From owner-freebsd-www Sun Aug 31 12:47:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA15258 for www-outgoing; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 12:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.wco.com (cbytes@shell.wco.com [199.4.94.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA15251 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 12:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cbytes@localhost) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) id MAA04964 for www@freebsd.org; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 12:47:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Cheap*Bytes Sales Message-Id: <199708311947.MAA04964@shell.wco.com> Subject: Getting info added to website... To: www@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 12:47:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We recently have put together a FreeBSD CD for people. What is the process to have our information listed on the web page? Below is our announcement regarding this. We have had several customers ask for this, so it seems FreeBSD is becoming more popular. We like it too! Your assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. --------------------------------------- Cheap*Bytes CD-ROM with FreeBSD(r) 2.2.2 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Cheap*Bytes, a company that specializes in low cost technical products, announces the following: Cheap*Bytes CD-ROM with FreeBSD 2.2.2 ------------> $ 4.99 each Part Number: 0070010225 See Below for Other Slackware Offerings FreeBSD 2.2.2 can be used as a UNIX (r) workstation for purposes from running Web Servers to software development. The CD-ROM offered includes: * EZSTART floppy diskette creator * XFree86 3.2 * XFree86 3.3 * Updated boot floppy images * Source code * All software to install and run FreeBSD 1. ORDERING INFORMATION - ------------------------ To order with your chargecard, you can use our *SECURED* web page at: http://www.cheapbytes.com Or just send us e-mail to sales@cheapbytes.com for details if you do not have Web access. Shipping charges will be applied depending on destination. Orders for just this product will be shipped via U.S. First Class Mail or U.S. Airmail depending on destination. For shipping and handling charges, please review our Web page. All prices are in U.S. dollars. International and chargecard orders are both gladly accepted. Checks and money orders are accepted which are drawn in U.S. dollars. Please see our web page to acquire an order form. For shipments in the United States and Canada, a check in U.S. dollars can be sent in the amount of $9.99 (CD-ROM product only) to cover shipping and handling to: CheapBytes P.O. Box 2714 Lodi, CA 95241 COD orders are not accepted for this product. For international orders, please see our shipping schedule at www.cheapbytes.com/shiprate.htm 2. AVAILABILITY - ---------------- The product is currently available and shipping. 3. TERMS AND CONDITIONS - ------------------------ Please review our Web page for Shipping and Handling charges. The $ 4.99 price is for the Intel(tm) platform. 4. COPYRIGHT INFORMATION - ------------------------- FreeBSD is a registered trademark of FreeBSD, Inc and Walnut Creek CD-ROM This product includes software developed by the Apache Group for use in the Apache HTTP server project (http://www.apache.org/). All of the documentation and software included in the 4.4BSD adn 4.4BSD-Lite Releases is copyrighted by The Regenest of the University of California. Copyright 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994. The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. *** Various other copyrights apply. See the documentation accompanying the software packages for full details. 5. 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Box 2714 - Lodi - CA 95241 - USA FAX - 209-367-8518 sales@cheapbytes.com (e-mail) Web Page http://www.cheapbytes.com From owner-freebsd-www Sun Aug 31 13:41:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA17669 for www-outgoing; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 13:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA17664 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 13:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA01009 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:41:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:41:37 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Getting info added to website... In-Reply-To: <199708311947.MAA04964@shell.wco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 31 Aug 1997, Cheap*Bytes Sales wrote: > Cheap*Bytes, a company that specializes in low cost technical products, > announces the following: > > Cheap*Bytes CD-ROM with FreeBSD 2.2.2 ------------> $ 4.99 each > Part Number: 0070010225 Hm.... For a variety of reasons, not the least of which is the generous support Walnut Creek provides for the FreeBSD project, I have an instinctive hesitation about providing free advertising of this. Thoughts? -john From owner-freebsd-www Sun Aug 31 14:13:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA18628 for www-outgoing; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:13:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA18623 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA05201; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:13:29 -0700 (PDT) To: Cheap*Bytes Sales cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Getting info added to website... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 31 Aug 1997 12:47:20 PDT." <199708311947.MAA04964@shell.wco.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:13:29 -0700 Message-ID: <5198.873062009@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > We recently have put together a FreeBSD CD for people. What is the > process to have our information listed on the web page? Below is > our announcement regarding this. The process is pretty simple - you just send a single paragraph of HTML to this list which describes your product in brief and includes any embedded URLs pointing to further information. It will then be added to the appropriate section of the vendor pages. Jordan From owner-freebsd-www Sun Aug 31 14:21:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA18976 for www-outgoing; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA18971 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA05253; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:20:24 -0700 (PDT) To: John Fieber cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Getting info added to website... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:41:37 CDT." Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 14:20:23 -0700 Message-ID: <5249.873062423@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > For a variety of reasons, not the least of which is the generous > support Walnut Creek provides for the FreeBSD project, I have an > instinctive hesitation about providing free advertising of this. > > Thoughts? We have to avoid playing favorites on this one, I think (and heck, I'm a WC employee!) and simply view this as a potential opportunity for cash-strapped users to get ahold of CDs. If we do add this entry, we do probably want to amend WC's entry to note that they are financial supporters of the project (e.g.: "Walnut Creek CDROM also donates a percentage of CDROM sales to the FreeBSD Project and is the project's strongest commercial supporter") so that users can make their purchasing choice based on all the relevant factors. We could also note that WC's product is a 4CD set whereas the Cheapbytes one contains only a single abbreviated CD's worth of contents (e.g. there's no way in heck they're managing to provide full distfile and package sets on that one, much less the CVS repository). In other words, one may cost $39.95 and the other $5.99, but one's also got 4X as much stuff on it and includes the "starting freebsd" book. As long as that's all made clear then the customer knows the trade-offs they're making with each product. Jordan From owner-freebsd-www Mon Sep 1 10:46:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA11894 for www-outgoing; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 10:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.wco.com (root@shell.wco.com [199.4.94.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA11889 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 10:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orderful (serpens178.wco.com [207.48.88.178]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with SMTP id KAA21207; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 10:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970901174427.0093de94@mail.wco.com> X-Sender: cbytes@mail.wco.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 10:44:27 -0700 To: www@freebsd.org From: Sales Department Subject: Re: Getting info added to website... Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:38 PM 8/31/97 -0700, you wrote: >"the list" == www@freebsd.org. I do not handle the entries >myself. Thanks! To person responsible for posting information about vendors of FreeBSD on CD-ROM, we submit the following. If there are any questions, please let us know so we can respond as we would like to have our information included with whatever is appropriate. Thanks. Cheap*Bytes, a company that specializes in low cost technical products, now has
FreeBSD 2.2.2 available on CD-ROM. It includes XFree86 3.2 and XFree86 3.3. This single CD-ROM includes all files necessary to install and run FreeBSD. Included also is an EZSTART script to assist in creation of boot floppies. For further information see http://www.cheapbytes.com or send e-mail to:sales@cheapbytes.com > > Jordan > >> At 02:13 PM 8/31/97 -0700, you wrote: >> >> We recently have put together a FreeBSD CD for people. What is the >> >> process to have our information listed on the web page? Below is >> >> our announcement regarding this. >> > >> >The process is pretty simple - you just send a single paragraph of >> >HTML to this list which describes your product in brief and includes >> >any embedded URLs pointing to further information. It will then be added >> >to the appropriate section of the vendor pages. >> >> Thanks for your reply. I am a bit unsure of what "this list" refers to >> as the original mail was sent to www@freebsd.org Can we just send the >> HTML to your e-mail address? >> >> Shame on your for working on Sundays... >> >> Thanks >> > >> > Jordan >> > >> > >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- >> Cheap*Bytes --- The low-cost leader in Linux and Linux related products! >> E-mail: sales@cheapbytes.com Web: www.cheapbytes.com FAX: (209) 367-8518 >> Cheap*Bytes P.O. Box 2714 Lodi, California 95241 U.S.A. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cheap*Bytes --- The low-cost leader in Linux and Linux related products! E-mail: sales@cheapbytes.com Web: www.cheapbytes.com FAX: (209) 367-8518 Cheap*Bytes P.O. Box 2714 Lodi, California 95241 U.S.A. From owner-freebsd-www Mon Sep 1 11:21:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA13317 for www-outgoing; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 11:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ursa.labvis.unam.mx (ursa.labvis.unam.mx [132.248.160.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA13294 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 11:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from adrianh@localhost) by ursa.labvis.unam.mx (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA01413 for www@freebsd.org; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:15:47 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:15:47 -0500 From: adrianh@ursa.labvis.unam.mx (Adrian Huerta) Message-Id: <199709011815.NAA01413@ursa.labvis.unam.mx> Apparently-To: www@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello my name is Adrian Huerta. I'm a graduate student of Nacional University of Mexico (UNAM) I find interesting to install FreeBSD on my PC computer but by FTP is almost impossible, could you be so kind to send me a price list of a CD software and manuals Plese. Thanks in advance Adrian Huerta adrianh@ursa.labvis.unam.mx From owner-freebsd-www Mon Sep 1 16:09:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA25399 for www-outgoing; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 16:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA25394; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 16:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by diablo.ppp.de (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0x5fal-000TTQC; Tue, 2 Sep 97 01:09 MET DST Received: from [193.141.161.123] (monster.pong.ppp.de [193.141.161.123]) by pong.PPP.DE (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA00732; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 01:18:40 +0200 (MET DST) X-Sender: stefan@pong.ppp.de Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 01:03:33 +0200 To: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer), stefan@promo.de (Stefan Bethke) From: Stefan.Bethke@Hanse.DE (Stefan Bethke) Subject: Re: Something I've always wanted to see with the mailing list Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, jfieber@FreeBSD.ORG, www@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 20:27 Uhr 29.08.1997, Martin Cracauer wrote: >> Yes, definitly. Something like DejaNews would be nice. I just haven't found >> the time to do anything, but my idea is like this: > >Well, Dejanews actually did some work to index our mailing lists. But >I didn't hear from them for weeks right now, not for the first >time. Obviously we are not a high priority. Letting DejaNews do the work would be nice, but I don't want to wait any longer; also, we might want to do some things differently, so having our own system is worthwile anyway. I'll meet Martin on Wednesday; maybe we can stick our heads together next weekend in a little hacking session... Stefan -- Stefan Bethke Hamburg, Germany From owner-freebsd-www Mon Sep 1 17:39:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA02372 for www-outgoing; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 17:39:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wombat.sk.sympatico.ca (wombat.sk.sympatico.ca [142.165.5.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA02367 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 17:39:05 -0700 (PDT) From: ravichander@sk.sympatico.ca Received: from sk.sympatico.ca (nardi32.sk.sympatico.ca [142.165.97.32]) by wombat.sk.sympatico.ca with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id SAA25527; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 18:35:00 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 18:35:00 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199709020035.SAA25527@wombat.sk.sympatico.ca> To: ravichander@sk.sympatico.ca Subject: Amway - Britt World Wide Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear friends: We would like to invite you to consider the opportunity of starting your own business - right at home. The business can be described as "The best business opportunity in the world" - with access to over 75 countries globally, including your domestic market. Originally based in Canada, we will be expanding our operations in the Philippines. This message is part of the process of identifying key individuals who wish to operate their own business in India. The business concept is similar to that of a franchise and we work through Britt World Wide with Amway as our supplier of products and services. Why should you consider this opportunity? · Your own business · Minimal investment · Quality products · No quotas · No inventory · No territories · No minimum purchases . Develop business in your spare time to the level you desire . 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Thank you. ************************************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-www Wed Sep 3 09:07:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA20434 for www-outgoing; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from povray.cdrom.com (root@povray.cdrom.com [204.216.27.