From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 8 13:25: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FF6153BC for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 13:24:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost (billf@localhost) by jade.chc-chimes.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA06839; Sat, 8 May 1999 16:25:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 16:25:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: eagle Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy web pages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 8 May 1999, eagle wrote: > I was waiting for somebody else to respond to this, the main reason that > the advocacy site is not included in the main repository, Is that the > design goals of the site, tend to break the concept of mirrors. What magic does this site do that would wreck the possibility of mirrors? > Though internely we use cvs to maintain our files. Which does nothing for committers, internal tracking, or our publically available commitlogs. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 8 16: 3:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from genisis.istar.ca (ip227.kingston.dialup.canada.psi.net [154.5.64.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC9B414D71 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 16:03:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from genisis@istar.ca) Received: from localhost (genisis@localhost) by genisis.istar.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22945; Sat, 8 May 1999 18:47:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from genisis@istar.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: genisis.istar.ca: genisis owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 18:47:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Dru To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: desktop, was linus on BSD In-Reply-To: <41922.926049456@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 6 May 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > I was more than willing to fight a two-front war for the > server and the desktop, but I also became rapidly disillusioned of > this when the guys who were supposed to be fighting for the desktop > never showed up. > > I should not have been particularly surprised at this, I suppose, > given that since this project's inception, it's been driven by user > demand and our users have, by and large, come from ISP and "old Unix > guard" demographics. Our users have been people who's primary > interest lies in FreeBSD machines sitting in server rooms and > essentially doing network-based rather than desktop-based services. > > Seeking to change this, we've had desktop contests, we've had logo > competitions, we've done all sorts of things to try and interest > people in desktop-shaped things but, with a few notable exceptions > (the bt848 folks, Luigi, etc), we just haven't been very successful at > it. At some point you simply have to declare a losing strategy for > what it is and that's what I was eventually forced to do with the > desktop; I didn't start out with that opinion, it was simply one > forced on me by pragmatism. > > That said, I can still see this changing as more and more people start > getting more involved at a technical level (seeing someone actively > working on adding MIDI support to our current sound driver was, for > example, a very encouraging development) and that's essentially what > it's going to take. Being credible on the desktop has never been > something held up by marketing, believe it or not, since you first > have to have something, anything, to market before you can start that > phase and we've never gotten that far with FreeBSD on the desktop. > > Do I see people out there who are finally willing to *do the work* of > making FreeBSD a credible desktop solution or do I simply see the > usual array of faces wondering when it's going to happen by sheer > magic? :-) Please don't shoot me for my newbie enthusiasm, but I've personally never encountered negativity regarding FreeBSD's desktop. I've found at the grassroots level, preferably with those who've never even heard of BSD, if you show them how to install and configure their systems, Windows and Linux soon go out the Window (excuse the pun). Windows because BSD does not crash, need to be rebooted every 15 minutes, and does not eat up valuable resources to accomplish a simple task. Linux because it is so hard to secure (nmap is always an eye opener) and the fact that Freebsd ports are so disgustingly easy to install; no RPMs (I think that's the 3 letter acronym that causes Linuxites to rip out their hair in handfuls) to coax into working. People who have never had an intimate relationship with an OS soon fall in love with and speak glowingly about FreeBSD. Once their desktops are happy, show them the advocacy sites and the bigwigs running FreeBSD, and they're hooked for life. We can all do our part at the grassroots level; seems to have worked out for Mr. Torvalds. We should also come up with a certification program for FreeBSD Administrators; those who know how to configure and push powerful and nicelooking desktops. Just my 2 cents worth. Dru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 8 18: 6:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB6914D06 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 18:06:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA09541; Sun, 9 May 1999 10:36:37 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id KAA17813; Sun, 9 May 1999 10:36:21 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 10:36:20 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: "Jan B. Koum " Cc: Rahul Siddharthan , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ken Thompson clarifies to ESR Message-ID: <19990509103620.Q68170@freebie.lemis.com> References: <19990508032355.F13770@best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990508032355.F13770@best.com>; from Jan B. Koum on Sat, May 08, 1999 at 03:23:55AM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Saturday, 8 May 1999 at 3:23:55 -0700, Jan B. Koum wrote: > On Sat, May 08, 1999 at 02:20:19PM +0530, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: >> http://linuxtoday.com/stories/5722.html >> >> "i think the open software movement (and linux in particular) >> is laudable." >> >> "... it is naive to think that linux has a hope of making a dent >> against microsoft starting from way behind with a fraction of the >> resources and amateur labor. (i feel the same about unix.)" >> >> "...the linux community is a lot nicer than the unix community. >> a negative comment on unix would warrant death threats. with >> linux, it is like stirring up a nest of butterflies." > > Ken Thompson is awesome -- he is now in my .sig also ;) The > coolest part: linux folks can't really argue with Thompson since he > is _THE UNIX_ himself ;) What would he have said about FreeBSD? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 8 18:59:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from blues.ghis.net (slwag2p15.ozemail.com.au [203.108.157.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC1814DA8 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 18:59:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@blues.ghis.net) Received: (from jim@localhost) by blues.ghis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12357; Sun, 9 May 1999 11:57:37 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 11:57:36 +1000 From: Jim Mock To: Bill Fumerola Cc: eagle , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy web pages Message-ID: <19990509115736.D12236@blues.ghis.net> Reply-To: jim@blues.ghis.net References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 08 May 1999 at 16:25:17 -0400, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Sat, 8 May 1999, eagle wrote: > > I was waiting for somebody else to respond to this, the main > > reason that the advocacy site is not included in the main > > repository, Is that the design goals of the site, tend to break > > the concept of mirrors. > > What magic does this site do that would wreck the possibility of > mirrors? Well, once the backend is finished, alot of the HTML (the gallery, the user groups list, etc.) will be generated on-the-fly by various scripts, etc., from a database. I don't know how many people would want to have postgres installed along w/apache-php3 to mirror the FreeBSD site if it was part of the main cvs tree. -- Jim Mock System Administrator jim@blues.ghis.net ,-._|\ FreeBSD work: Global Hosting Inet Svcs http://www.ghis.net/ / \ The personal: http://www.ghis.net/~jim/ \_,--._/ Power To The FreeBSD 'zine http://www.freebsdzine.org/ v Serve! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 8 19:36: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.thuntek.net (srv1.thuntek.net [206.206.98.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA0814FF8 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 19:36:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-020.thuntek.net [207.66.52.20]) by srv1.thuntek.net (8.9.1/8.6.12TNT1.0) with ESMTP id UAA20068; Sat, 8 May 1999 20:34:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3734F39C.3D505895@thuntek.net> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 20:31:56 -0600 From: Donald Wilde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jim@blues.ghis.net Cc: Bill Fumerola , eagle , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy web pages References: <19990509115736.D12236@blues.ghis.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jim Mock wrote: > > On Sat, 08 May 1999 at 16:25:17 -0400, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > On Sat, 8 May 1999, eagle wrote: > > > I was waiting for somebody else to respond to this, the main > > > reason that the advocacy site is not included in the main > > > repository, Is that the design goals of the site, tend to break > > > the concept of mirrors. > > > > What magic does this site do that would wreck the possibility of > > mirrors? > > Well, once the backend is finished, alot of the HTML (the gallery, the > user groups list, etc.) will be generated on-the-fly by various > scripts, etc., from a database. I don't know how many people would > want to have postgres installed along w/apache-php3 to mirror the > FreeBSD site if it was part of the main cvs tree. > Actually, I was told by Jordan that it __would__ be part of the main tree, even though it's mounted on a dub-domain. Nothing I am planning on doing in the HTML portion will be un-mirrorable. In fact, that's the main reason for the e-mailer script, so only a minimal amount of CGI has to be mirrored with the script. Jordan? -- Don Wilde "Bringing the Internet to everyone!" Wilde Media 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd. SE #117 voice: 505-771-0709 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 e-mail: dwilde1@thuntek.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 8 20:22:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (unknown [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF2114FAB for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 20:22:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (homer.softweyr.com [204.68.178.39]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA17966; Sat, 8 May 1999 21:22:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <3734FF6B.6A737C3A@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 21:22:19 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dru Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: desktop, was linus on BSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dru wrote: > > On Thu, 6 May 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > > Do I see people out there who are finally willing to *do the work* of > > making FreeBSD a credible desktop solution or do I simply see the > > usual array of faces wondering when it's going to happen by sheer > > magic? :-) > > Please don't shoot me for my newbie enthusiasm, but I've personally never > encountered negativity regarding FreeBSD's desktop. I've found at the > grassroots level, preferably with those who've never even heard of BSD, if > you show them how to install and configure their systems, Windows and > Linux soon go out the Window (excuse the pun). Windows because BSD does > not crash, need to be rebooted every 15 minutes, and does not eat up > valuable resources to accomplish a simple task. Linux because it is so > hard to secure (nmap is always an eye opener) and the fact that Freebsd > ports are so disgustingly easy to install; no RPMs (I think that's the 3 > letter acronym that causes Linuxites to rip out their hair in handfuls) to > coax into working. > > People who have never had an intimate relationship with an OS soon fall in > love with and speak glowingly about FreeBSD. Once their desktops are > happy, show them the advocacy sites and the bigwigs running FreeBSD, and > they're hooked for life. I think one of the big differentiators between "desktop" users of FreeBSD and Linux is that many FreeBSD users never wanted a damned PC in the first place. FreeBSD makes a pretty crufty PC, but a fine UNIX workstation. For those looking for a workstation, installing XFree86 and {window manager of choice, WindowMaker for me} makes workstation enough, especially so now that one or two competent word processors and at least one usable spreadsheet are available for the typical "productivity" applications. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 8 20:29: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (unknown [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80901570A for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 20:29:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (homer.softweyr.com [204.68.178.39]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA17975; Sat, 8 May 1999 21:23:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <3734FFC3.EC48315A@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 21:23:47 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: "Jan B. Koum" , Rahul Siddharthan , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ken Thompson clarifies to ESR References: <19990508032355.F13770@best.com> <19990509103620.Q68170@freebie.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > > On Saturday, 8 May 1999 at 3:23:55 -0700, Jan B. Koum wrote: > > > > Ken Thompson is awesome -- he is now in my .sig also ;) The > > coolest part: linux folks can't really argue with Thompson since he > > is _THE UNIX_ himself ;) > > What would he have said about FreeBSD? It's about as UNIX as UNIX gets these days? (For better or worse.) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 8 20:52:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from uumail-relay-blr.ernet.in (uumail-relay-blr.ernet.in [202.141.1.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8079E1571B for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 20:50:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in) Received: from iisc.ernet.in (iisc.ernet.in [144.16.64.3]) by uumail-relay-blr.ernet.in (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA24887; Sun, 9 May 1999 09:13:56 +0530 Received: from physics.iisc.ernet.in by iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id JAA24411; Sun, 9 May 1999 09:05:25 +0530 (GMT+0530) Received: from theory6.physics.iisc.ernet.in by physics.iisc.ernet.in (ERNET-IISc/SMI-4.1) id DAA26918; Sun, 9 May 1999 03:39:58 GMT Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 09:07:46 +0530 (IST) From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Wes Peters Cc: Dru , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: desktop, was linus on BSD In-Reply-To: <3734FF6B.6A737C3A@softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I think one of the big differentiators between "desktop" users of > FreeBSD and Linux is that many FreeBSD users never wanted a damned PC > in the first place. FreeBSD makes a pretty crufty PC, but a fine UNIX > workstation. For those looking for a workstation, installing XFree86 > and {window manager of choice, WindowMaker for me} makes workstation > enough, especially so now that one or two competent word processors > and at least one usable spreadsheet are available for the typical > "productivity" applications. Who talked about a damned PC. The talk was on desktops, and a workstation (with Windowmaker, or whatever) *is* a desktop. In academia, at least, a lot of users like to get their work done on workstations without wanting to learn how to install everything themselves. They're not unix gurus but they can compile fortran/C programs, run matlab/octave/latex, check mail, etc from the command line and that's all they want to do. FreeBSD is fine for them if someone else sets up the system first. It would be even better if an easy-to-set-up desktop distro was rolled out. Desktop != PC. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 8 20:55:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from theory6.physics.iisc.ernet.in (theory6.physics.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.71.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119471571B for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 20:54:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 09:21:20 +0530 (IST) From: Rahul Siddharthan To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: osopinion article Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG http://www.osopinion.com/Opinions/GaneshCPrasad/GaneshCPrasad2.html An article titled "The practical manager's guide to linux". Exactly the kind of advocacy someone should write for FreeBSD. I sent the author, Ganesh Prasad, the mail appended below, and received the reply quoted below that. Then I got thinking: Why the heck am I doing this? Why, in particular, would I want to be part of a mailing list of people whose only purpose in life seems to be to badmouth another operating system? People who want to say ``linux users are dorks'' ten times for every time they say a single good thing about their *own* OS? I had no answers. So, I unsubscribe. But for those few who may be interested, here is my correspondence with Ganesh Prasad. -------------------------------------------------------------- My mail to Ganesh: Dear Ganesh, I read with interest your article "The Practical Manager's Guide to Linux", and being a heavy linux user, liked it very much even though it's not likely to be very useful to me, being from the academic world. But I was intrigued by this sentence which concludes the review of competing systems in the "performance" section: "With the new kernel (version 2.2), it has reportedly even drawn level with the ultrafast FreeBSD." Given that you conclude with this sentence, you evidently have a high opinion of FreeBSD, as I do too, having given it a spin for the last two or three months. The only other mention I find, again favourable, is in the "security" section. My feeling is that FreeBSD deserved a little more space. Apart from its being a very good OS, and very likely to appeal to anyone who is fond of unix, it also supports your argument that free software can be reliable: its customer list contains some real heavyweights, including hotmail whom you mention in connection with Apache. It also has many of the other advantages of linux, and some of its own. The difficult thing is to persuade people that free software is reliable, and FreeBSD can be a big help here: after that step is made, selling linux would be much easier. It is true that the FreeBSD community should do its own advocacy, but the linux world should also stop pretending that linux is the only reliable free OS. Linux people seem reluctant to say anything, good or bad, about FreeBSD. It may be because some of them feel insecure that FreeBSD is really the better system, but if you feel that linux 2.2 may have "drawn level", you shouldn't have that problem :-) As Red Hat's Bob Young says when people ask him whether he's worried about competing linux distributions, the competition is really with the mainstream OS's, and the pie is big enough for everyone. Linux's installed base is getting large, but the base of other OS's is many times larger still. I think there's plenty of room in the world for both linux and FreeBSD... Regards Rahul Siddharthan. Extract from reply from Ganesh: Thank you for your letter. I have never used FreeBSD, and have met only one person who has. Most of what I know about FreeBSD is what I read on the Internet, since it rarely appears in the print media. That is a real pity. I'm sure it is a very good OS, too. So the reason for my not giving FreeBSD more space in my article was plain ignorance. I'm sure that's why most Linux people are ambivalent towards it. I don't think it's insecurity. The feeling I get is that Linux advocates look on FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD and even Macintosh with sympathy rather than disdain, because we're all in a sense victims of Windows' popularity. I, for one, would not mind a world equally divided among all these operating systems (including Windows), provided they interoperated transparently. I object to a world with one dominant, non-free OS. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 8 21:11:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (unknown [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D4C15772 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 21:11:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (homer.softweyr.com [204.68.178.39]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA18071; Sat, 8 May 1999 22:07:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <37350A1D.F97B1864@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 22:07:57 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: desktop, was linus on BSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > I think one of the big differentiators between "desktop"users of > > FreeBSD and Linux is that many FreeBSD users never wanted a damned PC > > in the first place. FreeBSD makes a pretty crufty PC, but a fine UNIX > > workstation. For those looking for a workstation, installing XFree86 > > and {window manager of choice, WindowMaker for me} makes workstation > > enough, especially so now that one or two competent word processors > > and at least one usable spreadsheet are available for the typical > > "productivity" applications. > > Who talked about a damned PC. The talk was on desktops, and a > workstation (with Windowmaker, or whatever) *is* a desktop. In > academia, at least, a lot of users like to get their work done on > workstations without wanting to learn how to install everything > themselves. They're not unix gurus but they can compile fortran/C > programs, run matlab/octave/latex, check mail, etc from the > command line and that's all they want to do. FreeBSD is fine for > them if someone else sets up the system first. It would be even > better if an easy-to-set-up desktop distro was rolled out. > Desktop != PC. My point exactly. Those who want or need a Windows PC should just buy/requisition a PC and be happy with what they got. I pity them. For people who want a workstation, who need to the networking and applications that workstations are good at, FreeBSD is it. It's better than Linux, better than NT by a long shot, and mostly better than Solaris at a far less expensive price point. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 8 21:52:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from relay02.netaddress.usa.net (relay02.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9FF9C157A0 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 21:51:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 5132 invoked from network); 9 May 1999 04:51:53 -0000 Received: from nw179.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.79) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 9 May 1999 04:51:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 14033 invoked by uid 60001); 9 May 1999 04:51:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19990509045153.14032.qmail@nw179.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.79 by nw179 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Sun May 9 04:51:52 GMT 1999 Date: 8 May 99 21:51:52 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: System Improvement Cc: jkh@freebsd.org X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Someone has taken time to make massive improvements to the new IMac. Please check it out. ;-> http://www7.big.or.jp/~katsurao/fp/f-inax.htm --- I am not a bot. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 8 21:58:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from relay04.netaddress.usa.net (relay04.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 385691574D for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 21:58:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 5870 invoked from network); 9 May 1999 04:58:47 -0000 Received: from nwcst060.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.60) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 9 May 1999 04:58:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 28855 invoked by uid 60001); 9 May 1999 04:58:46 -0000 Message-ID: <19990509045846.28854.qmail@nwcst060.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.60 by nwcst060 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Sun May 9 04:58:46 GMT 1999 Date: 8 May 99 21:58:46 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: MORE: Vinbows94, and Internet Exploder Cc: jkh@freebsd.org X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG BTW, I was told this is part one and the other are part of design school project. http://www7.big.or.jp/~katsurao/fp/f-vin94.htm --- I am not a bot. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 8 22:11:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from relay02.netaddress.usa.net (relay02.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BF00115A48 for ; Sat, 8 May 1999 22:11:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 7076 invoked from network); 9 May 1999 05:11:19 -0000 Received: from nwcst022.netaddress.usa.net (HELO www02.netaddress.usa.net) (204.68.24.22) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 9 May 1999 05:11:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 12027 invoked by uid 60001); 9 May 1999 05:11:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19990509051119.12026.qmail@www02.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.22 by nwcst022 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Sun May 9 05:11:19 GMT 1999 Date: 8 May 99 22:11:19 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: Greg Lehey , Jan B.Koum Subject: Re: [Re: Ken Thompson clarifies to ESR] Cc: Rahul Siddharthan , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > > = > What would he have said about FreeBSD? > = If you weren't using sarcasm, then now you'll know what my response is. --- I am not a bot. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 9 6: 2: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A8B14CFE for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 06:02:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from w@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id PAA06807; Sun, 9 May 1999 15:01:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from w@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from w@localhost) by paula.panke.de.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.8.8) id OAA01902; Sun, 9 May 1999 14:58:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from w) Message-ID: <19990509145845.63998@panke.de.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 14:58:45 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: jim@blues.ghis.net, Bill Fumerola Cc: eagle , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy web pages References: <19990509115736.D12236@blues.ghis.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <19990509115736.D12236@blues.ghis.net>; from Jim Mock on Sun, May 09, 1999 at 11:57:36AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 1999-05-09 11:57:36 +1000, Jim Mock wrote: > On Sat, 08 May 1999 at 16:25:17 -0400, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > On Sat, 8 May 1999, eagle wrote: > > > I was waiting for somebody else to respond to this, the main > > > reason that the advocacy site is not included in the main > > > repository, Is that the design goals of the site, tend to break > > > the concept of mirrors. > > > > What magic does this site do that would wreck the possibility of > > mirrors? > > Well, once the backend is finished, alot of the HTML (the gallery, the > user groups list, etc.) will be generated on-the-fly by various > scripts, etc., from a database. I don't know how many people would > want to have postgres installed along w/apache-php3 to mirror the > FreeBSD site if it was part of the main cvs tree. A postgres database for the user groups??? We have currently only 25 user groups! Anythink less than 1000 entries could be better done in a text based file, like ports/INDEX or en/commercial/consulting.raw -- Wolfram Schneider http://wolfram.schneider.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 9 6:52:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.thuntek.net (srv1.thuntek.net [206.206.98.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0814914F5C for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 06:52:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-020.thuntek.net [207.66.52.20]) by srv1.thuntek.net (8.9.1/8.6.12TNT1.0) with ESMTP id HAA09717; Sun, 9 May 1999 07:52:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3735926E.66F01FAC@thuntek.net> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 07:49:34 -0600 From: Donald Wilde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wolfram Schneider Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy web pages References: <19990509115736.D12236@blues.ghis.net> <19990509145845.63998@panke.de.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wolfram Schneider wrote: > > A postgres database for the user groups??? We have currently > only 25 user groups! Anythink less than 1000 entries could > be better done in a text based file, like ports/INDEX or > en/commercial/consulting.raw > No, not just for the Users Groups. that's just one _table_ within the DB. IF we were only going to track UG, yes, of course, just a flatfile text read-and-write. The idea is to create a database structure with many things stored in it, but to have consistent 'get' and put' functions over all. The idea is that a user in Timbuktu will fill out a web form from his local mirror, and the e-mail CGI will send that request back to the advo. server, which will update its DB and _generate_new_static_pages_ of the lists for you to mirror. -- Don Wilde "Bringing the Internet to everyone!" Wilde Media 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd. SE #117 voice: 505-771-0709 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 e-mail: dwilde1@thuntek.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 9 6:53:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from eagle.phc.igs.net (eagle.phc.igs.net [207.210.17.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EECE14F5C for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 06:52:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eagle@eagle.phc.igs.net) Received: by eagle.phc.igs.net (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 7B1041893; Sun, 9 May 1999 08:52:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eagle.phc.igs.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 75BED1C; Sun, 9 May 1999 08:52:05 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 08:52:05 +0000 (GMT) From: eagle To: Wolfram Schneider Cc: jim@blues.ghis.net, Bill Fumerola , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy web pages In-Reply-To: <19990509145845.63998@panke.de.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 9 May 1999, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > On 1999-05-09 11:57:36 +1000, Jim Mock wrote: > > On Sat, 08 May 1999 at 16:25:17 -0400, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > > On Sat, 8 May 1999, eagle wrote: > > > > I was waiting for somebody else to respond to this, the main > > > > reason that the advocacy site is not included in the main > > > > repository, Is that the design goals of the site, tend to break > > > > the concept of mirrors. > > > > > > What magic does this site do that would wreck the possibility of > > > mirrors? > > > > Well, once the backend is finished, alot of the HTML (the gallery, the > > user groups list, etc.) will be generated on-the-fly by various > > scripts, etc., from a database. I don't know how many people would > > want to have postgres installed along w/apache-php3 to mirror the > > FreeBSD site if it was part of the main cvs tree. > > A postgres database for the user groups??? We have currently > only 25 user groups! Anythink less than 1000 entries could > be better done in a text based file, like ports/INDEX or > en/commercial/consulting.raw > Postgres will be in use to maintain several other things, so it seemed fitting that since it was already there and in use by the site that we use it to automate, the newsgroup stuff as well. Rob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 9 13: 6:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829EF14D31 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 13:06:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost (billf@localhost) by jade.chc-chimes.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA28635; Sun, 9 May 1999 16:07:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 16:07:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Jim Mock Cc: eagle , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy web pages In-Reply-To: <19990509115736.D12236@blues.ghis.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 9 May 1999, Jim Mock wrote: > Well, once the backend is finished, alot of the HTML (the gallery, the > user groups list, etc.) will be generated on-the-fly by various > scripts, etc., from a database. I don't know how many people would > want to have postgres installed along w/apache-php3 to mirror the > FreeBSD site if it was part of the main cvs tree. What do we need to store in a database that hasn't already worked when stored in a flatfile and then parsed? The mirrors already don't mirror our cgis, yet we keep them in the repository. Oh well, this seems like an upwards battle and I'm to busy to fight it. I still strongly object to a solution which breaks our development model. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 9 13:22:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C2AE15105 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 13:22:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA254546099; Sun, 9 May 1999 12:08:19 -0400 Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 12:08:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Wolfram Schneider Cc: chris@calldei.com, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy web pages In-Reply-To: <19990508195717.38777@panke.de.freebsd.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 8 May 1999, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > Agreed. FreeBSD has manpower problem, not a tool problem. The > infrastructure is good: SGML tools, source repository, > cvsup/ftp/web mirrors, mailing lists etc. Exactly. > What we need are users who did really the work on freefall. and a machine other then freefall to have the web material on. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 9 13:40:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from eagle.phc.igs.net (eagle.phc.igs.net [207.210.17.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819F514F93 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 13:40:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eagle@eagle.phc.igs.net) Received: by eagle.phc.igs.net (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 8116A189D; Sun, 9 May 1999 15:39:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eagle.phc.igs.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7BF1527; Sun, 9 May 1999 15:39:31 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 15:39:31 +0000 (GMT) From: eagle To: Bill Fumerola Cc: Jim Mock , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy web pages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 9 May 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Sun, 9 May 1999, Jim Mock wrote: > > > Well, once the backend is finished, alot of the HTML (the gallery, the > > user groups list, etc.) will be generated on-the-fly by various > > scripts, etc., from a database. I don't know how many people would > > want to have postgres installed along w/apache-php3 to mirror the > > FreeBSD site if it was part of the main cvs tree. > > What do we need to store in a database that hasn't already worked when > stored in a flatfile and then parsed? > > The mirrors already don't mirror our cgis, yet we keep them in the > repository. > > Oh well, this seems like an upwards battle and I'm to busy to fight it. I > still strongly object to a solution which breaks our development model. O.K. Nobody is trying to fight a battle here. None of us that are working on the advocacy site object to having the site in the cvs tree, as it would be easier to get people to work with us on it. The real problem quite simply is this. Neither Jim Mock or myself have access to freefall so then to make a change to the site we would have to bug/harrass somebody with commit priviliges to get it done. Neither Jim or I would be happy with such an arrangement. So if somebody finally wants to break down and give Jim access to freefall, come on I know you guys gotta be getting tired of updating his ports .. blatant plug for jim perhaps we could do this and end this discussion about it. Rob Garrett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 9 13:51:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from eagle.phc.igs.net (eagle.phc.igs.net [207.210.17.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4804815217 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 13:51:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eagle@eagle.phc.igs.net) Received: by eagle.phc.igs.net (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 4F175189D; Sun, 9 May 1999 15:50:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eagle.phc.igs.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C9D91C; Sun, 9 May 1999 15:50:47 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 15:50:47 +0000 (GMT) From: eagle To: Bill Fumerola Cc: Jim Mock , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy web pages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 9 May 1999, eagle wrote: > > > On Sun, 9 May 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > > On Sun, 9 May 1999, Jim Mock wrote: > > > > > Well, once the backend is finished, alot of the HTML (the gallery, the > > > user groups list, etc.) will be generated on-the-fly by various > > > scripts, etc., from a database. I don't know how many people would > > > want to have postgres installed along w/apache-php3 to mirror the > > > FreeBSD site if it was part of the main cvs tree. > > > > What do we need to store in a database that hasn't already worked when > > stored in a flatfile and then parsed? > > > > The mirrors already don't mirror our cgis, yet we keep them in the > > repository. > > > > Oh well, this seems like an upwards battle and I'm to busy to fight it. I > > still strongly object to a solution which breaks our development model. > > O.K. Nobody is trying to fight a battle here. None of us that are working > on the advocacy site object to having the site in the cvs tree, as it > would be easier to get people to work with us on it. The real problem > quite simply is this. > > Neither Jim Mock or myself have access to freefall > > so then to make a change to the site we would have to bug/harrass somebody > with commit priviliges to get it done. Neither Jim or I would be happy > with such an arrangement. > > So if somebody finally wants to break down and give Jim access to > freefall, come on I know you guys gotta be getting tired of updating his > ports .. blatant plug for jim > > perhaps we could do this and end this discussion about it. > > Rob Garrett > Oh one more thing, while I'm on a roll and in the mood to argue/discuss this stuff, is there a chance we could get the advocacy related pr's sent to advocacy? It doesnt make much sense to update stuff in several different places, so lets get the information to the people that want to do somthing with it.. Rob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 9 13:56:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDBF215638 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 13:56:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost (billf@localhost) by jade.chc-chimes.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA17740; Sun, 9 May 1999 16:57:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 16:57:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: eagle Cc: Jim Mock , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy web pages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 9 May 1999, eagle wrote: > O.K. Nobody is trying to fight a battle here. None of us that are working > on the advocacy site object to having the site in the cvs tree, as it > would be easier to get people to work with us on it. The real problem > quite simply is this. > > Neither Jim Mock or myself have access to freefall > > so then to make a change to the site we would have to bug/harrass somebody > with commit priviliges to get it done. Neither Jim or I would be happy > with such an arrangement. > > So if somebody finally wants to break down and give Jim access to > freefall, come on I know you guys gotta be getting tired of updating his > ports .. blatant plug for jim > > perhaps we could do this and end this discussion about it. I'm on whjat seems to be an ultra low-speed link, so I'll make my answer brief. :> I'm all for making a few of the advocacy people committers, and I'd serve as the cvs mentor for these people and the contact point. However some discussion needs to be made on where the advocacy pages would go in the repository. I'm willing to work to do this the right way. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 9 13:59:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from eagle.phc.igs.net (eagle.phc.igs.net [207.210.17.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9972B15760 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 13:59:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eagle@eagle.phc.igs.net) Received: by eagle.phc.igs.net (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 7E7CF189D; Sun, 9 May 1999 15:58:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eagle.phc.igs.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C44327; Sun, 9 May 1999 15:58:44 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 15:58:44 +0000 (GMT) From: eagle To: Bill Fumerola Cc: Jim Mock , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy web pages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 9 May 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Sun, 9 May 1999, eagle wrote: > > > O.K. Nobody is trying to fight a battle here. None of us that are working > > on the advocacy site object to having the site in the cvs tree, as it > > would be easier to get people to work with us on it. The real problem > > quite simply is this. > > > > Neither Jim Mock or myself have access to freefall > > > > so then to make a change to the site we would have to bug/harrass somebody > > with commit priviliges to get it done. Neither Jim or I would be happy > > with such an arrangement. > > > > So if somebody finally wants to break down and give Jim access to > > freefall, come on I know you guys gotta be getting tired of updating his > > ports .. blatant plug for jim > > > > perhaps we could do this and end this discussion about it. > > I'm on whjat seems to be an ultra low-speed link, so I'll make my answer > brief. :> > > I'm all for making a few of the advocacy people committers, and I'd serve > as the cvs mentor for these people and the contact point. However some > discussion needs to be made on where the advocacy pages would go in the > repository. > > I'm willing to work to do this the right way. So are we, and thanks bill Rob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 9 14:49: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2B9157DE for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 14:48:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA90981; Sun, 9 May 1999 14:47:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Wolfram Schneider Cc: jim@blues.ghis.net, Bill Fumerola , eagle , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy web pages In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 09 May 1999 14:58:45 +0200." <19990509145845.63998@panke.de.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 14:47:59 -0700 Message-ID: <90977.926286479@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > A postgres database for the user groups??? We have currently No, and please don't be so obtuse. If they use postgres or mysql or whatever, it will be for far more than keeping track of user group data. There are discussion threads, FAQ-o-matic applications, user resigstration pages, you name it, all on the TODO list for this site. That's basically the problem with www.freebsd.org in a nutshell; nobody is thinking very much beyond a set of very trivial services like keeping user group data, even that being something we're not doing a very efficient job of at the moemnt. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 9 14:55: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from eagle.phc.igs.net (eagle.phc.igs.net [207.210.17.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E915014CE1 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 14:55:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eagle@eagle.phc.igs.net) Received: by eagle.phc.igs.net (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 88D16189D; Sun, 9 May 1999 16:54:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eagle.phc.igs.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F74A1C; Sun, 9 May 1999 16:54:27 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 16:54:26 +0000 (GMT) From: eagle To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Wolfram Schneider , jim@blues.ghis.net, Bill Fumerola , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy web pages In-Reply-To: <90977.926286479@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 9 May 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > A postgres database for the user groups??? We have currently > > No, and please don't be so obtuse. If they use postgres or mysql or > whatever, it will be for far more than keeping track of user group > data. There are discussion threads, FAQ-o-matic applications, user > resigstration pages, you name it, all on the TODO list for this site. > > That's basically the problem with www.freebsd.org in a nutshell; > nobody is thinking very much beyond a set of very trivial services > like keeping user group data, even that being something we're not > doing a very efficient job of at the moemnt. > > - Jordan If anybody is interested in helping get some of this stuff moving please contact me. Rob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 9 17:24:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from ontario.mooseriver.com (ontario.mooseriver.com [208.138.31.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB9D115018 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 17:24:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@ontario.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by ontario.mooseriver.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA02304; Sun, 9 May 1999 17:21:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 17:21:47 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: Jonathan Lemon Cc: jgrosch@MooseRiver.com, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [svlug] *sigh* (fwd) Message-ID: <19990509172147.A2226@ontario.mooseriver.com> Reply-To: jgrosch@MooseRiver.com References: <199905071723.MAA14492@free.pcs> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <199905071723.MAA14492@free.pcs>; from Jonathan Lemon on Fri, May 07, 1999 at 12:23:45PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 07, 1999 at 12:23:45PM -0500, Jonathan Lemon wrote: [ DELETED ] > >> The reason we had to go with RedHat was because that is what > >> Oracle will oficially support. Not Debian. Not SuSE. Not FreeBSD (the > >> other Linux distribution). > > > >Dummy question number 4 at an Install-A-Thon, "Is this a Linux distribution" > > Marketing answer: > "Yes, it most certainly is! In fact, it will run your > Linux applications faster than RedHat! As an additional > bonus, we also have an extensive collection of software called > ``ports'', which is specially designed for this distribution!" You're hired. You can help work the next Install-A-Thon. You job is to handle the clueless newbies. ;-) Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 3.1 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 9 18:25:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail-gw3adm.rcsntx.swbell.net (mail-gw3.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51DC814EB2 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 18:25:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.dyndns.org) Received: from holly.dyndns.org (ppp-207-193-11-169.hstntx.swbell.net [207.193.11.169]) by mail-gw3adm.rcsntx.swbell.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA12400; Sun, 9 May 1999 20:25:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22513; Sun, 9 May 1999 20:26:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chris) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 20:26:45 -0500 From: Chris Costello To: Bill Fumerola Cc: Wolfram Schneider , chris@calldei.com, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy web pages Message-ID: <19990509202645.I21296@holly.dyndns.org> Reply-To: chris@calldei.com References: <19990508195717.38777@panke.de.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Bill Fumerola on Sun, May 09, 1999 at 12:08:19PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, May 9, 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > What we need are users who did really the work on freefall. > > and a machine other then freefall to have the web material on. I don't understand. If you're referring to the actual website, http://advocacy.freebsd.org/, it is hosted on another system. -- Chris Costello There are never any bugs you haven't found yet. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 9 19: 4:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 039F3153E2 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 19:04:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA10737 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 21:04:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:04:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: latest Slashdot advertisements Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just went to http://slashdot.org and the advertisement at the top of the page is a penguin with blinking eyes and a gun to his head holding a sign that says "ONLY $495" and the text next to it says "Buy a Linux machine, or the penguin dies!!!". Clicking on the link takes you to http://www.thelinuxstore.com Now that is a bizarre marketing technique if I've ever seen one. Of course, it made me look, so maybe it is effective albeit somewhat weird. -steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 9 19:12:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from relay03.netaddress.usa.net (relay03.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.183]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 20E6E152B5 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 19:12:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 24176 invoked from network); 10 May 1999 02:12:26 -0000 Received: from www0a.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.30) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 10 May 1999 02:12:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 16991 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 1999 02:12:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19990510021226.16990.qmail@www0a.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.30 by www0a via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Mon May 10 02:12:25 GMT 1999 Date: 9 May 99 19:12:25 PDT From: Jesus Monroy To: Kayo , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Format of www.freebsd.org] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kayo wrote: > = > = > Hi, I have been hanging around #freebsd efnet and undernet for > sometimes now. Even though there are lots of resources at www.freebsd.o= rg, > people still come into the channel asking same questions over and > over again. May be people are lazy to read (most of them are) or may be= > they don't know where to look. I think we need some improvements in > www.freebsd.org's format to enhance the usefulness of ever resourceful > www.freebsd.org. I think it's essential that we provide simple = > and informative index page. > = As a suggestion, you might want to consider that when doing a 'keyword' search the information returned is not that informative. I'm not complaining about the interface, but if I put a keyword in like 'serial' I get alot of links back, put the information is next to useless. So an easy improvement (I'm guessing) is to return the as well. If the code is not available, I have perl(1) code that does this. --- I am not a bot. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 9 20:45:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xwin.nmhtech.com (xwin.nmhtech.com [208.138.46.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5FD1525B for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Sun, 9 May 1999 20:45:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nicole@xwin.nmhtech.com) Received: by xwin.nmhtech.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D6C372EE1A; Sun, 9 May 1999 20:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Content-Length: 1547 Message-ID: <XFMail.990509204520.nicole@nmhtech.com> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 20:45:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicole Harrington <nicole@nmhtech.com> To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: HP ANNOUNCES WORLD'S FASTEST WEBSERVER RUNNING Win2000 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hmmm... Nicole * HP ANNOUNCES WORLD'S FASTEST WEBSERVER RUNNING Win2000 Hewlett-Packard Company today announced the world's fastest Web- server performance on the HP NetServer LXr 8000 system and the=20 first standard-benchmark data for a Beta Build W2K Advanced Server.=20 The SPECweb96(1) benchmark results demonstrate the fastest two-=20 and four-way throughput ever reported from any architecture or=20 any operating system. The HP NetServer LXr 8000(2) four-way system=20 recorded 12,969 Hyper Text Transfer Protocol (HTTP) operations/s=20 and the two-way system recorded 8,163 HTTP operations/s.=20 "These results verify that the HP NetServer LXr 8000 system is the=20 fastest Web server in the world. Customers could see a 60 percent=20 throughput increase over NT 4.0," said Eileen O'Brien, marketing=20 manager for HP's Network Server Division. Full story at: http://www.hp.com/pressrel/apr99/19apr99a.htm |\ __ /| (`\ =20 | o_o |__ ) ) =20 // \\ =20 nicole@nmhtech.com | http://www.webweaver.net/ webmistress@dangermouse.org | http://www.dangermouse.org -------------------------(((---(((----------------------- =20 - Powered by Coka Cola and FreeBSD - - Strong enough for a man - But made for a Woman - - I'm not ADD - I'm just Multithreaded - - Microsoft: What bug would you like today? - ---------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 9 21: 0:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xwin.nmhtech.com (xwin.nmhtech.com [208.138.46.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0472A152E7 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sun, 9 May 1999 21:00:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nicole@xwin.nmhtech.com) Received: by xwin.nmhtech.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 20E632EE1A; Sun, 9 May 1999 21:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Content-Length: 2433 Message-ID: <XFMail.990509210023.nicole@nmhtech.com> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3734FF6B.6A737C3A@softweyr.com> Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 21:00:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicole Harrington <nicole@nmhtech.com> To: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Subject: Re: desktop, was linus on BSD Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Jordan K.Hubbard <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>, Dru <genisis@istar.ca> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG <SNIP> >=20 > I think one of the big differentiators between "desktop" users of=20 > FreeBSD and Linux is that many FreeBSD users never wanted a damned PC=20 > in the first place. FreeBSD makes a pretty crufty PC, but a fine UNIX= =20 > workstation. For those looking for a workstation, installing XFree86 > and {window manager of choice, WindowMaker for me} makes workstation > enough, especially so now that one or two competent word processors=20 > and at least one usable spreadsheet are available for the typical > "productivity" applications. >=20 Personally IMNSHO,=20 If FreeBSD wants to go after the desktop market I would like to see it spl= it into to two different releases. Desktop and server. Why? Everytime I tell people about FreeBSD they say "yea but Linux has more drivers for (this cool thing that no one else ever used or came out yesterd= ay) and FreeBSD doesn't. Thus, FreeBSD could use the same "here is a driver I wrote while wacked on jolt one night for that 1970 Hardrive you can't live without" that Linux ha= s without detracting from the "We test everything before we commit or release= any code into the release branch. Also, the GUI features could be enhanced without placing too much code blo= at into the server code. Plus each could be genericly tuned/optimised to satis= fy each requirment easier/better. I know fractioning things is often bad, but I truly belive this could help more than it would hurt. Nicole > --=20 > "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" >=20 > Wes Peters Softweyr LLC > http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message |\ __ /| (`\ =20 | o_o |__ ) ) =20 // \\ =20 nicole@nmhtech.com | http://www.webweaver.net/ webmistress@dangermouse.org | http://www.dangermouse.org -------------------------(((---(((----------------------- =20 - Powered by Coka Cola and FreeBSD - - Strong enough for a man - But made for a Woman - =20 - I'm not ADD - I'm just Multithreaded - - Microsoft: What bug would you like today? - ---------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 9 21:28:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E16155B2 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sun, 9 May 1999 21:28:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA07986; Sun, 9 May 1999 23:28:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 23:28:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Dillon <cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us> To: Nicole Harrington <nicole@nmhtech.com> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HP ANNOUNCES WORLD'S FASTEST WEBSERVER RUNNING Win2000 In-Reply-To: <XFMail.990509204520.nicole@nmhtech.com> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905092321170.7933-100000@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 9 May 1999, Nicole Harrington wrote: > > hmmm... > > Nicole > > > * HP ANNOUNCES WORLD'S FASTEST WEBSERVER RUNNING Win2000 > They trumpet "Win2000 + IIS" loudly, and just one month later, they come out with something faster. Guess what it runs? HP-UX and Zeus. Are they now trumpeting "HP-UX + Zeus"? No. Fooey on HP. http://www.spec.org/osg/web96/results/res99q2/ -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For Intel x86 and Alpha architectures (SPARC under development). ( http://www.freebsd.org ) "One should admire Windows users. It takes a great deal of courage to trust Windows with your data." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 9 21:55:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pokey.local.net (arc1-80.netwalk.net [206.175.61.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A9315290 for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Sun, 9 May 1999 21:55:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmutter@netwalk.com) Received: from insomnia (insomnia.local.net [192.168.2.3]) by pokey.local.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id AAA85977 for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:55:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jmutter@insomnia.local.net) Reply-To: <jmutter@netwalk.com> From: "James A. Mutter" <jmutter@netwalk.com> To: <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org> Subject: The Mindcraft Benchmarks Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 00:58:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000001be9aa1$cd7a2960$0302a8c0@local.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I know this happened a while ago, but I was browsing Mindcraft's "rebuttals to all our bad press of late" section and found this. I thought it was interesting... Mr. Martinez printed only part of the answer I gave him about the response to a newsgroup posting about tuning Linux on the server we were testing. What he did not publish was that I told him the response said we would see much better performance with FreeBSD than Linux. It's obvious why he didn't publish that part. This from: http://www.mindcraft.com/whitepapers/rebut-abcnews.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 9 22:11:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275F7156EF for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sun, 9 May 1999 22:11:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.197.193]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA5241; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:11:33 +0200 Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org (abaddon@daemon [192.168.0.1]) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00371; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:11:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Message-ID: <XFMail.990510071126.asmodai@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990509165343.68110A-100000@eagle.phc.igs.net> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 07:11:26 +0200 (CEST) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> To: eagle <eagle@eagle.phc.igs.net> Subject: Re: advocacy web pages Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Bill Fumerola <billf@jade.chc-chimes.com>, jim@blues.ghis.net, Wolfram Schneider <wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 09-May-99 eagle wrote: > On Sun, 9 May 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> No, and please don't be so obtuse. If they use postgres or mysql or >> whatever, it will be for far more than keeping track of user group >> data. There are discussion threads, FAQ-o-matic applications, user >> resigstration pages, you name it, all on the TODO list for this site. > If anybody is interested in helping get some of this stuff moving please > contact me. This reeks of PHP ;) --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The FreeBSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist <http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai> *BSD: Accept no limitations... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 9 22:13:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FCF156EF for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sun, 9 May 1999 22:13:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.197.193]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA547D; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:13:04 +0200 Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org (abaddon@daemon [192.168.0.1]) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00377; Mon, 10 May 1999 07:13:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Message-ID: <XFMail.990510071300.asmodai@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <Pine.HPP.3.96.990509120730.25287B-100000@hp9000.chc-chimes.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 07:13:00 +0200 (CEST) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> To: Bill Fumerola <billf@chc-chimes.com> Subject: Re: advocacy web pages Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, chris@calldei.com, Wolfram Schneider <wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 09-May-99 Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Sat, 8 May 1999, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > >> Agreed. FreeBSD has manpower problem, not a tool problem. The >> infrastructure is good: SGML tools, source repository, >> cvsup/ftp/web mirrors, mailing lists etc. > > Exactly. My thought exactly... >> What we need are users who did really the work on freefall. > > and a machine other then freefall to have the web material on. I think that's the best thing to do. Since freefall is submit to some experiments from time to time and we want the webpages to be on 24/7, at least IMHO... --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The FreeBSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist <http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai> *BSD: Accept no limitations... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 9 22:22:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pokey.local.net (tcs6-09.netwalk.net [206.175.76.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B7E14CD3 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sun, 9 May 1999 22:22:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmutter@netwalk.com) Received: from insomnia.local.net (insomnia.local.net [192.168.2.3]) by pokey.local.