From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 25 11:13:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA06024 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 11:13:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix (phoenix.aye.net [206.185.8.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA06019 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 11:13:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ratbert@phoenix.aye.net) Received: (qmail 7925 invoked by uid 2800); 25 Oct 1998 19:11:30 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Oct 1998 19:11:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 14:11:30 -0500 (EST) From: To: Leif Neland cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: route changes erratically (routed) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We've had some similar problems with our portmasters, OSPF and rip2 both seemed to be broken on them. We assigned an x.x.x.x/28 for the dialup lines and the portmasters ended up broadcasting themselves as a route to a x.x.x.x/28 and /29s, /30s, /31s and /32s within the /28. Pretty much turned the routing tables of everything on our network to complete garbage. What we did to solve it was add a static route on our servers and other routers with the portmaster as a gateway to the dialup subnet assigned to it. Have the static dialup ip addresses be on the same network with the portmasters and servers and let the portmasters proxyarp for those ip addresses. On Fri, 23 Oct 1998, Leif Neland wrote: > We have 2 portmasters (PM2), several servers, a cisco to the world, and a > firewall to the internal network. > > The cisco is default gateway > > The servers and portmasters are on one class C, the dialins are on another > class C. > > Because some users have fixed ip, but can dial in on either of the > portmasters, I run routed on all servers, and the portmasters seem to > announce on which portmaster the customer is, so the route gets changed to > the right portmaster. > > The traceroute should then go from server to pm1 or pm2 to customer. > > However, often the route changes so it goes > server->cisco->pm->client or > server->firewall->pm->client or even > server->cisco->(router at our uplink)->cisco->(router at our uplink) etc. > > If I constantly pings the client, I gets pauses where the pings are lost. > > What do I do wrong? Shouldn't I use routed on the servers, but only route > default gateway to the cisco, and let it handle the pm1/pm2 route changes? > Or should I have one server running routed? or gated? or what? > > Help!!! > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 25 12:19:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA14029 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 12:19:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gras-varg.worldgate.com (gras-varg.worldgate.com [198.161.84.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA14015 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 12:19:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skafte@gras-varg.worldgate.com) Received: (from skafte@localhost) by gras-varg.worldgate.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id NAA20063; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 13:17:25 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <19981025131724.A19988@worldgate.com> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 13:17:24 -0700 From: Greg Skafte To: ratbert@phoenix.aye.net, Leif Neland Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: route changes erratically (routed) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from ratbert@phoenix.aye.net on Sun, Oct 25, 1998 at 02:11:30PM -0500 Organization: WorldGate Inc. X-PGP-Fingerprint: 42 9C 2C A8 4D 2B C9 C4 7D B6 00 B0 50 47 20 97 X-URL: http://gras-varg.worldgate.com/~skafte Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org except that the portmaster is supposed to advertise /29 /30 ... etc. if that is the valid subnet of a current session. If you don't want to see routes other than the /28 you need to have the portmaster agregate the routes to the desired netmask .... this is the nature of vlsm routing ... you can have routes for most of any cidr block and still redirect smaller pieces to other places. Quoting ratbert@phoenix.aye.net (ratbert@phoenix.aye.net) On Subject: Re: route changes erratically (routed) Date: Sun, Oct 25, 1998 at 02:11:30PM -0500 > > We've had some similar problems with our portmasters, OSPF and rip2 both > seemed to be broken on them. We assigned an x.x.x.x/28 for the dialup > lines and the portmasters ended up broadcasting themselves as a route > to a x.x.x.x/28 and /29s, /30s, /31s and /32s within the /28. > Pretty much turned the routing tables of everything on our network to > complete garbage. > > What we did to solve it was add a static route on our servers and other > routers with the portmaster as a gateway to the dialup subnet assigned > to it. Have the static dialup ip addresses be on the same network with > the portmasters and servers and let the portmasters proxyarp for those > ip addresses. > > On Fri, 23 Oct 1998, Leif Neland wrote: > > > We have 2 portmasters (PM2), several servers, a cisco to the world, and a > > firewall to the internal network. > > > > The cisco is default gateway > > > > The servers and portmasters are on one class C, the dialins are on another > > class C. > > > > Because some users have fixed ip, but can dial in on either of the > > portmasters, I run routed on all servers, and the portmasters seem to > > announce on which portmaster the customer is, so the route gets changed to > > the right portmaster. > > > > The traceroute should then go from server to pm1 or pm2 to customer. > > > > However, often the route changes so it goes > > server->cisco->pm->client or > > server->firewall->pm->client or even > > server->cisco->(router at our uplink)->cisco->(router at our uplink) etc. > > > > If I constantly pings the client, I gets pauses where the pings are lost. > > > > What do I do wrong? Shouldn't I use routed on the servers, but only route > > default gateway to the cisco, and let it handle the pm1/pm2 route changes? > > Or should I have one server running routed? or gated? or what? > > > > Help!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Email: skafte@worldgate.com Voice: +403 413 1910 Fax: +403 421 4929 #575 Sun Life Place * 10123 99 Street * Edmonton, AB * Canada * T5J 3H1 -- -- When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a whole lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the simplest thing in the world; it's preventing one that's complex. (Janet Morris) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 25 14:47:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24690 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 14:47:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24685 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 14:47:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA11488; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 16:46:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from aridius-51.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.66.178) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma011483; Sun Oct 25 16:45:43 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981025164612.00ff9974@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 16:46:12 -0600 To: , Leif Neland From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: route changes erratically (routed) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:11 PM 10/25/98 -0500, ratbert@phoenix.aye.net wrote: > >We've had some similar problems with our portmasters, OSPF and rip2 both >seemed to be broken on them. We assigned an x.x.x.x/28 for the dialup >lines and the portmasters ended up broadcasting themselves as a route >to a x.x.x.x/28 and /29s, /30s, /31s and /32s within the /28. >Pretty much turned the routing tables of everything on our network to >complete garbage. RIPv2 does not exist and most likely never will in the COM/OS and OSPF is definately not broken. As for garbage, it could be cleaned up with better planning and OSPF beats the hell out of plugging static routes. >What we did to solve it was add a static route on our servers and other >routers with the portmaster as a gateway to the dialup subnet assigned >to it. Have the static dialup ip addresses be on the same network with >the portmasters and servers and let the portmasters proxyarp for those >ip addresses. Proxyarp advocate eh? Unless a server is a gateway there is no reason to run a routing daemon, unless you don't want the router to be a hop, but if the addresses are not in the same /24 they will be. YMMV, but for simplicity and pertinence to the original post. For PM2's it works best if you start with the 2nd /27, use OSPF, and set the pool size to 32. Bam, one route! Should you have a slew of these you start the first on .2 (not .1) and use pool-size=30 (it can only have 30, but still) and you get: .2 /31 .4 /30 .8 /29 .16 /28 If you use .1 you get: .1 /32 .2 /31 .4 /30 .8 /29 .16 /29 .24 /30 .28 /31 .30 /32 Fairly visual example of why one *should* use even boundaries. Tends to add a bit of clutter, as you know. ;) Expand this to a fully populated /24 with 8 PM2's: .2 /31 - pm1 (pool size=30) .4 /30 .8 /29 .16 /28 .32 /27 - pm2 (pool size=32 ditto for pm3-7) .64 /27 - pm3 .96 /27 - pm4 .128 /27 - pm5 .160 /27 - pm6 .192 /27 - pm7 .224 /28 - pm8 (pool size=32) .240 /29 .248 /30 .252 /31 Gosh, only 14 routes and some few lines in the Cisco or did you really want 64 routes? Didn't think so. ;) >On Fri, 23 Oct 1998, Leif Neland wrote: > >> We have 2 portmasters (PM2), several servers, a cisco to the world, and a >> firewall to the internal network. >> >> The cisco is default gateway >> >> The servers and portmasters are on one class C, the dialins are on another >> class C. >> >> Because some users have fixed ip, but can dial in on either of the >> portmasters, I run routed on all servers, and the portmasters seem to >> announce on which portmaster the customer is, so the route gets changed to >> the right portmaster. Don't use routed, ever. You *could* use gated and OSPF for this but there is no reason with the Cisco being the default gateway and for the size of your setup. No issue with the servers and PM IPs on one /24 and the dial-in IPs on another. >> The traceroute should then go from server to pm1 or pm2 to customer. Only if you really want it that way. You either live with one more hop and a slight increase to the latency or a more complex setup for a small gain. With OSPF you could inject RIP, but again for a small gain. I didn't bother since *most* traffic from dial-up will go out the router anyways. >> However, often the route changes so it goes >> server->cisco->pm->client or >> server->firewall->pm->client or even >> server->cisco->(router at our uplink)->cisco->(router at our uplink) etc. The first 2 are ok, but the 3rd? What version of COMOS on the PM2's? >> If I constantly pings the client, I gets pauses where the pings are lost. How are your network collisions? Sounds like it may be bad cabling since at least some packets are making it. >> What do I do wrong? Shouldn't I use routed on the servers, but only route >> default gateway to the cisco, and let it handle the pm1/pm2 route changes? >> Or should I have one server running routed? or gated? or what? Use OSPF between the PM's and the Cisco, verify propagation, lose the static routes, turn off routed on the servers, and all is well. I've got templates for the PMs so it would be a matter of changing a few things and pasting it in a terminal window. Takes less than 10 minutes to convert. One hitch is I don't have access to a Cisco at the moment so would need either access to one (for just one IP - access control is good :) or some pointers for Cisco OSPF, since I'm a bit rusty. Not something I do often, after all once you set it... cheers! Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 25 15:16:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27011 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:16:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from liquid.tpb.net (drum-n-bass.party-animals.com [194.134.94.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27002 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 15:16:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from niels@bakker.net) Received: from localhost (niels@localhost) by liquid.tpb.net (8.9.1a/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id AAA13531 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 00:15:38 +0100 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 00:15:38 +0100 (CET) From: N To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: route changes erratically (routed) In-Reply-To: <19981025131724.A19988@worldgate.com> Message-ID: <981026001156.13499A-100000@liquid.tpb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoth Greg Skafte: > except that the portmaster is supposed to advertise /29 /30 ... etc. > if that is the valid subnet of a current session. If you don't want to > see routes other than the /28 you need to have the portmaster agregate > the routes to the desired netmask .... Livingston^WLucent PortMasters can't do that. There are two ways to avoid polluting your IGP (be it RIPv2 or OSPF based): either set the pool size to 32 or 64 (depending on the amount of E1/T1's into your PM3) and start the assigned pool at the same boundary, or filter IGP announcements later on, possibly utilising route summaries. > this is the nature of vlsm routing ... you can have routes for most > of any cidr block and still redirect smaller pieces to other places. PM's suck in this regard, they can generate a handful of routes for a block even if they only miss one IP address in it to make it to the next ^2 natural boundary, and there's no way to tell them to aggregrate it anyway. -- Niels. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 25 16:29:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA03361 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 16:29:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from velvet.sensation.net.au (serial0-velvet.Brunswick.sensation.net.au [203.20.114.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03348 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 16:28:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) Received: from localhost (rowan@localhost) by velvet.sensation.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA13540 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:23:44 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) X-Authentication-Warning: velvet.sensation.net.au: rowan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:23:42 +1100 (EST) From: Rowan Crowe To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: freebsd <-> linux: multilink or some cruder form of packet balancing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, Me again. It seems my downlink running Linux can't get the multilink ppp hack kernel to compile. I'm sure it's quite possible but perhaps he has some weird combination of kernels and other circumstances. For the moment, is there any other way of load balancing? Even something crude like a one way balance, with my end distributing packets evenly over a couple of ppp or tun interfaces without the other end needing to do more than connect twice. (Can FreeBSD do *source* based routing yet? That may be one way to do a crude balance) Getting a little desperate due to the long lead time so far to find a solution for this. Thanks for any help... Cheers. -- Rowan Crowe Sensation Internet Services, Melbourne Aust fidonet: 3:635/728 +61-3-9388-9260 http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/ http://www.sensation.net.au/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 25 19:45:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA20017 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:45:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au [202.14.186.