From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 7 09:11:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21706 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 09:11:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21585; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 09:10:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11068; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:18:53 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199806071518.QAA11068@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: "Ian O'Friel" cc: "FreeBSD Questions" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PPP Still doesn't work, I've included as much info as possible.... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 30 May 1998 21:06:11 BST." <002001bd8c06$99cbbac0$f7e107c3@metallica> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 16:18:52 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Better late than never..... > Hey Peeps, Who thinks they can help ?? [.....] > May 30 20:17:41 freedom ppp[163]: tun0: Error: OpenModem failed: /dev/cuaa2: > Device not Configured. The /dev/cuaa2 bit of your default section should be changed to /dev/cuaa0. > net: > set phone 08450798130 > set login "TIMEOUT 5 ogin:--ogin: ian.ofriel word: wendy" > set timeout 300 > alias enable yes > set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 > delete ALL > add 00 10.0.0.2 You need to indent the non-label lines as described in the man page and shown in the sample files. ``net'' is being treated as a label with no instructions. -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 8 13:12:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25026 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:12:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fccjmail.fccj.cc.fl.us (mooni.fccj.cc.fl.us [207.203.47.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24648 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:11:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djstringjx@csi.com) Received: from csi.com ([207.203.60.194]) by fccjmail.fccj.cc.fl.us (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13500 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <357C4537.1C28EAA4@csi.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:10:31 -0400 From: Daniel Stringfield X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Version? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How do I tell what version FreeBSD I have? ALso, how do you tell what version a particular program is.. in particular, BIND. I inherited admin of a FreeBSD machine, and haven't had any experience with admin of a BSD based machine before. -- Daniel Stringfield To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 8 14:51:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16280 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:51:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16211 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:51:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA11351; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 07:50:54 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980609075043.32682@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 07:50:44 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Daniel Stringfield Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Version? References: <357C4537.1C28EAA4@csi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <357C4537.1C28EAA4@csi.com>; from Daniel Stringfield on Mon, Jun 08, 1998 at 04:10:31PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 08, 1998 at 04:10:31PM -0400, Daniel Stringfield wrote: > How do I tell what version FreeBSD I have? ALso, how do you tell what > version a particular program is.. in particular, BIND. Try 'uname -a' to get the FreeBSD version. Also 'dmesg' to find out what the machine sees at startup. Bind is a mystery to me, and I like it that way :-) but we don't usually answer questions here, just point people to resources and discuss the ways that newbies use them. See http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies for more info. > I inherited admin of a FreeBSD machine, and haven't had any experience > with admin of a BSD based machine before. Well you really should subscribe to the freebsd-questions mailing list, where you can ask these questions and more, and see other people's questions and answers. To subscribe, send an email to majordomo@freebsd.org (subject doesn't matter) with this line alone in the body: subscribe freebsd-questions Before posting to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org it's a good idea to read http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies There's a short guide to the basic FreeBSD resources at http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html You can branch out from there. Come back and ask here if you need more pointers to info or advice about using mailing lists. We'd also be keen to hear how you get on. Many of us have also been 'thrown in the deep end' and survived to chat about it :-) We can do that here in freebsd-newbies. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 9 23:01:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01852 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:01:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01830 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:01:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uusite!ANGUSSF@baygull.rtd.com) Received: from uusite.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) with UUCP id XAA10032 for newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:00:18 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199806100600.XAA10032@baygull.rtd.com> Received: by sf.geoapps.com (MG PM3-Waf 3.42D); Tue, 9 Jun 98 22:58:49 -0700 (MST) From: "Angus Scott-Fleming" Organization: GeoApps To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:43:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: *BSD flavours? Reply-to: angussf@geoapps.com X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just discovered that there are multiple flavours of BSD. What is the difference between the following BSDs and why should I care? freeBSD http://www.freebsd.org NetBSD http://www.netbsd.org OpenBSD http://www.openbsd.org -------------------- Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApplications Tucson, Arizona USA angussf@geoapps.com _______________________________ X-rays will prove to be a hoax. - attributed to Lord Kelvin and quoted in a review in _Nature_ (8/29/96) by John L. Casti of John Horgan's _The End of Science_ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 10 00:08:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA12530 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:08:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA12461 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:08:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pirat@oaep.go.th) Received: from parwati.oaep.go.th (slip202-135-22-141.sy.au.ibm.net [202.135.22.141]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA07058; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:07:20 GMT Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:07:26 +0700 (ICT) From: pirat sriyotha To: Angus Scott-Fleming cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *BSD flavours? In-Reply-To: <199806100600.XAA10032@baygull.rtd.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Angus Scott-Fleming wrote: > Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:43:51 -0700 > From: Angus Scott-Fleming > To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: *BSD flavours? > > I just discovered that there are multiple flavours of BSD. > yes, you are right. > > What is the difference between the following BSDs > > freeBSD http://www.freebsd.org > > NetBSD http://www.netbsd.org > > OpenBSD http://www.openbsd.org > i do not know too. but i myself like FreeBSD since it is free really. regards, pirat sriyotha pirat@center.oaep.go.th To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 10 08:23:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22916 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:23:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ttw.net (unused.shaw.ca [139.142.24.5] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA22619 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:22:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ekke@computer-solutions.ab.ca) Received: from ekke (unverified [24.64.224.193]) by mail.ttw.net (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:15:22 -0600 From: "Ekke Loo" To: "FreeBSD newbies" Subject: TSET and it's uses.... Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:19:46 -0600 Message-ID: <001701bd9483$33c7ca40$0201a8c0@ekke.home.computer-solutions.ab.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks to a person in questions who directed me to this command TSET... but i'm still having problems. i wish to have my cursor keys work in VI and everytime i use tset to switch my terminal to ansisysk it still won't activate the cursor keys in VI but it does work in Linux??? Any help would be greatly appreciated...... Many Thanks in advance... Ekke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 10 09:08:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04418 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:08:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.honk.org (mpoulin@honk.org [206.191.48.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04318 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:07:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from localhost (mpoulin@localhost) by mail.honk.org (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18617; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:12:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:12:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin Reply-To: Marty Poulin To: Sue Blake cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing X In-Reply-To: <19980606074507.47760@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > The first steps are basically: install X, Ok - what would be *really* helpful would be some sort of instructions on how to install X. Is it available as a package or a port, what is needed in preparation, where to get it... - a complete break down of the steps required. > make sure your path includes X > (you'll probably see how to change it if you edit your ~/.profile and log > in again), run xf86config as root (very carefully! a wrong answer can fry > your monitor so run it again if you made a mistake), and then as a humble > user type 'startx' and see if it works. Use Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to get out > of X if you can't see another way. If the screen seems happy, use > Ctrl-Alt-+ (that's the plus on the numeric keypad) a few times slowly to > see how easy it is to cycle through the available resolutions. That helps too. I assume by including "X" in my path you mean "/usr/X11R6"? > Next: you need to install and configure a 'window manager' to make it work > nicely. Out of the box it has an old plain window manager called twm but > you're sure to want something better. The one called fvwm2 is good to > start with (install from the FreeBSD packages collection) and experiment > with other ones after the basics are a bit more familiar. Hint: click on > the background with different mouse buttons to get menus, including one > that'll let you exit gracefully. By now you'll be interested in colour > depth as well as resolution, so try changing to something like > 'startx -- -bpp 16' to get more colours That's really helpful too. I would recommend just pasting the above instructions directly into the FAQ or handbook. > Would it help much to have a brief summary like this in the > Handbook or FAQ? Raise enough hands and it'll happen. I think it would definitely help. A brief overview, with a few specifics to point people in the right direction would be a great help. (BTW - I still have yet to successfully install X. Now that I have the above info, I will try again this weekend. Just for fun, I'll let you know how I make out) ===================== Quote(c) 1997 Martin Poulin ===================== I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand. - Confucius > > > > There's a couple of good chapters on setting up X in Greg Lehey's book > The Complete FreeBSD, and that's the only place you'll find every detail > from installing to making X shine. Get this book if you can. > > Our Newbies Resources web page (http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html) has > just had a little section on X added. It gets updated every couple of > weeks, mostly by *guessing* what info newbies need to find (hint). Please > post any feedback on that page to this mailing list. > > For problems and specific questions, ask freebsd-questions@freebsd.org. > There's another web page at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies > that explains how to deal with problems that don't solve themselves. > > > I don't have too much invested in my system right now, so it won't be > > too much of a loss to start over. > > Aaaarrggghh! That's what I said too :-( I reinstalled about six times in > the first week trying to get things right. WRONG! Once it's installed and > booting you're fine. Even the silliest goofs can be fixed from there, > with a little help from the FAQ, Handbook, man pages if you're desperate, > and freebsd-questions to solve any nagging mysteries that remain. > > If you're totally new at everything, remember that you'll be learning > about several distinct subjects at once: UNIX commands; X; how to use > particular applications; running FreeBSD. Try to distinguish between > these areas of knowledge from the start. Most of the help you'll get from > FreeBSD people (e.g. in freebsd-questions) is on FreeBSD itself, though > they'll stray to other areas a little bit to help out. > > On the other hand, here as newbies we can discuss the process we've been > through to learn FreeBSD and all of the other things we've needed to know > about. We all have different backgrounds and different learning styles. > Sharing our experiences is valuable, even when our experiences are very > different. > > Please let us know what helps you most, in case it helps us too. > > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 10 09:28:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA10015 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:28:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09859 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:28:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA18023; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:27:57 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980611022753.65391@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:27:54 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Marty Poulin Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing X References: <19980606074507.47760@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Marty Poulin on Wed, Jun 10, 1998 at 11:12:45AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 10, 1998 at 11:12:45AM -0400, Marty Poulin wrote: > On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > > > The first steps are basically: install X, > > Ok - what would be *really* helpful would be some sort of instructions > on how to install X. Is it available as a package or a port, what is > needed in preparation, where to get it... - a complete break > down of the steps required. > > > make sure your path includes X > > (you'll probably see how to change it if you edit your ~/.profile and log > > in again), run xf86config as root (very carefully! a wrong answer can fry > > your monitor so run it again if you made a mistake), and then as a humble > > user type 'startx' and see if it works. Use Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to get out > > of X if you can't see another way. If the screen seems happy, use > > Ctrl-Alt-+ (that's the plus on the numeric keypad) a few times slowly to > > see how easy it is to cycle through the available resolutions. > > That helps too. I assume by including "X" in my path you mean > "/usr/X11R6"? Errr... that sounds like it :-) To tell you the truth, I just look in my ~/.profile (the default one) where there's a comment saying you can include these paths if you want to have X or games. Then I paste them into the line below, counting and distinguishing between colons and semicolons carefully. I think it's really silly that these are not included in the path already, but someone clever must have had a reason for it. > > Next: you need to install and configure a 'window manager' to make it work > > nicely. Out of the box it has an old plain window manager called twm but > > you're sure to want something better. The one called fvwm2 is good to > > start with (install from the FreeBSD packages collection) and experiment > > with other ones after the basics are a bit more familiar. Hint: click on > > the background with different mouse buttons to get menus, including one > > that'll let you exit gracefully. By now you'll be interested in colour > > depth as well as resolution, so try changing to something like > > 'startx -- -bpp 16' to get more colours > > That's really helpful too. I would recommend just pasting the above > instructions directly into the FAQ or handbook. > > > > Would it help much to have a brief summary like this in the > > Handbook or FAQ? Raise enough hands and it'll happen. > > I think it would definitely help. A brief overview, with a few specifics > to point people in the right direction would be a great help. OK, thanks for the feedback. Anyone else got comments? When it's got some more flesh and polish I'll run it by the -doc people, unless someone else does a better job first. > (BTW - I still have yet to successfully install X. Now that I have the > above info, I will try again this weekend. Just for fun, I'll let you > know how I make out) Please do! I'm not in a position to install X right now. Please pass on any observations that might be too obvious for a non-newbie to see. > I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand. > - Confucius I hear and I forget. I see and I forget. I do and I forget. - Confused -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 10 11:32:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08920 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:32:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from eagle.ais.net (jfranta@eagle.ais.net [199.0.154.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08879 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:32:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfranta@ais.net) Received: from localhost (jfranta@localhost) by eagle.ais.net (8.8.8/AIS) with SMTP id NAA09277 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:32:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:32:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Josh Franta Reply-To: Josh Franta To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: installing freebsd over ppp Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is my first time trying to install freebsd over dialup ppp. I'm having some problems establishing the connection to my isp using user ppp. I've tried connecting to two different isps, both of whom accept pap for user authentication. Here are the commands I'm using once I enter ppp: set authname userid set authkey password set timeout 0 set openmode active accept pap enable pap term atdt5555555 (after receiving a CONNECT string, I do a: tielde p to enter packet mode). If I do a show proto, I can see lcp, pap and some other packets coming in and going out. I am always disconnected within 15 seconds of connecting. Does anyone have any ideas on what I'm doing incorrectly? I've looked in the handbook, searched the mailing lists and I haven't found anything that works for me. Any help would be appreciated. josh franta jfranta@ais.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 10 14:10:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA18058 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:10:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from battleship.genevaonline.com (battleship.genevaonline.com [156.46.205.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA17947 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:10:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thiel@genevaonline.com) Received: from shiva (pm3-ppp8.genevaonline.com [156.46.117.8]) by battleship.genevaonline.