From owner-freebsd-isdn Sun Dec 27 16:22:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23521 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:22:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kirk.muc.de (kirk.muc.de [194.94.228.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23449 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:22:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from captain@kirk.muc.de) Received: from localhost (captain@localhost) by kirk.muc.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA00240 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:22:36 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 01:22:35 +0100 (CET) From: Anderl To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: beta 0.70 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi folks, i recently updated i4b and everything is working fine so far. i just wonder about some console-messages which haven't shown up using the former version such as: i4b-L2-i4b_T202_timeout: unit 0, N202 = 3 i4b-L3-n_connect_response: ERROR, invalid channel -2 i4b-L1-timer4_expired: state = F3 Deactivated i4b-L2-i4b_T200_timeout: unit 0, RC = 0 what do they mean? thanks lot in advance, regards, anderl captain@kirk.muc.de: >> Very funny Scotty, but now beam down my clothes!! << http://www.kirk.muc.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Mon Dec 28 03:02:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA17510 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 03:02:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA17505 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 03:02:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from martin@rumolt.teuto.de) Received: from rumolt.teuto.de (root@rumolt.teuto.de [212.8.203.81]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA20530; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:02:09 +0100 Received: (from martin@localhost) by rumolt.teuto.de (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA01908; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:01:35 +0100 (MET) From: Martin Husemann Message-Id: <199812281101.MAA01908@rumolt.teuto.de> Subject: Re: beta 0.70 To: captain@kirk.muc.de (Anderl) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:01:35 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Anderl" at Dec 28, 98 01:22:35 am Organization: Crusaders Catering Services Inc. ;-) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > i4b-L2-i4b_T202_timeout: unit 0, N202 = 3 > i4b-L2-i4b_T200_timeout: unit 0, RC = 0 I've seen both too, but not under repeatable conditions. Do they happen often? > i4b-L3-n_connect_response: ERROR, invalid channel -2 There is no B-channel available on your S0 bus. A reliable way to produce this is: have one open connection and then try to open a called back connection where the remote site does not wait a few seconds between the trigger call and the callback. The open connection has one B-channel, the trigger call the second, and there is none for the incoming callback. After the trigger call has been rejected by the remote site or canceled by i4b, the incoming call will get its B-channel. I think this is not an error in many situations, so the message should be changed. > i4b-L1-timer4_expired: state = F3 Deactivated This is normal: the S0 bus has been deaktivated after some idle time. We should move this (purley informational message) from the default debug output to some message class only requested via isdndebug. Martin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Mon Dec 28 03:28:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA19604 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 03:28:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gorilla.mchh.siemens.de (gorilla.mchh.siemens.de [194.138.158.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA19599 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 03:28:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gax43544@icn.siemens.de) Received: from moody.mchh.siemens.de (mail2.mchh.siemens.de [194.138.158.226]) by gorilla.mchh.siemens.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA04194; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:27:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from uebemc.siemens.de (root@[132.29.102.62]) by moody.mchh.siemens.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA24732; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:29:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from koerk (gax43544@s71ee26.mchh3.oen.siemens.de [132.37.2.21] (may be forged)) by uebemc.siemens.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA02923; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:27:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost by koerk (8.8.8+Sun/NFS-Client-1.0) id MAA13600; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:27:53 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:27:51 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Gaertner To: Martin Husemann cc: Anderl , freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: beta 0.70 In-Reply-To: <199812281101.MAA01908@rumolt.teuto.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 28 Dec 1998, Martin Husemann wrote: > > i4b-L2-i4b_T202_timeout: unit 0, N202 = 3 > > i4b-L2-i4b_T200_timeout: unit 0, RC = 0 > > I've seen both too, but not under repeatable conditions. Do they happen > often? this is repeatable. when i close down the connection normally these show up after the idle-timeout. i am not severely concerned about all this but isn't it possible to generally get any messages from isdnd handled by syslog, meaning that all output concerning messages goes to let's say /var/log/isdnd.log, too? thank you for your immediate answer, regards, anderl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Mon Dec 28 06:43:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA06871 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 06:43:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gorilla.mchh.siemens.de (gorilla.mchh.siemens.de [194.138.158.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA06866 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 06:43:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gax43544@icn.siemens.de) Received: from moody.mchh.siemens.de (mail2.mchh.siemens.de [194.138.158.226]) by gorilla.mchh.siemens.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA11660; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:42:38 +0100 (MET) Received: from uebemc.siemens.de (root@[132.29.102.62]) by moody.mchh.siemens.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA09278; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:44:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from koerk (gax43544@s71ee26.mchh3.oen.siemens.de [132.37.2.21] (may be forged)) by uebemc.siemens.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA17636; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:43:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost by koerk (8.8.8+Sun/NFS-Client-1.0) id PAA13843; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:43:00 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:42:59 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Gaertner To: Martin Husemann cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: beta 0.70 (ii) In-Reply-To: <199812281101.MAA01908@rumolt.teuto.