From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 12 08:04:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02631 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:04:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.austasia.net (ausns1.austasia.net [203.23.167.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA02622 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:04:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from CyberDealer@CyberJunkie.com) Message-Id: <199807121504.IAA02622@hub.freebsd.org> Received: (qmail 15477 invoked from network); 12 Jul 1998 14:00:33 -0000 Received: from ppp11.melbourne.austasia.net (HELO pc00) (@203.23.160.111) by ausns1.austasia.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 1998 14:00:33 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Brett Gray" To: "Freebsd Newbies List" Subject: Various Error Messages Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 01:02:54 +1000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All, Can anyone tell me what the following messages mean???? Jul 9 13:00:16 mail /kernel: stray irq 7 Jul 9 13:00:16 mail /kernel: too many stray irq 7's; not logging any more and............. Jul 10 10:04:11 gateway /kernel: sio1: 1 more silo overflow (total 1) Jul 10 11:11:45 gateway /kernel: sio1: 1 more silo overflow (total 2) and............. Jul 10 10:32:25 gateway routed[66]: punt RTM_LOSING without gateway Jul 10 10:37:45 gateway last message repeated 5 times are any of these detrimental to the system? Other than these everything runs PERFECTLY! The first message is off one FBSD box, the second two are off another FBSD box. Any suggestions/answer gratefully accepted..... Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 12 08:38:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA06114 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:38:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from river.netrover.com (river.netrover.com [204.50.56.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA06107; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:38:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eletech@netrover.com) Received: from netrover.com (qc1-38.netrover.com [198.168.87.38]) by river.netrover.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19903; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35A8D850.5D23C1EB@netrover.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:37:53 -0400 From: Nicolas Blais Organization: Elemental Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ranish@intercom.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Partition problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I have used to have just one partition with Win95, and I wanted freeBSD so I shorted my windows partition of 300 megs and everything is write in FDISK, it reports that the FAT-32 now has 800 megs. The problem is that windows still thinks it has 1100 megs and I can't install FreeBSD. I know a format would do but I don't want to loose everything, is there a way to tell windows it has only 800 megs and not 1100 megs? Thanks, Nicolas Blais To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 12 15:13:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18708 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:13:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns3.quik.com (ns3.quik.com [209.80.13.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18693 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:13:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rchill@wf.quik.com) Received: from jasoom.rchill.net (ip24-39.wf.quik.com [207.38.39.24]) by ns3.quik.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA12592; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:13:39 GMT Received: from barsoom (barsoom.rchill.net [192.168.57.20]) by jasoom.rchill.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA02180; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:11:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rchill@wf.quik.com) From: "Robert C. Hill" To: "Nicolas Blais" Cc: "FreeBSD-Newbies" Subject: RE: Partition problem Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:12:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000701bdade2$2f55acc0$1439a8c0@barsoom.rchill.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <35A8D850.5D23C1EB@netrover.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello Nicolas, If anyone has another solution to this, I would be greatful! The only way that I solved this problem was to install another hard drive `Dangerously' dedicated to FBSD. - ----------------------- Robert C. Hill PGP Public Key: http://www.wf.quik.com/rchill/pers/rchill.asc > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Nicolas Blais > Sent: Sunday, July 12, 1998 10:38 > To: ranish@intercom.com; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; > freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Partition problem > > > Hi, > I have used to have just one partition with Win95, and I wanted freeBSD > so I shorted my windows partition of 300 megs and everything is write in > FDISK, it reports that the FAT-32 now has 800 megs. > The problem is that windows still thinks it has 1100 megs and I can't > install FreeBSD. I know a format would do but I don't want to loose > everything, is there a way to tell windows it has only 800 megs and not > 1100 megs? > > Thanks, Nicolas Blais > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNak0zIwZoewERLg1EQLodwCgshpdgHbEZFeT2BBgyUNMDCjeppIAoM1z ukDh+W739uGxpAjkj81Vmzp6 =HPQP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 12 16:12:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29013 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:12:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28925 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:12:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27029; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:43:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19980712234321.55666@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:43:21 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: New to FreeBSD but not to Linux? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks, Is there anyone in the audience who is new to FreeBSD but not new to Linux? One of the things missing in the documentation set is a "FreeBSD for the Linux user" document, which covers things that might confuse the average Linux user when moving to FreeBSD. Things like (off the top of my head) * The default user shell is not bash. * System configuration is mostly through /etc/rc.local * Why /etc/rc.d doesn't exist, but why /usr/local/etc/rc.d does. and probably lots more (it's been ages since I last used a Linux system) Would anyone here be able to help out with this? Don't worry if you don't know SGML and how the Documentation Project manages text, I'm happy to do that bit myself (and/or talk you through how to do it). Right now it'd just be great to get some content. Any takers? The more the merrier. N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 12 16:13:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29196 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:13:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29109 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:13:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA26500; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:39:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19980712233901.56375@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:39:01 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: CyberDealer@CyberJunkie.com, Freebsd Newbies List Subject: Re: Various Error Messages References: <199807121504.IAA02622@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199807121504.IAA02622@hub.freebsd.org>; from Brett Gray on Mon, Jul 13, 1998 at 01:02:54AM +1000 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 13, 1998 at 01:02:54AM +1000, Brett Gray wrote: > Can anyone tell me what the following messages mean???? Questions like this should be asked on the -questions mailing list, where you are likely to get more informative answers than the following. > Jul 9 13:00:16 mail /kernel: stray irq 7 > Jul 9 13:00:16 mail /kernel: too many stray irq 7's; not logging any more Your printer and soundcard (if you have one) are probably clashing. The -questions mailing list archives (try using the error message as your search string) can probably tell you how to fix it. > Jul 10 10:04:11 gateway /kernel: sio1: 1 more silo overflow (total 1) > Jul 10 11:11:45 gateway /kernel: sio1: 1 more silo overflow (total 2) Your serial connection is running too fast for the speed of your machine (probably, the folks in -questions can probably be more specific). > Jul 10 10:32:25 gateway routed[66]: punt RTM_LOSING without gateway > Jul 10 10:37:45 gateway last message repeated 5 times You're using dial-up PPP *and* running routed. The folks in -questions can tell you why this is a bad idea, or, if my guess is wrong, what you're doing wrong. N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 13 10:25:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00182 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:25:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00169 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:25:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA08948; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:24:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:24:47 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199807131724.KAA08948@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: New to FreeBSD but not to Linux? In-Reply-To: <19980712234321.55666@nothing-going-on.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:43:21 +0100 >From: Nik Clayton >Is there anyone in the audience who is new to FreeBSD but not new to >Linux? Dunno about that, but there are certainly some of us who are (relatively, by now) new to FreeBSD, but not to non-PC UNIX-ish systems (such as Solaris 2, SunOS 4.x, IRIX, HP/UX,...) >One of the things missing in the documentation set is a "FreeBSD >for the Linux user" document, which covers things that might confuse >the average Linux user when moving to FreeBSD. Given my stated perception, it probably comes as no surprise that although I think that might be useful, I would find something that documents the idiosyncracies of PC hardware & how FreeBSD was contorted as a result of needing to deal with it far more useful. Naturally, my (mis-)adventures adequately demonstrate that I'm nowhere near qualified to rationally discuss the topic.... :-( [Hint -- I just sent off a note to -questions yesterday, describing some of what I went through a couple of days ago. For those not subscribed to -questions, it's archived. The subject is "Re: SCSI "device wiring" query"; message-id is "<199807130354.UAA06193@pau-amma.whistle.com>"; I sent it Sun, 12 Jul 1998 20:54:12 -0700 (PDT).] david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 14 13:03:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05075 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:03:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zephyr.cybercom.net (zephyr.cybercom.net [209.21.146.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05025; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:03:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ksmm@threespace.com) Received: from shell1.cybercom.net (ksmm@shell1.cybercom.net [209.21.136.6]) by zephyr.cybercom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA27261; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ksmm@localhost) by shell1.cybercom.