From owner-freebsd-cluster Thu Dec 16 6:53:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.bart.nl (lucifer.bart.nl [194.158.168.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8364A14E5F for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 06:53:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@lucifer.bart.nl) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by lucifer.bart.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA68713 for cluster@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:53:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:53:48 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: cluster@freebsd.org Subject: Project homepage and definitions Message-ID: <19991216155348.C68446@lucifer.bart.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Organisation: bART Internet Services B.V. Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Added a few more references. (still sifting through Eivind's list.) I am also in the prospect in writing a text on what exactly high availability and clustering is. basically, at least what I know is that: high availability is a more sophisticated form of load balancing clustering is basically the grouping of stations and the sharing of processes between those stations. Also parallization plays an important aspect. Comments/changes/additions/deletions/bananas? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator bART Internet Services / Tel: +31 - (0) 10 - 240 39 70 VIA NET.WORKS Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Thu Dec 16 7:46:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78BF514C39 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 07:46:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16001; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:46:09 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id QAA78295; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:46:07 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:46:07 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Cc: cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Project homepage and definitions Message-ID: <19991216164607.H62815@bitbox.follo.net> References: <19991216155348.C68446@lucifer.bart.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <19991216155348.C68446@lucifer.bart.nl>; from asmodai@bart.nl on Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 03:53:48PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 03:53:48PM +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: > Added a few more references. (still sifting through Eivind's list.) > > I am also in the prospect in writing a text on what exactly high > availability and clustering is. > > basically, at least what I know is that: > > high availability is a more sophisticated form of load balancing High Availability is used somewhat fuzzily, but represent 'Making a system be available more of the time than usual'. This might be 24/7 (e.g. web servers), or it might be *always* during the 8/5 working hours, with "anything goes" during the rest of the time (e.g, stock exchange systems). One common definition of a High Availabilable System is 'Anything without any SPOF (Single Point Of Failure)', differing from 'Classic Fault Tolerant' (which is defined as the usual tell-me-tree-times or similar hardware level fault tolerance). > clustering is basically the grouping of stations and the sharing of > processes between those stations. Also parallization plays an important > aspect. Clustering is also fuzzy, but do not need to include process migration (and actually usually does not). The definition I find myself most comfortable with is 'Any set of computers with an SSI (Single System Image) seen from some point of view'. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Fri Dec 17 1:36:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from yta.attmil.ne.jp (yta.attmil.ne.jp [165.76.24.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C95150BA for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 01:36:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tiberius@yta.attmil.ne.jp) Received: from yta.attmil.ne.jp (05.gate1.yokota.attmil.ne.jp [165.76.24.84]) by yta.attmil.ne.jp (8.8.8+Spin/3.6W-CONS(11/09/99)) id SAA09598; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:35:55 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <385A040E.6738E411@yta.attmil.ne.jp> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:36:14 +0900 From: Robert Hugh Force II X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Cc: cluster@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Project homepage and definitions References: <19991216155348.C68446@lucifer.bart.