From owner-freebsd-www Sun Mar 30 13:29:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA13952 for www-outgoing; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 13:29:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (cisco-ts14-line16.uoregon.edu [128.223.150.182]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13944 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 13:29:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA00554; Sun, 30 Mar 1997 13:28:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 13:28:20 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Linda Howard cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Information In-Reply-To: <199703281342.FAA16702@pe.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 28 Mar 1997, Linda Howard wrote: > I'm new to the InterNet and found your information very interesting. > Is this all really free? If it is then I would like to have the > software for Windows 95. I showed your information to another > teacher and he is interested also. He tried to pull you up in his > system and couldn't get through. Would you please send information > to him at MeKelley@inetworld.com > Please confirm this request. Thanking you in advance. FreeBSD is a stand-alone operating system, which would run _instead_ of Windows 95 on your PCs. But yes, it is free. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-www Mon Mar 31 01:50:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA02688 for www-outgoing; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 01:50:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA02681 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 01:50:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA00618; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 01:49:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 01:49:06 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Valenzuela Sanchez Carlos cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: POPPER In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Valenzuela Sanchez Carlos wrote: > > > I want to know how to install a popper for my FreeBSD system > a just get the qualcomm popper but ther is no FreeBSD option > a try to compiled with 44bsd and bsdi but i could'n > > > Can you tell me how to install the popper!! Fetch the port from ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/ports-2.1.7/mail/popper, build, and install. See the Handbook for instructions on using ports. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-www Mon Mar 31 09:24:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28294 for www-outgoing; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 09:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from homer.bethel.edu (homer.acs.bethel.edu [140.88.128.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28264 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 09:24:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from turing.acs.bethel.edu (turing.acs.bethel.edu [140.88.5.23]) by homer.bethel.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12966 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:23:54 -0600 (CST) Received: by turing.acs.bethel.edu (NX5.67e) id AA08546; Mon, 31 Mar 97 11:24:27 -0600 Message-Id: <9703311724.AA08546@turing.acs.bethel.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: "Brad G. Parks" Date: Mon, 31 Mar 97 11:24:26 -0600 To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Contacting FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am hereby requesting permission to reproduce and disseminate The "Legal Notice Regarding Junk E-mail/Spam" found on your site at http://www.cdrom.com/info/wmaster.htm I work part-time at a small Internet service provider in Minnesota and would love to be allowed to use that notice or something very similar to it as part of our policy. I also would like to use it when it is necessary to remove a spammer's account from our system. Thanks in Advance, -Brad Parks From owner-freebsd-www Mon Mar 31 16:56:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA25041 for www-outgoing; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:56:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25028; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA13143; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:56:08 -0800 (PST) To: hubs@freebsd.org cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Unified download stats [and better presentation of same] Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:56:07 -0800 Message-ID: <13139.859856167@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've been getting more and more emails lately from folks asking me why we're not doing more to call attention to all of FreeBSD's cool features, it's growing popularity in the marketplace and so on. I sometimes wonder this too, and occasionally I even wander over to Red Hat's site and look at all the (paid, full-time) energy that they've managed to pour into their site and I get a little depressed about it, so rather than cry into my milk I decided to start doing at least *something* to make better use of our statistical information in marketing ourselves, and the first step (IMHO) is to get a better feel for how many copies of FreeBSD are being downloaded each day with the eventual intention of putting this information up on a web page. As a very rough and first-order attempt at this, for the last week or so I've been having ftp.freebsd.org send me little messages like this: From: "Root wcarchive.cdrom.com" Message-Id: <199703311111.DAA07942@wcarchive.cdrom.com> To: freebsd-stats@freebsd.org FreeBSD downloads over last 24 hours (up to Mar 31 03:01) from ftp.FreeBSD.org: 3.0-970209-SNAP 14 copies. 2.1.7.1-RELEASE 53 copies. 