From owner-cvs-etc Sun Apr 12 02:48:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA10922 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 02:48:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-cvs-etc) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA10884; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 02:48:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from markm@FreeBSD.org) From: Mark Murray Received: (from markm@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id CAA06962; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 02:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 02:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804120947.CAA06962@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/etc rc.conf rc.network Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk markm 1998/04/12 02:47:44 PDT Modified files: etc rc.conf rc.network Log: Enable the SecureRPC bits in rc.conf, if the Administrator wants them. Revision Changes Path 1.44 +4 -1 src/etc/rc.conf 1.21 +10 -1 src/etc/rc.network From owner-cvs-etc Mon Apr 13 14:46:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25772 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:46:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-cvs-etc) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA25584; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:45:21 GMT (envelope-from wosch@FreeBSD.org) From: Wolfram Schneider Received: (from wosch@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id OAA10870; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804132144.OAA10870@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/etc/mtree BSD.usr.dist Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk wosch 1998/04/13 14:44:47 PDT Modified files: etc/mtree BSD.usr.dist Log: Add tutorials directories. Revision Changes Path 1.112 +23 -1 src/etc/mtree/BSD.usr.dist From owner-cvs-etc Mon Apr 13 19:12:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA21867 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:12:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-cvs-etc) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA20989; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 02:10:00 GMT (envelope-from jmb@FreeBSD.org) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id TAA12457; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:09:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:09:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804140209.TAA12457@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/etc/mail sendmail.cf.additions Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk jmb 1998/04/13 19:09:24 PDT Modified files: etc/mail sendmail.cf.additions Log: use extended error codes as noted in rfc1893. retain additional message in check_relay ruleset, the message is written into the maillog. this is useful to a site's postmaster. Reviewed by: jmb Submitted by: Ruslan Ermilov ru@ucb.crimea.ua Revision Changes Path 1.7 +6 -6 src/etc/mail/sendmail.cf.additions From owner-cvs-etc Mon Apr 13 19:14:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA22661 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:14:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-cvs-etc) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA21980; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 02:12:58 GMT (envelope-from jmb@FreeBSD.org) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id TAA12574; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804140212.TAA12574@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/etc/mail sendmail.cf.additions Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk jmb 1998/04/13 19:12:22 PDT Modified files: (Branch: RELENG_2_2) etc/mail sendmail.cf.additions Log: use extended error codes as noted in rfc1893. retain additional message in check_relay ruleset, the message is written into the maillog. this is useful to a site's postmaster. PR: conf/6226 Reviewed by: jmb Submitted by: Ruslan Ermilov ru@ucb.crimea.ua Revision Changes Path 1.1.2.4 +6 -6 src/etc/mail/sendmail.cf.additions From owner-cvs-etc Tue Apr 14 16:07:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA11807 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:07:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-cvs-etc) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA11621; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:06:09 GMT (envelope-from jmb@FreeBSD.org) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id QAA14305; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804142305.QAA14305@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/etc newsyslog.conf Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk jmb 1998/04/14 16:05:27 PDT Modified files: etc newsyslog.conf Log: rotate sendmail statistics file weekly. keep the last ten weeks of data. Submitted by: jmb Revision Changes Path 1.15 +2 -1 src/etc/newsyslog.conf From owner-cvs-etc Tue Apr 14 16:10:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12287 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:10:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-cvs-etc) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12088; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:09:12 GMT (envelope-from jmb@FreeBSD.org) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id QAA14348; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804142308.QAA14348@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/etc newsyslog.conf Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk jmb 1998/04/14 16:08:30 PDT Modified files: (Branch: RELENG_2_2) etc newsyslog.conf Log: rotate sendmail statistics file weekly. keep the last ten weeks of data. Submitted by: jmb Revision Changes Path 1.6.2.4 +2 -1 src/etc/newsyslog.conf From owner-cvs-etc Wed Apr 15 09:39:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04309 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:39:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-cvs-etc) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA04038; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:38:31 GMT (envelope-from phk@FreeBSD.org) From: Poul-Henning Kamp Received: (from