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 28 Dec 1998, Martin Husemann wrote: > > i4b-L2-i4b_T202_timeout: unit 0, N202 = 3 > > i4b-L2-i4b_T200_timeout: unit 0, RC = 0 > > I've seen both too, but not under repeatable conditions. Do they happen > often? hmmm... i'm not using rc.isdn but a *very* simple script to meet my needs. i'm starting isdnd out of /etc/rc.local with following entry: /usr/local/bin/isdnd -f -l -r /dev/ttyv5 -t cons25 & ...and my scripts named 'up' and 'down' look like this: ifconfig isp0 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmask 0xffffff00 ifconfig isp0 down spppcontrol isp0 authproto=pap myauthname=xxxx myauthsecret=xxxx hisauthproto=none ifconfig isp0 up route add default -interface isp0 ifconfig isp0 down route delete default route delete xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ifconfig isp0 delete maybe that's the reason why those messages appear even if the connection has been taken down previously? these two scripts used to be working sufficiently for my requirements and still do. just the messages did not show up under 0.63. > > i4b-L1-timer4_expired: state = F3 Deactivated > > This is normal: the S0 bus has been deaktivated after some idle time. > We should move this (purley informational message) from the default > debug output to some message class only requested via isdndebug. ok, but these ones appear unattendedly several times after another like this: Dec 28 10:33:26 kirk /kernel: i4b-L1-timer4_expired: state = F3 Deactivated Dec 28 10:38:22 kirk /kernel: i4b-L1-timer4_expired: state = F3 Deactivated Dec 28 11:51:23 kirk /kernel: i4b-L1-timer4_expired: state = F3 Deactivated Dec 28 12:26:46 kirk /kernel: i4b-L1-timer4_expired: state = F3 Deactivated how come that? again, thanks lot in advance, regards, anderl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Dec 29 02:38:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA16315 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 02:38:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA16308 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 02:38:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from martin@rumolt.teuto.de) Received: from rumolt.teuto.de (root@rumolt.teuto.de [212.8.203.81]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA27907; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:38:15 +0100 Received: from hwart (hwart.teuto.de [212.8.203.83]) by rumolt.teuto.de (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA05484; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:56:33 +0100 (MET) From: "Martin Husemann" To: "Andreas Gaertner" Cc: Subject: RE: beta 0.70 (ii) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 19:56:33 +0100 Message-ID: <000001be3293$c9556230$53cb08d4@hwart.teuto.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > ok, but these ones appear unattendedly several times after another like > this: > > Dec 28 10:33:26 kirk /kernel: i4b-L1-timer4_expired: state = F3 > Deactivated > Dec 28 10:38:22 kirk /kernel: i4b-L1-timer4_expired: state = F3 > Deactivated > Dec 28 11:51:23 kirk /kernel: i4b-L1-timer4_expired: state = F3 > Deactivated > Dec 28 12:26:46 kirk /kernel: i4b-L1-timer4_expired: state = F3 > Deactivated > > how come that? The S0 bus is activated and deactivated for various reasons, i.e. you pick up a phone on the same S0 bus, an incoming call, the network just wanted to check you are still alive... Martin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Dec 29 07:00:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA07885 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 07:00:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gorilla.mchh.siemens.de (gorilla.mchh.siemens.de [194.138.158.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA07879 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 07:00:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gax43544@uebemc.siemens.de) Received: from moody.mchh.siemens.de (mail2.mchh.siemens.de [194.138.158.226]) by gorilla.mchh.siemens.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA22294; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:59:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from uebemc.siemens.de (root@[132.29.102.62]) by moody.mchh.siemens.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA21946; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:01:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from koerk (gax43544@koerk [132.37.2.21]) by uebemc.siemens.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA01845; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:00:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost by koerk (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id QAA01609; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:00:02 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 16:00:02 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Gaertner To: Martin Husemann cc: Andreas Gaertner , freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: beta 0.70 (ii) In-Reply-To: <000001be3293$c9556230$53cb08d4@hwart.teuto.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 28 Dec 1998, Martin Husemann wrote: > The S0 bus is activated and deactivated for various reasons, i.e. you pick > up a phone on the same S0 bus, an incoming call, the network just wanted to > check you are still alive... so this is to be considered absolutely normal, isn't it? the more phonecalls you have the more messages given above appear, right? remains one question: can't i handle those messages via syslog? thanks again. regards, anderl Andreas Gaertner, UNIX Systemadministration ICN CN23 [Fa. CLASS] andreas.gaertner.gp@icn.siemens.de http://www.kirk.muc.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Dec 30 01:11:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA22434 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:11:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA22429 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 01:11:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from martin@rumolt.teuto.de) Received: from rumolt.teuto.de (root@rumolt.teuto.de [212.8.203.81]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA31200; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:11:01 +0100 Received: from hwart (hwart.teuto.de [212.8.203.83]) by rumolt.teuto.de (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA02925; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:08:45 +0100 (MET) From: "Martin Husemann" To: "Andreas Gaertner" Cc: "Andreas Gaertner" , Subject: RE: beta 0.70 (ii) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:08:43 +0100 Message-ID: <000201be33d3$ffc61440$53cb08d4@hwart.teuto.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > so this is to be considered absolutely normal, isn't it? the more > phonecalls you have the more messages given above appear, right? Yes. > remains one question: can't i handle those messages via syslog? Change the DBGL macros in machine/i4b_debug.h. Martin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Dec 30 02:01:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA25856 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:01:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA25850 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:01:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA86540 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:00:47 +0100 (CET) To: isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: isdn4bsd in freebsd current From: Poul-Henning Kamp Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:00:47 +0100 Message-ID: <86538.915012047@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As you have no doubt seen, we have imported isdn4bsd into FreeBSD current. We still have to get the docs and examples in, but that will come shortly. We're not at the point where I think we need the users to take a more active role. I've talked with Hellmuth about this, and here are some of the things we talked about: * We need people to test that it works after the import * I would like somebody or some group to write a section for the handbook on ISDN. * We need a i4b FAQ maintainer * We need somebody to figure out if the g711 files are bit-flipped. Please try out the various tools under ports/audio, and see if they can handle the file 'msg.g711a' as a 8bit, 8khz aLaw file. If it can't, try to flip the bits around in the file and try again. Flipping bits means that 0x1a should becore 0x58. * Somebody should look into a way to use the vastly superior "userland-ppp" with i4b, to get multilink PPP capability. * Add support for even more hardware. I think it is important to stress, that while Hellmuth has carried us this far, we cannot expect, and he has repeatedly asked not to, be the only one to move things forward from here, so if you think I4B is important for FreeBSD, it is in your own best interest to get involved. Please send patches to Hellmuth as usual, he will make sure they get integrated into the tree, (my committing role is merely in helping Hellmuth get through the first hurdle of getting it all into the tree.) Please join me in a big thankyou to Hellmuth for this Xmas present to the FreeBSD project, and lets together make sure that he doesn't regret it! Poul-Henning PS: If anybody out there are considering tackling a 30B+2D, ie PRI, I may be able to provide a card which can support that. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "ttyv0" -- What UNIX calls a $20K state-of-the-art, 3D, hi-res color terminal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Dec 30 02:17:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA27437 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:17:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from finesse.paul-magazin.de (finesse.paul-magazin.de [195.238.147.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA27395 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:17:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from p@znet.de) Received: from pascal by finesse.paul-magazin.de with local (Exim 2.05 #2) id 0zvIgm-00031m-00 for freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:17:16 +0100 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:17:16 +0100 From: Pascal Gienger To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: isdn4bsd in freebsd current Message-ID: <19981230111716.A11638@finesse.paul-magazin.de> References: <86538.915012047@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <86538.915012047@critter.freebsd.dk>; from Poul-Henning Kamp on Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 11:00:47AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 11:00:47AM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > * I would like somebody or some group to write a section for the > handbook on ISDN. I could do that if that is wanted. Pascal -- Unix, Pascal Gienger, Moosstr. 7 /\ 7 .rtssooM ,regneiG lacsaP xinU Networx 78467 Konstanz, p@znet.de / \ ed.tenz@p ,znatsnoK 76487 xrowteN & WWW http://pascal.znet.de/ \ed.tenz.lacsap\\:ptth WWW & http://echo.znet.de:8888/ echo \8888:ed.tenz.ohce\\:ptth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Dec 30 02:26:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA28275 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:26:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA28267 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:26:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA86700; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:24:31 +0100 (CET) To: Pascal Gienger cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: isdn4bsd in freebsd current In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:17:16 +0100." <19981230111716.A11638@finesse.paul-magazin.de> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:24:30 +0100 Message-ID: <86698.915013470@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <19981230111716.A11638@finesse.paul-magazin.de>, Pascal Gienger writ es: >On Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 11:00:47AM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> * I would like somebody or some group to write a section for the >> handbook on ISDN. > >I could do that if that is wanted. By all means please do. Please start from the current FAQ (not committed to the tree yet, so get it out of the 0.70 package. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "ttyv0" -- What UNIX calls a $20K state-of-the-art, 3D, hi-res color terminal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Dec 30 02:37:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA29311 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:37:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hcshh.hcs.de (hcshh.hcs.de [194.123.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA29306 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:37:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hm@hcs.de) Received: from hcswork.hcs.de([192.76.124.5]) (1338 bytes) by hcshh.hcs.de via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:36:51 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2 built 1998-Jun-26) Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Smail3.1.29.0 #12) id m0zvJ30-00001KC; Wed, 30 Dec 98 11:40 MET Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:40:14 +0100 From: Hellmuth Michaelis To: isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: isdn4bsd in freebsd current Message-ID: <19981230114013.A29720@hcswork.hcs.de> Mail-Followup-To: isdn@FreeBSD.ORG References: <86538.915012047@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <86538.915012047@critter.freebsd.dk>; from Poul-Henning Kamp on Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 11:00:47AM +0100 Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 11:00:47AM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > * Somebody should look into a way to use the vastly superior > "userland-ppp" with i4b, to get multilink PPP capability. AFAIK, Eivind is working on it and has it running already. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis Tel +49 40 559747-70 HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Fax +49 40 559747-77 Oldesloer Strasse 97-99 Mail hm [at] hcs.de 22457 Hamburg WWW http://www.hcs.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Dec 30 02:58:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA01208 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:58:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hcshh.hcs.de (hcshh.hcs.de [194.123.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA01200 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:58:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hm@hcs.de) Received: from hcswork.hcs.de([192.76.124.5]) (1786 bytes) by hcshh.hcs.de via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:58:15 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2 built 1998-Jun-26) Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Smail3.1.29.0 #12) id m0zvJNi-00001KC; Wed, 30 Dec 98 12:01 MET Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:01:38 +0100 From: Hellmuth Michaelis To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: beta 0.70 (ii) Message-ID: <19981230120137.C29720@hcswork.hcs.de> Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG References: <000001be3293$c9556230$53cb08d4@hwart.teuto.