From owner-freebsd-net Sun Nov 8 19:16:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29450 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:16:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA29445 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:16:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (wes@zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA15792; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 20:16:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <36465E90.597D9CF5@softweyr.com> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 20:16:32 -0700 From: Wes Peters Reply-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Albrecht CC: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA EtherExpress Pro/100 supported? References: <13892.37693.738551.462846@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bruce Albrecht wrote: > > Is this NIC supported by FreeBSD? If so, which driver. If not, does > anyone have any suggestions as to which driver would be a good choice > to use as a base? Yes, it is; it is probably the preferred ethernet driver for FreeBSD these days. The driver name is fxp. Questions like 'is xxx supported on FreeBSD' are more suitable for the "questions" mail list, so I've directed replies there. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sun Nov 8 20:05:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA04270 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 20:05:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from abby.skypoint.net (abby.skypoint.net [199.86.32.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA04265; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 20:05:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bruce@zuhause.mn.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by abby.skypoint.net (8.8.7/jl 1.3) with UUCP id WAA14496; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 22:05:35 -0600 (CST) Received: (from bruce@localhost) by zuhause.mn.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA02010; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 21:57:49 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bruce) From: Bruce Albrecht MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <13894.26684.886269.935910@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 21:57:48 -0600 (CST) To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA EtherExpress Pro/100 supported? In-Reply-To: <36465E90.597D9CF5@softweyr.com> References: <13892.37693.738551.462846@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> <36465E90.597D9CF5@softweyr.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.62 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wes Peters writes: > Bruce Albrecht wrote: > > > > Is this NIC supported by FreeBSD? If so, which driver. If not, does > > anyone have any suggestions as to which driver would be a good choice > > to use as a base? > > Yes, it is; it is probably the preferred ethernet driver for FreeBSD > these days. The driver name is fxp. > > Questions like 'is xxx supported on FreeBSD' are more suitable for the > "questions" mail list, so I've directed replies there. The fxp driver is located in sys/pci/if_fxp.c, which is why I asked this question. The card in question is ISA, not PCI, and I didn't see anything is sys/i386/isa that referenced the Intel 82557 chipset. If, as I suspect, the driver for the PCI card is incapable of driving the ISA card, I'm interested in pointers for modifying another ISA network driver to support this card, like "if_ZZZ.c is an archetypical ISA network driver, start with it, but look at the if_fxp driver too". To me, that sounds more like a topic for freebsd-net, not -questions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sun Nov 8 20:49:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA08613 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 20:49:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [208.131.56.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA08608 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 20:49:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkf@calweb.com) Received: by mail.calweb.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA24505 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 20:48:58 -0800 (PST) X-SMTP: helo web2.calweb.com from jkf@calweb.com server jkf@web2.calweb.com ip 208.131.56.52 Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 20:48:58 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason K. Fritcher" To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: router/bridge question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello. I currently have a 2.2.7-RELEASE system routing between a network and the rest of the internet. I would like to split the inside network into two segments and have the gateway bridge the two inside segments, in addition to routing them to the internet. I have d/l'ed Luigi's bridging patches, and read them over. Before I patch a kernel and put it into use on a production machine, I wanted to know from others how well it bridges, and routes at the same time. For the internal network, I am going to be using a dual-port SMC card using the de driver. For the internet link, I am most likely going to be using an Intel EtherExpress. Looking at the comments at the top of bridge.c, it says to give only one interface an address. If this machine is also going to route between two networks, I am going to need to assign an address to the outside interface, and an address to the inside pair, but I have absolutely no idea how this is to be accomplished. Any help/comments/pointers much appriciated. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason K. Fritcher System Administrator jkf@calweb.com CalWeb Internet Services http://www.calweb.com/ 916-641-9320 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sun Nov 8 22:01:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14461 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 22:01:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA14455 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 22:01:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (wes@zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA15969; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 23:01:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <36468536.28F5C35@softweyr.com> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 23:01:26 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jason K. Fritcher" CC: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: router/bridge question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jason K. Fritcher" wrote: > > Hello. > > I currently have a 2.2.7-RELEASE system routing between a network and the > rest of the internet. I would like to split the inside network into two > segments and have the gateway bridge the two inside segments, in addition to > routing them to the internet. I have d/l'ed Luigi's bridging patches, and > read them over. Before I patch a kernel and put it into use on a production > machine, I wanted to know from others how well it bridges, and routes at the > same time. > > For the internal network, I am going to be using a dual-port SMC card using > the de driver. For the internet link, I am most likely going to be using an > Intel EtherExpress. Looking at the comments at the top of bridge.c, it says > to give only one interface an address. If this machine is also going to > route between two networks, I am going to need to assign an address to the > outside interface, and an address to the inside pair, but I have absolutely > no idea how this is to be accomplished. > > Any help/comments/pointers much appriciated. Buy an inexpensive 4- or 8-port ethernet switch, and put your FreeBSD router on a switch port, with each of your two new "subnets" uplinked into other switch ports. You won't have to partition your addresses or any other silly admin headaches. Never use software to solve a hardware problem. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sun Nov 8 22:15:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA15506 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 22:15:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA15499 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 22:15:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id FAA27210; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 05:14:23 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199811090414.FAA27210@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: router/bridge question To: jkf@calweb.com (Jason K. Fritcher) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 05:14:23 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Jason K. Fritcher" at Nov 8, 98 08:48:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > machine, I wanted to know from others how well it bridges, and routes at the > same time. it should work, slightly suboptimally at the moment (i.e. it puts all ethernet interfaces in promisc mode). I have some mods to let you do bridging only on clusters of interfaces, but don't know when they will be ready for commit. In the meantime, if the above is a problem for you, the best approach would be to skip your "external" interface in the bridging loop. > For the internal network, I am going to be using a dual-port SMC card using > the de driver. For the internet link, I am most likely going to be using an > Intel EtherExpress. Looking at the comments at the top of bridge.c, it says > to give only one interface an address. If this machine is also going to > route between two networks, I am going to need to assign an address to the > outside interface, and an address to the inside pair, but I have absolutely correct: one address to the card connection to the outside, one address to one of the cards connected to the inside. cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Mon Nov 9 01:06:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01821 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 01:06:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA01355 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 01:01:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA27388; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 08:00:25 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199811090700.IAA27388@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: router/bridge question To: wes@softweyr.com (Wes Peters) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 08:00:25 +0100 (MET) Cc: jkf@calweb.com, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <36468536.28F5C35@softweyr.com> from "Wes Peters" at Nov 8, 98 11:01:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > rest of the internet. I would like to split the inside network into two > > segments and have the gateway bridge the two inside segments, in addition to ... > > Any help/comments/pointers much appriciated. > > Buy an inexpensive 4- or 8-port ethernet switch, and put your FreeBSD > router on a switch port, with each of your two new "subnets" uplinked > into other switch ports. You won't have to partition your addresses > or any other silly admin headaches. while i agree that given the budget one can use a switch, i want to point out that: + the additional cost for the original solution is just one more ethernet card; + even by dedicating a full machine to the task, a real switch (not a hub) might probably cost as much as a leftover pentium machine with 2-3 ethernet boards; + most "inexpensive" switches come with UTP connectors, sothe original poster might have to put in additional UTP<->BNC adapters. and finally: + bridging in FreeBSD is real bridging -- you don't have to partition addresses or admin/configure anything for the bridging part. not to mention that you can make use of firewall and dummynet at the bridging level. > Never use software to solve a hardware problem. ;^) and, i hope you are aware that a switch, unlike a hub is not a "pure" hardware device, but there is software running on it to handle forwarding, manage queues etc. luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Mon Nov 9 01:33:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA04854 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 01:33:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [208.131.56.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA04848 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 01:33:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkf@calweb.com) Received: by mail.calweb.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA00145; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 01:31:04 -0800 (PST) X-SMTP: helo web2.calweb.com from jkf@calweb.com server jkf@web2.calweb.com ip 208.131.56.52 Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 01:31:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason K. Fritcher" To: Luigi Rizzo cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: router/bridge question In-Reply-To: <199811090414.FAA27210@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 9 Nov 1998, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > it should work, slightly suboptimally at the moment (i.e. it puts all > ethernet interfaces in promisc mode). Ok. That shouldn't be a problem. > I have some mods to let you do bridging only on clusters of interfaces, > but don't know when they will be ready for commit. In the meantime, if > the above is a problem for you, the best approach would be to skip your > "external" interface in the bridging loop. I might need to leave promiscious mode turned off on the external interface since it links to our backbone network, and I don't want to bog the machine down with trying to process every packet that arrives at that interface. > > For the internal network, I am going to be using a dual-port SMC card using > > the de driver. For the internet link, I am most likely going to be using an > > Intel EtherExpress. Looking at the comments at the top of bridge.c, it says > > to give only one interface an address. If this machine is also going to > > route between two networks, I am going to need to assign an address to the > > outside interface, and an address to the inside pair, but I have absolutely > > correct: one address to the card connection to the outside, one address > to one of the cards connected to the inside. Ok, so in my example, fxp0 would get an address from the external network, de0 would get an address from the internal network, and de1 would get no address, or would I need to give it the same address as de0? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason K. Fritcher System Administrator jkf@calweb.com CalWeb Internet Services http://www.calweb.com/ 916-641-9320 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Mon Nov 9 01:37:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA05595 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 01:37:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [208.131.56.