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA20012 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 19:45:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Stanley.Hopcroft@ipaustralia.gov.au) From: Stanley.Hopcroft@ipaustralia.gov.au Received: (from smap@localhost) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA26072 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:45:16 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from Stanley.Hopcroft@ipaustralia.gov.au) X-Authentication-Warning: pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au: smap set sender to using -f Received: from noteshub01.aipo.gov.au(10.0.100.21) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au via smap (V2.0) id xma026070; Mon, 26 Oct 98 14:45:13 +1100 Received: by noteshub01.aipo.gov.au(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.2 (693.3 8-11-1998)) id 4A2566A9.001A1B89 ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:45:09 +1000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IP_AUSTRALIA To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <4A2566A9.001A19A2.00@noteshub01.aipo.gov.au> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:44:58 +1000 Subject: Using IPFW and DIVERT/TEE sockest to capture data (for intensive firewall logging) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, I am writing to ask your help use 2.2.7-RELEASE ipfw with tee/divert sockets to provide intensive logging (ie capturing the packet or the packets data) in a firewall conetxt. My kernel is built with options FIREWALL and options DIVERT; my ipfw rules appear to load correctly eg ipfw add tee 1000 from any 1-23- to ipfw add tee 1000 from server_port> to any 1023- There is a small perl UDP or TCP server listening on port 1000 (visible with netstat -a) that copies the packet to stdout. Unfortunately, whether or not the server listening on port 1000 (having bound the socket to localhost port 1000), when the ipfw rule with tee is active, the rule seeminlgy doesnt' . log data (via the server) . allow packets through to the normal destination (address port ) A client trying to connect to the subject of the rule returns - connection refused - permission denied. Thanks for any comments you may have. Yours sincerely. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 25 20:30:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA24799 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:30:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA24787 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:30:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkb@shell6.ba.best.com) Received: (from jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) id UAA17853; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:29:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19981025202914.D14664@best.com> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:29:14 -0800 From: "Jan B. Koum " To: Stanley.Hopcroft@ipaustralia.gov.au, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Using IPFW and DIVERT/TEE sockest to capture data (for intensive firewall logging) References: <4A2566A9.001A19A2.00@noteshub01.aipo.gov.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <4A2566A9.001A19A2.00@noteshub01.aipo.gov.au>; from Stanley.Hopcroft@ipaustralia.gov.au on Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 02:44:58PM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 02:44:58PM +1000, Stanley.Hopcroft@ipaustralia.gov.au wrote: > > Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, > > I am writing to ask your help use 2.2.7-RELEASE ipfw with tee/divert > sockets to provide intensive logging (ie capturing the packet or the > packets data) in a firewall conetxt. > > My kernel is built with options FIREWALL and options DIVERT; my ipfw rules > appear to load correctly eg > > ipfw add tee 1000 from any 1-23- to > ipfw add tee 1000 from server_port> to any 1023- > > There is a small perl UDP or TCP server listening on port 1000 (visible > with netstat -a) that copies the packet to stdout. > > Unfortunately, whether or not the server listening on port 1000 (having > bound the socket to localhost port 1000), when the ipfw rule with tee is > active, the rule seeminlgy doesnt' > > . log data (via the server) > . allow packets through to the normal destination (address port > ) > > A client trying to connect to the subject of the rule returns > > - connection refused > - permission denied. > > Thanks for any comments you may have. > > Yours sincerely. > [ You might try questions@freebsd.org since this is ISP relates list.] To answer your question: I don't think tee is actually implemented right now. I remember Archie Cobbs and Luigi Rizzo talking about it back a month or two ago on one of the lists.. If you want to log your traffic, consider using tcpdump, or you might want to also check out NFR: www.nfr.net -- Yan I don't have the password .... + Jan Koum But the path is chainlinked .. | Spelled Jan, pronounced Yan. There. So if you've got the time .... | Web: http://www.best.com/~jkb Set the tone to sync ......... + OS: http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 25 22:16:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05710 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 22:16:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA05705 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 22:16:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA12637; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 00:16:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from aridius-122.isdn.mke.execpc.com(169.207.66.249) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma012635; Mon Oct 26 00:15:48 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981026001609.007161e8@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 00:16:09 -0600 To: N , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: route changes erratically (routed) In-Reply-To: <981026001156.13499A-100000@liquid.tpb.net> References: <19981025131724.A19988@worldgate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:15 AM 10/26/98 +0100, N wrote: >Quoth Greg Skafte: > >> except that the portmaster is supposed to advertise /29 /30 ... etc. >> if that is the valid subnet of a current session. If you don't want to >> see routes other than the /28 you need to have the portmaster agregate >> the routes to the desired netmask .... > >Livingston^WLucent PortMasters can't do that. There are two ways to avoid >polluting your IGP (be it RIPv2 or OSPF based): either set the pool size >to 32 or 64 (depending on the amount of E1/T1's into your PM3) and start >the assigned pool at the same boundary, or filter IGP announcements later >on, possibly utilising route summaries. > >> this is the nature of vlsm routing ... you can have routes for most >> of any cidr block and still redirect smaller pieces to other places. > >PM's suck in this regard, they can generate a handful of routes for a >block even if they only miss one IP address in it to make it to the next >^2 natural boundary, and there's no way to tell them to aggregrate it >anyway. Care to explain a bit more. No offense, but I think your off you rocker. :/ Nn excellent feature of the OSPF with a PM2 would be the ability to set pool-size=32 and use x.y.z.0/27 and x.y.z.224/27, but both x.y.z.0 and x.y.z.255 would NEVER be assigned. Instead of 14 routes for 8 PM2's you have just 8 and life is good. Plus this scales better than using RIP and/or static routes and most importantly it would work excellent for those with E1's on a PM3, unless you don't care to lose 24 IPs for nothing more than having only one route per unit. The PM's DO aggregate routes with OSPF just fine, with a little planning you can really reduce the routes. Your idea of using using 64 IPs when only 46/48 are needed for T1 implementations is just a plain waste of addresses. Consider that only 4 and not 5 PM3's can fit on a /24 and instead of having 14 IP addresses that could used for other purposes, they are wasted. This also forces you to use static routes, since with OSPF it would assign .0 and .255 giving some user a dead connection. A good example of poor network planning if I ever saw one. The most efficient way is to use OSPF and start the first PM3 on .8 and the whole /24 would be divided like so: .8 - .55 1st (4 routes) .56 - .103 2nd (3 routes) .104 - .151 3rd (4 routes) .152 - .199 4th (3 routes) .200 - .247 5th (4 routes) Only 18 routes total. Staring on .1 gives 33 routes. Starting with .2 will only reduce the total to 29 routes. And this is not "pollution" as you say, but proper behaviour. Plug static routes or let OSPF do it's job, but don't complain about having more than one route per unit. FWIW, you could gain another 5 or 10 more free IPs if you are using PRI's at the cost of more routes. Never bothered to figure out the best way for this, since using one D channel for more than one PRI isn't common (was unsupported at the time). Might be worth it for a PM4 or Assend, but then I don't think they have a "working" OSPF implemenation yet. Ditto for USR/3Com, AFAIK. No clue why you mention route summaries, when you need to summarize routes only before BGP insertion. It has zero relevance to this thread and has nothing to do with the behavior of OSPF with a PM. Even if it were, why bother? What point is there, oh yeah BGP. No point there either. You need to summarize *anyways* or else your provider is going to bitch. Nothing less than a /24 should be announced via BGP. If you have less than a /24 you shouldn not announce via BGP, only listen. regards Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking jeff@mountin.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 26 11:53:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14725 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:53:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from velvet.sensation.net.au (serial0-velvet.Brunswick.sensation.net.au [203.20.114.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14717 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:53:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) Received: from localhost (rowan@localhost) by velvet.sensation.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA15280 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:48:39 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) X-Authentication-Warning: velvet.sensation.net.au: rowan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:48:37 +1100 (EST) From: Rowan Crowe To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Load balancing over 2 separate client links Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, I just posted the message below to another generic ISP mailing list, but of course my solution will be FreeBSD based. :-) What sort of impact would switching a route fast (several times per second) have on FreeBSD, assuming it doesn't trigger any dynamic routing updates? Is this too crude? (see near the bottom of the forwarded msg, I've marked it with ***) (some sections that have no relevance to freebsd-isp deleted) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:40:42 +1100 (EST) From: Rowan Crowe To: aussie-isp@aussie.net Subject: Load balancing over 2 separate client links Hi all, I have a couple of perm clients who will soon have a direct connection *between* them. I will be implementing dynamic routing (probably via OSPF, as I control the 2 unix boxes on either site) for the odd occasion when either of their modems goes down for a couple of minutes, but I wonder if it's possible to do something more sophisticated also... One client often has their modem maxed out at certain times. (incidentally, this client will be moving to dual modems next year.) The other client's usage typically is a lot lower, although they too have their periods of occasional saturation. What I'm wanting to do is allow one client to "dip" into the other clients bandwidth when it's underutilised. eg: when client #2's link is underutilised, send traffic for client #1 through it. As soon as client #2 starts using traffic through their link, client #1 can no longer borrow the b/w. Over a single link this is elementary stuff, but we're talking 2 links with a 3rd one interconnecting the 2 sites. It's probably possible to run something like multi-chassis multilink PPP. I think that's the correct buzzword? Multilink PPP done over 2 separate routers [of the same ISP] in separate locations with an IP tunnel between them, feeding to the same end point, to facilitate extra redundancy in the event of one of the customer telco links failing (too bad if the main router fails): ^ internet feed | IP TUNNEL | router 1 ============= router 2 (main) \ / \ / \ / \ / customer However, what I'm wanting to do is almost the exact opposite! ^ internet feed | router / \ / \ / \ / IP TUNNEL \ cust #1 ============= cust #2 There also exists an IP tunnel between router and cust #1 via cust #2, and an IP tunnel between router and cust #2 via cust #1. Do any of the multi-chassis solutions also implement dynamic bandwidth management in this way? This is just curiosity as I generally don't use proprietary router solutions [ :-) ] but I'm wondering if this has already been done. *** One could even do it more simply without needing tunnels: balance routes on a per packet basis. If client #2's link is underutilised, start routing some packets for client #1 down it. Client #2 knows that the direct link to client #1 is closer than bouncing it back to me so it delivers it that way. There are other issues here though, such as the ramifications of doing something like this if the direct link between the clients goes down. And, how do you detect when a tunnel is broken if it passes over several routers? Periodic pings? So ends my rant for this morning. Cheers. -- Rowan Crowe Sensation Internet Services, Melbourne Aust fidonet: 3:635/728 +61-3-9388-9260 http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/ http://www.sensation.net.au/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 26 12:36:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19877 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:36:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (deepwell.com [209.63.174.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA19872 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:36:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@deepwell.com) Received: (qmail 29845 invoked from network); 26 Oct 1998 21:01:26 -0000 Received: from terry.dcomm.net (HELO terry) (209.63.174.33) by deepwell.