From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 12 06:30:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA07361 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 06:30:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA07355 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 06:30:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de) Received: from salomon.mchp.siemens.de (salomon.siemens.de [139.23.33.13]) by david.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21209 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 15:30:19 +0200 (MDT) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (daemon@curry.mchp.siemens.de [146.180.31.23]) by salomon.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05195 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 15:30:19 +0200 (MDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05784 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 15:30:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Andre Albsmeier Message-Id: <199804121330.PAA17014@intern> Subject: Re: MFS in -stable? In-Reply-To: <199804112219.PAA22863@red.juniper.net> from Paul Traina at "Apr 11, 98 03:19:14 pm" To: pst@juniper.net (Paul Traina) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 15:30:19 +0200 (CEST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > How happy are folks with the MFS filesystem in stable. Is it solid or > still badly hosed? > Works here on 12 FreeBSD-2.2.6 machines for about 3-4 month. Never saw any problems. -Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 12 10:43:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02727 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 10:43:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rige.physik.fu-berlin.de (rige.physik.fu-berlin.de [160.45.33.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02722 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 10:43:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thimm@rige.physik.fu-berlin.de) Received: (from thimm@localhost) by rige.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13328; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 19:43:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from thimm) Message-ID: <19980412194309.25674@physik.fu-berlin.de> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 19:43:09 +0200 From: Axel Thimm To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: buildworld failure in libskey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk For some days now I am getting the following error in libskey. I blowed /usr/src away to check, if my sources are garbled, but it is still here with cvsup'ed sources. Does anyone else see this? (USA_RESIDENT=NO, if that matters). ===> libskey cc -pipe -DPERMIT_CONSOLE -D_SKEY_INTERNAL -I/async/src/lib/libskey -W -Wall -Werror -I/usr/obj/async/src/tmp/usr/include -c /async/src/lib/libskey/skeyaccess.c -o skeyaccess.o cc1: warnings being treated as errors /usr/obj/async/src/tmp/usr/include/stdio.h:366: warning: `__sputc' defined but not used /usr/obj/async/src/tmp/usr/include/ctype.h:143: warning: `__istype' defined but not used /usr/obj/async/src/tmp/usr/include/ctype.h:157: warning: `__toupper' defined but not used /usr/obj/async/src/tmp/usr/include/ctype.h:164: warning: `__tolower' defined but not used *** Error code 1 -- Axel Thimm Axel.Thimm@physik.fu-berlin.de Axel.Thimm@ifh.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 12 11:08:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08753 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 11:08:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from red.juniper.net (red.juniper.net [208.197.169.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08482 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 11:07:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pst@juniper.net) Received: from red.juniper.net (localhost.juniper.net [127.0.0.1]) by red.juniper.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05008; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 11:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804121805.LAA05008@red.juniper.net> To: Andre Albsmeier cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MFS in -stable? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 12 Apr 1998 15:30:19 +0200." <199804121330.PAA17014@intern> Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 11:05:06 -0700 From: Paul Traina Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Thanks, and thanks to everyone who replied. I wanted to use MFS as an emergency backup temporary filesystem replacement. Paul In message <199804121330.PAA17014@intern>, Andre Albsmeier writes: > > How happy are folks with the MFS filesystem in stable. Is it solid or > > still badly hosed? > > > > Works here on 12 FreeBSD-2.2.6 machines for about 3-4 month. > Never saw any problems. > > -Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 12 11:46:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16475 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 11:46:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wiley.csusb.edu (wiley.csusb.edu [139.182.2.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16465 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 11:46:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwong@wiley.csusb.edu) Received: (from wwong@localhost) by wiley.csusb.edu (8.8.5/8.6.11) id LAA18722 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 11:44:54 -0700 (PDT) From: William Wong Message-Id: <199804121844.LAA18722@wiley.csusb.edu> Subject: makeworld completion? To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 11:44:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Greetings all! Towards the end of the makeworld log I get this: install -c -o bin -g bin -m 555 green_saver_mod.o /lkm ===> lkm/syscons/snake install -c -o bin -g bin -m 555 snake_saver_mod.o /lkm ===> lkm/syscons/star install -c -o bin -g bin -m 555 star_saver_mod.o /lkm ===> lkm/umapfs install -c -o bin -g bin -m 555 umap_mod.o /lkm -------------------------------------------------------------- Re-scanning the shared libraries.. -------------------------------------------------------------- cd /usr/src && ldconfig -R -------------------------------------------------------------- Rebuilding man page indexes -------------------------------------------------------------- cd /usr/src/share/man && /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin/make makedb makewhatis /usr/share/man -------------------------------------------------------------- make world completed on Sun Apr 12 05:30:42 PDT 1998 -------------------------------------------------------------- make: don't know how to make 2. Stop This is cvsup as of 12 April, 1998 at ~0205, Los Angeles, CA time. Did make world complete? -- William T. Wong Phone: (909) 880-7281 email: wwong@wiley.csusb.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 12 12:57:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23987 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:57:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23932 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:57:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA14461; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 21:57:28 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA00628; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 21:57:27 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199804121957.VAA00628@greenpeace.grondar.za> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Axel Thimm cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: buildworld failure in libskey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 21:57:26 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Axel Thimm wrote: > For some days now I am getting the following error in libskey. I blowed > /usr/src away to check, if my sources are garbled, but it is still here with > cvsup'ed sources. Does anyone else see this? (USA_RESIDENT=NO, if that > matters). : > cc1: warnings being treated as errors Check wat options you have set in /etc/make.conf M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 12 16:23:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18022 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:23:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rige.physik.fu-berlin.de (rige.physik.fu-berlin.de [160.45.33.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA17957 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 16:22:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thimm@rige.physik.fu-berlin.de) Received: (from thimm@localhost) by rige.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA08031; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 01:22:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from thimm) Message-ID: <19980413012215.25569@physik.fu-berlin.de> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 01:22:15 +0200 From: Axel Thimm To: Mark Murray Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: buildworld failure in libskey References: <199804121957.VAA00628@greenpeace.grondar.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199804121957.VAA00628@greenpeace.grondar.za>; from Mark Murray on Sun, Apr 12, 1998 at 09:57:26PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, Apr 12, 1998 at 09:57:26PM +0200, Mark Murray wrote: > Axel Thimm wrote: > > For some days now I am getting the following error in libskey. [...] > : > > cc1: warnings being treated as errors > > Check wat options you have set in /etc/make.conf Other than some MASTER_SITE* vars there is only CFLAGS= -pipe NOPROFILE= true COPTFLAGS= -pipe USA_RESIDENT= NO in /etc/make.conf. Could something of these harm in such a way? I am now trying to recompile with no /etc/make.conf (and newest sources). Let's see. > -- > Mark Murray -- Axel Thimm Axel.Thimm@physik.fu-berlin.de Axel.Thimm@ifh.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 12 19:49:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16193 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 19:49:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tokyonet-entrance.astec.co.jp (tokyonet-entrance.astec.co.jp [202.239.16.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16187 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 19:48:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junichi@astec.co.jp) Received: from amont.astec.co.jp (amont.astec.co.jp [172.20.10.1]) by tokyonet-entrance.astec.co.jp (8.8.8+2.7Wbeta7/3.6W-astecMX2.3) with ESMTP id LAA05378; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:48:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kamui.astec.co.jp (kamui.astec.co.jp [172.20.10.5]) by amont.astec.co.jp (8.7.6/3.6W-astecMX2.4) with ESMTP id LAA02809; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:48:44 +0900 (JST) Received: (from junichi@localhost) by kamui.astec.co.jp (8.8.5/3.5W-solaris1-1.2) id LAA01315; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:48:43 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199804130248.LAA01315@kamui.astec.co.jp> To: jeays@statcan.ca Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, junichi@astec.co.jp Subject: Re: ATAPI Zip drive In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:32:21 +0900" References: <199803310832.RAA24379@tamtam.astec.co.jp> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.06 on Emacs 19.34.1, Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="--Next_Part(Mon_Apr_13_11:48:40_1998)--" Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:48:43 +0900 From: Satoh Junichi Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk ----Next_Part(Mon_Apr_13_11:48:40_1998)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii > > When I attempt to mount either the CD-ROM or the ZIP drive, mount > > hangs, and I have to interrupt it with ctrl-C. If I do this > > a second time, the system crashes. (X stops. Attempts to > > log on through another tty don't work - characters entered after > > the login prompt just get echoed to the screen. It is big red > > switch time!) > > Hmm... I don't know why. I tested some combination of ATAPI devices, CD-ROM, ZIP and LS-120, on an IDE channel. I found the kernel is down by combination of the 'accel' and the 'intr' devices. For example, MATSUSHITA x24 CD-ROM drive and IOMEGA ZIP drive: =========================================================================== wdc1: unit 0 (atapi): , removable, accel, dma, iordis ^^^^^ wdc1: unit 1 (atapi): , removable, intr, ^^^^ =========================================================================== Now, when one device supports the 'intr', the atapi driver also supports it. It's not correct. The driver should *NOT* support it when the other device doesn't support it. I made a patch against the 2.2.6R atapi driver. After apply it, any combinations are acceptable. --- Junichi ----Next_Part(Mon_Apr_13_11:48:40_1998)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii diff -r -c isa.ORG/atapi.c isa/atapi.c *** isa.ORG/atapi.c Sat Jan 17 07:28:42 1998 --- isa/atapi.c Sun Apr 12 17:10:54 1998 *************** *** 218,229 **** switch (ap->drqtype) { case AT_DRQT_MPROC: ata->slow = 1; break; case AT_DRQT_INTR: printf (", intr"); ata->intrcmd = 1; break; ! case AT_DRQT_ACCEL: printf (", accel"); break; default: printf (", drq%d", ap->drqtype); } /* When 'slow' is set, clear 'intrcmd' */ if (ata->slow) ata->intrcmd = 0; /* overlap operation supported */ if (ap->ovlapflag) --- 218,235 ---- switch (ap->drqtype) { case AT_DRQT_MPROC: ata->slow = 1; break; case AT_DRQT_INTR: printf (", intr"); ata->intrcmd = 1; break; ! case AT_DRQT_ACCEL: printf (", accel"); ata->accel = 1; break; default: printf (", drq%d", ap->drqtype); } /* When 'slow' is set, clear 'intrcmd' */ if (ata->slow) ata->intrcmd = 0; + + /* When 'accel' and 'intrcmd' are set, clear 'intrcmd' and set 'slow' */ + if (ata->accel && ata->intrcmd) { + ata->intrcmd = 0; + ata->slow = 1; + } /* overlap operation supported */ if (ap->ovlapflag) diff -r -c isa.ORG/atapi.h isa/atapi.h *** isa.ORG/atapi.h Sat Jan 17 07:28:42 1998 --- isa/atapi.h Sun Apr 12 17:12:37 1998 *************** *** 234,239 **** --- 234,240 ---- u_char cmd16 : 1; /* 16-byte command flag */ u_char intrcmd : 1; /* interrupt before cmd flag */ u_char slow : 1; /* slow reaction device */ + u_char accel : 1; /* accell reaction device */ u_char attached[2]; /* units are attached to subdrivers */ struct atapi_params *params[2]; /* params for units 0,1 */ struct atapicmd *queue; /* queue of commands to perform */ ----Next_Part(Mon_Apr_13_11:48:40_1998)---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 12 20:21:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21019 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 20:21:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from stcgate.statcan.ca (stcgate.statcan.ca [142.206.192.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA21012 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 20:21:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeays@statcan.ca) Received: (from root@localhost) by stcgate.statcan.ca (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA23432; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:25:10 -0400 Received: from stcinet.statcan.ca(142.206.128.146) by stcgate via smap (V1.3) id sma023423; Mon Apr 13 03:24:48 1998 Received: from statcan.ca by statcan.ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA23274; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:23:16 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:20:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Jeays X-Sender: jeays@austral To: Satoh Junichi cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATAPI Zip drive In-Reply-To: <199804130248.LAA01315@kamui.astec.co.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Satoh Junichi wrote: > > > When I attempt to mount either the CD-ROM or the ZIP drive, mount > > > hangs, and I have to interrupt it with ctrl-C. If I do this > > > a second time, the system crashes. (X stops. Attempts to > > > log on through another tty don't work - characters entered after > > > the login prompt just get echoed to the screen. It is big red > > > switch time!) > > > > Hmm... I don't know why. > > I tested some combination of ATAPI devices, CD-ROM, ZIP and LS-120, on > an IDE channel. I found the kernel is down by combination of the 'accel' > and the 'intr' devices. For example, MATSUSHITA x24 CD-ROM drive and > IOMEGA ZIP drive: > =========================================================================== > wdc1: unit 0 (atapi): , removable, accel, dma, iordis > ^^^^^ > wdc1: unit 1 (atapi): , removable, intr, > ^^^^ > =========================================================================== > > Now, when one device supports the 'intr', the atapi driver also supports > it. It's not correct. The driver should *NOT* support it when the other > device doesn't support it. > > I made a patch against the 2.2.6R atapi driver. After apply it, any > combinations are acceptable. > --- > Junichi > That's interesting; I think my two devices are 'accel' and 'intr' respectively. (The CD-ROM isn't plugged in right now, so I can't see for certain.) I will try the patch tomorrow, and report back. Thanks for the help! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 13 00:33:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA25344 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 00:33:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA25335 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 00:33:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05801; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:33:12 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00424; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:33:08 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199804130733.JAA00424@greenpeace.grondar.za> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Axel Thimm cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: buildworld failure in libskey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:33:08 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Axel Thimm wrote: > > Check wat options you have set in /etc/make.conf > > Other than some MASTER_SITE* vars there is only > CFLAGS= -pipe > NOPROFILE= true > COPTFLAGS= -pipe > USA_RESIDENT= NO > in /etc/make.conf. Could something of these harm in such a way? Not in the way you're seeing. What environment variables do you gave set? M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 13 01:12:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00867 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 01:12:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from helios.dnttm.ru (root@dnttm-gw.rssi.ru [193.232.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA00861 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 01:12:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by helios.dnttm.ru (8.8.5/8.8.5/IP-3) with UUCP id MAA19732; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:02:03 +0400 Received: from tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA02361; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:00:46 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from dima@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru) Message-Id: <199804130800.MAA02361@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Axel Thimm cc: Mark Murray , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: buildworld failure in libskey In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 Apr 1998 01:22:15 +0200." <19980413012215.25569@physik.fu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:00:46 +0400 From: Dmitrij Tejblum Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Axel Thimm wrote: > On Sun, Apr 12, 1998 at 09:57:26PM +0200, Mark Murray wrote: > > Axel Thimm wrote: > > > > For some days now I am getting the following error in libskey. [...] > > > cc1: warnings being treated as errors > > > > Check wat options you have set in /etc/make.conf > > Other than some MASTER_SITE* vars there is only > CFLAGS= -pipe > NOPROFILE= true > COPTFLAGS= -pipe > USA_RESIDENT= NO > in /etc/make.conf. Could something of these harm in such a way? > Yes, of course. Add -O to CFLAGS. (And to COPTFLAGS, while you are here). Dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 13 02:33:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA15181 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 02:33:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rige.physik.fu-berlin.de (rige.physik.fu-berlin.de [160.45.33.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA15151 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 02:33:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thimm@rige.physik.fu-berlin.de) Received: (from thimm@localhost) by rige.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24172; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:32:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from thimm) Message-ID: <19980413113252.37851@physik.fu-berlin.de> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:32:52 +0200 From: Axel Thimm To: Dmitrij Tejblum Cc: Mark Murray , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: buildworld failure in libskey References: <19980413012215.25569@physik.fu-berlin.de> <199804130800.MAA02361@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199804130800.MAA02361@tejblum.dnttm.rssi.ru>; from Dmitrij Tejblum on Mon, Apr 13, 1998 at 12:00:46PM +0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, Apr 13, 1998 at 12:00:46PM +0400, Dmitrij Tejblum wrote: > Axel Thimm wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 12, 1998 at 09:57:26PM +0200, Mark Murray wrote: > > > Axel Thimm wrote: > > > > For some days now I am getting the following error in libskey. [...] > > > > cc1: warnings being treated as errors > > > Check wat options you have set in /etc/make.conf > > CFLAGS= -pipe [...] COPTFLAGS= -pipe > > [...] Could something of these harm in such a way? > > > Yes, of course. Add -O to CFLAGS. (And to COPTFLAGS, while you are > here). Thanks, that was the cause of evil! Shouldn't this be considered a bug of the build process? (But then the broken dependencies forcing a clean beforehand are worse and more worthwhile any attention) Cheers, Axel. (dreaming of a 5 min. daily "make world") -- Axel Thimm Axel.Thimm@physik.fu-berlin.de Axel.Thimm@ifh.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 13 05:40:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA15474 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 05:40:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from stcgate.statcan.ca (stcgate.statcan.ca [142.206.192.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA15465 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:40:44 GMT (envelope-from jeays@statcan.ca) Received: (from root@localhost) by stcgate.statcan.ca (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA28825; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:44:40 -0400 Received: from stcinet.statcan.ca(142.206.128.146) by stcgate via smap (V1.3) id sma028819; Mon Apr 13 12:44:08 1998 Received: from statcan.ca by statcan.ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA19886; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:42:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:39:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Jeays X-Sender: jeays@austral To: Satoh Junichi cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATAPI Zip drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, 12 Apr 1998, Mike Jeays wrote: > > > On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Satoh Junichi wrote: > > > > > When I attempt to mount either the CD-ROM or the ZIP drive, mount > > > > hangs, and I have to interrupt it with ctrl-C. If I do this > > > > a second time, the system crashes. (X stops. Attempts to > > > > log on through another tty don't work - characters entered after > > > > the login prompt just get echoed to the screen. It is big red > > > > switch time!) > > > > > > Hmm... I don't know why. > > > > I tested some combination of ATAPI devices, CD-ROM, ZIP and LS-120, on > > an IDE channel. I found the kernel is down by combination of the 'accel' > > and the 'intr' devices. For example, MATSUSHITA x24 CD-ROM drive and > > IOMEGA ZIP drive: > > =========================================================================== > > wdc1: unit 0 (atapi): , removable, accel, dma, iordis > > ^^^^^ > > wdc1: unit 1 (atapi): , removable, intr, > > ^^^^ > > =========================================================================== > > > > Now, when one device supports the 'intr', the atapi driver also supports > > it. It's not correct. The driver should *NOT* support it when the other > > device doesn't support it. > > > > I made a patch against the 2.2.6R atapi driver. After apply it, any > > combinations are acceptable. > > --- > > Junichi > > > I installed the patch and recompiled the kernel. Both my CD-ROM and Iomega Zip drive function perfectly on the same controller (CD-ROM as master). I can even copy files from one directly to the other. Thanks once again for the help. I now have a fully functioning system, and can screw the cover back on for the first time in weeks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 13 09:00:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA20496 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:00:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from versa.eng.comsat.com (versa.eng.comsat.com [134.133.169.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20451 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:00:23 GMT (envelope-from marc@versa.eng.comsat.com) Received: (from marc@localhost) by versa.eng.comsat.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id MAA27033 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Comsat Mobile Communications From: Marc Giannoni To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: CVSUP files Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I'm using CVSUP to maintain a source tree for 'stable'. Is there any need to update the supfile, especially after a minor (major) release? (e.g. 2.2.5 -> 2.2.6) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 13 10:53:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16424 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:53:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16399 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:52:49 GMT (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00454; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804131748.KAA00454@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Satoh Junichi cc: jeays@statcan.ca, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATAPI Zip drive In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:48:43 +0900." <199804130248.LAA01315@kamui.astec.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:48:49 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I tested some combination of ATAPI devices, CD-ROM, ZIP and LS-120, on > an IDE channel. I found the kernel is down by combination of the 'accel' > and the 'intr' devices. Thanks for the fix (and testing, Mike), I've committed this. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 13 11:11:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19584 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:11:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fourier.physics.purdue.edu (fourier.physics.purdue.edu [128.210.146.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19573 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:11:12 GMT (envelope-from jonsmith@physics.purdue.edu) Received: from localhost (jonsmith@localhost) by fourier.physics.purdue.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA26161 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:11:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:11:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Jon C. Smith" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Pnp sound card and ft0 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I've been tryin for some time now to get a sound card that, when controller pnp0 is in the kernel config, is displayed at boot up, to work as my sound card. I've had little luck with this. I've been told what to do, and read the handbook, to no avail. Also, when I upgraded from 2.2.5 release to 2.2.6 stable, the ft0 was not probed at boot up. I am using (almost) the same config file as before. ft0 is not found, nor is it not found. Any good ideas? jon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 13 13:40:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12964 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:40:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from portwwwbus.tc.cc.va.us (portwwwbus.tc.cc.va.us [164.106.211.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA12945 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 20:40:34 GMT (envelope-from djflow@portwwwbus.tc.cc.va.us) Received: from localhost (djflow@localhost) by portwwwbus.tc.cc.va.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA04857 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:38:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Derek Flowers To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Update utility Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I have an alpha quality update utility located at ftp://portwwwbus.tc.cc.va.us/pub/update The shell script is named update. The README.update file contains info on the script as well as the update package format and steps the script will take when installing an update. In the samples dir is the extra docs distribution in the update package format (pre-tarred). It is not complete as I still have to work out how some of the steps need to be executed. Anyone who is better at shell scripting and wants to help out feel free to send me or the list email. Comments are much needed and appreciated. ---------------------------------------- Derek Flowers djflow@erols.com http://portwwwbus.tc.cc.va.us/~djflow "640K ought to be enough for anybody." -Bill Gates, circa 1981 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 13 14:29:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22898 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:29:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from darla.swimsuit.roskildebc.dk (pm22-28.image.dk [194.234.169.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA22771 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:29:19 GMT (envelope-from root@darla.swimsuit.roskildebc.dk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darla.swimsuit.roskildebc.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA01814; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:29:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from root@darla.swimsuit.roskildebc.dk) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:29:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Leif Neland To: Marc Giannoni cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CVSUP files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Marc Giannoni wrote: > I'm using CVSUP to maintain a source tree for 'stable'. > Is there any need to update the supfile, especially after > a minor (major) release? (e.g. 2.2.5 -> 2.2.6) > No, I used to be following 2.2.5-STABLE. Suddenly I was running 2.2.6-BETA, and then it became 2.2.6-STABLE. Without changing anything in the supfile To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 13 15:09:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29698 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:09:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hackerz.org (randy@hackerz.org [209.31.146.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA29693 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:09:02 GMT (envelope-from randy@hackerz.org) Received: (from randy@localhost) by hackerz.org (8.8.8/8.6.9) id SAA03933; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980413181649.51450@hackerz.org> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:16:49 -0400 From: Charles Quarri To: FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Kerberoes V and FreeBSD? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I was curious if there are any plans to use Kerberos V as a replacement for Kerberos IV. I know there have been some security improvements between IV and V. -------- Charles Quarri To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 13 15:16:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01824 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:16:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.2.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA01817 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:16:09 GMT (envelope-from chad@freebie.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.7/8.8.3a) id PAA04585; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:07:26 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199804132207.PAA04585@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: MFS in -stable? To: tweten@frihet.com Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:07:26 -0700 (MST) Cc: pst@juniper.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199804120107.SAA11809@ns.frihet.com> from "David E. Tweten" at "Apr 11, 98 06:07:14 pm" Reply-to: chad@dcfinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > It _is_ a bit of a hack. I don't believe anybody has done anything > significant to it since the current encarnation arrived as part of 4.4 > BSD, which means it still runs at half the speed it could, worries > about cylinder groups, and pays no attention to locality of reference > in virtual memory. Still, half memory speed is a _lot_ faster than > any disk, and it has always been rock reliable for me. But if you left the memory available for Kernel buffers, wouldn't you get the performance without the management headaches? -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-953-1392 chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 13 19:25:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA24575 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 19:25:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from athena.bfmni.com (www.bfmni.com [206.172.20.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA24567 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 02:25:31 GMT (envelope-from bsmith@bfmni.com) Received: from whatzit ([206.172.20.191]) by athena.bfmni.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-30094U35) with SMTP id AAA223 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:25:26 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01bd674b$cd3c2140$6403a8c0@whatzit.comstyle.com> From: bsmith@bfmni.com (Brad Smith) To: Subject: SCSI Problems Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:19:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Just 2 days ago I CVSup'd my source tree and re-compiled the kernel & LKM's and rebooted without any problems. Then when I came back the next morning the box was totally unresponsive except for ping's. and all kinds of SCSI errors which ive never seen before this kernel upgrade were on the screen. Last kernel was from Feb 17th I think it was or somewhere near they're. An Adaptec 2742-T with 2 drives, and a CD-Rom Apr 13 13:16:40 twirl /kernel: eisa0: Apr 13 13:16:40 twirl /kernel: Probing for devices on the EISA bus Apr 13 13:16:40 twirl /kernel: ahc0: at 0x3c00-0x3cff irq 11 on eisa0 slot 3 Apr 13 13:16:40 twirl /kernel: ahc0: aic7770 <= Rev C, Twin Channel, A SCSI Id=7, B SCSI Id=7, 4 SCBs Apr 13 13:16:40 twirl /kernel: ahc0 waiting for scsi devices to settle Apr 13 13:16:40 twirl /kernel: (ahc0:0:0): "QUANTUM FIREBALL1080S 1Q09" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 Apr 13 13:16:40 twirl /kernel: sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 1042MB (2134305 512 byte sectors) Apr 13 13:16:40 twirl /kernel: (ahc0:1:0): "MAXTOR LXT-213S 4.57" type 0 fixed SCSI 1 Apr 13 13:16:40 twirl /kernel: sd1(ahc0:1:0): Direct-Access 202MB (415436 512 byte sectors) Apr 13 13:16:40 twirl /kernel: (ahc0:2:0): "COMPAQ CD-ROM CR-503BCQ 1.1c" type 5 removable SCSI 2 Apr 13 13:16:40 twirl /kernel: cd0(ahc0:2:0): CD-ROM can't get the size Apr 13 13:16:40 twirl /kernel: ahc0 waiting for scsi devices to settle Here are the errors that I grabbed from /var/log/messages Apr 13 18:17:53 twirl /kernel: Unexpected busfree. LASTPHASE == 0x0 Apr 13 18:17:54 twirl /kernel: SEQADDR == 0x12a Apr 13 18:18:03 twirl /kernel: Timedout SCB handled by another timeout Apr 13 18:18:23 twirl /kernel: sd0(ahc0:0:0): UNIT ATTENTION asc:29,0 Apr 13 18:18:23 twirl /kernel: sd0(ahc0:0:0): Power on, reset, or bus device r$ Apr 13 18:18:23 twirl /kernel: , retries:4 Apr 13 18:49:35 twirl /kernel: Unexpected busfree. LASTPHASE == 0x40 Apr 13 18:49:35 twirl /kernel: SEQADDR == 0x12b Apr 13 18:49:35 twirl /kernel: spec_getpages: I/O read error Apr 13 18:49:35 twirl /kernel: vm_fault: pager input (probably hardware) error,$ Apr 13 18:49:36 twirl /kernel: sd0(ahc0:0:0): NOT READY asc:4,10 Apr 13 18:49:36 twirl /kernel: , retries:4 Apr 13 18:49:36 twirl /kernel: sd0(ahc0:0:0): NOT READY asc:4,10 Apr 13 18:49:36 twirl /kernel: , retries:3 Apr 13 18:49:36 twirl /kernel: sd0(ahc0:0:0): NOT READY asc:4,10 Apr 13 18:49:36 twirl /kernel: , retries:2 and they continue on a bit more until they get to Apr 13 18:49:38 twirl /kernel: sd0(ahc0:0:0): NOT READY asc:4,10 Apr 13 18:49:38 twirl /kernel: , FAILURE any help with resolving this problem would be helpful. Brad bsmith@bfmni.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 13 21:48:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16569 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:48:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from paleale.cisco.com (paleale.cisco.com [171.69.95.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA16564 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 04:48:48 GMT (envelope-from narana@cisco.com) Received: from jewel-ss20.cisco.com (jewel-ss20.cisco.com [172.20.32.138]) by paleale.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA07112; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (narana@localhost) by jewel-ss20.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.WS.1.2) id VAA02246; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804140448.VAA02246@jewel-ss20.cisco.com> From: Narana Kannappan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Narana Kannappan Subject: Printing with hp deskjet 722c In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15p7 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm haveing trouble printing from my hp deskjet 722c printer. Here are the details * running 2.2.5 * printer connected to /dev/lpt0. dmesg recognises it. * lptest > /dev/lpt0 does NOT provide any output. * printer works fine on win-95. * info on win-95 says that 2-way communication to printer is working correctly. -any suggestions ? Thanks, Narana. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 13 21:52:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17010 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:52:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from brownale.cisco.com (brownale.cisco.com [171.69.95.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA17002 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 04:52:24 GMT (envelope-from narana@cisco.com) Received: from jewel-ss20.cisco.com (jewel-ss20.cisco.com [172.20.32.138]) by brownale.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA26565; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (narana@localhost) by jewel-ss20.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/CISCO.WS.1.2) id VAA02249; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804140451.VAA02249@jewel-ss20.cisco.com> From: Narana Kannappan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Narana Kannappan Subject: Rvplayer on freeBSD In-Reply-To: <199804140448.VAA02246@jewel-ss20.cisco.com> References: <199804140448.VAA02246@jewel-ss20.cisco.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15p7 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, Raplayer 5.0 isnt supported by Progressive Networks for freeBSD. Are there any alternatives to listen to the wonderful music stored in RealAudio 5.0 format ? Thanks, Narana. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 13 21:57:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA18431 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:57:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from titus.stade.co.uk (root@stade.demon.co.uk [158.152.29.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA18416 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 04:57:17 GMT (envelope-from aw1@titus.stade.co.uk) Received: (from aw1@localhost) by titus.stade.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.3) id DAA23623; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:39:23 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980414033923.31672@stade.co.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:39:23 +0100 From: Adrian Wontroba To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MFS in -stable? Reply-To: aw1@stade.co.uk Mail-Followup-To: stable@freebsd.org References: <199804120107.SAA11809@ns.frihet.com> <199804132207.PAA04585@freebie.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199804132207.PAA04585@freebie.dcfinc.com>; from Chad R. Larson on Mon, Apr 13, 1998 at 03:07:26PM -0700 Organization: Stade Computers Ltd, UK X-Phone: +(44) 121 681 6677 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, Apr 13, 1998 at 03:07:26PM -0700, Chad R. Larson wrote: > But if you left the memory available for Kernel buffers, wouldn't you get the performance without the management headaches? No. MFS is great for /tmp filesystems, with transient files (eg, cc intermediate files). With a disc based filesystem you will have the "overheads" of creating and removing directory entries at least. For a normal FreeBSD user the management headache boils down to something like this in /etc/fstab: /dev/sd0s2b /tmp mfs rw 0 0 and "options MFS" in their kernel configuration. Improving the existing code seems to be where the headaches lie. -- Adrian Wontroba, Stade Computers Limited. phone: (+44) 121 681 6677 Mail info@accu.org for information about the Association of C and C++ Users or see To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 13 23:09:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01616 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:09:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxyb2.san.rr.com (proxyb2-atm.san.rr.com [204.210.0.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01545 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:07:56 GMT (envelope-from erich@compecon.com) Received: from compecon.com (dt083na0.san.rr.com [204.210.25.160]) by proxyb2.san.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13111; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3532FD4C.8A62813A@compecon.com> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:08:12 -0700 From: unsafe at any speed X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Narana Kannappan CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Printing with hp deskjet 722c References: <199804140448.VAA02246@jewel-ss20.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Narana Kannappan wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm haveing trouble printing from my hp deskjet 722c printer. > > Here are the details > > * running 2.2.5 > * printer connected to /dev/lpt0. dmesg recognises it. > * lptest > /dev/lpt0 does NOT provide any output. > * printer works fine on win-95. > * info on win-95 says that 2-way communication to printer is > working correctly. > > -any suggestions ? I am pretty sure you're out of luck printing to a DeskJet 722c from FreeBSD. It is one of HP's Windows-only printers and is completely dependent on the Windows driver even to print plain text. Eric Hedstrom erich@compecon.com p.s. this should be in -questions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 14 00:27:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13748 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:27:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uranus.planet-three.com (homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA13733 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:27:18 GMT (envelope-from scot@poptart.org) Received: from Jupiter.planet-three.com (jupiter.planet-three.com [195.171.203.100]) by uranus.planet-three.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00804; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:27:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by Jupiter.planet-three.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA27347; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:27:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from scot@planet-three.com) X-Authentication-Warning: Jupiter.planet-three.com: scot owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:27:02 +0100 (BST) From: Scot Elliott To: Brad Smith cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI Problems In-Reply-To: <002b01bd674b$cd3c2140$6403a8c0@whatzit.comstyle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I had this problem a while ago, and it dissapeared when I reduced the speed-settings for the disks in the SCSI BIOS... when the U/W disks were set to 40Mb/sec, the machine routinely hung for periods of minutes with these errors. When I changed this to 20-something (26ish?) it all started to work a tad more smoothly. Hope that helps. Out of interest, does anyone know why this happens - is it the disks not keeping up with the controller, the controller not keeping up with the disks, or a driver problem? Cheers, Scot On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Brad Smith wrote: > Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:19:43 -0400 > From: Brad Smith > To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: SCSI Problems > > Just 2 days ago I CVSup'd my source tree and re-compiled the kernel & LKM's > and rebooted without any problems. Then when I came back the next morning > the box was totally unresponsive except for ping's. and all kinds of SCSI > errors which ive never seen before this kernel upgrade were on the screen. > Last kernel was from Feb 17th I think it was or somewhere near they're. > > An Adaptec 2742-T with 2 drives, and a CD-Rom > > Apr 13 13:16:40 twirl /kernel: eisa0: > Apr 13 13:16:40 twirl /kernel: Probing for devices on the EISA bus > Apr 13 13:16:40 twirl /kernel: ahc0: at > 0x3c00-0x3cff irq 11 on eisa0 slot 3 > Apr 13 13:16:40 twirl /kernel: ahc0: aic7770 <= Rev C, Twin Channel, A SCSI > Id=7, B SCSI Id=7, 4 SCBs > Apr 13 13:16:40 twirl /kernel: ahc0 waiting for scsi devices to settle > Apr 13 13:16:40 twirl /kernel: (ahc0:0:0): "QUANTUM FIREBALL1080S 1Q09" type > 0 fixed SCSI 2 > Apr 13 13:16:40 twirl /kernel: sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 1042MB (2134305 > 512 byte sectors) > Apr 13 13:16:40 twirl /kernel: (ahc0:1:0): "MAXTOR LXT-213S 4.57" type 0 > fixed SCSI 1 > Apr 13 13:16:40 twirl /kernel: sd1(ahc0:1:0): Direct-Access 202MB (415436 > 512 byte sectors) > Apr 13 13:16:40 twirl /kernel: (ahc0:2:0): "COMPAQ CD-ROM CR-503BCQ 1.1c" > type 5 removable SCSI 2 > Apr 13 13:16:40 twirl /kernel: cd0(ahc0:2:0): CD-ROM can't get the size > Apr 13 13:16:40 twirl /kernel: ahc0 waiting for scsi devices to settle > > Here are the errors that I grabbed from /var/log/messages > > Apr 13 18:17:53 twirl /kernel: Unexpected busfree. LASTPHASE == 0x0 > Apr 13 18:17:54 twirl /kernel: SEQADDR == 0x12a > Apr 13 18:18:03 twirl /kernel: Timedout SCB handled by another timeout > Apr 13 18:18:23 twirl /kernel: sd0(ahc0:0:0): UNIT ATTENTION asc:29,0 > Apr 13 18:18:23 twirl /kernel: sd0(ahc0:0:0): Power on, reset, or bus > device r$ > Apr 13 18:18:23 twirl /kernel: , retries:4 > Apr 13 18:49:35 twirl /kernel: Unexpected busfree. LASTPHASE == 0x40 > Apr 13 18:49:35 twirl /kernel: SEQADDR == 0x12b > Apr 13 18:49:35 twirl /kernel: spec_getpages: I/O read error > Apr 13 18:49:35 twirl /kernel: vm_fault: pager input (probably hardware) > error,$ > Apr 13 18:49:36 twirl /kernel: sd0(ahc0:0:0): NOT READY asc:4,10 > Apr 13 18:49:36 twirl /kernel: , retries:4 > Apr 13 18:49:36 twirl /kernel: sd0(ahc0:0:0): NOT READY asc:4,10 > Apr 13 18:49:36 twirl /kernel: , retries:3 > Apr 13 18:49:36 twirl /kernel: sd0(ahc0:0:0): NOT READY asc:4,10 > Apr 13 18:49:36 twirl /kernel: , retries:2 > > and they continue on a bit more until they get to > > Apr 13 18:49:38 twirl /kernel: sd0(ahc0:0:0): NOT READY asc:4,10 > Apr 13 18:49:38 twirl /kernel: , FAILURE > > any help with resolving this problem would be helpful. > > Brad > bsmith@bfmni.