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA05590 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 01:37:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkf@calweb.com) Received: by mail.calweb.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA00967; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 01:35:49 -0800 (PST) X-SMTP: helo web2.calweb.com from jkf@calweb.com server jkf@web2.calweb.com ip 208.131.56.52 Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 01:35:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason K. Fritcher" To: Luigi Rizzo cc: Wes Peters , freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: router/bridge question In-Reply-To: <199811090700.IAA27388@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 9 Nov 1998, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > Buy an inexpensive 4- or 8-port ethernet switch, and put your FreeBSD > > router on a switch port, with each of your two new "subnets" uplinked > > into other switch ports. You won't have to partition your addresses > > or any other silly admin headaches. > > while i agree that given the budget one can use a switch, i want to > point out that: > + the additional cost for the original solution is just one more > ethernet card; > + even by dedicating a full machine to the task, > a real switch (not a hub) might probably cost as much as a > leftover pentium machine with 2-3 ethernet boards; > + most "inexpensive" switches come with UTP connectors, sothe original > poster might have to put in additional UTP<->BNC adapters. Exactly. We already have a machine dedicated to being a gateway, and adding another NIC, and patching a kernel is a lot more financially efficient than dedicating a switch to a network of only ~25 machines. > and finally: > > + bridging in FreeBSD is real bridging -- you don't have to partition > addresses or admin/configure anything for the bridging part. > > not to mention that you can make use of firewall and dummynet at the > bridging level. Hmmm... What would the difference be of using ipfw at this level vs at the IP level? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason K. Fritcher System Administrator jkf@calweb.com CalWeb Internet Services http://www.calweb.com/ 916-641-9320 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Mon Nov 9 06:15:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA05995 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 06:15:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA05978; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 06:15:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03103; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:14:58 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id PAA10800; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:14:58 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19981109151458.50653@follo.net> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:14:58 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Bruce Albrecht , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA EtherExpress Pro/100 supported? References: <13892.37693.738551.462846@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> <36465E90.597D9CF5@softweyr.com> <13894.26684.886269.935910@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <13894.26684.886269.935910@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org>; from Bruce Albrecht on Sun, Nov 08, 1998 at 09:57:48PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Nov 08, 1998 at 09:57:48PM -0600, Bruce Albrecht wrote: > The fxp driver is located in sys/pci/if_fxp.c, which is why I asked > this question. The card in question is ISA, not PCI, and I didn't see > anything is sys/i386/isa that referenced the Intel 82557 chipset. If, > as I suspect, the driver for the PCI card is incapable of driving the > ISA card, I'm interested in pointers for modifying another ISA network > driver to support this card, like "if_ZZZ.c is an archetypical ISA > network driver, start with it, but look at the if_fxp driver too". To > me, that sounds more like a topic for freebsd-net, not -questions. Check the if_ie.c driver, which is a driver for an ISA Intel Etherexpress. I don't know if it is for the _right_ ISA Intel Etherexpress, though. Also look at if_ed.c (chaotic, but probably show just about every possible ting you could do), and if_fxp.c. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Mon Nov 9 06:32:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA07284 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 06:32:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA07259 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 06:31:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id KAA27564; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 10:31:12 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199811090931.KAA27564@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: router/bridge question To: jkf@calweb.com (Jason K. Fritcher) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 10:31:12 +0100 (MET) Cc: wes@softweyr.com, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Jason K. Fritcher" at Nov 9, 98 01:35:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > not to mention that you can make use of firewall and dummynet at the > > bridging level. > > Hmmm... What would the difference be of using ipfw at this level vs at the > IP level? in your case probably none -- but some people might need to put a firewall in the middle of network without being able to access to the router or putting a new one. cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Mon Nov 9 10:20:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02820 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 10:20:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02814 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 10:20:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id KAA00304; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 10:19:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id KAA24476; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 10:19:13 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id LAA02231; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 11:19:12 -0700 Message-ID: <3647321F.86509DA7@softweyr.com> Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 11:19:11 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luigi Rizzo CC: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: router/bridge question References: <199811090700.IAA27388@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > > rest of the internet. I would like to split the inside network into two > > > segments and have the gateway bridge the two inside segments, in addition to > ... > > > Any help/comments/pointers much appriciated. > > > > Buy an inexpensive 4- or 8-port ethernet switch, and put your FreeBSD > > router on a switch port, with each of your two new "subnets" uplinked > > into other switch ports. You won't have to partition your addresses > > or any other silly admin headaches. > > while i agree that given the budget one can use a switch, i want to > point out that: > + the additional cost for the original solution is just one more > ethernet card; > + even by dedicating a full machine to the task, > a real switch (not a hub) might probably cost as much as a > leftover pentium machine with 2-3 ethernet boards; Especially if the original machine in question is already dedicated to the routing role. I thought about this last night after I'd shut down my computer, but was too tired to post my follow-up thoughts. > + most "inexpensive" switches come with UTP connectors, sothe original > poster might have to put in additional UTP<->BNC adapters. Ugh, yeah, thin-net. Ick. > and finally: > > + bridging in FreeBSD is real bridging -- you don't have to partition > addresses or admin/configure anything for the bridging part. > > not to mention that you can make use of firewall and dummynet at the > bridging level. Again, free if the machine in question is already dedicated to the task, or has enough spare CPU cycles. I suppose it's possible if the machine in question has enough CPU you could even run other services on it; a DNS cache-only or forwarding server might be a good service to hang at this point. Other proxies, such as news I wasn't attempting to say FreeBSD isn't a good solution for this problem, just that there may be *simpler* solutions. Networks tend to expand much faster than plans call for, and leaving a few extra ports in each time you grow something is ALWAYS a good idea. If the original poster already has a dedicated FreeBSD machine and wants to add bridging, perhaps buying 2- or 4-port Zynyx (sp?) cards might be a good solution. > > Never use software to solve a hardware problem. ;^) > > and, i hope you are aware that a switch, unlike a hub is not a "pure" > hardware device, but there is software running on it to handle > forwarding, manage queues etc. You obviously haven't looked inside the little 4- and 8-port 10Base-T switches these days. Yeah, I suppose you could call those forwarding chips software, but they certainly look like hardware to me. To the guy who used to sit across the hall from me designing one of them, too. His switch has a tiny little ROM (256 bytes or so) to configure the forwarding chip. That 8-port 10Base-T switch, now known as the Intel InBusiness Switch, sells for $250 at DataComm Warehouse: http://product.warehouse.com/SEARCH/bin/catproduct.DLL?product_id=168477 When it comes to "easy to implement" solutions, these things can't be beat. Most of them have one control: the on/off switch. -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters +1.801.915.2061 Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Mon Nov 9 10:36:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA04664 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 10:36:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04659 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 10:36:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA06499 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 19:36:06 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id TAA15700; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 19:36:05 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19981109193605.28373@follo.net> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 19:36:05 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Interesting problem with ep card Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Scenario: Put a 3C509 in a box, let it stay there for approx a year (using it with no problem) Suddenly see abmyssal roundtrip times, assume something wrong in the network cabling. Set up a ping between problem box and my workstation (on the same LAN - there is only a segment hub between the two boxes), just to see how the link behaves. See ping times go steadily from normal upwards over a period of 83s, then wrap at approx 1024ms and go down to normal, only to build up again. This pattern is consistent over a couple of hours. Put in an NE2000 clone, see problem go away. I don't know if this a problem with the driver or the single card (I've used 20 or so of these cards, and never seen it before). It is, however, interesting behavour :-) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Mon Nov 9 11:35:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA11934 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 11:35:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from clutch.accrue.com (mail.accrue.com [207.86.139.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11929 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 11:35:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andy@accrue.com) Received: from seatbelt.accrue.com (seatbelt.accrue.com [207.86.139.217]) by clutch.accrue.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA18794 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 11:34:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from accrue.com (localhost.accrue.com [127.0.0.1]) by seatbelt.accrue.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA15870 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 11:27:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3647420D.E3E2A0A3@accrue.com> Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 19:27:09 +0000 From: Andrew Sharp Organization: Accrue Software X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: router/bridge question References: <199811090700.IAA27388@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> <3647321F.86509DA7@softweyr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wes Peters wrote: > You obviously haven't looked inside the little 4- and 8-port 10Base-T > switches these days. Yeah, I suppose you could call those forwarding > chips software, but they certainly look like hardware to me. To the > guy who used to sit across the hall from me designing one of them, too. > His switch has a tiny little ROM (256 bytes or so) to configure the > forwarding chip. > > That 8-port 10Base-T switch, now known as the Intel InBusiness Switch, > sells for $250 at DataComm Warehouse: > > http://product.warehouse.com/SEARCH/bin/catproduct.DLL?product_id=168477 > > When it comes to "easy to implement" solutions, these things can't be > beat. Most of them have one control: the on/off switch. Actually in this market there are many inexpensive goodies out there nowadays, Intel's products being nearer the top of the price curve. Small switch prices seem to have been in free fall lately. 4-8 port multi-speed (auto-sensing, speed-matching, etc.) switches can be found for less than $200US. Ideal for home or office. ~:^) If it takes more than two hours to get the server configured and working, then it probably cost more in your time than one of these switches. Of course, you still have some config to do.... As for the other comment, that many switches are running software, this is no doubt true. At least one switch company's high end products are implemented with a whittled down version of FreeBSD! a To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Mon Nov 9 18:46:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29284 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:46:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from n4hhe.ampr.org (tnt3-59.HiWAAY.net [208.147.146.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA29264; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:46:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@n4hhe.ampr.org) Received: from n4hhe.ampr.org (localhost.ampr.org [127.0.0.1]) by n4hhe.ampr.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA06371; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 19:33:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dkelly@n4hhe.ampr.org) Message-Id: <199811100133.TAA06371@n4hhe.ampr.