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA20426 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cons.org (knight.cons.org [194.233.237.86]) by povray.cdrom.com (8.8.6/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA23600 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by cons.org (8.8.5/8.7.3) id SAA05444; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 18:07:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 18:07:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199709031607.SAA05444@cons.org> From: Martin Cracauer To: www@freebsd.org Subject: Regarding dejanews Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just got a message from my contact @ dejanews. He said they're still interested in indexing our lists and receive all of them, but currently they have a shortage of hardware due to other tasks. Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (batched, preferred for large mails) Tel.: (daytime) +4940 41478712 Fax.: (daytime) +4940 41478715 Tel.: (private) +4940 5221829 Fax.: (private) +4940 5228536 Paper: (private) Waldstrasse 200, 22846 Norderstedt, Germany From owner-freebsd-www Thu Sep 4 06:33:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA27561 for www-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 06:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA27551 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 06:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA12204 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:33:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:33:00 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: www@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD gets a favorable review (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is good fodder for the Newsflash page. -john ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 12:45:53 +0200 (SAT) From: Khetan Gajjar Reply-To: Khetan Gajjar To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD gets a favorable review Hi. Check out http://techweb.cmp.com/internetwk/reviews/rev0901.htm FreeBSD 2.2.2 got quite a good review (imho). --- Khetan Gajjar | khetan@iafrica.com or khetan@os.org.za http://chain.iafrica.com/~khetan | PGP : finger khetan@chain.iafrica.com UUNET Internet Africa Support | FreeBSD enthusiast-www2.za.freebsd.org MOTD : In a world without fences who needs Gates? From owner-freebsd-www Thu Sep 4 07:14:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA00665 for www-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 07:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xyplex.com (xap.xyplex.com [140.179.130.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA00658 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 07:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ltnsvex1.xyplex.com (ltnsvex1.xyplex.com [140.179.176.20]) by xyplex.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16357 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ltnsvex1.xyplex.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:11:18 -0400 Message-ID: <58550AAD8F1FD111A9AB00A0C92AEDA404FB4C@ltnsvex1.xyplex.com> From: "Pennell, David" To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: www interface to gnats at freebsd.org Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:11:14 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I like your frontend to gnats. Is it publicly available? Thanks, David Pennell From owner-freebsd-www Thu Sep 4 08:18:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA04719 for www-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yoss.canweb.net (root@yoss.canweb.net [207.139.235.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA04709 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (yossman@localhost) by yoss.canweb.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA07987 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:06:22 -0400 (EDT) From: yossman To: www@freebsd.org Subject: 'x-windows' Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk just thought i'd re-iterate my previous email about calling X 'x-windows'. i see on the site that the main place i saw it done incorrectly has been fixed, but even today on IRC there are still people coming in saying that the BOOK now (the complete freebsd) is saying it's 'X-windows'. it may sound anal to expect everyone to get it right and call it 'X' or 'The X Windowing System', but out of common respect for the X consortium and out of respect for people who actually do try to get it right, i think it's important you guys act as role models and say things correctly. i realize you may not be responsible for the mis-phrasing of the term in the book, but perhaps you could forward this to people who can look after this mis-print and get it fixed? it's disappointing to be correcting people, only to have them say 'but the book says it's this way, so you must be wrong!'. yossman ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Yossarian Holmberg (yossman) yossman@yossman.org System Administrator, National Online http://www.yossman.org/ my statements are my own, not my employer's -- i do not speak for them. '... and if i die, before i learn to speak .. can money pay for all the days i've lived awake but half asleep?' -- Primitive Radio Gods, "Standing Outside a Broken Phone Booth With Money In My Hand" From owner-freebsd-www Thu Sep 4 09:12:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA08610 for www-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 09:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de [160.45.24.