From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Mar 29 19:25:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01412 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:25:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from clifford.inch.com (root@clifford.inch.com [207.240.140.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA01402 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:25:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from omar@clifford.inch.com) Received: (from omar@localhost) by clifford.inch.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA22244; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:42:45 -0500 Message-ID: <19980329104245.62286@clifford.inch.com> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:42:45 -0500 From: Omar Thameen To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: how does the CD-R filesystem work? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Say I'm using one of the supported CD-R drives and I wanted to archive logs. Are the CD-Rs multisession? That is, can I write a set of files to the CD-R today, and then write another set tomorrow? Am I correct in concluding that the cdrecord program is for making copies of existing CDs and so cannot be used for archiving files as described above? Thanks, Omar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Mar 29 20:23:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA24479 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:23:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from IAEhv.nl (root@iaehv.IAEhv.nl [194.151.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA24195 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:22:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wjw@surf.IAEhv.nl) Received: from surf.IAEhv.nl (root@surf.IAEhv.nl [194.151.66.2]) by IAEhv.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA06204 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 01:45:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wjw@localhost) by surf.IAEhv.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA16589 for hardware@freebsd.org; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 01:45:50 +0200 (MET DST) From: Willem Jan Withagen Message-Id: <199803292345.BAA16589@surf.IAEhv.nl> Subject: Znyx cards To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 01:45:49 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: wjw@IAEhv.nl X-NCC-RegID: nl.iae X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Not quite for FreeBSD, but since were going to build FreeBSD based routers with them I take te liberty to alsk here. Does anybody known of a E-mail order hardware shop which will FedEX me 1 or 2 Znyx ZX346 boards? I'll be paying by Creditcard. And can you give me a indication of what a card would cost. --WjW -- Internet Access Eindhoven BV., voice: +31-40-2 393 393, data: +31-40-2 439 436 P.O. 928, 5600 AX Eindhoven, The Netherlands Full Internet connectivity for only fl 12.95 a month. Call now, and login as 'new'. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 30 05:32:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03259 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 05:32:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from px.f1.ru (px.f1.ru [194.87.86.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA03208 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 05:31:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from am@px.f1.ru) Received: (from am@localhost) by px.f1.ru (8.8.8/amsoft/1.0) id RAA27177 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:28:41 +0400 (MSD) From: Andrew Maltsev Message-Id: <199803301328.RAA27177@px.f1.ru> Subject: Tagged SCSI To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:28:41 +0400 (MSD) Reply-To: am@f1.ru Organization: F1 communications X-Phone: +7-086-229-9988 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Will AHC_TAGENABLE turn on tagging on both buses (wide and normal) of AHA-2940UW? If yes is it possible to turn it on only on UW bus, but turn off on narrow - it is streamer connected there which do not understand tagging. Or I'd misunderstood something? If possible I want to exchange some letters with SCSI guru.. Yours, Andrew. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 30 09:59:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13258 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:59:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13236 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:59:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJiS3-0001Md-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:34:27 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:34:22 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: am@f1.ru cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tagged SCSI In-Reply-To: <199803301328.RAA27177@px.f1.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Andrew Maltsev wrote: > Will AHC_TAGENABLE turn on tagging on both buses (wide and normal) > of AHA-2940UW? Yes. The 2940UW really has only one bus, but with two connectors. > If yes is it possible to turn it on only on UW bus, but turn off on > narrow - it is streamer connected there which do not understand tagging. > Or I'd misunderstood something? No. Devices that don't understand tags should just not ask the controller to use them. If the device does anyhow and is buggy, a entry should be added to the SCSI device quirks table for your streamer. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 30 10:55:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22570 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:55:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22560 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:54:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de) Received: from salomon.mchp.siemens.de (salomon.siemens.de [139.23.33.13]) by david.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA29605 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:54:30 +0100 (MET) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (daemon@curry.mchp.siemens.de [146.180.31.23]) by salomon.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA09096 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:54:30 +0200 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11822 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:54:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Andre Albsmeier Message-Id: <199803301854.UAA01783@intern> Subject: Re: Tagged SCSI In-Reply-To: from Tom at "Mar 30, 98 09:34:22 am" To: tom@sdf.com (Tom) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:54:27 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > If yes is it possible to turn it on only on UW bus, but turn off on > > narrow - it is streamer connected there which do not understand tagging. > > Or I'd misunderstood something? > > No. Devices that don't understand tags should just not ask the > controller to use them. If the device does anyhow and is buggy, a entry > should be added to the SCSI device quirks table for your streamer. I think this is the entry SD_Q_NO_TAGS in scsiconf.c, right? Could you, or s.o. else, please drop me a short note where this entry is being used later? If grep'ed SD_Q_NO_TAGS on the whole kernel sources and didn't find it anywhere. I would like to see what changes SD_Q_NO_TAGS does in the scsidriver. Thanks a lot, -Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 30 11:29:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28788 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:29:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28775 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:29:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com) Received: (from gibbs@localhost) by narnia.plutotech.