From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 24 04:24:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA03722 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 04:24:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from heron.doc.ic.ac.uk (W7CiV77tdtsAPDPfyhDCSarf2oH4uVqk@heron.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.46.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA03703; Sun, 24 May 1998 04:24:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk) Received: from oak63.doc.ic.ac.uk [146.169.33.63] ([fZPhw0JoUbxK9T1e0ZLluu3B3uEacyLz]) by heron.doc.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0ydYsN-0002f2-00; Sun, 24 May 1998 12:23:40 +0100 Received: from njs3 by oak63.doc.ic.ac.uk with local (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0ydYsN-00032b-00; Sun, 24 May 1998 12:23:39 +0100 From: njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Niall Smart) Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 12:23:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: Terry Lambert "Re: TIME_WAIT/FIN_WAIT_2..." (May 23, 8:38pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Terry Lambert , njs3@doc.ic.ac.uk (Niall Smart) Subject: Re: TIME_WAIT/FIN_WAIT_2... Cc: jas@flyingfox.com, mark@vmunix.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On May 23, 8:38pm, Terry Lambert wrote: } Subject: Re: TIME_WAIT/FIN_WAIT_2... > > Can I suggest that if you receive a response after step C, which you call > > the CLOSE-WAIT response, then the TCP stack should remain in FIN-WAIT-2 > > with an infinite timeout, because the response indicates that the remote > > TCP stack not broken and moreover that the remote client is not finished > > sending yet. (i.e. the 11 minute timeout you mention later would not > > be used) > > You can't do this. You must constantly ask the client "Are you done > yet? Are you done yet?" because you have no other method of > distinguishing a broken client from a non-broken client. > > I understand why you would want to suggest this: it narrows the > non-compliance window considerably. Actually, I just hadn't thought about it enough, but I prefer your reason, lets stick with it. ;) > > I think that this is a bug Microsoft would be eager to fix, after all, > > if it affects FreeBSD web servers it also affects NT web servers, as > > well as NT file servers, Exchange servers etc etc. > > > I think you are wrong. Microsoft implements the "fix" I have stated, > and is not affected by the problem. Ah, I didn't realise they were using this "fix". > The "problem" would be that Microsoft clients cause UNIX servers > to behave badly, but NT servers are unaffected. > I would think that this would be a problem Microsoft would be eager > to exacerbate in order to make UNIX servers look less viable than > NT servers. Do you really think they are that slimy? I know they pretend they use hungarian notation to encourage other companies to follow that convention resulting in a 10% drop in their programmer productivity, but thats just X-files stuff. ;) Niall. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 24 09:41:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA09782 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 09:41:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from electric.tbe.net (electric.tbe.net [207.99.115.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA09777 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 09:41:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary@tbe.net) Received: (qmail 9144 invoked from network); 24 May 1998 16:42:25 -0000 Received: from electric.tbe.net (207.99.115.10) by electric.tbe.net with SMTP; 24 May 1998 16:42:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 12:42:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Named Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Just a quick question on name service... When I do an nslookup of an address outside of our C-classes, I get an error message *** power.tbe.net can't find 207.99.0.1: Server failed However, If I look up one of our addresses, it comes up ok. Now this happens only for trying to reverse an address, not if we try to look it up by name. Any ideas? Thanks! ______________________________________________________________ -Gary Margiotta Voice: (973) 835-9696 TBE Internet Services Fax: (973) 835-2133 http://www.tbe.net E-Mail: gary@tbe.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 24 11:15:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA20190 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 11:15:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA20183 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 11:15:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark.segal@utoronto.ca) Received: from elmo ([142.154.18.168]) by bureau6.utcc.utoronto.ca with SMTP id <178324(8)>; Sun, 24 May 1998 14:15:16 -0400 From: "Mark Segal" To: "Gary D. Margiotta" , "FreeBSD ISP List" Subject: Re: Named Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 14:14:36 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd873f$cf5cd960$0201010a@elmo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Your problem arrises for two possibel reasons. Firstly, You are not the controller of that C class.. ie when i nslookup'ed your class it was pinting to nac.net... Secondly, There are no pointer records available for your domain, this could be because you haven't created them, or more likely.. rthe first reason, that you don't have dns control over your class C's. Most likely what you have to do is call your upstream provider and ask to be able to create dns records for you ip's Mark >Just a quick question on name service... > >When I do an nslookup of an address outside of our C-classes, I get an >error message > >*** power.tbe.net can't find 207.99.0.1: Server failed > >However, If I look up one of our addresses, it comes up ok. Now this >happens only for trying to reverse an address, not if we try to look it up >by name. Any ideas? Thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 00:25:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA12384 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 00:25:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cominter.comliet.lt ([193.219.244.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA12356 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 00:25:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from art@comliet.lt) Received: from comliet.lt (localhost.comliet.lt [127.0.0.1]) by cominter.comliet.lt (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA18744 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 09:29:21 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from art@comliet.lt) Message-ID: <35690FC0.1BA40477@comliet.lt> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 06:29:20 +0000 From: art X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: V.35 cards question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all! I need to add a V.35 interface to my freebsd 2.2.5 box. Please, culd someone tell me about a V.35 capable card, drivers, etc. ? Arturas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 03:21:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA17052 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 03:21:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gershwin.careergateway.com ([203.127.84.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA17047 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 03:21:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Douglas@alcamedia.com) Received: by gershwin.careergateway.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 25 May 1998 18:11:48 +0800 Message-ID: From: Douglas Ng To: "'isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Tunnel Software Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 18:11:35 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_01BD87C5.85DAC570" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BD87C5.85DAC570 Content-Type: text/plain Is there a port for tunneling software (freeware or commercial package) that is available for the FreeBSD? Any suggestions and pointers would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Douglas Stevenson Ng W3Labs, The Active Idea Company ------ =_NextPart_001_01BD87C5.85DAC570 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tunnel Software

Is there a port for tunneling software = (freeware or commercial package) that is available for the = FreeBSD?  Any suggestions and pointers would be appreciated. =

Thanks in advance,
Douglas Stevenson Ng
W3Labs, The Active Idea = Company

------ =_NextPart_001_01BD87C5.85DAC570-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 03:39:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA20294 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 03:39:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from elit.elit.chernigov.ua (elit.elit.chernigov.ua [193.125.84.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA20272 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 03:39:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from al@cn.ua) Received: from cn.ua (al@dragon.cinet.cn.ua [193.125.84.115]) by elit.elit.chernigov.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29820 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 13:38:52 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <35694A3C.E769E582@cn.ua> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 13:38:52 +0300 From: Alexey Lukin Organization: JSC CINET X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: V.35 cards question References: <6kbd1h$psc@elit.elit.chernigov.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org art wrote: > > Hi all! > > I need to add a V.35 interface to my freebsd 2.2.5 box. Please, culd > > someone tell me about a V.35 capable card, drivers, etc. ? > > Arturas There's good enough cards from Cronyx (www.cronyx.ru), "Cronyx Sigma 22" - 2xV35 low speed (2x128K) "Cronyx Tau" - 2xV35 high speed (2x4M) We use both cards without problems on FreeBSD 2.2.5-R Bye To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 03:59:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA23527 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 03:59:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gershwin.careergateway.com ([203.127.84.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA23522 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 03:59:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Douglas@alcamedia.com) Received: by gershwin.careergateway.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 25 May 1998 18:49:31 +0800 Message-ID: From: Douglas Ng To: "'isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Firewall software Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 18:49:24 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---- =_NextPart_001_01BD87CA.CADBFC70" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_001_01BD87CA.CADBFC70 Content-Type: text/plain Hi all Does anyone have any recommendation for a firewall software to use on the FreeBSD box? I have been referred to Gauntlett and Checkpoint Firewall-1. How do they compare? Or would they be an overkill and instead I should use simply ipfw that comes with freeBSD? Thanks in advance. Douglas Stevenson Ng W3Labs, The Active Idea Company ------ =_NextPart_001_01BD87CA.CADBFC70 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Firewall software

Hi all

Does anyone have any recommendation = for a firewall software to use on the FreeBSD box?
I have been referred to Gauntlett and Checkpoint Firewall-1.  How = do they compare?  Or would they be an overkill and instead I = should use simply ipfw that comes with freeBSD?

Thanks in advance.

Douglas Stevenson Ng
W3Labs, The Active Idea = Company

------ =_NextPart_001_01BD87CA.CADBFC70-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 04:06:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA25703 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 04:06:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA25667 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 04:05:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10397 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 12:05:53 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <35695091.FE0ACF50@tdx.co.uk> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 12:05:53 +0100 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SMTP Relay probing - Should I follow up - advice? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All, This isn't strictly FreeBSD relates, but it is very ISP related... I've just checked through my morning security logs, and suprise, suprise our entire address space was scanned again lastnight for SMTP relays... Theres loads of firewall logs for SMTP connects to machines we don't allow SMTP to, and on the machines we do allow SMTP to - in the logs are loads of sendmail catches for 'Relaying Unavailable' (the message we send to people trying to relay)... My question is - I have the IP address these came from, they are a Spamming Company by the look of it, and to be honest I'm sick of this sort of thing... Is it worth me mailing the people? - Or should I just be grateful we weren't used as a relay and let them be? I'm just annoyed a company that obviously has set out to specialise in spam/electronic mailing lists doesn't even use it's own servers to send the damned stuff out... Annoyed... Karl Pielorz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 04:46:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA02297 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 04:46:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cominter.comliet.lt ([193.219.244.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA02284 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 04:46:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from art@comliet.lt) Received: from comliet.lt (localhost.comliet.lt [127.0.0.1]) by cominter.comliet.lt (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA20481 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 13:50:24 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from art@comliet.lt) Message-ID: <35694CF0.6B130D11@comliet.lt> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 10:50:24 +0000 From: art X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: V.35 cards question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all! I need to add a V.35 interface to my freebsd 2.2.5 box. Please, culd someone tell me about a V.35 capable card, drivers, etc. ? Arturas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 06:47:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA19770 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 06:47:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhost.xciv.org (exim@vantage.xciv.org [193.128.6.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA19764 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 06:47:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@xciv.org) Received: from vantage.xciv.org [193.128.6.138] (paul) by mailhost.xciv.org with esmtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0ydxbA-0004X2-00; Mon, 25 May 1998 14:47:32 +0100 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMTP Relay probing - Should I follow up - advice? Organization: XCIV, London UK Reply-To: paul@xciv.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 25 May 1998 12:05:53 BST." <35695091.FE0ACF50@tdx.co.uk> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 14:47:30 +0100 From: Paul Civati Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Karl Pielorz wrote: > My question is - I have the IP address these came from, they are a Spamming > Company by the look of it, and to be honest I'm sick of this sort of > thing... Me and you both. > Is it worth me mailing the people? - Or should I just be grateful we weren't > used as a relay and let them be? If they are known spammers and that is their business then mailing them will be a waste of time I would think. On the other hand, it depends on who their upstream provider is, complaining to their upstream might do some good if they have a policy against their customers abusing the 'net in this way. Seee if their upstream has an AUP, etc. > I'm just annoyed a company that obviously has set out to specialise in > spam/electronic mailing lists doesn't even use it's own servers to send the > damned stuff out... Well, yes, otherwise their IP blocks would soon be well known and people would just block them, get them put on MAPS RBL, etc. Which would put them out of business. -Paul- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 08:11:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02894 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 08:11:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02882; Mon, 25 May 1998 08:11:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199805251511.IAA02882@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: SMTP Relay probing - Should I follow up - advice? In-Reply-To: <35695091.FE0ACF50@tdx.co.uk> from Karl Pielorz at "May 25, 98 12:05:53 pm" To: kpielorz@tdx.co.uk (Karl Pielorz) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 08:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Karl Pielorz wrote: > Hi All, > > This isn't strictly FreeBSD relates, but it is very ISP related... > > I've just checked through my morning security logs, and suprise, suprise our > entire address space was scanned again lastnight for SMTP relays... Theres > loads of firewall logs for SMTP connects to machines we don't allow SMTP to, > and on the machines we do allow SMTP to - in the logs are loads of sendmail > catches for 'Relaying Unavailable' (the message we send to people trying to > relay)... > > My question is - I have the IP address these came from, they are a Spamming > Company by the look of it, and to be honest I'm sick of this sort of > thing... > > Is it worth me mailing the people? - Or should I just be grateful we weren't > used as a relay and let them be? > > I'm just annoyed a company that obviously has set out to specialise in > spam/electronic mailing lists doesn't even use it's own servers to send the > damned stuff out... why dont you tell su where the scans came from we can all block connects from that range of ip addresses, if it proves to be a spammers dedicated ip address range jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 08:51:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09336 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 08:51:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09273 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 08:51:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA11626; Mon, 25 May 1998 11:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 11:50:31 -0400 (EDT) From: jack To: Karl Pielorz cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMTP Relay probing - Should I follow up - advice? In-Reply-To: <35695091.FE0ACF50@tdx.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 25 May 1998, Karl Pielorz wrote: > I've just checked through my morning security logs, and suprise, suprise our > entire address space was scanned again lastnight for SMTP relays... Theres > loads of firewall logs for SMTP connects to machines we don't allow SMTP to, > and on the machines we do allow SMTP to - in the logs are loads of sendmail > catches for 'Relaying Unavailable' (the message we send to people trying to > relay)... > > My question is - I have the IP address these came from, they are a Spamming > Company by the look of it, and to be honest I'm sick of this sort of > thing... > > Is it worth me mailing the people? Mail probably would probably be ignored if they're a spam factory. A small tactical nuclear weapon might be a nice touch though. :) > - Or should I just be grateful we weren't > used as a relay and let them be? With as much evidence as you have I wouldn't ignore it. Check with a lawyer and/or the authorities about what recourse you may have against them. > I'm just annoyed a company that obviously has set out to specialise in > spam/electronic mailing lists doesn't even use it's own servers to send the > damned stuff out... Using their own servers only works a few times. Once they end up everyone's spam filters they're out of business with their own addresses and hijacking other peoples resources is the only way they can spew their garbage. > Annoyed... I'm sure. As a potential victim of their spam let me say thank you to you for not acting as a relay for them. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null Mail from netcom.com blocked until they stop relaying SPAM -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 10:24:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25333 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 10:24:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25258 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 10:24:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@caladan.tdx.co.uk) Received: from localhost (kpielorz@localhost) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA06824; Mon, 25 May 1998 18:23:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kpielorz@caladan.tdx.co.uk) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 18:23:24 +0100 (BST) From: Karl Pielorz To: jack cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMTP Relay probing - Should I follow up - advice? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Annoyed... > > I'm sure. As a potential victim of their spam let me say thank > you to you for not acting as a relay for them. It was one of the _first_ things I setup... ;-) In answer to all who wanted to know, the company claim to be 'The Electric Mail Company', aka 'electric.net'. The IP they scanned from was 199.175.137.131. They own (i.e. have registered from ARIN the entire class 'c' of 199.175.137. There connected via MCI net, and - ending in a hole bunch of routers without any reverse DNS entries (how quaint)... The 'relay' at their end appears to be 199.175.137.131 - though I'd bet it probably changes on a daily basis... Someone's suggested I write to MCI, and kindly provided links to their policy... I will be writing, on the premise doing something is better than nothing... Thanks to everyone who offered help & suggestions - I don't want this thread to go on too long (as I'm sure theres better places to discuss this), Regards, Karl Pielorz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 10:29:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA26298 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 10:29:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Rigel.orionsys.com (rigel.orionsys.com [205.148.224.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA26292 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 10:29:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbabler@Rigel.orionsys.com) Received: from localhost (dbabler@localhost) by Rigel.orionsys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA17893; Mon, 25 May 1998 10:28:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbabler@Rigel.orionsys.com) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 10:28:45 -0700 (PDT) From: David Babler To: Karl Pielorz cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMTP Relay probing - Should I follow up - advice? In-Reply-To: <35695091.FE0ACF50@tdx.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 25 May 1998, Karl Pielorz wrote: > Hi All, > > This isn't strictly FreeBSD relates, but it is very ISP related... > > I've just checked through my morning security logs, and suprise, suprise our > entire address space was scanned again lastnight for SMTP relays... Theres > loads of firewall logs for SMTP connects to machines we don't allow SMTP to, > and on the machines we do allow SMTP to - in the logs are loads of sendmail > catches for 'Relaying Unavailable' (the message we send to people trying to > relay)... > > My question is - I have the IP address these came from, they are a Spamming > Company by the look of it, and to be honest I'm sick of this sort of > thing... What is the domain and what is their IP? If it was me, I'd block all contacts from their IP at the connection stage if they were doing this on purpose. Complaining to their upstream MIGHT do something, but don't hold your breath. A few relaying denied entries are expected, since many of us (people who have to deal daily with spam) run relay-checking contacts on hosts to determine if the mail host in question relays. But this sounds like a collection run for open relays. If the domain doing the scanning is in the "business" of selling spamware and/or mailing lists, they have no conscience, ethics or morals to begin with - if this is a spammer using a domain to scan for open relays, nail his butt. > I'm just annoyed a company that obviously has set out to specialise in > spam/electronic mailing lists doesn't even use it's own servers to send the > damned stuff out... Of *course* they don't use their own servers... why PAY for a service you can steal? Or be blocked at the source. I really wish somebody would sue the scumbags that produce spam-spewer software for theft of services and conspiracy to defraud. Probes like this, if they come from a known bulk-mailer producer, tend to confirm the suspicion that this crap comes with some sort of list of exploitable open relays and so is promoting theft. -Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 12:08:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16382 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 12:08:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Radford.i-Plus.net (root@NS.i-Plus.net [208.24.67.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16368 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 12:07:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rewt@i-Plus.net) Received: from Radford.i-Plus.net (rewt@Radford.i-Plus.net [208.24.67.15]) by Radford.i-Plus.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA13225; Mon, 25 May 1998 15:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 15:07:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Troy Settle To: art cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: V.35 cards question In-Reply-To: <35694CF0.6B130D11@comliet.lt> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 25 May 1998, art wrote: > Hi all! > > I need to add a V.35 interface to my freebsd 2.2.5 box. Please, culd > > someone tell me about a V.35 capable card, drivers, etc. ? > > Arturas > Try http://www.etinc.com They've got a bunch of nifty looking toys :) -- Troy Settle Network Administrator, iPlus Internet Services http://www.i-Plus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 12:17:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA17494 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 12:17:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Radford.i-Plus.net (root@NS.i-Plus.net [208.24.67.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17482 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 12:17:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rewt@i-Plus.net) Received: from Radford.i-Plus.net (rewt@Radford.i-Plus.net [208.24.67.15]) by Radford.i-Plus.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA13443; Mon, 25 May 1998 15:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 15:17:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Troy Settle To: Paul Civati cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMTP Relay probing - Should I follow up - advice? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 25 May 1998, Paul Civati wrote: > Karl Pielorz wrote: > > I'm just annoyed a company that obviously has set out to specialise in > > spam/electronic mailing lists doesn't even use it's own servers to send the > > damned stuff out... > > Well, yes, otherwise their IP blocks would soon be well known and people > would just block them, get them put on MAPS RBL, etc. Which would put > them out of business. Just imagine what would happen if everyone who runs a mail server were to deny relaying. Put them spammer people out of business real quick :) -- Troy Settle Network Administrator, iPlus Internet Services http://www.i-Plus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 12:35:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA20318 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 12:35:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20311 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 12:35:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA29759; Mon, 25 May 1998 12:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd029753; Mon May 25 19:30:32 1998 Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 12:30:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Douglas Ng cc: "'isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: Tunnel Software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org there are so many options it's hard to remember everything. starting with ssh and SKIP and PPTP and going through to do-it-yourself programs using /dev/tun. On Mon, 25 May 1998, Douglas Ng wrote: > Is there a port for tunneling software (freeware or commercial package) > that is available for the FreeBSD? Any suggestions and pointers would > be appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > Douglas Stevenson Ng > W3Labs, The Active Idea Company > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 12:58:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23681 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 12:58:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mooseriver.com (dynamic31.pm08.sf3d.best.com [209.24.235.223]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23674 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 12:58:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id MAA12365; Mon, 25 May 1998 12:58:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980525125823.A12350@mooseriver.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 12:58:23 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: Troy Settle , Paul Civati Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMTP Relay probing - Should I follow up - advice? Reply-To: jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Troy Settle on Mon, May 25, 1998 at 03:17:34PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, May 25, 1998 at 03:17:34PM -0400, Troy Settle wrote: > On Mon, 25 May 1998, Paul Civati wrote: > > Karl Pielorz wrote: > > > I'm just annoyed a company that obviously has set out to specialise in > > > spam/electronic mailing lists doesn't even use it's own servers to send the > > > damned stuff out... > > > > Well, yes, otherwise their IP blocks would soon be well known and people > > would just block them, get them put on MAPS RBL, etc. Which would put > > them out of business. > > Just imagine what would happen if everyone who runs a mail server were to > deny relaying. Put them spammer people out of business real quick :) > Relaying is only part of the problem. Cheap and/or disposable email accounts contribute to alot of our problems as do irresponsible ISP. A good number of these spammers are buying access from big spam providers who, in turn, buy access from large access providers, like alter.net, who just don't care as long as the check doesn't bounce. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.7 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 14:30:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08546 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 14:30:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roble.com (roble.com [207.5.40.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08541 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 14:30:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sendmail@roble.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by roble.com (Roble) with SMTP id OAA05640; Mon, 25 May 1998 14:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 14:30:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger Marquis To: Karl Pielorz cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMTP Relay probing - Should I follow up - advice? In-Reply-To: <199805251511.IAA02882@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 25 May 1998, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > why dont you tell su where the scans came from > we can all block connects from that range of ip addresses, > if it proves to be a spammers dedicated ip address range We see these from time to time too. The most you can do without risk of over-reacting is follow-up with a note to the upstream provider. Typically they'll have an "abuse" account i.e., abuse@mci.net specifically for this. If that doesn't stop the probing then it's only due diligence to add them to your filters, either within sendmail 8.85+ or at the router (you DO have both don't you?). Here are a few worthy of note: 141.63.64.94 phf hacker, scanner 199.203.214 Elron Technologies (NETBLK-ELRON-C-BLK1) 202.217.200 INTELLIGENT TELECOM INC, ad.jp 204.157.255 Harris Marketing (NETBLK-SAVOYNET-BLK-204-157), AGIS/Net99 205.231.112 UUNET Technologies, Inc. (NETBLK-UUNETCBLK228) 205.240.148 Phoenix Data Systems (NETBLK-SPRINT-CDF097) 206.50.195 DMPL Infomart - Dallas (NETBLK-ONRAMP-DMPL) ONRAMP-DMPL 207.14.174.51 Globalkey, Inc. (NETBLK-SPRINT-CF0EAF) 208.199.92.16 Publicity Providers, Inc. (NETBLK-UU-208-199-92) Roger Marquis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 16:04:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA27590 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 16:04:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from distance.net (fike@distance.net [209.142.224.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA27585 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 16:04:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fike@distance.net) Received: from localhost (fike@localhost) by distance.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA00497; Mon, 25 May 1998 19:03:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fike@distance.net) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 19:03:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Fike Force To: jivko@ijs.com cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Geographical location of IP addresses. In-Reply-To: <199805071508.PAA01016@s2.ijs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jivko, The easiest way to find out where people are coming from is to whois -a and the first 3 octects of the ip address, this will show you who owns the blocks. Another suggestion is to traceroute to the hackers or carders ip address. Sometimes his uplinks will have geo information at each router. RPD On Thu, 7 May 1998 jivko@ijs.com wrote: > > Hi there, > > Sorry for this not FreeBSD related question but since it is ISP related one > I figured you might be able to help us out. > > Some customers of ours have been having problems with hackers placing > orders with stolen credit cards from particular geographical locations and > they have asked us to help them limit the number of those orders somehow. > Any idea of how this could be done? > > I was thinking that perhaps one possible solution would be to have a list > of network addresses physically located in those areas of the world and > either completely remove ability to place orders for users from those areas > or at least not charge the credit cards on-line for such users until the > orders have been confirmed somehow. So far, however, I have not been able > to find information about how different network addresses are distributed > in the world. Any idea where I could find such information? > > Thanks > Jivko > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 16:50:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05381 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 16:50:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roble.com (roble.com [207.5.40.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05367 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 16:50:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sendmail@roble.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by roble.com (Roble) with SMTP id QAA06227 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 16:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 16:50:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger Marquis To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Geographical location of IP addresses. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 25 May 1998, Fike Force wrote: > Another suggestion is to traceroute to the hackers or carders > ip address. Sometimes his uplinks will have geo information at each > router. Traceroute is good for identifying upstream providers but `whois` has been getting progressively less useful since Network Solutions obtained the Internic. Their contract is supposed to expire this year but much of the damage is irreversible i.e., there are a large and growing number of whois servers, making the jobs of finding whois records progressively more difficult. Here's a script that might help finding netblocks and other whois records. Roger Marquis Roble Systems Consulting http://www.roble.com/consulting -------------------------------------------------------------------- #!/bin/sh # whoiss, a wrapper for BSD-Unix whois # returns registration information for foreign domains and netblocks # available at ftp://ftp.roble.com/unix/whoiss # # to_do: # * add error handling code for non-arin netblocks (apnic & ripe) # * find a server for .au if [ -x /usr/local/bin/less ]; then MORE=${MORE:-/usr/local/bin/less} else MORE=${MORE:-more} fi ## qualify the input if [ "$1" = "" ]; then echo "USAGE: `basename $0` [domainname|subnet|handle]" exit 1 else DOMAIN="`echo $1|tr [A-Z] [a-z]`" TLD="`echo $DOMAIN | awk -f. '{print $NF}'`" fi ## determine whois server case $TLD in com|net|org|edu|gov) #whois.internic.net, root monopoly holder wserver=whois.internic.net ;; us) wserver=whois.isi.edu ;; ca) # per Richard Sexton 280se@mbz.org/richard@ns1.vrx.net wserver=ns3.vrx.net ;; cn|hk|kr|jp|tw) #whois.apnic.net, Asia and the Pacific region wserver=whois.apnic.net ;; al|am|at|az|ba|be|bg|by|ch|cy|cz|de|dk|dz|ee|eg|es|fi|fo|\ fr|gb|ge|gr|hr|hu|ie|il|is|it|li|lt|lu|lv|ma|md|mk|mt|nl|\ no|pl|pt|ro|ru|se|si|sk|sm|su|tn|tr|ua|uk|va|yu) #whois.ripe.net, Europe, Russia, Middle East and parts of Africa wserver=whois.ripe.net ;; [0-9]*|net*) #whois.arin.net : reverse mapping wserver=whois.arin.net ;; mil) #nic.ddn.mil, us military wserver=nic.ddn.mil ;; *) #rs.internic.net, North and South America and parts of Africa wserver=rs.internic.net ;; esac ## query correct server echo "--> Querying the $wserver server:" echo "" whois -h $wserver $DOMAIN | $MORE exit $? -------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 19:18:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA27006 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 19:18:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgate22.a001.sprintmail.com (mailgate22-hme0.a001.sprintmail.com [205.137.196.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA26994 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 19:18:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bminazzi@w3page.com) Received: by mailgate22.a001.sprintmail.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA17210; Mon, 25 May 1998 19:16:03 -0700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Received: from sdn-ts-009coaurop05.dialsprint.net(206.133.160.152) by mailfep2-hme1 via dsmap-1.22 id Q_10.1.1.6/Q_325_1_356a25ab; Mon, 25 May 1998 19:15:07 -0700 Message-ID: <356A227A.9760E56@w3page.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 20:01:30 -0600 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com CC: Troy Settle , Paul Civati , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMTP Relay probing - Should I follow up - advice? References: <19980525125823.A12350@mooseriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > number of these spammers are buying access from big spam providers who, in > turn, buy access from large access providers, like alter.net, who just > don't care as long as the check doesn't bounce. I have noticed a lot of crap originating from alter.net's downstream. Can we band together and dely all mail services to alter.net's customers? Or, maybe push other backbone providers to cancel the peering arangements with them. That might send the legit customers somewhere else, if lots of there mail comes back denied, or the cannot connect to many services. We have got to find a way to put the hurt on these fu&%ing theives, and those that support them. Blaine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 19:59:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03973 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 19:59:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03952; Mon, 25 May 1998 19:59:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199805260259.TAA03952@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: SMTP Relay probing - Should I follow up - advice? In-Reply-To: <356A227A.9760E56@w3page.com> from Blaine Minazzi at "May 25, 98 08:01:30 pm" To: bminazzi@w3page.com (Blaine Minazzi) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 19:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com, rewt@i-Plus.net, paul@xciv.org, isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Blaine Minazzi wrote: > > number of these spammers are buying access from big spam providers who, in > > turn, buy access from large access providers, like alter.net, who just > > don't care as long as the check doesn't bounce. > > I have noticed a lot of crap originating from alter.net's downstream. > > Can we band together and dely all mail services to alter.net's > customers? > Or, maybe push other backbone providers to cancel the peering > arangements with them. if i remember correctly: ohhh, alter.net belongs to uu.net. uu.net belongs to world.com. world.com is merging with mci world.com was ~25% of the 'net in dec '97 per klaffy's talk at the 40th IETF. combine that will mci and it must be over 50%. dont wanna do that, i fear. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 20:03:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA04703 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 20:03:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thecore.com (shaun@guardian.thecore.com [206.136.149.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA04694 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 20:03:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shaun@thecore.com) Received: from localhost (shaun@localhost) by thecore.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA16432; Mon, 25 May 1998 23:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 23:02:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Shaun To: Blaine Minazzi cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMTP Relay probing - Should I follow up - advice? In-Reply-To: <356A227A.9760E56@w3page.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 25 May 1998, Blaine Minazzi wrote: > I have noticed a lot of crap originating from alter.net's downstream. > > Can we band together and dely all mail services to alter.net's > customers? > Or, maybe push other backbone providers to cancel the peering > arangements with them. > > That might send the legit customers somewhere else, if lots of there > mail comes back denied, or the cannot connect to many services. > > We have got to find a way to put the hurt on these fu&%ing theives, and > those that support them. Oh, that's brilliant...Are you going to take up a collection for all us legit customers so we can switch and pay the startup fees for some other Tier 1 provider?? +-- http://www.download.net ------------- http://www.thecore.com --+ | Shaun M. Finn TechnoCore Communications, Inc. | | shaun@thecore.com Internet Web Services & Access | | VOICE: (732)928-7400 P.O. Box 106 | | FAX: (732)928-7402 Jackson, NJ 08527-0106 | +----- ICQ 3842675 ------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 20:46:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10038 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 20:46:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgate22.a001.sprintmail.com (mailgate22-hme0.a001.sprintmail.com [205.137.196.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA10033 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 20:46:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bminazzi@w3page.com) Received: by mailgate22.a001.sprintmail.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA06791; Mon, 25 May 1998 20:45:06 -0700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Received: from sdn-ts-009coaurop05.dialsprint.net(206.133.160.152) by mailfep3-hme1 via dsmap-1.22 id Q_10.1.1.8/Q_12242_1_356a3a89; Mon, 25 May 1998 20:44:09 -0700 Message-ID: <356A375B.12CD4500@w3page.com> Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 21:30:35 -0600 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shaun CC: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMTP Relay probing - Should I follow up - advice? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Shaun wrote: > Oh, that's brilliant...Are you going to take up a collection for all > us legit customers so we can switch and pay the startup fees for > some other Tier 1 provider?? Oh, I see... You CHOOSE to do business with companies that support these fu*&ing bandwidth thieves and miscreants.... ALTER.NET - - the drop in replacement for AGIS. Bkm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 20:46:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10056 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 20:46:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from newserv.urc.ac.ru (newserv.urc.ac.ru [193.233.85.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA10027 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 20:46:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joy@urc.ac.ru) Received: from urc.ac.ru (y.urc.ac.ru [193.233.85.37]) by newserv.urc.ac.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18383; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:43:48 +0600 (ESS) (envelope-from joy@urc.ac.ru) Message-ID: <356A3CD2.48636391@urc.ac.ru> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:53:54 +0600 From: Konstantin Chuguev Organization: South Ural Regional Center of FREEnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Elischer CC: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tunnel Software References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Julian Elischer wrote: > > there are so many options it's hard to remember everything. > starting with ssh and SKIP and PPTP and going through to > do-it-yourself programs using /dev/tun. > I have one exactly done-by-myself stuff using /dev/tun. One small daemon per one tunnel device. Supports very simple scrambling (just XORing with a key) when used on both sides of tunnel. Works by me with CISCO and Linux on the other side, through ethernet LAN and SLIP links. If anybody wants it (at least to have a starting point for further developing) please write me. I then have to move 2 files from my personal libcext[ensions] library to the ipipd itself, and to write a brief README. -- Konstantin V. Chuguev. System administrator of Southern http://www.urc.ac.ru/~joy/ Ural Regional Center of FREEnet, mailto:joy@urc.ac.ru Chelyabinsk, Russia. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 22:17:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA22179 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 22:17:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ymris.ddm.on.ca (p.neon.sentex.ca [207.245.212.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22169 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 22:16:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dchapes@ddm.on.ca) Received: from squigy.ddm.on.ca (squigy.ddm.on.ca [209.47.139.138]) by ymris.ddm.on.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA03217 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 01:16:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dchapes@ymris.ddm.on.ca) From: Dave Chapeskie Received: (from dchapes@localhost) by squigy.ddm.on.ca (8.8.8/8.8.7) id BAA16489; Tue, 26 May 1998 01:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980526011651.31446@ddm.on.ca> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 01:16:51 -0400 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMTP Relay probing - Should I follow up - advice? Mail-Followup-To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: <356A227A.9760E56@w3page.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Shaun on Mon, May 25, 1998 at 11:02:56PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 25 May 1998, Blaine Minazzi wrote: > Can we band together and dely all mail services to alter.net's > customers? Or, maybe push other backbone providers to cancel the > peering arangements with them. > > That might send the legit customers somewhere else, if lots of there > mail comes back denied, or the cannot connect to many services. Or it may encourage Alternet customers to complain. Most places are more concerned when customers complain then when outsiders do. Of course to have this effect rejected mail should be sent back with a useful message like "rejected due to lots of spam. Complain to xxxx@alter.net and get them to make and enforce a useful AUP" On Mon, May 25, 1998 at 11:02:56PM -0400, Shaun wrote: > Oh, that's brilliant...Are you going to take up a collection for all > us legit customers so we can switch and pay the startup fees for some > other Tier 1 provider?? I suggest you, as an Alternet customer, complain loudly and often until they crack down on spam originating their domain. -- Dave Chapeskie , DDM Consulting To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 25 22:54:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA26961 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 25 May 1998 22:54:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from postoffice.prismnet.com (postoffice.prismnet.com [205.166.246.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA26956 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 22:54:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from greg@prismnet.com) Received: from darkstar.prismnet.com (darkstar.prismnet.com [209.198.133.2]) by postoffice.prismnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA25455 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 00:54:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001f01bd886a$6a17d6a0$0285c6d1@darkstar.prismnet.com> Reply-To: "Greg Stringfellow" From: "Greg Stringfellow" To: Subject: Re: SMTP Relay probing - Should I follow up - advice? Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 00:52:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Blaine, I do believe you want to take your frustrations out on the wrong people. Not all of UUNETs customers are "fu*&ing bandwidth thieves and miscreants". So why should we punish them? Another way of looking at it is this, it looks like the account your emailing from goes through a major backbone. Do you think they don't house a few spammers? Should we all prevent you from emailing everyone else because of it? Think about how smart that is. I agree we should do something. But I think we all need to step back and take a look at how we approach it. I guess I could take this conversation further but I don't believe it relates to FreeBSD or how FreeBSD relates to an ISP. Greg -----Original Message----- From: Blaine Minazzi To: Shaun Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Monday, May 25, 1998 11:34 PM Subject: Re: SMTP Relay probing - Should I follow up - advice? >Shaun wrote: > >> Oh, that's brilliant...Are you going to take up a collection for all >> us legit customers so we can switch and pay the startup fees for >> some other Tier 1 provider?? > >Oh, I see... You CHOOSE to do business with companies that support these >fu*&ing bandwidth thieves and miscreants.... > >ALTER.NET - - the drop in replacement for AGIS. > > >Bkm > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 26 00:30:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA08920 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 00:30:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgate22.a001.sprintmail.com (mailgate22-hme0.a001.sprintmail.com [205.137.196.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA08915 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 00:30:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bminazzi@w3page.com) Received: by mailgate22.a001.sprintmail.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA00753; Tue, 26 May 1998 00:29:50 -0700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Received: from sdn-ts-009coaurop05.dialsprint.net(206.133.160.152) by mailfep3-hme1 via dsmap-1.22 id Q_10.1.1.8/Q_8181_1_356a6f5e; Tue, 26 May 1998 00:29:34 -0700 Message-ID: <356A6C36.25C841B5@w3page.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 01:16:06 -0600 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Stringfellow CC: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMTP Relay probing - Should I follow up - advice? References: <001f01bd886a$6a17d6a0$0285c6d1@darkstar.prismnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Stringfellow wrote: > > Blaine, > I do believe you want to take your frustrations out on the wrong people. Not > all of UUNETs customers are "fu*&ing bandwidth thieves and miscreants". So > why should we punish them? Now where in the hell did I say anything about _ALL_ uunets customers are bandwidth theives? First off, what I said was in reference to ALTER.NET. I said: ``Oh, I see... You CHOOSE to do business with companies that support these fu*&ing bandwidth thieves and miscreants....'' I did not say that Shaun was a bandwidth theif, but only that he chose to do business with a company that allows this kind of horse shit behavior. It is the spammers, that I called fu*&king bandwidth theives. The original subject is realying spam off of mail servers without permission. That is theft of services, plain and simple. I have sent numerous complaints to ALTER.NET, and have never seen an account cancelled, or any other action to show that ALTER.NET give a flying fox about anything other than $$$$. They are no better than AGIS used to be when they were the home for Spamford Wallace and the like. > Another way of looking at it is this, it looks like the account your > emailing from goes through a major backbone. Do you think they don't house a > few spammers? Should we all prevent you from emailing everyone else because > of it? Think about how smart that is. There appears to be a HUGE difference between SPRINT and ALTER.NET. I would have no beef with ALTER.NET if they enforced an anti-spam AUP against these kinds of users. Nothing can stop the occaional spammer, but ALTER.NET seems downright spam friendly. Maybe it's just appears that way, but a very large percentage of traceroute's I have done to spammers goes back to ALTER.NET. Complaints to ALTER.NET seem to generate no action, or have any account cancelled. That, plus others observations along the same lines leads me to believe that they are the new AGIS. The backbone our servers use has a AUP that prohibits spamming. They have, and will, cancel accounts of these kinds of theives. My "dial up" from home, also uses sprint. They have even gone do far as to not allow the use of ANY relay other than their own SMTP server for outbound mail for their dial up customers. So, people who use dial up from sprint's service cannot conceal their identity easily. There is even an X-Complaints line added to the mail header. I would call that fairly responsible of them. At least they are trying to stop the crap, unlike ALTER.NET. If ALTER.NET customers were denied services on a fairly widespread basis, how long do you think they would tolerate spammers? > I agree we should do something. But I think we all need to step back and > take a look at how we approach it. > > I guess I could take this conversation further but I don't believe it > relates to FreeBSD or how FreeBSD relates to an ISP. > > Greg Putting pressure on the wallet is usually a fairly effective tactic. Do you think that AGIS had some sort of religious conversion? I doubt it. I think the pressure of the internet community as a whole, and the outright hassle they went through because of their spam policies caused them to make a decision based on economic realities that hosting these assholes was downright bad for business. If you have ever had your server used as a relay, ( I have ) then you CLEARLY understand how this relates to ISP's. And since this is about the only ISP list many of us subscribe to, here is where it gets aired. I have the Anti Relay, ( pop before sendmail realay ), the RBL patches, the patches to stop incoming mail from "fake" domains, etc. all installed. The amount of time that sys admins all across the country have to spend to try and stop spam, and then clean up the messes these theives leave behind amounts to millions of dollars a year in lost productivity, and in some cases, they effectivily caused a Denial of Service for providers, with thousands in lost revenue, and a potential black mark on your name. Not exactly a trivial issue for ISP's, running FreeBSD or not. Of course, if we hold the thread to explicit FreeBSD _AND_ ISP issues only, then about 80% of the messages on this list would never get posted. Regards, Blaine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 26 08:56:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA20477 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 08:56:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.westbend.net (ns1.westbend.net [207.217.224.