From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Aug 22 10:51:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D7901555E for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 10:51:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from your-name (freyes.static.inch.com [207.240.212.43]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/UTIL-INCH-2.0.0) with SMTP id NAA22196; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908221749.NAA22196@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Preston S. Wiley II" Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:50:24 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Look at a new advocacy site. Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:02:40 -0700 (PDT), Preston S. Wiley II wrote: >I would like any suggestion >URL of main site: http://freebsd.tesserae.com How about if you had news/articles in the main page instead of having to dig down in a submenu. A la Slashdot. You could have the recent articles/news there and then the rest in their links. >URL of admin stuff: http://freebsd.tesserae.com/admin How about a link from the main page to this page. Who will you give access to add/change? will you let people contribue and then you and a team of volunteers will aprove? Will there be a "change Big User"? for instance you should add to walnut creek "Most active public FTP site on the internet" or something simmilar. How about banners for new sites running FreeBSD. Sure the "pairs" and Yahoos of the world can pay or may not even need advertising, but it would be nice if we could have a "FreeBSD site of the week" or simmilar. Mostly for up and coming sites been run on FreeBSD. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Aug 23 11:26: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9B11573A; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:25:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id LAA13770; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id LAA17703; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:15:53 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id MAA26693; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:22:57 -0600 Message-ID: <37C19181.9046615A@softweyr.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:22:57 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: E Kovarski , Alex Nash , freebsd-security@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: VPN for FreeBSD 2.2.8 and 3.2 References: <19990822231452.A18458@amber.org> <199908230336.NAA21519@cheops.anu.edu.au> <19990822234351.D18458@amber.org> <37C0DB86.838CF89E@softweyr.com> <87k8qnauj4.fsf@nyctereutes.digitalized.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG E Kovarski wrote: > Wes Peters writes: > > Christopher Petrilli wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 01:36:16PM +1000, Darren Reed wrote: > > > > > > > > Bah, so FreeBSD will be InSecureBSD ? Well, so long as the ITAR bear > > > > stands around making grizzly noises at people, it seems. > > > > > > Is this flamebait really necessary? FreeBSD is hardly insecure, and for > > > 99.999999% of the situations, set up by a knowledgable administrator, is > > > every bit as secure as OpenBSD, or anything else. > > > > Apparently Darren didn't read the blurbs about the Linux Death Match > > at the recent Chaos Computer Club campout in Germany. It was won by > > a FreeBSD box with NO offensive effort, only defense. > > > > InSecureBSD my ass. > > Would you happen to have a link to the mentioned "Linux Death Match?" Several others have asked for this as well, so here's the first mention of it: http://www.computerworld.com/home/news.nsf/all/9908102chaos The Chaos Computer Club has a page of links to mentions of their Camp in the press at: https://www.ccc.de/camp/pressreviews.html For your reading enjoyment. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Aug 23 11:40:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D4D14F35; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:40:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA70283; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:40:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA40683; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:40:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908231840.MAA40683@harmony.village.org> To: Wes Peters Subject: Re: VPN for FreeBSD 2.2.8 and 3.2 Cc: E Kovarski , Alex Nash , freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:22:57 MDT." <37C19181.9046615A@softweyr.com> References: <37C19181.9046615A@softweyr.com> <19990822231452.A18458@amber.org> <199908230336.NAA21519@cheops.anu.edu.au> <19990822234351.D18458@amber.org> <37C0DB86.838CF89E@softweyr.com> <87k8qnauj4.fsf@nyctereutes.digitalized.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:40:49 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <37C19181.9046615A@softweyr.com> Wes Peters writes: : Several others have asked for this as well, so here's the first : mention of it: : http://www.computerworld.com/home/news.nsf/all/9908102chaos Yes, but where's the claymation MPEG of the Linux Death Match :-) Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Aug 23 16: 8:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6351F1501A; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:08:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id QAA18670; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id PAA29248; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:59:56 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id RAA28823; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:07:06 -0600 Message-ID: <37C1D419.B844DCE@softweyr.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:07:05 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warner Losh Cc: E Kovarski , Alex Nash , freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VPN for FreeBSD 2.2.8 and 3.2 References: <37C19181.9046615A@softweyr.com> <19990822231452.A18458@amber.org> <199908230336.NAA21519@cheops.anu.edu.au> <19990822234351.D18458@amber.org> <37C0DB86.838CF89E@softweyr.com> <87k8qnauj4.fsf@nyctereutes.digitalized.com> <199908231840.MAA40683@harmony.village.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Warner Losh wrote: > > In message <37C19181.9046615A@softweyr.com> Wes Peters writes: > : Several others have asked for this as well, so here's the first > : mention of it: > : http://www.computerworld.com/home/news.nsf/all/9908102chaos > > Yes, but where's the claymation MPEG of the Linux Death Match :-) Where is Nick Park when you need him? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Aug 24 5: 3: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz40.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.197.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBBC150F0 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 05:02:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from un1i@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) Received: from rz114s1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (exim@rz114s1-197.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.197.190]) by mailgate.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #2) id 11JFHe-00067j-00; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:02:34 +0200 Received: from un1i by rz114s1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11JFHc-0005Ab-00; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:02:32 +0200 To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: wes@softweyr.com Subject: Re: VPN for FreeBSD 2.2.8 and 3.2 X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-security In-Reply-To: <37C19181.9046615A@softweyr.com> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990624 ("Dawnrazor") (UNIX) (HP-UX/B.10.20 (9000/829)) Message-Id: From: Philipp Mergenthaler Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:02:32 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Wes Peters wrote: > Apparently Darren didn't read the blurbs about the Linux Death Match > at the recent Chaos Computer Club campout in Germany. It was won by > a FreeBSD box with NO offensive effort, only defense. Actually it was a Debian 2.1 box. That team had more experience with FreeBSD (and considered briefly to replace the Linux with that) and installed some programs off of a FreeBSD CD. Somehow this got blown up in the news... See e.g. (in German): http://www.de.freebsd.org/de/archive/de-bsd-chat.99/0176.html news:///<7p9r88$6bt$1@gamma.ray.org> Both are accounts of participants of that team. A rough translation of the former mail: "... That doesn't exactly fit the truth, but it's good press :-). The others "stole" our net access with a tcp/udp connection resetter. So I asked someone to fetch my FreeBSD 3.2 CDs, since they have the unmodified sources in distfiles/. That wouldn't have been possible with Redhat-CDs :-)" Bye, Philipp -- http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~un1i/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Aug 24 9:29:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC984152AB for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:27:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from [204.68.178.39] (helo=softweyr.com) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11JIUo-000677-00; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:28:22 -0600 Message-ID: <37C2BA15.AE32C1EE@softweyr.