2.2.1-RELEASE 139 copies. and I have found it to be informative for keeping track of which releases seem to be popular and what seems to drive demand. It only shows ONE mirror site, however, and this is a drawback which we need to address before such statistics will become truly useful. We also need to make sure of the accuracy of our statistics, and this means that any mirrors which are mirroring things multiple times (I seem to recall Christoph Kukulies having some problems with this?) need to be identified and their duplicate entries filtered out of the raw data. I'm already suspicious that our numbers from ftp.freebsd.org may be inflated by as much as 10% due to bogus repetitive mirroring, and if anyone has any ideas on filtering this out of 500MB weekly xferlogs (I figure you'd need at least a week's granularity to do proper detection), I'm more than open to suggestions. I really do want these stats to be as accurate as possible, neither under or over inflated, since bogus stats help noone. I also need to somehow collect stats for all the mirrors, run once a day and sent to the ``freebsd-stats@freebsd.org'' alias I've just created on freefall. This currently fans out to just David Greenman, myself and Poul-Henning but it could just as easily be a mailing list for those interested in the same information. Ideally, one of our webfolk would also collect the info and chart it on the "FreeBSD Bragging Page" one of us (even if it has to be me :) will be putting up soon, right? :-) So, to summarize: 1. Anyone have a good way of detecting mirror looping from wu-ftpd style xferlogs? This would help both our bandwidth and our stats. 2. Would those hubs who are willing to participate in this be willing to run a little something from /etc/daily (or whatever crontab driven thing they have on their mirror machine) which summarizes the stats and sends it to the freebsd-stats@freebsd.org redistribution point? For stats collection, I'm currently just using this braindead little shell script: #!/bin/sh if [ $? -lt 1 ]; then file=/var/log/xferlog.day else file=$1 fi date=`ls -l $file | awk '{print $6 " " $7 " " $8}'` echo "FreeBSD downloads over last 24 hours (up to $date) from ftp.FreeBSD.org:" awk '/.16\/FreeBSD\/.*\/bin\/bin.aa/ { files[$9]++; } END { for (i in files) if (files[i] > 1) printf("\t%s\t%4d copies.\n", i, files[i]); }' $file | sed -e 's;/.16/FreeBSD/\(.*\)/bin/bin.aa;\1;' It's hard-coded for ftp.freebsd.org's FTP setup, of course, and the output it emits is more designed for humans than machine tabulation. Perhaps the stats counter we eventually come up with should have both? A nice textual summary and then a little embedded comment somewhere in it which just contains the raw numbers for a counter / web page generator's benefit would be ideal, I'd think. The ultimate goal here is, of course, to have a page at www.freebsd.org (and its mirrors) which shows the world-wide weekly download count, perhaps even with a little pie-chart showing it by country, and CD sales to some rough approximation. Assuming that the numbers are impressive, this would then be excellent fodder for people giving talks or trying to talk ISVs and other vendor into supporting FreeBSD in some way. Comments? Any perl programmers out here who'd care to give me an assist in producing the more definitive daily stats summarizer? :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-www Mon Mar 31 18:42:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA01794 for www-outgoing; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:42:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01775; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:42:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id NAA27747; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 13:01:30 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 13:01:29 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hubs@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Unified download stats [and better presentation of same] In-Reply-To: <13139.859856167@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > As a very rough and first-order attempt at this, for the last week or > so I've been having ftp.freebsd.org send me little messages like this: > > From: "Root wcarchive.cdrom.com" > Message-Id: <199703311111.DAA07942@wcarchive.cdrom.com> > To: freebsd-stats@freebsd.org > > FreeBSD downloads over last 24 hours (up to Mar 31 03:01) from ftp.FreeBSD.org: > 3.0-970209-SNAP 14 copies. > 2.1.7.1-RELEASE 53 copies. > 2.2.1-RELEASE 139 copies. Looks good. > shows ONE mirror site, however, and this is a drawback which we need > to address before such statistics will become truly useful. We also > need to make sure of the accuracy of our statistics, and this means > that any mirrors which are mirroring things multiple times (I seem to > recall Christoph Kukulies having some problems with this?) need to be > identified and their duplicate entries filtered out of the raw data. > I also need to somehow collect stats for all the mirrors, run once a > day and sent to the ``freebsd-stats@freebsd.org'' alias I've just > 1. Anyone have a good way of detecting mirror looping from > wu-ftpd style xferlogs? > This would help both our bandwidth and our stats. I see you have made 221/usr/src/release/sysinstall/ftp.c announce itself as 'installer' in the password/e-mail address field.) Would it be possible for cooperating hubs to announce themselves consistently in the password/e-mail field too? That would certainly make it easier. Danny From owner-freebsd-www Mon Mar 31 22:36:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA13826 for www-outgoing; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 22:36:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA13821; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 22:36:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA14072; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 22:35:42 -0800 (PST) To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" cc: hubs@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Unified download stats [and better presentation of same] In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 01 Apr 1997 13:01:29 +1000." Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 22:35:42 -0800 Message-ID: <14068.859876542@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I see you have made 221/usr/src/release/sysinstall/ftp.c > announce itself as 'installer' in the password/e-mail address field.) > Would it be possible for cooperating hubs to announce themselves > consistently in the password/e-mail field too? That would certainly make > it easier. Yes, that would, though we can probably just as easily ID them by hostname. :-) My primary hope at this point is that we can at least combine logging information and come up with a single consistent format for it. Since I haven't out and out made a proposal on this format yet, here's my shot at it: Each cooperating hub site would scan its logs once every 24 hours and spit out a single email message to freebsd-stats@freebsd.org containing a record like this: FTP mirror name date information ... Where the number of entries in .. is somewhat variable depending on what's on the mirror sites. Jordan From owner-freebsd-www Tue Apr 1 01:38:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA21325 for www-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 01:38:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailrelay.tiac.net (mailrelay.tiac.net [199.0.65.237]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA21320 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 01:38:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from lcs.tiac.net (p24.gw1.medwa.MA.tiac.com [206.119.240.89]) by mailrelay.tiac.net (8.8.5/) with SMTP id EAA10197; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 04:38:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970401043806.008a55c0@pop.tiac.net> X-Sender: sheryls@pop.tiac.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 04:38:06 -0500 To: www@FreeBSD.ORG From: LinkMonster Subject: Best Submission of the Day! Cc: morley@interlog.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello and Congratulations! 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Suite 103 Franklin, Massachusetts, USA 02038-2861 508.541.0025 Voice -------------------------- 508.541.7927 Fax From owner-freebsd-www Tue Apr 1 03:59:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA27071 for www-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 03:59:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from dab.iit.uni-miskolc.hu (dab.iit.uni-miskolc.hu [193.6.4.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA27066 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 03:59:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rutz@localhost) by dab.iit.uni-miskolc.hu (8.7.6/8.7.3) id NAA07192; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 13:58:41 GMT Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 13:58:37 +0000 () From: Antal Rutz To: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Subdomain registration In-Reply-To: <199704010927.BAA16096@root.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear Webmaster! As we became an official mirror of WWW.FreeBSD.ORG we would like to mirror (update the mirror) daily. We use now webcopy but it isn't a professional tool to do that. (Beacuse the sup service from freefall (dist:www) doesn't live anymore.) Could you tell me how to mirror WWW by another (more comfortable) way? Thanks a lot. --Antal Rutz From owner-freebsd-www Tue Apr 1 05:26:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA01040 for www-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 05:26:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.voyageronline.net (Earth.VoyagerOnline.net [206.155.203.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA01034 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 05:26:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from proxy.heartinst.com (SUPERVISOR@proxy.heartinst.com [207.48.229.83]) by earth.voyageronline.net (8.8.5/8.7.3b) with SMTP id IAA09998; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 08:26:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <334138BF.357A@voyageronline.net> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 08:33:03 -0800 From: Fil Manley Reply-To: fmanley@voyageronline.net Organization: The Chattanooga Heart Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@FreeBSD.ORG CC: slipknot@earth.voyageronline.net Subject: JAVA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does Java work with freeBSD?? -- Fil Manley / The Chattanooga Heart Institute - Information Systems http://www.heartinst.com From owner-freebsd-www Tue Apr 1 06:14:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA03131 for www-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 06:14:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA03124 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 06:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA17659; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:12:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:12:58 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Antal Rutz cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Subdomain registration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Antal Rutz wrote: > Could you tell me how to mirror WWW by another (more comfortable) way? > Thanks a lot. http://www.freebsd.org/mirror.html Note that the rsync referenced is *not* the same as rsync in the ports collection (unless things changed recently). -john From owner-freebsd-www Tue Apr 1 06:15:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA03162 for www-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 06:15:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA03110 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 06:13:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA17663; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:13:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:13:40 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Fil Manley cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG, slipknot@earth.voyageronline.net Subject: Re: JAVA In-Reply-To: <334138BF.357A@voyageronline.