From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 26 6: 7: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4321114D94; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 06:06:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lynch@bsd.unix.sh) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22608; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 09:06:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 09:06:36 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Speaking of moving files In-Reply-To: <199912150029.QAA20326@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Cc:ed to -chat where this seems to belong now. Yes, everyone should be familiar with fsdb (you should have seen the fear on a coworker's face the other day when I said something about fixing a filesystem with fsdb in jest. It was straight unadulterated terror.) The mere mention of this tool makes Junior level administrators cower in fear. Just for that reason it makes it the best tool for intimidation. -Pat -- Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net lynch@unix.sh lynch@blowfi.sh Systems Administrator Rush Networking On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > [Charset ISO-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > > Ben Rosengart wrote in list.freebsd-current: > > > On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > > > > > > > I think at one time or another all of us have missed *something* in > > > > /usr that wasn't in /. For example, disklabel -e doesn't work without > > > > vi -- which is in /usr. > > > > > > Good example of something else that would be great to have in /bin. > > > > No, really bad example. > > > > # export EDITOR=ed > > # disklabel -e da0s1 > > 759 > > _ > > > > Works perfectly well. But for chown, there is no functional > > equivalent in /bin or /sbin that I'm aware of. > > A person who really knew fsdb could do it /bin/fsdb, infact it's > not really that hard... as fsdb has chown, chgrp, chmod, chtype chname and > all the others built in as native commands ;-) :-) :-) > > > -- > Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 26 8:41:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from kirk.giovannelli.it (kirk.giovannelli.it [194.184.65.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE65615107 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 08:41:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gmarco@giovannelli.it) Received: from suzy (modem07.masternet.it [194.184.65.17]) by kirk.giovannelli.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05500; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 17:41:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from gmarco@giovannelli.it) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991226173419.01997340@194.184.65.4> X-Sender: gmarco@194.184.65.4 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 17:40:44 +0100 To: chat@freebsd.org From: Gianmarco Giovannelli Subject: FreeBSD Con Article... Cc: Luigi Rizzo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Fully surrounded by Linux articles you can read something about FreeBSD on: http://www.apogeonline.com/openpress/articoli/art_36.html This article was requested by Apogeonline, a publishing company. I wrote more but they cut it to adjust to their standards. They'll publish soon a book on UNIX (in italian) including a FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE (?) copy of the first Walnut Creek distribution. Jordan can you confirm this ? Best Regards, Gianmarco Giovannelli , "Unix expert since yesterday" http://www.giovannelli.it/~gmarco http://www2.masternet.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 26 10:18: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A73C14BFE for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 10:17:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id TAA15522 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 19:17:15 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id TAA00567; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 19:37:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <19991226193701.35823@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 19:37:01 +0100 From: Phil Regnauld To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Webmin goes BSD license Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Very cool: www.webmin.com/webmin/intro.html What licence is Webmin distributed under? Following the acquisition of Webmin by Caldera, all past and future versions of Webmin are available under the BSD licence. This means that on Linux and other platforms, Webmin may be freely distributed and modified for commercial and non-commercial use. Because Webmin supports the concept of modules (like PhotoShop plugins), anyone can develop and distribute their own Webmin modules for any purpose, and distribute them under any licence (such as GPL, commercial or shareware). More information about the Webmin API and writing your own modules is available. [...] -- [ In 5 days, 6 hours and 23 minutes, this line might fail Y2K compliance ] y2k -- an occasion to remember how far we haven't come in the last 2000 years. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 26 10:59:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from plab.ku.dk (plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C6F14D62; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 10:59:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from voland@plab.ku.dk) Received: from eagle.plab.ku.dk (voland@eagle.plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.63]) by plab.ku.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00300; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 20:01:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from voland@plab.ku.dk) Received: (from voland@localhost) by eagle.plab.ku.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16447; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 19:59:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from voland) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Comment-To: Greg Lehey To: Greg Lehey Cc: James Howard , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Byte/Russia References: <19991223112615.X1316@freebie.lemis.com> <19991224135350.K1316@freebie.lemis.com> From: Vadim Belman In-Reply-To: Greg Lehey's message of "Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:53:50 +1030" Date: 26 Dec 1999 19:59:44 +0100 Message-ID: <85zouxjzoe.fsf@eagle.plab.ku.dk> Lines: 25 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Greg! On 24 Dec 99 at 04:23, "Greg" (Greg Lehey) wrote: >>> One thing that does impress me about the magazine is the technical >>> detail, which I haven't seen in a US magazine for decades. They also >>> give a surprising amount of attention to UNIX. The magazine is 96 >>> pages, including all ads, and 22 of them are about UNIX. There's an >>> almost total lack of Microsoft (just a single, albeit rather long, >>> article about setting up TCP/IP on Windoze). Very refreshing. >> Indeed, I was freaking astouned by that. There were some other >> articles on Linux, which of course, I cannot make out, except for >> "Linux" stuck in here and there. Definetly my kind of people. :) Greg> Right. Well, there could be more BSD :-) It will. I'm writing my second article for the magazine which will be talking about FreeBSD advantages, what makes it different from other systems, etc. I hope to make the article as big (huge?) as it only possible. 8) It should be bigger than the one in #15 at least. Seriously, any ideas on the article's content are appretiated. -- /Voland Vadim Belman E-mail: voland@plab.ku.dk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 26 12: 5: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from po3.wam.umd.edu (po3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE5814CF4; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 12:05:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac8.wam.umd.edu (root@rac8.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.148]) by po3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19192; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 15:04:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from rac8.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac8.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13576; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 15:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by rac8.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13572; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 15:04:49 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: rac8.wam.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 15:04:49 -0500 (EST) From: James Howard To: Vadim Belman Cc: Greg Lehey , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Byte/Russia In-Reply-To: <85zouxjzoe.fsf@eagle.plab.ku.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 26 Dec 1999, Vadim Belman wrote: > Seriously, any ideas on the article's content are appretiated. It would be wonderful to see an article discussing the hard-core technical advantages. A good description of the VM system, the FS, the IP stack, and why they are better than the competators. Real data should be used too, there is little more than heresay on these matters and it makes it difficult to prove something to someone. Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 26 12:41:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (pele.WURLDLINK.NET [208.164.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10ED414F76 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 12:41:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA52776 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 10:41:28 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 10:41:28 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Linux user saves Microsoft! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey guys, Yesterday, on the day of Christmas, Microsoft's hotmail service was down as well as anything that relied on Microsoft's Passport - passport.com service. Microsoft was way overdue on the domain and didn't pay the $35... Michael D. Chaney of Doublewide.Net, a Linux user saved Microsoft's butt upon reading of Microsoft's XMas loss of the passport.com domain with Network Solutions so he donated the $35.00 for the world's largest software company to restore service for its customers. Check out the link below: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=99/12/25/114201&mode=thread Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 26 13:59:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C226D14F13 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 13:59:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02870; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 22:59:08 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id WAA57686; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 22:59:07 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 22:59:06 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Mark Ovens Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Names (was: cvs commit: src/share/colldef cs_CZ.ISO_8859-2.src Makefile) Message-ID: <19991226225906.G55388@bitbox.follo.net> References: <19991222185040.D1316@freebie.lemis.com> <18545.945851513@critter.freebsd.dk> <19991223091834.K1316@freebie.lemis.com> <19991222233729.H322@marder-1> <19991223182634.B327@marder-1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <19991223182634.B327@marder-1>; from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org on Thu, Dec 23, 1999 at 06:26:34PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Dec 23, 1999 at 06:26:34PM +0000, Mark Ovens wrote: > On Thu, Dec 23, 1999 at 06:16:54PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Mark Ovens writes: > > > What about Dag-Erling? > > > > God help whoever dares split *that* up (or even leave out the hyphen). > > I do remember a reply that started "Dag, .....". > > Seriously, if Dag and Erling aren't 2 separate names, what is the > meaning/reason/significance of the hyphen? They *are* normally two separate names, but Dag-Erling will start flaming you[1] if you write it without the hyphen, or call him Dag (or Erling). Eivind. [1] From experience, no matter how little tactical it is, and no matter how many weeks of pure trouble he is going to earn from his flaming. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 26 17:45:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hvmta01-stg.us.psimail.psi.net (hvmta01-smtp.us.psimail.psi.net [38.202.36.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FCC1150E6 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 17:45:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from levap@acninc.net) Received: from acninc.net ([38.26.251.179]) by hvmta01-stg.us.psimail.psi.net (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991227014530.JNFW3802.hvmta01-stg@acninc.net> for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 20:45:30 -0500 Message-ID: <3A51D84C.506551DE@acninc.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 08:31:57 -0500 From: Manuel Carvajal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-NECCK (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: hungry for open source Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org bring it i want it all, all info that is about free bsd and wahts it all about you website is locked on my so put me on to whats going on. P.(diddy) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 26 22:57: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C6C14F8E for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 22:56:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from redprince@redprince.net) Received: from WhizKid (r22.bfm.org [216.127.220.118]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:57:25 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991227005437.0098e530@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:54:37 -0600 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Linux user saves Microsoft! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:41 26-12-1999 -1000, Vincent Poy wrote: >Michael D. Chaney of Doublewide.Net, a Linux user saved >Microsoft's butt upon reading of Microsoft's XMas loss of the passport.com >domain with Network Solutions so he donated the $35.00 for the world's >largest software company to restore service for its customers. ROFL!!! That's a good one. Let's hope to hear about it on Dateline NBC and other popular news shows. :-))))))))))))))))))) Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 27 0: 2:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from plab.ku.dk (plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F0014CE5; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:02:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from voland@plab.ku.dk) Received: from eagle.plab.ku.dk (voland@eagle.plab.ku.dk [130.225.105.63]) by plab.ku.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02874; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:04:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from voland@plab.ku.dk) Received: (from voland@localhost) by eagle.plab.ku.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20250; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:02:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from voland) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Comment-To: James Howard To: James Howard Cc: Greg Lehey , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Byte/Russia References: From: Vadim Belman In-Reply-To: James Howard's message of "Sun, 26 Dec 1999 15:04:49 -0500 (EST)" Date: 27 Dec 1999 09:02:30 +0100 Message-ID: <85aemwizft.fsf@eagle.plab.ku.dk> Lines: 33 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi James! On 26 Dec 99 at 21:04, "James" (James Howard) wrote: James> On 26 Dec 1999, Vadim Belman wrote: >> Seriously, any ideas on the article's content are appretiated. James> It would be wonderful to see an article discussing the hard-core James> technical advantages. A good description of the VM system, the FS, I would describe it if have a really good documentation. For the moment I have little to say about it. James> the IP stack, and why they are better than the competators. Real So, why then? I know they are better. And so you do. But neither benchmarks nor good explanations can be found on the Web. We have well known facts only about wcarchive, yahoo, etc., which runs FreeBSD as their main OS. The most impressive info on this topic is an article in the Science Daily online magazine where they talk about exceeding 1 Gbit threshold on a real task using FreeBSD TCP/IP stack without need to modify it. James> data should be used too, there is little more than heresay on these James> matters and it makes it difficult to prove something to someone. At the moment I'm mostly focusing on userland, developing model, administrative issues and stuff like this. -- /Voland Vadim Belman E-mail: voland@plab.ku.dk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 27 3:22: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD30814BFE for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 03:22:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02657; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:20:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Mark Ovens Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Names (was: cvs commit: src/share/colldef cs_CZ.ISO_8859-2.src Makefile) References: <19991222185040.D1316@freebie.lemis.com> <18545.945851513@critter.freebsd.dk> <19991223091834.K1316@freebie.lemis.com> <19991222233729.H322@marder-1> <19991223182634.B327@marder-1> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 27 Dec 1999 12:20:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: Mark Ovens's message of "Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:26:34 +0000" Message-ID: Lines: 9 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070097 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.97) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Ovens writes: > Seriously, if Dag and Erling aren't 2 separate names, what is the > meaning/reason/significance of the hyphen? I get extra character points for being touchy about my name. DES (if you didn't get it, read a GURPS rulebook) -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 27 6:13:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD82F14C02 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 06:13:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 122atz-000D80-00; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:13:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA64115; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:13:34 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:13:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathon McKitrick To: Manuel Carvajal Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: hungry for open source In-Reply-To: <3A51D84C.506551DE@acninc.