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA08605 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 09:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from mail.hanse.de (193.174.9.9) with smtp id ; Thu, 4 Sep 97 18:12 MEST Received: from wavehh.UUCP by mail.hanse.de with UUCP for www@FreeBSD.ORG id ; Thu, 4 Sep 97 18:12 MET DST Received: by wavehh.hanse.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10374; Thu, 4 Sep 97 17:05:58 +0200 Message-Id: <19970904170558.61756@wavehh.hanse.de> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:05:58 +0200 From: Martin Cracauer To: "Pennell, David" Cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: www interface to gnats at freebsd.org References: <58550AAD8F1FD111A9AB00A0C92AEDA404FB4C@ltnsvex1.xyplex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81 In-Reply-To: <58550AAD8F1FD111A9AB00A0C92AEDA404FB4C@ltnsvex1.xyplex.com>; from Pennell, David on Thu, Sep 04, 1997 at 10:11:14AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In <58550AAD8F1FD111A9AB00A0C92AEDA404FB4C@ltnsvex1.xyplex.com>, Pennell, David wrote: > I like your frontend to gnats. Is it publicly available? Yes, all the CGI scripts can be found at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/www/data/cgi or any full FreeBSD CVS tree. Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin.Cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de http://www.cons.org/cracauer/ BSD User Group Hamburg/Germany http://www.bsdhh.org/ From owner-freebsd-www Thu Sep 4 09:34:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA09862 for www-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 09:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA09856 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 09:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA12658; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:31:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:31:05 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: yossman cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 'x-windows' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, yossman wrote: > it may sound anal to expect everyone to get it right and call it 'X' or > 'The X Windowing System', but out of common respect for the X consortium > and out of respect for people who actually do try to get it right, i think > it's important you guys act as role models and say things correctly. Although I personally try to use the correct name, and am more than willing to correct inappropriate references, on the whole I think it is a lost battle. Also, out of curiosity, other than the fact that it isn't on the list of "appropriate names", what are the arguments against the name "X Windows"? Among X propeller heads, "X" or "X11" is well understood, but when more clarification is needed, the full name just doesn't roll off the tounge very well. -john From owner-freebsd-www Thu Sep 4 10:06:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA11628 for www-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mph124.rh.psu.edu (hunt@MPH124.rh.psu.edu [128.118.126.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA11623 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hunt@localhost) by mph124.rh.psu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA19091; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19970904130552.62798@mph124.rh.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:05:52 -0400 From: Matthew Hunt To: John Fieber Cc: yossman , www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 'x-windows' Reply-To: Matthew Hunt References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81 In-Reply-To: ; from John Fieber on Thu, Sep 04, 1997 at 11:31:05AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, Sep 04, 1997 at 11:31:05AM -0500, John Fieber wrote: > Also, out of curiosity, other than the fact that it isn't on the > list of "appropriate names", what are the arguments against the > name "X Windows"? I certainly don't have any special insight, but my assumption has always been simply that X11 is a windowing system, and not windows themselves. That is, X11 is the software for producing and manipulating on-screen windows. Likewise, newfs could be called a "filesystem creator" but not a filesystem, and xfig is illustration software, but not an illustration. -- Matthew Hunt * Think locally, act globally. finger hunt@mph124.rh.psu.edu for PGP public key. From owner-freebsd-www Thu Sep 4 11:42:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA15992 for www-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.corp.wrgrace.com (wrgrace.com [208.221.196.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA15987 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:42:41 -0700 (PDT) From: David.Botton@grace.com Received: from s3boca.corp.wrgrace.com by gate.corp.wrgrace.com via smtpd (for hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) with SMTP; 4 Sep 1997 18:42:32 UT Received: By grace.com; ID AA159938981; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 14:49:41 -0400 X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 97 14:48:38 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: sysinstall Mime-Version: 1.0 To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="sysinstall" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there any place I can ftp in the new version of sysinstall (2.2.2-RELEASE). I don't have access to the FD on the machine I am using now. David Botton From owner-freebsd-www Thu Sep 4 17:46:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA04363 for www-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from enteka.com (chaos.metricom.com [204.179.107.