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Fil Manley wrote: > Does Java work with freeBSD?? Yes. -john From owner-freebsd-www Tue Apr 1 06:50:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA04856 for www-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 06:50:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from cscfx.sytex.com (rwc@cscfx.sytex.com [205.147.190.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA04850 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 06:50:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rwc@localhost) by cscfx.sytex.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA01918 for www@freebsd.org; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:52:22 -0500 From: Richard Cramer Message-Id: <199704011452.JAA01918@cscfx.sytex.com> Subject: Contact for Washington DC FreeBSD users group To: www@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 09:52:21 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Webmaster... Jordan suggested I email you concerning the formation of WashDC-FreeBSD Users Group. I would appreciate if you would put on the Web site the following contact information: WashingtonDC-FreeBSD Users Group (DC Metropolitan Area - N.VA, MD, DC) Please contact: Richard Cramer Sytex Access Ltd. 703-425-2515 email: rcramer@sytex.net Thanks, Dick -- Richard Cramer rcramer@sytex.net Phone: 703-425-2515 President Fax: 703-425-4585 SytexNet(tm) Sytex Access Ltd. POB 2385, Fairfax, VA 22031-0385 From owner-freebsd-www Tue Apr 1 08:19:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA09841 for www-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 08:19:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from tacitus.globecomm.net (tacitus.globecomm.net [207.51.48.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA09832 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 08:19:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ogelb.pathcom.com (ts13l5.pathcom.com [207.245.16.24]) by tacitus.globecomm.net (8.8.5/8.8.0) with SMTP id LAA22271 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:19:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19691231190000.0069332c@pathway1.pathcom.com> Disposition-Notification-To: X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 11:21:55 -0500 To: www@FreeBSD.ORG From: Oren Gelb Subject: What's This? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! I am hoping you could explain to me exactly what FreeBSD does. It's not exactly clear from your web-site. I might be interested. Thanks, Oren ____________________________________________ __:)__HAVE A HAPPY DAY__(:____________________ ____________________________________________ Oren Gelb o o Tel: (905)707-7240 -----uuuu-------U-------uuuu----- eMail: oren@writeme.com ____________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-www Tue Apr 1 15:17:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11599 for www-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:17:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11594 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:17:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA04081; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:16:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:16:43 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Oren Gelb cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What's This? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19691231190000.0069332c@pathway1.pathcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Oren Gelb wrote: > Hi! > I am hoping you could explain to me exactly what FreeBSD does. It's not > exactly clear from your web-site. I might be interested. You missed the Handbook and FAQ, I guess :) FreeBSD is a freely available UNIX-style operating system for i386 PCs. Take a look at http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ at question 1.2. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-www Tue Apr 1 16:14:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA16683 for www-outgoing; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 16:14:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [198.53.145.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16665 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 16:14:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [207.34.203.172] (ip203-172.cc.interlog.com [207.34.203.172]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.8.3/8.7.6) with SMTP id TAA28995 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 19:14:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199704020014.TAA28995@smtp.interlog.com> Subject: LinkMonster Prize Date: Tue, 1 Apr 97 19:14:37 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Morley Chalmers To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Congratulations, you've won yourself a copy of 7Office. 7Office is a small business database combining the functionality of contact management with invoicing, including aged receivables. List management, prospect callback, meeting scheduling, correspondence, invoicing, aged receivables all in one. Visit the extensive website for details and to download the program. When you have opened the program, go to the Password screen and note down the "Password Key" (top left of the screen) and send it to me by eMail. I will send you your permanent password. Currently, to run 7Office you also need the FileMaker database program. (See the website for details and a trial version.) However we anticipate delivering a version of 7Office with the database engine built in. No date set so that we don't break promises. I will notify you when that version becomes available. Again, congratulations. 