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from Andreas Gaertner on Tue, Dec 29, 1998 at 04:00:02PM +0100 Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Dec 29, 1998 at 04:00:02PM +0100, Andreas Gaertner wrote: > On Mon, 28 Dec 1998, Martin Husemann wrote: > > > The S0 bus is activated and deactivated for various reasons, i.e. you pick > > up a phone on the same S0 bus, an incoming call, the network just wanted to > > check you are still alive... > > so this is to be considered absolutely normal, isn't it? No, not quite. What you see is the "persistent deactivation" timeout happening, which normally should not appear. Although i have no idea why it happenes at your site. isdntrace with its various options is your friend to find it out. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis Tel +49 40 559747-70 HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Fax +49 40 559747-77 Oldesloer Strasse 97-99 Mail hm [at] hcs.de 22457 Hamburg WWW http://www.hcs.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Dec 30 03:48:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA04982 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 03:48:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gorilla.mchh.siemens.de (gorilla.mchh.siemens.de [194.138.158.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA04976 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 03:48:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gax43544@icn.siemens.de) Received: from moody.mchh.siemens.de (mail2.mchh.siemens.de [194.138.158.226]) by gorilla.mchh.siemens.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA26177; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:47:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from uebemc.siemens.de (root@[132.29.102.62]) by moody.mchh.siemens.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA20872; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:49:02 +0100 (MET) Received: from koerk (gax43544@koerk [132.37.2.21]) by uebemc.siemens.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA05753; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:47:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost by koerk (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id MAA02754; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:47:45 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:47:45 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Gaertner To: hm@hcs.de cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: beta 0.70 (ii) In-Reply-To: <19981230120137.C29720@hcswork.hcs.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: > > so this is to be considered absolutely normal, isn't it? > > No, not quite. What you see is the "persistent deactivation" timeout > happening, which normally should not appear. Although i have no idea > why it happenes at your site. isdntrace with its various options is > your friend to find it out. ok, i will check that out. but as a matter of fact these messages show up after an amount of time a telephone call has taken place. maybe this is due to isdnd is permanently up because of the call out of /etc/rc.local? thanks, regards, anderl Andreas Gaertner, UNIX Systemadministration ICN CN23 [Fa. CLASS] andreas.gaertner.gp@icn.siemens.de http://www.kirk.muc.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Dec 30 04:55:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA12496 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 04:55:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hcshh.hcs.de (hcshh.hcs.de [194.123.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA12491 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 04:55:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hm@hcs.de) Received: from hcswork.hcs.de([192.76.124.5]) (2194 bytes) by hcshh.hcs.de via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:54:44 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2 built 1998-Jun-26) Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Smail3.1.29.0 #12) id m0zvLCQ-00001KC; Wed, 30 Dec 98 13:58 MET Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:58:06 +0100 From: Hellmuth Michaelis To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: beta 0.70 (ii) Message-ID: <19981230135806.A29911@hcswork.hcs.de> Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19981230120137.C29720@hcswork.hcs.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from Andreas Gaertner on Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 12:47:45PM +0100 Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 12:47:45PM +0100, Andreas Gaertner wrote: > On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: > > > > so this is to be considered absolutely normal, isn't it? > > > > No, not quite. What you see is the "persistent deactivation" timeout > > happening, which normally should not appear. Although i have no idea > > why it happenes at your site. isdntrace with its various options is > > your friend to find it out. > > ok, i will check that out. but as a matter of fact these messages show up > after an amount of time a telephone call has taken place. I have a telephone connected to my ISDN test box too and there this does not show up. So either this seems to be normal in certain environments and the messages should not be considered an error or the exchange you are conneted to does some strange things on the S0 (looking at your domain, is it possible that you are connectd to a HICOM ? :-)) > maybe this is > due to isdnd is permanently up because of the call out of /etc/rc.local? No. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis Tel +49 40 559747-70 HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Fax +49 40 559747-77 Oldesloer Strasse 97-99 Mail hm [at] hcs.de 22457 Hamburg WWW http://www.hcs.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Dec 30 05:41:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA15719 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 05:41:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gorilla.mchh.siemens.de (gorilla.mchh.siemens.de [194.138.158.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA15714 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 05:41:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gax43544@icn.siemens.de) Received: from moody.mchh.siemens.de (mail2.mchh.siemens.de [194.138.158.226]) by gorilla.mchh.siemens.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA01136; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:40:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from uebemc.siemens.de (root@[132.29.102.62]) by moody.mchh.siemens.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10278; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:41:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from koerk (gax43544@koerk [132.37.2.21]) by uebemc.siemens.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA00635; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:40:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost by koerk (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id OAA03020; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:40:39 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:40:38 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Gaertner To: hm@hcs.de cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: beta 0.70 (ii) In-Reply-To: <19981230135806.A29911@hcswork.hcs.