From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 21 2:12:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from aniwa.sky (p33-max12.wlg.ihug.co.nz [216.100.145.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F066150AE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 02:12:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Received: from aniwa.sky (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aniwa.sky (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA17981; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 22:11:30 +1200 (NZST) Message-Id: <199903211011.WAA17981@aniwa.sky> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Ben Goodwin" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: automatic user password expiration? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 21 Mar 1999 00:32:17 EST." <009501be735c$326c5ae0$174f06d1@hamsterville.ultranet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 22:11:30 +1200 From: Andrew McNaughton Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm having trouble locating dox on how to (or maybe it's not possible?) set > an expiry date for a particular user's password ... Hopefully to the effect > of preventing login via any getpw* routines until the expire is re-set or > something ... I'm running 226R .. but if I need to be running a later > version, that's OK, I just need to know what version and how to do it. ... > Hopefully I can query the system as to what the expire date for a particular > user is, too ... > > Perhaps there's a better way to do what I'm looking to do. > I want to set up accounts that are pre-paid for N number of days. Once N > days have passed (and assuming they haven't paid and we've added N number > more days to the current 'expire' date), they lose the ability to > authenticate with POP, ftp, radius, etc ... chpass knows about expiry dates, and there's a field for it in /etc/master.passwd. Andrew McNAughton -- ----------- Andrew McNaughton andrew@squiz.co.nz http://www.newsroom.co.nz/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 21 3:39:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gina.neland.dk (mail.neland.dk [194.255.12.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFEC514FA3; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 03:39:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@neland.dk) Received: from gina (gina [192.168.0.14]) by gina.neland.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11393; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:39:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from root@neland.dk) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:39:07 +0100 (CET) From: Leif Neland To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: frontpage and current 4.0 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A quick crossposted letter; continue in the most appropriate group at your choice. Will frontpage (fp30.bsdi3.tar.Z) run on current 4.0? I tried building apache13-fp from the ports. I had to edit apache's configure to accept the parameter i386--freebsd4.0 (I guess it should be i386-unknown-freebsd4.0) to compile. But fpsrvadm.exe just dumps core when make install runs. So is current 4.0 and fp30 compatible? leif@neland.dk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 21 4:39:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (mail5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5E814E26; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 04:39:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pierre.dampure@k2c.co.uk) Received: from modem-62.manganese.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.12.62] helo=k2c.co.uk) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10OhSX-0004O5-00; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:36:05 +0000 Message-ID: <36F4E756.7B43F050@k2c.co.uk> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:34:30 +0000 From: "Pierre Y. Dampure" Organization: K2C Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leif Neland Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: frontpage and current 4.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Leif Neland wrote: > > But fpsrvadm.exe just dumps core when make install runs. > > So is current 4.0 and fp30 compatible? > Some mods were recently committed to cater for support of large (in terms of RAM) systems; these break BSDI compatibility and might be the root of your problems. Best Regards, PYD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 21 5:24:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32FA414F53; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 05:24:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id OAA33154; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 14:23:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Leif Neland Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: frontpage and current 4.0 References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 21 Mar 1999 14:23:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: Leif Neland's message of "Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:39:07 +0100 (CET)" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Leif Neland writes: > Will frontpage (fp30.bsdi3.tar.Z) run on current 4.0? Only if your kernel is configured for a 256 MB address space. See section 13.15 in the FAQ for instructions on how to do this. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 21 21:57: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from snake.supranet.net (snake.supranet.net [205.164.160.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E1214D92 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 21:56:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@arnie.jfive.com) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by snake.supranet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA10439; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 23:56:14 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from john@arnie.jfive.com) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 23:56:14 -0600 (CST) From: John Heyer X-Sender: john@snake.supranet.net To: "=?Windows-1252?Q?Ing._Alejandro_A._Ram=EDrez?=" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: RealAudio and icq with natd In-Reply-To: <00ba01be72ec$548c9420$fba3f9cf@megared.net.mx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 20 Mar 1999, [Windows-1252] Ing. Alejandro A. Ram=EDrez wrote: > >Anybody wanna share their natd and/or ipfw rules to get it working? > For Icq you should try ICQ 99a Beta v.2.13 Build #1700, and at the time o= f > installation or in the preferences menu , you must configure it with the > option that it is behind a Firewall with NO-SOCKS, with dynamic allocatio= n > of ports. =09ICQ has limited v99 to Windows and PalmPilot, so until they update the Java version, I'm stuck with v98. Yes, I've used lICQ and GICQ, but unfortunately they're running on the Proxy server, and the "official" ICQ is on the internal side (not the other way around). =20 > And for the RealAudio you should try RealPlayer G2, take a look at this > page: http://service.real.com/firewall/configRP6.html =09Whoops - yes, I was aware G2 works fine. Unfortunatley, RealAudio has yet to develop the G2 player for Linux, and I'm stuck with Player 5.0 -- "Your illogical approach ... does have its advantages." =09=09=09=09-- Spock, after being Checkmated by Kirk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 22 1:17: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from atlas.iexpress.net.au (atlas.iexpress.net.au [203.38.34.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3077F15216 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 01:16:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mikey@iexpress.net.au) Received: from localhost (mikey@localhost) by atlas.iexpress.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA28861 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:16:38 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from mikey@iexpress.net.au) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:16:38 +0800 (WST) From: Michael Slater Reply-To: Michael Slater To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Support Blues Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, After yet another relentless day providing phone support to one clueless idiot after another, i was wondering if anyone had ever attemtped the document cases of overworked and frustrated tech support staff blowing their brains out after having to put up with "My Computer's broken.. It says the pipeline burst" or It worked fine at XYZ ISP, what's wrong with your service".. Some of the !@#$ we hear on a day to day basis is nothing short of ridiculous.. Makes me wonder why some people buy a computer at all. Michael Slater Internet Express Perth, Western Australia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 22 1:21:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from carme.eclipse.net.uk (carme.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5EED15232 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 01:21:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stuart@eclipse.net.uk) Received: from eclipse.net.uk (elara.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.31]) by carme.eclipse.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA48353; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:20:24 GMT Message-ID: <36F60BE6.B80E53A1@eclipse.net.uk> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:22:46 +0000 From: Stuart Henderson Organization: Eclipse Networking Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Heyer Cc: "Ing. Alejandro A. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ram=EDrez?=" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RealAudio and icq with natd References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Whoops - yes, I was aware G2 works fine. Unfortunatley, > RealAudio has yet to develop the G2 player for Linux, and I'm > stuck with Player 5.0 I think there's an option to set the port number somewhere in RealPlayer. Normally it would use a range but you can lock it to a single one. However I found the RealAudio proxy seems a little more solid than using nat. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 22 1:26:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246AE14D58 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 01:26:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Kp) with ESMTP id JAA31968; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:25:53 GMT Message-ID: <36F60CA1.B0021CDA@tdx.co.uk> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:25:53 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX - The Digital eXchange X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Slater Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Support Blues References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Michael Slater wrote: > > Hi, > After yet another relentless day providing phone support to one > clueless idiot after another, i was wondering if anyone had ever attemtped > the document cases of overworked and frustrated tech support staff blowing > their brains out after having to put up with "My Computer's broken.. It > says the pipeline burst" or It worked fine at XYZ ISP, what's wrong with > your service".. Some of the !@#$ we hear on a day to day basis is nothing > short of ridiculous.. Makes me wonder why some people buy a computer at > all. This isnt' really related to FreeBSD, but if it's any consilation - your not alone... We don't expect our users to be computer experts, but we do expect them not to fall for the 'plug and play' attitude rammed down their throats by the Industry & MS etc. Maybe we're expecting too much? Maybe the industry had better hurry up and delivery today what it promised yesterday :-) Maybe we should start an ISP mailing list? (i.e. seperate from FreeBSD :-) -Kp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 22 8: 3:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from voltage.net (voltage.net [204.214.227.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA9015138 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 08:03:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sward@voltage.net) Received: from arky (arky.voltage.net [204.214.227.12]) by voltage.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 008B71680D for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:59:59 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: sward@mail.voltage.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:49:23 -0600 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Susie Ward Subject: Re: Support Blues In-Reply-To: <36F60CA1.B0021CDA@tdx.co.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19990322160000.008B71680D@voltage.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:25 AM 3/22/99 +0000, Karl Pielorz wrote: >Michael Slater wrote: >> After yet another relentless day providing phone support to one >> clueless idiot after another, i was wondering if anyone had ever attemtped >> the document cases of overworked and frustrated tech support staff blowing >> their brains out after having to put up with "My Computer's broken.. It >> says the pipeline burst" or It worked fine at XYZ ISP, what's wrong with >> your service".. Some of the !@#$ we hear on a day to day basis is nothing >> short of ridiculous.. Makes me wonder why some people buy a computer at >> all. Here is a website with some hilarious tech support calls. You'll need either Real Audio or the ability to play wavs to hear them. It's a very good stress reliever! http://helpdeskfunnies.cyberjuice.com/wavs.htm >Maybe we should start an ISP mailing list? (i.e. seperate from FreeBSD :-) There are already several ISP mailing lists. My favorite is inet-access, send 'subscribe' in the body to 'list-request@inet-access.net' to join. There is also a channel on Efnet named #inet-access that is lots of fun. We can always use more FreeBSD ISPs there (had to say something to make this freebsd related :) Susie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 22 8:52:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67BB915007 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 08:52:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.8) with UUCP id LAA29555 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:50:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA02723 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:29:11 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199903221629.LAA02723@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: Support Blues In-Reply-To: <36F60CA1.B0021CDA@tdx.co.uk> from Karl Pielorz at "Mar 22, 1999 9:25:53 am" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:29:10 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Karl Pielorz recently said: > Michael Slater wrote: > > Hi, > > After yet another relentless day providing phone support to one > > clueless idiot after another, ... > This isnt' really related to FreeBSD, but if it's any consilation > - your not alone... We don't expect our users to be computer > experts, but we do expect them not to fall for the 'plug and play' > attitude rammed down their throats by the Industry & MS etc. ... And it's even worse. I have one person I work with who constantly calls with 'the network is down', and I check and tell him to reboot. He can't ping somewhere, and it's his machine. He can't get his mail and he's logged in as someone else. Last month he sent of a request to Internic for a new domain. I just happened to spot it going through my old mail. It was the first part of March and his mailer dated it last December. Then he gave a rough quote of $19K to wire deliver services to a complex. Left out 1/2 the equipment and was about $40K low. It's not just users - people thinking they are experts when they are not is in this business at some highly embarrasing levels. He has so many other problems with weekend that I think he's finally learned his lesson, and will keep his hands out of things of which he knows nothing. Bill -- bill@bilver.magicnet.net | bv@wjv.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 22 8:55: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [195.248.96.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF1C15007 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 08:55:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from damian@cablenet.net) Received: from cablenet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) with ESMTP id QAA18466; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:50:14 GMT Message-ID: <36F674C6.11BED0E5@cablenet.net> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:50:14 +0000 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Slater , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Support Blues References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Michael Slater wrote: > > Hi, > After yet another relentless day providing phone support to one > clueless idiot after another, i was wondering if anyone had ever attemtped > the document cases of overworked and frustrated tech support staff blowing > their brains out after having to put up with "My Computer's broken.. It > says the pipeline burst" or It worked fine at XYZ ISP, what's wrong with > your service".. Some of the !@#$ we hear on a day to day basis is nothing > short of ridiculous.. Makes me wonder why some people buy a computer at > all. Part and parcel of the business I'm afraid, at least it used to be for us. We are now moving to outsource tech support. We run such a reliable service :-) (based on FreeBSD of course) that our support burden is minimal and doesn't justify the staff, who end up doing lots of other things instead. Most support is clueless newbies that can be handled by the generic support offered by support houses. Other than that we encourage stupid and troublesome users to leave us and open an account with one of the major providers and let their support departments educate them (if possible) for the next few years. > > Michael Slater > Internet Express > Perth, Western Australia PS And we all thought you Ozzies were so laid back and relaxed as to be near horizontal, nip down the beach mate and chill out!! :-) regards damian -- * Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net * CableNet & The Landscape Channel * http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 22 8:58:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8864A14BE9 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 08:58:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Kp) with ESMTP id QAA99255; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:55:34 GMT Message-ID: <36F675EA.9A64CB35@tdx.co.uk> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:55:06 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX - The Digital eXchange X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Vermillion Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Support Blues References: <199903221629.LAA02723@bilver.magicnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Vermillion wrote: This thread, whilst amusing - has nothing to do with FreeBSD anymore! :(, I'd suggest we either move to something like cc'd email, or find a list, or start a list... To be fair (and almost relevant to FreeBSD) - I've generally found FreeBSD users have to be more informed, and computer literate - than your average Windows user :) -Karl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 22 9:58: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from baic.com (baic.com [204.216.27.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B9F815150 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:58:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wayne@baic.com) Received: from gleemonex (gleemonex.cdrom.com [204.216.28.166]) by baic.