7Office is a sophisticated piece of business software. M *************************************************************************** Morley Chalmers - morley@interlog.com - http://www.7Office.com 7OFFICE - integrated, intuitive small business manager -- invoicing, purchasing, accounts receivable, call reports, meeting/ callback scheduling, to do reminders, correspondence, bulk mailing, etc. *************************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-www Wed Apr 2 05:05:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA28687 for www-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 05:05:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA28681 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 05:05:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05620 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:05:44 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from cayman.ucs.indiana.edu (cayman.ucs.indiana.edu [129.79.10.63]) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA04958 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 02:15:06 -0500 (EST) X-Received: from dab.iit.uni-miskolc.hu (dab.iit.uni-miskolc.hu [193.6.4.1]) by cayman.ucs.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5/1.13IUPO) with ESMTP id CAA03663 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 02:14:58 -0500 (EST) X-Received: (from rutz@localhost) by dab.iit.uni-miskolc.hu (8.7.6/8.7.3) id JAA21271; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:14:33 GMT Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:14:33 +0000 () From: Antal Rutz To: John Fieber Subject: Re: Subdomain registration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ReSent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:05:29 -0500 (EST) ReSent-From: John Fieber ReSent-To: www@freebsd.org ReSent-Message-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Could you put us into the list of mirrors on WWW.FreeBSD.ORG? (www.hu.freebsd.org) Thanks. --Antal Rutz From owner-freebsd-www Wed Apr 2 06:35:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA02384 for www-outgoing; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 06:35:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from spider.cris.net (spider.cris.net [194.93.176.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA02366 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 06:35:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from bird.cris.net (bird.cris.net [194.93.177.10]) by spider.cris.net (8.6.12/8.6.10.1) with ESMTP id RAA04224 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:36:32 +0400 Received: (from phantom@localhost) by bird.cris.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA04291 for www@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:29:55 +0400 (MSD) From: "Alexey M. Zelkin" Message-Id: <199704021029.OAA04291@bird.cris.net> Subject: question To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:29:55 +0400 (MSD) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, nice picture "gifs/powerlogo.gif" question about rights: Can this picture be used on my home Web server (this free picture, such as appache logo, or none)? Regards, Alexey Zelkin phantom@ccssu.crimea.ua ph@sunbay.crimea.ua From owner-freebsd-www Thu Apr 3 03:46:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA17228 for www-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 03:46:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from starfire.mn.org (root@starfire.skypoint.net [199.86.32.187]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA17221 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 03:46:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from dexter.starfire.mn.org (john@localhost.starfire.mn.org [127.0.0.1]) by starfire.mn.org (8.8.5/1.1) with SMTP id FAA23427 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 05:46:44 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <334398A3.41C67EA6@starfire.mn.org> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 05:46:43 -0600 From: John Lind X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD search capability Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I was trying to search for information on NIS+, but the search engine seems to ignore the +. I read the hints on searching, but didn't see anything about meta characters or quoting. Thanks! -- John Lind, Starfire Consulting Services E-mail: john@starfire.MN.ORG USnail: PO Box 17247, Mpls MN 55417 From owner-freebsd-www Thu Apr 3 06:30:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA25161 for www-outgoing; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 06:30:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mirriwinni.cse.rmit.edu.au (pm.cse.rmit.EDU.AU [131.170.118.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA25135 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 06:30:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from phillip@localhost) by mirriwinni.cse.rmit.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA05065; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 00:29:55 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 00:29:55 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199704031429.AAA05065@mirriwinni.cse.rmit.edu.au> From: Phillip Musumeci To: www@freebsd.org Subject: [dawes@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au: Re: Melbourne/RMIT mirror of FreeBSD] Reply-to: phillip@rmit.edu.au Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, David Dawes has added the entry ftp6.au.freebsd.org for this system which is now operating as an ftp mirror site of his ftp.au.freebsd.org pub/FreeBSD/2.2.1-RELEASE material (and a bit of other stuff). Should I setup any particular email aliases @ftp6.au.freebsd.org? Also, is there a list of files for people to mirror if they also want to be a www mirror (which I could fairly easily do but a recursive wget might not be a good idea)? Thanks, phillip ------- Start of forwarded message ------- From: David Dawes Subject: Re: Melbourne/RMIT mirror of FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199704020501.PAA03056@mirriwinni.cse.rmit.edu.au> from Phillip Musumeci at "Apr 2, 97 03:01:23 pm" To: phillip@pm.cse.rmit.EDU.AU (Phillip Musumeci) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 18:12:20 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have been unofficially acting as an ftp mirror for FreeBSD, first in >Canberra and now in Melbourne. I use ftp.au.freebsd.au as my primary >source for the mirror utility. > >I would like to be another official Australian mirror. If this is OK with >FreeBSD.ORG, could you add > >ftp?.au.freebsd.org 131.170.118.50 # ?