From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 01:15:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA21615 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 01:15:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from orcrist.mediacity.com (orcrist.mediacity.com [208.138.36.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA21610 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 01:15:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gsutter@orcrist.mediacity.com) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by orcrist.mediacity.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA22826; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 01:14:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gsutter) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 01:14:58 -0800 From: Gregory Sutter To: Peter Wemm Cc: Greg Lehey , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required. Message-ID: <19990101011458.D21516@orcrist.mediacity.com> References: <19990101164920.O41841@freebie.lemis.com> <199901010755.PAA95330@spinner.netplex.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <199901010755.PAA95330@spinner.netplex.com.au>; from Peter Wemm on Fri, Jan 01, 1999 at 03:55:07PM +0800 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 01, 1999 at 03:55:07PM +0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: > > On Friday, 1 January 1999 at 16:14:04 +1030, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > On Fri, 1 Jan 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:51:53 +875500 > > >> > > >> This is the second message today I got with a completely crazy time > > >> zone offset (which put you back two days in my inbox listing). Does > > >> anybody have any idea why? > > > > > > Y2K? :-) > > > > Y1.999K. Turns out it was a bug in mutt. > > Ewww... It's started already... :-O > > I think I'll try to arrange to be at least 100 kilometers from the nearest > computer in about 12 months time... Maybe I'll switch to a different mailer, as I sit in my cabin in the mountains and gweep using ricochet and solar power. Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter The best way to accelerate Windows mailto:gsutter@pobox.com is at 9.8 m/s^2. http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 02:51:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA27329 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 02:51:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA27297; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 02:50:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id LAA00787; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:50:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA09354; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:50:07 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from j) Message-ID: <19990101115006.46076@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:50:06 +0100 From: J Wunsch To: committers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required. Reply-To: Joerg Wunsch References: <199812311615.IAA15286@hub.freebsd.org> <199812312006.MAA01368@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <199812312006.MAA01368@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Thu, Dec 31, 1998 at 12:06:18PM -0800 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Mike Smith wrote: > Now is not a good time for a -core member to be demonstrating personal > bias over established convention with regards to the FreeBSD source tree. Just for the records: it's _not_ only his personal bias, but Jonathan got the collective OK from the core-team for this import, considering the possible side-effects. We believe this was the best decision to do right now. This doesn't mean things could and should not be reconsidered after e. g. a year. You could note that there are precendent cases for both, software going out of the regular tree into ports and vice versa, so if vmailer turned out to be used by only a small minority, there's no fear it could not be moved into a port then. Apart from this, i agree with Poul-Henning here (and you might notice i didn't always agree with him during the recent couple of weeks :), this discussion is only a waste of bandwidth. Nobody is hurt by vmailer, people who love sendmail (like me) or even need it (for UUCP, like me :) still have it, people who are looking for an alternative that's easier to configure have the option as well. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 03:00:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA28240 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 03:00:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA28197 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 03:00:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id JAA22673; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:47:00 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199901010847.JAA22673@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: -DKERNEL option when compiling kernels ? To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:47:00 +0100 (MET) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199812311847.KAA00785@dingo.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at Dec 31, 98 10:47:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > >Couldn't it also go into opt_global.h ? > > > > It could, but it doesn't belong there since it is not optional. > > ... but it is a global option for the files in question. well it is just a very minor thing, anyways. Now if there was a way to put all compile options somewhere so that the make output does not show three lines for each file... cc -c -O -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wuninitialized -Wformat -Wunused -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -DKERNEL -include opt_global.h -aout vers.c luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 03:15:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA29247 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 03:15:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA29242 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 03:15:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA22595; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:15:09 +1100 Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:15:09 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199901011115.WAA22595@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: -DKERNEL option when compiling kernels ? Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >well it is just a very minor thing, anyways. Now if there was a >way to put all compile options somewhere so that the make output >does not show three lines for each file... > >cc -c -O -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit -Wnested-externs >-Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline >-Wuninitialized -Wformat -Wunused -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- >-I. -I../.. -I../../../include -DKERNEL -include opt_global.h -aout vers.c If you can solve that, then -DKERNEL is worth hiding too. I have a few options in /etc/make.conf that give another 2 lines of output. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 03:20:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA29793 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 03:20:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA29788 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 03:20:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id MAA01261; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:20:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA09417; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:09:14 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from j) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:09:14 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199901011109.MAA09417@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.8 Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Organization: Private BSD site, Dresden X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E References: <199812291143.MAA03723@Old-Man.Home> <19981229221203.55044@breizh.prism.uvsq.fr> In-Reply-To: <19981229221203.55044@breizh.prism.uvsq.fr> From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) Subject: Re: nlpt & polling mode didn't work X-Original-Newsgroups: local.freebsd.current To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG cc: Alexander Leidinger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nicolas Souchu wrote: >>config: >>controller ppbus1 >>device nlpt1 at ppbus1 >>device ppc1 at isa? port 0x3bc tty >> > > What's your chipset? Btw., the question about which printer also belongs here. I didn't look at nlpt yet, but i remember i once had to tweak lpt in order to print with decent speed on some HP DeskJet printers since the deskjets seem to have a very weird signal handling (they delay one of the signals, apparently to work around bugs in the SM-DOS printer driver). If nlpt doesn't have these tweaks so far (you can find them in the CVS diff), this could result in very slow printing (like one page per several minutes) even in interrupt mode. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 04:07:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA04485 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 04:07:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA04479 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 04:07:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/Netplex) with ESMTP id UAA96067; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:05:47 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199901011205.UAA96067@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Bruce Evans cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, mike@smith.net.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -DKERNEL option when compiling kernels ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 01 Jan 1999 22:15:09 +1100." <199901011115.WAA22595@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 20:05:46 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bruce Evans wrote: > >well it is just a very minor thing, anyways. Now if there was a > >way to put all compile options somewhere so that the make output > >does not show three lines for each file... > > > >cc -c -O -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit -Wnested-exter ns > >-Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline > >-Wuninitialized -Wformat -Wunused -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- > >-I. -I../.. -I../../../include -DKERNEL -include opt_global.h -aout vers. c > > If you can solve that, then -DKERNEL is worth hiding too. > > I have a few options in /etc/make.conf that give another 2 lines of > output. Hmm.. As well as everything depending on opt_global.h, how about having it depend on something like ./compile, and build it along the lines of: ./compile: mumble echo "#! /bin/sh" > compile.new echo "exec ${CC} -c ${CFLAGS} ${PROF} $$*" >> compile.new chmod a+x compile.new move-if-change compile.new compile ./assemble: mumble ... And then: NORMAL_C= ./compile $< .. NORMAL_S= ./assemble $< etc. The trick would be to keep ./compile and ./assemble up to date. Doing a cmp and change or something might be enough since it would be evaluated at each startup.. Then, the average compile output lines would look like this: .... ./compile kern_exec.c ./compile kern_fork.c .... ./assemble support.s Of course, this would cost a shell startup for each file, but on the grand scheme of things I'd be suprised if it was reliably measurable considering all the nesting, recursion and other horrid things that happen in the make environment. > Bruce Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 04:22:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05642 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 04:22:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from host.phc.igs.net (host.phc.igs.net [207.210.17.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA05637 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 04:22:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eagle@phc.igs.net) Received: from bsd.home ([207.210.17.119]) by host.phc.igs.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA12635 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 07:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from eagle@localhost) by bsd.home (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA62273 for current@freebsd.org; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:19:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from eagle) Message-Id: <199812311219.HAA62273@bsd.home> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:19:16 -0500 (EST) From: eagle Subject: MakeWorld Fails with fresh source To: current@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After last week's removal of several pieces of the source tree, I deleted my ./src directory and completely rebuilt it, with a cvs co. i'm noticing that as of 3 days ago, buildworld was failing on legacy lkm's. and this morning buildworld is failing at this point ===> sys/modules/syscons/logo cd: can't cd to /usr/src/sys/modules/syscons/logo *** Error code 2. just wanted to let you all know :). BOB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 05:37:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA10598 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 05:37:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ihgw2.lucent.com (ihgw2.lucent.com [207.19.48.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA10590 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 05:37:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmobrien@ihgw2.lucent.com) Cc: Eric Chet Received: from llama.bazzle.com by ihig2.firewall.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-L sol2) id HAA07697; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 07:24:26 -0600 Received: from localhost (dob@localhost) by llama.bazzle.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA25612; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 08:36:31 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: llama.bazzle.com: dob owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 08:36:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan O'Brien" X-Sender: dmobrien@localhost To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Original-cc: Eric Chet Subject: July 12th aout system buildworld fails in librpcsvc Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I got past my problem yesterday with some offline help and now my aout system is blowing up during buildworld in librpcsvc: cc -O -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -pipe -DYP -I/usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/rpcsvc -I/usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -I/usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c nfs_prot_xdr.c -o nfs_prot_xdr.o In file included from nfs_prot_xdr.c:6: /usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/rpcsvc/nfs_prot.h:265: parse error before `uint64' ... ton of errors about parse errors, unknown types. (I tried making includes, share/mk...) This problem first appears in the current mail archives around 12/23 and there has been no positive suggestion how to clear it. Anyone else get past this? (One poster said NTF, but 2-3 others had same problem.) Are we aout folks stranded? I wanted to get aout current before I plunge into elf. Should I just aout-to-elf-build/install (my aout system is July 12th old)? Thanks in advance, Dan O'Brien Work: 614-860-2392 Page: 614-520-5001 Home: 740-927-2178 Home2: 740-927-2955 ---------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 06:05:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12347 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 06:05:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lonegunman.xfiles.org.uk (lonegunman.xfiles.org.uk [194.200.230.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA12340 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 06:05:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benhutch@lonegunman.xfiles.org.uk) Received: (from benhutch@localhost) by lonegunman.xfiles.org.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA54584; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:04:54 GMT (envelope-from benhutch) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:04:54 +0000 From: Ben Hutchinson To: Scott Barron Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WordPerfect8 (Was Re: Trouble with Staroffice5.0) Message-ID: <19990101140454.B52303@xfiles.org.uk> References: <19981231214412.C4306@ns1.adsu.bellsouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from Scott Barron on Thu, Dec 31, 1998 at 09:36:05PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Do you have the linux emulation KLD loaded? Ie: root@lonegunman:/# kldstat -n linux Id Refs Address Size Name 3 1 0xf1314000 d000 linux.ko If you get: root@lonegunman:/# kldstat -n linux kldstat: can't find file linux: No such file or directory It ain't loaded, that's your problem. Load it with "kldload linux" Edit the linux_enable line in /etc/rc.conf to sort this out on a permanant basis. - Ben On Thu, Dec 31, 1998 at 09:36:05PM -0600, Scott Barron wrote: > Does it have to be an ELF system? The install is failing here with > errors of ELF binary type not known. Ah well, regardless its time I get rid of > a.out anyway. Good thing its a long weekend :) > > -Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 06:41:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA18095 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 06:41:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from esmeralda.xaa.iae.nl (esmeralda.xaa.iae.nl [194.151.75.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA18090 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 06:41:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@xaa.iae.nl) Received: from ariel.xaa.iae.nl (ariel.xaa.iae.nl [194.151.75.10]) by esmeralda.xaa.iae.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3275D; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:40:59 +0100 (MET) Received: by ariel.xaa.iae.nl (Postfix, from userid 1008) id 709783EC8; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:40:59 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:40:59 +0100 From: Mark Huizer To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required. Message-ID: <19990101154059.A4540@ariel.xaa.iae.nl> References: <199812311330.FAA29862@hub.freebsd.org> <24650.915112822@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <24650.915112822@axl.noc.iafrica.com>; from Sheldon Hearn on Thu, Dec 31, 1998 at 04:00:22PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > well....that's a sticky question, we quickly get into the realm of > > opinion > > You're right, and I have no wish to pour fuel on menacing embers. > However, I would like to suggest that it might be more appropriate as a > port until FreeBSD starts shipping _without_ sendmail. It seems silly to > have both in the src tree. > > If this comment does not generate a "Wow, he's absolutely right", I > beseech fellow list members to leave it alone altogether. It's only an > opinion and doesn't require discussion if it isn't massively supported > by people who count. :-) > Having both is a bit overdone, I agree. But we need some mail support since few packages (daily, cron, etc) seem to definitely want to use it for reporting. A risky suggestion might be to make postfix the only one in there. Why? It's probably a lot easier to configure for starting or small users, since editing the postfix configs is easier than editing sendmail configs. And it's a small fast tool for that kind of stuff, I think. I wonder what hell would break lose if we 'demoted' sendmail to the portstree though. Mark -- Nice testing in little China... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 06:51:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA19563 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 06:51:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from isbalham.ist.co.uk (isbalham.ist.co.uk [192.31.26.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA19557 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 06:51:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from gid.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by isbalham.ist.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id OAA12304; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:50:35 GMT (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from [194.32.164.2] by seagoon.gid.co.uk; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:46:42 GMT X-Sender: rb@194.32.164.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990101125155.B41841@freebie.lemis.com> References: <19981231205153.A6127@mad>; from Tim Vanderhoek on Tue, Dec 29, 1998 at 04:51:53AM +2355 <199901010056.QAA11028@hub.freebsd.org> <19981231205153.A6127@mad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:46:41 +0000 To: Greg Lehey From: Bob Bishop Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required. Cc: Tim Vanderhoek , "Jonathan M. Bresler" , green@unixhelp.org, mark@grondar.za, donegan@quick.net, scrappy@hub.org, dcs@newsguy.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, At 12:51 pm +1030 1/1/99, Greg Lehey wrote: >On Tuesday, 29 December 1998 at 4:51:53 +2355, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > >Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:51:53 +875500 > >This is the second message today I got with a completely crazy time >zone offset (which put you back two days in my inbox listing). Does >anybody have any idea why? Perhaps he's not using sendmail :-) :-) :-) -- Bob Bishop (0118) 977 4017 international code +44 118 rb@gid.co.uk fax (0118) 989 4254 between 0800 and 1800 UK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 07:25:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA22306 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 07:25:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA22294; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 07:25:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 07:25:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901011525.HAA22294@hub.freebsd.org> From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: dillon@apollo.backplane.com, scrappy@hub.org CC: grog@lemis.com, donegan@quick.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from The Hermit Hacker on Thu, 31 Dec 1998 23:09:59 -0400 (AST)) Subject: Re: sendmail throughput (was: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required.) References: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs > Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 23:09:59 -0400 (AST) > From: The Hermit Hacker > cc: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , grog@lemis.com, donegan@quick.net, > current@FreeBSD.ORG > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > On Thu, 31 Dec 1998, Matthew Dillon wrote: > > > : > > : current has 1411 subscribers. each wonts to get the message > > : first! if we do 100 messages a day that's only 141,100 > > > > What, only 1411? yes, freebsd-current is only 1411 subscribers. you deleted the part about delivery rate. delivery rate is very important. imagine receiving mail 30 minutes or 3 hours later than everyone else on the list. make participation difficult and fustrating. > > > > The sendmail limitation you are discussing is a basic queueing / DNS > > resolver limitation that is relatively easy to solve. Postfix is > > almost certainly faster, but it makes no sense to put postfix > > in our base distribution just because you have a 1400 user mailing > > list and your list software doesn't break them up a little before > > starting up sendmail! > > have to agree there...I run one list that is 9k+ subscribers, through > sendmail, and use jbl(?) to break them up into smaller, more manageable > and faster to process chunks... i have used bulk_mailer by kieth moore of the univ of tenn. to break the lists up into small bite size chunks for sendmail....does not do as well as postfix. could you provide an example please. /etc/aliases lines, how long to make one delivery attempt to every address, other info? something solid. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 07:49:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23766 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 07:49:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from matrix.42.org (matrix.42.org [194.246.250.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23761 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 07:49:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sec@42.org) Received: (from sec@localhost) by matrix.42.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id QAA28555 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org (sender ); Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:48:45 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:48:45 +0100 From: Stefan `Sec` Zehl To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wanton Atticizing is bad Message-ID: <19990101164844.A28531@matrix.42.org> X-Current-Backlog: 381 messages References: <68606.914783086@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.10i In-Reply-To: <68606.914783086@critter.freebsd.dk>; from Poul-Henning Kamp on Sun, Dec 27, 1998 at 07:30:24PM +0100 I-love-doing-this: really Accept-Languages: de, en X-URL: http://sec.42.org/ Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Dec 27, 1998 at 07:30:24PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message , Brian > >> IPFILTER > > > >Wasn't this _just_recently_ committed? Why commit it in the first place if > >noone really wants it? Personally, I use IPFW. > > Yeah, the jury is still out on this one... Any users out there ? Here! I use it, and it suits my needs very well. CU, Sec -- Ich glaube die schrecklichste Erfindung der Menschheit war die Uhr. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 08:00:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA24868 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 08:00:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA24861; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 08:00:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05747; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:40:13 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:40:12 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: "Steven P. Donegan" , Mark Murray , The Hermit Hacker , "Jonathan M. Bresler" , committers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required. Message-ID: <19981231184012.A3517@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <368BB247.886FB8DA@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <368BB247.886FB8DA@newsguy.com>; from Daniel C. Sobral on Fri, Jan 01, 1999 at 02:20:07AM +0900 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 01, 1999 at 02:20:07AM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Sigh. I ought to have kept my mouth shut about this. Anyway, it is > *not* being proposed to make Postfix default or removing sendmail. > Though, from what I have heard so far, that is the *LONG TERM* plan. > The idea is putting Postfix on the contrib as a way to make it > further easier to choose Postfix during installation, and thus > "push" Postfix as an alternative. I have no real problem with pushing PostFix as an alternative to Sendmail at installation time. However, I still don't see why it's not being done as a port/package. From the perspective of someone installing FreeBSD, it's just a checkbox they have to select -- they don't care which one is part of the base system and which one is coming from ports. I thought we were slowly moving to a more modularised, package-ised approach to the base system. To me this (PostFix in contrib/, instead of as a port) looks like a retrograde step. N -- C.R.F. Consulting -- we're run to make me richer. . . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 08:01:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA25135 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 08:01:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from megaweapon.zigg.com (megaweapon.zigg.com [206.114.60.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA25130 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 08:01:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@zigg.com) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by megaweapon.zigg.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13878; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:00:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from matt@zigg.com) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:00:30 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Behrens To: Doug cc: Brian Feldman , gmarco@giovannelli.it, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wanton Atticizing is bad In-Reply-To: <368B1E9D.C367BED1@san.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Possibly related but maybe not. :) What I was seeing is that form submissions were hanging. I submitted a PR a long time ago and don't know what came of it. I started running squid instead and have been very happy with it since. That doesn't even sound like something natd is capable of :) On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, Doug wrote: : Matt Behrens wrote: : : > You can create the same effect, but lose all of squid's extra : > benefits like caching. I have also noticed that ppp -alias (which : > uses the same code as natd, AFAIR) fails to submit some forms : > properly using Netscape on a Windows box (probably Netscape's : > fault). This bug might be long-gone though :) : : I recently set up a 2.2.8 natd box with apache and several vhosts on : it. When I try to access the vhosts directly via windows netscape from : behind the natd box I get only the document root. I haven't dug into : this in detail yet, but I believe you're describing the same problem I'm : seeing. : : Doug : - Matt "Zigg" Behrens Network Administrator, zigg.com Engineer, Nameless IRC Network To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 08:16:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA25715 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 08:16:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ywing.creative.net.au (flannan.keble.ox.ac.uk [163.1.137.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA25701 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 08:15:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adrian@ywing.creative.net.au) Received: from ywing.creative.net.au (localhost.creative.net.au [127.0.0.1]) by ywing.creative.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA05217 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:15:01 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <199901011615.RAA05217@ywing.creative.net.au> To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wanton Atticizing is bad In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 01 Jan 1999 11:00:30 EST." Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 17:14:55 +0100 From: Adrian Chadd Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matt Behrens writes: >Possibly related but maybe not. :) > >What I was seeing is that form submissions were hanging. I submitted >a PR a long time ago and don't know what came of it. I started >running squid instead and have been very happy with it since. > >That doesn't even sound like something natd is capable of :) > >On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, Doug wrote: > >: Matt Behrens wrote: >: >: > You can create the same effect, but lose all of squid's extra >: > benefits like caching. I have also noticed that ppp -alias (which >: > uses the same code as natd, AFAIR) fails to submit some forms >: > properly using Netscape on a Windows box (probably Netscape's >: > fault). This bug might be long-gone though :) >: >: I recently set up a 2.2.8 natd box with apache and several vhosts on >: it. When I try to access the vhosts directly via windows netscape from >: behind the natd box I get only the document root. I haven't dug into >: this in detail yet, but I believe you're describing the same problem I'm >: seeing. >: >: Doug Try restarting the browser, and then go to a document behind root, without going to the document first. It might be some braindead half-closed persistent connection that is confusing natd . (A tcpdump will show more..) Adrian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 08:48:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA28039 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 08:48:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA28033; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 08:47:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from green@unixhelp.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA18644; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:47:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:47:36 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Feldman X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: Alfred Perlstein cc: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , mark@grondar.za, donegan@quick.net, scrappy@hub.org, dcs@newsguy.