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott (scot@poptart.org) | Work: +44 (0)171 7046777 PGP fingerprint: FCAE9ED3A234FEB59F8C7F9DDD112D | Home: +44 (0)181 8961019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 14 00:31:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14591 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:31:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA14553 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:31:32 GMT (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id HAA02323; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:50:57 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199804140550.HAA02323@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Rvplayer on freeBSD To: narana@cisco.com (Narana Kannappan) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:50:57 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, narana@cisco.com In-Reply-To: <199804140451.VAA02249@jewel-ss20.cisco.com> from "Narana Kannappan" at Apr 13, 98 09:51:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Hi, > > Raplayer 5.0 isnt supported by Progressive Networks for freeBSD. you can use the linux version, it works fine with the emulation code. luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 14 01:00:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA19490 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:00:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA19472; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:00:03 GMT (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA09099; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:59:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Luigi Rizzo cc: narana@cisco.com (Narana Kannappan), stable@FreeBSD.ORG, smpatel@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rvplayer on freeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:50:57 +0200." <199804140550.HAA02323@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:59:24 -0700 Message-ID: <9096.892540764@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Not anymore, it's expired. :-( Hey Sujal, whatever happened to the idea of a FreeBSD 5.0 version of the RealAudio client? You guys gave up on that idea, eh? :( Jordan > > Hi, > > > > Raplayer 5.0 isnt supported by Progressive Networks for freeBSD. > > you can use the linux version, it works fine with the emulation code. > > luigi > -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- > Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione > email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa > tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) > fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ > _____________________________|______________________________________ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 14 01:14:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA21156 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:14:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA21137; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:14:07 GMT (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA02452; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:32:27 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199804140632.IAA02452@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Rvplayer on freeBSD To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:32:26 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: narana@cisco.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, smpatel@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9096.892540764@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Apr 14, 98 00:59:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Not anymore, it's expired. :-( where's the problem ? sysctl -w kern.linuxemu.clocklag=31536000 and you bring the clock seen by the linux emulation 1 yr behind... As someone said: one level of indirection [the linux module in our case] can solve a lot of problems... apart from that, the "expired" problem probably affects also linux users, isn't it ? cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 14 01:17:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA21819 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:17:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA21809; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:17:20 GMT (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id IAA02467; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:36:11 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199804140636.IAA02467@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Rvplayer on freeBSD To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:36:11 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, narana@cisco.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, smpatel@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199804140632.IAA02452@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from "Luigi Rizzo" at Apr 14, 98 08:32:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Not anymore, it's expired. :-( > > where's the problem ? > > sysctl -w kern.linuxemu.clocklag=31536000 > > and you bring the clock seen by the linux emulation 1 yr behind... I am kidding of course, there is no such sysctl variable... cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 14 02:12:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA27933 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 02:12:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA27888; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:12:13 GMT (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA09455; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 02:11:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Luigi Rizzo cc: narana@cisco.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, smpatel@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rvplayer on freeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:32:26 +0200." <199804140632.IAA02452@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 02:11:57 -0700 Message-ID: <9451.892545117@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > where's the problem ? > > sysctl -w kern.linuxemu.clocklag=31536000 > > and you bring the clock seen by the linux emulation 1 yr behind... Sorry, I guess I just wasn't thinking deviously enough. That's pretty darn devious, Luigi - I like it, but remind me never to play cards with you! :-) :-) > apart from that, the "expired" problem probably affects also linux > users, isn't it ? Yep. I really don't understand what's going on at Real Networks these days. :-( Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 14 02:14:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA28500 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 02:14:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA28449; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:14:26 GMT (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA09477; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 02:14:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Luigi Rizzo cc: narana@cisco.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, smpatel@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rvplayer on freeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:36:11 +0200." <199804140636.IAA02467@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 02:14:03 -0700 Message-ID: <9474.892545243@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Oh really? Shucks, I was about to go look - I was just thinking "that's kind of a cool idea, who implemented that anyway?" :-) Hmm. No work-around then. Oh well, I guess we're all stuck with the 3.0 client! Jordan > > > Not anymore, it's expired. :-( > > > > where's the problem ? > > > > sysctl -w kern.linuxemu.clocklag=31536000 > > > > and you bring the clock seen by the linux emulation 1 yr behind... > > I am kidding of course, there is no such sysctl variable... > > cheers > luigi > -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- > Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione > email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa > tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) > fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ > _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 14 03:41:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA12598 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:41:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rige.physik.fu-berlin.de (rige.physik.fu-berlin.de [160.45.33.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12568 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:41:03 GMT (envelope-from thimm@rige.physik.fu-berlin.de) Received: (from thimm@localhost) by rige.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00962; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:40:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from thimm) Message-ID: <19980414124022.07843@physik.fu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:40:22 +0200 From: Axel Thimm To: Leif Neland , Marc Giannoni Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CVSUP files References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Leif Neland on Mon, Apr 13, 1998 at 11:29:08PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, Apr 13, 1998 at 11:29:08PM +0200, Leif Neland wrote: > On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Marc Giannoni wrote: > > I'm using CVSUP to maintain a source tree for 'stable'. > > Is there any need to update the supfile, especially after > > a minor (major) release? (e.g. 2.2.5 -> 2.2.6) > > No, [...] For a major update (when e.g. 3.0-stable comes out) you would need to change the line *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_2_2 accordingly. Since /usr/share/examples/cvsup is updated when making the world, you could choose to use /usr/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile instead. e.g. cvsup -h cvsup.the_nearest_I_found.freebsd.org /usr/.../stable-supfile Last time it was changed ... today ;) > # $Id: stable-supfile,v 1.2.2.8 1997/10/14 03:24:37 jdp Exp $ If your cvsup'ing machine is not the one being `make world'ed on you can use /usr/src/share/examples/cvsup/stable-supfile instead. Regards, Axel. -- Axel Thimm Axel.Thimm@physik.fu-berlin.de Axel.Thimm@ifh.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 14 04:10:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA19374 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 04:10:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ukconnect.net (mail.ukconnect.net [195.219.13.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA19321 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:10:33 GMT (envelope-from phil@virtek.com) Received: from phil.ukconnect.net (phil.ukconnect.net [195.219.14.2]) by mail.virtek.com (NTMail 3.03.0014/1.aa3h) with ESMTP id ka004326 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:09:36 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980414102533.00856cf0@mail.virtek.com> X-Sender: phil@mail.virtek.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:25:33 +0100 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Phil Allsopp Subject: ISDN cards and FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Is anyone aware of any cheap ISDN internal cards that can run under FreeBSD (with the relevant drivers etc.) Phil Regards - Phil. phil@virtek.com GSI Web site : http://www.virtek.com New site http://www.gensim.com (coming soon) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 14 07:24:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA20555 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:24:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from st-lcremean.tidalwave.net (lee@st-lcremean.tidalwave.net [208.213.203.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20534 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:23:58 GMT (envelope-from lee@st-lcremean.tidalwave.net) Received: (from lee@localhost) by st-lcremean.tidalwave.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA08602; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:23:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lee) Message-ID: <19980414102341.16278@st-lcremean.tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:23:41 -0400 From: Lee Cremeans To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rvplayer on freeBSD Reply-To: lcremean@tidalwave.net References: <199804140632.IAA02452@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> <9451.892545117@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <9451.892545117@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Tue, Apr 14, 1998 at 02:11:57AM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 2.2-RELEASE X-Evil: microsoft.com Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, Apr 14, 1998 at 02:11:57AM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > where's the problem ? > > > > sysctl -w kern.linuxemu.clocklag=31536000 > > > > and you bring the clock seen by the linux emulation 1 yr behind... > > Sorry, I guess I just wasn't thinking deviously enough. That's pretty > darn devious, Luigi - I like it, but remind me never to play cards > with you! :-) :-) > > > apart from that, the "expired" problem probably affects also linux > > users, isn't it ? > > Yep. I really don't understand what's going on at Real Networks > these days. :-( FWIW, the release (non-expiring) version of RealPlayer 5.0 is available now at RealNetworks' site. I downloaded it yesterday; make sure you tell their CGI that you want Linux 2.0-ELF. -- Lee C. -- Manassas, VA, USA (WakkyMouse on DALnet #watertower) A! JW223 YWD+++^ri P&B++ SL+++^i GDF B&M KK--i MD+++i P++ I++++ Did $++ E5/10/70/3c/73ac/95/96 H2 PonPippi Ay77 M | lcremean@tidalwave.net FreeBSD/Linux/Unix hacker...Win95 and M$ evil! (go see www.freebsd.org) My home page: http://st-lcremean.tidalwave.net/~lee | finger me for geek code To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 14 07:55:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA26640 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:55:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from euthyphro.uchicago.edu (euthyphro.uchicago.edu [128.135.21.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26628 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:55:19 GMT (envelope-from sfarrell@phaedrus.uchicago.edu) Received: from phaedrus.uchicago.edu (phaedrus [128.135.21.10]) by euthyphro.uchicago.edu (8.8.6/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA14636; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:55:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from sfarrell@localhost) by phaedrus.uchicago.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) id JAA02772; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:55:14 -0500 (CDT) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rvplayer on freeBSD References: <9096.892540764@time.cdrom.com> From: stephen farrell Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 14 Apr 1998 09:55:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message of "Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:59:24 -0700" Message-ID: <87wwcscv1p.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.3/XEmacs 20.3 - "Vatican City" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > Not anymore, it's expired. :-( I hate the fucking web! I cannot find a single realvideo stream that i can look at. Every goddam place uses the plugin which doesn't work (am I missing something? any way to set it up so realvideo plugins work?). Everyone uses javascript links that make it impossible to see if they point to .ram's. None of the sites on real's homepage that are supposed to point realvideo sites have any realvideo to find. 20 minutes and I cannot find a single realvideo stream to confirm this, but... realvideo hasn't expired for me! I can still watch my pirated southpark episodes. what are you talking about? Do you still have the beta? I have 5.0 release for linux. -- Steve Farrell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 14 08:29:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA01875 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:29:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phobos.walker.dom (pm4-03.ior.com [204.212.119.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01867 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:29:40 GMT (envelope-from kew@timesink.spk.wa.us) Received: from timesink.spk.wa.us (localhost.walker.dom [127.0.0.1]) by phobos.walker.dom (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA08307; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:29:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kew@timesink.spk.wa.us) Message-ID: <353380D7.29C4F70E@timesink.spk.wa.us> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:29:27 -0700 From: Keith Walker Organization: Keith's House X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rvplayer on freeBSD References: <9096.892540764@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Hey Sujal, whatever happened to the idea of a FreeBSD 5.0 version > of the RealAudio client? You guys gave up on that idea, eh? :( > For what it's worth, I recently complained to the OSS people about their code not working with the Linux emulator and RVPlayer. They acknowledged the fact and said a fix should be out by the end of the month. More importantly, and more on-topic, they also said that they are working with Real Networks to come up with a FreeBSD-specific version. kEIth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 14 08:49:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05865 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:49:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.frihet.com (root@frihet.bayarea.net [205.219.92.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05814 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:49:00 GMT (envelope-from tweten@ns.frihet.com) Received: from ns.frihet.com (tweten@localhost.frihet.com [127.0.0.1]) by ns.frihet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA18006; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:48:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tweten@ns.frihet.com) Message-Id: <199804141548.IAA18006@ns.frihet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 Reply-to: tweten@frihet.com To: chad@dcfinc.com Cc: pst@juniper.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MFS in -stable? From: "David E. Tweten" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:48:28 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Referring to MFS, chad@freebie.dcfinc.com said: >But if you left the memory available for Kernel buffers, wouldn't you >get the performance without the management headaches? You would get some of the benefit of MFS, if your temporary files were short-lived compared to the sync interval, if they didn't use up too many buffers, and if there weren't too much demand for real memory for processes. You'd still have to endure at least four synchronous disk writes per file for meta data, unless FreeBSD has implemented the recommendations of Ganger and Patt [USENIX SOSDI, 1994]. Their ideas on how to avoid synchronous meta data I/O without endangering file system integrity were definitely not part of 4.4BSD Lite. Synchronous writes to an MFS are _much_ faster than they are to a real disk. -- David E. Tweten | 2047-bit PGP fingerprint: | tweten@frihet.com 12141 Atrium Drive | E9 59 E7 5C 6B 88 B8 90 | tweten@and.com Saratoga, CA 95070-3162 | 65 30 2A A4 A0 BC 49 AE | (408) 446-4131 Those who make good products sell products; those who don't, sell solutions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 14 10:01:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16907 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:01:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou1.iglou.com [192.107.41.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA16857 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:01:09 GMT (envelope-from patrick@cre8tivegroup.com) Received: from gateway.cre8tivegroup.com [204.255.227.117] by iglou.com with esmtp (8.7.3/8.6.12) id 0yP94x-00034o-00; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:01:03 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Organization: The Creative Group From: Patrick Gardella To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: First Make Buildworld Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I am doing my first buildworld on my existing 2.2.5 machine to 2.2-stable. I am using cvsup to track the source. I had just run cvsup (RELENG_2_2) to make sure I was up to date. When I went to buildworld today, I found quite a few errors in my log file, the biggest being (A sample of the others are below): ===> gnu/usr.bin/groff/devX100 "Makefile", line 6: Could not find /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/devX100/../../../../contrib/groff/devX100/ Makefile.sub make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue *** Error code 1 This occurs in the "Rebuilding the obj tree" step. A sample of the others are below. I've gone over the tutorial as well as Greg Lehey's book, but I don't know how to fix these. Should I just wait a day or so and watch if the source gets changed? Or how should I fix it to make it work? Patrick Gardella Other errors (samples): ===> gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools cannot open /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/version.c: no such file "../Makefile.inc", line 31: warning: "sed -e 's/.*\"\([^ \"]*\)[ \"].*/\1/' < /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/version.c" returned non-zero status /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools created for /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools ===> gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int cannot open /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/version.c: no such file "../Makefile.inc", line 31: warning: "sed -e 's/.*\"\([^ \"]*\)[ \"].*/\1/' < /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/version.c" r eturned non-zero status /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int created for /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int ===> gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp cannot open /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp/../../../../contrib/gcc/version.c: no such file "/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp/../Makefile.inc", line 31: warning: "sed -e 's/.*\"\([^ \"]*\)[ \"].*/\1/' < /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp/../../../.. /contrib/gcc/version.c" returned non-zero status /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp created for /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp ===> gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1 cannot open /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcc/version.c: no such file "/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../Makefile.inc", line 31: warning: "sed -e 's/.*\"\([^ \"]*\)[ \"].*/\1/' < /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../.. /contrib/gcc/version.c" returned non-zero status /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1 created for /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1 ===> gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc cannot open /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc/../../../../contrib/gcc/version.c: no such file "/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc/../Makefile.inc", line 31: warning: "sed -e 's/.*\"\([^ \"]*\)[ \"].*/\1/' < /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc/../../../../c ontrib/gcc/version.c" returned non-zero status /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc created for /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc ===> gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1obj cannot open /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1obj/../../../../contrib/gcc/version.c: no such file "/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1obj/../Makefile.inc", line 31: warning: "sed -e 's/.*\"\([^ \"]*\)[ \"].*/\1/' < /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1obj/../.. /../../contrib/gcc/version.c" returned non-zero status /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1obj created for /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1obj To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 14 10:14:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA19780 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:14:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou1.iglou.com [192.107.41.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA19612 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:13:54 GMT (envelope-from patrick@cre8tivegroup.com) Received: from gateway.cre8tivegroup.com [204.255.227.117] by iglou.com with esmtp (8.7.3/8.6.12) id 0yP9HF-0003c4-00; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:13:46 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Organization: The Creative Group From: Patrick Gardella To: Patrick Gardella Subject: RE: First Make Buildworld Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Oh, never mind. I wasn't tracking src-contrib.... Grrr. Stupid mistake. Sorry for the wasted bandwidth. Patrick On 14-Apr-98 Patrick Gardella wrote: > I am doing my first buildworld on my existing 2.2.5 machine to 2.2-stable. I > am using cvsup to track the source. I had just run cvsup (RELENG_2_2) to > make > sure I was up to date. > > When I went to buildworld today, I found quite a few errors in my log file, > the > biggest being (A sample of the others are below): > > ===> gnu/usr.bin/groff/devX100 > "Makefile", line 6: Could not find > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/devX100/../../../../contrib/groff/devX100/ > Makefile.sub > make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue > *** Error code 1 > > This occurs in the "Rebuilding the obj tree" step. > > A sample of the others are below. > > I've gone over the tutorial as well as Greg Lehey's book, but I don't know > how > to fix these. Should I just wait a day or so and watch if the source gets > changed? Or how should I fix it to make it work? > > Patrick Gardella > > > > Other errors (samples): > ===> gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools > cannot open > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/version.c: > no such file > "../Makefile.inc", line 31: warning: "sed -e 's/.*\"\([^ \"]*\)[ \"].*/\1/' < > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools/../../../../contrib/gcc/version.c" > returned non-zero status > /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools created for > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools > ===> gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int > cannot open /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/version.c: > no such file > "../Makefile.inc", line 31: warning: "sed -e 's/.*\"\([^ \"]*\)[ \"].*/\1/' < > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int/../../../../contrib/gcc/version.c" r > eturned non-zero status > /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int created for > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_int > ===> gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp > cannot open /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp/../../../../contrib/gcc/version.c: no > such file > "/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp/../Makefile.inc", line 31: warning: "sed -e > 's/.*\"\([^ \"]*\)[ \"].*/\1/' < /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp/../../../.. > /contrib/gcc/version.c" returned non-zero status > /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp created for /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cpp > ===> gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1 > cannot open /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../../contrib/gcc/version.c: no > such file > "/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../Makefile.inc", line 31: warning: "sed -e > 's/.*\"\([^ \"]*\)[ \"].*/\1/' < /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1/../../../.. > /contrib/gcc/version.c" returned non-zero status > /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1 created for /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1 > ===> gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc > cannot open /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc/../../../../contrib/gcc/version.c: no > such file > "/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc/../Makefile.inc", line 31: warning: "sed -e > 's/.*\"\([^ \"]*\)[ \"].*/\1/' < /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc/../../../../c > ontrib/gcc/version.c" returned non-zero status > /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc created for /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc > ===> gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1obj > cannot open /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1obj/../../../../contrib/gcc/version.c: > no such file > "/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1obj/../Makefile.inc", line 31: warning: "sed -e > 's/.*\"\([^ \"]*\)[ \"].*/\1/' < /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1obj/../.. > /../../contrib/gcc/version.c" returned non-zero status > /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1obj created for > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1obj > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 14 10:37:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25174 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:37:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sun-test.hightek.com (sun-test.hightek.com [194.74.141.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA25136 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:36:59 GMT (envelope-from andreas@klemm2.hightek.com) Received: from klemm2.hightek.com ([195.90.203.76]) by sun-test.hightek.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with ESMTP id AAA13834; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:37:37 +0200 Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm2.hightek.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA19336; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:36:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980414193606.65328@hightek.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:36:06 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: Patrick Gardella , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: First Make Buildworld References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Patrick Gardella on Tue, Apr 14, 1998 at 01:01:57PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, Apr 14, 1998 at 01:01:57PM -0400, Patrick Gardella wrote: > I am doing my first buildworld on my existing 2.2.5 machine to 2.2-stable. I > am using cvsup to track the source. I had just run cvsup (RELENG_2_2) to make > sure I was up to date. Did you get the source files or the cvs files via cvsup ? If you mirror the cvs repository you have to checkout first. Did you start the make with cd /usr/src && make buildworld ??? -- B&K Gruppe - Wuppertal phone +49 202 7399 - 170 fax +49 202 7399 - 100 http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 14 11:05:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA29185 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:05:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (mailgw01.execpc.com [169.207.16.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA29168 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:05:28 GMT (envelope-from fpawlak@execpc.com) Received: from darkstar.connect.com (da-soocha-72.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.81.200]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.8.8) id SAA29000 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:05:27 GMT Received: from darkstar.connect.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkstar.connect.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01841 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:05:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199804141805.NAA01841@darkstar.connect.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:05:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Frank Pawlak Subject: Re: Rvplayer on freeBSD To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <353380D7.29C4F70E@timesink.spk.wa.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On 14 Apr, Keith Walker wrote: > Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> >> >> Hey Sujal, whatever happened to the idea of a FreeBSD 5.0 version >> of the RealAudio client? You guys gave up on that idea, eh? :( >> Hail! Hail! It's about fscking time. Frank > For what it's worth, I recently complained to the OSS people about their > code not working with the Linux emulator and RVPlayer. They acknowledged > the fact and said a fix should be out by the end of the month. More > importantly, and more on-topic, they also said that they are working > with Real Networks to come up with a FreeBSD-specific version. > > kEIth > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- ----------------------------- "At no time is freedom of speech more precious then when a man hits his thumb with a hammer." -- Marshall Lumsden To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 14 12:00:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15688 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:00:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ziplink.net (relay-0.ziplink.net [206.15.168.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15561 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:59:04 GMT (envelope-from lrios@ziplink.net) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net (zip1.ziplink.net [206.15.168.18]) by ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA24505 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:58:23 -0400 (EDT) From: lrios To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD and NT Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Heres my situation: I've installed FreeBSD on one physical disk and NT on another. I included boot easy with the install which should of booted either OS ?? At the moment I get the booteasy prompt menu with F1 going to FreeBSD and F5 going to disk two.. When I try to select FreeBSD it simply loops to the same prompt. When I try to boot off the second disk I get missing operating system... Am I doing something wrong?? If so what is it and what can I do to correct this issue???? ______ __ /___ / / / __ / /(@)__ / (@)__ / /__ lrios@ziplink.net / // / _ \/ / / _ \/ '_/ / //_/ .__/_/_/_//_/_/\_\ NASA TEAM / /__/_/___________________ `He who dies with the most toys win!` /___________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 14 14:37:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA18899 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:37:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from chain.freebsd.os.org.za (7PCSSgMu4OpsrMXniorCQH05ON2gBknX@chain.freebsd.os.org.za [196.7.74.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA18874 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 21:37:22 GMT (envelope-from khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za) Received: from localhost (khetan@localhost) by chain.freebsd.os.org.za (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta13/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA00675 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:36:00 +0200 (SAT) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:36:00 +0200 (SAT) From: Khetan Gajjar X-Sender: khetan@chain Reply-To: Khetan Gajjar To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Losing hostname after power-loss Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi. After a power-failure, my 2.2.6-STABLE machine decided to lose it's hostname from the rc.conf file. Nothing else was affected. Initially, I thought someone hacked my box, but a careful look at logs and running the security script after a fresh CVSup revealed nothing. Has anyone else experienced this ? --- Khetan Gajjar (!kg1779) khetan@iafrica.com (w); khetan@os.org.za (h) http://www.os.org.za/~khetan | Finger: khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za UUNET Internet Africa Support | FreeBSD enthusiast-www2.za.freebsd.org A computer without Microsoft and Intel is like chocolate cake without tomato sauce and mustard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 14 16:42:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17864 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:42:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from set.spradley.tmi.net (set.spradley.tmi.net [207.170.107.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA17852 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:42:33 GMT (envelope-from tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net) Received: from localhost (set.spradley.tmi.net) [127.0.0.1] by set.spradley.tmi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yPFKz-0003qR-00; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:42:01 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Khetan Gajjar cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Losing hostname after power-loss In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Apr 1998 23:36:00 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:41:57 -0500 From: Ted Spradley Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Hi. > > After a power-failure, my 2.2.6-STABLE machine decided to > lose it's hostname from the rc.conf file. Nothing else was > affected. You mean one line was deleted from the file? Did the file creation date mean anything to you? This happened to me recently (scary) but it turned out that rc.conf was completely missing. I keep mine in RCS, and I apparently forget the -u option the last time I checked it in. Recovery was easy once I figured out *why* it didn't know its own name. > Initially, I thought someone hacked my box, > but a careful look at logs and running the security script > after a fresh CVSup revealed nothing. > > Has anyone else experienced this ? > > --- > Khetan Gajjar (!kg1779) khetan@iafrica.com (w); khetan@os.org.za (h) > http://www.os.org.za/~khetan | Finger: khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za > UUNET Internet Africa Support | FreeBSD enthusiast-www2.za.freebsd.org > A computer without Microsoft and Intel is like chocolate cake without > tomato sauce and mustard > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 14 23:04:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01179 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:04:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01158 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:04:45 GMT (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id IAA20692; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:00:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA15793; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:53:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980415075312.25337@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:53:12 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: lrios , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD and NT References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from lrios on Tue, Apr 14, 1998 at 02:58:23PM -0400 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, Apr 14, 1998 at 02:58:23PM -0400, lrios wrote: > Heres my situation: > > I've installed FreeBSD on one physical disk and NT on another. I included > boot easy with the install which should of booted either OS ?? At the > moment I get the booteasy prompt menu with F1 going to FreeBSD and F5 > going to disk two.. When I try to select FreeBSD it simply loops to the > same prompt. When I try to boot off the second disk I get missing > operating system... Am I doing something wrong?? If so what is it and > what can I do to correct this issue???? Did you use the same drive geometry on both disks ? To be more specific, did you install FreeBSD with a cooperative partitioning, which allows booting multiple OS's ?! During FreeBSD installation you have been prompted for that and I hope you choosed the correct option. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Disk name: sd0 FDISK Partition Editor DISK Geometry: 2063 cyls/64 heads/32 sectors = 4225024 sectors Offset Size End Name PType Desc Subtype Flags !-> 0 32 31 - 6 unused 0 32 1638368 1638399 sd0s1 2 fat 6 !-> 1638400 2586624 4225023 sd0s2 3 freebsd 165 C> !-> 4225024 1701 4226724 - 6 unused 0 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Does it look like this ? Or is this a "one liner" ? You can see this by calling /stand/sysinstall Menue: Custom->Partition -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 14 23:37:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA10819 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:37:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from link.cpt.nsc.iafrica.com (b+fpCOIuZfXFR/Iip0yXrzFl52G/ThUE@link.cpt.nsc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA10690 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:37:17 GMT (envelope-from khetan@link.freebsd.os.org.za) Received: from localhost (khetan@localhost) by link.cpt.nsc.iafrica.com (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta13/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA01805; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:36:32 +0200 (SAT) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:36:31 +0200 (SAT) From: Khetan Gajjar X-Sender: khetan@link.cpt.nsc.iafrica.com Reply-To: Khetan Gajjar To: Ted Spradley cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Losing hostname after power-loss In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Ted Spradley wrote: >You mean one line was deleted from the file? Did the file creation date >mean anything to you? The line wasn't deleted, but the contents of the hostname (ie the bit between the " ") was deleted. The creation date was when I switched the machine back on. >This happened to me recently (scary) but it turned out that rc.conf was >completely missing. I keep mine in RCS, and I apparently forget the -u >option the last time I checked it in. Recovery was easy once I figured >out *why* it didn't know its own name. Hmmm, ok. --- Khetan Gajjar (!kg1779) khetan@iafrica.com (w); khetan@os.org.za (h) http://www.os.org.za/~khetan | Finger: khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za UUNET Internet Africa Support | FreeBSD enthusiast-www2.za.freebsd.org A computer without Microsoft and Intel is like chocolate cake without tomato sauce and mustard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 14 23:59:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19850 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:59:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from snitterly.nanoteq.co.za (snitterly.nanoteq.co.za [196.37.90.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA19723 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:59:29 GMT (envelope-from pvl@nanoteq.com) Received: from groenie.nanoteq.co.za (groenie.nanoteq.co.za [196.37.91.45]) by snitterly.nanoteq.co.za (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id JAA13939; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:02:21 GMT Received: by groenie.nanoteq.co.za with Microsoft Mail id <01BD684C.CC764C70@groenie.nanoteq.co.za>; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:59:29 -0000 Message-ID: <01BD684C.CC764C70@groenie.nanoteq.co.za> From: "P. van Leeuwen" To: "'lrios'" , "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: RE: FreeBSD and NT Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:59:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk You don't need to use booteasy, the NT boot loader actually worrks very well. Set NT up to boot and copy the file /usr/mdec/boot1 to the NT boot drive's root directory. Then edit boot.ini and add a line C:\boot1="FreeBSD" (I assume NT is on C:, but it could be anywhere) under [operating systems] You will now be able to choose FreeBSD at boot time. Good luck Pierre-Andre van Leeuwen Electronic Engineer Nanoteq (Pty) Ltd http://www.nanoteq.com pvl@nanoteq.com Ph: +27 12 665-1338 Fax: +27 12 665-1343 -----Original Message----- From: lrios [SMTP:lrios@ziplink.net] Sent: 14 April 1998 20:58 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD and NT Heres my situation: I've installed FreeBSD on one physical disk and NT on another. I included boot easy with the install which should of booted either OS ?? At the moment I get the booteasy prompt menu with F1 going to FreeBSD and F5 going to disk two.. When I try to select FreeBSD it simply loops to the same prompt. When I try to boot off the second disk I get missing operating system... Am I doing something wrong?? If so what is it and what can I do to correct this issue???? ______ __ /___ / / / __ / /(@)__ / (@)__ / /__ lrios@ziplink.net / // / _ \/ / / _ \/ '_/ / //_/ .__/_/_/_//_/_/\_\ NASA TEAM / /__/_/___________________ `He who dies with the most toys win!` /___________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 03:16:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA17448 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 03:16:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from saten.dyn.ml.org (201.ppp3.gulftel.com [208.222.58.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17419 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:16:17 GMT (envelope-from lists@saten.dyn.ml.org) Received: from localhost (lists@localhost) by saten.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA10561; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:15:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:15:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Phillip Salzman To: Phil Allsopp cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISDN cards and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980414102533.00856cf0@mail.virtek.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I do not know about internal cards, but I heard the Bitsurfer Pro was a good ISDN controller, I am almost sure its is external. It runs on the basic commands that modems do, and works well. On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Phil Allsopp wrote: > Is anyone aware of any cheap ISDN internal cards that can run under FreeBSD > (with the relevant drivers etc.) > > Phil > -- Phillip Salzman "One with the Chuck" ________http://www.gulftel.com/~eclipse/ |FreeBSD|______ http://gulf.net/~eclipse/ | 2.2.6-STABLE| http://saten.dyn.ml.org/ |___________________| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 04:08:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA29239 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:08:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from saten.dyn.ml.org (201.ppp3.gulftel.com [208.222.58.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA29234 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:08:53 GMT (envelope-from lists@saten.dyn.ml.org) Received: from localhost (lists@localhost) by saten.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA10683 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:08:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:08:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Phillip Salzman To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RealVideo Player Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I'm running it in -stable with the linux emu built into the kernel, it starts and all...but cannot decode the stuff. Is anyone else having a problem simular to mine? Phillip To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 04:20:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA02148 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:20:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jua.res.cmu.edu (natty@JUA.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.74.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02129; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:20:52 GMT (envelope-from natty@jua.res.cmu.edu) Received: from localhost (natty@localhost) by jua.res.cmu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA07751; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:43:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Natty Dreds To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: x11amp - possible with -STABLE? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I searched the mail list archives in vain on the web page; I was just wondering if it was possible to use the Linux x11amp with FreeBSD-STABLE? In the archives people seem to have success using it with -CURRENT. On #freebsd, I was informed that it would not work with STABLE, only CURRENT, due to changes in the Linux emulation library. I was also informed that the changed Linux-emul would not be migrated back to -STABLE but was not given a reason why. If this is the case, I'm just curious as to why... Are there underlying differences in the CURRENT kernel that make this impossible? thanks for your time... and sorry if I shouldnt have send this to the stable list; kindly ignore me if that is the case :) --graham To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 04:26:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA03364 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 04:26:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from saten.dyn.ml.org (201.ppp3.gulftel.com [208.222.58.