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA19389; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:00:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <002d01be748d$3520b7e0$a61cd8cc@gleemonex.cdrom.com> From: "Wayne Self" To: "Mark Conway Wirt" , "Chris Shenton" , "Michael Moran" Cc: Subject: Re: E-Mail size limitation by ISPs Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 09:55:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org supposedly it simply determines if the message is too large for procmail. if it is, the message is delived to the users inbox rather than procmail. freebsd and procmail don't seem to work to nice with large messages. it has something to do with the way procmail deals with memory. freebsd happens to be one of the OSs that takes a beating because of it. -wayne -----Original Message----- From: Mark Conway Wirt To: Wayne Self ; Chris Shenton ; Michael Moran Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 1:39 PM Subject: Re: E-Mail size limitation by ISPs > >On Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 01:26:27PM -0800, Wayne Self wrote: >> >> PROCMAIL_MAILER_MAX [undefined] If set, the maximum size message that will >> be accepted by the procmail mailer. >> >> Does anyone know how to set this? It looks as if you can do this >> even without using procmail as your local transport agent. but i >> could be totaly wrong. > >And what happens to a message that is too large? Is it bounced back to >the user? > >There is one danger with setting maximum sizes: Some brain dead >mailers (most notable Lotus Notes), don't understand the error codes >returned when the message is bounced back, and thinks it's a temporary >error and continue trying to deliver the message over and over and >over... > >We actually had one of our T1's filled by such a misconfigured mailer.... > >--Mark > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 22 10:24:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from carme.eclipse.net.uk (carme.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B0114BD5 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:24:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stuart@eclipse.net.uk) Received: from eclipse.net.uk (elara.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.31]) by carme.eclipse.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA92073; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:22:46 GMT Message-ID: <36F68B04.B254BDE0@eclipse.net.uk> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:25:08 +0000 From: Stuart Henderson Organization: Eclipse Networking Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wayne Self Cc: Mark Conway Wirt , Chris Shenton , Michael Moran , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: E-Mail size limitation by ISPs References: <002d01be748d$3520b7e0$a61cd8cc@gleemonex.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > supposedly it simply determines if the message is too large for > procmail. if it is, the message is delived to the users inbox > rather than procmail. If setting .mc values doesn't work right, see SMM:08-61 (in /usr/share/doc/smm/08.sendmailop/paper.ascii.gz) section 5.4 "M -- Define Mailer" - or just edit sendmail.cf, look for the Mprocmail line, and add a "M=3000000," or whatever size you want. You can also do N= and various others. > >There is one danger with setting maximum sizes: Some brain dead > >mailers (most notable Lotus Notes), don't understand the error > >codes returned when the message is bounced back, and thinks it's > >a temporary error and continue trying to deliver the message over > >and over and over... I've seen this before, except rather than running on T1's it was to a dialup SMTP that was accepting connections direct. Needless to say that box was reconfigured to only allow from the backup MX's :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 22 10:25:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from carme.eclipse.net.uk (carme.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E8D14BD5 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 10:25:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stuart@eclipse.net.uk) Received: from eclipse.net.uk (elara.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.31]) by carme.eclipse.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA92109; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:23:58 GMT Message-ID: <36F68B4D.41F7EB39@eclipse.net.uk> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:26:21 +0000 From: Stuart Henderson Organization: Eclipse Networking Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wayne Self , Mark Conway Wirt , Chris Shenton , Michael Moran , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: E-Mail size limitation by ISPs References: <002d01be748d$3520b7e0$a61cd8cc@gleemonex.cdrom.com> <36F68B04.B254BDE0@eclipse.net.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > supposedly it simply determines if the message is too large for > > procmail. if it is, the message is delived to the users inbox > > rather than procmail. Of course if I had read your message properly I would have realised what is happening! > Define Mailer" - or just edit sendmail.cf, look for the > Mprocmail line, and add a "M=3000000," or whatever size > you want. In which case you need to set the same for Mlocal. Cheers Stuart To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 22 12:56:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9013714BE9 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 12:56:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA106984101; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:21:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:21:41 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: Stuart Henderson Cc: John Heyer , "Ing. Alejandro A. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ram=EDrez?=" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RealAudio and icq with natd In-Reply-To: <36F60BE6.B80E53A1@eclipse.net.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Stuart Henderson wrote: > I think there's an option to set the port number somewhere in > RealPlayer. Normally it would use a range but you can lock it to a > single one. However I found the RealAudio proxy seems a little more > solid than using nat. I haven't tried this, but forcing TCP and then using 'ipfw fwd' could make for a semi-transparent proxy. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 22 14:25:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from emu.capnet.state.tx.us (mail.capnet.state.tx.us [204.65.39.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3DF152F8 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 14:25:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Bryan.Bradsby@capnet.state.tx.us) Received: from localhost (bbradsby@localhost) by emu.capnet.state.tx.us (8.9.2/8.9.2+CL3.12.19990305) with SMTP id QAA20141; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:28:10 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:28:10 -0600 (CST) From: Bryan Bradsby To: Chris Shenton Cc: Wayne Self , Mark Conway Wirt , Michael Moran , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: E-Mail size limitation by ISPs In-Reply-To: <87iubxno4o.fsf@Thanatos.Shenton.Org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 19 Mar 1999, Chris Shenton wrote: > "Wayne Self" writes: > > > PROCMAIL_MAILER_MAX [undefined] If set, the maximum size message that will > > be accepted by the procmail mailer. > > > > Does anyone know how to set this? It looks as if you can do this > > even without using procmail as your local transport agent. but i > > could be totaly wrong. You can set up multiple local delivery agents and have different limits (per message) on each. The trick is to pick the right agent for each customer. IIRC this could be done in a mailertable, but could be wrong. > I haven't done it yet, but noticed that in the Procmail districbution > there's a readme twhich talks about integrating Procmail with sendmail > for improved performance and security. Take a look. We do this here. We use procmail as our local delivery agent. Have not seen a performance hit using procmail, and this enables filtering mail with .procmailrc Have not set up per user quotas yet, but have considered it. HTH -bryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 22 15:55:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D4D15282 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:55:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA66276; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:54:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) To: John Heyer Cc: "=?Windows-1252?Q?Ing._Alejandro_A._Ram=EDrez?=" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: RealAudio and icq with natd In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 21 Mar 1999 23:56:14 CST." Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:54:30 -0500 Message-ID: <66272.922146870@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Heyer wrote in message ID : > Whoops - yes, I was aware G2 works fine. Unfortunatley, RealAudio > has yet to develop the G2 player for Linux, and I'm stuck with Player 5.0 There is (or was) a form somewhere on their web site to get a realaudio/realplayer proxy program which you run on your firewall/nat box. I ran it for a while, but it seems I don't anymore, so I guess my NAT setup `just works' with realplayer. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 22 16:46:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au [202.14.186.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76501506F for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 16:46:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Stanley.Hopcroft@ipaustralia.gov.au) Received: (from smap@localhost) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA14760 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:45:29 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au: smap set sender to using -f Received: from noteshub01.aipo.gov.au(10.0.100.21) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au via smap (V2.0) id xma014755; Tue, 23 Mar 99 11:45:20 +1100 Received: by noteshub01.aipo.gov.au(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (778.2 1-4-1999)) id 4A25673D.0009D49F ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:47:22 +1000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IP_AUSTRALIA From: Stanley.Hopcroft@ipaustralia.gov.au To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <4A25673D.0009D317.00@noteshub01.aipo.gov.au> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 11:44:25 +1000 Subject: Accounting for Web Use (chargeback or network management) in a proxy/Squid envirionment Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, I am writing to ask for your suggestions about accounting for bandwidth usage of an organisation internet connection. It would be nice to get RMON like statistics top-N, hosts etc eg top-protocols top-n-senders (bytes) top-n-recievers (") My employer uses a combination of Apache, Squid and TIS proxies to access the internet. We restrict Web useage to those able to supply a userid and password to Apache 1.2.x. (1.3.x doesn't offer proxy access control. Apache logs the userid of authorised proxy users). Apache then asks the Squid Cache for the page. The approaches that come to mind are Apache::Traffic Does'nt record Proxy use Seems unstable Log File analysis Analog seems to report on users Squid agent/SNMP ? Your suggestions will br received warmly, Thank you, Yours sincerely. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 22 18:43: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.webnology.com (mercury.webnology.com [209.155.51.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B315614BE7 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:42:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jooji@webnology.com) Received: from localhost (jooji@localhost) by mercury.webnology.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id UAA10349; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:41:39 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:41:38 -0600 (CST) From: "Jasper O'Malley" To: Karl Pielorz Cc: Michael Slater , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Support Blues In-Reply-To: <36F60CA1.B0021CDA@tdx.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Karl Pielorz wrote: > Maybe we should start an ISP mailing list? (i.e. seperate from FreeBSD :-) Check out the newsgroups alt.sysadmin.recovery and alt.tech-support.recovery. Cheers, Mick The Reverend Jasper P. O'Malley dotdot:jooji@webnology.com Systems Administrator ringring:asktheadmiral Webnology, LLC woowoo:http://www.webnology.com/~jooji To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 22 20:42: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C8214D31 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 20:41:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.8) with UUCP id XAA12292; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 23:37:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA13028; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:19:51 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199903230319.WAA13028@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: Support Blues In-Reply-To: from Leif Neland at "Mar 23, 1999 1:34: 3 am" To: root@neland.dk (Leif Neland) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:19:51 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Leif Neland recently said: > > On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Bill Vermillion wrote: > > Last month he sent of a request to Internic for a new domain. > > I just happened to spot it going through my old mail. > > It was the first part of March and his mailer dated it last > > December. > I really don't think you should admit publicly that you are > reading other people's private mail... You read the wrong thing into that. Having some positions of repsonsibility in email situations since 1981 I do not ever read anybodys mail. The exception is on a strange bounce or something and having to scan the mail to see where to go. All of my current monitoring has only the headers attached and no body. I was refering to MY mail folder. I keep certain messages as a reminder to do something or check something out. I sort from newest to oldest. The message TO ME was about 2 months old by the calendar on the PC, but the tranport date was 2 days earlier. Re-read it again. I was going through _my_ mail. Bill -- bill@bilver.magicnet.net | bv@wjv.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 22 21:57:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from poseidon.hamsterville.ultranet.com (poseidon.hamsterville.ultranet.com [209.6.79.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304B114F5E for ; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 21:57:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben@hamsterville.ultranet.com) Received: from energizer (dyn2.hamsterville.ultranet.com [209.6.79.23]) by poseidon.hamsterville.ultranet.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA26135; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:56:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007f01be74f1$ddbf6180$174f06d1@hamsterville.ultranet.com> From: "Ben Goodwin" To: "Andrew McNaughton" Cc: References: <199903211011.WAA17981@aniwa.sky> Subject: Re: automatic user password expiration? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:56:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > chpass knows about expiry dates, and there's a field for it in > /etc/master.passwd. /me feels less-than-smart now. Thanks :-) That got it so logging in, ftp, and pop fail auth when appropriate. However, the merit radius in the ports section -isn't- failing ... ! What would cause this to happen? I figured getpw* routines would simply return a fail, so either that's not the case or merit's radius is doing something non-standard ... ? (This is on a FreeBSD 3.0R box BTW; i noted that 226R would not fail an ftp session if the user had expired) -=| Ben To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 22 22:43: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from namodn.com (namodn.com [207.33.107.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607C715349; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:42:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@namodn.com) Received: from namodn.com (namodn.com [207.33.107.203] (may be forged)) by namodn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA05498; Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:47:04 GMT Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 22:47:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert To: Gary Palmer Cc: John Heyer , "=?Windows-1252?Q?Ing._Alejandro_A._Ram=EDrez?=" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RealAudio and icq with natd In-Reply-To: <66272.922146870@gjp.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Gary Palmer wrote: > There is (or was) a form somewhere on their web site to get a > realaudio/realplayer proxy program which you run on your firewall/nat > box. I ran it for a while, but it seems I don't anymore, so I guess > my NAT setup `just works' with realplayer. I use natd on my server, and the two client machines ( running Linux and FreeBSD ) both work using Java ICQ, micq, gicq with no special modifications. I found that RealPlayer must be set to use TCP only ( look in the prefrences ). -Rob WNamodn Enterprises www.ArtWritingMusic.com www.AnyHosting.com www.namodn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 23 10:43: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from turkey.ispro.net.tr (turkey.ispro.net.tr [195.174.18.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28781532A for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 10:42:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yurtesen@turkey.ispro.net.tr) Received: from localhost (yurtesen@localhost) by turkey.ispro.net.tr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA19917; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:41:11 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from yurtesen@turkey.ispro.net.tr) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:41:11 +0200 (EET) From: Evren Yurtesen To: michael@blueneptune.com Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re:(2) !!!URGENT DNS PROBLEM!!! In-Reply-To: <199903011956.LAA13476@rainey.blueneptune.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hello again thanks for your help lately, I have found out that we forgot to pay for our domain names :) well, now we have another problem here... now we payed the bill and everything is ok... but fatih.net , voltelektrik.com , orucoglu.com , ispro.net all of them are not working, I could not understand the reason though but our other domain names ispro.net.tr , orucoglu.com.tr and others are working...I could not find any configuration problems in my records either... any ideas? if you want I may send you db files for those dns names... Evren thanks On Mon, 1 Mar 1999 michael@blueneptune.com wrote: > > > I am using 3.1R as my primary dns server and I have a bizarre problem > > here!!! > > some of my domains are not working! for ex. fatih.net and voltelektrik.com > > my old domains are working (I believe that these were working too I just > > do not know when they started to not to work) > > InterNIC shows fatih.net and voltelektrik.com as being "on hold". That > means they won't show up in the root DNS servers. They were both created > on 3-Nov-1998. Perhaps you forgot to pay for the domains? Contact > NSI/InterNIC for more information on how to proceed. > > > I have many domains for ex. orucoglu.com and ispro.net and they are > > working just fine! > > my name servers are 195.174.18.1 and 195.174.18.2 > > > > what should I do??? > > this is very urgent situation... > > if you know any other mailing list please let me know > > > > sorry for sending this email to 2 mailing lists at the same time. > > > > Evren > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > -- > Michael Bryan > michael@blueneptune.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 23 15:32:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E62154B4 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:32:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Kp) with ESMTP id XAA50008; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:31:23 GMT Message-ID: <36F82435.C6474DD5@tdx.co.uk> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 23:31:01 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX - The Digital eXchange X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Evren Yurtesen Cc: michael@blueneptune.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: (2) !!!URGENT DNS PROBLEM!