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 31 Dec 1998, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > On Thu, 31 Dec 1998, Brian Feldman wrote: > > > > > Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:01:32 -0500 (EST) > > > > From: Brian Feldman > > > > > > > > The GPL works fine with FreeBSD, we have a src/gnu, if you don't remember. The > [...] > > > > If you can find any fault in including exim, state it. > > > > > > > > > can a company take FreeBSD, including exim, make modifications and > > > sell the result. several companies to this. the gnat box, nokia, > > > whistle and others. > > > > They seem to have, seeing as we already HAVE GPL software included in the > > base distribution. Maybe you should ask Julian Elischer :) > > Brian, perhaps instead of flooding my mailbox with your ramblings you could: > > 1) Wait a couple of years and manage a few lists of this volume like our > friend Jonathan has. > > 2) Perform a 2 year (hell 5 year) study on the various mailers, it'll keep > you busy, trust me. > > 3) Realize that exim isn't bundled with any system and would be a big step > backwards in making FreeBSD a choice for a homeogenous shop and that it's > in the ports if you need it. That's not the point. Exim is an example of yet another widely used MTA that could potentially be bundled with an OS. Postfix was the first example. The point to be shown is that even with Postfix in the tree, people will STILL use what they prefer, and for a lot of people that will be exim; for many people it will still be sendmail. Postfix should be a _port_, and sendmail should stay in the distribution. You forget that on a set of FreeBSD CDs, the ports, in the form of packages, are all right there. Anyone with half a brain during installation could check off which extra MTA to install, disable sendmail, and enable . Ports, my friend, are the solution, not to clutter FreeBSD's base. > > 4) Realize that there is news that several commercial Unix vendors are > quite possibly moving to Postfix. It would be to FreeBSD's advantage > to roll with them into this. This advantage can be realized by the ports and packages. Sendmail is more than just a tradition of BSD, it's what people _know_ and _use_. > > And I really wish everyone would realize that jmb is only adding postfix, > HE IS NOT REMOVING SENDMAIL. All you m4 freaks settle down a bit, > get off his back, and step out of the way of progress, thanks. :) Adding another MTA while not removing the 'old' is pointless clutter. > > -Alfred "my MTA is netcat" Perlstein > > > > > Brian Feldman _ __ ___ ___ ___ > > green@unixhelp.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ > > http://www.freebsd.org/ _ __ ___ ____ | _ \__ \ |) | > > FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ ___ ____ _____ |___/___/___/ > > > > Brian Feldman _ __ ___ ___ ___ green@unixhelp.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ http://www.freebsd.org/ _ __ ___ ____ | _ \__ \ |) | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ ___ ____ _____ |___/___/___/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 09:24:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01222 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:24:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00980; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:24:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA13027; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:24:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: "Steven P. Donegan" , Mark Murray , The Hermit Hacker , "Jonathan M. Bresler" , committers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required. References: <368BB247.886FB8DA@newsguy.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 01 Jan 1999 18:24:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Daniel C. Sobral"'s message of "Fri, 01 Jan 1999 02:20:07 +0900" Message-ID: Lines: 40 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Daniel C. Sobral" writes: > Sigh. I ought to have kept my mouth shut about this. Anyway, it is > *not* being proposed to make Postfix default or removing sendmail. > Though, from what I have heard so far, that is the *LONG TERM* plan. > The idea is putting Postfix on the contrib as a way to make it > further easier to choose Postfix during installation, and thus > "push" Postfix as an alternative. Since Postfix is compatible to > some extent with Sendmail, that is not entirely evil, IMHO. :-) That is not a valid argument. As Nik Clayton pointed out, choosing PostFix at installation time is just as easy if it's a port - actually, with the new installation system, it may become even easier. Keeping PostFix out of the tree - keeping it as a port - will not make it any harder to import it into the tree later. Importing it into the tree now *will* make it harder to pull out if we decide we have to (witness the recent debacle over the Danish raiding expedition). Keeping PostFix in the ports tree is even an advantage in the sense that it will require much less work to track the latest versions. No matter what one may say about Wietse Venema's paranoia, PostFix is still a work in progress and has nowhere near the real-world exposure other mailers such as qmail or exim have accumulated. PostFix users will be better served by a frequently updated port than by imported source which is updated at best every other month or so. One more thing: whether intended or not, by importing it into the source tree, the Project places a stamp of approval on PostFix. Are we ready to do that? I, for one, would *never* run PostFix, as it is today, on a computer to which regular users have shell access. If you don't understand what I mean, read BUGTRAQ, and try the various attacks described for yourself. Wietse Venema can't keep handwaving those holes for much longer. So please, *please* keep PostFix out of the source tree until we're absolutely certain it's mature enough, and until the FreeBSD community have accumulated enough experience with running PostFix on FreeBSD. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 09:32:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02026 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:32:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02020 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:32:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA13074; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:31:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: "Erik Funkenbusch" Cc: Subject: Re: sendmail.cf? References: <002b01be32ad$08556de0$0200a8c0@mn.mediaone.net> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 01 Jan 1999 18:31:33 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Erik Funkenbusch"'s message of "Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:57:14 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Erik Funkenbusch" writes: > Ok, I guess sendmail was updated recently and now supports a new version of > the sendmail.cf file. > > I've been trying to figure out how to rebuild this file, but can't seem to > find the original source file that it is created from. # cd /usr/src/etc/sendmail/ # make # cp freebsd.cf /etc/sendmail.cf DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 09:42:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03071 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:42:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03030; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:42:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:42:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901011742.JAA03030@hub.freebsd.org> From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: green@unixhelp.org CC: bright@hotjobs.com, mark@grondar.za, donegan@quick.net, scrappy@hub.org, dcs@newsguy.com, freebsd-test@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Brian Feldman on Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:47:36 -0500 (EST)) Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required. References: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG discussion is being MOVED to freebsd-test. please subscribe to freebsd-test. this is an mild abuse of freebsd-test, but i have checked with the postmaster, its okay ;) he doesnt want to set up another list right now. please do not send anymore mail on this subject to either current or committers. the alternatives proposed so far are: postfix as a port: sendmail and postfix each installs 6 files that the other installs (/usr/sbin/sendmail, /usr/bin/newaliases /usr/bin/mailq). if postfix is a port this scenario arises: install FreeBSD (mta: sendmail) install port of Postfix ( postfix) time passes, some customization possible upgrade or make world or (sendmail replaces postfix) customization of mail system ignored. user pissed. symlinks do not solve this problem. a symlink from /usr/sbin/sendmail to /usr/local/sbin/postfix/postfix would be overwritten. for make world, this is preventable by defining NO_SENDMAIL in /etc/make.conf. for those users that know of and have glanced at /etc/make.conf sysinstall is not able, at this time, to let the user choose an MTA. anyone will to fix that should step forward with patches. fine for the "moderately knowlegeable user". bad for the "minimal hassle" user. the "expert user" will do it their way. sendmail and postfix ports: the user by default is left without an MTA. this is like sun shipping solaris without a compiler.....PITA. PITA for the "moderately knowlegeable user". bad for the "minimal hassle" user. the "expert user" will do it their way. postfix in contrib: user sets a varible in /etc/make.conf. the flag is MAILER. it has three alternatives: SENDMAIL, POSTFIX, NONE. a make world installs postfix and never surprises the user with a different mailer. increases the size of the source tree. the "moderately knowlegeable user" can pick there poision. the "minimal hassle" user can run a script to replace the sendmail binaries and manpages with the postfix binaries and manpages (both will remain in the tree, even after running the script. the "expert user" will do it their way. other considerations: we have users at different levels of UNIX knowledge. those taht know enough to select their own mta will. those that want to write an mta will. those that need a working box with minimal hassle are left with /etc/sendmail.cf postfix is far easier for the "minimal hassle" user to use and live with. sendmail is the thickest o'reilly book i own. i love sendmail, it does things that no other mailer can. i have made it do some truly hideous operations due to managment "vision". but i can not, in good consciense, recommend sendmail to "minimal hassle" users. both sendmail and postfix have their place. jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Core Team, Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--The Power to Serve JMB193 http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 09:48:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03680 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:48:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from opus.cts.cwu.edu (opus.cts.cwu.edu [198.104.92.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03675 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:48:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu) Received: from localhost (skynyrd@localhost) by opus.cts.cwu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA25720; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:48:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:48:04 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Timmons To: Andrew Kenneth Milton cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Buildworld fails in chpass In-Reply-To: <199901010551.PAA06472@zeus.theinternet.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hmmm... I've had successful buildworlds recently. Still having trouble? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 09:51:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04090 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:51:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxy.vvm.com (proxy.vvm.com [204.71.94.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04083 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:51:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sbarron@vvm.com) Received: from ns.vvm.com (IDENT:root@ns.vvm.com [204.71.94.1]) by proxy.vvm.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA09396; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:52:46 -0600 Received: from avalon.abalonesoft.com (ka02-187.vvm.com [206.97.170.187]) by ns.vvm.com (8.8.8/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA27628; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:51:04 -0600 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19990101140454.B52303@xfiles.org.uk> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 11:53:15 -0600 (CST) From: Scott Barron To: Ben Hutchinson Subject: Re: WordPerfect8 (Was Re: Trouble with Staroffice5.0) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Ben, That did the trick. I hadn't messed with the Linux emulation yet. It runs perfectly now. Thanks for the tip. --Scott On 01-Jan-99 Ben Hutchinson wrote: > Do you have the linux emulation KLD loaded? Ie: > > root@lonegunman:/# kldstat -n linux > Id Refs Address Size Name > 3 1 0xf1314000 d000 linux.ko > > If you get: > > root@lonegunman:/# kldstat -n linux > kldstat: can't find file linux: No such file or directory > > It ain't loaded, that's your problem. Load it with "kldload linux" > > Edit the linux_enable line in /etc/rc.conf to sort this out on a permanant > basis. > > - Ben > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 09:59:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05085 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:59:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05080 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:58:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA13127; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:57:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: eagle Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MakeWorld Fails with fresh source References: <199812311219.HAA62273@bsd.home> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 01 Jan 1999 18:57:05 +0100 In-Reply-To: eagle's message of "Thu, 31 Dec 1998 07:19:16 -0500 (EST)" Message-ID: Lines: 23 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG eagle writes: > After last week's removal of several pieces of the source tree, > I deleted my ./src directory and completely rebuilt it, > with a cvs co. > i'm noticing that as of 3 days ago, buildworld was failing on > legacy lkm's. > > and this morning buildworld is failing at this point > ===> sys/modules/syscons/logo > cd: can't cd to /usr/src/sys/modules/syscons/logo > *** Error code 2. > > just wanted to let you all know :). Did you just "cvs update"? "cvs update" only updates existing files, without checking out new ones or creating new directories. Your Makefile was updated to look for the new logo screensaver, but it wasn't there. Either use "cvs update -Pd", or add "update -Pd" to your .cvsrc file. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 10:09:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA06042 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:09:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA06036 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:09:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 26930 invoked by uid 1001); 1 Jan 1999 18:08:59 +0000 (GMT) To: des@flood.ping.uio.no Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebesd-test@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required. In-Reply-To: Your message of "01 Jan 1999 18:24:01 +0100" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 19:08:59 +0100 Message-ID: <26928.915214139@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > One more thing: whether intended or not, by importing it into the > source tree, the Project places a stamp of approval on PostFix. Are we > ready to do that? I, for one, would *never* run PostFix, as it is > today, on a computer to which regular users have shell access. I, for one, would never run *sendmail* on a computer where regular users have shell access. I put considerably more trust in postfix, even at this stage, than sendmail with its known past riddled with security holes. If I had to make a list of "trust" in mailers, it would currently have to be: 1. qmail 2. postfix 3. sendmail > If you > don't understand what I mean, read BUGTRAQ, and try the various > attacks described for yourself. Wietse Venema can't keep handwaving > those holes for much longer. If you've followed the discussion, you know that you have an alternative in the latest Postfix version, namely a setgid program instead of a world writable directory. > So please, *please* keep PostFix out of the source tree until we're > absolutely certain it's mature enough, and until the FreeBSD community > have accumulated enough experience with running PostFix on FreeBSD. I would be happy to have postfix in the source tree. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 10:13:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA06576 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:13:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06556; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:13:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA13188; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 19:12:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: green@unixhelp.org, bright@hotjobs.com, mark@grondar.za, donegan@quick.net, scrappy@hub.org, dcs@newsguy.com, freebsd-test@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required. References: <199901011742.JAA03030@hub.freebsd.org> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 01 Jan 1999 19:12:59 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Jonathan M. Bresler"'s message of "Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:42:34 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jonathan M. Bresler" writes: > discussion is being MOVED to freebsd-test. please subscribe to > freebsd-test. this is an mild abuse of freebsd-test, but i > have checked with the postmaster, its okay ;) he doesnt want > to set up another list right now. With all due respect, this smacks of you trying to sweep the discussion under the carpet before -core wakes up and realizes the community doesn't back your plan to import PostFix. If you want to move the discussion, please move it to a list that a) has a charter and b) is archived. I suggest freebsd-arch. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 10:15:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA06928 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:15:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from opus.cts.cwu.edu (opus.cts.cwu.edu [198.104.92.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06923 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:14:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu) Received: from localhost (skynyrd@localhost) by opus.cts.cwu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA26615 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:14:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:14:36 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Timmons To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: odd mkdir & softdep death; coincidence? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've been happily building and installing worlds in -current (elf, elf kernel) for some time on my ostensibly hardware-solid thrash machine. Yesterday it crashed and by chance I noticed a recent call to free(3) added to mkdir.c. I can't see how userland could affect this, so it is probably a coincidence. This happened yesterday, and the softupdates-enabled filesystem was implemented on a ccd device. Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0x19 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf01db5dc stack pointer = 0x10:0xf4616bd0 frame pointer = 0x10:0xf4616bdc code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 37724 (mkdir) interrupt mask = bio panic: from debugger panic: from debugger #0 boot (howto=260) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:285 #1 0xf0147ef5 in panic (fmt=0xf021f514 "from debugger") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:446 #2 0xf0127cdd in db_panic (addr=-266488356, have_addr=0, count=-1, modif=0xf4616a50 "") at ../../ddb/db_command.c:432 #3 0xf0127c7d in db_command (last_cmdp=0xf0239ac8, cmd_table=0xf0239928, aux_cmd_tablep=0xf024d838) at ../../ddb/db_command.c:332 #4 0xf0127d42 in db_command_loop () at ../../ddb/db_command.c:454 #5 0xf012a093 in db_trap (type=12, code=0) at ../../ddb/db_trap.c:71 #6 0xf01fa2c6 in kdb_trap (type=12, code=0, regs=0xf4616b94) at ../../i386/i386/db_interface.c:157 #7 0xf020438c in trap_fatal (frame=0xf4616b94, eva=25) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:908 #8 0xf020406b in trap_pfault (frame=0xf4616b94, usermode=0, eva=25) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:806 #9 0xf0203c82 in trap (frame={tf_es = 16, tf_ds = 16, tf_edi = -259539968, tf_esi = -259741284, tf_ebp = -194941988, tf_isp = -194942020, tf_ebx = 1, tf_edx = -253479424, tf_ecx = -238359604, tf_eax = 284202, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 0, tf_eip = -266488356, tf_cs = 8, tf_eflags = 66050, tf_esp = -258222480, tf_ss = -255705984}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:437 #10 0xf01db5dc in pagedep_lookup (ip=0xf0e43600, lbn=0, flags=1, pagedeppp=0xf4616c00) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_softdep.c:759 #11 0xf01dbe6f in softdep_setup_allocdirect (ip=0xf0e43600, lbn=0, newblkno=1244167, oldblkno=0, newsize=1024, oldsize=0, bp=0xf1caeaa8) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_softdep.c:1205 #12 0xf01d98eb in ffs_balloc (ap=0xf4616d24) at ../../ufs/ffs/ffs_balloc.c:175 #13 0xf01e80c4 in ufs_mkdir (ap=0xf4616e98) at vnode_if.h:1015 #14 0xf01e8f79 in ufs_vnoperate (ap=0xf4616e98) at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c:2303 #15 0xf016d9ce in mkdir (p=0xf451c2c0, uap=0xf4616f94) at vnode_if.h:611 #16 0xf020460f in syscall (frame={tf_es = 39, tf_ds = 39, tf_edi = 18, tf_esi = 1, tf_ebp = -272641184, tf_isp = -194940956, tf_ebx = -272640740, tf_edx = -1, tf_ecx = 2, tf_eax = 136, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 2, tf_eip = 134516284, tf_cs = 31, tf_eflags = 514, tf_esp = -272641316, tf_ss = 39}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:1064 #17 0xf01fac1c in Xint0x80_syscall () #18 0x804823b in ?? () #19 0x80480e9 in ?? () To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 10:36:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08524 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:36:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08517; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:36:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00606; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 19:34:04 +0100 (CET) To: sthaug@nethelp.no cc: des@flood.ping.uio.no, current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebesd-test@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 01 Jan 1999 19:08:59 +0100." <26928.915214139@verdi.nethelp.no> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 19:34:04 +0100 Message-ID: <604.915215644@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <26928.915214139@verdi.nethelp.no>, sthaug@nethelp.no writes: >> One more thing: whether intended or not, by importing it into the >> source tree, the Project places a stamp of approval on PostFix. Are we >> ready to do that? I, for one, would *never* run PostFix, as it is >> today, on a computer to which regular users have shell access. We do ? Do we also condone the gnu C extensions by using their compiler ? I don't think so... -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "ttyv0" -- What UNIX calls a $20K state-of-the-art, 3D, hi-res color terminal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 10:43:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09496 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:43:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from second.dialup.access.net (lsmarso.dialup.access.net [166.84.254.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09489 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:43:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from larry@marso.com) Received: (from larry@localhost) by second.dialup.access.net (8.9.1/8.8.8) id NAA05239 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:38:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from larry) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:38:32 -0500 From: "Larry S. Marso" To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: aout-to-elf build failure, 31 December Message-ID: <19990101133832.X988@marso.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.13i Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The following is where an aout-to-elf-build died last night. Best regards -- Larry S. Marso larry@marso.com cc -nostdinc -O -pipe -I/jaz/src/usr.sbin/i4b/isdnd/../isdnmonitor -I/jaz/src/us r.sbin/i4b/isdnd/../isdntel -I/usr/obj/elf/jaz/src/usr.sbin/i4b/isdnd -DDEBUG -D USE_RTPRIO -DUSE_CURSES -DI4B_EXTERNAL_MONITOR -I/usr/obj/elf/jaz/src/tmp/usr/i nclude -o isdnd rc_parse.o rc_scan.o main.o rc_config.o log.o curses.o process. o rates.o msghdl.o fsm.o support.o timer.o exec.o dial.o monitor.o pcause.o cont roller.o alias.o -lcurses /usr/obj/aout/jaz/src/tmp/usr/libexec/elf/ld: warning: libtermcap.so.2, needed b y /usr/obj/elf/jaz/src/tmp/usr/lib/libcurses.so, not found (try using --rpath) /usr/obj/elf/jaz/src/tmp/usr/lib/libcurses.so: undefined reference to `tgetnum' /usr/obj/elf/jaz/src/tmp/usr/lib/libcurses.so: undefined reference to `tgoto' /usr/obj/elf/jaz/src/tmp/usr/lib/libcurses.so: undefined reference to `tgetflag' /usr/obj/elf/jaz/src/tmp/usr/lib/libcurses.so: undefined reference to `tputs' /usr/obj/elf/jaz/src/tmp/usr/lib/libcurses.so: undefined reference to `tgetent' /usr/obj/elf/jaz/src/tmp/usr/lib/libcurses.so: undefined reference to `tgetstr' *** Error code 1 Stop. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 10:56:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10563 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:56:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10549; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:56:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA63140; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:55:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Thomas Dean cc: scrappy@hub.org, mark@grondar.za, donegan@quick.net, dcs@newsguy.com, jmb@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:28:14 PST." <199812312228.OAA28553@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 13:55:05 -0500 Message-ID: <63135.915216905@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thomas Dean wrote in message ID <199812312228.OAA28553@ix.netcom.com>: > Sendmail is a MUST. Sendmail should be in the mainline of the source > tree. If you don't know why, I am sorry! I run a mail system which handles more than 1,000,000 *unique* messages each day. I do not consider sendmail to be a requirement for our systems anymore, and I'm actively looking for a replacement (NB: please don't mail me with ``go to foomailer, you'll love it''. I'm not interested. I'll form my own opinions, thanks) Giving our *huge* userbase (which is considerably numerous than the number of messages/day I do), and how many of those are totally sendmail illiterate, why is sendmail a requirement? For those who need sendmails features? Thats why ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/ exists. IMHO having the option of `make world' installing an alternate mailer which has a nearly english config file is a plus. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 10:58:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10715 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:58:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10709; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:58:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA63212; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:58:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Greg Lehey cc: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , donegan@quick.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: sendmail throughput (was: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required.) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 01 Jan 1999 11:38:53 +1030." <19990101113853.A39598@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 13:58:01 -0500 Message-ID: <63208.915217081@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote in message ID <19990101113853.A39598@freebie.lemis.com>: > Oh. I was expecting an online document. I've you are a member, there is an online version. I've read it recently :) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 10:59:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10748 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:59:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxyb1-atm.san.rr.com (proxyb1-atm.san.rr.com [204.210.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10742; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:59:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (dt087nac.san.rr.com [24.94.19.172]) by proxyb1-atm.san.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06441; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:59:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <368BC982.74B26178@san.rr.com> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:59:14 -0800 From: Doug Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adrian Chadd CC: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: vhosts with netscape from behind natd References: <199901011615.RAA05217@ywing.creative.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Background: I have the following setup: internet/cable modem --- natd box --- windows box On the natd box I have apache running with several vhosts. When I try to use netscape to view a vhost I get the document root every time. The vhosts are visible from the internet, just not from behind natd. Adrian Chadd wrote: > Try restarting the browser, and then go to a document behind root, without > going to the document first. That was the first thing I tried. I just tried it again and no joy. :-/ > It might be some braindead half-closed persistent connection that is confusing > natd . Well, I tried turning the windows computer off and back on, still no joy. > (A tcpdump will show more..) What would you suggest I look for in tcpdump? I have little experience with that tool. Thanks, Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 11:16:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA12524 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:16:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA12519 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:16:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.56.221]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA6781; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:16:08 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19981229003351.05206@breizh.prism.uvsq.fr> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 20:23:04 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Nicolas Souchu Subject: Re: ZIP driver Cc: FreeBSD Current Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry for the late reply, HD died, new year's eve, etc... On 29-Dec-98 Nicolas Souchu wrote: > On Mon, Dec 28, 1998 at 10:20:46PM +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: >> >>while we're on the subject, whatever did happen with the ZIP(+) driver? >> >>Somewhere along the line of commits did it break and unfortunately I only >>noticed >>this when I needed it... >> >>The boot reports all the devices getting probed alright, except for da2 which >>was >>normally my ZIP drive (and yes, it's on and has a disk in it ;) >> > > ZIP is detected, then no da? You have generic chipset? Aye, think so... ppc: parallel port found at 0x378 ppc0 at 0x378 irq 7 on isa ppc0: W83877F chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode nlpt0: on ppbus 0 nlpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus 0 The parallel port is set to EPP. controller pnp0 controller isa0 controller pci0 controller ahc0 controller scbus0 controller ppbus0 controller vpo0 at ppbus? device nlpt0 at ppbus? device ppi0 at ppbus? device ppc0 at isa? port ? tty irq 7 vector ppcintr > Try 0x40 as 'ppc' boot flags. This avoids specific detection code that may > break your hardware. Hmmm, it appears that more people have problems, see SCSI list mails last couple of days... --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Life is the only Pain asmodai(at)wxs.nl we endeavour... Network/Security Specialist BSD & picoBSD: The Power to Serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 11:22:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA13405 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:22:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13397 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:22:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA18413; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:22:24 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA01075; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:22:21 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199901011922.VAA01075@greenpeace.grondar.za> To: Randy Bush cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dummy's guide to flag day, please? In-Reply-To: Your message of " Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:12:06 PST." References: Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 21:22:20 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Randy Bush wrote: > i am an a.outer who updates from current every few weeks. i usually > backup > update > make buildworld > go single user > make installworld > mergemaster -cv > make a new kernel > install kernel > reboot The fact that you use mergemaster makes life _very_ easy. Replace the "make buildworld" with "make aout-to-elf-build", and the "make installworld" with "make aout-to-elf-install" and you'll be OK. You'll need double the space in /usr/obj. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 11:51:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15768 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:51:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from galaxy.support.stream.com (galaxy.support.stream.com [208.13.180.