From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 9 16:59:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17208 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 16:59:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.bendnet.com (mail.bendnet.com [199.2.205.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA17201 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 16:59:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from samantha@thatonegirl.com) Received: from davenport (pr4-03.bendnet.com [204.245.216.13]) by mail.bendnet.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA03210; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 16:57:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004c01be0c45$3bf8f240$0dd8f5cc@davenport.bendnet.com> From: "Samantha Stack" To: "Nik Clayton" , Subject: Re: TeX problems; Doc. Proj. needs you! Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 16:58:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please remove me from this mailing list. Thanks :) -----Original Message----- From: Nik Clayton To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Saturday, November 07, 1998 1:59 PM Subject: TeX problems; Doc. Proj. needs you! >[ multi-posted, because of x-post limits, to -hackers, -advocacy, -newbies, > and -doc. > > -hackers, because we might have some hackers who know TeX, but wouldn't > think of reading -doc because they don't think they can write. > > -advocacy, for similar reasons > > -newbies, for similar reasons (some of the folks in there are new to > FreeBSD, but not knew to Unix and/or Unix apps) > > -doc, because it's Doc. Proj. related. > > Also posted to comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc. > > Reply-To set back to me, nik@freebsd.org ] > >Calling all TeX hackers, your Documentation Project needs you. > >The Handbook has been converted to DocBook. This process is (bar some >merging from current content) complete. One of the last hurdles is getting >PostScript and PDF versions of the Handbook generated. When that's done, >we can retire the LinuxDoc version (and start working on the FAQ, and >other tutorials). > >I don't know TeX, and I don't have reference materials handy. There's >also a bunch of other Doc. Proj. related stuff that I can do to help >bring others up to speed. So I need your help. > >Briefly, this is how the Handbook is now arranged; > >* The DocBook Handbook is in the doc/en/handbook subdirectory of the > CVS tree. There's a Makefile in there, which should work, as long > as you've installed ports/textproc/docproj -- this is a meta-port > which will pull in all the others. > >* The Handbook is processed by an application called Jade. Jade produces > a .tex file. > >* This .tex file then needs to be used, in conjunction with some macros, > called JadeTeX, to produce a DVI file. The JadeTeX macros also have a > PDF variant. JadeTex needs teTeX v0.9. > >In theory, that's all the pieces that are needed. > >I can sort of get things to work. But there are problems, and I don't >know how to fix them. > >This where I've got to so far; > >* Download and install textproc/docproj from the ports system. This will > give you Jade, the DTDs for the Doc. Proj. (don't worry, you don't > need to know what they are) and supporting applications. > >* Download and install print/teTeX-beta from the ports system (you want > a version which identifies itself as 0.9-YYMMDD). It's large, ~30MB of > required distfiles. > >* Configure TeX with /usr/local/bin/texconfig. > > - Rebuild the ls-R database > > - Change the hyphenation table. Uncomment the British entry (and keep a > stiff upper lip as you do so). > > - Set an xdvi default papertype > > - Set a dvips default papertype > > - In the fonts menu, add global write permissions > >* Fetch the JadeTeX macro package from a CTAN repository, such as > > > > You want the contents of that directory and all the subdirectories, > so somewhere that supports on the fly tarring of directories is > useful. The RCS string in jadetex.dtx should be 2.3 or higher. > >* Install it. It comes with a Makefile, but it's got problems; > > 1. The line > > tex -ini "&hugelatex" jadetex.ini > > doesn't work, there is no &hugelatex. I used &latex. > > 2. It references dsssl.def and isoents.tex. I don't know where > they come from. > > 3. Building pdfjadetex doesn't work, due to problems with > hyperref. > > Ignoring those problems, I can get it to install using the Makefile. > >* Checkout a copy of /doc/en/handbook/ from the CVS repository. You'll > also need /doc/en/sgml checked out (and in the same relative > position in the filesystem). > > Run > > make handbook.tex > > and wait for it to generate a ~5MB .tex file. > > If the "handbook.tex" target doesn't exist, it means I haven't > committed the Makefile yet. Instead, you can run the following > > /usr/local/bin/jade -c ../../sgml/catalog \ > -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog \ > -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/3.0/catalog \ > -c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog \ > -d /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/print/docbook.dsl \ > -t tex handbook.sgml > >* Bump up your TeX limits, since the Handbook's size pushes TeX fairly > hard. In particular, you want these settings > > hash_extra = 60000 > pool_size = 1000000 > max_strings = 70000 > > in /usr/local/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf (adjust the path > depending on your $PREFIX setting). > >* Run > > tex "&jadetex" handbook.tex > > You will see errors go by, but it will eventually generate > handbook.dvi. The generated file has some problems, in particular, > most of the ISO entities (>, ö, and so on) are still in > that form, and haven't been translated. Also, the table of contents > doesn't have the page numbers correct. > > You should also be able to do > > tex "&pdfjadetex" handbook.tex > > to get the PDF version. I can't do this because of the hyperref > problems I outline above. > >If you can get this working, *and* come up with a jadetex port, I'll be >very grateful. > >If you can get this working, and can give me detailed instructions so that >I can write a jadetex port, I'll still be pretty grateful :-) > >Many thanks to anyone who can help with this. > >N >-- > C.R.F. Consulting -- we're run to make me richer. . . > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 9 18:03:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24518 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:03:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cyclops.xtra.co.nz (cyclops.xtra.co.nz [202.27.184.