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Evren Yurtesen wrote: > > hello again > thanks for your help lately, > I have found out that we forgot to pay for our domain names :) Oops... :-) > well, now we have another problem here... > now we payed the bill and everything is ok... > but fatih.net , voltelektrik.com , orucoglu.com , ispro.net > all of them are not working, I could not understand the reason though > [snip] They seem to be working from here... This really isn't related to FreeBSD - everyones been helpful (including myself) with your original problem, but if your having problems with this, you should either go look up some more details / info at a more relavent place, or pay your ISP to sort this out for you (Some ISP's including DNS hosting/maintanence within the charge for registering the domain)... Other places to find out about dns include http://www.isc.org, other 'bind' related mailing lists, or you could always buy a book on it :-) Posting an "URGENT" message in the FreeBSD forums everytime your domain name setup / config doesn't work could really annoy some people (I'm not entirely un-annoyed myself :-) Good luck though, Regards, Karl Pielorz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 23 15:52:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.cioe.com (ns1.cioe.com [204.120.165.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7371A14D54 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 15:52:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@ns1.cioe.com) Received: (from steve@localhost) by ns1.cioe.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id SAA01607; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:51:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from steve) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:51:38 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Ames Message-Id: <199903232351.SAA01607@ns1.cioe.com> To: andrew@squiz.co.nz, ben@hamsterville.ultranet.com Subject: Re: automatic user password expiration? Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <007f01be74f1$ddbf6180$174f06d1@hamsterville.ultranet.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Are you using UNIX-PW or are passwords set explicitly in 'users'? > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 23 00:57:25 1999 > From: "Ben Goodwin" > To: "Andrew McNaughton" > Cc: > Subject: Re: automatic user password expiration? > Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 00:56:15 -0500 > > > chpass knows about expiry dates, and there's a field for it in > > /etc/master.passwd. > > /me feels less-than-smart now. > Thanks :-) That got it so logging in, ftp, and pop fail auth when > appropriate. However, the merit radius in the ports section -isn't- failing > ... ! What would cause this to happen? I figured getpw* routines would > simply return a fail, so either that's not the case or merit's radius is > doing something non-standard ... ? > (This is on a FreeBSD 3.0R box BTW; i noted that 226R would not fail an ftp > session if the user had expired) > > -=| Ben > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 23 17:29:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.trace.net.tw (mail.trace.net.tw [202.80.128.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B5E153BF for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:28:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ronald@trace.net.tw) X-Comments: ****** Message sent through an Trace account ****** X-http: ****** http://www.trace.com.tw ****** Received: from trace.net.tw (ronald.trace.net.tw [202.80.128.81]) by mail.trace.net.tw (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA18002; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:25:11 +0800 Message-ID: <36F840C1.990522CC@trace.net.tw> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:32:49 +0800 From: "Ronald Wiplinger (ÃQ¤¯¯Ç)" Organization: Wang's Trace.net.tw X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Wyatt Cc: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Ethernet card problem References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------3BFC73C096596136306B53A4" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3BFC73C096596136306B53A4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I got finally the second Intel Ether express Ethernet card and have installed it. It does not show up any error, but the system still hangs within 12 hours, if the ETINC bandwidth manager is running. (otherwise the second Ethernet card is not used anyway.) We have now even reduced the load for filtering from 1.3MB to 512k (less servers on the ethernet card of the filter). Also very bad is that the graphic is totally wrong: A filter of 64k in and 64k out shows a horizontal line of 128.4 k in! The filter graphic shows often "0" whereby during this time the user is still working. Does anybody know how to use the ZOOM and DATE fields? bye Ronald Wiplinger (ÃQ¤¯¯Ç) http://www.trace.net.tw (phone number = e-mail) e-mail: 0935869459@phonebook.com.tw or ronald@trace.net.tw --------------3BFC73C096596136306B53A4 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=big5; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Ronald Wiplinger (ÃQ¤¯¯Ç) Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Ronald Wiplinger (ÃQ¤¯¯Ç) n: Wiplinger (ÃQ¤¯¯Ç);Ronald org: Wangs Trace Tech. Enterprise adr: No. 11, Lane 96, Section 1;;Wen Hua 2nd Road, Linkou Hsian;Taipei Hsien;;24442;Taiwan, R.o.C. email;internet: ronald@trace.net.tw title: Gen. Manager tel;work: (02) 26090652+10, (0935) 869459 tel;fax: +886 2 2600-0132 tel;home: +886 2 2609-0652+80 note: We run an ISP & ITSP in Taiwan. Call me via netmeeting (203.67.189.35) x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------3BFC73C096596136306B53A4-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 23 17:43:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from poseidon.hamsterville.ultranet.com (poseidon.hamsterville.ultranet.com [209.6.79.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0F4153EB for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:43:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben@hamsterville.ultranet.com) Received: from energizer (dyn2.hamsterville.ultranet.com [209.6.79.23]) by poseidon.hamsterville.ultranet.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA00404; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:42:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005501be7597$91a56640$174f06d1@hamsterville.ultranet.com> From: "Ben Goodwin" To: "Steve Ames" , Cc: References: <199903232351.SAA01607@ns1.cioe.com> Subject: Re: automatic user password expiration? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:42:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Unix-PW ... -=| Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ames To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 6:51 PM Subject: Re: automatic user password expiration? > Are you using UNIX-PW or are passwords set explicitly in 'users'? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 23 17:59:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from luke.cpl.net (luke.cpl.net [209.150.92.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD021537E for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:59:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shawn@luke.cpl.net) Received: (from shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14853 for isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:00:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19990323180038.G24993@cpl.net> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:00:38 -0800 From: Shawn Ramsey To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Radius proxy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can anyone tell me what is neccessary on the "remote" radius server to authenticate from a proxy radius server? Trying to get authentication working from www.megapop.net. The users login like "username@emnet2000", which forwards that request to our server. What is needed on our radius server? Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 23 18:18:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from luke.cpl.net (luke.cpl.net [209.150.92.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EFB9153DC for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:17:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shawn@luke.cpl.net) Received: (from shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA20584 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:18:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19990323181838.H24993@cpl.net> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:18:38 -0800 From: Shawn Ramsey To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe isp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 23 19: 9:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from poseidon.hamsterville.ultranet.com (poseidon.hamsterville.ultranet.com [209.6.79.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DE515443 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:08:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ben@hamsterville.ultranet.com) Received: from energizer (dyn2.hamsterville.ultranet.com [209.6.79.23]) by poseidon.hamsterville.ultranet.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA02708 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:07:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008501be75a3$77ff6d60$174f06d1@hamsterville.ultranet.com> From: "Ben Goodwin" To: References: <199903211011.WAA17981@aniwa.sky> Subject: Re: automatic user password expiration? Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:07:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It seems that "getpwnam" returns the password regardless of the expiration setting. So that would mean that the program that's checking a user's password also needs to check for the expiration date? Or is there a better routine to use that automatically does this? In any case, it's beginning to look like I need to patch the merit radius server ... I'm hoping that's not the case because I hate running edited code ... :-( Thanks again, -=| Ben To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 23 19:30:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from host07.rwsystems.net (kasie.rwsystems.net [209.197.192.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F316F14CD3 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:30:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jwyatt@RWSystems.net) Received: from kasie.rwsystems.net([209.197.192.103]) (1629 bytes) by host07.rwsystems.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:26:11 -0600 (CST) (Smail-3.2.0.104 1998-Nov-20 #1 built 1998-Dec-24) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:26:10 -0600 (CST) From: James Wyatt To: =?X-UNKNOWN?Q?Ronald_Wiplinger_=28=C3Q=A4=AF=AF=C7=29?= Cc: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Ethernet card problem In-Reply-To: <36F840C1.990522CC@trace.net.tw> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 24 Mar 1999, Ronald Wiplinger (ÃQ¤¯¯Ç) wrote: > I got finally the second Intel Ether express Ethernet card and have > installed it. It does not show up any error, but the system still hangs > within 12 hours, if the ETINC bandwidth manager is running. (otherwise > the second Ethernet card is not used anyway.) What if you disable using the b/w mgr for a while and run unlimited; turn it back on after seeing if you can run longer without it. I've also had enough troubles with various network cards and drivers to suggest trying a pair of 3Com or some other vendor as an experiment as well. Don't laugh, I would also check the power supply as I've had suprising results from slightly off-spec ones! Check it at the motherboard connector pins. Servers with several network cards, drives, and memory frequently load power supplies more than they were designed for. A couple of suggestions - Jy@ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 23 21:40:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from shell01.prophetnetworks.net (shell01.prophetnetworks.net [38.194.117.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E3714F52 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:40:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bvaughn@prophetnetworks.net) Received: from carrie (tierany.prophetnetworks.net [38.194.117.7]) by shell01.prophetnetworks.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA29688; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:39:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bvaughn@prophetnetworks.net) Message-ID: <003f01be75c0$3c74a2c0$0775c226@prophetnetworks.com> From: "Ben Vaughn" To: "Ben Goodwin" , Subject: Re: automatic user password expiration? Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:33:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org man login.conf. The login.conf file has password expiry options built into it, as well as many other really nifty features! -biv ----------------------------------------- Ben Vaughn Prophet Network Systems http://www.prophetnetworks.net ----------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Goodwin To: Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 21:07 Subject: Re: automatic user password expiration? |It seems that "getpwnam" returns the password regardless of the expiration |setting. So that would mean that the program that's checking a user's |password also needs to check for the expiration date? Or is there a better |routine to use that automatically does this? In any case, it's beginning to |look like I need to patch the merit radius server ... I'm hoping that's not |the case because I hate running edited code ... :-( |Thanks again, | | -=| Ben | | | |To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org |with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 2:29:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.uk1.vbc.net (ns.uk1.vbc.net [194.207.2.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840E51558E for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 02:29:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grant@vbc.net) Received: from gromit (gromit.uk1.vbc.net [194.207.2.6]) by ns.uk1.vbc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA11551 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:28:56 GMT (envelope-from grant@vbc.net) Message-ID: <004c01be75e0$d1c62360$0602cfc2@gromit.uk1.vbc.net> From: "Grant Beckerleg" To: Subject: can't see their server Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:26:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello people, I have a problem with viewing a server in San Jose from the UK. IP for server is 62.28.33.2 Can anyone shed some light on how to resolve this? I am very slowly getting to grips with this IP and DNS stuff but I am very new to this and it's taking a while to get upto speed. Bestest Rgds, Grant Beckerleg VBCnet GB Ltd http://www.vbc.net tel +44 117 929 1316 fax +44 117 927 2015 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 3:30:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.uk1.vbc.net (ns.uk1.vbc.net [194.207.2.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5649714F24 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 03:30:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grant@vbc.net) Received: from gromit (gromit.uk1.vbc.net [194.207.2.6]) by ns.uk1.vbc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA16945 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:29:55 GMT (envelope-from grant@vbc.net) Message-ID: <00ba01be75e9$55c5aac0$0602cfc2@gromit.uk1.vbc.net> From: "Grant Beckerleg" To: Subject: name server not found Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:27:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hello people, I have a mail problem - mail to a client from certain networks is being returned with following message :- Returned mail: Host unknown (name server: mail_server.primaryuk.com.:host not found) I know that recently they have changed mail systems from lotus notes to ms exchange. Mail from companies like ibm, ms get through, mail from ourselves, global.net and axis.com are being returned. Any suggestions as to problem or remedy? rgds Grant Beckerleg VBCnet GB Ltd http://www.vbc.net tel +44 117 929 1316 fax +44 117 927 2015 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 3:31:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A69E14E48 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 03:31:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Kp) with ESMTP id LAA31539; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:31:09 GMT Message-ID: <36F8CCE6.790BC976@tdx.co.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:30:46 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX - The Digital eXchange X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Grant Beckerleg Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: can't see their server References: <004c01be75e0$d1c62360$0602cfc2@gromit.uk1.vbc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Grant Beckerleg wrote: > > Hello people, > I have a problem with viewing a server in San > Jose from the UK. > IP for server is 62.28.33.2 This name doesn't have a reverse DNS entry - what's it's forward name? > Can anyone shed some light on how to resolve this? > I am very slowly getting to grips with this IP and DNS stuff but I am > very new to this and it's taking a while to get upto speed. This isn't really relavent to FreeBSD is it? :-( - There are lots of reference sites on the web for DNS and BIND issues, and mailing lists too!... Maybe you'll have more luck going to those? (e.g. http://www.isc.org ) -Kp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 3:48:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A6514BDD for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 03:48:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Kp) with ESMTP id LAA37285; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:47:58 GMT Message-ID: <36F8D0D7.E46C566E@tdx.co.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:47:35 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX - The Digital eXchange X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Grant Beckerleg Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: name server not found References: <00ba01be75e9$55c5aac0$0602cfc2@gromit.uk1.vbc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Grant Beckerleg wrote: > > hello people, > I have a mail problem - mail to a client from > certain networks is being returned with following message :- > > Returned mail: Host unknown (name server: > mail_server.primaryuk.com.:host not found) > > I know that recently they have changed mail systems from lotus notes > to ms exchange. Mail from companies like ibm, ms get through, mail > from ourselves, global.net and axis.com are being returned. I can't think of anything - I'm not sure I like the '_' in the hostname 'mail_server.primaryuk.com' - but my NT machine here was OK about it... Have you checked they can resolve that name on their Mail Exchange machine? Does it return any other info? - What software are you using to deal with this? Sendmail? - Theres a lot of sendmail info at www.sendmail.org, and they also have their own Newsgroups / mailing lists etc. if you get stuck... -Karl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 3:52:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from carme.eclipse.net.uk (carme.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A1341511C for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 03:52:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stuart@eclipse.net.uk) Received: from eclipse.net.uk (elara.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.31]) by carme.eclipse.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32514; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:51:59 GMT Message-ID: <36F8D249.D55C0CD8@eclipse.net.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:53:45 +0000 From: Stuart Henderson Organization: Eclipse Networking Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karl Pielorz Cc: Grant Beckerleg , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: name server not found References: <00ba01be75e9$55c5aac0$0602cfc2@gromit.uk1.vbc.net> <36F8D0D7.E46C566E@tdx.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I can't think of anything - I'm not sure I like the '_' in > he hostname 'mail_server.primaryuk.com' bind doesn't like underscores, they're not valid characters for use in domain names. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 4:12:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF8214F24 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 04:12:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Kp) with ESMTP id MAA45543; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:12:16 GMT Message-ID: <36F8D689.9EB2A227@tdx.co.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:11:53 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX - The Digital eXchange X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stuart Henderson Cc: Grant Beckerleg , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: name server not found References: <00ba01be75e9$55c5aac0$0602cfc2@gromit.uk1.vbc.net> <36F8D0D7.E46C566E@tdx.co.uk> <36F8D249.D55C0CD8@eclipse.net.