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Recursive mount [ was Re: -STABLE reboots ] To: dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie (David Malone) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:27:22 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, kato@migmatite.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp, current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9710241231.aa02348@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> from "David Malone" at Oct 24, 97 12:31:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Is this a production environment patch? > > I've a dual processor machine with about 1000 undergrads with > accounts on it, so its really a matter of time before someone > discovers how to knock it over that way. Then I don't object. ;-). > > There's not really any > > conceptual difference between root and non-root mounts, once the > > greation of a mount struct instance is abstracted from it's mapping > > into the FS hierarchy by moving the latter into common code. > > I take it that this would factor the recursive lock problem out > of the VFS code into the generic mount code, and make it a bit > more straight forward to fix? Plus enable several nomadic computing features, plus make it possible to boot from any FS type. Etc. 8-). Actually, it should drop recursion out of the picture entirely. The only check you'd need to make is at the time you map the file into the directory hierarchy. And that's trivial because you know the device for the parentfs, the child fs, and the parent of the parent... up to the root. It's a straight linear traversal (not a bad thing, since mount is relatively rare, and the number of fs's is limited). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 24 11:29:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA09848 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:29:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (root@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA09843 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:29:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA03359; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:22:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: Edwin Culp cc: nik@iii.co.uk, bboone@whro.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Updating EXISTING system... In-Reply-To: <3450A473.77547AA4@mexcom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Edwin Culp wrote: > nik@iii.co.uk wrote: > > > > Sorry Bob, I only say your message in Annelise's reply. > > > > On Thu, Oct 23, 1997 at 02:59:38PM -0700, Annelise Anderson wrote: > > > On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Bob Boone wrote: > > > > Now I'm considering the jump to 2.2.5, but on the existing.... > > > > running.... website machine. > > > > [...] > > > > >> (1) Will the 2.2.5 simply build "over" my existing files as CVS would ?? > > > > Yes. > > > > AFAIK, the only thing you need to worry about is /etc/group. > > > > In the jump from 2.2.2 to 2.2.5, a new group was added to /etc/group. > > 'make world' will try and install some binaries ('ppp' and friends > > I think), and change their ownership to match this new group. > > > > Of course, at this point in the install you'll still be using your > > old /etc/group, without the new group in it. So the install will > > fail. > > > > The trick is to put the added group into your existing /etc/group > > before you begin 'make world'. The line to add is > > > > network:*:69: > > > > N > > -- Actually it would be nice if there were a README file in /usr/src that gave information of this type. It should be unnecessary to either search the archives (how would one know what to search for in advance?) or....if it's not a "current event," following the mailing lists won't help. > I want to confirm that the tag value en cvs-supfile is still > RELENG_2_2 by itself. > > TIA > > ed > > P.D. uname -a still gives 2.2-STABLE FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE #0 is that also > correct? > I was wondering about that myself. Annelise From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 24 12:13:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA12522 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:13:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from cerebus.asmrb.org (dynamic-addr-116.consensus.com [157.22.240.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA12513 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:13:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gmfangs@asmrb.org) Received: from dynamic-addr-115.consensus.com (dynamic-addr-115.consensus.com [157.22.240.115]) by cerebus.asmrb.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00264; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199710230451.VAA00903@austin.polstra.com> References: Your message of "Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:25:17 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:09:27 -0700 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Christopher Allen Subject: Re: Problem with make install in modula-3-lib-3.6 Cc: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 9:51 PM -0700 10/22/97, John Polstra wrote: >After you run cvsup to get your update, the updated sources will be >in "/usr/src". Next you have to rebuild the system. The basic idea >for doing that is: > > cd /usr/src > make world > >and then go to bed and have a good night's sleep, because it will >take a while (2 to 18 hours, depending on your system). I've done this, and when I got back to my console it says that make world is complete. However, after I reboot, and log on again, I still see: FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE (GENERIC) #0: Tue May 20 10:45:24 GMT 1997 Am I missing some final step? Shouldn't this say 2.2.7-STABLE or some such message? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- .. Christopher Allen 1563 Solano Ave., #353 .. .. ;-> Berkeley, CA 94707-2116 .. .. h510/528-9899 .. .. f510/649-3301 o510/649-3300 .. From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 24 12:19:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA13041 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:19:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA13032 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:19:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA16170; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:19:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199710241919.MAA16170@austin.polstra.com> To: Christopher Allen cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with make install in modula-3-lib-3.6 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:09:27 PDT." Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:19:13 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've done this, and when I got back to my console it says that make > world is complete. > > However, after I reboot, and log on again, I still see: > > FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE (GENERIC) #0: Tue May 20 10:45:24 GMT 1997 > > Am I missing some final step? Yes, now you have to rebuild your kernel. That's not done automatically by "make world". Currently, you're still running the old 2.2.2 kernel. To build yourself a new GENERIC kernel, do this: cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf config GENERIC cd ../../compile/GENERIC make depend make make install and then reboot. If the reboot fails for some reason (which is very unlikely), your old kernel will be in "/kernel.old". You can specify that at the "Boot:" prompt to get your system running again. You also should check your various files in "/etc" against the new ones in "/usr/src/etc", and merge in any changes or additions that have taken place between 2.2.2 and now. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 24 13:42:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA18877 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:42:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from coal.nis.newscorp.com (mxa.newscorp.com [206.15.105.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA18795 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:41:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@multivac.narcissus.net) Received: from multivac.narcissus.net (ts2port53.port.net [207.38.248.181]) by coal.nis.newscorp.com (News Corp SMTP GW 1.1) with SMTP id LAA20490; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by multivac.narcissus.net (NX5.67e/NX3.0S) id AA00218; Fri, 24 Oct 97 11:28:09 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:28:09 -0400 (GMT-0400) From: Snob Art Genre Reply-To: benedict@echonyc.com To: Edwin Culp Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updating EXISTING system... In-Reply-To: <3450A473.77547AA4@mexcom.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Edwin Culp wrote: > I want to confirm that the tag value en cvs-supfile is still > RELENG_2_2 by itself. Yes. > ed > P.D. uname -a still gives 2.2-STABLE FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE #0 is that also > correct? Yes. Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 24 17:25:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA00949 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:25:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from cerebus.asmrb.org (dynamic-addr-116.consensus.com [157.22.240.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA00944 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:25:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gmfangs@asmrb.org) Received: from dynamic-addr-115.consensus.com (dynamic-addr-115.consensus.com [157.22.240.115]) by cerebus.asmrb.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA00205; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199710241919.MAA16170@austin.polstra.com> References: Your message of "Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:09:27 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:21:55 -0700 To: John Polstra From: Christopher Allen Subject: Re: Problem with make install in modula-3-lib-3.6 Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:19 PM -0700 10/24/97, John Polstra wrote: >Yes, now you have to rebuild your kernel. That's not done >automatically by "make world". Currently, you're still running the >old 2.2.2 kernel. > >To build yourself a new GENERIC kernel, do this: > > cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf > config GENERIC > cd ../../compile/GENERIC > make depend > make > make install > >and then reboot. > >If the reboot fails for some reason (which is very unlikely), your >old kernel will be in "/kernel.old". You can specify that at the >"Boot:" prompt to get your system running again. Great! that worked fine. >You also should check your various files in "/etc" against the new >ones in "/usr/src/etc", and merge in any changes or additions that >have taken place between 2.2.2 and now. This was the hardest part (why do they keep changing the names of flags in rc.conf? ;-) Thanks everyone for the help -- I rebuilt my first system and kernel! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- .. Christopher Allen 1563 Solano Ave., #353 .. .. ;-> Berkeley, CA 94707-2116 .. .. h510/528-9899 .. .. f510/649-3301 o510/649-3300 .. From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 24 17:46:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA01857 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:46:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from mh3.cts.com (root@mh3.cts.com [205.163.24.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA01850 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:46:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mdavis@io.cts.com) Received: from io.cts.com (io.cts.com [198.68.174.34]) by mh3.cts.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02811 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mdavis@localhost) by io.cts.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA16020 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:46:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Morgan Davis Message-Id: <199710250046.RAA16020@io.cts.com> Subject: .nfs files lingering To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:46:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On a FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE server that mounts an NFS filesystem from a BSDI 2.1 machine, I'm seeing several .nsf* files showing up... ./king/mbpinc/.nfsA36bd4.4 ./king/rollread/newsletter/.nfsA259a4.4 ./king/newstone/.nfsA1bde4.4 ./king/dsd/temp/.nfsA3ba44.4 ./king/fetf/.nfsA60254.4 ./king/phdtop/.nfsA482d4.4 ./king/phdtop/.nfsB482d4.4 ./crash/jeffmj/exchange/gh/.nfsA32164.4 ./crash/jeffmj/cgi-bin/data/ChatRoomData/gh/.nfsA6d354.4 ./crash/jeffmj/cgi-bin/data/ChatRoomData/gh/.nfsA2dbd4.4 ./crash/jeffmj/cgi-bin/data/ChatRoomData/gh/.nfsA2f5a4.4 ./crash/jeffmj/cgi-bin/data/.nfsA6ed04.4 ./crash/jeffmj/cgi-bin/data/.nfsA31004.4 ...etc. The owner of the directory (and .nfs file) is NOT able to use "rm" to remove it, but root can. Is this indicative of an NFS client-side problem (misconfig) or something awry with the NFS server? --Morgan FreeBSD alfred.cts.com 2.2-STABLE FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE #0: Thu Oct 2 00:53:44 PDT 1997 mdavis@alfred.cts.