From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jan 3 02:14:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA05362 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 02:14:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA05357; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 02:14:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.56.52]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA2873; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 11:13:55 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 11:21:05 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Steven Ji Subject: RE: snotty quotes Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 03-Jan-99 Steven Ji wrote: > I recently found this alleged Linus Torvalds quote on someone's sig, while > reading through a Linux mailing list archive. > > 'Ooohh.. "FreeBSD is faster over loopback, when compared to > Linux over the wire". Film at 11.' -Linus > > Does anybody know whether it's real? This statement is from the days the 2.0 wasn't even in the planning stages yet. I think this is a quote from back in the days he was still in Finland. That's roughly 5 years ago or so... > I've rarely heard such ludicrous comparisons... certainly never from any > official source or core member. Nor does the quote jive with what I know > about Linus himself. Ehm, it's his quote alright. It was one of the things he used to say when announcing new kernels and such... > In any case, this is the kind of wasted breath that causes tension between > the Linux and BSD communities, where there should instead be more healthy > exchange -- as there has been. Just about any UNIX-like OS has its place, > big or small, IMHO. Is this not the popular opinion? >From the BSD's mayhaps... IMHO Linux has it's share of 'l33t users. It also has good people offcourse =) --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Life is the only Pain asmodai(at)wxs.nl we endeavour... Network/Security Specialist BSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 4 12:00:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA26523 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:00:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (mail1.its.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26518 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:00:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA78576; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:01:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: drosih@pop1.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:59:37 -0500 To: Steven Ji , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: snotty quotes Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 2:00 AM -0500 1/3/99, Steven Ji wrote: > I recently found this alleged Linus Torvalds quote on someone's sig, > while reading through a Linux mailing list archive. > > 'Ooohh.. "FreeBSD is faster over loopback, when compared to > Linux over the wire". Film at 11.' -Linus > > Does anybody know whether it's real? Who cares? I mean seriously, why would I care? How would the answer to that question help me to advocate freebsd? > In any case, this is the kind of wasted breath that causes tension > between the Linux and BSD communities, where there should instead > be more healthy exchange -- as there has been. And what exactly does your message accomplish, other than pontificating on some issue? yes, I like apple pie too, but I don't announce it to freebsd-advocacy every so often. What would you have us to do, as people interested in advocating FreeBSD? Should we go beat up this person who dared to have that quote in his sig? Was that quote included by someone advocating FreeBSD? If not, then why bitch about it here? Yes, it gives you a good feeling to preach to the choir, but it's odd for you to complain about wasted bandwidth in a message which sees utterly pointless (and cross- posted to multiple freebsd lists, to make matters even more ludicrous). So, sure, fire up the troops by repeating 'snotty quotes' that you found in some *archive* of a linux mailing list, and then talk about awful it is that others are "causing tension" between linux and BSD communities. This does not strike me as very productive. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 4 12:20:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28931 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:20:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ouch.Oof.NET (ouch.Oof.NET [208.212.72.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28926 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:20:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jsteve@research.poc.net) Received: from localhost (sdj@localhost) by ouch.Oof.NET (POC/Oof) with ESMTP id PAA18727; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:20:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:20:23 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Ji To: Garance A Drosihn , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: snotty quotes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Who cares? I mean seriously, why would I care? How would the answer to > that question help me to advocate freebsd? I just thought I'd question the validity of the quote. Knowing what people are saying is part of advocating FreeBSD -- no? Obviously, since you wrote a 191-word reply, you care a whole lot more than I do. cheers, sdj > Who cares? I mean seriously, why would I care? How would the answer to > that question help me to advocate freebsd? > > And what exactly does your message accomplish, other than pontificating > on some issue? yes, I like apple pie too, but I don't announce it to > freebsd-advocacy every so often. What would you have us to do, as people > interested in advocating FreeBSD? Should we go beat up this person who > dared to have that quote in his sig? Was that quote included by someone > advocating FreeBSD? If not, then why bitch about it here? Yes, it gives > you a good feeling to preach to the choir, but it's odd for you to complain > about wasted bandwidth in a message which sees utterly pointless (and cross- > posted to multiple freebsd lists, to make matters even more ludicrous). > > So, sure, fire up the troops by repeating 'snotty quotes' that you found > in some *archive* of a linux mailing list, and then talk about awful it > is that others are "causing tension" between linux and BSD communities. > This does not strike me as very productive. > > --- > Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu > Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 5 15:46:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03313 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:46:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03273; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:46:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA78885; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:45:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Steven Ji Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: snotty quotes References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 06 Jan 1999 00:45:33 +0100 In-Reply-To: Steven Ji's message of "Sun, 3 Jan 1999 02:00:22 -0500 (EST)" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steven Ji writes: > I recently found this alleged Linus Torvalds quote on someone's sig, while > reading through a Linux mailing list archive. > > 'Ooohh.. "FreeBSD is faster over loopback, when compared to > Linux over the wire". Film at 11.' -Linus I don't see the problem with that quote. As I read it, Linus is dismissing someone who's made an inappropriate comparison of FreeBSD and Linux - of *course* FreeBSD is faster over the loopback than Linux over the wire - but the comparison is meaningless, so Linus is making fun of it. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 5 19:37:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA04518 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:37:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA04513 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:37:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gummibear@we.mediaone.net) From: gummibear@we.mediaone.net Received: from ale (we-24-130-60-145.we.mediaone.net [24.130.60.145]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA18309 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:36:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990105194407.0069b4f4@we.mediaone.net> X-Sender: gummibear@we.mediaone.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 19:44:07 -0800 To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Commercial FreeBSD for the Corporate Realm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hey all! I went to Fry's Electronics the other day to get a video capture card and cam to take some vids of my 8 month old son and stuff. There I found tons and tons of boxes of different Red Hat Linux packages. One was deamed as the "Red Hat Linux Server" edition, and the others were named something else that I can't remember right now. Anyways, they were all nicely boxed with neat screenshots and stuff like that. Basically, they looked good enough for passing as real commercial software. Somthing that corporate suits would be interested in perhaps. It just really bummed me out because I haven't seen FreeBSD promoted and packaged in the same manner. :( Is there something that we can do about this? Joey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 7 06:47:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24738 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:47:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thor.inlink.com (thor.inlink.com [206.196.96.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24607 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:47:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rayseals@midwestis.com) Received: from sparc.midwestis.com (sparc.midwestis.com [206.196.126.220]) by thor.inlink.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17920 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:46:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from rseals ([209.135.156.208] (may be forged)) by sparc.midwestis.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA07097 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:46:51 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: From: "Ray Seals" To: "Freebsd-Advocacy" Subject: this ran through my head yesterday... Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:46:48 -0600 Message-ID: <000301be3a4c$8df19d60$8301000a@rseals.midwestis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG A guy that I work with/for at my current consulting gig is a Microsoft zealot. I've known him for a long time and I consider him a friend. He likes to run up to me and tell me all the cool things that are coming out for NT. I can reply about 90% of the time "Oh yeah, BSD has had that for a while....and it's free". I started thinking about the Microsoft Management/Admin mind set. It's basically that there is nothing out there any better than MS products. So here is just a little thought to maybe spark some creative juices... Kind of a slogan thing FreeBSD - Free Your Mind Ray ---------------------------------------- Midwest Information Systems http://www.midwestis.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Ray Seals Systems Consultant rayseals@midwestis.com Direct Dial: 314.930.0479 Office: 314.423.8377 ext. 113 Fax: 314.423.3944 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Providing clear vision to the future" ---------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 7 06:58:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA25758 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:58:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Pegasus.cc.ucf.edu [132.170.240.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25749 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:58:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ewayte@mail.ucf.edu) Received: from mail.ucf.edu ([132.170.243.150]:2968 "HELO mail.ucf.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE") by pegasus.cc.ucf.edu with SMTP id <5912-16723>; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:54:53 -0500 Received: from ucf-mc-Message_Server by mail.ucf.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 09:57:02 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 09:56:43 -0500 From: "Eric Wayte" To: Subject: SunWorld article by Greg Lehey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just thought I'd point everyone over to SunWorld - Greg Lehey has an excellent article in the January issue entitled "The return of BSD." Worth reading and sharing with those not familiar with FreeBSD. http://www.sunworld.com/swol-01-1999/swol-01-bsd.html Eric Wayte Database Administrator University of Central Florida ewayte@mail.ucf.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 7 09:33:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA11467 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:33:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from osprey.grizzly.com (osprey.grizzly.com [209.133.20.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11456 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:33:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from markd@Grizzly.COM) Received: (from markd@localhost) by osprey.grizzly.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id JAA07416; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:33:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:33:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901071733.JAA07416@osprey.grizzly.com> X-Authentication-Warning: osprey.grizzly.com: markd set sender to markd@grizzly.com using -f From: Mark Diekhans To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: San Jose Mercury New article on the growth of linux.. Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG http://www.mercurycenter.com/breaking/docs/082893.htm I found this quote relevant to FreeBSD: That same attitude helps explain why Torvalds is so eager to counterbalance Microsoft's dominance. He wants computer users to have a choice among several operating systems, not just one from Microsoft. ``I'm not rabid anti-Microsoft,'' he says. ``But they make it so hard to compete.'' 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