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA16584 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:10:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: X-Sender: thiel@mail.genevaonline.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:09:39 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Loren Thiel Subject: Fwd: Where's X go? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Being familiar with Windows 95...i was wondering where the equivalent of the \windows and \windows\system directories would be with X? What I mean is...where are the main system binaries...libraries...(does X use dll files, dynamic-linked-libraries) what are some of the other directories for under X? How about shortcuts...or .lnk files in Windows95? What are those in X? Does X use a registry like windows? How about startup files, like win.ini, system.ini? I've also rescently learned about windows managers...if I pick say KDE to run now...1st, where does that install to? 2nd, is it easy to change to another one...like fvwm2...or one of the other ones I found at http://www.PLiG.org/xwinman/index.html ? Thanks, Loren Thiel thiel@genevaonline.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 10 14:56:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA29440 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:56:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zephyr.cybercom.net (zephyr.cybercom.net [209.21.146.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29430 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:56:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ksmm@threespace.com) Received: from shell1.cybercom.net (ksmm@shell1.cybercom.net [209.21.136.6]) by zephyr.cybercom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA00627 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ksmm@localhost) by shell1.cybercom.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA27812 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:56:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.cybercom.net: ksmm owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:56:35 -0400 (EDT) From: The Classiest Man Alive X-Sender: ksmm@shell1.cybercom.net To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing X In-Reply-To: <19980611022753.65391@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 11 Jun 1998, Sue Blake wrote: : Errr... that sounds like it :-) To tell you the truth, I just look in my : ~/.profile (the default one) where there's a comment saying you can : include these paths if you want to have X or games. Then I paste them : into the line below, counting and distinguishing between colons and : semicolons carefully. I think it's really silly that these are not : included in the path already, but someone clever must have had a reason : for it. The simple reason appears to be that the X Windowing system and the games are not installed by default in the base system. Sometimes users install a minimal set of utilities onto a small system just to run some basic utilities. Last thing they need is a pre-configured path pointing to directories that aren't on the system. K.S. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 10 15:06:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02314 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:06:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02270 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:06:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA22524 for newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:06:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:06:00 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199806102206.PAA22524@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fwd: Where's X go? Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Most of the X stuff lives under /usr/X11R6. One of the critical subdirectories there is /usr/X11R6/bin, which needs to be in your "PATH". X programs tend to rely a lot on "dot files" in your home directory (for user-specific things) -- recall that the assumption is that many different people will be using the machine, probably at the same time; thus, placing "personal" preferences in system-wide files is a rather unexpected thing to do. No idea what those M$ files' roles are, so I won't try to guess. As for window managers -- yes, it's fairly easy to switch. Different ones generally use different "dot files" to customize; thus, switching to a new one is likely to involve a high amount of "tweaking" until you get it so it feels right... but switching back to one (after trying another) is usually quite easy. (The way to select which window manager to use is somewhat selectable, too, and depnds on how you choose to initialize the X environment. Never let it be said that X provides insufficient opportunities for customization....) Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 11 02:00:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA25497 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:00:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA25463 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:00:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA21261; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:59:49 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980611185942.19282@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:59:42 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Loren Thiel Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: KDE [was: Where's X go?] References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Loren Thiel on Wed, Jun 10, 1998 at 04:09:39PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 10, 1998 at 04:09:39PM -0500, Loren Thiel wrote: > I've also rescently learned about windows managers...if I pick say KDE to > run now...1st, where does that install to? 2nd, is it easy to change to > another one...like fvwm2...or one of the other ones I found at > http://www.PLiG.org/xwinman/index.html ? Yes, window managers are very easy to install and swap between them to try them out. Most are quite small, though something like KDE is a whopper because it includes a lot more than a window manager. This is getting awfully close to a freebsd-questions type topic... but after fiddling with KDE I worry about newbies having a hard time with it. KDE is a lot more than a window manager. It comes with a whole bunch of its own applications and is disturbingly (or appealingly?) microsoft-like. Some newbies will love it. Some are going to have trouble if my experience is anything to go on. I found that many parts of KDE crashed until I recompiled my kernel with some other stuff in it. One thing that wouldn't work at all was KDE's Help which you're going to want to use. The error messages pointed me to whatever was needed in the kernel, and I happened to recognise where to make the fix. There's also messages about this in the mailing list archives (http://www.freebsd.org/search.html) That's fine if you're used to this kind of thing, but a bit daunting if not. Rebuilding the kernel simply in order to try one of the many window managers is a bit extreme in one's early days. Don't let this put you off though. The kernel stuff isn't hard if you go slowly when you're not under pressure, read every word of the Handbook and FAQ, and have the LINT and GENERIC files open while you work. Of course to see all this at once you're going to have to be running X at the time, so you'll need to be using another window manager. For that reason I'd recommend against trying KDE as a first window manager. Also KDE is not "finished" yet so there's likely to be bugs, and it's hard for a newbie to tell bugs from unknowns. I'd suggest using something less flashy but more configurable and lightweight, like fvwm2, or at least install that package as a fall-back. Disclaimer: This is very much the blind leading the blind which is a Bad Thing. Don't believe a word I've said, but if you do have the same problems as me, know that you're not alone. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 11 12:41:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06374 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:41:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from papaya.mail.easynet.net (papaya.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA06316 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:40:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@boothman.easynet.co.uk) Received: (qmail 2484 invoked from network); 11 Jun 1998 19:40:20 -0000 Received: from boothman.easynet.co.uk (194.154.100.117) by papaya.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 11 Jun 1998 19:40:20 -0000 Received: by Boothman.easynet.co.uk (VPOP3 - Unregistered) with SMTP; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:40:08 +0100 Message-ID: <35802F1C.924D0F99@boothman.easynet.co.uk> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:25:16 +0100 From: Andrew Boothman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake CC: Loren Thiel , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KDE [was: Where's X go?] References: <19980611185942.19282@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0c Unregistered Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > > Rebuilding the kernel > simply in order to try one of the many window managers is a bit extreme > in one's early days. > I thought that rebuilding the kernel was a recommended thing to do as soon as you are installed? To remove unwanted drivers and stuff. That's what I picked up from freebsd-newbies/freebsd-stable/comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Am I right? I've never installed or used FreeBSD, but I will be doing in 2 to 3 weeks. Hence I'm already reading the mailing lists and newsgroups. In my opinion all this reading has got me far better prepared then any FAQ or handbook. There is a better way then learning by making mistakes, and that's learning from other people's mistakes! :-) -- Andrew Boothman : andrew@boothman.easynet.co.uk (http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~boothman/andrew/) "Do geography teachers eat Water Table biscuits?" - Me To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 11 13:46:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23552 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:46:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23468 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:46:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA06722; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:42:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19980611004224.07077@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:42:24 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: angussf@geoapps.com, newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *BSD flavours? References: <199806100600.XAA10032@baygull.rtd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199806100600.XAA10032@baygull.rtd.com>; from Angus Scott-Fleming on Tue, Jun 09, 1998 at 10:43:51PM -0700 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jun 09, 1998 at 10:43:51PM -0700, Angus Scott-Fleming wrote: > I just discovered that there are multiple flavours of BSD. What is > the difference between the following BSDs and why should I care? /usr/share/misc/bsd-family-tree shows how they are descended from one another. In a nutshell; > freeBSD http://www.freebsd.org > > NetBSD http://www.netbsd.org Both descended from the 4.3BSD Net/2 edition. In FreeBSD's case this was via BSD386. FreeBSD started off as 386BSD + 'the patchkit' which eventually got to be so large that a number of individuals (Jordan Hubbard, Terry Lambert, amongst others) got tired of maintaining all the patches and split it off as a separate product after Bill Joy (?) stopped supporting 386BSD. NetBSD (if my understanding is correct) is more of a direct descendent from 4.3BSD (there was no intermediate 386BSD stage) although in the intervening time there has been a lot of 'cross pollenisation' FreeBSD (because of it's 386BSD roots) has already been targeted at the Intel platform. NetBSD runs on many different platforms. > OpenBSD http://www.openbsd.org Split from NetBSD roughly a year, year and a half ago. One of the members of the NetBSD core team, Theo de Raadt has what might best be described as an abrasive debating style. NetBSD -core asked him to tone it down a bit when making NetBSD related announcements and comments. Misunderstandings arose, and Theo eventually decided to split from NetBSD and form OpenBSD. OpenBSD's particular speciality is security. Theo (and friends) are very proactive in auditing the source tree for obscure and not so obscure bugs and patching them. N -- You are in a maze of twisty signature files all the same. -- You are in a maze of twisty signature files all alike. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 11 13:48:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24041 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:48:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23846 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:47:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA05146; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:29:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19980611002930.45363@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:29:30 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Marty Poulin , Sue Blake Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing X References: <19980606074507.47760@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Marty Poulin on Wed, Jun 10, 1998 at 11:12:45AM -0400 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 10, 1998 at 11:12:45AM -0400, Marty Poulin wrote: > On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > > The first steps are basically: install X, > > Ok - what would be *really* helpful would be some sort of instructions > on how to install X. Is it available as a package or a port, what is > needed in preparation, where to get it... - a complete break > down of the steps required. Ignoring the issue of acquiring the actual tarballs for X, what's wrong with the instructions that come with it at the moment? N -- You are in a maze of twisty signature files all the same. -- You are in a maze of twisty signature files all alike. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 11 14:44:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07313 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:44:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07238 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:43:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA23502; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:43:26 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980612074319.25355@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:43:20 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Andrew Boothman Cc: Loren Thiel , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KDE [was: Where's X go?] References: <19980611185942.19282@welearn.com.au> <35802F1C.924D0F99@boothman.easynet.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <35802F1C.924D0F99@boothman.easynet.co.uk>; from Andrew Boothman on Thu, Jun 11, 1998 at 08:25:16PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 11, 1998 at 08:25:16PM +0100, Andrew Boothman wrote: > Sue Blake wrote: > > > > Rebuilding the kernel > > simply in order to try one of the many window managers is a bit extreme > > in one's early days. > > > > I thought that rebuilding the kernel was a recommended thing to do as > soon as you are installed? To remove unwanted drivers and stuff. Advice like this, when it comes from someone who know what they're talking about, has to be taken in context. Without the right context everyone is misled. For example, I can imagine that someone with a good deal of unix experience who is about to change over to FreeBSD for the first time and will be setting up a server to run as efficiently as possible might want to build a lean mean kernel right away. Traditionally most FreeBSD users have been assumed to fall into this category. But I know many who use FreeBSD on their machine at home and never touch the kernel, GENERIC meets their needs fine. This is not a comment on what should be done (it would not be appropriate to suggest that here) but an observation on the range of needs and understandings of FreeBSD users. > That's what I picked up from > freebsd-newbies/freebsd-stable/comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc You don't read freebsd-questions, but you read freebsd-stable? That's an unusual choice. > Am I right? > > I've never installed or used FreeBSD, but I will be doing in 2 to 3 > weeks. Hence I'm already reading the mailing lists and newsgroups. > > In my opinion all this reading has got me far better prepared then any > FAQ or handbook. There is a better way then learning by making mistakes, > and that's learning from other people's mistakes! :-) Hmmm, you might have made your first two learning mistakes already if you have avoided the FAQ and Handbook, and if you have chosen not to read freebsd-questions. You don't need to read freebsd-stable unless you are going to follow that branch, which is not the appropriate way to go for most people, especially newbies. What you read there will not apply to the current RELEASE version. The Handbook explains the differences. The people who know a lot about FreeBSD all hang out in one place and only one place: freebsd-questions. There they answer questions on any topic at any level. If someone gives a wrong or misleading answer, it's visible to hundreds of others ready to correct them. If your purpose is to watch what people are saying and how people are using FreeBSD, that is where you should be. Here, even as a newbie, I could get away with telling you anything I like and there's few people within earshot who could correct me. Indeed, if I fancied myself as a budding expert but couldn't compete with the standards of freebsd-questions I could exploit the little puddle of freebsd-newbies to achieve guru status with a bunch of admiring newbies who couldn't tell if what I said was incorrect :-) If support questions were already asked and answered here it would be open slather. Many of us who have moved over from Linux are sick to death of guessing between six wrong answers. For these and many other reasons we try to keep actual support and advice out of freebsd-newbies and have it centralised in freebsd-questions. It reduces the burden for the volunteers who only need to follow one mailing list to offer help, and ensures quality through peer review of all advice. Sometimes, though, there are other issues that newbies need to discuss, where there is no overlap with freebsd-questions, and where a bit of discussion here can help us better formulate the questions we ask elsewhere. There is much that only another newbie can understand, but none of this is technical. In the case of KDE I walked that thin line because I have seen newbies with very little background being advised something like "oh, just rebuild your kernel, it's easy" without any insight into the real difficulties that this would present for some newbies, eg new computer users who haven't even got X running properly yet. I expect that regular members of this list would know to use that information to better structure their freebsd-questions questions and better use their answers. Like I said earlier, traditionally FreeBSD has been used by people who already have many years of unix and networking experience. Unless you say "I'm a newbie" you're likely to be treated as the default (experienced) type of user. Only in freebsd-newbies you're likely to be treated as if you know less than you do. The computer newbie running a fun workstation at home is a new and rapidly growing addition to our community, who the community is just starting to come to terms with. A lot of them are readers of this mailing list. Newbies have been visible as a diverse group with our own mailing list for only a couple of months. Already we've done a lot for ourselves and helped others to help us better, without having to try to do what freebsd-questions already does well. If there's anything else you'd like to see for newbies, please mention it here. Maybe it will be done. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 11 14:46:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07783 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:46:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07679 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:46:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA23513; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:45:46 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980612074543.31873@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:45:43 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Nik Clayton Cc: Marty Poulin , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing X References: <19980606074507.47760@welearn.com.au> <19980611002930.45363@nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19980611002930.45363@nothing-going-on.org>; from Nik Clayton on Thu, Jun 11, 1998 at 12:29:30AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 11, 1998 at 12:29:30AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Wed, Jun 10, 1998 at 11:12:45AM -0400, Marty Poulin wrote: > > On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > > > The first steps are basically: install X, > > > > Ok - what would be *really* helpful would be some sort of instructions > > on how to install X. Is it available as a package or a port, what is > > needed in preparation, where to get it... - a complete break > > down of the steps required. > > Ignoring the issue of acquiring the actual tarballs for X, what's wrong > with the instructions that come with it at the moment? Which instructions? Where? Are they in the Handbook or FAQ? (It's a while since I've done a new installation) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 11 15:48:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21007 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:48:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from papaya.mail.easynet.net (papaya.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA20866 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:47:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@boothman.easynet.co.uk) Received: (qmail 22745 invoked from network); 11 Jun 1998 22:47:44 -0000 Received: from boothman.easynet.co.uk (194.154.100.117) by papaya.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 11 Jun 1998 22:47:44 -0000 Received: by Boothman.easynet.co.uk (VPOP3 - Unregistered) with SMTP; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:46:58 +0100 Message-ID: <35805E62.79623E1F@boothman.easynet.co.uk> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:46:58 +0100 From: Andrew Boothman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KDE [was: Where's X go?] References: <19980611185942.19282@welearn.com.au> <35802F1C.924D0F99@boothman.easynet.co.uk> <19980612074319.25355@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0c Unregistered Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > > > > That's what I picked up from > > freebsd-newbies/freebsd-stable/comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc > > You don't read freebsd-questions, but you read freebsd-stable? > That's an unusual choice. > You're right it is kinda weird. It all stemmed from the fact that I knew that freebsd-questions is a very high volume mailing list, and I'm on the end of a very slow connection which already carries a lot of mail. I was trying to find a list which had an 'intermediate' volume, I know that this isn't what -stable was intended for, but I subscribed before I really understood the mailing list system. I'll subscribe to -questions tonight. > > > > In my opinion all this reading has got me far better prepared then any > > FAQ or handbook. There is a better way then learning by making mistakes, > > and that's learning from other people's mistakes! :-) > > Hmmm, you might have made your first two learning mistakes already if you > have avoided the FAQ and Handbook, and if you have chosen not to read > freebsd-questions. > I didn't avoid the Handbook or FAQ at all! I just forgot to mention them! :-) I downloaded them and devoted a considerable amount of time to looking through them, and I still refer to them when I get lost in a conversation on comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc > You don't need to read freebsd-stable unless you are going to follow that > branch, which is not the appropriate way to go for most people, > especially newbies. What you read there will not apply to the current > RELEASE version. The Handbook explains the differences. > Agreed. I just didn't understand this when I subscribed. > > Regards, > -*Sue*- Thanks again Sue, for clearing up some of the freebsd-gray areas. (joke!) -- Andrew Boothman : andrew@boothman.easynet.co.uk (http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~boothman/andrew/) "Do geography teachers eat Water Table biscuits?" - Me To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 11 16:06:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24092 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:06:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23932 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:06:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA23783; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:05:44 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980612090540.54630@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:05:40 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Andrew Boothman Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KDE [was: Where's X go?] References: <19980611185942.19282@welearn.com.au> <35802F1C.924D0F99@boothman.easynet.co.uk> <19980612074319.25355@welearn.com.au> <35805E62.79623E1F@boothman.easynet.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <35805E62.79623E1F@boothman.easynet.co.uk>; from Andrew Boothman on Thu, Jun 11, 1998 at 11:46:58PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 11, 1998 at 11:46:58PM +0100, Andrew Boothman wrote: > > You're right it is kinda weird. It all stemmed from the fact that I knew > that freebsd-questions is a very high volume mailing list, and I'm on > the end of a very slow connection which already carries a lot of mail. Yes, quite a few of us have that problem, especially those outside of the USA. It's worth the volume though. > I was trying to find a list which had an 'intermediate' volume, I know > that this isn't what -stable was intended for, but I subscribed before > I really understood the mailing list system. I'll subscribe to > -questions tonight. I don't think you'll find too much difference in volume. What really worries me is that there's been a few very careful newbies who have misunderstood the various branches and started trying to install FreeBSD-CURRENT, a version under development, thinking that it was the right thing to use the "latest" version. Of course these versions are mainly for develpers and people who are keen to be hit by bugs in their larval stage. It is difficult to do any more than we do to avoid these misconceptions. > > > In my opinion all this reading has got me far better prepared then any > > > FAQ or handbook. There is a better way then learning by making mistakes, > > > and that's learning from other people's mistakes! :-) > > > > Hmmm, you might have made your first two learning mistakes already if you > > have avoided the FAQ and Handbook, and if you have chosen not to read > > freebsd-questions. > > > > I didn't avoid the Handbook or FAQ at all! I just forgot to mention > them! :-) I downloaded them and devoted a considerable amount of time to > looking through them, and I still refer to them when I get lost in a > conversation on comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Too late! Too late! You have false followers already. Half an hour ago there was a meeting of ten thousand newbies where they threw all their Handbooks and FAQs on a huge fire and ran around in circles joyfully shouting "Burn the FAQing Handbook!" :-) BTW, have you checked out http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html ? Any comments or suggestions? -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 11 16:08:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24391 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:08:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from battleship.genevaonline.com (battleship.genevaonline.com [156.46.205.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24218 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:07:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thiel@genevaonline.com) Received: from shiva (pm3-ppp46.genevaonline.com [156.46.117.46]) by battleship.genevaonline.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA05694 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:07:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806112307.SAA05694@battleship.genevaonline.com> X-Sender: thiel@mail.genevaonline.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:07:27 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Loren Thiel Subject: Making a new kernel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org So is making your own custom kernel a wise thing to do being a newbie? I've seen lots of documentation on how to do it...and what all the options do in the kernel source. (/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC)(there is some .lint file or something too) I've even modified my own kernel...however it didn't correctly compile... since then, I've reinstalled...and I can't download the source again because my ppp isn't working yet. (If anyone would like to help me with that I'd appreciate it...using kernel ppp, I guess its called) I understand a custom kernel is not nessarry, but doesn't it make your computer boot faster, and use less memory for the kernel because you've eliminated support for devices you don't have? I also have 32megs of ram...but the kernel only sees 16megs...will making a new kernel fix this also? I seem to remember reading somewhere that adding support for your sound card requires making a new kernel? Thanks, Loren Thiel thiel@genevaonline.com ICQ: 1117658 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 11 16:19:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26552 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:19:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nash.pr.mcs.net (nash.pr.mcs.net [204.95.47.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26486 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:19:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@nash.pr.mcs.net) Received: (from alex@localhost) by nash.pr.mcs.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA00183; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:17:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from alex) Message-Id: <199806112317.SAA00183@nash.pr.mcs.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:17:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Alex Nash Subject: Re: *BSD flavours? To: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk cc: angussf@geoapps.com, newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980611004224.07077@nothing-going-on.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 11 Jun, Nik Clayton wrote: > In FreeBSD's case this was via BSD386. FreeBSD started off as 386BSD + > 'the patchkit' which eventually got to be so large that a number of > individuals (Jordan Hubbard, Terry Lambert, amongst others) got tired > of maintaining all the patches and split it off as a separate product > after Bill Joy (?) stopped supporting 386BSD. Not Bill Joy, Bill Jolitz and Lynne Jolitz. Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 11 18:05:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA20832 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:05:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA20783 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:05:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from Pentium_PC (dialup632.serv.net [207.207.65.32]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA25579 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980611180503.007dc680@mx.serv.net> X-Sender: fewtch@mx.serv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:05:03 -0700 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Tim Gerchmez Subject: Help with two things, please? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I need help with two problems (one sort of advanced, one newbie-ish). If anyone has encountered these before, please post the answer to the mailing list (or send directly to me at fewtch@serv.net). I would really appreciate the help. (1) I'm trying to network my Win95 PC to FreeBSD on another PC via Ethernet (works just fine Win95 to Win95 so it's not hardware related). I've tried both basic TCP/IP and IPX on the Win95 machine (enabled/set up in rc.conf on the BSD machine, of course). The packets are getting received on the FreeBSD machine, but I get "Socket : Protocol not supported" messages and nothing else happens. I tried to connect via anonymous FTP to the FreeBSD machine, and the socket connected, but then it just sits there and does nothing forever - no welcome message, nothing (I'm sure I set it up right). Yes, I set "TCP Extensions = YES" in rc.conf. Doesn't help. (2) I can't get any of the X clients but the default to work. Anything else (fvwm95, Enlightenment, Qvwm, etc) simply say "Can't open display" and terminate with no further messages. I've tried everything I can think of. Any hints? Thanks much for any help, Tim fewtch@serv.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 11 19:34:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08347 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:34:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08185; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:34:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA24495; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:31:47 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980612123141.09803@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:31:41 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Tim Gerchmez Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help with two things, please? References: <3.0.5.32.19980611180503.007dc680@mx.serv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980611180503.007dc680@mx.serv.net>; from Tim Gerchmez on Thu, Jun 11, 1998 at 06:05:03PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tim, we don't deal with questions in freebsd-newbies so I'm sending this one off to freebsd-questions for you. You should get an answer by email from there. On Thu, Jun 11, 1998 at 06:05:03PM -0700, Tim Gerchmez wrote: > Hi, I need help with two problems (one sort of advanced, one newbie-ish). > If anyone has encountered these before, please post the answer to the > mailing list (or send directly to me at fewtch@serv.net). I would really > appreciate the help. > > (1) I'm trying to network my Win95 PC to FreeBSD on another PC via Ethernet > (works just fine Win95 to Win95 so it's not hardware related). I've tried > both basic TCP/IP and IPX on the Win95 machine (enabled/set up in rc.conf > on the BSD machine, of course). The packets are getting received on the > FreeBSD machine, but I get "Socket : Protocol not supported" messages and > nothing else happens. I tried to connect via anonymous FTP to the FreeBSD > machine, and the socket connected, but then it just sits there and does > nothing forever - no welcome message, nothing (I'm sure I set it up right). > Yes, I set "TCP Extensions = YES" in rc.conf. Doesn't help. > > (2) I can't get any of the X clients but the default to work. Anything > else (fvwm95, Enlightenment, Qvwm, etc) simply say "Can't open display" and > terminate with no further messages. I've tried everything I can think of. > Any hints? > > Thanks much for any help, > > Tim > fewtch@serv.net > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 03:11:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA01931 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 03:11:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ccr.ntu.ac.uk (ccr.ntu.ac.uk [152.71.25.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA01748 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 03:10:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tim.parkinson@ccr.ntu.ac.uk) Received: from stimpy (152.71.25.146) by ccr.ntu.ac.uk (Rockliffe SMTPRA 1.2.2) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:11:10 +0000 From: "Tim Parkinson" To: Subject: What do people on the list use FreeBSD for? Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:11:04 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01bd95ea$68bf5f20$92194798@stimpy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm curious as to what people are using their FreeBSD machines for. I know some people who are complete UN*X nutcases, yet when asked, why they use it they can't answer. I was just thinking about specific applications that people had. Personally, I have a FreeBSD system that is being used as a gateway for our internal Lan at home through a cable modem, the modem doesn't work properly at the moment :( But thats the point of trials. We also run that box as an e-mail/mud/web server, which eventually will be accessible at a decent speed to the Internet as a whole. The LAN it is serving is composed of Win95 clients with one NetBSD/SPARC machine and a Linux box. It will also soon have a cluster of 386's running Linux and the Beowulf distributed processing system. I have found that setting up the FreeBSD machine has been an absolute doddle. FreeBSD is a very logical OS and although I have a few years UN*X experience (as a user of SunOS and a little Linux, not admin), I thought it would be a little harder to set up. NATD (Network Address Translation Daemon) took about 5 minutes to set up, with a little extra time to recompile a custom kernel. The man page on NATD is superb, with lots of examples on how to configure it. Cheers, ---------------------------------------------- Tim Parkinson -Teaching Company Associate Nottingham Trent University & Clerical Gas Ltd Tel: 0115 9783677 Fax: 0115 9706977 tim.parkinson@ccr.ntu.ac.uk tim@gubbins.ml.org -Home To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 05:27:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA28217 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 05:27:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA28178 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 05:26:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from Pentium_PC (dialup115.serv.net [205.153.153.144]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA04009; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 05:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980612052646.007f8100@mx.serv.net> X-Sender: fewtch@mx.serv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 05:26:46 -0700 To: "Tim Parkinson" , From: Tim Gerchmez Subject: Re: What do people on the list use FreeBSD for? In-Reply-To: <000b01bd95ea$68bf5f20$92194798@stimpy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I dunno, I'm just having fun learning right now. I'm thinking of the learning process as "7 circles" of gurudom :-)... I recently entered the first circle by installing and configuring FreeBSD, and getting X-Windows up and running nicely. Now I'm working on the 2nd circle, compiling my first custom kernel. Once I reach the 7th circle, I will leave my body and enter the Universal Net Godhood, those souls who were once Unix gurus and have vanished to higher planes of existence. ;-) But seriously... once I get the system up and running, I plan to try and get it networked via Ethernet with Win95 and TCP/IP (3rd circle). I plan to play games on it, mess around with various X servers, add new stuff, etc. Learning Unix pays off in the business world bigtime, and although I have nothing really serious to use it for on my home machine (it's on a second PC actually that I use as a testbed for OS's and software - my main PC is Win95 only and remains stable (as stable as Win95 gets, anyway)), I will soon be starting a PC upgrade/repair/build business and offering FreeBSD as an optional free OS on new systems (otherwise, the customer will have to buy their own). Therefore, I should know it like the back of my hand (nobody wants to pay $50/hr. install fees to a newbie ;-) I've tried two of the 'Linuces' (Debian and Slackware) and so far I prefer FreeBSD, although it has just about as steep a learning curve as any Unix if you want to really do anything with it. It makes it easier for newbies though in most areas than many of the 'Linuces' (Linux) do. One thing I really hate about it are parts of the sysinstall procedure. Adding anything once the system is installed can be a real serious pain in the tail, and upgrading can mess your entire system up. This area needs a lot of work still (compare it to the Win95 or NT install, for example). At 11:11 AM 6/12/98 +0100, Tim Parkinson wrote: >I'm curious as to what people are using their FreeBSD machines for. I know >some people who are complete UN*X nutcases, yet when asked, why they use it >they can't answer. >I was just thinking about specific applications that people had. > >Personally, I have a FreeBSD system that is being used as a gateway for our >internal Lan at home through a cable modem, the modem doesn't work properly >at the moment :( But thats the point of trials. >We also run that box as an e-mail/mud/web server, which eventually will be >accessible at a decent speed to the Internet as a whole. >The LAN it is serving is composed of Win95 clients with one NetBSD/SPARC >machine and a Linux box. It will also soon have a cluster of 386's running >Linux and the Beowulf distributed processing system. > >I have found that setting up the FreeBSD machine has been an absolute >doddle. FreeBSD is a very logical OS and although I have a few years UN*X >experience (as a user of SunOS and a little Linux, not admin), I thought it >would be a little harder to set up. NATD (Network Address Translation >Daemon) took about 5 minutes to set up, with a little extra time to >recompile a custom kernel. The man page on NATD is superb, with lots of >examples on how to configure it. > >Cheers, > >---------------------------------------------- >Tim Parkinson -Teaching Company Associate >Nottingham Trent University & Clerical Gas Ltd >Tel: 0115 9783677 Fax: 0115 9706977 >tim.parkinson@ccr.ntu.ac.uk >tim@gubbins.ml.org -Home To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 09:11:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA10009 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:11:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09942 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:11:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA08591; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:10:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:10:57 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199806121610.JAA08591@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, tim.parkinson@ccr.ntu.ac.uk Subject: Re: What do people on the list use FreeBSD for? Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From: "Tim Parkinson" >Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:11:04 +0100 >I'm curious as to what people are using their FreeBSD machines for. I know >some people who are complete UN*X nutcases, yet when asked, why they use it >they can't answer. >I was just thinking about specific applications that people had. Well, here at Whistle, we have a couple of boxes running Solaris 2.x for specific applications (that are either "not" or "poorly" supported for FreeBSD), but all our other UNIX machines are FreeBSD. So we do the usual: a variety of internal & external Web servers; mail servers; NIS; nameservice.... We also have a lot of desktop FreeBSD boxen, such as the one I'm using to read & write email now. There are some folks here who (for whatever reasons) run Microsoft environments, and to accomodate them, we're also running a SAMBA server. And we make a rather neat little box that runs FreeBSD on the insides.... :-) At home, I run Suns.... :-} (No PC hardware there -- oh, except for one piece of an embedded system that I haven't powered up yet... and when I do, it will be so I can figure out what it's doing & replicate the work on a better platform... probably with Perl scripts.) Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 09:30:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14692 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:30:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14513 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:29:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA08728; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:28:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:28:49 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199806121628.JAA08728@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, thiel@genevaonline.com Subject: Re: Making a new kernel Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:07:27 -0500 >From: Loren Thiel >So is making your own custom kernel a wise thing to do being a newbie? Much depends on the respects in which you're a "newbie". If you're a newbie to computing, I'd suggest restraint. If you're a newbie to *BSD-flavored or -inspired OSs, I also suggest restraint. If you're familiar with computers in general, and also familiar with *BSD, and have re-built kernels for *BSD systems before, it's not a whole lot different for FreeBSD, and so I'd suggest reading the docs & trying it out -- just don't do the "make install" unless & until you know how to back it out. HINT: "-n" for make -- as in "make -n install" -- can be exceedingly useful: it isn't supposed to actually do anything, but rather, tell you what it would have done, had you not specified "-n". Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 12:02:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16616 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:02:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.wr.com.au (wr.com.au [203.12.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16473 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:01:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gharris@mail.wr.com.au) Received: from aplyozsq (dialup154.wr.com.au [203.27.69.154]) by mail.wr.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA26941 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 05:00:37 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199806121900.FAA26941@mail.wr.com.au> From: "Gary Harris" To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:57:10 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Installing X In-reply-to: <19980612074543.31873@welearn.com.au> References: <19980611002930.45363@nothing-going-on.org>; from Nik Clayton on Thu, Jun 11, 1998 at 12:29:30AM +0100 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > Ok - what would be *really* helpful would be some sort of instructions > > > on how to install X. > > Ignoring the issue of acquiring the actual tarballs for X, what's wrong > > with the instructions that come with it at the moment? > > Which instructions? Where? Are they in the Handbook or FAQ? > (It's a while since I've done a new installation) there's a file in the XF86332 ftp directory and a large entry in the Handbook on www,freebsd.com. Cheers, Gary. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary Harris PowWow: gharris@wr.com.au ICQ Pager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/827286 EMail: gharris@wr.com.au EMail: gharri01@postoffice.csu.edu.au WWW: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/1473/ PGP Public Key available To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 13:54:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11608 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:54:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.honk.org (mpoulin@honk.org [206.191.48.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11335 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:53:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from localhost (mpoulin@localhost) by mail.honk.org (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA02069 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:52:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:52:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing X In-Reply-To: <199806121900.FAA26941@mail.wr.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 13 Jun 1998, Gary Harris wrote: > > > > Ignoring the issue of acquiring the actual tarballs for X, what's wrong > > > with the instructions that come with it at the moment? > > > > Which instructions? Where? Are they in the Handbook or FAQ? > > (It's a while since I've done a new installation) > > there's a file in the XF86332 ftp directory and a large entry in the Handbook on www,freebsd.com. > > > Cheers, > > Gary. If there is a large entry in the Handbook, I have yet to find it. All that is listed in the handbook is a link to the XFree86 site. Check out the section in the Handbook titled: "The X Window System" (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook132.html#187) and you'll see what I mean. The ftp site is a bit better- there is a FAQ at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/XFree86/FAQ/faq.html that helps quit a bit. Ultimately, the most helpful site I have found to date is a Linux site : http://www.linux-howto.com/HOWTO/XFree86-HOWTO That, combined with the Release notes found on the XFree86 site (ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/current/binaries/FreeBSD-2.2.x/) seem to be just about all of the info I need - especially the file called "FILES" - it lists the entire file structure of each tarball. That was the original point that I was getting at. This info is out there, but it is not easy to find right off the bat, especially for a newbie. It would be extremely useful to us newbies to be able to find this info directly in the Handbook. Anyway, I will be attempting to install X this weekend, so wish me luck. ===================== Quote(c) 1997 Martin Poulin ===================== Beauty, n: the power by which a woman charms a lover and terrifies a husband. - Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 14:31:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19598 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:31:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from colossus.dyn.ml.org (dburr@206-18-112-209.la.inreach.net [206.18.112.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19331 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:30:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@colossus.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from dburr@localhost) by colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id OAA28839; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:28:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <000b01bd95ea$68bf5f20$92194798@stimpy> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Computer Help From: Donald Burr To: Tim Parkinson Subject: RE: What do people on the list use FreeBSD for? Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My secret spy satellite informs me that on 12-Jun-98, Tim Parkinson wrote: > I'm curious as to what people are using their FreeBSD machines for. I > know > some people who are complete UN*X nutcases, yet when asked, why they use > it > they can't answer. > I was just thinking about specific applications that people had. I first started out using FreeBSD a few years ago (around late '95 if I recall correctly), in the 2.0.5-RELEASE days. My first use was as a desktop machine. I was getting sick of Windows crashes (at that time, I had a VERY unstable Windows 3.11 setup, and wanted to replace it with something that actually works. Plus, I was taking some computer classes (One of them was a UNIX class), and wanted an environment at home so that I could do classwork. I figured a UNIX environment would be ideal for this. Unfortunately, I didn't really use it as a desktiop machine. The programs just weren't there -- my main needs being an office suite-type package (and no, I was NOT going to learn *TEX, thank you very much!). So I found myself often booting into Windows. So, once my computer classes were over, I went back to all-Windows. The reasons being (1) the software needs (I had Microsoft Office, after all), (2) lack of hard drive space, and (3) I had, by that time, upgraded to Win95, which (believe it or not) actually ran better than Win 3.11 for me. So, I sort of dropped out of the FreeBSD world for awhile. I never got 2.1-RELEASE, or any of its successors. During that time, I did do a bit of playing around with Linux -- but this was just for playing around. (I never did any serious work under Linux, except a bit of C programming.) My main OS was still Windows 95. Then, last year (June-ish or so), while digging around through a bunch of old computer junk that I was going to donate to the local Salvation Army or something, I found my old 2.0.5 CD. I thought "gee, maybe the world of FreeBSD has changed." So I went over to Walnut Creek and ordered me a CD-ROM set. And so I received 2.2.2, but never installed it, because 2.2.5 came about a week later. By this time, Windows 95 had started its "crash and burn" cycle, so I was getting pretty fed up, and once again, was looking for a serious replacement as a desktop OS. So, I installed 2.2.5. And boy was I impressed! The system ran faster, everything worked better, etc. But the greatest thing was, that now ports/editors/staroffice existed. "Is this true?" I remember thinking to myself, "is there really an office suite-type package that will work under FreeBSD?" I installed it, and sure enough, it lived up to its expectations. That, combined with FreeBSD's great support for PPP, and the fact that the BSDi binary of Netscape Navigator ran, got me hooked. I now had all I needed to convert over to FreeBSD-only as my desktop OS. And so that's what I did. (I also got a newer system, and bigger HD's in the process. :) ) And to this date, I have not looked back. So now I was using FreeBSD as my main desktop machine -- writing letters, doing homework, finances, browisng the Web, e-mail, etc. Since I had more hard drive space than my roommate, and we had only one printer between us (that has since changed), I decided to set up a network. I setup a Samba server so that she could use some of my hard drive space to keep programs and documents. That has worked out very well -- Samba is one of those "gotta have it" programs for me. We also use FreeBSD for web development. I installed an Apache web server, so that I could easily make modifications to my Web page and test them, right on my own computer. But the greatest thing was being able to use FrontPage. My roommate belongs to a club, who wanted their own Web site. Being a nonprofit, they were able to get a local ISP to donate space for a Web site. Unfortunately, they don't know HTML, so for a while, I was editing the web page for them. This didn't work out very well, though, because, due to my other commitments, sometimes I wasn't able to get to it for days, even weeks, and they had a lot of time-sensitive material that had to be put up **NOW** (like legislative action alerts, etc.) So they bought my roommate a copy of FrontPage, because that way she could edit it herself, graphically. Unfortunately, none of us knew that FrontPage needed special extensions on the web server. And also, unfortunately, our service provider was unwilling to put them on their web server. So I figured out a rather nice workaround, thanks to Scot Hetzel's Apache-with-FrontPage port, which obviously came in very handy. I setup my webserver as a FrontPage server -- my roommate would edit the pages on it. I set up a periodic cron job that would upload the complete set of web pages to the ISP, using ftp. This works out extremely well. Throughout it all, I have been extremely amazed, and completely satisfied, with FreeBSD's ease of installation (of both the operating system, and of third-party software [e.g. ports and packages]), its ease of use, ease of configurability and customizability, and its extreme stability. I can't recall my system ever crashing ONCE for anything other than hardware failures or acts of God (i.e. power brownout, etc.) So, in summary, my uses for FreeBSD are: * Desktop operating system * Standard productivity applications * Software development * Server for small in-home PC network * Web development and serving --- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD - Turning PCs into Workstations - http://www.freebsd.org/ (NOTE: POBoxes.com appears to be working again -- fire away!) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 15:57:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06741 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:57:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06720 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:57:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from XDrAcOX@mci2000.COM) Received: from mci2000.COM ([166.55.224.252]) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with ESMTP id <0EUG003QANR7DY@PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET> for newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:57:08 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:02:07 -0400 From: DrAcO Subject: Installing X-Windows To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: XDrAcOX@mci2000.COM Message-id: <3581B36E.C76B5891@mci2000.COM> Organization: XDrAcOX@mci2000.com MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am new to the FreeBSD "enviroment", and am only 15 at the time so forgive me if I sound kind of "out of it" right now. I recently installed FreeBSD 2.2.6 on my laptop (Toshiba 430CDS) and am having trouble running X-Windows. When X-Windows comes up, it seems like an older version. When I ran RedHat Linux 4.2, my X-Windows background was green and it had a start menu, etc., etc. However, my FreeBSD X-Windows is grey, has no start menu, and the colors are different. The X-Term windows is actually white! In X-Windows configuration, I have selected the right graphics card, screen resolution, and everything is correct, but when I startx it looks the same. I installed FreeBSD from a CD-ROM. I was wondering if someone could help me figure out what the problem is? Thanks, John. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 16:12:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09730 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:12:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09480 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:11:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00298; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:11:24 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980613091114.46852@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:11:14 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Gary Harris Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing X References: <19980611002930.45363@nothing-going-on.org>; <19980612074543.31873@welearn.com.au> <199806121900.FAA26941@mail.wr.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199806121900.FAA26941@mail.wr.com.au>; from Gary Harris on Sat, Jun 13, 1998 at 04:57:10AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jun 13, 1998 at 04:57:10AM +1000, Gary Harris wrote: > > > > > Ok - what would be *really* helpful would be some sort of instructions > > > > on how to install X. > > > > Ignoring the issue of acquiring the actual tarballs for X, what's wrong > > > with the instructions that come with it at the moment? > > > > Which instructions? Where? Are they in the Handbook or FAQ? > > (It's a while since I've done a new installation) > > there's a file in the XF86332 ftp directory and a large entry in the > Handbook on www,freebsd.com. Thanks, but it's still not working for me :-( If I can't find this stuff there must be one or two other newbies who can't either. Can you be more specific about the "file in the XF86332 ftp directory" ? In the latest version of the handbook on the FTP site all I can see is the same vague link to www.xfree86.org that's been there for ages. Two lines, not a large entry. Am I looking in the wrong place? When I went to xfree86.org I did find some documentation that I couldn't see there last time I looked. Either I missed it last time round, or it's been added since. It is strange, though, that nobody was able to point me to anything when I asked for links to easy documentation to put on the FreeBSD Newbies Resources page, and that nobody has suggested any corrections or additions to that page for easy X documentation. And I'm still wishing for something that will help a microsoft newbie who has just installed FreeBSD from the CD to get from there to actually *using* X, ie, to the point where they no longer have to be embarrassed by having the people in freebsd-questions tell them how to put X in their path, or claiming that some non-existent ~/.x* files should be edited, how to use the mouse (pasting, extra buttons, etc) and knowing that the supplied twm isn't all that X does. Either once people have X working nicely they become complacent and forget about the difficulties of others, or I'm missing a lot of stuff. If I'm being stupid about this probably others will be too unless you people who do know these things tell us how we can know too. Having a web page should mean that no more than one newbie has to be floundering for doccos. Now I'm doing the floundering and I need all of you to tell me where I'm stupid, to help stop this happening to others. What's out there on X that's suitable for us? -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 16:39:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA15122 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:39:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from milkyway.org (lta-r-1.usit.net [205.241.194.17] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14836 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:37:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toby@milkyway.org) Received: from milkyway.org (rigel.milkyway.org [205.241.194.19]) by milkyway.