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Stuart Henderson wrote: > > > I can't think of anything - I'm not sure I like the '_' in > > he hostname 'mail_server.primaryuk.com' > > bind doesn't like underscores, they're not valid characters for use in > domain names. That's what I thought - though to be fair our NT boxes here resolved the name OK... I still wouldn't trust them though :-) - Brings back memories of the people who set their Win9X machines names to things like "Bob's only PC" (which later becomes "Bob's only PC.isp.net") :) -Kp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 5: 2:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0FD514DBF for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 05:02:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.8) with UUCP id IAA22822 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:00:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA05886 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:01:56 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199903241301.IAA05886@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: name server not found In-Reply-To: <36F8D689.9EB2A227@tdx.co.uk> from Karl Pielorz at "Mar 24, 1999 12:11:53 pm" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:01:55 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Karl Pielorz recently said: > > Stuart Henderson wrote: > > > I can't think of anything - I'm not sure I like the '_' in he > > > hostname 'mail_server.primaryuk.com' > > bind doesn't like underscores, they're not valid characters for > > use in domain names. > That's what I thought - though to be fair our NT boxes here > resolved the name OK... I still wouldn't trust them though :-) - > Brings back memories of the people who set their Win9X machines > names to things like "Bob's only PC" (which later becomes "Bob's > only PC.isp.net") :) AISTR it was 5 or so years ago when the RFC's were changed to make "_" illegal in machine names. I set up a machine as an email gateway for a site with a lot of Novell and Win product. I made the comment to the adminstrator then the the names with underscores were illegal. However the older versions of Bind accepted this. It is the newer versions that enforce that. You can't say "to be fair our NT boxes resolved the name OK .." unless you are comparing it with the versions of BIND in the 1995/6 area. Just because it used to comply doesn't mean the MS needs to stick with that. They do need to keep up with current standards. Bill -- bill@bilver.magicnet.net | bv@wjv.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 5:12:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5FF714D0C for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 05:12:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Kp) with ESMTP id NAA65365; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:10:36 GMT Message-ID: <36F8E435.28E1A4C5@tdx.co.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:10:13 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX - The Digital eXchange X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Vermillion Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: name server not found References: <199903241301.IAA05886@bilver.magicnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Vermillion wrote: > I made the comment to the adminstrator then the the names with > underscores were illegal. > > However the older versions of Bind accepted this. It is the newer > versions that enforce that. You can't say "to be fair our NT > boxes resolved the name OK .." unless you are comparing it > with the versions of BIND in the 1995/6 area. Our Bind 8.2 systems here didn't have a problem resolving it, I know they have a problem serving it though :) > Just because it > used to comply doesn't mean the MS needs to stick with that. They > do need to keep up with current standards. Absolutely... -Kp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 5:38:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from velvet.sensation.net.au (serial0-velvet.Brunswick.sensation.net.au [203.20.114.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FDC14BD8 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 05:38:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) Received: from localhost (rowan@localhost) by velvet.sensation.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA27837 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:38:17 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) X-Authentication-Warning: velvet.sensation.net.au: rowan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:38:13 +1100 (EST) From: Rowan Crowe To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: doubled up messages Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is anyone else seeing two of some messages? It doesn't happen for every message. The message ids and delivery times at hub.freebsd.org are identical in the copied message, so the duplication is happening between hub.freebsd.org and scratchy.physics.usyd.edu.au (presumably this machine is used for .au bound emails). The duplicates are 100% complete and of identical size, just the delivery times differ after it leaves hub.freebsd.org. Messages only seem to be single or double delivered, never triple or higher. ?? Cheers. -- Rowan Crowe Sensation Internet Services, Melbourne Aust fidonet: 3:635/728 +61-3-9388-9260 http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/ http://www.sensation.net.au/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 5:50:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF8814C0B for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 05:50:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Kp) with ESMTP id NAA78653; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:50:00 GMT Message-ID: <36F8ED72.88101FE4@tdx.co.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:49:38 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX - The Digital eXchange X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rowan Crowe Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: doubled up messages References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rowan Crowe wrote: > Is anyone else seeing two of some messages? Nope, not here - I'm in the UK... JMB has asked that, "ONLY send one pair of headers for each address....others will be thrown away without me looking at them. please send the headers to "duplicates@freebsd.org". So I'd mail the headers as above :-) -Kp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 5:53:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from moat.teksupport.net.au (moat.teksupport.net.au [203.17.1.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1941522A for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 05:53:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robseco@wizard.teksupport.net.au) Received: from magician.teksupport.net.au (magician.teksupport.net.au [192.168.1.2]) by moat.teksupport.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA28188 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:53:01 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from robseco@wizard.teksupport.net.au) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990324235300.00b63140@moat-gw.teksupport.net.au> X-Sender: robseco@moat-gw.teksupport.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:53:00 +1000 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Rob Secombe Subject: Re: doubled up messages In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 00:38 25-03-99 +1100, Rowan Crowe wrote: >Is anyone else seeing two of some messages? > Yep... I'm getting them too. Rob Secombe (RS39-AU) Engineering Director Teksupport Pty. Ltd. 7 Warwick Avenue, Springvale, Melbourne Australia 3171 Phone +61 3 9562 4577 Fax +61 3 9547 0320 World Wide Web: http://www.teksupport.net.au/ PGP Public Key: http://www.teksupport.net.au/~robseco/pgp.txt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 7:22:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from harfang.CC.UMontreal.CA (harfang.CC.UMontreal.CA [132.204.2.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D56314FF4 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 07:22:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from beaupran@JSP.UMontreal.CA) Received: from epsom.jsp.umontreal.ca (epsom.JSP.UMontreal.CA [132.204.45.25]) by harfang.CC.UMontreal.CA (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA10243; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:21:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from spi25.jsp.umontreal.ca (spi25.jsp.umontreal.ca [132.204.45.65]) by epsom.jsp.umontreal.ca via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/JSP1789) id KAA27027; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:21:57 -0500 Received: from localhost (beaupran@localhost) by spi25.jsp.umontreal.ca via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1502/JSP1789) id KAA01571; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:21:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: spi25.jsp.umontreal.ca: beaupran owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:21:55 -0500 (EST) From: BEAUPRE Antoine To: Rob Secombe Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: doubled up messages In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990324235300.00b63140@moat-gw.teksupport.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here too. But just for 3 messages, and never had any other again. On Wed, 24 Mar 1999, Rob Secombe wrote: > At 00:38 25-03-99 +1100, Rowan Crowe wrote: > >Is anyone else seeing two of some messages? > > > > Yep... I'm getting them too. > > > > > Rob Secombe (RS39-AU) > Engineering Director > > Teksupport Pty. Ltd. 7 Warwick Avenue, Springvale, Melbourne Australia 3171 > > Phone +61 3 9562 4577 Fax +61 3 9547 0320 > World Wide Web: http://www.teksupport.net.au/ > PGP Public Key: http://www.teksupport.net.au/~robseco/pgp.txt > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > Spidey Jesus died for his own sins. Not mine. (CRASS, 1978) http://www.jsp.umontreal.ca/~beaupran To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 8:35:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.intercom.com (mail.intercom.com [206.98.165.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC8414D97 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:34:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@intercom.com) Received: from mail.intercom.com (mail.intercom.com [206.98.165.10]) by mail.intercom.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA19142 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:34:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:34:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Jason J. Horton" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: BIND 8.2 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone had a problem with the new version of bind? I have noticed that the process has been dying, dumping a huge core file. What is a good way to monitor a process, and restart if it dies? -Jason J. Horton Senior Network & Systems Engineer Intercom Online Inc. 212.378.2202 | http://www.intercom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 8:47:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from carp.gbr.epa.gov (carp.gbr.epa.gov [204.46.159.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 429EB14DCD for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:47:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjenkins@carp.gbr.epa.gov) Received: (from mjenkins@localhost) by carp.gbr.epa.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01784 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:46:16 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mjenkins) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:46:16 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Jenkins Message-Id: <199903241646.KAA01784@carp.gbr.epa.gov> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: doubled up messages In-Reply-To: <36F8ED72.88101FE4@tdx.co.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Karl Pielorz's reply was doubled. I've included the headers for both messages below. The only difference is the times received from hub.FreeBSD.ORG. Mike P.S. I see hub.FreeBSD.ORG is using postfix. P.P.S. I use Obtuse smtpd/smtpfwdd and sendmail. =====Difference between the 2 messages===== 3c3 < by carp.gbr.epa.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01381 --- > by carp.gbr.epa.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01380 7c7 < via SMTP by carp.gbr.epa.gov, id smtpdNE1377; Wed Mar 24 07:50:26 1999 --- > via SMTP by carp.gbr.epa.gov, id smtpdZf1376; Wed Mar 24 07:50:22 1999 =====Message 1 Headers===== > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 24 07:50:38 1999 > Received: (from uucp@localhost) > by carp.gbr.epa.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01381 > for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 07:50:37 -0600 (CST) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) > Received: from hub.FreeBSD.ORG(204.216.27.18) > via SMTP by carp.gbr.epa.gov, id smtpdNE1377; Wed Mar 24 07:50:26 1999 > Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 538) > id 0970414F3D; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 05:50:36 -0800 (PST) > Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP > id EC31A1CD616; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 05:50:35 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) > Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 05:50:35 -0800 > Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) > by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF8814C0B > for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 05:50:32 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) > Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) > by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Kp) with ESMTP id NAA78653; > Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:50:00 GMT > Message-ID: <36F8ED72.88101FE4@tdx.co.uk> > Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:49:38 +0000 > From: Karl Pielorz > Organization: TDX - The Digital eXchange > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) > X-Accept-Language: en > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: Rowan Crowe > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: doubled up messages > References: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Precedence: bulk > Status: RO =====Message 2 Headers===== > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 24 07:50:38 1999 > Received: (from uucp@localhost) > by carp.gbr.epa.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01380 > for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 07:50:37 -0600 (CST) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) > Received: from hub.FreeBSD.ORG(204.216.27.18) > via SMTP by carp.gbr.epa.gov, id smtpdZf1376; Wed Mar 24 07:50:22 1999 > Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 538) > id 0970414F3D; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 05:50:36 -0800 (PST) > Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP > id EC31A1CD616; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 05:50:35 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) > Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 Mar 1999 05:50:35 -0800 > Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) > by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF8814C0B > for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 05:50:32 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) > Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) > by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Kp) with ESMTP id NAA78653; > Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:50:00 GMT > Message-ID: <36F8ED72.88101FE4@tdx.co.uk> > Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:49:38 +0000 > From: Karl Pielorz > Organization: TDX - The Digital eXchange > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) > X-Accept-Language: en > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: Rowan Crowe > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: doubled up messages > References: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Precedence: bulk > Status: RO To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 9:25: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D960015494 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:25:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Kp) with ESMTP id RAA51878; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:24:32 GMT Message-ID: <36F91FB9.EA61A2D4@tdx.co.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:24:09 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX - The Digital eXchange X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jason J. Horton" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BIND 8.2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jason J. Horton" wrote: > > Has anyone had a problem with the new version > of bind? I have noticed that the process has > been dying, dumping a huge core file. I've been running it here under 4.0-current for about the past week, with quite a few hundred domains, and no problems... > What is a good way to monitor a process, and > restart if it dies? Probably to put a script run from the crontab that checks it say, every 5 minutes then re-run's it if it's not running...? -Kp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 9:26:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F8714F22 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:26:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Kp) with ESMTP id RAA52419; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:26:16 GMT Message-ID: <36F92021.E0BD49F3@tdx.co.uk> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:25:53 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX - The Digital eXchange X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Jenkins Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: doubled up messages References: <199903241646.KAA01784@carp.gbr.epa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Jenkins wrote: > > Karl Pielorz's reply was doubled. I've included the headers > for both messages below. The only difference is the times > received from hub.FreeBSD.ORG. Did you send them to the 'duplicates@freebsd.org' address as well? > Mike > P.S. I see hub.FreeBSD.ORG is using postfix. It has done for a while now... Before the dupes started I'd say? :) > P.P.S. I use Obtuse smtpd/smtpfwdd and sendmail. On the other lists people have been recomending procmail solutions to dump the dupes... Not idea (i.e. fix it at destination instead of source) but might be worthwhile as stop-gap solution? -Kp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 10:18:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from carp.gbr.epa.gov (carp.gbr.epa.gov [204.46.159.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0A414CC4 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:18:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjenkins@carp.gbr.epa.gov) Received: (from mjenkins@localhost) by carp.gbr.epa.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01946; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:17:30 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mjenkins) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:17:30 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Jenkins Message-Id: <199903241817.MAA01946@carp.gbr.epa.gov> To: kpielorz@tdx.co.uk Subject: Re: doubled up messages Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <36F92021.E0BD49F3@tdx.co.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Karl Pielorz wrote: > Did you send them to the 'duplicates@freebsd.org' address as well? Didn't know that existed. I'll send your duped "Re: BIND 8.2" messages. > > P.S. I see hub.FreeBSD.ORG is using postfix. > > It has done for a while now... Before the dupes started I'd say? :) I just thought it was interesting. Thinking maybe this is "writing on the wall". Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 10:22: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from commnet.accn.org (commnet.accn.org [207.73.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3F214DF6 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:21:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ryanm@accn.org) Received: from accn.org (rocky.accn.org [207.73.64.8]) by commnet.accn.