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jeroen, My understanding of High Availability (HA) is that the goal is to provide a fault tolerant system that masks system outages from users so they may have uninterrupted work. HA utilizes automatic scripts to perform failure activities in a reliably reproducible manner and in less time than any manual operation. True fault tolerant computer systems are VERY $$expensive$$ and very complex (Do they actually exist?) so a more accurate term might be near-fault-tolerant. Redundancy is usually used to help eliminate Single Points Of Failure ( SPOF) and clustering is usually an integral part of a HA environment. Clustering involves connecting computers so that the nodes are able to function as one computer as far as the user is concerned. Parallel computing is one possible use for a cluster. These may not be "dictionary definitions" of HA and clustering but I think they are a step in the right direction. Robert "Bob" Force fMFG (former MainFrame Geek) Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: > Added a few more references. (still sifting through Eivind's list.) > > I am also in the prospect in writing a text on what exactly high > availability and clustering is. > > basically, at least what I know is that: > > high availability is a more sophisticated form of load balancing > > clustering is basically the grouping of stations and the sharing of > processes between those stations. Also parallization plays an important > aspect. > > Comments/changes/additions/deletions/bananas? > > -- > Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator > bART Internet Services / > Tel: +31 - (0) 10 - 240 39 70 VIA NET.WORKS Netherlands > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Wed Dec 22 0:41:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from avon.desilva.co.uk (avon.desilva.co.uk [212.19.64.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96F314FD3 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:41:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david@desilva.co.uk) Received: from davidds (gate.netcomconsult.co.uk [212.19.64.126]) by avon.desilva.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA06708 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:41:17 GMT (envelope-from david@desilva.co.uk) Received: from 212.19.76.23 by barney.netcomconsult.co.uk Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:43:24 -0000 Message-ID: <006101bf4c58$230079d0$174c13d4@imperium.tele2.net.uk> From: "David De Silva" To: Subject: Web resources Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:40:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Are there any web sites devoted to Beowulf systems running Free(*)BSD? TIA, David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Wed Dec 22 2:18: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from yta.attmil.ne.jp (yta.attmil.ne.jp [165.76.24.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C53D14CAF for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 02:17:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tiberius@yta.attmil.ne.jp) Received: from yta.attmil.ne.jp (40.gate2.yokota.attmil.ne.jp [165.76.24.167]) by yta.attmil.ne.jp (8.8.8+Spin/3.6W-CONS(11/09/99)) id TAA11790; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:17:50 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3860A56F.D33F1FAE@yta.attmil.ne.jp> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:18:23 +0900 From: Robert Hugh Force II X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David De Silva Cc: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web resources References: <006101bf4c58$230079d0$174c13d4@imperium.tele2.net.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David, I asked the same question earlier this month. My search for web sites that support/discuss Beowulfing with FreeBSD has been fruitless up to this point. I currently have a six mode network in my house that I will be converting to FreeBSD 3.4 when my copy arrives early in the next century ;-) (i.e., January 2000). These are the computers my family and I use for our daily activities: surfing the Web, school work, e-mail and similar stuff. My plan is to setup a new segment with computers I will buy that expressly for the purpose of setting up and running a Beowulf cluster. I am trying to get a copy of the Extreme Linux CD that describes how to setup a Beowulf using Red Hat Linux v5.2. I know this is an old version of RH but I figure it is still useful information that can be used to setup a Beowulf in general. I have also been cruising the web for useful sites and have listed some you may not have found. http://www.inficad.com/~garbled/clusterit.html ClusterIt - A collection of clustering tools, to turn your ordinary everyday pile of UNIX workstations into a speedy parallel beast. http://www.eros-os.org EROS Operating System - The Extremely Reliable Operating System http://www.hensa.ac.uk/parallel Internet Parallel Computing Archive - A complete reference site about everything that concerns parallel computing. http://www.acl.lanl.gov/~rminnich Ron Minnich's page about metacomputing and clustering http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/Research/rapid_sweb/SWEB.html SWEB - Towards a Scalable World Wide Web Server on Multicomputers Hopefully a site devoted to Beowulfing with FreeBSD will soon be available. I am not sure why people don't seem to be using FreeBSD for this task. It's superior networking capabilities would seem to lend it very well to such a task. Take care and I hope this has in some manner helped you. Bob "Use the" Force fMFG (former Main Frame Geek) David De Silva wrote: > Are there any web sites devoted to Beowulf systems running Free(*)BSD? > > TIA, > David > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Wed Dec 22 2:51:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from avon.desilva.co.uk (avon.desilva.co.uk [212.19.64.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA6214DEE for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 02:51:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david@desilva.co.uk) Received: from davidds (gate.netcomconsult.co.uk [212.19.64.126]) by avon.desilva.