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03336; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:26:47 GMT (envelope-from lists@saten.dyn.ml.org) Received: from localhost (lists@localhost) by saten.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA10733; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:26:37 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:26:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Phillip Salzman To: Natty Dreds cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: x11amp - possible with -STABLE? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Nope, doesn't work. The Linux-emu is different in -CURRENT and -STABLE. I was running it when I ran a -CURRENT box, but since deleted it when I decided to go back to -STABLE. Phillip To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 05:03:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA08347 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:03:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08313; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:02:51 GMT (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id OAA05180; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:02:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:02:48 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: syscons.c References: <199804151006.MAA03552@sos.freebsd.dk> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 15 Apr 1998 14:02:47 +0200 In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Schmidt=27s?= message of =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Wed=2C?= 15 Apr 1998 =?iso-8859-1?Q?12=3A06=3A49?= +0200 (MEST)=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22?= Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id MAA08317 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Søren Schmidt writes: > In reply to Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav who wrote: > > There was a discussion a while back (jan/feb) about graphical > > screensavers and changes needed in /sys/i386/isa/syscons.s to support > > them. AFAIK none of these changes have been committed. I want to > > commit *one* of them (the most conservative one): slightly change the > > order in which things are done in scrn_timer.c to prevent the deadlock > > that arises on wakeup (syscons wants to stop the screensaver but > > doesn't dare to because the console is in an unknown mode). > > That will be OK.. OK, I committed this to the 1.182.2 branch which is what goes into STABLE unless I am mistaken. -- fprintf(stderr, "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out.\n"); To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 05:13:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA10183 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:13:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10068; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:12:45 GMT (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12483; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:12:35 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199804151212.OAA12483@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: syscons.c In-Reply-To: from =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag=2DErling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= at "Apr 15, 98 02:02:47 pm" To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:12:35 +0200 (MEST) Cc: sos@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In reply to Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav who wrote: > Søren Schmidt writes: > > In reply to Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav who wrote: > > > There was a discussion a while back (jan/feb) about graphical > > > screensavers and changes needed in /sys/i386/isa/syscons.s to support > > > them. AFAIK none of these changes have been committed. I want to > > > commit *one* of them (the most conservative one): slightly change the > > > order in which things are done in scrn_timer.c to prevent the deadlock > > > that arises on wakeup (syscons wants to stop the screensaver but > > > doesn't dare to because the console is in an unknown mode). > > > > That will be OK.. > > OK, I committed this to the 1.182.2 branch which is what goes into > STABLE unless I am mistaken. What about -current ?? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 05:23:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA12919 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:23:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12858; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:23:01 GMT (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA17113; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:20:02 +1000 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:20:02 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199804151220.WAA17113@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, sos@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: syscons.c Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >OK, I committed this to the 1.182.2 branch which is what goes into >STABLE unless I am mistaken. The "STABLE" branch is named RELENG_2_2. 1.182.2 may sort of work for syscons.c, but it messes up at least the "Branch:" line in the commit logs. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 05:52:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17317 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:52:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17237; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:51:30 GMT (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id OAA12510; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:51:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:51:27 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: syscons.c References: <199804151212.OAA12483@sos.freebsd.dk> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 15 Apr 1998 14:51:26 +0200 In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Schmidt=27s?= message of =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Wed=2C?= 15 Apr 1998 =?iso-8859-1?Q?14=3A12=3A35?= +0200 (MEST)=?iso-8859-1?Q?=22?= Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id MAA17240 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Søren Schmidt writes: > In reply to Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav who wrote: > > OK, I committed this to the 1.182.2 branch which is what goes into > > STABLE unless I am mistaken. > What about -current ?? I'm afraid to touch -current as long as I don't run it myself. -- fprintf(stderr, "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out.\n"); To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 05:55:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18380 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 05:55:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA18066; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:54:55 GMT (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id OAA12979; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:54:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:54:53 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Evans Cc: sos@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: syscons.c References: <199804151220.WAA17113@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 15 Apr 1998 14:54:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: Bruce Evans's message of "Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:20:02 +1000" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Bruce Evans writes: > >OK, I committed this to the 1.182.2 branch which is what goes into > >STABLE unless I am mistaken. > > The "STABLE" branch is named RELENG_2_2. 1.182.2 may sort of work > for syscons.c, but it messes up at least the "Branch:" line in the > commit logs. Thanks, I'll remember that the next time. I looked through the output of 'cvs log' for 'STABLE' and didn't think to simply check which tag I was cvsupping. I'm still a little wet behind the ears... :) -- fprintf(stderr, "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out.\n"); To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 07:22:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA07414 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:22:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07404; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:22:29 GMT (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA23452; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:22:28 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id QAA25533; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:22:28 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980415162126.63181@follo.net> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:21:26 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: syscons.c References: <199804151212.OAA12483@sos.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3Cxzp7m4r6yep=2Efsf=40hrotti=2Eifi=2Euio=2Eno=3E=3B_from?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav__on_Wed=2C_Apr_15=2C_1998_a?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?t_02=3A51=3A26PM_+0200?= Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, Apr 15, 1998 at 02:51:26PM +0200, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > Søren Schmidt writes: > > In reply to Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav who wrote: > > > OK, I committed this to the 1.182.2 branch which is what goes into > > > STABLE unless I am mistaken. > > What about -current ?? > > I'm afraid to touch -current as long as I don't run it myself. Things should in general go into -current before going into -stable. Things one is 'afraid of touching' should definately go in -current first, if the code in -current and -stable is similar - it is much much much better to break -current than -stable, and -current is the codebase that will be carried forward - if it is only done in 2.2, it is likely to disappear when we go 3.0... Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 07:45:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA11013 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:45:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jli.com (jli.com [199.2.111.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA11004 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:45:36 GMT (envelope-from trost@cloud.rain.com) Received: (qmail 7996 invoked by uid 4); 15 Apr 1998 14:45:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 19285 invoked from network); 15 Apr 1998 14:43:22 -0000 Received: from localhost.cloud.rain.com (127.0.0.1) by localhost.cloud.rain.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 1998 14:43:21 -0000 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, dima@best.net (Dima Ruban) Subject: Re: kernel permissions References: <199804141826.LAA19469@burka.rdy.com> In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:26:07 PDT. <199804141826.LAA19469@burka.rdy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <19281.892651401.1@cloud.rain.com> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:43:21 -0700 Message-ID: <19282.892651401@cloud.rain.com> From: Bill Trost Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Dima Ruban writes: Is there a particular reason of kernel being installed with 555 root/wheel permissions instead of 550 root/kmem ? If nobody has nothing against it - I'll commit the change. Is "/kernel" typically the first command in the pipe, or should it appear in the middle? (-: Maybe I am missing something, but I see no reason for /kernel to have the execute bits set. I doubt that the boot loader cares, and no one wants to actually execute the kernel when it's already running. As for the world read permissions: Removing the read permissions seems like a gratuitious pseudo-security change. Is there any reason to prevent users from reading the kernel? Presumably, /usr/src/sys is readable anyhow, so a person could build their own kernel with the same configuration, so they may as well just copy the running one. Or, in other words -- if you are going to make a change, 0444 seems like the way to go. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 08:13:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA16265 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:13:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gateman.zeus.leitch.com (gateman.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16247 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:13:31 GMT (envelope-from woods@tap.zeus.leitch.com) Received: from zeus.leitch.com (tap.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.10]) by gateman.zeus.leitch.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/1.0) with ESMTP id LAA22050 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brain.zeus.leitch.com (brain.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.32]) by zeus.leitch.com (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.0) with ESMTP id LAA10269 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from woods@localhost) by brain.zeus.leitch.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28279; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:13:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from woods@tap.zeus.leitch.com) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804151513.LAA28279@brain.zeus.leitch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: woods@zeus.leitch.com (Greg A. Woods) To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-Reply-To: Bill Trost's message of "Wed, April 15, 1998 07:43:21 -0700" regarding "Re: kernel permissions " id <19282.892651401@cloud.rain.com> References: <199804141826.LAA19469@burka.rdy.com> <19282.892651401@cloud.rain.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.45 under Emacs 20.2.1 Reply-To: woods@zeus.leitch.com (Greg A. Woods) Organization: Planix, Inc.; Toronto, Ontario; Canada Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk [ On Wed, April 15, 1998 at 07:43:21 (-0700), Bill Trost wrote: ] > Subject: Re: kernel permissions > > Or, in other words -- if you are going to make a change, 0444 seems like > the way to go. Precisely. -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 443-1734 VE3TCP Planix, Inc. ; Secrets of the Weird To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 09:31:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02621 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:31:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ziplink.net (relay-0.ziplink.net [206.15.168.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02563 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:31:38 GMT (envelope-from lrios@ziplink.net) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net (zip1.ziplink.net [206.15.168.18]) by ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA28735 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:31:04 -0400 (EDT) From: lrios To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD and Sendmail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I'm currently running FreeBSD 2.2.5 on a Pentium II 266mhz machine with 256M ram and finding performace issues with Sendmail.. I've placed much load on this machine and found that I can old get about 200 emails per minute.. Just for comparison I did that same on a Linux machine running a 75 mhz Pentium and 32 mb ram and found that it could put about 500 per minute. I also found that the pentium two barely took a breath while the linux machine was at 20% idle (not a suprise).. Is that because of different memory managers or some type of kernel config?? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated... Would SYSVSHM or SYSVSEM make a difference?? ______ __ /___ / / / __ / /(@)__ / (@)__ / /__ lrios@ziplink.net / // / _ \/ / / _ \/ '_/ / //_/ .__/_/_/_//_/_/\_\ NASA TEAM / /__/_/___________________ `He who dies with the most toys win!` /___________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 09:44:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05611 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:44:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA05522 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:44:12 GMT (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yPVI3-0003An-00; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:44:03 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:44:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: lrios cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Sendmail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, lrios wrote: > I'm currently running FreeBSD 2.2.5 on a Pentium II 266mhz machine with > 256M ram and finding performace issues with Sendmail.. I've placed much > load on this machine and found that I can old get about 200 emails per > minute.. Just for comparison I did that same on a Linux machine running a What does "get 200 emails per minute" mean? Where did these message come from? Via SMTP or locally generated? Where did the messages go? SMTP or local delivery? > 75 mhz Pentium and 32 mb ram and found that it could put about 500 per > minute. I also found that the pentium two barely took a breath while the > linux machine was at 20% idle (not a suprise).. Is that because of > different memory managers or some type of kernel config?? Any ideas would > be greatly appreciated... Can't really tell what is going on, but I suspect that it some network or disk issue, and definitely NOT "memory manager" (VM) related. What kind of network card do you have? What kind of hard drive(s)? > Would SYSVSHM or SYSVSEM make a difference?? Not at all. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 09:53:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08222 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:53:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from burka.rdy.com (dima@burka.rdy.com [205.149.163.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08039; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:53:01 GMT (envelope-from dima@burka.rdy.com) Received: by burka.rdy.com id JAA00719; (8.8.8/RDY) Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804151652.JAA00719@burka.rdy.com> Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-Reply-To: <19282.892651401@cloud.rain.com> from Bill Trost at "Apr 15, 98 07:43:21 am" To: trost@cloud.rain.com (Bill Trost) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG X-Class: Fast Organization: HackerDome Reply-To: dima@best.net From: dima@best.net (Dima Ruban) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Bill Trost writes: > Dima Ruban writes: > Is there a particular reason of kernel being installed with 555 root/wheel > permissions instead of 550 root/kmem ? > > If nobody has nothing against it - I'll commit the change. > > Is "/kernel" typically the first command in the pipe, or should it > appear in the middle? (-: > > Maybe I am missing something, but I see no reason for /kernel to have > the execute bits set. I doubt that the boot loader cares, and no one > wants to actually execute the kernel when it's already running. Sure, 440 permissions are fine with me. > As for the world read permissions: Removing the read permissions seems > like a gratuitious pseudo-security change. Is there any reason to > prevent users from reading the kernel? Presumably, /usr/src/sys is In some case I don't want my users to read a kernel name list. > readable anyhow, so a person could build their own kernel with the same > configuration, so they may as well just copy the running one. You do not always have /usr/src/sys on your machine. Especially on a production enviroment. > Or, in other words -- if you are going to make a change, 0444 seems like > the way to go. I'd say 0440 > -- dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 09:57:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA09424 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:57:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from minotaur.labyrinth.net.au (minotaur.labyrinth.net.au [203.9.148.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09302 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:57:20 GMT (envelope-from ashley@labyrinth.net.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by minotaur.labyrinth.net.au (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA18513; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 02:56:04 +1000 (EST) Received: from minerva-as53.labyrinth.net.au(203.23.74.53), claiming to be "insomnia.home.bsd" via SMTP by minotaur.labyrinth.net.au, id smtpdAAAa18497; Thu Apr 16 02:55:54 1998 Received: (from ashley@localhost) by insomnia.home.bsd (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA03690; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 02:55:48 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from ashley) Message-ID: <19980416025547.A3666@insomnia.home.bsd> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 02:55:47 +1000 From: ashley To: Phillip Salzman , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RealVideo Player References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91i In-Reply-To: ; from Phillip Salzman on Wed, Apr 15, 1998 at 07:08:46AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, Apr 15, 1998 at 07:08:46AM -0500, Phillip Salzman wrote: > I'm running it in -stable with the linux emu built into > the kernel, it starts and all...but cannot decode the > stuff. Is anyone else having a problem simular to mine? > > Phillip yeah, i have this problem too. Ciao. Ashley. -- ================================================================= ashley@labyrinth.net.au http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~pirovich "When you have nothing to say, say nothing." Charles Caleb Colton ================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 10:00:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10104 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:00:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgw02.execpc.com (mailgw02.execpc.com [169.207.16.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10014 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:00:25 GMT (envelope-from fpawlak@execpc.com) Received: from darkstar.connect.com (tigella-13.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.81.77]) by mailgw02.execpc.com (8.8.8) id MAA01869; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:00:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from darkstar.connect.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkstar.connect.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02072; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:00:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199804151700.MAA02072@darkstar.connect.com> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:00:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Frank Pawlak Subject: Re: RealVideo Player To: lists@saten.dyn.ml.org cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On 15 Apr, Phillip Salzman wrote: > I'm running it in -stable with the linux emu built into > the kernel, it starts and all...but cannot decode the > stuff. Is anyone else having a problem simular to mine? > > Phillip > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message Yes, I have the same situation. I downloaded the OSS driver from 4front, and removed the sound driver from my kernel. Using the OSS sound driver, I got the real player to play the introduction stuff once. After that when I tried to play anything I locked my xserver. When I tried to kill the xserver the macine does a hard reset. I understand that other run it just fine, but I have not had that experience. Am running 2.2.6-stable built from source 4/7/98. Frank -- ----------------------------- "At no time is freedom of speech more precious then when a man hits his thumb with a hammer." -- Marshall Lumsden To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 10:13:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13820 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:13:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13543; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:12:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199804151712.KAA13543@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Sendmail In-Reply-To: from lrios at "Apr 15, 98 12:31:04 pm" To: lrios@ziplink.net (lrios) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:12:03 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk lrios wrote: > I'm currently running FreeBSD 2.2.5 on a Pentium II 266mhz machine with > 256M ram and finding performace issues with Sendmail.. I've placed much > load on this machine and found that I can old get about 200 emails per > minute.. Just for comparison I did that same on a Linux machine running a > 75 mhz Pentium and 32 mb ram and found that it could put about 500 per > minute. I also found that the pentium two barely took a breath while the > linux machine was at 20% idle (not a suprise).. Is that because of > different memory managers or some type of kernel config?? Any ideas would > be greatly appreciated... two options: 1. mount your mail spool asynchronous. be prepared to lose mail (and anything else on that partition) if someone accidently powers-down the box. linux uses ext2fs which behaves similary to ufs with the asynchronous option. i find it to be too dangerous for the FreeBSD mailing lists. you have to decide for yourself. 2. run additional sendmail processes to deliver the mail. make sure that you are using host status files, check your sendmail.cf. start another every 5 minutes so long as less than X are currently running. set X according to your need and experience. anyway: 200 messages a minute is equal to 12,000 an hour. we typically get 20,000 an hour with the mail spool mounted normally. your 500 per minute translates to 30,000 an hour and too much risk for me. jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Core Team, Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--The Power to Serve JMB193 http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 10:14:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13954 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:14:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13282; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:11:14 GMT (envelope-from karl@Jupiter.Mcs.Net) Received: from Jupiter.Mcs.Net (karl@Jupiter.mcs.net [192.160.127.88]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id MAA26282; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:10:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Jupiter.Mcs.Net (8.8.7/8.8.2) id MAA06498; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:10:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19980415121049.17497@Mcs.Net> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:10:49 -0500 From: Karl Denninger To: dima@best.net Cc: Bill Trost , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions References: <19282.892651401@cloud.rain.com> <199804151652.JAA00719@burka.rdy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: <199804151652.JAA00719@burka.rdy.com>; from Dima Ruban on Wed, Apr 15, 1998 at 09:52:58AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, Apr 15, 1998 at 09:52:58AM -0700, Dima Ruban wrote: > Bill Trost writes: > > Dima Ruban writes: > > Is there a particular reason of kernel being installed with 555 root/wheel > > permissions instead of 550 root/kmem ? > > > > If nobody has nothing against it - I'll commit the change. > > > > Is "/kernel" typically the first command in the pipe, or should it > > appear in the middle? (-: > > > > Maybe I am missing something, but I see no reason for /kernel to have > > the execute bits set. I doubt that the boot loader cares, and no one > > wants to actually execute the kernel when it's already running. > > Sure, 440 permissions are fine with me. > > > As for the world read permissions: Removing the read permissions seems > > like a gratuitious pseudo-security change. Is there any reason to > > prevent users from reading the kernel? Presumably, /usr/src/sys is > > In some case I don't want my users to read a kernel name list. > > > readable anyhow, so a person could build their own kernel with the same > > configuration, so they may as well just copy the running one. > > You do not always have /usr/src/sys on your machine. Especially > on a production enviroment. > > > Or, in other words -- if you are going to make a change, 0444 seems like > > the way to go. > > I'd say 0440 Agreed. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly / All Lines K56Flex/DOV | NEW! Corporate ISDN Prices dropped by up to 50%! Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| EXCLUSIVE NEW FEATURE ON ALL PERSONAL ACCOUNTS Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | *SPAMBLOCK* Technology now included at no cost To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 10:22:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16021 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:20:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15835 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:20:09 GMT (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17305; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:18:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Frank Pawlak cc: lists@saten.dyn.ml.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RealVideo Player In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:00:12 CDT." <199804151700.MAA02072@darkstar.connect.com> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:18:20 -0700 Message-ID: <17302.892660700@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk That's weird guys.. I just grabbed the new 5.0 player for Linux (of *course* they'd release it right after I flamed them for not having an unexpired version :-) and tried it last night with my AWE32 and the *stock* sound driver and it works just fine. I'm not using Luigi's stuff or OSS with my 2.2.6 box and the new Linux rvplayer works a treat. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 10:27:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18959 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:27:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from burka.rdy.com (root@burka.rdy.com [205.149.163.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18708; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:27:09 GMT (envelope-from dima@burka.rdy.com) Received: by burka.rdy.com id KAA01452; (8.8.8/RDY) Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804151720.KAA01452@burka.rdy.com> Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-Reply-To: <19980415121049.17497@Mcs.Net> from Karl Denninger at "Apr 15, 98 12:10:49 pm" To: karl@Mcs.Net (Karl Denninger) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 10:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Cc: dima@best.net, trost@cloud.rain.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG X-Class: Fast Organization: HackerDome Reply-To: dima@best.net From: dima@best.net (Dima Ruban) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Okay, if I won't have any objections in the next 2 hours, I'll commit it into -current, and either today evening or tomorrow into -stable Karl Denninger writes: > > > Or, in other words -- if you are going to make a change, 0444 seems like > > > the way to go. > > > > I'd say 0440 > > Agreed. > > -- > -- > Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin > http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly / All Lines K56Flex/DOV > | NEW! Corporate ISDN Prices dropped by up to 50%! > Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| EXCLUSIVE NEW FEATURE ON ALL PERSONAL ACCOUNTS > Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | *SPAMBLOCK* Technology now included at no cost > -- dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 11:22:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03686 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:22:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgw02.execpc.com (mailgw02.execpc.com [169.207.16.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA03635 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:22:03 GMT (envelope-from fpawlak@execpc.com) Received: from darkstar.connect.com (kosnax-51.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.64.55]) by mailgw02.execpc.com (8.8.8) id NAA09452; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:21:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from darkstar.connect.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkstar.connect.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02646; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:21:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199804151821.NAA02646@darkstar.connect.com> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:21:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Frank Pawlak Subject: Re: RealVideo Player To: jkh@time.cdrom.com cc: lists@saten.dyn.ml.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <17302.892660700@time.cdrom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On 15 Apr, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > That's weird guys.. I just grabbed the new 5.0 player for Linux > (of *course* they'd release it right after I flamed them for not > having an unexpired version :-) and tried it last night with my > AWE32 and the *stock* sound driver and it works just fine. > I'm not using Luigi's stuff or OSS with my 2.2.6 box and the new > Linux rvplayer works a treat. > > Jordan Wish I could say the same. I have an SB 16, the stock sound driver, and the Linux lkm linked into my kernel, and nada from the 5.0 player. Guess it will take some hair loss secessions to get it running. Frank -- ----------------------------- "At no time is freedom of speech more precious then when a man hits his thumb with a hammer." -- Marshall Lumsden To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 12:25:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16717 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:25:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from set.spradley.tmi.net (set.spradley.tmi.net [207.170.107.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA16708; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:25:30 GMT (envelope-from tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net) Received: from localhost (set.spradley.tmi.net) [127.0.0.1] by set.spradley.tmi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yPXnd-0004WJ-00; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:24:49 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: dima@best.net cc: trost@cloud.rain.com (Bill Trost), stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:52:58 PDT." <199804151652.JAA00719@burka.rdy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:24:48 -0500 From: Ted Spradley Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > As for the world read permissions: Removing the read permissions seems > > like a gratuitious pseudo-security change. Is there any reason to > > prevent users from reading the kernel? Presumably, /usr/src/sys is > > In some case I don't want my users to read a kernel name list. > > > readable anyhow, so a person could build their own kernel with the same > > configuration, so they may as well just copy the running one. > > You do not always have /usr/src/sys on your machine. Especially > on a production enviroment. You can change the permissions any way you like on your machine. Users who are knowledgeable enough to worry about know where they can find the sources. To me, this is just gratuitous change for the sake of change. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 12:26:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA17006 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:26:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mynet.ml.org (pc-19628.on.rogers.wave.ca [24.112.74.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16989 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:26:36 GMT (envelope-from ihuang@mynet.ml.org) Received: from localhost (ihuang@localhost) by mynet.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA08727; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:25:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Ian Huang To: Phillip Salzman cc: Phil Allsopp , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISDN cards and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Phil Allsopp wrote: > > > Is anyone aware of any cheap ISDN internal cards that can run under FreeBSD > > (with the relevant drivers etc.) I had a Bitsurfr Pro (a purple one of course) and it worked quite well with FreeBSD since FreeBSD sees it as a modem. I even bought a Lava 16650 UART to push it to the limit. There was no problem what so ever. -- Ian Huang ihuang@mynet.ml.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 12:49:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22609 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:49:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from burka.rdy.com (dima@burka.rdy.com [205.149.163.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA22497; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:49:38 GMT (envelope-from dima@burka.rdy.com) Received: by burka.rdy.com id MAA02749; (8.8.8/RDY) Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804151949.MAA02749@burka.rdy.com> Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-Reply-To: from Ted Spradley at "Apr 15, 98 02:24:48 pm" To: tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net (Ted Spradley) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Cc: dima@best.net, trost@cloud.rain.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG X-Class: Fast Organization: HackerDome Reply-To: dima@best.net From: dima@best.net (Dima Ruban) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Ted Spradley writes: > > > > As for the world read permissions: Removing the read permissions seems > > > like a gratuitious pseudo-security change. Is there any reason to > > > prevent users from reading the kernel? Presumably, /usr/src/sys is > > > > In some case I don't want my users to read a kernel name list. > > > > > readable anyhow, so a person could build their own kernel with the same > > > configuration, so they may as well just copy the running one. > > > > You do not always have /usr/src/sys on your machine. Especially > > on a production enviroment. > > You can change the permissions any way you like on your machine. Users who are knowledgeable enough to worry about know where they can find the sources. To me, this is just gratuitous change for the sake of change. One more time. In some cases you don't want your users to read kernel namelist. Generic kernel source code won't help. Another example. Do search on your local box for all the programs, that don't allow 'others' to read the binary. Ever wonder why? > > -- dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 13:03:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25749 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:03:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from euthyphro.uchicago.edu (euthyphro.uchicago.edu [128.135.21.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA25665 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:02:50 GMT (envelope-from sfarrell@phaedrus.uchicago.edu) Received: from phaedrus.uchicago.edu (phaedrus [128.135.21.10]) by euthyphro.uchicago.edu (8.8.6/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA21910; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:59:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from sfarrell@localhost) by phaedrus.uchicago.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) id OAA03705; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:58:55 -0500 (CDT) To: ashley Cc: Phillip Salzman , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RealVideo Player References: <19980416025547.A3666@insomnia.home.bsd> From: sfarrell+lists@farrell.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 15 Apr 1998 14:58:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: ashley's message of "Thu, 16 Apr 1998 02:55:47 +1000" Message-ID: <87emyyluv4.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.3/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk ashley writes: > On Wed, Apr 15, 1998 at 07:08:46AM -0500, Phillip Salzman wrote: > > I'm running it in -stable with the linux emu built into > > the kernel, it starts and all...but cannot decode the > > stuff. Is anyone else having a problem simular to mine? > > > > Phillip > > yeah, i have this problem too. Could you be more specific about "cannot decode the stuff"? I.e., is there an error message? You did set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH , right? -- Steve Farrell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 13:03:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25830 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:03:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from euthyphro.uchicago.edu (euthyphro.uchicago.edu [128.135.21.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA25723 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:03:05 GMT (envelope-from sfarrell@phaedrus.uchicago.edu) Received: from phaedrus.uchicago.edu (phaedrus [128.135.21.10]) by euthyphro.uchicago.edu (8.8.6/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA21923; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:01:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from sfarrell@localhost) by phaedrus.uchicago.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) id PAA03740; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:01:16 -0500 (CDT) To: Frank Pawlak Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, lists@saten.dyn.ml.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RealVideo Player References: <199804151821.NAA02646@darkstar.connect.com> From: sfarrell+lists@farrell.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 15 Apr 1998 15:01:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: Frank Pawlak's message of "Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:21:55 -0500 (CDT)" Message-ID: <87btu2lur7.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.3/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Frank Pawlak writes: > Wish I could say the same. I have an SB 16, the stock sound driver, > and the Linux lkm linked into my kernel, and nada from the 5.0 player. > > Guess it will take some hair loss secessions to get it running. I've had it working fine with both the stock driver and luigi's. sb16, 2.2.5 and 2.2.6. There must be someting else going on here... -- Steve Farrell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 13:23:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01424 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:23:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gateman.zeus.leitch.com (gateman.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01211 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:22:18 GMT (envelope-from woods@tap.zeus.leitch.com) Received: from zeus.leitch.com (tap.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.10]) by gateman.zeus.leitch.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/1.0) with ESMTP id QAA24581 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brain.zeus.leitch.com (brain.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.32]) by zeus.leitch.com (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.0) with ESMTP id QAA12351 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from woods@localhost) by brain.zeus.leitch.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00253; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:22:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from woods@tap.zeus.leitch.com) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804152022.QAA00253@brain.zeus.leitch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: woods@zeus.leitch.com (Greg A. Woods) To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: various PCI Ethernet cards v.s. SMC Ethernet switches.... X-Mailer: VM 6.45 under Emacs 20.2.1 Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Planix, Inc.; Toronto, Ontario; Canada Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Does anyone out there have any experience using FreeBSD-stable (2.2.x cvsup'ed March 31 to be exact) or something reasonably similar with 10/100 Ethernet switches, particularly the SMC EZ switch? We're seeing some exceptionally weird (and bad) behaviour from at least the de driver, and sometimes the tx driver too. We have an SMC EZ-Switch 8+2 (6408TT), which is unfortunately a very dumb and unmanaged switch (no knobs, few lights, and no stats reports). It's a "store-and-forward" device with error detection, and with a "non-blocking design that allows simultaneous wire-speed transport of multiple packets at consistently low latency." (It also does automatic address learning, but that's not really relevant here....) [FYI our primary desire for such a switch is as a security device to prevent snooping of traffic between the low-bandwidth servers on each port.] The Ethernet cards we've tested with are the dual port SMC 9332 BDT, the single port SMC 9332 BVT, the single port SMC 9432 TX, and an Intel EtherExpress Pro 10/100B Ethernet (fxp driver). The target host is on the other side of the switch from the test host, and is on a 100baseT switch port and hub: TEST ---- [10baseT]EZ6408[100baseT] ---- 100baseT-HUB ---- TARGET The de driver will receive reasonably well in half-duplex mode (i.e. with ftp you can get a file [~900-1000KB/s] but not put it [so slow TCP eventually gives up]). When trying to put we get *lots* of CRC errors, some alignment errors (both on input), and about a 50% collision rate. 'Ping -f' shows 3-20% packet loss in both directions (normal 56-byte packets, and bigger packets won't work). There are also some strange differences between autoselect and explict "media 10baseT/UTP -mediaopt full-duplex". The de driver won't reliably go to full duplex mode on the initial ifconfig (usually hangs the card in such a state that it thinks it's at 100baseT4 even though the driver thinks it's at 10baseT/UTP, and the switch shows a constant receive light). Once I convince the de driver to switch to full-duplex mode and plug it into a switch port that's configured for full duplex then it also works reasonably well (though there are those strange pauses in traffic) for transmission, but not at all for reception (with similar errors and stats). Now I happen to know that NetBSD-current recently introduced some fixes to their version of the de driver from Matt and some CRC problems with at least one variety of hardware seem to have been fixed (NetBSD v1.66). The pre-2.2.6 tx driver didn't work at all with the switch, but now the tx driver works a wee bit better than the de driver. It'll switch more reliably to full-duplex mode. There's also about 3-20% packet loss with ping -f in both directions. It'll receive just fine (full speed ahead at about 800-900KB/s in both FD and HD). It'll transmit OK for short streams in half-duplex mode, but more than about 8MB causes it to fail. Transmitting in full-duplex mode it behaves much the same as the de, though it seems as though it may eventually finish the 100MB file [it's getting around 20KB/s, and didn't die after about 4MB]. We hadn't tried the Intel (fxp) card until today, so don't know if there's any recent change in it. It behaves similarly to the tx driver, though a wee tiny bit better speed-wise (in both directions, but still abysmal in sending) in full-duplex mode, and dies much faster [about 2MB]. It is yet again even better in half-duplex mode, but still abysmal in sending [50KB/s?, also dead after 2MB]. One interesting thing about all of these cards is that I see an almost constant collision light on the switch when transmitting or receiving in half-duplex mode. All in all the tx driver is now the best, but is still effectively unusable. I can't quite imagine this is a problem with the switch -- otherwise people wouldn't recommend them or use them. Though I can't prove this, I'd guess that SMC's own (i.e. MS-Windows) drivers must work with their own switch. -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 443-1734 VE3TCP Planix, Inc. ; Secrets of the Weird To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 14:23:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17305 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:23:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bastuba.partitur.se (bastuba.partitur.se [193.219.246.