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA86037; Mon, 10 May 1999 01:21:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jmutter@insomnia.local.net) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 01:24:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "James A. Mutter" <jmutter@netwalk.com> Reply-To: jmutter@netwalk.com To: Nicole Harrington <nicole@nmhtech.com> Cc: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jordan K.Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>, Dru <genisis@istar.ca> Subject: Re: desktop, was linus on BSD In-Reply-To: <XFMail.990509210023.nicole@nmhtech.com> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9905100116120.257-100000@insomnia.local.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [snipped] : : Personally IMNSHO, : If FreeBSD wants to go after the desktop market I would like to see it split :into to two different releases. Desktop and server. Why? : Everytime I tell people about FreeBSD they say "yea but Linux has more :drivers for (this cool thing that no one else ever used or came out yesterday) :and FreeBSD doesn't. : Thus, FreeBSD could use the same "here is a driver I wrote while wacked on :jolt one night for that 1970 Hardrive you can't live without" that Linux has :without detracting from the "We test everything before we commit or release any :code into the release branch. : Also, the GUI features could be enhanced without placing too much code bloat :into the server code. Plus each could be genericly tuned/optimised to satisfy :each requirment easier/better. : : I know fractioning things is often bad, but I truly belive this could help :more than it would hurt. : : Nicole Consider this, instead of a split. We offer a "base system", something similiar to the current distribution. We then offer several different "mega ports". Example: Desktop: X, window manager, several of the more popular X applications. File Server: Samba, Netware code (if it ever get's finished/stable), and plenty of sample configs + documentation on how to configure/tune each. Web Server: Apache, PostgreSQL, PHP3. Again plenty of sample configs + documentation. Just my $0.02. *plink* *plink* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 9 22:53:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from relay05.netaddress.usa.net (relay05.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4EF6A15746 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sun, 9 May 1999 22:53:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 24795 invoked from network); 10 May 1999 05:53:40 -0000 Received: from www02.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.22) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 10 May 1999 05:53:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 11275 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 1999 05:53:40 -0000 Message-ID: <19990510055340.11274.qmail@www02.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.22 by nwcst022 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Mon May 10 05:53:40 GMT 1999 Date: 9 May 99 22:53:40 PDT From: Jesus Monroy <jesus.monroy@usa.net> To: paul@originative.co.uk, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [RE: Somewhat in my own defense] Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG paul@originative.co.uk wrote: > = > Journalists like two things. > = > 1) Ready made press releases, generally a small bit of prose that = > makes a > single point clearly that they can more or less cut and paste into thei= r > publication without too much work. Journalists like to minimise = > their work > (who doesn't). > Jordan, with regard to this statement I can say this is absolutely true. You can see my articles at: http://www.markshapiro.com/magsbyauth.html And aside from an occasional interview many times I and many journalist I know would simply take a 'news release' and = print it verbatum. The biggest problem is getting verification of what a company says. So many times = you end up saying things like: So-and-so claims that... or = Just release is.... It all boils down to the same. If you write the way you want it say, then write it that way. M$ knows this and plays on it especially with items like the current Mindcruft issue & RHL. You some perspective and opinion. --- I am not a bot. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 10 0:32:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from relay05.netaddress.usa.net (relay05.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C72314D75 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Mon, 10 May 1999 00:32:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 2187 invoked from network); 10 May 1999 07:32:53 -0000 Received: from www0s.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.48) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 10 May 1999 07:32:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 4046 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 1999 07:32:53 -0000 Message-ID: <19990510073253.4045.qmail@www0s.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.48 by www0s via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Mon May 10 07:32:52 GMT 1999 Date: 10 May 99 00:32:52 PDT From: Jesus Monroy <jesus.monroy@usa.net> To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Request For Better Communications X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'll be making some general comments soon. To translate them correctly please use the following URL. http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/cgi-bin/newsread?15494 --- IN that context, it is the BSD that should be considered, not the prefix. http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/cgi-bin/newsread?34858 ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 10 1:13:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A00414C08; Mon, 10 May 1999 01:13:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA16497; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:43:13 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id RAA52925; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:43:11 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:43:10 +0930 From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> To: Jesus Monroy <jesus.monroy@usa.net> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD Chat <chat@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: Request For Better Communications Message-ID: <19990510174310.H22791@freebie.lemis.com> References: <19990510073253.4045.qmail@www0s.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990510073253.4045.qmail@www0s.netaddress.usa.net>; from Jesus Monroy on Mon, May 10, 1999 at 12:32:52AM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 10 May 1999 at 0:32:52 -0700, Jesus Monroy wrote: > I'll be making some general comments soon. > To translate them correctly please use the > following URL. > > http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/cgi-bin/newsread?15494 > > --- > IN that context, it is the BSD that should be considered, > not the prefix. > http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/cgi-bin/newsread?34858 Well, since you're reviewing ancient history, maybe you can explain what you meant by the attached message. You disappeared rather suddenly after that. Greg > Xref: sserve comp.unix.bsd:13039 comp.os.386bsd.development:1551 comp.os.386bsd.bugs:1893 comp.os.386bsd.apps:764 comp.os.386bsd.questions:7326 comp.os.386bsd.misc:1682 > Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd,comp.os.386bsd.development,comp.os.386bsd.bugs,comp.os.386bsd.apps,comp.os.386bsd.questions,comp.os.386bsd.misc > Path: sserve!newshost.anu.edu.au!munnari.oz.au!news.Hawaii.Edu!ames!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!netcomsv!netcom.com!jmonroy > From: jmonroy@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr) > Subject: More on the Conflict of Interest > Message-ID: <jmonroyCHn46z.E0s@netcom.com> > Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) > Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 01:01:47 GMT > Lines: 62 > > > > More on the Conflict of Interest > -------------------------------- > > Recently, in light of the ensueing processes which are > deteremined to their rightness, I have been working on the > projects that make my financial and professional interest. > In short, I don't have time for petty in-fighting. > > I did not (and have not had) time to read the thread > which mentioned the "non-merger" of the *bsd interests. So, > comments by me at this time are without reflection on > all the present facts. Also, e-mail to me about the "moderator > please resign, BS" is sitting in my in-box, and will not be answer > until after "The Great Debate". > > I am aware that at times some of my comments seemed a bit of > line, but without all the facts it is just that (a seemingly > out-of-line-comment). I really don't have time to play the games > that people like T. Deradt want to play. Comment about > "net-bag-lady", "mentally-unstable", "politically-uncorrect" > and "non-net-equitte" are plain bull, a waste of my time and > show a great deal of unprofessionalisim by those involved. > In addition, language of vulgar context is not appreciated in > my "mbox". In short, expect a harsher treatment by me to you > (that take on these tactics). > > I will still be continuing with this newsgroup, but I must > for the sake of the moronic-unstable-childish-pathetic- > pre-adolescent-wannabes with dillusion of being the next Bill > Gates take on new tactics: > > 1) Don't expect fairings. > 2) If confused read #1. > 3) If you can't find a rule to apply read rule #1. > 4) If you work for BSDI, USL, Novell or UUNET read > rule #1. > 5) If you want me to play by *your* rules read rule #1. > 6) If you want to reason with me, then send reasonable > mail else read rule #1. > 7) If you've got a problem with my attitude or the > way I say things read rule #1. > 8) If you are going to mail me a nasty "this posting > is just your way of proving your a XXX" read rule #1. > 9) If you expect that I will do less on the account of > a handful of wannabes, read rule #1. > > 10) In case of any confusion, all the above tactics only > apply to the moronic-unstable-childish-pathetic- > pre-adolescent-wannabes with dillusion of being the > next Bill Gates. > > 11) This is a paranoid fantasy; have fun with it; > read rule #1. > > > -- > Jesus Monroy Jr jmonroy@netcom.com > Zebra Research > /386BSD/device-drivers /fd /qic /clock /documentation ___________________________________________________________________________ -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 10 1:26:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from relay04.netaddress.usa.net (relay04.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C412159DD for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Mon, 10 May 1999 01:26:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 27937 invoked from network); 10 May 1999 08:19:49 -0000 Received: from nwcst068.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.68) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 10 May 1999 08:19:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 1765 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 1999 08:19:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19990510081949.1764.qmail@nwcst068.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.68 by nwcst068 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Mon May 10 08:19:49 GMT 1999 Date: 10 May 99 01:19:49 PDT From: Jesus Monroy <jesus.monroy@usa.net> To: eagle <eagle@eagle.phc.igs.net>, Wolfram Schneider <wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: [Re: advocacy web pages] Cc: jim@blues.ghis.net, Bill Fumerola <billf@jade.chc-chimes.com>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG eagle <eagle@eagle.phc.igs.net> wrote: > On Sun, 9 May 1999, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > > = > > A postgres database for the user groups??? We have currently > > only 25 user groups! Anythink less than 1000 entries could > > be better done in a text based file, like ports/INDEX or > > en/commercial/consulting.raw > > = > Postgres will be in use to maintain several other things, so it seemed > fitting that since it was already there and in use by the site that = > we use it to automate, the newsgroup stuff as well. > = It also, nice not to spread yourself thin. There is enough to do without maintaining two or three differnet types of DBs. --- IN that context, it is the BSD that should be considered, not the prefix. http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/cgi-bin/newsread?34858 ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 10 2: 6: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from www0n.netaddress.usa.net (www0n.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7588A14F50 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Mon, 10 May 1999 02:05:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 19855 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 1999 09:05:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19990510090556.19854.qmail@www0n.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.43 by www0n via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Mon May 10 09:05:55 GMT 1999 Date: 10 May 99 02:05:55 PDT From: Jesus Monroy <jesus.monroy@usa.net> To: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>, Jesus Monroy <jesus.monroy@usa.net> Subject: Re: [Re: Request For Better Communications] Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD Chat <chat@FreeBSD.ORG> X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> wrote: > On Monday, 10 May 1999 at 0:32:52 -0700, Jesus Monroy wrote: > > I'll be making some general comments soon. > > To translate them correctly please use the > > following URL. > > > > http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/cgi-bin/newsread?15494 > > > > --- > > IN that context, it is the BSD that should be considered, > > not the prefix. > > http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/cgi-bin/newsread?34858 > = > Well, since you're reviewing ancient history, maybe you can explain > what you meant by the attached message. You disappeared rather > suddenly after that. > = You must be confused. 10) In case of any confusion, all the above tactics only apply to the moronic-unstable-childish-pathetic- pre-adolescent-wannabes with dillusion of being the next Bill Gates. --- IN that context, it is the BSD that should be considered, not the prefix. http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/cgi-bin/newsread?34858 ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 10 2:19: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8023914CB4; Mon, 10 May 1999 02:18:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA16815; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:48:46 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id SAA54225; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:48:40 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:48:40 +0930 From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> To: Jesus Monroy <jesus.monroy@usa.net> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD Chat <chat@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: [Re: Request For Better Communications] Message-ID: <19990510184840.I22791@freebie.lemis.com> References: <19990510090556.19854.qmail@www0n.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990510090556.19854.qmail@www0n.netaddress.usa.net>; from Jesus Monroy on Mon, May 10, 1999 at 02:05:55AM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 10 May 1999 at 2:05:55 -0700, Jesus Monroy wrote: > Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> wrote: >> On Monday, 10 May 1999 at 0:32:52 -0700, Jesus Monroy wrote: >>> I'll be making some general comments soon. >>> To translate them correctly please use the >>> following URL. >>> >>> http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/cgi-bin/newsread?15494 >>> >>> --- >>> IN that context, it is the BSD that should be considered, >>> not the prefix. >>> http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/cgi-bin/newsread?34858 >> >> Well, since you're reviewing ancient history, maybe you can explain >> what you meant by the attached message. You disappeared rather >> suddenly after that. >> > You must be confused. No, you provided for that. There's a difference between confusion and fairings. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 10 5:31:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from blues.ghis.net (slwag2p16.ozemail.com.au [203.108.157.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C217915100; Mon, 10 May 1999 05:31:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@blues.ghis.net) Received: (from jim@localhost) by blues.ghis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA45217; Mon, 10 May 1999 22:31:09 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:31:08 +1000 From: Jim Mock <jim@blues.ghis.net> To: "Jesus Monroy, Jr." <thepinkpages@email.com> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, webmaster@freebsdmall.com Subject: Re: Something doesn't jive Message-ID: <19990510223108.E45066@blues.ghis.net> Reply-To: jim@blues.ghis.net References: <3735e6fb.559027550@news.pacbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <3735e6fb.559027550@news.pacbell.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 09 May 1999 at 20:01:08 +0000, Jesus Monroy, Jr. wrote: > Please understand I'm not bitching, I'm just trying to understand > what is going on. If this issued has been raised before, please > point me to an appropriate thread of archive; I'll be happy to read. > > Anyway, recent threads have suggested that FreeBSD is not a > "desktop" or "single-user". The suggestions have been that FreeBSD > is better suited for high-performance workstations, > computation-slaves and servers. > > However, and here is my question: > > How come most of the FAQs are about single-user issues? > > The nearest I can tell most of the "single-user" questions answered > are about development. That is, it seems people are using FreeBSD as > the primary development platform. At the same time, dual-boot > issues point in other directions. > > Perhaps, one of the Zines could run a poll for us some we can see > what is up? I'm not against putting something like this in the FreeBSD 'zine, however, I doubt it'll make it into the upcoming issue. Perhaps the July issue. I've been working on a poll script that I planned on using for various stuff, so that won't be a problem. However.. I've noticed alot of people don't bother to vote (if that's what you'd call it) so I doubt the results would be very accurate. Not to mention the number of visitors compared to the actual amount of users. Personally I don't think the poll will produce any usable results. Comments? -- - Jim Mock - jim@blues.ghis.net - systems administrator - ghis.NET - - work: http://www.ghis.net/ - personal: http://www.ghis.net/~jim/ - - FreeBSD 'zine: http://www.freebsdzine.org/ - jim@freebsdzine.org - - FreeBSD: http://advocacy.freebsd.org/ - jim@advocacy.FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 10 5:52:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zaphod.livecam.com (zaphod.livecam.com [206.83.162.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9DAF1515C; Mon, 10 May 1999 05:52:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jessem@livecam.com) Received: from jessem.dnull.com (adsl-216-100-231-13.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.100.231.13]) by zaphod.livecam.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA24742; Mon, 10 May 1999 05:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990510055957.007b5100@livecam.com> X-Sender: jessem@livecam.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 05:59:57 -0700 To: jim@blues.ghis.net, "Jesus Monroy, Jr." <thepinkpages@email.com> From: "Jesse Monroy, Jr." <jessem@zaphod.livecam.com> Subject: Re: Something doesn't jive Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, webmaster@freebsdmall.com In-Reply-To: <19990510223108.E45066@blues.ghis.net> References: <3735e6fb.559027550@news.pacbell.net> <3735e6fb.559027550@news.pacbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 10:31 PM 5/10/99 +1000, Jim Mock wrote: >On Sun, 09 May 1999 at 20:01:08 +0000, Jesus Monroy, Jr. wrote: >> Please understand I'm not bitching, I'm just trying to understand >> what is going on. If this issued has been raised before, please >> point me to an appropriate thread of archive; I'll be happy to read. >> >> Anyway, recent threads have suggested that FreeBSD is not a >> "desktop" or "single-user". The suggestions have been that FreeBSD >> is better suited for high-performance workstations, >> computation-slaves and servers. >> >> However, and here is my question: >> >> How come most of the FAQs are about single-user issues? >> >> The nearest I can tell most of the "single-user" questions answered >> are about development. That is, it seems people are using FreeBSD as >> the primary development platform. At the same time, dual-boot >> issues point in other directions. >> >> Perhaps, one of the Zines could run a poll for us some we can see >> what is up? > >I'm not against putting something like this in the FreeBSD 'zine, >however, I doubt it'll make it into the upcoming issue. Perhaps the >July issue. I've been working on a poll script that I planned on >using for various stuff, so that won't be a problem. > >However.. I've noticed alot of people don't bother to vote (if that's >what you'd call it) so I doubt the results would be very accurate. >Not to mention the number of visitors compared to the actual amount of >users. Personally I don't think the poll will produce any usable >results. Comments? > Yes, of course. First, I know I can get people to vote, but at the same time it's part manipulation on my part; well our part. I'll be screaming bloody murder, so to speak, but don't let that influence you too much. Don't defend me too much, but at the same time don't start an email campaign to my ISP. :-) Please remember this, as I won't repeat it again. Next the questions: How do you use your FreeBSD? Server (web,db,ftp,wais,etc.) Personal-Dedicated Personal-Win95-shared Personal-Linux-shared Personal-many-shared Add_your_favorite_here Do you want more FAQs about? How-to Guides Hackers-Notes Hand-books Add_your_favorite_here And, of course, give a few days heads up when the polls are ready. I hope this is clear? Any questions? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 10 9:21:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4883C15402 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Mon, 10 May 1999 09:21:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id SAA26837; Mon, 10 May 1999 18:21:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Steve Price <sprice@hiwaay.net> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: latest Slashdot advertisements References: <Pine.OSF.4.10.9905092056450.1102-100000@fly.HiWAAY.net> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no> Date: 10 May 1999 18:21:38 +0200 In-Reply-To: Steve Price's message of "Sun, 9 May 1999 21:04:30 -0500 (CDT)" Message-ID: <xzpogjsx5d9.fsf@localhost.ping.uio.no> Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve Price <sprice@hiwaay.net> writes: > I just went to http://slashdot.org and the advertisement > at the top of the page is a penguin with blinking eyes > and a gun to his head holding a sign that says "ONLY $495" > and the text next to it says "Buy a Linux machine, or the > penguin dies!!!". It's a spoof of a National Lampoon album cover that says 'Buy this record or the dog dies' (with a picture of a puppy with a gun to his head). DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 10 11:25:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464CE14E75; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:25:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker ([210.55.152.128]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990510182740.HLXP7623210.mta2-rme@wocker>; Tue, 11 May 1999 06:27:40 +1200 From: "Dan Langille" <junkmale@xtra.co.nz> Organization: The FreeBSD Diary To: Jim Mock <jim@blues.ghis.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 06:25:33 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Something doesn't jive Reply-To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, webmaster@freebsdmall.com In-reply-to: <19990510223108.E45066@blues.ghis.net> References: <3735e6fb.559027550@news.pacbell.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990510182740.HLXP7623210.mta2-rme@wocker> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 10 May 99, at 22:31, Jim Mock wrote: > However.. I've noticed alot of people don't bother to vote (if that's what > you'd call it) so I doubt the results would be very accurate. Not to > mention the number of visitors compared to the actual amount of users. > Personally I don't think the poll will produce any usable results. > Comments? Polls wherein the people have an option as to whether or not to participate are notoriously skewed and produce inaccurate results. Presumably this applies to polls on webpages but not to telephone polls. The former is optional (Oh!, there's a poll, I'll do it). The latter involves a slight degree of duress (Do you have time for this poll?) but, from what I've been told, produces much more accurate results. -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/freebsd/ NZ FreeBSD User Group - http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/ The Racing System - http://www.racingsystem.com/racingsystem.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 10 11:39: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67B214C9C for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:39:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA112076291; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:24:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:24:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola <billf@chc-chimes.com> To: Chris Costello <chris@calldei.com> Cc: Wolfram Schneider <wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy web pages In-Reply-To: <19990509202645.I21296@holly.dyndns.org> Message-Id: <Pine.HPP.3.96.990510102434.11205A-100000@hp9000.chc-chimes.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 9 May 1999, Chris Costello wrote: > I don't understand. If you're referring to the actual > website, http://advocacy.freebsd.org/, it is hosted on another > system. I was speaking of the current www.freebsd.org, actually. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 10 11:39:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2219F14FEB for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:39:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost (billf@localhost) by jade.chc-chimes.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA24157; Mon, 10 May 1999 14:39:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 14:39:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola <billf@jade.chc-chimes.com> To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> Cc: eagle <eagle@eagle.phc.igs.net>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, jim@blues.ghis.net, Wolfram Schneider <wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: advocacy web pages In-Reply-To: <XFMail.990510071126.asmodai@wxs.nl> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990510143826.21375C-100000@jade.chc-chimes.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 May 1999, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > This reeks of PHP ;) Agreed. There is another reason that php may be involved in the project too. I'm in favor of using it. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 10 11:39:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E2415361 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:39:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA112126329; Mon, 10 May 1999 10:25:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:25:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola <billf@chc-chimes.com> To: Steve Price <sprice@hiwaay.net> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: latest Slashdot advertisements In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.10.9905092056450.1102-100000@fly.HiWAAY.net> Message-Id: <Pine.HPP.3.96.990510102511.11205B-100000@hp9000.chc-chimes.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 9 May 1999, Steve Price wrote: > and the text next to it says "Buy a Linux machine, or the > penguin dies!!!". Clicking on the link takes you to I didn't buy one. Darn, he's still there. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 10 11:43:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5180515757 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Mon, 10 May 1999 11:43:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.217]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA5B6D; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:43:17 +0200 Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org (abaddon@daemon [192.168.0.1]) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00729; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:43:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Message-ID: <XFMail.990510204316.asmodai@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990510143826.21375C-100000@jade.chc-chimes.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:43:16 +0200 (CEST) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> To: Bill Fumerola <billf@jade.chc-chimes.com> Subject: Re: advocacy web pages Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>, Wolfram Schneider <wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org>, jim@blues.ghis.net, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, eagle <eagle@eagle.phc.igs.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 10-May-99 Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Mon, 10 May 1999, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > >> This reeks of PHP ;) > > Agreed. There is another reason that php may be involved in the project > too. I'm in favor of using it. As am I... It will allow more dynamic content provision as well for other pages such as the news pages... We might get a chance to highlight MFC's and other development stuff more pro-actively in this way towards our potential visitors and other interested parties... Comments? --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The FreeBSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist <http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai> *BSD: Accept no limitations... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 10 15:18:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from eagle.phc.igs.net (eagle.phc.igs.net [207.210.17.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C88ED14D09 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Mon, 10 May 1999 15:18:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eagle@eagle.phc.igs.net) Received: by eagle.phc.igs.net (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 5F1C61886; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:17:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eagle.phc.igs.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 58E6513; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:17:43 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:17:43 +0000 (GMT) From: eagle <eagle@eagle.phc.igs.net> To: Bill Fumerola <billf@jade.chc-chimes.com> Cc: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, jim@blues.ghis.net, Wolfram Schneider <wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: advocacy web pages In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990510143826.21375C-100000@jade.chc-chimes.com> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990510171636.14302B-100000@eagle.phc.igs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 10 May 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Mon, 10 May 1999, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > > > This reeks of PHP ;) > > Agreed. There is another reason that php may be involved in the project > too. I'm in favor of using it. > Currently we have perl people and php3 people working on things for the advocacy site, once again anybody interested in joining us send me some email .. Rob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 10 23:22:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (unknown [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C2D15DE6 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Mon, 10 May 1999 23:22:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (homer.softweyr.com [204.68.178.39]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA24343; Tue, 11 May 1999 00:22:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <3737CC9B.42DFD44E@softweyr.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 00:22:19 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nicole Harrington <nicole@nmhtech.com> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jordan K.Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>, Dru <genisis@istar.ca> Subject: Re: desktop, was linus on BSD References: <XFMail.990509210023.nicole@nmhtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nicole Harrington wrote: > > Personally IMNSHO, > If FreeBSD wants to go after the desktop market I would like to see it split > into to two different releases. Desktop and server. Why? > Everytime I tell people about FreeBSD they say "yea but Linux has more > drivers for (this cool thing that no one else ever used or came out yesterday) > and FreeBSD doesn't. > Thus, FreeBSD could use the same "here is a driver I wrote while wacked on > jolt one night for that 1970 Hardrive you can't live without" that Linux has > without detracting from the "We test everything before we commit or release any > code into the release branch. That's my point about the difference between a workstation and a PC. All we really need to do to make FreeBSD a great workstation platform is don't break the IDE driver. Better installation for modems and printers would help, too, but those would help servers as well. There's just not that much difference. Who cares if we support every piece of ISA trash on the market, as long as we support several of the really common pieces well? > Also, the GUI features could be enhanced without placing too much code bloat > into the server code. Plus each could be genericly tuned/optimised to satisfy > each requirment easier/better. > > I know fractioning things is often bad, but I truly belive this could help > more than it would hurt. Given the relatively homogenous nature of the hardware, I don't see any need to differentiate the two at all. Let's face it, a FreeBSD work- station is just a server with IDE drives and a GOOD graphics card. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 11 5:30: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from home (unknown [203.0.93.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA031590E; Tue, 11 May 1999 05:29:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jsutton@genesis.net.au) Received: from localhost (jsutton@localhost) by home (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA00765; Tue, 11 May 1999 22:29:33 +1000 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: stargate.home: jsutton owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:29:32 +1000 (EST) From: Joel Sutton <jsutton@genesis.net.au> X-Sender: jsutton@stargate.home Reply-To: Joel Sutton <jsutton@genesis.net.au> To: advocacy@freebsd.org, user-groups@freebsd.org Subject: Victoria's FreeBSD User Group (VicFUG) Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990511222506.724D-100000@stargate.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greetings all, This is a quick one to let you know that VicFUG, Victoria's FreeBSD User Group in Australia, now has an operational web site and mailing list. At the moment we're concentrating on generating interest rather than having meetings but the day is fast approaching. Take a look at: http://www.vicfug.au.freebsd.org/ If you know of anyone who might be interested in this group can you please forward this email to them. Comments & suggestions are welcome. Cheers, Joel... --- Joel Sutton | Busy Bee Consulting Phone: 0409 426-563 | Melbourne, Australia Email: jsutton@genesis.net.au | http://www.genesis.net.au/~jsutton VicFUG Webmaster/Acting President | http://www.vicfug.au.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 11 7: 3:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from relay04.netaddress.usa.net (relay04.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 46B14159A1 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Tue, 11 May 1999 07:03:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 2377 invoked from network); 11 May 1999 14:03:39 -0000 Received: from www0s.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.48) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 11 May 1999 14:03:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 19130 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 1999 14:03:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19990511140338.19129.qmail@www0s.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.48 by www0s via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Tue May 11 14:03:37 GMT 1999 Date: 11 May 99 07:03:37 PDT From: Jesus Monroy <jesus.monroy@usa.net> To: Jordan K.Hubbard <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>, Philip Kizer <pckizer@nostrum.com> Subject: Re: [Re: Charles Henrich a Star? ] Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> wrote: > > Is there a press release yet for that one to which we can point peopl= e? > = > A press release requires a willing press. :) So far, we haven't had > much luck there. > = Maybe someone has asked this already. But what about using "Business Wire(tm)"? --- IN that context, it is the BSD that should be considered, not the prefix. http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/cgi-bin/newsread?34858 ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 11 12:40: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7AAE14FF9 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15328; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:39:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd015307; Tue May 11 12:39:40 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA15534; Tue, 11 May 1999 12:39:38 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> Message-Id: <199905111939.MAA15534@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: desktop, was linus on BSD To: wes@softweyr.com (Wes Peters) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:39:38 +0000 (GMT) Cc: nicole@nmhtech.com, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, genisis@istar.ca In-Reply-To: <3737CC9B.42DFD44E@softweyr.com> from "Wes Peters" at May 11, 99 00:22:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > That's my point about the difference between a workstation and a PC. All we > really need to do to make FreeBSD a great workstation platform is don't > break the IDE driver. Better installation for modems and printers would > help, too, but those would help servers as well. There's just not that > much difference. Who cares if we support every piece of ISA trash on the > market, as long as we support several of the really common pieces well? A workstation with IDE hardware? Oh, you mean a PC... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 11 13:55: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from unix1.digital-web.net (unix1.digital-web.net [216.65.27.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3ACF14D42 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Tue, 11 May 1999 13:54:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph@randomnetworks.com) Received: from localhost (jmscott@localhost) by unix1.digital-web.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA40455 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 16:50:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Joseph Scott <joseph@randomnetworks.com> X-Sender: jmscott@unix1.digital-web.net Reply-To: Joseph Scott <joseph@randomnetworks.com> To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: O'Reilly Open Source Con in Aug 99, BSD? Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9905111646510.39909-100000@unix1.digital-web.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Quite awhile back I'd heard about the O'Reilly Open Source Con : http://conferences.oreilly.com/ At the time there was mention of FreeBSD in the line up, and I've asked more that once and been told that FreeBSD would be involved, but I don't see any evidence of that on their web site. I guess I'm looking for someone ( Jordan? ) to tell me once again, that yes FreeBSD is still involved in this. I'm really hoping to be able to go, I'd probably go just for the Perl/Sendmail/Apache stuff, but it would be even better if I could go for the FreeBSD/Perl/Sendmail/Apache staff :-) Joseph Scott joseph@randomnetworks.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 11 15:18:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF3015680 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:18:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id PAA13965; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id PAA20106; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:18:16 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn4.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA18048; Tue, 11 May 99 15:18:14 PDT Message-Id: <3738ACA5.EBC965C7@softweyr.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 16:18:13 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: desktop, was linus on BSD References: <199905111939.MAA15534@usr04.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > > > That's my point about the difference between a workstation and a PC. All we > > really need to do to make FreeBSD a great workstation platform is don't > > break the IDE driver. Better installation for modems and printers would > > help, too, but those would help servers as well. There's just not that > > much difference. Who cares if we support every piece of ISA trash on the > > market, as long as we support several of the really common pieces well? > > A workstation with IDE hardware? > > Oh, you mean a PC... Or a Darwin. No, not the Apple stuff, the Sun stuff. Are you (un)confused now? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 11 15:53:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from relay04.netaddress.usa.net (relay04.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9273614FA9 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Tue, 11 May 1999 15:53:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 18876 invoked from network); 11 May 1999 22:53:09 -0000 Received: from nw175.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.75) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 11 May 1999 22:53:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 29779 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 1999 22:53:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19990511225309.29778.qmail@nw175.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.75 by nw175 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Tue May 11 22:53:08 GMT 1999 Date: 11 May 99 15:53:08 PDT From: Jesus Monroy <jesus.monroy@usa.net> To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Re: sites running FreeBSD] Cc: sokol@livecam.com X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> wrote: > Mark Ovens wrote: > > = > > "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > CDROM, marked to my attention (I've already asked to make sure the > > > other guy puts INFLATABLE LOVE SHEEP on the box in big letters sinc= e > > > I have a reputation here to uphold! :-). > > > > > = > > California - where men are men, and sheep are nervous > = > "Mr. Hubbard, put down the velcro gloves and back away from the sheep!"= > = > "Honest officer, I was just helping that sheep over the fence!" > = > Sorry, I just spent the weekend in sheep country. ;^) > = Here is another one. What are the three big cowboy lies? 1. I won the belt buckel IN the rodeo. 2. Yes, the truck is paid for. 3. Look, I was just helping that sheep over the fence! --- IN that context, it is the BSD that should be considered, not the prefix. http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/cgi-bin/newsread?34858 ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 11 16:11:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66E215234 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:11:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA59895; Tue, 11 May 1999 16:11:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Joseph Scott <joseph@randomnetworks.com> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: O'Reilly Open Source Con in Aug 99, BSD? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 May 1999 16:50:35 EDT." <Pine.BSF.4.05.9905111646510.39909-100000@unix1.digital-web.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 16:11:48 -0700 Message-ID: <59891.926464308@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > http://conferences.oreilly.com/ > > At the time there was mention of FreeBSD in the line up, and I've asked > more that once and been told that FreeBSD would be involved, but I don't > see any evidence of that on their web site. I guess I'm looking for > someone ( Jordan? ) to tell me once again, that yes FreeBSD is still > involved in this. Unfortunately, we couldn't get the people and so we won't be involved in any significant sense. I'd already called in all my markers and emptied the speaker barrel for the USENIX technical conference and there just wasn't anything left over for O'Reilly. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 11 19: 2:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from unix1.digital-web.net (unix1.digital-web.net [216.65.27.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E0D151F7 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Tue, 11 May 1999 19:02:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph@randomnetworks.com) Received: from localhost (jmscott@localhost) by unix1.digital-web.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA78972; Tue, 11 May 1999 21:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 21:58:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Joseph Scott <joseph@randomnetworks.com> X-Sender: jmscott@unix1.digital-web.net Reply-To: Joseph Scott <joseph@randomnetworks.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: O'Reilly Open Source Con in Aug 99, BSD? In-Reply-To: <59891.926464308@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9905112151010.76760-100000@unix1.digital-web.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 11 May 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > http://conferences.oreilly.com/ > > > > At the time there was mention of FreeBSD in the line up, and I've asked > > more that once and been told that FreeBSD would be involved, but I don't > > see any evidence of that on their web site. I guess I'm looking for > > someone ( Jordan? ) to tell me once again, that yes FreeBSD is still > > involved in this. > > Unfortunately, we couldn't get the people and so we won't be involved > in any significant sense. I'd already called in all my markers and > emptied the speaker barrel for the USENIX technical conference and > there just wasn't anything left over for O'Reilly. > > - Jordan Darn it. I'm finally in a job where I can actually go to some of this stuff and the week of USENIX I'll be in Bellevue, Washington of all places, about 5 miles from MS HQ. I wasn't too excited when I found that out. Oh well, I can't win them all, and I'm happy that I at least get to try and go when I can. I'll have to be sure to have my FreeBSD hat with me if I still get to go to ora Open Source con :-) Any other FreeBSD heads still going for the other stuff? Joseph Scott joseph@randomnetworks.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 11 19: 7:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from info.isinet.com (mail2.isinet.com [199.4.155.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F46E15A57 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Tue, 11 May 1999 19:07:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aturoff@isinet.com) Received: (qmail 29903 invoked from network); 12 May 1999 02:03:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO isinet.com) (aturoff@10.10.10.221) by info.isinet.com with SMTP; 12 May 1999 02:03:47 -0000 Message-ID: <3738E26A.469A27EA@isinet.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:07:38 -0400 From: Adam Turoff <aturoff@isinet.com> Reply-To: aturoff@isinet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joseph Scott <joseph@randomnetworks.com> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: O'Reilly Open Source Con in Aug 99, BSD? References: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9905112151010.76760-100000@unix1.digital-web.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Joseph Scott wrote: > Darn it. I'm finally in a job where I can actually go to some of > this stuff and the week of USENIX I'll be in Bellevue, Washington of all > places, about 5 miles from MS HQ. I wasn't too excited when I found that > out. Oh well, I can't win them all, and I'm happy that I at least get to > try and go when I can. > > I'll have to be sure to have my FreeBSD hat with me if I still get > to go to ora Open Source con :-) Any other FreeBSD heads still going for > the other stuff? Perl. Apache. :-) I'm going to try and do a repeat performance of the Great FreeBSD CD Giveaway I started at last year's Perl Conference. (I gave away ~200 CDs in 15 minutes at XTech'99 a few weeks ago.) There would certainly be room for a [Free]BSD BOF. -- Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 11 19:16:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E66214E04 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Tue, 11 May 1999 19:16:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA60765; Tue, 11 May 1999 19:16:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Joseph Scott <joseph@randomnetworks.com> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: O'Reilly Open Source Con in Aug 99, BSD? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 May 1999 21:58:04 EDT." <Pine.BSF.4.05.9905112151010.76760-100000@unix1.digital-web.net> Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:16:36 -0700 Message-ID: <60761.926475396@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'll have to be sure to have my FreeBSD hat with me if I still get > to go to ora Open Source con :-) Any other FreeBSD heads still going for > the other stuff? Well, I plan to be there to give a talk on FreeBSD at least. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 11 20:57:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xwin.nmhtech.com (xwin.nmhtech.com [208.138.46.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E44514BCF for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Tue, 11 May 1999 20:57:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nicole@xwin.nmhtech.com) Received: by xwin.nmhtech.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C92D72EE1A; Tue, 11 May 1999 20:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Content-Length: 18469 Message-ID: <XFMail.990511205747.nicole@nmhtech.com> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:57:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicole Harrington <nicole@nmhtech.com> To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Interesting article in an unlikely place Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I found a cool article: http://www/aceshardware.com/articles/how-to/freebsd.shtml Below is a copy, and no, I don't have time to reformat it...:| Home UNIX Boxen=20 FreeBSD=20 Ace's Hardware=20 By Brian Neal=20 5/5/99=20 There are a number of freely available UNIX varien= ts online, and a number of reasons to use one. From platform support requirements (from a developer's standpoin= t) to just plain curiosity, more and more people these days are choosing to use a free UNIX operating system on th= eir home PCs. Previously, I discussed using Solaris 7 x86 on a home PC, now I'd like to introduce you to FreeBSD,= a completely free, non-GPLed, reliable freeware UNIX OS based on Berkely UNIX 4.4 (BSD).=20 FreeBSD and not Linux?=20 They're both free, but why choose FreeBSD over Lin= ux, with it's popularity and support growing everyday, or even Solaris x86, a well-established player? It comes d= own to heritage. There are essentially two fundamental versions of UNIX, AT&T System V and BSD (Berkely System Design= ). All the decendants of UNIX available today (Solaris/SunOS, AIX, HP-UX, Digital UNIX, *BSD, et= c.) are based roughly on either of these two systems, though many combine elements from both.=20 Though both UNIX implementations can perform the s= ame tasks and generally perform equally, BSD and SysV have different ways of going about doing things (internals). Nowhere is this more apparent than in the configuration files, which means it can be quite a nuisance if an administrator has to administer both styles at a single site.=20 FreeBSD stays true to it's BSD heritage, even thou= gh the FreeBSD team has made a number of improvements and modifications. Linux, though it is somewhat unlike other UNIX operating systems internally (since it was developed from the ground up), primarily resembles System V. Solaris 7 (SunOS 5.x) is derived from System V as well, though it additionally has numerous similarities with BSD systems since earlier SunOS 4.x versions were BSD.=20 The FreeBSD project is also generally considered t= o be more cohesive than most Linux distributions, as there is a single version of FreeBSD, and it's growth is monitored and supervised by a tight-knit group of developers. With Linux, only the kernel remains unchanged, the rest= of the core software is up to the distributor, which is why it's very possible to find incredibly good Linux distributio= ns as well as very poor distributions.=20 Installation=20 Where to Get FreeBSD=20 The main ftp server is ftp.freebsd.org, and the FreeBSD home page is at www.freebsd.org. The ftp server will always have the most up-to-date version, freebsd-current, which is compiled daily. The FTP site also stores "RELEASE" and "STABLE" versions, which support various featu= res and components based on the overall stability/reliability of the system (STABLE is more conservative). There are al= so several mirrors, you can get a list from the web page. Take notice that FreeBSD is quite large! If you just wa= nt a taste, download only the binary distribution or order the entire thing on cdrom from Walnut Creek:=20 Walnut Creek CDROM=20 4041 Pike Lane, Suite D=20 Concord CA 94520=20 1-800-786-9907, +1-510-674-0783, +1-510-674-0821 (fax)=20 Or via the internet from orders@cdrom.com o= r http://www.cdrom.com. Their current catalog can be obtained via ftp from: ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/cdrom/catalog. Installing FreeBSD=20 First you must download the needed files. Only the `bin' distribution is truly required, but I recommend all of the following:=20 Bin All the binaries necessary to run the system (no source), this is mandatory. Manpages The FreeBSD manpages. They form the `manual' for the system. Doc FreeBSD specific documentation (very useful). Floppies The boot floppy images for the installation, currently you need two floppy disks for an installation (boot.flp and mfsroot.flp). Ports The FreeBSD ports library, a collection= of Makefiles used to simplify the installation of ported software by automatically downloading, compiling, and patching the source code. Tools Some DOS utilities to help with the installation. In particular, the `rawrite.exe' utility can be used to wr= ite the boot images to a floppy, while the FIPS program can be used to safely resize partitions (like Partition Magic). XF86333 XFree86 3.3.3, freely available X distribution, provides support for graphical interfaces and software. Xbin Required binary X distribution. Xcfg Configuration files for XFree86 (requir= ed). Xdoc Documentation for XFree86 Xfnts Standard fonts for X (required) Xlib X libraries (required) Xman Manpages for X and the included sofware= =20 Xset XFree86 graphical configuration utility= , needs XF86VG16. XSVGA SVGA server that supports most modern v= ideo boards. XVG16 Generic VGA16 server, 640x480 with 4-bi= t color Please remember, there are many other files to be downloaded for a truely complete distribution of FreeBSD and XFree86, these are just the basic requirements!= =20 Make a boot floppy. Use the `rawrite.exe' utility = you downloaded from the `tools' directory to write the `boot.flp' and `mfsroot.flp' images to a blank 1.44MB floppy disk= . Fortunately, the installation program contained on the boot floppy is quite intuitive and contains a good deal of documentation once you reach that phase of the installation.=20 Insert the disk and reboot. Once your system reboo= ts, you'll see a boot prompt, just press enter and the kernel will uncompress. You will be presented with a choice configuration or to skip the configuration. Kernel configuration will allow you to select what kind of hardware FreeBSD = will probe for upon boot up. If you know what hardware you do and don't have, go ahead and enter the kernel configuration in `visual' mode (much easier) to remove the drivers you don'= t need. When finished, press `q' and the installatio= n will continue.=20 The installation program should automatically star= t, you will be presented with several choices, including different levels of installation (novice, expert, or custom)= , documentation, configuration, etc. It's generally recommended to choose `Novice' even if you aren't one, since the installation is simply easier.=20 You're first task is to select and partition a dis= k for FreeBSD to reside on. If you have more than one hard disk you will be presented with a choice:=20 [ ] wd0=20 [ ] wd1 These are your hard disks, the display might vary slightly depending on how many disks you have and whether or not you use SCSI devices (if so, the device names will= be different. Essentially, disk 0 is the boot disk, and the others follow. To allocate space for installation, select= a disk with the space bar. You can select and create partitions on as many disks as you like.=20 Once you've selected a disk, fdisk will start. Thi= s is pretty self explanatory, select some free space (unallocated disk space) and hit `c' to create a partition. You will= be asked for the size, if you want all the free space to be used by FreeBSD then just press enter, else enter a value = for the size. You can append the suffix `M' to denote megabytes when entering your size values. After the size dia= log, a type dialog will be displayed, it defaults to `165' (FreeBSD), just hit enter here. Then press `q' to exit.=20 You will be asked to install a boot manager, it defaults to install to the master boot record. If you need to use another os (dos), then hit enter.=20 Your next task is to divide the partition you crea= ted into slices. Slices are like sub-partitions of the primary partition. They form your primary UNIX filesystems, like /, /= usr, /opt, and so on. In the disklabel program (which is run by the installation when fdisk is done), you will be able= to select which partition to configure and view which slices you have made. Select your FreeBSD partition and hit `c' to create a new slice. You will need to enter a size, since this is your root, it should be 50M or greater in size (I use 1= 50M, but it depends on the size of your partition (don't go under 30M)). Make sure you choose `Filesystem' when asked what type. Enter `/' (foreward slash) for the mount point. You have now created you're first FreeBSD slice, now for mo= re. Hit `c' to create another slice, make this one larger as it will store your applications and X. The mount point wil= l be `/usr'. Next you must create a swap slice. Hit `c', choose type `swap', and the size should be roughly twice that = of your physical ram. Then hit 'q' once you've finished. You may also want a separate `/var' filesystem if you require s= pace for mail, and log files, but it's not required.=20 The slices will be created and you will be prompte= d to select which distributions you wish to install and where they are located. If you downloaded the distributions from = the internet they generally need to be on a DOS partition under the `\freebsd' directory, with a separate directory fo= r each distribution. For example, `c:\freebsd\bin' holds the binary distribution. If this is where your files are loca= ted, then the source media is `DOS'.=20 You will have to select which distributions to install. `Minimal' installs just the `bin'. If you have downloaded just the distributions you want, then use `custom' to selec= t them all. This is also true of XFree86, merely select what you've got, and choose a server for your monitor. When do= ne, hit enter until you arrive at the main distribution menu, and then hit enter to install what you have selected.=20 If everything went smoothly you will be asked to configure your system. This is all self explanatory. When complete, the system will reboot, and the boot manager will appear:=20 F1... dos=20 F2... BSD=20 F5... disk2 Use the function keys to select the appropriate sy= stem (BSD), or the second disk, if that is where FreeBSD is located. FreeBSD will start and you will be presented with = a login prompt. If you login as `root', you can configure the system using the included `sysinstall' utility:=20 # /stand/sysinstall Getting Around in FreeBSD=20 Getting around in FreeBSD is just like getting aro= und in any other UNIX operating system. By default, however, FreeBSD doesn't launch X for a graphical interface= . If you wish to start X up, you can type the following from the command line:=20 # startx This starts up XFree86 and executes any commands contained inside your .xinitrc file. If this is your first time running FreeBSD, however, you'll need to configure Xfree86 first.=20 # XF86Setup XF86Setup will launch the graphical configuration tool, but if you haven't installed the VGA server (XVG16 listed above), you can't use it. If this is the case, the= n you need to use:=20 # xf86config Using the Ports Library=20 FreeBSD contains a convenient group of ported applications that you can build right on your FreeBSD machine. You may also download precompiled binaries for the por= ts, but often find it more convenient to just keep the makefiles around for the entire ports library. Assuming you installed the ports library, you can use it very easily:=20 # cd /usr/ports This will take you into the ports directory, which= is subdivided by software categories (like archivers, www, net, etc.). You can `cd' to any of these subdirectories and th= en use the make command to build a specific program. Here's an example:=20 # cd /usr/ports/net=20 # cd radius=20 # make=20 # make install The commands above download, compile, and install = the latest version of the RADIUS remote authentication port for FreeBSD. However, what if you didn't know exactly which piece of software you were looking for? You could easily search the ports library like this:=20 # cd /usr/ports=20 # make search key=3D"tcp" Make will then display a list of all ports with "t= cp" contained within the description.=20 FreeBSD for Non-x86 Machines?=20 Although porting projects are underway, unlike it'= s brothers NetBSD and OpenBSD, FreeBSD has no complete non-x86 ports at this time. However, ports to Alph= a and SPARC architectures are underway and you can monitor their progress with the links below.=20 FreeBSD for Alpha=20 FreeBSD for SPARC=20 More Information on FreeBSD=20 As I'm barely scratching the surface here, and thi= s article is by no means the only piece of FreeBSD information available online, I'd like to link a few points of reference.=20 The FreeBSD Project Web Site=20 Frequently Asked Questions About FreeBSD= =20 FreeBSD Handbook=20 FreeBSD Mall=20 Daemon News=20 FreeBSD Powers Visual Effects in Matrix=20 If you haven't done so already, take a look at my first article in this series, Home UNIX Boxen, Solaris x86. There's more to come soon, as I'll also be reviewing Linux shortly.=20 |\ __ /| (`\ =20 | o_o |__ ) ) =20 // \\ =20 nicole@nmhtech.com | http://www.webweaver.net/ webmistress@dangermouse.org | http://www.dangermouse.org -------------------------(((---(((----------------------- =20 - Powered by Coka Cola and FreeBSD - - Strong enough for a man - But made for a Woman - =20 - I'm not ADD - I'm just Multithreaded - - Microsoft: What bug would you like today? - ---------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 12 2: 3: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from 001101.zer0.org (001101.zer0.org [206.24.105.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C25A15DF1 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 12 May 1999 02:02:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@001101.zer0.org) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by 001101.zer0.