From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 27 03:17:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA11824 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 03:17:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA11789 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 03:16:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id FAA10569; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 05:16:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from harkol-110.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.64.238) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma010567; Sun Sep 27 05:16:53 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980927051540.0072725c@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 05:15:40 -0500 To: Ben Goodwin , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Strange popper behavior In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980926215912.00985d00@poseidon.hamsterville.ult ranet.com> References: <19980926100728.26872@rdrop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:59 PM 9/26/98 -0400, Ben Goodwin wrote: >How did you copy the box? Often what happens is the spool gets corrupted >with NULL's at the top, which can't be seen with some tools. You can also >compile qpopper with -DDEBUG and set syslog to log the facility at DEBUG to >see what's going on. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the mailbox, it just refused to work with the password, which was alphabetic, for the account. Change "T" to "t" and it worked fine. One way to force a new password. ;) Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 27 07:50:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06500 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 07:50:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phear.net (phear.net [206.58.96.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06489 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 07:50:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@thunder.st0rm.com) Received: from jmmock (slwag2p12.ozemail.com.au [203.108.157.60]) by phear.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id HAA21890 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 07:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19980928003719.009ce7c0@pop.ozemail.com.au> X-Sender: jim@thunder.st0rm.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 00:51:50 +1000 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Jim Mock Subject: backbone connections in Australia Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone know of a fast, reliable backbone provider in Australia that charges flat-rate? The only ones I've been able to find so far are Tel$tra, Optus, and Connect, and they all have transfer charges, which need to be avoided. Basically, I'm looking for a T1 speed connection (possibly multiple T1's, I don't care if it's by satellite or however) at a flat monthly rate. If anyone has any info, it would be much appreciated. Thanks. Jim |=> Jim Mock [jim@thunder.st0rm.com] [jim@phrantic.phear.net] <=| |=> st0rm Internet Services | web: http://www.st0rm.com/ <=| |=> Website Design & Hosting | Wagga Wagga, NSW Australia <=| |=> Powered by FreeBSD! | http://www.freebsd.org/ <=| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 27 08:33:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09224 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 08:33:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from home.shvetc.zp.ua (shvetc-bayda.marka.net.ua [193.193.219.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09202; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 08:33:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eugene@shvetc.zp.ua) Received: from wints (wints.shvetc.zp.ua [193.193.219.186]) by home.shvetc.zp.ua (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA22707; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:32:47 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <003d01bdea2c$15af1be0$badbc1c1@wints.shvetc.zp.ua> From: "Eugene Shvetc" To: , , Subject: Re: traffic counter Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:32:46 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01BDEA45.38BA0500" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BDEA45.38BA0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks you all, but i need to count via snmp, or from mrtg log files. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BDEA45.38BA0500 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Re: traffic counter Content-Disposition: attachment Return-Path: jkb@best.com Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (jkb@shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by home.shvetc.zp.ua (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA12328 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 22:14:14 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) with SMTP id MAA09204 for ; Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:14:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shell6.ba.best.com: jkb owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 12:14:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jan B. Koum " X-Sender: jkb@shell6.ba.best.com To: Eugene Shvetc Subject: Re: traffic counter In-Reply-To: <000101bde96a$67356680$badbc1c1@wints.shvetc.zp.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-UIDL: e8dad7108778c90c365b0e3b3d0529cc man ipfw -- Yan I don't have the password .... + Jan Koum But the path is chainlinked .. | Spelled Jan, pronounced Yan. There. So if you've got the time .... | Web: http://www.best.com/~jkb Set the tone to sync ......... + OS: http://www.FreeBSD.org On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, Eugene Shvetc wrote: > > Hi! > >There is a task: to write programm, which daily counts up >amount byte, transferred through interface. It is necessary, >what it took information from mrtg log files, or itself took >statistics using snmp. Nobody was engaged in such? And that >completely is no time to write itself :-( > >Beforehand is grateful. > >--- >Eugene Shvetc >MARKA ISP >eugene@shvetc.zp.ua >Tel, fax: +380 612 120186 > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BDEA45.38BA0500 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Re: traffic counter Content-Disposition: attachment Return-Path: andrew@squiz.co.nz Received: from aniwa.sky (pppk-02.igrin.co.nz [202.49.245.81]) by home.shvetc.zp.ua (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA13684 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 00:51:20 +0300 (EEST) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by aniwa.sky (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA00447 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 09:50:23 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 09:49:01 +1200 (NZST) From: Andrew McNaughton X-Sender: andrew@aniwa.sky Reply-To: andrew@squiz.co.nz To: Eugene Shvetc Subject: Re: traffic counter In-Reply-To: <000101bde96a$67356680$badbc1c1@wints.shvetc.zp.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-UIDL: eb7c552242f196bbfc55fb56f0e2a046 On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, Eugene Shvetc wrote: > Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 19:26:21 +0300 > From: Eugene Shvetc > To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: traffic counter > > > Hi! > > There is a task: to write programm, which daily counts up > amount byte, transferred through interface. It is necessary, > what it took information from mrtg log files, or itself took > statistics using snmp. Nobody was engaged in such? And that > completely is no time to write itself :-( > > Beforehand is grateful. use netstat or ipfw ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BDEA45.38BA0500 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Re: traffic counter Content-Disposition: attachment Return-Path: dchapes@ddm.on.ca Received: from ymris.ddm.on.ca (p17a.neon.sentex.ca [207.245.212.210]) by home.shvetc.zp.ua (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA22174 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 17:32:10 +0300 (EEST) Received: from squigy.ddm.on.ca (squigy.ddm.on.ca [209.112.59.10]) by ymris.ddm.on.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12856 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:31:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dchapes@ymris.ddm.on.ca) From: Dave Chapeskie Received: (from dchapes@localhost) by squigy.ddm.on.ca (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA01287; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980927103106.04062@ddm.on.ca> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 10:31:06 -0400 To: Eugene Shvetc Subject: Re: traffic counter References: <000101bde96a$67356680$badbc1c1@wints.shvetc.zp.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <000101bde96a$67356680$badbc1c1@wints.shvetc.zp.ua>; from Eugene Shvetc on Sat, Sep 26, 1998 at 07:26:21PM +0300 Return-Receipt-To: dchapes@ddm.on.ca X-UIDL: 8873d7d900322989cc2306acf5838e13 On Sat, Sep 26, 1998 at 07:26:21PM +0300, Eugene Shvetc wrote: > There is a task: to write programm, which daily counts up > amount byte, transferred through interface. It is necessary, > what it took information from mrtg log files, or itself took > statistics using snmp. Nobody was engaged in such? And that > completely is no time to write itself :-( > > Beforehand is grateful. You need to learn how to write scripts, this isn't a question for hacker-freebsd-hackers. Just run something like this from /etc/daily.local. If you wanted to get fancy you could have a perl script that extracted the 'Ibytes' and 'Obytes' fields and subtracted yesturday's values from today's (if /kern/bootime says we haven't been rebooted since the timestamp on yesturday's values). #!/bin/sh if [ -f /var/log/netstat.today ]; then mv -f /var/log/netstat.today /var/log/netstat.yesturday fi netstat -ib > /var/log/netstat.today diff -uN /var/log/netstat.{yesturday,today} -- Dave Chapeskie, DDM Consulting ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BDEA45.38BA0500 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Re: traffic counter Content-Disposition: attachment Return-Path: justin@mascarpone.coventry.ac.uk Received: from coventry.ac.uk (mercury.coventry.ac.uk [193.61.107.16]) by home.shvetc.zp.ua (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA22532 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:13:45 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mascarpone.coventry.ac.uk (mascarpone.coventry.ac.uk [194.66.38.77]) by coventry.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA08548 for <@mercury.coventry.ac.uk:eugene@shvetc.zp.ua>; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 16:13:34 +0100 (BST) Received: (from justin@localhost) by mascarpone.coventry.ac.uk (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA01161; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 16:13:07 +0100 Message-Id: <199809271513.QAA01161@mascarpone.coventry.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 98 16:13 +0100 From: Justin Murdock Subject: Re: traffic counter To: "Eugene Shvetc" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Eugene Shvetc's mail of Sat, 26 Sep 98 19:26 +0300 X-Mailer: Af v1.98.4 X-UIDL: d2a15b313f5fdf164bfd2e6d36172a1d > Hi! > > There is a task: to write programm, which daily counts up > amount byte, transferred through interface. It is necessary, > what it took information from mrtg log files, or itself took > statistics using snmp. Nobody was engaged in such? And that > completely is no time to write itself :-( > Beforehand is grateful. netstat -w 86400 might do what you want. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BDEA45.38BA0500-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 27 19:38:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10093 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:38:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA10032 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:38:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA07414; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:08:15 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA25536; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:08:14 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980928120814.D25391@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:08:14 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Jim Mock , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: backbone connections in Australia References: <4.1.0.67.19980928003719.009ce7c0@pop.ozemail.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <4.1.0.67.19980928003719.009ce7c0@pop.ozemail.com.au>; from Jim Mock on Mon, Sep 28, 1998 at 12:51:50AM +1000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, 28 September 1998 at 0:51:50 +1000, Jim Mock wrote: > Does anyone know of a fast, reliable backbone provider in Australia that > charges flat-rate? The only ones I've been able to find so far are > Tel$tra, Optus, and Connect, and they all have transfer charges, which need > to be avoided. Basically, I'm looking for a T1 speed connection (possibly > multiple T1's, I don't care if it's by satellite or however) at a flat > monthly rate. > > If anyone has any info, it would be much appreciated. Telstra runs the Australian backbone just about single-handed, so I can't see much chance of anybody else offering flat rates. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 27 19:57:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15223 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:57:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from trantor.galaxia.com (terminus.galaxia.com [204.255.210.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14973 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:56:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@galaxia.com) Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by trantor.galaxia.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA19957; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:56:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dave@galaxia.com) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:56:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "David H. Brierley" To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Strange popper behavior In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980927051540.0072725c@207.227.119.2> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > There was absolutely nothing wrong with the mailbox, it just refused > to work with the password, which was alphabetic, for the account. > Change "T" to "t" and it worked fine. Slow down a minute! When you say you changed a "T" to a "t", are you saying the username had a capital letter in it or the password? Having a username with uppercase letters will not normally work if you are using sendmail as the transport because sendmail maps the usernames to lower case before attempting local delivery. Now I haven't played with the internals of sendmail in a while, but I do not advise anyone to create usernames that have mixed upper and lower case. I wouldn't be surprised if other mail transport systems had the same restrictions. -- David H. Brierley dave@galaxia.