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id MAA29940; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:25:02 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:25:02 -0700 (MST) From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Message-Id: <199803301925.MAA29940@narnia.plutotech.com> To: Andre Albsmeier cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tagged SCSI Newsgroups: pluto.freebsd.hardware In-Reply-To: <199803301854.UAA01783@intern> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971204 (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.0-CURRENT (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I think this is the entry SD_Q_NO_TAGS in scsiconf.c, right? Only the NCR driver uses it. All drivers in the CAM SCSI layer honor these quirks, however, as the transport layer, not the controller driver, dictates tag policy. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 30 12:01:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07351 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:01:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07329 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:01:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de) Received: from salomon.mchp.siemens.de (salomon.siemens.de [139.23.33.13]) by david.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA05171 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 21:00:54 +0100 (MET) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (daemon@curry.mchp.siemens.de [146.180.31.23]) by salomon.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA18188 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:00:55 +0200 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12146 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:00:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Andre Albsmeier Message-Id: <199803302000.WAA11619@intern> Subject: Re: Tagged SCSI In-Reply-To: <199803301925.MAA29940@narnia.plutotech.com> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at "Mar 30, 98 12:25:02 pm" To: gibbs@narnia.plutotech.com (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:00:52 +0200 (CEST) Cc: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I think this is the entry SD_Q_NO_TAGS in scsiconf.c, right? > > Only the NCR driver uses it. All drivers in the CAM SCSI layer > honor these quirks, however, as the transport layer, not the controller > driver, dictates tag policy. I see. So since 2.2.6 currently does not support CAM, it has no effect there, right? Thanks a lot, -Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 30 12:02:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07552 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:02:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07528 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:02:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01184; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:57:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803301957.LAA01184@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: Andre Albsmeier , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tagged SCSI In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:25:02 MST." <199803301925.MAA29940@narnia.plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:57:21 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I think this is the entry SD_Q_NO_TAGS in scsiconf.c, right? > > Only the NCR driver uses it. All drivers in the CAM SCSI layer > honor these quirks, however, as the transport layer, not the controller > driver, dictates tag policy. This would explain why my adding this quirk entry doesn't help Jaz drives hung off Adaptec controllers. Is it possible to disable TCQ using the card configuration, or are we SOL with this combination? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 30 12:38:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15438 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:38:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA15272 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:38:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17226; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:37:03 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803302037.NAA17226@pluto.plutotech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Mike Smith cc: "Justin T. Gibbs" , Andre Albsmeier , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tagged SCSI In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:57:21 PST." <199803301957.LAA01184@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:33:36 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> > I think this is the entry SD_Q_NO_TAGS in scsiconf.c, right? >> >> Only the NCR driver uses it. All drivers in the CAM SCSI layer >> honor these quirks, however, as the transport layer, not the controller >> driver, dictates tag policy. > >This would explain why my adding this quirk entry doesn't help Jaz >drives hung off Adaptec controllers. Is it possible to disable TCQ >using the card configuration, or are we SOL with this combination? You could add code to honor the quirk to the Adaptec driver. It shouldn't be too hard. Take a look in i386/scsi/aic7xxx.c:ahc_done(). -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 30 12:39:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15587 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:39:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA15492 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:38:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17257; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:37:54 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803302037.NAA17257@pluto.plutotech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Andre Albsmeier cc: gibbs@plutotech.com (Justin T. Gibbs), hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tagged SCSI In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:00:52 +0200." <199803302000.WAA11619@intern> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:34:27 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> > I think this is the entry SD_Q_NO_TAGS in scsiconf.c, right? >> >> Only the NCR driver uses it. All drivers in the CAM SCSI layer >> honor these quirks, however, as the transport layer, not the controller >> driver, dictates tag policy. > >I see. So since 2.2.6 currently does not support CAM, it has no effect >there, right? > >Thanks a lot, > > -Andre It has no effect for the aic7xxx driver, but the aic7xxx driver will not perform tagged queuing to a device that does not support it. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 31 17:14:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA09240 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:14:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09218 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:14:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@vnode.vmunix.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10854; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:16:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mark) Message-ID: <19980331201643.40249@vmunix.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:16:43 -0500 From: Mark Mayo To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 17" monitor recomendations.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, it's time for that semi-annual "which monitor should I buy" thread, and this time it will be me who starts it! :-) Anyhow, my Mag finally blew up, and I had great fun taking the elevator to the top of a 20 story building and dropping the piece of crap off the roof.. :-) I never imagined that it would feel so good to watch the Mag - which I payed $1400 for 4 years ago - plummet to its shattering death.... 8-) So now I'm looking for a new 17" high-quality display. Here are my ideas so far - comments/experiences welcome! - Nokia 447Xi - ViewSonic PT775 - Samsung Syncmaster 700p All of these are in the $950 CAN range. I'm also considering the Sony GDM-200PS - but it's about $1130 CAN, a significant price hike.. Still, I have a 10 year old Trinitron based Sun monitor on my desk at school that looks stellar... I've also heard that AcerView has a nice 17 these days.. hard to believe.. but apparently true! I worry about long term quality on things like AcerView though - my Mag looked great when I bought it, but loooked like garbage when it finally spewed smoke... Anyhow, if any body has experience with any of these units, I'd love to hear what you think of them! TIA, -Mark -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The problem is how do you build tools that understand your programs at a deeper semantic level." - James Gosling To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 31 17:22:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA09924 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:22:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09910 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:22:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id UAA15515; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:18:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:21:56 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Mark Mayo cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 17" monitor recomendations.. In-Reply-To: <19980331201643.40249@vmunix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Mark Mayo wrote: > - ViewSonic PT775 Definately the viewsonic :) I have the P775 couldnt quite get the extra cash for the PT775, but there similiar. EXCELLENT monitor. I mean REALLY nice. That's my vote the PT775! Killer 17" and it's using the sony tube i believe. Chris -- "I am closed minded. It keeps the rain out." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 31 17:43:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12696 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:43:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mooseriver.com (dynamic59.pm08.sf3d.best.com [209.24.235.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12663 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:43:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id RAA02194; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:40:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980331174037.19372@mooseriver.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:40:37 -0800 From: Josef Grosch To: Mark Mayo Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 17" monitor recomendations.. Reply-To: jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com References: <19980331201643.40249@vmunix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79 In-Reply-To: <19980331201643.40249@vmunix.com>; from Mark Mayo on Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 08:16:43PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 08:16:43PM -0500, Mark Mayo wrote: > Hi, it's time for that semi-annual "which monitor should I buy" thread, > and this time it will be me who starts it! :-) > > Anyhow, my Mag finally blew up, and I had great fun taking the elevator > to the top of a 20 story building and dropping the piece of crap off > the roof.. :-) I never imagined that it would feel so good to watch > the Mag - which I payed $1400 for 4 years ago - plummet to its > shattering death.... 8-) > > So now I'm looking for a new 17" high-quality display. Here are my > ideas so far - comments/experiences welcome! > [ DELETED ] I am very happy with my Sony 200sx. It cost me $700.00 about a year ago. I have seen them here in the Bay Area for around $500.00 in the last few weeks. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.5 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 31 17:47:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA13572 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:47:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from marlin.corp.gulf.net (root@marlin.corp.gulf.net [198.69.72.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13540 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:47:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tbackman@corp.gulf.net) Received: from marlin.corp.gulf.net (tbackman@marlin.corp.gulf.net [206.105.61.2]) by marlin.corp.gulf.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA14780; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:47:18 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:47:18 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Backman To: Mark Mayo cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 17" monitor recomendations.. In-Reply-To: <19980331201643.40249@vmunix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Take a look at the IIyama 17" pro. On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Mark Mayo wrote: > Hi, it's time for that semi-annual "which monitor should I buy" thread, > and this time it will be me who starts it! :-) > > Anyhow, my Mag finally blew up, and I had great fun taking the elevator > to the top of a 20 story building and dropping the piece of crap off > the roof.. :-) I never imagined that it would feel so good to watch > the Mag - which I payed $1400 for 4 years ago - plummet to its > shattering death.... 8-) > > So now I'm looking for a new 17" high-quality display. Here are my > ideas so far - comments/experiences welcome! > > - Nokia 447Xi > - ViewSonic PT775 > - Samsung Syncmaster 700p > > > TIA, > -Mark ===================================================================== Todd Backman (tbackman@corp.gulf.net) Network Engineering Systems/POP Administration Gulf Coast Internet Company 1-800-444-INET To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 31 18:00:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA16055 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:00:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [206.127.225.