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA14358; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:03:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.cybercom.net: ksmm owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 16:03:12 -0400 (EDT) From: The Classiest Man Alive X-Sender: ksmm@shell1.cybercom.net To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Did you guys read Jordan's editorial on the free software movement? It's at http://editorials.freshmeat.net/jordan980713. Makes some valid points, and apparently serves as good therapy for Jordan, who's obviously had his fair share of frustration since 1993. I guess the Red Hat logo in the lower right corner of the page stands as a testament to his commitment towards unity in free software. :-) K.S. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 14 17:25:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10001 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:25:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09968 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:25:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02337; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:25:37 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980715102533.57907@welearn.com.au> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:25:33 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Using freebsd-questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Recently a few people have mentioned being surprised by some of the responses they get to questions posted to freebsd-questions. I'm going to try to put this into perspective so that you can make sense of the range of interactions you'll see there. (Note to those easily impressed: this is all personal opinion) When someone answers a question they convey two kinds of information: technical and social. Being unix types [and here I duck the flames :-)] they tend to express the technical and be unaware of the social messages that come through at the same time. Add to this the fact that the -questions subscribers are an enormous group showing the expected range of human diversity in any large group, including making mistakes and needing to learn sometimes, and you'll see that we've got an exceptionally good bunch of volunteer supporters. Compared to similar newsgroups or mailing lists for other systems, they're very well behaved towards newbies and give reliable information promptly. I'd like to see it stay that way. The technical side of answers works really well. Generally nobody answers unless they really know what they're talking about. If there are several possible answers you're likely to get them all, along with help to decide which way is best for you. If any of these answers contains an error, someone will follow up pretty quick and correct it. Similar support groups that I've seen elsewhere are plagued by people giving wrong advice, which to a newbie is worse than no advice. This doesn't happen here. Someone new to freebsd-questions might give a half-baked answer once in a while, but peer pressure quickly teaches them that FreeBSD people don't do guesses. The social side is largely ignored, but to us as insecure newbies it can be the most salient feature of our visit to freebsd-questions. Again, here we are pretty lucky. The guys who answer most of the questions (you know who they are) do so with a level of courtesy and understanding that is not easily found elsewhere. They do it because they want to help, not to make themselves indispensable heroes, never to show off or put anyone down, and that comes across whether they are aware of it or not. In any large group of people there will be a few who excel, and a few who are too new to understand the social environment, or who are there for the wrong reasons. On rare occasions you might encounter someone answering questions who is misguided, insensitive, or plain wrong. If this happens to you, please don't take it as an indication of the general feeling of those who help in -questions. Hang around and you'll see that they are far from typical, nor do they represent the established FreeBSD spirit of quality help for anyone who shows they're trying. They need time to learn the social ropes, just like we need time to learn the technical ropes. There's no reason to let it upset you; it's their problem, not yours. Ignore them and show your appreciation for the pleasant majority. Never doubt yourself, and let your behaviour as a confident newbie speak for all newbies. Even the experts can make mistakes, and they will learn from their own peers soon enough if we give them the chance to try. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 14 19:32:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA28554 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:32:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA28549 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:32:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pirat@center.oaep.go.th) Received: from parwati.oaep.go.th (slip202-135-22-79.sy.au.ibm.net [202.135.22.79]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA51666; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:31:39 GMT Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:30:47 +0700 (ICT) From: pirat sriyotha X-Sender: pirat@parwati.oaep.go.th To: Sue Blake cc: Subject: Re: Using freebsd-questions In-Reply-To: <19980715102533.57907@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:25:33 +1000 > From: Sue Blake > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Using freebsd-questions > > Recently a few people have mentioned being surprised by some of the > responses they get to questions posted to freebsd-questions. > I'm going to try to put this into perspective so that you can make > sense of the range of interactions you'll see there. > (Note to those easily impressed: this is all personal opinion) > > When someone answers a question they convey two kinds of information: > technical and social. Being unix types [and here I duck the flames :-)] > they tend to express the technical and be unaware of the social > messages that come through at the same time. > > Add to this the fact that the -questions subscribers are an enormous > group showing the expected range of human diversity in any large group, > including making mistakes and needing to learn sometimes, and you'll > see that we've got an exceptionally good bunch of volunteer supporters. > Compared to similar newsgroups or mailing lists for other systems, > they're very well behaved towards newbies and give reliable information > promptly. I'd like to see it stay that way. > > The technical side of answers works really well. Generally nobody > answers unless they really know what they're talking about. If there > are several possible answers you're likely to get them all, along with > help to decide which way is best for you. If any of these answers > contains an error, someone will follow up pretty quick and correct it. > Similar support groups that I've seen elsewhere are plagued by people > giving wrong advice, which to a newbie is worse than no advice. This > doesn't happen here. Someone new to freebsd-questions might give a > half-baked answer once in a while, but peer pressure quickly teaches > them that FreeBSD people don't do guesses. > > The social side is largely ignored, but to us as insecure newbies it > can be the most salient feature of our visit to freebsd-questions. > Again, here we are pretty lucky. The guys who answer most of the > questions (you know who they are) do so with a level of courtesy and > understanding that is not easily found elsewhere. They do it because > they want to help, not to make themselves indispensable heroes, never > to show off or put anyone down, and that comes across whether they are > aware of it or not. > > In any large group of people there will be a few who excel, and a few > who are too new to understand the social environment, or who are there > for the wrong reasons. On rare occasions you might encounter someone > answering questions who is misguided, insensitive, or plain wrong. > > If this happens to you, please don't take it as an indication of the > general feeling of those who help in -questions. Hang around and you'll > see that they are far from typical, nor do they represent the > established FreeBSD spirit of quality help for anyone who shows they're > trying. They need time to learn the social ropes, just like we need > time to learn the technical ropes. There's no reason to let it upset > you; it's their problem, not yours. Ignore them and show your > appreciation for the pleasant majority. Never doubt yourself, and let > your behaviour as a confident newbie speak for all newbies. Even the > experts can make mistakes, and they will learn from their own peers > soon enough if we give them the chance to try. > > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > thanks for your informations. rgds, Pirat Sriyotha pirat@center.oaep.go.th To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 14 21:58:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16710 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:58:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA16703 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:58:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from desktop-pentium (dialup416.serv.net [207.207.70.17]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA15589 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980714215744.00806280@mx.serv.net> X-Sender: fewtch@mx.serv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:57:44 -0700 To: From: Tim Gerchmez Subject: He's baaaaaack... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I'm back from a 2-week ban on posting to these mailing lists (and quite a bit chastened as well). I'd like to openly apologize for my immature behavior here (no, I wasn't asked to say this). Instead of going on and on about receiving Emails from a certain person, I could have simply set my Email filters and been done with it. I apologize for dragging this list off topic, and for causing a general atmosphere of hate and discontent. I give you all my word that it won't happen again. Now, on to FreeBSD... I'm DYING for the 3.0 release to come out! Anyone have any word on when a possible release date might be for FreeBSD 3.0-release version? I have this craving to wipe 2.2.6 and install the 3.0-SNAP release that I keep resisting, and don't know how much longer I'll be able to hold off :-)... if anyone here has read the changes they've made to the kernel, it looks like it's going to really be significantly faster than 2.2.6.. and it will finally have support for VFAT and FAT32, which means all long filenames on a mounted Win95 partition will be visible to the OS. At last... This will make installing packages much easier for me, since I'm using a downloaded version of FreeBSD, not a CD-ROM. I also installed FreeBSD recently, along with X-Windows and some packages, on a 200 meg hard drive (my workshop PC). Amazing what you can do when you really want to (and have heard a few suggestions on how to do it). I only have about 30% of the disk space left to add anything else, but it's a usable system with an accelerated X-server on board. Tim -- My web site starts at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html - lots of goodies for everyone, have a look if you have the time. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 14 21:58:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16735 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:58:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA16729 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:58:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from desktop-pentium (dialup416.serv.net [207.207.70.17]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA15605 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980714215811.00803870@mx.serv.net> X-Sender: fewtch@mx.serv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:58:11 -0700 To: From: Tim Gerchmez Subject: Don't log onto current.freebsd.org... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Don't do it! Don't even log on. When you see the hundreds of new packages, updates to current packages, kernel fixes and amazing new additions, improvements to the base OS, etc, you will gnash your teeth to the gumline. Don't make the same mistake I did and log onto that server. 3.0 is going to be INCREDIBLE, just take my word for it. "When, oh when, is 3.0-current coming out? Help me, children, help me...." I wish I was a C/Perl programmer and could help in the development of FreeBSD... alas, I'm only a newbie dying for the hottest new FreeBSD improvements and banging my head against the wall... I need a carpenter to fix that hole... Tim -- My web site starts at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html - lots of goodies for everyone, have a look if you have the time. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 15 01:38:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14481 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:38:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from colossus.dyn.ml.org (dburr@206-18-115-116.la.inreach.net [206.18.115.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA14474 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:38:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@colossus.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from dburr@localhost) by colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id BAA19356; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:36:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980714215744.00806280@mx.serv.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:36:53 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Computer Help From: Donald Burr To: Tim Gerchmez , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: He's baaaaaack... Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My secret spy satellite informs me that on 15-Jul-98, Tim Gerchmez wrote: > faster > than 2.2.6.. and it will finally have support for VFAT and FAT32, which > means all long filenames on a mounted Win95 partition will be visible to > the OS. At last... This will make installing packages much easier for If you can't wait for 3.0, and want VFAT/FAT32 support *NOW*, go on to: http://members.aol.com/hyama99/ and download the files that are there. These are patches against 2.2.x that add VFAT and FAT32 support to it. The patches are really easy to apply, and probably won't take you longer than 30 minutes to get up and running (plus however long it takes your particular machine to recompile the kernel). These seem to be extremely stable, well tested patches. I've been using them for quite a while, and have not noticed anything bad. --- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD - Turning PCs into Workstations - http://www.freebsd.org/ (NOTE: POBoxes.com appears to be working again -- fire away!) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 15 01:46:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA15161 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:46:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from colossus.dyn.ml.org (dburr@206-18-115-116.la.inreach.net [206.18.115.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA15154 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:46:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@colossus.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from dburr@localhost) by colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id BAA19645; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:46:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980714215811.00803870@mx.serv.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Computer Help From: Donald Burr To: Tim Gerchmez , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Don't log onto current.freebsd.org... Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My secret spy satellite informs me that on 15-Jul-98, Tim Gerchmez wrote: > I wish I was a C/Perl programmer and could help in the development of > FreeBSD... alas, I'm only a newbie dying for the hottest new FreeBSD > improvements and banging my head against the wall... I need a carpenter > to > fix that hole... This goes to EVERYONE, not just Tim. You don't have to be a hotshot programmer to help out with FreeBSD. There are plenty of things that DON'T require programming abilities that FreeBSD still needs a lot of help on. These include: * DOCUMENTATION. We need documentation! Just take a look at the FAQ or the Handbook (*especially* the Handbook) and you'll see a lot of sections that are not the easiest/clearest to read, are missing some parts, or are just plain missing entirely. Plus, IMHO, FreeBSD needs a lot of smaller "HOW-TO" type documents, similar to what the Linux people have, that guide the user through setting up ONE specific thing (e.g. PPP, DNS, et al). If you know how to do the task (ex. setting up PPP), and you know English, that's all you need. (Even if you don't know English, FreeBSD *NEEDS* documentation in other languages too!) Some people say "wow, the documentation is written in TeX or SGML (or some other weirdo format) that I don't know. But, you don't need to nkow how to use SGML, *roff, postscript, or any of the other documentation writing languages out there. You can always write your stuff in plain ASCII text, Microsoft Word, or whatever, and someone else [for example, myself] would be happy to convert it into the appropriate format. * PORTS. FreeBSD could always use more applications in the Ports tree. If ou found a cool program out there, that you managed to install yourself, write a port for it!! It's really not that hard, and the Handbook has an excellent section on how to do one, that basically holds your hand right through the whole process. * ADVOCACY. Plain and simple, FreeBSD is not a household word yet. Linux is much more in that direction than FreeBSD is -- ask a corporation's IS department if they've heard of Linux, they will probably say "yes." We need the word out -- if the company where you work needs a quick Internet solution (e.g. a webserver, mailserver, whatever), go to the IS department and preach FreeBSD. Give them a copy of your CD (this is a GREAT use for older FreeBSD CD's -- if you bought 2.2.6 and you still have 2.2.5 sitting around, hand it over! They don't necessarily need to see the latest and greatest, just for a demo. * QUESTION ANSWERERS. We always need folks that read the mailing lists and can respond to people's questions. This is a great way to show off your knowledge -- if you, after 130 hours of sweating over man pages and config files, FINALLY got ppp working, then show off!! -- find a message like "Help! Can't get ppp set up!" and respond to it! These are just a few ideas right off the top of my head. But it just proves the point that you don't need to be a pointy head in order to help out with The Project. --- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD - Turning PCs into Workstations - http://www.freebsd.org/ (NOTE: POBoxes.com appears to be working again -- fire away!) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 15 02:27:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA19678 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:27:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA19668 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:27:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from desktop-pentium (dialup104.serv.net [205.153.153.133]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA00254; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:18:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980715021720.008097b0@mx.serv.net> X-Sender: fewtch@mx.serv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:17:20 -0700 To: Donald Burr , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Tim Gerchmez Subject: RE: He's baaaaaack... In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19980714215744.00806280@mx.serv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:36 AM 7/15/98 -0700, Donald Burr wrote: >If you can't wait for 3.0, and want VFAT/FAT32 support *NOW*, go on to: > >http://members.aol.com/hyama99/ > >and download the files that are there. Thanks for the tip... I did go to the pages and check them out... I could probably manage to get these patches installed, but it looks rather difficult at my current level of knowledge (definite newbie with unbalanced knowledge (I.E. strong in some areas, weak as a pussycat in others)), and I noticed a couple slightly ominous sounding bugs mentioned. I think I can wait until October 15, when 3.0 is scheduled to be released (who knows, VFAT support might even be in 2.2.7, which is scheduled for release in about a week. At this point I could care less about FAT32 support. But long file names under VFAT I could really use). -- My web site starts at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html - lots of goodies for everyone, have a look if you have the time. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 15 02:35:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA20716 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:35:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA20699 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:35:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from desktop-pentium (dialup104.serv.net [205.153.153.133]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA00578; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980715022727.00809560@mx.serv.net> X-Sender: fewtch@mx.serv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 02:27:27 -0700 To: Donald Burr , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Tim Gerchmez Subject: RE: Don't log onto current.freebsd.org... In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19980714215811.00803870@mx.serv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Donald, I'll take you up on that offer. Over the next couple weeks I'm going to read the FAQ and handbook VERY carefully, find out which sections need beefed up or are "under construction" that I think I could contribute to, and will write some documentation if I find anything. You *will* have to convert to SGML for me... let me know which you would prefer, plain ASCII text (DOS format, not Unix) or MS Word 95 (= Word 6 AFAIK) format. I could even contribute in straight HTML if it would be easier for you to re-markup the material that way (I know SGML is a superset of HTML). Please let me know, as I will be beginning this project soon. I might also consider writing an "Absolute beginner's guide to installing FreeBSD" for those coming from the DOS/Windoze world who are used to handholding, detailing my experiences, what kind of gotchas I've found are in SYSINSTALL, etc). What do you think of that idea? Seems to me that could be something REALLY useful for many, and I would even be willing to post it to my website as well as maybe having it on the FreeBSD site somewhere. Tim At 01:46 AM 7/15/98 -0700, Donald Burr wrote: >* DOCUMENTATION. We need documentation! Just take a look at the FAQ or >the Handbook (*especially* the Handbook) and you'll see a lot of sections >that are not the easiest/clearest to read, are missing some parts, or are >just plain missing entirely. Plus, IMHO, FreeBSD needs a lot of smaller >"HOW-TO" type documents, similar to what the Linux people have, that guide >the user through setting up ONE specific thing (e.g. PPP, DNS, et al). >If you know how to do the task (ex. setting up PPP), and you know English, >that's all you need. (Even if you don't know English, FreeBSD *NEEDS* >documentation in other languages too!) > >Some people say "wow, the documentation is written in TeX or SGML >(or some other weirdo format) that I don't know. But, you don't need >to nkow how to use SGML, *roff, postscript, or any of the other >documentation writing languages out there. You can always write your >stuff in plain ASCII text, Microsoft Word, or whatever, and someone else >[for example, myself] would be happy to convert it into the appropriate >format. -- My web site starts at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html - lots of goodies for everyone, have a look if you have the time. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 15 03:01:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA24071 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 03:01:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from colossus.dyn.ml.org (dburr@206-18-115-116.la.inreach.net [206.18.115.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA24040 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 03:01:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@colossus.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from dburr@localhost) by colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id DAA26165; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 03:00:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980715021720.008097b0@mx.serv.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 03:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Computer Help From: Donald Burr To: Tim Gerchmez Subject: RE: He's baaaaaack... Cc: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My secret spy satellite informs me that on 15-Jul-98, Tim Gerchmez wrote: > VFAT support might even be in 2.2.7, which is scheduled for release in > about a week. At this point I could care less about FAT32 support. But Now that you mention it, I believe I recall Jordan mentioning in irc that he's trying to get VFAT and FAT32 rolled in to 2.2.7. I believe the patches that I mentioned are the ones that are going to be in there. --- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD - Turning PCs into Workstations - http://www.freebsd.org/ (NOTE: POBoxes.com appears to be working again -- fire away!) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 15 08:45:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05432 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:45:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from setup.com.ar ([200.5.103.181]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA05426 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:45:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from soporte@setup.com.ar) Received: from setup-Message_Server by setup.com.ar with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 12:44:37 -0300 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 13:15:06 -0300 From: Maximiliano Eschoyez To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: I love this game!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Newbies: Have someone tried XBill? I've installed it from ../ports/games/xbill/ This game is for X-Windows and it's pretty cool :-) If someone have problems reading this letter, please let me know because I'm writing at work, where we use GroupWise from Novell trough a gateway. Maxi meschoyez@ubp.edu.ar Sometimes Free Software is better than commercial. FreeBSD - The Power to Serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 15 10:06:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14957 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:06:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from intergate.luciamar.k12.ca.us ([209.129.95.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14951 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:06:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dknapp@luciamar.k12.ca.us) Received: from luciamar.k12.ca.us ([172.16.56.7]) by intergate.luciamar.k12.ca.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA13095 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35AC7F6D.424CD4AD@luciamar.k12.ca.us> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:07:41 +0000 From: David Knapp Organization: LMUSD X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Difference between Linux and FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can someone point me to a FAQ or other documentation that describes the differences, in philosophy or design and/or how FreeBSD is better suited to an environment than Linux is (or vice versa). TIA DK -- David Knapp 805 473-4353 PC Network Specialist LMUSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 15 16:45:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06972 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:45:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06963 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:45:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA20494; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:44:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19980716004449.07062@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:44:49 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Tim Gerchmez , Donald Burr , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Don't log onto current.freebsd.org... References: <3.0.5.32.19980714215811.00803870@mx.serv.net> <3.0.5.32.19980715022727.00809560@mx.serv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980715022727.00809560@mx.serv.net>; from Tim Gerchmez on Wed, Jul 15, 1998 at 02:27:27AM -0700 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 15, 1998 at 02:27:27AM -0700, Tim Gerchmez wrote: > I'll take you up on that offer. Over the next couple weeks I'm going to > read the FAQ and handbook VERY carefully, find out which sections need > beefed up or are "under construction" that I think I could contribute to, > and will write some documentation if I find anything. You *will* have to > convert to SGML for me... let me know which you would prefer, plain ASCII > text (DOS format, not Unix) or MS Word 95 (= Word 6 AFAIK) format. Plain text, submitted using the send-pr program so that it can be properly tracked. Please see which outlines the preferred way for people to do this. > I could even contribute in straight HTML if it would be easier for you > to re-markup the material that way Not really, but thanks for the sentiment. > (I know SGML is a superset of HTML). Nope. Should anyone be interested in the technical difference, mail me and I'll be happy to go through it. > I might also consider writing an "Absolute beginner's guide to installing > FreeBSD" for those coming from the DOS/Windoze world who are used to > handholding, detailing my experiences, what kind of gotchas I've found are > in SYSINSTALL, etc). What do you think of that idea? Excellent. I think there might be something like that already, is ringing faint bells. If not (or you want to improve it) then go for it. It's probably worth your while subscribing to the -doc mailing list, if only because Donald and myself can't answer every question or comment, and you'll increase the chances of getting useful feedback if you post there. Of course, when you have documentation that you think is newbie orientated you should definitely post pointers to it here so that other people can look it and make suggestions and comments. See you on -doc. N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 15 17:10:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10490 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:10:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10477 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:10:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from desktop-pentium (dialup612.serv.net [207.207.65.12]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA09993; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980715170637.00802b20@mx.serv.net> X-Sender: fewtch@mx.serv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:06:37 -0700 To: Nik Clayton , Donald Burr , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Tim Gerchmez Subject: Re: Don't log onto current.freebsd.org... In-Reply-To: <19980716004449.07062@nothing-going-on.org> References: <3.0.5.32.19980715022727.00809560@mx.serv.net> <3.0.5.32.19980714215811.00803870@mx.serv.net> <3.0.5.32.19980715022727.00809560@mx.serv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:44 AM 7/16/98 +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: >> I might also consider writing an "Absolute beginner's guide to installing >> FreeBSD" for those coming from the DOS/Windoze world who are used to >> handholding, detailing my experiences, what kind of gotchas I've found are >> in SYSINSTALL, etc). What do you think of that idea? > >Excellent. I think there might be something like that already, > is ringing faint bells. If not (or you want >to improve it) then go for it. What I might want to do is make it specific to FreeBSD and the sysinstall utility, and perhaps even incorporate it into the FAQ or handbook if those who control such things agree. My only concern is the changes that may be made to the install procedures between now and October 15, what with two new releases in the works (both of which I plan to install). I may wait until then before attempting the project. -- My web site starts at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html - lots of goodies for everyone, have a look if you have the time. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 15 17:20:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12379 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:20:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12372 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:20:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA00828; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:16:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:16:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman X-Sender: chrisc@vnode To: Nik Clayton cc: Tim Gerchmez , Donald Burr , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Don't log onto current.freebsd.org... In-Reply-To: <19980716004449.07062@nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Excellent. I think there might be something like that already, > is ringing faint bells. If not (or you want > to improve it) then go for it. http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/install.phtml I am actively taking feedback, suggestions, and anything else helpful anyone can provide about it. I want it to be easy enough for anyone to use to install FreeBSD. Please read it and tell me how I can make it better. -Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 15 17:58:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16573 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:58:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16562 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:58:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from desktop-pentium (dialup729.serv.net [207.207.65.93]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA14049; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980715175426.00813400@mx.serv.net> X-Sender: fewtch@mx.serv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 17:54:26 -0700 To: Chris Coleman , Nik Clayton From: Tim Gerchmez Subject: Re: Don't log onto current.freebsd.org... Cc: Donald Burr , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <19980716004449.07062@nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ahh, so it's already been done. Thanks, Chris, I won't bother to do my own version, then. One comment though: Pay close attention to the 2.2.7 and 3.0 releases coming out between now and October 15th (in fact, install them!) for any changes that might have been made to sysinstall or anything else related that need to be reflected in your documentation. Remember that users will almost ALWAYS be installing the latest -release rather than an older version. At 08:16 PM 7/15/98 -0400, Chris Coleman wrote: >> Excellent. I think there might be something like that already, >> is ringing faint bells. If not (or you want >> to improve it) then go for it. >http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/install.phtml > >I am actively taking feedback, suggestions, and anything else helpful >anyone can provide about it. I want it to be easy enough for anyone to >use to install FreeBSD. Please read it and tell me how I can make it >better. > -Chris -- My web site starts at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html - lots of goodies for everyone, have a look if you have the time. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 15 19:38:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29207 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:38:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from colossus.dyn.ml.org (dburr@206-18-115-43.la.inreach.net [206.18.115.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA29192 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:38:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@colossus.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from dburr@localhost) by colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id TAA25594 for newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:37:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Computer Help From: Donald Burr To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FAT32/VFAT in 2.2.7 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tim, et al, Looks like it's official -- there will be VFAT/FAT32 support in the soon-to-be-released 2.2.7-RELEASE. -----FW: <199807160201.TAA04662@freefall.freebsd.org>----- Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-sys@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs commit: src/sys/msdosfs bootsect.h bpb.h denode.h direntry.h fat.h msdosfs_conv.c msdosfs_denode.c msdosfs_fat.c m sdosfs_lookup.c msdosfs_vfsops.c msdosfs_vnops.c msdosfsmount.h src/sys/sys mount.h jkh 1998/07/15 19:01:48 PDT Modified files: (Branch: RELENG_2_2) sys/msdosfs bootsect.h bpb.h denode.h direntry.h fat.h msdosfs_conv.c msdosfs_denode.c msdosfs_fat.c msdosfs_lookup.c msdosfs_vfsops.c msdosfs_vnops.c msdosfsmount.h sys/sys mount.h Log: MFC: Bring in FAT32 support from -current. Merged by: Hideki Yamamoto Revision Changes Path 1.3.4.1 +65 -22 src/sys/msdosfs/bootsect.h 1.3.4.1 +153 -64 src/sys/msdosfs/bpb.h 1.9.2.2 +92 -41 src/sys/msdosfs/denode.h 1.2.8.1 +63 -26 src/sys/msdosfs/direntry.h 1.4.4.1 +30 -32 src/sys/msdosfs/fat.h 1.10.2.2 +793 -110 src/sys/msdosfs/msdosfs_conv.c 1.18.2.1 +225 -197 src/sys/msdosfs/msdosfs_denode.c 1.10.4.2 +290 -190 src/sys/msdosfs/msdosfs_fat.c 1.7.2.1 +656 -277 src/sys/msdosfs/msdosfs_lookup.c 1.13.2.2 +663 -329 src/sys/msdosfs/msdosfs_vfsops.c 1.34.2.3 +1145 -861 src/sys/msdosfs/msdosfs_vnops.c 1.6.4.1 +126 -52 src/sys/msdosfs/msdosfsmount.h 1.34.2.4 +8 -1 src/sys/sys/mount.h --------------End of forwarded message------------------------- --- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 15 19:43:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29669 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:43:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA29664 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:43:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pirat@center.oaep.go.th) Received: from parwati.oaep.go.th (slip202-135-22-116.sy.au.ibm.net [202.135.22.116]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA37812; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 02:43:28 GMT Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:43:18 +0700 (ICT) From: pirat sriyotha X-Sender: pirat@parwati.oaep.go.th To: David Knapp cc: "newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Difference between Linux and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <35AC7F6D.424CD4AD@luciamar.k12.ca.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, David Knapp wrote: > Can someone point me to a FAQ or other documentation that describes the > differences, in philosophy or design and/or how FreeBSD is better > suited to an environment than Linux is (or vice versa). > FreeBSD is free. rgds, Pirat Sriyotha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 15 19:54:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA00776 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:54:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gutenberg.uoregon.edu (gutenberg.uoregon.edu [128.223.56.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA00768 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:54:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sharding@gutenberg.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (sharding@localhost) by gutenberg.uoregon.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA10144; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:56:40 -0700 From: Sean Harding Reply-To: Sean Harding To: pirat sriyotha cc: David Knapp , "newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Difference between Linux and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, pirat sriyotha wrote: > FreeBSD is free. So is Linux. Sean -- Sean Harding sharding@oregon.uoregon.edu|"It's not a habit, it's cool. http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~sharding/ | I feel alive." NeXTMail OK! | --k's Choice To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 15 20:10:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA03019 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:10:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA03013 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:10:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from desktop-pentium (dialup729.serv.net [207.207.65.93]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA24634; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980715200516.0080bbb0@mx.serv.net> X-Sender: fewtch@mx.serv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:05:16 -0700 To: pirat sriyotha , David Knapp From: Tim Gerchmez Subject: Re: Difference between Linux and FreeBSD Cc: "newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" In-Reply-To: References: <35AC7F6D.424CD4AD@luciamar.k12.ca.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A little oversimplified, Pirat, but basically correct. To be a little wordier: "FreeBSD can be used by anyone and modified by anyone, without having to redistribute the source code to whoever requests it." That's the sense in which it's free, and it's a real sense - it's literally free for the taking and using by anyone who pleases, without charge and without restrictive license requirements. If you buy FreeBSD on CDROM from CDROM.COM, it's more expensive than many of the Linux distributions. Of course, you can download it instead if you have the time and patience, or borrow a CDROM from a friend. There are also other companies that redistribute it on CDROM for less than what CDROM.COM charges, I believe. Now, you didn't really point the guy to a FAQ or any documentation, other than your own one-liner :-)... David, try http://www.freebsd.org as a starting point, and read the FAQ and handbook, and follow some of the links. I think you'll find what you're looking for via that route. At 09:43 AM 7/16/98 +0700, pirat sriyotha wrote: >On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, David Knapp wrote: > >> Can someone point me to a FAQ or other documentation that describes the >> differences, in philosophy or design and/or how FreeBSD is better >> suited to an environment than Linux is (or vice versa). >> > >FreeBSD is free. > > >rgds, >Pirat Sriyotha -- My web site starts at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html - lots of goodies for everyone, have a look if you have the time. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 15 20:12:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA03297 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:12:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA03291 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:12:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from desktop-pentium (dialup729.serv.net [207.207.65.93]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA24832; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980715200757.00814820@mx.serv.net> X-Sender: fewtch@mx.serv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:07:57 -0700 To: Donald Burr , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Tim Gerchmez Subject: Re: FAT32/VFAT in 2.2.7 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:37 PM 7/15/98 -0700, Donald Burr wrote: >Tim, et al, > >Looks like it's official -- there will be VFAT/FAT32 support in >the soon-to-be-released 2.2.7-RELEASE. *Cheer*... one week to go... now, THAT I can wait for. Thanks much for the info. I only noticed mention of FAT32 though in the forward you included, are you sure that VFAT (long filenames on a regular FAT partition) will be there as well? -- My web site starts at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html - lots of goodies for everyone, have a look if you have the time. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 15 20:28:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA05168 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:28:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA05161 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:28:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pirat@center.oaep.go.th) Received: from parwati.oaep.go.th (slip202-135-22-116.sy.au.ibm.net [202.135.22.116]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA105996; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 03:27:45 GMT Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:27:42 +0700 (ICT) From: pirat sriyotha X-Sender: pirat@parwati.oaep.go.th To: Tim Gerchmez cc: David Knapp , "newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Difference between Linux and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980715200516.0080bbb0@mx.serv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Tim Gerchmez wrote: > > A little oversimplified, Pirat, but basically correct. To be a little > wordier: "FreeBSD can be used by anyone and modified by anyone, without > having to redistribute the source code to whoever requests it." That's the > sense in which it's free, and it's a real sense - it's literally free for > the taking and using by anyone who pleases, without charge and without > restrictive license requirements. > > If you buy FreeBSD on CDROM from CDROM.COM, it's more expensive than many > of the Linux distributions. Of course, you can download it instead if you > have the time and patience, or borrow a CDROM from a friend. There are > also other companies that redistribute it on CDROM for less than what > CDROM.COM charges, I believe. > i do agree with you Tim. but i don't have so good, or fluent language to