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 27 21:01:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23524 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:01:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mrtg.senet.com.au (mrtg.senet.com.au [203.56.239.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA23465 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:00:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@senet.com.au) Received: from foo.senet.com.au (IDENT:chris@foo.senet.com.au [203.34.34.35]) by mrtg.senet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA11128; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:29:47 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:29:35 +0930 (CST) From: Chris Foote To: Greg Lehey cc: Jim Mock , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: backbone connections in Australia In-Reply-To: <19980928120814.D25391@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Monday, 28 September 1998 at 0:51:50 +1000, Jim Mock wrote: > > Does anyone know of a fast, reliable backbone provider in Australia that > > charges flat-rate? The only ones I've been able to find so far are > > Tel$tra, Optus, and Connect, and they all have transfer charges, which need > > to be avoided. Basically, I'm looking for a T1 speed connection (possibly > > multiple T1's, I don't care if it's by satellite or however) at a flat > > monthly rate. > > > > If anyone has any info, it would be much appreciated. > > Telstra runs the Australian backbone just about single-handed, so I > can't see much chance of anybody else offering flat rates. Probably your best bet is a satellite connection with your own dish at Wagga Wagga (big links to Sydney would cost big bucks from where you are located). We have a 4Mbit satellite link, quite affordable at just over 1 million per year; see: Panamsat: http://www.panamsat.com/ AAP Sat Tel: +61 02 9692 1089 (You would need a small terrestrial link for outbound traffic as well). IMHO, I'll have latency over packet loss any day - international traffic is so much nicer :-) Cheers, Chris Foote SE Net Technical Manager 222 Grote Street SE Network Access Adelaide SA 5000 e-mail chris@senet.com.au Australia phone : (08) 8221 5221 PGP Public Key available from fax: (08) 8221 5220 http://www.senet.com.au/PGP support: (08) 8221 5792 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 27 21:05:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24063 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:05:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hub.dimpex.com.au (gway.dimpex.com.au [203.36.169.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA24025 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:04:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from apk@dimpex.com.au) Received: by gway.dimpex.com.au with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:06:22 +1000 Message-ID: From: Andrew Kaszubski Jnr To: "'Greg Lehey'" , Jim Mock , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: backbone connections in Australia Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:06:14 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think you will find that telstra has only got a flat fee for the 64K ISDN connection. Everything else is in some way volume charged. Andrew Andrew Kaszubski - Technical Consultant Mobile: 0411-263-880 Ph/Fax: +61-3-9874-0518 Dimpex Pty Ltd - Engineering & Computer Consulting E-mail apk@dimpex.com.au http://www.dimpex.com.au -----Original Message----- From: Greg Lehey [mailto:grog@lemis.com] Sent: Monday, September 28, 1998 12:38 PM To: Jim Mock; isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: backbone connections in Australia On Monday, 28 September 1998 at 0:51:50 +1000, Jim Mock wrote: > Does anyone know of a fast, reliable backbone provider in Australia that > charges flat-rate? The only ones I've been able to find so far are > Tel$tra, Optus, and Connect, and they all have transfer charges, which need > to be avoided. Basically, I'm looking for a T1 speed connection (possibly > multiple T1's, I don't care if it's by satellite or however) at a flat > monthly rate. > > If anyone has any info, it would be much appreciated. Telstra runs the Australian backbone just about single-handed, so I can't see much chance of anybody else offering flat rates. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 27 23:07:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA07228 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:07:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aniwa.sky (pppk-04.igrin.co.nz [202.49.245.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA07181 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:06:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by aniwa.sky (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA04662; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:04:18 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:04:17 +1200 (NZST) From: Andrew McNaughton X-Sender: andrew@aniwa.sky Reply-To: andrew@squiz.co.nz To: Chris Foote cc: Greg Lehey , Jim Mock , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: backbone connections in Australia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Chris Foote wrote: > Probably your best bet is a satellite connection with your own dish > at Wagga Wagga (big links to Sydney would cost big bucks from where > you are located). > > We have a 4Mbit satellite link, quite affordable at just over 1 million > per year; see: > > Panamsat: http://www.panamsat.com/ > AAP Sat Tel: +61 02 9692 1089 > > (You would need a small terrestrial link for outbound traffic as well). > > IMHO, I'll have latency over packet loss any day - international > traffic is so much nicer :-) 1 million dollars? Ihug offers sattelite dishes to home users in new zealand with a similar arrangement re phonel ine for outgoing data. They charge $600 setup + $79 per month for a 400Kbit link. Your setup is ten times the bandwidth for 1000 times the price. Latency is reportedly about 0.1 second. I believe they're moving into the Australian market. Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 27 23:27:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09053 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:27:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mrtg.senet.com.au (mrtg.senet.com.au [203.56.239.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA09037 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:27:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@senet.com.au) Received: from foo.senet.com.au (IDENT:chris@foo.senet.com.au [203.34.34.35]) by mrtg.senet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA04901; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:56:43 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:56:30 +0930 (CST) From: Chris Foote To: Andrew McNaughton cc: jim@thunder.st0rm.com, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: backbone connections in Australia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Andrew McNaughton wrote: > > Ihug offers sattelite dishes to home users in new zealand with a similar > arrangement re phonel ine for outgoing data. They charge $600 setup + $79 > per month for a 400Kbit link. Your setup is ten times the bandwidth for > 1000 times the price. Yep. It's a lot different for the consumer market - it's a very shared link. (i.e. all receivers see the same traffic at the demodulator, with the routing capability of the router distinguishing traffic just destined for the particular person). At the wholesale level, we buy transponder space for a minimum of 2 years, which runs at a dedicated frequency for the demodulator connecting to a HSSI interface. There's no way you could accomplish sustained high traffic levels on a shared carrier. > Latency is reportedly about 0.1 second. The sattelite uplink isn't in the USA then! It takes something like 290ms from USA to Australia; so round trip for 56 bytes is terrestial link + IP overhead + sattelite latency + router cpu overhead; around 490ms. Chris Foote SE Net Technical Manager 222 Grote Street SE Network Access Adelaide SA 5000 e-mail chris@senet.com.au Australia phone : (08) 8221 5221 PGP Public Key available from fax: (08) 8221 5220 http://www.senet.com.au/PGP support: (08) 8221 5792 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 28 00:08:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14754 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 00:08:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zeus.theinternet.com.au (zeus.theinternet.com.au [203.34.176.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA14628 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 00:08:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from akm@zeus.theinternet.com.au) Received: (from akm@localhost) by zeus.theinternet.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA28040; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:02:54 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from akm) From: Andrew Kenneth Milton Message-Id: <199809280702.RAA28040@zeus.theinternet.com.au> Subject: Re: backbone connections in Australia In-Reply-To: from Andrew McNaughton at "Sep 28, 98 06:04:17 pm" To: andrew@squiz.co.nz Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:02:54 +1000 (EST) Cc: chris@senet.com.au, grog@lemis.com, jim@thunder.st0rm.com, isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org +----[ Andrew McNaughton ]--------------------------------------------- | > (You would need a small terrestrial link for outbound traffic as well). | > | > IMHO, I'll have latency over packet loss any day - international | > traffic is so much nicer :-) | | 1 million dollars? | | Ihug offers sattelite dishes to home users in new zealand with a similar | arrangement re phonel ine for outgoing data. They charge $600 setup + $79 | per month for a 400Kbit link. Your setup is ten times the bandwidth for | 1000 times the price. Latency is reportedly about 0.1 second. I believe | they're moving into the Australian market. They have. They charge $550 US per 64/Kb. You can start from as little 64Kb. Traffic over 1Mb is $500 US per 64Kb I think... I'm not sure they offer anything outside of Capital Cities yet so you'd have to check that. -- Totally Holistic Enterprises Internet| P:+61 7 3870 0066 | Andrew The Internet (Aust) Pty Ltd | F:+61 7 3870 4477 | Milton ACN: 082 081 472 | M:+61 416 022 411 |72 Col .Sig PO Box 837 Indooroopilly QLD 4068 |akm@theinternet.com.au|Specialist To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 28 01:13:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA25648 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:13:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net ([207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA25621 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:13:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA12400; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 03:13:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from aridius-112.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.66.239) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma012398; Mon Sep 28 03:13:02 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980928031154.00730c6c@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 03:11:54 -0500 To: "David H. Brierley" From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Strange popper behavior Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.3.32.19980927051540.0072725c@207.227.119.2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:56 PM 9/27/98 -0400, David H. Brierley wrote: >On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > >> There was absolutely nothing wrong with the mailbox, it just refused >> to work with the password, which was alphabetic, for the account. >> Change "T" to "t" and it worked fine. > >Slow down a minute! When you say you changed a "T" to a "t", are you >saying the username had a capital letter in it or the password? >Having a username with uppercase letters will not normally work if >you are using sendmail as the transport because sendmail maps the >usernames to lower case before attempting local delivery. Now I >haven't played with the internals of sendmail in a while, but I do >not advise anyone to create usernames that have mixed upper and lower >case. I wouldn't be surprised if other mail transport systems had >the same restrictions. I did say password. A while back I did setup an account for myself with caps. Worked fine, but I agree on doing this for a production system. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 28 02:11:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA04110 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 02:11:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ic.infase.es (ic.infase.es [195.77.240.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA04099 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 02:11:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pachisco@diagram.es) Received: from diagram by ic.infase.es (8.8.8/5.3) with r id LAA05746 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:07:33 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <00ec01bdeabf$fcff8820$3c00ff0a@diagram.es> From: "Pachisco" To: "FreebSD ISP list" Subject: unsubscribe freebsd-isp Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:11:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe freebsd-isp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 28 06:24:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA08194 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 06:24:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA08182 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 06:24:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.8) with UUCP id JAA26830 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA02784 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:11:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199809281311.JAA02784@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: backbone connections in Australia In-Reply-To: from Andrew McNaughton at "Sep 28, 98 06:04:17 pm" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:11:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew McNaughton recently said: > On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Chris Foote wrote: > > Probably your best bet is a satellite connection with your own dish > > at Wagga Wagga (big links to Sydney would cost big bucks from where > > you are located). > > We have a 4Mbit satellite link, quite affordable at just over 1 million > > per year; see: > > Panamsat: http://www.panamsat.com/ > > AAP Sat Tel: +61 02 9692 1089 .... > 1 million dollars? > Ihug offers sattelite dishes to home users in new zealand with a similar > arrangement re phonel ine for outgoing data. ... I'm working for some people who had a request to service a company in the islands East of Florida. Panamsat was high. The talked to another got a better price. Went back to PanAmSat and found the price could be lowered. The real problem/cost in that link - which was never put in place - were the ridiculously high charges put in place by the state-owned telephone company for interconnection, etc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 28 12:44:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09815 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:44:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from amber.eaznet.com (amber.eaznet.com [216.19.20.