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 1998 21:01:26 -0000 Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981026123310.009505f0@mail1.dcomm.net> X-Sender: freebsd@mail.deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:35:29 -0700 To: Rowan Crowe , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Deepwell Internet Subject: Re: Load balancing over 2 separate client links In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You may look into Class based Queueing. It is a kernel modification for FreeBSD that allows you to place IP's into classes and then limit and prioritize the bandwidth. You can allow one class to borrow from another class. You can even place a class within a class. At 06:48 AM 10/27/98 +1100, you wrote: >Hello all, > >I just posted the message below to another generic ISP mailing list, but >of course my solution will be FreeBSD based. :-) > >What sort of impact would switching a route fast (several times per >second) have on FreeBSD, assuming it doesn't trigger any dynamic routing >updates? Is this too crude? (see near the bottom of the forwarded msg, >I've marked it with ***) > >(some sections that have no relevance to freebsd-isp deleted) > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:40:42 +1100 (EST) >From: Rowan Crowe >To: aussie-isp@aussie.net >Subject: Load balancing over 2 separate client links > >Hi all, > >I have a couple of perm clients who will soon have a direct connection >*between* them. I will be implementing dynamic routing (probably via OSPF, >as I control the 2 unix boxes on either site) for the odd occasion when >either of their modems goes down for a couple of minutes, but I wonder if >it's possible to do something more sophisticated also... > >One client often has their modem maxed out at certain times. >(incidentally, this client will be moving to dual modems next year.) > >The other client's usage typically is a lot lower, although they too have >their periods of occasional saturation. > >What I'm wanting to do is allow one client to "dip" into the other clients >bandwidth when it's underutilised. eg: when client #2's link is >underutilised, send traffic for client #1 through it. As soon as client #2 >starts using traffic through their link, client #1 can no longer borrow >the b/w. > >Over a single link this is elementary stuff, but we're talking 2 links >with a 3rd one interconnecting the 2 sites. It's probably possible to run >something like multi-chassis multilink PPP. I think that's the correct >buzzword? Multilink PPP done over 2 separate routers [of the same ISP] in >separate locations with an IP tunnel between them, feeding to the same end >point, to facilitate extra redundancy in the event of one of the customer >telco links failing (too bad if the main router fails): > > ^ internet feed > | > IP TUNNEL | >router 1 ============= router 2 (main) > \ / > \ / > \ / > \ / > customer > > >However, what I'm wanting to do is almost the exact opposite! > > ^ internet feed > | > router > / \ > / \ > / \ > / IP TUNNEL \ >cust #1 ============= cust #2 > >There also exists an IP tunnel between router and cust #1 via cust #2, and >an IP tunnel between router and cust #2 via cust #1. > >Do any of the multi-chassis solutions also implement dynamic bandwidth >management in this way? This is just curiosity as I generally don't use >proprietary router solutions [ :-) ] but I'm wondering if this has already >been done. > >*** One could even do it more simply without needing tunnels: balance >routes on a per packet basis. If client #2's link is underutilised, start >routing some packets for client #1 down it. Client #2 knows that the >direct link to client #1 is closer than bouncing it back to me so it >delivers it that way. > >There are other issues here though, such as the ramifications of doing >something like this if the direct link between the clients goes down. > >And, how do you detect when a tunnel is broken if it passes over several >routers? Periodic pings? > >So ends my rant for this morning. > >Cheers. > > >-- >Rowan Crowe Sensation Internet Services, Melbourne Aust >fidonet: 3:635/728 +61-3-9388-9260 >http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/ http://www.sensation.net.au/ > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 26 12:45:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA20943 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:45:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from velvet.sensation.net.au (serial0-velvet.Brunswick.sensation.net.au [203.20.114.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20937 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:45:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) Received: from localhost (rowan@localhost) by velvet.sensation.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA15363 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:40:41 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) X-Authentication-Warning: velvet.sensation.net.au: rowan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:40:38 +1100 (EST) From: Rowan Crowe To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Load balancing over 2 separate client links In-Reply-To: <4.1.0.67.19981026123310.009505f0@mail1.dcomm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Deepwell Internet wrote: > You may look into Class based Queueing. It is a kernel modification for > FreeBSD that allows you to place IP's into classes and then limit and > prioritize the bandwidth. You can allow one class to borrow from another > class. You can even place a class within a class. I looked at that yesterday actually, although it wasn't related to this problem. As far as I can see CBQ works on a single link only (or rather treats them separately), which is useless for my application... I need both balancing and bandwidth managements over what could be considered 2 separate physical links combined to form another 2 virtual links. Admittedly I haven't looked too closely, I'd love to be proven wrong. ;-) Cheers. -- Rowan Crowe Sensation Internet Services, Melbourne Aust fidonet: 3:635/728 +61-3-9388-9260 http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/ http://www.sensation.net.au/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 26 13:15:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23328 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:15:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dns.webwizard.net.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23323 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:15:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Received: from webwizard.org.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by dns.webwizard.net.mx (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA08891; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:10:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Message-ID: <3634E52C.453FD409@webwizard.org.mx> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:10:04 -0600 From: Edwin Culp Reply-To: eculp@mexcom.net.mx X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rowan Crowe CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Load balancing over 2 separate client links References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rowan Crowe wrote: > On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Deepwell Internet wrote: > > > You may look into Class based Queueing. It is a kernel modification for > > FreeBSD that allows you to place IP's into classes and then limit and > > prioritize the bandwidth. You can allow one class to borrow from another > > class. You can even place a class within a class. > > I looked at that yesterday actually, although it wasn't related to this > problem. > > As far as I can see CBQ works on a single link only (or rather treats them > separately), which is useless for my application... I need both balancing > and bandwidth managements over what could be considered 2 separate > physical links combined to form another 2 virtual links. > > Admittedly I haven't looked too closely, I'd love to be proven wrong. ;-) > > Cheers. > I assume that you've looked at mpath and dummynet. ed To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 26 15:57:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10405 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:57:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10400 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:57:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA06994 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:56:20 GMT Message-Id: <199810261956.TAA06994@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:09:41 -0500 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Dennis Subject: Re: Load balancing over 2 separate client links In-Reply-To: <4.1.0.67.19981026123310.009505f0@mail1.dcomm.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:35 PM 10/26/98 -0700, you wrote: >You may look into Class based Queueing. It is a kernel modification for >FreeBSD that allows you to place IP's into classes and then limit and >prioritize the bandwidth. You can allow one class to borrow from another >class. You can even place a class within a class. Our T1 card drivers have had load balancing capabilty for several years..we have recently added the capability to factor balance so that you can balance 2 mediums with differing available bandwidths. The next version of our Bandwidth manager will support factored load balancing over any 2 mediums, specifically Ethernets or serial lines. The code is in there, but it doesnt quite work yet :-) Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 26 16:54:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16461 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:54:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from techbsd.csw.net (techbsd.csw.net [209.136.194.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16455 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:54:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lambert@techbsd.csw.net) Received: (from lambert@localhost) by techbsd.csw.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA00399 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:52:29 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from lambert) Message-ID: <19981026185229.A386@csw.net> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:52:29 -0600 From: Scott Lambert To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Expiring old mail? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I recently ran into a problem with my mail server. The /var/mail disk filled up. (not good) Anyway after several hours of "mail -f username" and deleting 7 month-old un- read messages and > 1 month-old read messages, I freed up approximately 700MB of disk. (Why do people subscribe to every mailing list on the planet and not read their mail?) We have approximately 9,000 e-mail accounts on our mail server. Is there an "expire" like tool for the mail spool files? I would like to be able to setup rules such as "any un-read mail more than 2 months old gets deleted" and "any read mail more than 1 month old gets deleted." That should give our users enough time to get their mail onto all the machines they may want. It will also allow someone to be out of town for up to 7 weeks without losing any e-mail. Perhaps unread of 3.5 months would be better to allow for summer vacation. Thanks for any suggestions, Scott Lambert Mail, News, and Shell Administrator To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 26 17:16:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18302 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:16:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jupiter.connecticom.com (jupiter.connecticom.com [209.3.110.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18295 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:16:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kitt@connecticom.com) Received: from [209.3.110.25] (orion.connecticom.com [209.3.110.25]) by jupiter.connecticom.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA16756; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:15:05 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: sysadmin@mail.connecticom.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19981026185229.A386@csw.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 20:15:11 -0500 To: Scott Lambert , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Kitt Diebold Subject: Re: Expiring old mail? Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just installed cucipop as my POP3 server. It has two BIG advantages to me: 1. Doesn't make a copy of the users mail file, so I can use quotas without a problem 2. Allows you to set an expire on the mail. I have it set up to annoy customers by forcing them to download undeleted mail on the server that is over 4 weeks old. That was they can get it and delete it themselves (and figure out that they shouldn't check that damn button in Netscape....). Take a look at the man pages. You can also set it up to autodelete the mail. YMMV -Kitt >Hi, > >I recently ran into a problem with my mail server. The /var/mail disk filled >up. (not good) > >Anyway after several hours of "mail -f username" and deleting 7 month-old un- >read messages and > 1 month-old read messages, I freed up approximately 700MB >of disk. (Why do people subscribe to every mailing list on the planet and >not read their mail?) > >We have approximately 9,000 e-mail accounts on our mail server. Is there an >"expire" like tool for the mail spool files? I would like to be able to >setup rules such as "any un-read mail more than 2 months old gets deleted" >and "any read mail more than 1 month old gets deleted." That should give our >users enough time to get their mail onto all the machines they may want. It >will also allow someone to be out of town for up to 7 weeks without losing >any e-mail. Perhaps unread of 3.5 months would be better to allow for summer >vacation. > >Thanks for any suggestions, > >Scott Lambert >Mail, News, and Shell Administrator Connecticom, Inc. (716) 546-3510 http://www.connecticom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 26 21:28:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA11227 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:28:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from velvet.sensation.net.au (serial0-velvet.Brunswick.sensation.net.au [203.20.114.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA11222 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:28:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) Received: from localhost (rowan@localhost) by velvet.sensation.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA16077 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:22:49 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) X-Authentication-Warning: velvet.sensation.net.au: rowan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:22:48 +1100 (EST) From: Rowan Crowe To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Expiring old mail? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Kitt Diebold wrote: > I just installed cucipop as my POP3 server. It has two BIG advantages to me: > > 1. Doesn't make a copy of the users mail file, so I can use quotas without > a problem > > 2. Allows you to set an expire on the mail. I have it set up to annoy > customers by forcing them to download undeleted mail on the server that is > over 4 weeks old. That was they can get it and delete it themselves (and > figure out that they shouldn't check that damn button in Netscape....). > Take a look at the man pages. You can also set it up to autodelete the mail. I also recently changed to cucipop, there's a BIG difference in performance between that and what I was running previously (the POP3 server that is bundled with the University of Washington IMAP server). The uw-pop3 server severely loads the machine when someone has a large spool file. Two very undesirable things happen: a) Swap used goes up by as much as 100Mb per 20-30Mb of spool indexed - occasionally it runs out totally and the pop3 process (and sometimes others) are killed off. To be repeated again in 30 sec when the user tries again...and again...and again... b) The machine almost totally 'freezes' for the duration of the initial index after USER/PASS. This can be a couple of minutes at a time. Packets are passed (presumably they're done in real time as an interrupt), but everything else slows to a tenth of a snail's pace. Lines ring out, a few keypresses of an established inbound telnet may take 20-30 seconds to show, inbound TCP connections take half a minute to happen, etc. I have *never* seen any other application impose such a resource load on my servers. (main mail server is a little underpowered, P90 w/ 24Mb RAM, but it's still not exactly a weak machine) After changing to cucipop I am wondering why I didn't do it a lot sooner. :) As a test I emailed myself a couple of 5Mb attaches and the memory usage reported by 'top' didn't even rise past 1Mb. From memory it sat rock solid on something like 480k, only the usage of that process rose. I'm running it in daemon mode, rather than through identd as uw-pop3 was (another advantage). The only thing I've found wrong with cucipop so far is that it doesn't support the LAST command, which appears to be actually part of the POP3 spec. This is a bit of a surprise, since the rest of the man page mentions that certain commands will "break the spec" and tends to sound very careful about that kind of thing. Anyone know why LAST isn't implemented? Other than that, cucipop comes highly recommended. Cheers. -- Rowan Crowe Sensation Internet Services, Melbourne Aust fidonet: 3:635/728 +61-3-9388-9260 http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/ http://www.sensation.net.au/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 26 22:26:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA16071 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:26:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA16044 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:25:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA03731; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 01:24:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Rowan Crowe cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Expiring old mail? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:22:48 +1100." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 01:24:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3727.909469498@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rowan Crowe wrote in message ID : > The only thing I've found wrong with cucipop so far is that it doesn't > support the LAST command, which appears to be actually part of the POP3 > spec. This is a bit of a surprise, since the rest of the man page mentions > that certain commands will "break the spec" and tends to sound very > careful about that kind of thing. Anyone know why LAST isn't implemented? RFC1939 (the ``standard'' for POP3) doesn't mention the LAST command, which makes me wonder what clients use it and how badly things break. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 26 22:46:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA17715 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:46:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from velvet.sensation.net.au (serial0-velvet.Brunswick.sensation.net.au [203.20.114.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA17696 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:46:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) Received: from localhost (rowan@localhost) by velvet.sensation.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA16214 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:41:08 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) X-Authentication-Warning: velvet.sensation.net.au: rowan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:41:05 +1100 (EST) From: Rowan Crowe To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Expiring old mail? In-Reply-To: <3727.909469498@gjp.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, Gary Palmer wrote: > Rowan Crowe wrote in message ID > : > > The only thing I've found wrong with cucipop so far is that it doesn't > > support the LAST command, which appears to be actually part of the POP3 > > spec. This is a bit of a surprise, since the rest of the man page mentions > > that certain commands will "break the spec" and tends to sound very > > careful about that kind of thing. Anyone know why LAST isn't implemented? > > RFC1939 (the ``standard'' for POP3) doesn't mention the LAST command, which > makes me wonder what clients use it and how badly things break. Very odd. I obviously don't have the latest RFC, however, RFC 1460 (June 1993) clearly lists LAST as part of the specification. LAST Arguments: none Restrictions: may only be issued in the TRANSACTION state. Discussion: The POP3 server issues a positive response with a line containing the highest message number which accessed. Zero is returned in case no message in the maildrop has been accessed during previous transactions. A client may thereafter infer that messages, if any, numbered greater than the response to the LAST command are messages not yet accessed by the client. Possible Response: +OK nn I guess it's for mail clients that are too lazy to keep lastread pointers. :) (I had a report from 2 users when I switched POP3 servers - one of them was running Eudora and it was easily fixed with a minor configuration change at their end). Cheers. -- Rowan Crowe Sensation Internet Services, Melbourne Aust fidonet: 3:635/728 +61-3-9388-9260 http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/ http://www.sensation.net.au/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 27 01:01:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA28381 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 01:01:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from carmel.diva.nl (carmel.diva.nl [195.86.39.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA28375 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 01:01:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michiel@carmel.diva.nl) Received: from localhost (michiel@localhost) by carmel.diva.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23599; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:59:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from michiel@carmel.diva.nl) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:59:29 +0100 (CET) From: Michiel Boland To: Rowan Crowe cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Expiring old mail? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Very odd. I obviously don't have the latest RFC, however, RFC 1460 (June > 1993) clearly lists LAST as part of the specification. RFC1460 is obsolete, and there is no mention of the word 'LAST' in 1939. Cheers Michiel -- Michiel Boland Digital Valley Internet Professionals Duivendaal 4, Wageningen, The Netherlands Phone: +31 317 465555, Fax: +31 317 460276 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 27 05:50:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA19185 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 05:50:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA19179 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 05:50:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from graeme@echidna.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA20178; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:49:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from prn-nj2-15.ix.netcom.com(199.183.207.79) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma020143; Tue Oct 27 07:49:36 1998 Message-ID: <3635F8E4.2FF8@echidna.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:46:28 -0800 From: Graeme Tait Organization: Echidna X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG CC: info@boatbooks.com Subject: Directory arrangement (etc.) for multi-user web server Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm setting up a FreeBSD/Apache (or Stronghold-Apache for SSL) system to be a web/ftp/mail server. The system will eventually support a fair number of domains, some with their own IP addresses, some hosted under a single IP. As this is my first time at this, I'm wondering if there are any conventional ways of organizing things, for convenience, security (esp. with use of SSL), ease of backup, and so on. As far as WWW access is concerned, Apache itself seems quite flexible in this regard. For example, one host I use running FreeBSD has a symlink under each user account, like usr/home/user1/public_html --> usr/www/users/user1 usr/home/user2/public_html --> usr/www/users/user2 etc. and all the www accessible information is thus stored under usr/www . Daily gzipped user clog files are placed in a directory under usr/home/userx (presumably by a cron job). I have lots of other questions (e.g, regarding logs, user cgi access, ftp, email forwarding and POP), but perhaps there is some place this sort of thing is addressed without my having to reinvent the wheel? -- Graeme Tait - Echidna To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 27 08:21:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA01033 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:21:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from prometheus.smlt.com (prometheus.smlt.com [195.172.80.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01027 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:21:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from quintin@smlt.com) Received: from orion.smlt.com (orion.smlt.com [195.172.80.149]) by prometheus.smlt.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA07070 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:21:15 GMT Received: from localhost (quintin@localhost) by orion.smlt.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA29552 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:49:44 GMT Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:49:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Quintin Oliver To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Setup of FreeBSD PPP Server :) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I've setup a FreeBSD ppp server using Mgetty and UserPPP, I'm trying to dialin from Linux to FreeBSD, on the FreeBSD ppp side I get: ppp[8888]: Phase: Pap Output: SUCCESS ppp[8888]: Phase: Deflink: lcp -> open ppp[8888]: Phase: bundle: Network When I get the third line, nothing happens, both modems keep sending data (problady ppp packets) to each other. Pap-secrets on Linux has been configured, and ppp.secret on FreeBSD has been configured like so: ppp.conf: ========= ppp: enable pap set ifaddr 192.168.5.1 192.168.5.2 enable proxy accept dns set dns 195.172.80.146 195.172.80.147 ppp.secret: =========== username password user2 user2password etc... Has anyone got any ideas? I know the problem here isn't Linux, as I've setup another machine with Linux and the client ppp machine can connect fine to it. Many Thanks, Quintin. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 27 15:53:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA15007 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:53:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA15000 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:53:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id PAA29474; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:52:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma029470; Tue Oct 27 15:52:05 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id PAA14063; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:52:04 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199810272352.PAA14063@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: Using IPFW and DIVERT/TEE sockest to capture data (for intensive firewall logging) In-Reply-To: <19981025202914.D14664@best.com> from "Jan B. Koum" at "Oct 25, 98 08:29:14 pm" To: jkb@best.com (Jan B. Koum) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:52:04 -0800 (PST) Cc: Stanley.Hopcroft@ipaustralia.gov.au, isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan B. Koum writes: > To answer your question: I don't think tee is actually implemented > right now. I remember Archie Cobbs and Luigi Rizzo talking about it > back a month or two ago on one of the lists.. True, ipfw tee is NOT currently implemented. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 27 16:27:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20293 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:27:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (deepwell.com [209.63.174.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA20288 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:27:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@deepwell.com) Received: (qmail 8735 invoked from network); 28 Oct 1998 00:52:30 -0000 Received: from terry.dcomm.net (HELO terry) (209.63.174.33) by deepwell.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 1998 00:52:30 -0000 Message-Id: <4.1.0.67.19981027162336.0097e100@mail1.dcomm.net> X-Sender: freebsd@mail.deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.67 (Beta) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:25:43 -0700 To: Archie Cobbs , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Deepwell Internet Subject: Re: Using IPFW and DIVERT/TEE sockest to capture data (for intensive firewall logging) In-Reply-To: <199810272352.PAA14063@bubba.whistle.com> References: <19981025202914.D14664@best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Are there plans to enhance IPFW to do this in the near future? At 03:52 PM 10/27/98 -0800, you wrote: >Jan B. Koum writes: >> To answer your question: I don't think tee is actually implemented >> right now. I remember Archie Cobbs and Luigi Rizzo talking about it >> back a month or two ago on one of the lists.. > >True, ipfw tee is NOT currently implemented. > >-Archie > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 27 16:31:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20936 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:31:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20924 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:31:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id QAA00174; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:30:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma000149; Tue Oct 27 16:30:00 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id QAA14669; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:30:00 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199810280030.QAA14669@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: Using IPFW and DIVERT/TEE sockest to capture data (for intensive firewall logging) In-Reply-To: <4.1.0.67.19981027162336.0097e100@mail1.dcomm.net> from Deepwell Internet at "Oct 27, 98 04:25:43 pm" To: freebsd@deepwell.com (Deepwell Internet) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:30:00 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Deepwell Internet writes: > >True, ipfw tee is NOT currently implemented. > Are there plans to enhance IPFW to do this in the near future? Not by me (too busy) .. but anyone's welcome. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 27 17:02:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25829 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:02:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix (phoenix.aye.net [206.185.8.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA25823 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:02:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ratbert@phoenix.aye.net) Received: (qmail 4309 invoked by uid 2800); 28 Oct 1998 01:00:11 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 Oct 1998 01:00:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:00:10 -0500 (EST) From: To: Scott Lambert cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Expiring old mail? In-Reply-To: <19981026185229.A386@csw.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Scott Lambert wrote: > Hi, > > I recently ran into a problem with my mail server. The /var/mail disk filled > up. (not good) > > Anyway after several hours of "mail -f username" and deleting 7 month-old un- > read messages and > 1 month-old read messages, I freed up approximately 700MB > of disk. (Why do people subscribe to every mailing list on the planet and > not read their mail?) > > We have approximately 9,000 e-mail accounts on our mail server. Is there an > "expire" like tool for the mail spool files? I would like to be able to > setup rules such as "any un-read mail more than 2 months old gets deleted" > and "any read mail more than 1 month old gets deleted." That should give our > users enough time to get their mail onto all the machines they may want. It > will also allow someone to be out of town for up to 7 weeks without losing > any e-mail. Perhaps unread of 3.5 months would be better to allow for summer > vacation. > > Thanks for any suggestions, > > Scott Lambert > Mail, News, and Shell Administrator > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > Qmail (http://www.qmail.org) using its Maildir format works for me. Uses a directory structure per mail user (don't have to be real users) like $HOME/Maildir/{new,cur,tmp}. Each message is in an individual file. New messages in Maildir/new, and if the pop client chooses to leave messages on the server they are migrated to Maildir/cur after they are read. Mbox format is also supported and allows you to use other pop servers. The Maildir format (to my knowledge) only works with the qmail popper. Sure took a load off our server with customers that never delete their mail and check for new mail every 60 seconds. If I want to delete read messages that are more than 90 days old, I just delete files that are 90+ days old in Maildir/cur. -- Barrett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 27 17:18:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27247 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:18:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix (phoenix.aye.net [206.185.8.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA27213 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:17:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ratbert@phoenix.aye.net) Received: (qmail 8388 invoked by uid 2800); 28 Oct 1998 01:16:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 Oct 1998 01:16:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:16:03 -0500 (EST) From: To: Greg Skafte cc: Leif Neland , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: route changes erratically (routed) In-Reply-To: <19981025131724.A19988@worldgate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The assigned pool is a /27. Why would the PM broadcast /29's, /30's, /31's and even /32's out the ethernet interface. Once you have broadcasted the /27 with your ethernet, the others are redundant and useless because the /27 contains them all. No routing device could make use of all those routes with the same gateway. If there were other subnets attached to the serial ports and routing info received via those serial ports It would make sense that the portmaster would aggregate those if possible and broadcast the aggregate ( *that* is the nature of vlsm routing). What is happening (possible via a conf error) is that the routes are actually be de-aggregated. - Barrett On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Greg Skafte wrote: > except that the portmaster is supposed to advertise /29 /30 ... etc. > if that is the valid subnet of a current session. If you don't want to > see routes other than the /28 you need to have the portmaster agregate > the routes to the desired netmask .... > > this is the nature of vlsm routing ... you can have routes for most > of any cidr block and still redirect smaller pieces to other places. > > > > Quoting ratbert@phoenix.aye.net (ratbert@phoenix.aye.net) > On Subject: Re: route changes erratically (routed) > Date: Sun, Oct 25, 1998 at 02:11:30PM -0500 > > > > > We've had some similar problems with our portmasters, OSPF and rip2 both > > seemed to be broken on them. We assigned an x.x.x.x/28 for the dialup > > lines and the portmasters ended up broadcasting themselves as a route > > to a x.x.x.x/28 and /29s, /30s, /31s and /32s within the /28. > > Pretty much turned the routing tables of everything on our network to > > complete garbage. > > > > What we did to solve it was add a static route on our servers and other > > routers with the portmaster as a gateway to the dialup subnet assigned > > to it. Have the static dialup ip addresses be on the same network with > > the portmasters and servers and let the portmasters proxyarp for those > > ip addresses. > > > > On Fri, 23 Oct 1998, Leif Neland wrote: > > > > > We have 2 portmasters (PM2), several servers, a cisco to the world, and a > > > firewall to the internal network. > > > > > > The cisco is default gateway > > > > > > The servers and portmasters are on one class C, the dialins are on another > > > class C. > > > > > > Because some users have fixed ip, but can dial in on either of the > > > portmasters, I run routed on all servers, and the portmasters seem to > > > announce on which portmaster the customer is, so the route gets changed to > > > the right portmaster. > > > > > > The traceroute should then go from server to pm1 or pm2 to customer. > > > > > > However, often the route changes so it goes > > > server->cisco->pm->client or > > > server->firewall->pm->client or even > > > server->cisco->(router at our uplink)->cisco->(router at our uplink) etc. > > > > > > If I constantly pings the client, I gets pauses where the pings are lost. > > > > > > What do I do wrong? Shouldn't I use routed on the servers, but only route > > > default gateway to the cisco, and let it handle the pm1/pm2 route changes? > > > Or should I have one server running routed? or gated? or what? > > > > > > Help!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > -- > Email: skafte@worldgate.com Voice: +403 413 1910 Fax: +403 421 4929 > #575 Sun Life Place * 10123 99 Street * Edmonton, AB * Canada * T5J 3H1 > -- -- > When things can't get any worse, they simplify themselves by getting a whole > lot worse then complicated. A complete and utter disaster is the simplest > thing in the world; it's preventing one that's complex. (Janet Morris) > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 27 17:22:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27799 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:22:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix (phoenix.aye.net [206.185.8.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA27794 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:22:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ratbert@phoenix.aye.net) Received: (qmail 9407 invoked by uid 2800); 28 Oct 1998 01:20:50 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 Oct 1998 01:20:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:20:49 -0500 (EST) From: To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" cc: Leif Neland , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: route changes erratically (routed) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19981025164612.00ff9974@207.227.119.2> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That clears up much! -- Barrett On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote: > At 02:11 PM 10/25/98 -0500, ratbert@phoenix.aye.net wrote: > > > >We've had some similar problems with our portmasters, OSPF and rip2 both > >seemed to be broken on them. We assigned an x.x.x.x/28 for the dialup > >lines and the portmasters ended up broadcasting themselves as a route > >to a x.x.x.x/28 and /29s, /30s, /31s and /32s within the /28. > >Pretty much turned the routing tables of everything on our network to > >complete garbage. > > RIPv2 does not exist and most likely never will in the COM/OS and OSPF is > definately not broken. > > As for garbage, it could be cleaned up with better planning and OSPF beats > the hell out of plugging static routes. > > >What we did to solve it was add a static route on our servers and other > >routers with the portmaster as a gateway to the dialup subnet assigned > >to it. Have the static dialup ip addresses be on the same network with > >the portmasters and servers and let the portmasters proxyarp for those > >ip addresses. > > Proxyarp advocate eh? > > Unless a server is a gateway there is no reason to run a routing daemon, > unless you don't want the router to be a hop, but if the addresses are not > in the same /24 they will be. YMMV, but for simplicity and pertinence to > the original post. > > For PM2's it works best if you start with the 2nd /27, use OSPF, and set > the pool size to 32. Bam, one route! > > Should you have a slew of these you start the first on .2 (not .1) and use > pool-size=30 (it can only have 30, but still) and you get: > > .2 /31 > .4 /30 > .8 /29 > .16 /28 > > If you use .1 you get: > > .1 /32 > .2 /31 > .4 /30 > .8 /29 > .16 /29 > .24 /30 > .28 /31 > .30 /32 > > Fairly visual example of why one *should* use even boundaries. Tends to > add a bit of clutter, as you know. ;) > > Expand this to a fully populated /24 with 8 PM2's: > > .2 /31 - pm1 (pool size=30) > .4 /30 > .8 /29 > .16 /28 > .32 /27 - pm2 (pool size=32 ditto for pm3-7) > .64 /27 - pm3 > .96 /27 - pm4 > .128 /27 - pm5 > .160 /27 - pm6 > .192 /27 - pm7 > .224 /28 - pm8 (pool size=32) > .240 /29 > .248 /30 > .252 /31 > > Gosh, only 14 routes and some few lines in the Cisco or did you really want > 64 routes? Didn't think so. ;) > > >On Fri, 23 Oct 1998, Leif Neland wrote: > > > >> We have 2 portmasters (PM2), several servers, a cisco to the world, and a > >> firewall to the internal network. > >> > >> The cisco is default gateway > >> > >> The servers and portmasters are on one class C, the dialins are on another > >> class C. > >> > >> Because some users have fixed ip, but can dial in on either of the > >> portmasters, I run routed on all servers, and the portmasters seem to > >> announce on which portmaster the customer is, so the route gets changed to > >> the right portmaster. > > > Don't use routed, ever. > > > You *could* use gated and OSPF for this but there is no reason with the > Cisco being the default gateway and for the size of your setup. No issue > with the servers and PM IPs on one /24 and the dial-in IPs on another. > > >> The traceroute should then go from server to pm1 or pm2 to customer. > > Only if you really want it that way. You either live with one more hop and > a slight increase to the latency or a more complex setup for a small gain. > With OSPF you could inject RIP, but again for a small gain. I didn't > bother since *most* traffic from dial-up will go out the router anyways. > > >> However, often the route changes so it goes > >> server->cisco->pm->client or > >> server->firewall->pm->client or even > >> server->cisco->(router at our uplink)->cisco->(router at our uplink) etc. > > The first 2 are ok, but the 3rd? What version of COMOS on the PM2's? > > >> If I constantly pings the client, I gets pauses where the pings are lost. > > How are your network collisions? Sounds like it may be bad cabling since > at least some packets are making it. > > >> What do I do wrong? Shouldn't I use routed on the servers, but only route > >> default gateway to the cisco, and let it handle the pm1/pm2 route changes? > >> Or should I have one server running routed? or gated? or what? > > Use OSPF between the PM's and the Cisco, verify propagation, lose the > static routes, turn off routed on the servers, and all is well. > > I've got templates for the PMs so it would be a matter of changing a few > things and pasting it in a terminal window. Takes less than 10 minutes to > convert. One hitch is I don't have access to a Cisco at the moment so > would need either access to one (for just one IP - access control is good > :) or some pointers for Cisco OSPF, since I'm a bit rusty. Not something I > do often, after all once you set it... > > cheers! > > > Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking > jeff@mountin.net > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 27 19:34:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA12852 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:34:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from trans.hk.hi.cn. (trans.hk.hi.cn [202.100.192.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA12842 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:34:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from caijj@trans.hk.hi.cn) From: caijj@trans.hk.hi.cn Received: by trans.hk.hi.cn. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA02807; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:28:49 +0800 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:28:49 +0800 Message-Id: <199810280328.LAA02807@trans.hk.hi.cn.> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Why the quota don't take affect? Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Everybody: I read the FreeBSD FAQs from the site, then I limited the user's disk size using "quota". But now find it doesn't work correctly. I used "repquota -a" to list the quota's information, and I found tow users had exceede the limit. I don't know what the "grace" means. I'v recompiled the kernel and modified the /etc/sysconfig and /etc/fstab. The FAQ told me, I must create the quotas files in the file systems which I want to limit the disk usage, ie: /usr/admin/quotas. I want to know: I must create the directory "admin"? And how to create the quotas file -- "touch" or something else? Any answer is appreciated! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 27 20:09:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA16048 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:09:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.netdirect.net (mail.netdirect.net [204.120.164.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA16042 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:09:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from angrick@netdirect.net) Received: from kryll2 (p11-term1-ind.netdirect.net [204.248.210.60]) by mail.netdirect.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA18855 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:08:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981027230412.009d89d0@netdirect.net> X-Sender: angrick@netdirect.