From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 20 13:18:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from jazz.seychelles.net (jazz.seychelles.net [209.25.29.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E6315049 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:18:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from muditha@seychelles.net) Received: from muditha.seychelles.net ([209.25.29.11]) by jazz.seychelles.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA08518 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:05:32 +0400 (SCT) (envelope-from muditha@seychelles.net) Message-ID: <376D4B1C.C4964A31@seychelles.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:12:12 +0400 From: Muditha Gunatilake Reply-To: muditha@seychelles.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Router question X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I am looking for a single IP router to connect to my switch on the main ISP lan so that I connect my customer networks via leased-lines. I want a router which can hadle about 12 different LANS which means I want it to have 12 ports to connect the leased-line modems. To save the number of IP addresses I want it to be single IP rotuer and on the customer end I will setup another single IP router ( connected to my router at the ISP...customer router could be a freebsd box running NAT). The rotuer (gateway) on the customer end will have another on of my IP addresses and also non-routable IP on its network card. The customer gateway and my router will need have 4wire & 2 wire lease-lines upto 64Kbps( 4 wire) depending on the customer needs connected by leased-line modems. Any help and recommendations this will be appreciated. ( ISP-switch--router-modem----LL---modem--NAT box---LAN) Thanx -- -- --------------------- Muditha Gunatilake Atlas Seychelles Ltd Phone:304060 email: muditha@seychelles.net mbh3gpa@afs.mcc.ac.uk muditha@creole.seychelles.net :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 20 13:38:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.go2france.com (go2france.com [209.51.193.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B269E14D6B for ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 13:37:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lconrad@Go2France.com) Received: from superviseur [62.161.63.210] by mail.go2france.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.03) id ACDF59902A2; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 15:11:27 EDT Message-Id: <4.2.0.56.19990620222021.00ae7ca0@go2france.com> X-Sender: lconrad@go2france.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.56 (Beta) Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:36:25 +0200 To: muditha@seychelles.net From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: Router question Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <376D4B1C.C4964A31@seychelles.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_23070113==_.ALT" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=====================_23070113==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >I am looking for a single IP router to connect to my switch on the main >ISP lan so that I connect my customer networks via leased-lines. I want >a router which can hadle about 12 different LANS which means I want it >to have 12 ports to connect the leased-line modems. If the leased line modems are syncrhonous, then you don't have a ton of choices, as I recently found out. www.etinc.com has new 4-port sync PCI board, it can go multi-megabit per port (I haven't found any cheaper, mutliport sync wan that are low-speed only), and can have up to 5 boards/PC, 20 sync WAN ports. And ET apparently prefers FreeBSD as a networking OS, but the do have Linux drivers. $325/port list price, but if you buy 3 you can probably wangle for VAR/reseller discount. For the customer premises FreeBSD router, ET has old 1-port ISA board, which is just fine. If you have to connect to Cisco, then ET has special "Cisco-HDLC" option. The Asus P2B-F mobo has onboard scsi, 5 PCI slots plus AGP slot (ie, video doesn't require a PCI slot). A Pentium II/350 is probably the best price point now and plenty of power to drive 12 serial WAN ports at 256 kbits/sec each, plus maybe some ipfilter-ing and ipnat-ting. Len ========================== >To save the number of IP addresses I want it to be single IP rotuer and >on the customer end I will setup another single IP router ( connected to >my router at the ISP...customer router could be a freebsd box running >NAT). The rotuer (gateway) on the customer end will have another on of >my IP addresses and also non-routable IP on its network card. The >customer gateway and my router will need have 4wire & 2 wire lease-lines >upto 64Kbps( 4 wire) depending on the customer needs connected by >leased-line modems. > >Any help and recommendations this will be appreciated. > >( ISP-switch--router-modem----LL---modem--NAT box---LAN) > >Thanx >-- >-- >--------------------- > Muditha Gunatilake > Atlas Seychelles Ltd > > Phone:304060 > email: muditha@seychelles.net > mbh3gpa@afs.mcc.ac.uk > muditha@creole.seychelles.net > :-) > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message --=====================_23070113==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
I am looking for a single IP router to connect to my switch on the main
ISP lan so that I connect my customer networks via leased-lines. I want
a router which can hadle about 12 different LANS which means I want it
to have 12 ports to connect the leased-line modems.

If the leased line modems are syncrhonous, then you don't have a ton of choices, as I recently found out.  www.etinc.com has new 4-port sync PCI board, it can go multi-megabit per port (I haven't found any cheaper, mutliport sync wan that are low-speed only), and can have up to 5 boards/PC, 20 sync WAN ports.  And ET apparently prefers FreeBSD as a networking OS, but the do have Linux drivers.   $325/port list price, but if you buy 3 you can probably wangle for VAR/reseller discount.

For the customer premises FreeBSD router, ET has old 1-port ISA board, which is just fine.  If you have to connect to Cisco, then ET has special "Cisco-HDLC" option.

The Asus P2B-F mobo has onboard scsi, 5 PCI slots plus AGP slot (ie, video doesn't require a PCI slot).  A Pentium II/350 is probably the best price point now and plenty of power to drive 12 serial WAN ports at 256 kbits/sec each, plus maybe some ipfilter-ing and ipnat-ting.

Len

==========================

To save the number of IP addresses I want it to be single IP rotuer and
on the customer end I will setup another single IP router ( connected to
my router at the ISP...customer router could be a freebsd box running
NAT).  The rotuer (gateway) on the customer end will have another on of
my IP addresses and also non-routable IP on its network card. The
customer gateway and my router will need have 4wire & 2 wire lease-lines
upto 64Kbps( 4 wire)  depending on the customer needs connected by
leased-line modems.

Any help and recommendations this will be appreciated.