phk@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id JAA16821; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804151637.JAA16821@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-usrsbin@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/usr.sbin Makefile src/etc make.conf Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk phk 1998/04/15 09:37:43 PDT Modified files: usr.sbin Makefile etc make.conf Log: In light of the fact that several widespread sendmail alternatives exists is reason enough to make the compilation & installation of sendmail an make.conf option. I know that you hate negative options Bruce. PR: 6284 Reviewed by: phk Submitted by: Adrian Colley Revision Changes Path 1.119 +6 -2 src/usr.sbin/Makefile 1.60 +4 -1 src/etc/make.conf From owner-cvs-etc Wed Apr 15 09:43:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05169 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:43:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-cvs-etc) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA04803; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:42:02 GMT (envelope-from phk@FreeBSD.org) From: Poul-Henning Kamp Received: (from phk@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id JAA16929; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804151641.JAA16929@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/etc rc.firewall Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk phk 1998/04/15 09:41:15 PDT Modified files: etc rc.firewall Log: Better RFC1918 network protection PR: 6278 Reviewed by: phk Submitted by: Ruslan Ermilov Revision Changes Path 1.17 +4 -1 src/etc/rc.firewall From owner-cvs-etc Thu Apr 16 01:01:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA11758 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:01:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-cvs-etc) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA11700; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:01:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@FreeBSD.org) From: "Andrey A. Chernov" Received: (from ache@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id BAA06806; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804160801.BAA06806@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/etc make.conf Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ache 1998/04/16 01:01:28 PDT Modified files: etc make.conf Log: Add missing commented out MOTIF_STATIC example Revision Changes Path 1.61 +2 -1 src/etc/make.conf From owner-cvs-etc Thu Apr 16 01:21:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14980 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:21:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-cvs-etc) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA14907; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:21:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@FreeBSD.org) From: "Andrey A. Chernov" Received: (from ache@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id BAA06906; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804160821.BAA06906@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/etc make.conf Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ache 1998/04/16 01:21:26 PDT Modified files: etc make.conf Log: Add commented out common INSTALL and FORCE_PKG_REGISTER knobs Revision Changes Path 1.62 +8 -1 src/etc/make.conf From owner-cvs-etc Thu Apr 16 07:39:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA15713 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:39:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-cvs-etc) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA15307; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:37:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joerg@FreeBSD.org) From: Joerg Wunsch Received: (from joerg@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id HAA04621; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804161437.HAA04621@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/etc hosts Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk joerg 1998/04/16 07:37:19 PDT Modified files: etc hosts Log: Add `myname.my.domain' as another alias for `localhost'. We set this as the initial generic hostname if the user didn't setup any NIC, but failure to resolve this name results in XF86Setup not being able to run. Reported by: Lutz Zienert Revision Changes Path 1.9 +2 -2 src/etc/hosts From owner-cvs-etc Thu Apr 16 15:47:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03022 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:47:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-cvs-etc) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02923; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:47:01 GMT (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca34-52.ix.netcom.com [207.93.143.180]) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01584; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/8.6.9) id PAA10665; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804162246.PAA10665@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: ache@FreeBSD.ORG CC: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199804160801.BAA06806@freefall.freebsd.org> (ache@FreeBSD.ORG) Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc make.conf From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * Add missing commented out MOTIF_STATIC example That part of the file now looks like this: === # If you have Motif on your system, uncomment this. # #HAVE_MOTIF= yes #MOTIF_STATIC= yes # # If the default location of the Motif library (specified below) is NOT # appropriate for you, uncomment this and change it to the correct value. # If your motif is in ${X11BASE}/lib, you don't need to touch this line. # #MOTIFLIB= -L${X11BASE}/lib -lXm === (1) There is no description of MOTIF_STATIC. People will most likely misunderstand the one above ("If you have Motif...") to mean both lines and end up linking everything with libXm.a. (2) The MOTIFLIB description is not appropriate anymore, now that MOTIF_STATIC is given as an example here. MOTIF_STATIC was never intended for use by ordinary users. It is only used for package-builders. Do we add every possible variable in make.conf (if so, I have a few dozen more from bsd.port.mk) or only have the common cases in here? Maybe it's time for /etc/make.conf.ports? (No I'm not kidding.) Satoshi P.S. I have seen half a dozen people post their make.conf with MOTIFLIB uncommented (with the value unchanged) along with HAVE_MOTIF. Someone please tell me how I can change the description (the one with the big "NOT") to make it clearer that they don't need to change it unless their Motif destribution puts the stuff in a totally weird place. (Is there some way to highlight text in ASCII or make the editor jump the cursor to that "NOT" when they try to edit the "#"? ;) From owner-cvs-etc Thu Apr 16 16:14:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08637 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:14:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-cvs-etc) Received: from lsd.relcom.eu.net (lsd.relcom.eu.net [193.125.27.