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG cc: Bruce Albrecht , freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: ISA EtherExpress Pro/100 supported? In-reply-to: Message from Wes Peters of "Sun, 08 Nov 1998 20:16:32 MST." <36465E90.597D9CF5@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 19:33:04 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wes Peters writes: > Bruce Albrecht wrote: > > > > Is this NIC supported by FreeBSD? If so, which driver. If not, does > > anyone have any suggestions as to which driver would be a good choice > > to use as a base? > > Yes, it is; it is probably the preferred ethernet driver for FreeBSD > these days. The driver name is fxp. Wait one second, the question was, *ISA* EtherExpress Pro/100. An animal with the potential to occupy 100% of the ISA system bandwidth. See "man 4 ex" for the manpage entry for the 10M bps ISA card. The *PCI* EtherExpress 10/100B is quite a nice card. And inexpensive. See "man 4 fxp". At less than $60 it would be much cheaper to simply buy a new PCI card rather than write a driver for a discontinued card. OTOH you might have fun and learn something adapting a driver for a new card. Not knowing what chip is on your card I'd guess you need to study both the fxp and ex drivers. The fxp probably resembles your chip the most, the ex will show you something about how to interface with ISA. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue Nov 10 05:16:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA21206 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 05:16:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA21200; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 05:16:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from gnipahellir.ifi.uio.no (2602@gnipahellir.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.86]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id OAA23707; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:16:16 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by gnipahellir.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:16:15 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Eivind Eklund Cc: Bruce Albrecht , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA EtherExpress Pro/100 supported? References: <13892.37693.738551.462846@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> <36465E90.597D9CF5@softweyr.com> <13894.26684.886269.935910@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> <19981109151458.50653@follo.net> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 10 Nov 1998 14:16:14 +0100 In-Reply-To: Eivind Eklund's message of "Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:14:58 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id FAA21202 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eivind Eklund writes: > On Sun, Nov 08, 1998 at 09:57:48PM -0600, Bruce Albrecht wrote: > > The fxp driver is located in sys/pci/if_fxp.c, which is why I asked > > this question. The card in question is ISA, not PCI, and I didn't see > > anything is sys/i386/isa that referenced the Intel 82557 chipset. If, > > as I suspect, the driver for the PCI card is incapable of driving the > > ISA card, I'm interested in pointers for modifying another ISA network > > driver to support this card, like "if_ZZZ.c is an archetypical ISA > > network driver, start with it, but look at the if_fxp driver too". To > > me, that sounds more like a topic for freebsd-net, not -questions. > Check the if_ie.c driver, which is a driver for an ISA Intel > Etherexpress. I don't know if it is for the _right_ ISA Intel > Etherexpress, though. No. The undocumented ex driver may have a chance of working, but the ie driver only supports some very old 10 Mbps EtherExpress cards. It would help if Bruce told us what chipset his adapter uses. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue Nov 10 13:22:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17058 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:22:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.gtn.com (mail.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17044 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:22:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id WAA20714 for freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:15:32 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA15262 for freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:49:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19981110214929.A15251@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:49:29 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: network monitor/visu tool that displays traffic between nodes ? Reply-To: andreas@FreeBSD.ORG, andreas.klemm.ak@bayer-ag.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi ! I'm looking for a network monitor that displays traffic between several nodes to easily see the "top 10" of speakers in a network I remember a network analyzer, but source code wasn't available and the binaries were only available for some platforms. Nodes were drawn around a circle and the traffic between nodes was shown by a line between the nodes and traffic was shown by thickness of line. If there isn't a network monitor, that does this kind of visualisation, is there a tool, that could show this traffic relationship between nodes based on collected statistics in an ASCII file ??? Would be interested in free and payware. OS: Windows NT or DEC ALPHA, Sun, FreeBSD, Linux ... Thanks for any pointer ! Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue Nov 10 13:49:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21199 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:49:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21182; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:49:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA249144474; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:47:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:47:53 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: andreas@FreeBSD.ORG, andreas.klemm.ak@bayer-ag.de Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: network monitor/visu tool that displays traffic between nodes ? In-Reply-To: <19981110214929.A15251@klemm.gtn.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, Andreas Klemm wrote: > I'm looking for a network monitor that displays traffic between > several nodes to easily see the "top 10" of speakers in a network /usr/ports/net/ntop > I remember a network analyzer, but source code wasn't available > and the binaries were only available for some platforms. > > Nodes were drawn around a circle and the traffic between nodes > was shown by a line between the nodes and traffic was shown by > thickness of line. NetXray has this functionality and runs in Windows NT (and is rather expensive might I add). > If there isn't a network monitor, that does this kind of visualisation, > is there a tool, that could show this traffic relationship between > nodes based on collected statistics in an ASCII file ??? ntop may be able to dump, not sure. also the commercial product lanstat which is on the freebsd.org webserver somewhere under 'commercial products' does similar (but more in depth) things like ntop. All 3 are good at what they do, and I use all 3 of them fairly regularly. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue Nov 10 14:25:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26250 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:25:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26051; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:23:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkb@shell6.ba.best.com) Received: (from jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) id OAA25516; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:23:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19981110142330.A25226@best.com> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:23:30 -0800 From: "Jan B. Koum " To: andreas@FreeBSD.ORG, andreas.klemm.ak@bayer-ag.de, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: network monitor/visu tool that displays traffic between nodes ? References: <19981110214929.A15251@klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19981110214929.A15251@klemm.gtn.com>; from Andreas Klemm on Tue, Nov 10, 1998 at 09:49:29PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Nov 10, 1998 at 09:49:29PM +0100, Andreas Klemm wrote: > Hi ! > > I'm looking for a network monitor that displays traffic between > several nodes to easily see the "top 10" of speakers in a network > > I remember a network analyzer, but source code wasn't available > and the binaries were only available for some platforms. > > Nodes were drawn around a circle and the traffic between nodes > was shown by a line between the nodes and traffic was shown by > thickness of line. > > If there isn't a network monitor, that does this kind of visualisation, > is there a tool, that could show this traffic relationship between > nodes based on collected statistics in an ASCII file ??? > > Would be interested in free and payware. > OS: Windows NT or DEC ALPHA, Sun, FreeBSD, Linux ... > > Thanks for any pointer ! > > Andreas /// > > -- > Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas > What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? > http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html > "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message Network Flight Recorder: www.nfr.net - comes with source and runs just fine under FreeBSD. Do read their license however. You can custom program it with N-Code to do whatever you want. -- Yan I don't have the password .... + Jan Koum But the path is chainlinked .. | Spelled Jan, pronounced Yan. There. So if you've got the time .... | Web: http://www.best.com/~jkb Set the tone to sync ......... + OS: http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue Nov 10 14:37:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27880 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:37:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27869; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:36:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from chronias.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.59.29]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA5FB6; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:36:33 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19981110214929.A15251@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:40:48 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: andreas@FreeBSD.ORG, andreas.klemm.ak@bayer-ag.de Subject: RE: network monitor/visu tool that displays traffic between node Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 10-Nov-98 Andreas Klemm wrote: > Hi ! guten tag herr Klemm... > I'm looking for a network monitor that displays traffic between > several nodes to easily see the "top 10" of speakers in a network Uhuh... > Nodes were drawn around a circle and the traffic between nodes > was shown by a line between the nodes and traffic was shown by > thickness of line. Dunno that one... > If there isn't a network monitor, that does this kind of visualisation, > is there a tool, that could show this traffic relationship between > nodes based on collected statistics in an ASCII file ??? > > Would be interested in free and payware. > OS: Windows NT or DEC ALPHA, Sun, FreeBSD, Linux ... Novell's LANalyzer DominoLAN and DominoWAN those are my recommendations =) --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl | Cum angelis et pueris, Junior Network/Security Specialist | fideles inveniamur *BSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue Nov 10 15:04:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01495 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:04:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rrz.Hanse.DE (rrz.Hanse.DE [193.174.9.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01474 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:04:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stb@hanse.de) Received: from daemon.Hanse.DE (daemon.Hanse.DE [193.174.9.17]) by rrz.Hanse.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA12099; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:03:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from stb@hanse.de) Received: from transit.hanse.de (transit.Hanse.DE [193.174.9.161]) by daemon.Hanse.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA12877; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:03:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from stb@hanse.de) Received: from localhost (stb@localhost) by transit.hanse.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA09542; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:03:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from stb@hanse.de) X-Authentication-Warning: transit.hanse.de: stb owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:03:29 +0100 (CET) From: Stefan Bethke To: a sun cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: multicast handling in FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199811102210.OAA11742@saul9.u.washington.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ for those on -net: Adrian is discussing the changes between 2.2 and 3.0 regarding adding or removing a link-layer multicast address. ] On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, a sun wrote: > i was wondering why you folks decided to change multicast handling in > the current FreeBSD. it's different from how you did it in the past, > and it's different from how everyone else (the other *BSDs, Linux, > SunOS, Solaris, etc.) does it. backwards compatibility, at the very > least, argues that you keep the old interface around. from the > application level, the new interface looks slightly more complicated > and somewhat arbitrary. I'm not quite sure why it was changed. Looking at the CVS logs, it seems it got into the source tree while merging Lite2. It seems multicast handling was improved in the kernel, and the change was deemed neccessary. Searching through the mailing list archives wasn't very telling, so I've Cc'ed freebsd-net. Maybe someone else can shed some light on this. Cheers, Stefan -- Stefan Bethke Muehlendamm 12 Phone: +49-40-256848, +49-177-3504009 D-22087 Hamburg Hamburg, Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue Nov 10 17:11:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16844 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:11:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16837 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:11:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA22828; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:11:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:11:20 -0500 (EST) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199811110111.UAA22828@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Stefan Bethke Cc: a sun , freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: multicast handling in FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: <199811102210.OAA11742@saul9.u.washington.