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: > I have a telephone connected to my ISDN test box too and there this does > not show up. > > So either this seems to be normal in certain environments and the messages > should not be considered an error or the exchange you are conneted to does > some strange things on the S0 (looking at your domain, is it possible that > you are connectd to a HICOM ? :-)) hehe ;-) dunno what kind of exchange i am connected to but this never happened using 0.63. i wonder if i could'nt detour these messages into some other file by using 'isdnd 2>&1 /var/log/foo'? ;-) the fact i am happy about most is that i4b was running out of the (tar-)box litterally and i never had any problems with it. also, your and your colleagues' support here is absolutely outstanding, immediate and not improvable. i seriously appreciate all your efforts that in common made a project 'i4b' possible at all. i am looking forward to participate from this list even if i am not that kind of guy to contribute to due to lacks of knowledge. go on with it, you're the guys that make freebsd work! :-)) best regards, anderl ps: i needed to say that ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Dec 30 08:34:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA01026 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:34:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gorilla.mchh.siemens.de (gorilla.mchh.siemens.de [194.138.158.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01018 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:34:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gax43544@icn.siemens.de) Received: from moody.mchh.siemens.de (mail2.mchh.siemens.de [194.138.158.226]) by gorilla.mchh.siemens.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA07825 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:33:21 +0100 (MET) Received: from uebemc.siemens.de (root@[132.29.102.62]) by moody.mchh.siemens.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA25219 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:34:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from koerk (gax43544@koerk [132.37.2.21]) by uebemc.siemens.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA09680 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:33:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost by koerk (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id RAA14473; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:33:41 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:33:40 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Gaertner To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: isdntrace Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, recently i tried out the isdntrace and noted that using the string isdntrace -f /var/tmp/isdn.trace produces following output every ten seconds with no traffic occuring during the trace: -- NT->TE - unit:0 - frame:000031 - time:30.12 17:31:53.924800 - length:4 ------ Dump:000 00 9f 01 05 .... Q921: SAP=0 (Call Control), R, TEI=79, S-Frame: RR N(R) 2 PF what does that mean? regards, anderl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Dec 30 11:32:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22107 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:32:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ppp.net (mail.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22100 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:32:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ernie!bert.kts.org!hm@ppp.net) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc2.ppp.net [194.64.12.42]) by mail.ppp.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA28084; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:32:07 +0100 Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0zvRLi-002ZjZC; Wed, 30 Dec 98 20:32 MET Received: from bert.kts.org([194.55.156.2]) (2504 bytes) by ernie.kts.org via sendmail with P:smtp/R:smart_host/T:uux (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:15:40 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2.0.103 1998-Oct-9 #3 built 1998-Dec-9) Received: from localhost (2055 bytes) by bert.kts.org via sendmail with P:stdio/R:smart_host/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:15:45 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2.0.103 1998-Oct-9 #4 built 1998-Dec-26) Message-Id: From: hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: isdntrace In-Reply-To: from Andreas Gaertner at "Dec 30, 1998 5:33:40 pm" To: gax43544@icn.siemens.de (Andreas Gaertner) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:15:45 +0100 (CET) Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Kitchen Table Systems Reply-To: hm@kts.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andreas Gaertner wrote: > recently i tried out the isdntrace and noted that using the string > isdntrace -f /var/tmp/isdn.trace produces following output every ten > seconds with no traffic occuring during the trace: > > -- NT->TE - unit:0 - frame:000031 - time:30.12 17:31:53.924800 - length:4 > ------ > Dump:000 00 9f 01 05 .... > Q921: SAP=0 (Call Control), R, TEI=79, S-Frame: RR N(R) 2 PF The exchange asks "Hey, Terminal Equipment, are you still alive?" and we answer "Yes, i am". This goes for about 10 seconds after the last active connection has been closed, at that point the exchange shuts down layer 2 and 1 (in case you didn't ordered a constantly activated bus). This is the protocol mechanism which prevents you from being charged horrible amounts of money in case you have an active connection going on and someone pulls the plug. Folks, in case you want to use isdntrace for something serious, have a look in the file "misc/Resources" and fetch yourself the ITU standards Q.921 and Q.931 from one of the links (www.etsi.org is missing in that file, they opened up their site recently and anybody can now download much of the ETSI standards there for free), print them out and have them ready when you start looking at isdntrace output. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe We all live in a yellow subroutine, yellow subroutine, yellow subroutine ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Dec 30 11:32:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22157 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:32:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ppp.net (mail.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22138 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:32:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ernie!bert.kts.org!hm@ppp.net) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc2.ppp.net [194.64.12.42]) by mail.ppp.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA28071; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:32:02 +0100 Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0zvRLd-002ZjZC; Wed, 30 Dec 98 20:32 MET Received: from bert.kts.org([194.55.156.2]) (2041 bytes) by ernie.kts.org via sendmail with P:smtp/R:smart_host/T:uux (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:03:49 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2.0.103 1998-Oct-9 #3 built 1998-Dec-9) Received: from localhost (1590 bytes) by bert.kts.org via sendmail with P:stdio/R:smart_host/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:03:52 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2.0.103 1998-Oct-9 #4 built 1998-Dec-26) Message-Id: From: hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: beta 0.70 (ii) In-Reply-To: from Andreas Gaertner at "Dec 30, 1998 2:40:38 pm" To: gax43544@icn.siemens.de (Andreas Gaertner) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:03:52 +0100 (CET) Cc: hm@hcs.de, freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Kitchen Table Systems Reply-To: hm@kts.