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/ALFRED i386 From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Oct 24 23:24:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA16787 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:24:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from postman.opengroup.org (postman.opengroup.org [130.105.1.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA16782 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:24:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@loverso.southborough.ma.us) Received: from loverso.southborough.ma.us (simplon.osf.org [130.105.7.200]) by postman.opengroup.org (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA17023 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 02:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.loverso.southborough.ma.us (localhost.loverso.southborough.ma.us [127.0.0.1]) by loverso.southborough.ma.us (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA01921 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 02:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710250624.CAA01921@loverso.southborough.ma.us> X-Authentication-Warning: loverso.southborough.ma.us: Host localhost.loverso.southborough.ma.us [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: changing the extended translation on SCSI controller X-Face: "UZ!}1W2N?eJdN(`1%|/OOPqJ).Idk?UyvWw'W-%`Gto8^IkEm>.g1O$[.;~}8E=Ire0|lO .o>:NlJS1@vO9bVmswRoq3j DdX9YGSeJ5a(mfX[1u>Z63G5_^+'8LVqjqvn X-Url: http://www.osf.org/~loverso/ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 02:24:02 -0400 From: John Robert LoVerso Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a disk (with several filesystems) that I want to move from a machine that has "extended translation" turned on to one where it is turned off. Assuming I'm not booting from it, I should have no problem, right? John From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 25 03:12:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA25626 for stable-outgoing; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 03:12:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from home.shvetc.marka.net.ua (home.shvetc.marka.net.ua [193.193.219.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA25590 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 03:11:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eugene@shvetc.marka.net.ua) Received: from eugene.shvetc.marka.net.ua (eugene.shvetc.marka.net.ua [193.193.219.187]) by home.shvetc.marka.net.ua (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA11544 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 13:11:21 +0300 (EEST) From: "Eugene Shvetc" To: Subject: Frontpage 98 extensions Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 13:11:18 +0300 Message-ID: <01bce12e$55ebe740$bbdbc1c1@eugene.shvetc.marka.net.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk For what version of BSDI, 2.1 or 3.0, Frontpage 98 extensions works on FreeBSD? From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 25 05:48:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA02093 for stable-outgoing; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 05:48:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from imo05.mx.aol.com (imo05.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA02088 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 05:48:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Hetzels@aol.com) From: Hetzels Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 08:46:24 EDT To: eugene@shvetc.marka.net.ua, FreeBSD-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Frontpage 98 extensions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv10) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 97-10-25 06:27:24 EDT, eugene@shvetc.marka.net.ua writes: > For what version of BSDI, 2.1 or 3.0, Frontpage 98 extensions works on > FreeBSD? > I am not sure which version this is but the fp30.bsdi.tar.Z file worked on FreeBSD, before the security problem was found, but now the file dated 10/21/97 at Microsofts site is corrupted. I downloaded the fp30.bsdi3.tar.Z file yesterday and am currently checking if that will work. Scot From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 25 05:50:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA02207 for stable-outgoing; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 05:50:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from adsight.com (adsight.com [207.86.2.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA02202 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 05:50:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from webadmin@adsight.com) Received: from localhost (webadmin@localhost) by adsight.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA04796; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 08:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 08:47:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Magee To: Eugene Shvetc cc: FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frontpage 98 extensions In-Reply-To: <01bce12e$55ebe740$bbdbc1c1@eugene.shvetc.marka.net.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, Eugene Shvetc wrote: > For what version of BSDI, 2.1 or 3.0, Frontpage 98 extensions works on > FreeBSD? > I use the BSDI 2.1 FP extensions on FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE. The original posting of these extensions on microsoft.com a few days ago was corrupt. But they're working now. From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 25 09:54:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA10794 for stable-outgoing; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 09:54:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA10787 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 09:54:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA28466; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 16:52:57 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA10816; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 18:52:55 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 18:52:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199710251652.SAA10816@bitbox.follo.net> From: Eivind Eklund To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: imp@village.org, jdp@polstra.com, mark@quickweb.