From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Dec 27 11:15:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24307 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:15:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns2.sminter.com.ar (ns2.sminter.com.ar [200.10.100.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24302 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 11:15:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Recabarren!fpscha@ns2.sminter.com.ar) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ns2.sminter.com.ar (8.8.5/8.8.4) id QAA24211; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:13:12 -0300 (GMT) >Received: (from fpscha@localhost) by localhost.schapachnik.com.ar (8.8.8/8.8.5) id BAA00291; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 01:47:49 -0300 (ART) From: "Fernando P. Schapachnik" Message-Id: <199812270447.BAA00291@localhost.schapachnik.com.ar> Subject: Re: Cross compiled code In-Reply-To: from Alfred Perlstein at "Dec 22, 98 09:45:37 am" To: bright@hotjobs.com (Alfred Perlstein) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 01:47:49 -0300 (ART) Cc: paipai@tin.it, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: fpscha@schapachnik.com.ar X-OS: FreeBSD 2.2.6 - http://www.freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org En un mensaje anterior Alfred Perlstein escribió: > > ----- the original program prova.c (c code) ------- > > > > > > main(){ > > int a,b; > > > > a = 10; > > b = 20 + a; > > } > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > compiled with xgcc -S > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > .file "prova.c" > > .section ".text" > > .align 4 > > .global main > > .type main,#function > > .proc 04 > > main: > > !#PROLOGUE# 0 > > save %sp,-208,%sp ! adjust stack fram > > !#PROLOGUE# 1 > > mov 10,%o0 ! a = 10 > > st %o0,[%fp+2027] ! this looks fishy 2027 looks a bit high(*) > > ld [%fp+2027],%o0 ! fishy (*) > > add %o0,20,%o1 ! a + 20 -> > > st %o1,[%fp+2023] ! fishy (*) The compiler is saving a and b in memory because they are atomic variables and it's asumming something like "every atomic variable must reside in memory, except when explicitly stated register". You should try compiling with -O. Regards and happy new year! > > .LL1: > > return %i7+8 > > nop > > .LLfe1: > > .size main,.LLfe1-main > > .ident "GCC: (GNU) egcs-2.91.60 19981201 (egcs-1.1.1 release)" > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- Fernando P. Schapachnik fernando@schapachnik.com.ar /-------------------------------------------\ | Atención: Mensaje generado en entorno | | libre de productos MicroChot. | | No contiene HTML, adjuntos en Worst, | | ni basura similar. Leer con tranquilidad. | \-------------------------------------------/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Dec 27 15:53:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18039 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:53:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18031 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:53:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA13397 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:57:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:57:21 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: new approach. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Considering how folks have been really undecided about gcc vs. egcs i decided to build the system compiler on my -current NetBSD box to produce sparc64 binaries. I've been trying to compile a (netbsd) kernel and have hit snags here and there, but it's coming along i think, there are some errors in the code that have forced me to disable certain kernel options. If i get something that boots, expect an email on this list about it and a giant tarball on janus (thanks Kevin) with the compiler sources and object files. I know this is netbsd stuff, but having something that works on usparc will be good. now a question, Would anyone more familiar with netbsd please tell me if all the: "options COMPAT_1X" are nessesary to exec binaries, i'd like to make my kernel as simple as possible at first, and constantly hitting errors in the code and having to restart "make depend && make all" isn't pleasant on a P120 with 32megs of ram. :) The reason i ask is that i saw something that told me "netbsd doesn't have binaries, everything is emulated" or something to that effect, stripping out the 1.3 compat doesn't sound like a good idea (as i'm using 1.3.3-current) but i'm trying it anyway. Kapil, if you think you can build a mini-root i'd much appreciate it. :) thanks, Alfred Perlstein - Programmer, HotJobs Inc. - www.hotjobs.com -- There are operating systems, and then there's FreeBSD. -- http://www.freebsd.org/ 3.0-current To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Dec 27 20:14:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17728 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 20:14:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from epistolic.cynic.net (epistolic.cynic.net [199.175.137.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17717 for ; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 20:14:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjs@cynic.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by epistolic.cynic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA18058; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 20:14:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 20:14:03 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Sampson To: Alfred Perlstein cc: sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new approach. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > Would anyone more familiar with netbsd please tell me if all the: > "options COMPAT_1X" are nessesary to exec binaries [under NetBSD]... No, they shouldn't be necessary, though you may find it convenient to leave in COMPAT_13. Have a look at the INSTALL kernel configuration for the sparc to get an idea of what you can start removing. cjs -- Curt Sampson 604 801 5335 De gustibus, aut bene aut nihil. The most widely ported operating system in the world: http://www.netbsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Mon Dec 28 05:02:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29677 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 05:02:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep01-svc.tin.it (mta01-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29667 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 05:02:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.234.250]) by fep01-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981228130148.BXJY29095.fep01-svc@winworkstation>; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 14:01:48 +0100 From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: Greg Lehey , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 14:05:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Read this... In-reply-to: <19981227130414.K12346@freebie.lemis.com> References: <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation>; from Paolo Di Francesco on Thu, Dec 10, 1998 at 02:14:17AM +0000 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19981228130148.BXJY29095.fep01-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > We did, several times. It appears that your machine keeps sending > this message: Sorry, I cannot do anything!!!! I has been off line for the last 5 days! (hardware prob. and shops closed... 8(( ) So now, I'm again here, but I have not sent mex in the last 5-6 days. (Maybe 4 days maybe more). Yesterday I have not sent anything because I had no email prog installed (same situation in the last 4 days). So this seems more a prob from my ISP. I have read the header of the message, but I think it's more a their prob. with their mailer program. I can tell them to stop the message, but I don't know if they are enough smart to understand where is the problem. P.S. I have changer my e-mail prog. (updated). Let me know if you can't read this message, or it is in HTML...etc... Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Dec 29 08:04:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA13750 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:04:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13720 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:04:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23069 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:08:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:08:30 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: check it out! (netbsd stuff) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i'm going to be uploading to Kevin's box janus, check my next email for information on getting the netbsd-i386 to sparc64 compiler. unfortunatly because i have a u/170e (note the 'e') which i payed extra for, there is very little support at this time for my box and i think that's why it's not even getting close to booting :( but anyhow, here's something uplifting: /tftpboot # cu -s 9600 -l /dev/cuaa1 Connected. Sun Ultra 1 UPA/SBus (UltraSPARC 167MHz), No Keyboard OpenBoot 3.11, 256 MB memory installed, Serial #7955189. Ethernet address 8:0:20:79:62:f5, Host ID: 807962f5. Rebooting with command: boot net Boot device: /sbus/SUNW,hme@e,8c00000 File and args: Timeout waiting for ARP/RARP packet 11600 >> NetBSD/sparc64 OpenFirmware Boot, Revision >> (perlsta@brazzen, Mon Dec 28 20:00:59 PST 1998) open /sbus@1f,0/SUNW,hme@e,8c00000/netbsd: Inappropriate file type or format Boot: /sbus/SUNW,fas@e,8800000/sd@0,0/netbsd You said /sbus/SUNW,fas@e,8800000/sd@0,0/netbsd parseargs says you said /sbus/SUNW,fas@e,8800000/sd@0,0/netbsd devopen: getdisklabel sez no disk label loadfile: reading header elf0_exec: Booting /sbus/SUNW,fas@e,8800000/sd@0,0/netbsd reading 1 program headers reading phdr 0 at 40 lseek sez: 40 reading phdr worked, type 1 flags 7 1548592@0xf8000000+373744@0xf817a130 symbols @ 0xfff46280 0+0+0 start=0xf8000000 chain: calling OF_chain(0, 0, 0, 0, 0) OF_chain: prom returned! [ preserving 209336 bytes of netbsd ELF symbol table ] Failed to map msgbuf consinit() setting up stdin stdin instance = fffe5ff8 stdin package = f005a418 setting up stdout stdout instance = fffe63c0 stdout package = f005a418 console is ttya panic: findzs: zs0 not mapped by PROM kdb breakpoint at 0xf810b110 Stopped in at Debugger+0x4: nop db> doh! time to write some drivers.... anyone have any pointers to getting info on sparc hardware? i'm going to look around myself, but specifically i'm looking for information on: the serial chips used in this box. my scsi controller: 'fas' my network controller: 'hme' thanks all, especially to Kapil, John Birell and Peter Wemm. i'm going to see what i can download from ultraP to take a look at their drivers. Alfred Perlstein - Programmer, HotJobs Inc. - www.hotjobs.com -- There are operating systems, and then there's FreeBSD. -- http://www.freebsd.org/ 3.0-current To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Dec 29 11:10:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01120 