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) id CAA50817; Wed, 12 May 1999 02:02:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 02:02:18 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter <gsutter@pobox.com> To: Nicole Harrington <nicole@nmhtech.com> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Interesting article in an unlikely place Message-ID: <19990512020218.X55051@001101.zer0.org> References: <XFMail.990511205747.nicole@nmhtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <XFMail.990511205747.nicole@nmhtech.com>; from Nicole Harrington on Tue, May 11, 1999 at 08:57:47PM -0700 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG <http://www.aceshardware.com/articles/how-to/freebsd.shtml> Home UNIX Boxen FreeBSD Ace's Hardware By Brian Neal 5/5/99 There are a number of freely available UNIX varients online, and a number of reasons to use one. From platform support requirements (from a developer's standpoint) to just plain curiosity, more and more people these days are choosing to use a free UNIX operating system on their home PCs. Previously, I discussed using Solaris 7 x86 on a home PC, now I'd like to introduce you to FreeBSD, a completely free, non-GPLed, reliable freeware UNIX OS based on Berkely UNIX 4.4 (BSD). FreeBSD and not Linux? They're both free, but why choose FreeBSD over Linux, with it's popularity and support growing everyday, or even Solaris x86, a well-established player? It comes down to heritage. There are essentially two fundamental versions of UNIX, AT&T System V and BSD (Berkely System Design). All the decendants of UNIX available today (Solaris/SunOS, AIX, HP-UX, Digital UNIX, *BSD, etc.) are based roughly on either of these two systems, though many combine elements from both. Though both UNIX implementations can perform the same tasks and generally perform equally, BSD and SysV have different ways of going about doing things (internals). Nowhere is this more apparent than in the configuration files, which means it can be quite a nuisance if an administrator has to administer both styles at a single site. FreeBSD stays true to it's BSD heritage, even though the FreeBSD team has made a number of improvements and modifications. Linux, though it is somewhat unlike other UNIX operating systems internally (since it was developed from the ground up), primarily resembles System V. Solaris 7 (SunOS 5.x) is derived from System V as well, though it additionally has numerous similarities with BSD systems since earlier SunOS 4.x versions were BSD. The FreeBSD project is also generally considered to be more cohesive than most Linux distributions, as there is a single version of FreeBSD, and it's growth is monitored and supervised by a tight-knit group of developers. With Linux, only the kernel remains unchanged, the rest of the core software is up to the distributor, which is why it's very possible to find incredibly good Linux distributions as well as very poor distributions. Installation Where to Get FreeBSD The main ftp server is ftp.freebsd.org, and the FreeBSD home page is at www.freebsd.org. The ftp server will always have the most up-to-date version, freebsd-current, which is compiled daily. The FTP site also stores "RELEASE" and "STABLE" versions, which support various features and components based on the overall stability/reliability of the system (STABLE is more conservative). There are also several mirrors, you can get a list from the web page. Take notice that FreeBSD is quite large! If you just want a taste, download only the binary distribution or order the entire thing on cdrom from Walnut Creek: Walnut Creek CDROM 4041 Pike Lane, Suite D Concord CA 94520 1-800-786-9907, +1-510-674-0783, +1-510-674-0821 (fax) Or via the internet from orders@cdrom.com or http://www.cdrom.com. Their current catalog can be obtained via ftp from: ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/cdrom/catalog. Installing FreeBSD First you must download the needed files. Only the `bin' distribution is truly required, but I recommend all of the following: Bin All the binaries necessary to run the system (no source), this is mandatory. Manpages The FreeBSD manpages. They form the `manual' for the system. Doc FreeBSD specific documentation (very useful). Floppies The boot floppy images for the installation, currently you need two floppy disks for an installation (boot.flp and mfsroot.flp). Ports The FreeBSD ports library, a collection of Makefiles used to simplify the installation of ported software by automatically downloading, compiling, and patching the source code. Tools Some DOS utilities to help with the installation. In particular, the `rawrite.exe' utility can be used to write the boot images to a floppy, while the FIPS program can be used to safely resize partitions (like Partition Magic). XF86333 XFree86 3.3.3, freely available X distribution, provides support for graphical interfaces and software. Xbin Required binary X distribution. Xcfg Configuration files for XFree86 (required). Xdoc Documentation for XFree86 Xfnts Standard fonts for X (required) Xlib X libraries (required) Xman Manpages for X and the included sofware Xset XFree86 graphical configuration utility, needs XF86VG16. XSVGA SVGA server that supports most modern video boards. XVG16 Generic VGA16 server, 640x480 with 4-bit color Please remember, there are many other files to be downloaded for a truely complete distribution of FreeBSD and XFree86, these are just the basic requirements! Make a boot floppy. Use the `rawrite.exe' utility you downloaded from the `tools' directory to write the `boot.flp' and `mfsroot.flp' images to a blank 1.44MB floppy disk. Fortunately, the installation program contained on the boot floppy is quite intuitive and contains a good deal of documentation once you reach that phase of the installation. Insert the disk and reboot. Once your system reboots, you'll see a boot prompt, just press enter and the kernel will uncompress. You will be presented with a choice configuration or to skip the configuration. Kernel configuration will allow you to select what kind of hardware FreeBSD will probe for upon boot up. If you know what hardware you do and don't have, go ahead and enter the kernel configuration in `visual' mode (much easier) to remove the drivers you don't need. When finished, press `q' and the installation will continue. The installation program should automatically start, you will be presented with several choices, including different levels of installation (novice, expert, or custom), documentation, configuration, etc. It's generally recommended to choose `Novice' even if you aren't one, since the installation is simply easier. You're first task is to select and partition a disk for FreeBSD to reside on. If you have more than one hard disk you will be presented with a choice: [ ] wd0 [ ] wd1 These are your hard disks, the display might vary slightly depending on how many disks you have and whether or not you use SCSI devices (if so, the device names will be different. Essentially, disk 0 is the boot disk, and the others follow. To allocate space for installation, select a disk with the space bar. You can select and create partitions on as many disks as you like. Once you've selected a disk, fdisk will start. This is pretty self explanatory, select some free space (unallocated disk space) and hit `c' to create a partition. You will be asked for the size, if you want all the free space to be used by FreeBSD then just press enter, else enter a value for the size. You can append the suffix `M' to denote megabytes when entering your size values. After the size dialog, a type dialog will be displayed, it defaults to `165' (FreeBSD), just hit enter here. Then press `q' to exit. You will be asked to install a boot manager, it defaults to install to the master boot record. If you need to use another os (dos), then hit enter. Your next task is to divide the partition you created into slices. Slices are like sub-partitions of the primary partition. They form your primary UNIX filesystems, like /, /usr, /opt, and so on. In the disklabel program (which is run by the installation when fdisk is done), you will be able to select which partition to configure and view which slices you have made. Select your FreeBSD partition and hit `c' to create a new slice. You will need to enter a size, since this is your root, it should be 50M or greater in size (I use 150M, but it depends on the size of your partition (don't go under 30M)). Make sure you choose `Filesystem' when asked what type. Enter `/' (foreward slash) for the mount point. You have now created you're first FreeBSD slice, now for more. Hit `c' to create another slice, make this one larger as it will store your applications and X. The mount point will be `/usr'. Next you must create a swap slice. Hit `c', choose type `swap', and the size should be roughly twice that of your physical ram. Then hit 'q' once you've finished. You may also want a separate `/var' filesystem if you require space for mail, and log files, but it's not required. The slices will be created and you will be prompted to select which distributions you wish to install and where they are located. If you downloaded the distributions from the internet they generally need to be on a DOS partition under the `\freebsd' directory, with a separate directory for each distribution. For example, `c:\freebsd\bin' holds the binary distribution. If this is where your files are located, then the source media is `DOS'. You will have to select which distributions to install. `Minimal' installs just the `bin'. If you have downloaded just the distributions you want, then use `custom' to select them all. This is also true of XFree86, merely select what you've got, and choose a server for your monitor. When done, hit enter until you arrive at the main distribution menu, and then hit enter to install what you have selected. If everything went smoothly you will be asked to configure your system. This is all self explanatory. When complete, the system will reboot, and the boot manager will appear: F1... dos F2... BSD F5... disk2 Use the function keys to select the appropriate system (BSD), or the second disk, if that is where FreeBSD is located. FreeBSD will start and you will be presented with a login prompt. If you login as `root', you can configure the system using the included `sysinstall' utility: # /stand/sysinstall Getting Around in FreeBSD Getting around in FreeBSD is just like getting around in any other UNIX operating system. By default, however, FreeBSD doesn't launch X for a graphical interface. If you wish to start X up, you can type the following from the command line: # startx This starts up XFree86 and executes any commands contained inside your .xinitrc file. If this is your first time running FreeBSD, however, you'll need to configure Xfree86 first. # XF86Setup XF86Setup will launch the graphical configuration tool, but if you haven't installed the VGA server (XVG16 listed above), you can't use it. If this is the case, then you need to use: # xf86config Using the Ports Library FreeBSD contains a convenient group of ported applications that you can build right on your FreeBSD machine. You may also download precompiled binaries for the ports, but often find it more convenient to just keep the makefiles around for the entire ports library. Assuming you installed the ports library, you can use it very easily: # cd /usr/ports This will take you into the ports directory, which is subdivided by software categories (like archivers, www, net, etc.). You can `cd' to any of these subdirectories and then use the make command to build a specific program. Here's an example: # cd /usr/ports/net # cd radius # make # make install The commands above download, compile, and install the latest version of the RADIUS remote authentication port for FreeBSD. However, what if you didn't know exactly which piece of software you were looking for? You could easily search the ports library like this: # cd /usr/ports # make search key="tcp" Make will then display a list of all ports with "tcp" contained within the description. FreeBSD for Non-x86 Machines? Although porting projects are underway, unlike it's brothers NetBSD and OpenBSD, FreeBSD has no complete non-x86 ports at this time. However, ports to Alpha and SPARC architectures are underway and you can monitor their progress with the links below. FreeBSD for Alpha FreeBSD for SPARC More Information on FreeBSD As I'm barely scratching the surface here, and this article is by no means the only piece of FreeBSD information available online, I'd like to link a few points of reference. The FreeBSD Project Web Site Frequently Asked Questions About FreeBSD FreeBSD Handbook FreeBSD Mall Daemon News FreeBSD Powers Visual Effects in Matrix If you haven't done so already, take a look at my first article in this series, Home UNIX Boxen, Solaris x86. There's more to come soon, as I'll also be reviewing Linux shortly. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 12 10:23:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51F514CB6 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:23:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10795; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:23:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd010757; Wed May 12 10:23:17 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03623; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:23:16 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> Message-Id: <199905121723.KAA03623@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: desktop, was linus on BSD To: wes@softweyr.com (Wes Peters) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 17:23:15 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3738ACA5.EBC965C7@softweyr.com> from "Wes Peters" at May 11, 99 04:18:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > A workstation with IDE hardware? > > > > Oh, you mean a PC... > > Or a Darwin. No, not the Apple stuff, the Sun stuff. > > Are you (un)confused now? Oh, you don't mean a *work*station, you mean a *play*station... if you were doing work, you'd need to do I/O. Or do you have some other reason for doing all of your I/O serially, such that if you run more than one process (e.g. not just MS Word), all of your other processes suffer? IDE supports tagged command queueing, but IDE controllers and drives don't. IDE isn't just a one user toy -- it's a one user, one process, one I/O at a time toy. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 12 11:55:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68DB814BDB for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 12 May 1999 11:55:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA209789752; Wed, 12 May 1999 10:35:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:35:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola <billf@chc-chimes.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Cc: Joseph Scott <joseph@randomnetworks.com>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: O'Reilly Open Source Con in Aug 99, BSD? In-Reply-To: <59891.926464308@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-Id: <Pine.HPP.3.96.990512103536.20468A-100000@hp9000.chc-chimes.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 11 May 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Unfortunately, we couldn't get the people and so we won't be involved > in any significant sense. I'd already called in all my markers and > emptied the speaker barrel for the USENIX technical conference and > there just wasn't anything left over for O'Reilly. Fly me there, and I'll talk about anything you want. :> - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 12 16: 4: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from home (unknown [203.0.93.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253C115146 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:03:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jsutton@genesis.net.au) Received: from localhost (jsutton@localhost) by home (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA03061; Thu, 13 May 1999 09:03:52 +1000 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: stargate.home: jsutton owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:03:51 +1000 (EST) From: Joel Sutton <jsutton@genesis.net.au> X-Sender: jsutton@stargate.home Reply-To: Joel Sutton <jsutton@genesis.net.au> To: advocacy@freebsd.org Cc: vicfug@itworks.com.au Subject: Chuck gets his picture in Tuesday copy of the Australian Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990513083836.3020C-100000@stargate.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greetings all, Here is a copy of a article that caught my eye in the Australian on Tuesday. In fact, it wasn't the article that caught my eye. It was the picture of Chuck placed at the bottom of the article. The Melbourne Age, and the Australian, have a bias towards Linux articles so even printing the word "FreeBSD" is significant (as least it is to me ;->). Any publicity is better than none. Cheers, Joel... --- Joel Sutton | Busy Bee Consulting Phone: 0409 426-563 | Melbourne, Australia Email: jsutton@genesis.net.au | http://www.genesis.net.au/~jsutton VicFUG Webmaster/Acting President | http://www.vicfug.au.freebsd.org/ ---[snip]------------------------------------------------------------- Defrag by Kerrie Murphy "A mascot with the lot, thanks" Recently Defrag received an e-mail that reminded us we had not been making fun of all open source operating systems equally. Cale Pearce wrote: "There is FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD. Some mention of the above would be far more interesting than the usual Linux drivel encountered in most IT sections." This accusation concerns Defrag greatly because there are people in the world who feel the same about operating systems that members of the US National Rifle Association feel about firearms. If we even hint that we consider a particular operating system to be inferior, we will have to stop opening any packages sent to us - without the aid of a X-ray machine - if we want to keep all our fingers. What really got our attention was Cale's comment: "Chuck the daemon is so much cuter than the bloated penguin that can't even stand up". In the various arguments that are waged about the superiority of operating systems, very few people have the courage to play the "My operating system's mascot is cooler than yours" card. And Defrag has to concede that Cale has the facts in his favour, because in a fight between the two, the BSD daemon is definitely going to lay the smack down on that penguin. Beyond the Linux penguin's inability to stand, the daemon has a definite advantage in the form of a pitchfork. All the penguin has is a contented look. Given the clear-cut outcome of this debate, the question must be asked: how come this argument is not raised more often? The answer is simple: your mainstream operating systems have poxy mascots. Who is going to debate whether or not a coloured window with square bits streaming out of it is cooler than that smiley face thing Apple Mac has? Even if another operating system, such as say, OS/2 Warp was to run in and help one of the mascots by ganging up on the other, how much help is a diamond-shape with OS/2 written on it going to be? It has no arms. Therefore, if we are going to have any sensible discussion on the superiority of a given operating system, Windows and Apple are going to have to have an overhaul and adopt new, cute mascots. And what better place to start the ball rolling, than right here and right now? If you have any suggestions as to what creature would make a suitable mascot for either Apple or Windows, e-mail us at the address below and let us know why. Bear in mind that any contenders will have to at least stand a chance of beating the BSD daemon in a death match. murphyk@matp.newsltd.com.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 12 16:15:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6490615675 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:15:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA66493; Wed, 12 May 1999 16:12:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Bill Fumerola <billf@chc-chimes.com> Cc: Joseph Scott <joseph@randomnetworks.com>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: O'Reilly Open Source Con in Aug 99, BSD? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 12 May 1999 10:35:52 EDT." <Pine.HPP.3.96.990512103536.20468A-100000@hp9000.chc-chimes.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:12:42 -0700 Message-ID: <66490.926550762@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Tue, 11 May 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Unfortunately, we couldn't get the people and so we won't be involved > > in any significant sense. I'd already called in all my markers and > > emptied the speaker barrel for the USENIX technical conference and > > there just wasn't anything left over for O'Reilly. > > Fly me there, and I'll talk about anything you want. :> Did I forget to mention that O'Reilly doesn't pay speaker expenses? That makes it somewhat more difficult to find people. :( Not to pick on O'Reilly - this appears to be something of an emerging trend. About 75% of the invites I get to speak at conferences are "come on your own nickle please, we have no budget for speaker subsidies" and if Walnut Creek CDROM weren't paying the bill, I would speak far less often. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 12 18:52: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E7114F58 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:52:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id SAA29134; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id SAA11124; Wed, 12 May 1999 18:51:07 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn1.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA00637; Wed, 12 May 99 18:50:58 PDT Message-Id: <373A3002.174102BC@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 19:50:58 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Cc: Bill Fumerola <billf@chc-chimes.com>, Joseph Scott <joseph@randomnetworks.com>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: O'Reilly Open Source Con in Aug 99, BSD? References: <66490.926550762@zippy.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > On Tue, 11 May 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > > Unfortunately, we couldn't get the people and so we won't be involved > > > in any significant sense. I'd already called in all my markers and > > > emptied the speaker barrel for the USENIX technical conference and > > > there just wasn't anything left over for O'Reilly. > > > > Fly me there, and I'll talk about anything you want. :> > > Did I forget to mention that O'Reilly doesn't pay speaker expenses? > That makes it somewhat more difficult to find people. :( > > Not to pick on O'Reilly - this appears to be something of an emerging > trend. About 75% of the invites I get to speak at conferences are > "come on your own nickle please, we have no budget for speaker > subsidies" and if Walnut Creek CDROM weren't paying the bill, I would > speak far less often. Three cheers again for Walnut Creek CDROM, they're certainly great friends to have. ;^) I wish I could volunteer, but I'm up to my ears. I was supposed to be in cruise-mode by now, but somebody keeps breaking the software mine connects to, so I have to go fix THAT... One of these days I'll be able to go to these cool shows. <Sigh> -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 12 22:56:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (unknown [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF9314C57 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:56:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (homer.softweyr.com [204.68.178.39]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA29162; Wed, 12 May 1999 23:56:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <373A697B.B7A5D7DC@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:56:11 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: desktop, was linus on BSD References: <199905121723.KAA03623@usr08.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > A workstation with IDE hardware? > > > > > > Oh, you mean a PC... > > > > Or a Darwin. No, not the Apple stuff, the Sun stuff. > > > > Are you (un)confused now? > > Oh, you don't mean a *work*station, you mean a *play*station... > if you were doing work, you'd need to do I/O. > > Or do you have some other reason for doing all of your I/O > serially, such that if you run more than one process (e.g. > not just MS Word), all of your other processes suffer? > > IDE supports tagged command queueing, but IDE controllers and > drives don't. > > IDE isn't just a one user toy -- it's a one user, one process, one > I/O at a time toy. Let's review: Sun E250, 1x 300 Mhz UltraSPARC, a boatload of big, fast UWSCSI-3 drives. cd ~/builder/engr/src; make all: 44 minutes Sun Ultra5, 1x 333 Mhz UltraSPARC, one 4.3 GB Ultra-IDE drive. cd ~/builder/engr/src; make all: 49 minutes Doing that "make all," and the associated little makes, is why my workstation exists. What's even better is that we can tie them all into a "cluster" using pmake; this drops the "make all" time to 18 minutes at night when the office is quiet. I can buy a 13GB UltraIDE drive for the Ultra5, or my FreeBSD box, for $180, at a place close enough I can go there during lunch. Where's the win? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 13 8: 4:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from unix1.digital-web.net (unix1.digital-web.net [216.65.27.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE56E14ECE for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Thu, 13 May 1999 08:04:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph@randomnetworks.com) Received: from localhost (jmscott@localhost) by unix1.digital-web.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA42899; Thu, 13 May 1999 11:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:00:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Joseph Scott <joseph@randomnetworks.com> X-Sender: jmscott@unix1.digital-web.net Reply-To: Joseph Scott <joseph@randomnetworks.com> To: Joel Sutton <jsutton@genesis.net.au> Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, vicfug@itworks.com.au Subject: Re: Chuck gets his picture in Tuesday copy of the Australian In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990513083836.3020C-100000@stargate.home> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9905131058530.42106-100000@unix1.digital-web.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 13 May 1999, Joel Sutton wrote: > Greetings all, > > Here is a copy of a article that caught my eye in the Australian on > Tuesday. In fact, it wasn't the article that caught my eye. It was the > picture of Chuck placed at the bottom of the article. > > The Melbourne Age, and the Australian, have a bias towards Linux articles > so even printing the word "FreeBSD" is significant (as least it is to me > ;->). Any publicity is better than none. > > Cheers, Joel... > > ---[snip]------------------------------------------------------------- > > Defrag by Kerrie Murphy > > "A mascot with the lot, thanks" > Is there a URL for this article? Fun article. Joseph Scott joseph@randomnetworks.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 13 11:24:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from thneed.ubergeeks.com (thneed.ubergeeks.com [206.205.41.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9E21528A for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Thu, 13 May 1999 11:24:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adrian@ubergeeks.com) Received: from localhost (adrian@localhost) by thneed.ubergeeks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA37942 for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:23:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from adrian@ubergeeks.com) X-Authentication-Warning: thneed.ubergeeks.com: adrian owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 14:23:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Adrian Filipi-Martin <adrian@ubergeeks.com> Reply-To: Adrian Filipi-Martin <adrian@ubergeeks.com> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: time for another upgrade? Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9905131419260.37899-100000@thneed.ubergeeks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was showing the I/O stats page for ftp.cdrom.com to someone, and it's quite amazing. Does anyone have a total on the daily bandwidth over the last few days. Has it broken 1TB/day yet? The quake3 beta seems to have been enough to keep the 5K connections maxed for more thewn 72 hours straight! I'm stunned. :-o Adrian -- [ adrian@ubergeeks.com -- Ubergeeks Consulting -- http://www.ubergeeks.com/ ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 13 11:30:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from foobar.franken.de (foobar.franken.de [194.94.249.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F27814F2E for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 13 May 1999 11:30:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from logix@foobar.franken.de) Received: (from logix@localhost) by foobar.franken.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) id UAA19235; Thu, 13 May 1999 20:30:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990513203013.A19145@foobar.franken.de> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:30:13 +0200 From: Harold Gutch <logix@foobar.franken.de> To: Adrian Filipi-Martin <adrian@ubergeeks.com>, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: time for another upgrade? References: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9905131419260.37899-100000@thneed.ubergeeks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9905131419260.37899-100000@thneed.ubergeeks.com>; from Adrian Filipi-Martin on Thu, May 13, 1999 at 02:23:42PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 13, 1999 at 02:23:42PM -0400, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: > > I was showing the I/O stats page for ftp.cdrom.com to someone, and > it's quite amazing. Does anyone have a total on the daily bandwidth over > the last few days. Has it broken 1TB/day yet? > 1024^3 > 86400*10^8 There's no way to achieve 1TB/day with fast ethernet - and above I'm assuming a constant stream of 100MBps with no protocol overheads. Take all this into account and you're left with even less :). bye, Harold -- <Shabby> Sleep is an abstinence syndrome wich occurs due to lack of caffein. Wed Mar 4 04:53:33 CET 1998 #unix, ircnet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 13 11:33:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3170014D8A for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 13 May 1999 11:33:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA101725186; Thu, 13 May 1999 10:19:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:19:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola <billf@chc-chimes.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Cc: Joseph Scott <joseph@randomnetworks.com>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: O'Reilly Open Source Con in Aug 99, BSD? In-Reply-To: <66490.926550762@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-Id: <Pine.HPP.3.96.990513101659.9976B-100000@hp9000.chc-chimes.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 12 May 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Did I forget to mention that O'Reilly doesn't pay speaker expenses? > That makes it somewhat more difficult to find people. :( Wow. That really sucks. > Not to pick on O'Reilly - this appears to be something of an emerging > trend. About 75% of the invites I get to speak at conferences are > "come on your own nickle please, we have no budget for speaker > subsidies" and if Walnut Creek CDROM weren't paying the bill, I would > speak far less often. Pity. If it were something benficial to Computer Horizons, they could pick up the tab. Regretfully, I can find nothing (other then knowledge I'm gaining.) to convince them as such. I haven't put in for my USENIX expenses (I may pick them up personally). If I don't put in for USENIX, there is a slim, slim chance I could come out to the ORA conference. I know that doesn't help you much. :> - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 13 11:37:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from melete.ch.intel.com (melete.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC9E14C37; Thu, 13 May 1999 11:37:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by melete.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 1998/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id LAA28833; Thu, 13 May 1999 11:37:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.8 1999/04/16 15:25:49 steved Exp steved $) with ESMTP id LAA21494; Thu, 13 May 1999 11:37:50 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id OAA28959; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:37:50 -0400 (EDT) From: John Reynolds~ <jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14139.7164.841640.508301@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:37:48 -0700 (MST) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD's /stand/sysinstall looks nice ... X-Mailer: VM 6.70 under Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hey there, Last night one of my more rabid Linux-nut friends coerced me to take a copy of the RedHat 6.0 boot floppy and CheapBytes CD's from him (he bought lots to give away to people ...). I told him I wasn't going to install it but I would at least boot the floppy and see if it detected all my hardware correctly and see what the install looked like. It did detect all my scsi stuff correctly as well as other things which was cool ... however, as 'cute' as RedHat's install is (with its 3D-push-me-in-text buttons) I have to take my hat off (no pun intended ;-) to the folks who contributed to /stand/sysinstall. I've used FreeBSD since 2.0 and the install "look-n-feel" has stayed consistent but yet improved on every release. I have to say that /stand/sysinstall looks "cleaner" to me than the RedHat install. No holy war, just one man's opinion ;-) Major Kudos to Jordan and all that make the install process not only work but look good and consistent from release to release!!! I can't wait to get my hands on 3.2-RELEASE! --Happy FreeBSD User -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds CEG, CCE, Next Generation Flows, HLA | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 13 14: 6: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD3614D46 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:06:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06774; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905132103.OAA06774@implode.root.com> To: Harold Gutch <logix@foobar.franken.de> Cc: Adrian Filipi-Martin <adrian@ubergeeks.com>, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: time for another upgrade? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 May 1999 20:30:13 +0200." <19990513203013.A19145@foobar.franken.de> From: David Greenman <dg@root.com> Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 14:03:46 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >On Thu, May 13, 1999 at 02:23:42PM -0400, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: >> >> I was showing the I/O stats page for ftp.cdrom.com to someone, and >> it's quite amazing. Does anyone have a total on the daily bandwidth over >> the last few days. Has it broken 1TB/day yet? >> >1024^3 > 86400*10^8 > >There's no way to achieve 1TB/day with fast ethernet - and above >I'm assuming a constant stream of 100MBps with no protocol >overheads. Take all this into account and you're left with even >less :). The current record is 969GB. We'd have to have 0% global packet loss and do large packets with everyone to get over the 1TB point with fast ethernet. We plan to move to gigabit ethernet at some point soon, however. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 13 14:48:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hostigos.otherwhen.com (mavery-gw.pernet.net [205.229.2.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8D515430 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 13 May 1999 14:48:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mavery@mail.otherwhen.com) Received: from mail.otherwhen.com (mail.2.229.205.in-addr.arpa [205.229.2.19] (may be forged)) by hostigos.otherwhen.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27048 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:59:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199905132159.QAA27048@hostigos.otherwhen.com> Received: from PORKY/SpoolDir by mail.otherwhen.com (Mercury 1.44); 13 May 99 16:48:12 -0600 Received: from SpoolDir by PORKY (Mercury 1.44); 13 May 99 16:48:09 -0600 From: "Mike Avery" <mavery@mail.otherwhen.com> To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 16:48:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: time for another upgrade? Reply-To: mavery@mail.otherwhen.com In-reply-to: <199905132103.OAA06774@implode.root.com> References: Your message of "Thu, 13 May 1999 20:30:13 +0200." <19990513203013.A19145@foobar.franken.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.10) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 13 May 99, at 14:03, David Greenman wrote: > >On Thu, May 13, 1999 at 02:23:42PM -0400, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: > >> I was showing the I/O stats page for ftp.cdrom.com to someone, and > >> it's quite amazing. Does anyone have a total on the daily bandwidth > >> over the last few days. Has it broken 1TB/day yet? > >1024^3 > 86400*10^8 Hmmm - should that be 1024^3 or 1000^3? I suspect it depends on who you talk to. The difference is between 1,073,741,824 and 1,000,000,000,000. Not a big difference - around 7%. > >There's no way to achieve 1TB/day with fast ethernet - and above > >I'm assuming a constant stream of 100MBps with no protocol > >overheads. Take all this into account and you're left with even > >less :). > The current record is 969GB. We'd have to have 0% global packet > loss and do large packets with everyone to get over the 1TB point > with fast ethernet. We plan to move to gigabit ethernet at some > point soon, however. Perhaps Microsoft should have used cdrom.com to distribute their last NT service pack.... it was withdrawn the same day it was released - the demand was more than their systems could tolerate. They plan to re-release on the 19th. (I wonder if they hope their customers will all be off at the Star Wars Episode One on it's opening day, minimizing the load. Or if they hope the traffic on the net opening day will protect them from a heavy load.) Mike ====================================================================== Mike Avery MAvery@mail.otherwhen.com (409)-842-2942 (work) ICQ: 16241692 * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day: If it jams - force it . If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 13 15:39:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from relay03.netaddress.usa.net (relay03.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.183]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1FC9615184 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Thu, 13 May 1999 15:39:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 779 invoked from network); 13 May 1999 22:39:48 -0000 Received: from nw173.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.73) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 13 May 1999 22:39:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 9323 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 1999 22:39:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19990513223948.9322.qmail@nw173.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.73 by nw173 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Thu May 13 22:39:48 GMT 1999 Date: 13 May 99 15:39:48 PDT From: Jesus Monroy <jesus.monroy@usa.net> To: Sam Stephenson <sam@conio.net>, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Trademarks] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'll donate $20 to the cause. Jessem. -------------------------------------- Sam Stephenson <sam@conio.net> wrote: > How difficult of a process would it be to get the name "FreeBSD" and th= e > slogan "The power to serve" trademarked? Would the grant money cover th= is? > I think it'd be very cool to be able to say "FreeBSD(R)." It might earn= > more respect with the corporate professionals as well. > = > --Sam Stephenson > sam@conio.net > = > = > = > = > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message --- IN that context, it is the BSD that should be considered, not the prefix. http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/cgi-bin/newsread?34858 ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 13 15:52:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from relay03.netaddress.usa.net (relay03.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.183]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 37A6214C98 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Thu, 13 May 1999 15:52:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 2354 invoked from network); 13 May 1999 22:52:12 -0000 Received: from www0a.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.30) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 13 May 1999 22:52:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 5479 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 1999 22:52:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19990513225212.5478.qmail@www0a.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.30 by www0a via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Thu May 13 22:52:11 GMT 1999 Date: 13 May 99 15:52:11 PDT From: Jesus Monroy <jesus.monroy@usa.net> To: Donald Wilde <dwilde1@thuntek.net>, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Re: http://www.freebsd.org/features.html] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Donald Wilde <dwilde1@thuntek.net> wrote: > Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > = > > Also, we have the "three stage boot loader". For us who know why it > > is needed, it sounds wonderful. For outsiders, it looks like things > > goes through a lot of different steps, all of them requiring > > interaction with the user (well, that's what people would dread). > > = > Ummm, I like that, actually. To most people, it makes us rocket-powered= ! > Sorry to get in on this late, but I'm just now starting to catch up. = I agree with Daniel. It makes thing sound complicated. However, Donald makes a good point. The "three stage" part sounds good, but "boot" makes it sound like we are still working with old antiqated concepts. Perhaps something like: "three stage system launcher" that powers you into advanced computing. :-) Just a thought. = --- IN that context, it is the BSD that should be considered, not the prefix. http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/cgi-bin/newsread?34858 ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 13 15:59:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nwcst021.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst021.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CE2A315210 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Thu, 13 May 1999 15:59:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 29562 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 1999 22:59:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19990513225949.29561.qmail@nwcst021.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.21 by nwcst021 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Thu May 13 22:59:49 GMT 1999 Date: 13 May 99 15:59:49 PDT From: Jesus Monroy <jesus.monroy@usa.net> To: Jordan K.Hubbard <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>, Daniel C.Sobral <dcs@newsguy.com> Subject: Re: [Re: Ombudsman (sp? :) ] Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> wrote: > > Could we have an ombudsman list? Ie, a mailing address for complains > > about us? While I fear it might get spammed with Brett Glass > > messages, I'm concerned that there isn't any obvious place for users > > to express their dissatisfactions. > = > Hmmmm. You mean like complaints@freebsd.org or something? Is it also > OK if nobody from core actually subscribes to it? :-) > = Sorry I'm late on the discussion. First, I think this is a good idea, but I think it needs to have some kind of redering process where this information is used. Otherwise, it's just a blackhole. :-) --- IN that context, it is the BSD that should be considered, not the prefix. http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/cgi-bin/newsread?34858 ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 13 16:18:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from relay02.netaddress.usa.net (relay02.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C254C14E76 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:18:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 8162 invoked from network); 13 May 1999 23:18:38 -0000 Received: from nwcst067.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.67) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 13 May 1999 23:18:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 6627 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 1999 23:18:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19990513231838.6626.qmail@nwcst067.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.67 by nwcst067 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Thu May 13 23:18:37 GMT 1999 Date: 13 May 99 16:18:37 PDT From: Jesus Monroy <jesus.monroy@usa.net> To: advocacy@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: BUDS Coming to you soon. X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The anti-spamer is a PITA. One more time. BTW, I'll be at BAFUG tonight. Jessem. ----------------------------------------------- BUDS Coming to you soon. BUDS (BSD Unix Distributed Simple-ly) 1999-05-13 The Digital Marshalls[4] are proud to annouce the the coming of a new shared resoure for the FreeBSD development community. = BUDS, BSD Unix Distributed Simple-ly, is "general purpose" cluster system= for FreeBSD. The system uses a PC/workstation design for parallelized tas= king and distributed computing experiments. Details for BUDS are at: http://www.mozie.com/projects/buds/index.html As more information becomes available it will be announced. = In the mean time we hope that the development community will = consider the following topics for this system. o........ Deep Recursion Testing[1] o........ Permuntation Compilation of the GENERIC Kernel[2] o........ Custom Packaging of FreeBSD[3] o........ Individual Experimenting[4] Donations for this project were provided by the Digital Marshalls, DVBS (www.videotechnology.com) and Tom Sailers of Editor of = The Cheap Sheet (http://www.thesoftroute.com/humor.htm). --- [1] Deep Recursion Testing Recursive testing of known bugs and pasts bugs to test for their possible reintroduction in to the kernel tree. [2] Permuntation Compilation of the GENERIC Kernel Currently, the make for the kernel has bugs which do not allow certain parts of it to be compiled cleans. For instance, commenting out the controller 'pci0' and trying to build the kernel will provide many errors. The idea would be to compile all permutations of the GENERIC kernel so that these bugs/errors would be elminated. [3] Custom Packaging of FreeBSD The thought is to be able to provide users with custom kernel with the exact needs according to their hardware and software specifications. This could possibly be part of a commerial = project that would charge end-users a minial fee, of which a percentage would go to the FreeBSD Project. = [4] Individual Experimenting This means that any individual part of the FreeBSD community could use this project for whatever they wanted. [5] The Digital Marshalls are: Terje Oseberg, programmer extraordinare from SRI Jonathan Walters, gopher and head pipe cleaner Jesus Monroy, hack and annoying FreeBSD advocate --- IN that context, it is the BSD that should be considered, not the prefix. http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/cgi-bin/newsread?34858 ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 13 16:41:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.vnet.net (smtp2.vnet.net [166.82.1.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040AE14EF3 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:41:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rivers@dignus.com) Received: from dignus.com (ponds.vnet.net [166.82.177.48]) by smtp2.vnet.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA06759; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lakes.dignus.com (lakes.dignus.com [10.0.0.3]) by dignus.com (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA04478; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes.dignus.com (8.9.2/8.6.9) id TAA44841; Thu, 13 May 1999 19:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 19:41:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas David Rivers <rivers@dignus.com> Message-Id: <199905132341.TAA44841@lakes.dignus.com> To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, jesus.monroy@usa.net Subject: Re: BUDS Coming to you soon. In-Reply-To: <19990513231838.6626.qmail@nwcst067.netaddress.usa.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > o........ Deep Recursion Testing[1] I believe you mean Regression testing here. At least, the description you provided fits the definition of Regression testing. > o........ Permuntation Compilation of the GENERIC Kernel[2] Uh.. I believe you mean "Permutation", right? But, if you simply count the number of options, devices and controllers in the LINT config on 3.1 you get 313. Let's simplify this and pretend they are all either yes-or-no options. That makes for a *lot* (2 to the 313) of different kernels which will take quite some time to compile... (longer than your lifetime?) Perhaps a more realistic testing paradigm should be employed? Also, I suggest that -hackers isn't appropriate for this... - Dave Rivers - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 13 16:55:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from relay05.netaddress.usa.net (relay05.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A117615320 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 13 May 1999 16:55:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 3940 invoked from network); 13 May 1999 23:55:27 -0000 Received: from www0g.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.36) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 13 May 1999 23:55:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 25448 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 1999 23:55:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19990513235527.25447.qmail@www0g.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.36 by www0g via web-mailer(M3.0.0.118) on Thu May 13 23:55:27 GMT 1999 Date: 13 May 99 16:55:27 PDT From: Jesus Monroy <jesus.monroy@usa.net> To: Thomas David Rivers <rivers@dignus.com>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, jesus.monroy@usa.net Subject: Re: [Re: BUDS Coming to you soon.] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.118) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thomas David Rivers <rivers@dignus.com> wrote: > > o........ Deep Recursion Testing[1] > = > I believe you mean Regression testing here. At least, the > description you provided fits the definition of Regression testing. > = I guess so. As many people know, my english is not always what it should be. :-) > > o........ Permuntation Compilation of the GENERIC Kernel[2] > = > = > Uh.. I believe you mean "Permutation", right? > = Yes, I thought I check the spelling.... = > But, if you simply count the number of options, devices and > controllers in the LINT config on 3.1 you get 313. Let's simplify > this and pretend they are all either yes-or-no options. > = > That makes for a *lot* (2 to the 313) of different kernels which will = > take quite some time to compile... (longer than your lifetime?) > = > Perhaps a more realistic testing paradigm should be employed? > = I'm open to suggestions. But I think I will have = normal lifetime. :-) > Also, I suggest that -hackers isn't appropriate for this... > = Why not? I'm open to their suggestions, discussions and hacks. :-) --- IN that context, it is the BSD that should be considered, not the prefix. http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/cgi-bin/newsread?34858 ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 13 17:12: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.vnet.net (smtp1.vnet.net [166.82.1.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C822414EAF for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 13 May 1999 17:12:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rivers@dignus.com) Received: from dignus.com (ponds.vnet.net [166.82.177.48]) by smtp1.vnet.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA27394; Thu, 13 May 1999 20:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lakes.dignus.com (lakes.dignus.com [10.0.0.3]) by dignus.com (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04516; Thu, 13 May 1999 20:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes.dignus.com (8.9.2/8.6.9) id UAA44965; Thu, 13 May 1999 20:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:11:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas David Rivers <rivers@dignus.com> Message-Id: <199905140011.UAA44965@lakes.dignus.com> To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, jesus.monroy@usa.net, rivers@dignus.com Subject: Re: [Re: BUDS Coming to you soon.] In-Reply-To: <19990513235527.25447.qmail@www0g.netaddress.usa.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > That makes for a *lot* (2 to the 313) of different kernels which will > > > take quite some time to compile... (longer than your lifetime?) > > > > > Perhaps a more realistic testing paradigm should be employed? > > > > I'm open to suggestions. But I think I will have > normal lifetime. :-) Uh.. I don't think you quite grasp what I'm saying... While I wish you a robust health and have no thoughts about your life expectancy, I don't believe you could complete this task in a normal lifetime. I don't believe you could complete this task in the amount of time equivalent to the age of the universe... it's a *lot* of time! 2 to the 313th power is a *very* *big* number... (hmm.... I wonder how much paper would be required to print it out; do we have that many trees in the world? If we consider all the trees ever grown on the planet, is that enough? What if we made the font *really* small :-) ) And, I'd daresay that by the time you did try and build each permutation, there'd be quite a few more added :-) Adding just one more config option *doubles* the amount of tests you have to do... (so, you went from impossible in the amount of time left in the universe to two times that, with just *one* option.) Testing is a laudable goal... but permutation testing often can't be accomplished. Perhaps you should simply try and determine, say, the top 20 hardware configuarations and test the kernel configuarations that match those. You might be able to expand that number to, say, the top 100, etc... - Dave Rivers - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 13 17:23: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from foobar.franken.de (foobar.franken.de [194.94.249.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4212515414 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 13 May 1999 17:23:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from logix@foobar.franken.de) Received: (from logix@localhost) by foobar.franken.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) id CAA20174; Fri, 14 May 1999 02:22:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990514022250.A20115@foobar.franken.de> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 02:22:50 +0200 From: Harold Gutch <logix@foobar.franken.de> To: Thomas David Rivers <rivers@dignus.com>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, jesus.monroy@usa.net Subject: Re: [Re: BUDS Coming to you soon.] References: <19990513235527.25447.qmail@www0g.netaddress.usa.net> <199905140011.UAA44965@lakes.dignus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199905140011.UAA44965@lakes.dignus.com>; from Thomas David Rivers on Thu, May 13, 1999 at 08:11:59PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 13, 1999 at 08:11:59PM -0400, Thomas David Rivers wrote: > > > > > That makes for a *lot* (2 to the 313) of different kernels which will > > > > > take quite some time to compile... (longer than your lifetime?) > > > > > > > > Perhaps a more realistic testing paradigm should be employed? > > > > > > > I'm open to suggestions. But I think I will have > > normal lifetime. :-) > > Uh.. I don't think you quite grasp what I'm saying... While I > wish you a robust health and have no thoughts about your > life expectancy, I don't believe you could complete this task in > a normal lifetime. I don't believe you could complete this task > in the amount of time equivalent to the age of the universe... > it's a *lot* of time! > > 2 to the 313th power is a *very* *big* number... (hmm.... I wonder > how much paper would be required to print it out; do we have that > many trees in the world? If we consider all the trees ever grown > on the planet, is that enough? What if we made the font *really* > small :-) ) > It's a big number, yes, but it's not _that_ big: 2^313 ~ 2^(10*31) == (2^10)^31 ~ 1000^31 == (10^3)^31 == 10^93 A 1 with 93 zeroes (or at least something roughly in that range). Nevertheless it's far too high to ever have every possible kernel built - at least with today's technology :). bye, Harold -- <Shabby> Sleep is an abstinence syndrome wich occurs due to lack of caffein. Wed Mar 4 04:53:33 CET 1998 #unix, ircnet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 13 17:36:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9BD14E94 for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Thu, 13 May 1999 17:36:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marko@uk.radan.com) Received: from [158.152.75.22] (helo=uk.radan.com) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10i5xc-0001sG-0C; Fri, 14 May 1999 00:36:21 +0000 Organisation: Radan Computational Ltd., Bath, UK. Phone: +44-1225-320320 Fax: +44-1225-320311 Received: from marder-1. (rasnt-1 [193.114.228.211]) by uk.radan.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id BAA00754; Fri, 14 May 1999 01:35:49 +0100 Received: (from marko@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.2/8.8.8) id BAA00566; Fri, 14 May 1999 01:35:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from marko) Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 01:35:24 +0100 From: Mark Ovens <marko@uk.radan.com> To: Mike Avery <mavery@mail.otherwhen.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: time for another upgrade? Message-ID: <19990514013524.B255@marder-1> References: <19990513203013.A19145@foobar.franken.de> <199905132103.OAA06774@implode.root.com> <199905132159.QAA27048@hostigos.otherwhen.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <199905132159.QAA27048@hostigos.otherwhen.com>; from Mike Avery on Thu, May 13, 1999 at 04:48:09PM -0500 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 13, 1999 at 04:48:09PM -0500, Mike Avery wrote: > > Perhaps Microsoft should have used cdrom.com to distribute their > last NT service pack.... it was withdrawn the same day it was > released - Is this the Service Pack to fix the bugs introduced in Service Pack 4? Like the bug that broke rcp? C:\> rcp -b unix_box:/usr/home/file_name . [~60 sec pause] Permission denied: .\file_name C:\> Note the ``permission denied'' error is on the *local* (i.e. NT) drive, not the remote Unix box. ROFL. > the demand was more than their systems could tolerate. > They plan to re-release on the 19th. (I wonder if they hope their > customers will all be off at the Star Wars Episode One on it's > opening day, minimizing the load. Or if they hope the traffic on the > net opening day will protect them from a heavy load.) > > Mike > > ====================================================================== > Mike Avery MAvery@mail.otherwhen.com > (409)-842-2942 (work) > ICQ: 16241692 > > * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * > > A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day: > If it jams - force it . If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > -- Y2K-Y Jelly: Allows you to insert four digits where previously you could only insert two. FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~markov _______________________________________________________________ Mark Ovens, CNC Apps Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd. Bath UK CAD/CAM solutions for Sheetmetal Working Industry mailto:marko@uk.radan.com http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 13 17:49:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.vnet.net (smtp2.vnet.net [166.82.1.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2AFE14FD5 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Thu, 13 May 1999 17:49:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rivers@dignus.com) Received: from dignus.com (ponds.vnet.net [166.82.177.48]) by smtp2.vnet.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA13534; Thu, 13 May 1999 20:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lakes.dignus.com (lakes.dignus.com [10.0.0.3]) by dignus.com (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04614; Thu, 13 May 1999 20:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes.dignus.com (8.9.2/8.6.9) id UAA45243; Thu, 13 May 1999 20:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:49:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas David Rivers <rivers@dignus.com> Message-Id: <199905140049.UAA45243@lakes.dignus.com> To: advocacy@freebsd.org, jesus.monroy@usa.net, licia@o-o.org, rivers@dignus.com Subject: Re: [Re: BUDS Coming to you soon.] In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9905131916060.3370-100000@o-o.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Uhm, not to be a nitpicker, but 2^313 isn't -that- huge, according to bc, > it's > > 166873987181321100187111070794496258953336290809113497652112625611110\ > 91607661254297054391304192 > > Which is a lot of kernels, but I could print it out on a 3x5 note card pretty > easily ;) > > Are you sure that's right? Seems kinda small to me :-) But, I'm wrong more than I care to admit :-) So, 2**64 is 18446744073709551615 (according to "%qu") - 20 digits, seems like 2**313 is going to be a lot longer... let's say we gain a 10's place digit for every 4 powers of two (which is, of course, way conservative, as you actually gain more than one 10s digit.) 313-64 is 249; 249/4 is 62... Hmm... seems like you're right - you should have about 20+62 with my quick conservative math - and you have about 100 digits up there (I didn't count them.. just guessed) So - yep - you could print it on a 3x5 card :-) But - it still is an awful lot of kernels... How long does it take to build a single kernel - say, a minute, or better, say, 30 seconds... let's make that a power of two and say, uh, 32 seconds (2**5). So, we need 2**5 * 2**313 total seconds... that's 2**318 seconds. Again, fudging a little on the math; let's pretend that a minute is 64 seconds instead of 60 - which is 2**6. So, we need 2**312 minutes. Again, fudging and saying an hour is 64 minutes, we'd need 2**306 hours. (bc could likely figure this out much more precisely - but I'm "thinking with my fingers") Fudging again, and saying there are 32 hours in a day, that's 2**301 days. If we make a week 8 days long, that's 2**298 weeks. Making a year 64 weeks long (we are *really* stretching things here, but I think we're stretching in the "right" way), that makes 2**293 years. Make a millenium 1024 years, and we have 2**283 millenia. If I've kept everything straight - that's an *awfully* long time :-) Maybe I've messed up along the way... so, just lop off a whole chunk of years and say 2**250 millenia... Now, how old is the universe? Of course, there are other ways to tackle the problem: If you had 8 billion people (2**33) (the world has about 6 billion people on it, right now) and each did, say 2*280 kernel builds a night, you could get it in one night. Let's give each of these 8 billion people 4 computers. That's 2**35 computers - so, each computer only needs to do 2**278 kernel builds per night... :-) :-) :-) - Dave Rivers - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 13 18: 6:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.vnet.net (smtp1.vnet.net [166.82.1.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DFCC151A0 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Thu, 13 May 1999 18:06:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rivers@dignus.com) Received: from dignus.com (ponds.vnet.net [166.82.177.48]) by smtp1.vnet.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA03286; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lakes.dignus.com (lakes.dignus.com [10.0.0.3]) by dignus.com (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04667; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes.dignus.com (8.9.2/8.6.9) id VAA45328; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:06:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas David Rivers <rivers@dignus.com> Message-Id: <199905140106.VAA45328@lakes.dignus.com> To: advocacy@freebsd.org, rivers@dignus.com Subject: Re: [Re: BUDS Coming to you soon.] Cc: jesus.monroy@usa.net In-Reply-To: <373B7585.21FC7A73@softweyr.