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA04347 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from philipp@localhost) by enteka.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA05903; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:46:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Philip A. Prindeville" Message-Id: <199709050046.RAA05903@enteka.com> To: vern@ee.lbl.gov Cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD sources Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Say Vern, is there a way to install FreeBSD 3.0-SNAP sources on a system without doing a straight install? I want to grab the sources without actually building it on a system. For the moment, I've got Sparcs coming out of my ears but I'm short on PCs (all the NT weenies grabbed them up!). I wanted to inspect the TCP source and find what parameters are user- settable. Thanks, -Philip From owner-freebsd-www Thu Sep 4 17:54:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA04846 for www-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from echo.eos.ncsu.edu (echo.eos.ncsu.edu [152.1.68.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA04837 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nsj@localhost) by echo.eos.ncsu.edu (8.8.4/EC02Jan97) id AAA15286; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:54:31 GMT Message-Id: <199709050054.AAA15286@echo.eos.ncsu.edu> Subject: Re: www.freebsd.org/commercial/software.html update To: elh@secretariat.astroarch.com (Edward L. Haletky) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Cc: www@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199708270012.TAA32726@secretariat.astroarch.com> from "Edward L. Haletky" at Aug 26, 97 07:12:06 pm Reply-To: nsj@ncsu.edu From: nsj@ncsu.edu (Nate Johnson) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24/POP] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mr. Haletky, Sorry for taking so long to get back in touch with you on this. I've made the requested edits, and they should appear sometime tomorrow after 0500 PDT. Let us know if we can be of further service. Thanks for your support! Cheers, nsj -- Nate Johnson / nsj@ncsu.edu / nsj@eos.ncsu.edu / nsj@FreeBSD.org Project Eos Systems Administrator, Engineering Computer Operations North Carolina State University, Raleigh, North Carolina From owner-freebsd-www Thu Sep 4 18:01:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA05320 for www-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from echo.eos.ncsu.edu (echo.eos.ncsu.edu [152.1.68.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA05312 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:01:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nsj@localhost) by echo.eos.ncsu.edu (8.8.4/EC02Jan97) id BAA15104; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:01:37 GMT Message-Id: <199709050101.BAA15104@echo.eos.ncsu.edu> Subject: Re: Getting info added to website... To: sales@cheapbytes.com (Sales Department) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Cc: www@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970901174427.0093de94@mail.wco.com> from "Sales Department" at Sep 1, 97 10:44:27 am Reply-To: nsj@ncsu.edu From: nsj@ncsu.edu (Nate Johnson) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24/POP] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk %To person responsible for posting information about vendors of FreeBSD %on CD-ROM, we submit the following. If there are any questions, please %let us know so we can respond as we would like to have our information %included with whatever is appropriate. I have added your entry to our listing at: . It will appear sometime after 0500 PDT tomorrow morning, and you should check it soon after that, at your convenience, to ensure that it is satisfactory. Thanks for your support of the project! Cheers, nsj -- Nate Johnson / nsj@ncsu.edu / nsj@eos.ncsu.edu / nsj@FreeBSD.org Project Eos Systems Administrator, Engineering Computer Operations North Carolina State University, Raleigh, North Carolina From owner-freebsd-www Fri Sep 5 00:47:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA22657 for www-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ibridge.iohk.com (root@ibridge.iohk.com [202.21.128.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA22652 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from igate.iohk.com (dpchan@igate.iohk.com [202.21.128.81]) by ibridge.iohk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21541 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:46:57 +0800 (HKT) Received: from localhost (dpchan@localhost) by igate.iohk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA02094 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:46:47 +0800 (HKT) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:46:46 +0800 (HKT) From: David Chan To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: lastest vision Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Could you please tell me what's the lastest version of FreeBSD? Is 2.2.2 or newest version? If i bought 2.2.2 version, can I download a batch file from your website to update my FreeBSD? Thanks, David Chan From owner-freebsd-www Fri Sep 5 03:04:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA28977 for www-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 03:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jg.webmaster.com (josh@newport-1-12.quick.net [207.212.160.