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andreas Gaertner wrote: > dunno what kind of exchange i am connected to but this never happened > using 0.63. Persistent deactivation was not implemented in 0.63. Removing the S0 plug would make your machine unusable in 0.63, whereas it now shuts the lower ISDN layers down more or less gracefully (and still improvable) after some time - which is probably still too long. > i wonder if i could'nt detour these messages into some other > file by using 'isdnd 2>&1 /var/log/foo'? ;-) This messages get generated by kernel printf's, isdnd has nothing to do with it. To route those messages to a different destination (which is not a good idea! Those messages are generated because of something going wrong somewhere, and this is not fixed by turning the messages off ...) check syslog.conf and "man syslogd". hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe We all live in a yellow subroutine, yellow subroutine, yellow subroutine ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Dec 30 17:17:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA28327 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:17:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.dinoex.sub.org (mail.dinoex.sub.de [195.243.29.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28320 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:16:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dirk.meyer@dinoex.sub.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.dinoex.sub.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id CAA12154 for freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 02:17:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from gate.dinoex.sub.org (dinoex@localhost) by net2.dinoex.sub.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with BSMTP id VAA00519 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:05:03 +0100 (CET) To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: From: dirk.meyer@dinoex.sub.org (Dirk Meyer) Organization: privat Subject: Re: isdntrace Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:58:36 +0100 X-Mailer: Dinoex 1.69 References: X-Gateway: ZCONNECT gate.dinoex.sub.org [UNIX/Connect v0.77-m1] X-ZC-ROT: dinoex.sub.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 16 EC 0A D3 3A 4F 28 8A 8A 47 93 F1 CF 2F 12 X-ZC-VIA: 19981230000000W+1@dinoex.sub.org Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andreas Gaertner wrote:, > [...] produces following output every ten > seconds with no traffic occuring during the trace: > -- NT->TE - unit:0 - frame:000031 - time:30.12 17:31:53.924800 - length:4 > Dump:000 00 9f 01 05 .... > Q921: SAP=0 (Call Control), R, TEI=79, S-Frame: RR N(R) 2 PF > what does that mean? This means your NT is alive, and your telecom switch is ready. Call Control keep the Connection with the switch established, after the TEI has been assigned. If i4b don't answer the request in a certain time, your TEI will become invalid. You see more of it if you have more than one device attached: -- TE->NT - unit:0 - frame:000090 - time:31.10 12:10:25.19 - length:4 - Dump:000 02 dd 01 0d .... Q921: SAP=0 (Call Control), R, TEI=110, S-Frame: RR N(R) 6 PF 1 -- NT->TE - unit:0 - frame:000091 - time:31.10 12:10:32.19 - length:4 - Dump:000 02 d5 01 b5 .... Q921: SAP=0 (Call Control), C, TEI=106, S-Frame: RR N(R) 90 PF 1 It is perfectly normal ... kind regards Dirk -- Dirk Meyer, Im Grund 4, 34317 Habichtswald, Germany -- Tel. +49-5606-6512 . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Dec 30 20:03:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA15209 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:03:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA15204 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:03:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hohmuth@olymp.sax.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id FAA12904; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 05:03:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hohmuth@olymp.sax.de) Received: (from hohmuth@localhost) by olymp.sax.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA11873; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 04:35:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hohmuth) From: Michael Hohmuth To: hm@hcs.de Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: beta 0.70 (ii) References: <000001be3293$c9556230$53cb08d4@hwart.teuto.de> <19981230120137.C29720@hcswork.hcs.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 31 Dec 1998 04:35:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: Hellmuth Michaelis's message of "Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:01:38 +0100" Message-ID: <87af05c7ap.fsf@olymp.sax.de> Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hellmuth Michaelis writes: > No, not quite. What you see is the "persistent deactivation" timeout > happening, which normally should not appear. [...] I always get this message a few seconds after I kill `idsnd': i4b-L1-timer4_expired: state = F3 Deactivated i4b-L2-i4b_mph_status_ind: unit 0, persistent deactivation! i4b-L3-i4b_mdl_status_ind: STI_PDEACT: unit 0 TEI = 0 = 0x00 i4b-L1-timer4_expired: state = F3 Deactivated Dec 31 04:11:37 olymp /kernel: i4b: unit 0, assigned TEI = 109 = 0x6d Are you sure this is an error? Maybe this is also the scenario the original poster observes? Michael -- hohmuth@innocent.com, hohmuth@sax.de http://www.sax.de/~hohmuth/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Dec 31 03:17:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA18455 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 03:17:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA18450 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 03:17:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from martin@rumolt.teuto.de) Received: from rumolt.teuto.de (root@rumolt.teuto.de [212.8.203.81]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA05167; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:17:25 +0100 Received: (from martin@localhost) by rumolt.teuto.de (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA02753; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:11:44 +0100 (MET) From: Martin Husemann Message-Id: <199812311111.MAA02753@rumolt.teuto.de> Subject: Re: beta 0.70 (ii) To: hohmuth@innocent.com (Michael Hohmuth) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:11:44 +0100 (MET) Cc: hm@hcs.de, freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <87af05c7ap.fsf@olymp.sax.de> from "Michael Hohmuth" at Dec 31, 98 04:35:42 am Organization: Crusaders Catering Services Inc. ;-) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I always get this message a few seconds after I kill `idsnd': You shouldn't kill isdnd. Why are you doing this? To disallow calls, simply ifconfig down the interface, to enable them again ifconfig up it again. (I even have a daemon doing this, on request of Win32 clients via network. It keeps an interface ifconfig'd up as long as at least one clients requests this. The client is a very tiny program that issues a request, launches another process (browser etc.) and waits for that process to die. Then it revokes its request and the daemon drops the interface down.) > Are you sure this is an error? No, its normal. After killing isdnd, the ISDN subsystem is not working any more, so a persistent deactivation is OK. It becomes live again when you restart isdnd. The "State = F3 Deactivated" is OK even during normal operation, but if you see "persistent deactivation" while your ISDN subsystem is at work something is realy wrong. Martin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Dec 31 04:57:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA27539 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 04:57:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from scottb.demon.co.uk (scottb.demon.co.uk [158.152.42.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA27534 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 04:57:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barry@scottb.demon.co.uk) Received: from barrynt (barrynt.private [172.16.1.6]) by scottb.