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA17281 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:23:17 GMT (envelope-from girgen@partitur.se) Received: from solist. (solist.partitur.se [193.219.246.204]) by bastuba.partitur.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA25205 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:23:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from partitur.se by solist. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA20922; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:22:22 +0200 Message-ID: <3535250D.EDAC3E73@partitur.se> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:22:22 +0200 From: Palle Girgensohn Organization: Partitur X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: poor performance Solaris<->Freebsd 2.2.6 BETA march 12th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, I have a Solaris Workstation Ultra 1 170Mhz and a FreeBSD server Pentium Pro 200Mhz, w/ 2940 SCSI and vx0 ethernet interface manually set to 100 Mbps, on a 100 Mbps LAN. Last week (maybe since upgrading 2.2.5 Stable from december to 2.2.6 BETA, beginning of March) I have experenced bad network performance between the two. Here's an ftp transer of on huge file from Sun to Freebsd 2.2.6 BETA: 12621935 bytes sent in 1.3e+02 seconds (95 Kbytes/s) Here's the same file ftp'd from the Sun machine to a 2.2.2-stable pentium on the same LAN but running 10 mbps (we have a 100 mbps hub with a downlink). 12621935 bytes sent in 13 seconds (9.6e+02 Kbytes/s) Better... Really good, I'd say ;-) Now, I try from 2.2.2 to 2.2.6 BETA: 12621935 bytes sent in 13.76 seconds (895.56 Kbytes/s) Also quite alright. So, what can this be? It happens on nfs, ftp, amanda, you name it, so it seems like it's the tcp/ip or ethernet stuff somehow. This is beyond my level. One thing I'm supecting is that I don't use full duplex with the ethernet card on the 2.2.6 server since this crashed the machine while booting; I had to manually set it to half duples (simplex?). Haven't tried resetting this, but I will as soon as I can take it down. /Palle > ifconfig -a vx0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 193.219.246.210 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 193.219.246.255 atalk 65280.91 range 0-65534 phase 2 broadcast 0.255 ether 00:60:97:9a:b4:a6 rc.conf has tcp_extensions="YES" # Allow RFC1323 & RFC1644 extensions (or NO). for what it is worth... ftp> get ie4setup local: ie4setup remote: ie4setup 200 PORT command successful. 150 ASCII data connection for ie4setup (193.219.246.210,40048) (12621935 bytes). 226 ASCII Transfer complete. 12660165 bytes received in 167.10 seconds (73.99 KB/s) ftp> put ie4setup local: ie4setup remote: ie4setup 200 PORT command successful. 150 ASCII data connection for ie4setup (193.219.246.210,40049). 100% |*******************************************************| 12363 KB --:-- ETA 226 Transfer complete. 12659956 bytes sent in 10.33 seconds (1.17 MB/s) BTW, the huge file is m$ internet explorer for solaris, which throws me out of my CDE session and kills all apps immediately each time I try it. So much for commercial software ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 15:43:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05586 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:43:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA05499 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:42:59 GMT (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yPat8-0003Y2-00; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:42:43 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:42:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Palle Girgensohn cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: poor performance Solaris<->Freebsd 2.2.6 BETA march 12th In-Reply-To: <3535250D.EDAC3E73@partitur.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Palle Girgensohn wrote: > Pro 200Mhz, w/ 2940 SCSI and vx0 ethernet interface manually set to 100 > Mbps, on a 100 Mbps LAN. Last week (maybe since upgrading 2.2.5 Stable ... > 12621935 bytes sent in 13 seconds (9.6e+02 Kbytes/s) ... > 12621935 bytes sent in 13.76 seconds (895.56 Kbytes/s) > > Also quite alright. Both of these measurements are kinda slow for fast ethernet, but typical for 10mbs. Are you sure you are using 100BASET here? > One thing I'm supecting is that I don't use full duplex with the If the duplex setting (half or full) is mismatched between the card and the switch (assuming you are using a switch) you will get very bad performance. The settings must match. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 18:16:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA20932 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:16:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (mailgw01.execpc.com [169.207.16.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA20898 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:16:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fpawlak@execpc.com) Received: from darkstar.connect.com (zanak-1-10.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.93.10]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.8.8) id BAA10834; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:16:38 GMT Received: from darkstar.connect.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkstar.connect.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA03668; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:16:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199804160116.UAA03668@darkstar.connect.com> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:16:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Frank Pawlak Subject: Re: RealVideo Player To: sfarrell+lists@farrell.org cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <87btu2lur7.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/mixed; BOUNDARY="0-1804289383-892689401=:843" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk --0-1804289383-892689401=:843 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII On 15 Apr, sfarrell+lists@farrell.org wrote: > Frank Pawlak writes: > >> Wish I could say the same. I have an SB 16, the stock sound driver, >> and the Linux lkm linked into my kernel, and nada from the 5.0 player. >> >> Guess it will take some hair loss secessions to get it running. > > I've had it working fine with both the stock driver and luigi's. > sb16, 2.2.5 and 2.2.6. > > There must be someting else going on here... > > -- > > Steve Farrell I re-installed the rvplayer from a fresh download and the results are the same. The rvplayer comes up OK, but it will not play the welcome.ram. When I attempt to play a sound byte it errors out with "cannot open audio device" When I last did the make world on 4/14/98 I made the audio devices in the new /dev using sh MAKEDEV snd0. Is there a difference in whether snd0 or snd1 is used? Enclosed are the relevent portions of dmesg output and kernel config. BTW, running 2.2.6 -stable Any help is much appreciated. Frank Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE #0: Tue Apr 14 21:18:28 CDT 1998 root@darkstar.connect.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/NEWKERNEL CPU: Pentium (132.96-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping=12 Features=0x1bf real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) avail memory = 63344640 (61860K bytes) sb0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa sb0: sbmidi0 at 0x330 on isa sbxvi0 at 0x0 drq 5 on isa sbxvi0: opl0 at 0x338 on isa opl0: npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface Intel Pentium F00F detected, installing workaround controller snd0 #device pcm0 at isa? port? tty irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 vector #pcmintr device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 vector sbintr device sbmidi0 at isa? port 0x330 device sbxvi0 at isa? drq 5 options "SBC_IRQ5" options "SB16_LDMA=1" options "SB16_HDMA=5" device opl0 at isa? port 0x338 #device mpu0 at isa? port 0x330 irq 5 drq 0 -- ----------------------------- "At no time is freedom of speech more precious then when a man hits his thumb with a hammer." -- Marshall Lumsden --0-1804289383-892689401=:843 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-Description: dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE #0: Tue Apr 14 21:18:28 CDT 1998 root@darkstar.connect.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/NEWKERNEL CPU: Pentium (132.96-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping=12 Features=0x1bf real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) avail memory = 63344640 (61860K bytes) sb0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa sb0: sbmidi0 at 0x330 on isa sbxvi0 at 0x0 drq 5 on isa sbxvi0: opl0 at 0x338 on isa opl0: npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface Intel Pentium F00F detected, installing workaround --0-1804289383-892689401=:843-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 18:21:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22044 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:21:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21934 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:21:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09130 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804160120.SAA09130@implode.root.com> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: various PCI Ethernet cards v.s. SMC Ethernet switches.... In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:22:10 EDT." <199804152022.QAA00253@brain.zeus.leitch.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:20:27 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >We're seeing some exceptionally weird (and bad) behaviour from at least >the de driver, and sometimes the tx driver too. > >We have an SMC EZ-Switch 8+2 (6408TT), which is unfortunately a very >dumb and unmanaged switch (no knobs, few lights, and no stats reports). I think the problem is either with the cables or with the switch (or switch port configuration). I'm not very confident about the de and tx drivers, but as the author of the fxp driver, I'm very confident that there isn't anything wrong with that. The first thing to do would be to isolate the problem down to the side of the switch that is causing problems - either the 10Mbps side or the 100Mbps uplink side. The problem you're describing sounds like an error in autonegotiation or otherwise incorrectly configured duplex. I'm not familiar with the SMC switch, but if you can't get it to autonegotiate correctly, then I'd try manually setting all of the ports to half duplex (including the FreeBSD interface). Perhaps the 100Mbps uplink port is configured for full duplex? If so, that would be a problem since it's connected to a hub which is inherently half duplex. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 18:40:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25928 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:40:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from minotaur.labyrinth.net.au (minotaur.labyrinth.net.au [203.9.148.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25913 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:40:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ashley@labyrinth.net.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by minotaur.labyrinth.net.au (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA22853; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:40:03 +1000 (EST) Received: from minerva-as53.labyrinth.net.au(203.23.74.53), claiming to be "insomnia.home.bsd" via SMTP by minotaur.labyrinth.net.au, id smtpdAAAa22845; Thu Apr 16 11:39:58 1998 Received: (from ashley@localhost) by insomnia.home.bsd (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04763; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:39:54 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from ashley) Message-ID: <19980416113954.A4669@insomnia.home.bsd> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:39:54 +1000 From: ashley To: sfarrell+lists@farrell.org, ashley Cc: Phillip Salzman , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RealVideo Player References: <19980416025547.A3666@insomnia.home.bsd> <87emyyluv4.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91i In-Reply-To: <87emyyluv4.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu>; from sfarrell+lists@farrell.org on Wed, Apr 15, 1998 at 02:58:55PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, Apr 15, 1998 at 02:58:55PM -0500, sfarrell+lists@farrell.org wrote: > > yeah, i have this problem too. > > Could you be more specific about "cannot decode the stuff"? I.e., is > there an error message? You did set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH , right? yeah, almost immediately after i posted this, i wondered about that myself. oops. i had forgotten to se LD_LIBRARY_PATH. all works fine now. Ciao. Ashley. -- ================================================================= ashley@labyrinth.net.au http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~pirovich "When you have nothing to say, say nothing." Charles Caleb Colton ================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 18:54:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27821 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:54:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xmission.xmission.com (softweyr@xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27807 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:54:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from softweyr@xmission.xmission.com) Received: (from softweyr@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.8.8/8.7.5) id TAA12798; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:54:30 -0600 (MDT) From: Wes Peters - Softweyr LLC Message-Id: <199804160154.TAA12798@xmission.xmission.com> Subject: Re: various PCI Ethernet cards v.s. SMC Ethernet switches.... To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:54:29 -0600 (MDT) Cc: In-Reply-To: <199804152022.QAA00253@brain.zeus.leitch.com> from "Greg A. Woods" at Apr 15, 98 04:22:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Greg A. Woods recently opined: > We hadn't tried the Intel (fxp) card until today, so don't know if > there's any recent change in it. It behaves similarly to the tx driver, > though a wee tiny bit better speed-wise (in both directions, but still > abysmal in sending) in full-duplex mode, and dies much faster [about > 2MB]. It is yet again even better in half-duplex mode, but still > abysmal in sending [50KB/s?, also dead after 2MB]. > [...] > I can't quite imagine this is a problem with the switch -- otherwise > people wouldn't recommend them or use them. Though I can't prove this, > I'd guess that SMC's own (i.e. MS-Windows) drivers must work with their > own switch. Just for giggles, I tested this on a 2.2.6-RELEASE machine in our lab. The configuration used: lab2 prodo thrallo Pentium/200 Xylan OmniSwitch 9 Axil 320 (2x75Mhz SuperSPARC) FreebSD 2.2.6-R XOS 2.1.7 RELEASE Solaris 2.5 fxp0 ------------ FESM-8 100Base-TX ---- Sun HME 100Base-TX Ftp results, using a 6 MB binary file: FreeBSD client, Solaris server: put: 6043820 bytes sent in 10.57 seconds (558.58 KB/s) get: 6043820 bytes received in 6.19 seconds (953.43 KB/s) Solaris client, FreeBSD server: put: 6043820 bytes sent in 6.5 seconds (9.1e+02 Kbytes/s) get: 6043820 bytes received in 5.7 seconds (1e+03 Kbytes/s) Note the OmniSwitch was not exactly quite, but wasn't heavily loaded either. You *can't* load an Omni with the 20 people we have in our office here. ;^) The FreeBSD write performance isn't stellar, but I'd say your problems may have something to do with the switch. I can probably work you a deal on a nice shiny new OmniStack 1032! ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 20:44:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17528 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:44:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whizzo.TransSys.COM (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17318; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:43:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.TransSys.COM) Received: from whizzo.TransSys.COM (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.TransSys.COM (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA06049; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804160343.XAA06049@whizzo.TransSys.COM> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: dima@best.net cc: tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net (Ted Spradley), trost@cloud.rain.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: kernel permissions References: <199804151949.MAA02749@burka.rdy.com> In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:49:27 PDT." <199804151949.MAA02749@burka.rdy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:43:24 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Ted Spradley writes: > > > > > > As for the world read permissions: Removing the read permissions seems > > > > like a gratuitious pseudo-security change. Is there any reason to > > > > prevent users from reading the kernel? Presumably, /usr/src/sys is > > > > > > In some case I don't want my users to read a kernel name list. > > > > > > > readable anyhow, so a person could build their own kernel with the same > > > > configuration, so they may as well just copy the running one. > > > > > > You do not always have /usr/src/sys on your machine. Especially > > > on a production enviroment. > > > > You can change the permissions any way you like on your machine. Users who are knowledgeable enough to worry about know where they can find the sources. To me, this is just gratuitous change for the sake of change. > One more time. In some cases you don't want your users to read kernel > namelist. Generic kernel source code won't help. So, chmod 440 /kernel on *your* system. And how many cases are there where other programs installed on the system need to read the kernel namelist? You'll break those by making a change in the distribution. > Another example. Do search on your local box for all the programs, that > don't allow 'others' to read the binary. Ever wonder why? Hmm.. I found exactly 1 - suidperl. This is hardly a compelling argument to change a well established convention. I don't dispute the utility to some for changing the permissions on the /kernel file, but it's just not clear this is a universally good idea. Next thing you know, you'll want to chmod 440 /etc/rc.conf :-) louie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 20:57:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA20717 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:57:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from burka.rdy.com (dima@burka.rdy.com [205.149.163.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA20695; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:57:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@burka.rdy.com) Received: by burka.rdy.com id UAA03077; (8.8.8/RDY) Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804160356.UAA03077@burka.rdy.com> Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-Reply-To: <199804160343.XAA06049@whizzo.TransSys.COM> from "Louis A. Mamakos" at "Apr 15, 98 11:43:24 pm" To: louie@TransSys.COM (Louis A. Mamakos) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Cc: dima@best.net, tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net, trost@cloud.rain.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG X-Class: Fast Organization: HackerDome Reply-To: dima@best.net From: dima@best.net (Dima Ruban) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Louis A. Mamakos writes: > > > One more time. In some cases you don't want your users to read kernel > > namelist. Generic kernel source code won't help. > > So, chmod 440 /kernel on *your* system. > > And how many cases are there where other programs installed on the system > need to read the kernel namelist? You'll break those by making a change > in the distribution. Every program that needs to have an access to the kernel namelist needs to be sgid to kmem (if it's not already sgid to root). Otherwise it won't be able to do _anything_ with this information. Which means - this change is not going to break anything. > > Another example. Do search on your local box for all the programs, that > > don't allow 'others' to read the binary. Ever wonder why? > > Hmm.. I found exactly 1 - suidperl. This is hardly a compelling argument > to change a well established convention. What about suidperl? > I don't dispute the utility to some for changing the permissions on the > /kernel file, but it's just not clear this is a universally good idea. > Next thing you know, you'll want to chmod 440 /etc/rc.conf :-) Changing permissions on rc.conf won't do _any_ good. > > louie > > > -- dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 21:27:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28524 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:27:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whizzo.TransSys.COM (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28327; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:27:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.TransSys.COM) Received: from whizzo.TransSys.COM (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.TransSys.COM (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA06207; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804160426.AAA06207@whizzo.TransSys.COM> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: dima@best.net cc: tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net, trost@cloud.rain.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: kernel permissions References: <199804160356.UAA03077@burka.rdy.com> In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:56:35 PDT." <199804160356.UAA03077@burka.rdy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:26:55 -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Louis A. Mamakos writes: > > > > > One more time. In some cases you don't want your users to read kernel > > > namelist. Generic kernel source code won't help. > > > > So, chmod 440 /kernel on *your* system. > > > > And how many cases are there where other programs installed on the system > > need to read the kernel namelist? You'll break those by making a change > > in the distribution. > > Every program that needs to have an access to the kernel namelist needs to > be sgid to kmem (if it's not already sgid to root). Otherwise it won't be > able to do _anything_ with this information. > > Which means - this change is not going to break anything. By this reasoning, there's no point in removing read permission either. Perhaps I'm looking at the symbols debugging a problem? Or because I'm curious how the kernel was configured, so I do a strings /kernel | egrep '^__' to get the file fed to config(8) and embedded in the file? > > > Another example. Do search on your local box for all the programs, that > > > don't allow 'others' to read the binary. Ever wonder why? > > > > Hmm.. I found exactly 1 - suidperl. This is hardly a compelling argument > > to change a well established convention. > > What about suidperl? Yeah, what about it? A more likely example would have been a program with some password embedded within it. We don't see to have any of those. > > I don't dispute the utility to some for changing the permissions on the > > /kernel file, but it's just not clear this is a universally good idea. > > Next thing you know, you'll want to chmod 440 /etc/rc.conf :-) > > Changing permissions on rc.conf won't do _any_ good. And removing read permission from the kernel does? This all seems like FUD. You seem to have unspecified reasons why you don't want your users to look at the symbols on your kernel. I suggest you remove read permission on your machine. It seems that the potential downside of removing read permission is greater than the unspecified gain of doing so. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 21:42:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA01357 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:42:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from burka.rdy.com (dima@burka.rdy.com [205.149.163.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01329; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:42:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@burka.rdy.com) Received: by burka.rdy.com id VAA03293; (8.8.8/RDY) Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804160441.VAA03293@burka.rdy.com> Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-Reply-To: <199804160426.AAA06207@whizzo.TransSys.COM> from "Louis A. Mamakos" at "Apr 16, 98 00:26:55 am" To: louie@TransSys.COM (Louis A. Mamakos) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Cc: dima@best.net, tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net, trost@cloud.rain.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG X-Class: Fast Organization: HackerDome Reply-To: dima@best.net From: dima@best.net (Dima Ruban) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Louis A. Mamakos writes: > > Louis A. Mamakos writes: > > > > > > > One more time. In some cases you don't want your users to read kernel > > > > namelist. Generic kernel source code won't help. > > > > > > So, chmod 440 /kernel on *your* system. > > > > > > And how many cases are there where other programs installed on the system > > > need to read the kernel namelist? You'll break those by making a change > > > in the distribution. > > > > Every program that needs to have an access to the kernel namelist needs to > > be sgid to kmem (if it's not already sgid to root). Otherwise it won't be > > able to do _anything_ with this information. > > > > Which means - this change is not going to break anything. > > By this reasoning, there's no point in removing read permission either. Of course there is. Because user doesn't need to have this information. > Perhaps I'm looking at the symbols debugging a problem? Or because You must be kidding. You don't have a root access on some machine and you're looking for the kernel debugging information on it??? > I'm curious how the kernel was configured, so I do a > > strings /kernel | egrep '^__' > > to get the file fed to config(8) and embedded in the file? Ask sysadmin. > > > > Another example. Do search on your local box for all the programs, that > > > > don't allow 'others' to read the binary. Ever wonder why? > > > > > > Hmm.. I found exactly 1 - suidperl. This is hardly a compelling argument > > > to change a well established convention. > > > > What about suidperl? > > Yeah, what about it? A more likely example would have been a program > with some password embedded within it. We don't see to have any of > those. Ahh, that's what you've meant. I thought, you were saying that 0440 permissions on kernel will break suidperl. > > > I don't dispute the utility to some for changing the permissions on the > > > /kernel file, but it's just not clear this is a universally good idea. > > > Next thing you know, you'll want to chmod 440 /etc/rc.conf :-) > > > > Changing permissions on rc.conf won't do _any_ good. > > And removing read permission from the kernel does? > > This all seems like FUD. You seem to have unspecified reasons why > you don't want your users to look at the symbols on your kernel. I > suggest you remove read permission on your machine. It seems that the > potential downside of removing read permission is greater than the > unspecified gain of doing so. There's no potential downside. Or you can call having a root password a potential downside, because qurious user won't be able to see your configuration. > > > -- dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 22:01:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA04361 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:01:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from set.spradley.tmi.net (set.spradley.tmi.net [207.170.107.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA04338; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:00:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net) Received: from localhost (set.spradley.tmi.net) [127.0.0.1] by set.spradley.tmi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yPgmY-0004v7-00; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:00:18 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: dima@best.net cc: louie@TransSys.COM (Louis A. Mamakos), trost@cloud.rain.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:41:56 PDT." <199804160441.VAA03293@burka.rdy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:00:17 -0500 From: Ted Spradley Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > By this reasoning, there's no point in removing read permission either. > > Of course there is. Because user doesn't need to have this information. Is this what your argument boils down to -- *Your* users don't have a 'Need to Know' (to use the Pentagon expression). Maybe I prefer to encourage my users to learn as much as they will about the system. Maybe I take a very negative attitude about keeping any information secret, so I consider long and hard before I remove read permission for anybody from any information. Maybe that's why I use a system that has freely available source code. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 22:12:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07489 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:12:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from burka.rdy.com (dima@burka.rdy.com [205.149.163.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA07357; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:11:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@burka.rdy.com) Received: by burka.rdy.com id WAA03453; (8.8.8/RDY) Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804160511.WAA03453@burka.rdy.com> Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-Reply-To: from Ted Spradley at "Apr 16, 98 00:00:17 am" To: tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net (Ted Spradley) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Cc: dima@best.net, louie@TransSys.COM, trost@cloud.rain.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG X-Class: Fast Organization: HackerDome Reply-To: dima@best.net From: dima@best.net (Dima Ruban) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Ted Spradley writes: > > > > By this reasoning, there's no point in removing read permission either. > > > > Of course there is. Because user doesn't need to have this information. > > Is this what your argument boils down to -- *Your* users don't have a > 'Need to Know' (to use the Pentagon expression). Maybe I prefer to > encourage my users to learn as much as they will about the system. Maybe > I take a very negative attitude about keeping any information secret, so > I consider long and hard before I remove read permission for anybody from > any information. Maybe that's why I use a system that has freely > available source code. Okay. Here's an example. Ever hear of a commertially available drivers? When you install such stuff, you don't want somebody to be able to read them, or have a copy of kernel with them. Why? Because you did pay for them and whoever wants to have an access - didnt. Normal users *do not need* to have an read acces to the kernel. They simply don't. Do you need any other examples? What's the deal with arguing on such a simply issue? > > -- dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 22:59:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA17414 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:59:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from set.spradley.tmi.net (set.spradley.tmi.net [207.170.107.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA17356; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:59:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net) Received: from localhost (set.spradley.tmi.net) [127.0.0.1] by set.spradley.tmi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yPhhO-0004yk-00; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:59:02 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: dima@best.net cc: louie@TransSys.COM, trost@cloud.rain.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:11:28 PDT." <199804160511.WAA03453@burka.rdy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:59:01 -0500 From: Ted Spradley Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Normal users *do not need* to have an read acces to the kernel. > They simply don't. Normal usersdo not need *not* to have read access to the kernel. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 23:09:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA20557 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:09:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from burka.rdy.com (dima@burka.rdy.com [205.149.163.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA20505; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:08:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@burka.rdy.com) Received: by burka.rdy.com id XAA03735; (8.8.8/RDY) Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804160608.XAA03735@burka.rdy.com> Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-Reply-To: from Ted Spradley at "Apr 16, 98 00:59:01 am" To: tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net (Ted Spradley) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Cc: dima@best.net, louie@TransSys.COM, trost@cloud.rain.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG X-Class: Fast Organization: HackerDome Reply-To: dima@best.net From: dima@best.net (Dima Ruban) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Ted Spradley writes: > > > Normal users *do not need* to have an read acces to the kernel. > > They simply don't. > > Normal usersdo not need *not* to have read access to the kernel. If it > ain't broke, don't fix it. I've already gave you an example why it shouldn't be like this. > > -- dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 23:41:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA29363 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:41:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from saten.dyn.ml.org (072.ppp5.gulftel.com [208.222.59.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA29329 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:41:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lists@saten.dyn.ml.org) Received: from localhost (lists@localhost) by saten.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA11935; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 02:41:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 02:41:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Phillip Salzman To: sfarrell+lists@farrell.org cc: Frank Pawlak , jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RealVideo Player In-Reply-To: <87btu2lur7.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Wish I could say the same. I have an SB 16, the stock sound driver, > > and the Linux lkm linked into my kernel, and nada from the 5.0 player. > > > > Guess it will take some hair loss secessions to get it running. Yep, that is the same stuff I have. Its the old SB16. > I've had it working fine with both the stock driver and luigi's. > sb16, 2.2.5 and 2.2.6. > > There must be someting else going on here... Was there anything you did to get it to work, or did it work out-of-the-box? Phillip To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 23:49:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA00929 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:49:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (jkb@shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA00899 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:49:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkb@best.com) Received: from localhost (jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) with SMTP id XAA06758; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:49:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shell6.ba.best.com: jkb owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:49:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Koum X-Sender: jkb@shell6.ba.best.com To: Ted Spradley cc: Dima Ruban , "Louis A. Mamakos" , trost@cloud.rain.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Ted Spradley wrote: > >> > By this reasoning, there's no point in removing read permission either. >> >> Of course there is. Because user doesn't need to have this information. > >Is this what your argument boils down to -- *Your* users don't have a >'Need to Know' (to use the Pentagon expression). Maybe I prefer to >encourage my users to learn as much as they will about the system. Maybe >I take a very negative attitude about keeping any information secret, so >I consider long and hard before I remove read permission for anybody from >any information. Maybe that's why I use a system that has freely >available source code. > > What does source code availability has to do with system security? Do you also have /root/.ssh/* world readable as well as /etc/master.passwd? *grin* I mean.. your users can learn about ssh and passwd, right? -- Yan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 15 23:51:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01366 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:51:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from saten.dyn.ml.org (072.ppp5.gulftel.com [208.222.59.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01312 for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:50:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lists@saten.dyn.ml.org) Received: from localhost (lists@localhost) by saten.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA11954; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 02:50:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 02:50:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Phillip Salzman To: Ian Huang cc: Phil Allsopp , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISDN cards and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Ian Huang wrote: > > I had a Bitsurfr Pro (a purple one of course) and it worked quite well > with FreeBSD since FreeBSD sees it as a modem. I even bought a Lava 16650 > UART to push it to the limit. There was no problem what so ever. > When I decide to upgrade to ISDN, I will most likely purchase the Bitsurfer Pro. Several people I know have said it is great. Phillip To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 01:44:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA17426 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:44:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from huset.math.ntnu.no (huset.math.ntnu.no [129.241.211.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA17351 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:43:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arnej@stud.math.ntnu.no) Message-Id: <199804160843.BAA17351@hub.freebsd.org> Received: (qmail 28851 invoked from network); 16 Apr 1998 08:43:53 -0000 Received: from huset.math.ntnu.no (HELO stud.math.ntnu.no) (129.241.211.212) by huset.math.ntnu.no with SMTP; 16 Apr 1998 08:43:53 -0000 To: dima@best.net Cc: tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net, louie@TransSys.COM, trost@cloud.rain.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:08:39 -0700 (PDT)" References: <199804160608.XAA03735@burka.rdy.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.54 on Emacs 19.34.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:43:53 +0200 From: Arne Henrik Juul Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Dima Ruban wrote: > Ted Spradley writes: > > Normal usersdo not need *not* to have read access to the kernel. If it > > ain't broke, don't fix it. > > I've already gave you an example why it shouldn't be like this. Your argument was not very compelling - you can't say that most, or even many, FreeBSD machines have commercial drivers, much less that the have such drivers with so draconian license agreements that you're not even allowed to have the in-kernel object code readable for normal users. (For what it's worth, I've never heard about such a license agreement, ever, for any piece of software). On my machines, I'm mostly logged in as myself, not as root. I think this is a good practice and I'll keep on doing that. I don't *want* to have any special privileges on my normal user, and what's more, I *want* my students to be able to peek around in the system as much as possible, also on the machines where they can't be allowed to have the root password. I *don't* want to have to su root just to do normal things that shouldn't need root access. I've been inconvenienced by stupid programs being installed without read access for normal users, many times through the years. (I do sysadmin work on a large number of machines with various OS'es.) I think that if *you* want a read-protected kernel (for reasons that applies to a very small subset of FreeBSD users), *you* should write a config file for mtree that actually helps security, and apply it on *your* machine. I mean, what's the point of read-protecting the kernel in / without doing the same to /var/db/kvm_kernel.db? Logically, it's much more important to protect sendmail to be unreadable, and modify it so it won't tell its version number to normal users. Or implementing the policy that no setuid programs should be readable for users, since that allows them to inspect the object code for buffer overruns and such. (Assuming the prospective hacker isn't smart enough to go look at the sources to simplify the task :-) So please, implement whatever policy you want on *your* machine! - Arne H. Juul senior engineer, Department of Mathematical Sciences, Norwegian University of Science and Technology. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 04:20:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA12438 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:20:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.frihet.com (root@frihet.bayarea.net [205.219.92.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA12408; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:20:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tweten@ns.frihet.com) Received: from ns.frihet.com (tweten@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.frihet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA24061; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:19:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tweten@ns.frihet.com) Message-Id: <199804161119.EAA24061@ns.frihet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 Reply-to: tweten@frihet.com To: dima@best.net Cc: tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net (Ted Spradley), louie@TransSys.COM, trost@cloud.rain.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions From: "David E. Tweten" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:19:58 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk dima@best.net said: >Normal users *do not need* to have an read acces to the kernel. >They simply don't. I'm sorry, but this one finally pinched my corn. System administrators who believe users must prove that they need a service or resource before they will be permitted access to it have always annoyed me. When they get the upper hand, such administrators destroy user productivity by forcing the more numerous class of "users" to waste time proving when they should be using. When I have the opportunity, I try to challenge such *administrators* to prove that no users have a need before clamping down. "Prove to my you need it" is not the Unix way as I understand it. To quote from the forward of the original Bell System Technical Journal introducing Unix [volume 57, number 6, part 2], "He [Ken Thompson] and the others who soon joined him had one overriding objective: to create a computing environment where they themselves could comfortably and effectively pursue their own work ..." What resulted was a system that presumed openness, and restricted users only when there was a compelling need to do so. So, my challenge to you is, "Show me how the current kernel permissions can be used to crack FreeBSD." If you can't, please don't restrict them. If you must, please put mention of this change on a readme file list of gratuitous restrictions, so I can remove it from my systems without losing too much sleep over why it was there in the first place. -- David E. Tweten | 2047-bit PGP fingerprint: | tweten@frihet.com 12141 Atrium Drive | E9 59 E7 5C 6B 88 B8 90 | tweten@and.com Saratoga, CA 95070-3162 | 65 30 2A A4 A0 BC 49 AE | (408) 446-4131 Those who make good products sell products; those who don't, sell solutions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 06:07:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA29016 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 06:07:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pandora.hh.kew.com (root@kendra.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.94.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA28979 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 06:07:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from software@kew.com) Received: from sonata.uucp.kew.com (sonata.hh.kew.com [192.168.203.135]) by pandora.hh.kew.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA28727; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kew.com by sonata.uucp.kew.com (UUPC/extended 1.12y) with UUCP for multiple addressees; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:06:24 -0500 Received: from kew.com by sonata.uucp.kew.com (UUPC/extended 1.12y) with ESMTP for multiple addresses; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:06:21 -0500 Message-ID: <3536024D.2269231E@kew.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:06:21 -0400 From: Drew Derbyshire - UUPC/extended software support Organization: Kendra Electronic Wonderworks, Stoneham, MA 02180 (http://www.kew.com) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-MOENE (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dima@best.net Subject: Re: kernel permissions References: <199804160511.WAA03453@burka.rdy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Dima Ruban wrote: > Okay. Here's an example. Ever hear of a commertially available drivers? > When you install such stuff, you don't want somebody to be able to read > them, or have a copy of kernel with them. Why? Because you did pay for them > and whoever wants to have an access - didnt. This gives rise to to question as to why you would allow such a person on your machine. Making such software unreadable is not the normal practice in any case, and vendors don't expect it. > Normal users *do not need* to have an read access to the kernel. > They simply don't. You assume a different class of user than many of us. I, for example, do not allow people outside the Wonderworks to be in group wheel (or even staff), but allow them access to my configuration information for cloning. Given that and the sources, there is no reason to secure the kernel since they can recreate it from the sources (as others have pointed out). But do not change things for change's sake. Requiring a global priv when it should not be needed is a good way to make too many programs too powerful, which can lead to exposures. If you can only secure your system by obscuring things, it's security will fail. -- Drew Derbyshire UUPC/extended e-mail: software@kew.com Telephone: 617-279-9812 "There are three possible parts to a date, of which at least two must be offered: entertainment, food, and affection. It is customary to begin a series of dates with a great deal of entertainment, a moderate amount of food, and the merest suggestion of affection. As the amount of affection increases, the entertainment can be reduced proportionately. When the affection IS the entertainment, we no longer call it dating. Under no circumstances can the food be omitted." -- Miss Manners' Guide to Excruciatingly Correct Behavior To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 06:31:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA02905 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 06:31:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost.zilker.net (jump-k56flex-0012.jumpnet.com [207.8.6.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA02841 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 06:30:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marquard@zilker.net) Received: (from marquard@localhost) by localhost.zilker.net (8.8.8/8.8.3) id IAA06284; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:20:33 -0500 (CDT) To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: makeworld completion? References: <199804121844.LAA18722@wiley.csusb.edu> From: Dave Marquardt Date: 16 Apr 1998 08:19:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: William Wong's message of "Sun, 12 Apr 1998 11:44:54 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: <851zuxkipb.fsf@localhost.zilker.net> Lines: 45 X-Mailer: Quassia Gnus v0.22/XEmacs 19.16 - "Lille" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk William Wong writes: > Greetings all! > > Towards the end of the makeworld log I get this: > > > install -c -o bin -g bin -m 555 green_saver_mod.o /lkm > ===> lkm/syscons/snake > install -c -o bin -g bin -m 555 snake_saver_mod.o /lkm > ===> lkm/syscons/star > install -c -o bin -g bin -m 555 star_saver_mod.o /lkm > ===> lkm/umapfs > install -c -o bin -g bin -m 555 umap_mod.o /lkm > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Re-scanning the shared libraries.. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > cd /usr/src && ldconfig -R > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Rebuilding man page indexes > -------------------------------------------------------------- > cd /usr/src/share/man && /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin/make makedb > makewhatis /usr/share/man > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > make world completed on Sun Apr 12 05:30:42 PDT 1998 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > make: don't know how to make 2. Stop > > > This is cvsup as of 12 April, 1998 at ~0205, Los Angeles, CA time. > Did make world complete? Yes, make world completed. How did you redirect output to a file? I suspect you did something like make world > OUT 2>&1 & and you're using a shell that doesn't understand 2>&1, so it passed the "2" to make, like make world 2 -Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 06:47:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA06615 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 06:47:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nyef.res.cmu.edu (qmailr@NYEF.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.88.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA06466 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 06:46:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from inf@nyef.res.cmu.edu) Received: (qmail 20674 invoked by uid 1000); 16 Apr 1998 13:39:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19980416093916.41527@nyef.res.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:39:16 -0400 From: Marca Registrada To: FreeBSD-Security@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD-Stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD-Security@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-Stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199804160511.WAA03453@burka.rdy.com>; from Dima Ruban on Wed, Apr 15, 1998 at 10:11:28PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Quoting Dima Ruban (dima@best.net): > Okay. Here's an example. Ever hear of a commertially available drivers? > When you install such stuff, you don't want somebody to be able to read > them, or have a copy of kernel with them. Why? Because you did pay for them > and whoever wants to have an access - didnt. That would seem to be the exception rather than the norm. While I dont' debate why _some_ people would want a 440 kernel it feels like the security argument hasn't been filled, and otherwise, its creates the ever bit more presense of 'hostility' towards the user, and in this case, an unfounded one. I've actually had friends logged into my system 'borrow' my kernel config for their own system, make comments "Hrmm, so how's devfs working for you?" and do the same throughout most of my system, being that I'm the local "FreeBSD guru" who has converted people around him and (unknowningly?) took on the obligation to help. I've always been one for 'conf' options, so might I suggest this be a thing for 'config' to handle or a make.conf option? As a matter of fact, I was very happy that sendmail became a make.conf option, seeing as I use qmail and nearly ALWAYS forgot to replace sendmail after a make world. I think many such obvious policy issues should be configurable, with the predominant view the default. --- make.conf --- # To compile just the kernel with special optimisations, you should use # this instead of CFLAGS (which is not applicable to kernel builds anyway): # COPTFLAGS= -O2 -pipe KERNEL_OWNER root.kmem KERNEL_PERMS 444 #KERNEL_PERMS 440 ... Possibly in a more stylistically suitable format? -- - All we hear is internet gaagaa, internet googoo, internet gaagaa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 09:12:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06557 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:12:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gateman.zeus.leitch.com (gateman.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06489 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:11:59 GMT (envelope-from woods@tap.zeus.leitch.com) Received: from zeus.leitch.com (tap.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.10]) by gateman.zeus.leitch.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/1.0) with ESMTP id MAA28609 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brain.zeus.leitch.com (brain.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.32]) by zeus.leitch.com (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.0) with ESMTP id MAA19912 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from woods@localhost) by brain.zeus.leitch.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07218; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:11:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from woods@tap.zeus.leitch.com) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804161611.MAA07218@brain.zeus.leitch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: woods@zeus.leitch.com (Greg A. Woods) To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: various PCI Ethernet cards v.s. SMC Ethernet switches.... In-Reply-To: David Greenman's message of "Wed, April 15, 1998 18:20:27 -0700" regarding "Re: various PCI Ethernet cards v.s. SMC Ethernet switches.... " id <199804160120.SAA09130@implode.root.com> References: <199804152022.QAA00253@brain.zeus.leitch.com> <199804160120.SAA09130@implode.root.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.45 under Emacs 20.2.1 Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Planix, Inc.; Toronto, Ontario; Canada Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk [ On Wed, April 15, 1998 at 18:20:27 (-0700), David Greenman wrote: ] > Subject: Re: various PCI Ethernet cards v.s. SMC Ethernet switches.... > > I think the problem is either with the cables or with the switch (or > switch port configuration). The cables seem OK -- they're all four-pair, and we've interchanged them and used quite a number of different ones. We do not have a full cable test set though, and have never verified that they work with full-duplex connections between any other pieces of equipment. However I think we can rule out cables when the switch still doesn't work in half-duplex mode. As for the switch ports, well they're very difficult to get wrong. There's a dip-switch to set full/half duplex, and a light on the monitor display to confirm what mode it's in. -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 443-1734 VE3TCP Planix, Inc. ; Secrets of the Weird To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 09:51:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA16117 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:51:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16026 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:50:50 GMT (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19054 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804161650.JAA19054@implode.root.com> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: various PCI Ethernet cards v.s. SMC Ethernet switches.... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:11:58 EDT." <199804161611.MAA07218@brain.zeus.leitch.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:50:03 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >As for the switch ports, well they're very difficult to get wrong. >There's a dip-switch to set full/half duplex, and a light on the monitor >display to confirm what mode it's in. If that's the case, then the switch almost certainly doesn't support NWAY autonegotiation. This means that you'll have to set the FreeBSD side manually to match the switch port. The only driver that I know for certain works completely correctly in all cases of manual settings is the fxp driver. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 11:50:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07243 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:50:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ziplink.net (relay-0.ziplink.net [206.15.168.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA07023 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:50:00 GMT (envelope-from lrios@ziplink.net) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net (zip1.ziplink.net [206.15.168.18]) by ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA14253 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:49:28 -0400 (EDT) From: lrios To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Linux And FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Could someone please explain to me why a Linux 75 mhz machine kicks the hell out of a FreeBSD with a Pentium II 266mhz 256M Ram and two ultra-wide fast SCSI drives??? I love BSD but for performance reasons linux may be my choice. Any performance tips would be helpful... My linux machine puts out about 700 (locally)emails a minute while BSD only puts out about 200... my limits appear to configured properly. My kernel options have been set.. Is there anything that I'm missing to get this machine to work??? The only difference between the two is that the Linux Box is working like a dog while the BSD box doesn't go above .05 load and stays around 90 idle What are the differences in memory managers between the two?? I've got a consultant here trying to get linux to do everything but with the numbers I'm seeing it's hard to stay loyal.. Please help!! ______ __ /___ / / / __ / /(@)__ / (@)__ / /__ lrios@ziplink.net / // / _ \/ / / _ \/ '_/ / //_/ .__/_/_/_//_/_/\_\ NASA TEAM / /__/_/___________________ `He who dies with the most toys win!` /___________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 12:02:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10466 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:02:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA10359 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:01:59 GMT (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yPtuy-0006jw-00; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:01:52 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:01:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: lrios cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux And FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, lrios wrote: > options have been set.. Is there anything that I'm missing to get this > machine to work??? The only difference between the two is that the Linux You must be a troll, and this must not be a serious question... as I did not see any replies to my questions and those of others. Your machine is almost certainly not configured optimally, and it going to stay that way unless you provide some more information. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 12:04:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10922 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:04:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xmission.xmission.com (softweyr@xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA10901 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:04:35 GMT (envelope-from softweyr@xmission.xmission.com) Received: (from softweyr@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.8.8/8.7.5) id NAA25961; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:04:25 -0600 (MDT) From: Wes Peters - Softweyr LLC Message-Id: <199804161904.NAA25961@xmission.xmission.com> Subject: Re: Linux And FreeBSD To: lrios@ziplink.net (lrios) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:04:24 -0600 (MDT) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "lrios" at Apr 16, 98 02:49:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk lrios@ziplink.net asked: > Could someone please explain to me why a Linux 75 mhz machine kicks the > hell out of a FreeBSD with a Pentium II 266mhz 256M Ram and two ultra-wide > fast SCSI drives??? > > I love BSD but for performance reasons linux may be my choice. > > Any performance tips would be helpful... > > My linux machine puts out about 700 (locally)emails a minute while BSD > only puts > out about 200... my limits appear to configured properly. My kernel > options have been set.. Is there anything that I'm missing to get this > machine to work??? The only difference between the two is that the Linux > Box is working like a dog while the BSD box doesn't go above .05 load and > stays around 90 idle Mount your mail spool async and you'll makeup the difference. The linux filesystem does this by default. Not a great idea in the face of system crashes; async mounts tend to leave the disk scrambled beyond repair, but if Linux does it for you, FreeBSD with async is no worse. > What are the differences in memory managers between the two?? > I've got a consultant here trying to get linux to do everything but with > the numbers I'm seeing it's hard to stay loyal.. Please help!! Why would the memory managers have anything to do with an I/O bound process like email? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 12:06:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11639 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:06:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA11591 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:06:25 GMT (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04898; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:06:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: lrios cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux And FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:49:28 EDT." Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:06:12 -0700 Message-ID: <4894.892753572@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Could someone please explain to me why a Linux 75 mhz machine kicks the > hell out of a FreeBSD with a Pentium II 266mhz 256M Ram and two ultra-wide > fast SCSI drives??? Complete and total misconfiguration would be my first guess. > My linux machine puts out about 700 (locally)emails a minute while BSD > only puts > out about 200... my limits appear to configured properly. My kernel How are you testing this and what is generating these emails for the purposes of the test? What versions of FreeBSD and Linux? Same sendmail configuration on each? To answer this question intelligently would take a lot more data than you've given here, I'm afraid. > What are the differences in memory managers between the two?? Let's just say that they're different enough that drawing comparisons between them is probably not a meaningful exercise, nor would you guys be likely to understand the results of such a comparison anyway. > I've got a consultant here trying to get linux to do everything but with > the numbers I'm seeing it's hard to stay loyal.. Please help!! It's hard to help with so little information to go on. It's also hard to understand why you have someone working specifically on optimizing the Linux box but have no one to help you configure the FreeBSD machine with similar care. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 12:10:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13044 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:10:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [209.47.148.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13016 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:10:08 GMT (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.8.8/8.7.5) with SMTP id PAA03437; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:10:05 -0400 (EDT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Wes Peters - Softweyr LLC cc: lrios , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux And FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199804161904.NAA25961@xmission.xmission.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Wes Peters - Softweyr LLC wrote: > Mount your mail spool async and you'll makeup the difference. > The linux filesystem does this by default. Not a great idea > in the face of system crashes; async mounts tend to leave the > disk scrambled beyond repair, but if Linux does it for you, > FreeBSD with async is no worse. Not completely accurate...I've had a bugger of a time with my -stable box and crashes, yet my ASYNC mounted drives have *yet* to cause me any grief. I don't do it on anything i consider to be critical, so just use it for news, but my history file is mounted async, and I imagine I would notice corruption very quickly in that... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 12:15:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA14276 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:15:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA14269 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:15:09 GMT (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yPu7V-00006j-00; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:14:49 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:14:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: The Hermit Hacker cc: Wes Peters - Softweyr LLC , lrios , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux And FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > just use it for news, but my history file is mounted async, and I imagine > I would notice corruption very quickly in that... Hehe... probably not. Metainformation is so static on a history filesystem that async makes no difference, either for performance or reliability. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 12:27:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16653 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:27:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from set.spradley.tmi.net (set.spradley.tmi.net [207.170.107.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA16634 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:27:34 GMT (envelope-from tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net) Received: from localhost (set.spradley.tmi.net) [127.0.0.1] by set.spradley.tmi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yPuJh-0005fy-00; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:27:25 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: lrios cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux And FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:49:28 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:27:25 -0500 From: Ted Spradley Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk You haven't said anything about performance except for email. What you need to do first is determine if your performance problem is the whole system, doing anything, or is it just email. If other stuff (like "make buildworld", that's a good seat-of-the-pants general performance test) seems as fast as you'd expect, then quit worrying about memory management and focus your attention on your email configuration. I'm certainly no expert on sendmail configuration, so I can't suggest where the problem might be, but I would bet that there's something really wrong, like the mail's all going to Timbuktu and bouncing back. On the other hand, if everything is really slow then it may be some very basic hardware misconfiguration. Look for a really basic hardware test program you can boot from a floppy. You might find something helpful (in this case) from Dr. Thomas Pabst's Web pages (http://sysdoc.pair.com/ if I recall). How are you testing the email performance? Are you putting it into production and letting the users pound it, or is there some kind of test generator driving it? If it's a test generator, then how do you know that's not the bottleneck? You did say the machine is 90% idle. Maybe you're just not driving it hard enough. Did your consultant tell you there was a memory management problem? ;-) > Could someone please explain to me why a Linux 75 mhz machine kicks the > hell out of a FreeBSD with a Pentium II 266mhz 256M Ram and two ultra-wide > fast SCSI drives??? > > I love BSD but for performance reasons linux may be my choice. > > Any performance tips would be helpful... > > > My linux machine puts out about 700 (locally)emails a minute while BSD > only puts > out about 200... my limits appear to configured properly. My kernel > options have been set.. Is there anything that I'm missing to get this > machine to work??? The only difference between the two is that the Linux > Box is working like a dog while the BSD box doesn't go above .05 load and > stays around 90 idle > > What are the differences in memory managers between the two?? > I've got a consultant here trying to get linux to do everything but with > the numbers I'm seeing it's hard to stay loyal.. Please help!! > ______ __ > /___ / / / __ > / /(@)__ / (@)__ / /__ lrios@ziplink.net > / // / _ \/ / / _ \/ '_/ > / //_/ .__/_/_/_//_/_/\_\ NASA TEAM > / /__/_/___________________ `He who dies with the most toys win!` > /___________________________ > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 12:28:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16917 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:28:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ziplink.net (relay-0.ziplink.net [206.15.168.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16855 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:28:08 GMT (envelope-from lrios@ziplink.net) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net (zip1.ziplink.net [206.15.168.18]) by ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA20354 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:27:37 -0400 (EDT) From: lrios To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: async mounts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk How can I mount my file partitions asynchronously?? Is their an option for fstab mounted file systems?? ______ __ /___ / / / __ / /(@)__ / (@)__ / /__ lrios@ziplink.net / // / _ \/ / / _ \/ '_/ / //_/ .__/_/_/_//_/_/\_\ NASA TEAM / /__/_/___________________ `He who dies with the most toys win!` /___________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 12:39:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA21530 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:39:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from enterprise.cs.unm.edu (enterprise-atm.cs.unm.edu [198.83.90.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA21473 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:39:27 GMT (envelope-from cfaehl@cs.unm.edu) Received: from avarice.cs.unm.edu [198.59.151.252] by enterprise.cs.unm.edu with esmtp (Exim 1.80 #2) id 0yPuVC-0000ud-00; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:39:18 -0600 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: lrios cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: async mounts In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:27:37 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:39:10 -0600 From: Chris Faehl Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > How can I mount my file partitions asynchronously?? Is their an option > for fstab mounted file systems?? Yup. It's documented under mount (man mount) [this seems like something that should be documented under fstab - it seems the fstab doc is written very generically. It would be useful if at least basic ufs and nfs options were documented under fstab, since these are almost universally used filesystems.] > > > ______ __ > /___ / / / __ > / /(@)__ / (@)__ / /__ lrios@ziplink.net > / // / _ \/ / / _ \/ '_/ > / //_/ .__/_/_/_//_/_/\_\ NASA TEAM > / /__/_/___________________ `He who dies with the most toys win!` > /___________________________ > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Faehl | Email: cfaehl@cs.unm.edu The University of New Mexico | URL: http://www.cs.unm.edu/~cfaehl Computer Science Dept., Rm. FEC 313 | Phone: 505/277-3016 Albuquerque, NM 87131 USA | FAX: 505/277-6927 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 12:46:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24246 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:46:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA24137 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:46:44 GMT (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05198; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:46:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: lrios cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: async mounts In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:27:37 EDT." Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:46:26 -0700 Message-ID: <5194.892755986@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > How can I mount my file partitions asynchronously?? Is their an option > for fstab mounted file systems?? Did you try reading the man page for the mount command? It's a crazy idea, I know, but it JUST MIGHT WORK. :-) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 13:10:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05495 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:10:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c243.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA03565 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:09:55 GMT (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA07510; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:09:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: lrios cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Sendmail In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:31:04 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:09:15 -0400 Message-ID: <7506.892757355@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk lrios wrote in message ID : > I'm currently running FreeBSD 2.2.5 on a Pentium II 266mhz machine with > 256M ram and finding performace issues with Sendmail.. I've placed much > load on this machine and found that I can old get about 200 emails per > minute.. Just for comparison I did that same on a Linux machine running a > 75 mhz Pentium and 32 mb ram and found that it could put about 500 per > minute. I also found that the pentium two barely took a breath while the > linux machine was at 20% idle (not a suprise).. Is that because of > different memory managers or some type of kernel config?? Any ideas would > be greatly appreciated... Filesystem differences. From memory, Linux has a default of doing `async' writes, meaning that file data is flushed out as written (or close enough), while the metadata is flushed by sync. This allows a drastic speed difference as the disk heads are not having to do as many seeks (one to the file data, one to the file metadata, etc) per write. Try mounting your queuedir async and see if that helps (mount -o async -u /filesystem ) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 13:24:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21542 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:24:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from set.spradley.tmi.net (set.spradley.tmi.net [207.170.107.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA21530; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:24:32 GMT (envelope-from tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net) Received: from localhost (set.spradley.tmi.net) [127.0.0.1] by set.spradley.tmi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yPvCq-0005jD-00; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:24:24 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Gary Palmer" cc: lrios , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Sendmail In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:09:15 EDT." <7506.892757355@gjp.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:24:23 -0500 From: Ted Spradley Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Are your disk drives busy? Or are they 90% idle, too? > lrios wrote in message ID > : > > I'm currently running FreeBSD 2.2.5 on a Pentium II 266mhz machine with > > 256M ram and finding performace issues with Sendmail.. I've placed much > > load on this machine and found that I can old get about 200 emails per > > minute.. Just for comparison I did that same on a Linux machine running a > > 75 mhz Pentium and 32 mb ram and found that it could put about 500 per > > minute. I also found that the pentium two barely took a breath while the > > linux machine was at 20% idle (not a suprise).. Is that because of > > different memory managers or some type of kernel config?? Any ideas would > > be greatly appreciated... > > Filesystem differences. From memory, Linux has a default of doing > `async' writes, meaning that file data is flushed out as written (or close > enough), while the metadata is flushed by sync. This allows a drastic > speed difference as the disk heads are not having to do as many seeks > (one to the file data, one to the file metadata, etc) per write. > Try mounting your queuedir async and see if that helps > > (mount -o async -u /filesystem ) > > Gary > -- > Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member > FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 13:38:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25206 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:38:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from home.pelops.com (root@pelops.com [204.255.233.232] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA25170; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:38:37 GMT (envelope-from dbj@pelops.com) Received: from home.pelops.com (dbj@home.pelops.com [204.255.234.65]) by home.pelops.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA15724; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:34:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "David E. Brooks Jr" X-Sender: dbj@home.pelops.com To: Gary Palmer cc: lrios , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Sendmail In-Reply-To: <7506.892757355@gjp.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Gary Palmer wrote: > lrios wrote in message ID > : > > I'm currently running FreeBSD 2.2.5 on a Pentium II 266mhz machine with > > 256M ram and finding performace issues with Sendmail.. I've placed much > > load on this machine and found that I can old get about 200 emails per > > minute.. Just for comparison I did that same on a Linux machine running a > > 75 mhz Pentium and 32 mb ram and found that it could put about 500 per > > minute. I also found that the pentium two barely took a breath while the > > linux machine was at 20% idle (not a suprise).. Is that because of > > different memory managers or some type of kernel config?? Any ideas would > > be greatly appreciated... > > Filesystem differences. From memory, Linux has a default of doing > `async' writes, meaning that file data is flushed out as written (or close > enough), while the metadata is flushed by sync. This allows a drastic > speed difference as the disk heads are not having to do as many seeks > (one to the file data, one to the file metadata, etc) per write. > Try mounting your queuedir async and see if that helps > > (mount -o async -u /filesystem ) Also, don't forget to check to see if the filesystem is optimized for speed instead of space (man 8 tunefs). Granted, it's nowhere near the performance increase of mounting async, but if that makes you a bit skittish then marking the filesystem for speed can't hurt any. -- Dave -- David E. Brooks Jr mailto:dbj@pelops.com Tantalus Incorporated http://members.iglou.com/dbj/ 130 Fairfax Avenue, Suite 1D Louisville, KY 40207 finger dbj@iglou.com for public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 13:49:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27985 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:49:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c243.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA27866 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:49:21 GMT (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA07578; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:48:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Ted Spradley cc: lrios , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Sendmail In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:24:23 CDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:48:02 -0400 Message-ID: <7574.892759682@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Ted Spradley wrote in message ID : > Are your disk drives busy? Or are they 90% idle, too? Please tell me how you measure disk `idleness' :) There are no such figures available. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 14:07:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02890 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:07:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from burka.rdy.com (dima@burka.rdy.com [205.149.163.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02819; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:06:57 GMT (envelope-from dima@burka.rdy.com) Received: by burka.rdy.com id OAA09190; (8.8.8/RDY) Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804162106.OAA09190@burka.rdy.com> Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-Reply-To: <199804161119.EAA24061@ns.frihet.com> from "David E. Tweten" at "Apr 16, 98 04:19:58 am" To: tweten@frihet.com Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Cc: dima@best.net, tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net, louie@TransSys.COM, trost@cloud.rain.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG X-Class: Fast Organization: HackerDome Reply-To: dima@best.net From: dima@best.net (Dima Ruban) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk David E. Tweten writes: > dima@best.net said: > >Normal users *do not need* to have an read acces to the kernel. > >They simply don't. > > I'm sorry, but this one finally pinched my corn. System administrators who > believe users must prove that they need a service or resource before they > will be permitted access to it have always annoyed me. When they get the > upper hand, such administrators destroy user productivity by forcing the more > numerous class of "users" to waste time proving when they should be using. > When I have the opportunity, I try to challenge such *administrators* to > prove that no users have a need before clamping down. Excuse me? What are they (users) going to do with kernel name list besides attempting to hack your machine? They can't really use it anyway. > "Prove to my you need it" is not the Unix way as I understand it. To quote > from the forward of the original Bell System Technical Journal introducing > Unix [volume 57, number 6, part 2], "He [Ken Thompson] and the others who > soon joined him had one overriding objective: to create a computing > environment where they themselves could comfortably and effectively pursue > their own work ..." What resulted was a system that presumed openness, and > restricted users only when there was a compelling need to do so. > > So, my challenge to you is, "Show me how the current kernel permissions can > be used to crack FreeBSD." If you can't, please don't restrict them. If you This is totally wrong. If we will be closing only a security *holes*, we won't go anywhere. Thre's such a thing called *potential* problem. This one was one of potential problems as well. > must, please put mention of this change on a readme file list of gratuitous > restrictions, so I can remove it from my systems without losing too much > sleep over why it was there in the first place. > -- > David E. Tweten | 2047-bit PGP fingerprint: | tweten@frihet.com > 12141 Atrium Drive | E9 59 E7 5C 6B 88 B8 90 | tweten@and.com > Saratoga, CA 95070-3162 | 65 30 2A A4 A0 BC 49 AE | (408) 446-4131 > Those who make good products sell products; those who don't, sell solutions. > > -- dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 14:13:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04780 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:13:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from set.spradley.tmi.net (set.spradley.tmi.net [207.170.107.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA04707; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:13:27 GMT (envelope-from tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net) Received: from localhost (set.spradley.tmi.net) [127.0.0.1] by set.spradley.tmi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yPvxz-0005mN-00; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:13:07 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Gary Palmer" cc: lrios , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Sendmail In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:48:02 EDT." <7574.892759682@gjp.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:13:07 -0500 From: Ted Spradley Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Ted Spradley wrote in message ID > : > > Are your disk drives busy? Or are they 90% idle, too? > > Please tell me how you measure disk `idleness' :) There are no such > figures available. Hey, I didn't mean I wanted a number +/- 3% ! You can tell if the LEDs blink briefly every ten or twenty seconds, or if they're on more than off. If you can't see the LEDs, maybe you can hear the head motion. I was only trying to get lrios to give us a little more information about his problem. > > Gary > -- > Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member > FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 14:51:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17226 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:51:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from homer.supersex.com (homer.supersex.com [209.5.1.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA17201 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:51:32 GMT (envelope-from leo@homer.supersex.com) Received: (from leo@localhost) by homer.supersex.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id RAA17612; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980416175226.43485@supersex.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:52:26 -0400 From: Leo Papandreou To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux And FreeBSD References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from lrios on Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 02:49:28PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 02:49:28PM -0400, lrios wrote: > > My linux machine puts out about 700 (locally)emails a minute while BSD > only puts > out about 200... my limits appear to configured properly. My kernel > options have been set.. Is there anything that I'm missing to get this Qmail vs Sendmail perhaps? Qmail is rather faster and also the default on one Linux distribution or another. That plus mounting your partitions async should kick the sorry P75's butt. Not that you gave us much to go on but - point blank - its just silly to think Linux makes for a better mail hub. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 14:56:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA18758 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:56:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from homer.supersex.com (homer.supersex.com [209.5.1.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA18609 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:55:52 GMT (envelope-from leo@homer.supersex.com) Received: (from leo@localhost) by homer.supersex.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id RAA17627; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980416175643.20204@supersex.com> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:56:44 -0400 From: Leo Papandreou To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: async mounts References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from lrios on Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 03:27:37PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 03:27:37PM -0400, lrios wrote: > How can I mount my file partitions asynchronously?? Is their an option > for fstab mounted file systems?? Dont do this until you learn the man command. > > > ______ __ > /___ / / / __ > / /(@)__ / (@)__ / /__ lrios@ziplink.net > / // / _ \/ / / _ \/ '_/ > / //_/ .__/_/_/_//_/_/\_\ NASA TEAM > / /__/_/___________________ `He who dies with the most toys win!` > /___________________________ > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 15:22:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25976 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:22:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from set.spradley.tmi.net (set.spradley.tmi.net [207.170.107.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA25943; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:22:12 GMT (envelope-from tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net) Received: from localhost (set.spradley.tmi.net) [127.0.0.1] by set.spradley.tmi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yPx1m-0005qz-00; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:21:06 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: dima@best.net cc: tweten@frihet.com, louie@TransSys.COM, trost@cloud.rain.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:06:30 PDT." <199804162106.OAA09190@burka.rdy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:21:06 -0500 From: Ted Spradley Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > David E. Tweten writes: > > dima@best.net said: > > >Normal users *do not need* to have an read acces to the kernel. > > >They simply don't. > > > > I'm sorry, but this one finally pinched my corn. System administrators who > > believe users must prove that they need a service or resource before they > > will be permitted access to it have always annoyed me. When they get the > > upper hand, such administrators destroy user productivity by forcing the more > > numerous class of "users" to waste time proving when they should be using. > > When I have the opportunity, I try to challenge such *administrators* to > > prove that no users have a need before clamping down. > > Excuse me? What are they (users) going to do with kernel name list > besides attempting to hack your machine? No, you've missed Mr. Tweten's point. You don't get to ask. *You* have to prove that there's *nothing* else they could get from reading the kernel. Furthermore, it's not obvious to me what they could get from reading it that would allow them to "hack your machine". > They can't really use it anyway. It would be a nuisance to me if I had to su root to do the "strings /kernel | grep '^___' " thing. If you have such an adversarial relationship with these 'users' then by all means, change your file permissions on your system any way you like, but don't impose your changes on the rest of us. BTW, you can make your system more secure by disconnecting the network cable, and even more secure by disconnecting the power cable. > > "Prove to my you need it" is not the Unix way as I understand it. To quote > > from the forward of the original Bell System Technical Journal introducing > > Unix [volume 57, number 6, part 2], "He [Ken Thompson] and the others who > > soon joined him had one overriding objective: to create a computing > > environment where they themselves could comfortably and effectively pursue > > their own work ..." What resulted was a system that presumed openness, and > > restricted users only when there was a compelling need to do so. > > > > So, my challenge to you is, "Show me how the current kernel permissions can > > be used to crack FreeBSD." If you can't, please don't restrict them. If you > > This is totally wrong. If we will be closing only a security *holes*, > we won't go anywhere. Thre's such a thing called *potential* problem. > This one was one of potential problems as well. > > > must, please put mention of this change on a readme file list of gratuitous > > restrictions, so I can remove it from my systems without losing too much > > sleep over why it was there in the first place. > > -- > > David E. Tweten | 2047-bit PGP fingerprint: | tweten@frihet.com > > 12141 Atrium Drive | E9 59 E7 5C 6B 88 B8 90 | tweten@and.com > > Saratoga, CA 95070-3162 | 65 30 2A A4 A0 BC 49 AE | (408) 446-4131 > > Those who make good products sell products; those who don't, sell solutions. > > > > > > -- dima > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 16:08:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06737 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:08:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from burka.rdy.com (dima@burka.rdy.com [205.149.163.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA06555; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:07:29 GMT (envelope-from dima@burka.rdy.com) Received: by burka.rdy.com id QAA10457; (8.8.8/RDY) Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804162307.QAA10457@burka.rdy.com> Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-Reply-To: from Ted Spradley at "Apr 16, 98 05:21:06 pm" To: tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net (Ted Spradley) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Cc: dima@best.net, tweten@frihet.com, louie@TransSys.COM, trost@cloud.rain.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG X-Class: Fast Organization: HackerDome Reply-To: dima@best.net From: dima@best.net (Dima Ruban) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Ted Spradley writes: > > Excuse me? What are they (users) going to do with kernel name list > > besides attempting to hack your machine? > > No, you've missed Mr. Tweten's point. You don't get to ask. *You* have > to prove that there's *nothing* else they could get from reading the > kernel. How can I prove that there's nothing else they can get from reading my kernel, if I'm trying to prove opposite? > Furthermore, it's not obvious to me what they could get from reading it > that would allow them to "hack your machine". For example, some time ago it would have been possible to read N bytes from the terminal buffer under SunOS with ``netstat'' command if you happen to have an access to the kernel namelist. > > They can't really use it anyway. > > It would be a nuisance to me if I had to su root to do the "strings > /kernel | grep '^___' " thing. How often do you do that? > If you have such an adversarial relationship with these 'users' then by > all means, change your file permissions on your system any way you like, > but don't impose your changes on the rest of us. > > BTW, you can make your system more secure by disconnecting the network > cable, and even more secure by disconnecting the power cable. Smart suggestion indeed. > -- dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 16:08:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06938 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:08:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ocean.campus.luth.se (ocean.campus.luth.se [130.240.194.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA06733; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:08:13 GMT (envelope-from karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se) Received: (from karpen@localhost) by ocean.campus.luth.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA15315; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:02:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from karpen) From: Mikael Karpberg Message-Id: <199804162302.BAA15315@ocean.campus.luth.se> Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-Reply-To: from Ted Spradley at "Apr 16, 98 05:21:06 pm" To: tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net (Ted Spradley) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:02:22 +0200 (CEST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk According to Ted Spradley: > > Excuse me? What are they (users) going to do with kernel name list > > besides attempting to hack your machine? > > No, you've missed Mr. Tweten's point. You don't get to ask. *You* have > to prove that there's *nothing* else they could get from reading the > kernel. > > Furthermore, it's not obvious to me what they could get from reading it > that would allow them to "hack your machine". > > > They can't really use it anyway. > > It would be a nuisance to me if I had to su root to do the "strings > /kernel | grep '^___' " thing. You don't have to, just chmod it once. Quite frankly, why don't you all spend your energys doing something sane instead of going on and on about this? And I have to agree with Dima, the more secure the better. Wanna hear a reall good argument? It's easy to forget to frob all the 1000 small knobs that "you can frob on YOUR machine if you want it secure". It's however quite easy to remember to chmod it when you or one of your users gets annoyed at not being able to read it. It annoys you the first time, but you su, chmod, and exit. Nothing more to it. You simply will not forget to, because it will not let you. I definitely don't mind a change that doesn't affect any programs negatively, if it has a chance of making the system at least a bit more secure. /Mikael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 16:17:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09723 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:17:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (passer.