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA15982 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:59:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard@pegasus.com) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id PAA06486; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:59:33 -1000 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:59:33 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199804010159.PAA06486@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Todd Backman "Re: 17" monitor recomendations.." (Mar 31, 7:47pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 17" monitor recomendations.. Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org } } Take a look at the IIyama 17" pro. } I'll second that. Mine's three or four years old and still looks great. Does a great job at 1280x1024. Richard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 31 18:04:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA16528 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:04:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA16498 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:04:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca36-50.ix.netcom.com [207.93.42.242]) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27454; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:03:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/8.6.9) id SAA18978; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:03:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:03:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199804010203.SAA18978@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: tbackman@corp.gulf.net CC: mark@vmunix.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Todd Backman on Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:47:18 -0600 (CST)) Subject: Re: 17" monitor recomendations.. From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't know what they are called now, but Sony used to make three lines of Trinitron monitors: the SE, SF and SX. I have both 20SE and 20SF around here, and the difference is staggering. The 20SE can do 1200x900 at 102Hz with a Matrox Millenium, and it's as smooth as paper. The number to look out for is the horizontal sync rate: for 17", they should be something like 92kHz, 85kHz and 70kHz. You want at least 85kHz or you won't be able to get a flicker-free screen for 1152x864. If you are spending a lot of time in front of the computer, get the best monitor you can afford, they will last a long time (no, Mag doesn't qualify) and once your eyes get bad, no amount of money will bring your eyesight back. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 31 18:37:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA20484 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:37:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from marlin.corp.gulf.net (root@marlin.corp.gulf.net [198.69.72.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA20393; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:37:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tbackman@corp.gulf.net) Received: from marlin.corp.gulf.net (tbackman@marlin.corp.gulf.net [206.105.61.2]) by marlin.corp.gulf.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA15752; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:37:11 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:37:11 -0600 (CST) From: Todd Backman To: Satoshi Asami cc: mark@vmunix.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 17" monitor recomendations.. In-Reply-To: <199804010203.SAA18978@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The IIyama 17" pro has a .25mm AG Diamondtron screen. Sync Frequency: Horz: 27.0-92khz Vert: 50-160 Video bandwidth: 160MHz dot clock Max resolution: 1600x1200 (non-interlaced) at: $649 awesome warranty also. On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Satoshi Asami wrote: > I don't know what they are called now, but Sony used to make three > lines of Trinitron monitors: the SE, SF and SX. I have both 20SE and > 20SF around here, and the difference is staggering. The 20SE can do > 1200x900 at 102Hz with a Matrox Millenium, and it's as smooth as > paper. > > The number to look out for is the horizontal sync rate: for 17", they > should be something like 92kHz, 85kHz and 70kHz. You want at least > 85kHz or you won't be able to get a flicker-free screen for 1152x864. > > If you are spending a lot of time in front of the computer, get the > best monitor you can afford, they will last a long time (no, Mag > doesn't qualify) and once your eyes get bad, no amount of money will > bring your eyesight back. > > Satoshi > ===================================================================== Todd Backman (tbackman@corp.gulf.net) Network Engineering Systems/POP Administration Gulf Coast Internet Company 1-800-444-INET To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 31 18:48:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22164 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:48:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22071; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:47:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@vnode.vmunix.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA11221; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:50:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mark) Message-ID: <19980331215010.26661@vmunix.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:50:10 -0500 From: Mark Mayo To: Todd Backman , Satoshi Asami Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 17" monitor recomendations.. References: <199804010203.SAA18978@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Todd Backman on Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 08:37:11PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 08:37:11PM -0600, Todd Backman wrote: > > The IIyama 17" pro has a .25mm AG Diamondtron screen. > Sync Frequency: Horz: 27.0-92khz Vert: 50-160 > Video bandwidth: 160MHz dot clock > Max resolution: 1600x1200 (non-interlaced) I was also seriously considering buying this brand, but haven't been able to find any shops in the Southern Ontario area who can get it... hmmrrff. I think I'll try harder. Otherwise, the Nokia has generated about 5 very favourable responses! :-) > > I don't know what they are called now, but Sony used to make three > > lines of Trinitron monitors: the SE, SF and SX. I have both 20SE and > > 20SF around here, and the difference is staggering. The 20SE can do > > 1200x900 at 102Hz with a Matrox Millenium, and it's as smooth as > > paper. I think now they're called the GS,ES, and PS (the ES/GS might be in the wrong order..) -- as far as I can tell, nearly the same monitors with different names. > > If you are spending a lot of time in front of the computer, get the > > best monitor you can afford, they will last a long time (no, Mag > > doesn't qualify) and once your eyes get bad, no amount of money will > > bring your eyesight back. Indeed. That's pretty much my theory as well - I consider the monitor the most important part of the computer, since it's what I'm staring at all day long.. -Mark > > > > Satoshi > > > > ===================================================================== > Todd Backman (tbackman@corp.gulf.net) > Network Engineering > Systems/POP Administration > Gulf Coast Internet Company 1-800-444-INET -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The problem is how do you build tools that understand your programs at a deeper semantic level." - James Gosling To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 31 18:54:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23062 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:54:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22915 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:53:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@vnode.vmunix.