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA02726 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:56:17 GMT (envelope-from barry@scottb.demon.co.uk) From: "Barry Scott" To: Subject: Rates calculations and the U.K. Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:52:26 -0000 Message-ID: <000001be34bc$6aecea80$060110ac@barrynt.private> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01BE34BC.6AEE7120" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 00000000B86AD42CC33FD011BD0B0000C07229D384EE2100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BE34BC.6AEE7120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The rates mechanism does not work for the U.K. with its tenth second billing. I am interested in working on this problem. Is anyone else working on rates that I might collaborate with. As an OO designer I'd naturally solve the rates problem with objects. Is there any reason why isdnd is not a C++ program using OO design? 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Is > there > any reason why isdnd is not a C++ program using OO design? Maybe some people do not like C--. But this is not the place for language discusssions. I would not blow up isdnd with rates calculation. I would make something similar to OpenStep's bundles (in other worlds: plugins) for each country. The simplest way of (emulating) this is a simple system() call. In your preference file you would specify that "UK.isdnbilling" will be executed on each call. The program UK.isdnbilling will get the numbers and times as arguments and does the rest. In Germany, we would have a "FRG.isdnbilling" that in turn calls the right call-by-call provider-isdnbilling program. If you like, you can make all ".isdnbilling-Bundles" directories. FRG.isdnbilling would look like this: FRG.isdnbilling/ FRG.isdnbilling/FRG.isdnbilling* FRG.isdnbilling/Resources/ FRG.isdnbilling/Resources/Mobilcom.isdnbilling/ FRG.isdnbilling/Resources/Mobilcom.isdnbilling* FRG.isdnbilling/Resources/Mobilcom.isdnbilling/Resources/ FRG.isdnbilling/Resources/Mobilcom.isdnbilling/Resources/config.plist FRG.isdnbilling/Resources/Acor.isdnbilling/ FRG.isdnbilling/Resources/Acor.isdnbilling* FRG.isdnbilling/Resources/Acor.isdnbilling/Resources/ FRG.isdnbilling/Resources/Acor.isdnbilling/Resources/config.plist See http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosxserver/System/Library/Frameworks/Foundation.framework/Versions/C/Resources/English.lproj/Documentation/Reference/ObjC_classic/frameset.html for more on real bundles. Or for PDF: http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosxserver/System/Library/Frameworks/Foundation.framework/Versions/C/Resources/English.lproj/Documentation/Reference/ObjC_classic/FoundationReference.pdf And remember: Nearly 95% of this is already in GnuStep and works on any Unix box :-) --- _ _ _(_)(_)_ David Wetzel, Turbocat's Development, (_) __ (_) Buchhorster Strasse, D-16567 Muehlenbeck/Berlin, FRG, _/ \_ Fax +49 33056 82835 NeXTmail dave@turbocat.de (______) http://www.turbocat.de/ DEVELOPMENT * CONSULTING * ADMINISTRATION WATCH OUT FOR TURBOFAX for OPENSTEP! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Dec 31 08:46:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA18588 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:46:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA18583 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:46:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from martin@rumolt.teuto.de) Received: from rumolt.teuto.de (root@rumolt.teuto.de [212.8.203.81]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA13370; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:46:13 +0100 Received: (from martin@localhost) by rumolt.teuto.de (8.8.8/8.8.7) id RAA00981; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:43:01 +0100 (MET) From: Martin Husemann Message-Id: <199812311643.RAA00981@rumolt.teuto.de> Subject: Re: Rates calculations and the U.K. To: dave@turbocat.de (David Wetzel) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:42:59 +0100 (MET) Cc: barry@scottb.demon.co.uk, freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199812311338.OAA00278@cat.turbocat.de> from "David Wetzel" at Dec 31, 98 02:38:51 pm Organization: Crusaders Catering Services Inc. ;-) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The simplest way of (emulating) this is a simple system() call. I would not slow down it that much (remember those tiny ISDN routers with 4MB RAM where a process startup takes several seconds and "system" even means two process startups in general?) - just make it table driven and as general as necessary. Selection of the proper table is a subtle subject then, but solvable. Martin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Dec 31 09:02:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA20240 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:02:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ppp.net (mail.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA20235 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:02:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ernie!bert.kts.org!hm@ppp.net) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc2.ppp.net [194.64.12.42]) by mail.ppp.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA04736; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:02:02 +0100 Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0zvlU1-002ZjZC; Thu, 31 Dec 98 18:02 MET Received: from bert.kts.org([194.55.156.2]) (3124 bytes) by ernie.kts.org via sendmail with P:smtp/R:smart_host/T:uux (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:55:51 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2.0.103 1998-Oct-9 #3 built 1998-Dec-9) Received: from localhost (2675 bytes) by bert.kts.org via sendmail with P:stdio/R:smart_host/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:55:57 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2.0.103 1998-Oct-9 #4 built 1998-Dec-26) Message-Id: From: hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: Rates calculations and the U.K. In-Reply-To: <000001be34bc$6aecea80$060110ac@barrynt.private> from Barry Scott at "Dec 31, 1998 12:52:26 pm" To: barry@scottb.demon.co.uk (Barry Scott) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:55:57 +0100 (CET) Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Kitchen Table Systems Reply-To: hm@kts.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Barry Scott wrote: > The rates mechanism does not work for the U.K. with its tenth second > billing. I know. You might want to contact Andrew Gordon who tells me for a loooong time now that the rates mechanism should be expanded to include time based billing as in the UK. Its very difficult to implement for me for obvious reasons, so perhaps you can work together towards a solution for this. > As an OO designer I'd naturally solve the rates problem with objects. Is > there any reason why isdnd is not a C++ program using OO design? 