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.110.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA09569 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:16:59 GMT (envelope-from cschuber@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.8/8.6.10) id QAA03131; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804162316.QAA03131@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> Received: from localhost(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "passer.osg.gov.bc.ca" via SMTP by localhost, id smtpdaadbja; Thu Apr 16 16:16:14 1998 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 Reply-to: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-Sender: cschuber To: Leo Papandreou cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux And FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:52:26 EDT." <19980416175226.43485@supersex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:15:53 -0700 From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Qmail vs Sendmail perhaps? ... and don't forget vmail... Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Open Systems Group Internet: cschuber@uumail.gov.bc.ca ITSD Cy.Schubert@gems8.gov.bc.ca Government of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 16:35:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16012 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:35:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA15942 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:34:15 GMT (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yPyAJ-0007YO-00; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:33:59 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:33:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group cc: Leo Papandreou , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux And FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199804162316.QAA03131@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > > Qmail vs Sendmail perhaps? > > ... and don't forget vmail... ...of course, vmailer stands for vapourware-mail. Never have I seen a free software package hyped so much before the public can even download it... Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 16:46:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17809 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:46:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.2.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17718 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:45:46 GMT (envelope-from chad@freebie.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.7/8.8.3a) id QAA09188; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:45:16 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199804162345.QAA09188@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: various PCI Ethernet cards v.s. SMC Ethernet switches.... To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:45:15 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199804161611.MAA07218@brain.zeus.leitch.com> from "Greg A. Woods" at "Apr 16, 98 12:11:58 pm" Reply-to: chad@dcfinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > The cables seem OK -- they're all four-pair, and we've interchanged > them and used quite a number of different ones. We do not have a full > cable test set though, and have never verified that they work with > full-duplex connections between any other pieces of equipment. > However I think we can rule out cables when the switch still doesn't > work in half-duplex mode. I've run across some commercial cables that were manufactured with better (tighter twist, proper gauge wire) pairs on the pins you would use in half-duplex. The other two pairs were electrically connected, but not twisted and had thinner wire (maybe 26 gauge). I'd guess the manufacturer was trying to save money (and perhaps cable thickness) by scrimping on the part he figured you'd never use. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-953-1392 chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 16:46:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18014 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:46:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from conductor.synapse.net (conductor.synapse.net [199.84.54.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA18006 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:46:36 GMT (envelope-from evanc@synapse.net) Received: (qmail 14950 invoked from network); 16 Apr 1998 23:46:35 -0000 Received: from cpu1970.adsl.bellglobal.com (HELO cello) (206.47.37.201) by conductor.synapse.net with SMTP; 16 Apr 1998 23:46:35 -0000 Message-ID: <00a501bd6991$e3fc9e80$c9252fce@cello.synapse.net> From: "Evan Champion" To: Subject: .depend files not containing dependencies Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:46:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I'm trying to do a make world on my 2.2.6-STABLE of April 4, and am running in to trouble with the .depend files. Basically, the .depend seems to contain the sum of the cpp'd .c's and .h's instead of dependency lists. As an example, here's an excerpt from the end of chown's .depend: void usage() { (void)fprintf((&__sF[2]), "%s\n%s\n%s\n", "usage: chown [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-f] [-h] owner[:group] file ...", " chown [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-f] [-h] :group file ...", " chgrp [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-f] [-h] group file ..."); exit(1); } That definitely shouldn't be in there :-) I tried rm -rf'ing /usr/src and re-cvsup'ing but it didn't help. It is repeatable; this has happened on 3 builds now. If I make depend outside of make buildworld, the .depend file comes out correct. The only odd thing I am doing is building over NFS... Any ideas? Evan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 17:01:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA20876 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:01:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA20869 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:00:57 GMT (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yPyaM-0002Td-00; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:00:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:00:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: restore problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I was testing "restore" on 2.2.6-stable, system and it fails mysteriously almost immediately: root@pegasus# restore -r hole in map abort? [yn] Segmentation fault root@pegasus# There is a small pause between when the "abort?" prompt comes up, and when dump segfaults. What does "hole in map" mean? Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 18:16:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA06845 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:16:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wawasee.read.indiana.edu (wawasee.read.indiana.edu [149.159.108.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA06779; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:16:14 GMT (envelope-from ghormann@nix.kconline.com) Received: from localhost (xwin@localhost) by wawasee.read.indiana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA06005; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:16:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ghormann@nix.kconline.com) X-Authentication-Warning: wawasee.read.indiana.edu: xwin owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:16:08 -0500 (EST) From: Greg Hormann X-Sender: xwin@wawasee.read.indiana.edu To: Gary Palmer cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Sendmail In-Reply-To: <7574.892759682@gjp.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Gary Palmer wrote: > Ted Spradley wrote in message ID > : > > Are your disk drives busy? Or are they 90% idle, too? > > Please tell me how you measure disk `idleness' :) There are no such > figures available. % systat -iostat (disk usage) % systat -vmstat (interupt info may be useful) man systat for more info. Greg. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 18:21:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA07426 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:21:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Central.KeyWest.MPGN.COM (Central.TanSoft.COM [208.194.145.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA07402; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:21:08 GMT (envelope-from rwm@MPGN.COM) Received: (from rwm@localhost) by Central.KeyWest.MPGN.COM (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA14700; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:20:36 -0400 From: Rob Miracle Message-Id: <199804170120.VAA14700@Central.KeyWest.MPGN.COM> Subject: Re: Linux And FreeBSD To: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Cc: lrios@ziplink.net, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199804162231.PAA28644@hub.freebsd.org> from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Apr 16, 98 03:31:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > lrios wrote: > > My linux machine puts out about 700 (locally)emails a minute while BSD > > only puts > > out about 200... my limits appear to configured properly. My kernel > > options have been set.. Is there anything that I'm missing to get this > > machine to work??? The only difference between the two is that the Linux > > Box is working like a dog while the BSD box doesn't go above .05 load and > > stays around 90 idle > > anyway: 200 messages a minute is equal to 12,000 an hour. > we typically get 20,000 an hour with the mail spool mounted > normally. your 500 per minute translates to 30,000 an hour > and too much risk for me. If Linux is running qmail it would have a lot to do with it, but assuming sendmail on both, was Linux running a name server and FreeBSD not? Sendmail really slows down when its not running on a name server. We had to run DNS on our mailing list box in a "Cache" mode. It made a world of difference to sendmail. You gotta make sure your running with the same configuration. Caching, swap, memory, async mounts, and other thing will have an effect. To compare OS's, you need to be on the same hardware, same setup, and make sure the tests are compatiable. Rob -- Rob Miracle rwm@mpgn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 18:36:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10791 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:36:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.scitec.com.au (firewall-user@fgate.scitec.com.au [203.17.180.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA10720 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:36:27 GMT (envelope-from john.saunders@scitec.com.au) Received: by firewall.scitec.com.au; id LAA00256; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:36:14 +1000 (EST) Received: from mailhub.scitec.com.au(203.17.180.131) by fgate.scitec.com.au via smap (3.2) id xma000249; Fri, 17 Apr 98 11:36:05 +1000 Received: from hydra.scitec.com.au (hydra.scitec.com.au [203.17.182.101]) by mailhub.scitec.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA08373; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:36:02 +1000 Received: from scitec.com.au (saruman.scitec.com.au) by hydra.scitec.com.au with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA073256961; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:36:01 +1000 Message-Id: <3536B201.5716C1D7@scitec.com.au> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:36:01 +1000 From: John Saunders Organization: SCITEC LIMITED X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: lrios Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux And FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Your problem is with disk speed not memory management. Try this and then tell us which system is faster... 1) Edit your /etc/fstab file. 2) For all of your ufs filesystems, change the options from "rw" to "rw,async". 3) Save the file and reboot. Now you are playing on a level field. By default FreeBSD uses a slow but safe disk access method, by default Linux uses fast but unsafe. Then if you need more performance use the ccd device to create a striped partition across those 2 drives of yours for your /var (and /var/spool if you have it) filesystems. Cheers. lrios wrote: > Could someone please explain to me why a Linux 75 mhz machine kicks the > hell out of a FreeBSD with a Pentium II 266mhz 256M Ram and two ultra-wide > fast SCSI drives??? > > I love BSD but for performance reasons linux may be my choice. > > Any performance tips would be helpful... > > My linux machine puts out about 700 (locally)emails a minute while BSD > only puts > out about 200... my limits appear to configured properly. My kernel > options have been set.. Is there anything that I'm missing to get this > machine to work??? The only difference between the two is that the Linux > Box is working like a dog while the BSD box doesn't go above .05 load and > stays around 90 idle > > What are the differences in memory managers between the two?? > I've got a consultant here trying to get linux to do everything but with > the numbers I'm seeing it's hard to stay loyal.. Please help!! -- +------------------------------------------------------------+ . | John Saunders mailto:John.Saunders@scitec.com.au (Work) | ,--_|\ | mailto:john@nlc.net.au (Home) | / Oz \ | http://www.nlc.net.au/~john/ | \_,--\_/ | SCITEC LIMITED Phone +61 2 9428 9563 Fax +61 2 9428 9933 | v | "By the time you make ends meet, they move the ends." | +------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 19:03:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16588 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:03:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from saten.dyn.ml.org (124.ppp6.gulftel.com [208.222.59.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA16576 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 02:03:28 GMT (envelope-from lists@saten.dyn.ml.org) Received: from localhost (lists@localhost) by saten.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA13712; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:03:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:03:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Phillip Salzman To: Stephen Wynne cc: Frank Pawlak , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RealVideo Player In-Reply-To: <199804160832.BAA13970@northwest.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Stephen Wynne wrote: > Just for the record, I have an SB16PNP. I can do the welcome.ra > file in the distribution, but not stuff off the net. > > I'd like it to work, but I don't have time to fight with it. > I'll keep an eye on this disucssion :-) Mine is the non-pnp. Its old, but works with everything else. I can now open the realvideo/realaudio files (I forgot the LD_LI... stuff) but I still have the problem of them accually playing, It doesn't give an error, it just doesn't play. I press the play button and it'll basicly skip all but two of the frames. I have no audio. Maybe it doesn't run in -stable and i missunderstood. Phillip To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 19:37:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA23493 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:37:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from set.spradley.tmi.net (set.spradley.tmi.net [207.170.107.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA23286; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 02:36:48 GMT (envelope-from tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net) Received: from localhost (set.spradley.tmi.net) [127.0.0.1] by set.spradley.tmi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yQ0zz-000653-00; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:35:31 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: dima@best.net cc: tweten@frihet.com, louie@TransSys.COM, trost@cloud.rain.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:07:11 PDT." <199804162307.QAA10457@burka.rdy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:35:31 -0500 From: Ted Spradley Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Ted Spradley writes: > > > Excuse me? What are they (users) going to do with kernel name list > > > besides attempting to hack your machine? > > > > No, you've missed Mr. Tweten's point. You don't get to ask. *You* have > > to prove that there's *nothing* else they could get from reading the > > kernel. > > How can I prove that there's nothing else they can get from reading my kernel, > if I'm trying to prove opposite? You have to prove that there is nothing else besides attempting to hack your machine that these users could possibly get from reading the kernel. That is, you have to prove your assertion that there is nothing useful that users could get from reading the kernel. I just wanted to clarify my wording. I've had quite enough of this subject. We've already wasted far more effort on the discussion than I was attempting to save by preventing a gratuitous change. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 19:46:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA25224 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:46:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from internet1.mel.cybec.com.au (internet1.mel.cybec.com.au [203.103.154.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA25210 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 02:46:44 GMT (envelope-from TLiddelow@cybec.com.au) Received: from cybec.com.au (TECH34.mel.cybec.com.au [203.103.154.244]) by internet1.mel.cybec.com.au (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-14031) with ESMTP id AAA1667 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:48:25 +1000 Message-ID: <3536C38E.59FECAD5@cybec.com.au> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:50:54 +1000 From: TLiddelow@cybec.com.au (Tim Liddelow) Organization: Cybec Pty Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: subscribe freebsd-stable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk subscribe freebsd-stable -- ==================================================================== Tim Liddelow * Internet Consulting Internet Project Manager * * Cybec Pty Ltd * Anti Virus/Firewalls/Security Phone: +61 3 9825 5645 C++/UNIX/WIN32/OOP/OOD/WWW mailto:TLiddelow@cybec.com.au * http://www.vet.com.au/ ===================================================================== -------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by Vet MailSafe ------------------------------- http://www.vet.com.au -------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 20:38:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA04331 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:38:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA04282; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 03:37:59 GMT (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (tnt248.wcc.net [208.10.139.248]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA05659; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:33:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00814; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:37:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:37:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199804160337.WAA00814@detlev.UUCP> To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG CC: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, sos@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199804151212.OAA12483@sos.freebsd.dk> (message from Søren Schmidt on Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:12:35 +0200 (MEST)) Subject: Re: syscons.c From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <199804151212.OAA12483@sos.freebsd.dk> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >>>> There was a discussion a while back (jan/feb) about graphical >>>> screensavers and changes needed in /sys/i386/isa/syscons.s to support >>>> them. AFAIK none of these changes have been committed. I want to >>>> commit *one* of them (the most conservative one): slightly change the >>>> order in which things are done in scrn_timer.c to prevent the deadlock >>>> that arises on wakeup (syscons wants to stop the screensaver but >>>> doesn't dare to because the console is in an unknown mode). >>> That will be OK.. >> OK, I committed this to the 1.182.2 branch which is what goes into >> STABLE unless I am mistaken. > What about -current ?? I can see to the applicable -current changes if you need me to. Best, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 20:40:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA04849 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:40:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from burka.rdy.com (dima@burka.rdy.com [205.149.163.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA04797; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 03:40:37 GMT (envelope-from dima@burka.rdy.com) Received: by burka.rdy.com id UAA12029; (8.8.8/RDY) Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804170340.UAA12029@burka.rdy.com> Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-Reply-To: from Ted Spradley at "Apr 16, 98 09:35:31 pm" To: tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net (Ted Spradley) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Cc: dima@best.net, tweten@frihet.com, louie@TransSys.COM, trost@cloud.rain.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG X-Class: Fast Organization: HackerDome Reply-To: dima@best.net From: dima@best.net (Dima Ruban) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Ted Spradley writes: > > Ted Spradley writes: > > > > Excuse me? What are they (users) going to do with kernel name list > > > > besides attempting to hack your machine? > > > > > > No, you've missed Mr. Tweten's point. You don't get to ask. *You* have > > > to prove that there's *nothing* else they could get from reading the > > > kernel. > > > > How can I prove that there's nothing else they can get from reading my kernel, > > if I'm trying to prove opposite? > > You have to prove that there is nothing else besides attempting to hack > your machine that these users could possibly get from reading the kernel. > That is, you have to prove your assertion that there is nothing useful > that users could get from reading the kernel. Ahh, sorry. It was probably problem with my English. Okay. What can user get from being able to read kernel. 1. Debugging symbols and symbol table - user doesn't need that. 2. Possible kernel configuration - questionable. 3. Kernel namelist - user doesn't need that. 4. Kernel copy with possible commercial stuff - user doesn't need that. 5. Kernel copy with possible restricted/crypto - user doesn't need that. stuff. I believe, this is about it, or at least I can't think of anything else. Everything else user can get using standard commands. All of such a commands have sgid on kmem. (This includes netstat/dmesg/systat/nfsstat/w/ps/etc, etc, etc.) > > I just wanted to clarify my wording. I've had quite enough of this subject. We've already wasted far more effort on the discussion than I was attempting to save by preventing a gratuitous change. > Me too. Honestly, I didn't expect any objections on this subject and was quite surprised after receiving so much responces (mostly from you :-) > -- dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 21:54:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17075 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:54:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mph124.rh.psu.edu (mph@MPH124.rh.psu.edu [128.118.126.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA17070; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 04:54:34 GMT (envelope-from mph@mph124.rh.psu.edu) Received: (from mph@localhost) by mph124.rh.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA06016; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:54:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mph) Message-ID: <19980417005408.08278@mph124.rh.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:54:08 -0400 From: Matthew Hunt To: dima@best.net Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions Mail-Followup-To: dima@best.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199804170340.UAA12029@burka.rdy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199804170340.UAA12029@burka.rdy.com>; from Dima Ruban on Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 08:40:22PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 08:40:22PM -0700, Dima Ruban wrote: > 1. Debugging symbols and symbol table - user doesn't need that. > 2. Possible kernel configuration - questionable. > 3. Kernel namelist - user doesn't need that. > 4. Kernel copy with possible commercial stuff - user doesn't need that. > 5. Kernel copy with possible restricted/crypto - user doesn't need that. My complaint, and I think the general complaint of people disagreeing with you, is that you are not setting policy at your site, you are setting policy on all FreeBSD boxes, as-shipped. Why are you in a position to decide what users, at thousands of sites besides your own, do or do not need to know? Many of the arguments you have made could be applied to making /bin/ls mode 111 as well, since nobody *needs* to look at that. There is a heritage, or intertia, that says we should keep things like they are, unless there is a clear reason to do otherwise. You, therefore, are the one in the position to justify the change, and it does not seem to me like you have done so. My $0.02. -- Matthew Hunt * Stay close to the Vorlon. http://mph124.rh.psu.edu/~mph/pgp.key for PGP public key 0x67203349. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 22:19:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA20761 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:19:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from burka.rdy.com (dima@burka.rdy.com [205.149.163.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA20745; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 05:19:22 GMT (envelope-from dima@burka.rdy.com) Received: by burka.rdy.com id WAA12540; (8.8.8/RDY) Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804170519.WAA12540@burka.rdy.com> Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-Reply-To: <19980417005408.08278@mph124.rh.psu.edu> from Matthew Hunt at "Apr 17, 98 00:54:08 am" To: mph@pobox.com (Matthew Hunt) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Cc: dima@best.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG X-Class: Fast Organization: HackerDome Reply-To: dima@best.net From: dima@best.net (Dima Ruban) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Matthew Hunt writes: > On Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 08:40:22PM -0700, Dima Ruban wrote: > > > 1. Debugging symbols and symbol table - user doesn't need that. > > 2. Possible kernel configuration - questionable. > > 3. Kernel namelist - user doesn't need that. > > 4. Kernel copy with possible commercial stuff - user doesn't need that. > > 5. Kernel copy with possible restricted/crypto - user doesn't need that. > > My complaint, and I think the general complaint of people disagreeing > with you, is that you are not setting policy at your site, you are > setting policy on all FreeBSD boxes, as-shipped. It's not about setting policy. It's about being reasonable. > Why are you in a position to decide what users, at thousands of sites > besides your own, do or do not need to know? Many of the arguments > you have made could be applied to making /bin/ls mode 111 as well, > since nobody *needs* to look at that. Right. The only difference is - no harm could be done with being able to read /bin/ls (or possible bad things) > There is a heritage, or intertia, that says we should keep things like > they are, unless there is a clear reason to do otherwise. You, What heritage? You mean the amount of people what don't want this change? I can tell you that more people agreed with me in either private email or responding to the mailing list than disagree. > therefore, are the one in the position to justify the change, and it > does not seem to me like you have done so. Again. There's a difference between "potential problem" and "security hole". This is not a security hole, but a potential problem (theoretically possible even). If this doesn't break anything, why in the hell shouldn't we have it? "Don't fix that ain't broke" is not an answer. > > My $0.02. I think, I've already went over 10 bucks :-) > > -- > Matthew Hunt * Stay close to the Vorlon. > http://mph124.rh.psu.edu/~mph/pgp.key for PGP public key 0x67203349. > -- dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 22:43:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA26122 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:43:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA26035; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 05:43:07 GMT (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from trojanhorse.pr.watson.org (trojanhorse.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.10]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA22191; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:45:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: Dima Ruban cc: Matthew Hunt , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-Reply-To: <199804170519.WAA12540@burka.rdy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk So, With all this discussion of various things that might or might not improve the security of a FreeBSD system, I'd like to propose the FreeBSD Hardening Project. What I have in mind is a port in the ports collection that would "harden" the default FreeBSD base installation. It would apply schg flags, remove unnecessary read/write/etc access from standard binaries and config files, disable most daemons and inetd.conf entries, install a more-than-minimal ipfw config, perhaps enable some kernel settings, etc. The goal would be to move from an "open" system to one that might be more appropriate for a router or firewall machine in a less friendly network environment. For the paranoid, of course, it would be appropriate for every-day use :). The system would then be in what many would consider an unusable state -- the administrator could optionally reenable features as they saw fit (i.e., incoming telnet, ftp, finger, incoming icmp, packet forwarding, smtp, and so on). Does this seem like an interesting or useful proposal? When setting up a proxy server, I really want a minimal feature set enabled, although having the standard toolset available is always useful. The proxy user, however, should not even be able to send packets on irregular ports, and would be restricted by ipfw. Similarly, use of secure levels would allow us to significantly reduce the effects of any kind of compromise. Some other thoughts I had were instructions for rolling a custom system CD + possibly a boot disk to create read-only machines for use as proxy servers or routers. Swap + MFS would be the only writable areas of the system, and neither of those would persist over boot. On my multi-user machines, I know directly or indirectly many of the users. But in the real world, contrary to the suggestions of many, one cannot trust Joe User. Either because they don't take precautions necessary to secure their own accounts, or because of the scale of the environment. A number of the large scale UNIX machines I have seen go so far as to disable all setuid utilities (other than su) to prevent unauthorized use of the system. Including utilities such as ping. No one debates the usefulness of remote login -- something that NT has as yet been unable to provide at any reasonable cost. But in a less trusted environment, it may be our undoing :). Anyhow, if there is sufficient interest in the project, I'd like to try and get it off the ground. Presumably, some changes might work their way back into the default distribution. If we lose no significant functionality, it cannot hurt to restrict priveledges. It may help us when those unpredicted vulnerabilities do turn up. Robert N Watson ---- Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ Trusted Information Systems http://www.tis.com/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 22:51:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA28836 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:51:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA28656; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 05:50:22 GMT (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca34-10.ix.netcom.com [207.93.143.138]) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA02023; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/8.6.9) id WAA11577; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804170550.WAA11577@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: dima@best.net CC: mph@pobox.com, dima@best.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199804170519.WAA12540@burka.rdy.com> (dima@best.net) Subject: Re: kernel permissions From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk * From: dima@best.net (Dima Ruban) * What heritage? You mean the amount of people what don't want this change? * I can tell you that more people agreed with me in either private email * or responding to the mailing list than disagree. Really? I didn't say anything because I didn't want to contribute to this (seemingly unimportant) argument, but let me state for the record that I don't agree with you. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 22:55:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00658 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:55:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mph124.rh.psu.edu (mph@MPH124.rh.psu.edu [128.118.126.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA00532; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 05:55:17 GMT (envelope-from mph@mph124.rh.psu.edu) Received: (from mph@localhost) by mph124.rh.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA06596; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:55:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mph) Message-ID: <19980417015505.15073@mph124.rh.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:55:05 -0400 From: Matthew Hunt To: Robert Watson , Dima Ruban Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions Mail-Followup-To: Robert Watson , Dima Ruban , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199804170519.WAA12540@burka.rdy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Robert Watson on Fri, Apr 17, 1998 at 01:45:29AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, Apr 17, 1998 at 01:45:29AM -0400, Robert Watson wrote: > Anyhow, if there is sufficient interest in the project, I'd like to try > and get it off the ground. Presumably, some changes might work their way > back into the default distribution. If we lose no significant > functionality, it cannot hurt to restrict priveledges. It may help us > when those unpredicted vulnerabilities do turn up. It sounds to me like a wothwhile project, even though I would be unlikely to use it myself. I do question the idea of making it part of the ports system, because the idea of ports modifying the base system seems like a considerable departure from the rest of the ports collection. I can't be persuaded that a world-readable kernel can ever present a problem (the real problem would have to be in some other software) and Dima is unlikely to be persuaded to my point of view. I see a pattern in my future: "make install", forget to change the perms to 444, reboot, kick myself (since I run with securelevel=1), swear to remember next time, and repeat the cycle. :-) -- Matthew Hunt * Stay close to the Vorlon. http://mph124.rh.psu.edu/~mph/pgp.key for PGP public key 0x67203349. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 23:44:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13479 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:44:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhub.NetMan.SE (mailhub.netman.se [194.52.54.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA13428; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:44:21 GMT (envelope-from allard@NetMan.SE) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mailhub.NetMan.SE (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA23639; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:50:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost(127.0.0.1) by mailhub.NetMan.SE via smap (V2.0) id xma023636; Fri, 17 Apr 98 08:50:11 +0200 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:50:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Johan Allard To: Robert Watson cc: Dima Ruban , Matthew Hunt , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Indeed something to work on. An excellent suggestion. On the whish list I would like to add support for IPsec. It must be possible to port the code from OpenBSD. Since OpenBSD is exported from Canada it is possible to use it with strong encryptions even here in Europe. If it is possible to import the OpenBSD code with regular patches using ports it would be possible to include it in FreeBSD and use it worldwide. The world indeed be a better place if we could use IPsec with FreeBSD. //johan allard > So, > > With all this discussion of various things that might or might not improve > the security of a FreeBSD system, I'd like to propose the FreeBSD > Hardening Project. What I have in mind is a port in the ports collection > that would "harden" the default FreeBSD base installation. It would apply > schg flags, remove unnecessary read/write/etc access from standard > binaries and config files, disable most daemons and inetd.conf entries, > install a more-than-minimal ipfw config, perhaps enable some kernel > settings, etc. The goal would be to move from an "open" system to one > that might be more appropriate for a router or firewall machine in a less > friendly network environment. For the paranoid, of course, it would be > appropriate for every-day use :). > > The system would then be in what many would consider an unusable state -- > the administrator could optionally reenable features as they saw fit > (i.e., incoming telnet, ftp, finger, incoming icmp, packet forwarding, > smtp, and so on). > > Does this seem like an interesting or useful proposal? When setting up a > proxy server, I really want a minimal feature set enabled, although having > the standard toolset available is always useful. The proxy user, however, > should not even be able to send packets on irregular ports, and would be > restricted by ipfw. Similarly, use of secure levels would allow us to > significantly reduce the effects of any kind of compromise. > > Some other thoughts I had were instructions for rolling a custom system CD > + possibly a boot disk to create read-only machines for use as proxy > servers or routers. Swap + MFS would be the only writable areas of the > system, and neither of those would persist over boot. > > On my multi-user machines, I know directly or indirectly many of the > users. But in the real world, contrary to the suggestions of many, one > cannot trust Joe User. Either because they don't take precautions > necessary to secure their own accounts, or because of the scale of the > environment. A number of the large scale UNIX machines I have seen go so > far as to disable all setuid utilities (other than su) to prevent > unauthorized use of the system. Including utilities such as ping. No one > debates the usefulness of remote login -- something that NT has as yet > been unable to provide at any reasonable cost. But in a less trusted > environment, it may be our undoing :). > > Anyhow, if there is sufficient interest in the project, I'd like to try > and get it off the ground. Presumably, some changes might work their way > back into the default distribution. If we lose no significant > functionality, it cannot hurt to restrict priveledges. It may help us > when those unpredicted vulnerabilities do turn up. > > Robert N Watson > > > ---- > Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ > Trusted Information Systems http://www.tis.com/ > SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ > robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe security" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 23:45:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13924 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:45:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from burka.rdy.com (dima@burka.rdy.com [205.149.163.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA13888; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:45:31 GMT (envelope-from dima@burka.rdy.com) Received: by burka.rdy.com id XAA13015; (8.8.8/RDY) Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804170645.XAA13015@burka.rdy.com> Subject: Re: kernel permissions (part II) In-Reply-To: <19980417015505.15073@mph124.rh.psu.edu> from Matthew Hunt at "Apr 17, 98 01:55:05 am" To: mph@pobox.com (Matthew Hunt) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Cc: robert+freebsd@cyrus.watson.org, dima@best.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG X-Class: Fast Organization: HackerDome Reply-To: dima@best.net From: dima@best.net (Dima Ruban) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Matthew Hunt writes: > On Fri, Apr 17, 1998 at 01:45:29AM -0400, Robert Watson wrote: > > > Anyhow, if there is sufficient interest in the project, I'd like to try > > and get it off the ground. Presumably, some changes might work their way > > back into the default distribution. If we lose no significant > > functionality, it cannot hurt to restrict priveledges. It may help us > > when those unpredicted vulnerabilities do turn up. > > It sounds to me like a wothwhile project, even though I would be > unlikely to use it myself. I do question the idea of making it It actually depends on what are you using FreeBSD for. Of course you don't really need it if you use you machine as a desktop, or in one/few user production enviroment. (No need to argue, it's just a basic point) > part of the ports system, because the idea of ports modifying the > base system seems like a considerable departure from the rest of > the ports collection. About having this in ports - I don't think so, and I doubt Satoshi will disagree with me. > I can't be persuaded that a world-readable kernel can ever present > a problem (the real problem would have to be in some other software) Absolutely. That's why I've called it a "potential problem" > and Dima is unlikely to be persuaded to my point of view. I see > a pattern in my future: "make install", forget to change the perms > to 444, reboot, kick myself (since I run with securelevel=1), swear > to remember next time, and repeat the cycle. :-) :-) I don't see a good way of adjusting this. That why I was pointing that this change ton't break anything. Speaking about improving security. How about change like this (I didn't implement it yet, but it's not be a big deal). Right now we have a mount flag "nosuid". It serves it's mission, but I'd love to have some flexibility on this. Example is ISP enviroment (again :-). You want to allow users to have suid to them programs, but at the same time you feel bad about having suid programs for uids less than something (let's say 100). How about to implement this? Via mount options or something else? Let's say, one wants to allow users to have suid programs, if uid on suid program is greater than N and less than M. How does it sound? > > -- > Matthew Hunt * Stay close to the Vorlon. > http://mph124.rh.psu.edu/~mph/pgp.key for PGP public key 0x67203349. > -- dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 23:56:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA17575 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:56:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA17429; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:55:29 GMT (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Spinner) with ESMTP id OAA27954; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:52:55 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199804170652.OAA27954@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Matthew Hunt cc: Robert Watson , Dima Ruban , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:55:05 -0400." <19980417015505.15073@mph124.rh.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:52:54 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Matthew Hunt wrote: [..] > I can't be persuaded that a world-readable kernel can ever present > a problem (the real problem would have to be in some other software) > and Dima is unlikely to be persuaded to my point of view. I see > a pattern in my future: "make install", forget to change the perms > to 444, reboot, kick myself (since I run with securelevel=1), swear > to remember next time, and repeat the cycle. :-) For what it's worth, I strongly disagree with making it 440 as well. It serves no purpose other than inconveniencing people. I mean, the majority of the systems would stil have /usr/src/sys/compile/SYSNAME/* readable. What's next? enforcing restricted permissions on /usr/src? chmod 751 /dev? How many places do we describe 'nm -p /kernel | sort | more' as part of the standard procedure for people mailing bug reports? This is rare enough as it is, and since it's more inconvenient it'll become rarer still. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm Netplex Consulting To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 16 23:57:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA18164 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:57:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rocksalt.mui.net ([207.12.13.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA18116 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:57:50 GMT (envelope-from ken@mui.net) From: ken@mui.net Received: from lihing.mui.net (lihing.mui.net [207.12.13.237]) by rocksalt.mui.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA16698 for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:57:48 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from ken@mui.net) Message-Id: <199804170657.UAA16698@rocksalt.mui.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:54:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-reply-to: <19980417005408.08278@mph124.rh.psu.edu> References: <199804170340.UAA12029@burka.rdy.com>; from Dima Ruban on Thu, Apr 16, 1998 at 08:40:22PM -0700 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > My complaint, and I think the general complaint of people disagreeing > with you, is that you are not setting policy at your site, you are > setting policy on all FreeBSD boxes, as-shipped. > > Why are you in a position to decide what users, at thousands of sites > besides your own, do or do not need to know? Many of the arguments > you have made could be applied to making /bin/ls mode 111 as well, > since nobody *needs* to look at that. > MY 2 cents. why worry about something so small. There's so much more work to do everywhere and everything. whatever is decided is decided, whoever decides it. can't we just move on to other topics? whoever has been deciding this part, why not let them continue to do so... FreeBSD needs to have lots more holes covered, lots more work ... not worth going back and forth on these little issues. whoever wants to get upset at me for saying this, it's okay. I'm just glad that people have been working on things, trying to make it better. THAT'S my 2 cents ... ken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 03:48:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA26403 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 03:48:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA26379 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:48:48 GMT (envelope-from dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from boole.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 17 Apr 98 11:48:24 +0100 (BST) To: dima@best.net cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:19:21 PDT." <199804170519.WAA12540@burka.rdy.com> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:48:24 +0100 From: David Malone Message-ID: <9804171148.aa15869@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > therefore, are the one in the position to justify the change, and it > > does not seem to me like you have done so. > > Again. There's a difference between "potential problem" and "security hole". > This is not a security hole, but a potential problem (theoretically > possible even). If this doesn't break anything, why in the hell > shouldn't we have it? > "Don't fix that ain't broke" is not an answer. Reading the problem cannot cause any security problem (except possibly the "reading comercial drivers" one, which isn't generic security). It could make another security hole more explotiable. Chmod'ing the kernel sounds far too like security through obscurity to me. David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 04:00:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA28801 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 04:00:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roma.coe.ufrj.br (root@roma.coe.ufrj.br [146.164.53.