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20441; Tue, 26 May 1998 08:55:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from postmaster@westbend.net) Received: from admin (admin.westbend.net [207.217.224.195]) by mail.westbend.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA18696; Tue, 26 May 1998 10:54:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from postmaster@westbend.net) Message-ID: <01db01bd88be$9af42fe0$c3e0d9cf@admin.westbend.net> From: "PostMaster" To: "Matthew Emmerton" Cc: , Subject: Re: Microsoft Frontpage 98 Server Extensions Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:54:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: Matthew Emmerton > >I recently got FreeBSD-2.2.6 running, and downloaded the most recent MS >Frontpage Server extensions (version 3.0.4 according to the tarball I got) >for BSD/OS 3.0 from the Microsoft site. > >However, I noticed a couple of problems that would be worthwhile to mention. > >First, the fp_install.sh script (obviously) doesn't support FreeBSD and dies >horribly. >So, rename the distribution to fp30.freebsd.tar.gz, and patch the >fp_install.sh with fpext-3.0.4-freebsd-fp_install-patch. > It probably better not to rename the distribution, but to just add the check for freebsd to the BSD check. >Also, the huge patchfile that patches Apache 1.2.5 contains a mistake (for >bsdi users) and (of course) needs to be fixed up for us FreeBSD users. > 1. You shouldn't be patching a patch file, as it is hard to keep track of the patches. 2. The patch for the RAND_CMD, in mod_frontpage.c, shouldn't use "(__FreeBSD__)", but should use "(defined(BSD) & BSD > 199103)" instead. Makes the patch more general so that NetBSD & OpenBSD users can use the same patch. >I have submitted this information to RTR and (hopefully) they'll include >some of it in the next release of the extensions. > All of the above changes are already included in the Apache-FP port. Plus additional patches for the shtml.dll - shtml.exe problem, Encryption Problem (when des not installed, passwords created by fpsrvadm.exe don't work). The port is currently, going through the process of being submitted to the ports collection (see pr 4878). The port for apache v1.26 is available from http://www.westbend.net/~hetzels/apache-fp A port for apache v1.3b6 is also available from http://www.westbend.net/~hetzels/apache-fp/beta.html Scot To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 26 09:55:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02980 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:55:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from CTNet2.createtech.com (CTNet2.createtech.com [209.48.208.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02970 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:55:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kim@createtech.com) Received: (from smtp@localhost) by CTNet2.createtech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id LAA20865; Tue, 26 May 1998 11:50:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from x56.createtech.com(209.48.208.56), claiming to be "createtech.com" via SMTP by pop.createtech.com, id smtpd020857; Tue May 26 11:50:06 1998 Message-ID: <356AF394.C1AF1DC3@createtech.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:53:40 -0500 From: Kim Shrier X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Douglas Ng CC: "'isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: Firewall software References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would recommend ipfw combined with the fwtk that is in the ports collection. Gauntlet does not run under FreeBSD and in my opinion violates several rules as to how to build a firewall. My experience is with the BSDI version. It requires a full developer installation and uses X-windows. They also use a HTML/Java configuration setup that was not working too well the last time I used it. When I make a firewall, I remove everything that is not needed (compilers, editors, X-windows, most programs in /usr/bin). I also prefer to manually configure the proxies and packet filtering rules because then you understand what your firewall is doing. TIS is assuming that the customer does not understand all the issues about setting up a firewall and this is mainly true. It's just that they use the firewall as a development machine in order to modify the kernel during installation and then leave all the development software on the machine. I would have much less problem if they cleaned up after themselves after installation. Firewall-1 only runs on NT and uses "statefull inspection" as its method of providing protection. This is considered to be less secure than proxies. Since maintaining anything on NT is a pain, I usually avoid NT if at all possible. I am just starting to look at the delegate proxy software that is in the ports collection, but I haven't had time to set up a box using that software. It looks like the delegate proxy will do transparent proxying which is nicer than the fwtk proxies which don't support this. (Although there are some patches to the fwtk proxies to add transparent support but I can't locate a reference to the patches right now.) PS. Please do not send the body of your email message as a MIME attachment. It is much easier to read if you just send it the normal way. Douglas Ng wrote: > >Hi all > >Does anyone have any recommendation for a firewall software to use on >the FreeBSD box? >I have been referred to Gauntlett and Checkpoint Firewall-1. How do >they compare? Or would they be an overkill and instead I should use >simply ipfw that comes with freeBSD? > >Thanks in advance. > >Douglas Stevenson Ng >W3Labs, The Active Idea Company -- Kim Shrier - kim@createtech.com Director of Development - CreateTech, Inc. voice 214-748-2233 - fax 214-748-3377 www.createtech.com - Custom Internet Solutions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 26 11:32:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22863 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 11:32:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Rigel.orionsys.com (rigel.orionsys.com [205.148.224.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22848 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 11:32:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbabler@Rigel.orionsys.com) Received: from localhost (dbabler@localhost) by Rigel.orionsys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA19246; Tue, 26 May 1998 11:31:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbabler@Rigel.orionsys.com) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:31:30 -0700 (PDT) From: David Babler To: Karl Pielorz cc: jack , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMTP Relay probing - Should I follow up - advice? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 25 May 1998, Karl Pielorz wrote: > > > > Annoyed... > > > > I'm sure. As a potential victim of their spam let me say thank > > you to you for not acting as a relay for them. > > It was one of the _first_ things I setup... ;-) > > In answer to all who wanted to know, the company claim to be 'The Electric > Mail Company', aka 'electric.net'. After looking at their web pages, I'd write to their postmaster and complain about the probes - they don't *appear* to be completely bogus and I don't have any record of them or their IP range in any of my spam databases here. They *do* advertise "auto-responders" and SMTP-less delivery agents (which makes no particular sense) so they could just be well cloaked. -Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 26 11:35:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23386 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 11:35:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Rigel.orionsys.com (rigel.orionsys.com [205.148.224.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23363 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 11:35:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbabler@Rigel.orionsys.com) Received: from localhost (dbabler@localhost) by Rigel.orionsys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA19298; Tue, 26 May 1998 11:34:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbabler@Rigel.orionsys.com) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:34:45 -0700 (PDT) From: David Babler To: Troy Settle cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMTP Relay probing - Should I follow up - advice? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 25 May 1998, Troy Settle wrote: > On Mon, 25 May 1998, Paul Civati wrote: > > Karl Pielorz wrote: > > > I'm just annoyed a company that obviously has set out to specialise in > > > spam/electronic mailing lists doesn't even use it's own servers to send the > > > damned stuff out... > > > > Well, yes, otherwise their IP blocks would soon be well known and people > > would just block them, get them put on MAPS RBL, etc. Which would put > > them out of business. > > Just imagine what would happen if everyone who runs a mail server were to > deny relaying. Put them spammer people out of business real quick :) Actually, the fastest-growing segment of spam now seems to come from "direct spewers" - software Joe Six-pack runs on his dialup connection that does MX lookups and sends spam directly to the victom's system. We now block SMTP contact from all major ISPs' dialup ranges for that reason. -Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 26 12:53:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07046 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 12:53:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [206.156.231.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07026 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 12:52:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from josh@frantastic.com) Received: from localhost (josh@localhost) by elvis.mu.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA05563 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 14:52:53 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from josh@frantastic.com) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:52:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Josh X-Sender: josh@elvis.mu.org To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall software In-Reply-To: <356AF394.C1AF1DC3@createtech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 26 May 1998, Kim Shrier wrote: > Firewall-1 only runs on NT > and uses "statefull inspection" as its method of providing protection. > This is considered to be less secure than proxies. Since maintaining > anything on NT is a pain, I usually avoid NT if at all possible. Actually, firewall-1 will run on NT, HP-UX, AIX, Solaris and SunOS. The firewall client that is used to maintain firewall-1 can be run from windows95/nt or an a motif application under xwindows, regardless of which type of platform the engine runs on. It is true that stateful inspection does not offer the same protection that a proxing system might for a particular protocol, but it does provide protection independent of application level protocol (ie it's modular). It's also very common to combine firewall-1 with some type of a proxy server to provide greater protection. josh franta mailto:josh@frantastic.com http://frantastic.com/josh/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 26 15:14:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03123 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:14:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tidal.oneway.com (tidal.oneway.com [205.177.9.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03085; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:13:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jay@oneway.com) Received: from localhost (jay@localhost) by tidal.oneway.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id SAA06534; Tue, 26 May 1998 18:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:23:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Jay To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: T1 CSU cards Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Good afternoon, I am currently working on a project that requires me to place a T1 into a FreeBSD box. I have been through the archives and have seen T1-serial cards without CSU.. Can anyone point me in the direction of T1 cards with integrated CSU for FreeBSD? Does such an animal exist? Thanks, Jay To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 26 19:04:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15240 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 19:04:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from divre5.telkom.co.id ([202.134.0.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA14486 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 19:02:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sandy@divre5.telkom.co.id) Received: from ars by divre5.telkom.co.id (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA13686; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:51:41 -0700 Message-ID: <000901bd8913$df7a4c80$7305600a@ars.divre5.net> From: "Arisandy" To: Subject: Squid ? Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:05:07 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'll try to install squid for cache server on my ppp on demand box... but there is warning ->fdstat_update:re-opening biggest_FD? and error -> /usr/local/squid/logs/access.log : (13) permission denied cannot open logfile........... what is access .log ? when i install squid...there is no file for access.log? thanks, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 26 20:15:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00792 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 20:15:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA00780; Tue, 26 May 1998 20:15:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA12627; Tue, 26 May 1998 23:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805270306.XAA12627@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Jay cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: T1 CSU cards References: In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 26 May 1998 18:23:55 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 23:06:23 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Good afternoon, > > I am currently working on a project that requires me to place a T1 > into a FreeBSD box. I have been through the archives and have seen > T1-serial cards without CSU.. Can anyone point me in the direction of T1 > cards with integrated CSU for FreeBSD? Does such an animal exist? Just to be clear - there are perhaps three alternative hardware bits, and you've mentioned two. What's unclear is which two :-) 1. A high-speed serial card with a V.35 or EIA-530 DTE interface. This wants to be plugged into an external CSU/DSU or null modem which supplies clock and data (both Transmit and Receive). 2. A high-speed serial card with a built-in CSU/DSU. You plug a T-1 line right into it, perhaps connected to a smart-jack. The T-1 line goes out of the building to a local central office. If lightning gets too close to this sort of wire, then you get bit errors and then it's better. Or at least the hardware doesn't burst into flame. 3. A high-speed serial card with a built-in DSU. You plug a DSX-1 level line into it. This type of connection isn't "protected", and isn't connected to an outside-plant loop. If lightning gets too close to this sort of wire, then the hardware explodes. I think you were asking about a product that does #2 as compared to a #1. I've seen some CompactPCI boards that do this (only because I've been looking at CompactPCI hardware). I believe that SDL makes boards that do #2, and there are others too. louie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 26 20:36:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA04737 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 20:36:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gwis.com (droberts@darcy.gwis.com [209.57.72.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA04683 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 20:36:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from droberts@gwis.com) Received: from localhost (droberts@localhost) by gwis.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA27208 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 23:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 23:36:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Roberts To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: apache/freebsd limits on vhost servers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm putting together a new machine to serve vhost websites.. I want to check if there are any limits on the number of sites that can be hosted on one machine that would be imposed by number of virtual network interfaces or virtualhost directives in apache config. (or anything else for that matter) Anything anyone aware of? I don't see anything obvious in any documentation I've read, but I want to be sure before we commit our customers to this new machine. Thanks. -- Dan Roberts, http://gwis.com/~droberts Gateway to Internet Services sysadmin/ircadmin, Strahd on DALnet IRC for Internet access in NE Ohio Dragons Hockey, http://rm-rf.net/dragons http://www.gwis.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 26 21:19:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA14686 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 21:19:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tidal.oneway.com (tidal.oneway.com [205.177.9.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA14434; Tue, 26 May 1998 21:18:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jay@oneway.com) Received: from localhost (jay@localhost) by tidal.oneway.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id AAA07073; Wed, 27 May 1998 00:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:27:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Jay Reply-To: Jay To: "Louis A. Mamakos" cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: T1+CSU/DSU card driver for FreeBSD (was: T1 CSU cards) In-Reply-To: <199805270306.XAA12627@whizzo.transsys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > T1-serial cards without CSU.. Can anyone point me in the direction of T1 > > cards with integrated CSU for FreeBSD? Does such an animal exist? > > 2. A high-speed serial card with a built-in CSU/DSU. You plug a T-1 line > right into it, perhaps connected to a smart-jack. The T-1 line goes > out of the building to a local central office. If lightning gets too > close to this sort of wire, then you get bit errors and then it's better. > Or at least the hardware doesn't burst into flame. > I think you were asking about a product that does #2 as compared to a #1. Yes, That is what I am searching for. I looked at the SDL web site and it appears that they only support BSDI & Linux on the UNIX side. Do you know if they have FreeBSD support? Also: I talked with a company called Sangoma (www.sangoma.com) this afternoon, they have a T1 product with integrated csu/dsu which is relatively inexpensive (about $850 US). Currently the only driver software for their cards is for NT, Linux and SCO. HOWEVER: They are willing to do a port of their driver software to FreeBSD, if people are interested and tell them so. I've already cast my vote with them... if this is something you are interested in as well, please let them know. I spoke with Gideon Hack this afternoon, his email is ghack@sangoma.com. If anyone knows anything I should know about these cards or sangoma, please let me know. If not, I'm going to lean on the higher-ups here to help me with getting Sangoma to do the driver port, since the project I am currently working on may require us to purchase some quantity of them. If this is something you are interested in, please drop Gideon a line. Every email they get will push it a little higher on their priority list. Thanks, Jay K. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 26 21:52:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21106 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 21:52:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tidal.oneway.com (tidal.oneway.com [205.177.9.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA20838 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 21:50:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jay@oneway.com) Received: from localhost (jay@localhost) by tidal.oneway.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id BAA07134; Wed, 27 May 1998 01:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:00:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Jay To: Dan Roberts cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: apache/freebsd limits on vhost servers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm putting together a new machine to serve vhost websites.. I want to > check if there are any limits on the number of sites that can be hosted on [ . . . ] > Anything anyone aware of? I don't see anything obvious in any > documentation I've read, but I want to be sure before we commit our > customers to this new machine. I've successfully run 255 vhosts on a single FreeBSD machine (ips ifconfig'ed onto lo0) without any trouble. We have two machines in that configuration right now. They handle all of the vhosts with no problem at all. I have heard tell of people doing more than that, but I've never tried. Jay K. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 26 23:19:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA08829 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 23:19:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c243.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA08792 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 23:19:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA05884; Wed, 27 May 1998 02:18:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Blaine Minazzi cc: Greg Stringfellow , isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: SMTP Relay probing - Should I follow up - advice? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 26 May 1998 01:16:06 MDT." <356A6C36.25C841B5@w3page.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 02:18:46 -0400 Message-ID: <5880.896249926@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Blaine, please tone down your messages. The level of profanity you've been using is not needed. Blaine Minazzi wrote in message ID <356A6C36.25C841B5@w3page.com>: > It is the spammers, that I called fu*&king bandwidth theives. The > original subject is realying spam off of mail servers without > permission. That is theft of services, plain and simple. I have sent > numerous complaints to ALTER.NET, and have never seen an account > cancelled, or any other action to show that ALTER.NET give a flying fox > about anything other than $$$$. They are no better than AGIS used to be > when they were the home for Spamford Wallace and the like. That is because alter.net does not sell dialup directly. They sell them to resellers. While the reseller contract they use could probably be beefed up a bit, if the reseller doesn't act UUNet is kinda stuck. If UUNet blocks the account forcibly at the RADIUS level, the spammer calls the reseller, the reseller puzzles over the account and gives Joe Spammer a new one. > If ALTER.NET customers were denied services on a fairly widespread > basis, how long do you think they would tolerate spammers? You try explaining to a large customerbase why they can't get to UUNet and then see how your revenues are next month. I know at the place I work at it would be suicide. Not because we are small. Exactly the opposite actually. > Putting pressure on the wallet is usually a fairly effective tactic. Do > you think that AGIS had some sort of religious conversion? I doubt it. > I think the pressure of the internet community as a whole, and the > outright hassle they went through because of their spam policies caused > them to make a decision based on economic realities that hosting these > assholes was downright bad for business. AGISs policy was almost certainly influenced by dedicated line customers leaving. *NOT* by outside people blocking their entire netblocks. I know a company who had ppl phoning up for accounts, asking who they used as their upstream, they answered `Agis' and then got dialtone as feedback from the prospective customer. They had to leave Agis for economic reasons. That is the correct course of action to take, not denying your own customer base service (no matter how right you feel your cause is, if customers can't get to their favourite web site, they will cancel...) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 01:16:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00857 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 01:16:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA00745 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 01:15:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05296; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:14:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <356BCB72.8793E206@tdx.co.uk> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:14:42 +0100 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Arisandy CC: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Squid ? References: <000901bd8913$df7a4c80$7305600a@ars.divre5.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Arisandy wrote: > > I'll try to install squid for cache server on my ppp on demand box... > but there is warning ->fdstat_update:re-opening biggest_FD? > and error -> /usr/local/squid/logs/access.log : (13) permission denied > cannot open logfile........... > > what is access .log ? when i install squid...there is no file for > access.log? > > thanks, That's probably why your getting the error... I'm not too sure about the 'opening biggest_FD' error - it may be harmless... To fix the other error you need to make sure you have all the directories '/usr/local/squid/logs' on your system, Go into that directory and do 'touch access.log' - then you need to chown the access log so it's owned by whichever user SQUID is running as e.g. 