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09804 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:44:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eddie@eaznet.com) Received: from eaznet.com (admin.eaznet.com [216.19.20.16]) by amber.eaznet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15235 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:48:24 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <360FE70F.C175F8D@eaznet.com> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:44:15 -0700 From: Eddie Fry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: NEC Hard Drives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anybody know who handles NEC hard drive warranties? I wrote NEC about a week ago, and haven't gotten any response. Also, they don't seem to mention hard drives on their site anymore. Thanks! -- Eddie Fry EAZNet Internet Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 28 17:19:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02771 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:19:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fragile.ideal.net.au (fragile.ideal.net.au [203.20.241.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02742 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:19:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rob@ideal.net.au) Received: from localhost (rob@localhost) by fragile.ideal.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA28848 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:18:55 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:18:55 +1000 (EST) From: Rob Wise Reply-To: Rob Wise To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: inn 2.1 can't open history file Message-ID: X-tra: mail header X-WonK: Hmm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm trying to install inn 2.1 to replace 1.7.2 on my freebsd 2.2.5 news server box, but I'm getting a strange error when I try to run it. innd: SERVER descriptors 1024 innd: SERVER outgoing 1011 innd: SERVER cant dbzinit /usr2/news/db/history No such file or directory The file was made with makehistory -i. It exists, and has the correct permissions. -rw-rw-r-- 1 news news 0 Sep 25 16:38 /usr2/news/db/history Does anyone know what might be causing this, or how to fix it? Cheers, Rob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 28 19:26:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA20600 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:26:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ms.securenet.net (ms.securenet.net [205.236.147.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA20588 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:26:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vandj@securenet.net) Received: from office (office.securenet.net [205.236.147.3]) by ms.securenet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA19309 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809290225.WAA19309@ms.securenet.net> X-Sender: vandj@ms.securenet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:25:50 -0400 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jean M. Vandette" Subject: Re: inn 2.1 can't open history file In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:18 AM 9/29/1998 +1000, you wrote: > >Hi, > >I'm trying to install inn 2.1 to replace 1.7.2 on my freebsd 2.2.5 news >server box, but I'm getting a strange error when I try to run it. > >innd: SERVER descriptors 1024 >innd: SERVER outgoing 1011 >innd: SERVER cant dbzinit /usr2/news/db/history No such file or directory > >The file was made with makehistory -i. It exists, and has the correct >permissions. > >-rw-rw-r-- 1 news news 0 Sep 25 16:38 /usr2/news/db/history > Make sure the files are not history.n history.n.dir history.n.hash history.n.index if they are change them to history history.dir history.hash history.index also ~news/bin/inncheck will let you know all that is wrong with you setup. Regards John M. Vandette **John M. Vandette, Consultant vandj@securenet.net** **SecureNet Information Services Inc. Internet Providers** **100 Alexis Nihon Blvd #940 St. Laurent, Quebec, Canada** **"Who does BSD Unix....?" "We do Chucky... We do..."** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 28 21:38:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA07283 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:38:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net ([207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA07272 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:38:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA14336; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:38:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from aridius-9.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.66.136) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma014334; Mon Sep 28 23:37:56 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980928233630.00730cd0@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:36:30 -0500 To: Eddie Fry , isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: NEC Hard Drives In-Reply-To: <360FE70F.C175F8D@eaznet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:44 PM 9/28/98 -0700, Eddie Fry wrote: >Does anybody know who handles NEC hard drive warranties? I wrote NEC >about a week ago, and haven't gotten any response. Also, they don't >seem to mention hard drives on their site anymore. Aren't NEC drives actually IBM in disguise? Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 28 22:11:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12176 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:11:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net ([207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12160; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:11:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA14414; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:11:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from aridius-9.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.66.136) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma014412; Tue Sep 29 00:11:00 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980929000935.00718e6c@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeffm@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:09:35 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: MFS, mount, and vmdaemon Cc: freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Posted to both bugs and isp, much as I don't like to do this. Maybe this should be on hackers too. 8-) Don't quite know if this is a bug, but when using a MFS for /tmp and you do a 'mount -a' a second MFS for /tmp is created. This shows up with 'df' and 'ps', but one can be killed without problem it seems. Using noauto, like with a CDROM, means it will not mount initially. Doesn't seem like good behaviour. This also leads to a question. Can you have 2 MFS in fstab? Something like: /dev/wd0s1b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/wd0s1b /tmp mfs rw 0 0 /dev/wd0s1b /htdocs mfs rw 0 0 I presume that any MFS must use the swap (or a swap), but can't find anything saying you can or cannot use more than one. Or is it best to (sym)link /htdocs to /tmp instead, which works fine, but I'm toying with a few ideas. In past I thought of running a web site off of MFS and in part plan to do so still. One thing about running FBSD with plenty of memory is how fast things get once the cache and active pages increase: last pid: 8865; load averages: 0.21, 0.21, 0.19 00:01:28 40 processes: 2 running, 36 sleeping, 2 zombie CPU states: % user, % nice, % system, % interrupt, % idle Mem: 137M Active, 46M Inact, 28M Wired, 34M Cache, 8318K Buf, 5444K Free It took less than 4 seconds to copy 11MB from the htdocs directory to the MFS version of the htdocs directory, which tells me that many of the files were in memory. Subsequent copies are almost instant. Normal performance with only 96MB vs 256MB is astronmical. Must say the vmdaemon does a good job. Even the MFS's resident size will shrink and I pushed it to 80MB from the startup of 7MB, but without keeping the files present and it dropped in size as the memory load went up. Still would be nice to start with all htdocs on MFS, but also wonder if the vmdaemon duplicates this by keeping files from the MFS in memory, which seems kind of redundant and wasteful. comments? Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 28 22:57:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA19448 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:57:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from enya.hilink.com.au (enya.hilink.com.au [203.8.14.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA19429 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:56:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danny@enya.hilink.com.au) Received: from localhost (danny@localhost) by enya.hilink.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA13402; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:56:32 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from danny@enya.hilink.com.au) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:56:31 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG cc: Samantha Liston Subject: [Off topic: UK ISPs only] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'd like to hear from a UK ISP who is a reseller of co.uk domains and who would be prepared to split the difference between retail and wholesale prices for an Australian ISP. Thanks very much, Daniel O'Callaghan Hilink Internet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 29 04:58:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA07800 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:58:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unix.kawartha.com (unix.kawartha.com [204.101.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA07795 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:58:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@kawartha.com) Received: from shell.kawartha.com (shell.kawartha.com [204.101.15.43]) by unix.kawartha.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA28380 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:17:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Stewart To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Adding Hundreds Of Users Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there... I'm looking for a simple method of adding hundreds of users to a FreeBSD box. I can obtain a listing of username, password (one to each line in a text file) by exporting a database on another O/S. Can this be pumped into a simple script or does adduser itself accept complete command line variables? Thanks very much, Paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 29 06:03:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA16964 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 06:03:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from odyssey.apana.org.au (odyssey.apana.org.au [203.11.114.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA16959 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 06:03:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dean@odyssey.apana.org.au) Received: from localhost (dean@localhost) by odyssey.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA12634; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:03:20 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from dean@odyssey.apana.org.au) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:03:20 +0800 (WST) From: Dean Hollister To: Paul Stewart cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adding Hundreds Of Users In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Paul Stewart wrote: > Hi there... > > I'm looking for a simple method of adding hundreds of users to a FreeBSD > box. I can obtain a listing of username, password (one to each line in a > text file) by exporting a database on another O/S. Can this be pumped > into a simple script or does adduser itself accept complete command line > variables? Yes, adduser can be sent a one-line command string. bash$ man adduser For more info. Regards, d. +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dean Hollister, | dean@mushka.ml.org | | Perth, Western Australia. | dean@wa.apana.org.au | +-------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 29 06:21:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA19436 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 06:21:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from support.euronet.nl (support.euronet.nl [194.134.32.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA19431 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 06:21:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sake@euronet.nl) Received: (from sake@localhost) by support.euronet.nl (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA05001; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:21:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Sake Blok Message-Id: <199809291321.PAA05001@support.euronet.nl> Subject: Re: Adding Hundreds Of Users In-Reply-To: from Paul Stewart at "Sep 29, 98 08:17:27 am" To: paul@kawartha.com (Paul Stewart) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:21:26 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: sake@nl.euro.net X-URL: http://www.euronet.nl/~sake/ X-quote: To err is human, to moo bovine. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Paul Stewart: > > I'm looking for a simple method of adding hundreds of users to a FreeBSD > box. I can obtain a listing of username, password (one to each line in a > text file) by exporting a database on another O/S. Can this be pumped > into a simple script or does adduser itself accept complete command line > variables? >From 'man adduser': ADDUSER(8) FreeBSD System Manager's Manual ADDUSER(8) NAME adduser - command for adding new users SYNOPSIS adduser [-batch username [group,[group,...]] [fullname] [password]] [-check_only] [-config_create] [-dotdir dotdir] [-group login_group] [-h | -help] [-home home] [-message message_file] [-noconfig] [-shell shell] [-s | -silent | -q | -quiet] [-uid uid_start] [-v | -verbose] [...] Yes, it does accept commandline variables. Sake -- Sake Blok * * EuroNet Internet Manager Implementation Team * * Herengracht 208 - 214 * 1016 BS Amsterdam E-mail: sake@nl.euro.net * Tel: +31 20 535 55 55 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 29 06:55:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA25054 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 06:55:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xenu.denverweb.net (xenu.denverweb.net [199.45.153.