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:04:12 +0000 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Andrew Angrick Subject: Novell Volume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does any know if its possible to mount a novell 3.11 volume w/ FreeBSD? I've got a couple of CGI scripts running w/ apache on an NT server (w/ a novell volume mapped) but I'd like to move it all over to FreeBSD. Thanks Andy Angrick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 28 07:06:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08270 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 07:06:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from user1.channel1.com (user1.channel1.com [199.1.13.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08263 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 07:06:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin@channel1.com) Received: from ntadmin (ntadmin.channel1.com [204.96.33.24]) by user1.channel1.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA23432 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:05:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981028100506.00e337d0@pop.channel1.com> X-Sender: deepblue@pop.channel1.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:05:06 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mail Handler Subject: Re: Novell Volume In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19981027230412.009d89d0@netdirect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:04 PM 10/27/98 +0000, you wrote: >Does any know if its possible to mount a novell 3.11 volume w/ FreeBSD? >I've got a couple of CGI scripts running w/ apache on an NT server (w/ a >novell volume mapped) but I'd like to move it all over to FreeBSD. We export several Netware 3.11 servers to a FreeBSD machine running 2.2.1. Works fine, but when we tried upgrades to 2.2.2 and 2.2.5, it broke NFS volume mounting. I asked around on several lists at the time but didn't get any reponse. >Thanks >Andy Angrick > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > Brian Miller admin@channel1.com Channel 1 Communications 617-864-0100 voice 617-354-3100 fax http://www.channel1.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 28 12:36:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15166 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:36:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.webnology.com (mercury.webnology.com [209.155.51.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA15161 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:36:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jooji@webnology.com) Received: from localhost (jooji@localhost) by mercury.webnology.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA05138; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:41:09 -0600 (envelope-from jooji@webnology.com) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:41:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Jasper O'Malley" To: caijj@trans.hk.hi.cn cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why the quota don't take affect? In-Reply-To: <199810280328.LAA02807@trans.hk.hi.cn.> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 28 Oct 1998 caijj@trans.hk.hi.cn wrote: > Everybody: > I read the FreeBSD FAQs from the site, then I limited the user's > disk size using "quota". But now find it doesn't work > correctly. I used "repquota -a" to list the quota's information, and > I found tow users had exceede the limit. I don't know what the "grace" > means. It's the number of days a user has to bring his disk usage below the soft limit before he can no longer increase his disk usage. Say my soft limit is 5 megs, and my hard limit is 10 megs, with a grace period of 7 days. If I save a 6 meg file in my home directory, I then have 7 days to bring my disk usage back below 5 megabytes. For those 7 days, I can even increase my disk usage, all the way up to my hard limit of 10 megs. Once my 7 days of grace has run out, though, I can't add a single byte of usage until I delete enough to bring my usage below 5 megs again. > I'v recompiled the kernel and modified the /etc/sysconfig and > /etc/fstab. The FAQ told me, I must create the quotas files in the file > systems which I want to limit the disk usage, ie: /usr/admin/quotas. > I want to know: I must create the directory "admin"? And how to create > the quotas file -- "touch" or something else? By default, the files used by quota are created in the root directory of each filesystem you've got quota turned on for. If /home is a separate file system, and you've got quotas turned on in /home, the files used by quota will be /home/quota.user and, possibily, /home/quota.group (if you're using group quotas). These defaults can be overridden in the /etc/fstab file; instead of specifying "userquota" of "groupquota" in the fstab for the filesystems you want to control with quotas, use "userquota=/path/to/quota.user" or "groupquota=/path/to/quota.group". Note that the filenames don't even have to be quota.user and quota.group, as "userquota=/usr/admin/quotas/home.user" is perfectly legal. If this is what you want to do, create the directory /usr/admin/quotas by hand, and specify the appropriate quota files in fstab for eachfilesystem (userquota=/usr/admin/quotas/home.user for user quotas for /home, userquota=/usr/admin/quotas/var.mail.user for user quotas for /var/mail, if you've got that as a separate filesystem, and so on). The final piece of the the puzzle is the quotacheck program. Run: quotacheck -avug from /etc/rc.local, ensuring that it runs *before* quotaon runs. This will initialize the quota files. I suspect this has already been done, though. Look for the file quota.user in the root directory of each filesystem you're already running quotas on. You may simply be confused about the function of the grace period, which will allow your users to break their soft usage quotas for a short period of time. Cheers, Mick The Reverend Jasper P. O'Malley dotdot:jooji@webnology.com Systems Administrator ringring:asktheadmiral Webnology, LLC woowoo:http://www.webnology.com/~jooji To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 29 04:23:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA17499 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 04:23:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unix.kawartha.com (unix.kawartha.com [204.101.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA17494 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 04:23:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pstewart@kawartha.com) Received: from shell.kawartha.com (shell.kawartha.com [204.101.15.43]) by unix.kawartha.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA27105 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 07:28:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 07:46:32 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Stewart To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Secure Server Dies After 24 hours Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just wondering if anyone has seen Apache 1.2.6-SSL stop receiving requests after about 24 hours... the process keeps running but it gives "document contain no data" after about 24 hours.. used to work fine before upgrading to 2.2.7-RELEASE Thanks, Paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 29 05:05:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA21016 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 05:05:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pasca1.unpad.ac.id (pasca1.unpad.ac.id [167.205.206.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA20988; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 05:05:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mukti@unpad.ac.id) Received: from localhost (mukti@localhost) by pasca1.unpad.ac.id (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA10231; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:38:03 +0700 (JAVT) (envelope-from mukti@unpad.ac.id) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:38:03 +0700 (JAVT) From: Mukti Arip To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Dial-in problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi everyone! I've just upgraded my OS to 2.2.7 Release (It was 2.2.5 Release). Under 2.2.5, everything about dial-in service was OK. But now, I have a really big problem. :( When my customer login to my machine (using his/her terminal program) and then disconnect the link without typing "exit" command at the shell prompt (in this case, the customers choose "hang up" command within their terminal program), the "/bin/sh" process keeps running. So, when another customer login to my machine using the same dial-in line, he/she will see the shell prompt immediately, without prompted to enter his/her username and password. It means, the second dialer will use the first dialer's account. FYI, the current configuration files (rc.serial, ttys, and gettytab) are the one that came with FreeBSD distribution and have no different with old configuration files. My modem configuration are: - use hardware flow control (RTS/CTS) - CD asserted when connected - DTR asserted for operation, dropping DTR hangs up line - quiet mode - no command echo I've tried to solve this problem using mgetty, but the result was zero. So, how to solve this problem? Please help me, it's nightmare to me. Sorry about my English. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks very much. Mukti Arip To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 29 05:21:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA22601 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 05:21:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from prometheus.smlt.com (prometheus.smlt.com [195.172.80.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA22586; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 05:21:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from quintin@smlt.com) Received: from orion.smlt.com (orion.smlt.com [195.172.80.149]) by prometheus.smlt.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA10892; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:21:50 GMT Received: from localhost (quintin@localhost) by orion.smlt.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA02589; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:51:16 GMT Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:51:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Quintin Oliver To: Mukti Arip cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dial-in problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I think there is a program called idled, it might work, just that a friend of mine is running Linux and everytime a telnet session of mine went wrong it would send a TERM signal to any proccess that I had running including /bin/sh. I think you can find it in the ports collection. HTH, Quintin. On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Mukti Arip wrote: > > Hi everyone! > > I've just upgraded my OS to 2.2.7 Release (It was 2.2.5 Release). Under > 2.2.5, everything about dial-in service was OK. But now, I have a really > big problem. :( > > When my customer login to my machine (using his/her terminal program) and > then disconnect the link without typing "exit" command at the shell prompt > (in this case, the customers choose "hang up" command within their > terminal program), the "/bin/sh" process keeps running. So, when another > customer login to my machine using the same dial-in line, he/she will see > the shell prompt immediately, without prompted to enter his/her username > and password. It means, the second dialer will use the first dialer's > account. > > FYI, the current configuration files (rc.serial, ttys, and gettytab) are > the one that came with FreeBSD distribution and have no different with old > configuration files. > > My modem configuration are: > - use hardware flow control (RTS/CTS) > - CD asserted when connected > - DTR asserted for operation, dropping DTR hangs up line > - quiet mode > - no command echo > > I've tried to solve this problem using mgetty, but the result was zero. > > So, how to solve this problem? Please help me, it's nightmare to me. > > Sorry about my English. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > Thanks very much. > > Mukti Arip > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 29 06:39:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA00342 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 06:39:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA00334 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 06:39:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.8) with UUCP id JAA18995 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:37:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA29154 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:45:19 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199810291445.JAA29154@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: Dial-in problem In-Reply-To: from Mukti Arip at "Oct 29, 98 07:38:03 pm" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:45:19 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mukti Arip recently said: > Hi everyone! > > I've just upgraded my OS to 2.2.7 Release (It was 2.2.5 Release). > Under 2.2.5, everything about dial-in service was OK. But now, I > have a really big problem. :( > > When my customer login to my machine (using his/her terminal > program) and then disconnect the link without typing "exit" > command at the shell prompt (in this case, the customers choose > "hang up" command within their terminal program), the "/bin/sh" > process keeps running. So, when another customer login to my > machine using the same dial-in line, he/she will see the shell > prompt immediately, without prompted to enter his/her username and > password. It means, the second dialer will use the first dialer's > account. > My modem configuration are: - use hardware flow control (RTS/CTS) > - CD asserted when connected - DTR asserted for operation, > dropping DTR hangs up line - quiet mode - no command echo The best solutions I've found for this - since I got my first 'smart' modem back in 1982/3 time, is to set the modem so that it will reset itself on carrier drop. Not all modems support this. Yesterday I was trying to set that on one device that while it didn't show it in the manual, it was one of the configurations that could be set, but it just wouldn't save it. What's even nicer is a modem that can be set to drop a connection if there is a long period of no data across the DCE/DTE interface. The Telebits had that. After I put that in I didn't find people connect for 4 to 6 hours who had fallen asleep during downloads. (1200bps downloads do take a lot of time). I went this route after coming in one To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 29 08:08:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA10649 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:08:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.cioe.com (ns1.cioe.com [204.120.165.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA10642 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:08:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@ns1.cioe.com) Received: (from steve@localhost) by ns1.cioe.