=whatever number I am > >to your nameserver and add my system to the advertising. You can use I've added this as ftp6.au.freebsd.org. As to advertising/documentation, this is maintained centrally by the FreeBSD team, and www@freebsd.org should be contacted to update this. David ------- End of forwarded message ------- From owner-freebsd-www Fri Apr 4 05:35:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA07970 for www-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 05:35:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA07965; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 05:35:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA01852; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 05:35:49 -0800 (PST) To: hackers@freebsd.org cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Better late than never... The FreeBSD News! Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 05:35:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1848.860160949@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk OK folks, sorry for the delay on this.. As I intimated last week, the "FreeBSD News" newsletter publication thingy is now past the early planning & layout stages and into the "who will write the articles?" stage. We're not looking for anything super ambitious in the way of articles here, just something which describes an interesting use you're making of FreeBSD or aims itself at educating the new user about some aspect of FreeBSD's infrastructure (Davidg talking about wcarchive, mpp talking about GNATs and how to use it, jmb talking about the mailing lists, etc). Generic "how to configure your " sorts of tutorials would be nice too. Length should be 300-400 words, though shorter "quick tip" articles are always welcome too. We can make the panels any size we want. :) This introductory issue isn't going to be very large (maybe 6 pages, counting both front and back covers) and it's intended more to give a taste of things to come than anything else, also setting the stage with some of the "what is FreeBSD?" boilerplate that will take up permanent residence in the front). That doesn't mean you shouldn't all submit articles like crazy, of course, since there's always the next issue(s) and one can *never have enough articles*! :) "How much does it pay?" you ask me. "Erm, $0.00" I answer. Sorry 'bout that, but Walnut Creek CDROM is looking for strictly volunteer writers for TFN and for good reason - anything published in the Nooze will be treated the same as BSD-copyrighted code going into the source tree - you can redistribute, republish, do whatever you like with it. Sell it to other magazines, we don't care! The good news: You don't have to sweat the formatting because the whole thing is going to be typeset in Quark, that being what our art dept. uses and is familiar with. Just raw ascii text files will do, along with any .gif or .jpeg files for figures and drawings (Fig 1: "new growth in FreeBSD userbase indexed against coffee sales world-wide") and they'll make it all look neat. As the editor, I will also run a spell checker over it and make suggestions about any particularly odd passages I find (:-). I'll also make an archive of all the submissions available via FTP, of course, and wosch, I'm sure, will also have an HTML-ifying script put together for it all before the first issue reaches the subscribers. :) Walnut Creek CDROM will be printing and mailing some 30,000 copies of this issue, and when you add to that the # of people who will probably read it on the web, that's actually a pretty fair audience. I only now hope that we can get content from one part of our user base for the other part to read! :-) The deadline for submissions is April 21st. Again, we're not talking War & Peace here, just ~300 words or less, subject of course to negotiation (if you're being positively fascinating, I suppose we can always include more words and knock the point size down a notch or try to beg another page out of the publisher [WC]). What have you got to lose? Go ahead! Send me some text! It doesn't have to be pretty, we'll doctor it up before the deadline! Let's get this publication on the road and get some serious articles going! Yeah! Rah rah rah!! [cue inspirational theme music from "Rocky"] :-) Some example topics just off the top of my head for those suffering from writer's block and/or deep existential angst: o The FreeBSD mailing lists and how to make them work for you. [jmb? :)] o The FreeBSD web site - an overview of services offered. o The FreeBSD problem reporting mechanism - how to submit reports and how to search for them. [ mpp is signed up for this ]. o Staying up to date with {CVSup | CTM} [jdp? phk? :)] o Setting up an effective X desktop environment. o How FreeBSD is developed [subtitle: What are core team members and committers and how does one become one?]