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24959 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 06:55:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bminazzi@denverweb.net) Received: from orion (blaine@sdn-ar-002coauroP322.dialsprint.net [206.133.170.99]) by xenu.denverweb.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA20182; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 07:54:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3610E58F.138A84FE@denverweb.net> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 07:50:07 -0600 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: Denver Web Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Stewart CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adding Hundreds Of Users References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Paul Stewart wrote: > > Hi there... > > I'm looking for a simple method of adding hundreds of users to a FreeBSD > box. I can obtain a listing of username, password (one to each line in a > text file) by exporting a database on another O/S. Can this be pumped > into a simple script or does adduser itself accept complete command line > variables? man adduser To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 29 10:56:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA05223 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:56:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp.shellnet.co.uk (smtp.shellnet.co.uk [194.129.209.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05046 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:55:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steven@shellnet.co.uk) Received: from STEVENF (eth2-fw1.bolton.shellnet.co.uk [194.129.209.8]) by smtp.shellnet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1-shellnet.stevenf) with SMTP id SAA18519 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:54:32 +0100 (BST) Posted-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:54:32 +0100 (BST) From: steven@shellnet.co.uk (Steven Fletcher) To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IPFW, Dual network cards Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:53:58 GMT Message-ID: <3612702d.118121810@smtp.shellnet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id KAA05084 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all We've been running a combination of IPFW, NATD and IPLTD for some time now - very successfully I might add - at controlling bandwidth and using IP translation for our internal computers. However we're attempting to make this a little more secure (as changing IP and gateway is a bit easy :>) and would like to know if possible the following: 1) Will FreeBSD (3.0-19980804-SNAP) allow us to physically separate the network by placing 2 network cards in the machine and connecting one to each of our switches? Do I need anything such as routed to be running? 2) If so, can this network setup route other protocols - i.e Windows NetBEUI traffic or IPX setup? (I'm really looking for a 'no' answer here - if yes can it be stopped?) And... that's about it :) Thanks for any help anyone can provide here. Steven Fletcher steven@shellnet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 29 12:05:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA17774 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:05:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17740 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 12:05:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA246791885; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:11:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:11:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adding Hundreds Of Users In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Dean Hollister wrote: > > I'm looking for a simple method of adding hundreds of users to a FreeBSD > > box. I can obtain a listing of username, password (one to each line in a > > text file) by exporting a database on another O/S. Can this be pumped > > into a simple script or does adduser itself accept complete command line > > variables? > > Yes, adduser can be sent a one-line command string. pw(1) can also be your scripting friend. - bill fumerola [root/billf]@chc-chimes.com - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800)252.2421 x128 / bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - BF1560 - "Logic, like whiskey, loses its beneficial effect when taken in too large quantities" -Lord Dunsany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 29 15:51:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA28798 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:51:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zet.internet.dk (zet.internet.dk [194.19.140.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA28748 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:51:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leifn@internet.dk) Received: from pc.internet.dk (mail.swimsuit.internet.dk [194.255.12.232]) by zet.internet.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA15193 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:50:54 +0200 Message-Id: <199809292250.AAA15193@zet.internet.dk> Reply-To: <@image.dk> From: "Leif Neland" To: Subject: How to route when having two links to different places in the internet? Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:47:26 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We are going to have two links to the internet. One link is to carry national traffic to the other ISP's; one is to carry international traffic. How do I do this? Do I make a machine to act as a switch, with 3 ethernet cards: one to the local net, and one to each of the uplinks; this machine should then have a large static routetable? Or a machine with only one card, and the large static routetable; this machine is the default gateway for the rest? Or should I run routed? Or gated? And can either of these daemons construct the routing tables automatically? leifn@internet.dk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 29 16:47:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA07857 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:47:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from isot.com (ns.isot.com [208.24.245.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA07848 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:47:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@isot.com) Received: from office1.isot.com ([208.24.245.92]) by isot.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA29018 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:46:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from freebsd@isot.com) Received: by office1.isot.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BDEBDA.2445E440@office1.isot.com>; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:51:18 -0500 Message-ID: <01BDEBDA.2445E440@office1.isot.com> From: FreeBSD ISOT To: "'FreeBSD ISP'" Subject: idled.cf cause user kicked off after 1.5hours Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:51:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My PPP users are being kicked out after 1.5 hours. Please help. I have idled.cf file set to: sleep 300 warn 1200 conswins idle normal conswins multiple normal conswins session off threshold multiple 12 threshold session 11 multiples -1 timeout tty console 120 timeout default 120 exempt tty console session exempt group wheel all exempt login root all exempt login felix all To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 29 20:00:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA07551 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:00:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhost.clipper.net (mailhost.clipper.net [207.109.253.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA07543 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:00:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tim@clipper.net) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by mailhost.clipper.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA01611; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:59:35 -0700 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:59:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Wolfe To: linux-net@vger.rutgers.edu, list@inet-access.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Unix Routing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am in desperate need of the ability to do equal cost multi path routing under either Linux 2.0.X or FreeBSD 2.2.X. Just in case I'm using different terminology here is what I am looking to do. I have 2 ethernet connections to another network. I want traffic to switch between interface1 and interface2 every other packet. I will be extremely grateful if anyone could give me a pointer in the right direction. Also I would be willing to use other OS's to make this happen. TIA, Tim ---------------------------------------------------- Timothy M. Wolfe | Why surf when you can Sail? tim@clipper.net | Join Oregon's Premier Sr. Network Engineer | Wireless Internet Provider! ClipperNet Corporation | http://www.clipper.net/ ---------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 29 21:43:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA20036 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:43:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kapmail.com (srv.kapmail.com [206.31.219.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA20024 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:43:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from satya@dspsoft.com) Received: (qmail 20829 invoked from network); 30 Sep 1998 04:45:05 -0000 Received: from simba.dspsoft.com (206.31.219.210) by simba.dspsoft.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 1998 04:45:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:45:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Satya Devireddy X-Sender: satya@srv.kapmail.com To: Paul Stewart cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adding Hundreds Of Users In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm looking for a simple method of adding hundreds of users to a FreeBSD > box. I can obtain a listing of username, password (one to each line in a > text file) by exporting a database on another O/S. Can this be pumped > into a simple script or does adduser itself accept complete command line > variables? use can use adduser or pw to addusers. FYI I did a test about 3 months back adding 10000 users. I took the script about aout 1.5 days to complete!!! (over the weekend) where as deleteing them took about 8hrs. Initially it was fast adding about 1 user in about 1 or 2secs. In the end it was taking more than a minute. This was due to the password database being rewritten for everyuser. -Satya To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 29 23:29:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA03291 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:29:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from topgun.asiapac.net ([202.188.0.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA03279 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:29:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sckhoo@asiapac.net) Received: from asiapac.net ([202.160.12.62]) by topgun.asiapac.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id AAA2E6E; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:25:51 +0800 Message-ID: <3611CE73.CAEE04AA@asiapac.net> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:23:47 +0800 From: Swee-Chuan Khoo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Satya Devireddy CC: Paul Stewart , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adding Hundreds Of Users References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Satya Devireddy wrote: > > I'm looking for a simple method of adding hundreds of users to a FreeBSD > > box. I can obtain a listing of username, password (one to each line in a > > text file) by exporting a database on another O/S. Can this be pumped > > into a simple script or does adduser itself accept complete command line > > variables? > I did a test about 3 months back adding 10000 users. > I took the script about aout 1.5 days to complete!!! (over the weekend) > where as deleteing them took about 8hrs. can we use pwd_mkdb to do that? this will create pwd.db and spwd.db and by using scripts to create your normal passwd & master.passwd. i think this will only take a fraction of the time. just my RM0.02 -- Swee-Chuan Khoo, sckhoo@asiapac.net | Not only do i speak for http://www.asiapac.net/~sckhoo/ | myself; I am myself ------------------------------------------------------------- "Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed." -Martin Luther King, Jr. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 30 01:04:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA19481 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 01:04:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from public.fhnet.cn.net (ns.fhnet.cn.net [202.99.8.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA19476 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 01:04:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ncisoft@public3.bta.net.cn) Received: from lee (ppp82.fhnet.cn.net [202.99.8.82] (may be forged)) by public.fhnet.cn.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA20834 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:02:26 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:02:26 +0800 (CST) From: Lee To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: question about ftp proxy command Message-Id: <3611E63C315.075BNCISOFT@public.fhnet.cn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.24 (beta 6) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi all, Now I'm running one FreeBSD 2.2.5 box, which was linked to Internet directly, I want to using the proxy feature of ftp. the figure was below: proxy open my freebsd box ----> FTP Site(1) --------------> FTP Site(2) then I type commands like these: [my fbsd] % ftp ftp.site.1 ftp> proxy open ftp.site.2 ftp> proxy put file.in.ftp.site.2 local: filename remote: filename ftp.site.2:200 Type set to I. ftp.site.2:227 Entering Passive Mode (202,96,0,124,19,135) ftp.site.1:200 Type set to I. ftp.site.1:500 Illegal PORT Command I'm very puzzled, why "Illegal PORT Command"¡£If I used my another FreeBsd box which was linked to internet via ppp connection, no any problem at all, the file was transfered to the ftp.site.1 from site2. My English is poor :-((( Best Regards, YG Lee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 30 01:29:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA23039 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 01:29:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from enya.hilink.com.au (enya.hilink.com.au [203.8.14.