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09313 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:21:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36F92CBE.F1D762A2@accn.org> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:19:42 -0500 From: ryanm Reply-To: ryanm@accn.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Netscape Enterprise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry if this is off topic but I have a question I cannot find an answer for on netscape's site go figure. Where are the patches for versions of Enterprise server?? ftp.netscape.com produces nothing for Enterprise server and there help is worthless. If anyone can give me a link/ftp site anything I would appreciate it. Thanks, Ryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 11: 3:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from lms1.cyber1.net (lms1.cyber1.net [208.206.222.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955D314DA9 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:03:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@cyber1.net) Received: from localhost (peter@localhost) by lms1.cyber1.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA09900 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:02:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:02:50 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Brezny To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: switch vs bridge Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org is a switch the same thing as a multi port bridge? thanks. Peter Brezny cyber1.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 13:14:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from red.ligos.com (red.ligos.com [207.238.131.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0629A14EA1 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:14:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rwaldura@LIGOS.COM) Received: (qmail 10415 invoked from network); 24 Mar 1999 21:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.ligos.com) (192.168.1.2) by 192.168.1.1 with SMTP; 24 Mar 1999 21:14:09 -0000 Received: by server.ligos.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:14:09 -0800 Message-ID: <9141909996F1D011B8FF00A0C95A661B2E09CE@server.ligos.com> From: Renaud Waldura To: 'Peter Brezny' Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: switch vs bridge Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:14:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes and no. Yes, they both operate at the link layer and perform the same core function, ie. forward datagrams from port to port (I've never heard of a single port bridge). No, because a brige shares the links between all ports, forwards the datagrams to all ports. A switch selects the right port(s) only, segmenting your network dynamically for the time of transmission; eg. on Ethernet, you get full 10 Mbps on every link, instead of having a shared 10 Mbps for all links. Basically a switch is a better bridge. It should probably be called a switching bridge, but usage, you know... At least that's my understanding. If somebody knows better, I'd love to be corrected. This is really not a FreeBSD question, but I guess you knew that. --Renaud > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Brezny [SMTP:peter@cyber1.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 11:03 AM > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: switch vs bridge > > is a switch the same thing as a multi port bridge? > > thanks. > > Peter Brezny > cyber1.net > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 14:25: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.webnology.com (mercury.webnology.com [209.155.51.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C47F14DFA for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:24:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jooji@webnology.com) Received: from localhost (jooji@localhost) by mercury.webnology.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id QAA13119; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:25:05 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:25:05 -0600 (CST) From: "Jasper O'Malley" To: Renaud Waldura Cc: "'Peter Brezny'" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: switch vs bridge In-Reply-To: <9141909996F1D011B8FF00A0C95A661B2E09CE@server.ligos.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 24 Mar 1999, Renaud Waldura wrote: > No, because a brige shares the links between all ports, forwards the > datagrams to all ports. This is incorrect. You're thinking of a hub. It breaks down like this: Simple repeater - has two ports. Anything it hears on one port it copies and blindly transmits ("repeats") on the other port. Does not check for or retransmit in the case of a collision. Hub - a multiport repeater. Anything it hears on any port is copied and blindly retransmitted on all other ports. All devices connected to a hub must operate in half-duplex mode (i.e. they can't talk and listen at the same time). Simple Bridge - has two ports. Maintains an internal table of MAC addresses, keeping track of which devices are connected to which port. Only transmits packets if it needs to transfer them from the segment on one side to the segment on the other. Usually used to connect hubs and separate networks into different "collision domains." DOES check for collisions, and will retransmit. Switch - a multiport bridge. Maintains an internal table of MAC addresses, keeping track of which devices are connected to which ports. Devices directly connected to a switch can operate in full-duplex mode. Cheers, Mick The Reverend Jasper P. O'Malley dotdot:jooji@webnology.com Systems Administrator ringring:asktheadmiral Webnology, LLC woowoo:http://www.webnology.com/~jooji To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 15:20:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E7814C30 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:20:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA04541; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:19:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903242319.SAA04541@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:14:12 -0500 To: "Jasper O'Malley" From: Dennis Subject: RE: switch vs bridge Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <9141909996F1D011B8FF00A0C95A661B2E09CE@server.ligos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org . >Simple Bridge - has two ports. Maintains an internal table of MAC >addresses, keeping track of which devices are connected to which port. >Only transmits packets if it needs to transfer them from the segment on >one side to the segment on the other. Usually used to connect hubs and >separate networks into different "collision domains." DOES check for >collisions, and will retransmit. > >Switch - a multiport bridge. Maintains an internal table of MAC addresses, >keeping track of which devices are connected to which ports. Devices >directly connected to a switch can operate in full-duplex mode. It seems to me that a *switch* (assuming that you are talking about an ethernet switch and not the new-fangled IP switches) would have addresses hard-coded to specific segments) whereas a bridge generally learns them from traffic. A switch should be immune to loops... bridges ARE in fact switches, except they are vulnerable to broadcast storms and loops. Switches have to forward broadcasts also (to make arps work) so you could pass a bridge off as a switch...probably people call a bridge a switch if it has more than two ports.... Im testing the final version of our bwmgr bridging feature as I type...so its way too fresh on my mind....pretty cool though and it makes setup a whole lot easier. Dennis Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com ISA and PCI T1/V35/HSSI Cards for FreeBSD and LINUX HSSI/T3 UNIX-based Routers Bandwidth Manager http://www.etinc.com/bwmgr.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 18: 1:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from www.mauigateway.com (www.mauigateway.com [205.166.249.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E055614F25 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:01:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lierly@www.mauigateway.com) Received: from localhost (lierly@localhost) by www.mauigateway.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA25053 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:01:07 -1000 (HST) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:01:07 -1000 (HST) From: Nathanael Lierly To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: trolls getting thick. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Aloha, Just thought I'd bloat up everyones mail box with one more off topic troll like message.....and say thanks to all the people out there who make FreeBSD the best OS I know of for isp's.. Aloha Oe N. Nathanael Lierly (AKA. Cephas, Keken, THEOBAUD, Thundarr) UNIX Systems Administrator - FreeBSD, mach, various oditys (cephas@mauibuilt.com) Maui Gateway (www.mauigateway.com nlierly@mauigateway.com) Digital Werks - Media City (www.virtualhawaii.com lierly@virtualhawaii.com) - A computer glitch will not bring about the end of civilization. It takes hordes of panicking people to do that.- question@mauigateway.com Johnathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 18:11:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from packfish.gateway.net.hk (packfish.gateway.net.hk [202.76.19.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1108A14DC8 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:11:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@gateway.net.hk) Received: (qmail 18030 invoked by uid 101); 25 Mar 1999 02:11:14 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:11:14 +0800 (HKT) From: John Beukema X-Sender: john@packfish.gateway.net.hk To: Karl Pielorz Cc: Rowan Crowe , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: doubled up messages In-Reply-To: <36F8ED72.88101FE4@tdx.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I received 2 of this message and a number of others today. On Wed, 24 Mar 1999, Karl Pielorz wrote: > Rowan Crowe wrote: > > > Is anyone else seeing two of some messages? > > Nope, not here - I'm in the UK... > > JMB has asked that, > > "ONLY send one pair of headers for each address....others will be thrown away > without me looking at them. please send the headers to > "duplicates@freebsd.org". > > So I'd mail the headers as above :-) > > -Kp > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 18:44:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from terror.hungry.com (terror.hungry.com [199.181.107.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 65F0F14D32 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:44:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fn@hungry.com) Received: (qmail 9860 invoked by uid 0); 25 Mar 1999 02:44:09 -0000 Received: from siren.hungry.com (undead@199.181.107.129) by terror.hungry.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 1999 02:44:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 19264 invoked by uid 507); 25 Mar 1999 02:44:19 -0000 From: Faried Nawaz To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BIND 8.2 Reply-To: Faried Nawaz References: Date: 24 Mar 1999 18:44:19 -0800 In-Reply-To: jason@intercom.com's message of "24 Mar 1999 08:36:03 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 27 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org jason@intercom.com (Jason J. Horton) writes: Has anyone had a problem with the new version of bind? I have noticed that the process has been dying, dumping a huge core file. Yes, I have -- but only with 2.2.8. It's fine on 2.2.7, and I haven't tried it on 3.x (yet). What is a good way to monitor a process, and restart if it dies? One way is to use supervise; it's in the the daemontools port (under sysutils). If you don't have that port, grab daemontools from ftp://koobera.math.uic.edu/pub/software/daemontools-0.53.tar.gz It's an easy compile -- just read the README file. Also, see http://pobox.com/~djb/daemontools.html faried. -- i have a new fave name for m$: MICROS~1 -- mrg@eterna.com.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 19:27: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.webnology.com (mercury.webnology.com [209.155.51.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD0914D49 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:26:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jooji@webnology.com) Received: from localhost (jooji@localhost) by mercury.webnology.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id VAA18646; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:28:03 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:28:03 -0600 (CST) From: "Jasper O'Malley" To: Dennis Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: switch vs bridge In-Reply-To: <199903242319.SAA04541@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 24 Mar 1999, Dennis wrote: > It seems to me that a *switch* (assuming that you are talking about an > ethernet switch and not the new-fangled IP switches) would have addresses > hard-coded to specific segments) whereas a bridge generally learns them > from traffic. None of the switches I've worked with (BayStack 350T/F, Bay System 5000 Switch Modules, Cisco 2900 series) have required hard-coding addresses. All in all, I feel completely comfortable characterizing them as "multiport bridges." > A switch should be immune to loops... No more so than a simple bridge, in my experience. > bridges ARE in fact switches, Bridges and switches, switches are bridges. It's all semantics. They both switch traffic between ports based on layer 2 addressing. Cheers, Mick The Reverend Jasper P. O'Malley dotdot:jooji@webnology.com Systems Administrator ringring:asktheadmiral Webnology, LLC woowoo:http://www.webnology.com/~jooji To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 19:54:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9252114DA6 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:54:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA34558; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:54:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: "Jasper O'Malley" Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: switch vs bridge In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:28:03 CST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:54:12 -0500 Message-ID: <34554.922334052@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jasper O'Malley" wrote in message ID : > > A switch should be immune to loops... > > No more so than a simple bridge, in my experience. Turn on spanning-tree. And be ready for your network to die for 30 seconds every time you add/remove a switch (at least with the Synoptics^W Bay Netowks ^W^W Nortel 28115). Haven't tried/noticed that problem with any other switches tho. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 21:59: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from rmx07.globecomm.net (rmx07.iname.net [165.251.8.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4EF14EFC for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:58:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lsearchw@altavista.net) Received: from weba1.iname.net by rmx07.globecomm.net (8.9.1/8.8.0) with ESMTP id AAA16841 ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:57:31 -0500 (EST) From: lsearchw@altavista.net Received: (from root@localhost) by weba1.iname.net (8.9.1a/8.9.2.Alpha2) id AAA25823; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:57:30 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9903250057302B.23193@weba1.iname.net> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:57:30 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: doubled up messages Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes, I'm getting a bunch of duplicate emails (but in the U.S.). L. S. Rowan Crowe wrote: >Is anyone else seeing two of some messages? > >It doesn't happen for every message. > >The message ids and delivery times at hub.freebsd.org >are identical in the copied message, so the duplication >is happening between >hub.freebsd.org and >scratchy.physics.usyd.edu.au (presumably this machine >is used for .au bound emails). > >The duplicates are 100% complete and of identical size, >just the delivery times differ after it leaves >hub.freebsd.org. > >Messages only seem to be single or double delivered, >never triple or higher. > >?? >Cheers. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 22:28:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.tmbg.net (dingo.tmbg.net [203.46.1.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5766814C94 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:28:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steven@dingo.tmbg.net) Received: (from steven@localhost) by dingo.tmbg.net (8.9.2/8.8.7) id QAA32453 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:29:33 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:29:33 +1000 From: Steven Lawrance To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: doubled up messages Message-ID: <19990325162933.B32310@sia.net.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Rowan Crowe on Thu, Mar 25, 1999 at 12:38:13AM +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 25, 1999 at 12:38:13AM +1100, Rowan Crowe wrote: > Is anyone else seeing two of some messages? Yes, same symptoms.. yours is one of the few that didn't double up :) Oh, I guess we know this is happening on all the freebsd- lists? Well, that was my 'me too' for the day :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 24 22:40:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from spooky.eis.net.au (spooky.eis.net.au [203.12.171.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50B8152D6 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:40:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ernie@spooky.eis.net.au) Received: (from ernie@localhost) by spooky.eis.net.au (8.9.2/8.8.3) id QAA24967 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:40:20 +1000 (EST) From: Ernie Elu Message-Id: <199903250640.QAA24967@spooky.eis.net.au> Subject: password authentication To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:40:20 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am looking for a small program that will work with squid2.0 on FreeBSD 3.1 that will enable me to use the authenticate_program directive with MD5 passwords on FreeBSD. The way the thing is menat to work is you install something like ncsa_auth then create a password file similar to a .htpasswd file and squid will call ncsa_auth to authenticate the proxy user. That sucks as everytime I add a new user I have to add them to the ncsa_auth password file as well. What I was hoping to find was a small program or perl script that could take as input a username and password and it would call the appropriate FreeBSD library routine to check the password against the system password and return OK or or simialr which I would massage to suit the reponse squid expected. Any suggestions? - Ernie. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 25 0:55:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dns.hgs.com.cn (unknown [202.96.210.159]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1666515012 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:55:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from xiyuan@dns.hgs.com.cn) Received: (from xiyuan@localhost) by dns.hgs.com.cn (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA06399; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:51:26 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from xiyuan) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:51:26 +0800 (CST) From: xiyuan qian Message-Id: <199903250851.QAA06399@dns.hgs.com.cn> To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: NFS?? Cc: xiyuan@dns.hgs.com.cn Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I am now maintaining a game server which can let players connect in to play each other. The player's num is growing very fast. With only one server, it is very hard to work well. Is it possible for me to add one server to the net and let the new server balance the trafic? How can this new server work together with the old one? NFS or AFS or ??? to manager the players data? Best regaurds! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 25 1:59: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bmccane.maxbaud.net (baud225.maxbaud.net [12.13.66.