( ISP-switch--router-modem----LL---modem--NAT box---LAN)

Thanx
--
--
---------------------
 Muditha Gunatilake
 Atlas Seychelles Ltd

 Phone:304060
 email: muditha@seychelles.net
        mbh3gpa@afs.mcc.ac.uk
        muditha@creole.seychelles.net
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--=====================_23070113==_.ALT-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 20 18:53:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mu.egroups.com (mu.egroups.com [207.138.41.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 409A4151EB for ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 18:53:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sams@virtualtek.com) Received: from [10.1.1.19] by mu.egroups.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 1999 02:53:37 -0000 X-Mailer: www.eGroups.com Message Poster MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <7kk5ut$sun4@eGroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 01:53:33 -0000 From: sams@virtualtek.com Subject: web based groupware To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi everyone, We offer a solution for ISP's who may want to integrate web based groupware (email, bulletin board, calendar and address book), onto their site as a value added feature for their subscribers. Thanks, Sam Sim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 21 14: 6:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from amber.eaznet.com (amber.eaznet.com [216.19.20.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89FE814CEE for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:06:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eddie@eaznet.com) Received: from eaznet.com (admin.eaznet.com [216.19.20.16]) by amber.eaznet.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA21198 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:08:45 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <376EA95D.43F85EDB@eaznet.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:06:37 -0700 From: Eddie - EAZNet Internet Services Reply-To: eddie@eaznet.com Organization: EAZNet Internet Services, Safford, AZ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD ISP Mailing List Subject: Re: multichannel SCSI Controllers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks for the help! I'll do some checking around... Eddie Matthew Jacob wrote: > You can also try the Qlogic 1240- that's a dual channel UWSCSI. The NCR > 53c876 is a dual channel controller that I believe works. The Adaptec > 39XX boards are two channel. The Adaptecs are probably the easiest to > find. > > On Fri, 18 Jun 1999, Eddie - EAZNet Internet Services wrote: > > > I'm looking for a 2-channel UWSCSI or U2 controller for a Proxy server > > running FreeBSD. It does not have to be a RAID controller. Any > > suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Eddie Fry > > eddie@eaznet.com > > EAZNet Internet Services > > 220 West 7th Street > > Safford, AZ 85546 > > (520) 348-0292 > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > -- Eddie Fry eddie@eaznet.com EAZNet Internet Services 220 West 7th Street Safford, AZ 85546 (520) 348-0292 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 21 15:33:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from goa.stepnet.com (goa.stepnet.com [206.14.120.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D48D914CA1 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:33:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ping@stepnet.com) Received: (from ping@localhost) by goa.stepnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01961 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:33:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ping) From: Ping Mai Message-Id: <199906212233.PAA01961@goa.stepnet.com> Subject: modem recommendation To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:33:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL49 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I need to setup a dialup server and am looking to buy a few modems, external. I am going to use a cyclade 8 port isa card. Can someone recommand a good buy? Thanks in advance, ping ------------------------------------------------------------ Ping Mai ping@stepnet.com ------------------------------------------------------------ Work keeps away three great evils: boredom, vice, and need. - Voltaire To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 21 18:50:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix (phoenix.aye.net [206.185.8.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BB0E214CC3 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:50:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barrett@phoenix.aye.net) Received: (qmail 4274 invoked by uid 1000); 22 Jun 1999 01:49:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Jun 1999 01:49:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:49:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Barrett Richardson To: Ping Mai Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: modem recommendation In-Reply-To: <199906212233.PAA01961@goa.stepnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My all time favorite is the Hayes Accura. The one I had was a 14.4 but there are 56k versions of the same now (unless hayes is gone now). It was the only modem I ever saw that worked flawlessly on every OS I put it on. No special drivers, no 27 character init strings, it just worked. It was, however, pretty boring as it had no bells and whistles. - Barrett On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, Ping Mai wrote: > Hi, > > I need to setup a dialup server and am looking to buy > a few modems, external. I am going to use a cyclade > 8 port isa card. Can someone recommand a good buy? > > Thanks in advance, > ping > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Ping Mai > ping@stepnet.com > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Work keeps away three great evils: boredom, vice, and need. > - Voltaire > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 21 18:57:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix (phoenix.aye.net [206.185.8.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 829FA14E3B for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:57:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barrett@phoenix.aye.net) Received: (qmail 5903 invoked by uid 1000); 22 Jun 1999 01:55:58 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Jun 1999 01:55:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:55:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Barrett Richardson To: Eddie - EAZNet Internet Services Cc: FreeBSD ISP Mailing List Subject: Re: multichannel SCSI Controllers In-Reply-To: <376EA95D.43F85EDB@eaznet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I alway go out of my way to find TYAN motherboards that have the equivalent of a dual channel integrated 3940. Last one I bought was a TYAN 1836 with two adaptec SCSI channels and one Intel EtherXpress integrated -- plus it could accomodate two processors. Think I paid $545 US. - Barrett On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, Eddie - EAZNet Internet Services wrote: > Thanks for the help! I'll do some checking around... > > Eddie > > Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > You can also try the Qlogic 1240- that's a dual channel UWSCSI. The NCR > > 53c876 is a dual channel controller that I believe works. The Adaptec > > 39XX boards are two channel. The Adaptecs are probably the easiest to > > find. > > > > On Fri, 18 Jun 1999, Eddie - EAZNet Internet Services wrote: > > > > > I'm looking for a 2-channel UWSCSI or U2 controller for a Proxy server > > > running FreeBSD. It does not have to be a RAID controller. Any > > > suggestions? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Eddie Fry > > > eddie@eaznet.com > > > EAZNet Internet Services > > > 220 West 7th Street > > > Safford, AZ 85546 > > > (520) 348-0292 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > > > > -- > Eddie Fry > eddie@eaznet.com > EAZNet Internet Services > 220 West 7th Street > Safford, AZ 85546 > (520) 348-0292 > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 22 5: 3:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.nexos.com.br (ns.nexos.com.br [200.223.94.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC13514C35 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 05:03:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from josue@nexos.com.br) Received: from localhost (josue@localhost) by ns.nexos.com.br (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07709 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:03:40 -0300 (BSC) (envelope-from josue@nexos.com.br) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:03:40 -0300 (BSC) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Josu=E9_Jos=E9_Souza_Jr=2E?