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA11246; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:55:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mark) Message-ID: <19980331215520.22448@vmunix.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:55:20 -0500 From: Mark Mayo To: Open Systems Networking Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 17" monitor recomendations.. References: <19980331201643.40249@vmunix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Open Systems Networking on Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 08:21:56PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 08:21:56PM -0500, Open Systems Networking wrote: > On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Mark Mayo wrote: > > > - ViewSonic PT775 > > Definately the viewsonic :) > I have the P775 couldnt quite get the extra cash for the PT775, but there > similiar. > EXCELLENT monitor. I mean REALLY nice. That's my vote the PT775! > Killer 17" and it's using the sony tube i believe. Actually, I think it uses the "DiamondTron" or something like that from Mitsubishi, no? Definately an aperature grill - but I don't think it's a Sony. For those keeping count, I've got about 5 votes for the Nokia, 3 for the Iiayma (sp?), and 1 for the ViewSonic. I suspect they are all excellent choices, and it will probably come down to which ever I can get cheapest. Although I do have a preference for the Nokia, since it uses the Sony aperature grill, and apparently implements it better than Sony.. -Mark > > Chris > > > -- > "I am closed minded. It keeps the rain out." > > ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. > FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 > -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 > FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net > http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security > ===================================| http://open-systems.net > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The problem is how do you build tools that understand your programs at a deeper semantic level." - James Gosling To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 31 18:58:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23649 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:58:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA23640; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:58:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id VAA08655; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:54:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:58:06 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Mark Mayo cc: Todd Backman , Satoshi Asami , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 17" monitor recomendations.. In-Reply-To: <19980331215010.26661@vmunix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Mark Mayo wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 08:37:11PM -0600, Todd Backman wrote: > > > > The IIyama 17" pro has a .25mm AG Diamondtron screen. > > Sync Frequency: Horz: 27.0-92khz Vert: 50-160 > > Video bandwidth: 160MHz dot clock > > Max resolution: 1600x1200 (non-interlaced) My last monitor was an IIyama formerly IDEK. Great monitor so when I went to buy my new one, i wound up buying a viewsonic, for the fact People had been telling me the IIYamas were getting pretty high defective rates. The most notable person being mark from apache digital. He stopped carrying them because he had so many returned. So that clenched my not buying one. But either way A good viewsonic or a good iiyama there both great monitors. So your not going to loose. Chris -- "I am closed minded. It keeps the rain out." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 31 19:02:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA24596 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:02:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA24570 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:02:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt2-96.HiWAAY.net [208.147.148.96]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA21905; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:02:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id UAA07808; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:13:26 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199804010213.UAA07808@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mark Mayo cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: 17" monitor recomendations.. In-reply-to: Message from Mark Mayo of "Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:16:43 EST." <19980331201643.40249@vmunix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:13:26 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Mayo writes: > > So now I'm looking for a new 17" high-quality display. Here are my > ideas so far - comments/experiences welcome! > > - Nokia 447Xi > - ViewSonic PT775 > - Samsung Syncmaster 700p I have been happy with my ViewSonic PT770, and 4 more at work. Haven't seen a PT775 yet but I think about 3 are due to arrive in a week or two. Be aware there is also a ViewSonic P775 (without the T) without the Trinitron-like tube. InfoWorld (or something) had good things to say about the P775 this past month, but it wasn't a comparison. Somebody simply replaced their monitor with a P775 and wrote how happy they were compared to their old monitor. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 31 19:54:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01573 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:54:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au (gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au [203.17.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA01562 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:54:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Peter.Jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: from mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au ([139.188.23.1]) by gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-7 #U2695) with ESMTP id <01IVCUWTL10G002PE8@gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au> for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:36:54 +1000 Received: from cbd.alcatel.com.au by cim.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2695) with ESMTP id <01IVCUWPH6V4BTRTXB@cim.alcatel.com.au> for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 13:36:49 +1000 Received: from gsms01.alcatel.com.au by cbd.