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA28972 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 03:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from josh@localhost) by jg.webmaster.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA05182; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 03:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970905030403.44565@webmaster.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 03:04:03 -0700 From: Josh Gilliam To: www@freebsd.org Subject: '/' usage in ALT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e X-IRC: soil X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The usage of '/' in ALT doesn't appear well in lynx. It looks worse when a link is selected. An example; Applications /Support /Documentation /Vendors /Search /Index / -- Josh Gilliam Orange, CA, USA josh@quick.net From owner-freebsd-www Fri Sep 5 15:03:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA03821 for www-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms5.hinet.net (root@ms5.hinet.net [168.95.4.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA03814 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ming (h173.s52.ts.hinet.net [168.95.52.173]) by ms5.hinet.net (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id FAA14590 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 05:56:48 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <340FD792.75E1@ms5.hinet.net> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 17:57:38 +0800 From: Cheng-Ta Hsieh Reply-To: ccy7@ms5.hinet.net Organization: Elite X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ·Q¶RFreeBSD¤§¥úºÐ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk §A¦n! §Ú·Q¶R³Ì·sFreeBSD¤§¥úºÐ,¤£ª¾¥æ³q¤j¾Ç©Î­þ¸Ì¦³½æ ½ÐºÉ§Ö´£¨Ñ§Ú®ø®§ .....Chris E-mail:chris07@ms17.hinet.net From owner-freebsd-www Fri Sep 5 22:33:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA23877 for www-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (cisco-ts13-line6.uoregon.edu [128.223.150.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA23872 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA07560; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:33:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: "Philip A. Prindeville" cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD sources In-Reply-To: <199709050046.RAA05903@enteka.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Philip A. Prindeville wrote: > Say Vern, is there a way to install FreeBSD 3.0-SNAP sources > on a system without doing a straight install? I want to grab > the sources without actually building it on a system. I'm going to prune vern out of this.. You can just grab the source archives and extract them on your Sun. They're in the `src' directory underneath the SNAP directory. They come in `clumps', I guess. When I say `clumps' I mean there is a set for the kernel sources (ssys.*), core binaries (sbin.*), and so forth. To extract them, just do cat /path/to/s{part}.* | tar xzf - Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major Spam routed to /dev/null by Procmail | Death to Cyberpromo From owner-freebsd-www Fri Sep 5 23:02:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA25581 for www-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 23:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (cisco-ts13-line6.uoregon.edu [128.223.150.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA25575 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 23:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA07663; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 23:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 23:01:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: David Chan cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: lastest vision In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, David Chan wrote: > Could you please tell me what's the lastest version of FreeBSD? > Is 2.2.2 or newest version? 2.2.2 is the newest at current. > If i bought 2.2.2 version, can I download a batch file from your website > to update my FreeBSD? Actually, you need to download the boot floppy from 2.2.2, boot it, and select the `upgrade' option. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major Spam routed to /dev/null by Procmail | Death to Cyberpromo From owner-freebsd-www Sat Sep 6 00:18:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA29580 for www-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 00:18:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (cisco-ts16-line4.uoregon.edu [128.223.150.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA29572 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 00:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA07836; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 00:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 00:17:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: David.Botton@grace.com cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sysinstall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 4 Sep 1997 David.Botton@grace.com wrote: > Is there any place I can ftp in the new version of sysinstall > (2.2.2-RELEASE). I don't have access to the FD on the machine I am using now. Try releng22.freebsd.org. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major Spam routed to /dev/null by Procmail | Death to Cyberpromo