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA07530; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:10:34 GMT (envelope-from ache@lsd.relcom.eu.net) Received: (from ache@localhost) by lsd.relcom.eu.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA07105; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 03:10:22 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Message-ID: <19980417031022.02794@nagual.pp.ru> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 03:10:22 +0400 From: =?koi8-r?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= To: Satoshi Asami Cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc make.conf Mail-Followup-To: Satoshi Asami , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199804160801.BAA06806@freefall.freebsd.org> <199804162246.PAA10665@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199804162246.PAA10665@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU>; from asami@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 03:46:33PM -0700 Organization: Biomechanoid Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 03:46:33PM -0700, Satoshi Asami wrote: > (1) There is no description of MOTIF_STATIC. People will most likely > misunderstand the one above ("If you have Motif...") to mean both > lines and end up linking everything with libXm.a. Please add proper description in good English, I am not able to do it. > (2) The MOTIFLIB description is not appropriate anymore, now that > MOTIF_STATIC is given as an example here. It should be changed too, I agree. > MOTIF_STATIC was never intended for use by ordinary users. It is only > used for package-builders. Do we add every possible variable in > make.conf (if so, I have a few dozen more from bsd.port.mk) or only > have the common cases in here? I think system should be comfortable for developers first and next for ordinary users. > Maybe it's time for /etc/make.conf.ports? (No I'm not kidding.) Yes, good idea. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://www.nagual.pp.ru/~ache/ MTH/SH/HE S-- W-- N+ PEC>+ D A a++ C G>+ QH+(++) 666+>++ Y From owner-cvs-etc Thu Apr 16 18:24:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08046 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:24:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-cvs-etc) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07988; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:23:36 GMT (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca34-10.ix.netcom.com [207.93.143.138]) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01787; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/8.6.9) id RAA10861; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804170027.RAA10861@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: ache@nagual.pp.ru CC: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <19980417031022.02794@nagual.pp.ru> (message from =?koi8-r?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= on Fri, 17 Apr 1998 03:10:22 +0400) Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc make.conf From: asami@FreeBSD.org (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * Please add proper description in good English, I am not able to do it. I can certainly do that (even though my Anglais is not that good), if we agree what to put there. * > (2) The MOTIFLIB description is not appropriate anymore, now that * > MOTIF_STATIC is given as an example here. * * It should be changed too, I agree. I didn't think you disagreed, I was just pointing out that you should read the stuff around something before adding a new line. :> * I think system should be comfortable for developers first and next for * ordinary users. I'm not sure if I agree with that, but that's another point. However, do developers really need MOTIF_STATIC? That makes EVERYTHING link with static libXm, making that person more of a package builder (one who builds packages to distribute to other users, not one who builds package for testing). I think it's more likely that they need it on a per-port basis (say, for testing mozilla that doesn't work with dynamic libXm), in which case the place to fix it is in that port's Makefile (or Makefile.i386 if you don't want to touch a file controlled by CVS), not /etc/make.conf. My fear is that /etc/make.conf is getting too clustered with stuff that is relevant to only a small set of users, thus making it harder for people to maintain. It's already getting a PITA to merge new changes from /usr/src/etc/make.conf. Ports developers are supposed to read the handbook as well as the header of bsd.port.mk, where all these (and other milliards of variables) are described in great detail. * > Maybe it's time for /etc/make.conf.ports? (No I'm not kidding.) * * Yes, good idea. Seriously though, I don't envision that as a description and default values for all possible variables. Those should go in bsd.port.mk, not only because one thing should be described in as few places as possible but also because /etc won't be upgraded as part of "make world". That means make.conf.ports is empty by default where people can add things as they wish. But they can do that to make.conf already, so I guess it makes the whole thing rather pointless. :< Satoshi From owner-cvs-etc Thu Apr 16 19:07:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17401 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:07:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-cvs-etc) Received: from lsd.relcom.eu.net (lsd.relcom.eu.net [193.125.27.