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org < quoted some unnamed individual who said: >> i was wondering why you folks decided to change multicast handling in >> the current FreeBSD. Because the Old Way was never properly integrated with the ability in 4.4 to specify multiple network addresses on a single network interface -- this caused problems when (unicast) addresses were added and removed. >> least, argues that you keep the old interface around. from the >> application level, the new interface looks slightly more complicated >> and somewhat arbitrary. >From the application level there is absolutely no difference -- other than the requirement to actually construct a valid sockaddr. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue Nov 10 18:50:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26240 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:50:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (jason01.u.washington.edu [140.142.70.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA26235 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:50:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asun@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul9.u.washington.edu (asun@saul9.u.washington.edu [140.142.82.7]) by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id SAA42988; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:49:54 -0800 Received: (from asun@localhost) by saul9.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) id SAA31398; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:49:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:49:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199811110249.SAA31398@saul9.u.washington.edu> From: a sun To: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu CC: stb@hanse.de, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199811110111.UAA22828@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> (message from Garrett Wollman on Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:11:20 -0500 (EST)) Subject: Re: multicast handling in FreeBSD References: <199811102210.OAA11742@saul9.u.washington.edu> <199811110111.UAA22828@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> least, argues that you keep the old interface around. from the >> application level, the new interface looks slightly more complicated >> and somewhat arbitrary. From the application level there is absolutely no difference -- other than the requirement to actually construct a valid sockaddr. do you really intend everyone who uses a program that sets multicast addresses to recompile when they upgrade FreeBSD? that's what the change requires. actually, i'm a little confused on why you can't keep the same interface. can't you propagate the changes down to the actual interface? i guess i'm unfamiliar with how FreeBSD does it, but doing multicast stuff with aliased interfaces on linux, for example, seems to work without too much trouble. if you're not going to allow the old way of doing multicast assignments, i would at the very least like a feature #define that will allow me to test for it. i hope you realize that i'll have to do something silly like the following for FreeBSD: err = -1; #ifdef BSD_NEW_MULTICAST ifreq.ifr_addr = new_sa; err = ioctl(fd, SIOCADDMULTI, &ifreq); #endif /* looks like we compiled on a newer FreeBSD, but we're running * on an older one. */ if (err < 0) { ifreq.ifr_addr = old_sa; err = ioctl(fd, SIOCADDMULTI, &ifreq); } /* hmm. maybe we compiled on an older FreeBSD, but we're running on a newer one */ if (err < 0) { syslog(LOG_INFO, "sorry. you need to recompile."); } that's what i mean about "more complicated and somewhat arbitrary." -a To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue Nov 10 20:17:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA03136 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:17:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA03080; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:16:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA25812; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:09:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpdx25809; Wed Nov 11 04:09:15 1998 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:08:42 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai cc: andreas@FreeBSD.ORG, andreas.klemm.ak@bayer-ag.de, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: network monitor/visu tool that displays traffic between node In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > On 10-Nov-98 Andreas Klemm wrote: > > Hi ! > > guten tag herr Klemm... > > > I'm looking for a network monitor that displays traffic between > > several nodes to easily see the "top 10" of speakers in a network there is such an animal, I have run it.. I cannot remember if it's in the ports, but it was mentionned the lists once. julian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue Nov 10 22:49:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA08897 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:49:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from widefw.csl.sony.co.jp (widefw.csl.sony.co.jp [133.138.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA08479; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:46:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kjc@csl.sony.co.jp) Received: from hotaka.csl.sony.co.jp (root@hotaka.csl.sony.co.jp [43.27.98.57]) by widefw.csl.sony.co.jp (8.8.8/3.6W) with ESMTP id NAA03385; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:41:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (kjc@[127.0.0.1]) by hotaka.csl.sony.co.jp (8.8.8/3.6W/hotaka/98021914) with ESMTP id NAA21498; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:41:44 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199811110441.NAA21498@hotaka.csl.sony.co.jp> To: andreas@FreeBSD.ORG, andreas.klemm.ak@bayer-ag.de cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: network monitor/visu tool that displays traffic between nodes ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:49:29 +0100." <19981110214929.A15251@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:41:44 +0900 From: Kenjiro Cho Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andreas Klemm said: >> I'm looking for a network monitor that displays traffic between >> several nodes to easily see the "top 10" of speakers in a network TeleTrafficTapper(ports/net/ttt) is close to what you described except that it doesn't run on Windows. --kj To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Tue Nov 10 23:37:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA15338 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:37:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.gtn.com (mail.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA15328; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:37:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id IAA08963; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:30:13 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA10766; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:21:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19981111082151.A10495@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:21:51 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: Bill Fumerola , andreas@FreeBSD.ORG, andreas.klemm.ak@bayer-ag.de Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: network monitor/visu tool that displays traffic between nodes ? References: <19981110214929.A15251@klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Bill Fumerola on Tue, Nov 10, 1998 at 04:47:53PM -0500 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Nov 10, 1998 at 04:47:53PM -0500, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, Andreas Klemm wrote: > > NetXray has this functionality and runs in Windows NT (and is rather > expensive might I add). URL ? > ntop may be able to dump, not sure. also the commercial product lanstat > which is on the freebsd.org webserver somewhere under 'commercial > products' does similar (but more in depth) things like ntop. URL ? That would be nice. If you don't have an URL I'll look it up using a search engine ... -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed Nov 11 01:20:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA24195 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:20:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA24183 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 01:20:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from mail.siemens.de (salomon.siemens.de [139.23.33.13]) by david.siemens.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28184 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:20:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (daemon@curry.mchp.siemens.de [146.180.31.23]) by mail.siemens.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21432 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:20:16 +0100 (MET) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03667 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:20:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <19981111102014.A16009@internal> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:20:14 +0100 From: Andre Albsmeier To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav_?= , Eivind Eklund Cc: Bruce Albrecht , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA EtherExpress Pro/100 supported? References: <13892.37693.738551.462846@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> <36465E90.597D9CF5@softweyr.com> <13894.26684.886269.935910@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> <19981109151458.50653@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3Cxzpg1brzo0x=2Efsf=40gnipahellir=2Eifi=2Euio=2Eno=3E=3B?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_from_Dag-Erling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav__on_Tue=2C_Nov_10=2C_199?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?8_at_02:16:14PM_+0100?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Nov 10, 1998 at 02:16:14PM +0100, Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav wrote: > Eivind Eklund writes: > > On Sun, Nov 08, 1998 at 09:57:48PM -0600, Bruce Albrecht wrote: > > > The fxp driver is located in sys/pci/if_fxp.c, which is why I asked > > > this question. The card in question is ISA, not PCI, and I didn't see > > > anything is sys/i386/isa that referenced the Intel 82557 chipset. If, > > > as I suspect, the driver for the PCI card is incapable of driving the > > > ISA card, I'm interested in pointers for modifying another ISA network > > > driver to support this card, like "if_ZZZ.c is an archetypical ISA > > > network driver, start with it, but look at the if_fxp driver too". To > > > me, that sounds more like a topic for freebsd-net, not -questions. > > Check the if_ie.c driver, which is a driver for an ISA Intel > > Etherexpress. I don't know if it is for the _right_ ISA Intel > > Etherexpress, though. > > No. The undocumented ex driver may have a chance of working, but the > ie driver only supports some very old 10 Mbps EtherExpress cards. > > It would help if Bruce told us what chipset his adapter uses. I have an ISA EtherExpress PRO/100 Card here. On the bigger chip we find: ES9752ABC4 DP83800A VF 10/100 Mb ISA MAC on the smaller one it is: ES9752ID DP83840AVCE I think the second line is the important one. It also got a 25MHz oscillator and a (empty) ROM socket. It got three LEDs: 100, ACT and LNK. A while eago, I asked on the lists about support for it but the answer was no. -Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed Nov 11 06:40:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20752 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 06:40:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20655; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 06:39:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA002095044; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:37:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:37:24 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: Andreas Klemm Cc: andreas@FreeBSD.ORG, andreas.klemm.ak@bayer-ag.de, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: network monitor/visu tool that displays traffic between nodes ? In-Reply-To: <19981111082151.A10495@klemm.gtn.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 11 Nov 1998, Andreas Klemm wrote: > > NetXray has this functionality and runs in Windows NT (and is rather > > expensive might I add). > > URL ? http://networkassociates.com, I believe, or http://www.nai.com > > ntop may be able to dump, not sure. also the commercial product lanstat > > which is on the freebsd.org webserver somewhere under 'commercial > > products' does similar (but more in depth) things like ntop. > > URL ? (/usr/ports/net/ntop) and lanstat is on freefall somewhere. > That would be nice. If you don't have an URL I'll look it up > using a search engine ... Lanstat will come up on a search on freefall. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed Nov 11 06:43:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA21134 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 06:43:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from it.sivma.ru (sivmac.dialup.ru [194.87.17.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA21124 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 06:42:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from info@sivma.ru) Received: from valeric.sivma.ru (VALERY.SIVMA.RU [10.10.10.3]) by it.sivma.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA04315 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:43:38 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from info@sivma.ru) Message-ID: <027501be0d81$978b8cc0$030a0a0a@valeric.sivma.ru> From: "Sivma" To: Subject: Netware client for FreeBSD Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:43:00 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I use FreeBSD for communications and NetWare for file and print sharing. Where can I find netware client for FreeBSD? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed Nov 11 08:01:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA29827 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:01:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.la.tis.com (relay.la.tis.com [198.51.22.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA29818; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:00:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rogerk@tis.com) Received: by relay.la.tis.com; id HAA02268; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:02:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from scintillate.la.tis.com(192.5.49.8) by relay.la.tis.com via smap (4.1) id xma002264; Wed, 11 Nov 98 07:01:50 -0500 Received: from scintillate.la.tis.com (scintillate.la.tis.com [192.5.49.8]) by scintillate.la.tis.