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Manuel Carvajal wrote: >bring it i want it all, all info that is about free bsd and wahts it all >about you website is locked on my so put me on to whats going on. Go to www.freebsd.org and check out advocacy, FAQ, and the handbook. -jm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 28 9: 0:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28999154AA for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:00:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for chat@freebsd.org id 122zzS-000I42-00; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:00:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA73299 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:00:53 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:00:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathon McKitrick To: freebsd-chat Subject: gcc vs egcs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Correct me if i'm wrong, but is BSD moving to egcs in 4.0? How will this change the generated code? Is it just more C++ compatible? -=> jm <=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 28 9: 4: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AEE214F39 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:04:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for chat@freebsd.org id 12302T-000ICh-00; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:04:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA73318 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:04:00 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:04:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathon McKitrick To: freebsd-chat Subject: Re: gcc vs egcs (oops... wrong list) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry about the cross-post -=> jm <=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 28 13:24:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 753D314A25 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:24:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fullermd@futuresouth.com) Received: (from fullermd@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12086; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:20:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:20:51 -0600 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Theo van Klaveren Cc: patrick@whetstonelogic.com, joe@via.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What's the best accellerated graphics card for XF86? Message-ID: <19991228152051.C13177@futuresouth.com> References: <199912232353.SAA69429@p.wl.vg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ Over to -chat, not quite -hackers fare ] On Fri, Dec 24, 1999 at 12:58:34AM +0100, a little birdie told me that Theo van Klaveren remarked > On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 patrick@whetstonelogic.com wrote: > > > > And, who is going to build us a FreeBSD Quake 1, now that the source is > > out! > > Sorry, I only got as far as the server so far :-) > > The X11 client built, but there is a bug in Quake's assembly code > (methinks) that produces a SIGBUS in memset() ... haven't investigated > thourougly(sp?) yet. > > I'll try and build the GL client, but I haven't got high hopes... > If anyone is intersted, I can give you my patches to the QuakeWorld > code (it fixes the Linux CDROM code and some other Linux specific > thingies). I for one would love a good working console-mode run of Quake (I have a Millenium II vid card, so...). I've heard rumors from time to time of ways of making it work, but I recall trying a few times and never getting anywhere. Main reason; I just can't Quake without using the mouse, which just Doesn't Work (tm) under X11. -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Unix Systems Administrator | fullermd@futuresouth.com Specializing in FreeBSD | http://www.over-yonder.net/ "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 28 14:46:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from midget.dons.net.au (daniel.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.137.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF1614A07 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:46:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darius@dons.net.au) Received: from guppy.dons.net.au (guppy.dons.net.au [203.31.81.9]) by midget.dons.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA56450; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:11:32 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from darius@dons.net.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19991228152051.C13177@futuresouth.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:11:05 +1030 (CST) From: "Daniel J. O'Connor" To: "Matthew D. Fuller" Subject: Re: What's the best accellerated graphics card for XF86? Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, joe@via.net, patrick@whetstonelogic.com, Theo van Klaveren Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 28-Dec-99 Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > I for one would love a good working console-mode run of Quake (I have a > Millenium II vid card, so...). I've heard rumors from time to time of > ways of making it work, but I recall trying a few times and never getting > anywhere. Main reason; I just can't Quake without using the mouse, which > just Doesn't Work (tm) under X11. Amazing, I've been using it all this time... I think '_windowed_mouse 1' is what you need. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 28 17: 5:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from tdnet.com.br (guepardo.tdnet.com.br [200.236.148.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D07A15079 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:05:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grios@ddsecurity.com.br) Received: from ddsecurity.com.br [200.236.148.141] by tdnet.com.br with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A09B4E0094; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:15:07 -0300 Message-ID: <38697AC2.310545F3@ddsecurity.com.br> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 01:06:42 -0200 From: Gustavo V G C Rios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: BMP image for splash Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi everybody! I have just seted up my splash configuration and i am seeking for a serious (not women, animals, etc pictures) bmp image to have it opened on system boot process. Tanks a lot for your time and cooperation. best regards. -- The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 29 12:12:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from postal.globix.net (postal.globix.net [204.254.224.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5446614CFD for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:12:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bpitzer@globix.net) Received: from hayseed (bpitzer.support.globix.net [209.10.70.144]) by postal.globix.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA19642 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:08:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19991229150419.00ac6100@popserver.globix.com> X-Sender: bpitzer@popserver.globix.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:13:31 -0500 To: chat@freebsd.org From: Ben Pitzer Subject: Dirty filesystems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gang, I have a couple of dirty file systems on my FreeBSD 3.3 machine. Apparently, someone who didn't know any better turned on the machine, didn't have the root password, and, being a chronic NT (ab)user, just powered the machine down, rather than leaving it up until I could arrive to shut it down properly. Classic story, eh? Problem is that now it fails to boot properly, and can't mount three filesystems, including the root partition, /usr and /var. I've run fsck exhaustively, and no matter how I run it, it still says that the filesystems are dirty, and won't let me boot into anything other than single-user mode. I'm afraid that I'm going to have to re-install the whole thing, which wouldn't be such a bad thing, as it's not a major production box, and it doesn't have any critical files on it by any means. I could nuke it, and it wouldn't be a problem, except for the wasted time. Anyway, if any of you have any ideas that might save me that time and trouble, I'd be appreciative. Thanks, Ben Pitzer Support Analyst/Systems Administrator Globix Corporation 139 Centre Street New York, NY 10013 Tel: 212.625.6807 Personal Email: uncleben@mindspring.com Work Email: bpitzer@globix.net "I would rather be ashes than dust. I would rather that my spark should burn out in a brilliant blaze than be stifled by dry-rot. I would rather be a superb meteorite, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy, permanent planet. The proper function of man is to live, not to exist. I will not waste my days in trying to prolong them. I shall use my time." - Jack London To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 29 13:11:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from postal.globix.net (postal.globix.net [204.254.224.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBBA14BB8 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:10:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uncleben@mindspring.com) Received: from hayseed (bpitzer.support.globix.net [209.10.70.144]) by postal.globix.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA24941 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:05:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19991229161035.00a55220@popserver.globix.com> X-Sender: uncleben@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:11:08 -0500 To: chat@freebsd.org From: Ben Pitzer Subject: Re: Dirty filesystems In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991229150419.00ac6100@popserver.globix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Okay, forget it. I've taken care of the problem. Thanks. Regards, Ben Pitzer At 03:13 PM 12/29/99 -0500, Ben Pitzer wrote: >Gang, > >I have a couple of dirty file systems on my FreeBSD 3.3 machine. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 29 15:14:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC3015873 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:14:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt8-208-170-118-224.dialup.HiWAAY.net [208.170.118.224]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA13213; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 17:14:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28086; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 17:14:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <199912292314.RAA28086@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Ben Pitzer Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Dirty filesystems In-reply-to: Message from Ben Pitzer of "Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:13:31 EST." <4.1.19991229150419.00ac6100@popserver.globix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 17:14:39 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ben Pitzer writes: > Gang, > > I have a couple of dirty file systems on my FreeBSD 3.3 machine. > Apparently, someone who didn't know any better turned on the machine, > didn't have the root password, and, being a chronic NT (ab)user, just > powered the machine down, rather than leaving it up until I could arrive to > shut it down properly. Classic story, eh? You've disabled FreeBSD's ctrl-alt-del reboot? That's the problem I have with NT users. They think that is how you LOGIN. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Dec 29 17:33:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF9914EDE for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 17:33:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id MAA48362 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:03:16 +1030 (CST) Received: from iserver.itworks.com.au (iserver.itworks.com.au [203.32.61.10]) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA21459 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:52:00 +1030 (CST) Received: (qmail 96913 invoked by uid 1013); 29 Dec 1999 08:21:50 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@vicfug.au.freebsd.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list general@vicfug.au.freebsd.org Received: (qmail 96906 invoked from network); 29 Dec 1999 08:21:47 -0000 X-Authentication-Warning: stargate.home: jsutton owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:21:48 +1100 (EST) From: Joel Sutton X-Sender: jsutton@stargate.home To: Victorias FreeBSD User Group Subject: Unix World Jan 1991 - 10 Predictions for the '90s Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Howdy all, I was looking through some old copies of UNIX World and found this which, I hope, will make a few of you laugh ;-). Cheers, Joel... --- [ cut here ] --- Unix World Jan 1991 - by David L. Flack Prediction #1 OS/2 will lose to UNIX on the desktop. This doesn't seem like such a long shot. In the next nine years UNIX outght to be able to get its act together, its kernel shrunk, threaded, and otherwise made acceptable to people who just can't seem to bring themselves to buy SCO's Open Desktop today. In the meantime, the OS/2 development process has been divided between IBM and Microsoft. In UNIX, when a process gets duplicated, we say it's forked. OS/2 is now forked. Prediction #2 OSF will control UNIX. I'm amazed that our AT&T 3B2 is running System V.3 would let me enter this prediction. I guess this is proof that AT&T doesn't have as much control over computers running UNIX as people thought - not even their own. The fact is, AT&T's UNIX System Laboratories is in big trouble as the keeper of the UNIX Holy Grail. Once OSF replaces all of AT&T's UNIX code in OSF/2 and all the members of UI join OSF, it will be over. Sell fast, Mr Kavner, and cut your losses. Prediction #3 50 percent of all PCs will be networked. According to IDC, 97 percent of all UNIX workstations are networked while only 20 percent of PCs are joined in LANs. By the end of the decade most of the "You ain't puttin' no stinkin' Ethernet on my PC" crowd will be out of Corporate America, having been swept out along with the movement to downsize systems. Prediction #4 UNIX end users will start a consortium. Tired of seeing the word 'user' applied to everyone but themselves, the people who use UNIX but who aren't supposed to know it will take control. Their purpose will be to escape from their mouse-ridden GUI environments and flee to the simple beauty of the UNIX shell. Late in the '90s they will discover shell scripts. Prediction #5 An untimely demise of Sun Microsystems. Sun Microsystems will not escape financial ruin at the hands of a Far Eastern copier of Levi's jeans and Gucci watches. Despite the best efforts of U.S. Customs officals, an Asian SPARC cloner will copy the Sun Microsystems logo. The cloner's 100 mips laptop workstations will be sold out of briefcases on street corners in Manhattan, London, Tokyo, and Berlin, thus ending one of the most exciting sagas in computing. Prediction #6 DEC will introduce a symmetric multi-processing system on New Year's Eve, 1999. It will have industry-standard connectors on its serial ports. Prediction #7 SPARC and Intel will be the winners of the microprocessor wars. Microsoft will port PC/MS-DOS to Intel's i860 RISC chip "to improve graphics performance". Prediction #8 DEC will adopt SAA, paying royalities to IBM. Both will claim a victory for open systems. Prediction #9 Unix Today! will go weekly, but not daily. Unix Review will become more worldly. Prediction #10 Most of you will enjoy these predictions more than hearing how wonderful UNIX World will be in 1991. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 30 1:13:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pluto.psn.net (pluto.psn.net [207.211.58.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605BD15378 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 01:13:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@shadow.blackdawn.com) Received: from 15-155.008.popsite.net ([209.69.195.155] helo=shadow.blackdawn.com) by pluto.psn.net with esmtp (PSN Internet Service 3.12 #1) id 123be3-0001JG-00; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 02:13:19 -0700 Received: (from will@localhost) by shadow.blackdawn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA90922; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 04:13:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from will) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 04:13:16 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: Will Andrews From: Will Andrews To: Joel Sutton Subject: RE: Unix World Jan 1991 - 10 Predictions for the '90s Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How did this get on freebsd-chat? Please don't tell me you put freebsd-chat on the vicfug mailing list! ;) On 29-Dec-99 Joel Sutton wrote: > Prediction #4 > > UNIX end users will start a consortium. Tired of seeing the word 'user' > applied to everyone but themselves, the people who use UNIX but who aren't > supposed to know it will take control. Their purpose will be to escape > from their mouse-ridden GUI environments and flee to the simple beauty of > the UNIX shell. Late in the '90s they will discover shell scripts. Heh.. there's such a thing as a keyboard-ridden GUI environment. And that's mine - WindowMaker. The simple beauty of the shell comes with a victim - productivity. I can do a hell of a lot more at once with X than console. Although that's mostly because of higher resolutions and more scrollback support. ;) > Prediction #5 > > An untimely demise of Sun Microsystems. Sun Microsystems will not escape > financial ruin at the hands of a Far Eastern copier of Levi's jeans and > Gucci watches. Despite the best efforts of U.S. Customs officals, an Asian > SPARC cloner will copy the Sun Microsystems logo. The cloner's 100 mips > laptop workstations will be sold out of briefcases on street corners in > Manhattan, London, Tokyo, and Berlin, thus ending one of the most exciting > sagas in computing. Now that's a weird one. Sun has not only survived Mirosoft's attacks but seems to be flourishing.. mostly thanks to Linux, which (IIRC) didn't exist in 1991. > Prediction #6 > > DEC will introduce a symmetric multi-processing system on New Year's Eve, > 1999. It will have industry-standard connectors on its serial ports. They did that a long time ago. (I don't know about the serial ports part though! ;) > Prediction #7 > > SPARC and Intel will be the winners of the microprocessor wars. Microsoft > will port PC/MS-DOS to Intel's i860 RISC chip "to improve graphics > performance". I believe Motorola and IBM have ousted SPARC with their PowerPC chips. > Prediction #10 > > Most of you will enjoy these predictions more than hearing how wonderful > UNIX World will be in 1991. Nah, I think they're ill-gotten visionaries by someone who was smoking a crack pipe and actually thought he could get around the chaos theory. ;) All in all, an amusing chronicle of the UNIX world before my time. -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 30 3:50:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from dozer.skynet.be (dozer.skynet.be [195.238.2.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F83D1530F for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 03:50:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by dozer.skynet.be (8.9.3/odie-relay-v1.0) with ESMTP id MAA13925 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:50:10 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@foxbert.skynet.be Message-Id: Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 12:49:29 +0100 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Brad Knowles Subject: /.: Server Uptimes Ranked... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks, We already own the #1 spot in maximum uptime -- what are the chances that we could get enough additional hosts submitted that we could also own the maximum average uptime? -Brad Server Uptimes Ranked The Internet | Posted by Roblimo on 1999-12-30 09:47:36 from the you-can-prove-anything-with-statistics dept. Bex writes "Ever wonder how your server uptime is when compared to others with different operating systems? Ever wanted some hard numbers for the Linux vs NT or FreeBSD debates? Check out for a list of servers and some interesting number on uptimes. It looks like FreeBSD stomps all over everybody else, with a whopping 1994 days of uptime for one server, and a 138 day average uptime. NetBSD is second for max uptime, but better on average. Windows 2000 is second to last, just barely beating out BeOS with a paltry record of 49 days. Its average uptime was under a week! Remember, downtime doesn't always mean a crash, but is is a good indication of how often a machine needs maintenance. " -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ____________________________________________________________________ |o| Brad Knowles, Belgacom Skynet NV/SA |o| |o| Systems Architect, News & FTP Admin Rue Col. Bourg, 124 |o| |o| Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.11.11/12.49 B-1140 Brussels |o| |o| http://www.skynet.be Belgium |o| \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Unix is like a wigwam -- no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside. Unix is very user-friendly. It's just picky who its friends are. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 30 4:55:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cannon.ecf.utoronto.ca (cannon.ecf.utoronto.ca [128.100.8.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51924150B3 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 04:55:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vanderh@ecf.utoronto.ca) Received: from skule.ecf (vanderh@skule.ecf [128.100.8.6]) by cannon.ecf.utoronto.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28964; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 07:55:44 -0500 Received: (from vanderh@localhost) by skule.ecf (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19185998; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 07:55:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 07:55:43 -0500 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Will Andrews Cc: Joel Sutton , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Unix World Jan 1991 - 10 Predictions for the '90s Message-ID: <19991230075543.A18546887@skule.ecf.utoronto.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from Will Andrews on Thu, Dec 30, 1999 at 04:13:16AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Dec 30, 1999 at 04:13:16AM -0500, Will Andrews wrote: > > Heh.. there's such a thing as a keyboard-ridden GUI environment. And that's > mine - WindowMaker. The simple beauty of the shell comes with a victim - > productivity. I can do a hell of a lot more at once with X than console. > Although that's mostly because of higher resolutions and more scrollback > support. ;) Syscons provides for both. Using vidcontrol 80x30 (or your favourite variation thereof) and "options SC_HISTORY_SIZE=2048" will get you a long way. Now if syscons would just have a working destructive (vidcontrol -c destructive) then I'd be really happy. :) The cursor has a tendency to spontaneously become non-destructive when certain cons25 escape codes are sent. Things still missing: multiple cut'n'paste buffers, and a pop-up menu to remind me what's running on each of the 15 different vtys. Sometimes a faster "-r fast" would be nice, too. -- Signature withheld by request of author. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 30 6:56:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1231534D for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 06:56:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 123gzy-000P4q-00; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:56:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA91028; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:56:18 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:56:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathon McKitrick To: Will Andrews Cc: freebsd-chat Subject: RE: Unix World Jan 1991 - 10 Predictions for the '90s In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Will Andrews wrote: >Heh.. there's such a thing as a keyboard-ridden GUI environment. And that's >mine - WindowMaker. The simple beauty of the shell comes with a victim - >productivity. I can do a hell of a lot more at once with X than console. >Although that's mostly because of higher resolutions and more scrollback >support. ;) I have to agree with you there. I love windowmaker, and as long as you have the memory, it lets you multitask very smoothly. And since it has a small memory footprint (IIRC) that usually won't be a problem. >> An untimely demise of Sun Microsystems. Sun Microsystems will not escape > >Now that's a weird one. Sun has not only survived Mirosoft's attacks but seems >to be flourishing.. mostly thanks to Linux, which (IIRC) didn't exist in 1991. Rumor has it SOlaris 8 may be a Linux-killer. >I believe Motorola and IBM have ousted SPARC with their PowerPC chips. I thought the PowerPC was practically dead? -=> jm <=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 30 7: 1:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from csqdcsexc01.atlanta.usweb.com (csqdcsexc01.atlanta.usweb.com [207.138.245.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE33D15366 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 07:01:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jtilly@uswebcks.com) Received: by csqdcsexc01.atlanta.usweb.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 09:53:45 -0500 Message-ID: From: Jesse Tilly To: 'Jonathon McKitrick' , 'Will Andrews' Cc: 'freebsd-chat' Subject: RE: Unix World Jan 1991 - 10 Predictions for the '90s Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 09:53:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated" The PowerPC is alive and kicking. Not only does it power all Apple computers (the G3 and G4 are PowerPC generational chips), but they power IBM's top-o-tha-line RS/6000 workstations. Jesse -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jonathon McKitrick Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 9:56 AM To: Will Andrews Cc: freebsd-chat Subject: RE: Unix World Jan 1991 - 10 Predictions for the '90s On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Will Andrews wrote: >Heh.. there's such a thing as a keyboard-ridden GUI environment. And that's >mine - WindowMaker. The simple beauty of the shell comes with a victim - >productivity. I can do a hell of a lot more at once with X than console. >Although that's mostly because of higher resolutions and more scrollback >support. ;) I have to agree with you there. I love windowmaker, and as long as you have the memory, it lets you multitask very smoothly. And since it has a small memory footprint (IIRC) that usually won't be a problem. >> An untimely demise of Sun Microsystems. Sun Microsystems will not escape > >Now that's a weird one. Sun has not only survived Mirosoft's attacks but seems >to be flourishing.. mostly thanks to Linux, which (IIRC) didn't exist in 1991. Rumor has it SOlaris 8 may be a Linux-killer. >I believe Motorola and IBM have ousted SPARC with their PowerPC chips. I thought the PowerPC was practically dead? -=> jm <=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 30 7: 2:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D30D15332 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 07:02:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id QAA21228; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 16:02:22 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id QAA19846; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 16:13:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <19991230161341.61459@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 16:13:41 +0100 From: Phil Regnauld To: Phil Regnauld Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Uptime ! (507 days and going) References: <19991224145045.60133@ns.int.ftf.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19991224145045.60133@ns.int.ftf.net>; from Phil Regnauld on Fri, Dec 24, 1999 at 02:50:45PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Phil Regnauld writes: > I know it's sometimes possible to send pizzas over the Internet -- > I wish there was a way to send champagne bottles :-) > > FreeBSD makes my millenium. Kudos to core and all the commiters > for making such a damn good OS. > --- > 12:01AM up 507 days, 13:55, 0 users, load averages: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01 > --- ... and the machine betrayed me 4 days later: the IDE controller died!!! Argh! Massive facelift, and 3.4-RELEASE instead of 2.2.1 :-) Everything went smooth as butter during the upgrade -- thanks, Jordan! (except the aout libraries ending up in /usr/lib/compat, instead of /usr/lib/aout where /etc/rc looks for them). Back in business in less than 4 hours. -- [ In 1 days, 9 hours and 48 minutes, this line might fail Y2K compliance ] y2k -- an occasion to remember how far we haven't come in the last 2000 years. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 30 7:23: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C264F1533E for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 07:23:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 123hPi-000B8j-00; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 15:22:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA91182; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 15:22:54 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 15:22:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathon McKitrick To: Phil Regnauld Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Uptime ! (507 days and going) In-Reply-To: <19991230161341.61459@ns.int.ftf.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Phil Regnauld wrote: > Argh! Massive facelift, and 3.4-RELEASE instead of 2.2.1 :-) Did the revision numbering system change between 2.x and 3.x? The 3.x branch never has a third revision number. -=> jm <=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 30 8:58:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (mta4.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179B414F35 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:58:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gfish123@pacbell.net) Received: from uniqsite.com ([63.197.148.179]) by mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FNK00M4UCELTU@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net> for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:56:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:57:00 -0800 (PST) From: Gorden Fischer Subject: Will FreeBSD ever goes public? X-Sender: gfish123@uniqsite.com To: chat@freebsd.