'chown nobody access.log'. Alternatively look through your SQUID config file, and get it to put the logs somewhere different... I keep mine in '/var/log' - but I still have to make sure there is a file there (even if it's zero byte) that's writeable by Squid for it's logs, before starting it... Regards, Karl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 01:18:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01383 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 01:18:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA01291 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 01:18:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05322; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:17:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <356BCC34.7FA479DF@tdx.co.uk> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:17:56 +0100 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Roberts CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: apache/freebsd limits on vhost servers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dan Roberts wrote: > > I'm putting together a new machine to serve vhost websites.. I want to > check if there are any limits on the number of sites that can be hosted on > one machine that would be imposed by number of virtual network interfaces > or virtualhost directives in apache config. (or anything else for that > matter) > > Anything anyone aware of? I don't see anything obvious in any > documentation I've read, but I want to be sure before we commit our > customers to this new machine. > > Thanks. You should be OK with a couple of hundred - the real killer is when you get apache to write the log files for each virtual host to seperate files... This eats up file-descriptors... To get more you can recompile the kernel with 'MAX_USERS' set really high (i.e. 256) On a friends system (which is also helishly busy) we had to do a few patches to increase the number of file descriptors manually - and recompile libc (Hi system was running 2.2.2 - you may not need to do this)... Apache.org has details of quite a few of the problems you might run into... If your just starting out - try looking at Apache 1.3b6 (Release candidate #1 for 1.3) - It can now easily handle 'named' virtual servers - which means you won't eat up IP address space, and can probably handle greater numbers of servers... (On the downside it's a bit messy for non HTTP 1.1 compliant browsers) Regards, Karl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 01:30:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA03491 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 01:30:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from destiny.waverider.co.uk (destiny.waverider.co.uk [194.207.28.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA03452 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 01:29:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andyc@waverider.net.uk) Received: from ast.hazel.waverider.net.uk (port31.waverider.co.uk [194.207.148.60]) by destiny.waverider.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id JAA11671 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:29:29 +0100 (BST) From: "Andy Cowan" To: Subject: Gated.conf help anyone? Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:31:24 +0100 Message-ID: <00bd01bd8949$d5d3fe20$2237cfc2@ast.hazel.waverider.net.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm having a whole load of fun trying to get gated configured for our network. Can anyone point me in the direction of a gated tutorial (rather than the excellent, but hardly novice material, at www.gated.org). Alternatively, I could post my gated.conf(s) here ;-) Andy -- Andy Cowan Technical Director Wave Rider Internet plc http://www.waverider.co.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 04:10:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA03275 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 04:10:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA03261; Wed, 27 May 1998 04:10:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rhh@ct.picker.com) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Wed, 27 May 1998 7:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02263; Wed, 27 May 98 07:09:01 EDT Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA20839; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:08:19 -0400 Message-Id: <19980527070819.A20832@ct.picker.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 07:08:19 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: Arisandy Cc: Questions , Isp Subject: Re: Modem speed? Mail-Followup-To: Arisandy , Questions , Isp References: <002501bd83ba$473d3030$7305600a@dial-up.divre5.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Doug White on Wed, May 20, 1998 at 01:59:29PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug White: |On Wed, 20 May 1998, Arisandy wrote: | |> How can I know the modem speed while connections happens ? | |You don't, at least easily -- you have to have a way of grabbing the |CONNECT string and usermode ppp can't do that at current (afaik). | |Doug White | University of Oregon |Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant |http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major If you're using CHAT for connection negotiation like I am (SLIPing into to one of my ISPs), check out the REPORT feature. Randall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 05:33:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18745 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 05:33:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zeus.theinternet.com.au (akm@zeus.theinternet.com.au [203.34.176.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18711 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 05:33:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from akm@zeus.theinternet.com.au) Received: (from akm@localhost) by zeus.theinternet.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA07410; Wed, 27 May 1998 22:27:35 GMT (envelope-from akm) From: Andrew Kenneth Milton Message-Id: <199805272227.WAA07410@zeus.theinternet.com.au> Subject: Re: Squid ? In-Reply-To: <000901bd8913$df7a4c80$7305600a@ars.divre5.net> from Arisandy at "May 27, 98 09:05:07 am" To: sandy@divre5.telkom.co.id (Arisandy) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 22:27:35 +0000 (GMT) Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org +----[ Arisandy ]--------------------------------------------- | I'll try to install squid for cache server on my ppp on demand box... | but there is warning ->fdstat_update:re-opening biggest_FD? This bit I can't help you with.. | and error -> /usr/local/squid/logs/access.log : (13) permission denied | cannot open logfile........... | | what is access .log ? when i install squid...there is no file for | access.log? Check the permissions, the default install leaves the directories with root ownership, but, squid changes user to nobody/nogroup. Change the permissions on the file and the log directory to nobody:nogroup. -- Totally Holistic Enterprises Internet| P:+61 7 3870 0066 | Andrew The Internet (Aust) Pty Ltd | F:+61 7 3870 4477 | Milton ACN: 082 081 472 | M:+61 416 022 411 |72 Col .Sig PO Box 403 Booval QLD Australia 4304 |akm@theinternet.com.au|Specialist To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 06:48:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA03021 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 06:48:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from voltage.net (voltage.net [208.15.104.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA03006 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 06:48:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sward@voltage.net) Received: from arky.voltage.net (arky.voltage.net [208.15.104.72]) by voltage.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA28086 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:43:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980527085445.0073b480@mail.voltage.net> X-Sender: sward@mail.voltage.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:54:46 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Susie Ward Subject: Re: apache/freebsd limits on vhost servers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:17 AM 5/27/98 +0100, Karl Pielorz wrote: >You should be OK with a couple of hundred - the real killer is when you get >apache to write the log files for each virtual host to seperate files... >This eats up file-descriptors... Is it better to log all virtuals into one single file? And if so what analyzer works best with this setup? Susie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 06:54:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA04234 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 06:54:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from domino.primelink.com (domino.primelink.com [206.24.58.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA04214 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 06:54:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kbrown@primelink.com) From: kbrown@primelink.com Received: by domino.primelink.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 86256611.004C91C0 ; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:56:20 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: HUBER & ASSOCIATES To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <86256611.004C1906.00@domino.primelink.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:56:13 -0500 Subject: strange named syslog entries Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Time for another round of named syslog entries questions... After getting nailed by the latest round of exploit attempts of bind 4.9.3 I recently upgraded to 8.1.1 and have been watching it very closely. Over the past couple of days, I have found the following entries in my syslog which concern me: May 18 02:02:25 ns1 named[4752]: bad referral (29.206.in-addr.arpa !< 125.29.206.in-addr.arpa) May 18 02:02:25 ns1 named[4752]: bad referral (29.206.in-addr.arpa !< 125.29.206.in-addr.arpa) May 20 21:00:33 ns1 named[4752]: bad referral (com !< INFIND.com) May 21 15:13:24 ns1 named[4752]: bad referral (com !< INFIND.com) May 25 01:59:16 ns1 named[4752]: bad referral (83.72.170.38.in-addr.arpa !< *.170.38.in-addr.arpa) May 25 02:05:46 ns1 named[4752]: bad referral (2.181.165.38.in-addr.arpa !< *.165.38.in-addr.arpa) May 26 08:11:27 ns1 named[4752]: bad referral (ATT.net !< NS.ELS-GMS.ATT.NET) May 26 15:03:35 ns1 named[4752]: bad referral (com !< microsoft-online-sales.com) What is the cause of this? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 07:12:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA07640 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:12:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kremvax.demos.su (kremvax.demos.su [194.87.0.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA07628 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:12:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sinbin.demos.su!bag@kremvax.demos.su) Received: by kremvax.demos.su (8.6.13/D) from 0@sinbin.demos.su [194.87.5.31] with ESMTP id SAA05875; Wed, 27 May 1998 18:07:35 +0400 Received: by sinbin.demos.su id SAA01384; (8.6.12/D) Wed, 27 May 1998 18:06:36 +0400 From: bag@sinbin.demos.su (Alex G. Bulushev) Message-Id: <199805271406.SAA01384@sinbin.demos.su> Subject: Re: apache/freebsd limits on vhost servers In-Reply-To: from "Jay" at "May 27, 98 01:00:18 am" X-ELM-OSV: (Our standard violations) no-mime=1; no-hdr-encoding=1 To: jay@oneway.com (Jay) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 18:06:35 +0400 (MSD) Cc: droberts@gwis.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I'm putting together a new machine to serve vhost websites.. I want to > > check if there are any limits on the number of sites that can be hosted on > [ . . . ] > > Anything anyone aware of? I don't see anything obvious in any > > documentation I've read, but I want to be sure before we commit our > > customers to this new machine. > > I've successfully run 255 vhosts on a single FreeBSD machine (ips > ifconfig'ed onto lo0) without any trouble. We have two machines in that > configuration right now. They handle all of the vhosts with no problem at > all. I have heard tell of people doing more than that, but I've never > tried. we now successfully run 380 vhosts (ifconfig on fxp0, not lo0) on single PC using 2 class C network and i think that this is not a limit no problem with arp table Alex > > Jay K. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 07:19:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08552 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:19:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gwis.com (droberts@darcy.gwis.com [209.57.72.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08542 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:19:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from droberts@gwis.com) Received: from localhost (droberts@localhost) by gwis.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA29392; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:19:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Roberts To: "Alex G. Bulushev" cc: Jay , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: apache/freebsd limits on vhost servers In-Reply-To: <199805271406.SAA01384@sinbin.demos.su> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 27 May 1998, Alex G. Bulushev wrote: > > I've successfully run 255 vhosts on a single FreeBSD machine (ips > > ifconfig'ed onto lo0) without any trouble. We have two machines in that > > configuration right now. They handle all of the vhosts with no problem at > > all. I have heard tell of people doing more than that, but I've never > > tried. > > we now successfully run 380 vhosts (ifconfig on fxp0, not lo0) on single PC > using 2 class C network and i think that this is not a limit > no problem with arp table Terrific! That's just what I needed to hear. :) We've had trouble with the old machine which is running BSDI 2.1.. I suspected the FD limit but wanted to be sure. Thanks for everyone's responses! -- Dan Roberts, http://gwis.com/~droberts Gateway to Internet Services sysadmin/ircadmin, Strahd on DALnet IRC for Internet access in NE Ohio Dragons Hockey, http://rm-rf.net/dragons http://www.gwis.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 08:36:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22268 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:36:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kremvax.demos.su (kremvax.demos.su [194.87.0.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA22253 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:36:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sinbin.demos.su!bag@kremvax.demos.su) Received: by kremvax.demos.su (8.6.13/D) from 0@sinbin.demos.su [194.87.5.31] with ESMTP id TAA02609; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:34:32 +0400 Received: by sinbin.demos.su id TAA10990; (8.6.12/D) Wed, 27 May 1998 19:34:16 +0400 From: bag@sinbin.demos.su (Alex G. Bulushev) Message-Id: <199805271534.TAA10990@sinbin.demos.su> Subject: Re: apache/freebsd limits on vhost servers In-Reply-To: from "Dan Roberts" at "May 27, 98 10:19:10 am" X-ELM-OSV: (Our standard violations) no-mime=1; no-hdr-encoding=1 To: droberts@gwis.com (Dan Roberts) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:34:16 +0400 (MSD) Cc: jay@oneway.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Wed, 27 May 1998, Alex G. Bulushev wrote: > > > > I've successfully run 255 vhosts on a single FreeBSD machine (ips > > > ifconfig'ed onto lo0) without any trouble. We have two machines in that > > > configuration right now. They handle all of the vhosts with no problem at > > > all. I have heard tell of people doing more than that, but I've never > > > tried. > > > > we now successfully run 380 vhosts (ifconfig on fxp0, not lo0) on single PC > > using 2 class C network and i think that this is not a limit > > no problem with arp table > > Terrific! That's just what I needed to hear. :) We've had trouble with > the old machine which is running BSDI 2.1.. I suspected the FD limit but > wanted to be sure. #define FD_SETSIZE 8192 and rebuild libc,apache,perl, if FD_SETSIZE < 8192, some problem exists with cgi > > Thanks for everyone's responses! > > -- > Dan Roberts, http://gwis.com/~droberts Gateway to Internet Services > sysadmin/ircadmin, Strahd on DALnet IRC for Internet access in NE Ohio > Dragons Hockey, http://rm-rf.net/dragons http://www.gwis.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 08:41:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23736 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:41:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kremvax.demos.su (kremvax.demos.su [194.87.0.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA23707 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:41:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sinbin.demos.su!bag@kremvax.demos.su) Received: by kremvax.demos.su (8.6.13/D) from 0@sinbin.demos.su [194.87.5.31] with ESMTP id TAA03808; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:38:34 +0400 Received: by sinbin.demos.su id TAA12430; (8.6.12/D) Wed, 27 May 1998 19:38:05 +0400 From: bag@sinbin.demos.su (Alex G. Bulushev) Message-Id: <199805271538.TAA12430@sinbin.demos.su> Subject: Re: apache/freebsd limits on vhost servers In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980527085445.0073b480@mail.voltage.net> from "Susie Ward" at "May 27, 98 08:54:46 am" X-ELM-OSV: (Our standard violations) no-mime=1; no-hdr-encoding=1 To: sward@voltage.net (Susie Ward) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:38:05 +0400 (MSD) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > At 09:17 AM 5/27/98 +0100, Karl Pielorz wrote: > >You should be OK with a couple of hundred - the real killer is when you get > >apache to write the log files for each virtual host to seperate files... > >This eats up file-descriptors... > > Is it better to log all virtuals into one single file? And if so what > analyzer works best with this setup? separate logs usefull for vhosts users, we use separate logs for 380 vhosts but FD_SETSIZE = 8192 Alex. > > Susie > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 09:31:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03840 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:31:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tweetie.online.barbour-index.co.uk (tweetie-pipex.online.barbour-index.co.uk [194.129.192.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03834 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:31:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scot@poptart.org) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by tweetie.online.barbour-index.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA11666 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 17:31:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from scot@poptart.org) X-Authentication-Warning: tweetie.online.barbour-index.co.uk: scot owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 17:31:47 +0100 (BST) From: Scot Elliott X-Sender: scot@tweetie.online.barbour-index.co.uk To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: strange named syslog entries In-Reply-To: <86256611.004C1906.00@domino.primelink.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I upgraded my nameservers last week because they dies when I put 254 more IP aliases on my machine (out of FDs). Bind 8 lets you bind to only certain addresses, so that solved that problem. However, I now get these funnies all over my syslog: May 27 16:25:32 tweetie named[27652]: Lame server on 'APPLE.UW.WA-K20.NET' (in 'WA-K20.NET'?): [198.41.0.4].53 'A.ROOT-SERVERS.net' May 27 16:25:33 tweetie named[27652]: Lame server on 'APPLE.UW.WA-K20.NET' (in 'WA-K20.NET'?): [198.41.0.21].53 'J.GTLD-SERVERS.INTERNIC.net' May 27 16:25:33 tweetie named[27652]: Lame server on 'APPLE.UW.WA-K20.NET' (in 'WA-K20.NET'?): [192.203.230.10].53 'E.ROOT-SERVERS.net' May 27 16:25:33 tweetie named[27652]: Lame server on 'APPLE.UW.WA-K20.NET' (in 'WA-K20.NET'?): [128.8.10.90].53 'D.ROOT-SERVERS.net'M This happens with other root servers too.. although I haven't noticed anything not working on this machine. Any ideas? Is this harmless or not? Thanks. Scot. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott (scot@poptart.org) | Work: +44 (0)171 7046777 PGP fingerprint: FCAE9ED3A234FEB59F8C7F9DDD112D | Home: +44 (0)181 8961019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 10:21:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13005 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:21:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgate22.a001.sprintmail.com (mailgate22-hme0.a001.sprintmail.com [205.137.196.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA12970; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:21:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bminazzi@w3page.com) Received: by mailgate22.a001.sprintmail.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA14520; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:20:28 -0700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Received: from sdn-ts-009coaurop05.dialsprint.net(206.133.160.152) by mailfep3-hme1 via dsmap-1.22 id Q_10.1.1.8/Q_25636_1_356c4b27; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:19:35 -0700 Message-ID: <356C4837.8355A06@w3page.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 11:07:03 -0600 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Palmer CC: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMTP Relay probing - Should I follow up - advice? References: <5880.896249926@gjp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gary Palmer wrote: > That is because alter.net does not sell dialup directly. They sell > them to resellers. While the reseller contract they use could probably > be beefed up a bit, if the reseller doesn't act UUNet is kinda stuck. No, they could terminate the resellers connection if the reseller does not enforce the AUP. A reseller, if most of his customers are legit, will not risk loosing his business over a few spammers. They appear to not be willing to do this, and, in turn, we all lose. We get spammed, and our services stolen. They get the bucks for hosting the theives. And we don't do anything about it, because it might cost us something. Sorry state of affairs, is it not? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 10:48:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18341 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:48:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tweetie.online.barbour-index.co.uk (tweetie-pipex.online.barbour-index.co.uk [194.129.192.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18256 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:47:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scot@poptart.org) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by tweetie.online.barbour-index.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA11848 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 18:47:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from scot@poptart.org) X-Authentication-Warning: tweetie.online.barbour-index.co.uk: scot owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 18:47:24 +0100 (BST) From: Scot Elliott X-Sender: scot@tweetie.online.barbour-index.co.uk To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Changes to /etc/mail/sendmail.cf.additions In-Reply-To: <199805271730.KAA14794@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On the subject of the new Sendmail version... anyone know if there are nice M4-features/hacks that let you just turn relaying etc on/off with just a simple line in your .mc file? I haven't had a chance to look at it yet... fiddling with sendmail rules scare the hell out of me to be honest ;) Scot. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott (scot@poptart.org) | Work: +44 (0)171 7046777 PGP fingerprint: FCAE9ED3A234FEB59F8C7F9DDD112D | Home: +44 (0)181 8961019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 10:55:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA19720 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:55:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from federation.addy.com (federation.addy.com [207.239.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA19581 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:54:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fbsdlist@federation.addy.com) Received: from localhost (fbsdlist@localhost) by federation.addy.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA17675 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:54:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Cliff Addy To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: apache/freebsd limits on vhost servers In-Reply-To: <199805271538.TAA12430@sinbin.demos.su> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 27 May 1998, Alex G. Bulushev wrote: > separate logs usefull for vhosts users, we use separate logs for 380 vhosts > but FD_SETSIZE = 8192 Where/how do you set this? /usr/include/sys/types.h says it can be set by the user, but does not say where or how. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 13:29:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21763 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:29:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from red.juniper.net (red.juniper.net [208.197.169.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21758; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:29:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tli@juniper.net) Received: from chimp.juniper.net (chimp.juniper.net [208.197.169.196]) by red.juniper.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11836; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tli@localhost) by chimp.juniper.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) id NAA02538; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:27:56 -0700 (PDT) To: Jay cc: "Louis A. Mamakos" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: T1+CSU/DSU card driver for FreeBSD (was: T1 CSU cards) References: <199805270306.XAA12627@whizzo.transsys.com> From: Tony Li Date: 27 May 1998 13:27:56 -0700 In-Reply-To: jay@oneway.com's message of 27 May 98 04:27:46 GMT Message-ID: <82zpg34fxv.fsf@chimp.juniper.net> Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org jay@oneway.com (Jay) writes: > Yes, That is what I am searching for. I looked at the SDL web site > and it appears that they only support BSDI & Linux on the UNIX side. Do > you know if they have FreeBSD support? Yes. Tony To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 14:36:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07470 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:36:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skraldespand.demos.su (skraldespand.demos.su [194.87.5.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07368 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:36:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mishania@skraldespand.demos.su) Received: by skraldespand.demos.su id BAA29999; (8.8.8/D) Thu, 28 May 1998 01:35:29 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <19980528013528.06899@demos.su> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 01:35:28 +0400 From: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" To: Jay Cc: Dan Roberts , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: apache/freebsd limits on vhost servers References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: ; from Jay on Wed, May 27, 1998 at 01:00:18AM -0400 Organization: Demos Company, Ltd., Moscow, Russian Federation. X-Point-of-View: Gravity is myth, - the earth sucks. X-Useless-Header: Look ma! It's a # sign! Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 27, 1998 at 01:00:18AM -0400, Jay wrote: # [ . . . ] # > Anything anyone aware of? I don't see anything obvious in any mbuf's lack with some configurations. if I only could specify those, I'd PR'd it already ;-) well, take your usual skills in increasing every limit (to start, get enough FD_SETSIZE value) and apply it to victim server. # I've successfully run 255 vhosts on a single FreeBSD machine (ips # ifconfig'ed onto lo0) without any trouble. We have two machines in that # configuration right now. They handle all of the vhosts with no problem at # all. I have heard tell of people doing more than that, but I've never # tried. We have hosts with up to 400 httpd's + some 200-300 ftpd's on each of them - it's ok. As for what can be maximum, seems like there are no real troubles on getting more on each poor box given: there was some mail ~year/year and a half ago, claiming it's possible to get >1024 vh's on one machine. # Jay K. -- -mishania To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 15:22:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA15595 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:22:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from amber.ecom.net (ns1.ecom.net [207.155.73.10] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA15518; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:22:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntrkcasa (b218.ecom.net [207.13.225.218]) by amber.ecom.