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA24511 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:03:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker (210-55-210-87.ipnets.xtra.co.nz [210.55.210.87]) by cyclops.xtra.co.nz (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA14170; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:02:32 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <199811100202.PAA14170@cyclops.xtra.co.nz> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: "Samantha Stack" Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:02:31 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: TeX problems; Doc. Proj. needs you! Reply-to: junkmale@xtra.co.nz CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <004c01be0c45$3bf8f240$0dd8f5cc@davenport.bendnet.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 9 Nov 98, at 16:58, Samantha Stack wrote: > Please remove me from this mailing list. Thanks :) We can't. You can. See below. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message The above contains the instructions to remove yourself from the mailing list and are included in every message from the mailing list. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary http://www.FreeBSDDiary.com/freebsd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 9 19:27:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02839 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 19:27:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vespucci.advicom.net (vespucci.advicom.net [199.170.120.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02832 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 19:27:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from akash@akash.com) Received: from vespucci.advicom.net (vespucci.advicom.net [199.170.120.42]) by vespucci.advicom.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA27172 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:27:40 -0600 (CST) X-Envelope-Recipient: Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 21:27:39 -0600 (CST) From: Akash Mahbubani X-Sender: akash@vespucci.advicom.net To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: kernel problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello everybody. I'm kinda new to this operating system, and I am trying Build a custom kernel according to the instructions in the handbook on the web. Every time I do a "make depend", I get the following error: ../../dev/dpt/dpt_control.c:389: warning: #warning "O/S Version determination is an ugly hack" ioconf.c:89: sys/bus_private.h: No such file or directory mkdep: compile failed ***Error code 1 Stop. Any suggestions? Akash A. Mahbubani Systems Specialist ADViCOM/Multitronics, Inc. 110 Indian Crest Drive Madison, AL 35758 Home: (256) 772-7907 Fax: (256) 772-0277 Pager/Mobile: (256) 337-2954 akash@akash.com http://www.akash.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 10 11:43:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05437 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:43:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fig.mail.easynet.net (fig.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA05071 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:39:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@sour.cream.org) Received: (qmail 12948 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1998 19:39:37 -0000 Received: from boothman.easynet.co.uk (194.154.100.117) by fig.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 10 Nov 1998 19:39:37 -0000 Received: by Boothman.easynet.co.uk (VPOP3 - Unregistered) with SMTP; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:55:26 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981110185525.007d4860@ice.cream.org> X-Sender: andrew@ice.cream.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:55:25 +0000 To: Akash Mahbubani , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Andrew Boothman Subject: Re: kernel problems In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0d Unregistered Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 21:27 09/11/98 -0600, Akash Mahbubani wrote: >Hello everybody. I'm kinda new to this operating system, and I am trying >Build a custom kernel according to the instructions in the handbook on the >web. Every time I do a "make depend", I get the following error: > >../../dev/dpt/dpt_control.c:389: warning: #warning "O/S Version >determination is an ugly hack" >ioconf.c:89: sys/bus_private.h: No such file or directory >mkdep: compile failed >***Error code 1 > > >Stop. This question would probably be better sent to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org and when asking questions it is often helpful to include the information returned by the 'uname -a' command. But anyway, if you are following the instructions in the handbook exactly there must be a problem with your kernel configuation file. Try going back to the GENERIC kernel and compile that, to make sure that you can compile kernels sucessfully. Then try making the changes you want one-by-one. That way you'll find the change which is causing the problem. And in between compilations make sure that you remove everything in the /usr/src/sys/compile/ http://sour.cream.org PGP Key Available From Public Servers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 11 07:29:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA26031 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:29:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vespucci.advicom.net (vespucci.advicom.net [199.170.120.