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA23034 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 01:29:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danny@enya.hilink.com.au) Received: from localhost (danny@localhost) by enya.hilink.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA11328; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:28:24 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from danny@enya.hilink.com.au) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:28:24 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Satya Devireddy cc: Paul Stewart , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adding Hundreds Of Users In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Satya Devireddy wrote: > use can use adduser or pw to addusers. > > FYI > > I did a test about 3 months back adding 10000 users. > I took the script about aout 1.5 days to complete!!! (over the weekend) > where as deleteing them took about 8hrs. > > Initially it was fast adding about 1 user in about 1 or 2secs. > In the end it was taking more than a minute. If you have a very large list of users with associated passwords, it would be much better to write a perl script which generated the appropriate password file entries without doing the pwd_mkdb until the very end. It's not that hard, especially if all of the user accounts are to be set up in the same manner. Danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 30 09:41:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA00686 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:41:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00665 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:40:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id JAA07313; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma007311; Wed Sep 30 09:40:31 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id JAA26226; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:40:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199809301640.JAA26226@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: IPFW, Dual network cards In-Reply-To: <3612702d.118121810@smtp.shellnet.co.uk> from Steven Fletcher at "Sep 30, 98 05:53:58 pm" To: steven@shellnet.co.uk (Steven Fletcher) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:40:31 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Steven Fletcher writes: > We've been running a combination of IPFW, NATD and IPLTD for some time > now - very successfully I might add - at controlling bandwidth and > using IP translation for our internal computers. > > However we're attempting to make this a little more secure (as > changing IP and gateway is a bit easy :>) and would like to know if > possible the following: > > 1) Will FreeBSD (3.0-19980804-SNAP) allow us to physically separate > the network by placing 2 network cards in the machine and connecting > one to each of our switches? Do I need anything such as routed to be > running? Are you talking about bridging or routing? If the former, yes but with some work (ie, kernel patches). If the latter, just edit rc.conf to enable IP forwarding and set up your routes. You don't need routed. > 2) If so, can this network setup route other protocols - i.e Windows > NetBEUI traffic or IPX setup? (I'm really looking for a 'no' answer > here - if yes can it be stopped?) FreeBSD doesn't do that stuff.. it has some vestigial code in the kernel but nobody uses it and it's disabled by default. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 30 15:20:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09702 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:20:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp.shellnet.co.uk (smtp.shellnet.co.uk [194.129.209.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09611 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:19:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steven@shellnet.co.uk) Received: from dial-10-01.bolton.cspace.co.uk (dial-10-01.bolton.cspace.co.uk [194.128.147.26]) by smtp.shellnet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1-shellnet.stevenf) with SMTP id XAA07956; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:19:09 +0100 (BST) Posted-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:19:09 +0100 (BST) From: steven@shellnet.co.uk (Steven Fletcher) To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPFW, Dual network cards Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:18:30 GMT Message-ID: <3615a823.10152184@smtp.shellnet.co.uk> References: <3.0.3.32.19980930152823.00720380@207.227.119.2> In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980930152823.00720380@207.227.119.2> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id PAA09669 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:28:23 -0500, you wrote: >You are aware that by default Windoze does NetBEUI over TCP/IP and file sharing should be done via NetBEUI. Aha. This is a case of simply closing the relevant tcp ports via ipfw yes ? > He was a bit slow Aren't they all? }:> > >I'd bet there are a lot of vulnerable printers out there. ;) *grin* What follows this line is only for the strong-minded: Okay, so I have managed to get FreeBSD installed and the network cards in place. The situation is this: I have one Intel EtherExpress PRO as fxp0. This is the card that is connected to our Cisco switch @ 100Mb/s (the main network). This (I belive) is what is known as the public interface? Its IP is 194.129.209.8 (eth2-fw1.bolton.shellnet.co.uk) Then there is one RealTek(Groan) 8019 card as ed0. This is setup correctly as far as I can see - However occasionally the kernel says "ed0: device timeout". I think I am right here in setting its IPs as 192.168.0.1 (for the internal network) and as 194.129.209.15 (which will be the default gateway of the bandwidth limited machines that use it.) It's connected to a cheap 8 port non-switching hub. The following diagram should illustrate this: .-----------------------. | FreeBSD 3 | '-----------------------' / \ Intel Realtek 194.129.209.8 192.168.0.1/194.129.209.15 | | | | Internal network | Cisco Hub to | 2501 router. bandwidth limited servers So, I plugged in the cards and hubs, and now I'd like to do the following: 1) Using IOS for the IP's of the bandwidth limited servers, I'll plonk: ip route 194.129.209.whatever 255.255.255.255 Ethernet0 194.129.209.8 or ip route 194.129.209.whatever 255.255.255.255 Ethernet0 194.129.209.15 ? Will 194.129.209.8 know that 194.129.209.whatever is accessible via the RealTek card and be able to forward the packets? Or will the rest of my network be able to see 194.129.209.15 even though it is indirectly connected to the network? Just how do I tell FreeBSD to route packets from one network card to the 2nd network card and vice versa. I've tried this, y'see, with no luck. The situation before was that some of our smart-arse customers we able to change the default gateway and subnet mask (Windows NT hosted servers) of their machines and bypass (at least) the outgoing bandwidth limitations - incoming traffic was still limited by the router statements so physical security is the next step up. Anyway, it didn't appear to work after almost all afternoon trying to figure this out.... I'm a little stuck now and am desperately looking for people who've done this before to advise on how I go about resolving this situation :) Thanks for reading... It's a little long but I have a habit of wanting to make things clear - usually undone in that I in fact make thinks worse. TIA Steven Fletcher steven@shellnet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 30 20:27:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA29139 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:27:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA29108 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:26:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA21419; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:26:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from harkol-125.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.64.253) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma021417; Wed Sep 30 22:26:25 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980930222457.00788dd8@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:24:57 -0500 To: steven@shellnet.co.uk (Steven Fletcher) From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: IPFW, Dual network cards Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3615a823.10152184@smtp.shellnet.co.uk> References: <3.0.3.32.19980930152823.00720380@207.227.119.2> <3.0.3.32.19980930152823.00720380@207.227.119.2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:18 PM 9/30/98 GMT, Steven Fletcher wrote: >>You are aware that by default Windoze does NetBEUI over TCP/IP and file sharing should be done via NetBEUI. > >Aha. This is a case of simply closing the relevant tcp ports via ipfw >yes ? Truely, but using a FBSD server as a router does this without adding filters everywhere and what about NT colo's (which you have)? In an ISP environment, filter the ports adds a bit more work (and overhead), since you need to protect from colo's _and_ dialup. There is no reason to add IFPW to several machines if one will do and cover them all. Unless you want to protect them from each other, which is a good idea. Matter of desired security and style. I've simplified a bit, but overall setup decides the solution. Not allowing telnet simplifies everything. >> He was a bit slow > >Aren't they all? }:> This guy ran a business selling websites no less and I didn't care to do his work for him. Not ignorant, which I don't consider a bad word, but truely slow. Disgustingly so. >What follows this line is only for the strong-minded: > >Okay, so I have managed to get FreeBSD installed and the network cards >in place. > >The situation is this: > >I have one Intel EtherExpress PRO as fxp0. This is the card that is >connected to our Cisco switch @ 100Mb/s (the main network). This (I >belive) is what is known as the public interface? Its IP is >194.129.209.8 (eth2-fw1.bolton.shellnet.co.uk) > >Then there is one RealTek(Groan) 8019 card as ed0. This is setup >correctly as far as I can see - However occasionally the kernel says >"ed0: device timeout". I think I am right here in setting its IPs as >192.168.0.1 (for the internal network) and as 194.129.209.15 (which >will be the default gateway of the bandwidth limited machines that use >it.) It's connected to a cheap 8 port non-switching hub. The following >diagram should illustrate this: Ususally device timeouts on ed0 (and ep0 in 2.2.5 and earlier) mean that the IRQ/address the kernel is looking for are not how the card is set. Were you able to 'netstat -i' and ping the ip from another machine on the internal network? God knows how many oddball cards I've dealt with that had no driver disks and were so no-name brand that I had to hunt for the right combination. Thanks the gods of FBSD for visual_userconfig! > .-----------------------. > | FreeBSD 3 | > '-----------------------' > / \ > Intel Realtek > 194.129.209.8 192.168.0.1/194.129.209.15 > | | | > | Internal network | > Cisco Hub to | > 2501 router. bandwidth limited servers > >So, I plugged in the cards and hubs, and now I'd like to do the >following: > >1) Using IOS for the IP's of the bandwidth limited servers, I'll >plonk: > >ip route 194.129.209.whatever 255.255.255.255 Ethernet0 194.129.209.8 >or >ip route 194.129.209.whatever 255.255.255.255 Ethernet0 194.129.209.15 >? Why do you have the same network on both sides? And since you have unrouteable private IP addresses on the Realtek. This is a case for natd, but even if they were routeable IPs, it would be incorrect. The routes don't make sense to me either and you seem to be talking Ciscoese. >Will 194.129.209.8 know that 194.129.209.whatever is accessible via >the RealTek card and be able to forward the packets? Or will the rest >of my network be able to see 194.129.209.15 even though it is >indirectly connected to the network? Just how do I tell FreeBSD to >route packets from one network card to the 2nd network card and vice >versa. > >I've tried this, y'see, with no luck. > >The situation before was that some of our smart-arse customers we able >to change the default gateway and subnet mask (Windows NT hosted >servers) of their machines and bypass (at least) the outgoing >bandwidth limitations - incoming traffic was still limited by the >router statements so physical security is the next step up. No clue on your needs, so I'm not going into detail and related subjects have been on the list often enough. Not to rudely push you to the archives, but there are several alternative to the overall network design and a bit of reading will make for plenty of ideas of varying complex simplicity. ;) Using private IPs will conserve your nets of course. For starters in rc.conf you need: gateway_enable=YES natd_enable="YES" natd_interface="fxp0" natd_flags="" Your kernel will need to be recompiled with: options IPFIREWALL options IPDIVERT You will need to 'man natd' for more details or check the list archives, but I only say this because there is a very simple way.... Why not use SNMP on the Cisco and MRTG for this instead. No need for the server and NAT and they _must_ go through the switch. However, you will use your routeable IP addresses and it will cost more per colo server, but then how do setup fees come about? >Anyway, it didn't appear to work after almost all afternoon trying to >figure this out.... I'm a little stuck now and am desperately looking >for people who've done this before to advise on how I go about >resolving this situation :) Not suprising with private IPs that would only have worked locally. I've never done natd myself, except from home, but it certainly helps being on the lists here for 2+ years and also on Livingston's lists, so only the specifics and experience lack, not alternative methods. It would be cheaper to use NAT and your setup, but using the switch will segment the servers and should be smidgen better for performance (ducks). My preference. >Thanks for reading... It's a little long but I have a habit of wanting >to make things clear - usually undone in that I in fact make thinks >worse. Network questions are frequently long. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 30 20:41:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00880 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:41:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA00867 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:41:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA21465; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:41:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from harkol-125.