express more words especially in your second sentense of the second paragraph above. i used to spend the whole week end for that job but finally i subscribe to instead of downloading. thanks anyway. > > Now, you didn't really point the guy to a FAQ or any documentation, other > than your own one-liner :-)... David, try http://www.freebsd.org as a > starting point, and read the FAQ and handbook, and follow some of the > links. I think you'll find what you're looking for via that route. > quite a shame. i forgot freebsd home page for FAQs and documents. one more thank. rgds, Pirat Sriyotha pirat@center.oaep.go.th To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 15 21:22:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA10050 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:22:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA10045 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:22:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA01804; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:20:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:20:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman X-Sender: chrisc@vnode To: Tim Gerchmez cc: Nik Clayton , Donald Burr , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Don't log onto current.freebsd.org... In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980715175426.00813400@mx.serv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have to install it in order to get the current screen shots. Its hard to get the uncompressed sysinstall with out installing it. Otherwise I have to do a make release. -Chris On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Tim Gerchmez wrote: > > Ahh, so it's already been done. Thanks, Chris, I won't bother to do my own > version, then. One comment though: Pay close attention to the 2.2.7 and > 3.0 releases coming out between now and October 15th (in fact, install > them!) for any changes that might have been made to sysinstall or anything > else related that need to be reflected in your documentation. Remember > that users will almost ALWAYS be installing the latest -release rather than > an older version. > > At 08:16 PM 7/15/98 -0400, Chris Coleman wrote: > >> Excellent. I think there might be something like that already, > >> is ringing faint bells. If not (or you want > >> to improve it) then go for it. > >http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/install.phtml > > > >I am actively taking feedback, suggestions, and anything else helpful > >anyone can provide about it. I want it to be easy enough for anyone to > >use to install FreeBSD. Please read it and tell me how I can make it > >better. > > -Chris > > -- > My web site starts at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html - > lots of goodies for everyone, have a look if you have the time. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 15 23:07:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19441 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:07:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from colossus.dyn.ml.org (dburr@206-18-115-58.la.inreach.net [206.18.115.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA19435 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:07:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@colossus.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from dburr@localhost) by colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id XAA04560; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:06:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980715200757.00814820@mx.serv.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:06:12 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Computer Help From: Donald Burr To: Tim Gerchmez Subject: Re: FAT32/VFAT in 2.2.7 Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My secret spy satellite informs me that on 16-Jul-98, Tim Gerchmez wrote: > At 07:37 PM 7/15/98 -0700, Donald Burr wrote: >>Tim, et al, >> >>Looks like it's official -- there will be VFAT/FAT32 support in >>the soon-to-be-released 2.2.7-RELEASE. > > *Cheer*... one week to go... now, THAT I can wait for. Thanks much for > the > info. I only noticed mention of FAT32 though in the forward you > included, > are you sure that VFAT (long filenames on a regular FAT partition) will > be > there as well? Yes, VFAT is included in the patches Jordan imported, even though the CVS log message didn't mention it. (These are the same patches that are on that web site I sent you earlier.) --- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD - Turning PCs into Workstations - http://www.freebsd.org/ (NOTE: POBoxes.com appears to be working again -- fire away!) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 16 13:01:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04953 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:01:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vanessa.eliuk.org (pme97.sunshine.net [209.17.178.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04931 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:00:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevin_eliuk@sunshine.net) Received: from localhost (cagey@localhost) by vanessa.eliuk.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA00396; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:56:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cagey@vanessa.eliuk.org) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:55:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kevin G. Eliuk" Reply-To: "Kevin G. Eliuk" To: Donald Burr cc: Tim Gerchmez , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FAT32/VFAT in 2.2.7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Donald Burr wrote: => My secret spy satellite informs me that on 16-Jul-98, Tim Gerchmez wrote: => > At 07:37 PM 7/15/98 -0700, Donald Burr wrote: => >>Tim, et al, => >> => >>Looks like it's official -- there will be VFAT/FAT32 support in => >>the soon-to-be-released 2.2.7-RELEASE. => > => > *Cheer*... one week to go... now, THAT I can wait for. Thanks much for => > the => > info. I only noticed mention of FAT32 though in the forward you => > included, => > are you sure that VFAT (long filenames on a regular FAT partition) will => > be => > there as well? => => Yes, VFAT is included in the patches Jordan imported, even though the CVS => log message didn't mention it. (These are the same patches that are on => that web site I sent you earlier.) => --- => Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your => WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to => Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. => Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. => ----------------------------------------------------------------------- => FreeBSD - Turning PCs into Workstations - http://www.freebsd.org/ => (NOTE: POBoxes.com appears to be working again -- fire away!) Six month ahead of WinNT ;-} Regards, Discover Rock Solid Kevin G. Eliuk Discover FreeBSD http://www.FreeBSD.Org --==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==----==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==-- --==**==-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 16 17:06:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19739 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:06:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19728 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:06:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from desktop-pentium (dialup630.serv.net [207.207.65.30]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA29704; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980716163639.0080e100@mx.serv.net> X-Sender: fewtch@mx.serv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:36:39 -0700 To: "Kevin G. Eliuk" , Donald Burr From: Tim Gerchmez Subject: Re: FAT32/VFAT in 2.2.7 Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:55 PM 7/16/98 -0700, Kevin G. Eliuk wrote: >Six month ahead of WinNT ;-} Good for FreeBSD advocacy, I suppose, but to hell with WinNT from my standpoint. I hate Windows NT 4.0 and would actually rather use Win95 (OSR2, with patches) for most kinds of desktop-type uses, given the choice between the two. Ask anyone with regular NT4 experience on multiple machines about its stability and you'll find that it's a myth. Sometimes NT4 crashes while simply running a screensaver. I personally despise it - I won't have it on any of my machines, period. Oh, did I mention that NT4 is a bloated pig, even in 64 megs RAM? I once did a test on my 64 meg machine, I set up just a 10 meg swap file as an experiment (giving NT 74 megs RAM to work with), and with only Netscape running (with a 1024k memory cache), got an error message that NT was out of memory and to close some applications {boggle}.... -- My web site starts at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html - lots of goodies for everyone, have a look if you have the time. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 16 18:18:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00415 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:18:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA00408 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:18:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from desktop-pentium (dialup630.serv.net [207.207.65.30]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA06282; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:16:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980716181623.00810cc0@mx.serv.net> X-Sender: fewtch@mx.serv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:16:23 -0700 To: Sean Harding , pirat sriyotha From: Tim Gerchmez Subject: Re: Difference between Linux and FreeBSD Cc: David Knapp , "newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:56 PM 7/15/98 -0700, Sean Harding wrote: >On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, pirat sriyotha wrote: > >> FreeBSD is free. > >So is Linux. Linux is free monetarily, but constrained in certain ways by the GPL. In other words, it doesn't cost anything to use, but there are some regulations you have to follow regarding distribution of source code, etc. AFAIK, there literally are none with FreeBSD. It might as well be in the public domain, that's how loose the FreeBSD license is, with the exception of the word "BSD" being owned by someone, if I remember correctly. -- My web site starts at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html - lots of goodies for everyone, have a look if you have the time. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 16 19:19:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06490 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:19:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA06438 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:19:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uusite!ANGUSSF@baygull.rtd.com) Received: from uusite.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) with UUCP id TAA26224 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:19:03 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199807170219.TAA26224@baygull.rtd.com> Received: by sf.geoapps.com (MG PM3-Waf 3.42D); Thu, 16 Jul 98 19:15:25 -0700 (MST) From: "Angus Scott-Fleming" Organization: GeoApps To: The Classiest Man Alive Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:07:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Jordan's editorial Reply-to: angussf@geoapps.com CC: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 14 Jul 98 at 16:03, The Classiest Man Alive wrote: > Did you guys read Jordan's editorial on the free software > movement? It's at http://editorials.freshmeat.net/jordan980713. FYI the URL needs a trailing "/" http://editorials.freshmeat.net/jordan980713/ ---- Angus Scott-Fleming, GeoApplications angussf@geoapps.