1) the whole billing mechanism is partly implemented in the kernel and partly in isdnd: it is unlikely that C++ will ever be used in the kernel 2) as long as noone takes over the maintenance of isdn4bsd who is fluent in all of its aspects and is able and willing to start maintaining it with C++ code in it, there will be no C++ code in isdnd or any other i4b utility, simply because i don't like it. Splitting maintenance of i.e. isdnd to a different person will not work, because the kernel and the userland utilities are _very_ tightly coupled and this will likely lead to severe problems. Martin Husemann from time to time tries to inject strange macros from his life in a parallel OO-universe into isdnd :-)) , but that made it so hard (for me!) to understand the code after a month again and maintain it, that i rejected and removed it because it costs too much of my time. Don't misunderstand me please, i don't say C++ and OOD is bad, its just that i want to make maintaining and enhancing isdnd for me as easy and quickly as possible. Anyway, i'll be happy to accept a time based billing enhancement to i4b written in plain good old non-macrofied maintainable C using OO design ;-) Guten Rutsch! (this is untranslatable german wishing everyone a nice party into newyear :-) ! ). hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe We all live in a yellow subroutine, yellow subroutine, yellow subroutine ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Dec 31 10:04:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27458 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:04:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from harvey.aball.de (harvey.aball.de [194.77.82.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA27453 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:04:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alice.turbocat.de!dave@harvey.aball.de) Received: by harvey.aball.de (Smail3.1.28.1 #11) id m0zvmSS-000J0JC; Thu, 31 Dec 98 19:04 MET Received: from cat.turbocat.de (cat.turbocat.de [194.77.82.49]) by alice.turbocat.de (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19054; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:42:49 +0100 (CET) Received: (from dave@localhost) by cat.turbocat.de (8.8.5/8.7.3) id SAA01662; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:42:47 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199812311742.SAA01662@cat.turbocat.de> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.2mach v148) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.148) From: David Wetzel Date: Thu, 31 Dec 98 18:42:45 +0100 To: Martin Husemann Subject: Re: Rates calculations and the U.K. cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199812311643.RAA00981@rumolt.teuto.de> Organisation: Turbocat's Development http://www.turbocat.de Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: Martin Husemann > I would not slow down it that much (remember those tiny ISDN routers > with 4MB RAM where a process startup takes several seconds and "system" > even means two process startups in general?) - just make it table driven > and as general as necessary. Selection of the proper table is a subtle > subject then, but solvable. Sure? How about Call-By-Call and new prices for day X and Y? I like small packages better than one huge and not overviewable one. --- _ _ _(_)(_)_ David Wetzel, Turbocat's Development, (_) __ (_) Buchhorster Strasse, D-16567 Muehlenbeck/Berlin, FRG, _/ \_ Fax +49 33056 82835 NeXTmail dave@turbocat.de (______) http://www.turbocat.de/ DEVELOPMENT * CONSULTING * ADMINISTRATION WATCH OUT FOR TURBOFAX for OPENSTEP! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Dec 31 10:10:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA28185 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:10:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from scottb.demon.co.uk (scottb.demon.co.uk [158.152.42.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA28178 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:10:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barry@scottb.demon.co.uk) Received: from barrynt (barrynt.private [172.16.1.6]) by scottb.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA00341; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:09:44 GMT (envelope-from barry@scottb.demon.co.uk) From: "Barry Scott" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Rates calculations and the U.K. Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:05:52 -0000 Message-ID: <000601be34e8$34728510$060110ac@barrynt.private> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hellmuth, It is as I guessed. There are too few OO and C++ engineers to allow code like i4b to use C++, I am well aware of the maintenance issue. I'll contact Andrew Gordon. BArry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Dec 31 10:38:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01769 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:38:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from scottb.demon.co.uk (scottb.demon.co.uk [158.152.42.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01758 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:38:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barry@scottb.demon.co.uk) Received: from barrynt (barrynt.private [172.16.1.6]) by scottb.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA00776; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:37:10 GMT (envelope-from barry@scottb.demon.co.uk) From: "Barry Scott" To: "David Wetzel" , "Martin Husemann" Cc: Subject: RE: Rates calculations and the U.K. Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:33:18 -0000 Message-ID: <000701be34ec$096fa330$060110ac@barrynt.private> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <199812311742.SAA01662@cat.turbocat.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The amount of data involved is small. As Martin says design of the data structures and algorithms around them is the tricky (fun) part. The problem, as I see it, is to change isdnd so that it knows the most cost effective point to drop an idle call. That means changing how isdnd views billing data to deal with unit based and time based billing. I would use an external program to turn the accounting data written by isdnd into an estimated bill. That program would be TELCO specific. BArry > > From: Martin Husemann > > > I would not slow down it that much (remember those tiny ISDN routers > > with 4MB RAM where a process startup takes several seconds and "system" > > even means two process startups in general?) - just make it table driven > > and as general as necessary. Selection of the proper table is a subtle > > subject then, but solvable. > > Sure? > > How about Call-By-Call and new prices for day X and Y? I like > small packages > better than one huge and not overviewable one. > > --- > _ _ > _(_)(_)_ David Wetzel, Turbocat's Development, > (_) __ (_) Buchhorster Strasse, D-16567 Muehlenbeck/Berlin, FRG, > _/ \_ Fax +49 33056 82835 NeXTmail dave@turbocat.de > (______) http://www.turbocat.de/ > DEVELOPMENT * CONSULTING * ADMINISTRATION > WATCH OUT FOR TURBOFAX for OPENSTEP! > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Dec 31 11:01:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04708 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:01:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from scottb.demon.co.uk (scottb.demon.co.uk [158.152.42.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04700 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:00:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barry@scottb.demon.co.uk) Received: from barrynt (barrynt.private [172.16.1.6]) by scottb.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA04784 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:59:48 GMT (envelope-from barry@scottb.demon.co.uk) From: "Barry Scott" To: Subject: netstat -Iisp0 -w 1 -b -- reports doubled input bytes Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:55:57 -0000 Message-ID: <000801be34ef$33189630$060110ac@barrynt.private> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01BE34EF.33189630" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 00000000B86AD42CC33FD011BD0B0000C07229D344F22100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BE34EF.33189630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just noticed that netstat is reporting 15610 bytes per second rather the 7805 that I'd expect. Anyone else seen this problem? 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