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA07021 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:51:25 GMT (envelope-from david@desilva.co.uk) Received: from 212.19.76.23 by barney.netcomconsult.co.uk Tue, 21 Dec 1999 10:53:32 -0000 Message-ID: <001101bf4c6a$50719a90$174c13d4@imperium.tele2.net.uk> From: "David De Silva" To: References: <006101bf4c58$230079d0$174c13d4@imperium.tele2.net.uk> <3860A56F.D33F1FAE@yta.attmil.ne.jp> Subject: Re: Web resources Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:50:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks Robert. The link to Ron Minnich's page was particularly useful. = I'm collecting 'obsoleted' hardware from work with a view to building a = 4 node cluster at home. Any larger than 4 is likely to be the cause of a = "domestic dispute" ;-) > I am trying to get a copy of the Extreme Linux CD that describes how = to > setup a Beowulf using Red Hat Linux v5.2. I know this is an old = version > of RH but I figure it is still useful information that can be used to > setup a Beowulf in general. I suspect the packages (PVM,MPI,etc) are out of date too but the = documentation may be useful. I've gleaned all of mine from various = Beowulf-related sites, and the important software is in FreeBSD's ports = collection. > Hopefully a site devoted to Beowulfing with FreeBSD will soon be > available. I am not sure why people don't seem to be using FreeBSD = for > this task. It's superior networking capabilities would seem to lend = it > very well to such a task. Most of the Beowulf/Linux material is applicable to BSD too, but I guess = i'd like to see a site up simply from a BSD advocacy perspective. People = are using it but no-one's shouting about it. I'm surprised that = extremebsd.org is unregistered. Any takers, or shall I do it? . Best regards, David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Wed Dec 22 3:13:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B877015081 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 03:13:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03269; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:13:25 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id MAA32018; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:13:24 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:13:24 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Robert Hugh Force II Cc: David De Silva , freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web resources Message-ID: <19991222121324.P18739@bitbox.follo.net> References: <006101bf4c58$230079d0$174c13d4@imperium.tele2.net.uk> <3860A56F.D33F1FAE@yta.attmil.ne.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <3860A56F.D33F1FAE@yta.attmil.ne.jp>; from tiberius@yta.attmil.ne.jp on Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 07:18:23PM +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 07:18:23PM +0900, Robert Hugh Force II wrote: > David, > > I asked the same question earlier this month. My search for web sites > that support/discuss Beowulfing with FreeBSD has been fruitless up to this > point. AFAIK, there are no pages on this; I suspect one of the reasons is that "Beowulfing" isn't considered difficult enough to need a web page. It is just something you do if appropriate. > http://www.hensa.ac.uk/parallel > Internet Parallel Computing Archive - A complete reference site > about everything that concerns parallel computing. I'm not sure if this is in the reference collection - Jeroen, will you add it if not? > http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/Research/rapid_sweb/SWEB.html > SWEB - Towards a Scalable World Wide Web Server on Multicomputers This one is not in the reference collection, I'm pretty sure. > Hopefully a site devoted to Beowulfing with FreeBSD will soon be > available. Do you want to make one? Or a section for the main FreeBSD clustering site? > I am not sure why people don't seem to be using FreeBSD for this > task. It's superior networking capabilities would seem to lend it > very well to such a task. Actually, for a Beowulf-type cluster, I don't think FreeBSD's networking capabilities matter that much - the kind of tasks that a Beowulf is good at are computing focused, not network focused. If your Beowulf couldn't use wet string as its communications medium, I would look carefully for a solution that isn't a Beowulf. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Wed Dec 22 4:10:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from avon.desilva.co.uk (avon.desilva.co.uk [212.19.64.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81598154BD for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 04:10:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david@desilva.co.uk) Received: from davidds (gate.netcomconsult.co.uk [212.19.64.126]) by avon.desilva.