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:28:21 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philipp Mergenthaler Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VPN for FreeBSD 2.2.8 and 3.2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Philipp Mergenthaler wrote: > > Hi, > > Wes Peters wrote: > > Apparently Darren didn't read the blurbs about the Linux Death Match > > at the recent Chaos Computer Club campout in Germany. It was won by > > a FreeBSD box with NO offensive effort, only defense. > > Actually it was a Debian 2.1 box. That team had more experience with > FreeBSD (and considered briefly to replace the Linux with that) and > installed some programs off of a FreeBSD CD. Somehow this got blown > up in the news... > > See e.g. (in German): > http://www.de.freebsd.org/de/archive/de-bsd-chat.99/0176.html > news:///<7p9r88$6bt$1@gamma.ray.org> > > Both are accounts of participants of that team. > A rough translation of the former mail: > "... That doesn't exactly fit the truth, but it's good press :-). > The others "stole" our net access with a tcp/udp connection resetter. > So I asked someone to fetch my FreeBSD 3.2 CDs, since they have the > unmodified sources in distfiles/. That wouldn't have been possible > with Redhat-CDs :-)" Still not bad press, is it? ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Aug 24 19:13:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.tesserae.com (freebsd.tesserae.com [209.19.206.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F91F152BF for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:13:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pwiley@freebsd.tesserae.com) Received: from localhost (pwiley@localhost) by freebsd.tesserae.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA46852 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:11:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pwiley@freebsd.tesserae.com) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:11:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Preston S. Wiley II" To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Big change to new advocacy site. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had some suggestions about the new advocacy site I've been putting together. One of them was to give it a Slashdot type look with the recent news articles on the front page. So that's what I do and I think it makes the site look good. I'm not sure if the color scheme I picked was the best choice, but it look alright. I also added Change scripts for every category and password protection on the admin page. The URL again is: http://freebsd.tesserae.com For the Admin page it's: http://freebsd.tesserae.com/admin The username/password is: freebsd/advocacy Check it out and tell me what you think of the new look. Thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Preston Wiley Cadabra, Inc. Systems Administrator 1820 Gateway Drive, Suite 300 pwiley@cadabra.com San Mateo, CA 94404 650/403-2227 http://www.cadabra.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Aug 24 22:14:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDDA8159FC for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:14:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id WAA07315; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:14:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id WAA27209; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:06:41 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id XAA10608; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:14:00 -0600 Message-ID: <37C37B97.463B33E8@softweyr.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:13:59 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Preston S. Wiley II" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Big change to new advocacy site. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Preston S. Wiley II" wrote: > > I had some suggestions about the new advocacy site I've been putting > together. One of them was to give it a Slashdot type look with the recent > news articles on the front page. So that's what I do and I think it makes > the site look good. I'm not sure if the color scheme I picked was the best > choice, but it look alright. I also added Change scripts for every > category and password protection on the admin page. > > The URL again is: http://freebsd.tesserae.com > > For the Admin page it's: http://freebsd.tesserae.com/admin > > The username/password is: freebsd/advocacy > > Check it out and tell me what you think of the new look. I like it. I'm not that fond of the yellow/red color scheme, but it matches the FreeBSD.org web site, and the articles stand out nicely. Rob has created "the standard layout" for web news sites. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Aug 24 23:25:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from staff.cs.usyd.edu.au (staff.cs.usyd.edu.au [129.78.8.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A893158C2 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:25:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mhenry@black.ug.cs.usyd.edu.au) Subject: Re: Big change to new advocacy site. To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:24:18 +1000 (EST) From: "Michael Kenneth Henry" In-Reply-To: from "Preston S. Wiley II" at Aug 24, 99 07:11:15 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1755 Message-Id: <19990825062537.0A893158C2@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I like it a lot! Now all we need is a survey :) How about: +----------------+ |How often do you| |"make world"? | | | | * Every week | | * Every month | | * 2 - 3 Months | | * More than 3 | | Months | | * JarJar Sux! | +----------------+ The comparisons are good. Have you seen the Linux equivalent? http://www.linuxrx.com/WS_Linux/OS_comparison.html Unfortunately the FreeBSD info is out-of-date. When this site is considered ready for public consumption, perhaps you could announce it on SlashDot? > > I had some suggestions about the new advocacy site I've been putting > together. One of them was to give it a Slashdot type look with the recent > news articles on the front page. So that's what I do and I think it makes > the site look good. I'm not sure if the color scheme I picked was the best > choice, but it look alright. I also added Change scripts for every > category and password protection on the admin page. > > The URL again is: http://freebsd.tesserae.com > > For the Admin page it's: http://freebsd.tesserae.com/admin > > The username/password is: freebsd/advocacy > > Check it out and tell me what you think of the new look. > > Thanks. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Preston Wiley Cadabra, Inc. > Systems Administrator 1820 Gateway Drive, Suite 300 > pwiley@cadabra.com San Mateo, CA 94404 > 650/403-2227 http://www.cadabra.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Aug 24 23:58:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E157314E52 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:58:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from [204.68.178.39] (helo=softweyr.com) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11JWzn-0001ly-00; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:57:19 -0600 Message-ID: <37C393CD.D7D71013@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:57:17 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Kenneth Henry Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Big change to new advocacy site. References: <19990825062537.0A893158C2@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Michael Kenneth Henry wrote: > > I like it a lot! Now all we need is a survey :) > > How about: > > +----------------+ > |How often do you| > |"make world"? | > | | | * Nightly from | ;^) | cron | > | * Every week | > | * Every month | > | * 2 - 3 Months | > | * More than 3 | > | Months | > | * JarJar Sux! | > +----------------+ Personally, I'd rather see surveys of where FreeBSD users live, what numbers and kinds of system they have, etc. > The comparisons are good. Have you seen the Linux equivalent? > > http://www.linuxrx.com/WS_Linux/OS_comparison.html > > Unfortunately the FreeBSD info is out-of-date. Did you update it? Will they accept changes? > When this site is considered ready for public consumption, > perhaps you could announce it on SlashDot? Perhaps? Just mention that it compares the beloved Linux to FreeBSD and prepare to get slashdotted. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Aug 25 0: 1:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from charleston.softhome.net (charleston.SoftHome.net [204.144.231.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4CB86150A7 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:01:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bradley@softhome.net) Received: (qmail 8374 invoked by uid 417); 25 Aug 1999 07:24:43 -0000 Received: from max2-ppp-10.cyberix.com (HELO BillyJoeBob) (207.8.199.74) by smtp.softhome.net with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 07:24:43 -0000 From: "Brad Benson" To: , "Andre Shimakawa" Subject: RE: Printer shares.... Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:54:22 -0400 Message-ID: <000301beef2b$3ed485a0$0a00a8c0@BillyJoeBob.animalserver.dhs.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001301bee8ee$9e9b7040$8ebff1c8@cba.zaz.com.br> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I do it all the time. Check out Samba in the ports. After installing Samba check the examples that come with it. There is a sample printer script that uses the smbclient program to send print jobs to Windows machines. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Andre Shimakawa > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 4:25 PM > To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Subject: Printer shares.... > > > Sorry about my english :) > > Can I print from FreeBSD to a Windows shared printer? > I want to replace Linux for FreeBSD in my work, but I need to > know how to do > this... > > Is there any doc about this? > > Thanks alot! > Andre Shimakawa > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Aug 25 0:53: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.tesserae.com (freebsd.tesserae.com [209.19.206.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75EDB15232 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:52:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pwiley@freebsd.tesserae.com) Received: from localhost (pwiley@localhost) by freebsd.tesserae.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA47736; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:51:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pwiley@freebsd.tesserae.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:51:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Preston S. Wiley II" To: Wes Peters Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Michael Kenneth Henry Subject: Re: Big change to new advocacy site. In-Reply-To: <37C393CD.D7D71013@softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > I like it a lot! Now all we need is a survey :) > > > > How about: > > > > +----------------+ > > |How often do you| > > |"make world"? | > > | | > | * Nightly from | ;^) > | cron | > > | * Every week | > > | * Every month | > > | * 2 - 3 Months | > > | * More than 3 | > > | Months | > > | * JarJar Sux! | > > +----------------+ > > Personally, I'd rather see surveys of where FreeBSD users live, what numbers and > kinds of system they have, etc. > Survey would be a good idea after some people actually come to the site and the site is ready for the public. > > The comparisons are good. Have you seen the Linux equivalent? > > > > http://www.linuxrx.com/WS_Linux/OS_comparison.html > > > > Unfortunately the FreeBSD info is out-of-date. > > Did you update it? Will they accept changes? If you log into the admin section. (http://freebsd.tesserae.com/admin) With the username: freebsd and password: advocacy You can add and change things that you would like to. > > When this site is considered ready for public consumption, > > perhaps you could announce it on SlashDot? > > Perhaps? Just mention that it compares the beloved Linux to FreeBSD and > prepare to get slashdotted. ;^) I'm not ready for that yet. :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Preston Wiley Cadabra, Inc. Systems Administrator 1820 Gateway Drive, Suite 300 pwiley@cadabra.com San Mateo, CA 94404 650/403-2227 http://www.cadabra.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Aug 25 10:34:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.runet.edu (peloton.runet.edu [137.45.96.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299501537C for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:34:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.runet.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02831; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:31:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:31:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Brett Taylor To: "Preston S. Wiley II" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Big change to new advocacy site. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Preston S. Wiley II wrote: > I had some suggestions about the new advocacy site I've been putting > together. One of them was to give it a Slashdot type look with the > recent news articles on the front page. So that's what I do and I > think it makes the site look good. I'm not sure if the color scheme I > picked was the best choice, but it look alright. I also added Change > scripts for every category and password protection on the admin page. I think it looks great - matches the FreeBSD web page which is good. Nice work! I haven't looked at the admin page yet, but will do so later. Again, congratulations on a job well done. Brett ***************************************************** Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * Dept of Chem and Physics * Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Aug 25 14:33:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.tesserae.com (freebsd.tesserae.com [209.19.206.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA5914DA0 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:33:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pwiley@freebsd.tesserae.com) Received: from localhost (pwiley@localhost) by freebsd.tesserae.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA50543 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:31:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pwiley@freebsd.tesserae.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:31:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Preston S. Wiley II" To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: More changes to new advocacy site. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Based on some suggestions for people, I added some big buttons on the top so that if someone comes to the site not knowing what FreeBSD is, they can easily find out. I'm not sure where the "What is FreeBSD?" and "Is FreeBSD for you?" buttons should go though. Right now, I have then both pointing to the main freebsd pages. If someone knows of a good place for this to point, tell me. I also fixed the admin pages so the username and password work, sorry about that. Main Page: http://freebsd.tesserae.com Admin Page: http://freensd.tesserae.com/admin U/P: freebsd/advocacy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Preston Wiley Cadabra, Inc. Systems Administrator 1820 Gateway Drive, Suite 300 pwiley@cadabra.com San Mateo, CA 94404 650/403-2227 http://www.cadabra.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Aug 25 14:46:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC0115185 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:46:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id OAA20042; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id OAA18224; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:37:41 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id PAA18026; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:45:08 -0600 Message-ID: <37C463E3.2181DD29@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:45:07 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Preston S. Wiley II" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More changes to new advocacy site. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Preston S. Wiley II" wrote: > > Based on some suggestions for people, I added some big buttons on the top > so that if someone comes to the site not knowing what FreeBSD is, they can > easily find out. I'm not sure where the "What is FreeBSD?" and "Is FreeBSD > for you?" buttons should go though. Right now, I have then both pointing > to the main freebsd pages. If someone knows of a good place for this to > point, tell me. I also fixed the admin pages so the username and password > work, sorry about that. You could make the "Is FreeBSD for you?" button point to Grog's Daemon's Advocate column for August 1999. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Aug 25 15:42:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D02615175 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:42:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA37480; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:40:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:40:42 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: "Preston S. Wiley II" Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: More changes to new advocacy site. Message-ID: <19990825234042.A36785@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Preston S. Wiley II on Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 02:31:38PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Preston, Three very quick comments; On Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 02:31:38PM -0700, Preston S. Wiley II wrote: > Based on some suggestions for people, I added some big buttons on the top > so that if someone comes to the site not knowing what FreeBSD is, they can > easily find out. Alt tags are needed here. Can you drop the "Read Article" link, and add it at the end of the description? So that ... Focusses on the BSD Development model and the ease of keeping up to date with tools like sup and CVSup Read Article becomes something more like ... Focusses on the BSD Development model and the ease of keeping up to date with tools like sup and CVSup. (more) or similar. Finally, the "Older news" page has odd formatting. Specifically, it wants to extend far past the right hand width of my browser. The main news page doesn't have this problem. Apart from that, it looks great. N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Aug 25 18:22:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428AE14DF6 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:22:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from win98 (freyes.static.inch.com [207.240.212.43]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/UTIL-INCH-2.0.0) with SMTP id VAA22501; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908260122.VAA22501@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Michael Kenneth Henry" , "Wes Peters" Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:22:51 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Big change to new advocacy site. Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:57:17 -0600, Wes Peters wrote: >> When this site is considered ready for public consumption, >> perhaps you could announce it on SlashDot? > >Perhaps? Just mention that it compares the beloved Linux to FreeBSD and >prepare to get slashdotted. ;^) But before we announce shouldn't we get it back to some easier to remember URL? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Aug 25 18:34:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from physalis.www.easynet.net (physalis.www.easynet.net [195.40.1.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E949E1534B for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:34:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from c.raven@ukonline.co.uk) Received: by physalis.www.easynet.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id C16481D727; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:33:28 +0100 (BST) To: freyes@inch.com From: c.raven@ukonline.co.uk Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Re: Big change to new advocacy site. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: EA-Fastmail 0.6 beta Message-Id: <19990826013328.C16481D727@physalis.www.easynet.net> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:33:28 +0100 (BST) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:22:51 -0400, "Francisco Reyes" wrote: > On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:57:17 -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > > >> When this site is considered ready for public consumption, > >> perhaps you could announce it on SlashDot? > > > >Perhaps? Just mention that it compares the beloved Linux to FreeBSD > and > >prepare to get slashdotted. ;^) > > > But before we announce shouldn't we get it back to some easier to > remember URL? > > How about Unixinfo.org ? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Aug 25 18:39:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8683814E5D for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:39:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from win98 (freyes.static.inch.com [207.240.212.43]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/UTIL-INCH-2.0.0) with SMTP id VAA23899; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908260137.VAA23899@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "c.raven@ukonline.co.uk" Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:38:08 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Re: Big change to new advocacy site. Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:33:28 +0100 (BST), c.raven@ukonline.co.uk wrote: >> But before we announce shouldn't we get it back to some easier to >> remember URL? >> > >How about Unixinfo.org ? I was hoping something more in the lines of getting the old name.. advocacy.freebsd.org Once we show the site is up and ready we can get someone at freebsd.org to point advocacy to the current site. How is the bandwith ad the current site? Will it be able to handle been Slashdoted? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Aug 25 20:31:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from neptune.psn.net (neptune.psn.net [207.211.58.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CDD914FC4 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:31:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@shadow.blackdawn.com) Received: from 5042-243.008.popsite.net ([209.224.140.243] helo=shadow.blackdawn.com) by neptune.psn.net with esmtp (PSN Internet Service 2.12 #3) id 11JqGA-0002L5-00; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:31:31 -0700 Received: (from will@localhost) by shadow.blackdawn.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id XAA91379; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:31:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from will) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: Will Andrews From: Will Andrews To: "Preston S. Wiley II" Subject: Suggestions for advocacy site Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was looking at your site the other day.. I thought you'd done a good job if implementing the original freebsd.org "look and feel". There was one thing I noticed - you don't have a link to hardware and software vendors on the freebsd.org site from your "Big-Name Users" site..: http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/commercial/software_bycat.html http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/commercial/hardware.html These pages have some advocacy swing since they list companies who use FreeBSD in their products. It's good for people who want a commercial solution based on FreeBSD, not just to look at a list of folks who use FreeBSD in their systems. Additionally, I thought having weekly (or something similar) polls would help gather info about FreeBSD users. Although it is true web-based polls are often wildly inaccurate, they still do provide a general idea of the FreeBSD community. Suggestions for polls would include: "About how many users do you support on FreeBSD servers?" "1, 5, 10, 50, 100, 500, 1000+, don't have a FreeBSD server" "How many FreeBSD machines do you have?" "1, 2, 3-5, 6-10, 11-50, 51-100, more than 100" "What would you most like to see implemented in FreeBSD -CURRENT?" (note: new features are implemented mostly in -CURRENT, I believe.) "x feature, y feature, z feature, other, it's good enough" "If you have a server, how many active admins are there?" (note: yes, this was grabbed from ports@ ;-) "1, 2-4, 5-10, more than 10, don't have a server" "Do you think FreeBSD's Ports Collection is better than ?" (yes, this is flamebait. ;-) "yes, no, don't have a clue what (ports,) is" "If you use FreeBSD, how much of the time on computers do you use it?" "0-10%, 11-30%, 31-60%, 61-80%, 81-90%, 91-100%" "Has your FreeBSD machine ever crashed outright (e.g., kernel panic)?" "yes, no, don't remember, don't have FreeBSD" Just a few I can name. I'm sure other folks will think of (possibly) interesting and (possibly) useful polls. Of course, maybe this site is not the appropriate location for polls. Perhaps freebsdrocks.com is more appropriate? -- Will Andrews To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Aug 26 10:30:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B43F615CA3 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:30:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (mothra.ecs.csus.edu [130.86.76.220]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06795; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37C57992.BC8B3D7B@owp.csus.edu> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:29:54 -0700 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Preston S. Wiley II" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More changes to new advocacy site. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've taken a quick look at this site, and I wanted to make a few points : 1. I think a couple of people have suggested mentioning this to slashdot already. I think it's still a little too early to spread word of this site. I don't know if there is time line for this project but I think it would be a good idea. Let's make sure the site gets a fair bit of input and features into it before "announcing" it to the world. I think that may have been part of the problem with the old advocacy.freebsd.org site. 2. What are the capabilities for the site to grow and expand? This would include things like how much load the machine can handle and bandwidth to people and long term issues. Do you have people who have offered to help at different levels ( like reviewing/auth'ing submissions, writing occasional articles, coding for the site )? 3. What are the objectives of the site, my impression was that we were aiming for something of mix between slashdot.org and linuxtoday.com, with some relation to linux.com. 4. User posting feedback seems to be an important feature, especially for something like slashdot. What is going to be done about it in regards to this site? 5. The possibility of a more generic name? "FreeBSD advocacy" is pretty straight to the point, but may define what we want to accomplish a little too tightly. These are just my thoughts and input, I thought I better speak up now :-) Also, please do not take this harshly, I simply wanted to point some things out, and I hope I've done that with out belittling the awesome effort that has already been put into this site. "Preston S. Wiley II" wrote: > > Based on some suggestions for people, I added some big buttons on the top > so that if someone comes to the site not knowing what FreeBSD is, they can > easily find out. I'm not sure where the "What is FreeBSD?" and "Is FreeBSD > for you?" buttons should go though. Right now, I have then both pointing > to the main freebsd pages. If someone knows of a good place for this to > point, tell me. I also fixed the admin pages so the username and password > work, sorry about that. > > Main Page: http://freebsd.tesserae.com > Admin Page: http://freensd.tesserae.com/admin U/P: freebsd/advocacy > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Preston Wiley Cadabra, Inc. > Systems Administrator 1820 Gateway Drive, Suite 300 > pwiley@cadabra.com San Mateo, CA 94404 > 650/403-2227 http://www.cadabra.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu CSU Sacramento - Office Of Water Programs To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Aug 26 17:53:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.tesserae.com (freebsd.tesserae.com [209.19.206.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5DAD15330 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:53:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pwiley@freebsd.tesserae.com) Received: from localhost (pwiley@localhost) by freebsd.tesserae.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA58251 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:51:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pwiley@freebsd.tesserae.com) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:51:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Preston S. Wiley II" To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Looks like somehow the advocacy site I've been working on has been put onto Yahoo!. It's in Computers_and_Internet --> Software --> Operating_Systems --> Unix --> BSD --> FreeBSD --> Advocacy. I'm not sure how it got there, but it is. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Preston Wiley Cadabra, Inc. Systems Administrator 1820 Gateway Drive, Suite 300 pwiley@cadabra.com San Mateo, CA 94404 650/403-2227 http://www.cadabra.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Aug 26 21: 2:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB8E715E00 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:02:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from win98 (freyes.static.inch.com [207.240.212.43]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/UTIL-INCH-2.0.0) with SMTP id AAA23203; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908270401.AAA23203@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Joseph Scott" Cc: "advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:01:34 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: More changes to new advocacy site. Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:29:54 -0700, Joseph Scott wrote: >slashdot already. I think it's still a little too early to spread word Agree. >2. What are the capabilities for the site to grow and expand? This is essential.. that the site can handle a reasonable amount of load. Idially it would be best to have it hosted at freebsd.org, but I am not sure how this could be worked out, specially since the new site is running with MySQL. This point has been brought up before. Using MySQL gives the site more power/flexibility, but makes it more difficult to port, and on this case, to get approval to run on someone elses computer (i.e. freebsd.org). >Do you have people who have >offered to help at different levels ( like reviewing/auth'ing This is one of the reasons why SlashDot has suceeded. There is a team of people approving/trashing news. We need something simmilar up/front. Possibly a couple of categories: -Approvers. People who can approve articles/notes entered in the system. -Coders. People to enhance functionality. I don't think too much writing should be done in this site. Best coordinate articles with FreebsdZine or daemon news. >3. What are the objectives of the site, my impression was that we were >aiming for something of mix between slashdot.org and linuxtoday.com, >with some relation to linux.com. Given the number of FreeBSD related news are not that frequent we may want to include other news of interest to the FreeBSD community. In particular I like the idea of reviewing a FreeBSD site per week. In particular smaller sites. Could be site with info about FreeBSD or sites running on FreeBSD. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Aug 26 21: 4: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6963A15493 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:04:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from win98 (freyes.static.inch.com [207.240.212.43]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/UTIL-INCH-2.0.0) with SMTP id AAA23491; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908270403.AAA23491@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Preston S. Wiley II" Cc: "Advocacy List" Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:04:14 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:51:34 -0700 (PDT), Preston S. Wiley II wrote: >Looks like somehow the advocacy site I've been working on has been put >onto Yahoo!. It's in Computers_and_Internet --> Software --> >Operating_Systems --> Unix --> BSD --> FreeBSD --> Advocacy. That is a good thing no matter how it got there. Anyone have any thoughts on URL/name? I like the idea of advocacy.freebsd.org. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Aug 26 21:34:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from neptune.psn.net (neptune.psn.net [207.211.58.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF8E14C08 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:34:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@shadow.blackdawn.com) Received: from 5042-243.008.popsite.net ([209.224.140.243] helo=shadow.blackdawn.com) by neptune.psn.net with esmtp (PSN Internet Service 2.12 #3) for freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG id 11KDgB-0003iK-00; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:31:56 -0700 Received: (from will@localhost) by shadow.blackdawn.