= To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Radius accounting Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, =09we have used radius merit for a long time but changed to cistron because of it's accounting tools. However, some problems with cistron made us migrate back to merit, which is working fine. The problem is that radius merit doesn't have accounting tools similar to merit's (radlast, radwho, etc). Is there any tools for doing account with radius merit? =09Thanks in advance, ------------------------------------------ Josu=E9 Jos=E9 Souza Jr. - Opera=E7=F5es e Suporte =20 josue@nexos.com.br Nexos Servi=E7os de Redes Ltda. http://www.nexos.com.br Salvador - Bahia - Brasil ------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 22 5:48:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from well.apcs.com.au (unknown [203.41.196.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23DC514F7C for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 05:48:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keith@well.apcs.com.au) Received: (from keith@localhost) by well.apcs.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.2) id WAA01387; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:42:19 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from keith) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:42:16 +1000 (EST) From: Keith Anderson To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Josu=E9_Jos=E9_Souza_Jr=2E?= Subject: RE: Radius accounting Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi I am running radius-cistron for 8000 users with no probs. What type of problem did you have ? Keith On 22-Jun-99 Josué José Souza Jr. wrote: > Hello, > > we have used radius merit for a long time but changed to cistron > because of it's accounting tools. However, some problems with cistron made > us migrate back to merit, which is working fine. The problem is that > radius merit doesn't have accounting tools similar to merit's (radlast, > radwho, etc). Is there any tools for doing account with radius merit? > > Thanks in advance, > > ------------------------------------------ > Josué José Souza Jr. - Operações e Suporte > josue@nexos.com.br > Nexos Serviços de Redes Ltda. > http://www.nexos.com.br > > Salvador - Bahia - Brasil > ------------------------------------------ > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message "The box said 'Requires Windows 95, NT, or better,' so I installed FreeBSD." ** The thing I like most about Windows 98 is... ** You can download FreeBSD with it! ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Keith Anderson Australia Power Control Systems Pty. Limited. Date: 22-Jun-99 Time: 22:40:37 Satelite Service 64K to 2Meg This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- What's the similarity between an air conditioner and a computer? They both stop working when you open windows. ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 22 6:19:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from host07.rwsystems.net (kasie.rwsystems.net [209.197.192.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B8914F3D for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 06:19:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwyatt@RWSystems.net) Received: from kasie.rwsystems.net([209.197.192.103]) (1467 bytes) by host07.rwsystems.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:01:07 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2.0.104 1998-Nov-20 #1 built 1998-Dec-24) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:01:06 -0500 (CDT) From: James Wyatt To: Barrett Richardson Cc: Ping Mai , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: modem recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, Barrett Richardson wrote: > My all time favorite is the Hayes Accura. The one I had was a 14.4 but > there are 56k versions of the same now (unless hayes is gone now). It was > the only modem I ever saw that worked flawlessly on every OS I put it on. > No special drivers, no 27 character init strings, it just worked. It > was, however, pretty boring as it had no bells and whistles. Yes, it *was* a great modem. Hayes low-end was better than some other companies high-end. Unfortunately, it is now a dead-end. 8{( I also had great luck with Cardinal modems. Our biggest customer uses a *lot* of Codex modems for everything from EDI to business process automation. I still have users that need demonstrations of why we don't use USR Sportsters for anything but very light (and attended) duty. - Jy@ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 22 17:12:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cliff.i-plus.net (mail.i-plus.net [209.100.20.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283A6154D2 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:12:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from st@i-Plus.net) Received: from localhost (st@localhost) by cliff.i-plus.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02306 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:13:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Troy Settle To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: ifconfig broke? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Perhaps the wrong list, but I've not seen this behavior before. Here's what happened: # ifconfig -a fxp0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 209.100.20.9 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 209.100.20.63 inet 209.100.20.23 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 209.100.20.23 inet 209.100.20.3 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 209.100.20.3 ether 00:a0:c9:22:ab:83 media: autoselect (100baseTX) status: active supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX # ifconfig fxp0 inet 209.100.20.3 alias delete # ifconfig -a fxp0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 209.100.20.23 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 209.100.20.23 inet 209.100.20.3 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 209.100.20.3 ether 00:a0:c9:22:ab:83 media: autoselect (100baseTX) status: active supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX Now, can anyone tell me what happened? I tried to delete 20.3, but 20.9 got deleted instead. -- Troy Settle iPlus Internet Services It's always a long day... 86400 doesn't fit into a short. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 22 17:37: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from velvet.sensation.net.au (serial0-velvet.Brunswick.sensation.net.au [203.20.114.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D76714BFC for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:36:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) Received: from localhost (rowan@localhost) by velvet.sensation.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA10149 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:36:30 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) X-Authentication-Warning: velvet.sensation.net.au: rowan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:36:28 +1000 (EST) From: Rowan Crowe To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ifconfig broke? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 22 Jun 1999, Troy Settle wrote: > > Perhaps the wrong list, but I've not seen this behavior before. > Here's what happened: > > # ifconfig -a > fxp0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet 209.100.20.9 netmask 0xffffffc0 broadcast 209.100.20.63 > inet 209.100.20.23 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 209.100.20.23 > inet 209.100.20.3 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 209.100.20.3 > ether 00:a0:c9:22:ab:83 > media: autoselect (100baseTX) status: active > supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX > > # ifconfig fxp0 inet 209.100.20.3 alias delete > > # ifconfig -a > fxp0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet 209.100.20.23 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 209.100.20.23 > inet 209.100.20.3 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 209.100.20.3 > ether 00:a0:c9:22:ab:83 > media: autoselect (100baseTX) status: active > supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX > > > > Now, can anyone tell me what happened? I tried to delete 20.3, but 20.9 > got deleted instead. Happens to me consistently, and it's very frustrating. I end up doing "ifconfig iface delete" repeatedly and then redoing the IP addresses. Even then things don't seem to be quite the same - for example, gated was still sending RIP packets to the wrong IP even after I redid the IPs and restarted it. ifconfig + alias + delete seems to be a fairly shonky combination. :) Cheers. -- Rowan Crowe http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/ Sensation Internet Services http://www.sensation.net.au/ Melbourne, Australia Phone: +61-3-9388-9260 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 22 17:42:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (parker-T1-2-gw.sf3d.best.net [209.157.165.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16CAD14C2F for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 17:42:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jas@flyingfox.com) Received: (from jas@localhost) by biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id SAA24865; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:44:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199906230144.SAA24865@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, rowan@sensation.net.au Subject: Re: ifconfig broke? In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try just saying "ifconfig delete" -- i.e., don't use the keyword "alias" when deleting an address. I will freely concede that the way it currently works is not maximally user-friendly :-). Jim Shankland NLynx Systems, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 23 10:52:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sinope.eclipse.net.uk (sinope.