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message of Fri, 03 Oct 1997 15:53:39 -0700 Subject: Re: CVSUP vs. SNAPS References: <199710032103.PAA12733@harmony.village.org> <24377.875919219@time.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Jordan, when's the first day that you'll listen to new arguments on > > this :-) > > The day after 2.2.5 goes out the door. ;) OK, 2.2.5 is out the door. By changing the name 2.2-STABLE as of today to 2.2.5-STABLE, we get the following effects: (1) Cut the direct link from RELENG_2_2 to the name 2.2-STABLE - people have to know to use the two first digits, instead of the more direct route. (2) Make uname info of what is now 2.2-STABLE usable to determine if features of a certain release is available. My view of this is that to know that 2.2-STABLE matches with the branch tag RELENG_2_2 you already have to know a bit about the way we use CVS. This is a more or less arbitary mapping already. Changing the definition to 'prepend RELENG_ to the two first digits, separating them with underscores' instead of 'prepend RELENG_ to the digits, separating them with underscores' does not increase the level of arbitariness. People that are knowledgable enough to do the transformation should already know that the first and second numbers indicate a branch, and that the third number indicate a release. I'd say the change will be of benefit, and as far as I can see won't hurt anything. Eivind. From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 25 11:12:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA13807 for stable-outgoing; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 11:12:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from room101.sysc.com (qmailr@richmojm2.student.rose-hulman.edu [137.112.206.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA13786 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 11:12:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jayrich@room101.sysc.com) Received: (qmail 13523 invoked by uid 1000); 25 Oct 1997 18:12:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 13:12:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Jay M. Richmond" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-bugs@freebsd.org Subject: tin not working in 2.2-stable Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I get the following message when running tin under the latest 2.2-stable. jayrich@room101$ tin -r tin 1.3 unoff BETA release 970424 [UNIX] (c) Copyright 1991-97 Iain Lea. Reading config file... Connecting to newshost.cs.rose-hulman.edu... Reading groups from active file...\tin: memory exhausted trying to allocate 656064 bytes in file ././memory.c line 120 According to top there's plenty of memory available. Am I missing something or was something broken? It was working last night before I compiled the latest stable kernel. Thanks Jay __ Jay Richmond BDIC Consulting Group Box 1229 http://bdic.sysc.com Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology (317) 407-7701 5500 Wabash Avenue Rose-Hulman Terre Haute, IN 47803-3999 (812) 877-8772 -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzQe9IMAAAEEAKVCBVhfVHCyNOsNvCwXbamYDslPoBoUgllJxGWrjYr8+XOS mAIo6VNyR6E0Q57SICfxAlw8CfrW3jSFZxCalyAr7f4SU/ioF7qOx9AEeRePKbQD XQYT/eUirjo4h1TzQPWMrlGtnehTJfX4LKLeu8WRsMog/6LMzxBohdeuTAY9AAUR tCJKYXkgTS4gUmljaG1vbmQgPGpheXJpY2hAc3lzYy5jb20+ =PTZq -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 25 14:51:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA25671 for stable-outgoing; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 14:51:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA25664 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 14:51:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mouth@ibm.net) Received: from slip129-37-195-101.nc.us.ibm.net (slip129-37-195-101.nc.us.ibm.net [129.37.195.101]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA178276 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:51:40 GMT From: mouth@ibm.net (John Kelly) To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Please don't hurry Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:53:03 GMT Message-ID: <345260f6.1453370@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> References: <199710250440.VAA12327@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <199710250440.VAA12327@hub.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id OAA25665 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 Oct 1997 21:40:01 -0700 (PDT), "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > That's what I'll probably do. When I checked into this, I realized > that the ports team neglected to provide a version of the lynx package > which matched the ports collection version this time around and hence > it's missing from the INDEX, leading to its not being listed there at > all in sysinstall's package installer menu. :-( > > Oh well! > > Jordan May I make some suggestions for 2.2.6? Use a longer beta cycle with new SNAPs cut weekly instead of daily, and run that for seven to ten weeks. I think many people like myself who are not closely involved with development don't have time to do any testing when the SNAPs are cut daily for only a couple of weeks. Once you have a really good SNAP, cut a small production run CD set and sell these to people who want to test out the new release. Do at least two of these, maybe even three or four, extending the beta cycle to a much larger testing audience. I would readily pay $30 or so to pre-subscribe to the beta CDs in the hope of helping refine the 2.2.X series for a classic final release. If several hundred users would pre-subscrible for them, you should be able to cover the cost of producing and mailing them. When you finally have a CD set that needs no more changes, go with that one, unchanged, as the real production release. Under no circumstances should you make any changes, even trivial ones, between the final beta CD and the real production run. The risk of new bugs introduced by last minute changes is too great. I realize this suggestion would extend the beta cycle to three or four months, perhaps unheard of for FreeBSD, but I would like to see the final 2.2.X release as near to perfect as possible because it might be a long time before I'm ready for anything in the 3.X series, even after it goes stable. While it's true that I can always CVSup fixes if the CD has bugs, if you have a pack of production machines to install and maintain, it sure is nice to just stick the CD in the drive, install, and be done with it. John From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 25 19:39:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA11453 for stable-outgoing; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 19:39:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.2.