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id AAA04302 for freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:31:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from will) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199908270403.AAA23491@arutam.inch.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: Will Andrews From: Will Andrews To: Advocacy List Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 27-Aug-99 Francisco Reyes wrote: > That is a good thing no matter how it got there. I'm not so sure about that. It may in fact be a bad thing since not only folks here can find out about it easily, but those who use yahoo (what, 20 million hits a day or something?) can also find out about it. It is (I believe) not desirable for a full-blown "announcement" of the site at this time. It would make development of the site harder for Preston and others who are working to make it better rather than help users.. ;-) As for the domain name, I think it's actually better if it remains as "freebsd.tesserae.com", or if it takes upon its own domain name. That will give it a sense of "separation" from the official FreeBSD project, which I think the core team would prefer. ;-) -- Will Andrews To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Aug 27 4:56:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E040814E38 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 04:56:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from win98 (freyes.static.inch.com [207.240.212.43]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/UTIL-INCH-2.0.0) with SMTP id HAA25207; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908271153.HAA25207@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Advocacy List" , "Will Andrews" Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:53:59 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:31:48 -0400 (EDT), Will Andrews wrote: >It is (I believe) not desirable for a full-blown "announcement" of the site at >this time. It would make development of the site harder for Preston and others >who are working to make it better rather than help users.. ;-) But this is YAHOO.... not slashdot... Translation: only someone looking at "new sites" or actually looking for FreeBSD Advocacy would find it. On any case... it is done. :-) >As for the domain name, I think it's actually better if it remains as >"freebsd.tesserae.com", or if it takes upon its own domain name. How about freebsdadvocacy.com? Another possibility: freebsd.com Currently it just points to freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Aug 27 7:16: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nac.net (tempest.nac.net [209.123.109.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 10C6214D47 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:15:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garym@nac.net) Received: (qmail 23178 invoked by uid 0); 27 Aug 1999 14:06:45 -0000 Received: from iago.nac.net (garym@209.123.109.26) by tempest.nac.net with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 14:06:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:06:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Cc: gary@tbe.net Subject: [Slightly OT] FreeBSD Credit Card? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, stick a pic of Chuck on the face of a VISA/MC, and I'd apply for one! http://www.linuxfund.org |^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^| | Gary D. Margiotta Net Access Corp. | | 1-800-NET-ME-36 http://www.nac.net | | "Why go with a spineless ISP??? We've got more Backbone!" | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Aug 27 7:28:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D421550C for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:28:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (mothra.ecs.csus.edu [130.86.76.220]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10593; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37C6A07F.B7BDC98@owp.csus.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:28:15 -0700 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Francisco Reyes Cc: "advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: More changes to new advocacy site. References: <199908270401.AAA23203@arutam.inch.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Francisco Reyes wrote: > > >2. What are the capabilities for the site to grow and expand? > > This is essential.. that the site can handle a reasonable amount of > load. Idially it would be best to have it hosted at freebsd.org, but I > am not sure how this could be worked out, specially since the new site > is running with MySQL. > > This point has been brought up before. Using MySQL gives the site more > power/flexibility, but makes it more difficult to port, and on this > case, to get approval to run on someone elses computer (i.e. > freebsd.org). There are some ways to doing this. For instance, you could create a script to rebuild all the pages once or more a day. Those would then be the real pages, which in turn could also be used for mirroring. You would have to be very specific in how the site is constructed, but by no means impossible. > >Do you have people who have > >offered to help at different levels ( like reviewing/auth'ing > > This is one of the reasons why SlashDot has suceeded. There is a team > of people approving/trashing news. > We need something simmilar up/front. > > Possibly a couple of categories: > -Approvers. People who can approve articles/notes entered in the > system. > -Coders. People to enhance functionality. > > I don't think too much writing should be done in this site. Best > coordinate articles with FreebsdZine or daemon news. I don't know, I think one of the things that would be nice to see is some original content from time to time. I've seen both slashdot and linuxtoday throwing in the occasional original stuff, and that's nice to see. The other big thing is being able to post comments. One way or the other there should be some sort of rapid feedback process in place. > >3. What are the objectives of the site, my impression was that we were > >aiming for something of mix between slashdot.org and linuxtoday.com, > >with some relation to linux.com. > > Given the number of FreeBSD related news are not that frequent we may > want to include other news of interest to the FreeBSD community. This is one reason why a possible name change may be more useful than the current one. "FreeBSD Advocacy" may limit the scope of the site more than what we want to cover. > In particular I like the idea of reviewing a FreeBSD site per week. In > particular smaller sites. Could be site with info about FreeBSD or > sites running on FreeBSD. Good idea, and this could even be separate group of people, who then submit the site review. -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu CSU Sacramento - Office Of Water Programs To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Aug 27 7:32:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611A8154E7 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:32:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (mothra.ecs.csus.edu [130.86.76.220]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10625; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:31:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37C6A16E.13E72940@owp.csus.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:32:14 -0700 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Will Andrews Cc: Advocacy List Subject: Re: Advocacy Site link on Yahoo! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Will Andrews wrote: > > On 27-Aug-99 Francisco Reyes wrote: > > That is a good thing no matter how it got there. > > I'm not so sure about that. It may in fact be a bad thing since not only folks > here can find out about it easily, but those who use yahoo (what, 20 million > hits a day or something?) can also find out about it. > > It is (I believe) not desirable for a full-blown "announcement" of the site at > this time. It would make development of the site harder for Preston and others > who are working to make it better rather than help users.. ;-) I would agree with this. > As for the domain name, I think it's actually better if it remains as > "freebsd.tesserae.com", or if it takes upon its own domain name. That will give > it a sense of "separation" from the official FreeBSD project, which I think the > core team would prefer. ;-) I would also tend to agree with this. While I don't know exactly what the core teams feelings are exactly on the subject I'm sure they would like it if they weren't dragged into this also. I think it's a very good idea to let another group of FreeBSD heads run this site. After all, no one expects Linus to be running/coding/writing for Slashdot. I also think a new domain name would go along well with a new name in general. > > -- > Will Andrews -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu CSU Sacramento - Office Of Water Programs To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Aug 27 9:33: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from inet.chip-web.com (c1003518-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com [24.1.82.