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > 2 to the 313th power is a *very* *big* number... (hmm.... I wonder > > how much paper would be required to print it out; do we have that > > many trees in the world? If we consider all the trees ever grown > > on the planet, is that enough? What if we made the font *really* > > small :-) ) > > No. Someone once commented that the 2^128 possible IPv6 address space > is enough to give every atom in the universe an IP address, so you'd > have to be able to print your number on subatomic particles to even > be able to print 2^313, let alone do something with it. > > > Perhaps you should simply try and determine, say, the top > > 20 hardware configuarations and test the kernel configuarations > > that match those. You might be able to expand that number to, > > say, the top 100, etc... > > Some study of the relevant books and articles on software testing > methodology would be a good starting point. > I have another suggestion. If we neglect interstellar travel time: there are <1000 billion stars in the milky way, assume each has one inhabited planet with an average of 8M people, each with 4 computers, so that means that (2**43 planets)(2**33 people/planet)(2*2 computers per person) means each person still has to do 2**235 compiles per "night" maybe we could ship them a new CD every night? :-) :-) :-) (I'm sorry, but me and a couple of friends have gone off the deep end tonight... :-) ) - Dave Rivers - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 13 18:25: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 404611522E; Thu, 13 May 1999 18:25:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id LAA26670; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:24:56 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990514112448.12749@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 11:24:48 +1000 From: Sue Blake <sue@welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Sydney (BUGS) meeting Sunday - we need numbers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If you're coming to the inaugural user group meeting on Sunday, could you let us know soon if possible so we can break the news gently to the restaurant? Last minute arrivals are OK, but approximate numbers will really help. Our intimate little chat over lunch has grown so much we'll have to ask the restaurant to build a table to hold us all. So far about 15 have said they're coming for sure. Let's take the place over, show them we're a force to be reckoned with! :-) To add your name, write to our BUGS list if you're on it or just reply to me, ASAP. Mailing List: send "subscribe bugs" to majordomo@welearn.com.au Meeting Details: This time it's at a Chinese restaurant at Hornsby, not far from the station, on Sunday 16 May at midday. On the day we'll plan somewhere more geekish for future meetings. It's at Kwantung Palace (licensed but not expensive) Cnr Government Rd (off Pacific Hwy) and Pound Rd, Hornsby That's approximately 100m south of Hornsby Station. (If you're coming on the train from the North/Central coast, ride in the front carriage and make typing motions in the air so we can recognise you :-) Current group, list, and meeting details are always available by sending a blank message to the info bot at bugs-info@welearn.com.au -- Regards, -*Sue*- (` ;) '` <-- a moulting +0 budgerigar named Einstein ' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 14 1:22:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from thneed.ubergeeks.com (thneed.ubergeeks.com [206.205.41.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39EE1551F for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 14 May 1999 01:22:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adrian@ubergeeks.com) Received: from localhost (adrian@localhost) by thneed.ubergeeks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA06410; Fri, 14 May 1999 04:21:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from adrian@ubergeeks.com) X-Authentication-Warning: thneed.ubergeeks.com: adrian owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 04:21:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Adrian Filipi-Martin <adrian@ubergeeks.com> Reply-To: Adrian Filipi-Martin <adrian@ubergeeks.com> To: Harold Gutch <logix@foobar.franken.de> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: time for another upgrade? In-Reply-To: <19990513203013.A19145@foobar.franken.de> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9905140349080.6313-100000@thneed.ubergeeks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 13 May 1999, Harold Gutch wrote: > On Thu, May 13, 1999 at 02:23:42PM -0400, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: > > > > I was showing the I/O stats page for ftp.cdrom.com to someone, and > > it's quite amazing. Does anyone have a total on the daily bandwidth over > > the last few days. Has it broken 1TB/day yet? > > > 1024^3 > 86400*10^8 Not quite. Assuming you meant 1024^4, you are still mixing units. Asumnig 10 bits to transmit a byte, you only get 86400*10^7 bytes per day. > > There's no way to achieve 1TB/day with fast ethernet - and above > I'm assuming a constant stream of 100MBps with no protocol > overheads. Take all this into account and you're left with even > less :). I was under the impression that the new machine was on gigabit ethernet. As you correctly point out it is impossible to do 1TB on 100Mbps ethernet. In fact you cannot even do the 969GB/day cited in the upgrade press release. 969*2^30*10/86400 == 120,423,128bps. This agrees with what the stats pages are reporting today. I just figure with the lack of any significant drops in usage over a 24 hour period they might have made up the missing 50GB to claim a full TB per day. Adrian -- [ adrian@ubergeeks.com -- Ubergeeks Consulting -- http://www.ubergeeks.com/ ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 14 1:31:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC70C1551F for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 14 May 1999 01:31:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA08679; Fri, 14 May 1999 01:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905140829.BAA08679@implode.root.com> To: Adrian Filipi-Martin <adrian@ubergeeks.com> Cc: Harold Gutch <logix@foobar.franken.de>, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: time for another upgrade? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 14 May 1999 04:21:38 EDT." <Pine.BSF.4.05.9905140349080.6313-100000@thneed.ubergeeks.com> From: David Greenman <dg@root.com> Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 01:29:02 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >On Thu, 13 May 1999, Harold Gutch wrote: > >> On Thu, May 13, 1999 at 02:23:42PM -0400, Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: >> > >> > I was showing the I/O stats page for ftp.cdrom.com to someone, and >> > it's quite amazing. Does anyone have a total on the daily bandwidth over >> > the last few days. Has it broken 1TB/day yet? >> > >> 1024^3 > 86400*10^8 > > Not quite. Assuming you meant 1024^4, you are still mixing units. >Asumnig 10 bits to transmit a byte, you only get 86400*10^7 bytes per day. > >> >> There's no way to achieve 1TB/day with fast ethernet - and above >> I'm assuming a constant stream of 100MBps with no protocol >> overheads. Take all this into account and you're left with even >> less :). > > I was under the impression that the new machine was on gigabit >ethernet. As you correctly point out it is impossible to do 1TB on 100Mbps >ethernet. In fact you cannot even do the 969GB/day cited in the upgrade >press release. 969*2^30*10/86400 == 120,423,128bps. This agrees with what >the stats pages are reporting today. Wrong, sort of. GB = 1 billion bytes in this case, not 2^30. [implode:dg] bc bc 1.03 (Nov 2, 1994) Copyright (C) 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. For details type `warranty'. scale=10 100000000/8 12500000.0000000000 12500000*60*60*24 1080000000000 ...or 1.08 trillion bytes. With 7% global packet loss, plus 3% packet overhead (which includes layer 2 and layer 3/4 overhead), the result is about 970GB. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 14 5: 1:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09AFE14CE6 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 14 May 1999 05:01:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA42619; Fri, 14 May 1999 14:01:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Adrian Filipi-Martin <adrian@ubergeeks.com> Cc: Harold Gutch <logix@foobar.franken.de>, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: time for another upgrade? References: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9905140349080.6313-100000@thneed.ubergeeks.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no> Date: 14 May 1999 14:00:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: Adrian Filipi-Martin's message of "Fri, 14 May 1999 04:21:38 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: <xzp1zgj5090.fsf@localhost.ping.uio.no> Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Adrian Filipi-Martin <adrian@ubergeeks.com> writes: > I was under the impression that the new machine was on gigabit > ethernet. As you correctly point out it is impossible to do 1TB on 100Mbps > ethernet. In fact you cannot even do the 969GB/day cited in the upgrade > press release. 969*2^30*10/86400 == 120,423,128bps. This agrees with what > the stats pages are reporting today. Why are you counting 10 bits per byte? Ethernet doesn't have start/stop bits. OTOH, I wonder if the Ethernet preamble and trailer have to be subtracted from the 100 Mbps figure... DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 14 5: 5:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302A615363 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 14 May 1999 05:05:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA42637; Fri, 14 May 1999 14:05:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Thomas David Rivers <rivers@dignus.com> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, jesus.monroy@usa.net, licia@o-o.org Subject: Re: [Re: BUDS Coming to you soon.] References: <199905140049.UAA45243@lakes.dignus.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no> Date: 14 May 1999 14:05:09 +0200 In-Reply-To: Thomas David Rivers's message of "Thu, 13 May 1999 20:49:35 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: <xzpyair3lhm.fsf@localhost.ping.uio.no> Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thomas David Rivers <rivers@dignus.com> writes: > So, 2**64 is 18446744073709551615 (according to "%qu") - 20 digits, > seems like 2**313 is going to be a lot longer... let's say we gain > a 10's place digit for every 4 powers of two (which is, of course, > way conservative, as you actually gain more than one 10s digit.) > 313-64 is 249; 249/4 is 62... Yeah. 2^313 is a 1 followed by 313 zeroes (in binary). DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 14 6: 8:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hamhae.wdb.co.kr (hamhae.wdb.co.kr [210.92.121.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C049914DA1 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Fri, 14 May 1999 06:08:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjh@hamhae.wdb.co.kr) Received: (from cjh@localhost) by hamhae.wdb.co.kr (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA54673; Fri, 14 May 1999 22:08:00 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from cjh) To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD not in LinuxExpo '99? From: "CHOI, Junho" <cjh@wdb.co.kr> Date: 14 May 1999 22:07:59 +0900 Message-ID: <86iu9v94uo.fsf@hamhae.wdb.co.kr> Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I'll go to LinuxExpo '99 in Raleigh, NC, from May 17. I looked at the exhibitors list but I found only OpenBSD... FreeBSD doesn't have a booth on there? I hope to meet FreeBSD people although I goes to there for Linux. :) -- ** Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my employers ** CHOI, Junho <mailto:cjh@kr.freebsd.org> - Korea FreeBSD Users Group <http://www.kr.freebsd.org/~cjh> - Web Data Bank Co. Seoul., ROK. <http://www.wdb.co.kr> (+82-2-515-9941) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 14 7:30:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from thor.inlink.com (thor.inlink.com [206.196.96.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4D71570B for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 14 May 1999 07:30:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rayseals@midwestis.com) Received: from sparc.midwestis.com (sparc.midwestis.com [206.196.126.220]) by thor.inlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA13707 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 14 May 1999 09:30:08 -0500 Received: from rseals ([204.193.71.50] (may be forged)) by sparc.midwestis.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16887 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 14 May 1999 09:30:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "Ray Seals" <rayseals@midwestis.com> To: "Freebsd-Advocacy" <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: The State of Illinois Vs. FreeBSD - One guy's tale. Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:32:21 -0500 Message-ID: <NBBBIGBEGKMGELCBGGOMCEPCCJAA.rayseals@midwestis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I wanted to get custom plates for my car. I found that FreeBSD was not taken so I sent my check into the Sec. of State. I received a call from them this morning asking what did "FreeBSD" mean. I explained that it dealt with computers (older lady). They told me that they were rejecting my request. They then explained that they were rejecting it because "FreeBSD" could be thought to mean "Free Base". Bummed. Ray PS. Know where I can get some bumper stickers??????? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 14 8: 5:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hostigos.otherwhen.com (mavery-gw.pernet.net [205.229.2.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1347915427 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 14 May 1999 08:05:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mavery@mail.otherwhen.com) Received: from mail.otherwhen.com (mail.2.229.205.in-addr.arpa [205.229.2.19] (may be forged)) by hostigos.otherwhen.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28120 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 14 May 1999 10:16:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199905141516.KAA28120@hostigos.otherwhen.com> Received: from PORKY/SpoolDir by mail.otherwhen.com (Mercury 1.44); 14 May 99 10:05:32 -0600 Received: from SpoolDir by PORKY (Mercury 1.44); 14 May 99 10:05:13 -0600 From: "Mike Avery" <mavery@mail.otherwhen.com> To: "Freebsd-Advocacy" <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:05:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: The State of Illinois Vs. FreeBSD - One guy's tale. Reply-To: mavery@mail.otherwhen.com In-reply-to: <NBBBIGBEGKMGELCBGGOMCEPCCJAA.rayseals@midwestis.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.10) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 14 May 99, at 9:32, Ray Seals wrote: > I wanted to get custom plates for my car. I found that FreeBSD was not > taken so I sent my check into the Sec. of State. I received a call from > them this morning asking what did "FreeBSD" mean. I explained that it > dealt with computers (older lady). They told me that they were rejecting > my request. They then explained that they were rejecting it because > "FreeBSD" could be thought to mean "Free Base". > > Bummed. There is also a chance that the lady could be thought to be intelligent. Neither seems very likely, somehow. There should be an appeals process. Ask about it. Also, the little old lady has a supervisor... ask for the supervisor's name and politely go above her head. If that fails, you could ask for your next license place to be "fsck". Mike ====================================================================== Mike Avery MAvery@mail.otherwhen.com (409)-842-2942 (work) ICQ: 16241692 * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day: Deliver yesterday, code today, think tomorrow. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 14 8:22:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (unknown [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55FDA15625 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 14 May 1999 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (homer.softweyr.com [204.68.178.39]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02518; Fri, 14 May 1999 09:20:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <373C3F58.13ABC952@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:20:56 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no> Cc: Adrian Filipi-Martin <adrian@ubergeeks.com>, Harold Gutch <logix@foobar.franken.de>, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: time for another upgrade? References: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9905140349080.6313-100000@thneed.ubergeeks.com> <xzp1zgj5090.fsf@localhost.ping.uio.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Adrian Filipi-Martin <adrian@ubergeeks.com> writes: > > I was under the impression that the new machine was on gigabit > > ethernet. As you correctly point out it is impossible to do 1TB on 100Mbps > > ethernet. In fact you cannot even do the 969GB/day cited in the upgrade > > press release. 969*2^30*10/86400 == 120,423,128bps. This agrees with what > > the stats pages are reporting today. > > Why are you counting 10 bits per byte? Ethernet doesn't have start/stop bits. > > OTOH, I wonder if the Ethernet preamble and trailer have to be > subtracted from the 100 Mbps figure... Yes, it does. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 14 20: 6:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from eugnpop1.eugn.uswest.net (eugnpop1.eugn.uswest.net [207.109.240.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 97FDF153E2 for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Fri, 14 May 1999 20:06:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wcarey@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 8006 invoked by alias); 15 May 1999 03:06:24 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 7999 invoked by uid 0); 15 May 1999 03:06:24 -0000 Received: from bdsl169.eugn.uswest.net (HELO .eugn.uswest.net) (209.181.58.169) by eugnpop1.eugn.uswest.net with SMTP; 15 May 1999 03:06:24 -0000 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: helping out by distributing book+cds Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:07:53 PDT From: "Woody Carey" <wcarey@uswest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Reply-To: wcarey@uswest.net X-Mailer: BeOS Mail [R4] Message-Id: <19990515030626.97FDF153E2@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! I think FreeBSD is great, having run it at home for quite some time with fantastic results. Now I want to give back to the community. From reading the advocacy.freebsd.org web pages, it sounds as though me distributing releases to local libraries would help. Is this *really* going to increase awareness and use of FreeBSD? If yes, how? [Please excuse me if this topic has already been discussed previously. I only recently resubscribed.] - Woody To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 15 0: 3:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D3D14D2B for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 15 May 1999 00:03:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA23061; Sat, 15 May 1999 00:03:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd023044; Sat May 15 00:03:18 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA06709; Sat, 15 May 1999 00:03:17 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> Message-Id: <199905150703.AAA06709@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: desktop, was linus on BSD To: wes@softweyr.com (Wes Peters) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 07:03:17 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <373A697B.B7A5D7DC@softweyr.com> from "Wes Peters" at May 12, 99 11:56:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Let's review: > > Sun E250, 1x 300 Mhz UltraSPARC, a boatload of big, fast UWSCSI-3 drives. > cd ~/builder/engr/src; make all: 44 minutes > > Sun Ultra5, 1x 333 Mhz UltraSPARC, one 4.3 GB Ultra-IDE drive. > cd ~/builder/engr/src; make all: 49 minutes > > Doing that "make all," and the associated little makes, is why my > workstation exists. What's even better is that we can tie them all > into a "cluster" using pmake; this drops the "make all" time to > 18 minutes at night when the office is quiet. > > I can buy a 13GB UltraIDE drive for the Ultra5, or my FreeBSD box, for > $180, at a place close enough I can go there during lunch. Where's > the win? Where is the "-j 12"? I see no "-j 12" here... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 15 3:39: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A2914E67 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 15 May 1999 03:38:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA48660; Sat, 15 May 1999 12:38:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Cc: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: desktop, was linus on BSD References: <199905111939.MAA15534@usr04.primenet.com> <3738ACA5.EBC965C7@softweyr.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no> Date: 15 May 1999 12:38:51 +0200 In-Reply-To: Wes Peters's message of "Tue, 11 May 1999 16:18:13 -0600" Message-ID: <xzphfpe39dw.fsf@localhost.ping.uio.no> Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> writes: > Terry Lambert wrote: > > A workstation with IDE hardware? > > > > Oh, you mean a PC... > > Or a Darwin. No, not the Apple stuff, the Sun stuff. Or any recent Sun Ultra (not Ultra Enterprise). El cheapo Sun workstations with PCI motherboards, IDE drives, M64 framebuffers and rebranded OEM monitors. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 15 4:41:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 626D814E8D for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 15 May 1999 04:41:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id UAA13844; Sat, 15 May 1999 20:41:09 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <373D3065.EE7677B4@newsguy.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 17:29:26 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" <dcs@newsguy.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mavery@mail.otherwhen.com Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: time for another upgrade? References: Your message of "Thu, 13 May 1999 20:30:13 +0200." <19990513203013.A19145@foobar.franken.de> <199905132159.QAA27048@hostigos.otherwhen.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Avery wrote: > > > >1024^3 > 86400*10^8 > > Hmmm - should that be 1024^3 or 1000^3? I suspect it depends on > who you talk to. The difference is between 1,073,741,824 and > 1,000,000,000,000. Not a big difference - around 7%. It doesn't depend on anything. It is 1024^3, and everybody who says otherwise is plain wrong. This is not a matter of opinion. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "Proof of Trotsky's farsightedness is that _none_ of his predictions have come true yet." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 15 6:41:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.thuntek.net (srv1.thuntek.net [206.206.98.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B65DB14FB5 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 15 May 1999 06:41:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-051.thuntek.net [207.66.52.51]) by srv1.thuntek.net (8.9.1/8.6.12TNT1.0) with ESMTP id HAA07570; Sat, 15 May 1999 07:41:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <373D78EE.61C7C120@thuntek.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 07:38:54 -0600 From: Donald Wilde <dwilde1@thuntek.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wcarey@uswest.net Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: helping out by distributing book+cds References: <19990515030626.97FDF153E2@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Woody Carey wrote: > > Hi! > > I think FreeBSD is great, having run it at home for quite some time > with fantastic > results. Now I want to give back to the community. From reading the > advocacy.freebsd.org web pages, it sounds as though me distributing > releases to > local libraries would help. > > Is this *really* going to increase awareness and use of FreeBSD? If > yes, how? > Woody, everything that gets FreeBSD out there and available helps. If you can get a copy of Greg's CFBSD out there along with the CD's, that's even better. I'm doubtful that somebody who's never heard of FBSD will pick it up and go home to install and run FBSD and live happily ever after, but as we get our name out there more and more in other ways, when somebody discovers it, the light bulb will go off and they'll say, "Ahhh... FreeBSD! Time to improve my Quality of OS!" That said, I donated 4 2.2.5 CDs and a CFBSD to the Rio Rancho Library here. We have an Intel plant in town, and it's a fairly modern middle-class bedroom community, so we ought to see some results. I have to go check with the Library to see if they've had any check-outs. I put the e-mail address of our local User's Group on a sticker inside the CD cases and the CFBSD, but I haven't gotten any responses yet. It may be that they haven't even gotten things out on the shelf yet, I can't wait to see what Greg's book looks like with a hardback cover on it. -- Don Wilde "Bringing the Internet to everyone!" Wilde Media 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd. SE #117 voice: 505-771-0709 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 e-mail: dwilde1@thuntek.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 15 6:55:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hostigos.otherwhen.com (mavery-gw.pernet.net [205.229.2.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CB014D61 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 15 May 1999 06:55:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mavery@mail.otherwhen.com) Received: from mail.otherwhen.com (mail.2.229.205.in-addr.arpa [205.229.2.19] (may be forged)) by hostigos.otherwhen.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01597 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 15 May 1999 09:07:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199905151407.JAA01597@hostigos.otherwhen.com> Received: from PORKY/SpoolDir by mail.otherwhen.com (Mercury 1.44); 15 May 99 08:55:39 -0600 Received: from SpoolDir by PORKY (Mercury 1.44); 15 May 99 08:44:49 -0600 From: "Mike Avery" <mavery@mail.otherwhen.com> To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 08:44:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: time for another upgrade? Reply-To: mavery@mail.otherwhen.com In-reply-to: <373D3065.EE7677B4@newsguy.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.10) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 15 May 99, at 17:29, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Mike Avery wrote: > > > >1024^3 > 86400*10^8 > > Hmmm - should that be 1024^3 or 1000^3? I suspect it depends on > > who you talk to. The difference is between 1,073,741,824 and > > 1,000,000,000,000. Not a big difference - around 7%. > > It doesn't depend on anything. It is 1024^3, and everybody who says > otherwise is plain wrong. This is not a matter of opinion. Whether k, m, or g is based on a power of 1,000 or 1,024 often depends on what is being measured, and who is doing the measuring. And it isn't always consistent. Money is ALWAYS decimal because people normally use a decimal system. A gigabuck is 1,000,000,000 dollars. A megabuck is 1,000,000 dollars. Memory is ALWAYS binary, because current computers are binary systems, so a gigabyte is 1,073,741,824 bytes, a megabyte is 1,048,576 bytes. Disk systems are problematical. Vendors prefer to specify their size in decimal numbers, as it makes their size appear larger. Users prefer to see sizes based on binary numbers, as it reflects memory sizes more closely.... important to people who care about virtual memory. However, the actual size difference isn't that great. Communications speeds seem to usually be expressed in decimal numbers. When you get a 9.6kbps modem, that's 9,600 bits per second. A 56k line is 56,000 bits per second. So, when someone says, "we transferred 960gb", what does he mean? In general, the number is going to be based on disk size. And will most likely be a decimal giga, not a binary giga. All in all, there's not much that's not open for debate, for good or ill. Mike ====================================================================== Mike Avery MAvery@mail.otherwhen.com (409)-842-2942 (work) ICQ: 16241692 * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day: Efficiency is a highly developed form of laziness. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 15 9:17:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (unknown [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7D314EC4 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 15 May 1999 09:17:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.224]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06214; Sat, 15 May 1999 10:17:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <373D9E24.8C5553A1@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 10:17:40 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: desktop, was linus on BSD References: <199905150703.AAA06709@usr09.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Let's review: > > > > Sun E250, 1x 300 Mhz UltraSPARC, a boatload of big, fast UWSCSI-3 drives. > > cd ~/builder/engr/src; make all: 44 minutes > > > > Sun Ultra5, 1x 333 Mhz UltraSPARC, one 4.3 GB Ultra-IDE drive. > > cd ~/builder/engr/src; make all: 49 minutes > > > > Doing that "make all," and the associated little makes, is why my > > workstation exists. What's even better is that we can tie them all > > into a "cluster" using pmake; this drops the "make all" time to > > 18 minutes at night when the office is quiet. > > > > I can buy a 13GB UltraIDE drive for the Ultra5, or my FreeBSD box, for > > $180, at a place close enough I can go there during lunch. Where's > > the win? > > Where is the "-j 12"? I see no "-j 12" here... With pmake? Not needed, it checks its configuration file and farms jobs out to all available machines on the network. We're still building ours in SLC, when it's fully staffed we'll have a 2-cpu E250 and 18 Ultra 5s. All 18 of the Ultra 5s will be using IDE disks and running 5 pmake jobs per machine; the E250 runs 16 pmake jobs. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 15 9:23:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (unknown [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B31315195 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 15 May 1999 09:23:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.224]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06234; Sat, 15 May 1999 10:23:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <373D9F90.19653F47@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 10:23:44 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no> Cc: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: desktop, was linus on BSD References: <199905111939.MAA15534@usr04.primenet.com> <3738ACA5.EBC965C7@softweyr.com> <xzphfpe39dw.fsf@localhost.ping.uio.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> writes: > > Terry Lambert wrote: > > > A workstation with IDE hardware? > > > > > > Oh, you mean a PC... > > > > Or a Darwin. No, not the Apple stuff, the Sun stuff. > > Or any recent Sun Ultra (not Ultra Enterprise). El cheapo Sun > workstations with PCI motherboards, IDE drives, M64 framebuffers and > rebranded OEM monitors. Which just beat absolute hell out of the SPARCstation 5 on my desk now. You seem to imply there's something wrong with buying a fast, reliable workstation for $2500. I think it's great. Finally a low-end Sun with 16- and 24-bit color. That M64 framebuffer beats the TGX hands down, and Sun monitors have ALWAYS been OEM'ed, you don't think Sun actually makes monitors, do you? OTOH, we're putting together a couple of two-processor "PeeCees" to test Linux and FreeBSD on, to see how fast they compile compared to the Suns. If they help the pmake pool enough, we'll build a dozen or so of them, stick them in the lab, and let them crunch compiles all day long. When we finish the evaluation, I'll write an article for Daemon News (and/or something like Dr. Dobbs) about our experience. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 15 9:32:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from voyager.fisicc-ufm.edu (ip-61-180.guate.net [200.12.61.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C971414FC1; Sat, 15 May 1999 09:32:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obonilla@voyager.fisicc-ufm.edu) Received: (from obonilla@localhost) by voyager.fisicc-ufm.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01590; Sat, 15 May 1999 10:31:59 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from obonilla) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 10:31:58 -0600 From: Oscar Bonilla <obonilla@fisicc-ufm.edu> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/conf newvers.sh Message-ID: <19990515103157.A324@fisicc-ufm.edu> References: <199905150922.CAA74341@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199905150922.CAA74341@freefall.freebsd.org>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Sat, May 15, 1999 at 02:22:57AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, May 15, 1999 at 02:22:57AM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > jkh 1999/05/15 02:22:56 PDT > > Modified files: (Branch: RELENG_3) > sys/conf newvers.sh > Log: > We're now in 3.2-STABLE GREAT!!! now perhaps whoever did the nice splash images can upgrade them to read 3.2-STABLE instead of 3.1-STABLE :) -Oscar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 15 9:32:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E79F1511E for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 15 May 1999 09:32:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id SAA49499; Sat, 15 May 1999 18:32:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no>, Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: desktop, was linus on BSD References: <199905111939.MAA15534@usr04.primenet.com> <3738ACA5.EBC965C7@softweyr.com> <xzphfpe39dw.fsf@localhost.ping.uio.no> <373D9F90.19653F47@softweyr.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no> Date: 15 May 1999 18:32:42 +0200 In-Reply-To: Wes Peters's message of "Sat, 15 May 1999 10:23:44 -0600" Message-ID: <xzpk8uas385.fsf@localhost.ping.uio.no> Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> writes: > Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Or any recent Sun Ultra (not Ultra Enterprise). El cheapo Sun > > workstations with PCI motherboards, IDE drives, M64 framebuffers and > > rebranded OEM monitors. > Which just beat absolute hell out of the SPARCstation 5 on my desk > now. You seem to imply there's something wrong with buying a fast, > reliable workstation for $2500. I didn't say it was wrong. I don't like the monitors they ship with (they're OK - I have an identical Hitachi-branded monitor at work - but nowhere near as good as the trinitron monitors they ship with high-end workstations), but they're nice little boxen. > I think it's great. Finally a > low-end Sun with 16- and 24-bit color. That M64 framebuffer beats > the TGX hands down Unfortunately, they ship it with too little memory to handle full resolution at full color depth (unless there are upgrade options I'm not aware of). One very nice thing with Sun and framebuffers is the driver API. It's practically trivial to write direct-access code which works just as well on a CG6 as on an M64 or a Creator (except that IIRC the Creator only runs in 24-bit mode, whereas the CG6 only runs in 8-bit mode and the M64 can handle both). DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 15 9:59:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (unknown [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426A014DE7 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 15 May 1999 09:59:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.224]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06325; Sat, 15 May 1999 10:59:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <373DA7E7.1ED1EF65@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 10:59:19 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mavery@mail.otherwhen.com Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: time for another upgrade? References: <199905151407.JAA01597@hostigos.otherwhen.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Avery wrote: > > Money is ALWAYS decimal because people normally use a decimal > system. A gigabuck is 1,000,000,000 dollars. A megabuck is > 1,000,000 dollars. > > Memory is ALWAYS binary, because current computers are binary > systems, so a gigabyte is 1,073,741,824 bytes, a megabyte is > 1,048,576 bytes. As the hackers jargon file points out, "K" means either 1024 or 1000, whichever will do YOU the least good. So if someone offers to sell you disk space at $1K per 1M, that means they're selling you 1,000,000 bytes of space for $1024. See how simple it is? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 15 11:39: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (smtp2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6D4153F5; Sat, 15 May 1999 11:39:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuyman@confusion.net) Received: from confusion.net (user-2iveaj8.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.42.104]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05942; Sat, 15 May 1999 14:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <373DBEDA.2825BB8A@confusion.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 14:37:14 -0400 From: Laurence Berland <stuyman@confusion.net> Organization: B.R.A.T.T. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Oscar Bonilla <obonilla@fisicc-ufm.edu> Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@FreeBSD.ORG>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/conf newvers.sh References: <199905150922.CAA74341@freefall.freebsd.org> <19990515103157.A324@fisicc-ufm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well now that we're in 3.2-STABLE, when will the 3.2 CD's ship? Someone said today I think, but that was a while ago. Is there an expected date? Oscar Bonilla wrote: > > On Sat, May 15, 1999 at 02:22:57AM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > jkh 1999/05/15 02:22:56 PDT > > > > Modified files: (Branch: RELENG_3) > > sys/conf newvers.sh > > Log: > > We're now in 3.2-STABLE > > GREAT!!! now perhaps whoever did the nice splash images can upgrade them > to read 3.2-STABLE instead of 3.1-STABLE :) > > -Oscar > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Laurence Berland, Stuyvesant HS Debate <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. http://stuy.debate.net icq #7434346 aol imer E1101 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 15 14: 3:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DBFE14F4C for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 15 May 1999 14:03:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr07.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA18008; Sat, 15 May 1999 14:03:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr07.primenet.com(206.165.6.207) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd017997; Sat May 15 14:03:28 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr07.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA27948; Sat, 15 May 1999 14:03:26 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> Message-Id: <199905152103.OAA27948@usr07.primenet.com> Subject: Re: desktop, was linus on BSD To: des@flood.ping.uio.no (Dag-Erling Smorgrav) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:03:26 +0000 (GMT) Cc: wes@softweyr.com, des@flood.ping.uio.no, tlambert@primenet.com, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <xzpk8uas385.fsf@localhost.ping.uio.no> from "Dag-Erling Smorgrav" at May 15, 99 06:32:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I didn't say it was wrong. I don't like the monitors they ship with > (they're OK - I have an identical Hitachi-branded monitor at work - > but nowhere near as good as the trinitron monitors they ship with > high-end workstations), but they're nice little boxen. You are nuts. The Trinitron lines from the zero voltage base reference wires drive me absolutely frigging insane. It's totally impossible to do a large screen graphic of something like a projection of a modular form, and not see the whole thing intolerably marred by the damn parallel lines across the CRT. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 15 14:42:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD3914BD4 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 15 May 1999 14:42:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id XAA50329; Sat, 15 May 1999 23:42:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> Cc: wes@softweyr.com, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: desktop, was linus on BSD References: <199905152103.OAA27948@usr07.primenet.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no> Date: 15 May 1999 23:42:51 +0200 In-Reply-To: Terry Lambert's message of "Sat, 15 May 1999 21:03:26 +0000 (GMT)" Message-ID: <xzpemkirov8.fsf@localhost.ping.uio.no> Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> writes: > The Trinitron lines from the zero voltage base reference wires > drive me absolutely frigging insane. Not much of a difference from your normal self :) DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 15 16:18:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FDA14D3D; Sat, 15 May 1999 16:18:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA64073; Sat, 15 May 1999 16:19:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Laurence Berland <stuyman@confusion.net> Cc: Oscar Bonilla <obonilla@fisicc-ufm.edu>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@FreeBSD.ORG>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/conf newvers.sh In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 15 May 1999 14:37:14 EDT." <373DBEDA.2825BB8A@confusion.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 16:19:05 -0700 Message-ID: <64069.926810345@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Well now that we're in 3.2-STABLE, when will the 3.2 CD's ship? Someone > said today I think, but that was a while ago. Is there an expected > date? June 2nd. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 15 18:45: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from modgud.nordicrecords.com (h21-168-107.nordicdms.com [207.21.168.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A574814FE5 for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Sat, 15 May 1999 18:44:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from walton@nordicrecords.com) Received: (qmail 2806 invoked by uid 65534); 16 May 1999 01:44:49 -0000 Date: 16 May 1999 01:44:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19990516014449.2805.qmail@modgud.nordicrecords.com> From: Dave Walton <walton@nordicrecords.com> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Reply-To: Dave Walton <walton@nordicrecords.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: IMP/PHP3 Imap webMail Program 1.99 beta Subject: Interesting job listing seen... Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG A friend found this job posted on Microsoft's site: (http://www.microsoft.com/jobs/search/jobDetail.asp?fromPage=viewJobs&jobNumber= 461&page=2&msid1=-1578886052&msid2=158994899&msid3=-1396506496&msid4=1607985518) WEB DEVELOPMENT ENGINEER [Job Code: N05rc-c8 ] Division: Interactive Media Group - Web Essentials As a Webserver Administrator, you will configure and maintain Apache Webservers in FreeBSD environment. Required skills include Apache, Perl, Shell scripting, HTML, UNIX (FreeBSD), and understanding of Unix security. Experience with CVS Revision control, Kerberos, StongHold set up & configuration a plus. We are looking for someone who has had experience in handling content for a commercial Website. Expertise in Apache Webserver configuration is important. It would be considered a plus if you've set up and maintained a QA/staging server. Job Location: San Francisco, California To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 16 0:35:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from ontario.mooseriver.com (ontario.mooseriver.com [208.138.31.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEE2A15199 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sun, 16 May 1999 00:35:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@ontario.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by ontario.mooseriver.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id AAA16718; Sun, 16 May 1999 00:34:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 00:34:30 -0700 From: Josef Grosch <jgrosch@ontario.mooseriver.com> To: Dave Walton <walton@nordicrecords.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Interesting job listing seen... Message-ID: <19990516003430.B87125@ontario.mooseriver.com> Reply-To: jgrosch@MooseRiver.com References: <19990516014449.2805.qmail@modgud.nordicrecords.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <19990516014449.2805.qmail@modgud.nordicrecords.com>; from Dave Walton on Sun, May 16, 1999 at 01:44:49AM -0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, May 16, 1999 at 01:44:49AM -0000, Dave Walton wrote: > A friend found this job posted on Microsoft's site: > > (http://www.microsoft.com/jobs/search/jobDetail.asp?fromPage=viewJobs&jobNumber= > 461&page=2&msid1=-1578886052&msid2=158994899&msid3=-1396506496&msid4=1607985518) > > > WEB DEVELOPMENT ENGINEER [Job Code: N05rc-c8 ] > > Division: Interactive Media Group - Web Essentials > > As a Webserver Administrator, you will configure and maintain Apache > Webservers in FreeBSD environment. Required skills include Apache, Perl, > Shell scripting, HTML, UNIX (FreeBSD), and understanding of Unix > security. Experience with CVS Revision control, Kerberos, StongHold set > up & configuration a plus. We are looking for someone who has had > experience in handling content for a commercial Website. Expertise in > Apache Webserver configuration is important. It would be considered a > plus if you've set up and maintained a QA/staging server. > > Job Location: San Francisco, California This is most likely a job at link exchange. The other FreeBSD based company that microsoft owns is Hot Mail which is based in Sunnyvale (or Santa Clara). Or it could be that microsoft bought another company based on FreeBSD and again failed in their attempt to move the services to NT (No Thanks) Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 3.1 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 16 1:29: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zaphod.livecam.com (zaphod.livecam.com [206.83.162.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DE114D3D for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sun, 16 May 1999 01:29:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jessem@livecam.com) Received: from jessem.dnull.com (adsl-216-100-231-13.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.100.231.13]) by zaphod.livecam.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA25696 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sun, 16 May 1999 01:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990516013711.007c1b80@livecam.com> X-Sender: jessem@livecam.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 01:37:11 -0700 To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jesse Monroy, Jr." <jessem@livecam.com> Subject: Draft 1 of Buds Syntax is ready. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Draft 1 of Buds Syntax is ready. Advocates and hackers any ideas you have make them available. I plan to do a rollout by the end of the month. Here URL with details: http://www.mozie.com/projects/buds/syntax.txt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 16 14:10:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from void.bloodletting.com (void.bloodletting.com [209.31.32.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C7A2014C0F for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Sun, 16 May 1999 14:10:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mouse@bloodletting.com) Received: (qmail 11256 invoked from network); 16 May 1999 21:19:50 -0000 Received: from nick.bloodletting.com (HELO rust) (10.6.66.13) by void.bloodletting.com with SMTP; 16 May 1999 21:19:50 -0000 From: "Nick Popoff" <mouse@bloodletting.com> To: <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org> Subject: FreeBSD & Apple Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 14:09:01 -0700 Message-ID: <000101be9fe0$52882f60$0d42060a@rust.bloodletting.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've been hearing very interesting rumors from a friend of mine who went to Apple's WWDC conference last week. According to him, Apple is moving away from the mishmash of Unix sources they were using to build their next generation OS in favor of using FreeBSD for everything. He also heard that they were working on some cool new kernel features to make things more dynamic, which they intend to give back to the = project. Has anyone else heard things to this effect? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 16 15:11:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.thuntek.net (srv1.thuntek.net [206.206.98.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48BD214C91 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sun, 16 May 1999 15:11:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-025.thuntek.net [207.66.52.25]) by srv1.thuntek.net (8.9.1/8.6.12TNT1.0) with ESMTP id QAA29946; Sun, 16 May 1999 16:11:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <373F41CF.850A8FCF@thuntek.net> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 16:08:15 -0600 From: Donald Wilde <dwilde1@thuntek.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nick Popoff <mouse@bloodletting.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Apple References: <000101be9fe0$52882f60$0d42060a@rust.bloodletting.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nick Popoff wrote: > > I've been hearing very interesting rumors from a friend of mine who > went to Apple's WWDC conference last week. According to him, Apple > is moving away from the mishmash of Unix sources they were using to > build their next generation OS in favor of using FreeBSD for everything. > He also heard that they were working on some cool new kernel features > to make things more dynamic, which they intend to give back to the project. > > Has anyone else heard things to this effect? > Yes. Fred Sanchez just publicly (at that conference) Apple's Darwin kernel to the FreeBSD source tree. He has been working with me off the list on getting a group press announcement out. He's also going to publicly acknowledge the Open Source benefits at FreeNIX next month. He's been very open about the BSD connection and there's a web page acknowledgement of their BSD heritage already. He hasn't said they're dropping the NetBSD or MACH connections, though, quite the contrary. -- Don Wilde "Bringing the Internet to everyone!" Wilde Media 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd. SE #117 voice: 505-771-0709 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 e-mail: dwilde1@thuntek.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 16 20:43:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pez.hyperreal.org (pez.hyperreal.org [207.181.224.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E76FB14C1E for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sun, 16 May 1999 20:43:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@hyperreal.org) Received: (qmail 41768 invoked by uid 4000); 17 May 1999 03:44:59 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 May 1999 03:44:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 20:44:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Behlendorf <brian@hyperreal.org> To: Donald Wilde <dwilde1@thuntek.net> Cc: Nick Popoff <mouse@bloodletting.com>, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Apple In-Reply-To: <373F41CF.850A8FCF@thuntek.net> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9905162044250.33317-100000@pez.hyperreal.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 16 May 1999, Donald Wilde wrote: > Nick Popoff wrote: > > > > I've been hearing very interesting rumors from a friend of mine who > > went to Apple's WWDC conference last week. According to him, Apple > > is moving away from the mishmash of Unix sources they were using to > > build their next generation OS in favor of using FreeBSD for everything. > > He also heard that they were working on some cool new kernel features > > to make things more dynamic, which they intend to give back to the project. > > > > Has anyone else heard things to this effect? > > > Yes. Fred Sanchez just publicly (at that conference) Apple's Darwin > kernel to the FreeBSD source tree. He has been working with me off the > list on getting a group press announcement out. He's also going to > publicly acknowledge the Open Source benefits at FreeNIX next month. There's a verb missing in the first sentence. I can guess what it is, but what were you intending to use? Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 17 2:53:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mescalero.asd1.rl.ac.uk (mescalero.asd1.rl.ac.uk [130.246.170.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6229414ECD for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Mon, 17 May 1999 02:53:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tmb@mescalero.asd1.rl.ac.uk) Received: (from tmb@localhost) by mescalero.asd1.rl.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA44405; Mon, 17 May 1999 10:53:03 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from tmb) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:53:03 +0100 From: Mark Blackman <tmb@rcru.rl.ac.uk> To: Nick Popoff <mouse@bloodletting.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Apple Message-ID: <19990517105303.A44395@rcru.rl.ac.uk> References: <000101be9fe0$52882f60$0d42060a@rust.bloodletting.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <000101be9fe0$52882f60$0d42060a@rust.bloodletting.com>; from Nick Popoff on Sun, May 16, 1999 at 02:09:01PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG http://www.publicsource.apple.com/projects/darwin/contributors.html gives an idea of the relative contributions of the *BSD to Darwin. > I've been hearing very interesting rumors from a friend of mine who > went to Apple's WWDC conference last week. According to him, Apple > is moving away from the mishmash of Unix sources they were using to > build their next generation OS in favor of using FreeBSD for everything. > He also heard that they were working on some cool new kernel features > to make things more dynamic, which they intend to give back to the project. > > Has anyone else heard things to this effect? > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > -- Mark Blackman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 17 5: 0:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.thuntek.net (srv1.thuntek.net [206.206.98.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688FF152DD for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Mon, 17 May 1999 05:00:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-060.thuntek.net [207.66.52.60]) by srv1.thuntek.net (8.9.1/8.6.12TNT1.0) with ESMTP id GAA22908; Mon, 17 May 1999 06:00:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3740044C.6411A0F3@thuntek.net> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 05:58:04 -0600 From: Donald Wilde <dwilde1@thuntek.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Behlendorf <brian@hyperreal.org> Cc: Nick Popoff <mouse@bloodletting.com>, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Apple References: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9905162044250.33317-100000@pez.hyperreal.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brian Behlendorf wrote: > > On Sun, 16 May 1999, Donald Wilde wrote: > > Nick Popoff wrote: > > > > > > I've been hearing very interesting rumors from a friend of mine who > > > went to Apple's WWDC conference last week. According to him, Apple > > > is moving away from the mishmash of Unix sources they were using to > > > build their next generation OS in favor of using FreeBSD for everything. > > > He also heard that they were working on some cool new kernel features > > > to make things more dynamic, which they intend to give back to the project. > > > > > > Has anyone else heard things to this effect? > > > > > Yes. Fred Sanchez just publicly (at that conference) Apple's Darwin > > kernel to the FreeBSD source tree. He has been working with me off the > > list on getting a group press announcement out. He's also going to > > publicly acknowledge the Open Source benefits at FreeNIX next month. > > There's a verb missing in the first sentence. I can guess what it is, but > what were you intending to use? > Hi, Brian - Tied. :-) -- Don Wilde "Bringing the Internet to everyone!" Wilde Media 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd. SE #117 voice: 505-771-0709 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 e-mail: dwilde1@thuntek.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 17 12:26: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from thneed.ubergeeks.com (thneed.ubergeeks.com [206.205.41.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3AB11521C for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:25:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adrian@ubergeeks.com) Received: from localhost (adrian@localhost) by thneed.ubergeeks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12080; Mon, 17 May 1999 15:25:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from adrian@ubergeeks.com) X-Authentication-Warning: thneed.ubergeeks.com: adrian owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:25:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Adrian Filipi-Martin <adrian@ubergeeks.com> Reply-To: Adrian Filipi-Martin <adrian@ubergeeks.com> To: Donald Wilde <dwilde1@thuntek.net> Cc: Brian Behlendorf <brian@hyperreal.org>, Nick Popoff <mouse@bloodletting.com>, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Apple In-Reply-To: <3740044C.6411A0F3@thuntek.net> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9905171515090.11992-100000@thneed.ubergeeks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 17 May 1999, Donald Wilde wrote: > Brian Behlendorf wrote: > > > > On Sun, 16 May 1999, Donald Wilde wrote: > > > Nick Popoff wrote: > > > > > > > > I've been hearing very interesting rumors from a friend of mine who > > > > went to Apple's WWDC conference last week. According to him, Apple FYI, searching for "BSD" at http://www.apple.com/developer/wwdc99/ yields a number of interesting documents. Mostly stuff like how their implementation of FileHandles has BSD-like file descriptor semantics to ease porting, but still interesting to see. Aparrently there was at least one seession dedicated to 4.4BSD. <grin> session 132: BSD 4.4 in Rhapsody: Hidden, but Useful Hidden within Rhapsody is a powerful and very useful feature: BSD 4.4 support. In this session you will get a detailed overview of the BSD support offered by Rhapsody and how you can use it to easily bring BSD-based software to Rhapsody. Adrian -- [ adrian@ubergeeks.com -- Ubergeeks Consulting -- http://www.ubergeeks.com/ ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 17 18:48:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from leap.innerx.net (leap.innerx.net [38.179.176.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE4514CFD; Mon, 17 May 1999 18:48:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.dyndns.org) Received: from holly.dyndns.org (ip1.houston2.tx.pub-ip.psi.net [38.11.201.1]) by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241E3370B4; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15142; Mon, 17 May 1999 20:50:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chris) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 20:50:15 -0500 From: Chris Costello <chris@calldei.com> To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: BSDI giving out old info? Message-ID: <19990517205015.C15030@holly.dyndns.org> Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I read some interesting things at the URL below -- perhaps it's out of date. It says that there are no Front Page extensions, no email support, and no 'patch server' (does cvsup*.freebsd.org count?). http://www.BSDI.COM/products/internet/40-qna.mhtml#Q5 -- Chris Costello <chris@calldei.com> Sure it's user-friendly...if you know what you're doing. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 17 22:43:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (unknown [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E00EB15124; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:42:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (homer.softweyr.com [204.68.178.39]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA11492; Mon, 17 May 1999 23:42:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <3740FDB3.1E0ACCC2@softweyr.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 23:42:11 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chris@calldei.com Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDI giving out old info? References: <19990517205015.C15030@holly.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chris Costello wrote: > > I read some interesting things at the URL below -- perhaps > it's out of date. It says that there are no Front Page > extensions, no email support, and no 'patch server' (does > cvsup*.freebsd.org count?). > > http://www.BSDI.COM/products/internet/40-qna.mhtml#Q5 OK, help me fix this. I'm counting anything available in packages as "Std." We could probably count ports too, given the amount of tinkering NOT required to get them to work, but let's stick with packages for now. How's this look vis-a-vis 3.2-RELEASE: FreeBSD World Wide Web Support HTTP server Std HTTP proxy Std HTTP accelerator ??? SSL2 ??? SSL3 ??? Java Std ActiveX MSP (bleh!) XML ??? Local Database mSQL, MySQL, Postgres Yes Remote Database mSQL, MySQL, Postgres Yes FrontPage server extensions (Use the BSDI version - doh!) 3rd E-Mail Support SMTP server Std POP3 server Std IMAP server Std Usenet News Support NNTP server Std FTP Support FTP server Std VPN Support IPsec ??? ISAKMP ??? PPTP ??? Development Tools HTML editor Std Perl Std Python Std C and C++ Compilers & Tools Std Fortran Compiler & Tools Std Java Compiler & Tools Std Source Code Available Yes Network Services DNS Std NTP Std Dialup Support PPP Std Multi-Link PPP Std SLIP Std RADIUS Authentication Std RAS MSP ??? Security Kerberos Std IP Packet Filters Std Management SMNP Tools (Too bad they can't spell SNMP, huh?) BIY Huh? Remote Administration Std Pager Interface Std Reliability Uptimes > 1 year Std Y2K Compliant Yes Advanced Features IPv6 It was developed on FreeBSD! Yes Technical Support Initial free phone support 0 Phone support with 4 hour response Opt E-Mail Support Free Update Support Free Patch Server Yes Pricing Base Product FREE! 16 User FREE! 60 day return privilege NOT NEEDED, ITS FREE! Key: Std = standard Opt = optional 3rd = Available from 3rd party MSP = Microsoft Proprietary BIY = Build it yourself U/D = Under Development N/A = Not available -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 17 22:43:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944AE151CE; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:42:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id WAA07648; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id WAA28386; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:41:53 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.39]) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA06539; Mon, 17 May 99 22:41:49 PDT Message-Id: <3740FD9C.8CDD830C@softweyr.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 23:41:48 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: chris@calldei.com Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDI giving out old info? References: <19990517205015.C15030@holly.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chris Costello wrote: > > I read some interesting things at the URL below -- perhaps > it's out of date. It says that there are no Front Page > extensions, no email support, and no 'patch server' (does > cvsup*.freebsd.org count?). > > http://www.BSDI.COM/products/internet/40-qna.mhtml#Q5 OK, help me fix this. I'm counting anything available in packages as "Std." We could probably count ports too, given the amount of tinkering NOT required to get them to work, but let's stick with packages for now. How's this look vis-a-vis 3.2-RELEASE: FreeBSD World Wide Web Support HTTP server Std HTTP proxy Std HTTP accelerator ??? SSL2 ??? SSL3 ??? Java Std ActiveX MSP (bleh!) XML ??? Local Database mSQL, MySQL, Postgres Yes Remote Database mSQL, MySQL, Postgres Yes FrontPage server extensions (Use the BSDI version - doh!) 3rd E-Mail Support SMTP server Std POP3 server Std IMAP server Std Usenet News Support NNTP server Std FTP Support FTP server Std VPN Support IPsec ??? ISAKMP ??? PPTP ??? Development Tools HTML editor Std Perl Std Python Std C and C++ Compilers & Tools Std Fortran Compiler & Tools Std Java Compiler & Tools Std Source Code Available Yes Network Services DNS Std NTP Std Dialup Support PPP Std Multi-Link PPP Std SLIP Std RADIUS Authentication Std RAS MSP ??? Security Kerberos Std IP Packet Filters Std Management SMNP Tools (Too bad they can't spell SNMP, huh?) BIY Huh? Remote Administration Std Pager Interface Std Reliability Uptimes > 1 year Std Y2K Compliant Yes Advanced Features IPv6 It was developed on FreeBSD! Yes Technical Support Initial free phone support 0 Phone support with 4 hour response Opt E-Mail Support Free Update Support Free Patch Server Yes Pricing Base Product FREE! 16 User FREE! 60 day return privilege NOT NEEDED, ITS FREE! Key: Std = standard Opt = optional 3rd = Available from 3rd party MSP = Microsoft Proprietary BIY = Build it yourself U/D = Under Development N/A = Not available -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 17 23:23: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from leap.innerx.net (leap.innerx.net [38.179.176.