. o Installing and managing your Apache web server. o Installing and managing SAMBA for Win95/NT interoperability o Running Linux binaries under FreeBSD - what to do and where to get the libraries. o A comparison between FreeBSD and Linux [special note: This topic reserved for someone with cojones the size of coconuts]. Also don't fall into the trap of thinking that you have to write something brand-spanking-new for the newsletter in order for it to have any value - you don't! Think of your readers as newborn babes who just found FreeBSD under a rock and haven't the faintest idea that there is even a web page for it, much less looked at it. Perhaps a previously written handbook section can find new life as a short column? Perhaps so! Also, as I told Mike Pritchard when I asked him about doing a "GNATs & how to use it" article, much of this material can also, with a little editing, do double-duty as periodic posting fodder for comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce. I've really neglected the whole "periodic posting" thing for awhile now, and if I had short, up-to-date descriptions of the mailing lists and bug reporting mechanisms as well as a web resource summary, I'd post each once a month for the benefit of new users. All correspondence to me please (and watch your cc lines! I don't think all of -hackers wants to read your first draft :-). Thanks! Jordan From owner-freebsd-www Fri Apr 4 05:45:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA08610 for www-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 05:45:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from netuno.fe.usp.br ([143.107.48.37]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA08599 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 05:45:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from giordan@localhost) by netuno.fe.usp.br (8.8.5/8.7.3) id KAA00352; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:45:17 -0300 (EST) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:45:17 -0300 (EST) From: Marcelo Giordan To: www@freebsd.org Subject: Multimedia list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk hi, i've heard from somoeome there is a list about multimedia envolving freebsd users. could you confirm and send me the e-mail for subscription ? thanks Marcelo Giordan EDM - Faculdade de Educacao - USP e-mail: giordan@fe.usp.br voice/fax:55-11-8150297 Av. da Universidade 308, CEP:05508-900 Sao Paulo, S.P. Brazil From owner-freebsd-www Fri Apr 4 20:42:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA20382 for www-outgoing; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 20:42:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA20377 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 20:42:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA02657; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 20:42:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 20:42:26 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Marcelo Giordan cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multimedia list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Marcelo Giordan wrote: > i've heard from somoeome there is a list about multimedia envolving > freebsd users. could you confirm and send me the e-mail for subscription ? You are looking for the freebsd-multimedia list. Write majordomo@freebsd.org with message text 'subscribe freebsd-multimedia'. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-www Sat Apr 5 16:46:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA11776 for www-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 16:46:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11771; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 16:46:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jkh@localhost) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) id QAA02661; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 16:46:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 16:46:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199704060046.QAA02661@time.cdrom.com> To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: What http://www.freebsd.org/ports *should* look like. :-) Cc: www@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk http://hpux.cs.utah.edu/ John Fieber pointed me at this today and I'm quite impressed. If we needed a model to aspire to, we need look no further than this one. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-www Sat Apr 5 20:56:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA22185 for www-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 20:56:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from vuser.vu.union.edu (rileyt@vuser.vu.union.edu [149.106.37.197]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22174 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 20:56:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (rileyt@localhost) by vuser.vu.union.edu (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id XAA21522 for ; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 23:56:01 -0500 Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 23:56:01 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Riley To: www@freebsd.org Subject: help Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk hi...i attempted to install the freebsd, but did not succeed. Now when i boot up my computer i get the boot option menu, and as far as i know, have no way of getting back into win 95. PLEASE help me if you can...thanks a lot. From owner-freebsd-www Sat Apr 5 21:48:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA26178 for www-outgoing; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 21:48:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA26154; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 21:47:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jkh@localhost) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) id VAA00794; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 21:47:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 21:47:55 -0800 (PST) From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199704060547.VAA00794@time.cdrom.com> To: jfieber@freebsd.org Subject: Speaking about the countries menu - ahem ahem! ;) Cc: www@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there any movement afoot to change it? It's just too damn big, and another couple of countries added and it's going to take a 1600x1200 screen to see the whole thing. :-) I think HP's flags-of-many countries java applet (which they use on that ports page I just pointed everyone at) is just peachy, myself, but I do understand the need to continue to support text browsers. ;-) Jordan