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:10:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01113 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:10:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id LAA06588; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:09:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id LAA24554; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:09:38 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id MAA05400; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:09:37 -0700 Message-ID: <368928F0.E55F1B3@softweyr.com> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:09:36 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alfred Perlstein CC: sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: check it out! (netbsd stuff) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > Boot: /sbus/SUNW,fas@e,8800000/sd@0,0/netbsd > You said /sbus/SUNW,fas@e,8800000/sd@0,0/netbsd > parseargs says you said /sbus/SUNW,fas@e,8800000/sd@0,0/netbsd > devopen: getdisklabel sez no disk label > loadfile: reading header > elf0_exec: Booting /sbus/SUNW,fas@e,8800000/sd@0,0/netbsd > reading 1 program headers > reading phdr 0 at 40 > lseek sez: 40 > reading phdr worked, type 1 flags 7 > 1548592@0xf8000000+373744@0xf817a130 > symbols @ 0xfff46280 0+0+0 start=0xf8000000 > chain: calling OF_chain(0, 0, 0, 0, 0) > OF_chain: prom returned! > [ preserving 209336 bytes of netbsd ELF symbol table ] > Failed to map msgbuf > consinit() > setting up stdin > stdin instance = fffe5ff8 > stdin package = f005a418 > setting up stdout > stdout instance = fffe63c0 > stdout package = f005a418 > console is ttya > panic: findzs: zs0 not mapped by PROM > kdb breakpoint at 0xf810b110 > Stopped in at Debugger+0x4: nop > db> Cool! > doh! time to write some drivers.... > > anyone have any pointers to getting info on sparc hardware? i'm going to > look around myself, but specifically i'm looking for information on: > > the serial chips used in this box. This one I know. The zs devices are Zilog 8530's, probably 85C30s these days. See http://www.zilog.com/pdfs/serial/scc_escc_iscc_manual/ for datasheets on the Z85C30. I'll see what I can find on the rest. -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters +1.801.915.2061 Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Dec 29 11:35:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03127 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:35:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03119 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:35:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA17538; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:38:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:38:44 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: Wes Peters cc: sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: check it out! (netbsd stuff) In-Reply-To: <368928F0.E55F1B3@softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, Wes Peters wrote: > Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > > consinit() > > setting up stdin > > stdin instance = fffe5ff8 > > stdin package = f005a418 > > setting up stdout > > stdout instance = fffe63c0 > > stdout package = f005a418 > > console is ttya > > panic: findzs: zs0 not mapped by PROM > > kdb breakpoint at 0xf810b110 > > Stopped in at Debugger+0x4: nop > > db> > > Cool! > > > doh! time to write some drivers.... > > > > anyone have any pointers to getting info on sparc hardware? i'm going to > > look around myself, but specifically i'm looking for information on: > > > > the serial chips used in this box. > > This one I know. The zs devices are Zilog 8530's, probably 85C30s these > days. See http://www.zilog.com/pdfs/serial/scc_escc_iscc_manual/ for > datasheets on the Z85C30. i'm quite sure netbsd has the 'zs' device done, maybe i broke something in my kernel config? what i'm asking is if it's possible that i have a different chipset than 'zs' (or maybe the netbsd driver doesn't like my revision of the in my model of the Zilog chips)? any idea? I'll start reading those Zilog specs tonight, hopefully it's not going to nessesitate a new serial driver, because i know i have to do a scsi one :( thanks, -Alfred > > I'll see what I can find on the rest. > > -- > Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? > > Wes Peters +1.801.915.2061 > Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Dec 29 12:31:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08322 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:31:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08317 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:31:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA59790 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:35:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 15:35:33 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: netbsd compiler and kernel are available, need testers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ok several things: i've uploaded several files to: ftp://janus.syracuse.net/pub/FreeBSD/sparc64/ in the directory: ftp://janus.syracuse.net/pub/FreeBSD/sparc64/boot/ you'll find 4 files, bootfile for netbsd and a netbsd kernel along with MD5 checksums ** NEED TESTER FOR THIS ** can someone with a regular u/140 or u/170 try to boot with these? it's not too difficult, you have to make an /etc/ethers file with the ethernet address of the sparc in it: ~ % cat /etc/ethers # MAC -> inet addr # - de0 # jonas sun4u 8:0:20:79:62:f5 jonas.reserved ^----------------------sparc's MAC address (get from netstat -nr) ------------------^ (replace with your sparc's hostname/ip you need to run rarpd on the same interface that the sparc is connected to: rarpd you need to then: mkdir /tftpboot ; cd /tftpboot cp ofwboot /tftpboot/ ln -s ofwboot so it looks like: ~ % ls -l /tftpboot/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 7 Dec 29 04:10 C0A80114 -> ofwboot -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 54946 Dec 29 04:10 ofwboot (my sparc's ip is: 192.168.1.20) you need to then copy the 'netbsd' kernel image to your sparc's root dir then you need to reboot the sparc and hit stop-A at boot, or send it via "~#" through cu (serial consol) type: "boot net" then type in the entire boot line: ie. /sbus/SUNW,fas@e,8800000/sd@0,0/netbsd then... send me an email and tell me what happened :) thanks, also check this: ftp://janus.syracuse.net/pub/FreeBSD/sparc64/egcs you'll find 4 files, egcs-netbsd-i386-crossto-sparc64.bin.MD5 egcs-netbsd-i386-crossto-sparc64.bin.tgz this is the i386 netbsd-current binaries that can generate sparc64 code along with MD5 unpack to /usr/local should dump them into /usr/local/sparc64 egcs-netbsd-i386-crossto-sparc64.src.MD5 egcs-netbsd-i386-crossto-sparc64.src.tgz this is the egcs source ripped from netbsd and configure properly to compile under netbsd-current, this isn't _that_ difficult to do. unpack anywhere would anyone please try to boot the kernel i have placed on janus? Alfred Perlstein - Programmer, HotJobs Inc. - www.hotjobs.com -- There are operating systems, and then there's FreeBSD. -- http://www.freebsd.org/ 3.0-current To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Dec 30 08:01:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA28050 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:01:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep04-svc.tin.it (mta04-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA28034 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:01:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.234.233]) by fep04-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981230160105.CCMM25116.fep04-svc@winworkstation> for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:01:05 +0100 From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 17:05:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Read this... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19981230160105.CCMM25116.fep04-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Curiosity begs me to ask why you are so eager to work on a USparc port if you > neither have the hardware nor the funds to get the hardware? I can understand > people who have hardware around, or people who have a need for some hardware > which is better than PC and can buy some test hardware, but I can't readily > think of a reason why I'd be so eager to port to hardware I don't have nor > can't afford. 1) I want to learn. I think kernel coding is good to learn new things. 2) I don't like PC architectures. Personally, I think many persons don't understand if you want good performance from a system is not sufficient to upgrade the CPU, you have to change everything. So, a new architecture is interesting for me. 3) I want to learn _new_ things. I have experience only on PCs. Few experience on SGI and SUN and I want to change this situation 8) 4) I can buy a Sparc MB, but this means I can buy _only_ it. I have not enough money for the memory, disks, etc... 5) Why not? Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Dec 30 08:40:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA01927 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:40:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01913 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:40:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id IAA12561; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:40:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id IAA29301; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:40:25 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id JAA10333; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:40:24 -0700 Message-ID: <368A5778.F86A2695@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:40:24 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paolo Di Francesco CC: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Read this... References: <19981230160105.CCMM25116.fep04-svc@winworkstation> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > > > Curiosity begs me to ask why you are so eager to work on a USparc port if you > > neither have the hardware nor the funds to get the hardware? I can understand > > people who have hardware around, or people who have a need for some hardware > > which is better than PC and can buy some test hardware, but I can't readily > > think of a reason why I'd be so eager to port to hardware I don't have nor > > can't afford. > > 1) I want to learn. I think kernel coding is good to learn new things. > > 2) I don't like PC architectures. Personally, I think many persons > don't understand if you want good performance from a system is not > sufficient to upgrade the CPU, you have to change everything. > So, a new architecture is interesting for me. > > 3) I want to learn _new_ things. I have experience only on PCs. Few > experience on SGI and SUN and I want to change this situation 8) > > 4) I can buy a Sparc MB, but this means I can buy _only_ it. I have not > enough money for the memory, disks, etc... > > 5) Why not? So why not buy an older SPARC, for far less money, and work on that? Much of what you learn will be portable to the UltraSPARC system later on, and