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.64.253) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma021463; Wed Sep 30 22:41:21 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980930223953.007890e4@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 22:39:53 -0500 To: Archie Cobbs From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: IPFW, Dual network cards Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199809301640.JAA26226@bubba.whistle.com> References: <3612702d.118121810@smtp.shellnet.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:40 AM 9/30/98 -0700, Archie Cobbs wrote: >Steven Fletcher writes: >> We've been running a combination of IPFW, NATD and IPLTD for some time >> now - very successfully I might add - at controlling bandwidth and >> using IP translation for our internal computers. >> >> However we're attempting to make this a little more secure (as >> changing IP and gateway is a bit easy :>) and would like to know if >> possible the following: >> >> 1) Will FreeBSD (3.0-19980804-SNAP) allow us to physically separate >> the network by placing 2 network cards in the machine and connecting >> one to each of our switches? Do I need anything such as routed to be >> running? > >Are you talking about bridging or routing? If the former, yes but >with some work (ie, kernel patches). If the latter, just edit rc.conf >to enable IP forwarding and set up your routes. You don't need routed. Could you clarify what you mean by "IP forwarding" in rc.conf, which is a bit unclear. Don't gateway_enable=YES and natd (et all) handle this? I've found routed next to useless. >> 2) If so, can this network setup route other protocols - i.e Windows >> NetBEUI traffic or IPX setup? (I'm really looking for a 'no' answer >> here - if yes can it be stopped?) > >FreeBSD doesn't do that stuff.. it has some vestigial code in the >kernel but nobody uses it and it's disabled by default. But doesn't stop NetBEUI over TCP/IP, does it? This aspect, among others, is rather annoying in dealing with Windoze, as I pointed out privately. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 1 05:03:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA06864 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:03:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unix.kawartha.com (unix.kawartha.com [204.101.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA06851 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:03:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@kawartha.com) Received: from shell.kawartha.com (shell.kawartha.com [204.101.15.43]) by unix.kawartha.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA22077 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:22:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Stewart To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Offtopic: PM3 versus Total Control Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry for the offtopic post, but I figure everyone on this list will have an opinion they can send me via email...:) We are in a decision making stage of going either with Portmaster 3's from Livingston or the USR Total Control systems with HyperArc and DSP. Can anyone on the list help make our decision easier. We can get them for the same price (+/-) but just not sure which route to take any why. Thanks very much, Paul Stewart To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 1 07:05:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA22186 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:05:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp.shellnet.co.uk (smtp.shellnet.co.uk [194.129.209.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA22156 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 07:05:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steven@shellnet.co.uk) Received: from vectra.shellnet.co.uk (vectra.shellnet.co.uk [194.129.209.9]) by smtp.shellnet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1-shellnet.stevenf) with SMTP id PAA18321 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:05:11 +0100 (BST) Posted-Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:05:11 +0100 (BST) From: steven@shellnet.co.uk (Steven Fletcher) To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPFW, Dual network cards Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:04:40 GMT Message-ID: <3616d860.81916389@smtp.shellnet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id HAA22164 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've kinda got somewhere :) My copy of the Complete FreeBSD handbook arrived this morning (Thanks walnut creek!) and I've had a chance to look at the examples in that. I've not been able to find a great deal on the mailing list archives that are any help however. I belive I have managed to sort these peliminary problems out anyway, however one problems remains with regard to the bandwidth limited servers (Those using the same class-C but physially seperate) I get the following when trying to ping from them: /kernel: arp: 194.129.209.16 is on fxp0 but got reply from 00:c0:f0:16:1c:83 on ed0 I've configged our router (on the other side of the network) to send all data to fxp0 on the FreeBSD box - however it gets stuck from there. Trying a vareity of "route add" commands is getting me nowhere. netstat -r shows: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default pipex-gw.shellnet. UGSc 3 56 fxp0 localhost localhost UH 0 1 lo0 192.168 link#2 UC 0 0 ed0 192.168.0.6 link#2 UHLW 1 352 ed0 194.129.209 link#1 UC 0 0 fxp0 pipex-gw.shellnet. 0:0:c:93:2:33 UHLW 2 0 fxp0 971 vectra.shellnet.co 52:54:4c:17:2:e9 UHLW 1 284 fxp0 1116 smtp.shellnet.co.u 0:20:18:58:e:6f UHLW 0 24 fxp0 456 and ifconfig -a is: fxp0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 194.129.209.8 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 194.129.209.255 ether 00:a0:c9:a6:3b:43 media: autoselect supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX 10baseT/UT P 10baseT/UTP ed0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 ether 52:54:4c:09:ea:72 So; so I have to add a manual route for each IP behind the firewall that I want to use? Surley there is an easier way :) Steven steven@shellnet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 1 08:09:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02737 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:09:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02717 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:09:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id IAA19794; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma019782; Thu Oct 1 08:08:43 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id IAA00256; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:08:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199810011508.IAA00256@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: IPFW, Dual network cards In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980930223953.007890e4@207.227.119.2> from "Jeffrey J. Mountin" at "Sep 30, 98 10:39:53 pm" To: jeff-ml@mountin.net (Jeffrey J. Mountin) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jeffrey J. Mountin writes: > >> 1) Will FreeBSD (3.0-19980804-SNAP) allow us to physically separate > >> the network by placing 2 network cards in the machine and connecting > >> one to each of our switches? Do I need anything such as routed to be > >> running? > > > >Are you talking about bridging or routing? If the former, yes but > >with some work (ie, kernel patches). If the latter, just edit rc.conf > >to enable IP forwarding and set up your routes. You don't need routed. > > Could you clarify what you mean by "IP forwarding" in rc.conf, which is a bit unclear. Don't gateway_enable=YES and natd (et all) handle this? Enabling forwarding in rc.conf == setting "gateway_enable=YES" in rc.conf. "IP forwarding" == "IP routing". > >> 2) If so, can this network setup route other protocols - i.e Windows > >> NetBEUI traffic or IPX setup? (I'm really looking for a 'no' answer > >> here - if yes can it be stopped?) > > > >FreeBSD doesn't do that stuff.. it has some vestigial code in the > >kernel but nobody uses it and it's disabled by default. > > But doesn't stop NetBEUI over TCP/IP, does it? This aspect, among others, is rather annoying in dealing with Windoze, as I pointed out privately. No, routers don't typically look into the packets that they route. Use ipfw to block ports 137,138,139 if you want to stop NetBEUI stuff. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 1 09:34:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA17566 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:34:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nak.myhouse.com (nak.myhouse.com [209.70.45.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17557 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:34:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zoonie@myhouse.com) Received: from localhost (zoonie@localhost) by nak.myhouse.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA28128; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:33:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from zoonie@myhouse.com) X-Authentication-Warning: nak.myhouse.com: zoonie owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:33:40 -0400 (EDT) From: zoonie To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" cc: Archie Cobbs , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPFW, Dual network cards In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980930223953.007890e4@207.227.119.2> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > >> 2) If so, can this network setup route other protocols - i.e Windows > >> NetBEUI traffic or IPX setup? (I'm really looking for a 'no' answer > >> here - if yes can it be stopped?) > > > >FreeBSD doesn't do that stuff.. it has some vestigial code in the > >kernel but nobody uses it and it's disabled by default. > > But doesn't stop NetBEUI over TCP/IP, does it? This aspect, among others, is rather annoying in dealing with Windoze, as I pointed out privately. > no it doesn't, netbios over IP will go where ever the packets are routed to unless you specifically block them with an access list....... --------------------------------------------- The devil finds work for idle circuits to do. --------------------------------------------- zoonie at myhouse dot com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 1 10:52:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29791 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:52:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA29784 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:52:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA23850; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:52:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from harkol-87.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.64.215) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma023847; Thu Oct 1 12:52:17 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981001125055.010c99c8@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 12:50:55 -0500 To: Archie Cobbs From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: IPFW, Dual network cards Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810011508.IAA00256@bubba.whistle.com> References: <3.0.3.32.19980930223953.007890e4@207.227.119.2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:08 AM 10/1/98 -0700, Archie Cobbs wrote: >Enabling forwarding in rc.conf == setting "gateway_enable=YES" in rc.conf. >"IP forwarding" == "IP routing". Gotcha, but isn't natd required if you use private IPs? I'd test it, but my system is still TKO. >No, routers don't typically look into the packets that they route. >Use ipfw to block ports 137,138,139 if you want to stop NetBEUI stuff. Ah yes, blocked at the router and from dial-in with filters, so there was no need for running ipfw in my case. If a network were setup with 2 ether ports on the router (Cisco or FBSD) then _every_ machine doesn't need it. The problem I see with the colo's is protecting them from each other, after you protect yourself. Steven's setup can do this. My preferance is to use a second ether port on the router. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 1 11:39:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08738 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:39:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08663 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:39:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id LAA22654; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:38:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma022649; Thu Oct 1 11:38:24 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id LAA01991; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:38:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199810011838.LAA01991@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: IPFW, Dual network cards In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19981001125055.010c99c8@207.227.119.2> from "Jeffrey J. Mountin" at "Oct 1, 98 12:50:55 pm" To: jeff-ml@mountin.net (Jeffrey J. Mountin) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:38:24 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jeffrey J. Mountin writes: > At 08:08 AM 10/1/98 -0700, Archie Cobbs wrote: > >Enabling forwarding in rc.conf == setting "gateway_enable=YES" in rc.conf. > >"IP forwarding" == "IP routing". > > Gotcha, but isn't natd required if you use private IPs? I'd test it, but my system is still TKO. Yes.. ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 1 13:25:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA26270 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:25:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA26259 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:25:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jer@jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jer@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA12272; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:24:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:24:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeremy Shaffner To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" cc: Alan Batie , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Strange popper behavior In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980926154836.006e0320@207.227.119.2> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 26 Sep 1998, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > > This may not be related, but a similar problem with a user/password that > would not work with popper, but would with telnet and ftp. Rather > puzzling, since I could change the username or password, but otherwise > it would give password incorrect. Even if I redid the password and > verified the DES was different. This was with qpoppper 2.50 on a 2.2.6 > system. Never checked if this was a problem on 2.2.7 with the lastest > port. Check user and group permissions on the mail file and .pop temp file. Incorrect permissions result in an (apparant) invalid username and password error in most pop mailers. This happens to us from time to time. I've written a perl script as an alternative to finger(1) called "toe". Provides a convenient way for techs to check mailbox perms and sizes (and other goodies) instead of `ls -l /var/mail/user; ls -l /var/mail/user.pop`. It's quite a bit customized for other things we do but if you're interested I'll share. $ toe jer Name: Jeremy Shaffner,,219-322-2180 Created: Aug 22 1997 Mail: Thu Oct 1 14:20:26 1998 Owned: jer.wheel Size: 738361 Last Dial-Up Login: Wed Sep 30 23:00 - 02:34 Last System Login: Thu Oct 1 14:49 still logged -===================================================================- Jeremy Shaffner JORSM Internet Senior Technical Support Northwest Indiana's Premium jer@jorsm.com Internet Service Provider support@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com -===================================================================- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 1 18:51:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10990 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:51:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from guardian.fortress.org (guardian.fortress.org [199.202.137.242] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA10975 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:50:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@guardian.fortress.org) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by guardian.fortress.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA27784 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:50:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from andrew@guardian.fortress.org) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:50:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Webster Reply-To: andrew@pubnix.net To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Looking for... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! I'm looking for an ISDN dual channel type modem that would either have - 2 Serial ports or 1 ethernet jack - Receive V.34 / V.90 or ISDN calls on either one or both channels The USRobotics I-Modem only has 1 serial port, so it's kinda useless. I guess the nearest equivalent would be a 2 port Livingston PM-3. Any suggestions? Thanks! Andrew Webster andrew@pubnix.net Key fingerprint = CF E8 16 B8 A6 DB E3 C9 83 E7 96 24 25 58 15 6E PubNIX Montreal Connected to the world Branche au monde P.O. Box 147 Cote Saint Luc, Quebec H4V 2Y3 tel 514.990.5911 http://www.pubnix.net fax 514.990.9443 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 1 19:34:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15385 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:34:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA15379 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 19:34:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA25840; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:34:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from klinzhai-9.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.65.137) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma025838; Thu Oct 1 21:34:05 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981001213153.010e3154@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 21:31:53 -0500 To: andrew@pubnix.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Looking for... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:50 PM 10/1/98 -0400, Andrew Webster wrote: >Hi! > >I'm looking for an ISDN dual channel type modem that would either have > - 2 Serial ports or 1 ethernet jack > - Receive V.34 / V.90 or ISDN calls on either one or both channels > >The USRobotics I-Modem only has 1 serial port, so it's kinda useless. > >I guess the nearest equivalent would be a 2 port Livingston PM-3. A 2 piece ensamble consisting of OR-U-AP and a V.90 modem, but only one channel would take analog. Does close count? One has to wonder why you want such an odd creature. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 1 20:35:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA20064 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:35:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (gatekeeper.Alameda.net [207.90.181.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA20044 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:35:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ulf@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net) Received: by Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id UAA19510; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19981001203527.A17740@Alameda.net> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:35:31 -0700 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: andrew@pubnix.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Looking for... Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew Webster on Thu, Oct 01, 1998 at 09:50:39PM -0400 Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 01, 1998 at 09:50:39PM -0400, Andrew Webster wrote: > > Hi! > > I'm looking for an ISDN dual channel type modem that would either have > - 2 Serial ports or 1 ethernet jack > - Receive V.34 / V.90 or ISDN calls on either one or both channels > > The USRobotics I-Modem only has 1 serial port, so it's kinda useless. > > I guess the nearest equivalent would be a 2 port Livingston PM-3. http://netgear.baynetworks.com/ Look for RT328 ISDN Router. Cost $269 at several places. Has U Interface, 2 POTS, AUI and TP. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks! > > Andrew Webster andrew@pubnix.net > Key fingerprint = CF E8 16 B8 A6 DB E3 C9 83 E7 96 24 25 58 15 6E > PubNIX Montreal Connected to the world Branche au monde > P.O. Box 147 Cote Saint Luc, Quebec H4V 2Y3 > tel 514.990.5911 http://www.pubnix.net fax 514.990.9443 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 1 20:53:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21981 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:53:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aniwa.sky (pppk-14.igrin.co.nz [202.49.245.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA21975 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:53:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by aniwa.sky (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA27345; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:34:30 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:34:29 +1200 (NZST) From: Andrew McNaughton X-Sender: andrew@aniwa.sky Reply-To: andrew@squiz.co.nz To: Andrew Kenneth Milton cc: chris@senet.com.au, grog@lemis.com, jim@thunder.st0rm.com, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Satellite link drivers (was Re: backbone connections in Australia) In-Reply-To: <199809280702.RAA28040@zeus.theinternet.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Andrew Kenneth Milton wrote: > +----[ Andrew McNaughton ]--------------------------------------------- > | > (You would need a small terrestrial link for outbound traffic as well). > | > > | > IMHO, I'll have latency over packet loss any day - international > | > traffic is so much nicer :-) > | > | 1 million dollars? > | > | Ihug offers sattelite dishes to home users in new zealand with a similar > | arrangement re phonel ine for outgoing data. They charge $600 setup + $79 > | per month for a 400Kbit link. Your setup is ten times the bandwidth for > | 1000 times the price. Latency is reportedly about 0.1 second. I believe > | they're moving into the Australian market. > > They have. > > They charge $550 US per 64/Kb. You can start from as little 64Kb. > Traffic over 1Mb is $500 US per 64Kb I think... > > I'm not sure they offer anything outside of Capital Cities yet so you'd > have to check that. Has anyone looked into drivers to run the satellite dish directly from FreeBSD, or do people use windows boxes for that? Would the need to route outgoing traffic via a different interface from incoming traffic create any major problems for doing this under freebsd? Andrew McNaughton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 2 06:24:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24342 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:24:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (sabre.goldsword.com [199.170.202.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24313 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:24:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from jfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA17453; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:27:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "John T. Farmer" Message-Id: <199810021327.JAA17453@sabre.goldsword.com> To: andrew@pubnix.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, jeff-ml@mountin.net Subject: Re: Looking for... Cc: jfarmer@goldsword.com Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 1 22:43:56 1998 >X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) On Thu, 01 Oct 1998 21:31:53 -0500 "Jeffrey J. Mountin" said: >At 09:50 PM 10/1/98 -0400, Andrew Webster wrote: >>I'm looking for an ISDN dual channel type modem that would either have >> - 2 Serial ports or 1 ethernet jack >> - Receive V.34 / V.90 or ISDN calls on either one or both channels >> >>The USRobotics I-Modem only has 1 serial port, so it's kinda useless. >> >>I guess the nearest equivalent would be a 2 port Livingston PM-3. > >A 2 piece ensamble consisting of OR-U-AP and a V.90 modem, but only one channel would take analog. Does close count? > >One has to wonder why you want such an odd creature. > The typical use of such a beast would be in a small office to allow 1 or 2 people to dial into the office network. I've also looked for such a creature for use in specialized networks such as remote access to plant control systems. In both of these examples, there were compelling reasons to _not_ connect the lan to the Internet or use a VPN through the Internet. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John T. Farmer Proprietor, GoldSword Systems jfarmer@goldsword.com Public Internet Access in East Tennessee Office: (423)691-6498 for info, e-mail to info@goldsword.com Network Design, Internet Services & Servers, Consulting To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 2 06:42:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27413 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:42:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (sabre.goldsword.com [199.170.202.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27398 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:42:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from jfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA17529; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:45:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "John T. Farmer" Message-Id: <199810021345.JAA17529@sabre.goldsword.com> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Looking for... Cc: jfarmer@goldsword.com Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:35:31 -0700 Ulf Zimmermann said: >On Thu, Oct 01, 1998 at 09:50:39PM -0400, Andrew Webster wrote: >> I'm looking for an ISDN dual channel type modem that would either have >> - 2 Serial ports or 1 ethernet jack >> - Receive V.34 / V.90 or ISDN calls on either one or both channels >> >> The USRobotics I-Modem only has 1 serial port, so it's kinda useless. >> >> I guess the nearest equivalent would be a 2 port Livingston PM-3. > >http://netgear.baynetworks.com/ > >Look for RT328 ISDN Router. Cost $269 at several places. Has U Interface, >2 POTS, AUI and TP. Ulf, Read the question again. He's looking for a box that will physically connect to an ISDN BRI line _and_ accept ISDN or analog calls (upto v.90) as a host. As a "modem box" the nearest equiv. is the 3com/USR MP-8/i box. Handles 4 BRIs, accepts ISDN or analog calls & presents them on 8 async serial ports. The nearest "ethernet" box that I know of would be the Ascend Max1800 with a digital modem card in it. Does anybody have experience with using MVIP bus or similar Computer-Telephony cards under FreeBSD? I've often thought that a nice low-density RAS system could be built around FreeBSD and some of these cards. It would require one or more cards to interface to BRI or PRI circuits, a pot of DSP-based digital modems, and some processing power to switch incoming call to either the modems (analog calls) or ISDN calls to another sub-system (Ascend calls them HDLC processors). John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John T. Farmer Proprietor, GoldSword Systems jfarmer@goldsword.com Public Internet Access in East Tennessee Office: (423)691-6498 for info, e-mail to info@goldsword.com Network Design, Internet Services & Servers, Consulting To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 2 07:49:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08937 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:49:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kemicol.rezidew.net (kemicol.rezidew.net [209.100.228.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08923 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:49:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rezidew@kemicol.rezidew.net) Received: (from rezidew@localhost) by kemicol.rezidew.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA06468 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:49:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rezidew) From: Graphic Rezidew Message-Id: <199810021449.JAA06468@kemicol.rezidew.net> Subject: t-1 from whom? To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:49:07 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I run a network over my dual channel ISDN connection to do some shell, mail, and web-serving. As one would imagine, I am saturating my bandwidth. I have decided to get a T-1 and am considering service from AT-WORK (a company affiliated with AT-HOME, the cable modem people). The price is quite fair $1000/mo for a line that is basicly only restricting me from providing dial-up, based on the terms of usage doc. The Thing that concerns me is that their network is so NEW...I am wondering if they have clean through put to the rest of the internet. If anyone uses them Please let me know what your experience has been. NOTE: I am not interested in hearing about how swell your cable modem is. I am not signing up for cable modem service. This will be a real T-1 on a network seperate from AT-HOME. Thanks in advance --Graphic Rezidew Graphic@rezidew.net http://graphic.rezidew.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 2 10:31:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA06310 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:31:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail-ord-2.pilot.net (mail-ord-2.pilot.net [205.243.174.