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F227D14BE9 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 01:58:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@bmccane.maxbaud.net) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by bmccane.maxbaud.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id DAA60139 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 03:58:16 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from root@bmccane.maxbaud.net) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 03:58:15 -0600 (CST) From: Wm Brian McCane To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: E-mail spoof? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, I got an email message with headers as follows: > Return-Path: <.@nest.se> > Received: from ads.sellit-here.com (gamestation.maxbaud.net [12.13.66.202] (may be forged)) > by bmccane.maxbaud.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA57205 > for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 03:28:29 -0600 (CST) > (envelope-from .@nest.se) > Received: from laban.nest.se (laban.nest.se [194.52.146.70]) > by ads.sellit-here.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA17168 > for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 03:28:15 -0600 (CST) > (envelope-from .@nest.se) > Message-Id: <199903250928.DAA17168@ads.sellit-here.com> > Received: from laban.nest.se ([208.254.108.184]) by laban.nest.se > (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AEK214; > Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:56:47 +0100 > To: user@the_internet.com > Date: Wed, 24 Mar 99 09:38:36 EST > From: .@ads.maxbaud.net > Subject: Hi Sexy,I am lonely waiting for you to call me. > Status: It would appear that whoever sent this machine may have used my machine to send spam. I assume this because it has a "From: " address that is "on my machine", ie. '.@ads.maxbaud.net'. 1) Did my machine relay spam? 2) If so, can I block this type of use. 3) Yes, I have relaying blocked from outside my domain(s). brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 25 2:15:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6CF14E02 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 02:15:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Kp) with ESMTP id KAA94172; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:14:59 GMT Message-ID: <36FA0C8A.A590C261@tdx.co.uk> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:14:34 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX - The Digital eXchange X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wm Brian McCane Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: E-mail spoof? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wm Brian McCane wrote: > > Greetings, > I got an email message with headers as follows: > > > Return-Path: <.@nest.se> > > Received: from ads.sellit-here.com (gamestation.maxbaud.net [12.13.66.202] (may be forged)) > > by bmccane.maxbaud.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA57205 > > for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 03:28:29 -0600 (CST) > > (envelope-from .@nest.se) > > Received: from laban.nest.se (laban.nest.se [194.52.146.70]) > > by ads.sellit-here.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA17168 > > for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 03:28:15 -0600 (CST) > > (envelope-from .@nest.se) > > Message-Id: <199903250928.DAA17168@ads.sellit-here.com> > > Received: from laban.nest.se ([208.254.108.184]) by laban.nest.se > It would appear that whoever sent this machine may have used my machine to > send spam. I assume this because it has a "From: " address that is "on my > machine", ie. '.@ads.maxbaud.net'. > > 1) Did my machine relay spam? I don't think so - it just looks like they faked the From: address, e.g. similar to when you have an email arrive in your inbox that says "From: joe@public.com", "To: joe@public.com" (Makes you wonder what it's doing in your inbox until you realise it's SPAM... :-) -Kp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 25 3: 7: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from carme.eclipse.net.uk (carme.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E54915019 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 03:06:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stuart@eclipse.net.uk) Received: from eclipse.net.uk (elara.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.31]) by carme.eclipse.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18720; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:05:52 GMT Message-ID: <36FA18FA.9B254C0C@eclipse.net.uk> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:07:38 +0000 From: Stuart Henderson Organization: Eclipse Networking Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wm Brian McCane Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: E-mail spoof? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I got an email message with headers as follows: Unless told otherwise sendmail will add your machine name to addresses not containing an @ symbol. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 25 3:48:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from retribution.net (retribution.net [207.96.1.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6571714EF5 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 03:48:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vkhare@retribution.net) Received: from localhost (vkhare@localhost) by retribution.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA05292; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:51:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:51:09 -0500 (EST) From: Vikram Khare To: Dennis Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: switch vs bridge In-Reply-To: <199903242319.SAA04541@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 24 Mar 1999, Dennis wrote: >hard-coded to specific segments) whereas a bridge generally learns them >from traffic. A switch should be immune to loops... >bridges ARE in fact switches, except they are vulnerable to broadcast storms >and loops. Switches have to forward broadcasts also (to make arps work) so Configuring redundant links without configuring spanning tree within a single vlan will lead to both of those problems if you're not careful. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 25 9:18:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1ADBD150DB for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:18:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 23646 invoked by uid 1001); 25 Mar 1999 17:17:49 +0000 (GMT) To: kpielorz@tdx.co.uk Cc: jason@intercom.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BIND 8.2 From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:24:09 +0000" References: <36F91FB9.EA61A2D4@tdx.co.uk> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:17:48 +0100 Message-ID: <23644.922382268@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > What is a good way to monitor a process, and > > restart if it dies? > > Probably to put a script run from the crontab that checks it say, every 5 > minutes then re-run's it if it's not running...? If it is specifically BIND 8.x we're talking about, why not use the method that Paul Vixie uses? I figure it's good enough for me if it works for him. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To: Jared Mauch cc: Jared Mauch , bind-workers@isc.org, Matt Holtz Subject: Re: 8.2 rel core Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:35:55 -0800 From: Paul A Vixie > This was on our main production server... I hastily loaded > it too soon. because bind does not gracefully deal with running out of virtual memory, we run all of our production servers under this script, called keep-running: #!/bin/sh trap "" 1 sleep 60 while :; do /usr/sbin/named -f >> /var/log/named 2>&1 < /dev/null /usr/ucb/logger -p emerg "named restart" sleep 65 done exit > now if only people could run their nameservers... /sigh actually we've been running this locally on all of our production machines for weeks. (and this bug can't affect nonrecursive servers like the roots). > Will test with this patch. thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 25 9:44:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mars.comsys.com (mars.sopris.net [209.38.22.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A1D14CCD for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:44:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@comsys.com) Received: from comsys.com (gws36.sopris.net [204.56.35.36]) by mars.comsys.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA19745 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:48:45 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <36FA75ED.2592129D@comsys.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:44:13 -0700 From: Alex Huppenthal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: BSD Radius and PM3s References: <199903232351.SAA01607@ns1.cioe.com> <005501be7597$91a56640$174f06d1@hamsterville.ultranet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Two questions. Our situation --------------- We have several PM3 concentrators from Lucent / Livingston In one location we get great throughput and in another we get poor throughput. The POP where we have great throughput is actually 30 miles from the server we're downloading from. The PM3 collocated with the server has poor throughput. In the CO associated with the better throughput we go through a Nortel switch, in the poorer one an Ericsson switch.. Both are downloading from the same BSD 3.1 system. Is anyone using a good digital 56KB port concentrator, like the PM3? Or having good/bad luck with PM3s? Any experiences monitoring FreeBSD Radius for PM3 service quality? Our solution ------------- We're parsing the Radius database on a FreeBSD 3.1 system. Our goal is to load the Radius output from the FreeBSD system into an SQL database. I've looked at Cistron Radius and Merit, and don't see any clear interface to the logfiles. Eventually, we'll post logfile -> MySQL code and SQL parser. Pointers to logfile parsers might be a start. A really really good 56KB port concentrator/modem bank would be even more fun.. :) -Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 25 11:18: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from rossel.saarnet.de (rossel.saarnet.de [145.253.240.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673B114C2D for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:17:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doehrm@aubi.de) Received: from igate.aubi.de (root@igate.aubi.de [145.253.242.249]) by rossel.saarnet.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA15060; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:22:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from cisco.aubi.de (soraya.aubi.de [170.56.121.252]) by igate.aubi.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA22214; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:12:05 +0100 Received: from exchange.aubi.de (EXCHANGE.aubi.de [170.56.121.91]) by cisco.aubi.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA17945; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:30:48 +0100 (CET) Received: by EXCHANGE.aubi.de with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:16:27 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Markus_D=F6hr?= To: "'ryanm@accn.org'" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Netscape Enterprise Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:16:26 +0100 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Sorry if this is off topic but I have a question I cannot find an > answer for on netscape's site go figure. Where are the patches for=20 > versions of Enterprise server?? ftp.netscape.com produces nothing > for Enterprise server and there help is worthless. If anyone can > give me a link/ftp site anything I would appreciate it. Netscape Enterprise is _not_ ported to FreeBSD. You can try FastTrack = for Linux, but I'd prefer apache :-) -- Markus Doehr =20 IT Admin =20 AUBI Baubeschl=E4ge GmbH =20 Tel.: +49 6503 917 152 =20 Fax : +49 6503 917 190 =20 e-Mail: doehrm@aubi.de MD1139-RIPE =20 ************************* =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ryanm [mailto:ryanm@accn.org] > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 7:20 PM > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Netscape Enterprise=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Ryan >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 25 23:48: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dol.net (mail.dol.net [204.183.91.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 929F3150A2 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:47:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eric@dol.net) X-Sender: eric@mail.dol.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: eric@dol.net Subject: re frontpage / 3.1 / Zeus Message-Id: <19990326074709.929F3150A2@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 23:47:09 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I see there is ms front page port but it seems integrated with appache. We are running Zeus web server / freebsd v 3.1 and wanted to install the front page extensions on the machine. Has anyone else used Zeus / Freebsd and FP? thanks eric Delaware Online!.........The SMART Choice! With 56K V.90 & X2 & Flex Modems Phone : 302-762-0375 Fax: 302-762-3462 Failure is NOT an option... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 26 3:28:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from noc.demon.net (server.noc.demon.net [193.195.224.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9CDC14DD3 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 03:28:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fanf@demon.net) Received: by noc.demon.net; id LAA18128; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:27:59 GMT Received: from fanf.noc.demon.net(195.11.55.83) by inside.noc.demon.net via smap (3.2) id xmad17982; Fri, 26 Mar 99 11:27:36 GMT Received: from fanf by fanf.noc.demon.net with local (Exim 1.73 #2) id 10QUlz-0003gA-00; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:27:35 +0000 To: isp@freebsd.org From: Tony Finch Cc: Tony Finch Subject: Re: re frontpage / 3.1 / Zeus In-Reply-To: <19990326074709.929F3150A2@hub.freebsd.org> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:27:35 +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org eric@dol.net wrote: > >I see there is ms front page port but it seems integrated with >appache. We are running Zeus web server / freebsd v 3.1 and wanted >to install the front page extensions on the machine. Has anyone >else used Zeus / Freebsd and FP? Zeus uses the same FrontPage extensions as Apache (the main functionality is in server-independent CGIs) but it has its own installer. The Zeus documentation should cover it. Tony. -- f.a.n.finch dot@dotat.at fanf@demon.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 26 6: 5:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from commnet.accn.org (commnet.accn.org [207.73.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62CA153D4 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:05:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ryanm@accn.org) Received: from accn.org (rocky.accn.org [207.73.64.8]) by commnet.accn.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01993 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:05:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36FB939F.5352BAA4@accn.org> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:03:11 -0500 From: ryanm Reply-To: ryanm@accn.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Symbolic Links to Servers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello everyone I am using FreeBSD 3.1 and wondering if a symbolic link to an often hit server makes any performance differences?? for upgradeability I always do the same thing: /usr/local/etc/qpopper-2.53 # ACTUAL DAEMON /usr/local/etc/qpopper -> /usr/local/etc/qpopper-2.53 that way I can copy over qpopper to /usr/local/etc change the link and not muck with inetd except for restarting it. Does anyone know what type of performance penalties could come from this?? Thanks for any information anyone can provide me with. Ryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 26 6:51:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 689F615508 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:51:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA05682; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:51:38 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:51:38 -0600 (CST) From: Steve Price To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Cc: hamellr@dsinw.com Subject: Need help fine-tuning a web server (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone have any experience setting up a heavily-loaded web server box that can spare a few answers to this gentleman's questions? Or have any pointers to docs that might help? Thanks. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 22:30:06 -0800 (PST) From: unknown@riverstyx.net To: Steve Price Cc: rick hamell , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars I want to run a webserver that's going to probably be serving about 400 requests simultaneously on average, but it may spike up to 900 at times. Bandwidth-wise, it'll be moving about 600+k/sec on a PII-450 w/384 megs RAM. There'll be a lot of CGI involved, as well as a MySQL database that's being used for authentication as well as keeping track of a bunch of user accounting data. I tried FreeBSD initially, but it didn't last 10 minutes before coming down. I searched on the web and checked links from the FreeBSD homepage, as well as a couple other FreeBSD related pages that I found, but found no information on tuning FreeBSD machines. The HOWTOs for FreeBSD are minimal. There aren't many users out there with easily accessible information on what they've done to make it work. What do I need to do to make it work? Increase the number of tasks? Can I just use ulimit, or do I need to change stuff in the kernel? I noticed some stuff in there limiting the per-user tasks to 64, but that didn't look reasonable, and it looked like it got ignored anyway, so I don't know what bearing that had on the system. How can I increase the maximum number of file descriptors/inodes? Are there any changes I should make to the memory management stuff, and if so where and how? What else needs to be done to a FreeBSD machine to allow it to handle heavy load? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 26 7: 5:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from carme.eclipse.net.uk (carme.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B2D1559A for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:05:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stuart@eclipse.net.uk) Received: from eclipse.net.uk (elara.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.31]) by carme.eclipse.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21924; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:04:40 GMT Message-ID: <36FBA273.F6108F6B@eclipse.net.uk> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:06:27 +0000 From: Stuart Henderson Organization: Eclipse Networking Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Price Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, hamellr@dsinw.com Subject: Re: Need help fine-tuning a web server (fwd) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Steve Price wrote: > > Anyone have any experience setting up a heavily-loaded web > server box that can spare a few answers to this gentleman's > questions? Or have any pointers to docs that might help? > Thanks. tweaks to investigate: kernel MAXUSERS NMBCLUSTERS CHILD_MAX OPEN_MAX (look through LINT for info, also check for anything else that might apply) runtime sysctl -w kern.somaxconn apache HARD_SERVER_LIMIT also it can help to compile with -m486 -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 This was from http://www.apache.org.uk/docs/misc/perf-bsd44.html There may be some other tips at http://squid.nlanr.net/ as high performance squids need similar tweaking for connection handling. See how much memory is used by the httpd processes and try hard to avoid swapping. Maybe if most of the heavy load is for static pages not dynamic then frontend it with a squid accelerator. Also maybe a good idea to put the database on a separate server (particularly if it's for authentication, so it can be kept more secure), preferably with a private ethernet between the two (easiest way is to add an extra fxp0 to each and wire direct between them, these network cards should autodetect so you shouldn't need a x-over lead). HTH Stuart To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 26 7:13:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from heaven.gigo.com (ppp.gigo.com [207.173.132.