these machines are fantastically reliable. When Dayna Communications was "assimilated" into the Intel intranet in January of this year, they retired their DNS and mail server, which was a SPARCstation SLC manufactured in 1990. When it was shutdown, it had been up for over 200 days, because it had been neglected since the Intel acquisition. Before that, the engineer in charge of it would reboot it twice a year, on Dec 24 and July 3, "just to be safe." ;^) -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters +1.801.915.2061 Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Dec 31 05:20:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29225 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 05:20:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep04-svc.tin.it (mta04-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29218 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 05:20:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.234.65]) by fep04-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981231132024.BNEK27753.fep04-svc@winworkstation>; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:20:24 +0100 From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: Wes Peters , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:24:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Read this... In-reply-to: <368A5778.F86A2695@softweyr.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19981231132024.BNEK27753.fep04-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > So why not buy an older SPARC, for far less money, and work on that? > Much of what you learn will be portable to the UltraSPARC system later > on, and these machines are fantastically reliable. > 1) We are starting now with the kernel. Maybe in late 1999 we'll have something working on Ultra. So what will be developed now will be used in the Y2K. I don't think that to develop on an old sparc is so exciting. 8) 2) For old sparc there is Linux, but on Ultra there is less support. 3) I don't know anyone who wants to sell his/her old sparc. So it's easier to buy a new one than and old sparc (ridicolous, but it's the situation...) 4) If Sun will give us some form of "support" I will develop on Ultra. Otherwise I will reconsider the "old sparc".... _Personally_ I think Sun could give us the new architecture for the "old sparc" price. I don't pretend to have hardware for free, but for a good price. From their point of view they make a good investment :they have a new developer working on Ultra/FreeBSD. From my point of view it's a good investment 'cause I can develop on something new (and use the new istruction set sparc V9 ) > When Dayna Communications was "assimilated" into the Intel intranet in > January of this year, they retired their DNS and mail server, which was > a SPARCstation SLC manufactured in 1990. When it was shutdown, it had > been up for over 200 days, because it had been neglected since the Intel > acquisition. Before that, the engineer in charge of it would reboot it > twice a year, on Dec 24 and July 3, "just to be safe." ;^) 8)) Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Dec 31 09:56:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA26137 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:56:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA26131 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:56:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA17777; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:56:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Message-ID: <19981231095614.D15141@nuxi.com> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:56:14 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Paolo Di Francesco Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Read this... Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <368A5778.F86A2695@softweyr.com> <19981231132024.BNEK27753.fep04-svc@winworkstation> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19981231132024.BNEK27753.fep04-svc@winworkstation>; from Paolo Di Francesco on Thu, Dec 31, 1998 at 02:24:44PM -0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I don't think that to develop on an old sparc is so exciting. 8) I fail to see the difference in excitement. I'm interested in this project *only* to be able to run FreeBSD on my old Sparc 20's. > 2) For old sparc there is Linux, but on Ultra there is less support. You mean for old Sparc there is OpenBSD and NetBSD. Linux is *NOT* an option. I'm on a BSD list, not a Pingin list. > 3) I don't know anyone who wants to sell his/her old sparc. see comp.sys.sun.wanted > _Personally_ I think Sun could give us the new architecture for the As a student (or developer) you can get ~40% discount on many models. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Dec 31 11:33:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09248 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:33:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09222 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:33:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id LAA19983; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id LAA29384; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:32:06 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id MAA17585; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:32:05 -0700 Message-ID: <368BD135.8038D631@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:32:05 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: obrien@NUXI.com CC: Paolo Di Francesco , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Read this... References: <368A5778.F86A2695@softweyr.com> <19981231132024.BNEK27753.fep04-svc@winworkstation> <19981231095614.D15141@nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien wrote: > > > I don't think that to develop on an old sparc is so exciting. 