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-7 #U2695) with ESMTP id <01IVCUWM4V9CAZTQDR@cbd.alcatel.com.au> for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 13:36:44 +1100 Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsms01.alcatel.com.au (8.8.8/8.7.3) id NAA27751 for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 13:36:42 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 13:36:42 +1000 (EST) From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: 17" monitor recomendations.. To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <199804010336.NAA27751@gsms01.alcatel.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:16:43 -0500, Mark Mayo wrote: >So now I'm looking for a new 17" high-quality display. You don't say what resolution you intend to run, but two items to watch out for are video bandwidth and dot pitch. A 17" monitor will typically give you a 12.8" x 9.6" screen area. If you want to run 1280x1024, that translates to pixels that are 0.25x0.24mm - so ignore any monitors that have a bigger dot pitch. Bandwidth's a more slippery issue, but if you want the vertical lines to be as sharp as the horizontal ones, you probably want a video bandwidth that's about 50% greater than your dot-clock. Peter -- Peter Jeremy (VK2PJ) peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au Alcatel Australia Limited 41 Mandible St Phone: +61 2 9690 5019 ALEXANDRIA NSW 2015 Fax: +61 2 9690 5247 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 31 22:04:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA18304 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:04:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp2.xs4all.nl (smtp2.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA18298 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:04:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nexus@xs4all.nl) Received: (from root@localhost) by smtp2.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA24700; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:04:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Case To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Via: imploder /usr/local/lib/mail/news2mail/news2mail at smtp2.xs4all.nl Subject: 16 bit sound on Micron Transport ? Date: 1 Apr 1998 08:04:07 +0200 Organization: XS4ALL, networking for the masses Message-ID: <6fslcn$6qd$1@xs2.xs4all.nl> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I recently aquired a Micron TransPort XKE laptop which is supposed to be soundblaster and microsoft sound system compatible. The 8 bit soundblaster driver in 2.2.6 works fine with these lines in my conf: controller snd0 device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 7 conflicts drq 1 vector sbintr However, I cant seem to get 16 bit sound, neither with the sbxvi or mss driver. The BIOS allows me to set an 8 bit DMA channel, a 16 bit DMA channel, an IRQ and 2 IO ranges. As you can see in the lines above thats DMA channel 1 with IRQ 7 for the 8 bit soundblaster, in IO range 220-22f That leaves DMA 5 for 16 bit sound, and the IO range 330-331 for the MPU .. but that doesnt work. device sbxvi0 at isa? drq 5 the BIOS doesnt mention anything in the 530 range for microsoft sound support ... (or a second IRQ, for that matter .. ) The chipset used is actually the ESS1878 or ESS1879 , micron isnt clear on that. Any suggestions ? Thanks, Casey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 31 22:07:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA18830 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:07:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA18803 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:07:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id WAA05875; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:06:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma005871; Tue Mar 31 22:06:14 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id WAA12121; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:06:14 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199804010606.WAA12121@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: 17" monitor recomendations.. In-Reply-To: <19980331201643.40249@vmunix.com> from Mark Mayo at "Mar 31, 98 08:16:43 pm" To: mark@vmunix.com (Mark Mayo) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:06:14 -0800 (PST) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Mayo writes: > Hi, it's time for that semi-annual "which monitor should I buy" thread, > and this time it will be me who starts it! :-) > > Anyhow, my Mag finally blew up, and I had great fun taking the elevator > to the top of a 20 story building and dropping the piece of crap off > the roof.. :-) I never imagined that it would feel so good to watch > the Mag - which I payed $1400 for 4 years ago - plummet to its > shattering death.... 8-) > > So now I'm looking for a new 17" high-quality display. Here are my > ideas so far - comments/experiences welcome! > > - Nokia 447Xi > - ViewSonic PT775 > - Samsung Syncmaster 700p I bought the Sampo AlphaScan 711 and it was much cheaper than the other 17" monitors, but from what I can tell works just great. It was something like $350! Probably can't handle super high frequencies though. I use it at 1280x1024 and that works fine for me. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 1 00:03:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA07751 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:03:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from einstein.fisica.ist.utl.pt (gabriel@dns.fisica.ist.utl.pt [193.136.197.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA07731 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:03:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gabriel@fisica.ist.utl.pt) Received: from localhost (gabriel@localhost) by einstein.fisica.ist.utl.pt (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA14559; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:02:43 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:02:42 +0100 (BST) From: Jose Gabriel J Marcelino Reply-To: Jose Gabriel J Marcelino To: Mark Mayo cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 17" monitor recomendations.. In-Reply-To: <19980331201643.40249@vmunix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > - Nokia 447Xi > - ViewSonic PT775 > - Samsung Syncmaster 700p For a small price difference you can get the Nokia 447Xpro.. It's by far the best monitor I saw (haven't seen the Viewsonics or the IIyamas...). Stay away from the Samsungs, they're really crap. The Nokia 447Xpro specs are: 30-96Khz horizontal frequency 50-150 Hz vertical refresh 160Mhz bandwith .25 Trinitron apperture grille Running very stable under XFree86 on my Millenium II up to 1600x1200 76Hz. Reseller price in Portugal for this baby is US$780. -- Jose Gabriel J Marcelino gabriel@maquina.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 1 00:29:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA12785 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:29:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mrelay.jrc.it (mrelay.jrc.it [139.191.1.