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C98F15570 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:33:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ludwigp@bigfoot.com) Received: (qmail 4778 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 16:32:10 -0000 Received: from furball.chip-web.com (HELO bigfoot.com) (172.16.1.29) by inet.chip-web.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 16:32:10 -0000 Message-ID: <37C6BD78.A6D79FC@bigfoot.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:31:52 -0700 From: Ludwig Pummer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gary D. Margiotta" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, gary@tbe.net Subject: Re: [Slightly OT] FreeBSD Credit Card? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Gary D. Margiotta" wrote: > > Well, stick a pic of Chuck on the face of a VISA/MC, and I'd apply for > one! NextCard lets you apply for a PictureCard, where you can put your own picture if you want to. The PictureCard costs $9.95 or it's free if you transfer a balance (> $300 ?) from another credit card. And this is quite OT, actually. I would expect a message like this to show up in -questions, but -chat or -advocacy is probably better for this. --Ludwig Pummer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Aug 27 9:47: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nac.net (tempest.nac.net [209.123.109.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D09414F04 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:47:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garym@nac.net) Received: (qmail 6907 invoked by uid 0); 27 Aug 1999 16:45:31 -0000 Received: from iago.nac.net (garym@209.123.109.26) by tempest.nac.net with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 16:45:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:44:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: Ludwig Pummer Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, gary@tbe.net Subject: Re: [Slightly OT] FreeBSD Credit Card? In-Reply-To: <37C6BD78.A6D79FC@bigfoot.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > NextCard lets you apply for a PictureCard, where you can put your own > picture if you want to. The PictureCard costs $9.95 or it's free if you > transfer a balance (> $300 ?) from another credit card. Hrm... something to look into... > And this is quite OT, actually. I would expect a message like this to > show up in -questions, but -chat or -advocacy is probably better for > this. True, and I did also post to -advocacy... the reason fr the post to -isp is that a while ago, there was a thread about ISP's and donations to the FBSD project, and I thought that this would be relevant to that in a certain respect. If you read the page about that card, part of the purchases go towards a designated fund, which if FBSD were to do something like this, just think of the revenues that could be generated by ISP's, corporations, and individuals using their 'FreeBSD Visa card'. Think about corporate cards and the like, and the money that is spent on them... |^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^| | Gary D. Margiotta Net Access Corp. | | 1-800-NET-ME-36 http://www.nac.net | | "Why go with a spineless ISP??? We've got more Backbone!" | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Aug 27 11:41:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [204.188.6.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A7EE15573 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:41:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unfurl@magnesium.net) Received: (qmail 50076 invoked by uid 1001); 27 Aug 1999 18:39:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:39:21 -0700 From: Bill Swingle To: "Gary D. Margiotta" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, gary@tbe.net Subject: Re: [Slightly OT] FreeBSD Credit Card? Message-ID: <19990827113921.D49606@dub.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: ; from Gary D. Margiotta on Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 10:06:06AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I actaully talked to the founder of this project at Linuxworld a few weeks ago. He was interested in starting a FreeBSDFund card. I gave him my card but have not heard from him. If you guys really want something like this you should send some mail to him at LinuxFund@aol.com letting him know. -Bill On Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 10:06:06AM -0400, Gary D. Margiotta wrote: > > Well, stick a pic of Chuck on the face of a VISA/MC, and I'd apply for > one! > > http://www.linuxfund.org -- -=| Bill Swingle - unfurl@dub.net - unfurl@freebsd.org - bill@cdrom.com -=| "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers" Pablo Picasso To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Aug 27 19:17:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from namaste.cc.columbia.edu (namaste.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF82B14F88; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:17:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuyman@confusion.net) Received: from confusion.net (dialup-cc2-94.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.58.199]) by namaste.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23688; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37C74680.8DE8199A@confusion.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:16:32 -0400 From: Laurence Berland Organization: B.R.A.T.T. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gary D. Margiotta" Cc: Ludwig Pummer , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, gary@tbe.net Subject: Re: [Slightly OT] FreeBSD Credit Card? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Or think of using it to donate money to FreeBSD over credit card, donate 100 but really donate more :) "Gary D. Margiotta" wrote: > > > If you read the page about that card, part of the purchases go towards a > designated fund, which if FBSD were to do something like this, just think > of the revenues that could be generated by ISP's, corporations, and > individuals using their 'FreeBSD Visa card'. Think about corporate cards > and the like, and the money that is spent on them... > > |^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^| > | Gary D. Margiotta Net Access Corp. | > | 1-800-NET-ME-36 http://www.nac.net | > | "Why go with a spineless ISP??? We've got more Backbone!" | > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Laurence Berland, Stuyvesant HS Debate <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. http://stuy.debate.net icq #7434346 aol imer E1101 The above email Copyright (C) 1999 Laurence Berland All rights reserved To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Aug 27 19:24: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C9A14F88 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:23:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from win98 (freyes.static.inch.com [207.240.212.43]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/UTIL-INCH-2.0.0) with SMTP id WAA23229; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908280223.WAA23229@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Joseph Scott" Cc: "advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:24:20 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: More changes to new advocacy site. Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:28:15 -0700, Joseph Scott wrote: >> In particular I like the idea of reviewing a FreeBSD site per week. In >> particular smaller sites. Could be site with info about FreeBSD or >> sites running on FreeBSD. > > Good idea, and this could even be separate group of people, who then >submit the site review. Even better let's have the owner of the site write their own description and the editors of the advocacy site will add comments if necessary. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Aug 27 21: 2:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08BD414EF5; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:02:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28841; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:01:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Laurence Berland Cc: "Gary D. Margiotta" , Ludwig Pummer , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, gary@tbe.net Subject: Re: [Slightly OT] FreeBSD Credit Card? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:16:32 EDT." <37C74680.8DE8199A@confusion.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:01:52 -0700 Message-ID: <28837.935812912@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Or think of using it to donate money to FreeBSD over credit card, donate > 100 but really donate more :) Actually, you can already donate to FreeBSD using a credit card. :) See http://www.freebsdmall.com/donate/ - Jrdan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Aug 27 21:29:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from namaste.cc.columbia.edu (namaste.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61BE1513C; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:29:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuyman@confusion.net) Received: from confusion.net (dialup-cc3-96.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.42.201]) by namaste.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29556; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37C76591.4C913D1D@confusion.net> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:29:05 -0400 From: Laurence Berland Organization: B.R.A.T.T. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: "Gary D. Margiotta" , Ludwig Pummer , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, gary@tbe.net Subject: Re: [Slightly OT] FreeBSD Credit Card? References: <28837.935812912@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I know, I guess what I meant wasn't clear. You could purchase your donation with a FBSD credit card, and be donating more than you're paying...sorry for the confusion "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > Or think of using it to donate money to FreeBSD over credit card, donate > > 100 but really donate more :) > > Actually, you can already donate to FreeBSD using a credit card. :) > See http://www.freebsdmall.com/donate/ > > - Jrdan -- Laurence Berland, Stuyvesant HS Debate <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. http://stuy.debate.net icq #7434346 aol imer E1101 The above email Copyright (C) 1999 Laurence Berland All rights reserved To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Aug 28 12:45:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 5AC7414D01; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:45:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE951CD8C9; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:45:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:45:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Chris Piazza Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/misc/upclient - Imported sources In-Reply-To: <199908281927.MAA65918@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Chris Piazza wrote: > For more information on the Server Uptimes project visit their web site at: > http://uptime.hexon.cx/ Actually, these are quite interesting stats. When the project first started, it was dominated by linux clients with few others, but currently there are a lot more diverse participants, and the average uptimes are dominated by NetBSD, FreeBSD, and BSDi in that order (although BSDi only has 2 participants. FreeBSD has 93, and NetBSD 32, so those two are reasonably statistical). Nr. of hosts registered per OS Linux 455 FreeBSD 93 Windows NT 62 Windows 98 57 NetBSD 32 Other 25 Windows 95 22 Solaris 17 Multiple 13 Novell 8 OpenBSD 7 Windows 2000 5 BeOS 4 BSDi 2 Uptimes per OS (avg, max) NetBSD 161 days, 04:43m 1197 days, 16:22m FreeBSD 133 days, 22:09m 716 days, 04:48m BSDi 111 days, 23:10m 217 days, 19:19m Other 84 days, 17:33m 760 days, 06:06m Linux 67 days, 09:08m 870 days, 14:06m Novell 58 days, 10:18m 342 days, 02:39m Solaris 48 days, 19:10m 149 days, 20:37m OpenBSD 31 days, 17:19m 93 days, 17:19m Windows 2000 10 days, 02:39m 20 days, 21:44m Windows NT 9 days, 21:42m 49 days, 17:02m It would be useful to display the standard deviation of the data as well as the mean - I'm looking for a contact address to suggest that. Of course, these stats aren't entirely useful because they're opt-in, but it certainly lends weight to what we've always known about BSDs being rock-stable systems. I wonder if someone should submit an article to slashdot hilighting this? Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Aug 28 20:30:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from tabby.kudra.com (gw.kudra.com [199.6.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6842E14CF6 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:30:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robert@kudra.com) Received: (from robert@localhost) by tabby.kudra.com (8.9.3/8.6.12) id XAA05165 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:30:42 -0400 From: Robert Sexton To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Need Pointers on FreeBSD Presentation. Message-ID: <19990828233042.C5101@tabby.kudra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What have I done? I've offered to give a FreeBSd presentation to the local Linux Users group. At first I thought I'd give the standard "Why FreeBSD is good" spiel that I give to my customers. I realize that they generally trust me, so I don't have to work so hard. However, the User group guy has asked me to 'Compare it with Linux', which leaves me a little cold. I'll have an opportunity to install it from scratch, to show it off. I though I'd put the emphasis on 'BSD', with FreeBSD as a particular, Intel/Alpha oriented branch. I had been thinking along these lines: 1. Loose history. 2. Install it over ethernet from my machine. 3. Why its good for admins: like most of the other BSD's. Administration is simpler. Easy maintenence via cvsup, make world, etc. ports. compatibility with Linux/SCO/BDSI binaries. 4. Demo cvsup. 5. Install a port. Any other ideas? -- Robert Sexton - robert@kudra.com, Cincinnati OH, USA Build a man a fire, and he's warm for the rest of the night. Set a man on fire, and he's warm for the rest of his life - Terry Pratchett, "Jingo" Read the Newton FAQ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Aug 28 22:38:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E7D14E5E for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:38:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@wintelcom.net) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20775; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:53:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@wintelcom.net) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:53:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Alfred Perlstein To: Robert Sexton Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Need Pointers on FreeBSD Presentation. In-Reply-To: <19990828233042.C5101@tabby.kudra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Robert Sexton wrote: > What have I done? I've offered to give a FreeBSd presentation to the > local Linux Users group. At first I thought I'd give the standard > "Why FreeBSD is good" spiel that I give to my customers. I realize > that they generally trust me, so I don't have to work so hard. > However, the User group guy has asked me to 'Compare it with Linux', > which leaves me a little cold. I'll have an opportunity to install it > from scratch, to show it off. I though I'd put the emphasis on 'BSD', > with FreeBSD as a particular, Intel/Alpha oriented branch. > > I had been thinking along these lines: > > 1. Loose history. > 2. Install it over ethernet from my machine. > 3. Why its good for admins: > like most of the other BSD's. Administration is simpler. > Easy maintenence via cvsup, make world, etc. > ports. > compatibility with Linux/SCO/BDSI binaries. > 4. Demo cvsup. > 5. Install a port. > > Any other ideas? Along the lines of a cooking show... After the cvsup, start a "make buildworld" Have another machine with an already built world on hand... show them how after buildworld, you can mount the /usr/src and /usr/obj dirs and do upgrades as simply as: (after starting NFS on the client/servers) mkdir /usr/src /usr/obj mount buildserver:/usr/src /usr/src mount buildserver:/usr/obj /usr/obj cd /usr/src make installworld One of the greatest assests to people managing labs or farms of FreeBSD boxes imo. the same "install/upgrade server" can be done via ports. Also explain the concept of the entire distro being stable or current and maintained, instead of "should i grab this RPM or this newer BETA" it becomes: "well they just put it into stable, i guess it's time to buildworld..." -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message