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) id LAA26468 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:08:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:08:32 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Ames Message-Id: <199810291608.LAA26468@ns1.cioe.com> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 3.0 and /etc/mail/sendmail.cf.additions Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just build a spiffy fresh 3.0 system and happily learned that 3.0 is using sendmail 8.9.1. What I can't figure now is how to blend the anti-spam rules from /etc/mail/sendmail.cf.additions into the 8.9.1 /etc/sendmail.cf. I get some duplicate rulesets. I'm about to go through things and figure it out and merge in what's needed but that is a non-trivial exercise and I wonder if there is an easier way? Before I just added the additions to my sendmail.cf and life went on. -Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 29 08:51:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA15254 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:51:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15249 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:51:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id IAA17486; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:49:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:49:59 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199810291649.IAA17486@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, steve@ns1.cioe.com Subject: Re: 3.0 and /etc/mail/sendmail.cf.additions In-Reply-To: <199810291608.LAA26468@ns1.cioe.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:08:32 -0500 (EST) >From: Steve Ames >I just build a spiffy fresh 3.0 system and happily learned that >3.0 is using sendmail 8.9.1. >What I can't figure now is how to blend the anti-spam rules from >/etc/mail/sendmail.cf.additions into the 8.9.1 /etc/sendmail.cf. >.... >Before I just added the additions to my sendmail.cf and life >went on. Oh -- you modified the .cf file directly (vs. making a .mc file & then using "make" to generate the .cf file)? Unfortunate. (I'd consider this Yet Another Reason to avoid the "hack^Wupdate sendmail.cf file directly" approach.) Perhaps you could try putting together a .mc file for 8.8.8 that generates a .cf file that has the same functionality that's in your present .cf, then generate a .cf file with it for the 8.9.1 environment? A .cf generated from the 8.9.1-supplied .m4 & .mc files will deny relaying by default. david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 29 08:55:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA15869 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:55:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.cioe.com (ns1.cioe.com [204.120.165.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15854 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:55:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@ns1.cioe.com) Received: (from steve@localhost) by ns1.cioe.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) id LAA15126; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:54:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:54:57 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Ames Message-Id: <199810291654.LAA15126@ns1.cioe.com> To: dhw@whistle.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, steve@ns1.cioe.com Subject: Re: 3.0 and /etc/mail/sendmail.cf.additions In-Reply-To: <199810291649.IAA17486@pau-amma.whistle.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Oh -- you modified the .cf file directly (vs. making a .mc file & then > using "make" to generate the .cf file)? Unfortunate. (I'd consider > this Yet Another Reason to avoid the "hack^Wupdate sendmail.cf file > directly" approach.) *sigh* Not the point. I'd be happy to play with the stock freebsd.mc file that happily generates the stock sendmail.cf file. What I'd like to be able to do is to incorporate the sendmail.cf.additions that are in /etc/mail/ into my sendmail.cf. Putting them into the .mc file and then generating a .cf still produces duplicate rules. > A .cf generated from the 8.9.1-supplied .m4 & .mc files will deny > relaying by default. Sure but it doesn't support the extra databases that block known spam sites or utilize the realtime blackhole list. -Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 29 10:09:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25423 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:09:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dns.webwizard.net.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25412 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:09:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Received: from webwizard.org.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by dns.webwizard.net.mx (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA23950; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:09:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Message-ID: <3638AF50.7982D888@webwizard.org.mx> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:09:20 -0600 From: Edwin Culp Reply-To: eculp@mexcom.net.mx X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Ames CC: dhw@whistle.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0 and /etc/mail/sendmail.cf.additions References: <199810291654.LAA15126@ns1.cioe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Steve Ames wrote: > > Oh -- you modified the .cf file directly (vs. making a .mc file & then > > using "make" to generate the .cf file)? Unfortunate. (I'd consider > > this Yet Another Reason to avoid the "hack^Wupdate sendmail.cf file > > directly" approach.) > > *sigh* Not the point. I'd be happy to play with the stock freebsd.mc > file that happily generates the stock sendmail.cf file. What I'd like > to be able to do is to incorporate the sendmail.cf.additions that are > in /etc/mail/ into my sendmail.cf. Putting them into the .mc file and > then generating a .cf still produces duplicate rules. > > > A .cf generated from the 8.9.1-supplied .m4 & .mc files will deny > > relaying by default. > > Sure but it doesn't support the extra databases that block known spam > sites or utilize the realtime blackhole list. > > -Steve Have you looked in /etc/mail? ed To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 29 10:23:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27557 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:23:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [12.9.219.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27552 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:23:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Received: from HARLIE.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [12.9.219.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA27399; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:23:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:23:03 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: Steve Ames cc: dhw@whistle.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0 and /etc/mail/sendmail.cf.additions In-Reply-To: <199810291654.LAA15126@ns1.cioe.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Steve Ames wrote: > > A .cf generated from the 8.9.1-supplied .m4 & .mc files will deny > > relaying by default. > > Sure but it doesn't support the extra databases that block known spam > sites or utilize the realtime blackhole list. Then add the two appropriate lines to the .mc file, since both features have been added to the mc files for 8.9.1. (though you need some patches from www.sendmail.org if you want to use access.db to override the RBL). Here's our .mc file. divert(0)dnl VERSIONID(`@(#)generic-bsd4.4.mc 8.7 (Berkeley) 5/19/98') OSTYPE(bsd4.4)dnl DOMAIN(generic)dnl RELAY_DOMAIN_FILE(/etc/mail/sendmail.cr)dnl FEATURE(rbl)dnl FEATURE(access_db)dnl FEATURE(virtusertable)dnl MAILER(local)dnl MAILER(smtp)dnl This means that we will relay from IP addresses/networks listed in /etc/mail/access.db or to domains listed in /etc/sendmail.cw or /etc/mail/sendmail.cr. We will not accept email from anything in the RBL or any domain/IP address listed in /etc/mail/access.db as REJECT. It's all rather flexible, really. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 29 10:35:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29514 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:35:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhub.ainet.com (mailhub.ainet.com [204.30.40.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA29508 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:35:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmscott@ainet.com) Received: from shell.ainet.com (jmscott@shell.ainet.com [204.30.40.108]) by mailhub.ainet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA02350; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:35:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by shell.ainet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01595; for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 29 Oct 98 10:37:12 PST Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:37:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Joseph M. Scott" To: Steve Ames Cc: dhw@whistle.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0 and /etc/mail/sendmail.cf.additions In-Reply-To: <199810291654.LAA15126@ns1.cioe.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm thinking that the question to ask would be, is the info in the /etc/mail updated ( on 3.0-RELEASE ) to work with sendmail 8.9.1 ( instead of 8.8.8 which is what I believe it was supposed to work with )? From what has been said here I would guess that it hasn't. If that is the case then the only choice to get things working is use your mc file to turn on things like support for the rbl. Also look at maybe updating the /etc/mail info for 8.9.1 ( if that hasn't been done already :-) * Joseph M. Scott * jmscott@ainet.com * American InfoMetrics * Modesto, CA On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Steve Ames wrote: > > Oh -- you modified the .cf file directly (vs. making a .mc file & then > > using "make" to generate the .cf file)? Unfortunate. (I'd consider > > this Yet Another Reason to avoid the "hack^Wupdate sendmail.cf file > > directly" approach.) > > *sigh* Not the point. I'd be happy to play with the stock freebsd.mc > file that happily generates the stock sendmail.cf file. What I'd like > to be able to do is to incorporate the sendmail.cf.additions that are > in /etc/mail/ into my sendmail.cf. Putting them into the .mc file and > then generating a .cf still produces duplicate rules. > > > A .cf generated from the 8.9.1-supplied .m4 & .mc files will deny > > relaying by default. > > Sure but it doesn't support the extra databases that block known spam > sites or utilize the realtime blackhole list. > > -Steve > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 29 11:39:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10399 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:39:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.cioe.com (ns1.cioe.com [204.120.165.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10388 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:39:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@ns1.cioe.com) Received: (from steve@localhost) by ns1.cioe.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) id OAA23735; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:39:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:39:40 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Ames Message-Id: <199810291939.OAA23735@ns1.cioe.com> To: jmscott@ainet.com Subject: Re: 3.0 and /etc/mail/sendmail.cf.additions Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Exactly. That would be the better way of asking the question. *grin* -Steve > I'm thinking that the question to ask would be, is the info in the > /etc/mail updated ( on 3.0-RELEASE ) to work with sendmail 8.9.1 ( instead > of 8.8.8 which is what I believe it was supposed to work with )? > From what has been said here I would guess that it hasn't. If > that is the case then the only choice to get things working is use your mc > file to turn on things like support for the rbl. Also look at maybe > updating the /etc/mail info for 8.9.1 ( if that hasn't been done already > :-) > > * Joseph M. Scott > * jmscott@ainet.com > * American InfoMetrics > * Modesto, CA > > On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Steve Ames wrote: > > > > Oh -- you modified the .cf file directly (vs. making a .mc file & then > > > using "make" to generate the .cf file)? Unfortunate. (I'd consider > > > this Yet Another Reason to avoid the "hack^Wupdate sendmail.cf file > > > directly" approach.) > > > > *sigh* Not the point. I'd be happy to play with the stock freebsd.mc > > file that happily generates the stock sendmail.cf file. What I'd like > > to be able to do is to incorporate the sendmail.cf.additions that are > > in /etc/mail/ into my sendmail.cf. Putting them into the .mc file and > > then generating a .cf still produces duplicate rules. > > > > > A .cf generated from the 8.9.1-supplied .m4 & .mc files will deny > > > relaying by default. > > > > Sure but it doesn't support the extra databases that block known spam > > sites or utilize the realtime blackhole list. > > > > -Steve > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 29 13:12:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23379 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:12:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from joshua.enteract.com (joshua.enteract.com [207.229.129.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA23374 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:12:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from djhoward@joshua.enteract.com) Received: (qmail 27903 invoked by uid 1032); 29 Oct 1998 21:12:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19981029151229.Y8390@enteract.com> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:12:29 -0600 From: dannyman To: Scott Lambert , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Expiring old mail? References: <19981026185229.A386@csw.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19981026185229.A386@csw.net>; from Scott Lambert on Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 06:52:29PM -0600 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 06:52:29PM -0600, Scott Lambert wrote: > Hi, > > I recently ran into a problem with my mail server. The /var/mail disk filled > up. (not good) > > Anyway after several hours of "mail -f username" and deleting 7 month-old un- > read messages and > 1 month-old read messages, I freed up approximately 700MB > of disk. (Why do people subscribe to every mailing list on the planet and > not read their mail?) Heh, I have a little script I used to use for just this sort of situation, which would write a script to move the largest spools into user home directories. #!/bin/sh echo "#!/bin/sh" > movemail rm /home/`whoami`/mail-abusers ls -ulsk /var/mail | sort -rn | head -25 | awk '$4==$10 { print "\n#"$4" size "$6" last mod "$8" "$7" "$9"\nmv /var/mail/"$4" /home/"$4"/INBOX\nchown "$4" /home/"$4"/INBOX\necho -n \""$4", \" >> /home/djhoward/mail-abusers" }' >> movemail #echo "rm movemail" >> movemail chmod 755 movemail $EDITOR movemail echo "Okay, now you can sudo ./movemail at your discretion." Not the cleanest or prettiest script, by any means, but that fouth line always gave me a warm fuzzy feeling. HTH, danny -- // dannyman yori aiokomete || Our Honored Symbol deserves \\/ http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ || an Honorable Retirement (UIUC) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 29 15:00:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07834 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:00:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.cioe.com (ns1.cioe.com [204.120.165.