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA7C14DB8 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:52:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuart@eclipse.net.uk) Received: from eclipse.net.uk (elara.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.31]) by sinope.eclipse.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03130; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:52:26 +0100 Message-ID: <3770B316.B09AD5A@eclipse.net.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:12:38 +0100 From: Stuart Henderson Organization: Eclipse Networking Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Shankland Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, rowan@sensation.net.au Subject: Re: ifconfig broke? References: <199906230144.SAA24865@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jim Shankland wrote: > > Try just saying "ifconfig delete" -- i.e., don't > use the keyword "alias" when deleting an address. > > I will freely concede that the way it currently works is not > maximally user-friendly :-). It's a lot more user-friendly than the one in IRIX :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 23 13: 4:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B584D151C3 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:04:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA08246; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:04:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id WAA14341; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:04:43 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:04:43 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Karl Pielorz Cc: Suresh Rajagopalan , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hardware RAID for FreeBSD Message-ID: <19990623220443.B13759@bitbox.follo.net> References: <3768164D.A67784B4@tdx.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <3768164D.A67784B4@tdx.co.uk>; from Karl Pielorz on Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 10:25:33PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 10:25:33PM +0100, Karl Pielorz wrote: > Suresh Rajagopalan wrote: > > Has anyone tried using the DPT storage manager for SCO under FreeBSD > > ibcs2's emulation? > > At a guess I'd say that the differences between SCO's drivers and ours would > probably squash this outright - the DPT manager software needs very low level > access to the DPT, and is probably tied to their driver... I'd be good if > someone proved me wrong though... :) The old DPT driver (pre-CAM) had the hooks to do this, though I'm not sure if they were tested. Justin deleted these during the CAM conversion, citing the CAM passthrough interface as an adequate substitute. This may be through a mis-understanding of their purpose, though. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 23 17:27:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from members.activetech.net (members.activetech.net [209.81.201.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D0514CB0 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:27:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@activetech.net) Received: from wybitny (wybitny.activetech.net [209.81.201.10]) by members.activetech.net (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA00509 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:35:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <022001bebdd7$ff0ccd80$0ac951d1@activetech.net> From: "Kris Kedzierski" To: "FreeBSD-ISP List" Subject: Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:25:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was just reading on Apache-fp and FreeBSD and everywhere i look there is a notion of crypto problems with that. Did anyone run into this? If so how did you fix it, and is there a problem at all? Setup: Apache-fp 1.3.3 FreeBSD 2.2.8 Thanx Kris Kedzierski kris@activetech.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 23 18:58:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.westbend.net (ns1.westbend.net [209.224.254.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A5114CAB for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:58:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Received: from admin (admin.westbend.net [209.224.254.141]) by mail.westbend.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA01358; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:58:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Message-ID: <001601bebde5$0cf50fe0$8dfee0d1@westbend.net> From: "Scot W. Hetzel" To: "Kris Kedzierski" , "FreeBSD-ISP List" References: <022001bebdd7$ff0ccd80$0ac951d1@activetech.net> Subject: Re: Apache-fp crypto problem Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:58:26 -0500 Organization: West Bend Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: Kris Kedzierski > I was just reading on Apache-fp and FreeBSD and everywhere i look there is a > notion of crypto problems with that. Did anyone run into this? If so how > did you fix it, and is there a problem at all? > Setup: > Apache-fp 1.3.3 > FreeBSD 2.2.8 > The problem with the FrontPage extensions is that Microsoft or RTR compiled the extensions statically with a DES enabled libcrypto. When you install the FrontPage Extensions on to a FreeBSD system with out the DES libraries installed, you will not be able to access the web pages from the FrontPage client. Because the apache server doesn't know how to decipher the DES encrypted password in order to allow access. The only way to correct this problem is to download and install the DES libraries from: US & Canada http://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.2.8-RELEASE/des International http://internat.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.2.8-RELEASE/des The files you will need are des.a* and the install.sh file, you'll need to comment out, or remove the line for Kerberos (krb) in the install.sh file. Or if you use CVSup add: src-crypto src-secure to your cvsupfile. Then use "make update" to update the source tree, and finally rebuild the sources (buildworld & installworld). Scot To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 23 21:47:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3D014F43 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:47:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from your-name (TC1-dial-38-215.oldslip.inch.com [207.240.215.38]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.1a/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA21437 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906240447.AAA21437@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "FreebSD ISP list" Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:48:54 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Need suggestions. What features needed for admin tool? Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org About a month ago I bought a web based admin tool for FreeBSD called Netmax. It basically presents an HTML front end to DNS, Mail, Samba, backup, IFPW and other services. In talks with the vendor and from comments (or lack thereof) in lists/newsgroups I have not seen anyone else using Netmax. A few ISPs I mentioned it said they had too many custom setups to have a tool like this be helpfull. The question I have is what features would such and admin tool need to have to be attractive to a FreeBSD ISP or a site admin. The makers of this product seem to be very receptive and have talked to them voice a few times. My interest lies in finding how this product can best serve the FreeBSD community. They are coming out with a Linux port and I would hate to see them dropping FreeBSD in the future because it didn't sale enough (i.e. FreeBSD users did not think it was worth buying). The only thing I didn't like was the price. :-( It cost about $500, but at leat in my case it was woth it because the amount of time it would have taken me more than $500 worth my time. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 8:15:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from freja.webgiro.com (freja.webgiro.com [212.209.29.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ED0814E61 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:15:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fredrik@webgiro.com) Received: from webgiro.com (whirlwind.webgiro.com [212.209.29.99]) by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C2B18F7 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:15:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <37724B5D.B2C94775@webgiro.