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA11448 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 19:39:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freebie.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.3/8.8.3a) id TAA16996; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 19:38:25 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199710260238.TAA16996@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Please don't hurry To: mouth@ibm.net (John Kelly) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 19:38:24 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <345260f6.1453370@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> from John Kelly at "Oct 25, 97 09:53:03 pm" Reply-to: chad@dcfinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > If several hundred users would pre-subscrible for them, you should be > able to cover the cost of producing and mailing them. > > When you finally have a CD set that needs no more changes, go with > that one, unchanged, as the real production release. Under no > circumstances should you make any changes, even trivial ones, between > the final beta CD and the real production run. The risk of new bugs > introduced by last minute changes is too great. > > I realize this suggestion would extend the beta cycle to three or four > months, perhaps unheard of for FreeBSD, but I would like to see the > final 2.2.X release as near to perfect as possible because it might be > a long time before I'm ready for anything in the 3.X series, even > after it goes stable. > > While it's true that I can always CVSup fixes if the CD has bugs, if > you have a pack of production machines to install and maintain, it > sure is nice to just stick the CD in the drive, install, and be done > with it. Well said. An as a shop that is running production stuff on FreeBSD, I agree completely about stability. That's why we're running FreeBSD instead of Linux, and why we're running 2.1.7 or 2.1-STABLE. > John -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-953-1392 chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com crl22@aol.com DCF, Inc. - 14523 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254 From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 25 20:19:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA13924 for stable-outgoing; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:19:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA13914 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:19:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mouth@ibm.net) Received: from slip129-37-195-119.nc.us.ibm.net (slip129-37-195-119.nc.us.ibm.net [129.37.195.119]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA71686 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 03:19:00 GMT From: mouth@ibm.net (John Kelly) To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Please don't hurry Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 03:20:23 GMT Message-ID: <3452b485.22772619@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> References: <199710250440.VAA12327@hub.freebsd.org> <345260f6.1453370@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> In-Reply-To: <345260f6.1453370@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id UAA13917 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:53:03 GMT, mouth@ibm.net (John Kelly) wrote: >If several hundred users would pre-subscrible for them, you should be >able to cover the cost of producing and mailing them. Ahem. Pre-subscrible? What a concept. Hundreds of FreeBSD users hurriedly scribbling their way into a beta program. (Sorry about replying to my own message but that typo was too good to pass up.) John From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Oct 25 21:10:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA15757 for stable-outgoing; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:10:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA15746 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0xPK1T-0002LG-00; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 22:09:56 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.7/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA11657; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 22:10:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199710260410.WAA11657@harmony.village.org> To: Eivind Eklund Subject: Re: CVSUP vs. SNAPS Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , jdp@polstra.com, mark@quickweb.com, stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 25 Oct 1997 18:52:55 +0200." <199710251652.SAA10816@bitbox.follo.net> References: <199710251652.SAA10816@bitbox.follo.net> <199710032103.PAA12733@harmony.village.org> <24377.875919219@time.cdrom.com> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 22:10:16 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199710251652.SAA10816@bitbox.follo.net> Eivind Eklund writes: : I'd say the change will be of benefit, and as far as I can see won't : hurt anything. I think this is an excellent idea, but you likely already know that... Warner p.s. just to make things easier... :-) Index: src/sys/conf/newvers.sh =================================================================== RCS file: /home/imp/FreeBSD/CVS/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh,v retrieving revision 1.26.2.18 diff -u -r1.26.2.18 newvers.sh --- newvers.sh 1997/10/21 13:27:40 1.26.2.18 +++ newvers.sh 1997/10/26 04:07:58 @@ -35,7 +35,7 @@ # $Id: newvers.sh,v 1.26.2.18 1997/10/21 13:27:40 jkh Exp $ TYPE="FreeBSD" -REVISION="2.2" +REVISION="2.2.5" BRANCH="STABLE" RELEASE="${REVISION}-${BRANCH}" SNAPDATE=""