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA15759 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:51:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from c063.beaverton.stream.com ([208.13.191.137]) by galaxy.support.stream.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) with SMTP id 852566EC.006D0628; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:50:50 -0500 Message-ID: <007101be35bf$9f531340$f301040a@c063.beaverton.stream.com> From: "Wiliam Woods" To: "FBSD_CURRENT" Subject: from 2.2.6 to 3.0 -curent Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:41:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Last night I cvsupped allo the source to go from 2.2.6 to 3.0-current. This is a clean system with no ports installed at all. I got a whole bunch of errors (unfortunately I dont have them now, I am at work) but I remember someone saying someone saying something about .mk files when going from 2.2.X to 3.0. It dies about 5 mins into the compile. Could someone please let me know what I need to do to get this to compile, thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 12:26:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19487 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:26:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaylord.async.vt.edu (gaylord.async.vt.edu [128.173.18.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19481 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 12:26:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gaylord@gaylord.async.vt.edu) Received: (from gaylord@localhost) by gaylord.async.vt.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA00554 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:25:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gaylord) From: Clark Gaylord Message-Id: <199901012025.PAA00554@gaylord.async.vt.edu> Subject: aha fix-thank you! To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:25:25 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Whoever fixed aha -- Thank you! I have been without one of my tape drives (Wangtek 5525) since moving to -current about six weeks ago, and, while I still had my Exabyte 8500, I was pretty nervous. I had heard rumors that there was a probe patch floating around, but hadn't seen anything on -current about it. Anyway, again, thanks. BTW, I have a 1542B, unknown firmware ... is there a FreeBSD util for reading/loading firmware on these puppies? I recall there being a DOS util, but I can't find that (though I suppose I can probably get it from Adaptec's web site). Right now my drives are <=1GB, but I will probably buy a 4GB soon and I'm not sure I have the right firmware. Clark -- Clark K. Gaylord Blacksburg, Virginia USA cgaylord@vt.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 13:03:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23214 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:03:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23209 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:03:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA11700; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:03:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:03:21 -0500 (EST) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199901012103.QAA11700@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: object inconsistant state: RPC: 1, RC: 0 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just updated my kernel on one machine from about October to yesterday's latest, and I'm suddenly getting a lot of these messages: Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 3, RC: 0 Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 14, RC: 0 Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 3, RC: 0 Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 14, RC: 0 Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 36, RC: 0 Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 36, RC: 0 Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 1, RC: 0 Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 1, RC: 0 Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 42, RC: 0 Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 42, RC: 0 Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 2, RC: 0 Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 2, RC: 0 Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 2, RC: 0 Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 2, RC: 0 ...every time I access the filesystem (e.g., with `ls'). Since this makes the machine unusable, I have for the moment commented out the message. This message was added in rev. 1.134 (1998-02-23) by dyson with a log message indicating that the condition should not occur. It appeared to have been triggered (the first time) by a `ps' command. Anybody have any better ideas on what's going on here? For the record, this is a dual-processor SMP, with nothing else special about its configuration. Message buffer contains: Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #11: Fri Jan 1 15:49:12 EST 1999 root@xyz.lcs.mit.edu:/usr/src/sys/compile/XYZ Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium Pro (686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x619 Stepping=9 Features=0xfbff real memory = 268435456 (262144K bytes) avail memory = 258490368 (252432K bytes) Programming 24 pins in IOAPIC #0 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfec08000 cpu1 (AP): apic id: 4, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfec08000 io0 (APIC): apic id: 13, version: 0x00170011, at 0xfec00000 Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xf0255000. Preloaded elf module "star_saver.ko" at 0xf025509c. Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0x02 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0x01 on pci0.18.0 chip2: rev 0x01 on pci0.20.0 Probing for devices on PCI bus 1: ahc0: rev 0x00 int a irq 17 on pci1.5.0 ahc0: Using left over BIOS settings ahc0: aic7880 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs ed1: rev 0x00 int a irq 16 on pci1.8.0 ed1: address 00:20:78:14:a1:4b, type NE2000 (16 bit) fxp0: rev 0x01 int a irq 18 on pci1.10.0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:a0:c9:06:b2:1d vga0: rev 0x22 on pci1.15.0 Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0 not found at 0x280 sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A psm0 at 0x60-0x64 irq 12 on motherboard psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface APIC_IO: routing 8254 via 8259 on pin 0 Waiting 2 seconds for SCSI devices to settle SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! pt0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 pt0: Fixed Processor SCSI-2 device pt0: 3.300MB/s transfers sa0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 3 lun 0 sa0: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device sa0: 5.0MB/s transfers (5.0MHz, offset 15) da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da1: 40.0MB/s transfers (20.0MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da1: 8683MB (17783240 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 8683C) da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 40.0MB/s transfers (20.0MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 4148MB (8496960 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 4148C) da2 at ahc0 bus 0 target 10 lun 0 da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da2: 40.0MB/s transfers (20.0MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da2: 4340MB (8888924 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 4340C) changing root device to da0s1a (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): tagged openings now 64 (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): tagged openings now 63 cd0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd0: 4.901MB/s transfers (4.901MHz, offset 15) cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present [wow! I didn't realize that the PPro has a `somebody else's problem' feature!] -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 13:16:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25375 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:16:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vanessa.eliuk.org (pme87.sunshine.net [209.17.178.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA25370 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:16:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kevin_eliuk@sunshine.net) Received: from localhost (cagey@localhost) by vanessa.eliuk.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA01083; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:16:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cagey@vanessa.eliuk.org) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:15:53 -0800 (PST) From: "Kevin G. Eliuk" Reply-To: "Kevin G. Eliuk" To: Richard Seaman cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trouble with Staroffice5.0 In-Reply-To: <19981231165447.A2862@tar.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 31 Dec 1998, Richard Seaman wrote: > The linux threads "port" isn't necessary for emulation, and therefore > not necessary for StarOffice. Okay, this is what I was originally to understand from your notes, although I wanted to try all avenues before asking the question. > > Any ideas on where I can go from here. > > Only one. I should note that I'm not a StarOffice guru by any means. > I've only tried it out as a test case of the linux threads emulation > code. > The idea is that StarOffice is a resource hog, and you don't have much > RAM. I'm not smart enought to read the output you sent to find how > much swap space you have. Is is possible you're just running out of > resources? When I run soffice, just the initial program, without > actually doing anything, shows 24MB of resident memory and 32MB of > total vm memory under "top". And, this is with my vm stack patches > applied. I'd guess the vm memory would jump another 10MB without > them. Oh yeah, finally got it to run. The problem was with the XF86_S3V, as soon as I switched to _SVGA I didn't have a problem. Very slow on the resources that I am giving it. > You presumably have an X server running, plus whatever else, so is > it possible you just need more RAM? I've only tried it on a > machine with 256MB of RAM and 512MB of swap. :) last pid: 1070; load averages: 0.05, 0.19, 0.25 up 0+02:58:05 13:05:27 46 processes: 1 running, 45 sleeping Mem: 9252K Active, 6748K Inact, 7276K Wired, 5824K Cache, 3448K Buf, 808K Free Swap: 256M Total, 33M Used, 223M Free, 13% Inuse PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 627 cagey 2 0 14728K 4224K select 4:37 0.05% 0.05% XF86_SVGA 646 cagey 2 0 3780K 1032K select 0:42 0.00% 0.00% kwm 998 cagey 2 0 47736K 3436K select 0:41 0.00% 0.00% soffice.bin 647 cagey 10 0 3944K 232K nanslp 0:34 0.00% 0.00% maudio 641 cagey 2 0 6556K 696K select 0:17 0.00% 0.00% kfm 255 cagey 2 0 1388K 256K select 0:14 0.00% 0.00% ppp 645 cagey 2 0 4740K 1072K select 0:09 0.00% 0.00% kpanel 1060 cagey 2 0 4080K 1492K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% kvt 643 cagey 2 0 3944K 324K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% kbgndwm 257 cagey 2 0 996K 52K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% fetchmail 1052 cagey 2 0 4056K 1728K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% kvt 1061 cagey 10 0 3084K 604K nanslp 0:01 0.00% 0.00% pine 640 cagey 2 0 3768K 304K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% kwmsound 644 cagey 2 0 3812K 236K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% krootwm 1008 cagey 10 0 47736K 3436K nanslp 0:01 0.00% 0.00% soffice.bin 1037 cagey 18 0 47736K 3436K pause 0:00 0.00% 0.00% soffice.bin 639 cagey 10 0 3952K 8K nanslp 0:00 0.00% 0.00% kaudioserver 1062 cagey 3 0 1264K 532K ttyin 0:00 0.00% 0.00% vi Thanks for the help and have a HappyNewYear every one. --- Regards, Kevin G. Eliuk Discover Rock Solid, Discover FreeBSD | http://www.FreeBSD.Org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 13:25:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA26168 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:25:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA26159 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:25:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA01206; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:23:39 +0100 (CET) To: Garrett Wollman cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: object inconsistant state: RPC: 1, RC: 0 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 01 Jan 1999 16:03:21 EST." <199901012103.QAA11700@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 22:23:39 +0100 Message-ID: <1204.915225819@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199901012103.QAA11700@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>, Garrett Wollman writes: >CPU: Pentium Pro (686-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x619 Stepping=9 > Features=0xfbff > >[wow! I didn't realize that the PPro has a `somebody else's problem' >feature!] Isn't the MP ability a clear case of SEP ? :-) If you don't think so, ask AMD :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." 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Eliuk" , "Richard Seaman" Cc: Subject: Re: Trouble with Staroffice5.0 Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:32:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I notice you got StarOffice 5.0 running...Would you mind giving me instructions how you did it? I would like to be able to use it as soon as I get current up and running. BTW, you are on an elf system I assume? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Kevin G. Eliuk To: Richard Seaman Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Friday, January 01, 1999 1:17 PM Subject: Re: Trouble with Staroffice5.0 >On Thu, 31 Dec 1998, Richard Seaman wrote: > >> The linux threads "port" isn't necessary for emulation, and therefore >> not necessary for StarOffice. > >Okay, this is what I was originally to understand from your notes, >although I wanted to try all avenues before asking the question. > >> > Any ideas on where I can go from here. >> >> Only one. I should note that I'm not a StarOffice guru by any means. >> I've only tried it out as a test case of the linux threads emulation >> code. > >> The idea is that StarOffice is a resource hog, and you don't have much >> RAM. I'm not smart enought to read the output you sent to find how >> much swap space you have. Is is possible you're just running out of >> resources? When I run soffice, just the initial program, without >> actually doing anything, shows 24MB of resident memory and 32MB of >> total vm memory under "top". And, this is with my vm stack patches >> applied. I'd guess the vm memory would jump another 10MB without >> them. > >Oh yeah, finally got it to run. The problem was with the XF86_S3V, as >soon as I switched to _SVGA I didn't have a problem. > >Very slow on the resources that I am giving it. > >> You presumably have an X server running, plus whatever else, so is >> it possible you just need more RAM? I've only tried it on a >> machine with 256MB of RAM and 512MB of swap. :) > > >last pid: 1070; load averages: 0.05, 0.19, 0.25 up 0+02:58:05 13:05:27 >46 processes: 1 running, 45 sleeping > >Mem: 9252K Active, 6748K Inact, 7276K Wired, 5824K Cache, 3448K Buf, 808K Free >Swap: 256M Total, 33M Used, 223M Free, 13% Inuse > > > PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND > 627 cagey 2 0 14728K 4224K select 4:37 0.05% 0.05% XF86_SVGA > 646 cagey 2 0 3780K 1032K select 0:42 0.00% 0.00% kwm > 998 cagey 2 0 47736K 3436K select 0:41 0.00% 0.00% soffice.bin > 647 cagey 10 0 3944K 232K nanslp 0:34 0.00% 0.00% maudio > 641 cagey 2 0 6556K 696K select 0:17 0.00% 0.00% kfm > 255 cagey 2 0 1388K 256K select 0:14 0.00% 0.00% ppp > 645 cagey 2 0 4740K 1072K select 0:09 0.00% 0.00% kpanel > 1060 cagey 2 0 4080K 1492K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% kvt > 643 cagey 2 0 3944K 324K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% kbgndwm > 257 cagey 2 0 996K 52K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% fetchmail > 1052 cagey 2 0 4056K 1728K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% kvt > 1061 cagey 10 0 3084K 604K nanslp 0:01 0.00% 0.00% pine > 640 cagey 2 0 3768K 304K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% kwmsound > 644 cagey 2 0 3812K 236K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% krootwm > 1008 cagey 10 0 47736K 3436K nanslp 0:01 0.00% 0.00% soffice.bin > 1037 cagey 18 0 47736K 3436K pause 0:00 0.00% 0.00% soffice.bin > 639 cagey 10 0 3952K 8K nanslp 0:00 0.00% 0.00% kaudioserver > 1062 cagey 3 0 1264K 532K ttyin 0:00 0.00% 0.00% vi > >Thanks for the help and have a HappyNewYear every one. > >--- > Regards, > Kevin G. Eliuk > >Discover Rock Solid, Discover FreeBSD | http://www.FreeBSD.Org > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 13:41:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28395 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:41:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28386 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:41:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) id OAA44061; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:40:11 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199901012140.OAA44061@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: cdrecord/cam In-Reply-To: <19981230135710.A9990@gaspode.franken.de> from German Tischler at "Dec 30, 98 01:57:10 pm" To: tanis@gaspode.franken.de (German Tischler) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:40:11 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG German Tischler wrote... > Hi. > > I'm getting the following error when trying to write a cdrw with > cdrecord 1.8a14 with current from yesterday: > > cam_periph_mapmem: attempt to map 66560 bytes, which is greater than > DFLTPHYS(65536) > > Can I increase DFLTPHYS in /sys/i386/include/param.h without > problems, to avoid this ? You need to go into libscg/scsi-bsd.c, and around line 575 you'll find the CAM version of the scsi_maxdma() function. Instead of: return(MAXPHYS); Change it to: return(DFLTPHYS - PAGE_SIZE); Changing DFLTPHYS could cause other more serious problems, and I wouldn't recommend it. I've sent the above change to Joerg Schilling, and it should make it into the next alpha of cdrecord. If you use the version in the ports tree, you'll get the above change by default. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 13:41:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28449 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:41:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thelab.hub.org (nat1262.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.186.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28431; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:41:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA23250; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:41:13 -0400 (AST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:41:13 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Gary Palmer cc: Thomas Dean , mark@grondar.za, donegan@quick.net, dcs@newsguy.com, jmb@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required. In-Reply-To: <63135.915216905@gjp.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 1 Jan 1999, Gary Palmer wrote: > Thomas Dean wrote in message ID > <199812312228.OAA28553@ix.netcom.com>: > > Sendmail is a MUST. Sendmail should be in the mainline of the source > > tree. If you don't know why, I am sorry! > > I run a mail system which handles more than 1,000,000 *unique* messages each > day. I do not consider sendmail to be a requirement for our systems anymore, > and I'm actively looking for a replacement (NB: please don't mail me with ``go > to foomailer, you'll love it''. I'm not interested. I'll form my own opinions, > thanks) > > Giving our *huge* userbase (which is considerably numerous than the number of > messages/day I do), and how many of those are totally sendmail illiterate, why > is sendmail a requirement? For those who need sendmails features? Thats why > ftp://ftp.sendmail.org/ exists. IMHO having the option of `make world' > installing an alternate mailer which has a nearly english config file is a > plus. I hate to ask, but is it so hard for us to do similar to what *ack* Linux does? Where, at install time, you choose what mailer you want (or, rather, what package) installed? So that me, who prefers sendmail, has sendmail installed, but not postfix? why is it that the solution has to be one of "either sendmail or postfix, depending on what one group of ppl decides is the better one"? Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 13:54:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29546 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:54:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29541 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:54:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from localhost (6328 bytes) by rip.psg.com via sendmail with P:stdio/R:inet_resolve/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:54:09 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #1 built 1998-Oct-13) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:54:09 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: undefined symbols in /usr/src/release/sysinstall/disks.c/o Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG current as of Dec 31 18:27 rip.psg.com:/usr/src/release/sysinstall# make all install Warning: Object directory not changed from original /usr/src/release/sysinstall cc -O -pipe -Wall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../gnu/lib/libdialog -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../sys -DUC_PRIVATE -DKERN_NO_SYMBOLS -DSAVE_USERCONFIG -c cdrom.c cc -O -pipe -Wall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../gnu/lib/libdialog -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../sys -DUC_PRIVATE -DKERN_NO_SYMBOLS -DSAVE_USERCONFIG -c dos.c cc -O -pipe -Wall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../gnu/lib/libdialog -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../sys -DUC_PRIVATE -DKERN_NO_SYMBOLS -DSAVE_USERCONFIG -c floppy.c cc -O -pipe -Wall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../gnu/lib/libdialog -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../sys -DUC_PRIVATE -DKERN_NO_SYMBOLS -DSAVE_USERCONFIG -c ftp.c cc -O -pipe -Wall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../gnu/lib/libdialog -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../sys -DUC_PRIVATE -DKERN_NO_SYMBOLS -DSAVE_USERCONFIG -c index.c cc -O -pipe -Wall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../gnu/lib/libdialog -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../sys -DUC_PRIVATE -DKERN_NO_SYMBOLS -DSAVE_USERCONFIG -c media.c cc -O -pipe -Wall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../gnu/lib/libdialog -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../sys -DUC_PRIVATE -DKERN_NO_SYMBOLS -DSAVE_USERCONFIG -c menus.c menus.c:1215: warning: initialization makes integer from pointer without a cast cc -O -pipe -Wall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../gnu/lib/libdialog -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../sys -DUC_PRIVATE -DKERN_NO_SYMBOLS -DSAVE_USERCONFIG -c nfs.c cc -O -pipe -Wall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../gnu/lib/libdialog -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../sys -DUC_PRIVATE -DKERN_NO_SYMBOLS -DSAVE_USERCONFIG -c tape.c cc -O -pipe -Wall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../gnu/lib/libdialog -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../sys -DUC_PRIVATE -DKERN_NO_SYMBOLS -DSAVE_USERCONFIG -c ufs.c cc -O -pipe -Wall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../gnu/lib/libdialog -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../sys -DUC_PRIVATE -DKERN_NO_SYMBOLS -DSAVE_USERCONFIG -static -o sysinstall anonFTP.o cdrom.o command.o config.o devices.o disks.o dispatch.o dist.o dmenu.o doc.o dos.o floppy.o ftp.o globals.o index.o install.o installUpgrade.o keymap.o label.o lndir.o main.o makedevs.o media.o menus.o misc.o mouse.o msg.o network.o nfs.o options.o package.o register.o system.o tape.o tcpip.o termcap.o ufs.o user.o variable.o wizard.o uc_eisa.o uc_isa.o uc_kmem.o uc_list.o uc_main.o uc_pci.o -ldialog -lncurses -lmytinfo -lutil -ldisk -lftpio disks.o: Undefined symbol `_boot2' referenced from text segment disks.o: Undefined symbol `_boot1' referenced from text segment *** Error code 1 rip.psg.com:/usr/src/release/sysinstall# make clean rm -f makedevs.c rtermcap rtermcap.tmp dumpnlist keymap.tmp keymap.h sysinstall anonFTP.o cdrom.o command.o config.o devices.o disks.o dispatch.o dist.o dmenu.o doc.o dos.o floppy.o ftp.o globals.o index.o install.o installUpgrade.o keymap.o label.o lndir.o main.o makedevs.o media.o menus.o misc.o mouse.o msg.o network.o nfs.o options.o package.o register.o system.o tape.o tcpip.o termcap.o ufs.o user.o variable.o wizard.o uc_eisa.o uc_isa.o uc_kmem.o uc_list.o uc_main.o uc_pci.o sysinstall.8.gz sysinstall.8.cat.gz rip.psg.com:/usr/src/release/sysinstall# make Warning: Object directory not changed from original /usr/src/release/sysinstall rm -f keymap.tmp for map in be.iso br275.iso danish.iso fr.iso german.iso it.iso icelandic.iso jp.106 norwegian.iso ru.koi8-r si.iso spanish.iso swedish.iso swissgerman.iso uk.iso us.dvorak us.iso ; do kbdcontrol -L $map | sed -e '/^static accentmap_t/,$d' >> keymap.tmp ; done echo "static struct keymapInfo keymapInfos[] = {" >> keymap.tmp for map in be.iso br275.iso danish.iso fr.iso german.iso it.iso icelandic.iso jp.106 norwegian.iso ru.koi8-r si.iso spanish.iso swedish.iso swissgerman.iso uk.iso us.dvorak us.iso ; do echo -n ' { "'$map'", ' >> keymap.tmp ; echo "&keymap_$map }," | tr '[-.]' '_' >> keymap.tmp ; done ( echo " { 0 }"; echo "};" ; echo "" ) >> keymap.tmp mv keymap.tmp keymap.h cc -O -pipe -Wall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../gnu/lib/libdialog -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../sys -DUC_PRIVATE -DKERN_NO_SYMBOLS -DSAVE_USERCONFIG -c anonFTP.c cc -O -pipe -Wall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../gnu/lib/libdialog -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../sys -DUC_PRIVATE -DKERN_NO_SYMBOLS -DSAVE_USERCONFIG -c cdrom.c cc -O -pipe -Wall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../gnu/lib/libdialog -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../sys -DUC_PRIVATE -DKERN_NO_SYMBOLS -DSAVE_USERCONFIG -c command.c cc -O -pipe -Wall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../gnu/lib/libdialog -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../sys -DUC_PRIVATE -DKERN_NO_SYMBOLS -DSAVE_USERCONFIG -c config.c cc -O -pipe -Wall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../gnu/lib/libdialog -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../sys -DUC_PRIVATE -DKERN_NO_SYMBOLS -DSAVE_USERCONFIG -c devices.c cc -O -pipe -Wall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../gnu/lib/libdialog -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall -I/usr/src/release/sysinstall/../../sys -DUC_PRIVATE -DKERN_NO_SYMBOLS -DSAVE_USERCONFIG -c disks.c disks.c: In function `diskPartitionWrite': disks.c:649: `boot1' undeclared (first use this function) disks.c:649: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once disks.c:649: for each function it appears in.) disks.c:649: `boot2' undeclared (first use this function) *** Error code 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 14:17:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01529 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:17:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.volant.org (phoenix.volant.org [205.179.79.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01512; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:17:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patl@phoenix.volant.org) From: patl@phoenix.volant.org Received: from asimov.phoenix.volant.org ([205.179.79.65]) by phoenix.volant.org with smtp (Exim 1.92 #8) id 0zwCsr-00004N-00; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:17:29 -0800 Received: from localhost by asimov.phoenix.volant.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA16242; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:17:26 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:17:26 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: patl@phoenix.volant.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming... Alternate plan To: Nik Clayton cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, test@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19981230205931.D6797@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 03:57:08AM -0800, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > Starting later today, I will import Postfix (aka VMailer > > aka SecureMailer from IBM) into the tree under /usr/src/contrib. > > Postfix was written by Wietse Venema (tcp_wrappers, satan, etc). > > Probably a stupid question, but why not pull Sendmail *out* of the tree, > and then create a Sendmail and a PostFix port instead? Hear, hear! That sounds like a -much- better solution. Then the installation could be modified to allow the installer the choice of no MTA, Sendmail, Postfix, Exim, QMail, or any other mailer included in the ports distribuition. This makes it easier to add new choices; still serves to de-emphasize Sendmail; and makes it trivial to change the default choice at some point in the future with minimal impact on the installed user base. -Pat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 14:25:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01931 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:25:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pcpsj.pfcs.com (harlan.clark.net [168.143.10.179]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01922; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:25:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Harlan.Stenn@pfcs.com) Received: from mumps.pfcs.com [192.52.69.11] (HELO mumps.pfcs.com) by pcpsj.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from brown.pfcs.com [192.52.69.44] (HELO brown.pfcs.com) by mumps.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:25:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1] (HELO brown.pfcs.com) by brown.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:25:02 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: The Hermit Hacker cc: Gary Palmer , Thomas Dean , mark@grondar.za, donegan@quick.net, dcs@newsguy.com, jmb@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required. In-Reply-To: The Hermit Hacker's (scrappy@hub.org) message dated Fri, 01 Jan 1999 17:41:13. X-Face: "csXK}xnnsH\h_ce`T#|pM]tG,6Xu.{3Rb\]&XJgVyTS'w{E+|-(}n:c(Cc* $cbtusxDP6T)Hr'k&zrwq0.3&~bAI~YJco[r.mE+K|(q]F=ZNXug:s6tyOk{VTqARy0#axm6BWti9C d Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 17:25:02 -0500 Message-ID: <18780.915229502@brown.pfcs.com> From: Harlan Stenn Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I hate to ask, but is it so hard for us to do similar to what *ack* Linux > does? Where, at install time, you choose what mailer you want (or, > rather, what package) installed? So that me, who prefers sendmail, has > sendmail installed, but not postfix? This will only work well when there is an "easy" way to update/refresh the installed packages. H To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 15:07:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05510 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:07:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thelab.hub.org (nat1262.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.186.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05504; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:07:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA23680; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 19:06:29 -0400 (AST) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 19:06:28 -0400 (AST) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Harlan Stenn cc: Gary Palmer , Thomas Dean , mark@grondar.za, donegan@quick.net, dcs@newsguy.com, jmb@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required. In-Reply-To: <18780.915229502@brown.pfcs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 1 Jan 1999, Harlan Stenn wrote: > > I hate to ask, but is it so hard for us to do similar to what *ack* Linux > > does? Where, at install time, you choose what mailer you want (or, > > rather, what package) installed? So that me, who prefers sendmail, has > > sendmail installed, but not postfix? > > This will only work well when there is an "easy" way to update/refresh the > installed packages. Doesn't this whole "argument" provide enough proof that this should be a priority? As time goes on, there are going to be more and more instances where there are multiple choices as to what software can be installed to do the same thing. Adding each "alternative" to contrib isn't a solution, so a solution should be built, with the whole sendmail vs postfix (vs smail vs exim vs ??) being the basis of it... I would much rather see *all* MTA's removed with a cleaner mechanism to install the one I want, vs replacing that which I do want with an unknown... Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 15:15:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06189 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:15:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sampo.karelia.ru (sampo.karelia.ru [195.161.9.