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA05872; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:57:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199811111557.HAA05872@scintillate.la.tis.com> X-Authentication-Warning: scintillate.la.tis.com: scintillate.la.tis.com [192.5.49.8] didn't use HELO protocol To: andreas@FreeBSD.ORG, andreas.klemm.ak@bayer-ag.de cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG, rogerk@tis.com Subject: Re: network monitor/visu tool that displays traffic between nodes ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Nov 98 21:49:29 +0100." <19981110214929.A15251@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 98 07:57:40 -0800 From: Roger Knobbe Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The tool you're describing is called etherman, from NDG software. Only runs on suns and SGI, IIRC. rog. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed Nov 11 08:02:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA00177 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:02:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fhut.fingerhut.com (fhut.fingerhut.com [204.221.45.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA00167; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:02:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Bruce.Albrecht@seag.fingerhut.com) Received: from gw002e0.seag.fingerhut.com (intmail [151.210.152.6]) by fhut.fingerhut.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25282; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:01:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from seag.fingerhut.com (GF007E0.SEAG.fingerhut.com [151.210.140.7]) by gw002e0.seag.fingerhut.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA26106; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:01:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from gf003e0.seag.fingerhut.com by seag.fingerhut.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA03563; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:01:37 -0600 Received: by gf003e0.seag.fingerhut.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA15199; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:01:36 -0600 From: Bruce Albrecht MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <13897.46303.882106.766904@fingerhut.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:01:35 -0600 (CST) To: Andre Albsmeier Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav_?= , Eivind Eklund , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA EtherExpress Pro/100 supported? In-Reply-To: <19981111102014.A16009@internal> References: <13892.37693.738551.462846@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> <36465E90.597D9CF5@softweyr.com> <13894.26684.886269.935910@zuhause.zuhause.mn.org> <19981109151458.50653@follo.net> <19981111102014.A16009@internal> X-Mailer: VM 6.62 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid reply-to: bruce@zuhause.mn.org Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andre Albsmeier writes: > I have an ISA EtherExpress PRO/100 Card here. On the bigger chip > we find: > > ES9752ABC4 > DP83800A VF > 10/100 Mb ISA MAC > > > on the smaller one it is: > > ES9752ID > DP83840AVCE > > > I think the second line is the important one. National Semiconductor has the DP83840 datasheet available on its web page, but I'm currently going through a lot of run-around to try to get the datasheet for the DP83800. Intel says they don't have an SIK for this board, and NS keeps telling me to get the datasheet for the DP83800 from their distributors, but the distributors I've talked to claim they don't have it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed Nov 11 08:41:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05547 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:41:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Homer.Web-Ex.com ([209.54.66.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05535 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:41:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@web-ex.com) Received: from localhost (jim@localhost) by Homer.Web-Ex.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02319; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:40:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jim@web-ex.com) X-Authentication-Warning: Homer.Web-Ex.com: jim owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:40:08 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Cassata To: Sivma cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netware client for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <027501be0d81$978b8cc0$030a0a0a@valeric.sivma.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am looking for the same thing. www.netcon.com has a client, but they sell it in bundles of 10 for $750. I only need one or two. I understand Caldera linux comes with a client (A friggin good idea if'n you want your OS integrated into corporate America) that maybe port-able. Jim Cassata 516.421.6000 jim@web-ex.com Web Express 20 Broadhollow Road Suite 3011 Melville, NY 11747 On Wed, 11 Nov 1998, Sivma wrote: > I use FreeBSD for communications and NetWare for file and print sharing. > Where can I find netware client for FreeBSD? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed Nov 11 09:02:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07671 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:02:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07564 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:01:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA25346; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:01:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:01:29 -0500 (EST) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199811111701.MAA25346@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: a sun Cc: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu, stb@hanse.de, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: multicast handling in FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199811110249.SAA31398@saul9.u.washington.edu> References: <199811102210.OAA11742@saul9.u.washington.edu> <199811110111.UAA22828@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <199811110249.SAA31398@saul9.u.washington.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org < said: > do you really intend everyone who uses a program that sets multicast > addresses to recompile when they upgrade FreeBSD? Sure -- both of them. Link-layer multicast handling should under almost no circumstances be left to applications. If there's a protocol stack that you're trying to work with which doesn't provide a proper abstraction layer, please say so. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed Nov 11 10:26:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16569 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:26:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dale.cisco.com (dale.cisco.com [171.69.63.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16553 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:26:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lorenzo@cisco.com) Received: from localhost (lorenzo@localhost) by dale.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.2-SunOS.5.5.1.sun4/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA14444 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:26:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199811111826.KAA14444@dale.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IPOPT_RA support Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:26:22 -0800 From: Lorenzo Vicisano Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I hope you don't mind putting up to-date a newcomer.. Is there any work going on router alert support? cheers, Lorenzo. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed Nov 11 10:58:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA19989 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:58:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from i.caniserv.com (i.caniserv.com [139.142.95.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA19979 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:58:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Darcy@ok-connect.com) Received: (qmail 1902 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1998 19:11:26 -0000 Received: from ccliii.caniserv.com (HELO dbitech) (darcyb@139.142.95.253) by 139.142.95.10 with SMTP; 11 Nov 1998 19:11:26 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19981111105711.02a3ed80@mail.ok-connect.com> X-Sender: darcyb@mail.ok-connect.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 10:57:11 -0800 To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG From: Darcy Buskermolen Subject: Re: Netware client for FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The linux product you are referring to is called "mars", I'm sure with a bit of work it could be ported to FreeBSD, or it may even run under Linux Emulation. I've used it in a linux environment with very good results. Another thing to consider it to use IntraNetware, which if my memory serves me right can provide functionality for unix based clients. At 11:40 AM 11/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >I am looking for the same thing. >www.netcon.com has a client, but they sell it in bundles of 10 for $750. I >only need one or two. I understand Caldera linux comes with a client (A >friggin good idea if'n you want your OS integrated into corporate America) >that maybe port-able. > > > >Jim Cassata > >516.421.6000 >jim@web-ex.com > >Web Express >20 Broadhollow Road >Suite 3011 >Melville, NY 11747 > >On Wed, 11 Nov 1998, Sivma wrote: > >> I use FreeBSD for communications and NetWare for file and print sharing. >> Where can I find netware client for FreeBSD? >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message >> > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed Nov 11 11:26:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23238 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:26:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23223 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 11:26:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA25938; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:26:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:26:21 -0500 (EST) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199811111926.OAA25938@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Lorenzo Vicisano Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IPOPT_RA support In-Reply-To: <199811111826.KAA14444@dale.cisco.com> References: <199811111826.KAA14444@dale.cisco.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org < said: > I hope you don't mind putting up to-date a newcomer.. > Is there any work going on router alert support? Well, there really isn't any support needed; since FreeBSD's routing functionality is always in software, the router alert option is simply a no-op for us. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed Nov 11 13:31:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05285 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:31:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.gtn.com (mail.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05243; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:31:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id WAA07003; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:30:04 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA02560; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:19:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19981111221902.A2553@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:19:02 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: Roger Knobbe , andreas@FreeBSD.ORG, andreas.klemm.ak@bayer-ag.de Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: network monitor/visu tool that displays traffic between nodes ? References: <19981110214929.A15251@klemm.gtn.com> <199811111557.HAA05872@scintillate.la.tis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199811111557.HAA05872@scintillate.la.tis.com>; from Roger Knobbe on Wed, Nov 11, 1998 at 07:57:40AM -0800 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Nov 11, 1998 at 07:57:40AM -0800, Roger Knobbe wrote: > The tool you're describing is called etherman, from NDG software. Only runs > on suns and SGI, IIRC. Right ! BTW, thanks for all the answers ... am currently evaluating the software. But now where you mention etherman ... is there a product with exactly this kind of traffic display available ? -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed Nov 11 13:58:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA07899 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:58:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.la.tis.com (relay.la.tis.com [198.51.22.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07893; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:58:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rogerk@tis.com) Received: by relay.la.tis.com; id NAA09377; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:00:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from scintillate.la.tis.com(192.5.49.8) by relay.la.tis.com via smap (4.1) id xma009362; Wed, 11 Nov 98 12:59:19 -0500 Received: from scintillate.la.tis.com (scintillate.la.tis.com [192.5.49.8]) by scintillate.la.tis.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA08678; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:55:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199811112155.NAA08678@scintillate.la.tis.com> X-Authentication-Warning: scintillate.la.tis.com: scintillate.la.tis.com [192.5.49.8] didn't use HELO protocol To: Andreas Klemm cc: Roger Knobbe , andreas@FreeBSD.ORG, andreas.klemm.ak@bayer-ag.de, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG, rogerk@tis.com Subject: Re: network monitor/visu tool that displays traffic between nodes ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Nov 98 22:19:02 +0100." <19981111221902.A2553@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 98 13:55:05 -0800 From: Roger Knobbe Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been wanting to write one, but never gotten around to the X-display part of it; being a text and command-line person myself. NDG has win95 and/or NT ports of etherman, called etherboy. Also has webboy and packetboy which do other useful things. The closest thing I've seen to the cool circular etherman traffic display is in the NT version of sniffer pro (disclaimer: I work for NAI, but not in sales; nor on that product). I haven't seen *circular* like it anywhere. Marcus Ranum's "Network Flight Recorder" comes pretty close with a grid-based display, but it's a much heavier weight package (acts as a web server which you connect to with netscape and browser the statistics). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed Nov 11 21:24:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26801 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:24:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lion.butya.kz (butya-gw.butya.kz [194.87.112.