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA17193; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 02:06:30 GMT (envelope-from ache@lsd.relcom.eu.net) Received: (from ache@localhost) by lsd.relcom.eu.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA08141; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:06:28 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Message-ID: <19980417060627.25427@nagual.pp.ru> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:06:27 +0400 From: =?koi8-r?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= To: Satoshi Asami Cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc make.conf Mail-Followup-To: Satoshi Asami , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.org References: <19980417031022.02794@nagual.pp.ru> <199804170027.RAA10861@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199804170027.RAA10861@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU>; from asami@FreeBSD.org on Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 05:27:52PM -0700 Organization: Biomechanoid Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 05:27:52PM -0700, Satoshi Asami wrote: > I'm not sure if I agree with that, but that's another point. However, > do developers really need MOTIF_STATIC? That makes EVERYTHING link There is another point of MOTIF_STATIC adding exist too. Since it control MOTIFLIB too (as HAVE_MOTIF), not mentioning it gives reduced picture of things which can leads to confusion related to MOTIFLIB (one example of such confusion you already give). > Seriously though, I don't envision that as a description and default > values for all possible variables. Those should go in bsd.port.mk, bsd.port.mk is default for all systems and not tunable. /etc/make.conf (or similar thing) reflects per-system defaults. I.e. better leave bsd.port.mk untouched and set every non-standard variable values elsewhere. > That means make.conf.ports is empty by default where people can > add things as they wish. But they can do that to make.conf already, > so I guess it makes the whole thing rather pointless. :< Adding things from non-existance is harder than uncomment/edit some pre-existen line, so it will be more comfortable to have _all_ bsd.port.mk variables mentioned in make.conf.ports -- Andrey A. Chernov http://www.nagual.pp.ru/~ache/ MTH/SH/HE S-- W-- N+ PEC>+ D A a++ C G>+ QH+(++) 666+>++ Y From owner-cvs-etc Fri Apr 17 00:21:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA24946 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:21:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-cvs-etc) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA24823; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:20:36 GMT (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA24358; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:19:00 +1000 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:19:00 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199804170719.RAA24358@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: ache@FreeBSD.ORG, asami@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc make.conf Cc: cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >MOTIF_STATIC was never intended for use by ordinary users. It is only >used for package-builders. Do we add every possible variable in >make.conf (if so, I have a few dozen more from bsd.port.mk) or only >have the common cases in here? Nothing except overrides for defaults in sys.mk should be there. >Maybe it's time for /etc/make.conf.ports? (No I'm not kidding.) Ports and build options should always have been separate from sys.mk, but there is a problem getting them noticed early enough. /etc/make.conf.ports should logically be included by bsd.port.mk, but may be needed when sys.mk is parsed. This is currently handled by abusing /etc/make.conf to extend sys.mk. Bruce From owner-cvs-etc Fri Apr 17 02:07:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA13096 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 02:07:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-cvs-etc) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13090; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:07:13 GMT (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca34-35.ix.netcom.com [207.93.143.163]) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA02282; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 02:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/8.6.9) id CAA12297; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 02:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 02:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804170907.CAA12297@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: ache@nagual.pp.ru CC: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <19980417060627.25427@nagual.pp.ru> (message from =?koi8-r?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= on Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:06:27 +0400) Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc make.conf From: asami@FreeBSD.org (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk * There is another point of MOTIF_STATIC adding exist too. Since it control * MOTIFLIB too (as HAVE_MOTIF), not mentioning it gives reduced picture * of things which can leads to confusion related to MOTIFLIB (one example of * such confusion you already give). I'm thinking about taking out MOTIFLIB too. 99% of the users don't need that and yet it seems everyone with Motif is defining it. * bsd.port.mk is default for all systems and not tunable. /etc/make.conf * (or similar thing) reflects per-system defaults. I.e. better leave * bsd.port.mk untouched and set every non-standard variable values * elsewhere. I didn't mean you should change bsd.port.mk. The descriptions should stay there, and changes to the default can be made in /etc/make.conf. * Adding things from non-existance is harder than uncomment/edit some * pre-existen line, so it will be more comfortable to have _all_ * bsd.port.mk variables mentioned in make.conf.ports I disagree. The header of