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06183; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:15:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from irek@karelia.ru) Received: from karelia.ru ([195.161.38.68]) by sampo.karelia.ru (8.9.0/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA06569; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 02:14:34 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <368D5700.BFEAC1FB@karelia.ru> Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 02:15:12 +0300 From: Irek X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: The Hermit Hacker CC: Harlan Stenn , Gary Palmer , Thomas Dean , mark@grondar.za, donegan@quick.net, dcs@newsguy.com, jmb@FreeBSD.ORG, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: (ÂÅÚ ÔÅÍÙ) References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------44565470F541C56C843405B1" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ýòî ñîîáùåíèå çàêîäèðîâàíî â ôîðìàòå MIME è ñîñòîèò èç íåñêîëüêèõ ÷àñòåé. --------------44565470F541C56C843405B1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe freebsd-current --------------44565470F541C56C843405B1 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=koi8-r; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Êàðòî÷êà äëÿ lrek Shaman Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: lrek Shaman n: Shaman;lrek email;internet: irek@karelia.ru title;quoted-printable:=C0=E4=EC=E8=ED=E8=F1=F2=F0=E0=F2=EE=F0 note: icq 22011341 http://sampo.karelia.ru/~irek x-mozilla-cpt: sampo.karelia.ru;2 x-mozilla-html: TRUE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------44565470F541C56C843405B1-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 15:27:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07476 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:27:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles215.castles.com [208.214.165.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07340 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:27:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00517; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:24:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199901012324.PAA00517@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Scott Barron cc: Christian Kuhtz , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WordPerfect8 (Was Re: Trouble with Staroffice5.0) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 31 Dec 1998 21:36:05 CST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 15:24:37 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > On 28-Dec-98 Christian Kuhtz wrote: > > > > WordPerfect8 works like a charm on a recent 3.0-CURRENT box. > > > > Cheers, > > Chris > > > > Does it have to be an ELF system? The install is failing here with > errors of ELF binary type not known. Ah well, regardless its time I get rid of > a.out anyway. Good thing its a long weekend :) No; it will run on a 2.2.2 system as far as I can tell. You don't have the Linux emulator running. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 15:30:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07731 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:30:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07661 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:30:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA18171; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:29:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:29:20 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199901012329.PAA18171@apollo.backplane.com> To: Garrett Wollman Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: object inconsistant state: RPC: 1, RC: 0 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :I just updated my kernel on one machine from about October to :yesterday's latest, and I'm suddenly getting a lot of these messages: : :Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 3, RC: 0 :Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 14, RC: 0 :Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 3, RC: 0 Try fsck'ing all your filesystems manually from single-user. It also looks like this code segment runs at splbio(), which is not high enough since vm_page_free() can mess with the vnode_tobefree list without using the vnode_free_list_slock. It needs to run at splvm() at the very least. Try changing: s = splbio(); to: s = splvm(); At around line 395 if kern/vfs_subr.c, in getnewvnode(). I dunno if this will solve the errors you are getting, though, since I run a pretty-heavily networked box and don't see these errors at all (and the difference between splbio() and splvm() is the addition of the network mask). If you can find some way to reproduce it on demand we might be able to track down exactly what is causing it. Are you using your network heavily? NFS (server or client)? -Matt :Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 14, RC: 0 :Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 36, RC: 0 :Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 36, RC: 0 :Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 1, RC: 0 :Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 1, RC: 0 :Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 42, RC: 0 :Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 42, RC: 0 :Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 2, RC: 0 :Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 2, RC: 0 :Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 2, RC: 0 :Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 2, RC: 0 : :...every time I access the filesystem (e.g., with `ls'). Since this :makes the machine unusable, I have for the moment commented out the :message. This message was added in rev. 1.134 (1998-02-23) by dyson :with a log message indicating that the condition should not occur. It :appeared to have been triggered (the first time) by a `ps' command. : :Anybody have any better ideas on what's going on here? For the :record, this is a dual-processor SMP, with nothing else special about :its configuration. : :Message buffer contains: : :Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc. :Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 : The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. :FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #11: Fri Jan 1 15:49:12 EST 1999 : root@xyz.lcs.mit.edu:/usr/src/sys/compile/XYZ :Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz :CPU: Pentium Pro (686-class CPU) : Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x619 Stepping=9 : Features=0xfbff :real memory = 268435456 (262144K bytes) :avail memory = 258490368 (252432K bytes) :Programming 24 pins in IOAPIC #0 :FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard : cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfec08000 : cpu1 (AP): apic id: 4, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfec08000 : io0 (APIC): apic id: 13, version: 0x00170011, at 0xfec00000 :Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xf0255000. :Preloaded elf module "star_saver.ko" at 0xf025509c. :Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: :chip0: rev 0x02 on pci0.0.0 :chip1: rev 0x01 on pci0.18.0 :chip2: rev 0x01 on pci0.20.0 :Probing for devices on PCI bus 1: :ahc0: rev 0x00 int a irq 17 on pci1.5.0 :ahc0: Using left over BIOS settings :ahc0: aic7880 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs :ed1: rev 0x00 int a irq 16 on pci1.8.0 :ed1: address 00:20:78:14:a1:4b, type NE2000 (16 bit) :fxp0: rev 0x01 int a irq 18 on pci1.10.0 :fxp0: Ethernet address 00:a0:c9:06:b2:1d :vga0: rev 0x22 on pci1.15.0 :Probing for devices on the ISA bus: :sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard :sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> :ed0 not found at 0x280 :sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa :sio0: type 16550A :psm0 at 0x60-0x64 irq 12 on motherboard :psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 :fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa :fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold :fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in :npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard :npx0: INT 16 interface :APIC_IO: routing 8254 via 8259 on pin 0 :Waiting 2 seconds for SCSI devices to settle :SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! :pt0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 :pt0: Fixed Processor SCSI-2 device :pt0: 3.300MB/s transfers :sa0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 3 lun 0 :sa0: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device :sa0: 5.0MB/s transfers (5.0MHz, offset 15) :da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 :da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device :da1: 40.0MB/s transfers (20.0MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled :da1: 8683MB (17783240 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 8683C) :da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 :da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device :da0: 40.0MB/s transfers (20.0MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled :da0: 4148MB (8496960 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 4148C) :da2 at ahc0 bus 0 target 10 lun 0 :da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device :da2: 40.0MB/s transfers (20.0MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled :da2: 4340MB (8888924 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 4340C) :changing root device to da0s1a :(da0:ahc0:0:0:0): tagged openings now 64 :(da0:ahc0:0:0:0): tagged openings now 63 :cd0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 :cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device :cd0: 4.901MB/s transfers (4.901MHz, offset 15) :cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present : :[wow! I didn't realize that the PPro has a `somebody else's problem' :feature!] : :-GAWollman : :-- :Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same :wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom :Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame :MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick : :To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org :with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message : Matthew Dillon Engineering, HiWay Technologies, Inc. & BEST Internet Communications & God knows what else. (Please include original email in any response) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 15:35:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08204 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:35:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08199 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:35:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA18223; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:35:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:35:18 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199901012335.PAA18223@apollo.backplane.com> To: Garrett Wollman , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: object inconsistant state: RPC: 1, RC: 0 References: <199901012329.PAA18171@apollo.backplane.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ::yesterday's latest, and I'm suddenly getting a lot of these messages: :: ::Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 3, RC: 0 ::Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 14, RC: 0 ::Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 3, RC: 0 : : Try fsck'ing all your filesystems manually from single-user. : : It also looks like this code segment runs at splbio(), which : is not high enough since vm_page_free() can mess with the vnode_tobefree : list without using the vnode_free_list_slock. It needs to run at splvm() : at the very least. Try changing: : : s = splbio(); : : to: : : s = splvm(); I take it back. No network interrupt should be calling vm_page_remove() (directly or indirectly) - unless there is a bug in one of the interrupt service routines that run at splnet... for example, a routine calling a normal kernel malloc() with the wrong arguments causing it to recycle a cache page. If changing splbio() to splvm() fixes the problem, there's a bug in a network driver somewhere. If it doesn't, then that isn't the problem and the code should remain at splbio(). -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 15:36:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08446 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:36:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oldnews.quick.net ([207.212.170.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08441 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:36:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from donegan@oldnews.quick.net) Received: (from donegan@localhost) by oldnews.quick.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA00669; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:35:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:35:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven P. Donegan" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Y2K, Y 2038? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is current Y2K functional? What about 2038? (when time_t struct goes bonkers on seconds since Jan 1, midnight, 1970)? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 15:49:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09139 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:49:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09121; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:49:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA21161; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:14:44 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id KAA48069; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:14:49 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19990102101449.Z41841@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:14:49 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Bob Bishop Cc: Tim Vanderhoek , "Jonathan M. Bresler" , green@unixhelp.org, mark@grondar.za, donegan@quick.net, scrappy@hub.org, dcs@newsguy.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required. References: <19981231205153.A6127@mad>; <199901010056.QAA11028@hub.freebsd.org> <19981231205153.A6127@mad> <19990101125155.B41841@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Bob Bishop on Fri, Jan 01, 1999 at 02:46:41PM +0000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Friday, 1 January 1999 at 14:46:41 +0000, Bob Bishop wrote: > Hi, > > At 12:51 pm +1030 1/1/99, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Tuesday, 29 December 1998 at 4:51:53 +2355, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: >> >> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 20:51:53 +875500 >> >> This is the second message today I got with a completely crazy time >> zone offset (which put you back two days in my inbox listing). Does >> anybody have any idea why? > > Perhaps he's not using sendmail :-) :-) :-) I must say, the idea crossed my mind :-) Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 15:51:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09518 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:51:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from algw2.lucent.com (algw2.lucent.com [205.147.213.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA09512 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:51:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmobrien@algw2.lucent.com) Cc: Eric Chet Received: from llama.bazzle.com by alig2.firewall.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-L sol2) id TAA01088; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 19:03:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (dob@localhost) by llama.bazzle.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA18363; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:50:39 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: llama.bazzle.com: dob owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:50:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan O'Brien" X-Sender: dmobrien@localhost To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Original-cc: Eric Chet Subject: Re: July 12th aout system buildworld fails in librpcsvc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 1 Jan 1999, Dan O'Brien wrote: > cc -O -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -pipe -DYP > -I/usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/rpcsvc > -I/usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp/usr/include > -I/usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c nfs_prot_xdr.c -o > nfs_prot_xdr.o > In file included from nfs_prot_xdr.c:6: > /usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/rpcsvc/nfs_prot.h:265: parse error > before `uint64' > ... ton of errors about parse errors, unknown types. To answer my own problem and to help out the other 2-3 folks who seemed to have the same problem (first reported on 12/23), I went back to first principles and debugged the problem at hand: nfs_prot.h had "bad" typedefs which turned out to be generated by an old (broken?) rpcgen. So I remade /usr/src/usr.bin/rpcgen by hand and installed it (and remade/installed /usr/src/includes just to make certain) and fired up buildworld. I'm now past the point where I stumbled. My new mantra: Keep current with Current/Keep current with Current/Keep... Cheers, Dan O'Brien Work: 614-860-2392 Page: 614-520-5001 Home: 740-927-2178 Home2: 740-927-2955 ---------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 15:55:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09900 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:55:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nyc-ny79-34.ix.netcom.com (nyc-ny79-34.ix.netcom.com [209.109.229.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09886 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:55:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spork@nyc-ny79-34.ix.netcom.com) Received: from spork (helo=localhost) by nyc-ny79-34.ix.netcom.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zwEO8-00036o-00; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:53:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:53:52 -0500 (EST) From: Spike Gronim Reply-To: sporkl@ix.netcom.com To: "Steven P. Donegan" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Y2K, Y 2038? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 1 Jan 1999, Steven P. Donegan wrote: > Is current Y2K functional? What about 2038? (when time_t struct goes > bonkers on seconds since Jan 1, midnight, 1970)? FreeBSD itself should remain functional on Y2K. Read www.freebsd.org/y2kbug.html for more info. In 2038 32 bit systems are going to run out of room to keep counting seconds. This is 38 years off, and will hopefully be fixed by then. -Spike Gronim sporkl@ix.netcom.com The majority only rules those who let them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 16:17:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13399 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:17:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vanessa.eliuk.org (pme53.sunshine.net [209.17.178.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13393 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:17:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kevin_eliuk@sunshine.net) Received: from localhost (cagey@localhost) by vanessa.eliuk.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA00496; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:16:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cagey@vanessa.eliuk.org) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:15:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Kevin G. Eliuk" Reply-To: "Kevin G. Eliuk" To: Wiliam Woods cc: Richard Seaman , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trouble with Staroffice5.0 In-Reply-To: <008c01be35ce$37780460$f301040a@c063.beaverton.stream.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 1 Jan 1999, Wiliam Woods wrote: > I notice you got StarOffice 5.0 running...Would you mind giving me > instructions how you did it? I would like to be able to use it as soon as I > get current up and running. I followed ALL the steps and applied all the patches from Richard Seaman posted at http://lt.tar.com/. If I am to understand correctly all I had to do is compile the source with -DCOMPAT_LINUX_THREADS added to CFLAGS and COPTFLAGS in the /etc/make.conf. If I'm wrong in this hopefully someone will correct me. > BTW, you are on an elf system I assume? I assume so too :-) I just recently upgraded to current and did the binary upgrade/install. Note to the developers: I really like the simplicity of the BTX boot loader(questions to follow)? -- Regards, Kevin G. Eliuk Discover Rock Solid, Discover FreeBSD | http://www.FreeBSD.Org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 16:20:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13762 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:20:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13754 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:20:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA01987; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:20:04 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id BAA89019; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:19:56 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19990102011956.C88411@follo.net> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:19:56 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Garrett Wollman , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: object inconsistant state: RPC: 1, RC: 0 References: <199901012103.QAA11700@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199901012103.QAA11700@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>; from Garrett Wollman on Fri, Jan 01, 1999 at 04:03:21PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 01, 1999 at 04:03:21PM -0500, Garrett Wollman wrote: > I just updated my kernel on one machine from about October to > yesterday's latest, and I'm suddenly getting a lot of these messages: > > Jan 1 15:50:40 xyz /kernel: object inconsistant state: RPC: 3, RC: 0 I just got a couple of these (well, RPC: 1, RC: 0) on my testbox, with sources from just before christmas. Note that I'm munging the filesystem and VM code on that box (aiming towards the end result of working stacking layers - I'm sick and tired of them not working), so it may be that the errors are not related at all. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 16:27:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14102 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:27:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pcnet1.pcnet.com (pcnet1.pcnet.com [204.213.232.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14097 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:27:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eischen@vigrid.com) Received: (from eischen@localhost) by pcnet1.pcnet.com (8.8.7/PCNet) id TAA02768; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 19:26:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 19:26:20 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Eischen Message-Id: <199901020026.TAA02768@pcnet1.pcnet.com> To: imp@village.org, peter@netplex.com.au Subject: Re: HEADS UP: FLAG DAY COMING (was Re: New aout-to-elf build failures.) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Wemm wrote: > 3: Build a new floppy with the new bootblocks, new boot loader and see that > it works on your system. To do this: > 1: get a formatted floppy ready > 2: disklabel -Brw -b /boot/boot1 -s /boot/boot2 /dev/rfd0.1440 fd1440 > 3: newfs -T fd1440 /dev/rfd0.1440 > 4: mount /dev/fd0.1440 /mnt > 5: mkdir /mnt/boot > 6: cp /boot/loader /mnt/boot/loader > 7: cp /kernel /mnt/kernel > 8: touch /mnt/boot/boot.conf > 9: umount /mnt Thanks for the directions. This works fine on my laptop with fd drive, but my home system doesn't currently have a floppy drive. It has a LS120 (wfd) drive and the same floppy doesn't work on it. It can't find /boot/loader. I suspect wfd support isn't built into boot2.c yet? Dan Eischen eischen@pcnet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 16:34:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14909 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:34:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles215.castles.com [208.214.165.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14902 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:34:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01084; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:30:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199901020030.QAA01084@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Daniel Eischen cc: imp@village.org, peter@netplex.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com Subject: Re: HEADS UP: FLAG DAY COMING (was Re: New aout-to-elf build failures.) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 01 Jan 1999 19:26:20 EST." <199901020026.TAA02768@pcnet1.pcnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 16:30:18 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Peter Wemm wrote: > > 3: Build a new floppy with the new bootblocks, new boot loader and see that > > it works on your system. To do this: > > 1: get a formatted floppy ready > > 2: disklabel -Brw -b /boot/boot1 -s /boot/boot2 /dev/rfd0.1440 fd1440 > > 3: newfs -T fd1440 /dev/rfd0.1440 > > 4: mount /dev/fd0.1440 /mnt > > 5: mkdir /mnt/boot > > 6: cp /boot/loader /mnt/boot/loader > > 7: cp /kernel /mnt/kernel > > 8: touch /mnt/boot/boot.conf > > 9: umount /mnt > > Thanks for the directions. This works fine on my laptop with fd drive, > but my home system doesn't currently have a floppy drive. It has a > LS120 (wfd) drive and the same floppy doesn't work on it. It can't > find /boot/loader. I suspect wfd support isn't built into boot2.c > yet? Actually, it *ought* to work at that point. It wouldn't suprise me if you had trouble booting with the LS120 as the root device, but I can't see why boot2 can't find the loader. What do you get if you type '?' at the boot: prompt? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 16:55:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16677 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:55:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pcnet1.pcnet.com (pcnet1.pcnet.com [204.213.232.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16671 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:55:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eischen@vigrid.com) Received: (from eischen@localhost) by pcnet1.pcnet.com (8.8.7/PCNet) id TAA05145; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 19:54:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 19:54:31 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Eischen Message-Id: <199901020054.TAA05145@pcnet1.pcnet.com> To: eischen@vigrid.com, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: HEADS UP: FLAG DAY COMING (was Re: New aout-to-elf build failures.) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, imp@village.org, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, peter@netplex.com.au Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > > Thanks for the directions. This works fine on my laptop with fd drive, > > but my home system doesn't currently have a floppy drive. It has a > > LS120 (wfd) drive and the same floppy doesn't work on it. It can't > > find /boot/loader. I suspect wfd support isn't built into boot2.c > > yet? > > Actually, it *ought* to work at that point. It wouldn't suprise me if > you had trouble booting with the LS120 as the root device, but I can't > see why boot2 can't find the loader. What do you get if you type '?' > at the boot: prompt? I got it to boot by using "0:wd(0,a)/kernel" at the prompt (wd instead of wfd). But to answer your question: No /boot/loader >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT Default:0:fd(0,a)/kernel boot: ? >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT Default:0:fd(0,a)/kernel boot: nothing happens when you type '?'. At first I thought it wasn't working at all because it wouldn't boot from fd0 nor wfd0, so I didn't think to try wd0 or even da0 (my system drive, which it'll boot also). Dan Eischen eischen@pcnet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 16:57:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17023 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:57:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles215.castles.com [208.214.165.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA17018 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:57:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01246; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:54:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199901020054.QAA01246@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Daniel Eischen cc: mike@smith.net.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, imp@village.org, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, peter@netplex.com.au Subject: Re: HEADS UP: FLAG DAY COMING (was Re: New aout-to-elf build failures.) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 01 Jan 1999 19:54:31 EST." <199901020054.TAA05145@pcnet1.pcnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 16:54:44 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Mike Smith wrote: > > > Thanks for the directions. This works fine on my laptop with fd drive, > > > but my home system doesn't currently have a floppy drive. It has a > > > LS120 (wfd) drive and the same floppy doesn't work on it. It can't > > > find /boot/loader. I suspect wfd support isn't built into boot2.c > > > yet? > > > > Actually, it *ought* to work at that point. It wouldn't suprise me if > > you had trouble booting with the LS120 as the root device, but I can't > > see why boot2 can't find the loader. What do you get if you type '?' > > at the boot: prompt? > > I got it to boot by using "0:wd(0,a)/kernel" at the prompt (wd instead > of wfd). But to answer your question: What if you try '0:wd(0,a)/boot/loader' ?? > No /boot/loader > > >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT > Default:0:fd(0,a)/kernel > boot: ? > > > >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT > Default:0:fd(0,a)/kernel > boot: > > nothing happens when you type '?'. Ok, looks like your BIOS might be playing funny games. If you get the loader to start as above, a copy of the BIOS drive summary it prints would be really handy. Thanks for the information. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 17:04:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17705 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:04:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA17697 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:04:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from green@unixhelp.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA13882; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:03:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:03:36 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Feldman X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: Wiliam Woods cc: "Kevin G. Eliuk" , Richard Seaman , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trouble with Staroffice5.0 In-Reply-To: <008c01be35ce$37780460$f301040a@c063.beaverton.stream.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 1 Jan 1999, Wiliam Woods wrote: > I notice you got StarOffice 5.0 running...Would you mind giving me > instructions how you did it? I would like to be able to use it as soon as I > get current up and running. BTW, you are on an elf system I assume? I finally got it up and running too, but I had to do a lot voodoo :] It won't work, as it errs in the middle of its BASIC registration script. Does anyone have a registration code they can share, or some other way to get one? > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin G. Eliuk > To: Richard Seaman > Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Friday, January 01, 1999 1:17 PM > Subject: Re: Trouble with Staroffice5.0 > > > >On Thu, 31 Dec 1998, Richard Seaman wrote: > > > >> The linux threads "port" isn't necessary for emulation, and therefore > >> not necessary for StarOffice. > > > >Okay, this is what I was originally to understand from your notes, > >although I wanted to try all avenues before asking the question. > > > >> > Any ideas on where I can go from here. > >> > >> Only one. I should note that I'm not a StarOffice guru by any means. > >> I've only tried it out as a test case of the linux threads emulation > >> code. > > > >> The idea is that StarOffice is a resource hog, and you don't have much > >> RAM. I'm not smart enought to read the output you sent to find how > >> much swap space you have. Is is possible you're just running out of > >> resources? When I run soffice, just the initial program, without > >> actually doing anything, shows 24MB of resident memory and 32MB of > >> total vm memory under "top". And, this is with my vm stack patches > >> applied. I'd guess the vm memory would jump another 10MB without > >> them. > > > >Oh yeah, finally got it to run. The problem was with the XF86_S3V, as > >soon as I switched to _SVGA I didn't have a problem. > > > >Very slow on the resources that I am giving it. > > > >> You presumably have an X server running, plus whatever else, so is > >> it possible you just need more RAM? I've only tried it on a > >> machine with 256MB of RAM and 512MB of swap. :) > > > > > >last pid: 1070; load averages: 0.05, 0.19, 0.25 up 0+02:58:05 > 13:05:27 > >46 processes: 1 running, 45 sleeping > > > >Mem: 9252K Active, 6748K Inact, 7276K Wired, 5824K Cache, 3448K Buf, 808K > Free > >Swap: 256M Total, 33M Used, 223M Free, 13% Inuse > > > > > > PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND > > 627 cagey 2 0 14728K 4224K select 4:37 0.05% 0.05% XF86_SVGA > > 646 cagey 2 0 3780K 1032K select 0:42 0.00% 0.00% kwm > > 998 cagey 2 0 47736K 3436K select 0:41 0.00% 0.00% > soffice.bin > > 647 cagey 10 0 3944K 232K nanslp 0:34 0.00% 0.00% maudio > > 641 cagey 2 0 6556K 696K select 0:17 0.00% 0.00% kfm > > 255 cagey 2 0 1388K 256K select 0:14 0.00% 0.00% ppp > > 645 cagey 2 0 4740K 1072K select 0:09 0.00% 0.00% kpanel > > 1060 cagey 2 0 4080K 1492K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% kvt > > 643 cagey 2 0 3944K 324K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% kbgndwm > > 257 cagey 2 0 996K 52K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% fetchmail > > 1052 cagey 2 0 4056K 1728K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% kvt > > 1061 cagey 10 0 3084K 604K nanslp 0:01 0.00% 0.00% pine > > 640 cagey 2 0 3768K 304K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% kwmsound > > 644 cagey 2 0 3812K 236K select 0:01 0.00% 0.00% krootwm > > 1008 cagey 10 0 47736K 3436K nanslp 0:01 0.00% 0.00% > soffice.bin > > 1037 cagey 18 0 47736K 3436K pause 0:00 0.00% 0.00% > soffice.bin > > 639 cagey 10 0 3952K 8K nanslp 0:00 0.00% 0.00% > kaudioserver > > 1062 cagey 3 0 1264K 532K ttyin 0:00 0.00% 0.00% vi > > > >Thanks for the help and have a HappyNewYear every one. > > > >--- > > Regards, > > Kevin G. Eliuk > > > >Discover Rock Solid, Discover FreeBSD | http://www.FreeBSD.Org > > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > Brian Feldman _ __ ___ ___ ___ green@unixhelp.