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C8914D9A; Mon, 17 May 1999 23:23:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.dyndns.org) Received: from holly.dyndns.org (ip1.houston2.tx.pub-ip.psi.net [38.11.201.1]) by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD64B3708B; Tue, 18 May 1999 02:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15647; Tue, 18 May 1999 01:24:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chris) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 01:24:39 -0500 From: Chris Costello <chris@calldei.com> To: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDI giving out old info? Message-ID: <19990518012439.A15570@holly.dyndns.org> Reply-To: chris@calldei.com References: <19990517205015.C15030@holly.dyndns.org> <3740FD9C.8CDD830C@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.2i In-Reply-To: <3740FD9C.8CDD830C@softweyr.com>; from Wes Peters on Mon, May 17, 1999 at 11:41:48PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 18, 1999, Wes Peters wrote: > OK, help me fix this. I'm counting anything available in packages as > "Std." We could probably count ports too, given the amount of tinkering > NOT required to get them to work, but let's stick with packages for now. > How's this look vis-a-vis 3.2-RELEASE: See below... > FreeBSD > World Wide Web Support > HTTP server Std > HTTP proxy Std > HTTP accelerator ??? What is an HTTP accelerator, anyway? > SSL2 ??? > SSL3 ??? These are availible under ports, and I don't think ports are 'build it yourself', since, technically, ports builds it all for you. > Java Std > ActiveX MSP (bleh!) > XML ??? The SGML tools availible seem to be able to deal with this. > Local Database mSQL, MySQL, Postgres Yes > Remote Database mSQL, MySQL, Postgres Yes > FrontPage server extensions (Use the BSDI version - doh!) 3rd > > E-Mail Support > SMTP server Std > POP3 server Std > IMAP server Std > > Usenet News Support > NNTP server Std > > FTP Support > FTP server Std > > VPN Support > IPsec ??? > ISAKMP ??? > PPTP ??? > > Development Tools > HTML editor Std > Perl Std > Python Std > C and C++ Compilers & Tools Std > Fortran Compiler & Tools Std > Java Compiler & Tools Std > Source Code Available Yes > > Network Services > DNS Std > NTP Std > > Dialup Support > PPP Std > Multi-Link PPP Std > SLIP Std > RADIUS Authentication Std > RAS MSP ??? > > Security > Kerberos Std > IP Packet Filters Std > > Management > SMNP Tools (Too bad they can't spell SNMP, huh?) BIY Huh? I consider ports not to be BIY... > Remote Administration Std > Pager Interface Std > > Reliability > Uptimes > 1 year Std > Y2K Compliant Yes > > Advanced Features > IPv6 It was developed on FreeBSD! Yes I wonder why they put N/A, then. > Technical Support > Initial free phone support 0 > Phone support with 4 hour response Opt > E-Mail Support Free > Update Support Free > Patch Server Yes > > Pricing > Base Product FREE! > 16 User FREE! > 60 day return privilege NOT NEEDED, ITS FREE! Overall, I'd say your new data is, other than what I mentioned about ports, ready to be given to BSDI. > -- > "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" > > Wes Peters Softweyr LLC > http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com -- Chris Costello <chris@calldei.com> You depend too much on computers for information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 17 23:29:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8104C14DE9; Mon, 17 May 1999 23:29:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA00861; Tue, 18 May 1999 02:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 02:29:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman <chrisc@vmunix.com> To: Chris Costello <chris@calldei.com> Cc: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDI giving out old info? In-Reply-To: <19990518012439.A15570@holly.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905180226380.817-100000@vnode.vmunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > World Wide Web Support > > HTTP server Std > > HTTP proxy Std > > HTTP accelerator ??? > > What is an HTTP accelerator, anyway? > /usr/ports/www/squid is a HTTP Accelerator as well as a HTTP proxy server. I have always imagined it as a localized mirror site, but I have never used it. -Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 18 8:36:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75C514CC8; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:35:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA26917; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:35:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd026854; Tue May 18 08:35:35 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA28631; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:35:33 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> Message-Id: <199905181535.IAA28631@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: BSDI giving out old info? To: chris@calldei.com Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:35:33 +0000 (GMT) Cc: wes@softweyr.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19990518012439.A15570@holly.dyndns.org> from "Chris Costello" at May 18, 99 01:24:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > HTTP accelerator ??? > > What is an HTTP accelerator, anyway? A cache. > > ActiveX MSP (bleh!) ActiveX is pretty trivial to implement, if you know C++, and know to type: #define interface struct The COM and DCOM books describe it in sufficient detail that it can be implemented. The one caveat is that EGCS vtable support sucks. > > VPN Support > > IPsec ??? > > ISAKMP ??? These are supported via the WIDE/INRIA/LANL code, though the WIDE stuff appears more mature. FreeBSD is not, however, shipping it. > > PPTP ??? This use GRE, and is similarly trivial, although interoperability with the NT code is not, and the security sucks (open to man in the middle and replay attacks). FreeBSD is not shipping it. > > RAS MSP ??? RAS is "Remote access server". It means dial on demand PPP with network address translation, generally. > > Management > > SMNP Tools (Too bad they can't spell SNMP, huh?) BIY > > I consider ports not to be BIY... On the other hand, the port doesn't come with a MIB that lets you actually manage a FreeBSD box. FreeBSD boxes don't have sufficiently centralized configuration data, and what data there is is cached all over the place, instead of reacquired. Someone really ought to look into a socket implementation that binds to interfaces instead of to IP addresses (e.g. an interface-bound INADDR_ANY). Oh wait, I _am_ looking into that... ;^). > > Advanced Features > > IPv6 It was developed on FreeBSD! Yes > > I wonder why they put N/A, then. FreeBSD is not shipping it, and it is not a package. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 18 9:26: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from ontario.mooseriver.com (ontario.mooseriver.com [208.138.31.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9D31571C; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:26:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@ontario.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by ontario.mooseriver.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA19192; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:25:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:25:53 -0700 From: Josef Grosch <jgrosch@ontario.mooseriver.com> To: Chris Costello <chris@calldei.com> Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDI giving out old info? Message-ID: <19990518092553.A19168@ontario.mooseriver.com> Reply-To: jgrosch@MooseRiver.com References: <19990517205015.C15030@holly.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <19990517205015.C15030@holly.dyndns.org>; from Chris Costello on Mon, May 17, 1999 at 08:50:15PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 17, 1999 at 08:50:15PM -0500, Chris Costello wrote: > I read some interesting things at the URL below -- perhaps > it's out of date. It says that there are no Front Page > extensions, no email support, and no 'patch server' (does > cvsup*.freebsd.org count?). > > http://www.BSDI.COM/products/internet/40-qna.mhtml#Q5 I love the entry under Reliability, "Uptimes > 1 year". They list BSDI as having this as "Std" but FreeBSD is blank. Did someone forget to install the "Uptime > 1 year" package ? ;-) Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 3.2 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 18 9:33: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C44314ECC; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:32:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id JAA12963; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id JAA01759; Tue, 18 May 1999 09:31:22 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn1.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA04210; Tue, 18 May 99 09:31:15 PDT Message-Id: <374195D3.4366EC32@softweyr.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 10:31:15 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Coleman <chrisc@vmunix.com> Cc: Chris Costello <chris@calldei.com>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDI giving out old info? References: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905180226380.817-100000@vnode.vmunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks to all who responded. I still have one question: when they say "RAS" as a Microsoft proprietary protocol, are they talking about the MS-CHAP extensions to PPP? Doesn't the latest version of userland PPP support this? Should we mark this as MSP/Std? And what about the VPN stuff? Don't we do some of this, with ports? Here's what I have now: World Wide Web Support FreeBSD HTTP server Std HTTP proxy Std HTTP accelerator Std SSL2 Opt/3rd SSL3 Opt/3rd Java Std ActiveX MSP XML Std Local Database mSQL, MySQL, Postgres Std Remote Database mSQL, MySQL, Postgres Std FrontPage server extensions (Use the BSDI version - doh!) 3rd E-Mail Support SMTP server Std POP3 server Std IMAP server Std Usenet News Support NNTP server Std FTP Support FTP server Std VPN Support IPsec ??? ISAKMP ??? PPTP ??? Development Tools HTML editor Std Perl Std Python Std C and C++ Compilers & Tools Std Fortran Compiler & Tools Std Java Compiler & Tools Std Source Code Available Std Network Services DNS Std NTP Std Dialup Support PPP Std Multi-Link PPP Std SLIP Std RADIUS Authentication Std RAS MSP ??? Security Kerberos Std IP Packet Filters Std Management SMNP Tools (Too bad they can't spell SNMP, huh?) Std Remote Administration Std Pager Interface Std Reliability Uptimes > 1 year Std Y2K Compliant Yes Advanced Features IPv6 KAME - developed on FreeBSD! 3rd Technical Support Initial free phone support 0 Phone support with 4 hour response (FreeBSD Mall) Opt E-Mail Support FREE Update Support FREE Patch Server (daily via CVSup) Yes Pricing Base Product FREE! 16 User FREE! CD-ROM Media charge (CD-ROM/Subscription/CheapBytes) $40 / $25 / $5 60 day return privilege Yes Key: Yes = Oui, Ja, Yup, Si, etc. Std = standard (For FreeBSD, installed with system or in package) Opt = optional (For FreeBSD, available via ports systems) 3rd = Available from 3rd party MSP = Microsoft Proprietary BIY = Build it yourself U/D = Under Development N/A = Not available FREE = You don't have to pay for it, as in FREE BEER -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 18 12:25:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E211514EDA; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:25:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id MAA16770; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id MAA10160; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:24:57 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn1.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA13185; Tue, 18 May 99 12:24:54 PDT Message-Id: <3741BE86.54C4512B@softweyr.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:24:54 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> Cc: chris@calldei.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDI giving out old info? References: <199905181535.IAA28631@usr08.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > HTTP accelerator ??? > > > > What is an HTTP accelerator, anyway? > > A cache. Pretty much. A smart cache, maybe. In FreeBSD, you pronounce it "squid." > > > ActiveX MSP (bleh!) > > ActiveX is pretty trivial to implement, if you know C++, and know to > type: > > #define interface struct > > The COM and DCOM books describe it in sufficient detail that it can > be implemented. The one caveat is that EGCS vtable support sucks. Another caveat is that ActiveX is a giant can of bugs waiting to be released. Do we really WANT to advertise support for ActiveX? I thought not. > > > VPN Support > > > IPsec ??? > > > ISAKMP ??? > > These are supported via the WIDE/INRIA/LANL code, though the WIDE stuff > appears more mature. FreeBSD is not, however, shipping it. 3rd party? > > > PPTP ??? > > This use GRE, and is similarly trivial, although interoperability with > the NT code is not, and the security sucks (open to man in the middle > and replay attacks). FreeBSD is not shipping it. 3rd party, or "why would you want to do that?" > > > RAS MSP ??? > > RAS is "Remote access server". It means dial on demand PPP with > network address translation, generally. But BSDI has that, too, so they must applying some other definition to it. Screw it, I'm changing it to "Std." Userland PPP wins again! ;^) > > > Management > > > SMNP Tools (Too bad they can't spell SNMP, huh?) BIY > > > > I consider ports not to be BIY... > > On the other hand, the port doesn't come with a MIB that lets you > actually manage a FreeBSD box. FreeBSD boxes don't have sufficiently > centralized configuration data, and what data there is is cached all > over the place, instead of reacquired. Someone really ought to look > into a socket implementation that binds to interfaces instead of to > IP addresses (e.g. an interface-bound INADDR_ANY). Oh wait, I _am_ > looking into that... ;^). You seem to assume other vendors have *working* SNMP implementations also. I can testify from first-hand experience that this is only sort of true. Working == works great if you use OUR management application to manage OUR switches/servers/hosts. > > > Advanced Features > > > IPv6 It was developed on FreeBSD! Yes > > > > I wonder why they put N/A, then. > > FreeBSD is not shipping it, and it is not a package. 3rd party then, right? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 18 12:36:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (unknown [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F2114EDA; Tue, 18 May 1999 12:34:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA193630708; Tue, 18 May 1999 11:18:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 11:18:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola <billf@chc-chimes.com> To: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Cc: Chris Coleman <chrisc@vmunix.com>, Chris Costello <chris@calldei.com>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDI giving out old info? In-Reply-To: <374195D3.4366EC32@softweyr.com> Message-Id: <Pine.HPP.3.96.990518111802.17947C-100000@hp9000.chc-chimes.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 18 May 1999, Wes Peters wrote: > And what about the VPN stuff? Don't we do some of this, with ports? ports/security/skip, though I heard somewhere there might be a ppp+ssh tutorial for making a VPN. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 18 13:20:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from 001101.zer0.org (001101.zer0.org [206.24.105.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E700115753; Tue, 18 May 1999 13:20:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@001101.zer0.org) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by 001101.zer0.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) id NAA14311; Tue, 18 May 1999 13:19:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:19:58 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter <gsutter@pobox.com> To: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Cc: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com>, chris@calldei.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDI giving out old info? Message-ID: <19990518131958.O80987@001101.zer0.org> References: <199905181535.IAA28631@usr08.primenet.com> <3741BE86.54C4512B@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <3741BE86.54C4512B@softweyr.com>; from Wes Peters on Tue, May 18, 1999 at 01:24:54PM -0600 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 01:24:54PM -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > > What is an HTTP accelerator, anyway? > > > > A cache. > > Pretty much. A smart cache, maybe. In FreeBSD, you pronounce it "squid." Or you can pronounce it "Inktomi Traffic Server", since they've recently released a FreeBSD native port. Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Computing is a terminal addiction. mailto:gsutter@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 18 15: 2:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from unix1.digital-web.net (unix1.digital-web.net [216.65.27.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1C114D3A; Tue, 18 May 1999 15:02:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph@randomnetworks.com) Received: from localhost (jmscott@localhost) by unix1.digital-web.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08868; Tue, 18 May 1999 17:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:56:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Joseph Scott <joseph@randomnetworks.com> X-Sender: jmscott@unix1.digital-web.net Reply-To: Joseph Scott <joseph@randomnetworks.com> To: Bill Fumerola <billf@chc-chimes.com> Cc: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, Chris Coleman <chrisc@vmunix.com>, Chris Costello <chris@calldei.com>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDI giving out old info? In-Reply-To: <Pine.HPP.3.96.990518111802.17947C-100000@hp9000.chc-chimes.com> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9905181752190.6292-100000@unix1.digital-web.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 18 May 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Tue, 18 May 1999, Wes Peters wrote: > > > And what about the VPN stuff? Don't we do some of this, with ports? > > ports/security/skip, though I heard somewhere there might be a ppp+ssh > tutorial for making a VPN. O'Rielly's VPN book has a section on using Linux+ssh to create a VPN. I took a quick look at it, I don't think there would be a problem doing FreeBSD+ssh to do the same thing (probably even use most of their steps :-) It's the 2 edition of the book, see : http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/vpn2/ > > - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - > - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - Joseph Scott joseph@randomnetworks.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 18 20:57:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F68F14C0B; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:57:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from bragg (bragg [129.127.36.34]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id NAA09533; Wed, 19 May 1999 13:27:29 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost by bragg; (5.65/1.1.8.2/05Aug95-0227PM) id AA09414; Wed, 19 May 1999 13:28:19 +0930 Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 13:28:19 +0930 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway <kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au> X-Sender: kkennawa@bragg To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com Cc: Chris Costello <chris@calldei.com>, chat@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDI giving out old info? In-Reply-To: <19990518092553.A19168@ontario.mooseriver.com> Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.4.10.9905191327010.6541-100000@bragg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 18 May 1999, Josef Grosch wrote: > I love the entry under Reliability, "Uptimes > 1 year". They list BSDI as > having this as "Std" but FreeBSD is blank. Did someone forget to install > the "Uptime > 1 year" package ? ;-) I tried to install the Microsoft Uptime package on my NT server, but it crashed. Kris > Josef ----- "That suit's sharper than a page of Oscar Wilde witticisms that's been rolled up into a point, sprinkled with lemon juice and jabbed into someone's eye" "Wow, that's sharp!" - Ace Rimmer and the Cat, _Red Dwarf_ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 19 13:46: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from aeolus.conio.net (ci221559-a.grnvle1.sc.home.com [24.4.122.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CD88214CF2 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Wed, 19 May 1999 13:45:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sam@conio.net) Received: (qmail 57264 invoked from network); 19 May 1999 20:48:48 -0000 Received: from ci221559-b.grnvle1.sc.home.com (HELO thanatos.conio.net) (sam@24.4.122.130) by ci221559-a.grnvle1.sc.home.com with SMTP; 19 May 1999 20:48:48 -0000 From: Sam Stephenson <sam@conio.net> To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: linux.com misconceptions Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:45:28 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99051916483400.07598@thanatos.conio.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anyone care to comment on the blatant misinformation here? http://linux.com/linux@work/oscomp.phtml#l17 Linux.com hasn't been up for 24 hours yet, and they're already lying about BSD. The most obvious distortions are: - Scalability: BSD is listed as "Small to Large," while Linux is listed as "Small to Huge." - Multi-Platform: No BSD runs only on one platform. --Sam Stephenson sam@conio.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 19 13:59: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.thuntek.net (srv1.thuntek.net [206.206.98.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D0814D7A for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 19 May 1999 13:59:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-019.thuntek.net [207.66.52.19]) by srv1.thuntek.net (8.9.1/8.6.12TNT1.0) with ESMTP id OAA04728; Wed, 19 May 1999 14:58:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <37432551.6808FC52@thuntek.net> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:55:45 -0600 From: Donald Wilde <dwilde1@thuntek.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sam Stephenson <sam@conio.net> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: linux.com misconceptions References: <99051916483400.07598@thanatos.conio.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sam Stephenson wrote: > > Anyone care to comment on the blatant misinformation here? > http://linux.com/linux@work/oscomp.phtml#l17 > Linux.com hasn't been up for 24 hours yet, and they're > already lying about BSD. > > The most obvious distortions are: > - Scalability: BSD is listed as "Small to Large," while > Linux is listed as "Small to Huge." They're probably referring to Beowolf clustering techniques as their "huge" I guess Yahoo! doesn't count to them. -- Don Wilde "Bringing the Internet to everyone!" Wilde Media 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd. SE #117 voice: 505-771-0709 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 e-mail: dwilde1@thuntek.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 19 14:55:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from voyager.fisicc-ufm.edu (unknown [209.198.197.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C039214FA5 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 19 May 1999 14:55:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obonilla@voyager.fisicc-ufm.edu) Received: (from obonilla@localhost) by voyager.fisicc-ufm.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00775; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:54:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from obonilla) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:54:52 -0600 From: Oscar Bonilla <obonilla@fisicc-ufm.edu> To: Sam Stephenson <sam@conio.net> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: linux.com misconceptions Message-ID: <19990519155452.A344@fisicc-ufm.edu> References: <99051916483400.07598@thanatos.conio.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <99051916483400.07598@thanatos.conio.net>; from Sam Stephenson on Wed, May 19, 1999 at 04:45:28PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 04:45:28PM -0400, Sam Stephenson wrote: > Anyone care to comment on the blatant misinformation here? > http://linux.com/linux@work/oscomp.phtml#l17 > Linux.com hasn't been up for 24 hours yet, and they're > already lying about BSD. > > The most obvious distortions are: > - Scalability: BSD is listed as "Small to Large," while > Linux is listed as "Small to Huge." > - Multi-Platform: No BSD runs only on one platform. > I think there are far mor obvious misconceptions. They have UNIX whith excellent connectivity (as well as linux) but *BSD only has good conectivity? Windows 96 SMB Only? I'm pretty sure they ship tcp/ip, ipx, etc. regards, -Oscar -- For PGP Public Key: finger obonilla@fisicc-ufm.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 19 16:23:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7F315164; Wed, 19 May 1999 16:23:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05101; Wed, 19 May 1999 16:23:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd005007; Wed May 19 16:22:57 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA09945; Wed, 19 May 1999 16:22:53 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> Message-Id: <199905192322.QAA09945@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: BSDI giving out old info? To: wes@softweyr.com (Wes Peters) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:22:53 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, chris@calldei.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3741BE86.54C4512B@softweyr.com> from "Wes Peters" at May 18, 99 01:24:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The COM and DCOM books describe it in sufficient detail that it can > > be implemented. The one caveat is that EGCS vtable support sucks. > > Another caveat is that ActiveX is a giant can of bugs waiting to be released. > Do we really WANT to advertise support for ActiveX? I thought not. Actually, there are a large number of ActiveX modules that run on both Windows platforms and x86 Solaris. The IE version for x86 Solaris depends upon it. > > These are supported via the WIDE/INRIA/LANL code, though the WIDE stuff > > appears more mature. FreeBSD is not, however, shipping it. > > 3rd party? Installation's a bitch... unless you have 2.2.8. > You seem to assume other vendors have *working* SNMP implementations also. > I can testify from first-hand experience that this is only sort of true. > Working == works great if you use OUR management application to manage > OUR switches/servers/hosts. I'm saying that if you're going to correct them in public, then you need to meet some definition of "works". > > > > IPv6 It was developed on FreeBSD! Yes > > > > > > I wonder why they put N/A, then. > > > > FreeBSD is not shipping it, and it is not a package. > > 3rd party then, right? Same versioning problems as the VPN (IPSEC) stuff: ot for -current, not for 3.2-RELEASE. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 19 16:33: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from b.mx.crl.com (bmx.crl.com [165.113.1.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A81315164 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Wed, 19 May 1999 16:32:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anarchy@crl.com) Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by b.mx.crl.com (8.8.7/) via SMTP id QAA07262; Wed, 19 May 1999 16:32:45 -0700 (PDT) env-from (anarchy@crl.com) Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:32:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Manes <anarchy@crl.com> To: Sam Stephenson <sam@conio.net> Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: linux.com misconceptions In-Reply-To: <99051916483400.07598@thanatos.conio.net> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.990519160827.2061C-100000@crl.crl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Did anyone else look at the descriptions? Its even more sickening then the chart. For example, the BSD description hints that the systems were long ago discarded by corperations because of their lack of power, that they are only good as dedicated systems such as routers, that they are INCOMPATABLE with much of Unix, that the community has a bad attitude towards Linux's success, and that Linux has an advantage because it is a a more compatable system that runs more server level hardware and has outstanding TCP/IP support. If you even get the chance to read the other descriptions, they make out Linux to be the only good OS out of the bunch as every other system has problems. I find that all a little disturbing... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 19 16:53:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0475014D95 for <FreeBSD-advocacy@FreeBSD.org>; Wed, 19 May 1999 16:53:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA09756; Thu, 20 May 1999 09:23:03 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id JAA09348; Thu, 20 May 1999 09:22:57 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:22:57 +0930 From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> To: Donald Wilde <dwilde1@thuntek.net> Cc: FreeBSD advocacy list <FreeBSD-advocacy@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: linux.com misconceptions Message-ID: <19990520092257.M89091@freebie.lemis.com> References: <99051916483400.07598@thanatos.conio.net> <37432551.6808FC52@thuntek.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <37432551.6808FC52@thuntek.net>; from Donald Wilde on Wed, May 19, 1999 at 02:55:45PM -0600 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wednesday, 19 May 1999 at 14:55:45 -0600, Donald Wilde wrote: > Sam Stephenson wrote: >> >> Anyone care to comment on the blatant misinformation here? >> http://linux.com/linux@work/oscomp.phtml#l17 >> Linux.com hasn't been up for 24 hours yet, and they're >> already lying about BSD. >> >> The most obvious distortions are: >> - Scalability: BSD is listed as "Small to Large," while >> Linux is listed as "Small to Huge." > > They're probably referring to Beowolf clustering techniques as their > "huge". That doesn't change the fact that the typical Linux system doesn't scale well. And IIRC Beowulf dies if one processor dies, making it less reliable, not more. Don, I think you're the guy to write them a calm, friendly letter explaining the inaccuracies, in particular referring to the Gardener Group report. You should also remind them of BSD/OS and OpenBSD as well. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 19 17:39:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from cheddar.netmonger.net (cheddar.netmonger.net [209.54.21.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1806314EAA; Wed, 19 May 1999 17:39:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@cheddar.netmonger.net) Received: (from chris@localhost) by cheddar.netmonger.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA18513; Wed, 19 May 1999 20:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990519203924.B14096@netmonger.net> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:39:24 -0400 From: Christopher Masto <chris@netmonger.net> To: jgrosch@MooseRiver.com, Chris Costello <chris@calldei.com> Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDI giving out old info? References: <19990517205015.C15030@holly.dyndns.org> <19990518092553.A19168@ontario.mooseriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19990518092553.A19168@ontario.mooseriver.com>; from Josef Grosch on Tue, May 18, 1999 at 09:25:53AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 18, 1999 at 09:25:53AM -0700, Josef Grosch wrote: > On Mon, May 17, 1999 at 08:50:15PM -0500, Chris Costello wrote: > > I read some interesting things at the URL below -- perhaps > > it's out of date. It says that there are no Front Page > > extensions, no email support, and no 'patch server' (does > > cvsup*.freebsd.org count?). > > > > http://www.BSDI.COM/products/internet/40-qna.mhtml#Q5 > > I love the entry under Reliability, "Uptimes > 1 year". They list BSDI as > having this as "Std" but FreeBSD is blank. Did someone forget to install > the "Uptime > 1 year" package ? ;-) Unfortunately an extended power outage ended it, but we had a machine here that was well over 600 days. And I still have never lost a production machine to a FreeBSD crash. In what must be over 25 machine-years of administering them. Meanwhile I've watched those around me with proprietary operating systems lose everything.. in one case, running a demo program in Visual Foxpro caused a colleague's Windows 98 system to crash and never boot again. Now it's been about two months since the power outage.. aaa up 66+21:30, 0 users, load 0.10, 0.10, 0.08 bbb up 66+21:09, 2 users, load 0.34, 0.33, 0.32 ccc up 66+21:03, 0 users, load 0.01, 0.03, 0.00 ddd up 66+20:39, 0 users, load 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ... -- Christopher Masto Senior Network Monkey NetMonger Communications chris@netmonger.net info@netmonger.net http://www.netmonger.net Free yourself, free your machine, free the daemon -- http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 19 19: 7:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from void.bloodletting.com (void.bloodletting.com [209.31.32.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 681C9156F5 for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Wed, 19 May 1999 19:07:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cryptic@bloodletting.com) Received: (qmail 14286 invoked from network); 20 May 1999 02:16:21 -0000 Received: from rust.bloodletting.com (HELO rust) (10.6.66.13) by void.bloodletting.com with SMTP; 20 May 1999 02:16:21 -0000 From: "Nick Popoff" <cryptic@bloodletting.com> To: <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: linux.com misconceptions Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:10:22 -0700 Message-ID: <000401bea265$eab54f20$0d42060a@rust.bloodletting.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I wrote the Linux.com folks complaining about how badly done that=20 comparison was, and recieved this response within a few minutes: ------------ I'm very sorry the 'OS Comparisons' article prompted the reaction it did. We have had a number of readers react strongly to the portrayal of *BSD in Phil Hughes' article. When racing to build content on Linux.com, we solicited articles from a number of sources; we did not = try to promote any agenda in our content, only offer an unbiased look at = Linux from as many perspectives as possible. VA Research did not in any way influence the specifics of the content on Linux.com and will not do so = in the future.=20 Clearly, we need to revisit the 'OS Comparisons' document. More=20 than likely, we will revise the article and include a footnote = addressing=20 your concerns and the concers of others in the UNIX community. I very=20 much hope that you will revisit Linux.com and pardon our oversight. Sincerely, James Byers jbyers@linux.com Linux.com Sr. Developer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 19 20: 3:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (smtp2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845F3153D0 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Wed, 19 May 1999 20:03:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuyman@confusion.net) Received: from confusion.net (user-2iveanc.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.42.236]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA19415 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Wed, 19 May 1999 23:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37437B22.F6D6080D@confusion.net> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:01:54 -0400 From: Laurence Berland <stuyman@confusion.net> Organization: B.R.A.T.T. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Linux.com article Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After seeing the site, I was silly enough to write back to them before reading advocacy. I got a quick response from them, where they told me something that wasnt mentioned in the post by nick. They have pulled the article. -- Laurence Berland To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 20 6:24:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from firewall1.lehman.com (firewall1.Lehman.COM [192.147.65.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE78A14D2D for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Thu, 20 May 1999 06:24:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nclayton@lehman.com) Received: from relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com by firewall1.lehman.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA12576; Thu, 20 May 1999 09:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lonmailhost.lehman.com by relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) id JAA06115; Thu, 20 May 1999 09:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lonmailhost.lehman.com (SMI-8.6/Lehman Bros. V1.5) id OAA23146; Thu, 20 May 1999 14:23:12 +0100 Message-ID: <19990520142312.K12185@lehman.com> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:23:12 +0100 From: nclayton@lehman.com To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD site 5th most popular Unix site Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i Organization: Lehman Brothers Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have no idea how good their methodology is, but the FreeBSD website is ranked 5th in the list of the web's most popular Unix sites, at http://www.100hot.com/unix/ The top 10 are 1. Sun Microsystem 2. SGI 3. Network Associates 4. The Linux Home Page (linux.org) 5. FreeBSD Inc. 6. Linux HQ 7. Debian 8. Linux kernel archives 9. Linux Now 10. Platform Computing Corporation. I'm a little bit suspicious that slashdot.org isn't in the top 50. . . N -- --+==[ Systems Administrator, Year 2000 Test Lab, Lehman Brothers, Inc. ]==+-- --+==[ 1 Broadgate, London, EC2M 7HA 0171-601-0011 x5514 ]==+-- --+==[ Year 2000 Testing: It's about time. . . ]==+-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 20 7: 9:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C8415072 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 20 May 1999 07:09:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id HAA07353; Thu, 20 May 1999 07:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id HAA24682; Thu, 20 May 1999 07:08:45 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.39]) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA12619; Thu, 20 May 99 07:08:40 PDT Message-Id: <3744174F.EA4A3BA0@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:08:15 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: nclayton@lehman.com Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD site 5th most popular Unix site References: <19990520142312.K12185@lehman.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG nclayton@lehman.com wrote: > > I have no idea how good their methodology is, but the FreeBSD website is > ranked 5th in the list of the web's most popular Unix sites, at > > http://www.100hot.com/unix/ > > The top 10 are > > 1. Sun Microsystem > 2. SGI > 3. Network Associates > 4. The Linux Home Page (linux.org) > 5. FreeBSD Inc. > 6. Linux HQ > 7. Debian > 8. Linux kernel archives > 9. Linux Now > 10. Platform Computing Corporation. > > I'm a little bit suspicious that slashdot.org isn't in the top 50. . . Slashdot isn't a UNIX site, it's a news site. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 20 7:24:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.thuntek.net (srv1.thuntek.net [206.206.98.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB24D14C06 for <FreeBSD-advocacy@FreeBSD.org>; Thu, 20 May 1999 07:24:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-023.thuntek.net [207.66.52.23]) by srv1.thuntek.net (8.9.1/8.6.12TNT1.0) with ESMTP id IAA22724; Thu, 20 May 1999 08:24:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <37441A7F.68BD9EF2@thuntek.net> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:21:51 -0600 From: Donald Wilde <dwilde1@thuntek.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> Cc: FreeBSD advocacy list <FreeBSD-advocacy@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: linux.com misconceptions References: <99051916483400.07598@thanatos.conio.net> <37432551.6808FC52@thuntek.net> <19990520092257.M89091@freebie.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > > Don, I think you're the guy to write them a calm, friendly letter > explaining the inaccuracies, in particular referring to the Gardener > Group report. You should also remind them of BSD/OS and OpenBSD as > well. > Looks like the desired result has already been accomplished, although perhaps more bluntly than I would have asked for it. It's hard to use the GG report, since it's been officially pulled from the web, and they would not allow me to re-post it. Thanks for the VOC, though! -- Don Wilde "Bringing the Internet to everyone!" Wilde Media 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd. SE #117 voice: 505-771-0709 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 e-mail: dwilde1@thuntek.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 20 7:29: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.thuntek.net (srv1.thuntek.net [206.206.98.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B0414C06 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 20 May 1999 07:29:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-023.thuntek.net [207.66.52.23]) by srv1.thuntek.net (8.9.1/8.6.12TNT1.0) with ESMTP id IAA23083; Thu, 20 May 1999 08:28:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <37441B5B.F3B72A3A@thuntek.net> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:25:31 -0600 From: Donald Wilde <dwilde1@thuntek.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Cc: nclayton@lehman.com, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD site 5th most popular Unix site References: <19990520142312.K12185@lehman.com> <3744174F.EA4A3BA0@softweyr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wes Peters wrote: > > nclayton@lehman.com wrote: > > > > I have no idea how good their methodology is, but the FreeBSD website is > > ranked 5th in the list of the web's most popular Unix sites, at > > > > http://www.100hot.com/unix/ > > > > The top 10 are > > 3. Network Associates > > 5. FreeBSD Inc. And what the heck does Network Associates have to do with UNIX? They're only supporting Doze platforms now, aren't they? I could untersatand fwtk.org being considered a UN*X site, but NA??? -- Don Wilde "Bringing the Internet to everyone!" Wilde Media 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd. SE #117 voice: 505-771-0709 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 e-mail: dwilde1@thuntek.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 20 7:56:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from voyager.fisicc-ufm.edu (ip-46-094.guate.net [200.12.46.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAED5150AF for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 20 May 1999 07:56:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obonilla@voyager.fisicc-ufm.edu) Received: (from obonilla@localhost) by voyager.fisicc-ufm.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00873; Thu, 20 May 1999 08:55:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from obonilla) Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:55:47 -0600 From: Oscar Bonilla <obonilla@fisicc-ufm.edu> To: Nick Popoff <cryptic@bloodletting.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: linux.com misconceptions Message-ID: <19990520085547.A348@fisicc-ufm.edu> References: <000401bea265$eab54f20$0d42060a@rust.bloodletting.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <000401bea265$eab54f20$0d42060a@rust.bloodletting.com>; from Nick Popoff on Wed, May 19, 1999 at 07:10:22PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG well, the article is no longer available... i wonder how many complaints they received... -Oscar On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 07:10:22PM -0700, Nick Popoff wrote: > > I wrote the Linux.com folks complaining about how badly done that > comparison was, and recieved this response within a few minutes: > > ------------ > > I'm very sorry the 'OS Comparisons' article prompted the reaction > it did. We have had a number of readers react strongly to the portrayal > of *BSD in Phil Hughes' article. When racing to build content on > Linux.com, we solicited articles from a number of sources; we did not try > to promote any agenda in our content, only offer an unbiased look at Linux > from as many perspectives as possible. VA Research did not in any way > influence the specifics of the content on Linux.com and will not do so in > the future. > > Clearly, we need to revisit the 'OS Comparisons' document. More > than likely, we will revise the article and include a footnote addressing > your concerns and the concers of others in the UNIX community. I very > much hope that you will revisit Linux.com and pardon our oversight. > > Sincerely, > James Byers > jbyers@linux.com > Linux.com Sr. Developer > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > -- For PGP Public Key: finger obonilla@fisicc-ufm.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 20 16:50:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BAB514E6C for <FreeBSD-advocacy@FreeBSD.org>; Thu, 20 May 1999 16:50:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA15214; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:20:15 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id JAA13775; Fri, 21 May 1999 09:20:14 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:20:14 +0930 From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> To: Donald Wilde <dwilde1@thuntek.net> Cc: FreeBSD advocacy list <FreeBSD-advocacy@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: linux.com misconceptions Message-ID: <19990521092014.R89091@freebie.lemis.com> References: <99051916483400.07598@thanatos.conio.net> <37432551.6808FC52@thuntek.net> <19990520092257.M89091@freebie.lemis.com> <37441A7F.68BD9EF2@thuntek.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <37441A7F.68BD9EF2@thuntek.net>; from Donald Wilde on Thu, May 20, 1999 at 08:21:51AM -0600 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, 20 May 1999 at 8:21:51 -0600, Donald Wilde wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: >> > >> Don, I think you're the guy to write them a calm, friendly letter >> explaining the inaccuracies, in particular referring to the Gardener >> Group report. You should also remind them of BSD/OS and OpenBSD as >> well. >> > Looks like the desired result has already been accomplished, although > perhaps more bluntly than I would have asked for it. Agreed. I didn't see the original, but it sounds as if it could have been more tactful. As you see, the other side was more than reasonable. > It's hard to use the GG report, since it's been officially pulled > from the web, and they would not allow me to re-post it. I didn't think they would. But you're still allowed to quote it: "Gardner group report finds FreeBSD has 40% higher throughput than Linux" must be completely legal. > Thanks for the VOC, though! You're welcome. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 20 19:23: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from home (stargate.oeit.vic.edu.au [203.0.93.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DBBD15283 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Thu, 20 May 1999 19:22:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jsutton@genesis.net.au) Received: from localhost (jsutton@localhost) by home (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA14528 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Fri, 21 May 1999 12:25:41 +1000 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: stargate.home: jsutton owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:25:41 +1000 (EST) From: Joel Sutton <jsutton@genesis.net.au> X-Sender: jsutton@stargate.home To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: The Penguin Files... Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990521122248.14487E-100000@stargate.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greetings all, I just spotted this URL on www.freshmeat.net and thought that I would share it: http://corvette.me.vt.edu/pages/penguinfiles.html It's the same idea as the Ammunition section of advocacy.freebsd.org really. Perhaps there are some links that we could borrow? Cheers, Joel... --- Joel Sutton | Busy Bee Consulting Phone: 0409 426-563 | Melbourne, Australia Email: jsutton@genesis.net.au | http://www.genesis.net.au/~jsutton VicFUG Webmaster/Acting President | http://www.vicfug.au.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 20 23: 2:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from dt051nc7.san.rr.com (dt055nc1.san.rr.com [24.30.153.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD34214FFA; Thu, 20 May 1999 23:02:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051nc7.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA15201; Thu, 20 May 1999 23:02:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <3744F6F5.90267DDD@dal.net> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:02:29 -0700 From: Studded <Studded@dal.net> Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chris@calldei.com Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDI giving out old info? References: <19990517205015.C15030@holly.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chris Costello wrote: > > I read some interesting things at the URL below -- perhaps > it's out of date. It says that there are no Front Page > extensions, no email support, and no 'patch server' (does > cvsup*.freebsd.org count?). Please restrict these kinds of posts to -advocacy where they belong. Thanks Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** Nominated for quote of the year is the statement made by Representative Dick Armey (Texas), who when asked if he were in the President's place, would he resign, responded: "If I were in the President's place I would not get a chance to resign. I would be lying in a pool of my own blood hearing Mrs. Armey standing over me saying, 'How do I reload this damn thing?'" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 21 18:42:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F3015160 for <FreeBSD-advocacy@FreeBSD.org>; Fri, 21 May 1999 18:42:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA22870; Sat, 22 May 1999 11:12:11 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id LAA07991; Sat, 22 May 1999 11:12:11 +0930 (CST) Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 11:12:11 +0930 From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> To: FreeBSD advocacy list <FreeBSD-advocacy@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Marc.Touboul@bull.net Subject: Re: Interest to develop our product on FreeBSD Message-ID: <19990522111210.V14371@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This went through -questions. Maybe somebody here would like to answer Marc's questions. Greg ----- Forwarded message from Marc.Touboul@bull.net ----- > Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > X-Lotus-FromDomain: BULL > To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > Cc: Michel.Lanaspeze@bull.net > Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:50:40 +0200 > X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Precedence: bulk > > Hi, > > We would like to analyse opportunity to deploy a strategy on FreeBSD for > one of our application. > > Do you know if there is any information about the profile of freeBSD users. > > Information I would need are : > How many sites with how many servers? (In fact we would be interested in > sites with lot of freebsd servers) > How many sites for which usage (R&D, WEB Server..) > .... > > Thank you for your help ----- End forwarded message ----- -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 23 5: 3:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from wanadoo.fr (smtp-out-005.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B3B014C42 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sun, 23 May 1999 05:03:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephane@wanadoo.fr) Received: from bdijon1-1-85.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.250.67.85] by wanadoo.fr for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG> Paris Sun, 23 May 1999 14:03:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from stephane@localhost) by sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA00749; Sun, 23 May 1999 12:49:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from stephane) Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:49:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199905231049.MAA00749@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo> From: Stephane Legrand <Stephane.Legrand@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD 3.1 distributed in a French magazine X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE has been distributed in the May issue of the French magazine "Programmez!". There is only the first cd-rom but of course it's enough to try the OS. The editor can be contacted at feedback@planetepc.fr Stephane Legrand. -- Stephane.Legrand@wanadoo.fr : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/stephane.legrand/ FreeBSD Francophone : http://www.freebsd-fr.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 24 17:16:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mta3.mail.telepac.pt (mail7.telepac.pt [194.65.3.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE9414CE7 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Mon, 24 May 1999 17:16:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjna@mail.telepac.pt) Received: from mail.telepac.pt ([194.65.238.117]) by mta3.mail.telepac.pt (InterMail v03.02.07 118-124-101) with ESMTP id <19990525001628.DICG478@mail.telepac.pt> for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Tue, 25 May 1999 01:16:28 +0100 Message-ID: <3749EB11.1F1D1B70@mail.telepac.pt> Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 01:13:05 +0100 From: Miguel Narciso Almeida <mjna@mail.telepac.pt> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: pt, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Reference in Windows NT Systems Magazine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Just saw a reference to FreeBSD in an article about thin servers in a Windows NT specific magazine; the URL is http://www.ntsystems.com/db_area/archive/1999/9906/306r1.shtml -- Miguel Narciso Almeida mjna@mail.telepac.pt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 26 2:19:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A678E14CAB for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Wed, 26 May 1999 02:19:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id LAA02309; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:19:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local-smtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 10mZr3-0007rQ-00; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:20:05 +0200 Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:20:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Adam Szilveszter <sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Bill Gates mentions FreeBSD in interview In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990521122248.14487E-100000@stargate.home> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990526110024.29444C-100000@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! I have just come across an article in issue 4/1999 of the German IT magazine "c't - Magazin fuer computer-technik" which might be of interest. Sadly enough, the article is not available online but it is an exclusive interview made in Bonn, Germany after the "The road Ahead" awards. Mostly it deals with software bugs and Windows2000 but there is a section on Free Software and Linux as well. It reads in relevant part: (translation by me) Q: How big is the pressure from Linux on NT in reality? Linux has been increasingly moving in even in big corporate environments. Could this be a danger to NT? Gates: Windows NT has always had some competitors. FreeBSD has existed a for a long time. Apache, which is free software, has been used by big firms for quite some time as well. It is possible that you have not noticed it yet until now. We have had to compete with FreeSoftware for a longer period of time. [...snip] The rest is the ususal blah-blah and therefore of no interest:-) Maybe we should make some more marketing, after all, Gates is considering us to be serious competition:-) Cheers: Szilveszter Szeged University Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 26 14:15: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from info.isinet.com (mail2.isinet.com [199.4.155.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3544314D04 for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:14:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aturoff@isinet.com) Received: (qmail 28272 invoked from network); 26 May 1999 21:09:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO isinet.com) (aturoff@10.10.10.221) by info.isinet.com with SMTP; 26 May 1999 21:09:50 -0000 Message-ID: <374C645E.3E5E03F5@isinet.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:15:10 -0400 From: Adam Turoff <aturoff@isinet.com> Reply-To: aturoff@isinet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: www.dell.com/linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, Dell finally did it. Looks to me like they're taking the time and testing the RH6.0 config on three of their higher end boxes, so they ship in a supportable condition. How much work would it be to approach Micron and have them offer FreeBSD 3.2 as a "supportable" configuration? -- Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 26 14:34:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (unknown [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4602D14F5F for <advocacy@FreeBSD.org>; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:33:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA295929187; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:19:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:19:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola <billf@chc-chimes.com> To: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: advocacy pages. Message-Id: <Pine.HPP.3.96.990526131832.22956E-100000@hp9000.chc-chimes.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Advocacy guys and gals, Please send me a tarball of your entire cvs repository (the files checked out, not the rcs files, please). First one to send them gets a Cookie. Thanks, - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 26 14:52:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (unknown [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797CC15665 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:51:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA004030225; Wed, 26 May 1999 13:37:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:37:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola <billf@chc-chimes.com> To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy pages. In-Reply-To: <Pine.HPP.3.96.990526131832.22956E-100000@hp9000.chc-chimes.com> Message-Id: <Pine.HPP.3.96.990526133640.22956F-100000@hp9000.chc-chimes.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 26 May 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote: > Advocacy guys and gals, Meaning advocacy.freebsd.org guys and gals, in case that wasn't clear. Sorry. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 26 14:58: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from fed-ef1.frb.gov (fed.frb.gov [132.200.32.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8FB8157C9 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 26 May 1999 14:58:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seth@freebie.dp.ny.frb.org) Received: by fed-ef1.frb.gov; id RAA28258; Wed, 26 May 1999 17:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1pmdf.frb.gov(192.168.3.38) by fed.frb.gov via smap (V4.2) id xma028076; Wed, 26 May 99 17:57:42 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:57:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Seth <seth@freebie.dp.ny.frb.org> Subject: Re: www.dell.com/linux In-reply-to: <374C645E.3E5E03F5@isinet.com> To: Adam Turoff <aturoff@isinet.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905261756580.27788-100000@freebie.dp.ny.frb.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've been working with Jordan in trying to convince Dell to certify FreeBSD on their servers. No luck yet, but there's still hope. SB On Wed, 26 May 1999, Adam Turoff wrote: > Well, Dell finally did it. > > Looks to me like they're taking the time and testing the > RH6.0 config on three of their higher end boxes, so they > ship in a supportable condition. > > How much work would it be to approach Micron and have them > offer FreeBSD 3.2 as a "supportable" configuration? > > -- Adam > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 26 17:55:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xwin.nmhtech.com (xwin.nmhtech.com [208.138.46.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C4F14FA6 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Wed, 26 May 1999 17:55:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nicole@xwin.nmhtech.com) Received: by xwin.nmhtech.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id ACAD82EE1A; Wed, 26 May 1999 17:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Content-Length: 1433 Message-ID: <XFMail.990526175550.nicole@nmhtech.com> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:55:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Nicole Harrington <nicole@nmhtech.com> To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: advocacy chuckle Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As many of you know I manage a server for an online newspaper (www.worldnetdaily.com) that now gets almost 4M hits a day. I just got informed today from the webmaster that the owner has now refuse= d to talk about the server anymore becouse everytime people ask him how many ser= vers he has doing all this, and he replies (1) they say, "no I mean how many boxes, you know servers for everything" and he still says (1). Apperantly t= hey then keep telling him he must not understand or treat him like he is cluele= ss. The webmaster blames it on too many NT oriented people asking the question= s.... He now just says.. sorry that is classified or some such thing... No, really.. Just one FreeBSD server.. No really... Yes Mail too...no jus= t a dual 333... No, not even a Xeon... No.. Really! Nicole |\ __ /| (`\ =20 | o_o |__ ) ) =20 // \\ =20 nicole@nmhtech.com | http://www.webweaver.net/ webmistress@dangermouse.org | http://www.dangermouse.org -------------------------(((---(((----------------------- =20 - Powered by Coka Cola and FreeBSD - - Strong enough for a man - But made for a Woman - =20 - I'm not ADD - I'm just Multithreaded - - Microsoft: What bug would you like today? - ---------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 26 18:34:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 716D7150B2 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 26 May 1999 18:34:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id SAA13127; Wed, 26 May 1999 18:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id SAA15023; Wed, 26 May 1999 18:34:43 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn2.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA13835; Wed, 26 May 99 18:34:41 PDT Message-Id: <374CA131.A29375C@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 19:34:41 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Nicole Harrington <nicole@nmhtech.com> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy chuckle References: <XFMail.990526175550.nicole@nmhtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nicole Harrington wrote: > > As many of you know I manage a server for an online newspaper > (www.worldnetdaily.com) that now gets almost 4M hits a day. > I just got informed today from the webmaster that the owner has now refused to > talk about the server anymore becouse everytime people ask him how many servers > he has doing all this, and he replies (1) they say, "no I mean how many > boxes, you know servers for everything" and he still says (1). Apperantly they > then keep telling him he must not understand or treat him like he is clueless. > The webmaster blames it on too many NT oriented people asking the questions.... > > He now just says.. sorry that is classified or some such thing... > > No, really.. Just one FreeBSD server.. No really... Yes Mail too...no just a > dual 333... No, not even a Xeon... No.. Really! Sounds like you need a web page, preferable wired into dmesg. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 26 20:37:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from cygnus.rush.net (cygnus.rush.net [209.45.245.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B7915152 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:37:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@rush.net) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by cygnus.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA04495; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:55:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 22:55:55 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein <bright@rush.net> To: kahn <kahn@deadbbs.com> Cc: "'Mark L. Holloway'" <mlholloway@yahoo.com>, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Windows NT In-Reply-To: <000501bea7d6$552cec80$a4f40518@cx273271-a.pwy1.sdca.home.com> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990526224414.9491q-100000@cygnus.rush.