bsd.port.mk is already over 200 lines long. It will be useless to duplicate that elsewhere because it will very likely get out of sync very quickly (both because committers can't remember to update the same thing in many places and because /etc is not updated by "make world"). I've already said everything I want on this topic. If we can agree to disagree, I'm going to take out everything but HAVE_MOTIF in /etc/make.conf. Sorry, but that's my area. Satoshi From owner-cvs-etc Fri Apr 17 03:54:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA27983 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 03:54:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-cvs-etc) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27857; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:54:18 GMT (envelope-from des@FreeBSD.org) From: "Dag-Erling C. Sm\xf8rgrav" Received: (from des@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id DAA10569; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 03:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 03:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804171054.DAA10569@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/etc profile Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk des 1998/04/17 03:54:05 PDT Modified files: (Branch: RELENG_2_2) etc profile Log: Merged in changes from current (comments about LC_ALL) Revision Changes Path 1.8.2.2 +6 -2 src/etc/profile From owner-cvs-etc Fri Apr 17 07:02:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25785 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:02:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-cvs-etc) Received: from lsd.relcom.eu.net (lsd.relcom.eu.net [193.125.27.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25724; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:02:31 GMT (envelope-from ache@lsd.relcom.eu.net) Received: (from ache@localhost) by lsd.relcom.eu.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA12826; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:02:28 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Message-ID: <19980417180227.45217@nagual.pp.ru> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:02:27 +0400 From: =?koi8-r?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= To: Satoshi Asami Cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc make.conf Mail-Followup-To: Satoshi Asami , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.org References: <19980417060627.25427@nagual.pp.ru> <199804170907.CAA12297@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199804170907.CAA12297@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU>; from asami@FreeBSD.org on Fri, Apr 17, 1998 at 02:07:08AM -0700 Organization: Biomechanoid Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, Apr 17, 1998 at 02:07:08AM -0700, Satoshi Asami wrote: > * Adding things from non-existance is harder than uncomment/edit some > * pre-existen line, so it will be more comfortable to have _all_ > * bsd.port.mk variables mentioned in make.conf.ports > > I disagree. The header of bsd.port.mk is already over 200 lines > long. It will be useless to duplicate that elsewhere because it will > very likely get out of sync very quickly (both because committers > can't remember to update the same thing in many places and because > /etc is not updated by "make world"). Better remove header from bsd.port.mk and put it to /etc/make.ports.conf, then include /etc/make.ports.conf in bsd.port.mk. To not stay out of sync some check must be added in bsd.port.mk which yell about obsoleted /etc/make.ports.conf needs upgrade. I mean variables that really supposed to be changed, not all ones. > I've already said everything I want on this topic. If we can agree to > disagree, I'm going to take out everything but HAVE_MOTIF in > /etc/make.conf. Sorry, but that's my area. Well, your choice. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://www.nagual.pp.ru/~ache/ MTH/SH/HE S-- W-- N+ PEC>+ D A a++ C G>+ QH+(++) 666+>++ Y From owner-cvs-etc Fri Apr 17 15:54:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25874 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:54:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-cvs-etc) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA25769; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 22:54:16 GMT (envelope-from des@FreeBSD.org) From: "Dag-Erling C. Sm\xf8rgrav" Received: (from des@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id PAA12652; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804172254.PAA12652@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/etc/periodic/daily 440.status-mailq Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk des 1998/04/17 15:54:00 PDT Modified files: etc/periodic/daily 440.status-mailq Log: Changed /usr/sbin/mailq to /usr/bin/mailq Revision Changes Path 1.3 +2 -2 src/etc/periodic/daily/440.status-mailq From owner-cvs-etc Sat Apr 18 03:27:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA05799 for cvs-etc-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 03:27:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-cvs-etc) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05761; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:27:41 GMT (envelope-from brian@FreeBSD.org) From: Brian Somers Received: (from brian@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id DAA16276; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 03:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 03:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804181027.DAA16276@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-share@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/etc rc.conf rc.firewall rc.network services src/share/man/man5 rc.conf.5 Sender: owner-cvs-etc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk brian 1998/04/18 03:27:21 PDT Modified files: etc rc.conf rc.firewall rc.network services share/man/man5 rc.conf.5 Log: Add natd support. PR: 6339 Submitted by: cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us Revision Changes Path 1.45 +4 -1 src/etc/rc.conf 1.18 +10 -1 src/etc/rc.firewall 1.22 +9 -1 src/etc/rc.network 1.46 +2 -1 src/etc/services 1.17 +23 -1 src/share/man/man5/rc.conf.5