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA07204 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:10:27 GMT (envelope-from david@desilva.co.uk) Received: from 212.19.76.23 by barney.netcomconsult.co.uk Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:12:34 -0000 Message-ID: <001f01bf4c75$5aecdba0$174c13d4@imperium.tele2.net.uk> From: "David De Silva" To: References: <006101bf4c58$230079d0$174c13d4@imperium.tele2.net.uk> <3860A56F.D33F1FAE@yta.attmil.ne.jp> <19991222121324.P18739@bitbox.follo.net> Subject: Re: Web resources Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:09:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Do you want to make one? Or a section for the main FreeBSD clustering > site? I wasn't aware there was a FreeBSD clustering site. I can't find any = reference to it. > AFAIK, there are no pages on this; I suspect one of the reasons is > that "Beowulfing" isn't considered difficult enough to need a web site Maybe, but it would be good to see a "one-stop-shop" reference site that = does a bit of BSD flag-waving in the process. Regards, David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Wed Dec 22 4:20:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.bart.nl (lucifer.bart.nl [194.158.168.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7651015476 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 04:20:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@lucifer.bart.nl) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by lucifer.bart.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA42678; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:20:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:20:09 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: David De Silva Cc: freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web resources Message-ID: <19991222132009.L38722@lucifer.bart.nl> References: <006101bf4c58$230079d0$174c13d4@imperium.tele2.net.uk> <3860A56F.D33F1FAE@yta.attmil.ne.jp> <19991222121324.P18739@bitbox.follo.net> <001f01bf4c75$5aecdba0$174c13d4@imperium.tele2.net.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <001f01bf4c75$5aecdba0$174c13d4@imperium.tele2.net.uk>; from david@desilva.co.uk on Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 12:09:09PM -0000 Organisation: bART Internet Services B.V. Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [19991222 13:15], David De Silva (david@desilva.co.uk) wrote: >> Do you want to make one? Or a section for the main FreeBSD clustering >> site? > >I wasn't aware there was a FreeBSD clustering site. I can't find any >reference to it. We are in low-profile mode at the moment. Feel free to look at lucifer.bart.nl/~asmodai/projects/Hydra Just keep a tad bit quiet about it for now. =) >> AFAIK, there are no pages on this; I suspect one of the reasons is >> that "Beowulfing" isn't considered difficult enough to need a web site > >Maybe, but it would be good to see a "one-stop-shop" reference site >that does a bit of BSD flag-waving in the process. I think the above is what you might mean. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator bART Internet Services / Tel: +31 - (0) 10 - 240 39 70 VIA NET.WORKS Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Wed Dec 22 4:22:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22DB314F07 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 04:22:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04463; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:22:29 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id NAA32348; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:22:28 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:22:28 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: David De Silva Cc: freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web resources Message-ID: <19991222132227.Q18739@bitbox.follo.net> References: <006101bf4c58$230079d0$174c13d4@imperium.tele2.net.uk> <3860A56F.D33F1FAE@yta.attmil.ne.jp> <19991222121324.P18739@bitbox.follo.net> <001f01bf4c75$5aecdba0$174c13d4@imperium.tele2.net.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <001f01bf4c75$5aecdba0$174c13d4@imperium.tele2.net.uk>; from david@desilva.co.uk on Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 12:09:09PM -0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 12:09:09PM -0000, David De Silva wrote: > > Do you want to make one? Or a section for the main FreeBSD clustering > > site? > > I wasn't aware there was a FreeBSD clustering site. I can't find any > reference to it. This is because it isn't finished yet. There is background work going on to make it ready for presentation, and thus make this mailing list ready for going public. > > AFAIK, there are no pages on this; I suspect one of the reasons is > > that "Beowulfing" isn't considered difficult enough to need a web site > > Maybe, but it would be good to see a "one-stop-shop" reference site > that does a bit of BSD flag-waving in the process. Yup - details on how to set up clusters for various purposes will be part of the web site at some point, but this require contributors to help write them. I'm feeding information to Jeroen, who is presently the one functioning as editor for the web site, but getting this together take time, especially as both Jeroen and I have a lot of other things we work on besides the clustering project. (Clustering is my next intended project after finishing fixing stacking layers; I have to restrict myself from switching projects halfway, as then I never get anything actually finished. And stacking layers is a prerequisiste for some of the things I want to do WRT clustering, anyway.) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Wed Dec 22 6:41:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from acl.lanl.gov (acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E6FA14DB9 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 06:41:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rminnich@lanl.gov) Received: from localhost (rminnich@localhost) by acl.lanl.gov (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA275978; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:41:21 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: acl.lanl.gov: rminnich owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:41:21 -0700 From: "Ronald G. Minnich" To: David De Silva Cc: freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web resources In-Reply-To: <006101bf4c58$230079d0$174c13d4@imperium.tele2.net.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG beowulf + freebsd is a misnomer, since beowulf is pretty specifically linux (just ask don becker -- I did). freebsd clusters, well, see my web page. ron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Wed Dec 22 6:48: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from acl.lanl.gov (acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FF314D70 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 06:48:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rminnich@lanl.gov) Received: from localhost (rminnich@localhost) by acl.lanl.gov (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA276568 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:48:00 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: acl.lanl.gov: rminnich owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:48:00 -0700 From: "Ronald G. Minnich" To: freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web resources In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG besides, I don't even LIKE beowulf as a name. Can't we do better? ron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Wed Dec 22 6:56:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D996E15530 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 06:56:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07303; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:56:16 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id PAA33122; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:56:15 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:56:15 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: "Ronald G. Minnich" Cc: freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web resources Message-ID: <19991222155615.U18739@bitbox.follo.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from rminnich@lanl.gov on Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 07:48:00AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 07:48:00AM -0700, Ronald G. Minnich wrote: > besides, I don't even LIKE beowulf as a name. Can't we do better? Jeroen and I were thinking of 'Hydra' - but other suggestions are of course welcome. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Wed Dec 22 6:59:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from avon.desilva.co.uk (avon.desilva.co.uk [212.19.64.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19C7A154B1 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 06:59:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david@desilva.co.uk) Received: from davidds (gate.netcomconsult.co.uk [212.19.64.126]) by avon.desilva.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA07603; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:59:46 GMT (envelope-from david@desilva.co.uk) Received: from 212.19.76.23 by barney.netcomconsult.co.uk Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:01:53 -0000 Message-ID: <009701bf4c8d$00b89620$174c13d4@imperium.tele2.net.uk> From: "David De Silva" To: "Ronald G. Minnich" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Web resources Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:58:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > besides, I don't even LIKE beowulf as a name. Can't we do better? I'd suggest Zaphod but it might imply it's restricted to 2 nodes :-)=20 Hydra's good. Or Borg? > beowulf + freebsd is a misnomer, since beowulf is pretty specifically > linux (just ask don becker -- I did).=20 Extract from the Beowulf mailing list FAQ at = http://www.dnaco.net/~kragen/beowulf-faq.txt 1. What's a Beowulf? [1999-05-13] It's a kind of high-performance massively parallel computer built primarily out of commodity hardware components, running a free-software operating system like Linux or FreeBSD, interconnected by a private high-speed network. /David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Wed Dec 22 8:48:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from yta.attmil.ne.jp (yta.attmil.ne.jp [165.76.24.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5710C15041 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:48:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tiberius@yta.attmil.ne.jp) Received: from yta.attmil.ne.jp (02.gate0.yokota.attmil.ne.jp [165.76.24.33]) by yta.attmil.ne.jp (8.8.8+Spin/3.6W-CONS(11/09/99)) id BAA03883; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 01:48:36 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <38610100.2D3330D7@yta.attmil.ne.jp> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 01:49:04 +0900 From: Robert Hugh Force II X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David De Silva Cc: "Ronald G. Minnich" , freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web resources References: <009701bf4c8d$00b89620$174c13d4@imperium.tele2.net.