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28795 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:00:22 GMT (envelope-from jonny@coe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by roma.coe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA18239 for stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:43:28 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199804161743.OAA18239@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Subject: -stable VM problem ? To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:43:28 -0300 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I'm not sure if this is a known problem, but today I noted that at least one of my -stable systems panics when a process try to alocate too much memory. I've made a program to print the ammount of memory alocated and initialized (calloc) while it's alocating. In that machine, with 40M RAM (25 M free before running this program, as told by top) and 64M swap, the system panics with page fault while in kernel running pagedaemon, after alocating about 50M. Has somebody else seen this ? I know that I can reserve more space to swap to aleviate the problem, that's not the question here. Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 ( Job ) jonny@coppe.ufrj.br M.Sc. Student Electrical Engineering Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 04:07:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA01259 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 04:07:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coal.sentex.ca (coal.sentex.ca [209.112.4.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01254; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:07:32 GMT (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from gravel (ospf-mdt.sentex.net [205.211.164.81]) by coal.sentex.ca (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA21272; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:07:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980417065518.02797100@sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@sentex.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:55:18 -0400 To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Tancsa Subject: INN 1.7.2 eating huge gobs RAM and crashing 2.2.6 Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I dont know if others see this or not, but every 2 days or so I need to restart innd because it eats up huge amounts of swap. If I let it go, it will spin out of control, and crash the machine. I was just about to reboot it when I took this snap shot. I have the kernel config set to 128 users, its a p133 with 128meg of RAM and 2.2.6-STABLE as of a last week. Does anyone have any idea what might be the cause of this ? flint# pstat -s Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Type /dev/wd0s1b 262144 218076 44004 83% Interleaved /dev/sd4s1b 614400 217692 396644 35% Interleaved Total 876416 435768 440648 50% last pid: 13341; load averages: 1.48, 1.40, 0.88 06:58:47 35 processes: 2 running, 33 sleeping CPU states: % user, % nice, % system, % interrupt, % idle Mem: 37M Active, 52M Inact, 20M Wired, 15M Cache, 8346K Buf, 616K Free Swap: 856M Total, 795M Used, 61M Free, 93% Inuse PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 26114 news -6 0 48768K 16236K biowai 36:05 18.20% 18.20% innd 13337 news -6 11 1208K 1496K biowai 0:00 6.31% 2.67% in.nnrpd 13340 news 80 11 1196K 1488K RUN 0:00 10.94% 1.53% in.nnrpd 13339 news 2 11 1200K 1492K sbwait 0:00 2.52% 0.92% in.nnrpd 13338 news 2 11 1200K 1492K sbwait 0:00 2.21% 0.80% in.nnrpd . . . flint# vmstat -m Memory statistics by bucket size Size In Use Free Requests HighWater Couldfree 16 47 721 1836 1280 0 32 156 228 218529 640 0 64 12423 121 8423270 320 0 128 19648 576 6869328 160 321 256 10947 285 5942183 80 450 512 74 78 192914 40 16616 1K 169 259 12103033 20 3880133 2K 54 78 299729 10 191538 4K 13 3 4288 5 0 8K 0 1 4 5 0 16K 83 0 264 5 0 32K 5 0 21 5 0 Memory usage type by bucket size Size Type(s) 16 devbuf, pcb, routetbl, vnodes, proc, temp 32 devbuf, pcb, routetbl, ifaddr, pgrp, session, subproc, ether_multi, temp 64 devbuf, routetbl, ifaddr, namecache, VM mapent, VM pgdata, file, lockf, in_multi, temp 128 devbuf, pcb, routetbl, zombie, ifaddr, cred, vnodes, VM map, VM object, VM pgdata, file desc, temp, ttys 256 devbuf, socket, pcb, routetbl, vnodes, VM map, VM pgdata, file desc, subproc, FFS node, NFS srvsock, NFS daemon, temp, isa_devlist, select 512 devbuf, pcb, ioctlops, mount, UFS mount, proc, temp, BIO buffer 1K devbuf, namei, UFS mount, VM pgdata, NQNFS Lease, BIO buffer 2K devbuf, UFS mount, VM pgdata, proc, ttys, BIO buffer 4K mbuf, devbuf, UFS mount, temp 8K temp 16K devbuf, VM pgdata 32K devbuf, NFS node, namecache, UFS quota, UFS mount, VM pgdata Memory statistics by type Type Kern Type InUse MemUse HighUse Limit Requests Limit Limit Size(s) mbuf 1 4K 4K 19661K 1 0 0 4K devbuf 62 145K 145K 19661K 162 0 0 16,32,64,128,256,512,1K,2K,4K,16K,32K socket 52 13K 37K 19661K 112863 0 0 256 pcb 62 12K 29K 19661K 113760 0 0 16,32,128,256,512 routetbl 168 22K 38K 19661K 5678 0 0 16,32,64,128,256 zombie 0 0K 3K 19661K 192648 0 0 128 ifaddr 14 2K 2K 19661K 14 0 0 32,64,128 namei 0 0K 9K 19661K 10475332 0 0 1K ioctlops 0 0K 1K 19661K 8 0 0 512 cred 11 2K 5K 19661K 24294 0 0 128 pgrp 17 1K 1K 19661K 11521 0 0 32 session 15 1K 1K 19661K 11164 0 0 32 mount 9 5K 5K 19661K 9 0 0 512 NFS node 1 32K 32K 19661K 1 0 0 32K vnodes 10690 1336K 1336K 19661K 12064 0 0 16,128,256 namecache 10652 698K 698K 19661K 10652 0 0 64,32K UFS quota 1 32K 32K 19661K 1 0 0 32K UFS mount 25 65K 65K 19661K 25 0 0 512,1K,2K,4K,32K VM map 43 10K 26K 19661K 192691 0 0 128,256 VM mapent 1475 93K 93K 19661K 1475 0 0 64 VM object 8586 1074K 1126K 19661K 6353129 0 0 128 VM pgdata 322 1273K 1275K 19661K 2995 0 0 64,128,256,1K,2K,16K,32K file 125 8K 17K 19661K 4829659 0 0 64 file desc 54 9K 25K 19661K 212659 0 0 128,256 lockf 1 1K 1K 19661K 3579963 0 0 64 proc 44 24K 55K 19661K 193097 0 0 16,512,2K subproc 47 4K 8K 19661K 385343 0 0 32,256 FFS node 10648 2662K 2663K 19661K 5210552 0 0 256 NQNFS Lease 1 1K 1K 19661K 1 0 0 1K NFS srvsock 2 1K 1K 19661K 2 0 0 256 NFS daemon 1 1K 1K 19661K 1 0 0 256 in_multi 2 1K 1K 19661K 2 0 0 64 ether_multi 1 1K 1K 19661K 1 0 0 32 temp 33 7K 22K 19661K 141338 0 0 16,32,64,128,256,512,4K,8K ttys 247 35K 55K 19661K 15886 0 0 128,2K isa_devlist 1 1K 1K 19661K 1 0 0 256 BIO buffer 184 211K 419K 19661K 1927197 0 0 512,1K,2K select 22 6K 11K 19661K 39210 0 0 256 Memory Totals: In Use Free Requests 7777K 644K 34055399 ********************************************************************** Mike Tancsa (mike@sentex.net) * To do is to be -- Nietzsche Sentex Communications Corp, * To be is to do -- Sartre Cambridge, Ontario * Do be do be do -- Sinatra (http://www.sentex.net/~mdtancsa) * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 06:01:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15941 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:01:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c243.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15915 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:01:29 GMT (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA08991; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:00:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Ted Spradley cc: lrios , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Sendmail In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:13:07 CDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:00:52 -0400 Message-ID: <8987.892818052@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Ted Spradley wrote in message ID : > Hey, I didn't mean I wanted a number +/- 3% ! You can tell if the LEDs > blink briefly every ten or twenty seconds, or if they're on more than > off. If you can't see the LEDs, maybe you can hear the head motion. > > I was only trying to get lrios to give us a little more information about > his problem. Unfortunately the production machines I work with (8 FreeBSD boxes) thats not readily available :-/ (rack mount cases with noisy fans so you can't hear the hard drive and poor LED's) Right now, the config we run on our inbound MX's (which are the busiest) are possibly more CPU bound than disk bound (P5-166's with a s**tload of data to sift through for anti-relaying checks), so its really anyone's guess. I think some more figures from lrios would help though, like watching `systat -v 1' for a while to see if anything is obviously bottlenecking... Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 06:21:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA18875 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:21:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c243.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18841 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:20:59 GMT (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA09065; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:20:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Greg Hormann cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Sendmail In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:16:08 CDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:20:34 -0400 Message-ID: <9061.892819234@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Greg Hormann wrote in message ID : > % systat -iostat > (disk usage) > > % systat -vmstat > (interupt info may be useful) > > man systat for more info. Thanks for the hints (I already know systat :-) ), but the figures don't really account for idleness, just busyness. There is no measure of how much capacity is left in the drive to do i/o operations. (Believe me, I watch systat -v 1 like a hawk during performance tuning) The vmstat display basically shows the same ammount of info about the disks that iostat does, just differently. Stuff not available: - Number of queued tagged commands (if supported). This could give a rough indication of if the drive was busy or not. - Average seek time. The number of transactions/second (or seeks/sec) is nearly useless without this info. If he is having a lot of full platter seeks, the transaction rate will drop drastically, giving the impression that the disk is not the bottleneck. On the flip side, a lot of short seeks (in the same CG) could give the impression that the disk is nearly maxed out when infact it has more i/o capacity left. Of course, this figure is very difficult to get ... There is other stuff which would be nice to get out of the system to highlight bottlenecks, or potential bottlenecks, but I don't think that the person that spawned this thread has investigated the simple options, let alone the more complex ones. (I'm currently sorta responsible for a 360,000 user mail system running mainly on FreeBSD, so I have a rough idea what I'm talking about :) ) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 06:32:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA21001 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:32:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20991 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:32:32 GMT (envelope-from berend@pobox.com) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:31:59 -0400 Received: from auke.deboer (pd15-157.par.compuserve.com [195.232.79.157]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.2) with ESMTP id JAA13231 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bmach (bmach.deboer [192.168.33.3]) by auke.deboer (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA00270 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:18:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from berend@pobox.com) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:18:30 +0200 Message-ID: <01BD6A14.144FB4A0.berend@pobox.com> From: Berend de Boer To: "'FreeBSD stable'" Subject: FreeBSD dies sort of after some time Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:18:29 +0200 Organization: NederWare X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hello All, I've the following problem. After running happily for a few days/weeks one of my FreeBSD dies sort of. If I issue a 'df' command or try to unmount something these commands never return and I'm not able to kill them. Using ps I see: /usr/home/berend$ ps ax | grep "df" 7490 p0 D+ 0:00.02 df 7491 p2 D+ 0:00.01 df Other things work (like ls), but mail isn't delivered properly anymore. When I issue the reboot command the machine says 'syncing discs' but that's all. I've to turn off the power to reboot it. I've seen this problem on 2.2.5-RELEASE through 2.2.6-STABLE. Does anyone have suggestions to track it down to either software/hardware? Currently I'm running 2.2.6 STABLE up to april 13. This machine: 486DX/33Mhz, one of the first 486 boards (yes I know, but FreeBSD performs quite well on machines like this :-) ), 16MB, 3COM 3C5x9 NIC, Adaptec 154X ISA SCSI, 1GB IBM SCSI disc, an IDE harddisk of 500MB, an ATAPI cdrom, floppy tape drive (seldom used), and SB16 (never used). It runs all my network/internet processes like named, ppp, NIS, is NFS server/client, gateway, whatever. I'll try to run a make buildworld a few times to see if I have hardware problems (I usually do these things on my PII FreeBSD boxes as you can imagine). Groetjes, Berend. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 07:25:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA29305 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:25:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles220.castles.com [208.214.165.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29288 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:25:10 GMT (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA00540; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804171422.HAA00540@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Berend de Boer cc: "'FreeBSD stable'" Subject: Re: FreeBSD dies sort of after some time In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:18:29 +0200." <01BD6A14.144FB4A0.berend@pobox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:22:27 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Hello All, > > I've the following problem. After running happily for a few days/weeks one > of my FreeBSD dies sort of. If I issue a 'df' command or try to unmount > something these commands never return and I'm not able to kill them. > > Using ps I see: > > /usr/home/berend$ ps ax | grep "df" > 7490 p0 D+ 0:00.02 df > 7491 p2 D+ 0:00.01 df > > Other things work (like ls), but mail isn't delivered properly anymore. > When I issue the reboot command the machine says 'syncing discs' but that's > all. I've to turn off the power to reboot it. Sounds like you have NFS-mounted filesystems where the server has gone away. > It runs all my network/internet processes like named, ppp, NIS, is NFS > server/client, gateway, whatever. Try mounting your NFS filesystems "soft,bg,intr". This won't help if they've gone away, but it will mean you can hit ^C to get out of df. (You may have to hit it several times...) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 07:55:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA04568 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:55:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from world.virtual-earth.de (world.virtual-earth.de [194.231.209.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04464; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:54:27 GMT (envelope-from mathiasp@mp.virtual-earth.de) Received: from mp.virtual-earth.de (mp.virtual-earth.de [194.231.209.35]) by world.virtual-earth.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26678; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:53:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mp.virtual-earth.de (localhost.virtual-earth.de [127.0.0.1]) by mp.virtual-earth.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02036; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:53:33 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199804171453.QAA02036@mp.virtual-earth.de> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:53:24 +0200 (MET DST) From: Mathias Picker Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Sendmail To: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9061.892819234@gjp.erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; BOUNDARY="0-846930886-892824816=:1123" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk --0-846930886-892824816=:1123 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII On 17 Apr, Gary Palmer wrote: > Greg Hormann wrote in message ID > : [snip] > Thanks for the hints (I already know systat :-) ), but the figures don't > really account for idleness, just busyness. There is no measure of how > much capacity is left in the drive to do i/o operations. (Believe me, I > watch systat -v 1 like a hawk during performance tuning) > > The vmstat display basically shows the same ammount of info about > the disks that iostat does, just differently. Stuff not available: > > - Number of queued tagged commands (if supported). This could give > a rough indication of if the drive was busy or not. > > - Average seek time. The number of transactions/second (or seeks/sec) Try using the msps option in systat -i ?? The manpage says: msps Toggle the display of average seek time (the de- fault is to not display seek times). I don't know if it's correct, but it does show some numbers :) -- Mathias Picker Social Studies * Information Architecture Mathias.Picker@virtual-earth.de +49 172 / 89 19 381 --0-846930886-892824816=:1123 Content-Type: APPLICATION/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBNTds6qzvoSjVwVSdAQF21AQAuDs5O2pVxEQ2eoW828O932QefZexWvbU M/C3f2Qk7LZ7TqET3bOG3N5zzTmP/iJKC9IS6PEYd+t76QDboymxbtytCD7U8tNl OIxnzbisp7g1W3bnsgxyGHwxcdU/u3OHWEqhuq+d/TuOEhfnSN6iVOszCPg15mrZ N2oqkxerJm4= =Urjh -----END PGP MESSAGE----- --0-846930886-892824816=:1123-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 08:00:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05789 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:00:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles220.castles.com [208.214.165.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05641; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:59:55 GMT (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA00724; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804171457.HAA00724@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Mathias Picker cc: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Sendmail In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:53:24 +0200." <199804171453.QAA02036@mp.virtual-earth.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:57:13 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > The vmstat display basically shows the same ammount of info about > > the disks that iostat does, just differently. Stuff not available: > > > > - Number of queued tagged commands (if supported). This could give > > a rough indication of if the drive was busy or not. > > > > - Average seek time. The number of transactions/second (or seeks/sec) > > Try using the msps option in systat -i ?? The manpage says: > msps Toggle the display of average seek time (the de- > fault is to not display seek times). > > I don't know if it's correct, but it does show some numbers :) Most of the disk-related stats are partially or completely bogus. The CAM code has some new disk statistics gathering, which slightly less bogus. Gathering meaningful numbers is quite difficult. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 08:58:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA16140 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:58:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uranus.planet-three.com (homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16054 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:57:44 GMT (envelope-from scot@poptart.org) Received: from Jupiter.planet-three.com (jupiter.planet-three.com [195.171.203.100]) by uranus.planet-three.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18900 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:55:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by Jupiter.planet-three.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA03915 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:55:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from scot@planet-three.com) X-Authentication-Warning: Jupiter.planet-three.com: scot owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:54:06 +0100 (BST) From: Scot Elliott To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: New CVSUP mirror Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi. This is my first time playing with cvsup so be gentle ;) There is a mirror of the FreeBSD source-code available via CVSUP on cvsup.poptart.org. This includes the international versions of the crypto stuff; the host is housed in the UK and the intention is for its primary user base to be UK based. Updates are once per hour (from a different host; the tree is mounted over NFS) from freefall.freebsd.org and internat.freebsd.org. There is currently a user limit of 5; this will be increased when the machine is upgraded next week. So - it'd be nice if anyone could try it out and let me know if I've screwed up in any way. If not then feel free to add it as another alias for cvsup.uk.freebsd.org. Regards. Scot. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott (scot@poptart.org) | Work: +44 (0)171 7046777 PGP fingerprint: FCAE9ED3A234FEB59F8C7F9DDD112D | Home: +44 (0)181 8961019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 08:58:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA16395 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:58:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16233; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:58:27 GMT (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11842; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:57:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Johan Allard cc: Robert Watson , Dima Ruban , Matthew Hunt , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:50:11 +0200." Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:57:44 -0700 Message-ID: <11838.892828664@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > On the whish list I would like to add support for IPsec. It must be The WIDE project folks have already implemented both IPsec and IPv6 - we just need to incorporate their stuff without hopefully pissing off any of the 1,473 different other IPv6 implementors out there .: -) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 09:16:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21095 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:16:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21045; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:16:08 GMT (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11623; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:15:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:15:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199804171615.MAA11623@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Johan Allard , Robert Watson , Dima Ruban , Matthew Hunt , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-Reply-To: <11838.892828664@time.cdrom.com> References: <11838.892828664@time.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk < said: >> On the whish list I would like to add support for IPsec. It must be > The WIDE project folks have already implemented both IPsec and > IPv6 - we just need to incorporate their stuff without hopefully > pissing off any of the 1,473 different other IPv6 implementors out > there .: -) If we could just get the WIDE people and the INRIA people (and the NRL people) to all coalesce around a single solution, we'd have a clear winner. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 09:39:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25305 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:39:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coconut.itojun.org (itojun@coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25223; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:39:07 GMT (envelope-from itojun@itojun.org) Received: from localhost (itojun@localhost.itojun.org [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta12/3.6W/smtpfeed 0.59) with ESMTP id BAA27912; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 01:38:44 +0900 (JST) To: Garrett Wollman cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Johan Allard , Robert Watson , Dima Ruban , Matthew Hunt , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: wollman's message of Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:15:57 -0400. <199804171615.MAA11623@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: Re: kernel permissions From: Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 01:38:44 +0900 Message-ID: <27908.892831124@coconut.itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >If we could just get the WIDE people and the INRIA people (and the NRL >people) to all coalesce around a single solution, we'd have a clear >winner. Though I'm very happy to try a joint effort, I think it is a "hard one". There's no standardized way of dealing with bunch of details of IPv6. WIDE/INRIA/NRL/others are quite different from each other. (believe me I ported INRIA/NRL from *BSD to *BSD several times, for some snapshots) Just imagine the differences in {Net,Free,Open}BSD{/OS} sys/net{,inet} code, and imagine why they can't be the same. You'll see what I'm saying. For WIDE IPv6/IPsec code: We're going to work on WIDE IPv6 stack in a full-time manner, so we'll be able to release WIDE IPv6/IPsec for FreeBSD 3.0 (maybe SNAP-98xxxx) in some weeks, hopefully. ftp://ftp.itojun.org/pub/ipv6 has weekly snapshot, as always. Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh itojun@{itojun.org,iij.ad.jp,kame.net} one of WIDE people To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 10:50:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11077 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:50:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11061 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:50:24 GMT (envelope-from berend@pobox.com) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:49:51 -0400 Received: from auke.deboer (pd10-126.par.compuserve.com [195.232.74.126]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.2) with ESMTP id NAA23456; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bmach (bmach.deboer [192.168.33.3]) by auke.deboer (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA03618; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:46:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from berend@pobox.com) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:47:01 +0200 Message-ID: <01BD6A39.974789D0.berend@pobox.com> From: Berend de Boer To: "'Mike Smith'" Cc: "'FreeBSD stable'" Subject: RE: FreeBSD dies sort of after some time Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:47:00 +0200 Organization: NederWare X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Friday, April 17, 1998 4:22 PM, Mike Smith [SMTP:mike@smith.net.au] wrote: > Sounds like you have NFS-mounted filesystems where the server has gone > away. It certainly did. Is this such a problem that the entire machine has to go dead? Even when killing all nfs daemons it doesn't return. > Try mounting your NFS filesystems "soft,bg,intr". This won't help if > they've gone away, but it will mean you can hit ^C to get out of df. > (You may have to hit it several times...) A certain section in "Managing NFS and NIS" makes a lot of sense now )-: Thanks a lot. Groetjes, Berend. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 11:10:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16111 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:10:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (winter@sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15906; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:10:06 GMT (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA06694; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:09:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Matthew Hunt cc: dima@best.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-Reply-To: <19980417005408.08278@mph124.rh.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Matthew Hunt wrote: > My complaint, and I think the general complaint of people disagreeing > with you, is that you are not setting policy at your site, you are > setting policy on all FreeBSD boxes, as-shipped. You have to have some sort of baseline. Look at /etc/login.conf. If that doesn't set policy for the entire set of all FreeBSD boxes I don't know what does. Why you didn't fuss about that as much when it went in I'm not sure. I detect an 'information wants to be free' additude though. Maybe its just me... /* Matthew N. Dodd | A memory retaining a love you had for life winter@jurai.net | As cruel as it seems nothing ever seems to http://www.jurai.net/~winter | go right - FLA M 3.1:53 */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 11:18:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18789 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:18:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from set.spradley.tmi.net (set.spradley.tmi.net [207.170.107.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA18621; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:17:57 GMT (envelope-from tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net) Received: from localhost (set.spradley.tmi.net) [127.0.0.1] by set.spradley.tmi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yQFh3-00071V-00; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:16:57 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Robert Watson cc: Dima Ruban , Matthew Hunt , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:45:29 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:16:56 -0500 From: Ted Spradley Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Robert Watson writes: > With all this discussion of various things that might or might not improve > the security of a FreeBSD system, I'd like to propose the FreeBSD > Hardening Project. Good idea. [...] > Some other thoughts I had were instructions for rolling a custom system CD > + possibly a boot disk to create read-only machines for use as proxy > servers or routers. Swap + MFS would be the only writable areas of the > system, and neither of those would persist over boot. I think this is a *particularly* good idea. Much less to worry about if most if the important stuff is read-only or write-once-read-many. [...] > Robert N Watson > > > ---- > Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ > Trusted Information Systems http://www.tis.com/ > SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ > robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 11:26:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21456 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:26:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c243.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21207 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:25:30 GMT (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA09488; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:23:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Mathias Picker cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Sendmail In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:53:24 +0200." <199804171453.QAA02036@mp.virtual-earth.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:23:56 -0400 Message-ID: <9484.892837436@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Mathias Picker wrote in message ID <199804171453.QAA02036@mp.virtual-earth.de>: > Try using the msps option in systat -i ?? The manpage says: > msps Toggle the display of average seek time (the de- > fault is to not display seek times). > > I don't know if it's correct, but it does show some numbers :) Hrm. You have IDE disks? Doesn't work on any of the SCSI-based machines that I have access to... Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 11:27:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21616 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:27:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sag.space.lockheed.com (sag.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA21226; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:25:32 GMT (envelope-from handy@sag.space.lockheed.com) Received: from localhost by sag.space.lockheed.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/21Nov95-0423PM) id AA28759; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:23:41 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:23:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Handy To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Cc: Matthew Hunt , dima@best.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Files: The truth is out there Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: >On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Matthew Hunt wrote: >> My complaint, and I think the general complaint of people disagreeing >> with you, is that you are not setting policy at your site, you are >> setting policy on all FreeBSD boxes, as-shipped. > >You have to have some sort of baseline. > >Look at /etc/login.conf. Yep, and I maintain that for 99% of us, this was a *HUGE* step backwards. Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 11:38:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25223 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:38:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gateman.zeus.leitch.com (gateman.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA24916 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:36:43 GMT (envelope-from woods@tap.zeus.leitch.com) Received: from zeus.leitch.com (tap.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.10]) by gateman.zeus.leitch.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/1.0) with ESMTP id OAA05594 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brain.zeus.leitch.com (brain.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.32]) by zeus.leitch.com (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.0) with ESMTP id OAA29743 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from woods@localhost) by brain.zeus.leitch.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16510; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:36:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from woods@tap.zeus.leitch.com) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804171836.OAA16510@brain.zeus.leitch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: woods@zeus.leitch.com (Greg A. Woods) To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux And FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Tom's message of "Thu, April 16, 1998 16:33:56 -0700" regarding "Re: Linux And FreeBSD " id References: <199804162316.QAA03131@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> X-Mailer: VM 6.45 under Emacs 20.2.1 Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Planix, Inc.; Toronto, Ontario; Canada Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk [ On Thu, April 16, 1998 at 16:33:56 (-0700), Tom wrote: ] > Subject: Re: Linux And FreeBSD > > ...of course, vmailer stands for vapourware-mail. Never have I > seen a free software package hyped so much before the public can even > download > it... The fact that the people hyping it have been who've been alpha testing might be some indication of just how good it really is. I've not yet run it myself, though I have looked through the code, and vapourware it most definitely is not. -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 443-1734 VE3TCP Planix, Inc. ; Secrets of the Weird To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 11:41:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26252 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:41:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mph124.rh.psu.edu (mph@MPH124.rh.psu.edu [128.118.126.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA26147; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:40:58 GMT (envelope-from mph@mph124.rh.psu.edu) Received: (from mph@localhost) by mph124.rh.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25457; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:40:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mph) Message-ID: <19980417144046.41055@mph124.rh.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:40:46 -0400 From: Matthew Hunt To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Cc: dima@best.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions Mail-Followup-To: "Matthew N. Dodd" , dima@best.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19980417005408.08278@mph124.rh.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Matthew N. Dodd on Fri, Apr 17, 1998 at 02:09:55PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, Apr 17, 1998 at 02:09:55PM -0400, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > Look at /etc/login.conf. If that doesn't set policy for the entire set of > all FreeBSD boxes I don't know what does. Why you didn't fuss about that > as much when it went in I'm not sure. (I think this discussion is out of proportion, so I will just address these issues and be done with it.) Two reasons: (a) login.conf resources limits address a genuine security issue, that of DoS attacks by resource exhaustion. I cannot see how reading the kernel can possibly be a security problem in and of itself. (b) I can change login.conf on my machine, and it will stay changed. If Makefile.i386 changes, changes I make will be destroyed by cvsup, so I have to change the Makefile whenever I build a kernel, or change the permissions right after "make install". > I detect an 'information wants to be free' additude though. Maybe its > just me... Yes, that's exactly it. I do not agree with hiding information unnecessarily. The belief that this change improves security seems like a "security by obscurity" approach. Hope this clarifies my opinions. -- Matthew Hunt * Stay close to the Vorlon. http://mph124.rh.psu.edu/~mph/pgp.key for PGP public key 0x67203349. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 11:51:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA29336 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:51:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gateman.zeus.leitch.com (gateman.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA29276 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:51:38 GMT (envelope-from woods@tap.zeus.leitch.com) Received: from zeus.leitch.com (tap.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.10]) by gateman.zeus.leitch.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/1.0) with ESMTP id OAA05700 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brain.zeus.leitch.com (brain.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.32]) by zeus.leitch.com (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.0) with ESMTP id OAA29855 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from woods@localhost) by brain.zeus.leitch.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16597; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:51:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from woods@tap.zeus.leitch.com) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804171851.OAA16597@brain.zeus.leitch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: woods@zeus.leitch.com (Greg A. Woods) To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: various PCI Ethernet cards v.s. SMC Ethernet switches.... In-Reply-To: Chad R. Larson's message of "Thu, April 16, 1998 16:45:15 -0700" regarding "Re: various PCI Ethernet cards v.s. SMC Ethernet switches...." id <199804162345.QAA09188@freebie.dcfinc.com> References: <199804161611.MAA07218@brain.zeus.leitch.com> <199804162345.QAA09188@freebie.dcfinc.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.45 under Emacs 20.2.1 Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Planix, Inc.; Toronto, Ontario; Canada Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk [ On Thu, April 16, 1998 at 16:45:15 (-0700), Chad R. Larson wrote: ] > Subject: Re: various PCI Ethernet cards v.s. SMC Ethernet switches.... > > I've run across some commercial cables that were manufactured with > better (tighter twist, proper gauge wire) pairs on the pins you would > use in half-duplex. The other two pairs were electrically connected, > but not twisted and had thinner wire (maybe 26 gauge). You do have to be careful when looking at multi-pair UTP cable. Each pair must have a different number of twists. However on being reminded by your post I ripped open one of the patch cables we were using and found that the R/G and Y/B pairs were the indeed the tightest. > I'd guess the manufacturer was trying to save money (and perhaps cable > thickness) by scrimping on the part he figured you'd never use. All our patch cables do appear to match their labels with 4-pair 24AWG stranded wire. -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 443-1734 VE3TCP Planix, Inc. ; Secrets of the Weird To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 11:57:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01112 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:57:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01026 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:57:11 GMT (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00315; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:53:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804171853.LAA00315@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Berend de Boer cc: "'Mike Smith'" , "'FreeBSD stable'" Subject: Re: FreeBSD dies sort of after some time In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:47:00 +0200." <01BD6A39.974789D0.berend@pobox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:53:02 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > On Friday, April 17, 1998 4:22 PM, Mike Smith [SMTP:mike@smith.net.au] wrote: > > > Sounds like you have NFS-mounted filesystems where the server has gone > > away. > > It certainly did. Is this such a problem that the entire machine has > to go dead? Even when killing all nfs daemons it doesn't return. This is because the system is in an uninterruptible NFS wait, as requested by your mount options. To understand why this is the default, think of a large network of workstations dependent on a server. Imagine you want to take the server down to work on it for a few hours, but can't do anything about the workstations. With the hard wait, processes on the workstations that depend on the server will just freeze until it comes back, even though that may be hours (or days!). This is the environment that NFS was designed in, and for, which is why that behaviour is the default. > > Try mounting your NFS filesystems "soft,bg,intr". This won't help if > > they've gone away, but it will mean you can hit ^C to get out of df. > > (You may have to hit it several times...) > > A certain section in "Managing NFS and NIS" makes a lot of sense now )-: > > Thanks a lot. No problem. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 11:58:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01236 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:58:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01147; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:57:42 GMT (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00330; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804171854.LAA00330@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Gary Palmer" cc: Mathias Picker , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Sendmail In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:23:56 EDT." <9484.892837436@gjp.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:54:47 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Mathias Picker wrote in message ID > <199804171453.QAA02036@mp.virtual-earth.de>: > > Try using the msps option in systat -i ?? The manpage says: > > msps Toggle the display of average seek time (the de- > > fault is to not display seek times). > > > > I don't know if it's correct, but it does show some numbers :) > > Hrm. You have IDE disks? Doesn't work on any of the SCSI-based > machines that I have access to... It *only* works on disks under the 'wd' controller. Yet another incomplete kernel stats interface. 8( -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 12:37:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10781 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:37:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from world.virtual-earth.de (world.virtual-earth.de [194.231.209.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA10747; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:37:10 GMT (envelope-from mathiasp@mp.virtual-earth.de) Received: from mp.virtual-earth.de (mp.virtual-earth.de [194.231.209.35]) by world.virtual-earth.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00852; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:36:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mp.virtual-earth.de (localhost.virtual-earth.de [127.0.0.1]) by mp.virtual-earth.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA00365; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:36:23 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199804171936.VAA00365@mp.virtual-earth.de> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:36:15 +0200 (MET DST) From: Mathias Picker Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Sendmail To: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9484.892837436@gjp.erols.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; BOUNDARY="0-1804289383-892841787=:362" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk --0-1804289383-892841787=:362 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII On 17 Apr, Gary Palmer wrote: > Mathias Picker wrote in message ID > <199804171453.QAA02036@mp.virtual-earth.de>: >> Try using the msps option in systat -i ?? The manpage says: >> msps Toggle the display of average seek time (the de- >> fault is to not display seek times). >> >> I don't know if it's correct, but it does show some numbers :) > > Hrm. You have IDE disks? Doesn't work on any of the SCSI-based > machines that I have access to... Checking.... Hmmm, you're right. Doesn't work on my scsi-equipped machine. It only works on my desktop, which has ide-drives > > Gary > -- > Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member > FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info > > -- Mathias Picker Social Studies * Information Architecture Mathias.Picker@virtual-earth.de +49 172 / 89 19 381 --0-1804289383-892841787=:362 Content-Type: APPLICATION/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBNTevNKzvoSjVwVSdAQFlUAP/RX7T90S3DtFvgWO0WC+dFMP73enEt4lF 7BXVOpkrYlLQVoGCagcMDO10L6Fw3OVgSbefBs/poKBaCacrMVoKSWtSjXSY/ojR 1JBNtWbIRDyLgTLMfJyUhbEJ1HCJNlLk4tVmVQa6SRXUO6rMOLNxsdOFAS+u4FLA EPf1NGLn0bQ= =IpLB -----END PGP MESSAGE----- --0-1804289383-892841787=:362-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 13:55:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25465 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:55:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA25453 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 20:55:33 GMT (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yQIAS-0006zb-00; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:55:28 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:55:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: dump/restore and large filesystem problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I'm attempting to backup a 32GB filesystem (about 8GB used) with dump on a 2.2.6-STABLE system. The problem is that "restore" can not read the data back: root@pegasus# restore -t Dump date: Fri Apr 17 05:15:00 1998 Dumped from: the epoch Level 0 dump of /bak on pegasus.uniserve.com:/dev/ccd0c Label: none hole in map abort? [yn] Segmentation fault root@pegasus# There is about a 3 second delay between the "abort?" prompt and when it segfaults. I guess dump/restore still have large filesystem problems... Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 14:31:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01224 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:31:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01155; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:30:36 GMT (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from trojanhorse.pr.watson.org (trojanhorse.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.10]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA01029; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:33:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: Dima Ruban cc: Matthew Hunt , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions (part II) In-Reply-To: <199804170645.XAA13015@burka.rdy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Dima Ruban wrote: > How about change like this (I didn't implement it yet, but it's not be a big > deal). > Right now we have a mount flag "nosuid". It serves it's mission, > but I'd love to have some flexibility on this. > Example is ISP enviroment (again :-). You want to allow users to have > suid to them programs, but at the same time you feel bad about having > suid programs for uids less than something (let's say 100). > > How about to implement this? Via mount options or something else? > Let's say, one wants to allow users to have suid programs, if uid on suid > program is greater than N and less than M. I was playing with this idea at one point, but still am not sure it is the best solution. One thing that might be nice to see (if layering support gets fixed) would be a POSIX capabilities layer to reduce the number of setuid programs needed. In an ISP environment, what setuid programs do you have in mind that users would use? I have never tried the setuid cgi wrapper I've heard described in the context of apache, for example. Robert N Watson ---- Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ Trusted Information Systems http://www.tis.com/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 14:41:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03983 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:41:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from elvis.vnet.net (elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03868; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:41:06 GMT (envelope-from hajime@vnet.net) Received: from katie.vnet.net (hajime@katie.vnet.net [166.82.1.7]) by elvis.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA20941; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hajime@localhost) by katie.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA06009; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:40:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: katie.vnet.net: hajime owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 17:40:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Hodges To: Greg Hormann cc: Gary Palmer , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Sendmail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Greg Hormann wrote: > On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, Gary Palmer wrote: > > > Ted Spradley wrote in message ID > > : > > > Are your disk drives busy? Or are they 90% idle, too? > > > > Please tell me how you measure disk `idleness' :) There are no such > > figures available. > > % systat -iostat > (disk usage) > > % systat -vmstat > (interupt info may be useful) > > man systat for more info. > > Greg. > I LIKE IT!!! Do these live in Solaris 2.6 as well? Regards, Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 16:23:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05291 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:23:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skraldespand.demos.su (skraldespand.demos.su [194.87.5.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA05197 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:22:53 GMT (envelope-from mishania@skraldespand.demos.su) Received: (from mishania@localhost) by skraldespand.demos.su (8.8.8/D) id DAA27243; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 03:22:42 +0400 (MSD) Posted-Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 03:22:42 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <19980418032241.40294@demos.su> Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 03:22:41 +0400 From: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" To: Tom Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dump/restore and large filesystem problems References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: ; from Tom on Fri, Apr 17, 1998 at 01:55:25PM -0700 Organization: Demos Company, Ltd., Moscow, Russian Federation. X-Point-of-View: Gravity is myth, - the earth sucks. X-Useless-Header: Look ma! It's a # sign! Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I reported bin/4683 PR on October, 3, 1997, it's still open and I didn't get any idea myself aswell. As it's written there, the workaround is -S [g,gnu]tar option. Which is "hadle sparse files efficiently" - dump can't. This was checked on 2.1.5, 2-2-some-beta, 3-0-some-snap . On Fri, Apr 17, 1998 at 01:55:25PM -0700, Tom wrote: # I'm attempting to backup a 32GB filesystem (about 8GB used) with dump on # a 2.2.6-STABLE system. The problem is that "restore" can not read the # data back: # # root@pegasus# restore -t # Dump date: Fri Apr 17 05:15:00 1998 # Dumped from: the epoch # Level 0 dump of /bak on pegasus.uniserve.com:/dev/ccd0c # Label: none # hole in map # abort? [yn] Segmentation fault # root@pegasus# # # There is about a 3 second delay between the "abort?" prompt and when it # segfaults. # # I guess dump/restore still have large filesystem problems... # # # Tom # # # # # To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org # with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- -mishania To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 16:26:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06162 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:26:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA06101 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:26:36 GMT (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yQKWa-00052V-00; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:26:28 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:26:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dump/restore and large filesystem problems In-Reply-To: <19980418032241.40294@demos.su> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Mikhail A. Sokolov wrote: > I reported bin/4683 PR on October, 3, 1997, it's still open and I didn't > get any idea myself aswell. As it's written there, the workaround is > -S [g,gnu]tar option. Which is "hadle sparse files efficiently" - dump > can't. This was checked on 2.1.5, 2-2-some-beta, 3-0-some-snap . But I don't have any sparse files on the filesystem (in fact, the filesystem just contains tar archive files). Also, tar backs up the filesystem properly, without special flags. Just a "tar c /filesystem" does it all. > On Fri, Apr 17, 1998 at 01:55:25PM -0700, Tom wrote: > # I'm attempting to backup a 32GB filesystem (about 8GB used) with dump on > # a 2.2.6-STABLE system. The problem is that "restore" can not read the > # data back: Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 17 23:32:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA11907 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:32:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA11850; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 06:31:55 GMT (envelope-from mark@vnode.vmunix.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA03178; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 02:33:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mark) Message-ID: <19980418023307.34709@vmunix.com> Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 02:33:07 -0400 From: Mark Mayo To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: best wdc0 flags ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi. I just put a shiney new IDE (Ultra33) drive in a machine, and I'm wondering what the best flags to use for the drive are.. I realize that I can't get DMA on -STABLE (cvsupping right now), but with the default LINT flags of: controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 flags 0x00ff8004 .. which turns on 32-bit transfers and multi-block-4 I'm gettting really crappy performance.. vnode:{76}~ % iozone 160 32000 ... IOZONE performance measurements: 2237052 bytes/second for writing the file 2264181 bytes/second for reading the file Now that is horrible. :-) Same results with block-size of 8K. I think I'll try without the flag option at all and see how it performs. Any recomendations appreciated, -Mark P.S. The drive is a Quantum Fireball SE 4.3GB, FWIW. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The problem is how do you build tools that understand your programs at a deeper semantic level." - James Gosling To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 18 01:09:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA21786 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 01:09:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA21766; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 08:09:45 GMT (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08148; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:09:36 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199804180809.KAA08148@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: best wdc0 flags ? In-Reply-To: <19980418023307.34709@vmunix.com> from Mark Mayo at "Apr 18, 98 02:33:07 am" To: mark@vmunix.com (Mark Mayo) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:09:36 +0200 (MEST) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In reply to Mark Mayo who wrote: > Hi. I just put a shiney new IDE (Ultra33) drive in a machine, and > I'm wondering what the best flags to use for the drive are.. I realize > that I can't get DMA on -STABLE (cvsupping right now), but with the > default LINT flags of: > > controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 flags 0x00ff8004 .. > which turns on 32-bit transfers and multi-block-4 > > I'm gettting really crappy performance.. > > vnode:{76}~ % iozone 160 32000 > ... > IOZONE performance measurements: > 2237052 bytes/second for writing the file > 2264181 bytes/second for reading the file > > Now that is horrible. :-) Same results with block-size of 8K. > I think I'll try without the flag option at all and see how it performs. Hmm, you should see about 9M/s from a drive like this.. I havn't run 2.2.x for ages but I've made two NFS servers with 4 of those exact disks using -current, and it gets ~9M/s, so the facts are there... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 18 03:54:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA10313 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 03:54:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA10307 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:54:34 GMT (envelope-from jose@dial.pipex.com) Received: (qmail 12626 invoked from network); 18 Apr 1998 10:54:18 -0000 Received: from ad235.du.pipex.com (HELO lost.dial.pipex.com) (193.130.243.235) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 1998 10:54:18 -0000 Received: from localhost (jose@localhost) by lost.dial.pipex.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA08689 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:46:48 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jose@dial.pipex.com) X-Authentication-Warning: lost.dial.pipex.com: jose owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:46:47 +0100 (BST) From: Jose Marques To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Build question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I currently have a single "master" machine on which I run CVSup to follow "FreeBSD-stable". I use this master machine to update a number of "client" machines on which I do not run CVSup or maintain source. I have followed the instructions in the handbook on how to do this and it works quite well apart from one problem. I find that in order to run "make installworld" on the client PCs I need to exporte the "/usr/obj/" and "/usr/src" filesystems on the master read/write with "-maproot=root:wheel". If I don't I get build errors. Is this the best I can do or am I missing something obvious. Can I build my client machines with read-only access to the required filesystems. -- Jose Marques To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 18 04:13:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA13943 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 04:13:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13926 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:13:16 GMT (envelope-from cwsung@Sung.org) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA06353 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 04:13:16 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199804181113.EAA06353@smtp04.primenet.com> Received: from ip-65-124.sck.primenet.com(207.218.65.124), claiming to be "Win95.Sung.org" via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd006349; Sat Apr 18 04:13:14 1998 X-Sender: root@90.0.0.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 04:13:11 -0700 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Christian Sung Subject: FreeBSD Support for Dual-CPU Architecture? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Does FreeBSD 2.2.6 support dual-CPU configurations (e.g., TYAN TOMCAT IV motherboard with 2 Pentium 233 MHz CPUs), and if not, is multiple CPU support planned for future releases? -christian Christian W. Sung IS Management Consultant Senior UNIX Consultant Ph. 1-800-COM-UNIX E-mail : cwsung@Sung.org Website: www.Sung.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 18 06:57:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12745 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 06:57:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from insomnia.norden1.com (insomnia.norden1.com [192.153.35.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12740 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:57:09 GMT (envelope-from jmutter@insomnia.norden1.com) Received: from localhost (jmutter@localhost) by insomnia.norden1.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA08580; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:00:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jmutter@insomnia.norden1.com) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:00:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "James < Now in a new fresh minty flavor > Mutter" To: Christian Sung cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Support for Dual-CPU Architecture? In-Reply-To: <199804181113.EAA06353@smtp04.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Does FreeBSD 2.2.6 support dual-CPU configurations (e.g., TYAN TOMCAT IV > motherboard with 2 Pentium 233 MHz CPUs), and if not, is multiple CPU > support planned for future releases? > > -christian 2.2.X does not support SMP - It is however implemented in 3.X. Note however that 3.X is a development release and not considered stable. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 18 07:57:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA21273 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 07:57:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obsidian.noc.dfn.de (obsidian.noc.dfn.de [193.174.247.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21264 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 14:57:15 GMT (envelope-from schweikh@obsidian.noc.dfn.de) Received: (from schweikh@localhost) by obsidian.noc.dfn.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA12277 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:57:10 +0200 (MET DST) From: Jens Schweikhardt Message-Id: <199804181457.QAA12277@obsidian.noc.dfn.de> Subject: option NFS -- why would I want it? To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:57:10 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk hello, world\n just out of curiosity: when I compile a kernel with option NFS the size increases by 250k (on an i486, 2.2.5R): -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 886718 Apr 16 14:25 kernel -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1125987 Apr 16 13:14 kernel+NFS However, even without option NFS in the kernel, I can use all NFS stuff, like mounting nfs file systems, use the automounter and so on. The machine works both as nfs server and client. I do think that 'option NFS' is there for a reason. The only reason I can think of right now is that I need nfs in the kernel if the machine is diskless. Is there another catch? Regards, -- Jens Schweikhardt http://www.shuttle.de/schweikh/ SIGSIG -- signature too long (core dumped) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 18 08:15:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23909 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 08:15:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uranus.planet-three.com (homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23901 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:15:14 GMT (envelope-from scot@poptart.org) Received: from Jupiter.planet-three.com (jupiter.planet-three.com [195.171.203.100]) by uranus.planet-three.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA23506; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:15:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by Jupiter.planet-three.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA10570; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:15:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from scot@planet-three.com) X-Authentication-Warning: Jupiter.planet-three.com: scot owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:15:11 +0100 (BST) From: Scot Elliott To: Jens Schweikhardt cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: option NFS -- why would I want it? In-Reply-To: <199804181457.QAA12277@obsidian.noc.dfn.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk The kernel loads the NFS module the first time you use an NFS mount etc. Try the modstat command and it should show up. You might prefer to do this if you don't use NFS very often I suppose. I think compiling it into the kernel is probably prefered for security reasons... is someone manages to change an LKM you're in trouble. But changing the kernel needs a whole reboot, which you'd notice (I hope). Scot. On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Jens Schweikhardt wrote: > Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:57:10 +0200 (MET DST) > From: Jens Schweikhardt > To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: option NFS -- why would I want it? > > > hello, world\n > > just out of curiosity: when I compile a kernel with option NFS the > size increases by 250k (on an i486, 2.2.5R): > > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 886718 Apr 16 14:25 kernel > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1125987 Apr 16 13:14 kernel+NFS > > However, even without option NFS in the kernel, I can use all > NFS stuff, like mounting nfs file systems, use the automounter > and so on. The machine works both as nfs server and client. > > I do think that 'option NFS' is there for a reason. The only reason > I can think of right now is that I need nfs in the kernel if the > machine is diskless. Is there another catch? > > Regards, > > -- > Jens Schweikhardt http://www.shuttle.de/schweikh/ > SIGSIG -- signature too long (core dumped) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott (scot@poptart.org) | Work: +44 (0)171 7046777 PGP fingerprint: FCAE9ED3A234FEB59F8C7F9DDD112D | Home: +44 (0)181 8961019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 18 08:22:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA25313 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 08:22:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kersur.net (root@mail.kersur.net [199.79.199.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25279 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:22:11 GMT (envelope-from dswartz@druber.com) Received: from manticore (manticore.druber.com [207.180.95.108]) by mail.kersur.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA10821; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980418112159.00929940@mail.kersur.net> X-Sender: druber@mail.kersur.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:21:59 -0400 To: Jens Schweikhardt From: Dan Swartzendruber Subject: Re: option NFS -- why would I want it? Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199804181457.QAA12277@obsidian.noc.dfn.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 04:57 PM 4/18/98 +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote: > >hello, world\n > >just out of curiosity: when I compile a kernel with option NFS the >size increases by 250k (on an i486, 2.2.5R): > >-r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 886718 Apr 16 14:25 kernel >-r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1125987 Apr 16 13:14 kernel+NFS > >However, even without option NFS in the kernel, I can use all >NFS stuff, like mounting nfs file systems, use the automounter >and so on. The machine works both as nfs server and client. > >I do think that 'option NFS' is there for a reason. The only reason >I can think of right now is that I need nfs in the kernel if the >machine is diskless. Is there another catch? Not that I know of. You are binding NFS into the kernel. If you don't do this, any NFS operations will load the LKM for NFS transparently, so as far I know, there's no compelling reason except diskless operation. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 18 08:53:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA00464 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 08:53:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from circus.tlh.org (tlh.dial.idiom.com [209.157.72.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00450 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:53:14 GMT (envelope-from john@tlh.org) Received: (from john@localhost) by circus.tlh.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA10533; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 08:52:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 08:52:55 -0700 (PDT) From: John Fox Message-Id: <199804181552.IAA10533@circus.tlh.org> To: schweikh@noc.dfn.de Subject: Re: option NFS -- why would I want it? Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > >However, even without option NFS in the kernel, I can use all >NFS stuff, like mounting nfs file systems, use the automounter >and so on. The machine works both as nfs server and client. > >I do think that 'option NFS' is there for a reason. The only reason >I can think of right now is that I need nfs in the kernel if the >machine is diskless. Is there another catch? > I don't think the automounter loads NFS itself. So if you want to use the automounter but not export anything yourself (and not run nfsd and mountd) you have to build NFS support into the kernel or manually load it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 18 09:48:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15703 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 09:48:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles306.castles.com [208.214.167.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA15635; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:48:26 GMT (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04953; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 09:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804181645.JAA04953@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Mark Mayo cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: best wdc0 flags ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Apr 1998 02:33:07 EDT." <19980418023307.34709@vmunix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 09:45:53 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Hi. I just put a shiney new IDE (Ultra33) drive in a machine, and > I'm wondering what the best flags to use for the drive are.. I realize > that I can't get DMA on -STABLE (cvsupping right now), but with the > default LINT flags of: > > controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 flags 0x00ff8004 .. > which turns on 32-bit transfers and multi-block-4 I'd generally use 0x80ff80ff and let the autodetection code sort it out - in fact, I haven't run into a drive/controller combination yet that doesn't get that right. (Not saying they don't exist, just that the vast majority of hardware works as desired). > I'm gettting really crappy performance.. > > vnode:{76}~ % iozone 160 32000 > .... > IOZONE performance measurements: > 2237052 bytes/second for writing the file > 2264181 bytes/second for reading the file > > Now that is horrible. :-) Same results with block-size of 8K. > I think I'll try without the flag option at all and see how it performs. > > Any recomendations appreciated, > -Mark > > P.S. The drive is a Quantum Fireball SE 4.3GB, FWIW. We've been duplicating 3GB Western Digital disks the last few days under 2.2.6, flags 0x80ff80ff on 166MHz P5/430TX boards, and averaging about 5M/sec throughput. Try 'dd if=/dev/wd1 of=/dev/null bs=1m' to get an idea of your raw disk speed as opposed to filesystem throughput. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 18 13:21:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21755 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:21:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost.ca (root@dial113.bc1.com [207.34.139.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA21717; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:21:30 GMT (envelope-from jake@localhost.ca.freebsd.org) Received: from localhost.ca (jake@localhost.ca [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00837; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:25:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jake@localhost.ca) Message-Id: <199804182025.NAA00837@localhost.ca> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: best wdc0 flags ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Apr 1998 09:45:53 PDT." <199804181645.JAA04953@antipodes.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:25:19 -0700 From: Jake Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I'd generally use 0x80ff80ff and let the autodetection code sort it out I get IOZONE performance measurements: 5144042 bytes/second for writing the file 5756362 bytes/second for reading the file with this flag on a Western Digital AC22500. It increased the dd if=/dev/wd0 of=/dev/null throughput from ~3 mb/s with no flags to ~4 mb/s. -- http://www.checker.org/~jake To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 18 13:42:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25593 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:42:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA25471; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:42:33 GMT (envelope-from mark@vnode.vmunix.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00418; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:43:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mark) Message-ID: <19980418164331.08912@vmunix.com> Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:43:31 -0400 From: Mark Mayo To: Mike Smith Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: best wdc0 flags ? References: <19980418023307.34709@vmunix.com> <199804181645.JAA04953@antipodes.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199804181645.JAA04953@antipodes.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Sat, Apr 18, 1998 at 09:45:53AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sat, Apr 18, 1998 at 09:45:53AM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > Hi. I just put a shiney new IDE (Ultra33) drive in a machine, and > > I'm wondering what the best flags to use for the drive are.. I realize > > that I can't get DMA on -STABLE (cvsupping right now), but with the > > default LINT flags of: [SNIP] > We've been duplicating 3GB Western Digital disks the last few days under > 2.2.6, flags 0x80ff80ff on 166MHz P5/430TX boards, and averaging about > 5M/sec throughput. Try 'dd if=/dev/wd1 of=/dev/null bs=1m' to get an > idea of your raw disk speed as opposed to filesystem throughput. First, relavent dmesg output: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE #0: Sat Apr 18 15:50:05 EDT 1998 CPU: Pentium (167.07-MHz 586-class CPU) real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) chip0 rev 1 on pci0:0:0 chip2 rev 1 on pci0:7:1 wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0x80ff80ff on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): , 32-bit, multi-block-16 wd0: 4110MB (8418816 sectors), 14848 cyls, 9 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S Now the mega-crappy performance I'm still getting: vnode:{77}~ % dd if=/dev/wd0 of=/dev/null bs=1m ^C76+0 records in 76+0 records out 79691776 bytes transferred in 36.231349 secs (2199525 bytes/sec) vnode:{83}~ % iozone 165 17000 ... IOZONE performance measurements: 2438356 bytes/second for writing the file 3048197 bytes/second for reading the file Hmmrf. I'm sure the 3.0 read was just due to caching.. (64MB of pretty much unused RAM). vnode:{86}~ % bonnie -s 200 File './Bonnie.323', size: 209715200 Writing with putc()...done Rewriting...done Writing intelligently...done Reading with getc()...done Reading intelligently...done Seeker 1...Seeker 2...Seeker 3...start 'em...done...done...done... -------Sequential Output-------- ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- Machine MB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 200 1833 36.3 2384 17.4 1168 5.3 2097 31.4 2406 6.4 73.5 4.6 Man, either this drive really sucks, or something weird is going on! :-) The motherboard is the highly recomended Abit, DIMM RAM, etc.. STREAM is still showing memory throughput over 100MB/s, so that's working fine, and the old 1GB SCSI disk in the system is still pumping out about 4MB/s with the above tests.. If anyone has any ideas why the latest greatest IDE drive from Quantum is blowing chunks all over my I/O, give me a shout! :-) -Mark > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The problem is how do you build tools that understand your programs at a deeper semantic level." - James Gosling To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 18 14:38:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04777 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 14:38:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04642 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:38:14 GMT (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from trojanhorse.pr.watson.org (trojanhorse.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.10]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA08596; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:37:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@trojanhorse.pr.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: Scot Elliott cc: Jens Schweikhardt , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: option NFS -- why would I want it? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Scot Elliott wrote: > The kernel loads the NFS module the first time you use an NFS mount etc. > Try the modstat command and it should show up. You might prefer to do > this if you don't use NFS very often I suppose. I think compiling it into > the kernel is probably prefered for security reasons... is someone manages > to change an LKM you're in trouble. But changing the kernel needs a whole > reboot, which you'd notice (I hope). The main reason I statically compile NFS in is the sysctl stats -- apparently kernel modules cannot register to provide statistics through that interface, so things like nfsstat don't work. The response to my -pr was that the lkm interface needed a re-design, so I suspect it isn't going to be fixed too soon :). With regards to the LKMs -- also, at high securelevels, you cannot install new LKMs, so if you are using a variable-securelevel installation, you either need to make sure that the LKM is installed at a low securelevel, or statically compile. Robert N Watson ---- Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ Trusted Information Systems http://www.tis.com/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 18 15:01:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10629 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:01:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA10600; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 22:00:57 GMT (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id VAA10880; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:25:58 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199804181925.VAA10880@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: best wdc0 flags ? To: mark@vmunix.com (Mark Mayo) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:25:57 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980418164331.08912@vmunix.com> from "Mark Mayo" at Apr 18, 98 04:43:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > We've been duplicating 3GB Western Digital disks the last few days under > > 2.2.6, flags 0x80ff80ff on 166MHz P5/430TX boards, and averaging about > > 5M/sec throughput. Try 'dd if=/dev/wd1 of=/dev/null bs=1m' to get an > > idea of your raw disk speed as opposed to filesystem throughput. my experience with WD (caviar) is also good , speaking of speed. Cannot say the same about reliability, since last year we had about 10-15 units die within a few months (all replaced under warranty, and havent' crashed again since then). Also in my experience, maxtors are aslow (about 3MB/s) and I am interested in this thread on the QUANTUM FIREBALL since i am (was, given the poor results ?) thinking of buying one... cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 18 15:08:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12309 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:08:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fourier.physics.purdue.edu (fourier.physics.purdue.edu [128.210.146.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12289 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 22:08:02 GMT (envelope-from jonsmith@physics.purdue.edu) Received: from localhost (jonsmith@localhost) by fourier.physics.purdue.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA08201 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:07:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:07:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Jon C. Smith" To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I upgraded from 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2.6-STABLE about 2 or three weeks ago, and I decided to upgrade X from 3.3.1 to 3.3.2 (in a vain hope that certain keyboard problems would be eliminated). I went about this by going into /usr/src/release/sysintall, doing a 'make' followed by a 'make install', going into the new sysinstall, and re selecting the distributions of X I had installed, only in the newer version. Somewhere along the line, I did a 'du' and noticed my 100 meg root partition had gone from ~24% to ~66%. Ok, so I looked in /temp. No new files there. Started poking around, I could _not_ find what file was sitting there with (at that point) about 50 megs of my drive space. Eventually, the root partition got to 104% capacity, I aborted the X windows install, and rebooted the system. Suddently, I have only ~24% of my root partition full. I am totally baffled. FYI, the keyboard problems I was trying to fix, which appear to only occur in X, on two different motherboards, are spontaneous insertion of a ' after a new line, spontaneous number insertion (single digit) when using the arro keyss, specific keys apparently delay before appearing, so the familiar "... | more" usually comes up "... | moer". Shift, control and alt staying as if they are down even after I release the character. These effects increase the longer the keyboard is in use, and has occasionally locked the keyboard completely, leaving me to _unplug the keyboard_ while the system is ON (bad idea) and re-plugging it in. Thanks, j. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 18 16:54:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29976 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:54:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c243.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA29959 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 23:54:06 GMT (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA14410; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 19:53:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) To: Dan Swartzendruber cc: Jens Schweikhardt , stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: option NFS -- why would I want it? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:21:59 EDT." <3.0.5.32.19980418112159.00929940@mail.kersur.net> Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 19:53:50 -0400 Message-ID: <14406.892943630@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Dan Swartzendruber wrote in message ID <3.0.5.32.19980418112159.00929940@mail.kersur.net>: > At 04:57 PM 4/18/98 +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote: > >I do think that 'option NFS' is there for a reason. The only reason > >I can think of right now is that I need nfs in the kernel if the > >machine is diskless. Is there another catch? > > Not that I know of. You are binding NFS into the kernel. If you don't > do this, any NFS operations will load the LKM for NFS transparently, so > as far I know, there's no compelling reason except diskless operation. You don't get stats from `nfstats' as the LKM can't add to the sysctl OID hierarchy if its demand loaded. It needs to be compiled in to the kernel in order for the NFS stats to be available. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 18 17:03:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02363 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:03:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles324.castles.com [208.214.167.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA02341; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 00:02:59 GMT (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA05960; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804182359.QAA05960@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Luigi Rizzo cc: mark@vmunix.com (Mark Mayo), mike@smith.net.au, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: best wdc0 flags ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:25:57 +0200." <199804181925.VAA10880@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:59:42 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > We've been duplicating 3GB Western Digital disks the last few days under > > > 2.2.6, flags 0x80ff80ff on 166MHz P5/430TX boards, and averaging about > > > 5M/sec throughput. Try 'dd if=/dev/wd1 of=/dev/null bs=1m' to get an > > > idea of your raw disk speed as opposed to filesystem throughput. > > my experience with WD (caviar) is also good , speaking of speed. Cannot > say the same about reliability, since last year we had about 10-15 > units die within a few months (all replaced under warranty, and havent' > crashed again since then). Likewise here. They're also less than wonderful when it comes to withstanding physical abuse. > Also in my experience, maxtors are aslow (about 3MB/s) and I am > interested in this thread on the QUANTUM FIREBALL since i am (was, > given the poor results ?) thinking of buying one... I haven't seen too much to recommend the IDE Furballs when it comes to performance. I would personally recommend you look at the IBM Deskstar units if you want both performance and reliability. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 18 17:05:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA03674 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:05:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from set.spradley.tmi.net (set.spradley.tmi.net [207.170.107.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA03636 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 00:05:38 GMT (envelope-from tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net) Received: from localhost (set.spradley.tmi.net) [127.0.0.1] by set.spradley.tmi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yQhbc-00008f-00; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 19:05:12 -0500 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Jon C. Smith" cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:07:56 CDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 19:05:11 -0500 From: Ted Spradley Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > FYI, the keyboard problems I was trying to fix, which appear to only occur > in X, on two different motherboards, are spontaneous insertion of a ' > after a new line, spontaneous number insertion (single digit) when using > the arro keyss, specific keys apparently delay before appearing, so the > familiar "... | more" usually comes up "... | moer". Shift, control and > alt staying as if they are down even after I release the character. These > effects increase the longer the keyboard is in use, and has occasionally > locked the keyboard completely, leaving me to _unplug the keyboard_ while > the system is ON (bad idea) and re-plugging it in. Your examples are typical of my typing. ;-} Really, if it's not your fingers, maybe your keyboard is just worn out. Something I read years ago described keyboards with, "they wear out like paper towels". On your other problem, is your /tmp in your root filesystem? Typically, temporary files are unlinked right after they're opened, so they won't linger around if the program aborts, and so you can't see them growing to 50M bytes before the program aborts. Make yourself a big (500M - 1G or so) swap partition, make a Memory file system, and mount that on /tmp. If you don't already have it, you'll need a kernel with "options MFS". To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 18 17:24:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07738 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:24:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles324.castles.com [208.214.167.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA07731 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 00:24:38 GMT (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA06067; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804190022.RAA06067@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Jon C. Smith" cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:07:56 CDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:22:00 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I upgraded from 2.2.5-RELEASE to 2.2.6-STABLE about 2 or three weeks ago, > and I decided to upgrade X from 3.3.1 to 3.3.2 (in a vain hope that > certain keyboard problems would be eliminated). Have you discussed these problems with the X people? The syscons people? > I went about this by > going into /usr/src/release/sysintall, doing a 'make' followed by a 'make > install', going into the new sysinstall, and re selecting the > distributions of X I had installed, only in the newer version. I'd have said it would be easier to install them manually, but YMMV. > Somewhere along the line, I did a 'du' and noticed my 100 meg root > partition had gone from ~24% to ~66%. Ok, so I looked in /temp. No new > files there. Started poking around, I could _not_ find what file was > sitting there with (at that point) about 50 megs of my drive space. > Eventually, the root partition got to 104% capacity, I aborted the X > windows install, and rebooted the system. Suddently, I have only ~24% of > my root partition full. > > I am totally baffled. It is quite common for applications to create a temporary file, then delete it while still keeping it open. The file still exists (because it's open), but it's not in a directory anywhere. When the application exits (eg. system reboot), the file is closed, and the space it occupied is freed. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 18 18:40:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19068 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 18:40:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from colossus.dyn.ml.org (dburr@206-18-112-191.la.inreach.net [206.18.112.191]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA19044; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 01:40:49 GMT (envelope-from dburr@colossus.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from dburr@localhost) by colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA02024; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 18:35:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19980418023307.34709@vmunix.com> Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 18:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Computer Help From: Donald Burr To: Mark Mayo Subject: RE: best wdc0 flags ? Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- My secret spy satellite informs me that on 18-Apr-98, Mark Mayo wrote: > Hi. I just put a shiney new IDE (Ultra33) drive in a machine, and > I'm wondering what the best flags to use for the drive are.. I realize > that I can't get DMA on -STABLE (cvsupping right now), but with the > default LINT flags of: > controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 flags 0x00ff8004 > which turns on 32-bit transfers and multi-block-4 The best combination of flags is 0x80ff, this will turn on 32-bit transfers and will do multi-block up to the maximum that is supported by the drive. > I'm gettting really crappy performance.. > > vnode:{76}~ % iozone 160 32000 > ... > IOZONE performance measurements: > 2237052 bytes/second for writing the file > 2264181 bytes/second for reading the file My results are: (using flags 0x80ff80ff): IOZONE performance measurements: 4828250 bytes/second for writing the file 5620741 bytes/second for reading the file This is on a Maxtor 4.3 GB UDMA33 (84320D4). - --- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNTlU4fjpixuAwagxAQGBrwP+No/b/QpXLcD2hHxuo2OBNXwy2hPJCqLx VzrsURMgx94MPE0SMdDM5iTsvB0KNB1olzkAr9X7FU617BvsyQCoEdzkkgrRXN3k a7eH3xbc6Bql5FI1fF2suvV46W2RjQ717/1QOWfl8C3mN/s+U24oGQw1Bs1qLEox SQYUpr/hhPs= =OYZo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 18 19:15:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA25434 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 19:15:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA25428; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 02:15:30 GMT (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA14356; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 12:12:21 +1000 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 12:12:21 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199804190212.MAA14356@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: mark@vmunix.com, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: best wdc0 flags ? Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >We've been duplicating 3GB Western Digital disks the last few days under >2.2.6, flags 0x80ff80ff on 166MHz P5/430TX boards, and averaging about >5M/sec throughput. Seems a bit slow. For a Fireball ST6.4 under -current, flags 0xa0ffa0ff (DMA...) on a K6/233/VIA2, I get 9-10M/sec for `dd if=/dev/rwd2 of=/dev/null bs=1m count=1280'. 5-6M/sec is normal for the previous generation of 5400 rpm IDE drives and for the outer tracks of this drive. >Try 'dd if=/dev/wd1 of=/dev/null bs=1m' to get an >idea of your raw disk speed as opposed to filesystem throughput. A bad idea. /dev/wd1 is not a raw disk. It is a buffered disk with a too-small block size of 2K. The effects of the buffer cache are difficult to analyze, and not very interesting because real file systems don't use a too-small block size, and clustering usually gives an effective block size of 64K or 128K for large sequential files. Read clustering seems to be unpessimizing the throughput for the 2K block size in -current, but at a huge cost: $ time dd if=/dev/rwd2 of=/dev/null bs=1m count=1280 # raw 1280+0 records in 1280+0 records out 1342177280 bytes transferred in 136.574105 secs (9827465 bytes/sec) 137.22 real 0.00 user 2.04 sys $ time dd if=/dev/wd2 of=/dev/null bs=1m count=1280 # buferred 1280+0 records in 1280+0 records out 1342177280 bytes transferred in 136.127378 secs (9859716 bytes/sec) 136.78 real 0.02 user 116.84 sys ^^^^^^^^^^ huge cost A slightly slower CPU would not be able to keep up with the disk. DMA only helps in this benchmark by freeing up some CPU cycles. PIO at 16.6M/sec would consume over half the CPU cycles, so the same CPU would not be able to keep up if the disk were in non-DMA mode. The cost for a too-small block size on the raw device is large but not huge: $ time dd if=/dev/wd2 of=/dev/null bs=2k count=1280 # raw, pessimized 655360+0 records in 655360+0 records out 1342177280 bytes transferred in 136.931865 secs (9801789 bytes/sec) 136.99 real 2.19 user 46.39 sys Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message