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA26008; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:29:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from akash@akash.com) Received: from vespucci.advicom.net (vespucci.advicom.net [199.170.120.42]) by vespucci.advicom.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11612; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:29:18 -0600 (CST) X-Envelope-Recipient: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:29:17 -0600 (CST) From: Akash Mahbubani X-Sender: akash@vespucci.advicom.net To: Andrew Boothman cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel problems In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981110185525.007d4860@ice.cream.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I tried compiling the GENERIC kernel as well, and also got a similar error. Akash A. Mahbubani Systems Specialist ADViCOM/Multitronics, Inc. 110 Indian Crest Drive Madison, AL 35758 Home: (256) 772-7907 Fax: (256) 772-0277 Pager/Mobile: (256) 337-2954 akash@akash.com http://www.akash.com On Tue, 10 Nov 1998, Andrew Boothman wrote: > At 21:27 09/11/98 -0600, Akash Mahbubani wrote: > >Hello everybody. I'm kinda new to this operating system, and I am trying > >Build a custom kernel according to the instructions in the handbook on the > >web. Every time I do a "make depend", I get the following error: > > > >../../dev/dpt/dpt_control.c:389: warning: #warning "O/S Version > >determination is an ugly hack" > >ioconf.c:89: sys/bus_private.h: No such file or directory > >mkdep: compile failed > >***Error code 1 > > > > > >Stop. > > This question would probably be better sent to > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org and when asking questions it is often helpful > to include the information returned by the 'uname -a' command. > > But anyway, if you are following the instructions in the handbook exactly > there must be a problem with your kernel configuation file. Try going back > to the GENERIC kernel and compile that, to make sure that you can compile > kernels sucessfully. Then try making the changes you want one-by-one. That > way you'll find the change which is causing the problem. > > And in between compilations make sure that you remove everything in the > /usr/src/sys/compile/ compiling from scratch. > -- > Andrew Boothman > http://sour.cream.org > PGP Key Available From Public Servers > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Nov 13 17:30:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02941 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:30:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02905 for ; Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:30:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA20855 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 12:30:17 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 12:30:17 +1100 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199811140130.MAA20855@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 30 August 1998) (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources:charters.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Nov 14 11:56:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA11176 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 11:56:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11171 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 11:56:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from williams@wilroy.demon.co.uk) Received: from [194.222.14.44] (helo=dell) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zelni-0004lG-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:56:06 +0000 Message-ID: <000501be1007$ee6ba4c0$2c0edec2@dell> From: "David Williams" To: Subject: FAT32 Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:49:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here's my problem. I have 1 physical IDE drive partitioned into 4 FAT32 logical drives, C D E and F. If I have Win98 on C, FreeBSD on D and data on E and F, can i: a) install FreeBSD on D without losing or converting ANY data on the other drives? b) Use FreeBSD with a FAT32 drive? c) Dual Boot Win98 and FreeBSD? If so, how? I would really appreciate some clarification. -David Williams - williams@wilroy.demon.co.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Nov 14 12:22:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12950 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 12:22:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from b.mx.crl.com (bmx.crl.com [165.113.1.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12945 for ; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 12:22:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anarchy@crl.com) Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by b.mx.crl.com (8.8.7/) via SMTP id MAA16371; Sat, 14 Nov 1998 12:22:10 -0800 (PST) env-from (anarchy@crl.com) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 12:22:09 -0800 (PST) From: Ben Manes To: David Williams cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FAT32 In-Reply-To: <000501be1007$ee6ba4c0$2c0edec2@dell> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > a) install FreeBSD on D > without losing or converting > ANY data on the other drives? FreeBSD 2.2.6, with a patch, supports fat32. Beyound that version, they all do. However, I'm uncertain of how far that extends. I'd recomend sending this to -questions, they know this stuff in-and-out. > b) Use FreeBSD with a FAT32 > drive? At the very least, it can read, most likely write too. Haven't tested it out yet.. > c) Dual Boot Win98 and > FreeBSD? If so, how? FreeBSD comes with a boot loader, forget its name though. Its very similar to Linux's lilo, which is useful as an OS pointer. I have it pointing to Win98/pcdos, linux (freebsd cds went bad), NT4, and Solaris (free.. never got it to point correctly though..). In Lilo, you simply add stanzas telling it a label, a partition, and perhaps something else I'm forgetting.. someone else will answer with more knowledge, and the handbook likely has some good info too. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message