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21CF514E95 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:13:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfesler@gigo.com) Received: from heaven.gigo.com (heaven.gigo.com [207.173.133.57]) by heaven.gigo.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D61EA74B; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:13:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:13:05 -0800 (PST) From: To: Stuart Henderson Cc: Steve Price , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, hamellr@dsinw.com Subject: Re: Need help fine-tuning a web server (fwd) In-Reply-To: <36FBA273.F6108F6B@eclipse.net.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Anyone have any experience setting up a heavily-loaded web > > server box that can spare a few answers to this gentleman's Additionally, for the database: if it is a *heavilly used* database CGI application, then see about making the CGI persistant. - Perl apps can be _tremendously_ helped with mod_perl http://perl.apache.org . - Simple C code, can be turned into Apache modules. More complex CGI, can possibly benefit from "fastcgi" which keeps any CGI app persistant, and tunnels data from the web server to the CGI. Persistance will buy you lots of things: - No load/exec time of the CGI - No "fork" penalty as the httpd splits off to run the cgi - Database handles don't have to be reopened constantly Now, if most of your content is static, the above won't buy you much and possibly hurt (memory-wise) ;-). The previous comment of a proxy front end is especially useful - it will know the difference between static content and dynamic content, and only invoke use of the heavier httpd's as needed. One thing to keep in mind: Every case is different :-). A critical analysis of the true needs is crucial to finding the right solution. This is independent of the choice of OS. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 26 7:18:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 477D014C08 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:18:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from mail2.siemens.de (mail2.siemens.de [139.25.208.14]) by david.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05486 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:18:46 +0100 (MET) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (curry.mchp.siemens.de [146.180.31.23]) by mail2.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02435 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:18:30 +0100 (MET) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA65290 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:18:31 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:18:29 +0100 From: Andre Albsmeier To: Stuart Henderson Cc: Steve Price , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, hamellr@dsinw.com Subject: Re: Need help fine-tuning a web server (fwd) Message-ID: <19990326161829.A17488@internal> References: <36FBA273.F6108F6B@eclipse.net.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <36FBA273.F6108F6B@eclipse.net.uk>; from Stuart Henderson on Fri, Mar 26, 1999 at 03:06:27PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 26-Mar-1999 at 15:06:27 +0000, Stuart Henderson wrote: > Steve Price wrote: > > > > Anyone have any experience setting up a heavily-loaded web > > server box that can spare a few answers to this gentleman's > > questions? Or have any pointers to docs that might help? > > Thanks. > > tweaks to investigate: > > kernel > MAXUSERS > NMBCLUSTERS > CHILD_MAX > OPEN_MAX > (look through LINT for info, also check for anything > else that might apply) > runtime > sysctl -w kern.somaxconn > apache > HARD_SERVER_LIMIT > > also it can help to compile with -m486 -fexpensive-optimizations > -fomit-frame-pointer -O2 Does -m486 also help on Pentium or Pentium II systems ? -Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 26 7:59: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from carme.eclipse.net.uk (carme.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB4E14C3F for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:58:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stuart@eclipse.net.uk) Received: from eclipse.net.uk (elara.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.31]) by carme.eclipse.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26846; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:56:20 GMT Message-ID: <36FBAE8F.17384C3F@eclipse.net.uk> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:58:07 +0000 From: Stuart Henderson Organization: Eclipse Networking Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andre Albsmeier Cc: Steve Price , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, hamellr@dsinw.com Subject: Re: Need help fine-tuning a web server (fwd) References: <36FBA273.F6108F6B@eclipse.net.uk> <19990326161829.A17488@internal> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Does -m486 also help on Pentium or Pentium II systems ? Yes it does. If you don't include it then gcc will only use instructions that also work on 386's - enabling 486 optimizations will allow the use of some extra opcodes that weren't available for 386's that can speed up some operations. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 26 8:18: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from wolf.com (ns1.wolf.com [207.137.58.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F269C15664; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:18:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@wolf.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by wolf.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA01215; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:19:27 -0800 Message-ID: <19990326081926.A1101@ns.wolf.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:19:26 -0800 From: dan@wolf.com To: Steve Price , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: hamellr@dsinw.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Need help fine-tuning a web server (fwd) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Steve Price on Fri, Mar 26, 1999 at 08:51:38AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I want to run a webserver that's going to probably be serving about 400 > requests simultaneously on average, but it may spike up to 900 at times. > Bandwidth-wise, it'll be moving about 600+k/sec on a PII-450 w/384 megs > RAM. There'll be a lot of CGI involved, as well as a MySQL database that's > being used for authentication as well as keeping track of a bunch of user > accounting data. I tried FreeBSD initially, but it didn't last 10 minutes > before coming down. I'll offer some advice based upon my experiences, but I've got to point out that I'm *not* veryu familiar with the kernel internals, so some of my advice might be a bit off. If so, I'm sure folks with more experience will correct my (be gentle, please!). Your config is a little light in RAM. I run a web server that averages about 250 connections, but peaks at a little over 400. I've got 256 MB RAM and have 256 MB swap configured. When I'm running 250 connections, I've usually got 20 - 50 MB of swap in use (and that's a very bad thing for a web server). To support 400 connections, I'd strongly recommend going to 512 MB RAM. And be aware that when your load hits those 900 connection peaks, you are going to be heavily into your swap space (which implies that you need to configure *plenty* of swap). > I searched on the web and checked links from the FreeBSD homepage, as well > as a couple other FreeBSD related pages that I found, but found no > information on tuning FreeBSD machines. The HOWTOs for FreeBSD are > minimal. There aren't many users out there with easily accessible > information on what they've done to make it work. > > What do I need to do to make it work? Increase the number of tasks? Can I > just use ulimit, or do I need to change stuff in the kernel? I noticed > some stuff in there limiting the per-user tasks to 64, but that didn't > look reasonable, and it looked like it got ignored anyway, so I don't know > what bearing that had on the system. How can I increase the maximum > number of file descriptors/inodes? Are there any changes I should make to > the memory management stuff, and if so where and how? What else needs to > be done to a FreeBSD machine to allow it to handle heavy load? The Apache pages at http://www.apache.org have some good useful info on tuning Apache. A search of the archives at http://www.freebsd.org will reveal a little bit of info on performance tuning, but not a lot. What I've done is compile a kernel with maxusers set to 64, and including "options CHILD_MAX=256" and "options OPEN_MAX=256" (this mihgt be somewhat misguided, but that's how I learn - by experimenting and shooting myself in the foot). I've modified /etc/login.conf to create a login class called "www". I've added "nobody" to this class. The characteristics I've defined for this class are: datasize-cur=128M stacksize-cur=64M memoryuse=128M memoryuse-cur=128M filesize=infinity maxproc=4096 maxproc-cur=2048 openfiles=4096 openfiles-cur=2048 Dan Mahoney dan@wolf.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 26 8:56:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gina.neland.dk (mail.neland.dk [194.255.12.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886141514C for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:56:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@neland.dk) Received: from gina (gina [192.168.0.14]) by gina.neland.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19127; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:55:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from root@neland.dk) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:55:51 +0100 (CET) From: Leif Neland To: Stuart Henderson Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Need help fine-tuning a web server (fwd) In-Reply-To: <36FBAE8F.17384C3F@eclipse.net.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > Does -m486 also help on Pentium or Pentium II systems ? > > Yes it does. If you don't include it then gcc will only use instructions > that also work on 386's - enabling 486 optimizations will allow the use > of some extra opcodes that weren't available for 386's that can speed up > some operations. Could this be put in a config/include file somewhere so it also gets used when making ports? Leif To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 26 9:45:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from rheingold.navi.net (pdx-pm-p005.navi.net [209.188.52.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301AB15077 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:45:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wcooley@nakedape.navi.net) Received: from localhost (wcooley@localhost) by rheingold.navi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA09282; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:45:00 -0800 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:44:59 -0800 (PST) From: "W. Reilly Cooley" X-Sender: wcooley@rheingold To: Stuart Henderson Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Need help fine-tuning a web server (fwd) In-Reply-To: <36FBAE8F.17384C3F@eclipse.net.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > Does -m486 also help on Pentium or Pentium II systems ? > > Yes it does. If you don't include it then gcc will only use instructions > that also work on 386's - enabling 486 optimizations will allow the use > of some extra opcodes that weren't available for 386's that can speed up > some operations. Does anyone consider the egcs or pgcc Pentium (and greater) optimizations stable enough for a production server? I ran my workstation last summer with fully (ridiculously?) PGCC-optimized C libraries and a few other parts, and had no problems, but that's isn't exactly "production", although for the little work it did it was up 24x7. Wil -- W. Reilly Cooley wcooley@nakedape.navi.net Naked Ape Consulting http://nakedape.navi.net Internet Meta-Resources: http://nakedape.navi.net/meta-res/ "All the Net you need to be a geek" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 26 10:24:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from noc.demon.net (server.noc.demon.net [193.195.224.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE061554B for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:24:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fanf@demon.net) Received: by noc.demon.net; id SAA11740; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:24:26 GMT Received: from fanf.noc.demon.net(195.11.55.83) by inside.noc.demon.net via smap (3.2) id xma011721; Fri, 26 Mar 99 18:24:23 GMT Received: from fanf by fanf.noc.demon.net with local (Exim 1.73 #2) id 10QbHL-00041Y-00; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:24:23 +0000 To: isp@freebsd.org From: Tony Finch Subject: Re: Need help fine-tuning a web server (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: <36FBA273.F6108F6B@eclipse.net.uk> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:24:23 +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org wrote: > >- Perl apps can be _tremendously_ helped with mod_perl > http://perl.apache.org . If you don't trust the perl enough to run it in the server (e.g. customer scripts on a shared server) you can improve exec time a lot by statically linking perl. >Now, if most of your content is static, the above won't buy you much and >possibly hurt (memory-wise) ;-). The previous comment of a proxy front >end is especially useful - it will know the difference between static >content and dynamic content, and only invoke use of the heavier httpd's as >needed. Yep. And with a bit of hacking you can use a reverse proxy to spread the load or even have special-purpose back-end servers. Tony. -- f.a.n.finch dot@dotat.at fanf@demon.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 26 11:36:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB17151AB for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:35:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA266234772; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:59:32 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:59:31 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: Leif Neland Cc: Stuart Henderson , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Need help fine-tuning a web server (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Leif Neland wrote: > Could this be put in a config/include file somewhere so it also gets used > when making ports? grep -e "CFLAGS" /etc/make.conf - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 26 12:12:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from web114.yahoomail.com (web114.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CD6D215149 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:12:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from holtor@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19990326201242.18659.rocketmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.191.59.1] by web114.yahoomail.com; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:12:42 PST Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:12:42 -0800 (PST) From: Holtor Subject: Help! Crashing Every 2 Days!! To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, my server seems to be crashing or what I think it is doing it crashing about every 2 days now. I get this in /var/log/messages: Mar 26 03:33:32 shell src/ircd[4486]: Server Ready Mar 26 04:22:52 shell /kernel: Copyright (c) 1992-1999 Mar 26 04:22:52 shell /kernel: Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 It just seems to have crashed, that ircd had nothing to do with it, but i'm starting to think its not crashing anymore. It can't be, anyone know what it could be? I'm not on console, its a colocated server so it makes it much tougher. I thought it was some kind of power problem or someone is reseting it at their NOC, but they have told me thats not the case. After it comes back online though, I see this message in /var/log/messages: Mar 26 04:22:53 shell /kernel: WARNING: / was not properly dismounted Now..when it crashes does it properly dismount / or no? I need any input i can get on this dreaded problem asap! Thanks, Holt _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 26 12:48:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from techpower.net (techpower.net [205.133.231.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5589B14FC0 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:48:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hometeam@techpower.net) Received: from localhost (hometeam@localhost) by techpower.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10500; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:52:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:52:25 -0500 (EST) From: hometeam To: Holtor Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Crashing Every 2 Days!! In-Reply-To: <19990326201242.18659.rocketmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It doesn't properly dismount when the system crashes or if power is turned off. Have you added anything new to the system That might be causing this ? I would Enable the kernel debugger. There is also a remote to debug the kernel allthough it non-standard. lookin link. good luck! Have a great weekend! --/The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system.\-- --/System Administrator support@techpower.net\-- On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Holtor wrote: > Hello, my server seems to be crashing or what I think > it is doing it crashing about every 2 days now. > I get this in /var/log/messages: > Mar 26 03:33:32 shell src/ircd[4486]: Server Ready > Mar 26 04:22:52 shell /kernel: Copyright (c) 1992-1999 > Mar 26 04:22:52 shell /kernel: Copyright (c) 1982, > 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 > It just seems to have crashed, that ircd had nothing to > do with it, but i'm starting to think its not crashing > anymore. It can't be, anyone know what it could be? > I'm not on console, its a colocated server so it makes > it much tougher. I thought it was some kind of power > problem or someone is reseting it at their NOC, but > they have told me thats not the case. After it > comes back online though, I see this message in > /var/log/messages: > Mar 26 04:22:53 shell /kernel: WARNING: / was not > properly dismounted > Now..when it crashes does it properly dismount / or > no? > I need any input i can get on this dreaded problem > asap! > > Thanks, > Holt > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 26 13:36:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F8714FBA for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:36:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA32138; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:36:04 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:36:04 -0600 (CST) From: Steve Price To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Cc: hamellr@dsinw.com Subject: Re: Need help fine-tuning a web server (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19990326081926.A1101@ns.wolf.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Many thanks for all the helpful responses. With all of your timely suggestions, the original poster well on his to having a kick-butt web server. :) Thanks, Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 26 15:47:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cs1.cityscope.net (cs1.cityscope.net [206.222.183.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7FC14E3A for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:47:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ingrid@cityscope.net) Received: from cityscope.net (194.cityscope.net [209.16.49.194]) by cs1.cityscope.