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA05320; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:21:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980527151851.0378e3e0@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:18:51 -0700 To: Jay , "Louis A. Mamakos" From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: T1+CSU/DSU card driver for FreeBSD (was: T1 CSU cards) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <199805270306.XAA12627@whizzo.transsys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been using the dual T1 PCI card from http://www.etinc.com They have drivers for Linux and FreeBSD and work great. I have implemented them on PPP, Frame Relay and HDLC connections. Thanx, Randy Katz At 12:27 AM 5/27/98 -0400, Jay wrote: >> > T1-serial cards without CSU.. Can anyone point me in the direction of T1 >> > cards with integrated CSU for FreeBSD? Does such an animal exist? >> >> 2. A high-speed serial card with a built-in CSU/DSU. You plug a T-1 line >> right into it, perhaps connected to a smart-jack. The T-1 line goes >> out of the building to a local central office. If lightning gets too >> close to this sort of wire, then you get bit errors and then it's better. >> Or at least the hardware doesn't burst into flame. >> I think you were asking about a product that does #2 as compared to a #1. > Yes, That is what I am searching for. I looked at the SDL web site >and it appears that they only support BSDI & Linux on the UNIX side. Do >you know if they have FreeBSD support? > >Also: > > I talked with a company called Sangoma (www.sangoma.com) this >afternoon, they have a T1 product with integrated csu/dsu which is >relatively inexpensive (about $850 US). Currently the only driver >software for their cards is for NT, Linux and SCO. > >HOWEVER: They are willing to do a port of their driver software to >FreeBSD, if people are interested and tell them so. I've already cast my >vote with them... if this is something you are interested in as well, >please let them know. I spoke with Gideon Hack this afternoon, his email >is ghack@sangoma.com. > If anyone knows anything I should know about these cards or sangoma, >please let me know. If not, I'm going to lean on the higher-ups here to >help me with getting Sangoma to do the driver port, since the project I am >currently working on may require us to purchase some quantity of them. > >If this is something you are interested in, please drop Gideon a line. >Every email they get will push it a little higher on their priority list. > >Thanks, > >Jay K. > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 16:18:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00129 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:18:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29843 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:17:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA23455; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:16:25 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:16:25 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: "Alex G. Bulushev" cc: Jay , droberts@gwis.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: apache/freebsd limits on vhost servers In-Reply-To: <199805271406.SAA01384@sinbin.demos.su> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 27 May 1998, Alex G. Bulushev wrote: > we now successfully run 380 vhosts (ifconfig on fxp0, not lo0) on single PC > using 2 class C network and i think that this is not a limit > no problem with arp table But if you treated your box as the gateway to the 2 class Cs on lo0, your arp tables would be nice and small, anyway. Danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 16:37:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04240 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:37:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (root@gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com [207.113.159.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03991 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:35:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (root@sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.191]) by gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05838; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:35:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.194]) by sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10595; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gdonl@localhost) by salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA18811; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:34:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Lewis Message-Id: <199805272334.QAA18811@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:34:57 -0700 In-Reply-To: kbrown@primelink.com "strange named syslog entries" (May 27, 8:56am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: kbrown@primelink.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: strange named syslog entries Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On May 27, 8:56am, kbrown@primelink.com wrote: } Subject: strange named syslog entries } Time for another round of named syslog entries questions... } } After getting nailed by the latest round of exploit attempts of bind 4.9.3 } I recently upgraded to 8.1.1 and have been watching it very closely. } } Over the past couple of days, I have found the following entries in my } syslog which concern me: } } May 18 02:02:25 ns1 named[4752]: bad referral (29.206.in-addr.arpa !< } 125.29.206.in-addr.arpa) } May 18 02:02:25 ns1 named[4752]: bad referral (29.206.in-addr.arpa !< } 125.29.206.in-addr.arpa) } May 20 21:00:33 ns1 named[4752]: bad referral (com !< INFIND.com) } May 21 15:13:24 ns1 named[4752]: bad referral (com !< INFIND.com) } May 25 01:59:16 ns1 named[4752]: bad referral (83.72.170.38.in-addr.arpa !< } *.170.38.in-addr.arpa) } May 25 02:05:46 ns1 named[4752]: bad referral (2.181.165.38.in-addr.arpa !< } *.165.38.in-addr.arpa) } May 26 08:11:27 ns1 named[4752]: bad referral (ATT.net !< } NS.ELS-GMS.ATT.NET) } May 26 15:03:35 ns1 named[4752]: bad referral (com !< } microsoft-online-sales.com) } } What is the cause of this? Usually this is caused by missing NS records in the zone file at the top of the zone (at the same level as the SOA) on the server that your server queried. Newer versions of BIND will reject these zone files, but older ones will load them and return whatever NS records they find between the top of the zone and the root. BTW, you should upgrade to 8.1.2, since 8.1.1 has some memory leaks and is also has some exploitable bugs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 18:23:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25312 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 18:23:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gate.gateway.net.hk (qmailr@home.gateway.net.hk [202.76.19.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA25270 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 18:22:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmf@gate.gateway.net.hk) Received: (qmail 26461 invoked by uid 653); 28 May 1998 01:22:42 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:22:42 +0800 (CST) From: Bo Fussing To: Tony Li cc: Jay , "Louis A. Mamakos" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: T1+CSU/DSU card driver for FreeBSD (was: T1 CSU cards) In-Reply-To: <82zpg34fxv.fsf@chimp.juniper.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tony and Jay, On 27 May 1998, Tony Li wrote: > jay@oneway.com (Jay) writes: > > > Yes, That is what I am searching for. I looked at the SDL web site > > and it appears that they only support BSDI & Linux on the UNIX side. Do > > you know if they have FreeBSD support? > > > Yes. There is a driver written by John Hay for the SDL boards. However the drivers do not appear to support boards with the integrated CSU/DSU. Take a look at the man page for sr(4) . FWIW we run some standard SDL RISCom/2 boards under 2.2.6 with no problems. Regards, Bo F To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 19:47:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09156 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:47:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09099; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:46:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA05185; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd005141; Thu May 28 02:39:59 1998 Message-ID: <356CCE19.3F54BC7E@whistle.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 19:38:17 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG CC: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Please test/check (IPFW/NATD) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have made some changes to the IPFW code that changes slightly the semantics of IPFW. These changes are optiona at present but should become standard soon and should eventually go back into -stable (2.2.x) If you use IPFW you should check your rules to see if this affects you as it might make the filter behave differently to what you expect. If you do not use divert sockets, (e.g. NATD) then relax and go on your way.. if you DO, then read on... The change is presently optional. You need the undocumented option IPFW_DIVERT_RESTART to make it happen, but it is our intention to make it standard after a while so you should look at this. The change is that in the normal situation, a packet that is re-injected after diversion will no longer go back to the beginning of the filter, but instead will restart at (after) the point that it was diverted. If no major processing has occured before your divert rule then there is effectively no change... If your divert rule is a fair way into your filter set, then look at the rules before hand and think about whether not running those a second time in the reinjected packet may create a security hole. The reason for this change is because the original scheme was flawed in that you could not divert a packet twice. Doing so would lead to an infinite loop (for the packet). so for example the following was not possible: [rules set 1] divert for payload encryption [rules set 2..] divert for NATD [rules set 3] In the old scheme. the executed rules would be: [set 1] encryption [set 1] [set 2] natd [set 1] encryption [set 1] (etc) in the new scheme it is: {set 1] encryption [set 2] natd [set 3] I envision this becoming standard in a couple of weeks and really it should go back to 2.2.x in the common case (natd) [rules set 1] divert for NATD [rules set 2] The following should happen: old: [set 1] natd [set 1] [set 2] new: [set 1] natd [set 2] If your ruleset REQUIRES set 1 to be run twice please let me know so I can work out the common scenarios. the example for natd say to put the natd rule at the beginning so it should not affect people who followed this advice :-) julian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 21:15:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23010 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 21:15:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.sheltonbbs.com ([206.196.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA22984 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 21:15:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bbsadmin@mail.sheltonbbs.com) Received: from butch.sheltonbbs.com (butch.sheltonlink.com [206.196.122.12]) by mail.sheltonbbs.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA21017 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:15:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199805280415.XAA21017@mail.sheltonbbs.com> From: "Butch Evans" Organization: Shelton Internet, Inc. To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 23:13:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: E-mail to Fax Gateway Reply-to: bbsadmin@sheltonbbs.com X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I had a customer ask me today if I could set up a fax gateway for him. He wants to send e-mail and have the program send it out in the form of a fax. I can process the e-mail with perl (or whatever), but does such an animal already exist for FreeBSD? What hardware requirements would there be aside of an internal/external faxmodem? Any tips or suggestions? Thanks in advance. Butch Evans | SEMO's Finest Network Operations | Internet Service Provider Shelton Internet,Inc | Visit our Website at Malden, MO 63863 | http://www.sheltonbbs.com 1-800-339-4803 | 276-4803 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 21:39:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA27333 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 21:39:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA27323 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 21:39:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff@mercury.jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA22068; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:39:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 23:39:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Lynch To: Butch Evans cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: E-mail to Fax Gateway In-Reply-To: <199805280415.XAA21017@mail.sheltonbbs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 27 May 1998, Butch Evans wrote: > I had a customer ask me today if I could set up a fax gateway for him. He > wants to send e-mail and have the program send it out in the form of a > fax. I can process the e-mail with perl (or whatever), but does such an > animal already exist for FreeBSD? What hardware requirements would there > be aside of an internal/external faxmodem? Any tips or suggestions? > Thanks in advance. > > > Butch Evans | SEMO's Finest http://www.vix.com/hylafax ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 21:44:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28535 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 21:44:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (ulf@gatekeeper.Alameda.net [207.90.181.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28529 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 21:44:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ulf@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net) Received: by Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) id VAA01455; Wed, 27 May 1998 21:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980527214457.E21913@Alameda.net> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 21:44:57 -0700 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: bbsadmin@sheltonbbs.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: E-mail to Fax Gateway Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net References: <199805280415.XAA21017@mail.sheltonbbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199805280415.XAA21017@mail.sheltonbbs.com>; from Butch Evans on Wed, May 27, 1998 at 11:13:08PM -0500 Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 27, 1998 at 11:13:08PM -0500, Butch Evans wrote: > I had a customer ask me today if I could set up a fax gateway for him. He > wants to send e-mail and have the program send it out in the form of a > fax. I can process the e-mail with perl (or whatever), but does such an > animal already exist for FreeBSD? What hardware requirements would there > be aside of an internal/external faxmodem? Any tips or suggestions? > Thanks in advance. Take a look at http://www.tpc.int/ > > > Butch Evans | SEMO's Finest > Network Operations | Internet Service Provider > Shelton Internet,Inc | Visit our Website at > Malden, MO 63863 | http://www.sheltonbbs.com > 1-800-339-4803 | 276-4803 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 23:37:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA11898 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:37:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kremvax.demos.su (kremvax.demos.su [194.87.0.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA11889 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:37:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sinbin.demos.su!bag@kremvax.demos.su) Received: by kremvax.demos.su (8.6.13/D) from 0@sinbin.demos.su [194.87.5.31] with ESMTP id KAA21066; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:27:50 +0400 Received: by sinbin.demos.su id KAA11563; (8.6.12/D) Thu, 28 May 1998 10:26:56 +0400 From: bag@sinbin.demos.su (Alex G. Bulushev) Message-Id: <199805280626.KAA11563@sinbin.demos.su> Subject: Re: apache/freebsd limits on vhost servers In-Reply-To: from "Daniel O'Callaghan" at "May 28, 98 09:16:25 am" X-ELM-OSV: (Our standard violations) no-mime=1; no-hdr-encoding=1 To: danny@panda.hilink.com.au (Daniel O'Callaghan) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:26:55 +0400 (MSD) Cc: jay@oneway.com, droberts@gwis.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > On Wed, 27 May 1998, Alex G. Bulushev wrote: > > > we now successfully run 380 vhosts (ifconfig on fxp0, not lo0) on single PC > > using 2 class C network and i think that this is not a limit > > no problem with arp table > > But if you treated your box as the gateway to the 2 class Cs on lo0, your > arp tables would be nice and small, anyway. correct, but in the case of aliases on fxp0 we can use random addresses from the same network on several hosts, this is useful for ip-interfaces migration to another host when primary host filed (fs mounted via nfs or coda) ~1000 arp entryes is not a problem yet :) what about some hashing for arp and interface tables ? Alex. > > Danny > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 27 23:52:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13764 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:52:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kremvax.demos.su (kremvax.demos.su [194.87.0.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA13759 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:52:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sinbin.demos.su!bag@kremvax.demos.su) Received: by kremvax.demos.su (8.6.13/D) from 0@sinbin.demos.su [194.87.5.31] with ESMTP id KAA27967; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:46:52 +0400 Received: by sinbin.demos.su id KAA19444; (8.6.12/D) Thu, 28 May 1998 10:46:06 +0400 From: bag@sinbin.demos.su (Alex G. Bulushev) Message-Id: <199805280646.KAA19444@sinbin.demos.su> Subject: Re: apache/freebsd limits on vhost servers In-Reply-To: from "Cliff Addy" at "May 27, 98 01:54:06 pm" X-ELM-OSV: (Our standard violations) no-mime=1; no-hdr-encoding=1 To: fbsdlist@federation.addy.com (Cliff Addy) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:46:06 +0400 (MSD) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Wed, 27 May 1998, Alex G. Bulushev wrote: > > > separate logs usefull for vhosts users, we use separate logs for 380 vhosts > > but FD_SETSIZE = 8192 > > Where/how do you set this? /usr/include/sys/types.h says it can be set by > the user, but does not say where or how. u can change FD_SETSIZE in /usr/include/sys/types.h using vi and than rebuild libc and aplications or simply make world ... Alex. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 28 00:49:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA22192 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 00:49:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.actrix.gen.nz (root@mail.actrix.gen.nz [203.96.16.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA22172 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 00:49:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (aniwa.actrix.gen.nz [203.96.56.186]) by mail.actrix.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA17555; Thu, 28 May 1998 19:48:42 +1200 (NZST) X-Sender: andrew@192.168.1.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 19:51:27 +1200 To: Butch Evans From: andrew@squiz.co.nz (Andrew McNaughton) Subject: Re: E-mail to Fax Gateway Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 4:39 PM 28/5/98, Jeff Lynch wrote: >On Wed, 27 May 1998, Butch Evans wrote: > >> I had a customer ask me today if I could set up a fax gateway for him. He >> wants to send e-mail and have the program send it out in the form of a >> fax. I can process the e-mail with perl (or whatever), but does such an >> animal already exist for FreeBSD? What hardware requirements would there >> be aside of an internal/external faxmodem? Any tips or suggestions? >> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> Butch Evans | SEMO's Finest > >http://www.vix.com/hylafax > I looked into this a while back, and hylafax seems to be the package in widespread use. I also came to the conclusion that this was a good job to outsource because long distance email is so much cheaper than toll costs, and we are not in a position to set up a network of fax servers around the country, whereas companies specialising in this have fax servers around the major centers. Andrew McNaughton ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Andrew McNaughton = ++64 4 389 6891 Any sufficiently advanced = andrew@squiz.co.nz bug is indistinguishable = http://www.newsroom.co from a feature. = -- Rich Kulawiec = To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 28 04:55:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA27784 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 04:55:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [195.50.91.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA27779 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 04:55:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from manar@ivision.co.uk) Received: from pretender.ivision.co.uk [195.50.91.43] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #2) id 0yf1H0-0003Lv-00; Thu, 28 May 1998 12:55:06 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980528125401.009d1100@stingray.ivision.co.uk> X-Sender: manarpop@stingray.ivision.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:54:01 +0100 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Manar Hussain Subject: Re: apache/freebsd limits on vhost servers In-Reply-To: <19980528013528.06899@demos.su> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >We have hosts with up to 400 httpd's + some 200-300 ftpd's on each of them - >it's ok. As for what can be maximum, seems like there are no real troubles >on getting more on each poor box given: there was some mail ~year/year and a >half ago, claiming it's possible to get >1024 vh's on one machine. May have been me - I know a company with 1600 web sites on one machine. Not something I'd do but it was certainly coping well enough with 1000. Manar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 28 05:36:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04329 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 05:36:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04274; Thu, 28 May 1998 05:36:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luiz@nlink.com.br) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by mirage.nlink.com.br (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA01223; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:34:12 -0300 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:34:12 -0300 (EST) From: Luiz de Barros To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG, support@etinc.com cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Cabling problems with etinc? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear ALL, We purchased an Etinc 5025PQ PCI quad syncronous E1/T1/Fractional card and are havind a few problems putting it to work with more than 64Kbps. We have a 256Kbps fractional E1 link provided by the TELCO via an HDSL Termination Unit and a G.703 to V.35 E1 converter. We would like to make a FreeBSD router, connecting our various networks and holding our connection to internet. The whole setup works fine with a cisco on the other side and IBM, Cisco and Cyclades routers here at our ISP (Same CSU/DSU cable, connecting the V.35 cable with the V.35 DTE cable from the router ). Etinc keeps saying it is a clable problem, CSU/DSU problem, but how does it work with any router? I configured etinc port to PPP, HDLC, internal, external clock, changed ifconfig parameters according to the manual and i am not being able to put the link up and IP packets going from one side to the other at 256Kbps. I purchased etinc because of good recomendations here on the list but as i could see, the support from etinc is not as good as it should be. Did anybody already experienced any similar situation? Do i need to change etinc's cable? Does anybody know of any other card that can work in this situation? I have heard of many other choices of Sync cards and maybe next time i will use another card, that can give me support to work with more than 64Kbps. I used to recomend etinc to my friends because of its support to FreeBSD, a Robust system with full support from the developers, etc but now i am quite disappointed with etinc's support. Luiz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 28 07:38:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23048 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 07:38:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23040 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 07:38:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA09703 for isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 May 1998 07:37:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 07:37:39 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199805281437.HAA09703@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Changes to /etc/mail/sendmail.cf.additions Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 18:47:24 +0100 (BST) >From: Scot Elliott >On the subject of the new Sendmail version... anyone know if there are >nice M4-features/hacks that let you just turn relaying etc on/off with >just a simple line in your .mc file? I haven't had a chance to look at it >yet... fiddling with sendmail rules scare the hell out of me to be honest The Web page at http://www.sendmail.org/ has a pointer to Claus Assman's page, which has information on his anti-relaying rulesets (which are enabled by specifying the appropriate "hacks" in your .mc file). Please note that they are designed to work with sendmail 8.x earlier than 8.9; 8.9 has built-in anti-relay features. (In fact, it doesn't relay by default.) I strongly recommend that .cf files should only be generated (via "make") from a corresponding .mc file (and the requisite tree of .m4 files, of course) -- I've managed to use the approach successfully for the last 4+ years: treat the .mc files as "source" and .cf files as "object". And as a slight tangent: I recently had occasion to notice that sendmail can be compiled with support for using "libwrap" from Wietse Venema's TCP wrappers package. I built sendmail 8.8.8 with this support (on my home machine), and am thus able to prevent spammers from connecting to its SMTP port.... The attempts are logged, and I send nastygrams to appropriate folks.... david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 28 08:13:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA26937 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:13:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA26927 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:13:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA02497; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805281523.LAA02497@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:21:01 -0400 To: Luiz de Barros , isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Dennis Subject: Re: Cabling problems with etinc? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:34 AM 5/28/98 -0300, Luiz de Barros wrote: >Dear ALL, > >We purchased an Etinc 5025PQ PCI quad syncronous E1/T1/Fractional card and >are havind a few problems putting it to work with more than 64Kbps. >We have a 256Kbps fractional E1 link provided by the TELCO via an HDSL >Termination Unit and a G.703 to V.35 E1 converter. > >We would like to make a FreeBSD router, connecting our various networks >and holding our connection to internet. > >The whole setup works fine with a cisco on the other side and IBM, Cisco >and Cyclades routers here at our ISP (Same CSU/DSU cable, connecting the >V.35 cable with the V.35 DTE cable from the router ). Etinc keeps saying >it is a clable problem, CSU/DSU problem, but how does it work with any >router? > >I configured etinc port to PPP, HDLC, internal, external clock, changed >ifconfig parameters according to the manual and i am not being able to put >the link up and IP packets going from one side to the other at 256Kbps. > >I purchased etinc because of good recomendations here on the list but as i >could see, the support from etinc is not as good as it should be. Did >anybody already experienced any similar situation? Do i need to change >etinc's cable? Does anybody know of any other card that can work in this >situation? > >I have heard of many other choices of Sync cards and maybe next time i >will use another card, that can give me support to work with more than >64Kbps. I used to recomend etinc to my friends because of its support to >FreeBSD, a Robust system with full support from the developers, etc but >now i am quite disappointed with etinc's support. We cannot "support" an electrical problem, because we cannot do anything for you over the phone. V.35 is V.35, we've sold thousands of cards, so what can we do if you are using some hokey converter? Get (rent/borrow/whateva) a V.35 breakout box and look at the signals to make certain you are getting clocks on both transmit and receive. When you run hdlccfg and there is transmit clock present, the processor will begin sending data so you should see transmit data. Its very simple...no clock, no data. All the board wants is clock to send, and it will clock in any data in the presence of receive clock. Dont screw around with the settings, which is why i gave up on you, because you dont know what they do and all you are doing is making the problem more difficult to debug. With a CSU you use external clock, period. Unfortunatly most people in this business dont understand datacomm, and this kind of problem requires skills on your end. If you cant do it, find someone who can. I can't do it on the phone. Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 28 08:15:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27329 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:15:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA27276; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:15:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA02507; Thu, 28 May 1998 11:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805281525.LAA02507@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:23:11 -0400 To: Luiz de Barros , isp@FreeBSD.ORG, support@etinc.com From: Dennis Subject: Re: Cabling problems with etinc? Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:34 AM 5/28/98 -0300, Luiz de Barros wrote: >Dear ALL, > >We purchased an Etinc 5025PQ PCI quad syncronous E1/T1/Fractional card and >are havind a few problems putting it to work with more than 64Kbps. >We have a 256Kbps fractional E1 link provided by the TELCO via an HDSL >Termination Unit and a G.703 to V.35 E1 converter. You say "greater than 64kbs...does that imply that you have it working at lower speeds or on some other connection? If so, there is no difference for the higher speed...you should use EXACTLY the same settings. the board uses the same setting @ 64kbs and 2Mbs. > >We would like to make a FreeBSD router, connecting our various networks >and holding our connection to internet. > >The whole setup works fine with a cisco on the other side and IBM, Cisco >and Cyclades routers here at our ISP (Same CSU/DSU cable, connecting the >V.35 cable with the V.35 DTE cable from the router ). Etinc keeps saying >it is a clable problem, CSU/DSU problem, but how does it work with any >router? > >I configured etinc port to PPP, HDLC, internal, external clock, changed >ifconfig parameters according to the manual and i am not being able to put >the link up and IP packets going from one side to the other at 256Kbps. > >I purchased etinc because of good recomendations here on the list but as i >could see, the support from etinc is not as good as it should be. Did >anybody already experienced any similar situation? Do i need to change >etinc's cable? Does anybody know of any other card that can work in this >situation? > >I have heard of many other choices of Sync cards and maybe next time i >will use another card, that can give me support to work with more than >64Kbps. I used to recomend etinc to my friends because of its support to >FreeBSD, a Robust system with full support from the developers, etc but >now i am quite disappointed with etinc's support. > >Luiz > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 28 08:29:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA29172 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:29:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mexcom.net (ver2-101.uninet.net.mx [200.38.135.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA29125; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:29:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@ver1.telmex.net.mx) Received: from sunix (telmex@sunix.mexcom.net [206.103.64.3]) by ns.mexcom.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA23070; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:24:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <356D81FC.4DD7438A@ver1.telmex.net.mx> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:25:48 -0500 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates, S.C. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.14 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luiz de Barros CC: isp@FreeBSD.ORG, support@etinc.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cabling problems with etinc? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Luiz de Barros wrote: > > Dear ALL, > > We purchased an Etinc 5025PQ PCI quad syncronous E1/T1/Fractional card and > are havind a few problems putting it to work with more than 64Kbps. > We have a 256Kbps fractional E1 link provided by the TELCO via an HDSL > Termination Unit and a G.703 to V.35 E1 converter. > > We would like to make a FreeBSD router, connecting our various networks > and holding our connection to internet. > > The whole setup works fine with a cisco on the other side and IBM, Cisco > and Cyclades routers here at our ISP (Same CSU/DSU cable, connecting the > V.35 cable with the V.35 DTE cable from the router ). Etinc keeps saying > it is a clable problem, CSU/DSU problem, but how does it work with any > router? Why would you want to connect your etinc card to/through your cisco? Isn't that defeating the purpose? What I would want, would be remove the cisco or if it were necessary for another connection use ethernet between it and my FreeBSD ROUTER. Maybe I'm on another channel, and if I am please desregard the question. ed P.D. I think the problem is cable incompatability. I think Dennis once made that observation on the list. > > I configured etinc port to PPP, HDLC, internal, external clock, changed > ifconfig parameters according to the manual and i am not being able to put > the link up and IP packets going from one side to the other at 256Kbps. > > I purchased etinc because of good recomendations here on the list but as i > could see, the support from etinc is not as good as it should be. Did > anybody already experienced any similar situation? Do i need to change > etinc's cable? Does anybody know of any other card that can work in this > situation? > > I have heard of many other choices of Sync cards and maybe next time i > will use another card, that can give me support to work with more than > 64Kbps. I used to recomend etinc to my friends because of its support to > FreeBSD, a Robust system with full support from the developers, etc but > now i am quite disappointed with etinc's support. > > Luiz > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 28 09:25:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05734 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:25:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05721; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:25:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199805281625.JAA05721@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Changes to /etc/mail/sendmail.cf.additions In-Reply-To: from Scot Elliott at "May 27, 98 06:47:24 pm" To: scot@poptart.org (Scot Elliott) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Scot Elliott wrote: > On the subject of the new Sendmail version... anyone know if there are > nice M4-features/hacks that let you just turn relaying etc on/off with > just a simple line in your .mc file? I haven't had a chance to look at it > yet... fiddling with sendmail rules scare the hell out of me to be honest > ;) dont be scared, learn sendmail well, then you too can wear a shirt that says: will hack sendmail.cf for food. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 28 10:14:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11242 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:14:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11201; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:14:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luiz@nlink.com.br) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by mirage.nlink.com.br (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA08365; Thu, 28 May 1998 14:11:11 -0300 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:11:11 -0300 (EST) From: Luiz de Barros To: Edwin Culp cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG, support@etinc.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cabling problems with etinc? In-Reply-To: <356D81FC.4DD7438A@ver1.telmex.net.mx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Edwin and ALL, I think i was not very clear. We have now a pathrouter here and a Cisco 2509 router on the other side ( The backbone presence provider ). The connection is at 256Kbps via fractional E1. I would like to put one of the ports from etinc ( 0 or 1 ) connected to the CSU/DSU ( Converter ) and take out the cyclades router ( FreeBSD is quite better than a single router ). My CSU/DSU has a V.35 cable that works very fine with no problem if i connect it to a Cyclades, Cisco, IBM router but not with etinc ( putting etinc instead of the router ). I thought it could be a cable incompatibility but it seems quite strange, as all routers work with it. I tryed connecting RXclockA to TxclockA and TxclockB to RxclockB on etinc but it did not work as well. Why should the converter not work with etinc and work with a router? Luiz On Thu, 28 May 1998, Edwin Culp wrote: > Luiz de Barros wrote: > > > > Dear ALL, > > > > We purchased an Etinc 5025PQ PCI quad syncronous E1/T1/Fractional card and > > are havind a few problems putting it to work with more than 64Kbps. > > We have a 256Kbps fractional E1 link provided by the TELCO via an HDSL > > Termination Unit and a G.703 to V.35 E1 converter. > > > > We would like to make a FreeBSD router, connecting our various networks > > and holding our connection to internet. > > > > The whole setup works fine with a cisco on the other side and IBM, Cisco > > and Cyclades routers here at our ISP (Same CSU/DSU cable, connecting the > > V.35 cable with the V.35 DTE cable from the router ). Etinc keeps saying > > it is a clable problem, CSU/DSU problem, but how does it work with any > > router? > Why would you want to connect your etinc card to/through your cisco? > Isn't that defeating the purpose? What I would want, would be remove > the cisco or if it were necessary for another connection use ethernet > between it and my FreeBSD ROUTER. Maybe I'm on another channel, and > if I am please desregard the question. > > ed > > P.D. I think the problem is cable incompatability. I think Dennis once > made that observation on the list. > > > > I configured etinc port to PPP, HDLC, internal, external clock, changed > > ifconfig parameters according to the manual and i am not being able to put > > the link up and IP packets going from one side to the other at 256Kbps. > > > > I purchased etinc because of good recomendations here on the list but as i > > could see, the support from etinc is not as good as it should be. Did > > anybody already experienced any similar situation? Do i need to change > > etinc's cable? Does anybody know of any other card that can work in this > > situation? > > > > I have heard of many other choices of Sync cards and maybe next time i > > will use another card, that can give me support to work with more than > > 64Kbps. I used to recomend etinc to my friends because of its support to > > FreeBSD, a Robust system with full support from the developers, etc but > > now i am quite disappointed with etinc's support. > > > > Luiz > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 28 10:25:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12534 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:25:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12521 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:25:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luiz@nlink.com.br) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by mirage.nlink.com.br (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA08703; Thu, 28 May 1998 14:22:39 -0300 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:22:39 -0300 (EST) From: Luiz de Barros To: Dennis cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cabling problems with etinc? In-Reply-To: <199805281523.LAA02497@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Dennis and All, What i cannot undertand is WHY this CSU works with Cisco, IBM, Cyclades Router but not with etinc. Isn't it a quite strange "Electrical problem"? I will try to get a V.35 breakout box with the Telco and see what i get. Luiz On Thu, 28 May 1998, Dennis wrote: > At 09:34 AM 5/28/98 -0300, Luiz de Barros wrote: > >Dear ALL, > > > >We purchased an Etinc 5025PQ PCI quad syncronous E1/T1/Fractional card and > >are havind a few problems putting it to work with more than 64Kbps. > >We have a 256Kbps fractional E1 link provided by the TELCO via an HDSL > >Termination Unit and a G.703 to V.35 E1 converter. > > > >We would like to make a FreeBSD router, connecting our various networks > >and holding our connection to internet. > > > >The whole setup works fine with a cisco on the other side and IBM, Cisco > >and Cyclades routers here at our ISP (Same CSU/DSU cable, connecting the > >V.35 cable with the V.35 DTE cable from the router ). Etinc keeps saying > >it is a clable problem, CSU/DSU problem, but how does it work with any > >router? > > > >I configured etinc port to PPP, HDLC, internal, external clock, changed > >ifconfig parameters according to the manual and i am not being able to put > >the link up and IP packets going from one side to the other at 256Kbps. > > > >I purchased etinc because of good recomendations here on the list but as i > >could see, the support from etinc is not as good as it should be. Did > >anybody already experienced any similar situation? Do i need to change > >etinc's cable? Does anybody know of any other card that can work in this > >situation? > > > >I have heard of many other choices of Sync cards and maybe next time i > >will use another card, that can give me support to work with more than > >64Kbps. I used to recomend etinc to my friends because of its support to > >FreeBSD, a Robust system with full support from the developers, etc but > >now i am quite disappointed with etinc's support. > > We cannot "support" an electrical problem, because we cannot do anything > for you over the phone. V.35 is V.35, we've sold thousands of cards, so what > can we do if you are using some hokey converter? > > Get (rent/borrow/whateva) a V.35 breakout box and look at the signals to make > certain you are getting clocks on both transmit and receive. When you run > hdlccfg and there is transmit clock present, the processor will begin > sending data > so you should see transmit data. Its very simple...no clock, no data. All > the board > wants is clock to send, and it will clock in any data in the presence of > receive clock. > > Dont screw around with the settings, which is why i gave up on you, because > you > dont know what they do and all you are doing is making the problem more > difficult > to debug. With a CSU you use external clock, period. > > Unfortunatly most people in this business dont understand datacomm, and > this kind > of problem requires skills on your end. If you cant do it, find someone who > can. I can't > do it on the phone. > > Dennis > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 28 10:29:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13131 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:29:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12824; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:27:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luiz@nlink.com.br) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by mirage.nlink.com.br (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA08770; Thu, 28 May 1998 14:24:41 -0300 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:24:41 -0300 (EST) From: Luiz de Barros To: Dennis cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG, support@etinc.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cabling problems with etinc? In-Reply-To: <199805281525.LAA02507@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have everything working ok at 64Kbps on other connection and a Cyclades connected to a Cisco on the other side at 256Kbps. I would like to connect Etinc instead of cyclades here and it does not work. Luiz On Thu, 28 May 1998, Dennis wrote: > At 09:34 AM 5/28/98 -0300, Luiz de Barros wrote: > >Dear ALL, > > > >We purchased an Etinc 5025PQ PCI quad syncronous E1/T1/Fractional card and > >are havind a few problems putting it to work with more than 64Kbps. > >We have a 256Kbps fractional E1 link provided by the TELCO via an HDSL > >Termination Unit and a G.703 to V.35 E1 converter. > > You say "greater than 64kbs...does that imply that you have it working at > lower > speeds or on some other connection? If so, there is no difference for the > higher > speed...you should use EXACTLY the same settings. the board uses the same > setting @ 64kbs and 2Mbs. > > > >We would like to make a FreeBSD router, connecting our various networks > >and holding our connection to internet. > > > >The whole setup works fine with a cisco on the other side and IBM, Cisco > >and Cyclades routers here at our ISP (Same CSU/DSU cable, connecting the > >V.35 cable with the V.35 DTE cable from the router ). Etinc keeps saying > >it is a clable problem, CSU/DSU problem, but how does it work with any > >router? > > > >I configured etinc port to PPP, HDLC, internal, external clock, changed > >ifconfig parameters according to the manual and i am not being able to put > >the link up and IP packets going from one side to the other at 256Kbps. > > > >I purchased etinc because of good recomendations here on the list but as i > >could see, the support from etinc is not as good as it should be. Did > >anybody already experienced any similar situation? Do i need to change > >etinc's cable? Does anybody know of any other card that can work in this > >situation? > > > >I have heard of many other choices of Sync cards and maybe next time i > >will use another card, that can give me support to work with more than > >64Kbps. I used to recomend etinc to my friends because of its support to > >FreeBSD, a Robust system with full support from the developers, etc but > >now i am quite disappointed with etinc's support. > > > >Luiz > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 28 12:40:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06299 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 12:40:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ovbis01.ovb.ch (ovbis01.ovb.ch [195.65.24.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA06273 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 12:40:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ovb@ovb.ch) Received: from zhwbs-e1-15.limmat.ch [194.191.121.215] by ovbis01.ovb.ch with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yf8Xa-0005gN-00; Thu, 28 May 1998 21:40:43 +0200 From: ovb@ovb.ch (Oliver von Bueren) To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall software Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 19:40:31 GMT Organization: private Message-ID: <3570b5e6.1286776386@mail.ovb.ch> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id MAA06287 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 25 May 1998 18:49:24 +0800, you wrote: >Does anyone have any recommendation for a firewall software to use on >the FreeBSD box? >I have been referred to Gauntlett and Checkpoint Firewall-1. How do >they compare? Or would they be an overkill and instead I should use >simply ipfw that comes with freeBSD? I'd suggest you take a look into fwtk v1.3, this is what is in the port collection, or take the original directly from http://www.tis.com/, last time I checked the current version was at 2.0 something. This is the small brother of Gauntlett, without all the mess with the configuration tools, which you don't need anyway, you know better what you do if you do it yourself. I think it's still free to use. ipfw is IMHO not a firewall but a packet filter which you can use to build kind of a firewall. You need to know if you want a maximum security solution, the I would strongly discourage to use any software that forwards ip packets in favor of a proxy aproach, which is what fwtk is. Cheers, Oliver To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 28 13:06:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12988 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:06:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12508; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:05:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA00276; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd000274; Thu May 28 20:02:14 1998 Message-ID: <356DC2C3.794BDF32@whistle.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:02:11 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luiz de Barros CC: Edwin Culp , isp@FreeBSD.ORG, support@etinc.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cabling problems with etinc? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Luiz de Barros wrote: > > Dear Edwin and ALL, > > I think i was not very clear. > We have now a pathrouter here and a Cisco 2509 router on the other side ( > The backbone presence provider ). The connection is at 256Kbps via > fractional E1. > I would like to put one of the ports from etinc ( 0 or 1 ) connected to > the CSU/DSU ( Converter ) and take out the cyclades router ( FreeBSD is > quite better than a single router ). > My CSU/DSU has a V.35 cable that works very fine with no problem if i > connect it to a Cyclades, Cisco, IBM router but not with etinc ( putting > etinc instead of the router ). > I thought it could be a cable incompatibility but it seems quite strange, > as all routers work with it. I tryed connecting RXclockA to TxclockA and > TxclockB to RxclockB on etinc but it did not work as well. Why should the > converter not work with etinc and work with a router? > > Luiz >From memory etinc used a slightly non standard pinout. to make an etinc cable work on a standard router: on the DB25 end you need to have the wire that goes to 11 go to 13 instead and the wire that goes to pin 17 go to 23 instead and the wir ethat goes to 9 should go to 17 obviously, reverse these to get a standard cable to work on an etinc card. At least that's what I have in my notes.. I once needed a DB25 to V35 cable and had an etinc card so I canibalised it's cable. I needed to make these changes (or something similar) to make it work on a router. so the answer is: Use the etinc cable on the etinc board and don't get it confused or mixed in with the other cables or you'll give yourself trouble. julian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 28 17:28:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04079 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:28:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Rigel.orionsys.com (rigel.orionsys.com [205.148.224.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03973 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:27:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbabler@Rigel.orionsys.com) Received: from localhost (dbabler@localhost) by Rigel.orionsys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA02698 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:27:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbabler@Rigel.orionsys.com) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:27:26 -0700 (PDT) From: David Babler To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ISDN Terminal Adaptor recommendation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a customer who is asking me for a full-time ISDN connection. I currently run just POTS lines with analog modems for dialups, so I would need to get an ISDN TA to accomodate him - anybody have any recommendations for brands/models for just a single BRI? It would be for direct serial connection (AFAIK) to the FreeBSD system and user PPP, probably only a single 64k channel. TIA! -Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 28 17:39:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA06684 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:39:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA06505 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:38:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luiz@nlink.com.br) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by mirage.nlink.com.br (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA19205; Thu, 28 May 1998 21:34:54 -0300 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 21:34:54 -0300 (EST) From: Luiz de Barros To: Julian Elischer cc: Edwin Culp , isp@FreeBSD.ORG, support@etinc.com Subject: Re: Cabling problems with etinc? In-Reply-To: <356DC2C3.794BDF32@whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Julian, Edwin, Dennis, ALL, Lets see if i understood. I need to change these pins on the Standard V.35(DB-25 side ) cable bundled with the FCD-2L V.35 converter, ok? Do you have the V.35 to DB-25 cable ( the one that comes with the converter ) pinout? As i did not have the pinout, i made my own cable and tryed connecting some clocks like Rx and TXDCE, etc with no success. Does anybody have etinc's non-standard V.35 cable pinouts? Luiz On Thu, 28 May 1998, Julian Elischer wrote: > Luiz de Barros wrote: > > > > Dear Edwin and ALL, > > > > I think i was not very clear. > > We have now a pathrouter here and a Cisco 2509 router on the other side ( > > The backbone presence provider ). The connection is at 256Kbps via > > fractional E1. > > I would like to put one of the ports from etinc ( 0 or 1 ) connected to > > the CSU/DSU ( Converter ) and take out the cyclades router ( FreeBSD is > > quite better than a single router ). > > My CSU/DSU has a V.35 cable that works very fine with no problem if i > > connect it to a Cyclades, Cisco, IBM router but not with etinc ( putting > > etinc instead of the router ). > > I thought it could be a cable incompatibility but it seems quite strange, > > as all routers work with it. I tryed connecting RXclockA to TxclockA and > > TxclockB to RxclockB on etinc but it did not work as well. Why should the > > converter not work with etinc and work with a router? > > > > Luiz > > >From memory etinc used a slightly non standard pinout. > to make an etinc cable work on a standard router: Hummmmm..... I want to connect it to a Converter? Is the DB-25 cable you are talking about the one from the converter, isn't it? > > on the DB25 end you need to have the wire that goes to 11 go to 13 > instead > and the wire that goes to pin 17 go to 23 instead > and the wir ethat goes to 9 should go to 17 > > obviously, reverse these to get a standard cable to work on an etinc > card. Reverse? Could you explain in more detail? > Ok. > At least that's what I have in my notes.. > > I once needed a DB25 to V35 cable and had an etinc card > so I canibalised it's cable. I needed to make these changes > (or something similar) to make it work on a router. > > so the answer is: > Use the etinc cable on the etinc board and don't get it confused > or mixed in with the other cables or you'll give yourself trouble. > > julian > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 28 18:47:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18845 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:47:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (ulf@gatekeeper.Alameda.net [207.90.181.