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ http://www.freebsd.org/ _ __ ___ ____ | _ \__ \ |) | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ ___ ____ _____ |___/___/___/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 18:00:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22695 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:00:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pcnet1.pcnet.com (pcnet1.pcnet.com [204.213.232.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22686 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:00:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eischen@vigrid.com) Received: (from eischen@localhost) by pcnet1.pcnet.com (8.8.7/PCNet) id UAA10804; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:59:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:59:33 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Eischen Message-Id: <199901020159.UAA10804@pcnet1.pcnet.com> To: eischen@vigrid.com, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: HEADS UP: FLAG DAY COMING (was Re: New aout-to-elf build failures.) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, imp@village.org, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, peter@netplex.com.au Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > > I got it to boot by using "0:wd(0,a)/kernel" at the prompt (wd instead > > of wfd). But to answer your question: > > What if you try '0:wd(0,a)/boot/loader' ?? No /boot/loader >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT Default:0:fd(0,a)/kernel boot: 0:wd(0,a)/boot/loader BTX loader 0.01 BTX version is 0.87 Console: internal video/keyboard BIOS drive A: is disk0 BIOS drive C: is disk1 BIOS drive D: is disk2 FreeBSD/i386 bootstraploader, Revision 0.2 640/65472kB ... Can't open '/boot/boot.conf': no such file or directory Hit [Enter]... disk1s3a> It loaded /boot/loader from my SCSI drive, not from the LS-120 drive. Dan Eischen eischen@pcnet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 18:15:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24545 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:15:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rjlynn.ddns.org (svcr-247ppp45.epix.net [205.238.247.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA24540 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:15:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rjlynn@rjlynn.ddns.org) Received: from localhost (rjlynn@localhost) by rjlynn.ddns.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA00277 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:14:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rjlynn@rjlynn.ddns.org) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:14:55 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Lynn To: FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IDE Problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm just starting out on -Current and heard theres been a problem with wd disks since Christmas, is that true? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 18:15:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24801 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:15:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hyperreal.org (taz.hyperreal.org [209.133.83.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA24792 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:15:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@hyperreal.org) Received: (qmail 15622 invoked by uid 24); 2 Jan 1999 02:15:26 -0000 Message-Id: <4.1.19990101175424.00caa5c0@hyperreal.org> X-Sender: brian@hyperreal.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 17:55:44 -0800 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brian Behlendorf Subject: Fwd: Re: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 09:42 AM 1/1/99 -0800, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > discussion is being MOVED to freebsd-test. please subscribe to > freebsd-test. this is an mild abuse of freebsd-test, but i > have checked with the postmaster, its okay ;) he doesnt want > to set up another list right now. > > please do not send anymore mail on this subject to either > current or committers. I think it's entirely germane and appropriate for -current. >sendmail and postfix ports: > the user by default is left without an MTA. this is like sun > shipping solaris without a compiler.....PITA. > > PITA for the "moderately knowlegeable user". bad for the > "minimal hassle" user. the "expert user" will do it their way. This is personally my preferred option. The number of new Unix installations that need a MTA, that really need a MTA, is dropping fast. I think a "default" distribution that ships with no MTA is a good idea. Call me a heathen, but IMHO getting MTA's off the desktop computer and off anything but dedicated SMTP/POP/IMAP mailhosts is where things are going. We would be doing newbie users a favor by not installing something they probably don't really need. The only essential MTA-ish functionality is the ability to accept and queue locally-injected mail for relaying to a mailhost, which could be handled by a far simpler (and less politicized) program than a full-blown MTA. K.I.S.S., Brian --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- History is made at night; brian@hyperreal.org character is what you are in the dark. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 18:27:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25929 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:27:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [205.147.64.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25924 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:26:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from cybcon.com (bwoods@cybcon.com [205.147.64.49]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA08649 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:26:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:26:36 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Woods To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Make world fails...how to fix ?? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG OK, while trying to go from 2.2.6 to 3.0-current, I get this? I know it has something to do with the .mk files but I am not sure what? How would I fix this. I had to wipe my disk and the only CD's I had were 2.2.6. I just cvsupped ths ource and tried to compile....how would I fix this ? --------------------------------------------------- cc -O -pipe -I/usr/local/src/usr.bin/make -I/usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/local/src/usr.bin/make/lst.lib/lstLast.c cc -O -pipe -I/usr/local/src/usr.bin/make -I/usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/local/src/usr.bin/make/lst.lib/lstMember.c cc -O -pipe -I/usr/local/src/usr.bin/make -I/usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/local/src/usr.bin/make/lst.lib/lstNext.c cc -O -pipe -I/usr/local/src/usr.bin/make -I/usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/local/src/usr.bin/make/lst.lib/lstOpen.c cc -O -pipe -I/usr/local/src/usr.bin/make -I/usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/local/src/usr.bin/make/lst.lib/lstRemove.c cc -O -pipe -I/usr/local/src/usr.bin/make -I/usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/local/src/usr.bin/make/lst.lib/lstReplace.c cc -O -pipe -I/usr/local/src/usr.bin/make -I/usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/local/src/usr.bin/make/lst.lib/lstSucc.c cc -O -pipe -I/usr/local/src/usr.bin/make -I/usr/obj/aout/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -static -o make arch.o buf.o compat.o cond.o dir.o for.o hash.o job.o main.o make.o parse.o str.o suff.o targ.o var.o util.o lstAppend.o lstAtEnd.o lstAtFront.o lstClose.o lstConcat.o lstDatum.o lstDeQueue.o lstDestroy.o lstDupl.o lstEnQueue.o lstFind.o lstFindFrom.o lstFirst.o lstForEach.o lstForEachFrom.o lstInit.o lstInsert.o lstIsAtEnd.o lstIsEmpty.o lstLast.o lstMember.o lstNext.o lstOpen.o lstRemove.o lstReplace.o lstSucc.o compat.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment job.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment job.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment job.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment job.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment job.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment job.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment main.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. --------------------------- Thanks, Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 18:48:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27700 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:48:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.tar.com (ns.tar.com [204.95.187.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27687 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:48:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dick@ns.tar.com) Received: (from dick@localhost) by ns.tar.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA12259; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:47:55 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dick) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:47:55 -0600 From: Richard Seaman To: "Kevin G. Eliuk" Cc: Wiliam Woods , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trouble with Staroffice5.0 Message-ID: <19990101204755.F2862@tar.com> References: <008c01be35ce$37780460$f301040a@c063.beaverton.stream.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from Kevin G. Eliuk on Fri, Jan 01, 1999 at 04:15:54PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 01, 1999 at 04:15:54PM -0800, Kevin G. Eliuk wrote: > On Fri, 1 Jan 1999, Wiliam Woods wrote: > > > I notice you got StarOffice 5.0 running...Would you mind giving me > > instructions how you did it? I would like to be able to use it as soon as I > > get current up and running. > > I followed ALL the steps and applied all the patches from Richard Seaman > posted at http://lt.tar.com/. > > If I am to understand correctly all I had to do is compile the source > with -DCOMPAT_LINUX_THREADS added to CFLAGS and COPTFLAGS in the > /etc/make.conf. If I'm wrong in this hopefully someone will correct me. You also need to (and I assume you did) apply the proc cmdline patches listed at the site for StarOffice to run. You don't need these for other linux threads emulation that I'm aware of. -- Richard Seamman, Jr. email: dick@tar.com 5182 N. Maple Lane phone: 414-367-5450 Chenequa WI 53058 fax: 414-367-5852 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 18:52:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28202 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:52:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.tar.com (ns.tar.com [204.95.187.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28194 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:52:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dick@ns.tar.com) Received: (from dick@localhost) by ns.tar.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA12285; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:51:59 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dick) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:51:59 -0600 From: Richard Seaman To: Brian Feldman Cc: Wiliam Woods , "Kevin G. Eliuk" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trouble with Staroffice5.0 Message-ID: <19990101205159.G2862@tar.com> References: <008c01be35ce$37780460$f301040a@c063.beaverton.stream.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from Brian Feldman on Fri, Jan 01, 1999 at 08:03:36PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 01, 1999 at 08:03:36PM -0500, Brian Feldman wrote: > I finally got it up and running too, but I had to do a lot voodoo :] It > won't work, as it errs in the middle of its BASIC registration script. Does > anyone have a registration code they can share, or some other way to get one? The StarOffice instructions tell you that you need to add the Office50/bin directory to your default PATH. I had many problems trying to register, and could not complete registration, until I added the directory to my PATH in .profile. Once I did this, registration completed no problem. (The need to do this is also noted in the instructions for SO50 at http://lt.tar.com). -- Richard Seamman, Jr. email: dick@tar.com 5182 N. Maple Lane phone: 414-367-5450 Chenequa WI 53058 fax: 414-367-5852 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 18:55:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28433 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:55:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles215.castles.com [208.214.165.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28322 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:53:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06391; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:49:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199901020249.SAA06391@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Robert Lynn cc: FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IDE Problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 01 Jan 1999 21:14:55 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 18:49:09 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm just starting out on -Current and heard theres been a problem with wd > disks since Christmas, is that true? No. There's an outstanding problem with secondary IDE channels on some motherboards, but the problem has been with us for quite some time. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 19:55:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03215 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 19:55:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zeus.theinternet.com.au (zeus.theinternet.com.au [203.34.176.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03208 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 19:55:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from akm@zeus.theinternet.com.au) Received: (from akm@localhost) by zeus.theinternet.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA19030; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:55:21 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from akm) From: Andrew Kenneth Milton Message-Id: <199901020355.NAA19030@zeus.theinternet.com.au> Subject: Re: Buildworld fails in chpass In-Reply-To: from Chris Timmons at "Jan 1, 99 09:48:04 am" To: skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu (Chris Timmons) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:55:21 +1000 (EST) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG +----[ Chris Timmons ]--------------------------------------------- | | Hmmm... I've had successful buildworlds recently. Still having trouble? Yep. Tried cvsupping from elsewhere, tried deleting /usr/src/usr.bin/chpass and then cvsupping and then building. Dying in the same place. Related to PAM perhaps? -- Totally Holistic Enterprises Internet| P:+61 7 3870 0066 | Andrew The Internet (Aust) Pty Ltd | F:+61 7 3870 4477 | Milton ACN: 082 081 472 | M:+61 416 022 411 |72 Col .Sig PO Box 837 Indooroopilly QLD 4068 |akm@theinternet.com.au|Specialist To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 20:01:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA03902 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:01:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from opus.cts.cwu.edu (opus.cts.cwu.edu [198.104.92.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA03897 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:01:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu) Received: from localhost (skynyrd@localhost) by opus.cts.cwu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA16558; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:01:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:01:08 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Timmons To: Andrew Kenneth Milton cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Buildworld fails in chpass In-Reply-To: <199901020355.NAA19030@zeus.theinternet.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It looks like the abscence of yppasswd_private.h is the problem, and according to my system, the only place you would find that would be in your object tree (i.e. it is created by the build process.) % locate yppasswd_private.h /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/usr.bin/chpass/yppasswd_private.h /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/usr.bin/passwd/yppasswd_private.h /usr/obj/elf/usr/src/usr.sbin/rpc.yppasswdd/yppasswd_private.h Why don't you completely blast /usr/obj and then try buildworld again. I suppose it could be some other problem if you are trying on an aout system, but for now let's just try starting from scratch with a clean /usr/obj and a plain, 'make buildworld'... -Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 22:01:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13617 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:01:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lamb.sas.com (lamb.sas.com [192.35.83.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13612 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:01:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jwd@unx.sas.com) Received: from mozart (mozart.unx.sas.com [192.58.184.8]) by lamb.sas.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA27778 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from bb01f39.unx.sas.com by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA00263; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:00:41 -0500 Received: (from jwd@localhost) by bb01f39.unx.sas.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA23383 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:00:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jwd) From: "John W. DeBoskey" Message-Id: <199901020600.BAA23383@bb01f39.unx.sas.com> Subject: make release failure (sysinstall/disks.c) To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:00:36 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, We seem to be missing a declaration (or two).... /usr/src/release/sysinstall/disks.c: In function `diskPartitionWrite': /usr/src/release/sysinstall/disks.c:649: `boot1' undeclared (first use this function) /usr/src/release/sysinstall/disks.c:649: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /usr/src/release/sysinstall/disks.c:649: for each function it appears in.) /usr/src/release/sysinstall/disks.c:649: `boot2' undeclared (first use this function) *** Error code 1 with the code in question being: #ifdef __alpha__ Set_Boot_Blocks(d, boot1, NULL); #else Set_Boot_Blocks(d, boot1, boot2); #endif Thanks for looking at this! John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Jan 1 22:29:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA15663 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:29:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15651 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 22:29:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from green@unixhelp.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA15758; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:29:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:29:10 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Feldman X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: Richard Seaman cc: Wiliam Woods , "Kevin G. Eliuk" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trouble with Staroffice5.0 In-Reply-To: <19990101205159.G2862@tar.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 1 Jan 1999, Richard Seaman wrote: > On Fri, Jan 01, 1999 at 08:03:36PM -0500, Brian Feldman wrote: > > > I finally got it up and running too, but I had to do a lot voodoo :] It > > won't work, as it errs in the middle of its BASIC registration script. Does > > anyone have a registration code they can share, or some other way to get one? > > The StarOffice instructions tell you that you need to add the Office50/bin > directory to your default PATH. I had many problems trying to register, > and could not complete registration, until I added the directory to my > PATH in .profile. Once I did this, registration completed no problem. > (The need to do this is also noted in the instructions for SO50 at > http://lt.tar.com). Wow, that was the problem. I wouldn't have expected this. I _would_ have expected the shell script Office50/bin/soffice to do this automatically, however, and have modified it as such. > > -- > Richard Seamman, Jr. email: dick@tar.com > 5182 N. Maple Lane phone: 414-367-5450 > Chenequa WI 53058 fax: 414-367-5852 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > Brian Feldman _ __ ___ ___ ___ green@unixhelp.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ http://www.freebsd.org/ _ __ ___ ____ | _ \__ \ |) | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ ___ ____ _____ |___/___/___/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 00:27:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA25219 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 00:27:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA25035 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 00:25:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/Netplex) with ESMTP id QAA03776; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:16:20 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199901020816.QAA03776@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Brian Feldman cc: Richard Seaman , Wiliam Woods , "Kevin G. Eliuk" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trouble with Staroffice5.0 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 02 Jan 1999 01:29:10 EST." Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 16:16:04 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brian Feldman wrote: > On Fri, 1 Jan 1999, Richard Seaman wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 01, 1999 at 08:03:36PM -0500, Brian Feldman wrote: > > > > > I finally got it up and running too, but I had to do a lot voodoo :] It > > > won't work, as it errs in the middle of its BASIC registration script. Do es > > > anyone have a registration code they can share, or some other way to get one? > > > > The StarOffice instructions tell you that you need to add the Office50/bin > > directory to your default PATH. I had many problems trying to register, > > and could not complete registration, until I added the directory to my > > PATH in .profile. Once I did this, registration completed no problem. > > (The need to do this is also noted in the instructions for SO50 at > > http://lt.tar.com). > > Wow, that was the problem. I wouldn't have expected this. I _would_ have > expected the shell script Office50/bin/soffice to do this automatically, > however, and have modified it as such. I tried just about every permutation of this that I could think of (path at beginning, path at end, path for the xsession) and it never made any difference for me... The same old basic runtime error.. Incidently, I get basic runtime errors from other things too when I start trying sample scripts. Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 02:33:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA03421 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 02:33:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles354.castles.com [208.214.167.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA03415 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 02:32:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA76152; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 02:29:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199901021029.CAA76152@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Gregory Bond cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMC EtherEZ PnP In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:25:26 +1100." <199812310525.QAA20771@melba.bby.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 02:29:52 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I've got an SMC EtherEZ 8416 PnP card in an oldish P-100 system with a PnP > BIOS. Neither the GENERIC kernel nor the boot floppy nor any kernel I can > compile recognise this card. AFAICT from the mail list archives, this card (in > a non-PnP version) should be supported by the ed driver. There are no jumpers > or anything to turn off Prug-n-pray or to set ports/irqs etc. > > [As an aside: is there some easy way of mapping ethernet card or chipset to > driver name without "just knowing"?!?] Not easily, no. > I tried editing if_ed.c to add the correct PnP id to the ed_pnpids struct, but > at probe time I get the messages from boot -v: > [...] > vga0: rev 0x00 int a irq 12 on pci0.10.0 > Initializing PnP override table > Probing for PnP devices: > Trying Read_Port at 203 > Trying Read_Port at 243 > Trying Read_Port at 283 > PnP: CSN 2 COMP_DEVICE_ID = 0x0006d041 > CSN 1 Vendor ID: SMC8416 [0x1684a34d] Serial 0xc95830c0 Comp ID: @@@0000 [0x00000000] > port 0x0240 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 irq 11:0 drq 0:0 en 1 > port 0x0240 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 irq 11:0 drq 0:0 en 1 > ed1: Invalid ISA memory address range configured: 0x0 - 0x2000 That's bad. Make sure you have "non-PnP OS" selected in your BIOS settings. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 03:28:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA05961 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 03:28:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA05956 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 03:28:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by nlsystems.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00454; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:18:42 GMT Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:18:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Brian Feldman cc: Wiliam Woods , "Kevin G. Eliuk" , Richard Seaman , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trouble with Staroffice5.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 1 Jan 1999, Brian Feldman wrote: > On Fri, 1 Jan 1999, Wiliam Woods wrote: > > > I notice you got StarOffice 5.0 running...Would you mind giving me > > instructions how you did it? I would like to be able to use it as soon as I > > get current up and running. BTW, you are on an elf system I assume? > > I finally got it up and running too, but I had to do a lot voodoo :] It > won't work, as it errs in the middle of its BASIC registration script. Does > anyone have a registration code they can share, or some other way to get one? I had that. From the newsgroups, this is a common failure. Try running setup again and telling it to repair your installation. Failing that, try uninstalling and reinstalling. Worked for me, YMMV. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 05:31:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18238 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 05:31:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from as5200-01-254.no.neosoft.com (as5200-01-254.no.neosoft.com [206.27.167.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18233 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 05:31:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from conrads@as5200-01-254.no.neosoft.com) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by as5200-01-254.no.neosoft.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) id HAA18708 for current@freebsd.org; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 07:30:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 07:30:45 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: conrads@neosoft.com From: Conrad Sabatier To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Thanks, core team! (no sarcasm) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thank you for resurrecting Voxware for the time being. Much appreciated. -- Conrad Sabatier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 05:32:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18480 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 05:32:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cis.ohio-state.edu (mail.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.115.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18280 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 05:31:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cmcurtin@cis.ohio-state.edu) Received: from gold.cis.ohio-state.edu (gold.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.112.16]) by cis.ohio-state.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA22449; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 08:31:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from cmcurtin@localhost) by gold.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA22255; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 08:31:29 -0500 (EST) To: sporkl@ix.netcom.com Cc: "Steven P. Donegan" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Y2K, Y 2038? References: From: Matt Curtin Date: 02 Jan 1999 08:31:22 -0500 In-Reply-To: Spike Gronim's message of "Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:53:52 -0500 (EST)" Message-ID: Lines: 26 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Spike Gronim writes: > In 2038 32 bit systems are going to run out of room to keep counting > seconds. This is 38 years off, and will hopefully be fixed by then. We'll run out of seconds on 32 bit systems well before 38 years from now. Consider that some banks are now offering 35 year mortgages, and that it will be necessary to perform date calculations to the end of those loans. The wishful thinking about it being "fixed by then" is common, but doesn't really fly. Fixing the problem in the OS isn't a *huge* deal. (One could change the time() to return a 64 bit value.) The result, of course, would be dealing with all of the software that expects time() to return a 32 bit value. At least the core system has a finite amount of interfaces that would need to be massaged. The random stuff floating around the Net will prove more interesting to bring up to snuff... I'm not even sure what would happen in the case of old software compiled on a system with a 64 bit time() ... my guess is that it would perform a typecast from 64 to 32 bits, and overflow the value anyway. -- Matt Curtin cmcurtin@interhack.net http://www.interhack.net/people/cmcurtin/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 05:52:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA19368 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 05:52:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.gtn.com (mail.gtn.com [194.77.0.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA19358 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 05:52:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id OAA03769 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:45:22 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA35023 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:31:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19990102143105.A34733@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:31:05 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: make aout-to-elf failures (from 2.2.7-RELEASE to -current ELF) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi ! Yesterday I tried to upgrade my Laptop from 2.2.7-RELEASE to -current (ELF). I get compilation errors in the NFS area After a "make includes" and repeating make aout-to-elf I get the failures earlier ... I put a complete log of the output of the make aout-to-elf run into my homedir for evaluation. /d/users/andreas/make-aout-to-elf-failures -rw-r--r-- 1 andreas andreas 135732 Jan 1 14:30 make.log.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 andreas andreas 249209 Jan 1 09:31 make.log.old.gz Or is it recommended to upgrade to the latest 2.2-STABLE and then to -current ELF ... Well, will try that ... Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 05:52:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA19660 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 05:52:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.gtn.com (mail.gtn.com [194.77.0.