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David, Beowulf, in my opinion, refers to a class or type of computer (in this case a clustered computer). Ronald's extract from the Beowulf mailing list tends to support that view point. A Beowulf class cluster computer could be named anything and still be a Beowulf class cluster computer. A well chosen name to distinguish a Beowulf running FreeBSD from other Beowulf computers would be, I think, a good thing to have. Beowulf is the title character and hero of an anonymous, alliterative Old English epic poem about the Danish people and the founding of the Danish House. I have not read or heard of why the original Beowulf was given that name. Does anyone know? The University of Spain at Barcelona (http://www.maia.ub.es/dsg/hidra/index.html) has a Beowulf class computer they call Hidra. I am not sure why it is spelled with an I instead of a Y, but a good picture of the mythical Hydra beast is on their web page. Greek mythology tells us the HYDRA was a serpent with nine heads, one of which was immortal. This would seem to be an excellent example of 'clustering', even if it is mythological. Another definition of hydra is a many-sided problem that persists or grows worse even after part of it is solved. This would seem to fit a Beowulf class cluster computer. The many-sided problem of maintaining and using a Beowulf would tend to persist for a long time after solving any parts of the puzzle. A third definition of Hydra is a constellation of the southern sky that is the largest of all. We would want the FreeBSD based Beowulf to be the largest and best known of all, wouldn't we? I like the idea of using HYDRA to denote a Beowulf class cluster computer. By the way, I am not familiar with the details of the "Hitch Hikers Guide to the Universe". Why would Zaphod imply it is restricted to two nodes? Bob "Use the" Force fMFG David De Silva wrote: > > besides, I don't even LIKE beowulf as a name. Can't we do better? > > I'd suggest Zaphod but it might imply it's restricted to 2 nodes :-) > > Hydra's good. Or Borg? > > > beowulf + freebsd is a misnomer, since beowulf is pretty specifically > > linux (just ask don becker -- I did). > > Extract from the Beowulf mailing list FAQ at http://www.dnaco.net/~kragen/beowulf-faq.txt > > 1. What's a Beowulf? [1999-05-13] > > It's a kind of high-performance massively parallel computer built > primarily out of commodity hardware components, running a free-software > operating system like Linux or FreeBSD, interconnected by a private > high-speed network. > > /David > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Wed Dec 22 9: 8:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from avon.desilva.co.uk (avon.desilva.co.uk [212.19.64.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEEC14CE6 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:08:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david@desilva.co.uk) Received: from davidds (gate.netcomconsult.co.uk [212.19.64.126]) by avon.desilva.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA08051 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:08:28 GMT (envelope-from david@desilva.co.uk) Received: from 212.19.76.23 by barney.netcomconsult.co.uk Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:10:35 -0000 Message-ID: <022401bf4c9e$f9d2f8c0$174c13d4@imperium.tele2.net.uk> From: "David De Silva" To: References: <009701bf4c8d$00b89620$174c13d4@imperium.tele2.net.uk> <38610100.2D3330D7@yta.attmil.ne.jp> Subject: Re: Web resources Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:07:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > By the way, I am not familiar with the details of the "Hitch Hikers = Guide to the > Universe". Why would Zaphod imply it is restricted to two nodes? He only(!) has two heads. In the BBC TV adaptation, one of them was = (unsurprisingly) rather quiet and expressionless. /David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Thu Dec 23 12: 0:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from acl.lanl.gov (acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD1B15613 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:00:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rminnich@lanl.gov) Received: from localhost (rminnich@localhost) by acl.lanl.gov (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA343816 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 13:00:08 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: acl.lanl.gov: rminnich owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 13:00:08 -0700 From: "Ronald G. Minnich" To: freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web resources In-Reply-To: <19991222155615.U18739@bitbox.follo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hydra was taken quite a while back. Nice name, thoguh. ron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Fri Dec 24 4: 4:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.bart.nl (lucifer.bart.nl [194.158.168.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134C114FE6 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 04:04:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@lucifer.bart.nl) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by lucifer.bart.