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA26611 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 21:24:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bp@butya.kz) Received: from localhost (bp@localhost) by lion.butya.kz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA04286; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:15:36 +0600 (ALMT) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:15:36 +0600 (ALMT) From: Boris Popov To: Darcy Buskermolen cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netware client for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19981111105711.02a3ed80@mail.ok-connect.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 11 Nov 1998, Darcy Buskermolen wrote: > The linux product you are referring to is called "mars", I'm sure with a Wrong, Mars_nwe is a netware server emulator, but not a client. > bit of work it could be ported to FreeBSD, or it may even run under Linux > Emulation. I've used it in a linux environment with very good results. It's already has been done, and port located at ftp://ftp.butya.kz/pub/mars_nwe/ > >> I use FreeBSD for communications and NetWare for file and print sharing. > >> Where can I find netware client for FreeBSD? Now I have a netware client for FreeBSD, but it in very pre-alfa state, when I'll have some more free time I try to done this work. -- Boris Popov To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Wed Nov 11 23:23:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA06430 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:23:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ren.dtir.qld.gov.au (ns.dtir.qld.gov.au [203.108.138.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA06425 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 23:23:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from syssgm@dtir.qld.gov.au) Received: by ren.dtir.qld.gov.au; id RAA12851; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:22:23 +1000 (EST) Received: from ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au(167.123.8.3) by ren.dtir.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma012849; Thu, 12 Nov 98 17:22:15 +1000 Received: from atlas.dtir.qld.gov.au (atlas.dtir.qld.gov.au [167.123.8.9]) by ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA15119; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:22:15 +1000 (EST) Received: from nymph.dtir.qld.gov.au (nymph.dtir.qld.gov.au [167.123.10.10]) by atlas.dtir.qld.gov.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA03368; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:22:14 +1000 (EST) Received: from nymph.dtir.qld.gov.au (localhost.dtir.qld.gov.au [127.0.0.1]) by nymph.dtir.qld.gov.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA24303; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:22:13 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from syssgm@nymph.dtir.qld.gov.au) Message-Id: <199811120722.RAA24303@nymph.dtir.qld.gov.au> To: Bill Fumerola cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG, syssgm@dtir.qld.gov.au Subject: Re: network monitor/visu tool that displays traffic between nodes ? References: In-Reply-To: from Bill Fumerola at "Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:47:53 -0500" Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:22:12 +1000 From: Stephen McKay Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 10th November 1998, Bill Fumerola wrote: >On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, Andreas Klemm wrote: > >> I'm looking for a network monitor that displays traffic between >> several nodes to easily see the "top 10" of speakers in a network >also the commercial product lanstat >which is on the freebsd.org webserver somewhere under 'commercial >products' does similar (but more in depth) things like ntop. The guys that did lanstat have powered on and built a complete competitor to HP OpenView and Sun's network thingy (whatever it's called). Have a look at http://www.statscout.com and see what you think. There's an online demo version to play with. It's not entirely obvious how it works at first glance, but it grows on you over time. And it runs *only* on FreeBSD. The "top 10" part of it is under "Lan Statistics". Obligatory disclaimer: These guys are friends of mine, but I'm not directly involved in this venture. Stephen. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu Nov 12 06:48:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA13492 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 06:48:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA13480 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 06:48:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA207222024; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:47:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:47:04 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: Boris Popov Cc: Darcy Buskermolen , freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netware client for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 12 Nov 1998, Boris Popov wrote: > > bit of work it could be ported to FreeBSD, or it may even run under Linux > > Emulation. I've used it in a linux environment with very good results. > It's already has been done, and port located at > ftp://ftp.butya.kz/pub/mars_nwe/ Is this a FreeBSD style port or just a tarball? - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu Nov 12 07:35:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA18278 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 07:35:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dale.cisco.com (dale.cisco.com [171.69.63.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA18273 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 07:35:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lorenzo@cisco.com) Received: from localhost (lorenzo@localhost) by dale.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.2-SunOS.5.5.1.sun4/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA15668; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 07:34:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199811121534.HAA15668@dale.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Garrett Wollman cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPOPT_RA support In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:26:21 EST." <199811111926.OAA25938@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 07:34:18 -0800 From: Lorenzo Vicisano Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Garret, > > Is there any work going on router alert support? > > Well, there really isn't any support needed; since FreeBSD's routing > functionality is always in software, the router alert option is simply > a no-op for us. say you act as a router, what do you think is the good way of: - intercepting some packet in the fast path that are not directed to you (but marked by the sender with IPOPT_RA), choosing them on the basis of some attribute (es. a specific ip_proto). cheers, Lorenzo. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu Nov 12 09:17:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA29327 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:17:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from seg.fault.net (seg.fault.net [207.96.19.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA29319 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:17:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from awood@fault.net) Received: from localhost (awood@localhost) by seg.fault.net (8.9.1/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA02055 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:17:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from awood@fault.net) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:17:30 -0500 (EST) From: austin wood To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: NATD Problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I spent a long time setting up my freebsd box so it dials to my ISP with kernel ppp and it acts as a gateway. For packet aliasing, I use natd. I am very happy with the setup, except I think that natd is blocking some tcp packets. This results in a connection timeouts on particular site. If this is not fixable, I will go to ppp -alias instead. Here is an example of what happens when I try to connect. # natd -interface ppp0 -v Out [UDP] 10.1.1.3 -> 207.172.3.16 aliased to 207.96.19.192 -> 207.172.3.16 In [UDP] 207.172.3.16 -> 207.96.19.192 aliased to 207.172.3.16 -> 10.1.1.3 Out [TCP] 10.1.1.3:1103 -> 198.138.176.19:80 aliased to 207.96.19.192:1103 -> 198.138.176.19:80 In [TCP] 198.138.176.19:80 -> 207.96.19.192:1103 aliased to 198.138.176.19:80 -> 10.1.1.3:1103 Out [TCP] 10.1.1.3:1103 -> 198.138.176.19:80 aliased to 207.96.19.192:1103 -> 198.138.176.19:80 Out [TCP] 10.1.1.3:1103 -> 198.138.176.19:80 aliased to 207.96.19.192:1103 -> 198.138.176.19:80 Out [TCP] 10.1.1.3:1103 -> 198.138.176.19:80 aliased to 207.96.19.192:1103 -> 198.138.176.19:80 In [TCP] 198.138.176.19:80 -> 207.96.19.192:1103 aliased to 198.138.176.19:80 -> 10.1.1.3:1103 I think it's not forwarding that last packet because netscape remains in the "Waiting for reply..." state. Here is a list of sites to which a connection cannot be established. http://www.collegeboard.org/ http://www.hotmail.com/ http://www.idsoftware.com/ http://www.futurestep.com/ My configuration files: /etc/rc.conf: tcp_extensions="NO" firewall_enable="YES" firewall_type="open" network_interfaces="ep0 lo0 ppp0" ifconfig_lo0="inet 127.0.0.1" ifconfig_ep0="inet 10.1.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 link2" ifconfig_ppp0= gateway_enable="YES" /etc/rc.firewall: if [ "${firewall_type}" = "open" -o "${firewall_type}" = "OPEN" ]; then $fwcmd -f flush $fwcmd add divert natd all from any to any via ppp0 $fwcmd add pass all from any to any /etc/services: natd 6668/divert kernel: options IPFIREWALL options IPDIVERT I think that's all the configuration files needed. I use "natd -interface ppp0" to start it. Thanks in Advance, Austin Wood To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu Nov 12 09:46:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01894 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:46:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from absinthe.shenton.org (Absinthe.Shenton.Org [209.31.147.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01831; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:45:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@shenton.org) Received: (from chris@localhost) by absinthe.shenton.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA22804; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:29:48 -0500 (EST) To: andreas@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: andreas.klemm.ak@bayer-ag.de, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: network monitor/visu tool that displays traffic between nodes ? References: <19981110214929.A15251@klemm.gtn.com> X-Emacs: Emacs 20.3, MULE 4.0 (HANANOEN) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.8.5 - "Nishi-Takaoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Chris Shenton Date: 12 Nov 1998 12:29:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: Andreas Klemm's message of "Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:49:29 +0100" Message-ID: <87iugkzuno.fsf@absinthe.shenton.org> Lines: 5 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've found "sniffit" to be very helpful, and it will let you snoop on sessions so you can see what all those whining users are *really* so busy doing :-) It's got a curses interface. I think I found it in 3.0 ports. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu Nov 12 15:48:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13237 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:48:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13232; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:48:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id PAA07432; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:47:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id PAA10470; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:47:56 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id QAA06274; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:47:55 -0700 Message-ID: <364B73AA.A4E6A445@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:47:54 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jack CC: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mgetty AutoPPP not working. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org jack wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Nov 1998, Wes Peters wrote: > > > I'm trying to setup a ppp dialin using mgetty. I've configured AutoPPP > > This is running on a vanilla 2.2.6-RELEASE system. Should I upgrade the > > system, > > That shouldn't be a problem, I've got two 2.2.6 boxes that have > been running it for nearly 5 months, this boot. 85 lusers > currently logged in with PAP. > > > or can someone clue me into what I've done wrong? > > Did you compile with -DAUTO_PPP ? I'm not sure if that is done > by default in the port or not, I did some modifications and > didn't use the port IIRC. That was it! I installed the package version, which was not compiled with -DAUTO_PPP. Thanks for the tip. Our dialup server was running Linux until last week, when it ate it's disk drive. We got a new IBM DCAS 4.3G UW SCSI a couple of days ago, and the resident Linuxhead is gone, so I'm FreeBSDing the system. He'll be amused when he gets back. ;^) We're also planning on sticking a 16-port serial board into this beast to talk to the serial consoles on some of our lab equipment. Do you have any suggestions for good, high-density serial boards? We'd like one that allows us to use RJ-45 connectors on a rackmount panel, if possible. Thanks again for the help, Jack. As usual, the FreeBSD support line comes through in record time! -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters +1.801.915.2061 Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu Nov 12 17:47:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00181 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:47:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lion.butya.kz (butya-gw.butya.kz [194.87.112.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00166 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:47:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bp@butya.kz) Received: from localhost (bp@localhost) by lion.butya.kz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA12184; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 07:47:32 +0600 (ALMT) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 07:47:32 +0600 (ALMT) From: Boris Popov To: Bill Fumerola cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netware client for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 12 Nov 1998, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > > bit of work it could be ported to FreeBSD, or it may even run under Linux > > > Emulation. I've used it in a linux environment with very good results. > > It's already has been done, and port located at > > ftp://ftp.butya.kz/pub/mars_nwe/ > > Is this a FreeBSD style port or just a tarball? Yes, it is a "FreeBSD style port", it has been checked under 2.2.6, 2.2.7 and 3.0 versions of FreeBSD. -- Boris Popov To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Thu Nov 12 18:17:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04070 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:17:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.cifnet.com (shell.cifnet.com [207.152.95.