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA26740; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3581BCC3.1392ABB0@milkyway.org> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:41:56 -0400 From: Toby Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Parkinson CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people on the list use FreeBSD for? References: <000b01bd95ea$68bf5f20$92194798@stimpy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tim Parkinson wrote: > I'm curious as to what people are using their FreeBSD machines for. . . . I use FreeBSD on 2 machines at home. One is a dedicated print server with 3 different printers. The other is a file server, gateway to the internet via iij-ppp dial on demand and an ISDN terminal adapter, primary DNS server, NIS master server, and POP3 post office. Both hosts run SAMBA for client file and printer access. All the family members run Windows 95 on their PCs. This arrangement gives everyone instant, if the connection is up, concurrent access to the internet and faster access than Micro$oft's dial-up networking. I also only need one internet account. By having a post office on my end of the connection I can have as many (or as few) mailboxes as I want, which ishandy for when family comes to visit. The ISDN line has enough bandwidth for 2 or 3 users simultaneously (unless they are all trying to download huge files.) I chose FreeBSD over Linux because it's more stable, easier to setup and maintain (IMHO), and has all this tech support, hand holding and commiserating in one convenient location. Toby (toby@milkyway.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 17:54:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27766 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:54:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA27593 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:53:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00561; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 10:53:00 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980613105256.03898@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 10:52:56 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: XDrAcOX@mci2000.COM Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing X-Windows References: <3581B36E.C76B5891@mci2000.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3581B36E.C76B5891@mci2000.COM>; from DrAcO on Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 07:02:07PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 07:02:07PM -0400, DrAcO wrote: > I am new to the FreeBSD "enviroment", and am only 15 at the time so > forgive me if I sound kind of "out of it" right now. I recently > installed FreeBSD 2.2.6 on my laptop (Toshiba 430CDS) and am having > trouble running X-Windows. When X-Windows comes up, it seems like an > older version. When I ran RedHat Linux 4.2, my X-Windows background was > green and it had a start menu, etc., etc. However, my FreeBSD X-Windows > is grey, has no start menu, and the colors are different. The X-Term > windows is actually white! In X-Windows configuration, I have selected > the right graphics card, screen resolution, and everything is correct, > but when I startx it looks the same. I installed FreeBSD from a > CD-ROM. I was wondering if someone could help me figure out what the > problem is? Support questions normally go to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org (not -newbies), but it seems you've come to the right place after all because we can steer you to some documentation that will likely fix you up without actually giving you advice. I think (and remember, I'm only a newbie too) that what you're seeing is the difference between one window manager and another. When I used Red Hat it installed complete with a very microsoft-like window manager and I didn't have to choose one, or even know what a window manager is. Now you're about to find out. There's a lot of different window managers, each one giving X a totally different look and feel. Changing window managers can feel like moving from, say, windoze95 to a macintosh. It's amazing! Go to this site and read all about it, you'll be blown away by what you can do. http://www.plig.org/xwinman/ There's illustrations and some good background information that explains what window managers do. You can install any you want to try out from the FreeBSD packages collection. See, I don't think you have a problem here but an opportunity to discover whole new worlds by yourself. But if you still have problems, write to the support mailing list freebsd-questions@freebsd.org and the people who know what they're talking about will give you some really good advice. There's two web pages for FreeBSD Newbies you might like to look at: http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html is a list of resources we find useful http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ is about this list and some tips on solving problems and getting help Let us know how you get on! -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 18:18:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02955 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:18:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kether.intellint.com (kether.intellint.com [198.178.173.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02945 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:18:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alan@kether.intellint.com) Received: from [198.178.173.3] by kether.intellint.com with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:22:54 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:22:46 -0400 To: Matthias.Apitz@SOFTCON.de (Matthias Apitz) From: "Alan M. Friedman" Subject: Re: HELP!-Re: ifconfig MEDIA error..."media 10base2/BNC" Cc: Doug White , Kerry Morse , freeBSD-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, "Tim Yeung" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I wish I could help you, but I'm actually writing to let you know that you REALLY helped me. I could not get ifconfig to recognize the BNC connector on my EtherLink III 3c589C PCMCIA card AT ALL!!! I tried the "media 10base2/bnc", which I was then told was not working on that device (zp0) so I also tried the link0 and link1 options to no avail. . . . but I did NOT try the "-link0 link1" options you have below in an insert command, I thought that was worth a try . . . that did it!!! :-)) Apparently leaving out the "-" was a loser. :) Anyway, thanks very much for the help . . . inadvertant though it was. :) Alan > ># 3Com Etherlink III 3C589D >card "3Com Corporation" "3C589D" > config 0x1 "ep0" 11 > insert echo 3Com Etherlink III inserted > # BNC: > insert /etc/pccard_ether ep0 -link0 link1 > # RJ-45: > # insert /etc/pccard_ether ep0 link0 -link1 > remove echo 3Com Etherlink III removed > remove /sbin/ifconfig ep0 delete > >Hope it helps you out. > > matthias >-- >firm: matthias.apitz@sisis.de [voc:+49 89 61308 351, fax: +49 89 61308 188] >priv: guru@thias.muc.de > WWW: http://www.sisis.de/~guru/ > >"We don't care. We don't have to. You'll buy whatever we ship, so why >bother? > We're Microsoft." > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message \_\_\_________________________________________ \_ \_\_\_ Unix, WindowsNT & Mac(h) | Alan M. Friedman - WA3MLK \_ \_ \_\_\_ C++/Java | Intelligent Interfaces, Inc. \_\_\_ \_ \_ Artificial Intelligence | (301) 299-6631|(301) 983-2211 \_\_\_ \_ Neural Netification | alan@kether.intellint.com \_\_\________________________| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 18:26:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04445 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04336 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:26:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA00746; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 11:25:37 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980613112533.39137@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 11:25:33 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Marty Poulin Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing X References: <199806121900.FAA26941@mail.wr.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Marty Poulin on Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 03:52:58PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 03:52:58PM -0400, Marty Poulin wrote: > That was the original point that I was getting at. This info is out > there, but it is not easy to find right off the bat, especially for a > newbie. That is *exactly* why we have http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html Everyone should use it, criticise it, suggest improvements. As soon as this X business is sorted out it'll be updated again. Your observations so far have been helpful, thanks. Do let us know what else you discover. We'll get this together on a newbies level eventually, then nobody else will need to search so much. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 18:31:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05370 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:31:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05351 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:31:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from Pentium_PC (dialup127.serv.net [205.153.153.156]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA07478; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980612183143.007e74b0@mx.serv.net> X-Sender: fewtch@mx.serv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:31:43 -0700 To: David Wolfskill , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, thiel@genevaonline.com From: Tim Gerchmez Subject: Re: Making a new kernel In-Reply-To: <199806121628.JAA08728@pau-amma.whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:28 AM 6/12/98 -0700, David Wolfskill wrote: >>So is making your own custom kernel a wise thing to do being a newbie? > >Much depends on the respects in which you're a "newbie". > >If you're a newbie to computing, I'd suggest restraint. > >If you're a newbie to *BSD-flavored or -inspired OSs, I also suggest >restraint. I wouldn't. You can learn a lot about FreeBSD from building a custom kernel, and it's easy to revert back to the old kernel if necessary (read the handbook - FreeBSD makes it almost failsafe if you screw up). Just READ UP ON IT FIRST and examine the LINT file in /usr/src/sys/i386/conf to see what everything does before changing anything. Make sure to follow instructions to the letter in the handbook, including copying GENERIC to MYKERNEL. DO NOT MODIFY THE GENERIC KERNEL FILE INCLUDED DIRECTLY. Other than that, I'd recommend trying it... multiple times if you want (and have the time to wait for the damn thing to finish). I built my first working kernel yesterday and it was *SLOW* for some reason.... if I can't get a fast kernel built I'll just use the generic one. >If you're familiar with computers in general, and also familiar with >*BSD, and have re-built kernels for *BSD systems before, it's not a >whole lot different for FreeBSD, and so I'd suggest reading the docs & >trying it out -- just don't do the "make install" unless & until you >know how to back it out. Backing it out: If your new kernel won't boot, at the Boot: prompt when FreeBSD first starts, type "kernel.GENERIC" or "kernel.old" (without the quotes) and press enter. Presto, you've backed out. Then try again, or follow the instructions in the handbook on how to copy kernel.GENERIC back to kernel. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 18:42:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA07008 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:42:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06992 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:42:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from Pentium_PC (dialup127.serv.net [205.153.153.156]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA08078; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980612184224.007e8b20@mx.serv.net> X-Sender: fewtch@mx.serv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:42:24 -0700 To: XDrAcOX@mci2000.COM, newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Tim Gerchmez Subject: Re: Installing X-Windows In-Reply-To: <3581B36E.C76B5891@mci2000.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You need to install some of the "packages" included in the distribution. Try fvwm95 for a start, or qvwm. Those are fairly decent X clients. If you want to get REALLY fancy and have fast hardware, try Enlightenment - funky client, dude... :-) If you have trouble accessing the CDROM to add packages, boot from the boot floppy and select "upgrade an existing system", and re-install the bin distribution only. Then you should be able to access the packages. At 07:02 PM 6/12/98 -0400, DrAcO wrote: >I am new to the FreeBSD "enviroment", and am only 15 at the time so >forgive me if I sound kind of "out of it" right now. I recently >installed FreeBSD 2.2.6 on my laptop (Toshiba 430CDS) and am having >trouble running X-Windows. When X-Windows comes up, it seems like an >older version. When I ran RedHat Linux 4.2, my X-Windows background was >green and it had a start menu, etc., etc. However, my FreeBSD X-Windows >is grey, has no start menu, and the colors are different. The X-Term >windows is actually white! In X-Windows configuration, I have selected >the right graphics card, screen resolution, and everything is correct, >but when I startx it looks the same. I installed FreeBSD from a >CD-ROM. I was wondering if someone could help me figure out what the >problem is? > Thanks, > John. > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 19:30:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11963 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:30:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA11949 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:30:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA01019 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:30:12 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:30:12 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199806130230.MAA01019@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 6 June 1998) This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ FreeBSD-Newbies is a discussion forum for newbies. We cover any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook344.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. Manuals You'll always be expected show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj.html Other resources [Updated! New links to info on ppp and the X Window System] A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 20:05:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA15522 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:05:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from colossus.dyn.ml.org (dburr@206-18-113-199.la.inreach.net [206.18.113.199]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA15509 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:04:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@colossus.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from dburr@localhost) by colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id UAA10525; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:02:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3581B36E.C76B5891@mci2000.COM> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Computer Help From: Donald Burr To: DrAcO Subject: RE: Installing X-Windows Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My secret spy satellite informs me that on 12-Jun-98, DrAcO wrote: > I am new to the FreeBSD "enviroment", and am only 15 at the time so > forgive me if I sound kind of "out of it" right now. I recently > installed FreeBSD 2.2.6 on my laptop (Toshiba 430CDS) and am having > trouble running X-Windows. When X-Windows comes up, it seems like an > older version. When I ran RedHat Linux 4.2, my X-Windows background was > green and it had a start menu, etc., etc. However, my FreeBSD X-Windows > is grey, has no start menu, and the colors are different. The X-Term > windows is actually white! In X-Windows configuration, I have selected > the right graphics card, screen resolution, and everything is correct, > but when I startx it looks the same. I installed FreeBSD from a > CD-ROM. I was wondering if someone could help me figure out what the > problem is? The problem's not with FreeBSD: the problem is that RedHat Linux did way too much for you. You see, RedHat comes with its own special set of custom window environments, called TheNextLevel. But FreeBSD doesn't -- it just comes with the "default" window manager, called TWM, which, as you've seen, is rather primitive. But the good news is, there is a solution!! FreeBSD comes with many alternate window managers in the ports collection. These can easily be installed in place of the default, with only a few fairly easy commands. Here are some particular favorites of mine: * KDE -- this is my favorite, and the one I use daily. /usr/ports/x11/kde * AfterStep -- a lot of people like this. It's a NeXTstep look-alike. (NeXTstep is the windowing system used on the NeXT workstation) /usr/ports/x11/afterstep * WindowMaker -- another NeXTstep clone. Has its own devoted following. /usr/ports/x11/windowmaker * Enlightenement -- not a clone of anything, but a really cool looking WM. It, too, has its own set of devoted followers. /usr/ports/x11/enlightenment The probem that you mentioned is, unfortunately, a very well-known deficiency in FreeBSD. But it's one that we're trying to fix! For example, as mentioned earlier, we have tons of window managers/environments available in hte ports collection. But, We are also sponsoring a contest for people to actually DESIGN a windowing environment/theme that's appropriate to FreeBSD. We hope to be able to distribute the "winner" as the "default" windowing theme (or, an easily installable "alternate default"). Please see http://www.freebsd.org/~jkh/xcontest/ for more details. --- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD - Turning PCs into Workstations - http://www.freebsd.org/ (NOTE: POBoxes.com appears to be working again -- fire away!) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 20:27:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17621 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:27:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17616 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:27:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01213; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:26:54 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980613132650.15586@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:26:51 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Donald Burr Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: front page? [was: What do people on the list use FreeBSD for?] References: <000b01bd95ea$68bf5f20$92194798@stimpy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Donald Burr on Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 02:28:30PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 02:28:30PM -0700, Donald Burr wrote: > So they bought my roommate a copy of FrontPage, because that way she could > edit it herself, graphically. Unfortunately, none of us knew that > FrontPage needed special extensions on the web server. And also, > unfortunately, our service provider was unwilling to put them on their web > server. So I figured out a rather nice workaround, thanks to Scot > Hetzel's Apache-with-FrontPage port, which obviously came in very handy. > I setup my webserver as a FrontPage server -- my roommate would edit the > pages on it. I set up a periodic cron job that would upload the complete > set of web pages to the ISP, using ftp. This works out extremely well. Huh? This sounds interesting but I can't visualise what it actually does. It sounds like it's not a server with FrontPage extensions but with something else instead. Can you describe what it does a little more? -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 20:42:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA19440 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:42:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from junior.apk.net (stuart@junior.apk.net [207.54.158.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA19423 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:42:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuart@junior.apk.net) Received: from localhost (stuart@localhost) by junior.apk.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA02165; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:41:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Stuart Krivis To: Sue Blake cc: Donald Burr , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: front page? [was: What do people on the list use FreeBSD for?] In-Reply-To: <19980613132650.15586@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 13 Jun 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > Huh? This sounds interesting but I can't visualise what it actually does. > It sounds like it's not a server with FrontPage extensions but with > something else instead. Can you describe what it does a little more? > Sounds to me like apache with FP extensions. They publish to it with FP, then ftp the site up to the regular server. Kind of taking the long way around. :-) It would have been easier to just buy a copy of Pagemill or something. -- Stuart Krivis stuart@krivis.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 20:44:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA19775 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:44:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA19749 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:44:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01268; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:44:12 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980613134408.51504@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:44:08 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Donald Burr Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing X-Windows References: <3581B36E.C76B5891@mci2000.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Donald Burr on Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 08:02:12PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 08:02:12PM -0700, Donald Burr wrote: > The probem that you mentioned is, unfortunately, a very well-known > deficiency in FreeBSD. But it's > one that we're trying to fix! For example, as mentioned earlier, we have > tons of window managers/environments available in hte ports collection. > But, We are also sponsoring a contest for people to actually DESIGN a > windowing environment/theme that's appropriate to FreeBSD. Really? Great! Who's "we"? We haven't seen it here and I can't find anything on the newsflash page. How did people find out about this? What other juicy bits of info are we newbies missing out on? :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 20:47:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA20174 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:47:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA20141 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:46:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01279; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:46:40 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980613134638.19129@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:46:38 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Stuart Krivis Cc: Donald Burr , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: front page? [was: What do people on the list use FreeBSD for?] References: <19980613132650.15586@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Stuart Krivis on Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 11:41:35PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 11:41:35PM -0400, Stuart Krivis wrote: > On Sat, 13 Jun 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > > > Huh? This sounds interesting but I can't visualise what it actually does. > > It sounds like it's not a server with FrontPage extensions but with > > something else instead. Can you describe what it does a little more? > > > > Sounds to me like apache with FP extensions. They publish to it with FP, > then ftp the site up to the regular server. Kind of taking the long way > around. :-) Yeah, me too, except that he seemed to be saying it was something *without* the extensions. That's what prompted me to ask for more details. > It would have been easier to just buy a copy of Pagemill or something. Don't you mean vi? :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 21:00:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21651 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:00:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from junior.apk.net (stuart@junior.apk.net [207.54.158.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21634 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:00:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuart@junior.apk.net) Received: from localhost (stuart@localhost) by junior.apk.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA03864; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:58:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Stuart Krivis To: Sue Blake cc: Donald Burr , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: front page? [was: What do people on the list use FreeBSD for?] In-Reply-To: <19980613134638.19129@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 13 Jun 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > > Sounds to me like apache with FP extensions. They publish to it with FP, > > then ftp the site up to the regular server. Kind of taking the long way > > around. :-) > > Yeah, me too, except that he seemed to be saying it was something > *without* the extensions. That's what prompted me to ask for more > details. That isn't what I got out of it. :-) > > > It would have been easier to just buy a copy of Pagemill or something. > > Don't you mean vi? :-) I suppose vim for win32 would work. I think I'd do the emacs thing before vi if I were using a straight editor for html. I'm lazy, I like Pagemill and Hot Metal Pro. wysiswyg... -- Stuart Krivis stuart@krivis.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 21:31:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA25264 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:31:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.realtime.net (mail1.realtime.net [205.238.128.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA25221 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:30:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jktheowl@bga.com) Received: (qmail 30518 invoked from network); 13 Jun 1998 04:30:20 -0000 Received: from zoom.realtime.net (HELO zoom.bga.com) (root@205.238.128.40) by mail1.realtime.net with SMTP; 13 Jun 1998 04:30:20 -0000 Received: from barnowl (apm7-197.realtime.net [204.96.0.197]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA24511; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:30:18 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:37:25 -0500 (CDT) From: John Kenagy X-Sender: jktheowl@barnowl To: Tim Parkinson cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people on the list use FreeBSD for? In-Reply-To: <000b01bd95ea$68bf5f20$92194798@stimpy> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, Tim Parkinson wrote: > I'm curious as to what people are using their FreeBSD machines for. I know > some people who are complete UN*X nutcases, yet when asked, why they use it > they can't answer. > I was just thinking about specific applications that people had. I use it on three machines at home. All are on a LAN and the server has internet access, providing same for all users. I also run Apache to serve up all the documentation for everything on the systems. HtDig is used to index the documentation on the server (and anything else I put into html) as well as the FreeBSD site (for the latest docs.) Htdig is also used to index and search sites of interest on the internet - putting them into a local database. This way a hit on the local database can go to the internet thru aliasing on user ppp. The other, more prosaic, stuf is e-mail, letter writing, balancing the old checkbook (always 0 ;-)). I also use it to write stuff for work. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 21:56:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28609 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:56:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.pacificnet.net (polaris.pacificnet.net [207.171.0.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28592 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:56:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bear@pacificnet.net) Received: from mustang (pm3g-7.pacificnet.net [207.171.35.56]) by polaris.pacificnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA21497; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:55:48 -0700 (PDT) env-from (bear@pacificnet.net) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:57:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Joey Garcia X-Sender: bear@mustang To: DrAcO cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing X-Windows In-Reply-To: <3581B36E.C76B5891@mci2000.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dood, what you need is a different window manager....it's what makes everything look pretty. Redhat uses fvwm95 I believe, and if you want you can use that too...or you can use KDE which is really neat but takes a bit of work to install, or you can use WindowMaker which I'm trying to install myself at this moment. Can't seem to get the icons working though. *shrug* Anyways...take a look at: www.kde.org www.windowmaker.org www.afterstep.org www.enlightenment.org And choose whatever one looks coolest to you...although right now I'm preferring KDE...but that might change if I get WindowMaker's icons to work right. Peace, Joey =================================================== Joseph Garcia Downey, CA bear@pacificnet.net "Dont drink and drive, you might spill the beer." =================================================== On Fri, 12 Jun 1998, DrAcO wrote: > I am new to the FreeBSD "enviroment", and am only 15 at the time so > forgive me if I sound kind of "out of it" right now. I recently > installed FreeBSD 2.2.6 on my laptop (Toshiba 430CDS) and am having > trouble running X-Windows. When X-Windows comes up, it seems like an > older version. When I ran RedHat Linux 4.2, my X-Windows background was > green and it had a start menu, etc., etc. However, my FreeBSD X-Windows > is grey, has no start menu, and the colors are different. The X-Term > windows is actually white! In X-Windows configuration, I have selected > the right graphics card, screen resolution, and everything is correct, > but when I startx it looks the same. I installed FreeBSD from a > CD-ROM. I was wondering if someone could help me figure out what the > problem is? > Thanks, > John. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 22:11:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00611 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:11:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from colossus.dyn.ml.org (dburr@199-170-160-213.la.inreach.net [199.107.160.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00562 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:10:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@colossus.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from dburr@localhost) by colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id WAA14099; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:08:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19980613134408.51504@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Computer Help From: Donald Burr To: Sue Blake Subject: Re: Installing X-Windows Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My secret spy satellite informs me that on 13-Jun-98, Sue Blake wrote: > Thanks for using NetForward! > http://www.netforward.com > v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v > > On Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 08:02:12PM -0700, Donald Burr wrote: > >> The probem that you mentioned is, unfortunately, a very well-known >> deficiency in FreeBSD. But it's >> one that we're trying to fix! For example, as mentioned earlier, we >> have >> tons of window managers/environments available in hte ports collection. >> But, We are also sponsoring a contest for people to actually DESIGN a >> windowing environment/theme that's appropriate to FreeBSD. > > Really? Great! Who's "we"? We haven't seen it here and I can't find > anything on the newsflash page. How did people find out about this? > What other juicy bits of info are we newbies missing out on? :-) I thought I posted a URL on this. (Buti t wouldn't be the first time that my brain has returned an 'Error 404'.) Oh well, here goes: http://www.freebsd.org/~jkh/xcontest/ Actually, when I said "we", I meant FreeBSD as a whole. I am not actually involved in this -- the people involved are Jordan, Gilad Rom, and Philip Salzman. But it can definitely be agreed on that this thing can only stand to benefit The FreeBSD Project and its users! --- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD - Turning PCs into Workstations - http://www.freebsd.org/ (NOTE: POBoxes.com appears to be working again -- fire away!) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 22:27:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02371 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:27:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02338 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:27:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA01583; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 15:26:44 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980613152638.41226@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 15:26:38 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Donald Burr Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing X-Windows References: <19980613134408.51504@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Donald Burr on Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 10:08:11PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 10:08:11PM -0700, Donald Burr wrote: > > My secret spy satellite informs me that on 13-Jun-98, Sue Blake wrote: > > Thanks for using NetForward! > > http://www.netforward.com > > v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v Huh?? I never wrote that :-) > > On Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 08:02:12PM -0700, Donald Burr wrote: > > > >> The probem that you mentioned is, unfortunately, a very well-known > >> deficiency in FreeBSD. But it's > >> one that we're trying to fix! For example, as mentioned earlier, we > >> have > >> tons of window managers/environments available in hte ports collection. > >> But, We are also sponsoring a contest for people to actually DESIGN a > >> windowing environment/theme that's appropriate to FreeBSD. > > > > Really? Great! Who's "we"? We haven't seen it here and I can't find > > anything on the newsflash page. How did people find out about this? > > What other juicy bits of info are we newbies missing out on? :-) > > I thought I posted a URL on this. (Buti t wouldn't be the first time > that my brain has returned an 'Error 404'.) Oh well, here goes: > > http://www.freebsd.org/~jkh/xcontest/ You did give the URL before, no you're not going crazy (though we'll see what we can do about that). I was just wondering... were you sent to freebsd-newbies to give us that URL and now we're the only people in the world who know about the contest? Or does the whole non-newbie sector of the FreeBSD community know about it already somehow? If so, how did they find out? However it was that they found out, maybe they get other information that way too, maybe other info that would be of interest to some newbies who rely on what they see here. > Actually, when I said "we", I meant FreeBSD as a whole. Aah, so it's not something external; you meant us newbies too :-) > I am not actually involved in this -- the people involved are Jordan, > Gilad Rom, and Philip Salzman. But it can definitely be agreed on that > this thing can only stand to benefit The FreeBSD Project and its users! Sure, it's a great idea! Thanks for letting us know. I reckon all newbies should have a go. Newbies are very creative, and I don't want to win my 12 gig drive too easily. Who wants to be the runners-up? :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 12 23:31:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA07374 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:31:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from colossus.dyn.ml.org (dburr@199-170-160-213.la.inreach.net [199.107.160.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA07364 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:31:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@colossus.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from dburr@localhost) by colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id XAA16520; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:27:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19980613152638.41226@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Computer Help From: Donald Burr To: Sue Blake Subject: Re: Installing X-Windows Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My secret spy satellite informs me that on 13-Jun-98, Sue Blake wrote: >> My secret spy satellite informs me that on 13-Jun-98, Sue Blake wrote: >> > Thanks for using NetForward! >> > http://www.netforward.com >> > v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v > > Huh?? I never wrote that :-) Sorry; that wasn't you. My mail forwarding service (www.netforward.com) subsidizes this free service by selling ad space to people. The ads appear as a three-line blurb at the top of each message that people receive. I don't mind this -- it's but a small price to pay for a lifetime e-mail address. (If I ever change Internet providers, I *don't* have to reprint all my business cards, track down all my friends, etc. -- I just use the Web browser to change what "dburr@POBoxes.com" "points" to. :) ) I just forgot to delete it from the message when I replied. :) > I was just wondering... were you sent to freebsd-newbies to give us that > URL and now we're the only people in the world who know about the > contest? No. I just noticed that nobody had mentioned it here, and I figured that I would mention it, and that responding to that guy's window manager problem message, would be the perfect place to mention it. In fact, the contest is fairly new -- it has only just now started being discussed in freebsd-chat (I believe). So it's definitely in the "get the word out" stage of things. >> Actually, when I said "we", I meant FreeBSD as a whole. > > Aah, so it's not something external; you meant us newbies too :-) Sure. Anyone who is interested in FreeBSD, and is interested in seeing it grow and thrive. >> I am not actually involved in this -- the people involved are Jordan, >> Gilad Rom, and Philip Salzman. But it can definitely be agreed on that >> this thing can only stand to benefit The FreeBSD Project and its users! > > Sure, it's a great idea! Thanks for letting us know. NO problem! > I reckon all newbies should have a go. Newbies are very creative, and I > don't want to win my 12 gig drive too easily. Who wants to be the > runners-up? :-) Technical ability is not the most important skill. In fact, with some of the window managers out there, the technical side of things is practically all done for you. This contest is really much much more of a creative/artistic thing -- picking the programs you want to be in the "default" menus, designing icons and color schemes, and background pictures, etc. And you don't necessarily have to create stuff entirely from scratch -- you can always modify graphics/images/icons/etc. already out there. (Just be sure to observe copyrights, etc.) So listen up newbies -- don't be afraid, don't be shy! That Web site once again is: http://www.freebsd.org/~jkh/xcontest/ --- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD - Turning PCs into Workstations - http://www.freebsd.org/ (NOTE: POBoxes.com appears to be working again -- fire away!) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 13 01:59:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA19469 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 01:59:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA19463 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 01:59:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from Pentium_PC (dialup410.serv.net [207.207.70.11]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA28800; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 01:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980613015739.007e36a0@mx.serv.net> X-Sender: fewtch@mx.serv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 01:57:39 -0700 To: Donald Burr , DrAcO From: Tim Gerchmez Subject: RE: Installing X-Windows Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <3581B36E.C76B5891@mci2000.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:02 PM 6/12/98 -0700, Donald Burr wrote: >* Enlightenement -- not a clone of anything, but a really cool looking WM. > It, too, has its own set of devoted followers. > /usr/ports/x11/enlightenment Yikes! I had to comment on Enlightenment. First of all, don't use it on a 486, it's too slow. Secondly, it resembles a lot of those Adobe Photoshop plugins, seriously! It's SO overly graphical that it's hard to make heads or tails of (it looks like the guy who used to do the Wired Magazine layouts designed it ;-). But I found it to be interesting anyway. Also of mention in FreeBSD is xdm, a windows manager that can help integrate several different X-clients. For those that haven't, try typing xdm while logged on as root (only root can use it). It's pretty cool - the only problem is, it's hard to get rid of - when you exit it, it keeps coming back! The only way I know of to get rid of it is to open a terminal window as root and type 'killall xdm' (without the single quotes). There are probably things you can edit in the config files, too. But give xdm a try once you start playing with some different X clients. BTW, something to watch out for when installing packages... many of them have dependencies on other packages, so if you're downloading and installing from floppies or a DOS partition rather than installing from CD-ROM, you may find yourself going back over and over to download more stuff that's needed. Another reason to get a CDROM I guess (sigh... I'm SO cheap... if I can get it free off the Net, I won't pay... :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 13 02:45:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA23500 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 02:45:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA23490 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 02:44:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA19040; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:13:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19980612001301.30267@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:13:01 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Nik Clayton , angussf@geoapps.com, newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: *BSD flavours? References: <199806100600.XAA10032@baygull.rtd.com> <19980611004224.07077@nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <19980611004224.07077@nothing-going-on.org>; from Nik Clayton on Thu, Jun 11, 1998 at 12:42:24AM +0100 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 11, 1998 at 12:42:24AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > In FreeBSD's case this was via BSD386. FreeBSD started off as 386BSD + ^^^^^^ > intervening time there has been a lot of 'cross pollenisation' ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I have no idea what I was thinking when I wrote that (except, possibly, "It's time for bed."). N -- You are in a maze of twisty signature files all the same. -- You are in a maze of twisty signature files all alike. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 13 02:46:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA23644 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 02:46:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA23632 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 02:46:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA18875; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:11:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19980612001144.26368@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:11:44 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Sue Blake , Nik Clayton Cc: Marty Poulin , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing X References: <19980606074507.47760@welearn.com.au> <19980611002930.45363@nothing-going-on.org> <19980612074543.31873@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <19980612074543.31873@welearn.com.au>; from Sue Blake on Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 07:45:43AM +1000 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 07:45:43AM +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > On Thu, Jun 11, 1998 at 12:29:30AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 10, 1998 at 11:12:45AM -0400, Marty Poulin wrote: > > > Ok - what would be *really* helpful would be some sort of instructions > > > on how to install X. Is it available as a package or a port, what is > > > needed in preparation, where to get it... - a complete break > > > down of the steps required. > > > > Ignoring the issue of acquiring the actual tarballs for X, what's wrong > > with the instructions that come with it at the moment? > > Which instructions? Where? Are they in the Handbook or FAQ? > (It's a while since I've done a new installation) README.FreeBSD that comes with the X distribution (it's not in the FAQ or Handbook, although the Handbook does point you at the documentation on the XFree86 site). README.FreeBSD is > 850 lines in length and contains sections 1. What and Where is XFree86? 2. Installing the Binaries 2.1 Full Install: 2.2 Minimal Install: 2.3 After either Full or Minimal Install above: 3. Installing The Display Manager (xdm) 4. Configuring X for Your Hardware 5. Running X 6. Rebuilding Kernels for X 7. Building X Clients 8. Thanks which seems to be pretty comprehensive. N -- You are in a maze of twisty signature files all the same. -- You are in a maze of twisty signature files all alike. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 13 06:34:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA17770 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 06:34:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.austasia.net (ausns1.austasia.net [203.23.167.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA17738 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 06:34:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from <@joy-gw.melbourne.austasia.net:CyberDealer@cyberjunkie.com>) Received: from joy-gw.melbourne.austasia.net by mail.austasia.net id aa18993; 13 Jun 98 23:20 AEST Reply-To: CyberDealer@cyberjunkie.com MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at mail.austasia.net From: Brett Gray To: Freebsd Newbies List Subject: HTML/Email Frontend for adduser/rmuser/aliases etc. Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:22:51 +1000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <9806132320.aa18993@mail.austasia.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All, I dont know if one already exists (I have spent many hours searching the web and cant find one to date) but I am looking for a HTML or Email 'front end' to allow an authorised/particular user to create/remove users, aliases, and .forward files on a freeBSD mail server. It would only be used on an intranet, not connected to the internet so security is not a major issue. A HTML form based solution is preferable, however I did consider trying to use a received email processed by a procmail recipe but Im not sure how it would be done. Any solutions or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Brett Gray (beatteam@austasia.net) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 13 07:23:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23045 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 07:23:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23029 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 07:23:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05808; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 11:24:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19980613112413.17708@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 11:24:13 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Tim Parkinson , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people on the list use FreeBSD for? References: <000b01bd95ea$68bf5f20$92194798@stimpy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <000b01bd95ea$68bf5f20$92194798@stimpy>; from Tim Parkinson on Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 11:11:04AM +0100 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 11:11:04AM +0100, Tim Parkinson wrote: > I'm curious as to what people are using their FreeBSD machines for. Back in 1994/1995 when I was at university, I started up a project at the student radio station. We hooked up a FreeBSD box containing a soundcard to the network, and started multicasting the station's output around the network. People could 'tune in' with a client I wrote for SunOS. This was version 2.0 of FreeBSD. This was my first experience with FreeBSD -- I'd had a pretty good grounding in the Unix user experience, but this was my first exposure to admin'ing a box, and I had to hit the ground running. As well as serving the audio streams around campus, the machine eventually ended up being the station's web server, mail host, irc server, and sundry other bits and pieces. I also acquired a couple of dumb terminals and hooked them up in to the two studio's so the DJs could pull up the station's record library (also on there, and web enabled due to some Perl I put together), read mail that arrived as they were broadcasting, and so on. Then I left university and got my first job. FreeBSD came with me, and was pressed into service as - My desktop workstation - Internet gateway - Company mail server - Mail -> fax server - Web site development host - NFS server/client - SAMBA server to Win95/NT machines - CAP server to the Macintosh machines - Firewall and probably other bits and pieces. It's not used as much at my current job because we're pretty much a Solaris shop. I do use it as my desktop workstation though. At home, my (single) FreeBSD machine provides my Internet connection. I develop web sites for friends on it, play around with fun and interesting technologies (linking web pages to a Postgres database with PHP is my current challenge) and other general bits and pieces. There's a BT848 TV card in there so I can put music shows on in one corner of the screen, and I plan on experimenting with Amancio's suggestions for how to set up a FreeBSD box+modem+soundcard as an answerphone. N To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 13 07:24:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23232 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 07:24:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23223 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 07:24:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04520; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 11:13:35 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19980613111334.15162@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 11:13:34 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Tim Gerchmez , Donald Burr , DrAcO Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing X-Windows References: <3581B36E.C76B5891@mci2000.COM> <3.0.5.32.19980613015739.007e36a0@mx.serv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980613015739.007e36a0@mx.serv.net>; from Tim Gerchmez on Sat, Jun 13, 1998 at 01:57:39AM -0700 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jun 13, 1998 at 01:57:39AM -0700, Tim Gerchmez wrote: > At 08:02 PM 6/12/98 -0700, Donald Burr wrote: > >* Enlightenement -- not a clone of anything, but a really cool looking WM. > > It, too, has its own set of devoted followers. > > /usr/ports/x11/enlightenment > > Yikes! I had to comment on Enlightenment. First of all, don't use it on a > 486, it's too slow. Secondly, it resembles a lot of those Adobe Photoshop > plugins, seriously! It's SO overly graphical that it's hard to make heads > or tails of (it looks like the guy who used to do the Wired Magazine > layouts designed it ;-). But I found it to be interesting anyway. It's also quite buggy (the 0.13 releases anyway, but that's to be expected) and while you can configure it to look like pretty much anything you want, configuring it to behave the way you want is another matter. > Also of mention in FreeBSD is xdm, a windows manager that can help > integrate several different X-clients. xdm isn't a window manager. At its simplest, xdm is a graphical replacement for getty and login, letting you log in to X straight away, with no intermediate console login and then having to type 'startx' (or whatever you use), although it can do more than that. > For those that haven't, try typing xdm while logged on as root (only > root can use it). Nope. It's meant to be started by root, probably as one of the things in /etc/rc.local (there's a FAQ question about this). > It's pretty cool - the only problem is, it's hard to get rid of - when > you exit it, it keeps coming back! The only way I know of to get rid of > it is to open a terminal window as root and type 'killall xdm' > (without the single quotes). There are probably things you can edit in > the config files, too. But give xdm a try once you start playing with > some different X clients. That's the point. xdm is managing your login, so when you quit X xdm thinks you've logged out, and throws up another login prompt. xdm is great if you've got a few fast computers that people can connect to, and lots more slower workstations running X, and you just want to provide a simple mechanism for the user community to get in to X. It's less useful on a single user workstation (unless you *know* that you're going to be running X as soon as your computer finishes booting, in which case you may as well use it, and put a pretty picture on the "Login" background :-) ) N To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 13 07:27:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23698 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 07:27:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from junior.apk.net (stuart@junior.apk.net [207.54.158.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23644 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 07:27:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuart@junior.apk.net) Received: from localhost (stuart@localhost) by junior.apk.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA00251; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 10:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 10:26:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Stuart Krivis To: Brett Gray cc: Freebsd Newbies List Subject: Re: HTML/Email Frontend for adduser/rmuser/aliases etc. In-Reply-To: <9806132320.aa18993@mail.austasia.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 13 Jun 1998, Brett Gray wrote: > Hi All, > > I dont know if one already exists (I have spent many hours searching the > web and cant find one to date) but I am looking for a HTML or Email 'front > end' to allow an authorised/particular user to create/remove users, > aliases, and .forward files on a freeBSD mail server. CGI and sudo... It would be far easier to do a script and let them work from the command line. Adding and removing users isn't too bad. You can automate that. Aliases and .forward files... If you use aliases and virtuser tables and such ... why bother with .forward files? .forward files are just a way for an individual user to control their mail without needing access to things that could affect other users. -- Stuart Krivis stuart@krivis.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 13 07:50:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA26008 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 07:50:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from junior.apk.net (stuart@junior.apk.net [207.54.158.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25924 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 07:49:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuart@junior.apk.net) Received: from localhost (stuart@localhost) by junior.apk.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA03103; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 10:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 10:49:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Stuart Krivis To: Nik Clayton cc: Tim Parkinson , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people on the list use FreeBSD for? In-Reply-To: <19980613112413.17708@nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 13 Jun 1998, Nik Clayton wrote: > and probably other bits and pieces. All of which simply says that FreeBSD can do just about anything that any other unix can (within the limits of the PC hardware and availability of commercial software.) > It's not used as much at my current job because we're pretty much a Solaris > shop. I do use it as my desktop workstation though. Even then, PC unix can be very cost-effective for certain things. And FreeBSD or Linux are much less expensive than Solaris x86. :-) > and I plan on experimenting with Amancio's suggestions for how to set up > a FreeBSD box+modem+soundcard as an answerphone. I tried this out on my Mac. It was kind of cool to do, but a standard answering machine is a better solution. :-) -- Stuart Krivis stuart@krivis.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 13 08:39:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA01156 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 08:39:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01120 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 08:38:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id LAA04064; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 11:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 11:34:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Brett Gray cc: Freebsd Newbies List Subject: Re: HTML/Email Frontend for adduser/rmuser/aliases etc. In-Reply-To: <9806132320.aa18993@mail.austasia.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 13 Jun 1998, Brett Gray wrote: > Hi All, > > I dont know if one already exists (I have spent many hours searching the > web and cant find one to date) but I am looking for a HTML or Email 'front > end' to allow an authorised/particular user to create/remove users, > aliases, and .forward files on a freeBSD mail server. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/berend/FreEasy.html It does users. Its web based. It needs work :) Chris -- "Linux... The choice of a GNUtered generation." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 13 09:43:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07771 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:43:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpha.chet.com (ala-ca26-02.ix.netcom.com [207.93.42.