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:14:37 +0200 From: Fredrik von Kraemer Organization: WebGiro AB X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: IBM Netfinity 5500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello. Im going to buy some new computers and am thinking about buying Netfinity 5500 but i dont know if you can run FreeBSD on them without having problems? Do anybodey run FreeBSD on a machine like this with a standard configuration? Regards Fredrik von Kraemer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 10:13:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from arnold.neland.dk (mail.neland.dk [194.255.12.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C92B614F57 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:13:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: from gina (gina.neland.dk [192.168.0.14]) by arnold.neland.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA28509 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:13:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Message-ID: <00c901bebe64$f5267d60$0e00a8c0@neland.dk> From: "Leif Neland" To: Subject: why not uucp, instead of smtp and static ip? Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:13:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just wonder, when holding mail for a domain, which picks it up by dialin and doing smtp/etrn, one almost is forced to issue static ip's. Why not use uucp? Is it just considered old-fashioned, nobody understands how to set it up, or are there heavy reasons not to use uucp? Leif To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 10:17: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from complx.LF.net (complx.LF.net [195.206.130.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0881B14E60 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:17:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pi@complx.LF.net) Received: by complx.LF.net (Smail3.2.0.103/complx.LF.net) via LF.net GmbH Internet Services from pi for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG for host hub.FreeBSD.ORG id m10xD7U-000zySC; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:17:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: Subject: Re: why not uucp, instead of smtp and static ip? To: leifn@neland.dk (Leif Neland) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:16:59 +0200 (CEST) From: "Kurt Jaeger" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <00c901bebe64$f5267d60$0e00a8c0@neland.dk> from "Leif Neland" at Jun 24, 1999 07:13:32 PM X-NCC-RegID: de.oberon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! > I just wonder, when holding mail for a domain, which picks it up by dialin > and doing smtp/etrn, one almost is forced to issue static ip's. > > Why not use uucp? Is it just considered old-fashioned, nobody understands > how to set it up, or are there heavy reasons not to use uucp? All this. We still do it. It's a pain. -- MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 21 years to go ! LF.net GmbH pi@LF.net Oberon.net GmbH pi@oberon.net Vor dem Lauch 23 fon +49 711 90074-23 Friedrich-Ebert-Str.1 D-70567 Stuttgart fax +49 711 7289041 40210 Duesseldorf fon +49 211 179253-11 For Redmond: "nuke the site from orbit -- it's the only way to be sure." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 10:45:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from riga.nu (riga.nu.138.62.195.in-addr.arpa [195.62.138.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 05B3C14EA9 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:44:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vitjok@riga.nu) Received: (qmail 2673 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1999 17:43:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO riga.nu) (195.62.135.201) by riga.nu with SMTP; 24 Jun 1999 17:43:11 -0000 Message-ID: <3772985D.3CB47A7F@riga.nu> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:43:09 +0000 From: Victor Rotanov X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Hotmail-like system Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! Is there any software for FreeBSD (free or commercial) that can be used to make system like Hotmail (with at least folder list, message editor and ability to show attached files/mime/html)? Regards, ------------------------------------------------------------ Victor Rotanov E-mail victor@riga.nu Technical Director Phone +371-9104384 SIA "LATINTERCOM" Address http://web.riga.nu/ ------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 10:54: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from november.jaded.net (november.jaded.net [216.94.113.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3A115207 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:54:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@november.jaded.net) Received: (from chris@localhost) by november.jaded.net (8.9.3/8.9.3+trinsec_nospam) id OAA19293 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:04:23 -0400 From: Chris Montgomery To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hotmail-like system Message-ID: <19990624140423.B19129@trinsec.com> References: <3772985D.3CB47A7F@riga.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <3772985D.3CB47A7F@riga.nu>; from Victor Rotanov on Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 08:43:09PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I can't think of anything specifically pertaining to FreeBSD, there are a few free and commercial products that incorporate the system you are talking about. imp comes to mind as the foremost, you can find out more information at www.horde.org/imp I'm sure a little searching through the ports might turn up one as well. Cheers, Chris Montgomery On Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 08:43:09PM +0000, Victor Rotanov wrote: > Hello! > > Is there any software for FreeBSD (free or commercial) that > can be used to make system like Hotmail (with at least > folder list, message editor and ability to show attached > files/mime/html)? > > Regards, > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Victor Rotanov E-mail victor@riga.nu > Technical Director Phone +371-9104384 > SIA "LATINTERCOM" Address http://web.riga.nu/ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 10:59:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1753D156CB for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:59:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.24]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA39A2; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:59:20 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02133; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:53:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:53:32 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Leif Neland Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why not uucp, instead of smtp and static ip? Message-ID: <19990624195332.F1893@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <00c901bebe64$f5267d60$0e00a8c0@neland.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.3i In-Reply-To: <00c901bebe64$f5267d60$0e00a8c0@neland.dk>; from Leif Neland on Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 07:13:32PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Leif Neland (leifn@neland.dk) [990624 19:17]: > > Why not use uucp? Is it just considered old-fashioned, nobody understands > how to set it up, or are there heavy reasons not to use uucp? It seems nowadays nobody knows how to set it up anymore. In fact how many people even remember QWK and Blue Wave? Afaik there are no reasons not to use UUCP... I would gladly learn why people would not advise it. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The *BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist *BSD: We are back and will not accept no... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 10:59:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86BC4156CE for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:59:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.24]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAB39A2; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:59:20 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02129; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:50:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:50:09 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Fredrik von Kraemer Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IBM Netfinity 5500 Message-ID: <19990624195009.E1893@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <37724B5D.B2C94775@webgiro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.3i In-Reply-To: <37724B5D.B2C94775@webgiro.com>; from Fredrik von Kraemer on Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 05:14:37PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Fredrik von Kraemer (fredrik@webgiro.com) [990624 19:17]: > Im going to buy some new computers and am thinking about buying > Netfinity 5500 but i dont know if you can run FreeBSD on them without > having problems? Do anybodey run FreeBSD on a machine like this with a > standard configuration? I cannot be 100% sure at this point, but I heard some rants about the Netfinity in the past wrt some problems on hardware level. Ye might want to try a mailinglist search. You should have probably have asked this in either -questions or -hardware though. HTH, -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The *BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist *BSD: We are back and will not accept no... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 11: 5:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dexter.lcsd2.org (ns1.linc2.k12.wy.us [209.181.17.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2319414BFC for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:05:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@lcsd2.org) Received: from [137.90.159.11] ([137.90.159.11]) by dexter.lcsd2.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA53092; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:04:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from root@lcsd2.org) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:03:14 -0600 (MDT) From: Travis Stevenson To: Victor Rotanov Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hotmail-like system In-Reply-To: <3772985D.3CB47A7F@riga.nu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Victor Rotanov wrote: > Hello! > > Is there any software for FreeBSD (free or commercial) that > can be used to make system like Hotmail (with at least > folder list, message editor and ability to show attached > files/mime/html)? > > Regards, > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Victor Rotanov E-mail victor@riga.nu > Technical Director Phone +371-9104384 > SIA "LATINTERCOM" Address http://web.riga.nu/ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > One that I'm currently using is Focalmail. www.focalmail.com/home/index.html. it uses a MySql Server for themes and the addressbook. This uses php for its backend scripting. It is fairly easy to setup. follow there instructions and of you go. Travis Stevenson Lincoln County School District #2 Network Engineer tstevenson@lcsd2.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 11:12:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.tcworks.net (ns.tcworks.net [216.61.218.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5617414C91 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:12:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Received: from tcworks.net (xcess@likely.to.rageout.org [216.61.218.6]) by ns.tcworks.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA66331 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:15:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Message-ID: <377275C6.5836E0E0@tcworks.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:15:34 -0500 From: Chris Cook X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-19990614-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hotmail-like system References: <3772985D.3CB47A7F@riga.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Victor Rotanov wrote: > Hello! > > Is there any software for FreeBSD (free or commercial) that > can be used to make system like Hotmail (with at least > folder list, message editor and ability to show attached > files/mime/html)? I use atdot... http://www.atdot.org , it works very well, is VERY simple to setup and configure and includes all the things you require. They have some examples of usage on their site. Hope I could help. -- Chris Cook The Computer Works http://www.tcworks.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 11:17: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bogon.kjsl.com (bogon.kjsl.com [205.179.23.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68F414D07 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:16:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from javier@bogon.kjsl.com) Received: (from javier@localhost) by bogon.kjsl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07632; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:15:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Javier Henderson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14194.30171.864116.451193@bogon.kjsl.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:15:55 -0700 (PDT) To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: Leif Neland , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why not uucp, instead of smtp and static ip? In-Reply-To: <19990624195332.F1893@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <00c901bebe64$f5267d60$0e00a8c0@neland.dk> <19990624195332.F1893@daemon.ninth-circle.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.63 under Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai writes: > In fact how many people even remember QWK and Blue Wave? Anyone still running makepaths...? > Afaik there are no reasons not to use UUCP... I would gladly learn why > people would not advise it. I've a few UUCP peers, actually. They all use UUCP/TCP, and it works great. -jav To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 12: 6:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sinope.eclipse.net.uk (sinope.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0061571B for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:06:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuart@eclipse.net.uk) Received: from eclipse.net.uk (elara.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.31]) by sinope.eclipse.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16508; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:06:03 +0100 Message-ID: <377281CA.45DBEB4F@eclipse.net.uk> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:06:50 +0100 From: Stuart Henderson Organization: Eclipse Networking Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Victor Rotanov Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hotmail-like system References: <3772985D.3CB47A7F@riga.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Is there any software for FreeBSD (free or commercial) that > can be used to make system like Hotmail (with at least > folder list, message editor and ability to show attached > files/mime/html)? http://horde.org/imp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 13: 3:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sinope.eclipse.net.uk (sinope.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B571814C2F for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:03:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuart@eclipse.net.uk) Received: from eclipse.net.uk (elara.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.31]) by sinope.eclipse.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22432; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:02:36 +0100 Message-ID: <37728EE3.32F43F2F@eclipse.net.uk> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:02:43 +0100 From: Stuart Henderson Organization: Eclipse Networking Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leif Neland , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: why not uucp, instead of smtp and static ip? References: <00c901bebe64$f5267d60$0e00a8c0@neland.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I just wonder, when holding mail for a domain, which picks it > up by dialin and doing smtp/etrn, one almost is forced to issue > static ip's. Unless you can keep tables of who is online and which IP address they have up to date, presumably based on radius authentication requests, and use a mailer which can look at a dynamic source for map lookups (maybe sql or dbm - I think ldap is too heavyweight at db writes to be particularly good here). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 14:23: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from arnold.neland.dk (mail.neland.dk [194.255.12.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56E3152A6 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:23:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: from gina (gina.neland.dk [192.168.0.14]) by arnold.neland.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA78333; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:22:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Message-ID: <007201bebe87$c39f1e00$0e00a8c0@neland.dk> From: "Leif Neland" To: "Javier Henderson" Cc: References: <00c901bebe64$f5267d60$0e00a8c0@neland.dk><19990624195332.F1893@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <14194.30171.864116.451193@bogon.kjsl.com> Subject: Sv: why not uucp, instead of smtp and static ip? Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:17:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Afaik there are no reasons not to use UUCP... I would gladly learn why > > people would not advise it. > > I've a few UUCP peers, actually. They all use UUCP/TCP, and it > works great. > So you'd say the only problem is learning how to configure it? When configured. there is no problem? Leif To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 14:24:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bogon.kjsl.com (bogon.kjsl.com [205.179.23.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E01C152A6 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:24:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from javier@bogon.kjsl.com) Received: (from javier@localhost) by bogon.kjsl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10067; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:24:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Javier Henderson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14194.41490.140862.395283@bogon.kjsl.