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA66500; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:04:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:04:13 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: "Ronald G. Minnich" Cc: freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web resources Message-ID: <19991224130413.E38722@lucifer.bart.nl> References: <19991222155615.U18739@bitbox.follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from rminnich@lanl.gov on Thu, Dec 23, 1999 at 01:00:08PM -0700 Organisation: bART Internet Services B.V. Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [19991223 21:05], Ronald G. Minnich (rminnich@lanl.gov) wrote: >hydra was taken quite a while back. Nice name, thoguh. Yeah well, it is hard to find unique names nowadays. And Eivind and me both found the metaphorical envisioning of the Hydra with his spawning heads to be a good relation to clustering, spawning of processes and the like. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator bART Internet Services / Tel: +31 - (0) 10 - 240 39 70 VIA NET.WORKS Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-cluster Fri Dec 24 22:40:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org Received: from yta.attmil.ne.jp (yta.attmil.ne.jp [165.76.24.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD67151E4 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 22:40:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tiberius@yta.attmil.ne.jp) Received: from yta.attmil.ne.jp (01.gate1.yokota.attmil.ne.jp [165.76.24.80]) by yta.attmil.ne.jp (8.8.8+Spin/3.6W-CONS(11/09/99)) id PAA27375; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 15:40:51 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <38646710.40ADE3AA@yta.attmil.ne.jp> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 15:41:20 +0900 From: Robert Hugh Force II X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "cluster@freebsd.org" Subject: [Fwd: Announcing FAI 1.0 (Fully automatic Installation)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-cluster@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greetings, FAI uses the Debian GNU/Linux distribution, scripts amd PERL to perform what is called a Fully Automatic Installation (FAI). This would seem to be a good utility to have in any O/S that will be used to support cluster computers. I have downloaded the distribution but have not yet looked at the files. Is this something that should be looked at for possible inclusion into FreeBSD cluster computing? Bob Force fMFG -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Announcing FAI 1.0 (Fully automatic Installation) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 20:14:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Wheeler To: beowulf@beowulf.org --- Forwarded message from amacater@galactic.demon.co.uk on Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:47:15 +0000 --- --- Forwarded message from Thomas Lange --- Envelope-to: amacater@galactic.demon.co.uk Resent-Date: 21 Dec 1999 17:30:23 -0000 X-Envelope-Sender: lange@informatik.Uni-Koeln.DE From: Thomas Lange Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:30:14 +0100 (MET) To: debian-admintool@lists.debian.org, debian-boot@lists.debian.org, debian-devel@lists.debian.org Subject: Announcing FAI 1.0 (Fully automatic Installation) X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under Emacs 19.34.1 Resent-From: debian-devel@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51382 X-Loop: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Resent-Sender: debian-devel-request@lists.debian.org I'm very happy to announce the first release of FAI (Fully automatic installation). FAI is a non interactive system to install a Debian Linux operating system on a PC cluster. You can take one or more virgin PCs, turn on the power and after a few minutes Linux is installed, configured and running on the whole cluster, without any interaction necessary. In addition, the configuration can be changed automatically on all Linux cluster nodes. Thus you have a scalable method for installing and updating a cluster with little effort involved. We use the Debian distribution and a collection of shell- and Perl-scripts for the installation process. Changes to the configuration files of the operating system are made by the tool cfengine. The home page for FAI is http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ FAI is free software, distributed under the terms of the GNU Public License, version 2. For more information, see the file COPYING. There is no warranty, expressed or implied, associated with this product. Use at your own risk. Comments, bug reports, fixes, enhancements etc. are welcome. Send them to fai@informatik.uni-koeln.de FAI for Linux is created by: Mattias Gaertner Thomas Lange Jens Ruehmkorf I hope you enjoy the fully automatically installation ! -- Thomas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Lange Institut fuer Informatik mailto:lange@informatik.Uni-Koeln.DE Universitaet zu Koeln Pohligstr. 1 Telefon: +49 221 470 5303 50969 Koeln Fax : +49 221 470 5317 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [forwarded to beowulf list(s) by: -- Martin Wheeler - StarTEXT - Glastonbury - BA6 9PH - England mwheeler@startext.co.uk http://www.startext.co.uk/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message body containing "unsubscribe" to beowulf-request@beowulf.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-cluster" in the body of the message