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA01667 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:46:57 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <36FC1C9F.E796898@cityscope.net> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:47:43 -0600 From: Ingrid Kast Fuller Reply-To: ingrid@cityscope.net Organization: CityScope Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: hard drive - medium error Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We've encountered some medium errors and one of our hard drives has two blocks we can't fix or read. What is the correct commands to mark these blocks so we can work around them? This particular drive is a Quantum 4Gb UW SCSI. thanks. -- *********************************************************** Ingrid Kast Fuller (ingrid@cityscope.net) CityScope Computer Services Since 1984 CityScope Net (http://www.cityscope.net) 1(713)477-6161 109 West Southmore, Pasadena, TX 77502-1001 *********************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 27 8:16:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4DD1528F for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:16:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from mail2.siemens.de (mail2.siemens.de [139.25.208.14]) by david.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10435 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:16:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (curry.mchp.siemens.de [146.180.31.23]) by mail2.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01666 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:15:43 +0100 (MET) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA73379 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:15:44 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:15:40 +0100 From: Andre Albsmeier To: Stuart Henderson Cc: Andre Albsmeier , Steve Price , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, hamellr@dsinw.com Subject: Re: Need help fine-tuning a web server (fwd) Message-ID: <19990327171540.C21608@internal> References: <36FBA273.F6108F6B@eclipse.net.uk> <19990326161829.A17488@internal> <36FBAE8F.17384C3F@eclipse.net.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <36FBAE8F.17384C3F@eclipse.net.uk>; from Stuart Henderson on Fri, Mar 26, 1999 at 03:58:07PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 26-Mar-1999 at 15:58:07 +0000, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > Does -m486 also help on Pentium or Pentium II systems ? > > Yes it does. If you don't include it then gcc will only use instructions > that also work on 386's - enabling 486 optimizations will allow the use > of some extra opcodes that weren't available for 386's that can speed up > some operations. Hmm, let me quote from "man gcc": -m486 -mno-486 Control whether or not code is optimized for a 486 instead of an 386. Code generated for a 486 will run on a 386 and vice versa. "man gcc" says the m486 optimized code will run on a 386. But this would imply that these instructions are available on the 386 as well. I asked because I have heard that m486 optimization would slow things down on Pentium Processors... -Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 27 11: 2: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.intercom.com (mail.intercom.com [206.98.165.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68AD615388 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:02:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@intercom.com) Received: from mail.intercom.com (mail.intercom.com [206.98.165.10]) by mail.intercom.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA06868 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 14:01:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 14:01:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Jason J. Horton" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: SSH1/SSH2 oddity Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone had a problem with sshd from ports? One machine I have won't allow any users to login, except root. I went into /usr/ports, installed ssh1 first, then ssh2(for fallback to ssh1)... If I try to login with ssh2, root and standard users are allowed in, but if I use ssh1 or a PC/Mac ssh client, only root can get in, not standard users. I have checked all my config files, is there any known issue? -Jason J. Horton Senior Network & Systems Engineer Intercom Online Inc. 212.378.2202 | http://www.intercom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 27 13:45: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from xwin.nmhtech.com (xwin.nmhtech.com [208.138.46.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE74514D07; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:45:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nicole@xwin.nmhtech.com) Received: by xwin.nmhtech.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2059D2EE1A; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:44:42 -0800 (PST) Content-Length: 1818 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:44:42 -0800 (PST) From: Nicole Harrington To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Weird SCSI problem Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all I have a weird problem with a new system running 3.1 as described below. T= he problem is that apon bootup, it will hang at "waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle" This will happen with a boot floppy or with the OS installed (if I try eno= ugh it will work) and it mostly happens when I have increased the memory from 1= 28 Megs to 384Megs (3X128 Dimms)=20 Funny thing is it seems that if I want to install I can usually get it to work with only 128Megs of memory, and after I rebuild a kernel with MAXMEM = 384 Megs it will boot 60% of the time with the full amt of memory. The light on the SCSI card will go full bright after the 15 second countdow= n and sit there forever. Anyhelp would be greatly appreciated. SYSTEM: From memory.. It's at work :< ASUS P5A ATX MB=20 AMD k6/2-400 processor ADAPTEC 2940U2W 6 IBM LVD Hard Drives S3 video card Intel 10/100 pro EThernet 1X or 3X 128 Meg 80ns Dimms Floppy |\ __ /| (`\ =20 | o_o |__ ) ) =20 // \\ =20 nicole@nmhtech.com | http://www.webweaver.net/ webmistress@dangermouse.org | http://www.dangermouse.org -------------------------(((---(((----------------------- =20 - Powered by Coka Cola and FreeBSD - - Stong enough for a man - But made for a Woman - =20 - I'm not ADD - I'm just Multithreaded - - Microsoft: What bug would you like today? - ---------------------------------------------------------- SYSADMIN(1) Sysadmin is the keeper of all things computer, is generally harangued, must= be=20 supplied with caffeine, chocolate, and sushi in order to function=20 properly,=20 cannot be exposed to direct sunlight, and must not be allowed to have a lif= e. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 27 14:15:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DCBE151D8 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 14:15:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 4104 invoked by uid 1001); 27 Mar 1999 22:14:54 +0000 (GMT) To: nicole@nmhtech.com Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Weird SCSI problem From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:44:42 -0800 (PST)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 23:14:54 +0100 Message-ID: <4102.922572894@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have a weird problem with a new system running 3.1 as described below. The > problem is that apon bootup, it will hang at "waiting 15 seconds for SCSI > devices to settle" > This will happen with a boot floppy or with the OS installed (if I try enough > it will work) and it mostly happens when I have increased the memory from 128 > Megs to 384Megs (3X128 Dimms) > Funny thing is it seems that if I want to install I can usually get it to > work with only 128Megs of memory, and after I rebuild a kernel with MAXMEM 384 > Megs it will boot 60% of the time with the full amt of memory. > > The light on the SCSI card will go full bright after the 15 second countdown > and sit there forever. If the systems boots okay from a hard reset, but (sometimes) hangs when booted with "shutdown -r", you've hit a known problem. There's been quite a bit of discussion about this on the freebsd-scsi list; search for "Boot-time scsi probe problem" in the list archives. A possible patch has been published. See the enclosed message for info. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199903222252.PAA69062@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: Boot-time scsi probe problem To: bsdscsi@shadows.aeon.net (mika ruohotie) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:52:14 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG mika ruohotie wrote... > > Justin has reproduced the problem (with a lot of help from Tor Egge) and > > has a PCI bus trace showing the problem. > > > > He said that there may be a bug in the 7890 that causes it to hang in > > certain circumstances; he has mailed Adaptec asking for information. > > > > Since he's not in town at the moment, I wouldn't expect any response from > > him on this for a few days. > > question, what is the status for this now? > > any patches i could try? i mean, like, i'm ready to try anything > at the moment, but linux, to solve this thing... Tor Egge came up with a work-around that seems to solve the problem most of the time. It isn't a fix. As far as I know, Justin has not heard back from Adaptec yet. Justin said that he is planning on checking in Tor's work-around until he can get a real fix. He said he would try to check it in later on tonight, but that may or may not happen, since he is busy. > i have several machines i can use for testing. so far i've twiddled > with timings and stuff, the code is from last week, but as far as i > can tell (i read "all" the major lists including cvs-all) nothing > has been committed into the tree... Well, here's Tor's patch. I don't think he'll mind if I give it out: http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~ken/tor.adaptec_patch.031799 I upgraded a number of machines this weekend, and I had the same hang problem on a system with an onboard 7890. I fixed it with the above patch. Send some mail to the list once you try the patch and let people know whether it works for you or not. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 27 15:21: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from xwin.nmhtech.com (xwin.nmhtech.com [208.138.46.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B824014E18; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 15:21:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nicole@xwin.nmhtech.com) Received: by xwin.nmhtech.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5D1AD2EE1A; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 15:20:42 -0800 (PST) Content-Length: 4460 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4102.922572894@verdi.nethelp.no> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 15:20:42 -0800 (PST) From: Nicole Harrington To: sthaug@nethelp.no Subject: Re: Weird SCSI problem Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 27-Mar-99 My Secret Spies Reported That sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: >> I have a weird problem with a new system running 3.1 as described below= . >> The >> problem is that apon bootup, it will hang at "waiting 15 seconds for SCS= I >> devices to settle" >> This will happen with a boot floppy or with the OS installed (if I try >> enough >> it will work) and it mostly happens when I have increased the memory fro= m >> 128 >> Megs to 384Megs (3X128 Dimms)=20 >> Funny thing is it seems that if I want to install I can usually get it = to >> work with only 128Megs of memory, and after I rebuild a kernel with MAXM= EM >> 384 >> Megs it will boot 60% of the time with the full amt of memory. >>=20 >> The light on the SCSI card will go full bright after the 15 second count= down >> and sit there forever. >=20 > If the systems boots okay from a hard reset, but (sometimes) hangs > when booted with "shutdown -r", you've hit a known problem. There's > been quite a bit of discussion about this on the freebsd-scsi list; > search for "Boot-time scsi probe problem" in the list archives. >=20 > A possible patch has been published. See the enclosed message for info. >=20 Great, Thanks I will try it. However it doesn't really care if it is a res= et, a shutdown or a cold boot :< But maybe this will work anyway. Nicole > Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: "Kenneth D. Merry" > Message-Id: <199903222252.PAA69062@panzer.plutotech.com> > Subject: Re: Boot-time scsi probe problem > To: bsdscsi@shadows.aeon.net (mika ruohotie) > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 15:52:14 -0700 (MST) > Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG >=20 > mika ruohotie wrote... >> > Justin has reproduced the problem (with a lot of help from Tor Egge) a= nd >> > has a PCI bus trace showing the problem. >> >=20 >> > He said that there may be a bug in the 7890 that causes it to hang in >> > certain circumstances; he has mailed Adaptec asking for information. >> >=20 >> > Since he's not in town at the moment, I wouldn't expect any response f= rom >> > him on this for a few days. >>=20 >> question, what is the status for this now? >>=20 >> any patches i could try? i mean, like, i'm ready to try anything >> at the moment, but linux, to solve this thing... >=20 > Tor Egge came up with a work-around that seems to solve the problem most = of > the time. It isn't a fix. As far as I know, Justin has not heard back > from Adaptec yet. >=20 > Justin said that he is planning on checking in Tor's work-around until he > can get a real fix. He said he would try to check it in later on tonight= , > but that may or may not happen, since he is busy. >=20 >> i have several machines i can use for testing. so far i've twiddled >> with timings and stuff, the code is from last week, but as far as i >> can tell (i read "all" the major lists including cvs-all) nothing >> has been committed into the tree... >=20 > Well, here's Tor's patch. I don't think he'll mind if I give it out: >=20 > http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~ken/tor.adaptec_patch.031799 >=20 > I upgraded a number of machines this weekend, and I had the same hang > problem on a system with an onboard 7890. I fixed it with the above patc= h. >=20 > Send some mail to the list once you try the patch and let people know > whether it works for you or not. >=20 > Ken > --=20 > Kenneth Merry > ken@plutotech.com >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message |\ __ /| (`\ =20 | o_o |__ ) ) =20 // \\ =20 nicole@nmhtech.com | http://www.webweaver.net/ webmistress@dangermouse.org | http://www.dangermouse.org -------------------------(((---(((----------------------- =20 - Powered by Coka Cola and FreeBSD - - Stong enough for a man - But made for a Woman - =20 - I'm not ADD - I'm just Multithreaded - - Microsoft: What bug would you like today? - ---------------------------------------------------------- SYSADMIN(1) Sysadmin is the keeper of all things computer, is generally harangued, must= be=20 supplied with caffeine, chocolate, and sushi in order to function=20 properly,=20 cannot be exposed to direct sunlight, and must not be allowed to have a lif= e. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 27 16:44:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EBE314F6A for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 16:44:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA16708; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 10:14:20 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id KAA82802; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 10:14:18 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19990328101417.M53452@lemis.com> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 10:14:17 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: ryanm@accn.org, "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Symbolic Links to Servers References: <36FB939F.5352BAA4@accn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <36FB939F.5352BAA4@accn.org>; from ryanm on Fri, Mar 26, 1999 at 09:03:11AM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 26 March 1999 at 9:03:11 -0500, ryanm wrote: > Hello everyone I am using FreeBSD 3.1 and wondering if a symbolic > link to an often hit server makes any performance differences?? > for upgradeability I always do the same thing: > > /usr/local/etc/qpopper-2.53 # ACTUAL DAEMON > /usr/local/etc/qpopper -> /usr/local/etc/qpopper-2.53 > > that way I can copy over qpopper to /usr/local/etc change > the link and not muck with inetd except for restarting it. > Does anyone know what type of performance penalties could > come from this?? Thanks for any information anyone can > provide me with. I'm not sure what difference you're expecting here. But you'll get a fractional performance impact with a symlink as compared with a hard link: it needs to open and read the link, then open and execute the file to which it's linked. Why not use a hard link? Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 27 17: 8:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FD214D26 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:08:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA16840; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 10:38:07 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id KAA06689; Sun, 28 Mar 1999 10:38:06 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19990328103806.P53452@lemis.com> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 10:38:06 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: hometeam , Holtor Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help! Crashing Every 2 Days!! References: <19990326201242.18659.rocketmail@web114.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from hometeam on Fri, Mar 26, 1999 at 03:52:25PM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] On Friday, 26 March 1999 at 15:52:25 -0500, hometeam wrote: > On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, Holtor wrote: > >> Hello, my server seems to be crashing or what I think >> it is doing it crashing about every 2 days now. >> I get this in /var/log/messages: >> Mar 26 03:33:32 shell src/ircd[4486]: Server Ready >> Mar 26 04:22:52 shell /kernel: Copyright (c) 1992-1999 >> Mar 26 04:22:52 shell /kernel: Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 You should be getting more than that. >> It just seems to have crashed, that ircd had nothing to >> do with it, but i'm starting to think its not crashing >> anymore. It can't be, anyone know what it could be? >> I'm not on console, its a colocated server so it makes >> it much tougher. I thought it was some kind of power >> problem or someone is reseting it at their NOC, but >> they have told me thats not the case. After it >> comes back online though, I see this message in >> /var/log/messages: >> Mar 26 04:22:53 shell /kernel: WARNING: / was not properly dismounted >> >> Now..when it crashes does it properly dismount / or no? No, it doesn't. But that's the least of your problems. >> I need any input i can get on this dreaded problem >> asap! > > It doesn't properly dismount when the system crashes or if power is > turned off. > Have you added anything new to the system That might be causing this ? > > I would Enable the kernel debugger. > There is also a remote to debug the kernel allthough it non-standard. It's better to enable dumping as described in the handbook. You need a debug kernel to make any sense of it, however. >> Do You Yahoo!? No. You'll have to reply from some other address. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 27 20:29: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cs1.cityscope.net (cs1.cityscope.net [206.222.183.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD40114D66; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 20:29:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ingrid@cityscope.net) Received: from cityscope.net (194.cityscope.net [209.16.49.194]) by cs1.cityscope.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA27945; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:28:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <36FDB02B.6ACA06FF@cityscope.net> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:29:31 -0600 From: Ingrid Kast Fuller Reply-To: ingrid@cityscope.net Organization: CityScope Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: 128K TA - FreeBSD support Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This person wants to know if.... (I'm just relaying question to group) can you tell me if freebsd supports the sporster 128k ta? thanks never@netropolis.net -- *********************************************************** Ingrid Kast Fuller (ingrid@cityscope.net) CityScope Computer Services Since 1984 CityScope Net (http://www.cityscope.net) 1(713)477-6161 109 West Southmore, Pasadena, TX 77502-1001 *********************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message