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18837 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:47:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ulf@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net) Received: by Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) id SAA29167; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980528184750.A23358@Alameda.net> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 18:47:50 -0700 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: David Babler , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISDN Terminal Adaptor recommendation Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from David Babler on Thu, May 28, 1998 at 05:27:26PM -0700 Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 28, 1998 at 05:27:26PM -0700, David Babler wrote: > > I have a customer who is asking me for a full-time ISDN connection. I > currently run just POTS lines with analog modems for dialups, so I would > need to get an ISDN TA to accomodate him - anybody have any > recommendations for brands/models for just a single BRI? It would be for > direct serial connection (AFAIK) to the FreeBSD system and user PPP, > probably only a single 64k channel. I would not use a TA for that. Use a standalone router, like Netgear RT328. Cost $320, almost same price as a TA, but has Ethernet build in. > > TIA! > > -Dave > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 28 19:02:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA21273 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 19:02:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns2.cetlink.net (root@ns2.cetlink.net [209.54.54.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA21201 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 19:02:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jak@cetlink.net) Received: from EXIT10 (i485-gw.cetlink.net [209.198.15.97]) by ns2.cetlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA29430; Thu, 28 May 1998 22:02:01 -0400 (EDT) From: jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly) To: Luiz de Barros Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cabling problems with etinc? Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 02:04:26 GMT Message-ID: <35701727.479044805@mail.cetlink.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id TAA21226 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 28 May 1998 09:34:12 -0300 (EST), Luiz de Barros wrote: >I have heard of many other choices of Sync cards and maybe next time i >will use another card, that can give me support to work with more than >64Kbps. I used to recomend etinc to my friends because of its support to >FreeBSD, a Robust system with full support from the developers, etc but >now i am quite disappointed with etinc's support. Another dissatisfied Dennis' customer, big surprise. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 28 20:24:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA05556 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:24:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from divre5.telkom.co.id ([202.134.0.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA05434; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:23:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sandy@divre5.telkom.co.id) Received: from ars by divre5.telkom.co.id (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA04442; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:13:47 -0700 Message-ID: <000501bd8ab1$af345990$7305600a@ars.divre5.net> From: "Arisandy" To: "question-freebsd" , "isp-freebsd" Subject: ppp -alias Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:27:17 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I use ppp -auto -alias now....for 3 client.... how can I protects others....to join my ppp -auto -alias when he knows ip setting......??? why the ICQ anda mRC athough I only alias the http and ftp??? thanx all To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 29 01:30:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA02407 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 01:30:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from luke.cpl.net (luke.cpl.net [209.150.92.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA02396 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 01:30:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shawn@luke.cpl.net) Received: (from shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA23747; Fri, 29 May 1998 01:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980529012911.42426@cpl.net> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 01:29:11 -0700 From: Shawn Ramsey To: John Kelly , Luiz de Barros Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cabling problems with etinc? References: <35701727.479044805@mail.cetlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <35701727.479044805@mail.cetlink.net>; from John Kelly on Fri, May 29, 1998 at 02:04:26AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Thu, 28 May 1998 09:34:12 -0300 (EST), Luiz de Barros > wrote: > > >I have heard of many other choices of Sync cards and maybe next time i > >will use another card, that can give me support to work with more than > >64Kbps. I used to recomend etinc to my friends because of its support to > >FreeBSD, a Robust system with full support from the developers, etc but > >now i am quite disappointed with etinc's support. > > Another dissatisfied Dennis' customer, big surprise. Another satisfied customer here. But I have never needed support of any sort, other than a working driver. (at least not from Dennis). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 29 06:06:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA00258 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:06:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA00207 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:06:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA28826; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:08:47 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:08:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Josh cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 26 May 1998, Josh wrote: > On Tue, 26 May 1998, Kim Shrier wrote: > > Firewall-1 only runs on NT > > and uses "statefull inspection" as its method of providing protection. > > This is considered to be less secure than proxies. Since maintaining > > anything on NT is a pain, I usually avoid NT if at all possible. > > Actually, firewall-1 will run on NT, HP-UX, AIX, Solaris and SunOS. The > firewall client that is used to maintain firewall-1 can be run from > windows95/nt or an a motif application under xwindows, regardless of which > type of platform the engine runs on. It is true that stateful inspection > does not offer the same protection that a proxing system might for a > particular protocol, but it does provide protection independent of > application level protocol (ie it's modular). It's also very common to > combine firewall-1 with some type of a proxy server to provide greater > protection. It is also true that their approach has at least one benefit: it's fast. All the crucial code sits inside the kernel (the rules are compiled by the user-space program and then downoladed to the kernel module). It also has some drawbacks: GUI front-end requires you to constantly click to and fro in order to do some simple things. It finally produces ASCII config file, but if you try to edit it yourself, be prepared for something which looks like LISP or ASN.1 - it's not easy to prepare it manually, so you are bound to use the GUI... I also observed something which looks like erroneous packets when using translation... but it might be the pilot's error. Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 29 06:37:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA23270 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:37:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from simba.mpinet.net (vacant.mpinet.net [208.6.196.14] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA23209 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:37:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@mpinet.net) Received: from [207.203.248.34] by simba.mpinet.net (NTMail 3.03.0017/42.aadq) with ESMTP id oa452206 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:37:16 +0100 X-Sender: brian@mail.mpinet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Demo Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:37:15 -0400 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brian Lube Subject: Bind revisited Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <13371622019371@mpinet.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm currently working on securing up our BSD box, I apologize in advance if this has already been beaten to death, but what is the best way to secure my copy of bind? Should I upgrade to 8.1.1 and then keep up to date with patches, or is there going to be some sort of update for the 4 series? We are currently looking to upgrade to the 8.1.1 series, but we're not really sure how much work it is going to entail. Any suggestions on this would be greatly appreciated. Brian Lube senior technician MPInet http://www.mpinet.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 29 08:11:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA04228 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:11:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from amber.ecom.net (ns1.ecom.net [207.155.73.10] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04119 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:11:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntrkcasa (b242.ecom.net [207.13.225.242]) by amber.ecom.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA23951; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:10:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980529080750.03971150@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:07:50 -0700 To: Shawn Ramsey , John Kelly , Luiz de Barros From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: Cabling problems with etinc? Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980529012911.42426@cpl.net> References: <35701727.479044805@mail.cetlink.net> <35701727.479044805@mail.cetlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK. Here we go again: 1. Etinc has always supported: a. Their drivers. b. Their adapters. c. Getting a connection to work with your upstream ISP. They helped me do this on: 1. PPP 2. Frame Relay 3. HDLC (Cisco) ...all of which are still running today...very nicely. In addition their hardware is: 1) sexy, 2) nice, 3) cool, and oh ... 4) the stuff really works...driver included. IMHO there is NO other T1 card that is economically feasable...you must learn routing concepts on your own...you should know them by now anyway. 2. Etinc's job is NOT to support: a. Your routing from the route standpoint. They did not write routed, gated, or any other routING product. b. You, in learning what an IP route is and how to setup a default gateway and how to route a block of IP's to another interface on the web server across YOUR network and etc... Dennis is a great guy once you can just get past the cold methodical non-emotional approach he has and do the job. He is like that because of dealing with a lot of big companies who could care less and JUST WANT THE JOB DONE and won't be having tea with him later...that's for sure. Just my perspective, Randy Katz At 01:29 AM 5/29/98 -0700, Shawn Ramsey wrote: >> On Thu, 28 May 1998 09:34:12 -0300 (EST), Luiz de Barros >> wrote: >> >> >I have heard of many other choices of Sync cards and maybe next time i >> >will use another card, that can give me support to work with more than >> >64Kbps. I used to recomend etinc to my friends because of its support to >> >FreeBSD, a Robust system with full support from the developers, etc but >> >now i am quite disappointed with etinc's support. >> >> Another dissatisfied Dennis' customer, big surprise. > >Another satisfied customer here. But I have never needed support of any >sort, other than a working driver. (at least not from Dennis). > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 29 08:13:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05533 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:13:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from amber.ecom.net (ns1.ecom.net [207.155.73.10] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05490 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:13:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntrkcasa (b242.ecom.net [207.13.225.242]) by amber.ecom.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA24015; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:12:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980529080940.038f6760@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:09:40 -0700 To: Shawn Ramsey , John Kelly , Luiz de Barros From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: Cabling problems with etinc? Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980529012911.42426@cpl.net> References: <35701727.479044805@mail.cetlink.net> <35701727.479044805@mail.cetlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org PS - I believe the cable pinouts are included in their online documentation (http://www.etinc.com). Thanx, Randy Katz At 01:29 AM 5/29/98 -0700, Shawn Ramsey wrote: >> On Thu, 28 May 1998 09:34:12 -0300 (EST), Luiz de Barros >> wrote: >> >> >I have heard of many other choices of Sync cards and maybe next time i >> >will use another card, that can give me support to work with more than >> >64Kbps. I used to recomend etinc to my friends because of its support to >> >FreeBSD, a Robust system with full support from the developers, etc but >> >now i am quite disappointed with etinc's support. >> >> Another dissatisfied Dennis' customer, big surprise. > >Another satisfied customer here. But I have never needed support of any >sort, other than a working driver. (at least not from Dennis). > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 29 08:15:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA07067 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:15:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from amber.ecom.net (ns1.ecom.net [207.155.73.10] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA07050 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:15:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntrkcasa (b242.ecom.net [207.13.225.242]) by amber.ecom.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA24116; Fri, 29 May 1998 08:14:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980529081201.03876c90@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:12:01 -0700 To: Shawn Ramsey , John Kelly , Luiz de Barros From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: Cabling problems with etinc? Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980529012911.42426@cpl.net> References: <35701727.479044805@mail.cetlink.net> <35701727.479044805@mail.cetlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org PS - Just remember ... "sex sells" ... and Etinc's adapters are real sexy (IMHO). Take care, Randy Katz PSS - He'll even be logical when your whole network is down...something hard to find in ANY computer peripherals vendor. >> >> Another dissatisfied Dennis' customer, big surprise. > >Another satisfied customer here. But I have never needed support of any >sort, other than a working driver. (at least not from Dennis). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 29 09:29:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08420 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:29:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from java.dpcsys.com (java.dpcsys.com [206.16.184.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08391 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:28:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@dpcsys.com) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by java.dpcsys.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id JAA04557; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:30:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Busarow To: Brian Lube cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bind revisited In-Reply-To: <13371622019371@mpinet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 29 May 1998, Brian Lube wrote: > I'm currently working on securing up our BSD box, I apologize in advance > if this has already been beaten to death, but what is the best way to > secure my copy of bind? Should I upgrade to 8.1.1 and then keep up to date > with patches, or is there going to be some sort of update for the 4 series? > We are currently looking to upgrade to the 8.1.1 series, but we're not > really sure how much work it is going to entail. Upgrade to 8.1.2 4.9.x will continue to recieve security updates but the change to 8.1.x is not bad at all and you will see lots of benefits. Lower memory use, better performance and more knobs to tweak. Dan -- Dan Busarow 949 443 4172 DPC Systems / Beach.Net dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 29 09:52:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15372 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:52:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgate22.a001.sprintmail.com (mailgate22-hme0.a001.sprintmail.com [205.137.196.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA15358 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:52:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bminazzi@w3page.com) Received: by mailgate22.a001.sprintmail.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA27457; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:51:56 -0700 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Received: from sdn-ts-009coaurop05.dialsprint.net(206.133.160.152) by mailfep3-hme1 via dsmap-1.22 id Q_10.1.1.8/Q_24537_1_356ee77a; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:51:06 -0700 Message-ID: <356EE4D7.348EDD30@w3page.com> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:39:51 -0600 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cabling problems with etinc? References: <35701727.479044805@mail.cetlink.net> <19980529012911.42426@cpl.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If I remember right, etinc sells a cable. Why not just get one ofg those, rather than hassle over the thing for weeks? Bkm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 29 10:26:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA20292 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:26:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nak.myhouse.com (nak.myhouse.com [209.70.45.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20282 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:26:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zoonie@myhouse.com) Received: from localhost (zoonie@localhost) by nak.myhouse.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA11052; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:24:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from zoonie@myhouse.com) X-Authentication-Warning: nak.myhouse.com: zoonie owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:24:56 -0400 (EDT) From: zoonie To: David Babler , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISDN Terminal Adaptor recommendation In-Reply-To: <19980528184750.A23358@Alameda.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i agree with ulf, use a router. with the TA you'll have to write a script to check and reconnect if the call is dropped. with the router you just set it to stay pegged all the time and if the call is dropped the router will dial back immediatly vs the script method that runs every few minutes to check and re-establish the call. im not familar with the netgear router but i have done this type of setup with pipelines and netopias and it works well, the TA method was a pain... On Thu, 28 May 1998, Ulf Zimmermann wrote: > On Thu, May 28, 1998 at 05:27:26PM -0700, David Babler wrote: > > > > I have a customer who is asking me for a full-time ISDN connection. I > > currently run just POTS lines with analog modems for dialups, so I would > > need to get an ISDN TA to accomodate him - anybody have any > > recommendations for brands/models for just a single BRI? It would be for > > direct serial connection (AFAIK) to the FreeBSD system and user PPP, > > probably only a single 64k channel. > > I would not use a TA for that. Use a standalone router, like Netgear RT328. > Cost $320, almost same price as a TA, but has Ethernet build in. > > > > > TIA! > > > > -Dave > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > -- > Ulf. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 > Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 29 10:41:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22179 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:41:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from the.oneinsane.net (insane@gw.oneinsane.net [207.113.133.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22169 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:41:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from insane@oneinsane.net) Received: (from insane@localhost) Message-ID: <19980529104132.A10566@oneinsane.net> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:41:32 -0700 From: "Ron 'The Insane One' Rosson" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cabling problems with etinc? Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <35701727.479044805@mail.cetlink.net> <35701727.479044805@mail.cetlink.net> <19980529012911.42426@cpl.net> <3.0.5.32.19980529080750.03971150@ccsales.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980529080750.03971150@ccsales.com>; from Randy A. Katz on Fri, May 29, 1998 at 08:07:50AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD the.oneinsane.net 2.2.6-STABLE X-Opinion: What you read here is my IMHO X-Disclaimer: I am a firm believer in RTFM Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org D On Fri, May 29, 1998 at 08:07:50AM -0700, Randy A. Katz wrote: > OK. > > Here we go again: > > 1. Etinc has always supported: > a. Their drivers. > b. Their adapters. > c. Getting a connection to work with your upstream ISP. They helped me > do this on: > 1. PPP > 2. Frame Relay > 3. HDLC (Cisco) > > ...all of which are still running today...very nicely. In addition their > hardware is: 1) sexy, 2) nice, 3) cool, and oh ... 4) the stuff really > works...driver included. IMHO there is NO other T1 card that is > economically feasable...you must learn routing concepts on your own...you > should know them by now anyway. Ok, Now my 2 cents worth: I have only owned my ETinc card for about 2 months. I route for a /28 from a FreeBSD box. I have never used routed or gated. Actually in my application they are not needed. Anyways. The only problem I had was that I failed to read the docs completely. Other than that the installation went in seamlessly without a hitch. One complaint for Dennis ;-) Would love to see the docs as a manpage or something easy to read off the platform. Not all of us have access to Windows 95 or its liking. I was lucky I had one because my Inet connection was down while installing the card. Dennis keep up the good work. End of my 2 cents. Ron > > 2. Etinc's job is NOT to support: > a. Your routing from the route standpoint. They did not write routed, > gated, or any other routING product. > b. You, in learning what an IP route is and how to setup a default > gateway and how to route a block of IP's to another interface on the web > server across YOUR network and etc... > > Dennis is a great guy once you can just get past the cold methodical > non-emotional approach he has and do the job. He is like that because of > dealing with a lot of big companies who could care less and JUST WANT THE > JOB DONE and won't be having tea with him later...that's for sure. > > Just my perspective, > Randy Katz > > At 01:29 AM 5/29/98 -0700, Shawn Ramsey wrote: > >> On Thu, 28 May 1998 09:34:12 -0300 (EST), Luiz de Barros > >> wrote: > >> > >> >I have heard of many other choices of Sync cards and maybe next time i > >> >will use another card, that can give me support to work with more than > >> >64Kbps. I used to recomend etinc to my friends because of its support to > >> >FreeBSD, a Robust system with full support from the developers, etc but > >> >now i am quite disappointed with etinc's support. > >> > >> Another dissatisfied Dennis' customer, big surprise. > > > >Another satisfied customer here. But I have never needed support of any > >sort, other than a working driver. (at least not from Dennis). > > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- -------------------------------------------------------- Ron Rosson ... and a UNIX user said ... The InSaNe One rm -rf * insane@oneinsane.net and all was null and void -------------------------------------------------------- It's so nice to be insane, nobody asks you to explain. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 29 10:44:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22788 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:44:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Rigel.orionsys.com (rigel.orionsys.com [205.148.224.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22779 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:44:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbabler@Rigel.orionsys.com) Received: from localhost (dbabler@localhost) by Rigel.orionsys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA15049; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:44:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbabler@Rigel.orionsys.com) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:44:25 -0700 (PDT) From: David Babler To: zoonie cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISDN Terminal Adaptor recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 29 May 1998, zoonie wrote: > i agree with ulf, use a router. with the TA you'll have to write a script > to check and reconnect if the call is dropped. with the router you just > set it to stay pegged all the time and if the call is dropped the router > will dial back immediatly vs the script method that runs every few minutes > to check and re-establish the call. im not familar with the netgear > router but i have done this type of setup with pipelines and netopias and > it works well, the TA method was a pain... Hmmm, honestly hadn't thought of *originating* the connection to the customer or making my end reconnect if/when the connection got dropped. Not sure how whatever he has on his end would respond, though - is this the normal way of handling dedicated connections? This isn't a point-to-point leased line, it's just an unpublished number. -Dave > On Thu, 28 May 1998, Ulf Zimmermann wrote: > > > On Thu, May 28, 1998 at 05:27:26PM -0700, David Babler wrote: > > > > > > I have a customer who is asking me for a full-time ISDN connection. I > > > currently run just POTS lines with analog modems for dialups, so I would > > > need to get an ISDN TA to accomodate him - anybody have any > > > recommendations for brands/models for just a single BRI? It would be for > > > direct serial connection (AFAIK) to the FreeBSD system and user PPP, > > > probably only a single 64k channel. > > > > I would not use a TA for that. Use a standalone router, like Netgear RT328. > > Cost $320, almost same price as a TA, but has Ethernet build in. > > > > > > > > TIA! > > > > > > -Dave > > > > > -- > > Ulf. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 29 11:40:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA06568 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:40:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nak.myhouse.com (nak.myhouse.com [209.70.45.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06493 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zoonie@myhouse.com) Received: from localhost (zoonie@localhost) by nak.myhouse.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA11148; Fri, 29 May 1998 14:38:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from zoonie@myhouse.com) X-Authentication-Warning: nak.myhouse.com: zoonie owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:38:36 -0400 (EDT) From: zoonie Reply-To: zoonie To: David Babler cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISDN Terminal Adaptor recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 29 May 1998, David Babler wrote: > Hmmm, honestly hadn't thought of *originating* the connection to the > customer or making my end reconnect if/when the connection got dropped. > Not sure how whatever he has on his end would respond, though - is this > the normal way of handling dedicated connections? This isn't a > point-to-point leased line, it's just an unpublished number. you should have the customer dial into you instead originating the connection. treat it like a dedicated POTS dialup. my experience with TAs was with my own home system dialing into my hub site and i have gotten rid of that setup. i didn't think that setup was good for customers unless they were technical. i have all of my ISDN customers use ISDN routers and they are all configured to dial into us, we never dial out. the routers are also configured to keep the connection pegged so if it does get dropped for some reason it only takes seconds to dial back in (these are all dedicated ISDN). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 29 12:05:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13131 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:05:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Rigel.orionsys.com (rigel.orionsys.com [205.148.224.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13114 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:05:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbabler@Rigel.orionsys.com) Received: from localhost (dbabler@localhost) by Rigel.orionsys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA18009; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:05:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbabler@Rigel.orionsys.com) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:05:06 -0700 (PDT) From: David Babler Reply-To: David Babler To: zoonie cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISDN Terminal Adaptor recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 29 May 1998, zoonie wrote: > On Fri, 29 May 1998, David Babler wrote: > > > Hmmm, honestly hadn't thought of *originating* the connection to the > > customer or making my end reconnect if/when the connection got dropped. > > Not sure how whatever he has on his end would respond, though - is this > > the normal way of handling dedicated connections? This isn't a > > point-to-point leased line, it's just an unpublished number. > > you should have the customer dial into you instead originating the > connection. treat it like a dedicated POTS dialup. my experience with > TAs was with my own home system dialing into my hub site and i have gotten > rid of that setup. i didn't think that setup was good for customers > unless they were technical. i have all of my ISDN customers use ISDN > routers and they are all configured to dial into us, we never dial out. > the routers are also configured to keep the connection pegged so if it > does get dropped for some reason it only takes seconds to dial back in > (these are all dedicated ISDN). > Ah, okay - I misunderstood then, I thought you were talking about the ISDN connection on *my* end when you mentioned redialing. The customer already has an ISDN connection to another provider and is running iShare on his Novell network to make the connection; the only new equipment here is on my end, not his. I *was* looking at the USR/3COM ISDN Couriers or IPool TA's originally. -Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 29 12:35:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA18951 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:35:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (ulf@gatekeeper.Alameda.net [207.90.181.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA18941 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:35:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ulf@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net) Received: by Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (8.9.0/8.8.6) id MAA21886; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980529123533.C8472@Alameda.net> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:35:33 -0700 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: David Babler Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISDN Terminal Adaptor recommendation Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from David Babler on Fri, May 29, 1998 at 10:44:25AM -0700 Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, May 29, 1998 at 10:44:25AM -0700, David Babler wrote: > > > On Fri, 29 May 1998, zoonie wrote: > > > i agree with ulf, use a router. with the TA you'll have to write a script > > to check and reconnect if the call is dropped. with the router you just > > set it to stay pegged all the time and if the call is dropped the router > > will dial back immediatly vs the script method that runs every few minutes > > to check and re-establish the call. im not familar with the netgear > > router but i have done this type of setup with pipelines and netopias and > > it works well, the TA method was a pain... > > Hmmm, honestly hadn't thought of *originating* the connection to the > customer or making my end reconnect if/when the connection got dropped. > Not sure how whatever he has on his end would respond, though - is this > the normal way of handling dedicated connections? This isn't a > point-to-point leased line, it's just an unpublished number. You can set his side to dial on "interesting" traffic, dial on demand. Interesting traffic could be telnet, www, etc. You can set a idle time out or it can try to stay up the whole time. Your side can be set to just answer. > > -Dave > > > On Thu, 28 May 1998, Ulf Zimmermann wrote: > > > > > On Thu, May 28, 1998 at 05:27:26PM -0700, David Babler wrote: > > > > > > > > I have a customer who is asking me for a full-time ISDN connection. I > > > > currently run just POTS lines with analog modems for dialups, so I would > > > > need to get an ISDN TA to accomodate him - anybody have any > > > > recommendations for brands/models for just a single BRI? It would be for > > > > direct serial connection (AFAIK) to the FreeBSD system and user PPP, > > > > probably only a single 64k channel. > > > > > > I would not use a TA for that. Use a standalone router, like Netgear RT328. > > > Cost $320, almost same price as a TA, but has Ethernet build in. > > > > > > > > > > > TIA! > > > > > > > > -Dave > > > > > > > -- > > > Ulf. > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 29 12:44:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA21330 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:44:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21211 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:43:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA14285; Fri, 29 May 1998 20:43:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <356F0FF2.F38FB9D6@tdx.co.uk> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 20:43:46 +0100 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Lube CC: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bind revisited References: <13371622019371@mpinet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brian Lube wrote: > > I'm currently working on securing up our BSD box, I apologize in advance > if this has already been beaten to death, but what is the best way to > secure my copy of bind? Should I upgrade to 8.1.1 and then keep up to date > with patches, or is there going to be some sort of update for the 4 series? > We are currently looking to upgrade to the 8.1.1 series, but we're not > really sure how much work it is going to entail. > > Any suggestions on this would be greatly appreciated. > > Brian Lube > senior technician > MPInet 8.1.1 has some security problems which were mentioned by a recent CERT advisory, you should use the latest release which is 8.1.2. We looked at both the latest in the now discontinued (except for bug fixes) 4.9.X series, and 8.1.2 - and decided to go with 8.1.2 at the moment, as we run primary DNS for quite a few customers - 8.1.2 lets you control which interfaces it binds to - and has better security for things like zone transfers. 8.1.2 installs fairly painlessly on FreeBSD - you will need to convert your 'named.boot' file into a 'named.conf' file - which can be a little daunting at first, but you should get used to it... (There is a conversion perl script which comes with FreeBSD -Current at the moment, that I craftily used to convert the named.boot files on all your 2.2.X production boxes ;-) The source for 8.1.2 'knows' about FreeBSD (i.e. has support for compilation / installation on it), but as usual - if it's an important / production box, back it up before - and take care... Regards, Karl Pielorz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 29 13:25:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01146 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:25:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01109; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:25:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA00616; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:25:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@gdi.uoregon.edu) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:25:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White Reply-To: Doug White To: Arisandy cc: question-freebsd , isp-freebsd Subject: Re: ppp -alias In-Reply-To: <000501bd8ab1$af345990$7305600a@ars.divre5.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 29 May 1998, Arisandy wrote: > I use ppp -auto -alias now....for 3 client.... > how can I protects others....to join my ppp -auto -alias when he knows > ip setting......??? I don't understand what you're asking. -alias is autoconfiguring and covers all port ranges. > why the ICQ anda mRC athough I only alias the http and ftp??? ICQ is just wacky (tell it you're running behind a firewall) and IRC DDC does require some additional portmapping. Check the questions mail archives for details. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 29 13:38:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04848 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:38:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.cioe.com (ns1.cioe.com [204.120.165.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04770 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:38:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@ns1.cioe.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by ns1.cioe.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id PAA26872 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:38:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:38:10 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Ames Message-Id: <199805292038.PAA26872@ns1.cioe.com> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Backup Power? Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is more than a little off topic, but here goes. My company operates a number of remote POPs and we want to upgrade our backup power. Our minimum target is 2 hours (would like to get closer to 8) and most POPs consist of 4-6 Adtran CSU, a Cisco 4000 and a couple of Ascend Max 4048. I've queried a couple of UPS manufacturers and they're going to quote me up something but I'm not sure UPSs are the way to go... anyone played with other options such as generators? -Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 29 14:00:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01346 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 14:00:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.cioe.com (ns1.cioe.com [204.120.165.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01324 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 14:00:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@ns1.cioe.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by ns1.cioe.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id PAA02500; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:59:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:59:45 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Ames Message-Id: <199805292059.PAA02500@ns1.cioe.com> To: isp-tech@isp-tech.com Subject: ETRN with a dynamic IP? Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A customer of a customer came up with a good question that I couldn't readily answer. They want to use Eudora World Mail (http://eudora.qualcomm.com/worldmail/) to pickup their mail. World Mail uses SMTP so mail will just spool up until they connect and issue an ETRN command. I've done that many times with a static IP (mostly for MS Exchange customers). But the FAQ for World Mail mentions using ETRN with a dynamic address... Anyone done that? Anyone even have a guess at how its pulled off? TIA, Steve Ames To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 29 14:43:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04848 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:38:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.cioe.com (ns1.cioe.com [204.120.165.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04770 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:38:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@ns1.cioe.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by ns1.cioe.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id PAA26872 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:38:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:38:10 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Ames Message-Id: <199805292038.PAA26872@ns1.cioe.com> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Backup Power? Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is more than a little off topic, but here goes. My company operates a number of remote POPs and we want to upgrade our backup power. Our minimum target is 2 hours (would like to get closer to 8) and most POPs consist of 4-6 Adtran CSU, a Cisco 4000 and a couple of Ascend Max 4048. I've queried a couple of UPS manufacturers and they're going to quote me up something but I'm not sure UPSs are the way to go... anyone played with other options such as generators? -Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 29 15:38:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA20468 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:38:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from home.dragondata.com (toasty@home.dragondata.com [204.137.237.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20398 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:38:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toasty@home.dragondata.com) Received: (from toasty@localhost) by home.dragondata.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id RAA16167; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:38:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Kevin Day Message-Id: <199805292238.RAA16167@home.dragondata.com> Subject: Re: Backup Power? In-Reply-To: <199805292038.PAA26872@ns1.cioe.com> from Steve Ames at "May 29, 98 03:38:10 pm" To: steve@ns1.cioe.com (Steve Ames) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:38:21 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > This is more than a little off topic, but here goes. > > My company operates a number of remote POPs and we want to upgrade > our backup power. Our minimum target is 2 hours (would like to > get closer to 8) and most POPs consist of 4-6 Adtran CSU, a Cisco > 4000 and a couple of Ascend Max 4048. > > I've queried a couple of UPS manufacturers and they're going to quote > me up something but I'm not sure UPSs are the way to go... anyone > played with other options such as generators? > > -Steve > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > Speaking as someone who is running off of a generator now, they aren't as bad as I thought. I'm able to run everything off of this 6kva generator I rented localy. The power is clean enough to run everything, and I'm able to go about 8 hours on 5 gallons of gas, powering 12 servers, two DSU's, two routers, and two monitors. However... You need something that'll carry everything for enough time to get the generator to start, and something that can decide when the time is right to shut the generator back off. There are companies that make eternal power systems like that, but I can't think of any names off the top of my head. Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 29 18:27:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19631 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 18:27:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Radford.i-Plus.net (root@NS.i-Plus.net [208.24.67.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19599 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 18:27:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rewt@i-Plus.net) Received: from Radford.i-Plus.net (rewt@Radford.i-Plus.net [208.24.67.15]) by Radford.i-Plus.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA12973; Fri, 29 May 1998 21:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 21:27:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Troy Settle To: David Babler cc: zoonie , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISDN Terminal Adaptor recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 29 May 1998, David Babler wrote: > Ah, okay - I misunderstood then, I thought you were talking about the ISDN > connection on *my* end when you mentioned redialing. The customer already > has an ISDN connection to another provider and is running iShare on his > Novell network to make the connection; the only new equipment here is on > my end, not his. I *was* looking at the USR/3COM ISDN Couriers or IPool > TA's originally. If this is the case, I would strongly recommend going with PRI service, terminated into an Ascend Max 6k (or similar). If you need BRI, take a look at the Max 1800. We use both, and have 0 ISDN problems. As an example, I had my LAN at home routed through a Pipeline 50 connected to the 1800 at work. This worked great, but was overkill when I went down to 1 box at home. While a consumer grade ISDN TA or router will work, it doesn't leave much room for growth. -- Troy Settle Network Administrator, iPlus Internet Services http://www.i-Plus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 29 20:19:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06421 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 20:19:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from willy.crimsonweb.com (willy.crimsonweb.com [206.117.218.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA06416 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 20:19:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@crimsonweb.com) Received: from flippy (flippy.crimsonweb.com [206.117.218.10]) by willy.crimsonweb.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO205e ID# 0-36306U100L100S0) with SMTP id AAA318; Fri, 29 May 1998 20:18:51 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980529201850.0131faa0@crimsonweb.com> X-Sender: root@crimsonweb.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 20:18:50 -0700 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Jason Ingham Subject: Re: Backup Power? Cc: steve@ns1.cioe.com, Kevin Day In-Reply-To: <199805292238.RAA16167@home.dragondata.com> References: <199805292038.PAA26872@ns1.cioe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.hondapower.com/deluxe.htm ~or~ http://www.hondapower.com/heavy.htm ~Jason At 05:38 PM 5/29/98 -0500, Steve wrote: >> >> This is more than a little off topic, but here goes. >> >> My company operates a number of remote POPs and we want to upgrade >> our backup power. Our minimum target is 2 hours (would like to >> get closer to 8) and most POPs consist of 4-6 Adtran CSU, a Cisco >> 4000 and a couple of Ascend Max 4048. >> >> I've queried a couple of UPS manufacturers and they're going to quote >> me up something but I'm not sure UPSs are the way to go... anyone >> played with other options such as generators? >> >> -Steve > >Speaking as someone who is running off of a generator now, they aren't as >bad as I thought. I'm able to run everything off of this 6kva generator I >rented localy. The power is clean enough to run everything, and I'm able to >go about 8 hours on 5 gallons of gas, powering 12 servers, two DSU's, two >routers, and two monitors. > >However... You need something that'll carry everything for enough time to >get the generator to start, and something that can decide when the time is >right to shut the generator back off. > >There are companies that make eternal power systems like that, but I can't >think of any names off the top of my head. > >Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri May 29 23:21:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA29664 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 23:21:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from npc.haplink.com.cn ([202.96.192.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA29656 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 23:21:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from xiyuan@npc.haplink.com.cn) Received: (from xiyuan@localhost) by npc.haplink.com.cn (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24200 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 May 1998 14:20:40 GMT Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 14:20:40 GMT From: xiyuan qian Message-Id: <199805301420.OAA24200@npc.haplink.com.cn> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: installing FreeBSD2.2.5 with IBM Netfinity3500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I can NOT install 2.2.5 upto IBM Netfinity3500. It seems that 2.2.5 does not recognize the Adaptec AIC-7895 card so it can NOT find the SCSI hard disk. How can I overcome this? Is it possible? Please help me! --xiyuan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat May 30 00:23:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA08351 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 00:23:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from buffy.tpgi.com.au (buffy.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA08332 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 00:23:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eirvine@tpgi.com.au) Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by buffy.tpgi.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA12918 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 17:23:44 +1000 Received: from tar-ppp-165.tpgi.com.au(203.26.26.165), claiming to be "gretchen" via SMTP by buffy.tpgi.com.au, id smtpda12906; Sat May 30 17:23:37 1998 From: "Eddie Irvine" To: Subject: Re: Squid ? Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:47:57 +1000 Message-ID: <01bd8a04$8c91a760$b11a1acb@gretchen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >| I'll try to install squid for cache server on my ppp on demand box... >| but there is warning ->fdstat_update:re-opening biggest_FD? > >This bit I can't help you with.. I seem to get it too. Seems to be harmless. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat May 30 06:31:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12558 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 06:31:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (root@magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA12549 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 06:31:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: from bilver.magicnet.net (uucp@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.8) with UUCP id JAA22264 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 May 1998 09:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA28883 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 May 1998 09:20:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199805301320.JAA28883@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: Backup Power? In-Reply-To: <199805292038.PAA26872@ns1.cioe.com> from Steve Ames at "May 29, 98 03:38:10 pm" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 09:20:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Recently Steve Ames said: > > This is more than a little off topic, but here goes. > My company operates a number of remote POPs and we want to upgrade > our backup power. Our minimum target is 2 hours (would like to > get closer to 8) and most POPs consist of 4-6 Adtran CSU, a Cisco > 4000 and a couple of Ascend Max 4048. > I've queried a couple of UPS manufacturers and they're going to quote > me up something but I'm not sure UPSs are the way to go... anyone > played with other options such as generators? BEST makes some serious units. Backup power can be quite long, and some of their units also come with a gas generator or for the large units, a diesel generator. They have automatic failover from battery to generator. They are quite robust. Also check Liebert. -- bill@bilver.magicnet.net | bill@bilver.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat May 30 11:32:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA13026 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 11:32:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpha.dgweb.com (list@[207.218.73.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13020 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 11:32:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from list@alpha.dgweb.com) Received: from localhost (list@localhost) by alpha.dgweb.com (0.0.1/0.0.1) with SMTP id LAA01107 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 11:36:45 GMT (envelope-from list@alpha.dgweb.com) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 11:36:45 +0000 (GMT) From: MAILING LISTS To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: none Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org test To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat May 30 20:19:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA20364 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 30 May 1998 20:19:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c243.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA20359 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 20:19:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA25935; Sat, 30 May 1998 23:19:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) To: Steve Ames cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Backup Power? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 May 1998 15:38:10 CDT." <199805292038.PAA26872@ns1.cioe.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 23:19:05 -0400 Message-ID: <25931.896584745@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Steve Ames wrote in message ID <199805292038.PAA26872@ns1.cioe.com>: > I've queried a couple of UPS manufacturers and they're going to quote > me up something but I'm not sure UPSs are the way to go... anyone > played with other options such as generators? For that length of time UPS's are going to get expensive. Small generators with some sort of transfer switch is almost certainly the way to go. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message