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all: With all the jazz Linux had stirred up, I simply wonder if FreeBSD will likely go public? Please cc me if you reply. Fischer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 30 9:11:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F4119150CE for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 09:11:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 123j70-000Bk0-00; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:11:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA91980; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:11:42 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:11:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathon McKitrick To: Gorden Fischer Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Will FreeBSD ever goes public? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Gorden Fischer wrote: >With all the jazz Linux had stirred up, I simply wonder if FreeBSD will >likely go public? 1. Well, from what i have heard, linux needed a LOT of vendor support before it got to that point. FreeBSD has a ways to go in this area. Also, they have an icon, a leader, that the media can point to. This difference has been observed by others, since FreeBSD is a group rather than one person who makes all the decisions. 2. Also, there are still several linux distros that will probably stay away from IPOs because they want to preserve the volunteer atmosphere. 3. Can you imagine Jordan having to report to a CEO or a Board of Directors? ;-) -=> jm <=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 30 9:16:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailtoaster1.pipeline.ch (mailtoaster1.pipeline.ch [62.48.0.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9996914D6C for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 09:16:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oppermann@pipeline.ch) Received: (qmail 74386 invoked from network); 30 Dec 1999 17:14:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pipeline.ch) ([195.134.128.41]) (envelope-sender ) by mailtoaster1.pipeline.ch (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 30 Dec 1999 17:14:43 -0000 Message-ID: <386B933A.FE4503D7@pipeline.ch> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:15:38 +0100 From: Andre Oppermann X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathon McKitrick Cc: Gorden Fischer , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Will FreeBSD ever goes public? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jonathon McKitrick wrote: > 3. Can you imagine Jordan having to report to a CEO or a Board > of > Directors? ;-) AFAIK he does; To the CEO of Walnut Creek CDROM. -- Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 30 9:20:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E241B14DE8 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 09:20:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id SAA24549; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:20:33 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id SAA20506; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:31:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <19991230183153.47926@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:31:53 +0100 From: Phil Regnauld To: Jonathon McKitrick Cc: Phil Regnauld , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Uptime ! (507 days and going) References: <19991230161341.61459@ns.int.ftf.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Jonathon McKitrick on Thu, Dec 30, 1999 at 03:22:54PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jonathon McKitrick writes: > > On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Phil Regnauld wrote: > > > Argh! Massive facelift, and 3.4-RELEASE instead of 2.2.1 :-) > > Did the revision numbering system change between 2.x and 3.x? The 3.x > branch never has a third revision number. You mean a minor ? Hmmm. I think Jordan explained that once: There would be no 3.0.5 -- 3.1 would be the way to go. And from then on... -- [ In 1 days, 7 hours and 28 minutes, this line might fail Y2K compliance ] y2k -- an occasion to remember how far we haven't come in the last 2000 years. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 30 9:24:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5827B14D27 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 09:24:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 123jJS-000E75-00; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:24:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA92103; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:24:34 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:24:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathon McKitrick To: Andre Oppermann Cc: Gorden Fischer , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Will FreeBSD ever goes public? In-Reply-To: <386B933A.FE4503D7@pipeline.ch> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Andre Oppermann wrote: >Jonathon McKitrick wrote: >> 3. Can you imagine Jordan having to report to a CEO or a Board >> of >> Directors? ;-) > >AFAIK he does; To the CEO of Walnut Creek CDROM. I stand corrected. Thank you, Andre. -=> jm <=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 30 13:45:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (mta1.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4322115445 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 13:45:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gfish123@pacbell.net) Received: from uniqsite.com ([63.197.148.179]) by mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FNK00AEFPQ786@mta1.snfc21.pbi.net> for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 13:44:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 13:44:45 -0800 (PST) From: Gorden Fischer Subject: If FreeBSD goes public (Was: Will FreeBSD ever goes public?) X-Sender: gfish123@uniqsite.com To: chat@freebsd.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It's too bad if you ask me. Why can't FREEBSD go public and use that money to promote its software? I think the hardware venders will also jump in to design BSD-friendly hardware. On second thought, will Walnut Creek go public? That, I feel, is the second best thing. Fischer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 30 14: 7:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FDEB154AE for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:07:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from workhorse (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17069; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 15:06:55 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991230150505.018cf730@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 15:06:55 -0700 To: Gorden Fischer , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Will FreeBSD ever goes public? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It does not make sense to talk about FreeBSD going public. Cooperative open source development projects do not go public; corporations which market and distribute the code from them do. And there are many public companies that are already doing that. Look at Whistle (now part of the publicly traded IBM), Maxtor, Intel.... FreeBSD is already "public" in that sense. --Brett At 09:57 AM 12/30/99 , Gorden Fischer wrote: >Hi all: > >With all the jazz Linux had stirred up, I simply wonder if FreeBSD will >likely go public? > >Please cc me if you reply. > >Fischer > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 30 14:44:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394E614EDB for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:44:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id dBUMhL390335; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:43:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:43:21 -0500 (EST) From: jack To: Jonathon McKitrick Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Will FreeBSD ever goes public? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Today Jonathon McKitrick wrote: > 3. Can you imagine Jordan having to report to a CEO or a > Board of Directors? ;-) A few lines of replies for the "suits" would be all jordan.pl would need. :) if query ~ future print "We are currently revising our five year plan based on current, and predicted, economic indicators." .... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 30 15:54:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pluto.psn.net (pluto.psn.net [207.211.58.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDDD14C25 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 15:54:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@shadow.blackdawn.com) Received: from 24-207.008.popsite.net ([209.69.197.207] helo=shadow.blackdawn.com) by pluto.psn.net with esmtp (PSN Internet Service 3.12 #1) id 123pP3-0005ic-00; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 16:54:46 -0700 Received: (from will@localhost) by shadow.blackdawn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA34426; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:24:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from will) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:24:46 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: Will Andrews From: Will Andrews To: Jonathon McKitrick Subject: Re: Will FreeBSD ever goes public? Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, Gorden Fischer Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 30-Dec-99 Jonathon McKitrick wrote: > 1. Well, from what i have heard, linux needed a LOT of vendor support > before it got to that point. FreeBSD has a ways to go in this area. > Also, they have an icon, a leader, that the media can point to. This > difference has been observed by others, since FreeBSD is a group rather > than one person who makes all the decisions. Heh. FreeBSD has its own "icon", arguably (IMOBO) Jordan. ;-) -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 30 16: 5:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E002152E9 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 16:05:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA91293; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 19:08:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199912310008.TAA91293@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: Uptime ! (507 days and going) In-Reply-To: <19991224172048.17894@ns.int.ftf.net> from Phil Regnauld at "Dec 24, 1999 05:20:48 pm" To: regnauld@ftf.net (Phil Regnauld) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 19:08:47 -0500 (EST) Cc: jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (Jonathon McKitrick), freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Phil Regnauld wrote, > Jonathon McKitrick writes: > > > > That's a lot of data... what command produces those reports? > > /usr/bin/uname -a > /usr/bin/uptime > /usr/bin/vmstat -i > /usr/bin/vmstat -s > /usr/bin/vmstat -m [107:~] uname -a FreeBSD newmail.xxxx.xxx 2.2.8-STABLE FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE #0: Mon May 3 23:00:34 EDT 1999 postman@newmail.xxxx.xxx:/usr/src/sys/compile/NEWMAIL i386 [108:~] uptime 6:51PM up 150 days, 2:44, 1 user, load averages: 0.04, 0.03, 0.00 [109:~] vmstat -i interrupt total rate clk0 irq0 1296951033 99 rtc0 irq8 1660151845 128 fdc0 irq6 60370 0 wdc0 irq14 944831167 72 wdc1 irq15 1 0 sc0 irq1 337 0 sio1 irq3 16735 0 ex0 irq10 58470488 4 Total -334485320 -25 *hrmm...