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06303 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:31:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from John_Sconieres@ama-assn.org) Received: from unknown-31-162.ama-assn.org ([204.48.31.162]) by mail-ord-2.pilot.net (Pilot/) with ESMTP id MAA24162 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:31:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gateway.ama-assn.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unknown-31-162.ama-assn.org with SMTP id MAA27066 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:31:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: by gateway.ama-assn.org id AA03447 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG); Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:29:50 -0500 Received: by gateway.ama-assn.org (Internal Mail Agent-1); Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:29:50 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:28:02 -0500 From: John Sconiers To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, rezidew@kemicol.rezidew.net Subject: Re: t-1 from whom? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org where are you located? Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II >>> Graphic Rezidew 10/02 9:49 AM >>> Hi, I run a network over my dual channel ISDN connection to do some shell, mail, and web-serving. As one would imagine, I am saturating my bandwidth. I have decided to get a T-1 and am considering service from AT-WORK (a company affiliated with AT-HOME, the cable modem people). The price is quite fair $1000/mo for a line that is basicly only restricting me from providing dial-up, based on the terms of usage doc. The Thing that concerns me is that their network is so NEW...I am wondering if they have clean through put to the rest of the internet. If anyone uses them Please let me know what your experience has been. NOTE: I am not interested in hearing about how swell your cable modem is. I am not signing up for cable modem service. This will be a real T-1 on a network seperate from AT-HOME. Thanks in advance --Graphic Rezidew Graphic@rezidew.net http://graphic.rezidew.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 2 11:48:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16683 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:48:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from carp.gbr.epa.gov (carp.gbr.epa.gov [204.46.159.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16672 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:48:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjenkins@carp.gbr.epa.gov) Received: (from mjenkins@localhost) by carp.gbr.epa.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03536; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:48:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mjenkins) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:48:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Jenkins Message-Id: <199810021848.NAA03536@carp.gbr.epa.gov> To: steven@shellnet.co.uk Subject: Re: IPFW, Dual network cards Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3615a823.10152184@smtp.shellnet.co.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > .-----------------------. > | FreeBSD 3 | > '-----------------------' > / \ > Intel Realtek > 194.129.209.8 192.168.0.1/194.129.209.15 > | | | > | Internal network | > Cisco Hub to | > 2501 router. bandwidth limited servers If you can convince FreeBSD that a few strays from 194.129.209.0 live on the inside network, then arpproxy_all="YES" is your friend. No need for any extra routes in the router. FreeBSD will answer the arp requests for the strays and forward the packets. This is no different than a PPP dialup where the remote client appears to be on the LAN. Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 2 12:32:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22107 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:32:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22086 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:32:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from graeme@echidna.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA13250; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:31:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from prn-nj3-22.ix.netcom.com(199.183.207.118) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma013224; Fri Oct 2 14:30:51 1998 Message-ID: <36155347.63A2@echidna.com> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:27:19 -0700 From: Graeme Tait Organization: Echidna X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graphic Rezidew CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: t-1 from whom? References: <199810021449.JAA06468@kemicol.rezidew.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Graphic Rezidew wrote: > > Hi, I run a network over my dual channel ISDN connection to do some shell, > mail, and web-serving. As one would imagine, I am saturating my bandwidth. > I have decided to get a T-1 and am considering service from AT-WORK (a > company affiliated with AT-HOME, the cable modem people). The price is > quite fair $1000/mo for a line that is basicly only restricting me from > providing dial-up, based on the terms of usage doc. > The Thing that concerns me is that their network is so NEW...I am > wondering if they have clean through put to the rest of the internet. > > If anyone uses them Please let me know what your experience has been. > > NOTE: I am not interested in hearing about how swell your cable modem is. > I am not signing up for cable modem service. This will be a real > T-1 on a network seperate from AT-HOME. You don't say what region you are in. We seriously considered getting T-1 into our NYC office before deciding to go with colocation instead. One of the T-1 candidates was @home - their price was good, but we got nervous about their quality. Please don't read this as a condemnation of them, as the evidence is too slim, but you could consider it a red flag. We had a client with partial T-1 from @home into their NYC office. I tried accessing their webserver from various points external to @home's network. I was not satisfied with the results, in particular it looked like there might be problems with their peering into particular networks. The same networks worked fine with Exodus, NJ (one of our colo candidates). But about this time the @home issue became moot at we switched our focus to colo. Ask @home for a list of clients that are connected via whatever point you will be. Access (http, ping, traceroute) those clients webservers, etc. from a variety of ISP's, etc. You might also want to ask @home for specific details of their network and headroom policies. -- Graeme Tait - Echidna To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 2 14:38:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09982 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:38:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA09942 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:38:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA07633; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:37:31 GMT Message-Id: <199810021737.RAA07633@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 17:50:15 -0400 To: Graphic Rezidew , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Dennis Subject: Re: t-1 from whom? In-Reply-To: <199810021449.JAA06468@kemicol.rezidew.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:49 AM 10/2/98 -0500, Graphic Rezidew wrote: >Hi, I run a network over my dual channel ISDN connection to do some shell, >mail, and web-serving. As one would imagine, I am saturating my bandwidth. >I have decided to get a T-1 and am considering service from AT-WORK (a >company affiliated with AT-HOME, the cable modem people). The price is >quite fair $1000/mo for a line that is basicly only restricting me from >providing dial-up, based on the terms of usage doc. > The Thing that concerns me is that their network is so NEW...I am >wondering if they have clean through put to the rest of the internet. > >If anyone uses them Please let me know what your experience has been. > >NOTE: I am not interested in hearing about how swell your cable modem is. > I am not signing up for cable modem service. This will be a real > T-1 on a network seperate from AT-HOME. Note that @home's philosophy is to provide high speed LOCAL access with no guarantees on internet access. They want to provide libraries of programs on the local wire and to allow high speed connectivity between locations with a ring. Their plans to manage bottlenecks are questionable at best. Unless the price is a LOT less than a T1 to a service provider I'd pass. Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Oct 3 19:19:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13133 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:19:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from guardian.fortress.org (guardian.fortress.org [199.202.137.242] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13047 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:19:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@guardian.fortress.org) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by guardian.fortress.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA27087; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:18:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from andrew@guardian.fortress.org) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:18:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Webster Reply-To: andrew@pubnix.net To: "John T. Farmer" cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Looking for... In-Reply-To: <199810021345.JAA17529@sabre.goldsword.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 2 Oct 1998, John T. Farmer wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:35:31 -0700 Ulf Zimmermann said: > >On Thu, Oct 01, 1998 at 09:50:39PM -0400, Andrew Webster wrote: > >> I'm looking for an ISDN dual channel type modem that would either have > >> - 2 Serial ports or 1 ethernet jack > >> - Receive V.34 / V.90 or ISDN calls on either one or both channels > >> > >> The USRobotics I-Modem only has 1 serial port, so it's kinda useless. > >> > >> I guess the nearest equivalent would be a 2 port Livingston PM-3. > > > >http://netgear.baynetworks.com/ > > > >Look for RT328 ISDN Router. Cost $269 at several places. Has U Interface, > >2 POTS, AUI and TP. > > Ulf, > > Read the question again. He's looking for a box that will physically > connect to an ISDN BRI line _and_ accept ISDN or analog calls (upto v.90) > as a host. As a "modem box" the nearest equiv. is the 3com/USR MP-8/i > box. Handles 4 BRIs, accepts ISDN or analog calls & presents them on > 8 async serial ports. The nearest "ethernet" box that I know of would > be the Ascend Max1800 with a digital modem card in it. The only snag with these products are the huge pricetags attached to them! Looking at the small number of chips involved in the Portmaster-3, it can't be all that expensive to make a 2 port version. This would fill an idea niche between dropping tonnes of cash on a PM-3 when you only need 2 or 3 of these boxes attached to BRIs. > > Does anybody have experience with using MVIP bus or similar > Computer-Telephony cards under FreeBSD? I've often thought that a nice > low-density RAS system could be built around FreeBSD and some of these > cards. It would require one or more cards to interface to BRI or PRI > circuits, a pot of DSP-based digital modems, and some processing power > to switch incoming call to either the modems (analog calls) or ISDN > calls to another sub-system (Ascend calls them HDLC processors). > > John > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > John T. Farmer Proprietor, GoldSword Systems > jfarmer@goldsword.com Public Internet Access in East Tennessee > Office: (423)691-6498 for info, e-mail to info@goldsword.com > Network Design, Internet Services & Servers, Consulting > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > Andrew Webster andrew@pubnix.net Key fingerprint = CF E8 16 B8 A6 DB E3 C9 83 E7 96 24 25 58 15 6E PubNIX Montreal Connected to the world Branche au monde P.O. Box 147 Cote Saint Luc, Quebec H4V 2Y3 tel 514.990.5911 http://www.pubnix.net fax 514.990.9443 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Oct 3 20:54:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA29005 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 20:54:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ccsales.com (ccsales.com [216.0.22.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA28904 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 20:53:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntrkcasa (b241.ecom.net [207.13.225.241]) by ccsales.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA01550; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 20:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981003204621.04321a00@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 20:46:21 -0700 To: Graphic Rezidew , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: t-1 from whom? In-Reply-To: <199810021449.JAA06468@kemicol.rezidew.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I know I'm coming in a bit late here but I had a T-1 with at-work. The connection speed is good most of the time. The daytime service is ok. The nightime service is non-existent but what do you expect from the price (review 1st tier providers price for a T-1)? They do not tolerate SPAM at all so if you are adding new customers who have to be dealt with make sure you have an administrative staff that can do it in a timely manner because they will do things like: 1. Put a filter on you without warning and wait for you to call the next day. They like to put the filter on on Saturday night...that can really kill a business. 2. Tell you you have to cancel xyz client now and not forward you the "proof" even when asked to. Of course this will not be a problem for you as long as you are not growing too quickly... Take care, Randy Katz At 09:49 AM 10/2/98 -0500, Graphic Rezidew wrote: >Hi, I run a network over my dual channel ISDN connection to do some shell, >mail, and web-serving. As one would imagine, I am saturating my bandwidth. >I have decided to get a T-1 and am considering service from AT-WORK (a >company affiliated with AT-HOME, the cable modem people). The price is >quite fair $1000/mo for a line that is basicly only restricting me from >providing dial-up, based on the terms of usage doc. > The Thing that concerns me is that their network is so NEW...I am >wondering if they have clean through put to the rest of the internet. > >If anyone uses them Please let me know what your experience has been. > >NOTE: I am not interested in hearing about how swell your cable modem is. > I am not signing up for cable modem service. This will be a real > T-1 on a network seperate from AT-HOME. > >Thanks in advance > >--Graphic Rezidew > Graphic@rezidew.net > http://graphic.rezidew.net > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message