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 26 May 1999, kahn wrote: > >> I'm not trying to start a flame war..I am just curious. If NT is as >> horrible of an OS as everyone claims then why do web sites like >> Barnes and Noble, Ebay, CDW, and BuyComp (among others) use it? >> >> I'm not trying to praise NT - just wanting some information >> explaining why people should choose one OS over another. >> >> >> Regards, >> Mark >> > I would have to say NT is not as bad as I would like it to be. Granted I > have to restart it more then any of my UNIX machines, It is still not that > bad. I use NT to host my web-based email, beacuse I use exchange as the > server. I use FreeBSD as the host for my main pages. > > Most companys use NT simple because it is expected of them, or just simpler > to setup. Even better for the big companies, It seems better to go with a > product that has a responsible company behind it. This is not to say that > Micro$oft is a responsible company, just responsible for their product. For > the systems I have setup here and there, I use what ever the customer wants. > > Hope this helps. It doesn't help, and you are perpetuating a total lie, ever notice the the "License Agreement" the you always click "yes" to whenever you install ANY aplication or are bound to by simply open the shrinkwrap. it goes somewhat along the lines of: --- "We ain't responsible if this stuff falls over and makes you go broke cause you loose all your customers, or if the machine catches fire, etc, etc, etc..." Do you agree to this absurdity? (YES) (no) --- Microsoft may support you if you pay them _enough_, but purchasing MS software in no way insures you against a blue screen of death. They are not "responsible for their product", they make sure you sign off to that whenever you install or open one of their products. NT is just used because of marketting, NT is used because because the lowest commmon demoninator in computing is sliding away from us. NT is used because people are just damn lazy and would rather be stuck in GUI hell than have the flexibility offered by unix. rant rant etc.. sorry, I just hate the "well it's a commercial app, the company will stand behind it" speel, it just doesn't happen except in IT people's fantasies. How is MS ever going to recoup you for downtime in the real world? -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 26 20:44:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from cygnus.rush.net (cygnus.rush.net [209.45.245.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28BF915152 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:44:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@rush.net) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by cygnus.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA28389; Wed, 26 May 1999 23:04:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 23:04:56 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein <bright@rush.net> To: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Cc: Nicole Harrington <nicole@nmhtech.com>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: advocacy chuckle In-Reply-To: <374CA131.A29375C@softweyr.com> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990526225816.9491r-100000@cygnus.rush.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 26 May 1999, Wes Peters wrote: > Nicole Harrington wrote: > > > > As many of you know I manage a server for an online newspaper > > (www.worldnetdaily.com) that now gets almost 4M hits a day. > > I just got informed today from the webmaster that the owner has now refused to > > talk about the server anymore becouse everytime people ask him how many servers > > he has doing all this, and he replies (1) they say, "no I mean how many > > boxes, you know servers for everything" and he still says (1). Apperantly they > > then keep telling him he must not understand or treat him like he is clueless. > > The webmaster blames it on too many NT oriented people asking the questions.... > > > > He now just says.. sorry that is classified or some such thing... > > > > No, really.. Just one FreeBSD server.. No really... Yes Mail too...no just a > > dual 333... No, not even a Xeon... No.. Really! > > Sounds like you need a web page, preferable wired into dmesg. ;^) why not make the "Powered By FreeBSD" button go to a page like that, with a link from there to www.freebsd.org? y'know I find it ultra cool that a big site like that carries the "Powered By FreeBSD" logo, really nice unlike some other large sites. *cough* you know who you are *cough* :) -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 26 22: 6: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75DB814D15 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:06:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.75]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA66CB; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:06:04 +0200 Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org (abaddon@daemon [192.168.0.1]) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA68689; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:06:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Message-ID: <XFMail.990527070618.asmodai@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905261756580.27788-100000@freebie.dp.ny.frb.org> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:06:18 +0200 (CEST) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> To: Seth <seth@freebie.dp.ny.frb.org> Subject: Re: www.dell.com/linux Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Adam Turoff <aturoff@isinet.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 26-May-99 Seth wrote: > I've been working with Jordan in trying to convince Dell to certify > FreeBSD on their servers. No luck yet, but there's still hope. We have been running a 2.2-CAM SNAP FreeBSD for a while now on our PowerEdge 2300 and it works a-ok. We also have some PowerEdge 2200 & 2100's which run 2.2.5 or higher, plus some Optiplexes which run 3.2-STABLE at the moment for our desktop work using Window Maker. The OptiPlexes do have one quirk, they produce a stray ` every now and then. But FreeBSD runs great on Dells... --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The FreeBSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist <http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai> *BSD: Accept no limitations... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 26 22:26:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D86615152 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:26:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.23]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA142B; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:26:08 +0200 Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org (abaddon@daemon [192.168.0.1]) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA69188; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:26:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Message-ID: <XFMail.990527072621.asmodai@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <374CA131.A29375C@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:26:21 +0200 (CEST) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> To: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Subject: Re: advocacy chuckle Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Nicole Harrington <nicole@nmhtech.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 27-May-99 Wes Peters wrote: > Nicole Harrington wrote: >> He now just says.. sorry that is classified or some such thing... >> >> No, really.. Just one FreeBSD server.. No really... Yes Mail too...no >> just a dual 333... No, not even a Xeon... No.. Really! > > Sounds like you need a web page, preferable wired into dmesg. ;^) Yeah sure, and ye expect those NT-minded loonies to comprehend that Wes? ;) --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The FreeBSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist <http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai> *BSD: Accept no limitations... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 26 22:33:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from leap.innerx.net (leap.innerx.net [38.179.176.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A3314CE5 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:33:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.dyndns.org) Received: from holly.dyndns.org (ip136.houston13.tx.pub-ip.psi.net [38.27.213.136]) by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA5437089; Thu, 27 May 1999 01:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08007; Thu, 27 May 1999 00:34:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chris) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 00:34:12 -0500 From: Chris Costello <chris@calldei.com> To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> Cc: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Nicole Harrington <nicole@nmhtech.com> Subject: Re: advocacy chuckle Message-ID: <19990527003412.E7523@holly.dyndns.org> Reply-To: chris@calldei.com References: <374CA131.A29375C@softweyr.com> <XFMail.990527072621.asmodai@wxs.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.2i In-Reply-To: <XFMail.990527072621.asmodai@wxs.nl>; from Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai on Thu, May 27, 1999 at 07:26:21AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 27, 1999, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > Yeah sure, and ye expect those NT-minded loonies to comprehend that Wes? ;) "Looks too technical to be faked." -- Chris Costello <chris@calldei.com> Computers talk to each other worse than their designers do. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 26 22:39: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from neptune.psn.net (unknown [207.211.58.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8E314DF2 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:38:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrews@technologist.com) Received: from 5042-243.008.popsite.net ([209.224.140.243] helo=shadow) by neptune.psn.net with smtp (PSN Internet Service 2.12 #3) for advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG id 10mssc-0007fD-00; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:38:58 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990527013226.008ae120@MAIL.PSN.NET> X-Sender: andrews@MAIL.PSN.NET X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 01:32:26 -0400 To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Will Andrews <andrews@TECHNOLOGIST.COM> Subject: Re: www.dell.com/linux In-Reply-To: <XFMail.990527070618.asmodai@wxs.nl> References: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905261756580.27788-100000@freebie.dp.ny.frb.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 07:06 AM 5/27/99 +0200, you wrote: >But FreeBSD runs great on Dells... Yeah.. it runs GREAT on my Inspiron 7000... now just tell me how the FSCK i'm supposed to get rid of this !$%!@ Lucent WinModem! They told me there is no alternative to this internal modem.. and that his internal slot was designed ONLY for !@$!@# Lucent Winmodem!! A warning for those of you considering running FreeBSD on a Dell laptop - don't! Unless they have changed and now offer more alternatives to Lucent WinModems or any other kind of Winmodems, which is very likely considering this laptop was bought in November 1998, don't bother buying one if yer just gonna run FreeBSD on it. And just FYI - it's running FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE. CD-installed. -- Will Andrews <andrews@TECHNOLOGIST.COM> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 26 22:54: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8EA8315110 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:53:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dpilgrim@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 20576 invoked by alias); 27 May 1999 05:53:52 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 20540 invoked by uid 0); 27 May 1999 05:53:51 -0000 Received: from cdsl201.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (209.180.170.201) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 27 May 1999 05:53:51 -0000 Message-ID: <374CDDEA.F67F5E23@uswest.net> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 22:53:46 -0700 From: <dpilgrim@uswest.net> Organization: Neatly stacked heaps of digital chaos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> Cc: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Nicole Harrington <nicole@nmhtech.com> Subject: Re: advocacy chuckle References: <XFMail.990527072621.asmodai@wxs.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > On 27-May-99 Wes Peters wrote: >> Nicole Harrington wrote: >>> He now just says.. sorry that is classified or some such thing... >>> >>> No, really.. Just one FreeBSD server.. No really... Yes Mail too...no >>> just a dual 333... No, not even a Xeon... No.. Really! >> >> Sounds like you need a web page, preferable wired into dmesg. ;^) > > Yeah sure, and ye expect those NT-minded loonies to comprehend that Wes? ;) Being a former[1] NT-minded loonie I can testify that dmesg output isn't all that hard to read. 1: Reformed by hard work and MA's 12-step program. I'm just a loonie now. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 27 5:21:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7424A14F8B for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 27 May 1999 05:21:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.197.19]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA499C; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:21:45 +0200 Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org (abaddon@daemon [192.168.0.1]) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA69993; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:21:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Message-ID: <XFMail.990527142127.asmodai@wxs.nl> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990527013226.008ae120@MAIL.PSN.NET> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:21:27 +0200 (CEST) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> To: Will Andrews <andrews@TECHNOLOGIST.COM> Subject: Re: www.dell.com/linux Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 27-May-99 Will Andrews wrote: > At 07:06 AM 5/27/99 +0200, you wrote: >>But FreeBSD runs great on Dells... > > Yeah.. it runs GREAT on my Inspiron 7000... now just tell me how the FSCK > i'm supposed to get rid of this !$%!@ Lucent WinModem! They told me there > is no alternative to this internal modem.. and that his internal slot was > designed ONLY for !@$!@# Lucent Winmodem!! Then don't buy an Inspiron =P I have a Latitude CP... Does wonders to a person *G* --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The FreeBSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist <http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai> *BSD: Accept no limitations... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 27 7:41:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from fed-ef1.frb.gov (fed.frb.gov [132.200.32.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D2614C58 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:41:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seth@freebie.dp.ny.frb.org) Received: by fed-ef1.frb.gov; id KAA27334; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1pmdf.frb.gov(192.168.3.38) by fed.frb.gov via smap (V4.2) id xma026997; Thu, 27 May 99 10:40:35 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:40:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Seth <seth@freebie.dp.ny.frb.org> Subject: Re: www.dell.com/linux In-reply-to: <XFMail.990527070618.asmodai@wxs.nl> To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Adam Turoff <aturoff@isinet.com> Message-id: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905271036050.29470-100000@freebie.dp.ny.frb.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 27 May 1999, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > > The OptiPlexes do have one quirk, they produce a stray ` every now and then. > > But FreeBSD runs great on Dells... I agree, and am THRILLED that you see the same behavior! I was going NUTS with this backtick. I think it's a problem with the keyboard interface, since even under Windows the keyboard becomes unresponsive sometimes (requiring me to pull the connector and reinsert). This is speculation, of course, since I can't tie the two symptoms together, but there ya go. I've got -STABLE running on a Dell Precision dual-Xeon machine now, and it screams. Buildworld takes 35 minutes, and that's w/o MFS, which should speed things up even more (? I've been told that, anyway). I've been running FreeBSD on Dells for 4 years now and have had no problems at all. SB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 27 7:54:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from server.computeralt.com (server.computeralt.com [207.41.29.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A83EE151C1 for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Thu, 27 May 1999 07:54:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott@computeralt.com) Received: from scott (scott.computeralt.com [207.41.29.100]) by server.computeralt.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA26974 for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Thu, 27 May 1999 10:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.54.19990527105332.036ed880@mail.computeralt.com> X-Sender: scott@mail.computeralt.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.54 (Beta) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:54:30 -0400 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org From: "Scott I. Remick" <scott@computeralt.com> Subject: FreeBSD on c|Net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG c|Net just did a review on alternatives to Windoze, and FreeBSD 3.2 was one of the OSes reviewed.... yay! <http://home.cnet.com/category/0-3709-7-284910.html> ----------------------- Scott I. Remick scott@computeralt.com Network and Information (802)388-7545 ext. 236 Systems Manager FAX:(802)388-3697 Computer Alternatives, Inc. http://www.computeralt.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 27 8:29:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6597214D67 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:29:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id IAA19411; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:29:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id IAA09762; Thu, 27 May 1999 08:29:13 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.39]) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA20189; Thu, 27 May 99 08:29:00 PDT Message-Id: <374D64BA.3062C5EF@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:28:58 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Scott I. Remick" <scott@computeralt.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on c|Net References: <4.2.0.54.19990527105332.036ed880@mail.computeralt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Scott I. Remick" wrote: > > c|Net just did a review on alternatives to Windoze, and FreeBSD 3.2 was one > of the OSes reviewed.... yay! > > <http://home.cnet.com/category/0-3709-7-284910.html> So which operating system did their "pseudo-scientific personality quiz" come up with for you? Mine was, surprisingly enough, FreeBSD. ;^) Be honest. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 27 9: 8:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from info.isinet.com (mail2.isinet.com [199.4.155.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F9C815181 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 27 May 1999 09:07:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aturoff@isinet.com) Received: (qmail 22120 invoked from network); 27 May 1999 16:02:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO isinet.com) (aturoff@10.10.10.221) by info.isinet.com with SMTP; 27 May 1999 16:02:43 -0000 Message-ID: <374D6DE7.306D2847@isinet.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:08:07 -0400 From: Adam Turoff <aturoff@isinet.com> Reply-To: aturoff@isinet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Will Andrews <andrews@TECHNOLOGIST.COM> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: www.dell.com/linux References: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905261756580.27788-100000@freebie.dp.ny.frb.org> <3.0.6.32.19990527013226.008ae120@MAIL.PSN.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Will Andrews wrote: > > At 07:06 AM 5/27/99 +0200, you wrote: > >But FreeBSD runs great on Dells... > > Yeah.. it runs GREAT on my Inspiron 7000... now just tell me how the FSCK > i'm supposed to get rid of this !$%!@ Lucent WinModem! They told me there > is no alternative to this internal modem.. and that his internal slot was > designed ONLY for !@$!@# Lucent Winmodem!! I just got a Dell Laptop, mostly because a colleague said that it worked great with a RedHat install. (Maybe Debian). Foolish me, I buy one and start to install FreeBSD. I didn't order the builtin winmodem, and asked for a pcmcia modem. Seems to be working fine so far. The worst part was ordering a 6GB drive and not having fips recognize it. So I had to fdisk and fsck the damn thing, and about the third try, I got it to dual boot. The install went wonderfully. Haven't managed to get X configured yet, but I'm blaming the problems on (1) Microsoft, (2) new video h/w, and (3) X. I expected all three. Z. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 27 13: 1:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from neptune.psn.net (unknown [207.211.58.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1928914FDA for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:01:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrews@technologist.com) Received: from 5042-243.008.popsite.net ([209.224.140.243] helo=shadow) by neptune.psn.net with smtp (PSN Internet Service 2.12 #3) for advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG id 10n6LX-0007gm-00; Thu, 27 May 1999 13:01:43 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990527155447.008b1be0@MAIL.PSN.NET> X-Sender: andrews@MAIL.PSN.NET X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:54:47 -0400 To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Will Andrews <andrews@TECHNOLOGIST.COM> Subject: Re: FreeBSD on c|Net In-Reply-To: <374D64BA.3062C5EF@softweyr.com> References: <4.2.0.54.19990527105332.036ed880@mail.computeralt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 09:28 AM 5/27/99 -0600, you wrote: >So which operating system did their "pseudo-scientific personality quiz" >come up with for you? Mine was, surprisingly enough, FreeBSD. ;^) > >Be honest. I certainly ended up with FreeBSD - "You're the do-it-yourself kind of person!".. not surprising, since I take the initiative to learn as much as I can about FreeBSD. :) Although I do object to the "do-it-yourself" conclusion that c|net takes in regards to FreeBSD... the Ports collection is rather easy to install, and every port/package is easy to manage.. the OS itself.. easy to install.. where's the do-it-yourself stuff? ;) Nevertheless, I'm glad they chose FreeBSD over other myopic choices, such as *cough* Solaris. They should have mentioned PicoBSD for the "small computing" idea, though.. => Advocate! -- Will Andrews <wca@gatekeep.net> System Administrator, Gatekeeper Technologies Powered by FreeBSD - http://www.gatekeep.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 27 14: 4:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vtopus.cs.vt.edu (vtopus.cs.vt.edu [128.173.40.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B553D159E1 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:04:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhagan@vtopus.cs.vt.edu) Received: (from dhagan@localhost) by vtopus.cs.vt.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id RAA11990 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Thu, 27 May 1999 17:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:03:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Hagan <dhagan@cs.vt.edu> To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www.dell.com/linux In-Reply-To: <374D6DE7.306D2847@isinet.com> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.02.9905271701480.5436-100000@vtopus.cs.vt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 27 May 1999, Adam Turoff wrote: > Will Andrews wrote: > > The install went wonderfully. Haven't managed to get X configured yet, but > I'm blaming the problems on (1) Microsoft, (2) new video h/w, and (3) X. > > I expected all three. > > Z. I briefly tested a Latitude CPi with FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE. Everything worked great. It had a NeoMagic card that was supported by whatever X shipped with 3.1. The PC-card ethernet controller didn't work with a generic kernel (3COM EtherLink III?), but I didn't have time to try to get it working before it went back to Dell. Daniel -- Daniel Hagan Computer Systems Engineer dhagan@cs.vt.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 27 14:19:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B0515A04 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Thu, 27 May 1999 14:19:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id XAA00665 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Thu, 27 May 1999 23:19:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by paula.panke.de.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.8.8) id VAA01353; Thu, 27 May 1999 21:21:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch) Message-ID: <19990527212124.09711@panke.de.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:21:24 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider <wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org> To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: [khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za: FreeBSD-praising article in LA Weekly] Reply-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Forwarded message from Khetan Gajjar <khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za> ----- Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:26:25 +0200 (SAST) From: Khetan Gajjar <khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za> Reply-To: Khetan Gajjar <khetan@os.org.za> To: webmaster@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD-praising article in LA Weekly Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905272025290.21350-100000@chain.freebsd.os.org.za> Hi. I was forwarded this, amazingly, from a Linux discussion group. http://www.laweekly.com/ink/99/27/cyber-lewis.shtml I must admit, I love the picture. [...] ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Wolfram Schneider <wosch@freebsd.org> http://wolfram.schneider.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 27 17:58:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4C414CB6 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Thu, 27 May 1999 17:58:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from bragg (bragg [129.127.36.34]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id KAA31765 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Fri, 28 May 1999 10:28:40 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost by bragg; (5.65/1.1.8.2/05Aug95-0227PM) id AA30603; Fri, 28 May 1999 10:29:39 +0930 Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:29:39 +0930 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway <kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au> X-Sender: kkennawa@bragg To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Microsoft praises FreeBSD Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.4.10.9905281020560.3510-100000@bragg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In a moment of boredom at work I decided to run a search on microsoft.com for "FreeBSD". It turned up references in two pages (both in pages relating to the antitrust trial, so it's doubtful whether this is a "real" opinion of M$ or just one cooked up to portray themselves as the underdog. For the Australians reading this, I guess this would be a "non-core" opinion). 215.Another important variant of UNIX is "FreeBSD." As its name implies, FreeBSD is indeed free of charge; it is a robust version of UNIX known best for its high quality networking software. The source code is also freely available under a license similar to that used by the Apache Web server, thus enabling the FreeBSD developers to take advantage of the same "open source" groundswell that Linux leverages. Like its more popular cousin Linux, FreeBSD enjoys a growing population of users and developers who contribute to the product. I don't think this carries much weight given the context, but it's nonetheless interesting. Kris ----- "Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes, because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes." -- Unknown To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 27 20: 8:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from leap.innerx.net (leap.innerx.net [38.179.176.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413601522B for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 27 May 1999 20:08:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.dyndns.org) Received: from holly.dyndns.org (ip215.houston3.tx.pub-ip.psi.net [38.12.169.215]) by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CBE937072; Thu, 27 May 1999 23:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00590; Thu, 27 May 1999 22:08:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chris) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:08:43 -0500 From: Chris Costello <chris@calldei.com> To: Will Andrews <andrews@TECHNOLOGIST.COM> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on c|Net Message-ID: <19990527220843.A568@holly.dyndns.org> Reply-To: chris@calldei.com References: <4.2.0.54.19990527105332.036ed880@mail.computeralt.com> <374D64BA.3062C5EF@softweyr.com> <3.0.6.32.19990527155447.008b1be0@MAIL.PSN.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.2i In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990527155447.008b1be0@MAIL.PSN.NET>; from Will Andrews on Thu, May 27, 1999 at 03:54:47PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 27, 1999, Will Andrews wrote: > I certainly ended up with FreeBSD - "You're the do-it-yourself kind of > person!".. not surprising, since I take the initiative to learn as much as Ha! That's been there for *AGES*, they've probably just now updated it for 3.x. The original document compared 2.2.5. -- Chris Costello <chris@calldei.com> Systems programmers are the high priests of a low cult. - R. S. Barton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu May 27 20:33:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from neptune.psn.net (unknown [207.211.58.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D3D14FC3 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Thu, 27 May 1999 20:33:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrews@technologist.com) Received: from 5042-243.008.popsite.net ([209.224.140.243] helo=shadow) by neptune.psn.net with smtp (PSN Internet Service 2.12 #3) for advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG id 10nDOf-0006HK-00; Thu, 27 May 1999 20:33:25 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990527232636.008b0b30@MAIL.PSN.NET> X-Sender: andrews@MAIL.PSN.NET X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 23:26:36 -0400 To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Will Andrews <andrews@TECHNOLOGIST.COM> Subject: Re: FreeBSD on c|Net In-Reply-To: <19990527220843.A568@holly.dyndns.org> References: <3.0.6.32.19990527155447.008b1be0@MAIL.PSN.NET> <4.2.0.54.19990527105332.036ed880@mail.computeralt.com> <374D64BA.3062C5EF@softweyr.com> <3.0.6.32.19990527155447.008b1be0@MAIL.PSN.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 10:08 PM 5/27/99 -0500, you wrote: >On Thu, May 27, 1999, Will Andrews wrote: >> I certainly ended up with FreeBSD - "You're the do-it-yourself kind of >> person!".. not surprising, since I take the initiative to learn as much as > > Ha! That's been there for *AGES*, they've probably just now >updated it for 3.x. The original document compared 2.2.5. No wonder they only mentioned 1,300 ports.. there are now well over 2,000! -- Will Andrews <wca@gatekeep.net> System Administrator, Gatekeeper Technologies Powered by FreeBSD - http://www.gatekeep.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 28 4:51:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from ren.detir.qld.gov.au (ns.detir.qld.gov.au [203.46.81.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1283814C81 for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Fri, 28 May 1999 04:51:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from syssgm@detir.qld.gov.au) Received: by ren.detir.qld.gov.au; id VAA20544; Fri, 28 May 1999 21:50:46 +1000 (EST) Received: from ogre.detir.qld.gov.au(167.123.8.3) by ren.detir.qld.gov.au via smap (4.1) id xma020534; Fri, 28 May 99 21:50:36 +1000 Received: from atlas.detir.qld.gov.au (atlas.detir.qld.gov.au [167.123.8.9]) by ogre.detir.qld.gov.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA06600; Fri, 28 May 1999 21:50:36 +1000 (EST) Received: from nymph.detir.qld.gov.au (nymph.detir.qld.gov.au [167.123.10.10]) by atlas.detir.qld.gov.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA25141; Fri, 28 May 1999 21:50:35 +1000 (EST) Received: from nymph.detir.qld.gov.au (localhost.detir.qld.gov.au [127.0.0.1]) by nymph.detir.qld.gov.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA05517; Fri, 28 May 1999 21:50:34 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from syssgm@nymph.detir.qld.gov.au) Message-Id: <199905281150.VAA05517@nymph.detir.qld.gov.au> To: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, syssgm@detir.qld.gov.au Subject: Re: FreeBSD on c|Net References: <374D64BA.3062C5EF@softweyr.com> In-Reply-To: <374D64BA.3062C5EF@softweyr.com> from Wes Peters at "Thu, 27 May 1999 09:28:58 -0600" Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 21:50:34 +1000 From: Stephen McKay <syssgm@detir.qld.gov.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, 27th May 1999, Wes Peters wrote: >So which operating system did their "pseudo-scientific personality quiz" >come up with for you? Mine was, surprisingly enough, FreeBSD. ;^) It's uncanny, isn't it! ;-) And my 3-star meals are more sort of 2-star anyway. If only I knew any of those American TV shows... And, running the quiz backwards, since I run FreeBSD, and choice 4 in each question indicates FreeBSDness, I need to check out old reruns of "This Old House", whatever that might be. What's it about? Stephen. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 28 6:25:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hostigos.otherwhen.com (mavery-gw.pernet.net [205.229.2.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B39614CAC for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Fri, 28 May 1999 06:25:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mavery@mail.otherwhen.com) Received: from mail.otherwhen.com (mail.2.229.205.in-addr.arpa [205.229.2.19] (may be forged)) by hostigos.otherwhen.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA07734 for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Fri, 28 May 1999 08:35:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199905281335.IAA07734@hostigos.otherwhen.com> Received: from PORKY/SpoolDir by mail.otherwhen.com (Mercury 1.44); 28 May 99 08:25:21 -0600 Received: from SpoolDir by PORKY (Mercury 1.44); 28 May 99 08:24:50 -0600 From: "Mike Avery" <mavery@mail.otherwhen.com> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:24:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FreeBSD on c|Net Reply-To: mavery@mail.otherwhen.com In-reply-to: <199905281150.VAA05517@nymph.detir.qld.gov.au> References: <374D64BA.3062C5EF@softweyr.com> from Wes Peters at "Thu, 27 May 1999 09:28:58 -0600" X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.10) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 28 May 99, at 21:50, Stephen McKay wrote: > If only I knew any of those American TV shows... And, running the quiz > backwards, since I run FreeBSD, and choice 4 in each question indicates > FreeBSDness, I need to check out old reruns of "This Old House", whatever > that might be. What's it about? It's about taking old homes, restoring them, and renovating them. In many parts of the United States, the only homes that are conveniently close to the center of town - and affordable - are older and run down. So many yuppies buy these older homes and restore and renovate them. Once they are done, the home should have the "charm" and "character" of the older home, just with fresh paint, nice floors and wallpaper, decent wiring, reliable plumbing, central heat and air, and modern appliances. It's usually, but not always, cheaper to renovate than to demolish and rebuild. And some people are very attached to older homes, so even if you wanted to demolish and rebuild, you might find local sentiment against you. Hope that helps, Mike ====================================================================== Mike Avery MAvery@mail.otherwhen.com (409)-842-2942 (work) ICQ: 16241692 * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day: It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 28 6:58:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0277A14BE9 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 28 May 1999 06:58:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tim@futuresouth.com) Received: (from tim@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03188; Fri, 28 May 1999 08:58:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:58:06 -0500 From: Tim Tsai <tim@futuresouth.com> To: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on c|Net Message-ID: <19990528085806.A3018@futuresouth.com> References: <374D64BA.3062C5EF@softweyr.com> <199905281150.VAA05517@nymph.detir.qld.gov.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <199905281150.VAA05517@nymph.detir.qld.gov.au>; from Stephen McKay on Fri, May 28, 1999 at 09:50:34PM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, 27th May 1999, Wes Peters wrote: >So which operating system did their "pseudo-scientific personality quiz" >come up with for you? Mine was, surprisingly enough, FreeBSD. ;^) Mine was Linux. :-( Just because I am generally lazy and prefer not to do everything myself doesn't mean that I'd sacrifice quality/stability over it!! Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 28 8: 5:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mailman.naxs.com (mailman.naxs.com [216.98.64.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D98151E6 for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Fri, 28 May 1999 08:05:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aiarbuckle@naxs.com) Received: from naxs.com ([216.98.64.210]) by mailman.naxs.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-42723U8000L3500S0) with ESMTP id AAA238; Fri, 28 May 1999 11:05:43 -0400 Message-ID: <374EB067.234375@naxs.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 11:04:07 -0400 From: "Andrew I. Arbuckle" <aiarbuckle@naxs.com> Organization: Donnkenny Apparel, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mavery@mail.otherwhen.com Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on c|Net References: <374D64BA.3062C5EF@softweyr.com> from Wes Peters at "Thu, 27 May 1999 09:28:58 -0600" <199905281335.IAA07734@hostigos.otherwhen.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You might also add that in many cities, the offer of a tax break to restore the older property is a very nice incentive. Mike Avery wrote: > > On 28 May 99, at 21:50, Stephen McKay wrote: > > > If only I knew any of those American TV shows... And, running the quiz > > backwards, since I run FreeBSD, and choice 4 in each question indicates > > FreeBSDness, I need to check out old reruns of "This Old House", whatever > > that might be. What's it about? > > It's about taking old homes, restoring them, and renovating them. > > In many parts of the United States, the only homes that are > conveniently close to the center of town - and affordable - are > older and run down. So many yuppies buy these older homes and > restore and renovate them. Once they are done, the home should > have the "charm" and "character" of the older home, just with fresh > paint, nice floors and wallpaper, decent wiring, reliable plumbing, > central heat and air, and modern appliances. It's usually, but not > always, cheaper to renovate than to demolish and rebuild. And some > people are very attached to older homes, so even if you wanted to > demolish and rebuild, you might find local sentiment against you. > > Hope that helps, > Mike > > ====================================================================== > Mike Avery MAvery@mail.otherwhen.com > (409)-842-2942 (work) > ICQ: 16241692 > > * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * > > A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day: > It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Andrew I. Arbuckle Work: (540) 228-6181 ext 251 Fax: (540) 228-6036 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 28 8: 8: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from voyager.fisicc-ufm.edu (ip-46-094.guate.net [200.12.46.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015EE151E6 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 28 May 1999 08:07:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obonilla@voyager.fisicc-ufm.edu) Received: (from obonilla@localhost) by voyager.fisicc-ufm.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00967 for freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:07:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from obonilla) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:07:52 -0600 From: Oscar Bonilla <obonilla@fisicc-ufm.edu> To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on c|Net Message-ID: <19990528090752.B344@fisicc-ufm.edu> References: <4.2.0.54.19990527105332.036ed880@mail.computeralt.com> <374D64BA.3062C5EF@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <374D64BA.3062C5EF@softweyr.com>; from Wes Peters on Thu, May 27, 1999 at 09:28:58AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 27, 1999 at 09:28:58AM -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > "Scott I. Remick" wrote: > > > > c|Net just did a review on alternatives to Windoze, and FreeBSD 3.2 was one > > of the OSes reviewed.... yay! > > > > <http://home.cnet.com/category/0-3709-7-284910.html> > > So which operating system did their "pseudo-scientific personality quiz" > come up with for you? Mine was, surprisingly enough, FreeBSD. ;^) > > Be honest. > BeOS!!! According to the article I'm a hard core multimedia guy, funny thing is that I have just recently heard about mp3... anyone any experience with BeOS? For what I've heard it's very resource hungry... regards, -Oscar -- For PGP Public Key: finger obonilla@fisicc-ufm.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 28 9:40:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.imation.com (mail2.imation.com [207.242.212.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 23E9414FD2 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 28 May 1999 09:40:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danarchy@endeneu.com) Received: from im003935 ([207.242.212.2]) by mail2.imation.com (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) with SMTP id 8625677F.005B85D2; Fri, 28 May 1999 11:39:40 -0500 From: "dan dockery" <danarchy@endeneu.com> To: "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 11:35:36 -0500 Reply-To: "dan dockery" <danarchy@endeneu.com> X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD on c|Net Message-Id: <19990528164034.23E9414FD2@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >On Thu, May 27, 1999 at 09:28:58AM -0600, Wes Peters wrote: >> "Scott I. Remick" wrote: >> > >> > c|Net just did a review on alternatives to Windoze, and FreeBSD 3.2 was one >> > of the OSes reviewed.... yay! >> > >> > <http://home.cnet.com/category/0-3709-7-284910.html> >> >> So which operating system did their "pseudo-scientific personality quiz" >> come up with for you? Mine was, surprisingly enough, FreeBSD. ;^) >> >> Be honest. BeOS?! Hmm... That's funny. Of course, the choices that came right to mind didn't fit with any of theirs. Besides, some of us just don't like Bob Villa or know how to cook. Ergh. I wouldn't mind owning a BeBox, though. I'm a big fan of blinking lights. -Dan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 28 10: 4:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hostigos.otherwhen.com (mavery-gw.pernet.net [205.229.2.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8C015A2A for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Fri, 28 May 1999 10:03:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mavery@mail.otherwhen.com) Received: from mail.otherwhen.com (mail.2.229.205.in-addr.arpa [205.229.2.19] (may be forged)) by hostigos.otherwhen.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07930 for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Fri, 28 May 1999 12:14:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199905281714.MAA07930@hostigos.otherwhen.com> Received: from PORKY/SpoolDir by mail.otherwhen.com (Mercury 1.44); 28 May 99 12:03:53 -0600 Received: from SpoolDir by PORKY (Mercury 1.44); 28 May 99 12:03:52 -0600 From: "Mike Avery" <mavery@mail.otherwhen.com> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 12:03:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FreeBSD on c|Net Reply-To: mavery@mail.otherwhen.com In-reply-to: <374EB067.234375@naxs.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.10) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 28 May 99, at 11:04, Andrew I. Arbuckle wrote: > You might also add that in many cities, the offer of a tax break to > restore the older property is a very nice incentive. True. And in many cities it's not easy to get a permit to demolish and re- build. All the more so if the house has a historical marker on it. Having lived in a restored house, I think I'd prefer a more modern house. Old pipes break at the oddest of times. And when you try to fix 'em, more pipes crack and give way. Kinda reminds me of an old bill of materials/factory information system I once was coerced into working on.... Mike Mike ====================================================================== Mike Avery MAvery@mail.otherwhen.com (409)-842-2942 (work) ICQ: 16241692 * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day: I do not fear computers. I fear the lack of them. -- Isaac Asimov To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 28 11:10:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B510015355 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 28 May 1999 11:10:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id LAA06106; Fri, 28 May 1999 11:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id LAA02127; Fri, 28 May 1999 11:10:05 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn2.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA05282; Fri, 28 May 99 11:10:00 PDT Message-Id: <374EDBFD.842D56F1@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 12:10:05 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: news@daemonnews.org Subject: Re: [khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za: FreeBSD-praising article in LA Weekly] References: <19990527212124.09711@panke.de.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wolfram Schneider wrote: > > ----- Forwarded message from Khetan Gajjar <khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za> ----- > Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:26:25 +0200 (SAST) > From: Khetan Gajjar <khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za> > Reply-To: Khetan Gajjar <khetan@os.org.za> > To: webmaster@freebsd.org > Subject: FreeBSD-praising article in LA Weekly > Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905272025290.21350-100000@chain.freebsd.os.org.za> > > Hi. > > I was forwarded this, amazingly, from a Linux discussion group. > > http://www.laweekly.com/ink/99/27/cyber-lewis.shtml > > I must admit, I love the picture. What a cool article. Anyone have Judith's email address so we can pound her with congratulations? I've forwarded this to Daemon News, just in case they missed it. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 28 11:14:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB7C14DB5 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 28 May 1999 11:14:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id LAA06150; Fri, 28 May 1999 11:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id LAA02248; Fri, 28 May 1999 11:14:19 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn2.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA05507; Fri, 28 May 99 11:14:17 PDT Message-Id: <374EDCFE.FF27643D@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 12:14:22 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD-praising article in LA Weekly References: <19990527212124.09711@panke.de.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wolfram Schneider wrote: > > ----- Forwarded message from Khetan Gajjar <khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za> ----- > Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:26:25 +0200 (SAST) > From: Khetan Gajjar <khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za> > Reply-To: Khetan Gajjar <khetan@os.org.za> > To: webmaster@freebsd.org > Subject: FreeBSD-praising article in LA Weekly > Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905272025290.21350-100000@chain.freebsd.os.org.za> > > Hi. > > I was forwarded this, amazingly, from a Linux discussion group. > > http://www.laweekly.com/ink/99/27/cyber-lewis.shtml > > I must admit, I love the picture. According to people.yahoo.com, her email is mailto:judithlewis@laweekly.com Let her know what you think of her article. ;^) Thanks for the scoop, Khetan and Wosch. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 28 12:42:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from localhost.my.domain (pm2-65.cityscope.net [209.16.48.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F8214C3A for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Fri, 28 May 1999 12:42:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bahwi@technologist.com) Received: from localhost (bahwi@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01381 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Fri, 28 May 1999 14:40:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bahwi@technologist.com) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 14:40:42 -0500 (CDT) From: bahwi <bahwi@technologist.com> X-Sender: bahwi@localhost To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: How to get members for user's groups? Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9905281439100.1370-100000@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I would like to ask what is the best way to get members for local user's groups? We only have a few members here, and we would like to get more so we can move past the starting phase of the group. Any help is appreciated. There are two Linux groups here, and I beleive there is a Unix group which focuses only on Linux. Thanks. Please reply privately as I am not a member of this list. -- bahwi@technologist.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 28 14:14: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164E314EDB for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Fri, 28 May 1999 14:14:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker ([210.55.152.128]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990528211636.QKVJ7869945.mta1-rme@wocker>; Sat, 29 May 1999 09:16:36 +1200 From: "Dan Langille" <junkmale@xtra.co.nz> Organization: The FreeBSD Diary To: bahwi <bahwi@technologist.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 09:14:04 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: How to get members for user's groups? Reply-To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9905281439100.1370-100000@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990528211636.QKVJ7869945.mta1-rme@wocker> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 28 May 99, at 14:40, bahwi wrote: > Hello, > I would like to ask what is the best way to get members for local > user's groups? We only have a few members here, and we would like to get > more so we can move past the starting phase of the group. Any help is > appreciated. There are two Linux groups here, and I beleive there is a > Unix group which focuses only on Linux. Thanks. Please reply privately as > I am not a member of this list. What I've done: I've been putting messages in regional newsgroups (i.e. nz.reg.wellington.general). The local newspaper puts out an InfoTech Weekly section which contains both a printed and an eletronic Diary (http://www.infotech.co.nz/current/diary.html). IDG publish ComputerWorld and they also printed something, or so I'm told as I have actually not seen it. -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/freebsd/ NZ FreeBSD User Group - http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/ The Racing System - http://www.racingsystem.com/racingsystem.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 28 15:12:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1583514E7C for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 28 May 1999 15:12:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA21193; Sat, 29 May 1999 07:42:37 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id HAA17774; Sat, 29 May 1999 07:42:36 +0930 (CST) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 07:42:35 +0930 From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> To: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD-praising article in LA Weekly Message-ID: <19990529074235.Q5509@freebie.lemis.com> References: <19990527212124.09711@panke.de.freebsd.org> <374EDCFE.FF27643D@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <374EDCFE.FF27643D@softweyr.com>; from Wes Peters on Fri, May 28, 1999 at 12:14:22PM -0600 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Friday, 28 May 1999 at 12:14:22 -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > Wolfram Schneider wrote: >> >> ----- Forwarded message from Khetan Gajjar <khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za> ----- >> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:26:25 +0200 (SAST) >> From: Khetan Gajjar <khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za> >> Reply-To: Khetan Gajjar <khetan@os.org.za> >> To: webmaster@freebsd.org >> Subject: FreeBSD-praising article in LA Weekly >> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905272025290.21350-100000@chain.freebsd.os.org.za> >> >> Hi. >> >> I was forwarded this, amazingly, from a Linux discussion group. >> >> http://www.laweekly.com/ink/99/27/cyber-lewis.shtml >> >> I must admit, I love the picture. > > According to people.yahoo.com, her email is > > mailto:judithlewis@laweekly.com > > Let her know what you think of her article. ;^) Has somebody told her that FreeBSD can run Linux binaries? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 28 18:36:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7F414CE3 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 28 May 1999 18:36:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id SAA09999; Fri, 28 May 1999 18:35:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id SAA22870; Fri, 28 May 1999 18:35:30 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.39]) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA26019; Fri, 28 May 99 18:35:28 PDT Message-Id: <374F445E.779661F6@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:35:26 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD-praising article in LA Weekly References: <19990527212124.09711@panke.de.freebsd.org> <374EDCFE.FF27643D@softweyr.com> <19990529074235.Q5509@freebie.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > > On Friday, 28 May 1999 at 12:14:22 -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > > Wolfram Schneider wrote: > >> > >> ----- Forwarded message from Khetan Gajjar <khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za> ----- > >> Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:26:25 +0200 (SAST) > >> From: Khetan Gajjar <khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za> > >> Reply-To: Khetan Gajjar <khetan@os.org.za> > >> To: webmaster@freebsd.org > >> Subject: FreeBSD-praising article in LA Weekly > >> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905272025290.21350-100000@chain.freebsd.os.org.za> > >> > >> Hi. > >> > >> I was forwarded this, amazingly, from a Linux discussion group. > >> > >> http://www.laweekly.com/ink/99/27/cyber-lewis.shtml > >> > >> I must admit, I love the picture. > > > > According to people.yahoo.com, her email is > > > > mailto:judithlewis@laweekly.com > > > > Let her know what you think of her article. ;^) > > Has somebody told her that FreeBSD can run Linux binaries? I did, this afternoon, and pointed her at /usr/ports/editors/ {staroffice,wordperfect}, and at Applix as well. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri May 28 20: 8:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from m4.stox.sa.enteract.com (stox.sa.enteract.com [207.229.132.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492D914F8F for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 28 May 1999 20:07:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@stox.sa.enteract.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.stox.sa.enteract.com [127.0.0.1]) by m4.stox.sa.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA01960; Fri, 28 May 1999 22:07:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 22:07:44 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kenneth P. Stox" <ken@stox.sa.enteract.com> Reply-To: stox@enteract.com To: Chris Costello <chris@calldei.com> Cc: Will Andrews <andrews@TECHNOLOGIST.COM>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on c|Net In-Reply-To: <19990527220843.A568@holly.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905282203190.1819-100000@m4.stox.sa.enteract.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 27 May 1999, Chris Costello wrote: > On Thu, May 27, 1999, Will Andrews wrote: > > I certainly ended up with FreeBSD - "You're the do-it-yourself kind of > > person!".. not surprising, since I take the initiative to learn as much as > > Ha! That's been there for *AGES*, they've probably just now > updated it for 3.x. The original document compared 2.2.5. Never write what you can recycle... If programmers wrote code like the press writes articles, there would be 2^256 versions of Fortran and someone would think about implementing MULTICS in the year 2046. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 29 10:21:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from kogge.Hanse.DE (kogge.hanse.de [192.76.134.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DCC115047 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Sat, 29 May 1999 10:21:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stefan.bethke@hanse.de) Received: from transit.hanse.de (transit-a.Hanse.DE [193.174.9.161]) by kogge.Hanse.DE (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA22929; Sat, 29 May 1999 02:52:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from stefan.bethke@hanse.de) Received: from monster.transit-a.hanse.de (monster [193.174.9.163]) by transit.hanse.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA01210; Sat, 29 May 1999 02:52:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from stefan.bethke@hanse.de) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 02:52:32 +0200 From: Stefan Bethke <stefan.bethke@hanse.de> To: advocacy@freebsd.org Cc: de-bsd-chat@de.freebsd.org Subject: German Advocacy on BSD Message-ID: <1447692.3136935152@monster.transit-a.hanse.de> Originator-Info: login-id=stb; server=transit.transit-a.hanse.de X-Mailer: Mulberry (MacOS) [1.4.0, s/n U-301178] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've just written up a text for my not-for-profit ISP at http://www.hanse.de/freibsd.html If you can grok German, please let me know what you think. I'm still missing a few examples of "big" NetBSD and OpenBSD installations, so if anyone from those project is listening I'd welcome comments on that. Thanks, Stefan -- Stefan Bethke Muehlendamm 12 Phone: +49-40-256848, +49-177-3504009 D-22087 Hamburg <stefan.bethke@hanse.de> Hamburg, Germany <stb@freebsd.org> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 29 15: 1:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [192.109.159.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28DCB14D7D for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Sat, 29 May 1999 15:01:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: from klemm.gtn.com (pppak04.gtn.com [194.231.123.169]) by picalon.gun.de (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA24049; Sun, 30 May 1999 00:00:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18356; Sat, 29 May 1999 23:19:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 23:19:41 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm <andreas@klemm.gtn.com> To: Stefan Bethke <stefan.bethke@hanse.de> Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, de-bsd-chat@DE.FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: German Advocacy on BSD Message-ID: <19990529231941.A18101@titan.klemm.gtn.com> References: <1447692.3136935152@monster.transit-a.hanse.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <1447692.3136935152@monster.transit-a.hanse.de>; from Stefan Bethke on Sat, May 29, 1999 at 02:52:32AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE SMP X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, May 29, 1999 at 02:52:32AM +0200, Stefan Bethke wrote: > I've just written up a text for my not-for-profit ISP at > http://www.hanse.de/freibsd.html > > If you can grok German, please let me know what you think. > > I'm still missing a few examples of "big" NetBSD and OpenBSD installations, > so if anyone from those project is listening I'd welcome comments on that. It would be great, if you could try to contact Juergen Kuri from C't magazine if they would be interested in publishing your nice article about the 'history' of the different BSD's. Additionally it would be fine, if you could add perhaps some features of the latest Release 3.2. Maybe you could make this more a FreeBSD 3.2 article, am not sure, if they are interested in a history article. Bland would be, to make two articles 1 BSD history and one about FreeBSD 3.2's features. -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html powered by Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat May 29 15:21:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696FE14E89 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 29 May 1999 15:21:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA33163; Sat, 29 May 1999 15:22:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Andreas Klemm <andreas@klemm.gtn.com> Cc: Stefan Bethke <stefan.bethke@hanse.de>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, de-bsd-chat@DE.FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: German Advocacy on BSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 29 May 1999 23:19:41 +0200." <19990529231941.A18101@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 15:22:05 -0700 Message-ID: <33159.928016525@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It would be great, if you could try to contact Juergen Kuri from > C't magazine if they would be interested in publishing your nice > article about the 'history' of the different BSD's. > > Additionally it would be fine, if you could add perhaps some > features of the latest Release 3.2. Maybe you could make this more > a FreeBSD 3.2 article, am not sure, if they are interested in a > history article. I also found the article to be interesting but thought it missed one of the key points in comparing *BSDs: The sizes of our respective user bases. This may seem a pure marketing point, but it's really not and it's one of the reasons we still occasionally recommend Linux to people who really need a fair amount of hand-holding and "peer support". If you can find other people to talk to and exchange tips somewhere reasonably local to you, it can make all the difference for some folks and hence why the size and composition of the user base is a very important factor in selecting an OS. It's not the *most* important, by any means, but it's still somewhere in the top ten. :-) The size of a user base, along with a rough count of all the USENET/WEB/EMAIL articles it generates, is also a reasonable indicator of how approachable an OS is and "approachability" is another important factor in our favor, something which Stefan's article sort of touches on but doesn't really illustrate in depth. Yet another thing Stefan doesn't touch upon but should be noted somewhere is FreeBSD's reputation for stability under high load. I'm not saying that the other *BSDs are incapable of similar feats, but until they've powered a Yahoo, a Hotmail or an ftp.freebsd.org, it's an academic rather than proven fact. :-) Tuning an OS for maximum performance takes more than just a will to do so (and I think we've done pretty well there too), it takes test beds which actually subject it to serious stress so that you can measure the results and know empirically, rather than subjectively, where it needs improvement. FreeBSD has had quite a few of these "trials by fire" and I think it only fair to note that somewhere since that's very definitely what businessfolk want to hear - not whether it's capable of doing XYZ but whether it's actually DONE XYZ somewhere. All that said, good article! Good practice at reading German! :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 30 2:27:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from neutron.cichlids.com (as4-052.rp-plus.de [149.221.238.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D3F14E68 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Sun, 30 May 1999 02:27:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA56689; Sun, 30 May 1999 11:23:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: (from alex@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00643; Sun, 30 May 1999 11:13:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) From: Alexander Langer <alex@cichlids.com> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 11:13:59 +0200 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Cc: Andreas Klemm <andreas@klemm.gtn.com>, Stefan Bethke <stefan.bethke@hanse.de>, advocacy@freebsd.org, de-bsd-chat@DE.FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: German Advocacy on BSD Message-ID: <19990530111359.A627@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <19990529231941.A18101@titan.klemm.gtn.com> <33159.928016525@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <33159.928016525@zippy.cdrom.com> X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thus spake Jordan K. Hubbard (jkh@zippy.cdrom.com): > USENET/WEB/EMAIL articles it generates, is also a reasonable indicator > of how approachable an OS is and "approachability" is another > important factor in our favor, something which Stefan's article sort > of touches on but doesn't really illustrate in depth. But most of the questions and problems that appear in Usenet/Web/Email/IRC are very general and the answer is almost the same for other OS' (BSD), too. (I think of "How do I configure the network if-card?"). So far the user support which claims to be Linux support is also partly BSD support. > not saying that the other *BSDs are incapable of similar feats, but > until they've powered a Yahoo, a Hotmail or an ftp.freebsd.org, it's > an academic rather than proven fact. :-) If you can believe Microsoft-payd studies, then it's proven that Linux does NOT (see heise newsticker, some weeks ago, for the link). Alex -- ************** I doubt, therefore I might be. ************** *** Send email to <pgp-keys@cichlids.com> to get PGP-Key *** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 30 2:41:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [192.109.159.