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07734 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:43:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keithr@ix.netcom.com) Received: from alpha.chet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha.chet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14123; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:43:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keithr@ix.netcom.com) Message-Id: <199806131643.JAA14123@alpha.chet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Sue Blake Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing X In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:11:14 +1000." <19980613091114.46852@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:43:27 -0700 From: "K. Ridge" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry to get in on this late, but I just rebuilt/reinstalled X from scratch after having not done it for a while. I found all the documentation that I needed in my /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc ... I found the files README.FreeBSD, QuickStart.doc, and README.Config especially useful. I built my XFree86 from the ports collection, so I don't know if the documentation will be the same if installed from the CD. KR > On Sat, Jun 13, 1998 at 04:57:10AM +1000, Gary Harris wrote: > > > > > > > Ok - what would be *really* helpful would be some sort of instructions > > > > > on how to install X. > > > > > > Ignoring the issue of acquiring the actual tarballs for X, what's wrong > > > > with the instructions that come with it at the moment? > > > > > > Which instructions? Where? Are they in the Handbook or FAQ? > > > (It's a while since I've done a new installation) > > > > there's a file in the XF86332 ftp directory and a large entry in the > > Handbook on www,freebsd.com. > > Thanks, but it's still not working for me :-( If I can't find this stuff > there must be one or two other newbies who can't either. > > Can you be more specific about the "file in the XF86332 ftp directory" ? > > In the latest version of the handbook on the FTP site all I can see is > the same vague link to www.xfree86.org that's been there for ages. > Two lines, not a large entry. Am I looking in the wrong place? > > When I went to xfree86.org I did find some documentation that I couldn't > see there last time I looked. Either I missed it last time round, or it's > been added since. It is strange, though, that nobody was able to point me > to anything when I asked for links to easy documentation to put on the > FreeBSD Newbies Resources page, and that nobody has suggested any > corrections or additions to that page for easy X documentation. > > And I'm still wishing for something that will help a microsoft newbie who > has just installed FreeBSD from the CD to get from there to actually > *using* X, ie, to the point where they no longer have to be embarrassed > by having the people in freebsd-questions tell them how to put X in their > path, or claiming that some non-existent ~/.x* files should be edited, > how to use the mouse (pasting, extra buttons, etc) and knowing that the > supplied twm isn't all that X does. > > Either once people have X working nicely they become complacent and > forget about the difficulties of others, or I'm missing a lot of stuff. > If I'm being stupid about this probably others will be too unless you > people who do know these things tell us how we can know too. > > Having a web page should mean that no more than one newbie has to be > floundering for doccos. Now I'm doing the floundering and I need all of > you to tell me where I'm stupid, to help stop this happening to others. > What's out there on X that's suitable for us? > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 13 12:26:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA25228 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:26:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.wr.com.au (wr.com.au [203.12.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25209 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:26:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gharris@mail.wr.com.au) Received: from aplyozsq (dialup105.wr.com.au [203.27.69.105]) by mail.wr.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA13050 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 05:25:14 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199806131925.FAA13050@mail.wr.com.au> From: "Gary Harris" To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 05:21:50 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Installing X In-reply-to: <19980613091114.46852@welearn.com.au> References: <199806121900.FAA26941@mail.wr.com.au>; from Gary Harris on Sat, Jun 13, 1998 at 04:57:10AM +1000 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Can you be more specific about the "file in the XF86332 ftp directory" ? > ftp://ftp2.au.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/XFree86/README ftp://ftp2.au.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/XFree86/2.2-RELEASE/RELNOTES http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook.html Item 11The X Window System. Should keep you busy for a while... :-) Cheers, Gary. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary Harris PowWow: gharris@wr.com.au ICQ Pager: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/827286 EMail: gharris@wr.com.au EMail: gharri01@postoffice.csu.edu.au WWW: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/1473/ PGP Public Key available To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 13 13:36:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04750 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:36:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from moving-stone.rutgers.edu (muthur@moving-stone.rutgers.edu [128.6.5.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04708 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:36:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from muthur@moving-stone.rutgers.edu) Received: from localhost (muthur@localhost) by moving-stone.rutgers.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA01572 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 16:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 16:36:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Muthukumar Ratty To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Installing PAO Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I am new to FreeBSD. I installed FreeBSD on DELL latitude XPi laptop.I would like to use AT&T's GIS Wavelan. I installed PAO kernel and 2.2.6 release. I can see the Wavelan driver installed when the system is booted (in the configuration). But i couldnt use the card. Ifconfig says "interface not found". I read the handbook and tried to install form scratch 3 times but in vain. I am sure i miss something. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Muthu. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 13 14:28:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11411 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:28:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11383 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:28:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA03459; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 07:27:45 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980614072740.43591@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 07:27:40 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Muthukumar Ratty Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing PAO References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Muthukumar Ratty on Sat, Jun 13, 1998 at 04:36:23PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jun 13, 1998 at 04:36:23PM -0400, Muthukumar Ratty wrote: > Hi, > I am new to FreeBSD. I installed FreeBSD on DELL latitude XPi > laptop.I would like to use AT&T's GIS Wavelan. I installed PAO kernel and > 2.2.6 release. I can see the Wavelan driver installed when the system is > booted (in the configuration). But i couldnt use the card. Ifconfig says > "interface not found". I read the handbook and tried to install form > scratch 3 times but in vain. I am sure i miss something. Any help would be > appreciated. Wow, FreeBSD on a laptop! I'm envious :-) But first things first... There's a lot of people at freebsd-questions@freebsd.org who can help you if you send your question there. That's where all of the support happens. Also take a look at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ to find out what we do here. By the way, we've been chatting about the different ways that we newbies use FreeBSD. None of us have mentioned using a laptop yet! Would you like to tell us what you're using your FreeBSD for? -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 13 16:31:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22968 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 16:31:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from carriage.chesco.com (carriage.chesco.com [209.195.192.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22955 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 16:31:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bryan@chesco.com) Received: from bryan (mxhyp1x3.chesco.com [209.195.202.22]) by carriage.chesco.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA15763 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806132331.TAA15763@carriage.chesco.com> X-Sender: bryan@pop.chesco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 19:30:22 -0400 To: From: Bryan Seltzer Subject: Re: What do people on the list use FreeBSD for? In-Reply-To: <000b01bd95ea$68bf5f20$92194798@stimpy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At work I use bsdi and wanted to learn more unix. I love a challenge, so my boss gave me 2.1.5 to see if I could install and get it up on my home network, then make it dial into isp. Well after doing that, 3 + weeks later I purchased 2.2.6. I am doing this to enhance my knowledge of unix. Win 95 just don't cut it anymore. I am bored easily To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 13 17:15:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA26886 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:15:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA26877 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:15:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id UAA14173; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:15:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Bryan Seltzer cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people on the list use FreeBSD for? In-Reply-To: <199806132331.TAA15763@carriage.chesco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, Bryan Seltzer wrote: > At work I use bsdi and wanted to learn more unix. I love a challenge, so > my boss gave me 2.1.5 to see if I could install and get it up on my home > network, then make it dial into isp. Well after doing that, 3 + weeks > later I purchased 2.2.6. > I am doing this to enhance my knowledge of unix. Win 95 just don't cut it > anymore. I am bored easily BTW hows it going? Get your ppp and everything running? Chris -- "Linux... The choice of a GNUtered generation." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 13 20:23:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10777 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:23:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from moving-stone.rutgers.edu (muthur@moving-stone.rutgers.edu [128.6.5.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA10745 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:22:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from muthur@moving-stone.rutgers.edu) Received: from localhost (muthur@localhost) by moving-stone.rutgers.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA01994; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:22:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Muthukumar Ratty Reply-To: Muthukumar Ratty To: Sue Blake cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing PAO In-Reply-To: <19980614072740.43591@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > By the way, we've been chatting about the different ways that we newbies > use FreeBSD. None of us have mentioned using a laptop yet! > Would you like to tell us what you're using your FreeBSD for? First of all sorry for posting to wrong list. We are trying to test our mobile computing applications. Thanks, Muthu > > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 13 22:32:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA21485 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:32:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA21332 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:32:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from Pentium_PC (dialup510.serv.net [207.207.70.75]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA20332; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980613223112.007e1270@mx.serv.net> X-Sender: fewtch@mx.serv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:31:12 -0700 To: Nik Clayton , Donald Burr , DrAcO From: Tim Gerchmez Subject: Re: Installing X-Windows Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980613111334.15162@nothing-going-on.org> References: <3.0.5.32.19980613015739.007e36a0@mx.serv.net> <3581B36E.C76B5891@mci2000.COM> <3.0.5.32.19980613015739.007e36a0@mx.serv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:13 AM 6/13/98 +0100, you wrote: >> Also of mention in FreeBSD is xdm, a windows manager that can help >> integrate several different X-clients. > >xdm isn't a window manager. Well, true. Let me restate. It's a Window Manager manager. Better? Actually, my exact words were that it's a "windows" manager (emphasis on the 's' at the end of windows), which is somewhat more true in that it manages X-windows clients (what I was trying to say in the first place). >At its simplest, xdm is a graphical replacement >for getty and login, letting you log in to X straight away, with no >intermediate console login How would you set it up to do that, if *root* has to log in first via the console to start it? I know this isn't the place for questions, but I'm asking you (Nik) personally. Email me the answer personally, if you have it. >and then having to type 'startx' (or whatever >you use), although it can do more than that. Some of the things *I* like about it as a newbie: * It passes pertinent info onto any client it starts, so I don't have to worry about $DISPLAY (which isn't set at all on my system for some reason) and the fact that just about anything I run that's graphical other than the default X stuff says "Can't open display." As a newbie, this problem has been hounding me since I first installed FreeBSD. I've tried passing 0.0, 0.1, :0.0, :0.1, :0, :1, :2, :3 (ad infinitum), unix:0.0, $DISPLAY, $DAMNITJUSTF%$#&*#RUN, anything else you can think of to graphical programs, and STILL the only graphical program that can find and open the display is xinit and the built in X stuff set up in XF86Config. I would prefer to AVOID the login/password stuff altogether in xdm, and really need something other than xdm, but I'm using it for what uses I can get out of it, that is, overcoming a problem I'm having right now getting anything graphical other than the built in FreeBSD X client to run. * It overcomes the problem I'm *beginning* to have remembering the names of all the X clients I have installed :-) * I like the idea in the future of setting up my system to be graphical from start to finish (the 'real' main purpose of xdm). >> For those that haven't, try typing xdm while logged on as root (only >> root can use it). > >Nope. It's meant to be started by root, probably as one of the things in >/etc/rc.local (there's a FAQ question about this). My mistake, only root can START it, that's what I meant (not that only root can USE it once it's going). Sorry I wasn't clear on that. >That's the point. xdm is managing your login, so when you quit X xdm thinks >you've logged out, and throws up another login prompt. Yah, I know, but for someone who just uses it as a program to manage multiple clients, it gets to be annoying and I get to wishing that behavior could be disabled. There should be a way to turn that behavior off, or someone should write an alternative, simpler program that just functions as a graphical X-client integrator, using the system defaults to start up with like xdm does. >It's less useful on a single user workstation (unless you *know* that >you're going to be running X as soon as your computer finishes booting, >in which case you may as well use it, and put a pretty picture on the >"Login" background :-) ) I don't agree. I use it to integrate multiple X clients (I haven't settled on one yet by a LONG shot. I don't want to have to remember the names and parameters of all the various X clients I play with, and xdm is good for making that easier. Anyway, I've said my piece on all this. *For me*, xdm is very useful on my desktop, as it integrates all my X clients. My attitude on what it does/can do/supposed to be used for is "take what I want/need and leave the rest." I could care less about its abilities as a login manager, I'm a single user who would actually prefer no security whatsoever and a DOS-like bootup into FreeBSD (what does a single-user, one person system in a *HOME* need a login/password for, anyway?), and the chooser is the most important aspect of it for me. Fair enough? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 13 22:43:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA22683 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:43:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22606 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:42:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from Pentium_PC (dialup510.serv.net [207.207.70.75]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA20722 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980613224241.007ecb30@mx.serv.net> X-Sender: fewtch@mx.serv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 22:42:41 -0700 To: FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Tim Gerchmez Subject: I did it!! Success! Yes!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I managed to log onto my Win95 box (running an FTP server program) from FreeBSD, transfer some files, etc (via ethernet). Now, I need to get it working the other way around. FreeBSD still doesn't like something about Win95's method of trying to FTP to it. I've tried multiple FTP clients on WIn95; none of them work. I suspect something's set up wrong on FreeBSD as far as the ftp daemon goes. Anyone have any ideas? (OK, OK, not the place for questions, but this was MAINLY a cheer for myself and a pat on the back, not a question post). No list admins getting on my case, please :-) Tim fewtch@serv.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 14 00:00:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA29251 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 00:00:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29144 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 00:00:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pirat@oaep.go.th) Received: from parwati.oaep.go.th (slip202-135-22-110.sy.au.ibm.net [202.135.22.110]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA78716; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 06:59:51 GMT Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 14:01:13 +0700 (ICT) From: pirat sriyotha To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG cc: Tim Gerchmez Subject: Re: I did it!! Success! Yes!! In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980613224241.007ecb30@mx.serv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 13 Jun 1998, Tim Gerchmez wrote: > I did it!! Success! Yes!! > congratulation !! > > I managed to log onto my Win95 box (running an FTP server program) from > FreeBSD, transfer some files, etc (via ethernet). how do you do this, sorry this is not a question but astonish. as i know, one can ftp from 95 to bsd machine only but on the reverse way one can not do it with out error. now a knid of request instead. would you please propagate or show us what you have done in you net'work' in order for all newbies to get it. thanks pirat sriyotha pirat@center.oaep.go.th >Now, I need to get it > working the other way around. FreeBSD still doesn't like something about > Win95's method of trying to FTP to it. I've tried multiple FTP clients on > WIn95; none of them work. I suspect something's set up wrong on FreeBSD as > far as the ftp daemon goes. Anyone have any ideas? > > (OK, OK, not the place for questions, but this was MAINLY a cheer for > myself and a pat on the back, not a question post). No list admins getting > on my case, please :-) > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message