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04061 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:17:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anton@shell.cifnet.com) Received: from shell.cifnet.com (dt036nbd.san.rr.com [24.94.7.189]) by shell.cifnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA09660 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:16:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anton@shell.cifnet.com) Message-ID: <364AFC87.EDBD9AE@shell.cifnet.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:19:35 +0000 From: anton <anton@shell.cifnet.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: natd.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hello Has anyone succeeded in getting Diablo to work on a Windows95 machine *thru* NATD running under FreeBSD? I've thought about the -redirect_port option, except I don't know what port that Diablo is running on, and it would mean that only one computer inside the network (if I'm reading the man page correct, of course) would have the capability to run it at a time... Thoughts and suggestions? Thanks... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri Nov 13 01:35:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14019 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 01:35:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA14013 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 01:35:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA08008; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:34:39 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id KAA08303; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:34:38 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19981113103438.29555@follo.net> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:34:38 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: anton <anton@shell.cifnet.com>, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: natd.... References: <364AFC87.EDBD9AE@shell.cifnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <364AFC87.EDBD9AE@shell.cifnet.com>; from anton on Thu, Nov 12, 1998 at 03:19:35PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 12, 1998 at 03:19:35PM +0000, anton wrote: > hello > Has anyone succeeded in getting Diablo to work on a Windows95 > machine *thru* NATD running under FreeBSD? > > > > I've thought about the -redirect_port option, except I don't > know > what port that Diablo is running on, and it would mean that only one > computer inside the network (if I'm reading the man page correct, of > course) would have the capability to run it at a time... > > Thoughts and suggestions? If Diablo encode port/IP-address information in its requests: Add an inline proxy to libalias, just like was done for FTP, IRC, etc. That's really your only option. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri Nov 13 03:18:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA22431 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 03:18:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from enterprise.synchroline.ru (enterprise.sl.ru [195.16.101.4] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA22422; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 03:18:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tarkhil@synchroline.ru) Received: from enterprise.synchroline.ru (tarkhil@localhost.synchroline.ru [127.0.0.1]) by enterprise.synchroline.ru (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29400; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:19:51 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from tarkhil@enterprise.synchroline.ru) Message-Id: <199811131119.OAA29400@enterprise.synchroline.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG cc: net@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: tarkhil@synchroline.ru Subject: opt_bdg.h and opt_ipdn.h X-URL: http://freebsd.svib.ru Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:19:48 +0300 From: "Alexander B. Povolotsky" Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! I'm trying to set up DUMMYNET, but I can't find thesefiles neither in patch nor in -current tree. Where can I get them? Alex. -- Alexander B. Povolotsky, System Administrator To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri Nov 13 04:32:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA29793 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 04:32:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sierrahill.com (sierrahill.com [216.30.23.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA29783; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 04:32:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rjoe@sierrahill.com) Received: (from rjoe@localhost) by sierrahill.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA19875; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:33:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjoe) From: Joe Schwartz Message-Id: <199811131233.GAA19875@sierrahill.com> Subject: virtual hosting & sendmail To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:33:39 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks, I'm beginning to host a few domains and am looking for a technique which will provide a mechanism for e-mail delivery to the same e-mail recipient name at seperate domains which gets delivered to seperate individuals, all on the same machine. (wish I could have said that better) example: info@domain1.com info@domain2.com info@domain3.com I'm looking at sendmail's virtual hosting tutorial and am getting complaints from 'makemap' when I tried to make the 'virtusertable'. I'm running FreeBSD-2.2.5. Is this the right direction to pursue or is there a prefered technique I should work on? Thanks, Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri Nov 13 05:11:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03388 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 05:11:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roma.coe.ufrj.br (roma.coe.ufrj.br [146.164.53.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA03383 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 05:10:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@jonny.eng.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by roma.coe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01884; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:58:35 -0200 (EDT) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199811131258.KAA01884@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: Netware client for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: from Boris Popov at "Nov 13, 98 07:47:32 am" To: bp@butya.kz (Boris Popov) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:58:35 -0200 (EDT) Cc: billf@chc-chimes.com, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org #define quoting(Boris Popov) // On Thu, 12 Nov 1998, Bill Fumerola wrote: // // > > > bit of work it could be ported to FreeBSD, or it may even run under Linux // > > > Emulation. I've used it in a linux environment with very good results. // > > It's already has been done, and port located at // > > ftp://ftp.butya.kz/pub/mars_nwe/ // > // > Is this a FreeBSD style port or just a tarball? // Yes, it is a "FreeBSD style port", it has been checked under // 2.2.6, 2.2.7 and 3.0 versions of FreeBSD. Why hasn't it been commited to the ports tree ? Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis M.Sc. Student jonny@jonny.eng.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro "This .sig is not meant to be politically correct." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri Nov 13 05:23:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04797 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 05:23:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vidar.erilab.com (mpk104.erilab.com [208.224.156.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04792; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 05:23:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rainer.Enders@erilab.com) Received: from erilab.com (willow.erilab.com [192.168.174.2]) by vidar.erilab.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA23240; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 05:22:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <364C32D4.A4E41033@erilab.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 05:23:32 -0800 From: Rainer Enders Organization: Ericsson Cyberlab West X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Schwartz CC: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: virtual hosting & sendmail References: <199811131233.GAA19875@sierrahill.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------9F2161903F080413E750F52E" Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9F2161903F080413E750F52E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe Schwartz wrote: > Folks, > > I'm beginning to host a few domains and am looking for a technique > which will provide a mechanism for e-mail delivery to the same e-mail > recipient name at seperate domains which gets delivered to seperate > individuals, all on the same machine. (wish I could have said that > better) > > example: > > info@domain1.com > info@domain2.com > info@domain3.com > > I'm looking at sendmail's virtual hosting tutorial and am getting > complaints from 'makemap' when I tried to make the 'virtusertable'. What are the "complaints"? Are you using 'makemap hash ...'? > > > I'm running FreeBSD-2.2.5. > > Is this the right direction to pursue or is there a prefered technique > I should work on? If you use sendmail that's probably the easiest route to take. > > > Thanks, > > Joe > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message Rainer. --------------9F2161903F080413E750F52E Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Rainer Enders Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Rainer Enders n: Enders;Rainer org: Ericsson Inc. adr: 1555 Adams Drive;;;Menlo Park;CA;94025;U.S.A. email;internet: Rainer.Enders@erilab.com title: Senior Systems Engineer tel;work: (650) 853-4303 tel;fax: (650) 853-4333 tel;home: (510) 409-1365 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------9F2161903F080413E750F52E-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri Nov 13 06:24:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12011 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:24:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from carp.gbr.epa.gov (carp.gbr.epa.gov [204.46.159.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA11996; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:24:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjenkins@carp.gbr.epa.gov) Received: (from mjenkins@localhost) by carp.gbr.epa.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09120; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:24:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mjenkins) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:24:21 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Jenkins Message-Id: <199811131424.IAA09120@carp.gbr.epa.gov> To: jack@germanium.xtalwind.net, wes@softweyr.com Subject: Re: mgetty AutoPPP not working. Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <364B73AA.A4E6A445@softweyr.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 Wes Peters wrote: > jack wrote: > > > > On Thu, 12 Nov 1998, Wes Peters wrote: > > > > > I'm trying to setup a ppp dialin using mgetty. I've configured AutoPPP > > > This is running on a vanilla 2.2.6-RELEASE system. Should I upgrade the > > > system, > > > > That shouldn't be a problem, I've got two 2.2.6 boxes that have > > been running it for nearly 5 months, this boot. 85 lusers > > currently logged in with PAP. > > > > > or can someone clue me into what I've done wrong? > > > > Did you compile with -DAUTO_PPP ? I'm not sure if that is done > > by default in the port or not, I did some modifications and > > didn't use the port IIRC. > > That was it! I installed the package version, which was not compiled with > -DAUTO_PPP. Thanks for the tip. Did you know the regular getty will be happy to automatically start pppd for you also? Just add the :pp=/your/favorite/ppp: entry to a gettytab entry: # /etc/gettytab ppp.115200|115200-ppp:\ :np:sp#115200:\ :pp=/usr/sbin/pppd: # /etc/ttys ttyd1 "/usr/libexec/getty ppp.115200" dialup on insecure Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri Nov 13 07:21:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA18693 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 07:21:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA18457 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 07:20:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA120249807; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:10:07 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:10:07 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Cc: Boris Popov , freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netware client for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199811131258.KAA01884@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > // > > ftp://ftp.butya.kz/pub/mars_nwe/ > // > > // > Is this a FreeBSD style port or just a tarball? > // Yes, it is a "FreeBSD style port", it has been checked under > // 2.2.6, 2.2.7 and 3.0 versions of FreeBSD. > > Why hasn't it been commited to the ports tree ? Because no-one has sent in a PR for it, and previous to this thread, no-one knew about it, probably. :> - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri Nov 13 08:25:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA26847 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:25:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roma.coe.ufrj.br (roma.coe.ufrj.br [146.164.53.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA26833 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:25:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@jonny.eng.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by roma.coe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13260; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:20:00 -0200 (EDT) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199811131620.OAA13260@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: Netware client for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: from Bill Fumerola at "Nov 13, 98 10:10:07 am" To: billf@chc-chimes.com (Bill Fumerola) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:20:00 -0200 (EDT) Cc: jonny@jonny.eng.br, bp@butya.kz, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org #define quoting(Bill Fumerola) // On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: // // > // > > ftp://ftp.butya.kz/pub/mars_nwe/ // > // > // > // > Is this a FreeBSD style port or just a tarball? // > // Yes, it is a "FreeBSD style port", it has been checked under // > // 2.2.6, 2.2.7 and 3.0 versions of FreeBSD. // > // > Why hasn't it been commited to the ports tree ? // // Because no-one has sent in a PR for it, and previous to this thread, // no-one knew about it, probably. :> Probably. :) Will you try ? Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis M.Sc. Student jonny@jonny.eng.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro "This .sig is not meant to be politically correct." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri Nov 13 08:30:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27892 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:30:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.seidata.com (ns1.seidata.com [208.10.211.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA27885; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:30:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@seidata.com) From: mike@seidata.com Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by ns1.seidata.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19423; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:30:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:30:27 -0500 (EST) To: Joe Schwartz cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: virtual hosting & sendmail In-Reply-To: <199811131233.GAA19875@sierrahill.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Joe Schwartz wrote: > info@domain3.com /etc/usmasq to 'masq' virtual domain names over yours (i.e. if my email is me@yourdomain.com, use an entry in /etc/usmasq to make my address me@mydomain.com). /etc/virtusertable to direct 'virtual user' mail to a designated account (i.e. info@mydomain.com really goes to me@yourdomain.com). > I'm looking at sendmail's virtual hosting tutorial and am getting > complaints from 'makemap' when I tried to make the 'virtusertable'. Does a 'grep virt /etc/sendmail.cf' turn up the following: Kvirtuser hash /etc/virtusertable R$+ < @ $=w . > $: < $(virtuser $1 @ $2 $@ $1 $: @ $) > $1 < @ $2 . > R< @ > $+ < @ $+ . > $: < $(virtuser @ $2 $@ $1 $: @ $) > $1 < @ $2 . > Also, did you do a 'makemap hash' on virtusertable? I have a script in /etc called makemasq that creates the *.db files for me: #!/bin/sh makemap hash /etc/usmasq < /etc/usmasq makemap hash /etc/virtusertable < /etc/virtusertable #makemap hash /etc/domaintable < /etc/domaintable > Is this the right direction to pursue or is there a prefered technique > I should work on? It should work - it does for ~200 domains here. Also, add the proper entries to sendmail.cw (i.e. add an entry for each domain you host, such as 'mydomain.com'). Later, -mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri Nov 13 08:38:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA29260 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:38:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA28990 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:38:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA146634286; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:24:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:24:45 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Cc: bp@butya.kz, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netware client for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199811131620.OAA13260@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > // Because no-one has sent in a PR for it, and previous to this thread, > // no-one knew about it, probably. :> > > Probably. :) > > Will you try ? Ugh. I will try and get around to it, after I finish with the other bazillion PRs already opened. :> - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri Nov 13 11:05:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16195 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:05:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16161; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:05:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id LAA13882; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:04:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id LAA04298; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:04:56 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id MAA13931; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:04:55 -0700 Message-ID: <364C82D7.DE14AB5C@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:04:55 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Jenkins CC: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mgetty AutoPPP not working. References: <199811131424.IAA09120@carp.gbr.epa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Jenkins wrote: > > Did you know the regular getty will be happy to automatically start > pppd for you also? Just add the :pp=/your/favorite/ppp: entry to > a gettytab entry: > > # /etc/gettytab > ppp.115200|115200-ppp:\ > :np:sp#115200:\ > :pp=/usr/sbin/pppd: > > # /etc/ttys > ttyd1 "/usr/libexec/getty ppp.115200" dialup on insecure Yes, but we want to do some cute caller-id tricks to reserve one of the lines for the user who ponied up the dialin host (and me, of course). I'll try the pp= entry on my machine so I can add it to my bag of tricks, but mgetty is working great now. If I could just find the punch-down tool, I'd have three lines up and running. ;^) -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters +1.801.915.2061 Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri Nov 13 11:27:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18531 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:27:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Homer.Web-Ex.com ([209.54.66.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18523 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:27:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@web-ex.com) Received: from localhost (jim@localhost) by Homer.Web-Ex.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05814 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:26:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jim@web-ex.com) X-Authentication-Warning: Homer.Web-Ex.com: jim owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:26:18 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Cassata To: FreeBSD Net Subject: Re: Netware client for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > > > // Because no-one has sent in a PR for it, and previous to this thread, > > // no-one knew about it, probably. :> > > > > Probably. :) > > > > Will you try ? > > Ugh. I will try and get around to it, after I finish with the other > bazillion PRs already opened. :> > Ok Bill, that sounds good, but I would like to say this to all list members: This is extremely important for all of us FreeBSD proponents out there! Caldera has the right idea, because it is their bundling of Netware services with their Linux distribution that incents MIS people to introduce a new OS into their environment. Just about all of our customers are Netware environments, and it is precisely this lack of a Netware client or integration into NDS that usually halts any FreeBSD box from being introduced. Just look at what is happening in our industyr right now. Sun is integrating NT services into it's OS, Novell will run its NDS on Novell or NT, .... etc etc. Integration into heterogeneous environments is critical to any OS being adopted, and I am surprised by the fact that only Caldera (and obviously UNIXWare) are doing the Novell thing. Jim Cassata 516.421.6000 jim@web-ex.com Web Express 20 Broadhollow Road Suite 3011 Melville, NY 11747 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri Nov 13 14:19:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10785 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:19:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10780 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:19:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA18346; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:20:07 -0800 (PST) To: Jim Cassata cc: FreeBSD Net Subject: Re: Netware client for FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:26:18 EST." Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:20:06 -0800 Message-ID: <18342.910995606@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > This is extremely important for all of us FreeBSD proponents out there! > Caldera has the right idea, because it is their bundling of Netware > services with their Linux distribution that incents MIS people to They can do this because they have an agreement with Novell to do so. > introduce a new OS into their environment. Just about all of our > customers are Netware environments, and it is precisely this lack of a > Netware client or integration into NDS that usually halts any FreeBSD box > from being introduced. Just look at what is happening in our industyr That's just silly. The netcon product has been out for *3 years* now and delivers more than adequate Netware client, server and IPX gateway functionality at a reasonable price. It has been on our commercial software pages and in the commerce distribution since almost day one as well so nobody can say we didn't publicise it as an option. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri Nov 13 18:15:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05307 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:15:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lion.butya.kz (butya-gw.butya.kz [194.87.112.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05302 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:15:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bp@butya.kz) Received: from localhost (bp@localhost) by lion.butya.kz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA28292; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:14:30 +0600 (ALMT) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:14:29 +0600 (ALMT) From: Boris Popov To: Bill Fumerola cc: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis , freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netware client for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > > > // Because no-one has sent in a PR for it, and previous to this thread, > > // no-one knew about it, probably. :> > > > > Probably. :) > > > > Will you try ? > > Ugh. I will try and get around to it, after I finish with the other > bazillion PRs already opened. :> It will be nice, thanks. The archive fbsd-0.99.pl12.tgz should conform to port requirements, if not, please contact me. -- Boris Popov To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Fri Nov 13 18:28:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA06352 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:28:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lion.butya.kz (butya-gw.butya.kz [194.87.112.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06347 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:28:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bp@butya.kz) Received: from localhost (bp@localhost) by lion.butya.kz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA28593; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:27:11 +0600 (ALMT) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 08:27:11 +0600 (ALMT) From: Boris Popov To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Jim Cassata , FreeBSD Net Subject: Re: Netware client for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <18342.910995606@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 13 Nov 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > This is extremely important for all of us FreeBSD proponents out there! > > Caldera has the right idea, because it is their bundling of Netware > > services with their Linux distribution that incents MIS people to > > They can do this because they have an agreement with Novell to do so. But Mars_nwe was written by Martin Stover from scratch. > > > introduce a new OS into their environment. Just about all of our > > customers are Netware environments, and it is precisely this lack of a > > Netware client or integration into NDS that usually halts any FreeBSD box > > from being introduced. Just look at what is happening in our industyr > > That's just silly. The netcon product has been out for *3 years* now > and delivers more than adequate Netware client, server and IPX gateway > functionality at a reasonable price. It has been on our commercial > software pages and in the commerce distribution since almost day one as > well so nobody can say we didn't publicise it as an option. Yes, price is reasonable, but some peoples and organizations still can't by it. In addition, netcon product does not support (at least for now) FreeBSD 3.0 and miss some functions in server implementation. In general, FreeBSD need some improvements to IPX stack and routing daemon (I wrote about that to Jhon Hay). -- Boris Popov To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-net Sat Nov 14 11:22:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08555 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 11:22:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Homer.Web-Ex.com ([209.54.66.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08549 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 11:22:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@web-ex.com) Received: from localhost (jim@localhost) by Homer.Web-Ex.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10945 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 14:21:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jim@web-ex.com) X-Authentication-Warning: Homer.Web-Ex.com: jim owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 14:21:47 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Cassata To: FreeBSD Net Subject: Re: Netware client for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 14 Nov 1998, Boris Popov wrote: > > That's just silly. The netcon product has been out for *3 years* now > > and delivers more than adequate Netware client, server and IPX gateway > > functionality at a reasonable price. It has been on our commercial > > software pages and in the commerce distribution since almost day one as > > well so nobody can say we didn't publicise it as an option. > > Yes, price is reasonable, but some peoples and organizations > still can't by it. In addition, netcon product does not support (at least > for now) FreeBSD 3.0 and miss some functions in server implementation. > In general, FreeBSD need some improvements to IPX stack and > routing daemon (I wrote about that to Jhon Hay). > > -- > Boris Popov I agree that the price for the Netcon product is reasonable, but you must start with 10 licenses at $75 each. I get stopped at this hurdle everytime an MIS guy is showing interest at deploying some FreeBSD and wants to try a machine for a while. (a while usually exceeds 30 day free trial) I have spoken to the Netcon people about selling in smaller quantities but they are not interested. Jim Cassata 516.421.6000 jim@web-ex.com Web Express 20 Broadhollow Road Suite 3011 Melville, NY 11747 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message