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F8914CAA for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sun, 30 May 1999 02:41:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: from klemm.gtn.com (pppak04.gtn.com [194.231.123.169]) by picalon.gun.de (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA17525; Sun, 30 May 1999 11:41:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA74253; Sun, 30 May 1999 11:37:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 11:37:54 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm <andreas@klemm.gtn.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Cc: Andreas Klemm <andreas@klemm.gtn.com>, Stefan Bethke <stefan.bethke@hanse.de>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, de-bsd-chat@DE.FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: German Advocacy on BSD Message-ID: <19990530113753.A50422@titan.klemm.gtn.com> References: <19990529231941.A18101@titan.klemm.gtn.com> <33159.928016525@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <33159.928016525@zippy.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Sat, May 29, 1999 at 03:22:05PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE SMP X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, May 29, 1999 at 03:22:05PM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > I also found the article to be interesting but thought it missed one > of the key points in comparing *BSDs: The sizes of our respective user > bases. [...] So perhaps we should made a successstory story concerning the new Xeon hardware, Gigabit Ethernet, new traffic record. Then perhaps some download statistics from ftp.freebsd.org or some number about FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD's useage in internet: http://www.leb.net/hzo/ioscount/index.html BTW, this website also has some nice references to other counters, tools (nmap, queso) and articles. Then perhaps something about history, but maybe not too much ;-) Better telling something about our high end solutions ;-) -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html powered by Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 30 13:51:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from munich.netsurf.de (laurin.munich.netsurf.de [194.64.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F1B14FCA for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Sun, 30 May 1999 13:51:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Klaus.Herrmann@gmx.net) Received: from salvation (ns1230.munich.netsurf.de [195.180.235.230]) by munich.netsurf.de (8.8.5/8.7) with SMTP id WAA14135; Sun, 30 May 1999 22:51:28 +0200 (MET DST) From: Klaus Herrmann <Klaus.Herrmann@gmx.net> To: Andreas Klemm <andreas@klemm.gtn.com>, Stefan Bethke <stefan.bethke@hanse.de> Subject: Re: German Advocacy on BSD Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 22:27:25 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.17] Content-Type: text/plain References: <19990529231941.A18101@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, de-bsd-chat@de.freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99053022351502.00414@salvation> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Andreas Klemm wrote on Sat, 29 May 1999: > On Sat, May 29, 1999 at 02:52:32AM +0200, Stefan Bethke wrote: > > I've just written up a text for my not-for-profit ISP at > > http://www.hanse.de/freibsd.html > >=20 > > If you can grok German, please let me know what you think. > >=20 > > I'm still missing a few examples of "big" NetBSD and OpenBSD installa= tions, > > so if anyone from those project is listening I'd welcome comments on = that. >=20 > It would be great, if you could try to contact Juergen Kuri from=20 > C't magazine if they would be interested in publishing your nice > article about the 'history' of the different BSD's. Yes, that would be great!=20 > Additionally it would be fine, if you could add perhaps some > features of the latest Release 3.2. Maybe you could make this more > a FreeBSD 3.2 article, am not sure, if they are interested in a > history article. I'm not so sure about this. The article seems to be intended to be a arti= cle about BSD and its history, but not especially about FreeBSD.=20 > Bland would be, to make two articles 1 BSD history and one about > FreeBSD 3.2's features. would be the best solution. but i doubt if c't will print *TWO* articles.= =2E. But anyway, the article is great!=20 Ciao, =09Klaus -- Anything is good and useful if it's made of chocolate. ----------------------- ----> Klaus Herrmann ----> klaus.herrmann@gmx.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> POWERD BY FreeBSD ----------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 30 14: 8:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9DE153AF for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Sun, 30 May 1999 14:08:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.2/8.9.2) id VAA32915 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Sun, 30 May 1999 21:06:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 21:06:10 +0100 From: Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk> To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Certification Message-ID: <19990530210609.A30910@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG How do, This came through to the www mail address. I'm only enclosing the appropriate para, contact me if you want to answer this person's question; <being excerpt> Does FreeBSD offer a certification process? We would be happy to send over a free copy for someone to verify the software's complete compatibility with FreeBSD. We would like to be able to use a FreeBSD compatible graphic of some sort (on our website and product info) - do you by any chance have one of these? <end excerpt> N -- The trial continues tomorrow. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 30 14:14:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A50C1516A for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sun, 30 May 1999 14:14:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12731; Sun, 30 May 1999 17:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 17:13:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman <chrisc@vmunix.com> To: Klaus Herrmann <Klaus.Herrmann@gmx.net> Cc: Andreas Klemm <andreas@klemm.gtn.com>, Stefan Bethke <stefan.bethke@hanse.de>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, de-bsd-chat@de.freebsd.org Subject: Re: German Advocacy on BSD In-Reply-To: <99053022351502.00414@salvation> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905301707330.12666-100000@vnode.vmunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > a FreeBSD 3.2 article, am not sure, if they are interested in a > > history article. The Daemon News is always interested in BSD History articles :-) We would need a translation into english, but the original could be put on the German mirror site. -Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 30 14:36:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F366E14D79 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sun, 30 May 1999 14:36:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12841; Sun, 30 May 1999 17:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 17:36:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman <chrisc@vmunix.com> To: Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Certification In-Reply-To: <19990530210609.A30910@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905301730300.12666-100000@vnode.vmunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My wife would like to take a stab at drawing a "FreeBSD compatible software" icon. Everyone has mentioned that they like the "classic" daemon best; are there any other suggestions or stipulations? How big should the finished graphic be? What format is preferred? -Chris On Sun, 30 May 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: > How do, > > This came through to the www mail address. I'm only enclosing the > appropriate para, contact me if you want to answer this person's > question; > > <being excerpt> > Does FreeBSD offer a certification process? We would be happy to send over > a free copy for someone to verify the software's complete compatibility with > FreeBSD. We would like to be able to use a FreeBSD compatible graphic of > some sort (on our website and product info) - do you by any chance have one > of these? > <end excerpt> > > N > -- > The trial continues tomorrow. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 30 15:30:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C0F150C3 for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Sun, 30 May 1999 15:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id PAA93406; Sun, 30 May 1999 15:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id B817E14E7B; Sun, 30 May 1999 13:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <19990530201654.B817E14E7B@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 13:16:54 -0700 (PDT) From: aron@cs.rice.edu To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: advocacy/11947: kldload doesn't produce a linked file for the module Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Number: 11947 >Category: advocacy >Synopsis: kldload doesn't produce a linked file for the module >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-advocacy >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun May 30 15:30:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Mohit Aron >Release: FreeBSD-3.2-Release >Organization: Rice University >Environment: FreeBSD luzern.cs.rice.edu 3.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE #2: Fri May 28 15:22:48 CDT 1999 aron@luzern.cs.rice.edu:/usr/src/sys/compile/LUZERN i386 >Description: The modload command in the earlier lkm interface used to produce a linker file as a result of the '-o' option. This file used to give the actual addresses of variables in the module after loading it. This information was very useful as then the values of variables in the module can be read by reading /dev/kmem. Unfortunately, kldload doesn't produce any such file. Can a similar option be added to kldload so that it too starts producing this linker file. Addresses of variables in the module can be obtained by adding the address where the module is loaded (reported by kldstat) to the address of the variable in the module (before relocation). However, this is a cumbersome way and it'll much more convenient to have a linker file that gives all this information. >How-To-Repeat: Load a kld module with kldload and notice that no linker file is produced. Load an lkm module with modload and a linker file is put in /tmp (unless a '-o' option is given). >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun May 30 15:32: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55FF51525B; Sun, 30 May 1999 15:32:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from steve@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id PAA93554; Sun, 30 May 1999 15:32:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 15:32:03 -0700 (PDT) From: <steve@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <199905302232.PAA93554@freefall.freebsd.org> To: steve@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: advocacy/11947: kldload doesn't produce a linked file for the module Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Synopsis: kldload doesn't produce a linked file for the module Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-advocacy->freebsd-bugs Responsible-Changed-By: steve Responsible-Changed-When: Sun May 30 15:31:28 PDT 1999 Responsible-Changed-Why: MIsfiled PR. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 31 0:14:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DF314F0E for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Mon, 31 May 1999 00:14:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker ([210.55.152.75]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990531071634.XVXT7623210.mta2-rme@wocker>; Mon, 31 May 1999 19:16:34 +1200 From: "Dan Langille" <junkmale@xtra.co.nz> Organization: The FreeBSD Diary To: Chris Coleman <chrisc@vmunix.com> Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 19:14:07 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FreeBSD Certification Reply-To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990530210609.A30910@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> In-reply-to: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905301730300.12666-100000@vnode.vmunix.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990531071634.XVXT7623210.mta2-rme@wocker> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 30 May 99, at 17:36, Chris Coleman wrote: > My wife would like to take a stab at drawing a "FreeBSD compatible > software" icon. Everyone has mentioned that they like the "classic" > daemon best; are there any other suggestions or stipulations? I agree. The Daemon rules. [gawd! did I type that?!] > How big should the finished graphic be? Wouldn't the same image in different formats be a good idea? That way, the same image could be used, the only difference would be the size. > What format is preferred? I'm guessing gif. -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/freebsd/ NZ FreeBSD User Group - http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/ The Racing System - http://www.racingsystem.com/racingsystem.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 1 2: 4:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from relay05.netaddress.usa.net (relay05.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2448315664 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:04:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 11359 invoked from network); 1 Jun 1999 09:04:32 -0000 Received: from nw179.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.79) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 1 Jun 1999 09:04:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 1549 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Jun 1999 09:04:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19990601090432.1548.qmail@nw179.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.79 by nw179 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.135) on Tue Jun 1 09:04:32 GMT 1999 Date: 1 Jun 99 02:04:32 PDT From: Jesus Monroy <jesus.monroy@usa.net> To: docs@freebsd.org Subject: Prelude to: How to setup a printer in FreeBSD Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.135) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Prelude to: How to setup a printer in FreeBSD Pre-sorted Search at http://www.freebsd.org. = http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Hub/8031/how-to/how2lp-presort.htm= l --- IN that context, it is the BSD that should be considered, not the prefix. http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/cgi-bin/newsread?34858 ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 1 10:50: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65C01526F for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA73795; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id C1A3B14C0E; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <19990601174108.C1A3B14C0E@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:41:08 -0700 (PDT) From: rse@engelschall.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: advocacy/11982: Three cleanup fixes for uthreads Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Number: 11982 >Category: advocacy >Synopsis: Three cleanup fixes for uthreads >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-advocacy >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Jun 1 10:50:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Ralf S. Engelschall >Release: 3.1 >Organization: Cable & Wireless ECRC >Environment: FreeBSD en1.engelschall.com 3.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE #4: Sun Feb 28 18:55:02 CET 1999 rse@en1.engelschall.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/EN1 i386 >Description: Below is a patch for some pthread/uthread files which I've done while I've poked around in the FreeBSD uthread library and reading the POSIX and SUSv2 specifications. 1. "struct pthread *" -> pthread_t for consistency with other prototypes 2. pthread_rwlockattr_setpshared gets a "int" as the last argument and not a "int *". You can proof this by two things: First when you compare all get/set functions it's obvious that at least for consistency reasons it has to be an "int". Second the SUSv2 under http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xsh/pthread_rwlockattr_getpshared.html explicitly shows the prototype this way, too. 3. removed prototype for "pthread_attr_setcleanup", because first this isn't implemented by FreeBSD's uthread and second, a search for this function under http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/toc.htm also doesn't indicate that this function is an official one. diff -ru3 uthread.orig/pthread.h uthread/pthread.h --- uthread.orig/pthread.h Sun May 9 09:44:53 1999 +++ uthread/pthread.h Sat May 29 13:04:19 1999 @@ -235,7 +235,7 @@ int pthread_key_create __P((pthread_key_t *, void (*routine) (void *))); int pthread_key_delete __P((pthread_key_t)); -int pthread_kill __P((struct pthread *, int)); +int pthread_kill __P((pthread_t, int)); int pthread_mutexattr_init __P((pthread_mutexattr_t *)); int pthread_mutexattr_destroy __P((pthread_mutexattr_t *)); int pthread_mutexattr_settype __P((pthread_mutexattr_t *, int)); @@ -259,7 +259,7 @@ int pthread_rwlockattr_getpshared __P((const pthread_rwlockattr_t *, int *)); int pthread_rwlockattr_setpshared __P((pthread_rwlockattr_t *, - int *)); + int)); int pthread_rwlockattr_destroy __P((pthread_rwlockattr_t *)); pthread_t pthread_self __P((void)); int pthread_setcancelstate __P((int, int *)); @@ -315,8 +315,6 @@ int pthread_attr_setfloatstate __P((pthread_attr_t *, int)); int pthread_attr_getfloatstate __P((pthread_attr_t *, int *)); -int pthread_attr_setcleanup __P((pthread_attr_t *, - void (*routine) (void *), void *)); __END_DECLS #endif diff -ru3 uthread.orig/uthread_rwlockattr.c uthread/uthread_rwlockattr.c --- uthread.orig/uthread_rwlockattr.c Mon Sep 7 21:23:55 1998 +++ uthread/uthread_rwlockattr.c Sat May 29 13:05:05 1999 @@ -82,15 +82,13 @@ int pthread_rwlockattr_setpshared (pthread_rwlockattr_t *rwlockattr, - int *pshared) + int pshared) { - int ps = *pshared; - /* only PTHREAD_PROCESS_PRIVATE is supported */ - if (ps != PTHREAD_PROCESS_PRIVATE) + if (pshared != PTHREAD_PROCESS_PRIVATE) return(EINVAL); - (*rwlockattr)->pshared = ps; + (*rwlockattr)->pshared = pshared; return(0); } >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 1 10:53:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA66715115; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:53:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from billf@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA74076; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:53:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:53:29 -0700 (PDT) From: <billf@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <199906011753.KAA74076@freefall.freebsd.org> To: billf@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: advocacy/11982: Three cleanup fixes for uthreads Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Synopsis: Three cleanup fixes for uthreads Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-advocacy->freebsd-bugs Responsible-Changed-By: billf Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Jun 1 10:52:50 PDT 1999 Responsible-Changed-Why: This is a kernel bug, not an advocacy bug. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 1 17: 8:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF0615517 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:08:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA03864; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:08:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd003747; Tue Jun 1 17:08:21 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA04552; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:08:13 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> Message-Id: <199906020008.RAA04552@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Certification To: chrisc@vmunix.com (Chris Coleman) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:08:13 +0000 (GMT) Cc: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905301730300.12666-100000@vnode.vmunix.com> from "Chris Coleman" at May 30, 99 05:36:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > My wife would like to take a stab at drawing a "FreeBSD compatible > software" icon. Everyone has mentioned that they like the "classic" > daemon best; are there any other suggestions or stipulations? NOT the daemon, in bed, with rumpled sheets, and one arm behind his head, smoking a cigarette... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 1 17:14:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D6114CC7; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:14:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA22361; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:14:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd022258; Tue Jun 1 17:14:22 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA04848; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:14:21 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> Message-Id: <199906020014.RAA04848@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: advocacy/11947: kldload doesn't produce a linked file for the module To: steve@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 00:14:20 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199905302232.PAA93554@freefall.freebsd.org> from "steve@FreeBSD.ORG" at May 30, 99 03:32:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Synopsis: kldload doesn't produce a linked file for the module > > Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-advocacy->freebsd-bugs > Responsible-Changed-By: steve > Responsible-Changed-When: Sun May 30 15:31:28 PDT 1999 > Responsible-Changed-Why: > MIsfiled PR. He knows that. Read the whole thing. He needs symbol offsets for other reasons not having to do with linking. The answer is that there is a symbol table for modules that is maintained in the kernel, which should be used instead. For data symbols, the offsets relative to the module load address are not valid, BTW, using his workaround technique, because of ELF code vs. data segment non-offset in the file for page alignment. ELF images have the overlapping code/text page mapped twice, to reduce the stored image size at the expense of an average of 2k per image at load (the same average for an aligned image). So he must be using the symbol addresses for the text segment only, or mistakenly accessing the residual data mapped in the code page (mistakenly because it would not reflect modifications). The whole point of a two pass in the old LKM code (which I wrote, and for which Jeffrey Hsu provided the original PIC modifications to the x86 GNU compiler and linker) was to know where the relative data offsets would be for uninitialized BSS data. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 1 18:29:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from relay02.netaddress.usa.net (relay02.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 37D1514DBD for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:29:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 14455 invoked from network); 2 Jun 1999 01:29:32 -0000 Received: from nw175.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.75) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 2 Jun 1999 01:29:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 5027 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 1999 01:29:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19990602012932.5026.qmail@nw175.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.75 by nw175 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.135) on Wed Jun 2 01:29:32 GMT 1999 Date: 1 Jun 99 18:29:32 PDT From: Jesus Monroy <jesus.monroy@usa.net> To: bahwi <bahwi@technologist.com> Subject: Re: [Re: [How to get members for user's groups?]] Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, chat@bafug.org X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.135) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Please note I've taken the liberty to CC to advocacy and chat@bafug.org. Okay, starting over, you'd like to get a User group started in houston. = First, of course, you'd like to get a place to meet. Perhaps a pizza or burger place that is popular. You could start by posting (annoying) people = that you are starting a user-group in houston and will be at xyz place, others can join you for chat and support. Next, you should get a web site. Not an official one, else you end up doing all the work. Do a geocities website, then graduate when you have a group. = Other people can tell you about who (MFG,schools,etc.) is in your area and can help. I added BAFUG to the = mailer, because it is held in San Francisco and Berkeley, both close to cdrom.com, home of many members of the FeeBSD core-team. ------------------------------------------------------ bahwi <bahwi@technologist.com> wrote: > Houston area > = > > A good way to start is: > > which area do you live in? --- IN that context, it is the BSD that should be considered, not the prefix. http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/cgi-bin/newsread?34858 ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 1 18:33:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BD214DBD for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 18:33:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (207-172-144-15.s15.as4.hgt.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.144.15]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA27131; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 21:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <XFMail.990601213405.jobaldwi@vt.edu> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905301730300.12666-100000@vnode.vmunix.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 21:34:05 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin <jobaldwi@vt.edu> To: Chris Coleman <chrisc@vmunix.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Certification Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I posted a now dysfunctional link to a very rough sketck a while back of the D. Mon giving a thumbs up and a big wink with "Works With FreeBSD" or "Designed for FreeBSD" written around the top and bottom in a circular fashion. Just a suggestion. :) On 30-May-99 Chris Coleman wrote: > My wife would like to take a stab at drawing a "FreeBSD compatible > software" icon. Everyone has mentioned that they like the "classic" > daemon best; are there any other suggestions or stipulations? > > How big should the finished graphic be? > What format is preferred? > > > -Chris > > On Sun, 30 May 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: > >> How do, >> >> This came through to the www mail address. I'm only enclosing the >> appropriate para, contact me if you want to answer this person's >> question; >> >> <being excerpt> >> Does FreeBSD offer a certification process? We would be happy to send over >> a free copy for someone to verify the software's complete compatibility with >> FreeBSD. We would like to be able to use a FreeBSD compatible graphic of >> some sort (on our website and product info) - do you by any chance have one >> of these? >> <end excerpt> >> >> N >> -- >> The trial continues tomorrow. >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message >> > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message --- John Baldwin <jobaldwi@vt.edu> -- http://members.freedomnet.com/~jbaldwin/ PGP Key: http://members.freedomnet.com/~jbaldwin/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 1 19: 1:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from localhost.my.domain (pm2-64.cityscope.net [209.16.48.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C22C15169 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:01:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bahwi@technologist.com) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01244; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:59:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bahwi@technologist.com) X-BlackMail: bahwi@localhost, localhost, <bahwi@technologist.com>, 127.0.0.1 X-Authenticated-Timestamp: 20:59:27(CDT) on June 01, 1999 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:59:24 -0500 (CDT) From: bahwi <bahwi@technologist.com> X-Sender: bahwi@localhost To: Jesus Monroy <jesus.monroy@usa.net> Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, chat@bafug.org Subject: Re: [Re: [How to get members for user's groups?]] In-Reply-To: <19990602012932.5026.qmail@nw175.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9906012056020.1231-100000@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Please note I've taken the liberty to CC to > advocacy and chat@bafug.org. > > Okay, starting over, you'd like to get a User group > started in houston. No, we have one started, we just want more people to come to the meetings. We averaging about 4 each time. We are also against 2 linux groups, and a unix group which focuses on linux. > First, of course, you'd like to get a place to meet. > Perhaps a pizza or burger place that is popular. > You could start by posting (annoying) people > that you are starting a user-group in houston and > will be at xyz place, others can join you for > chat and support. We've posted about it. We've met so far at a library and at golden corral. We are now hoping to get some people at the local univeristies to mention our meeting. Our biggest problem is attracting more people, people consider coming, but normally only a few come. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 2 1:22:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from cs1.cityscope.net (cs1.cityscope.net [206.222.183.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67F6D14E46 for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 01:22:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ingrid@cityscope.net) Received: from cityscope.net (194.cityscope.net [209.16.49.194]) by cs1.cityscope.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id DAA13914 for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 03:22:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3754E989.CD953F89@cityscope.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 03:21:29 -0500 From: Ingrid Kast Fuller <ingrid@cityscope.net> Reply-To: ingrid@cityscope.net Organization: CityScope Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Radio Talk Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm looking for any suggestions or comments you might have on promoting FreeBSD on a radio talk show. I was invited to speak to TAMU (KAMU 90.9) today at Noon (Central Time). Some of the questions he said we might talk about were... What is FreeBSD and Linux and what do they stand for (BSD/Linux). What are the advantages or capabilities that FreeBSD would have over say an NT server. What makes FreeBSD a better server than NT or other OSes. Anything about third party software and support? Any comments on NetBSD or OpenBSD?(I am NOT familiar with either so I can't say much about them) Comments on FreeBSD as a desktop, maybe comparing it to other desktops, Linux or Windows? I'm going to talk about our Houston FreeBSD Users Group along with mentioning my company which custom builds FreeBSD servers and sells the book and Cd's too. Here's the URL: http://cis.tamu.edu/news/gigabytes/ Anything you'd like to send me, please do either directly or thru the mailing list. Thanks. -- *************************************************************** Ingrid Kast Fuller (ingrid@cityscope.net) CityScope Computer Services Since 1984 CityScope Net (http://www.cityscope.net) 1(713)477-6161 109 West Southmore, Pasadena, TX 77502-1001 *************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 2 2:25:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrvr (pm1s09.lanline.com [206.152.160.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 180D214D24 for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:25:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from urvandsea@lanline.com) Received: from AspPostOffice - 127.0.0.1 by mailsrvr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1774.114.11); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 05:23:40 -0400 From: urvandsea@lanline.com To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: urvandsea@lanline.com SUBJECT:FREE unlimited job posting/FREE resume posting DATE:Wed, 02 Jun 1999 05:23:40 -0500 Message-ID: <0158e4023090269MAILSRVR@mailsrvr> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FREE UNLIMITED JOB POSTINGS/FREE RESUME POSTINGS Since your email address was listed on a related web site page or database, the following might be of interest: Would you lie to fill your job postings as soon as possible? 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Your email address will be permanently filtered from ALL future job opportunity notification sent by us.*** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 2 2:44:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from beach.silcom.com (beach.silcom.com [199.201.128.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E777514D04 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:44:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU) Received: from smarter.than.nu (pm0-26.vpop1.avtel.net [207.71.237.26]) by beach.silcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70B36A7; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 02:44:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian W. Buchanan" <brian@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> X-Sender: brian@smarter.than.nu To: Ingrid Kast Fuller <ingrid@cityscope.net> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Radio Talk Show In-Reply-To: <3754E989.CD953F89@cityscope.net> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9906020126590.467-100000@smarter.than.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Ingrid Kast Fuller wrote: > I'm looking for any suggestions or comments you might have on promoting > FreeBSD on a radio talk show. I was invited to speak to TAMU (KAMU 90.9) > today at Noon (Central Time). > > Some of the questions he said we might talk about were... > What is FreeBSD and Linux and what do they stand for (BSD/Linux). FreeBSD is an advanced, UNIX-based operating system for personal computers with Intel x86 processors (386, 486, Pentium, Pentium II, etc.), maintained by a large team of individuals collectively known as the FreeBSD Project. FreeBSD is a secure, multi-user operating system designed with performance and networking in mind. FreeBSD is used on many of the world's busiest Internet servers, including those at Yahoo, Best Communications (A major California ISP), US West, LinkExchange, and Walnut Creek CD-ROM. Walnut Creek CD-ROM's FTP archive is the Internet's busiest FTP site, transferring more than one terabyte (1000 gigabytes) per day using a single FreeBSD machine. Linux is a UNIX-like kernel created by Linus Torvalds, then a Finnish college student, and further developed by many independent contributors who submit their changes to Torvalds for inclusion into official Linux kernel releases. Linux was originally developed for Intel processors, but has since been ported to run on the PowerPC processor used in Macintosh computers and on several other popular processor families. Linux is similar to FreeBSD in functionality, performance, and stability, though FreeBSD is generally regarded to be better at handling the heavy loads experienced by busy servers. Unlike FreeBSD, which is distributed with both the operating system kernel and the other programms necessary to have a fully-functional operating system, Linux is just the kernel. It is combined with separately maintained sets of programs by other companies or groups of developers (Red Hat Software, for example) to create a functional system. There is only one primary FreeBSD distribution, which is produced by the FreeBSD project. There are very many Linux distributions, and perhaps three or four "primary" distributions which make up the vast majority of Linux installations. BSD stands for "Berkeley Systems Distribution", which is the name of the UNIX operating system developed at the University of California, Berkeley on which FreeBSD is based. The name Linux is, obviously, based on the first name of its creator. :) > What are the advantages or capabilities that FreeBSD would have over > say an NT server. > What makes FreeBSD a better server than NT or other OSes. FreeBSD is vastly superior to Windows NT in price, performance, and stablility. FreeBSD can be obtained for less than $40 on CD-ROM, or for free if downloaded via the Internet, while Windows NT Server costs hundreds of dollars. Windows NT systems do not tend to handle load well, and tend to crash unexpectedly, which could be very undesirable in a mission-critical environment. FreeBSD-based systems, on the other hand, tend to stay operational indefinitely, even when pushing their hardware to the max. Windows NT is a relatively young product, and has not yet matured to the point where it can be trusted with anything important. It's also a product of Microsoft, a company notorious for putting more effort into selling its products than into insuring that they actually work. FreeBSD is based on UNIX, which has been maturing since the 1970's, and is the product of some of the world's best software minds. The FreeBSD project enforces rigorous quality control on all contributed code, ensuring that the software is reliable and written in a fashion that will continue to be maintainable for years to come. > Anything about third party software and support? FreeBSD is distributed with what is called the "ports collection", a large (currently more than 2000 entries) collection of software packages specially modified to work under FreeBSD and be easy to install. Although commercial software for FreeBSD is rare, more and more commercial vendors are starting to release software for Linux, and FreeBSD is able to run nearly all Linux software. > Any comments on NetBSD or OpenBSD?(I am NOT familiar with either so > I can't say much about them) NetBSD and OpenBSD are also based on 4.4BSD, the same Berkeley release that FreeBSD is based on. While the FreeBSD project focuses on FreeBSD's performance on Intel processors, the NetBSD project focuses on porting their software to as many different architectures as possible. NetBSD will run on Intel-based computers, PowerPC-based ones, Sun SPARC workstations, and nearly every other architecture imagineable. The OpenBSD project branched from the NetBSD project, but focuses on making their operating system as secure as possible by carefully auditing the source code for security holes that system crackers could exploit and by employing cryptography to secure communications from eavesdroppers. Because of its roots in NetBSD, OpenBSD will run on many of the architectures that NetBSD will. > Comments on FreeBSD as a desktop, maybe comparing it to other > desktops, Linux or Windows? While nowhere near as many desktop applications are available for FreeBSD or Linux as for Windows, both operating systems still make excellent desktop OSes. While popular Windows applications such as Microsoft Word or Internet Explorer are not available for FreeBSD, Corel WordPefect for Linux and Netscape Communicator work well as substitutes. The options for desktop look-and-feel are much wider for FreeBSD and Linux, as many different programs are available to provide the underlying desktop functionality, each with its own style. One can mix-and-match programs to create a unique desktop configuration for his or her taste. It's even possible to have a desktop that looks and feels very much like Microsoft Windows. > I'm going to talk about our Houston FreeBSD Users Group along with > mentioning my company which custom builds FreeBSD servers and sells the > book and Cd's too. Good luck! I'm affraid I think too much toward the technical side of things and may have over-emphasised things would be trivia to newbies and not said enough about things that a potential FreeBSD user would want to know, but I'm sure you'll use your judgement and apply marketing spin where necessary. :) -- Brian Buchanan brian@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU -------------------------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org daemon(n): 1. an attendant power or spirit : GENIUS 2. the cute little mascot of the FreeBSD operating system To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 2 3:14: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from www0x.netaddress.usa.net (www0x.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2EB8014E85 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 03:14:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.monroy@usa.net) Received: (qmail 7581 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 1999 10:13:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19990602101359.7580.qmail@www0x.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.53 by www0x via web-mailer(M3.0.0.135) on Wed Jun 2 10:13:59 GMT 1999 Date: 2 Jun 99 03:13:59 PDT From: Jesus Monroy <jesus.monroy@usa.net> To: bahwi <bahwi@technologist.com> Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [How to get members for user's groups?]]] Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.135) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Please note I trimmed the bafug.org. It seems they don't like my usa.net account. bahwi <bahwi@technologist.com> wrote: > > Please note I've taken the liberty to CC to > > advocacy and chat@bafug.org. > > = > > Okay, starting over, you'd like to get a User group > > started in houston. = > = > No, we have one started, we just want more people to come to the > meetings. We averaging about 4 each time. We are also against > 2 linux groups, and a unix group which focuses on linux. = > = Okay, good. Step 3. If there are any swap meets or computer events you might want to consider wearing a Daemon. It enough to look like a *BSDer, but not dorky where you'll look like a doof. Next, is to try to do some type of contest or event. Like perhaps an obfuscate Bourne shell = contest. This is just enough to get both hackers and old timers out to take a look. IS that a good start, or do you want more ideas? --- IN that context, it is the BSD that should be considered, not the prefix. http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/cgi-bin/newsread?34858 ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 2 5:27: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrvr (wp1dial130.lanline.com [216.187.1.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0043B14CE2 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 05:26:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from urvandsea@lanline.com) Received: from AspPostOffice - 127.0.0.1 by mailsrvr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1774.114.11); Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:35:47 -0400 From: urvandsea@lanline.com To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: urvandsea@lanline.com SUBJECT:FREE unlimited job posting/FREE resume posting DATE:Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:35:47 -0500 Message-ID: <006e14735120269MAILSRVR@mailsrvr> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FREE UNLIMITED JOB POSTINGS/FREE RESUME POSTINGS Since your email address was listed on a related web site page or database, the following might be of interest: Would you lie to fill your job postings as soon as possible? 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Your email address will be permanently filtered from ALL future job opportunity notification sent by us.*** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 2 6:24:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.thuntek.net (srv1.thuntek.net [206.206.98.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E3B14E30; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 06:24:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-065.thuntek.net [207.66.52.65]) by srv1.thuntek.net (8.9.1/8.6.12TNT1.0) with ESMTP id HAA07385; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:24:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <37552FB3.FD98F53B@thuntek.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 07:20:51 -0600 From: Donald Wilde <dwilde1@thuntek.net> Reply-To: dwilde1@thuntek.net Organization: Wilde Media X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: core@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: working on Apple PR Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------82FDCB46414C24B9A488971D" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------82FDCB46414C24B9A488971D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, guys - I've been working on a joint press release with Apple's Darwin people, and it got too close to Jordan's Japan trip for him to be able to make comments in time to get this released by June 6, start of Freenix. I pencilled in a bogus blurb from Jordan, but -- although he didn't blow it off -- he didn't have time to think about it and approve. Would one of you guys step up to the plate and give me something along these lines? The Apple folks are definitely with us, they're getting a VP Weenie to say something useful for us. It is getting too long, but let's get good juicy stuff in there first and chop later. -- Don Wilde "Bringing the Internet to everyone!" Wilde Media 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd. SE #117 voice: 505-771-0709 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 e-mail: dwilde1@thuntek.net --------------82FDCB46414C24B9A488971D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="pr_darwin.2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline; filename="pr_darwin.2" DISCLAIMER: THIS IS NOT TO BE RELEASED TO ANY PUBLIC FORUM INCLUDING MAIL= ING LISTS IN THIS FORM. MOST ITEMS REFERRED TO AS QUOTES ARE COMPLETE FAB= RICATIONS. /** NEWS RELEASE **/: FreeBSD AND NetBSD WELCOME APPLE'S "DARWIN" INTO TH= E BSD FAMILY Concord, CA, June 6, 1999: Apple's newly released Mac OS X Server, code= -named "Darwin", is a welcome new member in the Berkeley Software Develop= ment (BSD) Operating System family. Wilfredo Sanchez, Technical Lead for the Darwin Project at Apple, makes n= o secret of the leverage BSD code gives him. "The BSD code in Darwin is a= n essential part of our operating system strategy." Sanchez and his team = have spent over a year working with the NetBSD team. The development has = been beneficial to both sides, with over half of the user commands in Dar= win directly taken from NetBSD, and Apple improvements being integrated b= ack into the NetBSD source. Apple has been leveraging BSD code in its new= and upcoming operating system, Mac OS X, since the acquisition of NeXT S= oftware, Inc. over two years ago. The foundation of Mac OS X is the BSD o= perating system. This foundation has been released by Apple as a standalo= ne BSD system using the open source model. Although the Darwin kernel is = based on the Mach microkernel from Carnegie-Mellon University, Sanchez ac= knowledges that FreeBSD code is helping make the kernel state-of-the-art.= "We intend to use FreeBSD's code to update our libraries and part of our= kernel, and some of the remaining user commands." He intends to return t= he favor, saying, "... as we make changes, we'll send them back upstream.= " = That kind of reciprocity is a return to the original software development= model that was universal in the early days of computing before PCs. Appl= e has its proprietary "value added" in the friendly Mac user interface la= yered on top of the core BSD code, but Sanchez and his superiors at Apple= are firmly convinced that core software improvements should be freely sh= ared. "The fact is that more diffs translates into more work," he says. M= r. Very Big Cheese, VP of Development at Apple, concurs. "Leveraging the = twenty years of BSD heritage allows our developers to concentrate on addi= ng Apple's unique user experience to the solid robust foundation of BSD c= ode. Releasing our OS improvements to the world is a sound business decis= ion, because we benefit in return from improvements made by the rest of t= he community." Sanchez will be presenting his project to the entire UNIX development com= munity at the annual Usenix convention, starting today in Monterey, CA. H= e will speak as part of the "Freenix" track of the conference, an entire = series of programs devoted to the open source software movement. Jordan H= ubbard, Chairman of the Freenix track and leader of The FreeBSD Project, = is extremely pleased to have Apple's open participation in the BSD develo= pment community. "This validates our position that commercial development= efforts can and will maintain a healthy synergy with open source softwar= e projects like FreeBSD and NetBSD. As more smart businessmen discover th= e incredible free resource that is BSD software, they will come to the co= nclusion, as Apple did, that it is in their best interests to contribute = to the open source development efforts." "Our interaction with Apple on t= his project has been extremely rewarding for NetBSD and is the kind of op= en cooperation we would like to see more of," says Herb Peyerl of The Net= BSD Project. FreeBSD and NetBSD are open source operating systems based on the last op= en release of BSD UNIX, 4.4BSDLite2. Each effort has kept up with the lat= est technologies in processors and software architectures, with FreeBSD c= oncentrating on optimization for the Intel processor line and NetBSD conc= entrating on architectural purity and run-anywhere portability. "Our stre= ngths are robustness, portability, secureity and technical excellence," s= ays Peyerl of the NetBSD Project. Jordan Hubbard of FreeBSD takes it a bi= t further, saying that "The Internet is built on BSD-based designs. Berke= ley socket technology and TCP/IP is the foundation of all Internet protoc= ols such as http and ftp, and FreeBSD has a reputation for being the a ve= ry stable, scalable operating system for commercial development of large-= scale web-servers, ISP's and graphics rendering farms." He goes on to say= that "Companies who profit from their use of FreeBSD often put developer= s on the payroll with the specific mandate to work on BSD code. Apple is = simply the latest to discover this sensible approach to development." = ------------------------------------------------------------------ The FreeBSD Project contact: Jordan Hubbard = Concord, California = 925-682-7859 jkh@freebsd.org The NetBSD Project contact: Christos Zoulas 76 Lippard Avenue San Francisco, CA 94131-2947 core@netbsd.org Apple Computer, Inc. contact: Miss Apple Mac Apple PR 1 Infinite Loop, XXX-XK Cupertino, CA 95014 XXX-XXX-XXXX pr@apple.com --------------82FDCB46414C24B9A488971D-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 2 7:31:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386F815392; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:29:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA10714; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:29:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Message-Id: <199906021429.IAA10714@pluto.plutotech.com> To: dwilde1@thuntek.net Cc: core@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: working on Apple PR In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Jun 1999 07:20:51 MDT." <37552FB3.FD98F53B@thuntek.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:18:46 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" <gibbs@plutotech.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >It is getting too long, but let's get good juicy stuff in there first >and chop later. Just one quick comment. 'BSD' stands for Berkeley Software Distribution, not Berkeley Software Development. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 2 8:25:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC4A14F7E for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:25:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: (from jkh@localhost) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA51291 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:25:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:25:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-Id: <199906021525.IAA51291@zippy.cdrom.com> To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: First interview hits the web.. Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Unfortunately, you need to speak Japanese. :) http://www.nikkei.co.jp/cyspecial The Nikkei is the japanese stock exchange; I'm doing two interviews with them, this being the first. 6 interviews and 2 talks (the 2nd happily quite short) in 3 days; woog. I think I'm going to try for a slightly more relaxed pace next time, maybe get a few dives in at Yokohama if I can hook up with some japanese scuba divers here. :) Back in 2 days.. - Jordan P.S. It was *not* my idea that they use that particular mug shot. :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 2 8:28:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from OAAI.COM (ns1.oaai.com [142.148.106.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FAD615142 for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:28:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from maury@gamara.oaai.com) Received: from gamara (gamara.oaai.com [142.148.106.67]) by OAAI.COM (8.9.1/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA15769 for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:29:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from maury@gamara.oaai.com) Received: by gamara (NX5.67g/NX3.0S) id AA14399; Wed, 2 Jun 99 11:40:16 -0400 Message-Id: <9906021540.AA14399@gamara> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.2mach v148) In-Reply-To: <37552FB3.FD98F53B@thuntek.net> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.2mach (Enhance 2.1) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.148) From: Maury Markowitz <maury@OAAI.COM> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 99 11:40:16 -0400 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: working on Apple PR References: <37552FB3.FD98F53B@thuntek.net> Reply-To: maury@OAAI.COM X-Softarcians: Maury, Doran, Wendy & Nick Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 02 Jun 1999 07:20:51 -0600, Donald Wilde claimed: > lines? The Apple folks are definitely with us, they're getting a VP > Weenie to say something useful for us. If it's Fred I think you'll be impressed, he's a pretty good talker. Great release BTW. Maury To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 2 8:42:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from leap.innerx.net (leap.innerx.net [38.179.176.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74DA15271 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:42:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.dyndns.org) Received: from holly.dyndns.org (ip137.houston2.tx.pub-ip.psi.net [38.11.201.137]) by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2835370AA; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA37771; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:41:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chris) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:41:48 -0500 From: Chris Costello <chris@calldei.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: First interview hits the web.. Message-ID: <19990602104148.H34732@holly.dyndns.org> Reply-To: chris@calldei.com References: <199906021525.IAA51291@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.2i In-Reply-To: <199906021525.IAA51291@zippy.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 08:25:56AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jun 2, 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > P.S. It was *not* my idea that they use that particular mug shot. :) Interesting caption: "Hubbard??" -- Chris Costello <chris@calldei.com> The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 2 8:53:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.thuntek.net (srv1.thuntek.net [206.206.98.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6416B14C27 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:53:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-171.thuntek.net [207.66.52.171]) by srv1.thuntek.net (8.9.1/8.6.12TNT1.0) with ESMTP id JAA05300; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:53:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <375552B2.BAA34246@thuntek.net> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 09:50:10 -0600 From: Donald Wilde <dwilde1@thuntek.net> Reply-To: dwilde1@thuntek.net Organization: Wilde Media X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: maury@OAAI.COM Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: working on Apple PR References: <37552FB3.FD98F53B@thuntek.net> <9906021540.AA14399@gamara> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Maury Markowitz wrote: > > On Wed, 02 Jun 1999 07:20:51 -0600, Donald Wilde claimed: > > lines? The Apple folks are definitely with us, they're getting a VP > > Weenie to say something useful for us. > > If it's Fred I think you'll be impressed, he's a pretty good talker. > Great release BTW. > The comments you see there already are Fred. They (Fred and Ernie, his boss) are trying to get somebody at the VP level to comment. -- Don Wilde "Bringing the Internet to everyone!" Wilde Media 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd. SE #117 voice: 505-771-0709 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 e-mail: dwilde1@thuntek.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 2 10:26:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF1E14CAA for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:26:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id KAA10705; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id KAA00070; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:25:56 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn2.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA15403; Wed, 2 Jun 99 10:25:53 PDT Message-Id: <37556921.B440E693@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 11:25:53 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: First interview hits the web.. References: <199906021525.IAA51291@zippy.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > 6 interviews and 2 talks (the 2nd happily quite short) in 3 days; woog. > I think I'm going to try for a slightly more relaxed pace next time, > maybe get a few dives in at Yokohama if I can hook up with some japanese > scuba divers here. :) Thanks, as usual, for your tireless (or tiring) efforts. > Back in 2 days.. Hopefully you can sleep on the flight back. You'll need your rest for Usenix, right? BOFs all night, speeches all day. Better you than me, I'm too old for that. > P.S. It was *not* my idea that they use that particular mug shot. :) Better than the one on the opening page... ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 2 10:59:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A22A1531F for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:59:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id KAA11471; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id KAA01667; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:59:42 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn2.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA17295; Wed, 2 Jun 99 10:59:40 PDT Message-Id: <3755710C.C32B06F4@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 11:59:40 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Security Ceritfication for individuals References: <199906020817.MAA31586@paranoid.eltex.spb.ru> <37556EAB.6101B755@softweyr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wes Peters wrote: > > ark@eltex.ru wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > nuqneH, > > > > Tekmetrics has announced it. I'd better not trust ICSA. > > IMHO security certification is all bullshit (in RL) but it is going to be > > free with Tekmetrics at least. > > I'd better say to fsck off to potential employer if he asks me if i have > > ICSA certification ;) > > I just poked around the Tekmetrics web site, and it looks pretty good. > If anyone is interested in creating FreeBSD certifications, as a > programmer, system administrator, or security administrator, working > with Tekmetrics to make FreeBSD-specific versions of their generic > UNIX exams would be a good starting point. > > http://www.tekmetrics.com/ (duh!) This topic came up in the -security mailing list, but is related to an occasional discussion here in -advocacy. Tekmetrics has a "reseller" program, where you can sell their certification tests on your own web site. This would certainly be appropriate for the FreeBSD Mall and any other vendor of FreeBSD-related good or services. If possible, I'd like for several of the -advocates to surf over there, look at the trial tests, and perhaps take the UNIX programmer or UNIX system administrator test as their free test, to get a feeling if this is something we'd like to pursue. Of course, if I don't manage to score in the Master UNIX programmer range, their test is OBVIOUSLY flawed. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 2 13:23:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC6614BED for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:23:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id WAA26051; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:23:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Will Andrews <andrews@TECHNOLOGIST.COM> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: www.dell.com/linux References: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905261756580.27788-100000@freebie.dp.ny.frb.org> <3.0.6.32.19990527013226.008ae120@MAIL.PSN.NET> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no> Date: 02 Jun 1999 22:23:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: Will Andrews's message of "Thu, 27 May 1999 01:32:26 -0400" Message-ID: <xzp67564aj2.fsf@localhost.ping.uio.no> Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Will Andrews <andrews@TECHNOLOGIST.COM> writes: > A warning for those of you considering running FreeBSD on a Dell laptop - > don't! [...] Ever tried to plug a Cisco console cable into the serial port on a Latitude? Man, these things are evil. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 2 13:37:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19C8814E0B for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:37:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id WAA26081; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:37:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: "Scott I. Remick" <scott@computeralt.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on c|Net References: <4.2.0.54.19990527105332.036ed880@mail.computeralt.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no> Date: 02 Jun 1999 22:37:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Scott I. Remick"'s message of "Thu, 27 May 1999 10:54:30 -0400" Message-ID: <xzp3e0a49vw.fsf@localhost.ping.uio.no> Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Scott I. Remick" <scott@computeralt.com> writes: > c|Net just did a review on alternatives to Windoze, and FreeBSD 3.2 was one > of the OSes reviewed.... yay! > > <http://home.cnet.com/category/0-3709-7-284910.html> Old stuff. Never mind the date on the front page. Search the list archives if you don't believe me. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 2 14:58: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from neptune.psn.net (unknown [207.211.58.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D4E14BEF for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:58:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrews@technologist.com) Received: from 5042-243.008.popsite.net ([209.224.140.243] helo=shadow) by neptune.psn.net with smtp (PSN Internet Service 2.12 #3) for advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG id 10pJ1N-0001rY-00; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 14:58:01 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990602175107.008c44a0@MAIL.PSN.NET> X-Sender: andrews@MAIL.PSN.NET X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 17:51:07 -0400 To: The FreeBSD Advocacy Mailing List <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG> From: Will Andrews <andrews@TECHNOLOGIST.COM> Subject: Re: First interview hits the web.. In-Reply-To: <199906021525.IAA51291@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 08:25 AM 6/2/99 -0700, you wrote: >The Nikkei is the japanese stock exchange; I'm doing two interviews >with them, this being the first. The Nikkei interested in FreeBSD? That's news to me. I never saw a stock exchange that cared about OS's. >P.S. It was *not* my idea that they use that particular mug shot. :) Hmm.. where have I seen this one before? Oh yes. I think it was on your resume. ;P -- Will Andrews <wca@gatekeep.net> System Administrator, Gatekeeper Technologies Powered by FreeBSD - http://www.gatekeep.