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA19634 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 05:52:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id OAA03753; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:45:06 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA34088; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:03:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19990102140358.A34068@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:03:58 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: Greg Lehey , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make release broken References: <19981231143316.A36387@klemm.gtn.com> <19990101182134.P41841@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19990101182134.P41841@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Fri, Jan 01, 1999 at 06:21:34PM +1030 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 01, 1999 at 06:21:34PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Thursday, 31 December 1998 at 14:33:16 +0100, Andreas Klemm wrote: > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> Installing legacy boot > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > ... > > ===> Verifying install for nsgmls in /usr/ports/textproc/jade > > /bin/sh: not found > > *** Error code 1 (ignored) > > I had this recently on a ``make install''. It turned out that /bin/sh > was secured 600. What do you have? Well, have to repeat it ... Needed the diskspace in the meantime for burning CD's. But thanks for the good idea ... -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 05:58:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA20092 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 05:58:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell2.la.best.com (shell2.la.best.com [209.24.216.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA20080; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 05:58:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nugundam@shell2.la.best.com) Received: (from nugundam@localhost) by shell2.la.best.com (8.9.1/8.9.0/best.sh) id FAA06631; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 05:56:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19990102055658.A5621@la.best.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 05:56:58 -0800 From: "Joseph T. Lee" To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sendmail throughput (was: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required.) References: <199901011525.HAA22294@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199901011525.HAA22294@hub.freebsd.org>; from Jonathan M. Bresler on Fri, Jan 01, 1999 at 07:25:30AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 01, 1999 at 07:25:30AM -0800, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > yes, freebsd-current is only 1411 subscribers. you deleted the > part about delivery rate. delivery rate is very important. imagine > receiving mail 30 minutes or 3 hours later than everyone else on the > list. make participation difficult and fustrating. This sounds more like the discussion could be based in a newgroup format, which is designed for this kind of loading and response type forum; besides the prevalent available threading clients, and only dling/reading what you're interested in. I know there's comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, but I guess keeping the lists closed to subscribers only, is the priority. -- Joseph nugundam =best=com==/==\=IIGS=/==\=Playstation=/==\=Civic HX CVT=/==\ # Anime Expo 1998 >> www.anime-expo.org/ > # Redline Games >> www.redlinegames.com/ > # Cal-Animage Epsilon >> www.best.com/~nugundam/epsilon/ > # EX: The Online World of Anime & Manga >> www.ex.org/ / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 06:13:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20949 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 06:13:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hda.hda.com (hda-bicnet.bicnet.net [209.244.238.132] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20920 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 06:13:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dufault@hda.hda.com) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.hda.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA18234 for current@freebsd.org; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:09:43 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199901021409.JAA18234@hda.hda.com> Subject: if_ep probe failures related to reading back settings To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:09:42 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have trouble properly reading the settings back from a 3C509 on a 180MHz Cyrix MediaGX crash box. The result is that it won't always probe in at boot. I find that by increasing the DELAY by a factor of 10 and more importantly adding a delay before reading each serial bit of data (I assume we're reading back a serial EEPROM): Before: > outb(id_port, 0x80 + offset); > DELAY(1000); > for (i = 0; i < 16; i++) > data = (data << 1) | (inw(id_port) & 1); After: >#define DELAY_MULTIPLE 10 > outb(id_port, 0x80 + offset); > for (i = 0; i < 16; i++) { > DELAY(DELAY_MULTIPLE * 1000); > data = (data << 1) | (inw(id_port) & 1); > } that it always works. Without this I get signs of not reading back the data properly - for example, sometimes it will boot with a corrupt hardware address so that on another system I'll see this: > arp: 198.252.184.2 moved from 00:20:ff:ff:af:a0 to 00:20:eb:e8:96:3a > arp: 198.252.184.2 moved from 00:20:eb:e8:96:3a to e0:00:af:a0:96:3a > de0: receive: e0:00:af:a0:96:3a: bad crc > arp: 198.252.184.2 moved from e0:00:af:a0:96:3a to 00:20:af:a0:e5:8e > arp: 198.252.184.2 moved from 00:20:af:a0:e5:8e to 00:20:af:a0:96:3a Can someone check if we may be violating timings on reading that serial bus, or is it likely that this Cyrix has an inw that is too fast and I have to monkey with some BIOS settings? Peter -- Peter Dufault (dufault@hda.com) Realtime development, Machine control, HD Associates, Inc. Safety critical systems, Agency approval To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 06:39:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA22501 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 06:39:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from server.noc.demon.net (server.noc.demon.net [193.195.224.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA22496 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 06:39:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fanf@demon.net) Received: by server.noc.demon.net; id OAA10611; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:38:38 GMT Received: from fanf.noc.demon.net(195.11.55.83) by inside.noc.demon.net via smap (3.2) id xmaa10608; Sat, 2 Jan 99 14:38:23 GMT Received: from fanf by fanf.noc.demon.net with local (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0zwSC7-0003bb-00; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:38:23 +0000 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: Tony Finch Subject: Re: Y2K, Y 2038? Newsgroups: chiark.mail.freebsd.current In-Reply-To: Organization: Deliberate Obfuscation To Amuse Tony References: Message-Id: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:38:23 +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matt Curtin wrote: > >The wishful thinking about it being "fixed by then" is common, but >doesn't really fly. Fixing the problem in the OS isn't a *huge* deal. >(One could change the time() to return a 64 bit value.) The result, >of course, would be dealing with all of the software that expects >time() to return a 32 bit value. At least the core system has a >finite amount of interfaces that would need to be massaged. The >random stuff floating around the Net will prove more interesting to >bring up to snuff... And there are also those network protocols that represent time as a 32 bit count of seconds (either Unix time or some variant of it). Tony. -- f.a.n.finch fanf@demon.net dot@dotat.at To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 07:40:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA26368 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 07:40:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA26359 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 07:40:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from green@unixhelp.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA13448; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:39:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:39:41 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Feldman X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: Matt Curtin cc: sporkl@ix.netcom.com, "Steven P. Donegan" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Y2K, Y 2038? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2 Jan 1999, Matt Curtin wrote: > Spike Gronim writes: > > > In 2038 32 bit systems are going to run out of room to keep counting > > seconds. This is 38 years off, and will hopefully be fixed by then. > > We'll run out of seconds on 32 bit systems well before 38 years from > now. Consider that some banks are now offering 35 year mortgages, and > that it will be necessary to perform date calculations to the end of > those loans. > > The wishful thinking about it being "fixed by then" is common, but > doesn't really fly. Fixing the problem in the OS isn't a *huge* deal. > (One could change the time() to return a 64 bit value.) The result, > of course, would be dealing with all of the software that expects > time() to return a 32 bit value. At least the core system has a > finite amount of interfaces that would need to be massaged. The > random stuff floating around the Net will prove more interesting to > bring up to snuff... Trust me, we'll all be running systems of at LEAST 64-bits by then. Expecting a certain value is what time_t is for, of course needing a recompile then. > > I'm not even sure what would happen in the case of old software > compiled on a system with a 64 bit time() ... my guess is that it > would perform a typecast from 64 to 32 bits, and overflow the value > anyway. It's not a typecast, as it is runtime. If time_t is 64-bit and the system expects otherwise, look out. It can be interpreted VERY differently depening on the byte ordering of your architecture (Intel being LSB, m68k being MSB, two of the most popular 32-bit archs now). > > -- > Matt Curtin cmcurtin@interhack.net http://www.interhack.net/people/cmcurtin/ > Brian Feldman _ __ ___ ___ ___ green@unixhelp.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ http://www.freebsd.org/ _ __ ___ ____ | _ \__ \ |) | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ ___ ____ _____ |___/___/___/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 07:47:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA27053 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 07:47:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from netcom1.netcom.com (lax-ca66-49.ix.netcom.com [207.223.161.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA27047 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 07:47:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvh@ix.netcom.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by netcom1.netcom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) id HAA21182; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 07:47:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvh) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 07:47:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Michael V. Harding" Message-Id: <199901021547.HAA21182@netcom1.netcom.com> To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Help compiling emacs Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just upgraded to 3.0-current, using 12-15-98 as the checkout date - the current one wasn't working for me. I am also using a fresh ports checkout as of today. I've made includes and used 'mergemaster' to sync everything up. Any tips on compiling emacs-20.3? I get multiple errors - I did not have any problems with 2.2.8... cc -c -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../src -I/usr/ports/editors/emacs20/work/emacs-20.3/lib-src -I/usr/ports/editors/emacs20/work/emacs-20.3/lib-src/../src -O -pipe -Demacs /usr/ports/editors/emacs20/work/emacs-20.3/lib-src/movemail.c /usr/ports/editors/emacs20/work/emacs-20.3/lib-src/movemail.c: In function `strerror': /usr/ports/editors/emacs20/work/emacs-20.3/lib-src/movemail.c:892: conflicting types for `sys_errlist' /usr/include/stdio.h:225: previous declaration of `sys_errlist' gmake[1]: *** [movemail.o] Error 1 ... cc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DUSE_LUCID -I. -I/usr/ports/editors/emacs20/work/emacs-20.3/src -I/usr/X11R6/include -O -pipe xterm.c xterm.c: In function `x_term_init': xterm.c:7091: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type gmake[1]: *** [xterm.o] Error 1 ... cc -c -Demacs -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DUSE_LUCID -I. -I/usr/ports/editors/emacs20/work/emacs-20.3/src -I/usr/X11R6/include -O -pipe sysdep.c sysdep.c: In function `init_system_name': sysdep.c:2265: storage size of `uts' isn't known sysdep.c: At top level: sysdep.c:2406: `x_windows_lose_if_no_select_system_call' undeclared here (not in a function) sysdep.c:2591: warning: type mismatch with previous external decl sysdep.c:2488: warning: previous external decl of `read_input_waiting' sysdep.c:2591: warning: type mismatch with previous implicit declaration sysdep.c:2552: warning: previous implicit declaration of `read_input_waiting' sysdep.c:2591: warning: `read_input_waiting' was previously implicitly declared to return `int' sysdep.c: In function `read_input_waiting': sysdep.c:2602: too many arguments to function Bsysdep.c: In function `strerror': sysdep.c:3027: conflicting types for `sys_errlist' /usr/include/stdio.h:225: previous declaration of `sys_errlist' sysdep.c: In function `mkdir': sysdep.c:3689: argument `dpath' doesn't match prototype /usr/include/sys/stat.h:236: prototype declaration sysdep.c:3689: argument `dmode' doesn't match prototype /usr/include/sys/stat.h:236: prototype declaration sysdep.c: In function `rmdir': sysdep.c:3747: argument `dpath' doesn't match prototype /usr/include/unistd.h:95: prototype declaration gmake[1]: *** [sysdep.o] Error 1 ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 08:25:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA00425 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 08:25:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA00392 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 08:24:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA06723; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:20:43 +0100 (CET) To: Brian Feldman cc: Matt Curtin , sporkl@ix.netcom.com, "Steven P. Donegan" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Y2K, Y 2038? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 02 Jan 1999 10:39:41 EST." Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 17:20:43 +0100 Message-ID: <6721.915294043@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , Brian Feldman write s: >On 2 Jan 1999, Matt Curtin wrote: > >> Spike Gronim writes: >> >> > In 2038 32 bit systems are going to run out of room to keep counting >> > seconds. This is 38 years off, and will hopefully be fixed by then. >> >> We'll run out of seconds on 32 bit systems well before 38 years from >> now. Consider that some banks are now offering 35 year mortgages, and >> that it will be necessary to perform date calculations to the end of >> those loans. I know of no banks who use seconds in the calculation of their mortgages, much less any doing it with a time_t in the first place. I'm not even worried about Tue Jan 19 04:14:07 CET 2038, because I'll be busy getting a good nights sleep before the day before my 72nd birthday, and I think anybody who is worried about it at this point need a better grip on reality and history. Hint #1: http://www.bs2000.com/talos/7090.htm Hint #2: 2000 - 38 = 1962 Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "ttyv0" -- What UNIX calls a $20K state-of-the-art, 3D, hi-res color terminal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 08:40:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA01633 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 08:40:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fourier.physics.purdue.edu (fourier.physics.purdue.edu [128.210.146.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01508 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 08:40:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonsmith@fourier.physics.purdue.edu) Received: from localhost (jonsmith@localhost) by fourier.physics.purdue.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA02889; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:30:49 GMT (envelope-from jonsmith@fourier.physics.purdue.edu) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:30:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathan Smith To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: Brian Feldman , Matt Curtin , sporkl@ix.netcom.com, "Steven P. Donegan" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Y2K, Y 2038? In-Reply-To: <6721.915294043@critter.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 2 Jan 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message , Brian Feldman write > s: > > I'm not even worried about Tue Jan 19 04:14:07 CET 2038, because > I'll be busy getting a good nights sleep before the day before my > 72nd birthday, and I think anybody who is worried about it at this > point need a better grip on reality and history. > Look, in 1972, they never thought we'd run out of seconds. In the past decade, no one ever thought we'd hit year 2k. With the exception of the Mac people. Deal with it _now_ before the Y2038 Emergency is upon us and the world is freaking out over it. Perhaps an introduction of a 64 bit time, or larger under a different name, and have BSD start working over towards the new name now and deprecating the old time variable? I don't know the best way to do it, but if you shrug it off now, you will be doing _exactly_ what has been done before by programmers we want to strangle now. My $0.02 j.\ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 09:15:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03878 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:15:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03873 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:15:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06814; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 18:11:58 +0100 (CET) To: Jonathan Smith cc: Brian Feldman , Matt Curtin , sporkl@ix.netcom.com, "Steven P. Donegan" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Y2K, Y 2038? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 02 Jan 1999 11:30:49 GMT." Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 18:11:58 +0100 Message-ID: <6812.915297118@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , Jonathan Smi th writes: > >On Sat, 2 Jan 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> In message , Brian Feldman write >> s: >> >> I'm not even worried about Tue Jan 19 04:14:07 CET 2038, because >> I'll be busy getting a good nights sleep before the day before my >> 72nd birthday, and I think anybody who is worried about it at this >> point need a better grip on reality and history. >> > >Look, in 1972, they never thought we'd run out of seconds. In the past >decade, no one ever thought we'd hit year 2k. With the exception of the >Mac people. Deal with it _now_ before the Y2038 Emergency is upon us and >the world is freaking out over it. Perhaps an introduction of a 64 bit >time, or larger under a different name, and have BSD start working over >towards the new name now and deprecating the old time variable? I don't >know the best way to do it, but if you shrug it off now, you will be doing >_exactly_ what has been done before by programmers we want to strangle >now. I don't shrug it off, I point out that the R1 was a hot iron 38 years before Y2K, so we're likely to see at least half as much (Moors law predicts far more) development in the 38 years after Y2k before 2038 becomes a problem. It's called perspective. Y2K is about bad assumptions, 2038 is about good assumptions needing change, as predicted, in plenty of time before the problem. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "ttyv0" -- What UNIX calls a $20K state-of-the-art, 3D, hi-res color terminal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 09:20:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04417 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:20:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.tar.com (ns.tar.com [204.95.187.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04390 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:20:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dick@ns.tar.com) Received: (from dick@localhost) by ns.tar.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA18017; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:19:06 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dick) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:19:06 -0600 From: Richard Seaman To: Doug Rabson Cc: Brian Feldman , Wiliam Woods , "Kevin G. Eliuk" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trouble with Staroffice5.0 Message-ID: <19990102111905.I2862@tar.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from Doug Rabson on Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 11:18:26AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 11:18:26AM +0000, Doug Rabson wrote: > > I finally got it up and running too, but I had to do a lot voodoo :] It > > won't work, as it errs in the middle of its BASIC registration script. Does > > anyone have a registration code they can share, or some other way to get one? > > I had that. From the newsgroups, this is a common failure. Try running > setup again and telling it to repair your installation. Failing that, try > uninstalling and reinstalling. Worked for me, YMMV. When I had problems with registration, I unistalled, reinstalled, and then set the default PATH to include the Office50/bin directory. I had assumed that the reason it worked the second time was that I managed to set the PATH variable. But, maybe the deinstall/reinstall did something too. I'm also interested in a message you posted a few days ago, that SO50 runs on an SMP machine without threads. I guess I (and others) had assumed the reason SO50 hadn't worked before was because it needed a functioning linux_clone and the rest of the linux threads emulation to work. Perhaps this wasn't true. In working on the linux threads emulation, and also on SO50, a bug in linux_pipe was discovered and fixed. Perhaps this was all that kept SO50 from running? Maybe it just needs the fixed linux_pipe and thats all? I haven't tried SO50 without the linux threads patches, but it might be interesting for someone to try it with the linux_pipe patches (included by default in -current sources after about Dec 10) but without any of the other linux threads patches enabled (ie. compiled without COMPAT_LINUX_THREADS). Presumably you would still need the proc cmdline patches. -- Richard Seamman, Jr. email: dick@tar.com 5182 N. Maple Lane phone: 414-367-5450 Chenequa WI 53058 fax: 414-367-5852 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 10:34:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11860 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:34:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from almond.elite.net (almond.elite.net [205.199.220.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11843 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:33:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from moschkau@moschkau.com) Received: from almond.elite.net (moschkau@almond.elite.net [205.199.220.5]) by almond.elite.net (8.8.3/ELITE) with SMTP id KAA24227; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:31:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:31:57 -0800 (PST) From: George X-Sender: moschkau@almond.elite.net To: Leif Neland cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: user-ppp broken since a few days ago? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG How did you make the printing come out in red Leif? Interesting!!! On Fri, 27 Nov 1998, Leif Neland wrote: > Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 02:39:40 +0100 (CET) > From: Leif Neland > To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: user-ppp broken since a few days ago? > > I usually run cvsup and make world every night (don't want the poor > machine to get bored...) > > A few mornings ago I couldn't connect anymore with ppp. > Luckily I got the idea of using /stand/ppp, and it works. > > -r-xr-xr-x 19 root bin 1171456 24 Jul 06:59 /stand/ppp > -r-sr-xr-- 1 root network 193212 26 Nov 04:54 /usr/sbin/ppp > > Logfile of current ppp: > Nov 27 02:24:00 gina ppp[222]: tun0: Phase: deflink: dial -> login > Nov 27 02:24:00 gina ppp[222]: tun0: Phase: deflink: login -> lcp > Nov 27 02:24:00 gina ppp[222]: tun0: LCP: FSM: Using "deflink" as a transport > Nov 27 02:24:00 gina ppp[222]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Initial --> Closed > Nov 27 02:24:00 gina ppp[222]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Closed --> Stopped > Nov 27 02:24:02 gina ppp[222]: tun0: Phase: Unknown protocol 0x0801 (unrecognised protocol) > Nov 27 02:24:02 gina ppp[222]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendProtocolRej(1) state = Stopped > Nov 27 02:24:03 gina ppp[222]: tun0: LCP: deflink: LayerStart > Nov 27 02:24:03 gina ppp[222]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(1) state = Stopped > Nov 27 02:24:03 gina ppp[222]: tun0: LCP: ACFCOMP[2] > Nov 27 02:24:03 gina ppp[222]: tun0: LCP: PROTOCOMP[2] > Nov 27 02:24:03 gina ppp[222]: tun0: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000 > Nov 27 02:24:03 gina ppp[222]: tun0: LCP: MRU[4] 1500 > Nov 27 02:24:03 gina ppp[222]: tun0: LCP: MAGICNUM[6] 0x71f4a124 > Nov 27 02:24:03 gina ppp[222]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Stopped --> Req-Sent > Nov 27 02:24:05 gina ppp[222]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Carrier lost > Nov 27 02:24:05 gina ppp[222]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Req-Sent --> Starting > Nov 27 02:24:05 gina ppp[222]: tun0: LCP: deflink: LayerFinish > Nov 27 02:24:05 gina ppp[222]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Starting --> Initial > Nov 27 02:24:05 gina ppp[222]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Disconnected! > Nov 27 02:24:05 gina ppp[222]: tun0: Phase: deflink: lcp -> hangup > Nov 27 02:24:05 gina ppp[222]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connect time: 9 secs: 23 octets in, 74 octets out > Nov 27 02:24:05 gina ppp[222]: tun0: Phase: total 10 bytes/sec, peak 19 bytes/sec on Fri Nov 27 02:24:05 1998 > Nov 27 02:24:05 gina ppp[222]: tun0: Phase: deflink: hangup -> closed > Nov 27 02:24:05 gina ppp[222]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Dead > > /stand/ppp: > > Nov 27 02:26:07 gina ppp[560]: tun0: Connect: CONNECT > Nov 27 02:26:07 gina ppp[560]: tun0: IPCP: Using trigger address 0.0.0.0 > Nov 27 02:26:07 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: State change Initial --> Closed > Nov 27 02:26:07 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: State change Closed --> Stopped > Nov 27 02:26:09 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: LcpSendConfigReq > Nov 27 02:26:09 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: ACFCOMP[2] > Nov 27 02:26:09 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: PROTOCOMP[2] > Nov 27 02:26:09 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000 > Nov 27 02:26:09 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: MRU[4] 1500 > Nov 27 02:26:09 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: MAGICNUM[6] 0x1ddb61c0 > Nov 27 02:26:09 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: State change Stopped --> Req-Sent > Nov 27 02:26:09 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: Received Configure Reject (1) state = Req-Sent (6) > Nov 27 02:26:09 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: RecvConfigRej. > Nov 27 02:26:09 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: PROTOCOMP[2] > Nov 27 02:26:09 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: ACFCOMP[2] > Nov 27 02:26:09 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: LcpSendConfigReq > Nov 27 02:26:09 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000 > Nov 27 02:26:09 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: MRU[4] 1500 > Nov 27 02:26:09 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: MAGICNUM[6] 0x1ddb61c0 > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: Received Configure Ack (2) state = Req-Sent (6) > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: State change Req-Sent --> Ack-Rcvd > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: Received Configure Request (1) state = Ack-Rcvd (7) > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000 > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: AUTHPROTO[4] 0xc023 (PAP) > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: MAGICNUM[6] 0x0267d36b > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: SendConfigAck(Ack-Rcvd) > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: ACCMAP[6] 0x00000000 > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: AUTHPROTO[4] 0xc023 (PAP) > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: MAGICNUM[6] 0x0267d36b > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: State change Ack-Rcvd --> Opened > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: LcpLayerUp > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: Phase: NewPhase: Authenticate > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: Phase: his = PAP, mine = none > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: Phase: PAP: idk70486 > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: Phase: PapInput: ACK > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: Phase: Received PAP_ACK (Login Succeeded) > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: Phase: NewPhase: Network > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: IPCP: State change Initial --> Closed > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: IPCP: IPCP Up event!! > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: IPCP: IpcpSendConfigReq > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 0.0.0.0 > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: IPCP: COMPPROTO[6] 16 VJ slots with slot compres > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: IPCP: State change Closed --> Req-Sent > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: CCP: State change Initial --> Closed > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: CCP: CCP Up event!! > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: CCP: CcpSendConfigReq > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: CCP: DEFLATE[4] win 15 > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: CCP: PRED1[2] > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: CCP: State change Closed --> Req-Sent > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: IPCP: Received Configure Request (1) state = Req-Sent (6) > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: IPCP: COMPPROTO[6] 16 VJ slots without slot compression > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 194.19.140.21 > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: IPCP: SendConfigAck(Req-Sent) > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: IPCP: COMPPROTO[6] 16 VJ slots without slot compression > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 194.19.140.21 > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: IPCP: State change Req-Sent --> Ack-Sent > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: IPCP: Received Configure Nak (1) state = Ack-Sent (8) > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 194.255.12.232 > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: IPCP: IPADDR[6] changing address: 0.0.0.0 --> 194.255.12.232 > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: IPCP: IpcpSendConfigReq > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 194.255.12.232 > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: IPCP: COMPPROTO[6] 16 VJ slots with slot compres > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: Received Protocol Reject (2) state = Opened (9) > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: -- Protocol (80fd) was rejected. > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: CCP: CcpLayerFinish. > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: CCP: State change Req-Sent --> Stopped > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: IPCP: Received Configure Ack (2) state = Ack-Sent (8) > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: IPCP: State change Ack-Sent --> Opened > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: IPCP: IpcpLayerUp(9). > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: IPCP: myaddr = 194.255.12.232 hisaddr = 194.19.140.21 > Nov 27 02:26:10 gina ppp[560]: tun0: LCP: OsLinkup: 194.19.140.21 > > What's up? Why only me? Or are the others who are hit by this unable to > get connected at all and tell us? :-) > > Leif > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 11:15:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16553 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:15:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16542 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:15:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA75921; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:15:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Jonathan Smith cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Y2K, Y 2038? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 02 Jan 1999 11:30:49 GMT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 14:15:07 -0500 Message-ID: <75916.915304507@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jonathan Smith wrote in message ID : > the world is freaking out over it. Perhaps an introduction of a 64 bit > time, or larger under a different name, and have BSD start working over > towards the new name now and deprecating the old time variable? While the world is still using 32bit CPUs the move to 64bit time_t will be expensive in terms of performance. We could probably make the move on the DEC Alpha, but until ppl move to the Merced (or whatever 64bit P.O.S. Intel produces) I don't think many people will like to take the performance degredation now. Personally, my thoughs on how to do this are to have new syscalls which return 64 bit time_t variables, and you choose at compile time which ones you get (i.e. sorta like the way solaris 7 has done things) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 11:37:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19094 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:37:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cheddar.netmonger.net (cheddar.netmonger.net [209.54.21.