8) > > I fail to see the difference in excitement. I'm interested in this > project *only* to be able to run FreeBSD on my old Sparc 20's. Ditto. > > 2) For old sparc there is Linux, but on Ultra there is less support. > > You mean for old Sparc there is OpenBSD and NetBSD. Linux is *NOT* an > option. I'm on a BSD list, not a Pingin list. ;^) > > 3) I don't know anyone who wants to sell his/her old sparc. > > see comp.sys.sun.wanted Or www.rave.com, or www.solarsys.com, etc. Go to your favorite search engine and search for "used sparc" or "refurbished sparc". Solar Systems has currently listed on their "Specials" page a SPARC 5/70 for $945, a SPARC 4/110 for $975, and a SPARCclassic for $695. If you can find one, SPARC ELCs go for about $350 and IPXs for about $450 these days. > > _Personally_ I think Sun could give us the new architecture for the > > As a student (or developer) you can get ~40% discount on many models. Including (I think) the Ultra-5, which is already pretty cheap by Sun's standards. ($2995 list gets you a running system sans monitor). -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters +1.801.915.2061 Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Dec 31 12:00:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12100 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:00:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hal-pc.org (hal-pc.org [204.52.135.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12095 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:00:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jes@hal-pc.org) Received: from jason (206.180.128.140.dial-ip.hal-pc.org [206.180.128.140]) by hal-pc.org (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA25575 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:59:55 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004a01be34f7$ffe02a40$0500a8c0@jason.local.nullifier.dyn.ml.org> From: "Jason" To: Subject: Re: Read this... Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:58:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 3) I don't know anyone who wants to sell his/her old sparc. So it's easier to buy a new one than and old sparc (ridicolous, but it's the situation...) www.gstek.com should say it all. -Jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Dec 31 12:31:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15593 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:31:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bubba.NMSU.Edu (bubba.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA15588 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:31:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ian@nmsu.edu) From: ian@nmsu.edu Received: from dns1.NMSU.Edu (dns1.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.5]) by bubba.NMSU.Edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA04468; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:33:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from wilma.NMSU.Edu (wilma.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.12]) by dns1.NMSU.Edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA10704; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:30:53 -0700 (MST) Received: (from ian@localhost) by wilma.NMSU.Edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA29631; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:30:51 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:30:51 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199812312030.NAA29631@wilma.NMSU.Edu> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Wes Peters , obrien@NUXI.com Subject: Re: Read this... Cc: Paolo Di Francesco , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just adding a little more info on buying used suns. If you go to http://www.sunhelp.com they have a list of vendors of used Suns at the bottom of the page. Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Dec 31 16:02:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04884 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:02:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from susanna.deranged.schneider.org (susanna.deranged.schneider.org [207.126.69.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA04870 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:02:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rik@susanna.deranged.schneider.org) Received: from localhost (rik@localhost) by susanna.deranged.schneider.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA15155; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:00:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:00:07 -0800 (PST) From: Rik Schneider To: ian@nmsu.edu cc: Wes Peters , obrien@NUXI.com, Paolo Di Francesco , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Read this... In-Reply-To: <199812312030.NAA29631@wilma.NMSU.Edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just bought 3 SPARCStation/IPX's for $35 American each from GSTek http://www.gstek.com. They carry a range of sparc hardware from used SS/1 to new U10 clones. On Thu, 31 Dec 1998 ian@nmsu.edu wrote: > Just adding a little more info on buying used suns. > If you go to http://www.sunhelp.com they have a list of vendors of used Suns > at the bottom of the page. > Ian > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message