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 16 19:41:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08408 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:41:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gutenberg.uoregon.edu (gutenberg.uoregon.edu [128.223.56.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08402 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:41:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sharding@gutenberg.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (sharding@localhost) by gutenberg.uoregon.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA14146; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:44:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:44:09 -0700 From: Sean Harding Reply-To: Sean Harding To: Tim Gerchmez cc: Sean Harding , pirat sriyotha , David Knapp , "newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Difference between Linux and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980716181623.00810cc0@mx.serv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Tim Gerchmez wrote: > Linux is free monetarily, but constrained in certain ways by the GPL. In Agreed. I just was basically pointing out the fact that the statement "FreeBSD is free" without any explanation is misleading and will most likely be misunderstood by anyone who hasn't read up on the GPL vs. BSD License debate. And someone who knew about that sort of thing probably wouldn't be here asking about the difference between FreeBSD and Linux :-) It's important to be clear when people are new and asking questions. We should try to avoid misleading or confusing them at all costs. Sean -- Sean Harding sharding@oregon.uoregon.edu|"It's not a habit, it's cool. http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~sharding/ | I feel alive." NeXTMail OK! | --k's Choice To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 16 20:06:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10543 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:06:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA10538 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:06:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pirat@center.oaep.go.th) Received: from parwati.oaep.go.th (slip202-135-22-88.sy.au.ibm.net [202.135.22.88]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA81184; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 03:06:07 GMT Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:06:36 +0700 (ICT) From: pirat sriyotha X-Sender: pirat@parwati.oaep.go.th To: Sean Harding cc: Tim Gerchmez , David Knapp , "newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Difference between Linux and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Sean Harding wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Tim Gerchmez wrote: > > > Linux is free monetarily, but constrained in certain ways by the GPL. In > > Agreed. I just was basically pointing out the fact that the statement > "FreeBSD is free" without any explanation is misleading and will most > likely be misunderstood by anyone who hasn't read up on the GPL vs. BSD > License debate. And someone who knew about that sort of thing probably > wouldn't be here asking about the difference between FreeBSD and Linux :-) > > It's important to be clear when people are new and asking questions. We > should try to avoid misleading or confusing them at all costs. > oh great. sure i understand bsd style license, it is in appendix f of the complete freebsd by greg lehey (second edition). i myself skim over bsd style but roughly. as long as one use freebsd for oneself for educational purpose, for research work, not for commercial, one can say that freebsd is free and so does linux. we care also about license. thanks for your explanation. it bring me to another one step ahead from what i use to be. rgds, Pirat Sriyotha Office of Atomic Energy for Peace Vibhavadi Rangsit road Bangkhen, Bangkok-10900 THAILAND pirat@center.oaep.go.th To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 16 21:37:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17354 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:37:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oso.slonet.org (root@oso.slonet.org [207.114.180.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA17348 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:37:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dknapp@slonet.org) Received: from thor (cas0-120.snlo.dialup.slonet.org [207.114.217.120]) by oso.slonet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA08605 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:32:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "David Knapp" To: Subject: Re: Difference between Linux and FreeBSD Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:56:44 -0700 Message-ID: <01bdb150$0f2317a0$76d972cf@thor> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would like to thank everyone for their responses, and pose the following question - one response I received stated that freeBSD was more secure than Linux, but that Linux had more hardware drivers available for it. To me, that sounds likely, but I would like to hear what others think... TIA David Knapp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 17 02:55:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA11748 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:55:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA11743 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:55:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from desktop-pentium (dialup401.serv.net [207.207.70.2]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA08869; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980717025351.0080fc60@mx.serv.net> X-Sender: fewtch@mx.serv.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 02:53:51 -0700 To: pirat sriyotha , Sean Harding From: Tim Gerchmez Subject: Re: Difference between Linux and FreeBSD Cc: David Knapp , "newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:06 AM 7/17/98 +0700, pirat sriyotha wrote: >as long as one use freebsd for oneself for educational purpose, >for research work, not for commercial, one can say that freebsd is free >and so does linux. we care also about license. Uhhm, not sure if I understood you right here, but FreeBSD *can* be used commercially, completely free of charge, including being altered, WITHOUT having to release source code to anybody. In fact, such commercial use is actively encouraged, because it attracts others to FreeBSD as well (the main goal is to have as many people as possible using FreeBSD!). So can Linux, but source code has to be made available if you make any alterations whatsoever (giving your commercial competitors free access to whatever customizations/additions/enhancements you've made). With FreeBSD, no source code has to be released. That's the major difference between the GPL and the FreeBSD license (I think there are other minor ones as well). Pirat - if you get Usenet, check out comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc for an ongoing discussion on this topic (see Jordan K. Hubbard's posts mostly, and ignore the inevitable Linux Vs. FreeBSD flaming). -- My web site starts at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html - lots of goodies for everyone, have a look if you have the time. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 17 03:16:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA13384 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 03:16:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from colossus.dyn.ml.org (dburr@pm0-27.sba1.avtel.net [207.71.218.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA13366 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 03:16:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@colossus.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from dburr@localhost) by colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id DAA05673; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 03:16:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <01bdb150$0f2317a0$76d972cf@thor> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 03:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Computer Help From: Donald Burr To: David Knapp Subject: Re: Difference between Linux and FreeBSD Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My secret spy satellite informs me that on 17-Jul-98, David Knapp wrote: > I would like to thank everyone for their responses, and pose the > following > question - one response I received stated that freeBSD was more secure > than > Linux, but that Linux had more hardware drivers available for it. To > me, > that sounds likely, but I would like to hear what others think... This is IMHO true. Please allow me to explain my reasoning. FreeBSD is basically a direct descendant of the "original" UNIX. When AT&T licensed UNIX to the UC Berkeley campus during the 70s, UCB used it as a base, and added a lot of their own features. Including networking, for example. This became known as the "BSD" release. So, the networking code in FreeBSD (and networking is where the *real* security concerns lie) has been in there since Day 1, basically. The FreeBSD CD you are holding in your hot little hands Linux, on the other hand, uses no (or almost no) original BSD-derived code. They completely "reinvented the wheel" by writring their own TCP/IP stack. (You can tell because you will see "Swensea University Computer Society TCP/IP version blahblahblah" on the bootup messages.) This code is simply "too new", compared to the "age" of the BSD code, and still has quite a bit to work on, insofar as functionality and, especially, security go. HOwever, Linux *does* have more drivers. This is because Linux has a more open development model than FreeBSD. People can basically write drivers and stuff for Linux, and get them put into the system with little or no fuss. In FreeBSD, this is somewhat more difficult. If you want your work put into it, you either have to become a "committer" (someone with read/write access to the master copy of FreeBSD source code) or you have to find one that i willing to look at your code, test it, and commit it (add it to the FreeBSD sources) if it's worthy. Even so, it is highly unlikely that you will get your code put into STABLE (the "release" branch of FreeBSD); your stuff will, if it is even added, most likely be put into the "CURRENT" (active development, but often buggy) branch of code. Different people prefer different methods. I, for one, prefer the FreeBSD method -- I wouldn't want anyone mucking about in my code, and I'd want something to be at least glanced at before getting stuck in there, and I wouldn't want *ANYONE* mucking around with the supposedly "stable" brancyh of code unless it's pretty damn well tested. IMHO This is why a lot of the Linux "development" kernels (version numbers like x.1.y, x.3.y, etc.) are buggy as hell, and even quite a few "non-development" (x.0.y, x.2.y, etc.) kernels are buggy as well. Whereas, even FreeBSD-CURRENT is (for the most part) "surprisingly stable" , and of course, FreeBSD RELEASE's are rock solid. --- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD - Turning PCs into Workstations - http://www.freebsd.org/ (NOTE: POBoxes.com appears to be working again -- fire away!) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 17 08:45:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22464 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:45:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from setup.com.ar ([200.5.103.181]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA22374 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 08:45:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from soporte@setup.com.ar) Received: from setup-Message_Server by setup.com.ar with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 12:44:39 -0300 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:19:39 -0300 From: Maximiliano Eschoyez To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: WWW Pages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id IAA22419 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Newbies: If someone wants to know about Car Audio in latinoamerica, here is a web page: http://www.automusica.com.ar/ We still building this site, so excuse the problems with pages under construction. This site is build with Netscape Composer and Notepad [under WIN95 - that doesn't mean I like to use :-) ] We use Server Side Includes for index pages and torneos. If someone have suggestions, they are welcome. Remember, my e-mail in the list is 'meschoyez@ubp.edu.ar' (I'm writing at work) Sometimes Free Software is better than commercial. Free-BSD The Power to Serve. Atentamente: Maximiliano Eschoyez SETUP Av. Caraffa 2597 (5008) Córdoba Tel/Fax +54 51 80-0888 E-Mail: soporte@setup.com.ar http://www.automusica.com.ar/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 17 14:26:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26199 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:26:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from binky.demon.co.uk (binky.demon.co.uk [158.152.218.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA26063 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:26:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from maillistsubs@binky.demon.co.uk) Received: from binky.demon.co.uk ([158.152.218.245]) by binky.demon.co.uk with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.0.0.984) id BNKY385456DB for newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:25:26 +0100 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:25:26 +0100 Message-ID: <01BDB1D1.CBE055C0.maillistsubs@binky.demon.co.uk> From: Neil Ford Reply-To: "neil@binky.demon.co.uk" To: "newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: RE: Don't log onto current.freebsd.org... Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:20:00 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, July 15, 1998 9:46 AM, Donald Burr [SMTP:dburr@POBoxes.com] wrote: > * ADVOCACY. Plain and simple, FreeBSD is not a household word yet. Linux > is much more in that direction than FreeBSD is -- ask a corporation's IS > department if they've heard of Linux, they will probably say "yes." We > need the word out -- if the company where you work needs a quick Internet > solution (e.g. a webserver, mailserver, whatever), go to the IS department > and preach FreeBSD. Give them a copy of your CD (this is a GREAT use for > older FreeBSD CD's -- if you bought 2.2.6 and you still have 2.2.5 sitting > around, hand it over! They don't necessarily need to see the latest and > greatest, just for a demo. > Ummm... done this one :-) The place where I work wanted to build an FTP server for it's overseas developers to use rather than have them dial in to the network. Great idea! Don't have to support international dial-up connections and it's cheaper for the developers. Problem 1 They wanted to run it on NT. Why? Because every other server within the division was NT and that was obviously the way to go! (No flames please, just read to the end :-) After much discussion sense was seen and it was agreed that we would do it on Unix. Success you might think, but no... the plot thickens. Problem 2 Having got the Network Manager's buy in (he was actually in favour from the outset. long story) we move onto deciding the actual OS. Wanting to keep the spend low it's agreed that we will use one of the 'free' unixes. Okay think I, things are going to plan.... wrong! To a person they all pipe up and say 'So we're using Linux then'. Okay, uphill struggle number two :-) Did some major explaining, showed them ftp.cdrom.com (and the articles in the newsletters), posed the question as to why a lot of ISPs seemed to use FreeBSD but not many (any?) used Linux. Finally the penny dropped. End result: the ftp server will be implemented on FreeBSD. I even had the pleasure of going and getting a copy of The Complete FreeBSD for them (I think the guy in the bookshop thought I was crazy, I'd only bought mine about two weeks ago :-) Not a major breakthrough maybe, but it is a start. They are now talking about putting a DNS in place and seem to be warming to the idea of not doing that on NT either. So you never know.... Next up: moving all my personal machines over to FreeBSD. Neil. ------------ Neil C. Ford (neil@binky.demon.co.uk) http://www.binky.demon.co.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 17 19:30:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06359 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:30:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA06354 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:30:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA15868 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:30:11 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:30:11 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199807180230.MAA15868@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 17 July 1998) This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ FreeBSD-Newbies is a discussion forum for newbies. We cover any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook345.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 17 19:41:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA07238 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:41:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from engulf.net (engulf.com [207.96.124.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA07232 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:41:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brandon@engulf.net) Received: from localhost (brandon@localhost) by engulf.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA06159 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:39:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Lockhart To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cdrom Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am not a true newbie but have a newbie question, I just installed an IDE cdrom, master on secondary cable. What would the device be named? ,-----------------------------------------------------------------. | //// "Anything I say represents only my opinion." | | (o o) / | | ,---ooO--(_)--Ooo---------------------------------------------, | | | BRANDON LOCKHART | | | `-------------------------------------------------------------' | | brandon.lockhart@usinternetworking.com brandon@engulf.net | | Work: (410) 897-4551 Pager: (888) xxx-xxxx | `-----------------------------------------------------------------' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 17 23:57:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27266 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:57:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA27261 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:57:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA15517; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 02:56:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 02:56:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman X-Sender: chrisc@vnode To: Brandon Lockhart cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cdrom In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org grep CD /dev/MAKEDEV # wcd* IDE CD-ROM /dev/wcd0 would be the correct device. -Chris On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Brandon Lockhart wrote: > I am not a true newbie but have a newbie question, I just installed an IDE > cdrom, master on secondary cable. What would the device be named? > > > ,-----------------------------------------------------------------. > | //// "Anything I say represents only my opinion." | > | (o o) / | > | ,---ooO--(_)--Ooo---------------------------------------------, | > | | BRANDON LOCKHART | | > | `-------------------------------------------------------------' | > | brandon.lockhart@usinternetworking.com brandon@engulf.net | > | Work: (410) 897-4551 Pager: (888) xxx-xxxx | > `-----------------------------------------------------------------' > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 18 01:30:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA02544 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:30:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA02539 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:30:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fewtch@serv.net) Received: from desktop-pentium (dialup430.serv.net [207.207.70.31]) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA16533 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980718013000.0080dbd0@mx.serv.net> X-Sender: fewtch@mx.serv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:30:00 -0700 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Tim Gerchmez Subject: 3 days to go! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Guess what, guys... three days until the 2.2.7 release of FreeBSD. Anyone else here but me have definite plans to install it? :-) Tim -- My web site starts at http://www.serv.net/~fewtch/index.html - lots of goodies for everyone, have a look if you have the time. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 18 16:19:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09308 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:19:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09302; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:19:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from suleyman@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (suleyman@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA00820; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:19:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Seggerman To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG cc: FreeBSD Newbies Mailing List Subject: cdplayer on laptop no sound Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings: I have a laptop (Toshiba Satellite 305CDS) running 2.2.5. I also have 2.2.5 running on my PC. The modem that came with the laptop (Xircom CreditCard 56T) is not supported and I have given up on working around it with an external. Thus I am unable at this time to avail myself of the ports collection. cdplayer is not on the 2.2.5 CD, but I have it on the PC, I must haved downloaded the port, I don't remember. cdplayer works fine on the the PC. What I did was take the cdplayer executable from the PC, put it on a floppy and copied onto the laptop. The cdplayer program runs, it reads from the CD shows the tracks and volume, it stops, plays and pauses and even ejects the CD tray. However no sound comes out of either the little laptop speakers or the headphones when they are plugged in. I am hoping that this can be fixed by doing a MAKEDEV on some device in /dev like speaker or audiopcmcia or if necessary re-compiling the kernel. I don't really know where to look for next. (I tried rplayer from the packages collection on the CD but couldn't even get that to work at all, does it even play CDs?) Any suggestions? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message