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19083 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:37:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@cheddar.netmonger.net) Received: (from chris@localhost) by cheddar.netmonger.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27859; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:37:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990102143728.A23411@netmonger.net> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:37:28 -0500 From: Christopher Masto To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wanton Atticizing is bad References: <68606.914783086@critter.freebsd.dk> <19981227163320.A998@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19981227163320.A998@tidalwave.net>; from Lee Cremeans on Sun, Dec 27, 1998 at 04:33:20PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Dec 27, 1998 at 04:33:20PM -0500, Lee Cremeans wrote: > On Sun, Dec 27, 1998 at 07:24:46PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > In message , Brian > > Feldman writes: > > >What was the reasoning behind ft though? > > > > It's badly implemented and many capable persons have failed to find a > > way to solve the rather serious problems it suffers from. ATAPI tapes > > seems to be the way of the future for cheap tapes. > > If ft were as nice as the SCSI tape driver, then I'd say keep it, but ft is > extremely crocky (I know, I tried using it once) and very, _very_ slow since > it has to use the floppy drive controller. IMHO, "slow" is not the problem. Yes, floppy tape can range from abysmally slow to annoyingly slow, but I'm sure there are a lot of people who don't care - pop a tape in the drive and when it's done, it's done. I looked at "fixing" the ft driver at one point. I was going to make it look just like a regular SCSI tape to the outside world. It's doable, but I have yet to accumulate any free time for the task. In any event, it would probably not keep _any_ of the existing ft code. If I ever do produce such a driver, I will attempt to use whatever module mechanism we have by then. Now I want to comment on the cleanups, though I suspect this may fall on deaf ears. FreeBSD is a wonderful thing. I have been using it extensively in the Internet service business for several years. Stable and current branches are installed on around 10 servers at my current company, doing everything from web serving, to usenet news, to faxing and paging, to temperature monitoring. I have installed it on my personal machine at home, and on my office workstation. I know many people who use FreeBSD after seeing how successful we have been with it. I have personally converted a nearby to FreeBSD after their NT-based web, e-mail, and file sharing systems disappointed them time after time.. and since the change, they have not had a single failure or complaint. I actively remind people who make the error that Linux, while certainly deserving of praise, is not the only free Unix out there. I have found bugs, submitted PRs and patches, written drivers, and managed to get the occasional submitted-by in CVS somewhere. In short, I am a BSD devotee. That said, I may soon be forced to jump ship and switch to Linux. I conceed that many of the things being vaporized are unimportant on my big server machines that need little more than high-end SCSI drivers and a stable kernel. But that's not the only place I use FreeBSD. For the past six months, I have had an exclusively FreeBSD-based desktop, at work and at home. I do all of my computer-related work AND play on FreeBSD. That means that things like sound cards and x-10 and pccard and other "toys" are very important to me. And I am a big advocate of free, open-source software, so I'm not going to go out and buy OSS. I would hate to see FreeBSD move to a model where virtually all of the drivers were proprietary loadable modules. I would also hate to see FreeBSD-for-the-desktop die. I already spent enough time working around the linuxisms in things like GNOME, but I've always felt that it's worth the effort to have a choice. But I only have so much time to futz with this stuff.. it becomes more and more tempting to just use that other free unix that already has support for my toys. What I'm getting at is that if we want to stand a chance of being able to increase FreeBSD's visibility, it has to be _useful_ to _more_ people. It seems like some of these drivers are being removed simply because nobody on the core team uses them. Hell, I don't use most of them either, and I'd love to have less to comment out when I configure my kernel, but I've already had the experience of having to say "If you upgrade to 3.0, you will lose support for your SCSI card." In summary, please don't remove working drivers that have no replacement yet just because they're old. At least go through a release or two with a comment next to them saying "We need a maintainer for this or it may go away". Give it a chance. Since this is way too long and rambling to have been read through, and it doesn't belong as an appendix to a comment on the ft driver, I think I'll stop here. -- Christopher Masto Director of Operations NetMonger Communications chris@netmonger.net info@netmonger.net http://www.netmonger.net "Good tools allow users to do stupid things." -- Clay Shirky To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 11:50:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21378 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:50:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (send1e.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA21370 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:50:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from osiris2002@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19990102194521.3290.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [139.141.220.7] by send1e; Sat, 02 Jan 1999 11:45:21 PST Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:45:21 -0800 (PST) From: Charlie Roots Subject: FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE or CURRENT can COMPILE ! (update) To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi there, I sent an email some 10 days ago complaining about BuildWorld failures on CVSUPED code. If you were tracing that feed, here's my current situation. I tried to be conservative with the old system but it seemed not enough to get things working or the system to become clean. So after tring the suggestions that helpful users gave me, unfortunately the system was resisting the nice approach, and needed some frying ;-) So, I had a 2.2.2 CDROM, from there I manually copied the /bin and /src directories. I installed the /bin using its own install.sh script, and so did for the /src (after backing up the old (actually the more recent) /src) Then I did a make world in /src, and installed a news 2.2.2 kernel, now the system is clean but a backwards operating system is running. Since my original target was to establish a clean 3.0-current system, so I jumped to ftp.freebsd.org and got the 3.0-RELEASE /bin, /src, /proflib, and installed them also manually by their own install.sh scripts (after backing up the whole /src, and /obj of the installed 2.2.2 system in case I get stuck I should be able to recover the clean 2.2.2 system. So, I made a make world on the 3.0-RELEASE /src and all went well, after some strugling with the aout-to-elf and aou-to-elf install. Finally I get a booting 3.0-RELEASE, which can compile and update the entire system from SOURCE, this is called in FreeBSD terms (upgrading from source) and it really gives you a flexible and controllable system. Back to my greedy nature, I said ok now lets try the previously downloaded (CVSUPed) 3.0-CURRENT /src, and did a make world there, succefully. Now I have on problem. After I installed the 3.0-RELEASE system and thereafter my system is ELF by default, I personally prefer to be ELF since it is the future and aout is the past or at the best the dying present. I made sure the system is ELF by doing an edit in /etc/make.conf, and by checking /etc/objformat, and by initializing an environmental variable OBJFORMAT. (ENOUGH EAH ?) ok, now I also check the newly born binaries of the operating system, they are ELF, and any newly compiled binaries, they are ELF. I used an editor to open the binary and look for ELFFreeBSD string in the first few bytes of binary header. The problem: ------------ X windows got angry, and could not start saying that libX11.so.6.1 not found then it has bad magic ( 2 errors generated), also another libX... library (can't remember its name now) so I figured rebuilding the X from scratch on the EFL system would solve the problem, actually the whole source of X system was residing long ago on my system (version 6.331), so I gave it a try. Still the same error message. I browsed for the libs, I found an elf version of the X libraries in /usr/lib, and all newly born X binaries are ELF, so what's the problem. The Bigger Problem ------------------ The system won't boot with an ELF kernel, and only accepts the aout type, that is automatically generated during the upgrade (kernel.GENERIC), I tried to convince /etc/make to do this, and checked for the /boot/loader, and /boot.config no luck until now. Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance. == MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 12:12:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23887 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:12:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles335.castles.com [208.214.167.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23880 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:12:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00540; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:09:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199901022009.MAA00540@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Matt Curtin cc: sporkl@ix.netcom.com, "Steven P. Donegan" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Y2K, Y 2038? In-reply-to: Your message of "02 Jan 1999 08:31:22 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 12:09:21 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Spike Gronim writes: > > > In 2038 32 bit systems are going to run out of room to keep counting > > seconds. This is 38 years off, and will hopefully be fixed by then. > > We'll run out of seconds on 32 bit systems well before 38 years from > now. Consider that some banks are now offering 35 year mortgages, and > that it will be necessary to perform date calculations to the end of > those loans. This reflects a common fallacy, namely that the time format used by the operating system to report the value of "now" is meant for general purpose time calculations. It isn't, and the correct fix is, as it always has been, to select the time format to suit the application. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 12:16:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24476 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:16:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24469; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:16:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA34004; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:15:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:15:47 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199901022015.MAA34004@apollo.backplane.com> To: "Gary Palmer" Cc: Jonathan Smith , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Y2K, Y 2038? Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :While the world is still using 32bit CPUs the move to 64bit time_t will be :expensive in terms of performance. We could probably make the move on the DEC :Alpha, but until ppl move to the Merced (or whatever 64bit P.O.S. Intel :produces) I don't think many people will like to take the performance :degredation now. : :Personally, my thoughs on how to do this are to have new syscalls which return :64 bit time_t variables, and you choose at compile time which ones you get :(i.e. sorta like the way solaris 7 has done things) : :Gary My personal opinion is that timekeeping and conversion is not generally a critical performance component in any program, and that the only time you typically manipulate it in a sophisticated fashion is when you are doing time conversions, and even then you are only doing a few multiplications and divisions before it is broken down enough that 'int' can be used internally. I consider the performance overhead of moving to a 64 bit time_t to be minimal. In fact, I consider it to be virtually nil, just as the performance overhead of using 64 bit file offsets internally is virtually nil. Now, it seems doubtful to me that we can actually redefine 'time_t' itself - we'd probably need a 'ltime_t' or 'dtime_t' or whatever the standards organizations have come up with, but I see no problem in converting all internal library routines to operate on a 64 bit time quantity and just leave the leafs to support the old function calls. -Matt Matthew Dillon Engineering, HiWay Technologies, Inc. & BEST Internet Communications & God knows what else. (Please include original email in any response) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 12:16:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24510 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:16:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24500 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:16:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id HAA07567; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 07:19:41 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199901022019.HAA07567@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: make aout-to-elf failures (from 2.2.7-RELEASE to -current ELF) In-Reply-To: <19990102143105.A34733@klemm.gtn.com> from Andreas Klemm at "Jan 2, 99 02:31:05 pm" To: andreas@klemm.gtn.com (Andreas Klemm) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 07:19:39 +1100 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andreas Klemm wrote: > After a "make includes" and repeating > make aout-to-elf > > I get the failures earlier ... > > I put a complete log of the output of the make aout-to-elf run > into my homedir for evaluation. > > /d/users/andreas/make-aout-to-elf-failures > -rw-r--r-- 1 andreas andreas 135732 Jan 1 14:30 make.log.gz > -rw-r--r-- 1 andreas andreas 249209 Jan 1 09:31 make.log.old.gz > > Or is it recommended to upgrade to the latest 2.2-STABLE and > then to -current ELF ... Well, will try that ... There is no point trying to convert from 2.2.anything to current due to bootstrap breakage in current. This was introduced when changes were made to rpcgen which required current headers. The initial bootstrap must use the _installed_ headers and libraries to build the tools that are needed to build the includes and the libraries. Any change to tools like rpcgen which cannot use the installed headers and libraries shouldn't be committed. The include files should only be installed with the libraries they match. Doing a `make includes' on its own will _cause_ a mismatch. Until the breakage is fixed, it is best to go though the upgrade procedure with 3.0-RELEASE sources. There is no way you can upgrade with current. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 12:25:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA25881 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:25:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from maui.net (maui.net [207.175.210.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25861 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:25:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from langfod@kauai.pacificglobal.net) Received: from kauai.pacificglobal.net (Kauai.PacificGlobal.NET [209.84.182.101]) by maui.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA23823 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:25:18 -1000 (HST) Received: (from langfod@localhost) by kauai.pacificglobal.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) id KAA11355 for current@freebsd.org; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:25:18 -1000 (HST) From: David Langford Message-Id: <199901022025.KAA11355@kauai.pacificglobal.net> Subject: Re: Thanks, core team! (no sarcasm) In-Reply-To: from Conrad Sabatier at "Jan 2, 1999 7:30:45 am" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:25:17 -1000 (HST) X-blank-line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Definite ditto. Nice to have my Gravis working again. Thank you, -David Langford >Thank you for resurrecting Voxware for the time being. Much appreciated. >Conrad Sabatier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 12:46:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28083 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:46:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ianai.BlackSun.org ([168.100.186.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28077 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:46:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tugrul@ianai.BlackSun.org) Received: from localhost (tugrul@localhost) by ianai.BlackSun.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA14028 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:40:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tugrul@ianai.BlackSun.org) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:40:49 -0500 (EST) From: Tugrul To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: sc0 or vt0 troubles with AGP G200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've tried a few combinations of options for both vt0 and sc0, but anyway I compile it, any kernel from todays sources just doesn't print anything after the highlighted kernel messages at boot. I thought I should build a GENERIC kernel, since GENERIC from 3.0-RELEASE works, but that doesn't build today either :-) So is there a known issue with AGP or AGP G200 cards I missed somewhere? The G200 is a Millenium with 8MB and bios revision 1.6. The motherboard is a Epox EP-51MVP3E-M with a K6-2 300 (3 x 100). Installed -RELEASE today, currently building today's world. I want ext2fs and softupdates in my kernel soon! :-) msdosfs from -RELEASE also seems broken. tugrul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 13:03:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29622 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:03:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dns.webwizard.net.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29617 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:03:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Received: from webwizard.org.mx (dns.webwizard.com.mx [148.245.50.27]) by dns.webwizard.net.mx (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA52563; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:01:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from eculp@webwizard.org.mx) Message-ID: <368E8927.1FB00E07@webwizard.org.mx> Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 15:01:27 -0600 From: Edwin Culp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tugrul CC: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sc0 or vt0 troubles with AGP G200 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tugrul wrote: > I've tried a few combinations of options for both vt0 and sc0, but > anyway I compile it, any kernel from todays sources just doesn't print > anything after the highlighted kernel messages at boot. I thought I should > build a GENERIC kernel, since GENERIC from 3.0-RELEASE works, but that > doesn't build today either :-) So is there a known issue with AGP or AGP > G200 cards I missed somewhere? > The G200 is a Millenium with 8MB and bios revision 1.6. The > motherboard is a Epox EP-51MVP3E-M with a K6-2 300 (3 x 100). Installed > -RELEASE today, currently building today's world. I want ext2fs and > softupdates in my kernel soon! :-) msdosfs from -RELEASE also seems > broken. > > tugrul > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message I'm using one ever since XFree 3.3.3 came out. I couldn't make it run under 3.3.2. ed To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 14:05:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05776 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:05:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gv.gvn.net (gv.gvn.net [209.63.138.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05737 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:05:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cc@gvn.net) Received: from ws1 (ws1.gvn.net [209.63.138.9]) by gv.gvn.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA13203 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:07:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <002001be369c$239ad3e0$098a3fd1@ws1.gvn.net> From: "Erick Baum" To: Subject: FrontPage Extensions Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:06:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've seen some previous posts about the FrontPage Extensions for FreeBSD opening up some major security holes. Can someone tell me what kind of security issues they are? Also, I have been having trouble getting the extensions to work on FreeBSD 2.2.6. Does anyone know if there is something special I have to do? Any input is appreciated. Thanks. -Erick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 14:18:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07358 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:18:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cheddar.netmonger.net (cheddar.netmonger.net [209.54.21.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07335 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:18:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@cheddar.netmonger.net) Received: (from chris@localhost) by cheddar.netmonger.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07049; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:16:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990102171604.A6231@netmonger.net> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:16:04 -0500 From: Christopher Masto To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wanton Atticizing is bad References: <19990102143728.A23411@netmonger.net> <199901021947.UAA25358@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199901021947.UAA25358@labinfo.iet.unipi.it>; from Luigi Rizzo on Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 08:47:14PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 08:47:14PM +0100, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > In summary, please don't remove working drivers that have no > > replacement yet just because they're old. At least go through a > > release or two with a comment next to them saying "We need a > > maintainer for this or it may go away". Give it a chance. > > I can agree with your motivation, although i just want to comment that > it is my understanding that the SCSI drivers that have been > removed do not work after the move to CAM. That's correct, but it doesn't matter to the end user who simply knows that his hardware cannot be used if he upgrades. In the case of CAM, it was mostly unavoidable, and I don't disagree with the change. I mentioned it as an example of how it's difficult to explain such disappointing news to someone. > And for Voxware, the call for a maintainer has been on for a couple > of years or so. Amancio tried and i think he gave up long before > stopping being a committer, i tried and eventually went for writing > a new driver from scratch because it was much less work and pain > to maintain it. > > I have not seen any _serious_ offer to maintain Voxware in these > two years. That's not really the point. This is the point: sb0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa snd0: sbxvi0 at drq 5 on isa snd0: sbmidi0 at 0x330 on isa snd0: awe0 at 0x620 on isa awe0: It _works_. If it is removed, I (and MANY others) will have _less_ functionality. I will gladly join in with you in complaining about the evil Creative Labs and their unfriendly attitude, but that does not do anything to help the fact that these are very popular cards. I honestly do not know what the current status of your driver is on my AWE64, but last time I tried it, it didn't work as well with this card as the old Voxware stuff. I have no doubt that your design is better and that it will eventually lead to much better support, _but until then_, until it does not mean that many FreeBSD users would be out in the cold if it were released without, Voxware should be left in as an option. > (p.s. one of the victims of the purge was my transputer driver, and i > have to say probably nobody uses it now, so it was probably ok to > remove it -- at least it is less work to fix things when some kernel > interface changes or something similar) If really nobody uses it, then it doesn't matter. But if the kernel interface changes, it makes it a lot harder to pull out of Attic. I had similar problems making wd work with a compact flash pccard - I couldn't just take the baseline diffs between 2.2.5 and 2.2.5-PAO and apply them to the current wd, because too much had changed. It would have been a lot easier for the people who made interface changes to have made them to a driver with PCCARD support than it is to try to patch PCCARD support every time a change happens. (This specific example is moot, but the general problem is real.) -- Christopher Masto Director of Operations NetMonger Communications chris@netmonger.net info@netmonger.net http://www.netmonger.net "Good tools allow users to do stupid things." -- Clay Shirky To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 14:29:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08558 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:29:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from arnold.swimsuit.internet.dk (mail.swimsuit.internet.dk [194.255.12.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08553 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:29:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from leif@swimsuit.internet.dk) Received: from localhost (leif@localhost) by arnold.swimsuit.internet.dk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA00418; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:26:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from leif@arnold.swimsuit.internet.dk) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:26:51 +0100 (CET) From: Leif Neland To: Matt Curtin cc: sporkl@ix.netcom.com, "Steven P. Donegan" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Y2K, Y 2038? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2 Jan 1999, Matt Curtin wrote: > Spike Gronim writes: > > > In 2038 32 bit systems are going to run out of room to keep counting > > seconds. This is 38 years off, and will hopefully be fixed by then. > > We'll run out of seconds on 32 bit systems well before 38 years from > now. Consider that some banks are now offering 35 year mortgages, and > that it will be necessary to perform date calculations to the end of > those loans. > > The wishful thinking about it being "fixed by then" is common, but > doesn't really fly. Fixing the problem in the OS isn't a *huge* deal. > (One could change the time() to return a 64 bit value.) The result, > of course, would be dealing with all of the software that expects > time() to return a 32 bit value. Well, instead of changing time(), another function ltime() could be made, which returned 64 bit value instead. Leif To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 14:52:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10845 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:52:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.gtn.com (mail.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10838 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:52:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id XAA12615; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:45:16 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA01820; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:43:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19990102234310.A1532@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:43:10 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: John Birrell Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make aout-to-elf failures (from 2.2.7-RELEASE to -current ELF) References: <19990102143105.A34733@klemm.gtn.com> <199901022019.HAA07567@cimlogic.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199901022019.HAA07567@cimlogic.com.au>; from John Birrell on Sun, Jan 03, 1999 at 07:19:39AM +1100 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jan 03, 1999 at 07:19:39AM +1100, John Birrell wrote: > Andreas Klemm wrote: [...] > Until the breakage is fixed, it is best to go though the upgrade > procedure with 3.0-RELEASE sources. There is no way you can upgrade > with current. Hmm ... is somebody working on this ? Or did people forget about this ? I think it's not so good to break such an important upgrade feature for so long. Installing something new is the Linux and M$ way ;-) -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 14:54:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11209 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:54:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lamb.sas.com (lamb.sas.com [192.35.83.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11204 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:54:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jwd@unx.sas.com) Received: from mozart (mozart.unx.sas.com [192.58.184.8]) by lamb.sas.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA02580 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from bb01f39.unx.sas.com by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA26380; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:54:07 -0500 Received: (from jwd@localhost) by bb01f39.unx.sas.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA04176 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:54:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jwd) From: "John W. DeBoskey" Message-Id: <199901022254.RAA04176@bb01f39.unx.sas.com> Subject: make release (almost) disklabel failure To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:54:02 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Well, make release almost made it... Compressing doc files... sh -e /usr/src/release/scripts/doFS.sh /R/stage /mnt 1440 /R/stage/mfsfd 8000 minimum disklabel: /R/stage/trees/bin/usr/mdec/fdboot: No such file or directory *** Error code 4 Stop. This appears to be from the following in doFS.sh: if [ "`uname -m`" = "alpha" ]; then disklabel -Brw -b ${RD}/trees/bin/usr/mdec/boot1 \ /dev/r${VNDEVICE} ${FSLABEL} else disklabel -Brw \ -b ${RD}/trees/bin/usr/mdec/fdboot \ -s ${RD}/trees/bin/usr/mdec/bootfd \ /dev/r${VNDEVICE} ${FSLABEL} fi However, ls ${RD}/trees/bin/usr/mdec reveals: boot1 cdboot nb3c509.com nb8390.com rawboot boot2 fbsdboot.exe nb3c509.rom nb8390.rom So my question... Should we still be building fdboot & bootfd, or does doFS.sh need to be updated to use boot1 & boot2 for x86? From previous messages in -current, I think doFS.sh is out-of-date... Thanks! John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 14:56:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11573 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:56:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles335.castles.com [208.214.167.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11566 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:56:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01350; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:53:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199901022253.OAA01350@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Andreas Klemm cc: John Birrell , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make aout-to-elf failures (from 2.2.7-RELEASE to -current ELF) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 02 Jan 1999 23:43:10 +0100." <19990102234310.A1532@klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 14:53:17 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Sun, Jan 03, 1999 at 07:19:39AM +1100, John Birrell wrote: > > Andreas Klemm wrote: > [...] > > Until the breakage is fixed, it is best to go though the upgrade > > procedure with 3.0-RELEASE sources. There is no way you can upgrade > > with current. > > Hmm ... is somebody working on this ? Or did people forget about > this ? I think it's not so good to break such an important upgrade > feature for so long. Installing something new is the Linux and M$ > way ;-) There's a lot of intent, but I haven't heard from anyone that's actively working on fixing this. If you want to take it on, you're sure to be popular. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 15:15:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13349 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:15:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13341 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:15:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA22938; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:15:11 -0800 (PST) To: "John W. DeBoskey" cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make release (almost) disklabel failure In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 02 Jan 1999 17:54:02 EST." <199901022254.RAA04176@bb01f39.unx.sas.