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 2 15: 4: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3086814BEF; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:04:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id PAA14519; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id PAA10524; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:03:19 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn2.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA28532; Wed, 2 Jun 99 15:03:17 PDT Message-Id: <3755AA24.6939A257@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:03:16 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Alfred Perlstein <bright@rush.net> Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linking the kernel to include QuickCam device driver References: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990602164848.9491A-100000@cygnus.rush.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > If anything you should investigate a bt848 based capture card: > > http://www.hauppage.com/ > > I really like my "winTV" card. Speaking of the bt driver, Hauppage mentions Linux drivers in their FAQ on their support web page, but not FreeBSD. Do we have a URL anywhere that refers to the brooktree driver or the WinTV card, so we can get FreeBSD on their "self-supported" list also? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 2 15:43:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251F814D07 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:43:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id PAA15027; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id PAA11780; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:42:16 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn2.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA00429; Wed, 2 Jun 99 15:42:14 PDT Message-Id: <3755B346.AD717121@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 16:42:14 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no> Cc: Will Andrews <andrews@TECHNOLOGIST.COM>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: www.dell.com/linux References: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9905261756580.27788-100000@freebie.dp.ny.frb.org> <3.0.6.32.19990527013226.008ae120@MAIL.PSN.NET> <xzp67564aj2.fsf@localhost.ping.uio.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Will Andrews <andrews@TECHNOLOGIST.COM> writes: > > A warning for those of you considering running FreeBSD on a Dell laptop - > > don't! [...] > > Ever tried to plug a Cisco console cable into the serial port on a > Latitude? Man, these things are evil. No, but I can say from experience that my Sony VAIO laptop works just fine on Xylan console ports. ;^) I still can't get a squeak out of the audio half of the NeoMagic 256AV chip, though... -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 2 16:50: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp (nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp [131.112.148.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 297C5153BD for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp) Received: from localhost (neon.enveng.titech.ac.jp [131.112.148.211]) by nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA04772 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:44:46 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp) To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: First interview hits the web.. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:41:48 -0500" <19990602104148.H34732@holly.dyndns.org> References: <19990602104148.H34732@holly.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990603085022A.masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 08:50:22 +0900 From: UEBAYASHI Masao <masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp> X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 6 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Interesting caption: "Hubbard??" It's witten as ``Hubbard shi'', meaning ``Mr. Hubbard''. More formal than ``Hubbard san'' style. UEBAYASHi Masao, from the end of Yokohama To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 2 17: 3:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp (nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp [131.112.148.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DFA414E2E for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:03:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp) Received: from localhost (neon.enveng.titech.ac.jp [131.112.148.211]) by nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA04805 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:58:26 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp) To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: First interview hits the web.. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:25:56 -0700 (PDT)" <199906021525.IAA51291@zippy.cdrom.com> References: <199906021525.IAA51291@zippy.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990603090402N.masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 09:04:02 +0900 From: UEBAYASHI Masao <masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp> X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 19 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Unfortunately, you need to speak Japanese. :) No. This is the very fortunate *opportunity* for all of you to learn... :P > The Nikkei is the japanese stock exchange; I'm doing two interviews No, too. Nikkei is one of the major newspaper publishing company. It specializes in economic matters. ``Nikkei'' is abbrev of ``Nihon Keizai Shinbun-sha''. ``Nihon'' means Japan. ``Keizai'' means economy. ``Shinbun'' means newspaper. ``sha'' means company. Something vague? :-) UEBAYASHi Masao, from the end of Yokohama To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 2 19:17:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.webnology.com (mercury.webnology.com [209.155.51.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B276214F2E for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:17:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jooji@webnology.com) Received: from localhost (jooji@localhost) by mercury.webnology.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id UAA30255; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:17:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:17:41 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jasper O'Malley" <jooji@webnology.com> To: UEBAYASHI Masao <masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: First interview hits the web.. In-Reply-To: <19990603090402N.masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.02.9906022016490.30184-100000@mercury.webnology.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, UEBAYASHI Masao wrote: > No, too. Nikkei is one of the major newspaper publishing company. It > specializes in economic matters. Just like Dow Jones in the States :) Cheers, Mick The Reverend Jasper P. O'Malley dotdot:jooji@webnology.com Systems Administrator ringring:asktheadmiral Webnology, LLC woowoo:http://www.webnology.com/~jooji To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 2 21:17:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (mail1.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 054C414E0F for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:17:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wghicks@bellsouth.net) Received: from wghicks.bellsouth.net (host-209-214-71-61.atl.bellsouth.net [209.214.71.61]) by mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA16461; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wghicks (wghicks@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wghicks.bellsouth.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA00679; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 00:19:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net) Message-Id: <199906030419.AAA00679@bellsouth.net> To: Robert Withrow <witr@rwwa.com> Cc: mike@smith.net.au, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Kernel config script In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 01 Jun 1999 07:12:05 EDT." <199906011112.HAA01994@spooky.rwwa.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 00:19:59 -0400 From: W Gerald Hicks <wghicks@bellsouth.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [to advocacy] Rober Withrow <witr@rwwa.com> said: : : mike@smith.net.au said: : :- there are certain classes of users that it's in our interests _not_ : :- to attract. : : So, Mike, when will you be issuing the official FreeBSD Qualification Test : (FQT), and issuing a License to Use FreeBSD (LUF)? : : Sheesh! :-( The sarcasm wasn't really helpful was it? Actually, some certification program may be useful to help advance FreeBSD. Sorry, I agree with Mike here. IMHO, the major thrust of FreeBSD's marketing efforts should continue to be directed toward competent computer professionals, at least for now. It's more exciting (to me at least) when -core and the top developers of FreeBSD concentrate on architectural and system features which help attract first-rate developer talent. The time for marketing to the mainstream will come but jumping the gun and bringing hordes of whiny illiterates onto the backs of the FreeBSD developers right now will only serve to impede progress toward that goal. That said, FreeBSD is a wonderful system for newbies and pros alike. It helps to have a competent professional around for help but I've seen quite a few totally green users suceed too. Quite often, they succeed simply because they have good manners and are polite when asking for help. The kind of user who won't read, can't formulate a coherent question or submit a useful bug report is a parasitic burden and (IMHO) should not be coaxed away from what they are currently using, _unless_ it's FreeBSD. Cheers, Jerry Hicks wghicks@bellsouth.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 2 21:52:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp (nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp [131.112.148.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B324C14E7A for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:52:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp) Received: from localhost (neon.enveng.titech.ac.jp [131.112.148.211]) by nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA05631 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:47:19 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp) To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: First interview hits the web.. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:17:41 -0500 (CDT)" <Pine.LNX.4.02.9906022016490.30184-100000@mercury.webnology.com> References: <Pine.LNX.4.02.9906022016490.30184-100000@mercury.webnology.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990603135258Q.masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 13:52:58 +0900 From: UEBAYASHI Masao <masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp> X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 46 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > No, too. Nikkei is one of the major newspaper publishing company. It ies > > specializes in economic matters. > > Just like Dow Jones in the States :) More correctly, Nihon Keizai Shinbunsha constructs `keiretsu' or Nikkei group which related with economy and publishing. For example, Nikkei BP, one of its `keiretsu', publishes many magazines about IT Nikkei Pasokon (PASOnal KONputer :D) Nikkei Byte (translated Byte) Nikkei Mac (guess) Nikkei Click (for novice) Nikkei WinPC (inevitable...:P) Nikkei BestPC Nikkei PC21 Nikkei Mobile Nikkei Computer Nikkei Software Nikkei Open System Nikkei WindowsNT Nikkei Infomation Strategy Nikkei CG Nikkei System Provider Nikkei Comunication Nikkei Live n@vi Nikkei Weekend n@vi Nikkei Net Business Nikkei Multimedia Nikkei New Medial Nikkei Desital Money System Nikkei Internet Technology Nikkei Linux (not periodic yet) Nikkei Java Review (sigh... I write down this manually!) and many other electronic or engineering ones. These are mainly read by enterprises so it can be thought that Nikkei's publication influences business scene in Japan. So far, as you imagine, Nikkei seems to like WindowsNT more than pc unices. From now? I don't know. :D UEBAYASHI Masao To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 3 2:56: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from firewall1.lehman.com (firewall.Lehman.COM [192.147.65.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99DDD14F2E for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 02:56:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nclayton@lehman.com) Received: from relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com by firewall1.lehman.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA09460; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 05:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lonmailhost.lehman.com by relay.messaging-svcs2.lehman.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) id FAA04535; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 05:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lonmailhost.lehman.com (SMI-8.6/Lehman Bros. V1.5) id KAA18668; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:55:28 +0100 Message-ID: <19990603105528.T22307@lehman.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:55:28 +0100 From: nclayton@lehman.com To: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Security Ceritfication for individuals References: <199906020817.MAA31586@paranoid.eltex.spb.ru> <37556EAB.6101B755@softweyr.com> <3755710C.C32B06F4@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <3755710C.C32B06F4@softweyr.com>; from Wes Peters on Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 11:59:40AM -0600 Organization: Lehman Brothers Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 11:59:40AM -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > Wes Peters wrote: > > I just poked around the Tekmetrics web site, and it looks pretty good. > > If anyone is interested in creating FreeBSD certifications, as a > > programmer, system administrator, or security administrator, working > > with Tekmetrics to make FreeBSD-specific versions of their generic > > UNIX exams would be a good starting point. > > > > http://www.tekmetrics.com/ (duh!) > > This topic came up in the -security mailing list, but is related to > an occasional discussion here in -advocacy. Tekmetrics has a "reseller" > program, where you can sell their certification tests on your own web > site. This would certainly be appropriate for the FreeBSD Mall and > any other vendor of FreeBSD-related good or services. > > If possible, I'd like for several of the -advocates to surf over there, > look at the trial tests, and perhaps take the UNIX programmer or UNIX > system administrator test as their free test, to get a feeling if this > is something we'd like to pursue. I've just done this; Congratulations! You passed at the Master's Level with a score of 4.46. You are now a Certified Master Unix Administrator. <homer>Whoo hoo</homer> I receive the certificate in 4-6 weeks apparently. It's a 40 question multiple choice test (5 choices per question). You get 180 seconds per question (Javascript controlled) and most of the answers would easily be found in the man pages. I'm not sure of the overall value. I now get to put links to http://www.tekmetrics.com/transcript.shtml?pid=26428 anywhere I want (so be looking out for a commit to www/en/index.sgml soon :-) ) which is nice. In my experience as a contractor I'm not sure if this counts for much, as the vast majority of companies will have their own Unix tests that they give you at the first or second interview. And this web one is trivially easy to cheat on, just by making sure you've got access to a set of Unix manual pages. The majority of the test applies to FreeBSD. There are a couple of questions in there that are SysV-ish, like K30tcp K70cron S15preserve S50rpc K40nfs K99inet S30tcp S70cron K50rpc S01MOUNTOFSYS S40nfs During shutdown, which prefixes in the sample code directory list above are of interest? Choice 1 All S's Choice 2 All K's Choice 3 K99 S99 Choice 4 K30 S30 K50 K70 K70 S70 Choice 5 S01MOUNTOFSYS which could be replaced by questions about /etc/rc.conf and friends. I don't think there's any reason why we couldn't pursue this, as I don't think there's a cost to the project as a whole. However, one thing that might be worth thinking about. Roughly 6 months ago I approached -core about the Amazon and Barnes and Noble partnership programs. My idea was to put links to the appropriate books from the Handbook bibliography on the site, and get a percentage of the revenue from any links via the bibliography. -core decided this was not a good idea, which is fair enough. This reseller-test program works along the same lines, so -core may have the same objections. N -- --+==[ Systems Administrator, Year 2000 Test Lab, Lehman Brothers, Inc. ]==+-- --+==[ 1 Broadgate, London, EC2M 7HA 0171-601-0011 x5514 ]==+-- --+==[ Year 2000 Testing: It's about time. . . ]==+-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 3 3:11:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from eagle.phc.igs.net (eagle.phc.igs.net [207.210.17.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE7E14F2E for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 03:11:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eagle@phc.igs.net) Received: from localhost (eagle@localhost) by eagle.phc.igs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA51039; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 06:10:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from eagle@phc.igs.net) X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.phc.igs.net: eagle owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 06:10:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Garrett <eagle@phc.igs.net> To: nclayton@lehman.com Cc: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Security Ceritfication for individuals In-Reply-To: <19990603105528.T22307@lehman.com> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.9906030608290.51007-100000@eagle.phc.igs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 nclayton@lehman.com wrote: > On Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 11:59:40AM -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > > Wes Peters wrote: > > > I just poked around the Tekmetrics web site, and it looks pretty good. > > > If anyone is interested in creating FreeBSD certifications, as a > > > programmer, system administrator, or security administrator, working > > > with Tekmetrics to make FreeBSD-specific versions of their generic > > > UNIX exams would be a good starting point. > > > > > > http://www.tekmetrics.com/ (duh!) > > > > This topic came up in the -security mailing list, but is related to > > an occasional discussion here in -advocacy. Tekmetrics has a "reseller" > > program, where you can sell their certification tests on your own web > > site. This would certainly be appropriate for the FreeBSD Mall and > > any other vendor of FreeBSD-related good or services. > > > > If possible, I'd like for several of the -advocates to surf over there, > > look at the trial tests, and perhaps take the UNIX programmer or UNIX > > system administrator test as their free test, to get a feeling if this > > is something we'd like to pursue. > > I've just done this; > > Congratulations! You passed at the Master's Level with a score of > 4.46. You are now a Certified Master Unix Administrator. > > <homer>Whoo hoo</homer> > > I receive the certificate in 4-6 weeks apparently. > > It's a 40 question multiple choice test (5 choices per question). You get > 180 seconds per question (Javascript controlled) and most of the answers > would easily be found in the man pages. > > I'm not sure of the overall value. I now get to put links to > > http://www.tekmetrics.com/transcript.shtml?pid=26428 > > anywhere I want (so be looking out for a commit to www/en/index.sgml soon > :-) ) which is nice. In my experience as a contractor I'm not sure if this > counts for much, as the vast majority of companies will have their own > Unix tests that they give you at the first or second interview. And this > web one is trivially easy to cheat on, just by making sure you've got > access to a set of Unix manual pages. > > The majority of the test applies to FreeBSD. There are a couple of > questions in there that are SysV-ish, like > > K30tcp K70cron S15preserve S50rpc > K40nfs K99inet S30tcp S70cron > K50rpc S01MOUNTOFSYS S40nfs > > During shutdown, which prefixes in the sample code directory list > above are of interest? > > Choice 1 All S's > Choice 2 All K's > Choice 3 K99 S99 > Choice 4 K30 S30 K50 K70 K70 S70 > Choice 5 S01MOUNTOFSYS > > which could be replaced by questions about /etc/rc.conf and friends. > > I don't think there's any reason why we couldn't pursue this, as I don't > think there's a cost to the project as a whole. > > However, one thing that might be worth thinking about. Roughly 6 months > ago I approached -core about the Amazon and Barnes and Noble partnership > programs. My idea was to put links to the appropriate books from the > Handbook bibliography on the site, and get a percentage of the revenue from > any links via the bibliography. -core decided this was not a good idea, > which is fair enough. > > This reseller-test program works along the same lines, so -core may have > the same objections. > This is just a thought for you all to think about. If we have to write the test ourselves it would be easy enough to administer the same kind of test, free to people via the advocacy site. depending on the response I get from this.. Rob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 3 4:57:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from leap.innerx.net (leap.innerx.net [38.179.176.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 239E214FFE for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 04:57:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.dyndns.org) Received: from holly.dyndns.org (ip137.houston2.tx.pub-ip.psi.net [38.11.201.137]) by leap.innerx.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E1337004; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 07:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA40460; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 06:56:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chris) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 06:56:57 -0500 From: Chris Costello <chris@calldei.com> To: nclayton@lehman.com Cc: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Security Ceritfication for individuals Message-ID: <19990603065657.D40089@holly.dyndns.org> Reply-To: chris@calldei.com References: <199906020817.MAA31586@paranoid.eltex.spb.ru> <37556EAB.6101B755@softweyr.com> <3755710C.C32B06F4@softweyr.com> <19990603105528.T22307@lehman.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.2i In-Reply-To: <19990603105528.T22307@lehman.com>; from nclayton@lehman.com on Thu, Jun 03, 1999 at 10:55:28AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jun 3, 1999, nclayton@lehman.com wrote: > Congratulations! You passed at the Master's Level with a score of > 4.46. You are now a Certified Master Unix Administrator. > > <homer>Whoo hoo</homer> Bleh. I only got a 3.06, on the Unix Programmer test. Congratulations! You passed with a score of 3.06. You are now a Certified Unix Programmer. Probably some of the strange things that 'will happen in sysv but different on BSD' and the tty control got me. Oh well... -- Chris Costello <chris@calldei.com> Debugger: A tool that substitutes afterthought for forethought. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 3 6:16:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from liffey.co-operation-ireland.ie (d1-ppp-135.connect.ie [194.106.128.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE25615272 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 06:16:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from relyod@co-operation-ireland.ie) Received: from it1 (it1 [199.107.2.129]) by liffey.co-operation-ireland.ie (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA09242 for <freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:15:51 +0100 (IST) (envelope-from relyod@co-operation-ireland.ie) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990603141646.007b9340@199.107.2.1> X-Sender: relyod@199.107.2.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 14:16:46 +0100 To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Michael Doyle <relyod@co-operation-ireland.ie> Subject: Interview mentioning FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was interviewed by the "Public Communications Center" (an umbrella group providing services to non-profit organisations in Ireland) about how we use computers & internet technologies in our company. The interview is on the PCC website http://www.pcc.ie/net/ci.html ( Their main site is http://www.pcc.ie/ ) During the interview I gave a fairly strong plug for FreeBSD. It didn't come out quite as stongly in what was finaly put on the website, but you might be interested in reading the artivcle anyway. <>< ============================================================ ><> Michael Doyle email: relyod@co-operation-ireland.ie Network Administrator personal email: relyod@indigo.ie Co-operation Ireland http://www.co-operation-ireland.ie/ Phone: +353-1-661 0588 Fax: +353-1-661 8456 ********************************************************************* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 3 12:25:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peewee.cdrom.com (mg130-099.ricochet.net [204.179.130.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259C314CEE for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:25:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@peewee.cdrom.com) Received: from peewee (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by peewee.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA10809; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 03:50:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@peewee.cdrom.com) To: chris@calldei.com Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: First interview hits the web.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:41:48 CDT." <19990602104148.H34732@holly.dyndns.org> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 03:50:53 -0700 Message-ID: <10806.928407053@peewee> From: Jordan Hubbard <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Differences in name syntax in Japan. They're never sure if I'm Mr Jordan or Mr Hubbard. :) - Jordan > On Wed, Jun 2, 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > P.S. It was *not* my idea that they use that particular mug shot. :) > > Interesting caption: "Hubbard??" > > -- > Chris Costello <chris@calldei.com> > The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 3 12:36:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from OAAI.COM (ns1.oaai.com [142.148.106.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54B015964 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:36:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from maury@OAAI.COM) Received: from sasquatch (sasquatch.oaai.com [142.148.106.72]) by OAAI.COM (8.9.1/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA17752 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:37:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from maury) Message-Id: <199906031937.PAA17752@OAAI.COM> To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Apple's driver stuff? Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:44:04 -0400 From: Maury Markowitz <maury@OAAI.COM> X-Mailer-Extensions: SWSignature 1.3.2 X-Mailer: by Apple MailViewer (2.106) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I guess this isn't _really_ an advocacy question, but it seems like a good place to ask anyway. When I was at WWDC this year Apple was showing off it's new pluggable networking stack. Prettu impressive. During the talk they gave a longish intro into how they were writing the drivers and such, via EmbeddedC++ etc. However when I asked at the feedback forum if this stuff would be making it's way into FreebSD they said it would. Is this true? Are the FreeBSD folks doing back ports of the Kernel Extensions system and EC++? Or were they referring to the changes to the stack itself? Is anyone reading this up on these changes? Maury To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 3 14:14:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.physics.montana.edu (peloton.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B68E14E1F for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:14:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA05299 for <freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org>; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:12:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:12:42 -0600 (MDT) From: Brett Taylor <brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: June issue of Daemon News out Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.9906031512010.4259-100000@peloton.physics.montana.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi I just wanted to let people know that the June issue of Daemon News is out. http://www.daemonnews.org Brett *********************************************************** Brett Taylor brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu * brett@daemonnews.org * * http://www.daemonnews.org/ * *********************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 3 14:33:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hostigos.otherwhen.com (mavery-gw.pernet.net [205.229.2.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1008615A0D for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:33:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mavery@mail.otherwhen.com) Received: from mail.otherwhen.com (mail.2.229.205.in-addr.arpa [205.229.2.19] (may be forged)) by hostigos.otherwhen.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA02039 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:34:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199906032134.QAA02039@hostigos.otherwhen.com> Received: from PORKY/SpoolDir by mail.otherwhen.com (Mercury 1.44); 3 Jun 99 16:33:42 -0600 Received: from SpoolDir by PORKY (Mercury 1.44); 3 Jun 99 16:33:11 -0600 From: "Mike Avery" <mavery@mail.otherwhen.com> To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:33:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: First interview hits the web.. Reply-To: mavery@mail.otherwhen.com References: Your message of "Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:41:48 CDT." <19990602104148.H34732@holly.dyndns.org> In-reply-to: <10806.928407053@peewee> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.10) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 3 Jun 99, at 3:50, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > Differences in name syntax in Japan. They're never sure if I'm Mr > Jordan or Mr Hubbard. :) Don't know about Japan, but my Chineese friends put family name first, followed by the personal name. So, in China, I'd be Avery Mike. Jordan would be Hubbard Jordan. Kinda like big and little endian... Now then..... if you are unaware of the difference in naming customs, you're fairly happy with the state of the world. Once you know, confusion sets in. When someone from the other part of the world introduces him or herself, are THEY aware of the difference in syntax? If so, are they giving you their name in their syntax or yours? And how do you politely ask what they have done? A journalist shouldn't have any problems.... they aren't known for being nice to start with, and have professional reasons to get the names right. Mike ====================================================================== Mike Avery MAvery@mail.otherwhen.com (409)-842-2942 (work) ICQ: 16241692 * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day: If you don't make dust, you eat dust. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 3 15:27:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F7614E1A for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:27:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id IAA07602; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:27:18 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990604082714.42339@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 08:27:14 +1000 From: Sue Blake <sue@welearn.com.au> To: W Gerald Hicks <wghicks@bellsouth.net> Cc: Robert Withrow <witr@rwwa.com>, mike@smith.net.au, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Kernel config script References: <199906011112.HAA01994@spooky.rwwa.com> <199906030419.AAA00679@bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199906030419.AAA00679@bellsouth.net>; from W Gerald Hicks on Thu, Jun 03, 1999 at 12:19:59AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jun 03, 1999 at 12:19:59AM -0400, W Gerald Hicks wrote: > [to advocacy] > > Rober Withrow <witr@rwwa.com> said: > : > : mike@smith.net.au said: > : :- there are certain classes of users that it's in our interests _not_ > : :- to attract. > : > : So, Mike, when will you be issuing the official FreeBSD Qualification Test > : (FQT), and issuing a License to Use FreeBSD (LUF)? > : > : Sheesh! :-( > > The sarcasm wasn't really helpful was it? Actually, some certification > program may be useful to help advance FreeBSD. I'm jumping in without the full thread here, but this has been available for comment for a while now: http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/slow/ready.html Food for thought when considering what knowledge skills and experience *you* would like new users to have, and what would be the consequences of stating them. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 3 16: 2:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A908914EB3 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:02:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dpilgrim@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 1291 invoked by alias); 3 Jun 1999 23:02:50 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 1256 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 1999 23:02:49 -0000 Received: from cdsl126.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (209.180.170.126) by ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 3 Jun 1999 23:02:49 -0000 Message-ID: <37570996.CD818161@uswest.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 16:02:46 -0700 From: <dpilgrim@uswest.net> Organization: Neatly stacked heaps of digital chaos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> Cc: Chris Coleman <chrisc@vmunix.com>, nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Certification References: <199906020008.RAA04552@usr09.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: >> My wife would like to take a stab at drawing a "FreeBSD compatible >> software" icon. Everyone has mentioned that they like the "classic" >> daemon best; are there any other suggestions or stipulations? > > NOT the daemon, in bed, with rumpled sheets, and one arm behind his > head, smoking a cigarette... Why not? I mean, that would imply pretty damned good compatibility, don't you think? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 3 17:58:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp (nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp [131.112.148.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0927B14C84 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 17:58:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp) Received: from localhost (neon.enveng.titech.ac.jp [131.112.148.211]) by nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA09601; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 09:52:40 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp) To: mavery@mail.otherwhen.com Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: First interview hits the web.. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:33:08 -0500" <199906032134.QAA02039@hostigos.otherwhen.com> References: <199906032134.QAA02039@hostigos.otherwhen.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990604095830X.masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 09:58:30 +0900 From: UEBAYASHI Masao <masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp> X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 56 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Don't know about Japan, but my Chineese friends put family name > first, followed by the personal name. We, Japanese ordinarily say family name first, whenever using Japanese or in Japan. Here, being in Japan means speaking Japanese. Our Japan island is whole Japan. Here is little foreigners or those who speak not in Japanese. Thus, we are isolated. :D However, when using English (or other languages which used in different cultures) the situation goes *very chaotic*. If be obedient to other cultures, we have to say personal name fitst, differing from our original naming custom. Otherwise, we can put family name first naturally. The style of putting family name first *in English* is rather ususal *in the Internet*. Like this, ``OBUSHI Keizo'' ``NOMO Hideo'' ``ASAMI Satoshi'' (actually ASAMI san doesn't use this) or ``UEBAYASHI Masao''. Those who choose this style seem to me arguing their own culture. Especially, when we are in Japan, why we should be subject to other cultures, if using other languages? :D I use this ``FAMILY Person'' style. I personally think the common word in the internet is English, but there is no country or border. So I write my name in English (ASCII), trying to be nearer to our original custom. Really unfortunately, there are many fashions how to write Japanese names in English in the Internet. And Which to choose is depending on who say / write it. We can empilically recognize which is family name or vice versa. You may be able to identify family name, written in ``FAMILY Person'' style. Otherwise you may not. If so, ignore it! Anyway, I'm very sorry for all of you confusing Japanese naming scheme... > When someone from the other part of the world introduces him or > herself, are THEY aware of the difference in syntax? If so, are > they giving you their name in their syntax or yours? And how do you > politely ask what they have done? A journalist shouldn't have any > problems.... they aren't known for being nice to start with, and have > professional reasons to get the names right. We think it as usual that foreigners cannot speak in Japanese correctly. Japanese is too difficult to learn, even for us. :D UEBAYASHI Masao BTW, http://www.nikkei.co.jp/cyspecial/stories/ca961002_01.html picture changes? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 3 18:17:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from rina.naklab.dnj.ynu.ac.jp (rina.naklab.dnj.ynu.ac.jp [133.34.17.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEBBA15A21 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 18:17:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tanimura@naklab.dnj.ynu.ac.jp) Received: from rina.naklab.dnj.ynu.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rina.naklab.dnj.ynu.ac.jp (8.9.1a/3.7W-Naklab-2.1-19981120) with ESMTP id KAA33471; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:17:06 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199906040117.KAA33471@rina.naklab.dnj.ynu.ac.jp> To: masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Seigo Tanimura <tanimura@naklab.dnj.ynu.ac.jp> Subject: Re: First interview hits the web.. From: Seigo Tanimura <tanimura@naklab.dnj.ynu.ac.jp> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 04 Jun 1999 09:58:30 +0900" References: <19990604095830X.masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.70 on Emacs 19.34.1 / Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 10:17:06 +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 04 Jun 1999 09:58:30 +0900, UEBAYASHI Masao <masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp> said: masao> http://www.nikkei.co.jp/cyspecial/stories/ca961002_01.html masao> picture changes? What we need is a good light source, anybody got one? Seigo Tanimura <tanimura@naklab.dnj.ynu.ac.jp> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 3 18:30:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail0.atl.bellsouth.net (mail0.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E27B14E2B for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 18:30:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wghicks@bellsouth.net) Received: from wghicks.bellsouth.net (host-209-214-71-225.atl.bellsouth.net [209.214.71.225]) by mail0.atl.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17028; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wghicks (wghicks@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wghicks.bellsouth.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA01532; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:32:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net) Message-Id: <199906040132.VAA01532@bellsouth.net> To: Sue Blake <sue@welearn.com.au> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Kernel config script In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 04 Jun 1999 08:27:14 +1000." <19990604082714.42339@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 21:32:24 -0400 From: W Gerald Hicks <wghicks@bellsouth.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The sarcasm wasn't really helpful was it? Actually, some certification > > program may be useful to help advance FreeBSD. > > I'm jumping in without the full thread here, but this has been > available for comment for a while now: > > http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/slow/ready.html Wow! That's really good work Sue. I suppose this evening I'll be reading through your pages again. Thanks, Jerry Hicks wghicks@bellsouth.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 3 22:12:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B291614FA1 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 22:12:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA58091; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 22:11:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: UEBAYASHI Masao <masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp> Cc: mavery@mail.otherwhen.com, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: First interview hits the web.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 04 Jun 1999 09:58:30 +0900." <19990604095830X.masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 22:11:55 -0700 Message-ID: <58087.928473115@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > BTW, > > http://www.nikkei.co.jp/cyspecial/stories/ca961002_01.html > > picture changes? Yes, the interviewer didn't have a working camera at the interview so I loaned him mine. We finally got the pictures off of it and back to him, so he was able to replace the mug shot. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 4 1:56: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from octopus.originative (originat.demon.co.uk [158.152.220.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E912014E09 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.org>; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 01:55:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@originative.co.uk) Received: by octopus with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <L7N8THX0>; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 09:53:41 +0100 Message-ID: <A6D02246E1ABD2119F5200C0F0303D10FF83@octopus> From: paul@originative.co.uk To: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Slashdor running FreeBSD Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 09:53:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It looks like Slashdot it trying out FreeBSD for it's image server http://slashdot.org/articles/99/06/03/1858230.shtml Paul Richards To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 4 14:11:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86EC415B2D for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:10:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA18605; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:10:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd018579; Fri Jun 4 14:10:39 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA14877; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:10:37 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> Message-Id: <199906042110.OAA14877@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: First interview hits the web.. To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com (Jordan Hubbard) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:10:36 +0000 (GMT) Cc: chris@calldei.com, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <10806.928407053@peewee> from "Jordan Hubbard" at Jun 3, 99 03:50:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Differences in name syntax in Japan. They're never sure if I'm Mr > Jordan or Mr Hubbard. :) > > - Jordan You need to upcase your last name to indicate that it's your family name. You will frequently see this in most Japanese email addresses that haven't been Americanized, e.g.: Jordan HUBBARD or: HUBBARD Jordan It's also very common to have your business cards printed as double sided, one side in English, the other in Japanese. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 4 14:30:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD2F14CBB for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:30:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28293; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:30:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd028226; Fri Jun 4 14:30:05 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15823; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 14:30:03 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert <tlambert@primenet.com> Message-Id: <199906042130.OAA15823@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: First interview hits the web.. To: masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp (UEBAYASHI Masao) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:30:02 +0000 (GMT) Cc: mavery@mail.otherwhen.com, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19990604095830X.masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp> from "UEBAYASHI Masao" at Jun 4, 99 09:58:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > We think it as usual that foreigners cannot speak in Japanese > correctly. Japanese is too difficult to learn, even for us. :D Formal written Japanese is hard (Kanji); kana less so. Japanese is not as hard as Russian, German, or Greek (IMO). Written Japanese has somewhat in excess of 30,000 Kanji characters. A Japanese University PhD is lucky to know 10,000-12,000 of these after achieving their degree. The average newspaper tends to have 300-1200 different Kanji, depending on the target market. I think the biggest barrier to an English speaker attempting to learn Japanese is the lack of English text written in Japanese word order. After discovering that Japanese was SOV instead of SVO (Subject Object Verb), the pace really picked up rather quickly. The SOV order of Japanese should be the first thing anyone is told about the language in a Japanese class, IMO. Someone needs to write a bunch of English text in SOV order so that words don't need to be transliterated for the Japanese equivalent. This would definitely accelerate anyone trying to learn Japanese. The best resource I found for English with Japanese, both in Japanese word order, is "Mangaijin" (A pun on "Magazine" and "Gaijin": foreigner), which has things like "Dilbert", "The Far Side", and "Calvin and Hobbes" translated into Japanese. Unfortunately, it's no longer being published, after less than 100 issues. 8-(. The next best source (IMO) is "Let's Learn Japanese!", which is an NHK production of video tapes and workbooks. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 4 19:21:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pike.cdrom.com (pike.cdrom.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5814A14F29 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 19:21:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bill@pike.cdrom.com) Received: (from bill@localhost) by pike.cdrom.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id TAA12550 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 19:20:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 19:20:17 -0700 From: Bill Swingle <bill@cdrom.com> To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSDCon '99 Message-ID: <19990604192016.A12495@cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i Organization: Walnut Creek CDROM Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello all, I just put the finishing touches on the FreeBSDCon '99 website and have made it public. I wanted the lot of you to take a look at the site and see if you can find any gross errors or things that otherwise make us look silly. There will be more content added as it becomes available but the basics of the site are in place. Take a look and let me know what you think. http://www.freebsdcon.org/ -Bill -- -=| Bill Swingle - unfurl@dub.net - unfurl@freebsd.org - bill@cdrom.com -=| "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers" Pablo Picasso To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 4 20:26:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hamhae.wdb.co.kr (hamhae.wdb.co.kr [210.92.121.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D608B14D18 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 20:26:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjh@hamhae.wdb.co.kr) Received: (from cjh@localhost) by hamhae.wdb.co.kr (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA66835; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 12:25:58 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from cjh) To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Pictures of 1st Korea Linux Conference & Expo From: "CHOI, Junho" <cjh@wdb.co.kr> Date: 05 Jun 1999 12:25:56 +0900 Message-ID: <86vhd3jpkr.fsf@hamhae.wdb.co.kr> Lines: 25 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello all, Though a month later, I put a short report of FreeBSD booth in Korea Linux Conference & Expo on website. http://www.kr.freebsd.org/news/linuxexpotrip/ Sorry for writing Korean. If you can't read it, just have fun with pictures. I don't have enough time to translate it. To summarize it, it is successful. I and volunteers gave about 550 FreeBSD 3.1 CD, and we are selling remaing CDs now in KFUG(Korea FreeBSD Users Group) website. It is very cheap(about $4). Not many people know about FreeBSD but it is a very good chance to promote it. Many people asked 'what is FreeBSD' or 'what is a strong point of FreeBSD comparing with Linux'. We are happy to answer it :) Regards, -- ** Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my employers ** CHOI, Junho <mailto:cjh@kr.freebsd.org> - Korea FreeBSD Users Group <http://www.kr.freebsd.org/~cjh> - Web Data Bank Co. Seoul., ROK. <http://www.wdb.co.kr> (+82-2-515-9941) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 4 21:22:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A7514CE1 for <advocacy@freebsd.org>; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:22:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (207-172-143-253.s62.as3.hgt.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.143.253]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA29188; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 00:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906050422.AAA29188@smtp1.erols.com> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19990604192016.A12495@cdrom.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 00:22:24 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin <jobaldwi@vt.edu> To: Bill Swingle <bill@cdrom.com> Subject: RE: FreeBSDCon '99 Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 05-Jun-99 Bill Swingle wrote: > Hello all, > > I just put the finishing touches on the FreeBSDCon '99 website and have > made it public. I wanted the lot of you to take a look at the site and > see if you can find any gross errors or things that otherwise make us > look silly. There will be more content added as it becomes available but > the basics of the site are in place. Take a look and let me know what > you think. > > http://www.freebsdcon.org/ > > -Bill Looks great... although I'm not sure Jordan is the President/CEO of FreeBSD anymore. If not you might want to fix that bit on the Keynote Speaker page. 'Tis a bit expensive for a college student stuck on the east coast, so I'll probably have to sit this one out, but I'll get there eventually. :) --- John Baldwin <jobaldwi@vt.edu> -- http://members.freedomnet.com/~jbaldwin/ PGP Key: http://members.freedomnet.com/~jbaldwin/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 4 21:55:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (unknown [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E4F14F88 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:55:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.224]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA24897; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 22:55:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <3758ADBF.C695D283@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 22:55:27 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Swingle <bill@cdrom.com> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSDCon '99 References: <19990604192016.A12495@cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bill Swingle wrote: > > Hello all, > > I just put the finishing touches on the FreeBSDCon '99 website and have > made it public. I wanted the lot of you to take a look at the site and > see if you can find any gross errors or things that otherwise make us > look silly. There will be more content added as it becomes available but > the basics of the site are in place. Take a look and let me know what > you think. > > http://www.freebsdcon.org/ Cool as snot! I'll be there. Two points: 1 - In Jordan's mini-bio, Cessna should be capitalized. Are you sure you want to point out the government of this country is silly enough to allow Irish compu-terrorist to fly our friendly skies? ;^) 2 - How do I reserve a slip in the Marina? It's gotta be cheaper than staying IN the Radisson, and I might as well get in some good sailing while I'm there. Do you think my wife will mind me borrowing her Land Cruiser for a week? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 4 22: 9:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D8614F4A for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 22:09:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00992; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 22:11:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: John Baldwin <jobaldwi@vt.edu> Cc: Bill Swingle <bill@cdrom.com>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSDCon '99 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 05 Jun 1999 00:22:24 EDT." <199906050422.AAA29188@smtp1.erols.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 22:11:16 -0700 Message-ID: <988.928559476@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Looks great... although I'm not sure Jordan is the President/CEO of FreeBSD > anymore. If not you might want to fix that bit on the Keynote Speaker page. Yeah, it should say of "FreeBSD, Inc." since everyone knows that the FreeBSD project itself has no leadership. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 4 22:19:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-3.enteract.com (pop3-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 06B8B14F4A for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 22:19:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bitsurfr@enteract.com) Received: (qmail 71642 invoked from network); 5 Jun 1999 05:19:50 -0000 Received: from 207-229-142-102.d.enteract.com (HELO wildrock) (207.229.142.102) by pop3-3.enteract.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 1999 05:19:50 -0000 From: "Chris Silva" <bitsurfr@enteract.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>, "John Baldwin" <jobaldwi@vt.edu> Cc: "Bill Swingle" <bill@cdrom.com>, <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: RE: FreeBSDCon '99 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 00:19:53 -0500 Message-ID: <001401beaf13$0afe7400$0a00000a@wildrock.enteract.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <988.928559476@zippy.cdrom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is great - Even if Im on my death bed, I plan on being there... It's about time something like this happens... Kudos.... > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jordan K. > Hubbard > Sent: Saturday, June 05, 1999 12:11 AM > To: John Baldwin > Cc: Bill Swingle; advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: FreeBSDCon '99 > > > > Looks great... although I'm not sure Jordan is the > President/CEO of FreeBSD > > anymore. If not you might want to fix that bit on the Keynote > Speaker page. > > Yeah, it should say of "FreeBSD, Inc." since everyone knows that the > FreeBSD project itself has no leadership. :-) > > - Jordan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jun 5 1:11: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from toxic.magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [204.188.6.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E91DC14DB1 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:11:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unfurl@toxic.magnesium.net) Received: (qmail 56354 invoked by uid 1001); 5 Jun 1999 08:11:01 -0000 Date: 5 Jun 1999 01:11:01 -0700 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:11:01 -0700 From: Bill Swingle <unfurl@dub.net> To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSDCon '99 Message-ID: <19990605011101.D56248@dub.net> References: <199906050422.AAA29188@smtp1.erols.com> <988.928559476@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <988.928559476@zippy.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 10:11:16PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 10:11:16PM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Looks great... although I'm not sure Jordan is the President/CEO of FreeBSD > > anymore. If not you might want to fix that bit on the Keynote Speaker page. > > Yeah, it should say of "FreeBSD, Inc." since everyone knows that the > FreeBSD project itself has no leadership. :-) Eh that *is* what is says. :) -Bill -- -=| Bill Swingle - unfurl@dub.net - unfurl@freebsd.org - bill@cdrom.com -=| "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers" Pablo Picasso To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jun 5 1:57:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB7E15027 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:57:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01688; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 01:58:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Bill Swingle <unfurl@dub.net> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSDCon '99 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 05 Jun 1999 01:11:01 PDT." <19990605011101.D56248@dub.net> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 01:58:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1685.928573128@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Yeah, it should say of "FreeBSD, Inc." since everyone knows that the > > FreeBSD project itself has no leadership. :-) > > Eh that *is* what is says. :) Yeah, I just notice that too. Smack the guy who originally pointed that out and get the crack pipe outta his mouth. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jun 5 4:27:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F5014C88 for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 04:27:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (207-172-143-253.s62.as3.hgt.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.143.253]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id HAA18126; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 07:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906051127.HAA18126@smtp4.erols.com> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1685.928573128@zippy.cdrom.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 07:27:04 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin <jobaldwi@vt.edu> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSDCon '99 Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Bill Swingle <unfurl@dub.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 05-Jun-99 Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: >> > Yeah, it should say of "FreeBSD, Inc." since everyone knows that the >> > FreeBSD project itself has no leadership. :-) >> >> Eh that *is* what is says. :) > > Yeah, I just notice that too. Smack the guy who originally pointed > that out and get the crack pipe outta his mouth. :-) > > - Jordan Oops.. FWIW, I did say "I'm not sure...", Oh, well.. Guess I need to get my eyes checked again. :) --- John Baldwin <jobaldwi@vt.edu> -- http://members.freedomnet.com/~jbaldwin/ PGP Key: http://members.freedomnet.com/~jbaldwin/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jun 5 21:44:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (unknown [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD1414D0A; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 21:44:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.224]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA28267; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 22:44:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <3759FCC2.D2666FFE@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 22:44:50 -0600 From: Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: me@freebsd.org Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Security Ceritfication for individuals References: <19990605224422.A70789@consol.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Michael Elbel wrote: > > In lists.freebsd.advocacy you write: > > >Wes Peters wrote: > [...] > >> http://www.tekmetrics.com/ (duh!) > [...] > > >If possible, I'd like for several of the -advocates to surf over there, > >look at the trial tests, and perhaps take the UNIX programmer or UNIX > >system administrator test as their free test, to get a feeling if this > >is something we'd like to pursue. > > >Of course, if I don't manage to score in the Master UNIX programmer > >range, their test is OBVIOUSLY flawed. ;^) > > I'd be astonished if You'd not. I managed to get a Master UNIX admin - > score 4.55 at half past eleven in the evening after 3 beers (german ones, > mind you :) My partner Jody took it this afternoon and scored 4.60 with his 3-year old twins running around his office. I scored 4.21 on the UNIX programmer test, even with one of the questions timing out while I was reading a man page. ;^) Not bad, considering I haven't done any termios programming in over 10 years. > I haven't tried the programmer test yet, but after looking at the admin > one, I'd say the sysem is ok but not top notch. A couple of the questions > weren't unambiguous, especially in the security area. I hate those "pick the best answer" questions, the scoring is so arbitrary. The test struck me as being quite good for a 40-question test, but I'd rather see more coverage of network I/O and less on terminal-related topics. I'm going to take a few more, including UNIX sysadmin, while they're still free. I would like to encourage a few more of the advocates to do so also, so we can get an idea of whether we want to pursue this as an avenue for advocacy or not. I'm certain they would be open to creating FreeBSD-specific versions of several of their exams, if we think it is worth putting our name on. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jun 6 2:50: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from cs1.cityscope.net (cs1.cityscope.net [206.222.183.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527CF14CCA for <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 02:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ingrid@cityscope.net) Received: from cityscope.net (194.cityscope.net [209.16.49.194]) by cs1.cityscope.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id EAA23616; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 04:49:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <375A4407.75F320D5@cityscope.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 04:48:55 -0500 From: Ingrid Kast Fuller <ingrid@cityscope.net> Reply-To: ingrid@cityscope.net Organization: CityScope Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Swingle <bill@cdrom.com> Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSDCon '99 References: <19990604192016.A12495@cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bill, Only thing I see right now is that the price of a convention for people used to getting their software FREE, is a bit high. The hotel is high, the booths are high, the tables are high, . My personal opinion is make it reasonable for ANYONE to attend with an interest in FreeBSD. You'll get more people and exposure. Isn't that what we want guys? If I was an employee of a firm who was sending me to the conference and the firm was paying for it.....hey no problem. But, most of us are self-employed and trying to make a profit. I would love to go with my tech who I'm training, but for just one of us to go is out of our reach. This conference doesn't have a track record yet, on how many people will be there, etc.. right? This would help me figure out if it would be worth my effort to have a booth or table there. Bill Swingle wrote: > Hello all, > > I just put the finishing touches on the FreeBSDCon '99 website and have > made it public. I wanted the lot of you to take a look at the site and > see if you can find any gross errors or things that otherwise make us > look silly. *************************************************************** Ingrid Kast Fuller Email: ingrid@cityscope.net CityScope Computer Services Since 1984 CityScope Net Web: http://www.cityscope.net 109 West Southmore Pasadena, TX 77502-1001 1 (713)477-6161 *************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message