* Is it potentially harmful for these to go negative or roll over (not in vmstat(1) output, but the kernel registers it reads)? Maybe vmstat(1) should be using 'unsigned long's rather than 'long's? -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 30 16:23: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC62F14C32 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 16:23:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt8-208-170-118-195.dialup.HiWAAY.net [208.170.118.195]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA08507; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:23:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA53556; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:23:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <199912310023.SAA53556@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Jesse Tilly Cc: "'freebsd-chat'" From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Unix World Jan 1991 - 10 Predictions for the '90s In-reply-to: Message from Jesse Tilly of "Thu, 30 Dec 1999 09:53:47 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:23:00 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jesse Tilly writes: > "Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated" > > The PowerPC is alive and kicking. Not only does it power all Apple > computers (the G3 and G4 are PowerPC generational chips), but they power > IBM's top-o-tha-line RS/6000 workstations. Not to mention successes in the embedded market. Can't find the reference right now but somehow I got the idea Kodak's current digital cameras were PowerPC based. Someone ported an Atari 2600 emulator to the DC-265 and there is a picture of it (and most everything you need to download) playing Donkey Kong: http://members.aol.com/JWSurine/ Next year we'll be hearing a lot from the Apple PowerPC group as MacOS X, the user version, is due out in February, and is recognized as a bona fide BSD derivative. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 30 16:43:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913F1151E9 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 16:43:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id BAA27467; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 01:41:55 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id BAA22432; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 01:53:19 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <19991231015318.40151@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 01:53:18 +0100 From: Phil Regnauld To: cjclark@home.com Cc: Phil Regnauld , Jonathon McKitrick , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Uptime ! (507 days and going) References: <19991224172048.17894@ns.int.ftf.net> <199912310008.TAA91293@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199912310008.TAA91293@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com>; from Crist J. Clark on Thu, Dec 30, 1999 at 07:08:47PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Crist J. Clark writes: > interrupt total rate > clk0 irq0 1296951033 99 > rtc0 irq8 1660151845 128 > fdc0 irq6 60370 0 > wdc0 irq14 944831167 72 > > Is it potentially harmful for these to go negative or roll over (not > in vmstat(1) output, but the kernel registers it reads)? Maybe They're just counters. Makes statistics more difficult, shouldn't be a problem otherwise... I don't know how this is handled in 3.x and -CURRENT. > vmstat(1) should be using 'unsigned long's rather than 'long's? -- [ In 1 days, 0 hours and 7 minutes, this line might fail Y2K compliance ] y2k -- an occasion to remember how far we haven't come in the last 2000 years. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 30 16:47: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from soda.csua.Berkeley.edu (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27D914CD4 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 16:47:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yule@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU) Received: from localhost (yule@localhost) by soda.csua.Berkeley.edu (8.8.8/) via ESMTP id QAA16132; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 16:46:56 -0800 (PST) env-from (yule@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 16:46:54 -0800 (PST) From: Yui To: David Kelly Cc: Jesse Tilly , "'freebsd-chat'" Subject: Re: Unix World Jan 1991 - 10 Predictions for the '90s In-Reply-To: <199912310023.SAA53556@nospam.hiwaay.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, David Kelly wrote: > Next year we'll be hearing a lot from the Apple PowerPC group as MacOS > X, the user version, is due out in February, and is recognized as a bona > fide BSD derivative. yes, it's supposed to have IPv6 code written by the Kame group integrated into it's new OS. these are exciting times! yui To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 30 17:12: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pluto.psn.net (pluto.psn.net [207.211.58.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1823314BFF for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:12:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@shadow.blackdawn.com) Received: from 20-172.008.popsite.net ([209.69.196.172] helo=shadow.blackdawn.com) by pluto.psn.net with esmtp (PSN Internet Service 3.12 #1) id 123qbn-0002Vo-00; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:12:05 -0700 Received: (from will@localhost) by shadow.blackdawn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA36697; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:11:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from will) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:11:55 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: Will Andrews From: Will Andrews To: Gorden Fischer Subject: RE: If FreeBSD goes public (Was: Will FreeBSD ever goes public?) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 30-Dec-99 Gorden Fischer wrote: > It's too bad if you ask me. Why can't FREEBSD go public and use that > money to promote its software? I think the hardware venders will also > jump in to design BSD-friendly hardware. There's no FreeBSD corporation. Well, yes there is, but Walnut Creek owns it. (I believe that's right.. somebody feel free to slap me if I'm wrong!) > On second thought, will Walnut Creek go public? That, I feel, is the > second best thing. I don't really know if that's such a good idea. -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 30 17:37:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B27115386 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:37:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA03045; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 02:37:38 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id CAA88354; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 02:37:38 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 02:37:38 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Jonathon McKitrick Cc: Phil Regnauld , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Uptime ! (507 days and going) Message-ID: <19991231023738.A88312@bitbox.follo.net> References: <19991230161341.61459@ns.int.ftf.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org on Thu, Dec 30, 1999 at 03:22:54PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Dec 30, 1999 at 03:22:54PM +0000, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Phil Regnauld wrote: > > > Argh! Massive facelift, and 3.4-RELEASE instead of 2.2.1 :-) > > Did the revision numbering system change between 2.x and 3.x? The 3.x > branch never has a third revision number. Yes - we pulled the numbers up one notch, to make them better match what people "expect" of version numbers. So, what would have been 3.0.1, 3.0.2, 3.0.5, etc became 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, etc. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Dec 30 23:12:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from kirk.giovannelli.it (kirk.giovannelli.it [194.184.65.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D21A14C23 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 23:12:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gmarco@giovannelli.it) Received: from suzy (modem31.masternet.it [194.184.65.41]) by kirk.giovannelli.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13534 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:12:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from gmarco@giovannelli.it) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991231075912.00c08310@194.184.65.4> X-Sender: gmarco@194.184.65.4 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 08:11:24 +0100 To: chat@freebsd.org From: Gianmarco Giovannelli Subject: Norway account for developing ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am in contact with the author of BetaFTPD, a little size ftp daemon, and I am trying to port it under FreeBSD. The prog. compile fine but then suffer from a strange beaviour. I have not the necessry knowledge to fix it by myself so I ask to the author. He said to me he haven't access to a FreeBSD system to check what is wrong. I offered to give him an account in one of my boxes to test it, but they are all in Italy and perhaps not so "fast" and usable for him. So is there here a Norway FreeBSD guy that can/wants give him a "nearer" telnet account on a FreeBSD box ? Happy New Year to Everybody !!!!!!!!! P.s. This is what happens right now: ---> begin <--- gmarco:/tmp# ftp 10.0.0.1 121 Connected to 10.0.0.1. 