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 15:15:08 -0800 Message-ID: <22849.915318908@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Well, make release almost made it... Doh! Mea culpa, fixed! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 15:41:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA15307 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:41:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA15295 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:40:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA08296; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 10:44:52 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199901022344.KAA08296@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: make aout-to-elf failures (from 2.2.7-RELEASE to -current ELF) In-Reply-To: <199901022253.OAA01350@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Jan 2, 99 02:53:17 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 10:44:52 +1100 (EST) Cc: andreas@klemm.gtn.com, jb@cimlogic.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > There's a lot of intent, but I haven't heard from anyone that's > actively working on fixing this. If you want to take it on, you're > sure to be popular. 8) Reading between the lines of what Jordan and Peter have said, it sounds like we'll see something on the 6th. Since all the discussion (if any) of this was conducted in private leading up to a "core" decision, we can only speculate. The upgrade tests take a long time, so putting in a lot of effort to have something undone on the 6th is unwise IMHO. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 15:48:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA15887 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:48:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from houcbs2.houabg.com (houabg.com [206.109.247.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA15882 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:48:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dchapman@houabg.com) Received: from ip179.houston13.tx.pub-ip.psi.net by houcbs2.houabg.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id ZBAFFAVS; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:54:40 -0600 Message-ID: <368EB07D.7E0A2C8B@houabg.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 17:49:17 -0600 From: "David W. Chapman Jr." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current Subject: SoundBlaster 128 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm trying to get my soundblaster 128 working with 3.0-current, would anyone tell me if they have got it working? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 16:38:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23107 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:38:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from galaxy.support.stream.com (galaxy.support.stream.com [208.13.180.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA23100 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:38:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from c063.beaverton.stream.com ([208.13.191.137]) by galaxy.support.stream.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) with SMTP id 852566EE.000369E5; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:37:17 -0500 Message-ID: <004b01be36b0$cc319ca0$f301040a@c063.beaverton.stream.com> From: "Wiliam Woods" To: "FBSD_CURRENT" Subject: 3.0 release tag for cvsup ??? Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:34:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG OK, from what I understand, the correct upgrade path to go from 2.2.6 to 3.0 -Current is: 1) Go from 2.2.6 --> 2.2.8 2) Go from 2.2.8 --> 3.0 _Release 3) Go from 3.0 -Release to 3.0 -Current I already tried to go straight from 2.2.6 to 3.0 -Current and that was a bad joke...so I figured that I would try this upgrade path. The reason I would like to go current is for the SMP support. Is this correct? If so then what is the correct tag to cvsup 3.0 -Release? Thanks, Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 17:31:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27166 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:31:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA27161 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:31:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA08024; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:30:45 -0800 (PST) To: John Birrell cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), andreas@klemm.gtn.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make aout-to-elf failures (from 2.2.7-RELEASE to -current ELF) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 Jan 1999 10:44:52 +1100." <199901022344.KAA08296@cimlogic.com.au> Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 17:30:44 -0800 Message-ID: <8020.915327044@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Reading between the lines of what Jordan and Peter have said, it sounds > like we'll see something on the 6th. Since all the discussion (if any) > of this was conducted in private leading up to a "core" decision, we can I think you're reading too much into our decision to go ELF. That does not preclude an interest in the aout-to-elf target working properly. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 17:43:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA28269 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:43:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lamb.sas.com (lamb.sas.com [192.35.83.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28264 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:43:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jwd@unx.sas.com) Received: from mozart (mozart.unx.sas.com [192.58.184.8]) by lamb.sas.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA16996; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:42:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from bb01f39.unx.sas.com by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA00987; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:42:42 -0500 Received: (from jwd@localhost) by bb01f39.unx.sas.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA04385; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:42:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jwd) From: "John W. DeBoskey" Message-Id: <199901030142.UAA04385@bb01f39.unx.sas.com> Subject: Re: make release (almost) disklabel failure In-Reply-To: <22849.915318908@zippy.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Jan 2, 99 03:15:08 pm" To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:42:31 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, That did the trick... Now to try a test install and cdrom cut. Thanks! John ps: Do we have any official doc on boot1 & boot2 yet? > > Well, make release almost made it... > > Doh! Mea culpa, fixed! > > - Jordan > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 17:49:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA28773 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:49:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28767 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:49:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA08123; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:49:05 -0800 (PST) To: "John W. DeBoskey" cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make release (almost) disklabel failure In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:42:31 EST." <199901030142.UAA04385@bb01f39.unx.sas.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 17:49:05 -0800 Message-ID: <8119.915328145@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > ps: Do we have any official doc on boot1 & boot2 yet? Not to my knowledge. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 17:50:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA29095 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:50:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA29089 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:50:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbushong@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU) Received: (from dbushong@localhost) by soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/) id RAA19671 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:50:17 -0800 (PST) env-from (dbushong) From: dbushong@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (David Bushong) Message-Id: <199901030150.RAA19671@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> Subject: more recent archive? To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:50:17 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there a more recent archive somewhere of freebsd-current? The searchable archive on www.freebsd.org doesn't seem to have anything more recent than 12/16/1998, and I'm trying to reread all of the stuff about elf kernels and updating your boot loader.. Thanks, --David Bushong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 18:51:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA03834 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 18:51:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA03829 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 18:51:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA40393 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 21:47:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 21:47:29 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: make buildworld Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What I'm working on is a make world froma 9 month old current, up to *real* current (and the incidental aout to elf conversion). I've just found a stumbling block, and I think I know what I did to get past it; I want to verify a fix. It looks like a dependency is being violated, in building the librpcsvc libraries. Here's the dependcency: librpcsvc library-->include/rpcsvc files -->usr.bin/rpcgen executeable The rpcgen tool isn't being built and installed in the private obj tree until after the include files have been installed, but since the rpcgen tool generates the include files for the rpcsvc stuff, when the rpcsvc stuff gets built, it breaks. There's a uint64 problem, specifically. It appears that the rpcgen stuff is supposed to be built in the include-tools target, which ought to come before installing the includes, which has to come before building librpcsvc. Can someone who is more familiar with Makefile.inc1 look at this and tell me if I'm totally incorrect? Note I'm *not* talking about a current build problem, this only affects those trying to upgrade from an ancient current to a new one. I don't have problems with current builds. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 18:56:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04355 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 18:56:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from houcbs2.houabg.com (houabg.com [206.109.247.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04350 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 18:56:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dchapman@houabg.com) Received: from sdn-ar-004txhousP268.dialsprint.net by houcbs2.houabg.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id ZBAFFAV8; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 21:02:40 -0600 Message-ID: <368EDC8E.C5B28C28@houabg.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:57:18 -0600 From: "David W. Chapman Jr." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current Subject: IDE controller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Does anyone know if the secondary ide controller problem has been fixed yet? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 19:12:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05239 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:12:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA05234; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:12:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.1/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id EAA12159; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 04:12:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id E90B01548; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 02:17:30 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 02:17:30 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: committers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required. Message-ID: <19990103021730.A31313@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: committers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG References: <368BB247.886FB8DA@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from Dag-Erling Smorgrav on Fri, Jan 01, 1999 at 06:24:01PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT/ELF ctm#4926 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Dag-Erling Smorgrav: > attacks described for yourself. Wietse Venema can't keep handwaving > those holes for much longer. He's not handwaving them IMO and anyway, the latest beta fixes the maildrop problem (you can either keep the old way or use a setgid program). > So please, *please* keep PostFix out of the source tree until we're > absolutely certain it's mature enough, and until the FreeBSD community > have accumulated enough experience with running PostFix on FreeBSD. I'd say we have plenty of experience as 1. Wietse is using FreeBSD, 2. several people here were alpha-testers (jmb and me at least) and 3. we've been running it for months. Having it in contrib shows a bit more that we're providing an alternative to sendmail. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #2: Sun Nov 8 01:22:20 CET 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 19:12:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05425 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:12:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA05289 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:12:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.1/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id EAA12161 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 04:12:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id B0AA51509; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 03:52:28 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 03:52:28 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trouble with Staroffice5.0 Message-ID: <19990103035228.A513@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: current@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990102111905.I2862@tar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <19990102111905.I2862@tar.com>; from Richard Seaman on Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 11:19:06AM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT/ELF ctm#4931 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Richard Seaman: > I'm also interested in a message you posted a few days ago, that SO50 runs > on an SMP machine without threads. I guess I (and others) had assumed the The main SMP problem I've hit is that even running ldconfig from /compat/linux/sbin panics the machine. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #67: Tue Dec 29 20:24:02 CET 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 19:23:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05902 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:23:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA05875 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:23:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/Netplex) with ESMTP id LAA06894; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 11:17:23 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199901030317.LAA06894@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: John Birrell cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), andreas@klemm.gtn.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make aout-to-elf failures (from 2.2.7-RELEASE to -current ELF) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 Jan 1999 10:44:52 +1100." <199901022344.KAA08296@cimlogic.com.au> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 11:17:20 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Birrell wrote: > Mike Smith wrote: > > There's a lot of intent, but I haven't heard from anyone that's > > actively working on fixing this. If you want to take it on, you're > > sure to be popular. 8) > > Reading between the lines of what Jordan and Peter have said, it sounds > like we'll see something on the 6th. Since all the discussion (if any) > of this was conducted in private leading up to a "core" decision, we can > only speculate. The upgrade tests take a long time, so putting in a lot > of effort to have something undone on the 6th is unwise IMHO. Nobody's doing to undo anything.. Basically what is on the table is that we'll start twisting people's arm (in no uncertain fashion) to take the upgrade plunge. There will not be any chopping of body parts, etc. People will be required to either do an aout-to-elf, or go it alone and disable the checks that force this. Having said that, there will be some people who will be looking for a quick-and-easy upgrade path without building world twice in the upgrade process. I *think* it's viable option to build a .tar.gz of an elf-aware binary kit to overlay onto /usr etc, and then do a normal 'make world' to update the rest. By my reckoning, I think we can take a .tar.gz of /usr/obj/elf/tmp as the starting point. Also note that an a.out buildworld is required as part of the update process. Unless things get broken too badly, this should remain functional until 3.0.1 at least. But this isn't an excuse for aout-to-elf failing.. We need to fix it if it's still broken (I think it's been fixed now). Getting more people on board should help. (I'd test it myself, but I think my wife would have me shot if I "upgraded" her PC from Win98 to FreeBSD 2.2.x and 3.x in order to do some upgrade tests :-) Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 19:25:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06208 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:25:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06170; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:24:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:24:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901030324.TAA06170@hub.freebsd.org> From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: nugundam@la.best.com CC: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <19990102055658.A5621@la.best.com> (nugundam@la.best.com) Subject: Re: sendmail throughput (was: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required.) References: <199901011525.HAA22294@hub.freebsd.org> <19990102055658.A5621@la.best.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 05:56:58 -0800 > From: "Joseph T. Lee" > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Fri, Jan 01, 1999 at 07:25:30AM -0800, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > yes, freebsd-current is only 1411 subscribers. you deleted the > > part about delivery rate. delivery rate is very important. imagine > > receiving mail 30 minutes or 3 hours later than everyone else on the > > list. make participation difficult and fustrating. > > This sounds more like the discussion could be based in a newgroup > format, which is designed for this kind of loading and response type > forum; besides the prevalent available threading clients, and only > dling/reading what you're interested in. > > I know there's comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, but I guess keeping the lists > closed to subscribers only, is the priority. news seems to have even more flamage than the mailing lists. with mail i can control spam, with news everyone would have to control spam. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 19:32:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06571 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:32:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix (phoenix.aye.net [206.185.8.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA06565 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:32:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from terbart@aye.net) Received: (qmail 23438 invoked by uid 3185); 3 Jan 1999 03:29:35 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 1999 03:29:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 22:29:35 -0500 (EST) From: Barrett Richardson To: Erick Baum cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FrontPage Extensions In-Reply-To: <002001be369c$239ad3e0$098a3fd1@ws1.gvn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 2 Jan 1999, Erick Baum wrote: > I've seen some previous posts about the FrontPage Extensions for FreeBSD > opening up some major security holes. Can someone tell me what kind of > security issues they are? > > Also, I have been having trouble getting the extensions to work on FreeBSD > 2.2.6. Does anyone know if there is something special I have to do? > > Any input is appreciated. Thanks. > > -Erick > I was digging thru the frontpage module and discovered that it wants a geteuid() == 0 before it will launch any of the cgi's that will do glorious things for your users. The cgi's end up running on behalf of a user, but the mechanism (as much of it as I understand) that makes that happen leaves opportunity for problems. The module checks the ownership of a "webroot" directory (appears to be the document root from the little I've seen thus far) and compares it to the ownership of /_vti_pvt and sees if they match. If they do, environment variables FPUID and FPGID are set to the uid and gid of these directories. A suid wrapper, fpexe, sets its uid and gid based on FPUID and FPGID that it inherited from the webserver. The wrapper, fpexe, only can run a predetermined set of progs (the suite of frontpage stuff). From what little info I have found, the cgi scripts then authenticate the user it is already running as from some info stashed away in some *.pwd files. I found no authentication in the frontpage module or in fpexe.c. >From the information I have about how it operates, I don't understand why the server must be run as root. Also I don't understand how the frontpage cgi's could authenticate from files with safe permissions if they are indeed being run from a wrapper which sets appropriate uid/gid before launching them. I found a recent posting in -security that mentioned that the authentication files must be readable by the uid of the webserver -- but still, if the cgi scripts authenticate themselves and a suid wrapper sets their uid/gid, the uid of the webserver should be out of the picture. I thinking of using it by putting some authentication in the wrapper (via a cookie, I think, and use https) before the setuid()/setgid() are done. At any rate, I wouldn't dare use it as it is until I find some more definitive information about how it authenticates. - Barrett > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 19:56:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08331 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:56:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (sj-dsl-9-129-138.dspeed.net [209.249.129.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08326 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:56:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA56493; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:55:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199901030355.TAA56493@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Barrett Richardson cc: Erick Baum , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FrontPage Extensions In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 02 Jan 1999 22:29:35 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 19:55:37 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Does anyone where can read about the FrontPage's Protocol? Tnks, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 19:56:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08591 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:56:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coconut.itojun.org (coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08584; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:56:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from itojun@itojun.org) Received: from kiwi.itojun.org (itojun@localhost.itojun.org [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (8.9.1+3.1W/3.7W) with ESMTP id MAA02380; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:56:30 +0900 (JST) To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: nugundam@la.best.com, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: jmb's message of Sat, 02 Jan 1999 19:24:56 PST. <199901030324.TAA06170@hub.freebsd.org> X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: Re: sendmail throughput (was: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required.) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 12:56:30 +0900 Message-ID: <2376.915335790@coconut.itojun.org> From: Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I dunno if it is relevant to the thrad, but... >> > yes, freebsd-current is only 1411 subscribers. you deleted the >> > part about delivery rate. delivery rate is very important. imagine >> > receiving mail 30 minutes or 3 hours later than everyone else on the >> > list. make participation difficult and fustrating. Have you tried smtpfeed (/usr/ports/mail/smtpfeed)? smtpfeed is an external smtp sender that can be invoked from sendmail. It does simultaneous DNS lookup and speeds up email transmits. It worth a try. It is used daily in jp.freebsd.org, itojun.org and many ISPs in Japan. itojun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 20:09:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA09248 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:09:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ix.netcom.com (sil-wa17-47.ix.netcom.com [207.93.156.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA09241 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:09:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tomdean@ix.netcom.com) Received: (from tomdean@localhost) by ix.netcom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) id UAA44371; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:08:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tomdean) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:08:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901030408.UAA44371@ix.netcom.com> From: Thomas Dean To: peter@netplex.com.au, mike@smith.net.au CC: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199901030317.LAA06894@spinner.netplex.com.au> (message from Peter Wemm on Sun, 03 Jan 1999 11:17:20 +0800) Subject: Re: make aout-to-elf failures (from 2.2.7-RELEASE to -current ELF) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I owe everyone an apology for my inappropriate outburst a couple of days ago. I received some justified heat from some subscribers. However, Mike Smith came through with a calm, thoughtful reply, so, I consulted with John Barley-Corn and here I am. I am sorry for any noise I caused. I have a -current system that just completed an aout 'make world' from sources of about 19990102 1400 PST. I am in the midst of updating the bootblocks. I have two SCSI disks, da0 is WINNT and da1 is -current. I am currently using OS-BS. I am reading in the archives, attempting to upgrade. So far, I have backed-up and made new boot and fixit floppies. I found in the archives: cp /usr/mdec/boot? /boot echo '/boot/loader' > /boot.config disklabel -B bootdevices Also a reference to make in /sys/boot. Will 'make && make install' in /sys/boot do all that is needed? After I figure out the bootblocks, I will try aout-to-elf-build, then aout-to-elf-install, followed with building an elf kernel. Any pointers to doc's on upgrade the bootblocks? tomdean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 20:18:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA09930 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:18:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA09925 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:18:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA47907; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 22:18:10 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 22:18:09 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: David Bushong Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: more recent archive? Message-ID: <19990102221809.A47811@dan.emsphone.com> References: <199901030150.RAA19671@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <199901030150.RAA19671@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU>; from "David Bushong" on Sat Jan 2 17:50:17 GMT 1999 X-OS: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the last episode (Jan 02), David Bushong said: > Is there a more recent archive somewhere of freebsd-current? The > searchable archive on www.freebsd.org doesn't seem to have anything > more recent than 12/16/1998, and I'm trying to reread all of the > stuff about elf kernels and updating your boot loader.. www.egroups.com/list/freebsd-current is good, if you don't mind (or can filter out :) the banner ads. -Dan Nelson dnelson@emsphone.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 21:11:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA13110 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 21:11:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep2-orange.clear.net.nz (fep2-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA13105 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 21:11:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jabley@buddha.clear.net.nz) Received: from buddha.clear.net.nz (buddha.clear.net.nz [192.168.24.106]) by fep2-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.9) with ESMTP id SAA18818; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:10:35 +1300 (NZDT) Received: (from jabley@localhost) by buddha.clear.net.nz (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA05373; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:10:34 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from jabley) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:10:34 +1300 From: Joe Abley To: Barrett Richardson Cc: Erick Baum , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, jabley@clear.co.nz Subject: Re: FrontPage Extensions Message-ID: <19990103181034.A5354@clear.co.nz> References: <002001be369c$239ad3e0$098a3fd1@ws1.gvn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from Barrett Richardson on Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 10:29:35PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 10:29:35PM -0500, Barrett Richardson wrote: > > On Sat, 2 Jan 1999, Erick Baum wrote: > > > I've seen some previous posts about the FrontPage Extensions for FreeBSD > > opening up some major security holes. Can someone tell me what kind of > > security issues they are? > > > > Also, I have been having trouble getting the extensions to work on FreeBSD > > 2.2.6. Does anyone know if there is something special I have to do? > > > > Any input is appreciated. Thanks. > > > > -Erick > > > > I was digging thru the frontpage module and discovered that it wants > a geteuid() == 0 before it will launch any of the cgi's that will > do glorious things for your users. The cgi's end up running on > behalf of a user, but the mechanism (as much of it as I understand) > that makes that happen leaves opportunity for problems. The module > checks the ownership of a "webroot" directory (appears to be the > document root from the little I've seen thus far) and compares > it to the ownership of /_vti_pvt and sees if they match. If they > do, environment variables FPUID and FPGID are set to the uid and > gid of these directories. > > [snip] Check out Zeus Technology at http://www.zeus.co.uk/ - they have an extremely fast and nice web server (with binaries available for FreeBSD 2.2.x) and incorporate their own FrontPage hosting without needing a lot (all?) of the nasty Microsoft bloat. We use it for our professional hosting product, which includes FrontPage support. It is very good. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Jan 2 23:53:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25772 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:53:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vanessa.eliuk.org (pme74.sunshine.net [209.17.178.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA25767 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:53:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kevin_eliuk@sunshine.net) Received: from localhost (cagey@localhost) by vanessa.eliuk.org (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA00240; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:52:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cagey@vanessa.eliuk.org) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:52:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Kevin G. Eliuk" Reply-To: "Kevin G. Eliuk" To: "David W. Chapman Jr." cc: freebsd-current Subject: Re: IDE controller In-Reply-To: <368EDC8E.C5B28C28@houabg.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 2 Jan 1999, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > Does anyone know if the secondary ide controller problem has been fixed > yet? I don't think so, I did a build Dec30. Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0xb3 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0xb4 on pci0.2.0 vga0: rev 0x06 int a irq 0 on pci0.6.0 ide_pci0: rev 0x20 int a irq 0 on pci0.11.0 ide_pci: controller is simplex, no DMA on secondary channel Has anyone have access to the design papers for this cheapset? -- Regards, Kevin G. Eliuk Discover Rock Solid, Discover FreeBSD | http://www.FreeBSD.Org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message