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07822 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:00:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@ns1.cioe.com) Received: (from steve@localhost) by ns1.cioe.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) id RAA15139; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:59:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:59:58 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Ames Message-Id: <199810292259.RAA15139@ns1.cioe.com> To: dannyman@dannyland.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, lambert@csw.net Subject: Re: Expiring old mail? In-Reply-To: <19981029151229.Y8390@enteract.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Run 'cucipop'... it has some flags for dealing with this. Dunno how well they actually work :) -steve > > Hi, > > > > I recently ran into a problem with my mail server. The /var/mail disk filled > > up. (not good) > > > > Anyway after several hours of "mail -f username" and deleting 7 month-old un- > > read messages and > 1 month-old read messages, I freed up approximately 700MB > > of disk. (Why do people subscribe to every mailing list on the planet and > > not read their mail?) > > Heh, I have a little script I used to use for just this sort of situation, > which would write a script to move the largest spools into user home > directories. > > #!/bin/sh > echo "#!/bin/sh" > movemail > rm /home/`whoami`/mail-abusers > ls -ulsk /var/mail | sort -rn | head -25 | awk '$4==$10 { print "\n#"$4" size "$6" last mod "$8" "$7" "$9"\nmv /var/mail/"$4" /home/"$4"/INBOX\nchown "$4" /home/"$4"/INBOX\necho -n \""$4", \" >> /home/djhoward/mail-abusers" }' >> movemail > #echo "rm movemail" >> movemail > chmod 755 movemail > $EDITOR movemail > echo "Okay, now you can sudo ./movemail at your discretion." > > Not the cleanest or prettiest script, by any means, but that fouth line always > gave me a warm fuzzy feeling. > > HTH, > danny > > -- > // dannyman yori aiokomete || Our Honored Symbol deserves > \\/ http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ || an Honorable Retirement (UIUC) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 29 15:05:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08653 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:05:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thor.afnetinc.com (thor.afnetinc.com [206.40.232.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08648 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:05:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from efinley@efinley.com) Received: from pm3-0-ip4.afnetinc.com ([206.40.232.83]) by thor.afnetinc.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zZ17z-0005d0-00; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:05:16 -0700 From: efinley@efinley.com (Elliot Finley) To: dannyman Cc: Scott Lambert , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Expiring old mail? Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:06:00 GMT Organization: Hiawatha Coal Company Reply-To: efinley@efinley.com Message-ID: <363af4a4.6564902@mail.afnetinc.com> References: <19981026185229.A386@csw.net> <19981029151229.Y8390@enteract.com> In-Reply-To: <19981029151229.Y8390@enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id PAA08649 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a perl script that I run once per day that goes through all the mailboxes and removes all messages that are older than 60 days, whether they've been read or not. On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:12:29 -0600, you wrote: >On Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 06:52:29PM -0600, Scott Lambert wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I recently ran into a problem with my mail server. The /var/mail disk filled >> up. (not good) >> >> Anyway after several hours of "mail -f username" and deleting 7 month-old un- >> read messages and > 1 month-old read messages, I freed up approximately 700MB >> of disk. (Why do people subscribe to every mailing list on the planet and >> not read their mail?) > >Heh, I have a little script I used to use for just this sort of situation, >which would write a script to move the largest spools into user home >directories. > >#!/bin/sh >echo "#!/bin/sh" > movemail >rm /home/`whoami`/mail-abusers >ls -ulsk /var/mail | sort -rn | head -25 | awk '$4==$10 { print "\n#"$4" size "$6" last mod "$8" "$7" "$9"\nmv /var/mail/"$4" /home/"$4"/INBOX\nchown "$4" /home/"$4"/INBOX\necho -n \""$4", \" >> /home/djhoward/mail-abusers" }' >> movemail >#echo "rm movemail" >> movemail >chmod 755 movemail >$EDITOR movemail >echo "Okay, now you can sudo ./movemail at your discretion." > >Not the cleanest or prettiest script, by any means, but that fouth line always >gave me a warm fuzzy feeling. > >HTH, >danny -- Later Science (efinley@efinley.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 29 17:09:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27513 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:09:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fan.net.au (fan.net.au [203.20.92.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA27508 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:09:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from q@fan.net.au) Received: from dialup-nas4-17.gc.fan.net.au (dialup-nas4-17.gc.fan.net.au [203.23.134.201]) by fan.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA11272; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:08:55 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:08:55 +1000 (EST) From: Q X-Sender: q@kermit.home.net To: Paul Stewart cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Secure Server Dies After 24 hours In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Paul Stewart wrote: > Just wondering if anyone has seen Apache 1.2.6-SSL stop receiving requests > after about 24 hours... the process keeps running but it gives "document > contain no data" after about 24 hours.. used to work fine before upgrading > to 2.2.7-RELEASE You might want to consider upgrading to apache-1.3.3+ssl-1.28. I have experienced similar problems in the past with 1.2.6. If you don't want to upgrade then try turning gcache off and see if it fixes the problem. Running without gcache is REALLY SLOW however. Seeya...Q -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _____ / Quinton Dolan - q@fan.net.au __ __/ / / __/ / / Systems Administrator / __ / _/ / / Fast Access Network __/ __/ __/ ____/ / - / Gold Coast, QLD, Australia _______ / Ph: +61 7 5574 1050 \_\ SAGE-AU Member To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 30 06:05:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA11445 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:05:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.gtn.com (mail.gtn.com [194.77.0.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA11423 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:05:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id PAA04326 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:00:11 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04313 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:45:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19981030144540.A29228@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:45:40 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: expect times out when examining router and switches with many devices Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi ! A collegue of mine and I have problems with expect scripts that login remotely on a cisco router or catalyst and do some data collecting tasks for statistics. Especially when the devices have many interfaces the expect script times out often. We say this on a DEC ALPHA system and doing it with expect from the FreeBSD ports collection (running on 2.2.7). I heard this would be a known problem with expect. Hmm, folks, is this a known problem or is there a workaround ? Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 30 06:31:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15147 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:31:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fj.web.dk (fj.web.dk [195.78.64.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA15130 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:31:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fj@fj.web.dk) Received: (from fj@localhost) by fj.web.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06324; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:31:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from fj) From: Flemming Jacobsen Message-Id: <199810301431.PAA06324@fj.web.dk> Subject: Re: expect times out when examining router and switches with many devices In-Reply-To: <19981030144540.A29228@klemm.gtn.com> from Andreas Klemm at "Oct 30, 1998 2:45:40 pm" To: andreas@klemm.gtn.com (Andreas Klemm) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:31:39 +0100 (CET) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andreas Klemm wrote: > A collegue of mine and I have problems with expect scripts > that login remotely on a cisco router or catalyst and do some > data collecting tasks for statistics. > > Especially when the devices have many interfaces the expect > script times out often. We say this on a DEC ALPHA system and > doing it with expect from the FreeBSD ports collection (running > on 2.2.7). > > I heard this would be a known problem with expect. > Hmm, folks, is this a known problem or is there a workaround ? set timeout Or am I missing something ? Hyg' Flemming To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 30 06:40:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA16420 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:40:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA16414 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:40:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA14588 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:40:40 GMT Message-ID: <3639CFE6.B13FE2CB@tdx.co.uk> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:40:38 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX - The Digital eXchange X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: pppd under 2.2.7 - Idle timeout? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All, Anyone seen any problems with pppd (kernel ppp) under 2.2.7? - We have it set to kick people off if they're idle for 10 minutes (600 seconds), but it never seems to kick them off... We added the option: idle 600 To our regular ppp config file (/etc/ppp/options) - but it doesn't seem to work... I noticed in the man pages it made reference to filters etc. - but from what I understood the filters could only be used (with respect to idle time) to either reset (or not reset) the idle countdown timer depending on the type of traffic going accross the link?... And that when used in the default mode (i.e. no filters) the idle timer would be reset for _any_ packet crossing the link regardless? Regards, Karl Pielorz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 30 09:26:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03478 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:26:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from amber.eaznet.com (amber.eaznet.com [216.19.20.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03469 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:26:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eddie@eaznet.com) Received: from eaznet.com (admin.eaznet.com [216.19.20.16]) by amber.eaznet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20524 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:31:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3639F762.3BBC374C@eaznet.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:29:06 -0700 From: Eddie Fry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Livingston Radius ABM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone talked to Lucington about porting their ABM product to FreeBSD? I guess I should first ask... Is there an Oracle DB available for FreeBSD? Thanks, -- Eddie Fry EAZNet Internet Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 30 10:05:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07405 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:05:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.us.net (www.us.net [198.240.72.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07399 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:05:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jjw@us.net) Received: from us.net (home.us.net [198.240.72.28]) by www.us.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA00276; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:04:56 -0500 (EST) X-Provider: US Net - Advanced Internet Services - 301-361-USNET - info@us.net Where Business Connects! (tm) -- http://www.us.net/ Message-ID: <3639FD5A.A01387BD@us.net> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:54:34 -0500 From: John Woodruff Reply-To: jjw@us.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Expiring old mail? References: <19981026185229.A386@csw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Scott Lambert wrote: > Is "expire" like tool for the mail spool files? # pkg_add ftp://ftp.us.net/pub/unix/freebsd/purgmbox-1.0.tgz # purgmbox ? Purpose: Purge old mail items from Unix mailbox files Usage: purgmbox [-opts] mbox ... -fname - Purge messages From name -lfile - Log messages to 'file' -onn - Purge messages older than nn days -snn - Purge until mailbox smaller than nn kbytes -v ... - Verbose; Print summary. Repeat for more detail mbox - One or more mailbox files # find /var/mail -type f | xargs purgmbox -o60 -s500 Source in same place as purgmbox-1.0src.tgz, not a pkg_add. Simple. C. Edits in one pass. Looks at postmark only, so can't tell if a message was read or not. YMMV. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Oct 31 20:09:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA03952 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 20:09:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ms.lawton.com.cn ([202.96.242.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA03947; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 20:09:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from haifeng@ms.lawton.com.cn) Received: from lawton2.lawton.com.cn ([202.96.242.246]) by ms.lawton.com.cn (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA20499; Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:18:22 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from haifeng@ms.lawton.com.cn) From: "Haifeng Guo" To: Cc: Subject: a web interface for news read Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:05:47 +0800 Message-ID: <01be054c$e76baf00$f6f260ca@lawton2.lawton.com.cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_023D_01BE058F.F58EEF00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_023D_01BE058F.F58EEF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi: Where can get a web interface for inn news server. thank advance ------=_NextPart_000_023D_01BE058F.F58EEF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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