220 BetaFTPD 0.0.8pre9 ready. Name (10.0.0.1:gmarco): 331 Password required for gmarco. Password: 230 User logged in. Remote system type is UNIX. Using binary mode to transfer files. ftp> ls 200 PORT command OK. 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for directory listing. total 58958 in /home/gmarco/ I have : -rw-r--r-- 1 gmarco wheel 196134 Nov 1 10:03 nitfol-0.5.tar.gz -rwxr-xr-x 1 gmarco gmarco 864 Nov 21 10:16 nomi.pl drwxr-xr-x 6 gmarco gmarco 512 Nov 16 08:33 ns_imap drwx------ 2 gmarco gmarco 512 Nov 16 08:43 nsmail drwxr-xr-x 2 root gmarco 512 Sep 5 11:12 pc drwxr-xr-x 2 gmarco gmarco 1024 Dec 26 12:02 ports-todo -rw-r--r-- 1 root gmarco 1129 Sep 20 21:04 ppp.conf -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 67 Oct 6 1998 ppp.sh drwxr-xr-x 2 root gmarco 512 Dec 11 10:00 public_html -rwxr--r-- 1 gmarco gmarco 927 Sep 16 16:04 required.gif -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 24754 Jul 2 11:21 tesistat1db.out -rw-r--r-- 1 gmarco wheel 5623 Oct 3 09:53 tesistat1db.tgz -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 32918 Apr 11 1999 tetrinet-x.1.13.16.tgz -rw-r--r-- 1 gmarco gmarco 3300 Nov 10 23:50 tin.it -rw-r--r-- 1 gmarco wheel 1224990 Oct 3 12:41 uox.zip -rwxr--r-- 1 gmarco gmarco 38991 Sep 12 08:17 viewer.jpg but betaftpd give me back after an ls: -rw-r--r-- 1 gmarco wheel 196134 (null) Nov 1 10:03 -rwxr-xr-x 1 gmarco gmarco 864 (null) Nov 21 10:16 drwxr-xr-x 6 gmarco gmarco 512 (null) Nov 16 08:33 drwx------ 2 gmarco gmarco 512 (null) Nov 16 08:43 drwxr-xr-x 2 root gmarco 512 (null) Sep 5 11:12 drwxr-xr-x 2 gmarco gmarco 1024 (null) Dec 26 12:02 -rw-r--r-- 1 root gmarco 1129 (null) Sep 20 21:04 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 67 (null) Oct 6 1998 drwxr-xr-x 2 root gmarco 512 (null) Dec 11 10:00 -rwxr--r-- 1 gmarco gmarco 927 (null) Sep 16 16:04 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 24754 (null) Jul 2 11:21 -rw-r--r-- 1 gmarco wheel 5623 (null) Oct 3 09:53 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 32918 (null) Apr 11 13:25 -rw-r--r-- 1 gmarco gmarco 3300 (null) Nov 10 23:50 -rw-r--r-- 1 gmarco wheel 1224990 (null) Oct 3 12:41 -rwxr--r-- 1 gmarco gmarco 38991 (null) Sep 12 08:17 As you can see the filenames are missing... Any idea ? Thanks for your attention... Best Regards, Gianmarco Giovannelli , "Unix expert since yesterday" http://www.giovannelli.it/~gmarco http://www2.masternet.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Dec 31 11:14:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from server05.gw.total-web.net (server05.gw.total-web.net [209.187.140.176]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8BB4315078 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:14:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jtilly@gw.total-web.net) Received: (qmail 21663 invoked from network); 31 Dec 1999 19:14:19 -0000 Received: from ip-165-157.gw.total-web.net (HELO frodo) (209.187.165.157) by server05.gw.total-web.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 1999 19:14:19 -0000 Message-ID: <01dc01bf53da$e2340860$0301a8c0@lothlorien.com> From: "Jesse Tilly" To: "Will Andrews" , "Gorden Fischer" Cc: References: Subject: Re: If FreeBSD goes public (Was: Will FreeBSD ever goes public?) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 14:03:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Everyone needs to remember that "going public" entails more than just offer stock. Your books are open to the world and your business focus must always take into account shareholders. Case in point, had UPS been public during its strike, it is unlikely it would have lasted long as its stock would've plummetted while FedEX and others would gain the financial support. Public is rarely a good thing for a business with a philosophy. Jesse - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Andrews" To: "Gorden Fischer" Cc: Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 5:11 PM Subject: RE: If FreeBSD goes public (Was: Will FreeBSD ever goes public?) > On 30-Dec-99 Gorden Fischer wrote: > > It's too bad if you ask me. Why can't FREEBSD go public and use > > that money to promote its software? I think the hardware venders > > will also jump in to design BSD-friendly hardware. > > There's no FreeBSD corporation. Well, yes there is, but Walnut > Creek owns it. (I believe that's right.. somebody feel free to slap > me if I'm wrong!) > > > On second thought, will Walnut Creek go public? That, I feel, is > > the second best thing. > > I don't really know if that's such a good idea. > > -- > Will Andrews > GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K > w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ > D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.1 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOG0oGAmK+av4UFSjEQK2eACg2jxj7h666Acf5k/fPN3gUjT1h3sAoM/o XmD7MsVmBBhRwm4vKs7RB+IS =Ld4j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Dec 31 12:27: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE46B15657 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:27:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from workhorse (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28141; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 13:25:21 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991231132328.0187cc50@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 13:25:17 -0700 To: "Jesse Tilly" , "Will Andrews" , "Gorden Fischer" From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: If FreeBSD goes public (Was: Will FreeBSD ever goes public?) Cc: In-Reply-To: <01dc01bf53da$e2340860$0301a8c0@lothlorien.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 03:03 PM 12/31/99 , Jesse Tilly wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Everyone needs to remember that "going public" entails more than just >offer stock. Your books are open to the world and your business >focus must always take into account shareholders. Case in point, had >UPS been public during its strike, it is unlikely it would have >lasted long as its stock would've plummetted while FedEX and others >would gain the financial support. Public is rarely a good thing for >a business with a philosophy. It's actually even worse than that. By LAW, a publicly traded company has one and only one legitimate goal: to make money for its stockholders. That's it. Period. If this goal can be better served via the production of lower quality software, or by shipping too quick, so be it; the directors and executives are liable if they don't do it. --Brett Glass To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Dec 31 12:58:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B76714E19 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:58:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 12498G-000K5s-00; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 20:58:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01452; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 20:58:44 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 20:58:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathon McKitrick To: Brett Glass Cc: Jesse Tilly , Will Andrews , Gorden Fischer , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: If FreeBSD goes public (Was: Will FreeBSD ever goes public?) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991231132328.0187cc50@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 31 Dec 1999, Brett Glass wrote: > >It's actually even worse than that. By LAW, a publicly traded company >has one and only one legitimate goal: to make money for its stockholders. >That's it. Period. If this goal can be better served via the production >of lower quality software, or by shipping too quick, so be it; the >directors and executives are liable if they don't do it. Well, *i'm* convinced! Stay private! No question about it! -=> jm <=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Dec 31 13:54:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591001559B for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 13:54:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from workhorse (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28952; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 14:52:55 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.19991231145019.01906890@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 14:52:53 -0700 To: Jonathon McKitrick From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: If FreeBSD goes public (Was: Will FreeBSD ever goes public?) Cc: Jesse Tilly , Will Andrews , Gorden Fischer , chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.19991231132328.0187cc50@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:58 PM 12/31/1999 , Jonathon McKitrick wrote: >On Fri, 31 Dec 1999, Brett Glass wrote: > > > >It's actually even worse than that. By LAW, a publicly traded company > >has one and only one legitimate goal: to make money for its stockholders. > >That's it. Period. If this goal can be better served via the production > >of lower quality software, or by shipping too quick, so be it; the > >directors and executives are liable if they don't do it. > >Well, *i'm* convinced! Stay private! No question about it! >-=> jm <=- There is, however, another option that probably SHOULD be exercised: namely, to incorporate as a non-profit organization. While a software development group can't qualify as a 501(c)(3) (a public charity), it CAN qualify as a 501(c)(4) (social group), a 501(c)(6) (trade association), or a 501(c)12 (miscellaneous mutual benefit society). All such groups can act on principle rather than to maximize profit. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message