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA12777 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:29:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nick.hibma@jrc.it) Received: from elect8 (elect8.jrc.it [139.191.71.152]) by mrelay.jrc.it (LMC5688) with SMTP id KAA04635; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:29:25 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:27:36 +0200 (MET DST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@elect8 Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: Mark Mayo cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 17" monitor recomendations.. In-Reply-To: <19980331201643.40249@vmunix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > So now I'm looking for a new 17" high-quality display. Here are my > ideas so far - comments/experiences welcome! > > - Nokia 447Xi > - ViewSonic PT775 > - Samsung Syncmaster 700p Have a look at the Philips Brilliance series as well. They compare very well to the Sony models (which are cooool, or at least the 20" once they have at work here). www.outpost.com: Brilliance 107 17" Color Monitor 17-inch 1600 x 1200 AUTOSCAN MONITOR $619.25 By the way, the fact that I am Dutch and Philips as well, is purely coincidental :-). Being Dutch I bought a cheaper one and now I feel sorry for it. For the record, a friend of mine has a 15" one for 4 years now and he is very happy with it. Nick STA-ISIS, Joint Research Centre, Italy building: 27A tel.: +39 332 78 9549 fax.: +39 332 78 9185 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 2 09:28:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA20019 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:28:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bbs.mpcs.com (bbs.mpcs.com [204.215.226.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19924 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:27:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hgoldste@bbs.mpcs.com) Received: (from hgoldste@localhost) by bbs.mpcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.7/MPCS spamzap) id MAA07315; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:27:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:27:43 -0500 From: Howard Goldstein Message-Id: <199804021727.MAA07315@bbs.mpcs.com> To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: mark@vmunix.com Subject: Re: 17" monitor recomendations.. In-Reply-To: <19980331201643.40249@vmunix.com> Reply-To: hgoldste@bbs.mpcs.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org mark@vmunix.com wrote: : - ViewSonic PT775 Has Sony 200sx (blech...severe non-linear pincushioning) and panasonic pf70 (nice and flat, but severe linear pincushioning), returned em both, settled on the PT775. Very happy with it. Count this as another PT775 vote. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 2 09:40:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22795 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:40:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22787 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:40:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmastrol@Venus.mcs.net) Received: from Venus.mcs.net (jmastrol@Venus.mcs.net [192.160.127.92]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id LAA03530; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:40:19 -0600 (CST) Received: (from jmastrol@localhost) by Venus.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) id LAA09311; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:40:18 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980402114018.19208@mcs.net> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:40:18 -0600 From: John Mastrolia To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [jmastrol@Mcs.Net: SCSI card difficulties] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: e-mail X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Earlier this week I posted a message to freebsd-hardware about SCSI errors using the NCR driver with both an 860 and 875 based controllers. Since the problem was identified, here is a followup. The problem with the NCR 875 card (JBond) was the card itself. After replacing the card with another one from the dealers inventory, the NCR driver was able to address all devices without difficulty. The only sensible conclusion about the 860 controller is that it is defective as well, just not to the point of failure. Both of the SCSI cards were JBond (www.jbond.com) which, IMHO, says something about their quality control. Thanks to those who resonded with suggestions and past experience. -- jmastrol@mcs.net #import For public PGP Key 'finger jmastrol@mcs.net' -----Forwarded message from John Mastrolia ----- Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 23:04:19 -0600 From: John Mastrolia To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SCSI card difficulties X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am getting a few error messages with my Symbios 53C860 based SCSI card that seem a bit unusual. First, I'm running FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE on an asus P55T2P4 3.10 motherboard with an AMD K6-233. Devices include two Seagate ST31200N's, a DEC RZ26L, an External Zip (SCSI), a Plextor 12/20-PLEX cd-rom, and (the problem) an Exabyte 4200-c DAT tape drive. With the ncr 860 card the tape drive works as expected faithfully completing backups. The errors only occur on start up. Here's a snippit of dmesg: --- begin --- (ncr0:4:0): "EXABYTE EXB-4200c 149" type 1 removable SCSI 2 st0(ncr0:4:0): Sequential-Access ncr0: SCSI phase error fixup: CCB address misma tch (0xf0852400 != 0xf06a6400) np->ccb = 0xf06a6400 st0(ncr0:4:0): phase change 6-7 6@004bf5d8 resid=4. st0(ncr0:4:0): asynchronous. st0(ncr0:4:0): M_REJECT received (4:8). density code 0x13, drive empty --- end --- The device is setup to 5MB/sec with queue tags disabled, 8 bit width in the 860's setup. The machine is running flawlessly and I did not notice any problems until I made the mistake of upgrading the SCSI card to an NCR 53C875. The darn system would not boot until the tape was removed from the chain. I have the error messages if anyone is interested, but thought I would address these oddities with my narrow card before jumping further into the fire. Any suggestions or info appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- jmastrol@mcs.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message -----End of forwarded message----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 2 15:38:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00744 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:38:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00630; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:38:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06308; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:32:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: hosokawa@FreeBSD.ORG cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Problems with Libretto suspend mode. Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 15:32:03 -0800 Message-ID: <6304.891559923@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Any clues on this one? I've got a 70CT here on which I've got a 400MB Win95 partition (I know, boo hiss, but it's got all the nifty libretto utilities there and I need it for configuring certain PCCARD devices) and the rest of the space is devoted to FreeBSD. Anyway, I've tried making a 64MB gap between the Win95 partition and the FreeBSD one and I've tried leaving 64MB unallocated at the end of the disk, but in all cases using suspend mode causes the laptop to write at least 16MB of memory contents to disk (somewhere!) and the result is a destroyed FreeBSD partition. I just cannot get this thing to suspend without nuking the FreeBSD data! Any suggestions? I've tried searching the mailing list archives and reading the PAO FAQ and doing AltaVista searches and pretty much everything else, but I can't find a scrap of information about this - I can't even find information on where it's trying to store the suspend data. BAH! So much for living in an information age, eh? You still wind up having to ask someone. :-) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 2 15:59:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05215 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:59:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from afs.ntc.mita.keio.ac.jp (afs.ntc.mita.keio.ac.jp [131.113.212.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05208; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:59:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hosokawa@ntc.keio.ac.jp) Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by afs.ntc.mita.keio.ac.jp (8.8.8+2.7Wbeta7/3.6Wbeta6-ntc_mailserver1.03) id IAA19753; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:59:23 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:59:23 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199804022359.IAA19753@afs.ntc.mita.keio.ac.jp> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: hosokawa@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hosokawa@ntc.keio.ac.jp Subject: Re: Problems with Libretto suspend mode. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 02 Apr 1998 15:32:03 -0800". <6304.891559923@time.cdrom.com> From: hosokawa@ntc.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.20] 1996-12/08(Sun) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <6304.891559923@time.cdrom.com> jkh@time.cdrom.com writes: >> Anyway, I've tried making a 64MB gap between the Win95 partition and >> the FreeBSD one and I've tried leaving 64MB unallocated at the end of >> the disk, but in all cases using suspend mode causes the laptop to >> write at least 16MB of memory contents to disk (somewhere!) and the >> result is a destroyed FreeBSD partition. I just cannot get this >> thing to suspend without nuking the FreeBSD data! The latter seems to be the right way (but you don't have to allocate such a large area to hybernation). The easiest way to save hybernation area of Libretto is executing fdisk.exe from DOS (or Windows95's command prompt mode), keep FreeBSD partition as extended DOS slice, and change it to FreeBSD slice later from sysinstall. This is the FreeBSD "fdisk" result of my Libretto 50 (+ IBM 3.2GB disk). 10x128x63 sector gap is enough for hybernation area (just 39 megabytes). ******* Working on device /dev/rwd0 ******* parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: cylinders=788 heads=128 sectors/track=63 (8064 blks/cyl) parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: cylinders=788 heads=128 sectors/track=63 (8064 blks/cyl) Media sector size is 512 Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 Information from DOS bootblock is: The data for partition 1 is: sysid 6,(Primary 'big' DOS (> 32MB)) start 63, size 741825 (362 Meg), flag 0 beg: cyl 0/ sector 1/ head 1; end: cyl 91/ sector 63/ head 127 The data for partition 2 is: sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) start 741888, size 5539968 (2705 Meg), flag 80 beg: cyl 92/ sector 1/ head 0; end: cyl 778/ sector 63/ head 127 The data for partition 3 is: The data for partition 4 is: -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi Network Technology Center Keio University hosokawa@ntc.keio.ac.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Apr 3 01:44:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA05730 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 01:44:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA05721; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 01:44:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA12418; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 01:34:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: hosokawa@ntc.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) cc: hosokawa@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with Libretto suspend mode. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 Apr 1998 08:59:23 +0900." <199804022359.IAA19753@afs.ntc.mita.keio.ac.jp> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 01:34:09 -0800 Message-ID: <12415.891596049@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The latter seems to be the right way (but you don't have to allocate > such a large area to hybernation). The easiest way to save > hybernation area of Libretto is executing fdisk.exe from DOS (or > Windows95's command prompt mode), keep FreeBSD partition as extended > DOS slice, and change it to FreeBSD slice later from sysinstall. Thanks, that worked perfectly! I wonder why it didn't work when I did it manually, e.g. created the FreeBSD partition at total_size - 64MB and then created a space-eating 64MB partition at the end of the disk which I didn't use for anything. Perhaps the Libretto BIOS has certain rules about where it'll go "at the end" vs literally going always to the end of the drive? Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Apr 3 01:53:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA07222 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 01:53:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07214; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 01:53:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01498; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:52:19 +0200 (CEST) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hosokawa@ntc.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi), hosokawa@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with Libretto suspend mode. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 Apr 1998 01:34:09 -0800." <12415.891596049@time.cdrom.com> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 11:52:18 +0200 Message-ID: <1496.891597138@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <12415.891596049@time.cdrom.com>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: >> The latter seems to be the right way (but you don't have to allocate >> such a large area to hybernation). The easiest way to save >> hybernation area of Libretto is executing fdisk.exe from DOS (or >> Windows95's command prompt mode), keep FreeBSD partition as extended >> DOS slice, and change it to FreeBSD slice later from sysinstall. > >Thanks, that worked perfectly! I wonder why it didn't work when I did >it manually, e.g. created the FreeBSD partition at total_size - 64MB >and then created a space-eating 64MB partition at the end of the disk >which I didn't use for anything. Perhaps the Libretto BIOS has >certain rules about where it'll go "at the end" vs literally going >always to the end of the drive? It is very likely that the DOS FDISK couldn't even see this bit of the disk because the bios eats it before anybody notices. Try to look at the output of the FreeBSD Fdisk now and see what it says... -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "Drink MONO-tonic, it goes down but it will NEVER come back up!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message