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:24:34 -0700 (PDT) To: "Leif Neland" Cc: "Javier Henderson" , Subject: Sv: why not uucp, instead of smtp and static ip? In-Reply-To: <007201bebe87$c39f1e00$0e00a8c0@neland.dk> References: <00c901bebe64$f5267d60$0e00a8c0@neland.dk> <19990624195332.F1893@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <14194.30171.864116.451193@bogon.kjsl.com> <007201bebe87$c39f1e00$0e00a8c0@neland.dk> X-Mailer: VM 6.63 under Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Leif Neland writes: > So you'd say the only problem is learning how to configure it? It isn't all that difficult, really. > When configured. there is no problem? I haven't seen any. I run Taylor UUCP over FreeBSD. -jav To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 14:26:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ts.shopnet.com (ts.shopnet.com [208.131.136.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1095152A6 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:26:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from deichert@wildponies.org) Received: (from deichert@localhost) by ts.shopnet.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) id PAA08713; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:28:47 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:28:46 -0600 (MDT) From: Diana Eichert X-Sender: deichert@ts.shopnet.com To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hotmail-like system In-Reply-To: <377281CA.45DBEB4F@eclipse.net.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://twig.screwdriver.net/ this one doesn't require javascript unlike imp > > Is there any software for FreeBSD (free or commercial) that > > can be used to make system like Hotmail (with at least > > folder list, message editor and ability to show attached > > files/mime/html)? Diana Eichert deichert@wrench.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 14:32:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from kremvax.demos.su (kremvax.demos.su [194.87.0.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5E51543E for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:32:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sinbin.demos.su!yormungandr.demos.su!mishania@kremvax.demos.su) Received: by kremvax.demos.su (8.6.13/D) from 0@sinbin.demos.su [194.87.5.31] with ESMTP id BAA22286; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:32:46 +0400 Received: from yormungandr.demos.su by sinbin.demos.su with ESMTP id BAA79522; (8.6.12/D) Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:32:02 +0400 Received: (from mishania@localhost) by yormungandr.demos.su (8.9.3/8.9.2) id BAA35466; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:31:45 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from mishania) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:31:45 +0400 From: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" To: Chris Cook Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hotmail-like system Message-ID: <19990625013145.B34410@demos.su> References: <3772985D.3CB47A7F@riga.nu> <377275C6.5836E0E0@tcworks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <377275C6.5836E0E0@tcworks.net>; from Chris Cook on Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 01:15:34PM -0500 X-Point-of-View: Gravity is myth, - the earth sucks. Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org you, guys, all do really want to look at www.stalker.com/CommuniGatePro/ currently, you would like either 3.0-release or 3.1b2 # Victor Rotanov wrote: # # > Hello! # > # > Is there any software for FreeBSD (free or commercial) that # > can be used to make system like Hotmail (with at least # > folder list, message editor and ability to show attached # > files/mime/html)? # # I use atdot... http://www.atdot.org , it works very well, is VERY simple # to setup and configure and includes all the things you require. They # have some examples of usage on their site. Hope I could help. # # -- # # Chris Cook # The Computer Works # http://www.tcworks.net # # # # To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org # with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- -mishania To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 14:39:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from megamail.megared.net.mx (unknown [207.249.163.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0876E14EAD for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:39:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ales@megared.net.mx) Received: from [207.249.163.251] by megamail.megared.net.mx (NTMail 3.03.0017/4c.ab3r) with ESMTP id sa332142 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:36:40 -0500 Message-ID: <013701bebe89$bcfac2a0$fba3f9cf@megared.net.mx> From: "Alejandro Ramírez" To: "Francisco Reyes" , "FreebSD ISP list" References: <199906240447.AAA21437@arutam.inch.com> Subject: RE: Need suggestions. What features needed for admin tool? Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:37:19 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Have you tried "webmin" http://www.webmin.com , its free and its very good very customizable. Ales ----- Original Message ----- From: Francisco Reyes To: FreebSD ISP list Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 11:48 PM Subject: Need suggestions. What features needed for admin tool? > About a month ago I bought a web based admin tool for FreeBSD called > Netmax. > It basically presents an HTML front end to DNS, Mail, Samba, backup, > IFPW and other services. > > In talks with the vendor and from comments (or lack thereof) in > lists/newsgroups I have not seen anyone else using Netmax. > > A few ISPs I mentioned it said they had too many custom setups to have > a tool like this be helpfull. > > The question I have is what features would such and admin tool need to > have to be attractive to a FreeBSD ISP or a site admin. > > The makers of this product seem to be very receptive and have talked to > them voice a few times. > > My interest lies in finding how this product can best serve the FreeBSD > community. They are coming out with a Linux port and I would hate to > see them dropping FreeBSD in the future because it didn't sale enough > (i.e. FreeBSD users did not think it was worth buying). > > The only thing I didn't like was the price. :-( > It cost about $500, but at leat in my case it was woth it because the > amount of time it would have taken me more than $500 worth my time. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 14:43:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from megamail.megared.net.mx (megamail.megared.com.mx [207.249.162.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 170B314EAD for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:43:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ales@megared.net.mx) Received: from [207.249.163.251] by megamail.megared.net.mx (NTMail 3.03.0017/4c.ab3r) with ESMTP id ka332160 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:40:10 -0500 Message-ID: <014901bebe8a$3a6f75a0$fba3f9cf@megared.net.mx> From: "Alejandro Ramírez" To: "Fredrik von Kraemer" , References: <37724B5D.B2C94775@webgiro.com> Subject: RE: IBM Netfinity 5500 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:40:50 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I think the raid card in the Netfinity 5500 isnt supported at this time. Ales ----- Original Message ----- From: Fredrik von Kraemer To: Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 10:14 AM Subject: IBM Netfinity 5500 > Hello. > > Im going to buy some new computers and am thinking about buying > Netfinity 5500 but i dont know if you can run FreeBSD on them without > having problems? Do anybodey run FreeBSD on a machine like this with a > standard configuration? > > Regards > Fredrik von Kraemer > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 14:49:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from 001101.zer0.org (001101.zer0.org [206.24.105.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A7114EAD for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:49:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@001101.zer0.org) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by 001101.zer0.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) id OAA21725; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:49:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:49:39 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: Francisco Reyes Cc: FreebSD ISP list Subject: Re: Need suggestions. What features needed for admin tool? Message-ID: <19990624144939.G97556@001101.zer0.org> References: <199906240447.AAA21437@arutam.inch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199906240447.AAA21437@arutam.inch.com>; from Francisco Reyes on Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 12:48:54AM -0400 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 12:48:54AM -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: > About a month ago I bought a web based admin tool for FreeBSD called > Netmax. > It basically presents an HTML front end to DNS, Mail, Samba, backup, > IFPW and other services. > > In talks with the vendor and from comments (or lack thereof) in > lists/newsgroups I have not seen anyone else using Netmax. I looked at the web page and online demo, and it seems like a prettied-up analogue of webmin. What I had hoped it would do, which is easy configuration of groups of similar machines, and groups of groups, etc. etc., it didn't seem to do. Its 'machine groups' section seemed pretty weak. Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Was Jimi's modem a Purple Hayes? mailto:gsutter@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 16:17:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from noc.drunk.net (noc.drunk.net [207.226.241.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D1114CF0 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:17:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevin@freedomhosting.com) Received: from kevin-turner (kevin@hlfx43-55.ns.sympatico.ca [142.177.93.55]) by noc.drunk.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA23577 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012a01bebe96$e08a89a0$054ffea9@kevin-turner> From: "Kevin" To: "FreebSD ISP list" Subject: WebMail / Admin tools. Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:11:21 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is basically a follow up to the previous mails, I'm looking for some webmail software for FreeBSD, (or something that would easily work on FreeBSD). I've tried horde/imp and had nothing but headaches. Do any of you know of some alternatives other than the ones mentioned? I'm looking for something that looks attractive to customers (or can be easily made attractive), and also something that has some decent features. Any suggestions would be great. On another note, I'm looking for some FreeBSD software that would allow me to add user accounts, set up virtualhosts / domains, create/edit named zones, add hosts/domains to sendmail's relay-domains and virtusertable, etc. Any ideas? Regards, Kevin Turner Freedom Hosting Internet. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 16:26:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bellnetworks.net (www.bellnetworks.net [216.214.153.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7170D15339 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:26:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jerry@bellnetworks.net) Received: from bellnetworks.net (alice.bellnetworks.net [216.214.153.74]) by bellnetworks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA44987; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:25:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerry@bellnetworks.net) Message-ID: <3772BD53.727C6AF8@bellnetworks.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:20:51 -0400 From: Jerry Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Cc: FreebSD ISP list Subject: Re: WebMail / Admin tools. References: <012a01bebe96$e08a89a0$054ffea9@kevin-turner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For webmail, I've been playing with twig (twig.screwdriver.net), and for the rest, try webmin (www.webmin.com) Both are free. Twig is pretty underdocumented, but it wasn't too bad to get running. Webmin is awsome in just about every respect. Jerry Kevin wrote: > > This is basically a follow up to the previous mails, > > I'm looking for some webmail software for FreeBSD, (or something that would > easily work on FreeBSD). I've tried horde/imp and had nothing but headaches. > Do any of you know of some alternatives other than the ones mentioned? I'm > looking for something that looks attractive to customers (or can be easily > made attractive), and also something that has some decent features. Any > suggestions would be great. > > On another note, I'm looking for some FreeBSD software that would allow me > to add user accounts, set up virtualhosts / domains, create/edit named > zones, add hosts/domains to sendmail's relay-domains and virtusertable, etc. > Any ideas? > > Regards, > > Kevin Turner > > Freedom Hosting Internet. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 16:32:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from oak.iea-software.com (oak.iea-software.com [207.53.165.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA5B14CA0 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:32:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shawn@bsdguy.com) Received: from sycamore (unverified [207.53.165.36]) by oak.iea-software.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.3.0) with SMTP id ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:24:09 -0700 Message-ID: <00da01bebe99$627fa9c0$24a535cf@ieasoftware.com> From: "Shawn Workman" To: "Kevin" , "FreebSD ISP list" References: <012a01bebe96$e08a89a0$054ffea9@kevin-turner> Subject: Re: WebMail / Admin tools. Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:29:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try webmin from the ports collection.. As far as web mail ????? ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin To: FreebSD ISP list Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 4:11 PM Subject: WebMail / Admin tools. > This is basically a follow up to the previous mails, > > I'm looking for some webmail software for FreeBSD, (or something that would > easily work on FreeBSD). I've tried horde/imp and had nothing but headaches. > Do any of you know of some alternatives other than the ones mentioned? I'm > looking for something that looks attractive to customers (or can be easily > made attractive), and also something that has some decent features. Any > suggestions would be great. > > On another note, I'm looking for some FreeBSD software that would allow me > to add user accounts, set up virtualhosts / domains, create/edit named > zones, add hosts/domains to sendmail's relay-domains and virtusertable, etc. > Any ideas? > > Regards, > > Kevin Turner > > Freedom Hosting Internet. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 16:37:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC6814E0D for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:37:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from your-name (TC1-dial-55-215.oldslip.inch.com [207.240.215.55]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.1a/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA09196; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906242337.TAA09196@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Kevin" Cc: "FreebSD ISP list" Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:39:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: WebMail / Admin tools. Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:11:21 -0300, Kevin wrote: >On another note, I'm looking for some FreeBSD software that would allow me >to add user accounts, set up virtualhosts / domains, create/edit named >zones, add hosts/domains to sendmail's relay-domains and virtusertable, etc. >Any ideas? As Jerry pointed out there is www.webmin.com, which I just found out about. There is also Netmax which I am using, but it is close to $500. I am going to try webmin since it is free, but I am extremely happy with Netmax and most importantly it's support. For instance I am getting a SDSL line. The IP numbers that I was given are in different subnets. I don't know much about these things so when Netmax came up with a red flag I called Netmax support. They expressed their doubts about the set of IPs that I got and now I am trying to talk to the ISP. With something like webmin I may not have caught this issue and would have spent probably days trying to get it resolved. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 16:50:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4192015168 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:50:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from your-name (TC1-dial-55-215.oldslip.inch.com [207.240.215.55]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.1a/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA10704; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906242350.TAA10704@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Gregory Sutter" Cc: "FreebSD ISP list" Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:52:08 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Need suggestions. What features needed for admin tool? Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:49:39 -0700, Gregory Sutter wrote: >I looked at the web page and online demo, and it seems like a >prettied-up analogue of webmin. I didn't know about webmin. Will install it home to check it out. >...easy configuration of groups of similar machines, and groups of >groups, etc. etc., it didn't seem to do. Its 'machine groups' >section seemed pretty weak. Can you elaborate? Netmax supports the concept of Masters. From the Netmax FAQ: ....The NetMAX master maintains the following information and distributes it to all slaves during a commit: users machines machine groups domains password policies On the other hand, the NetMAX slave maintains its own information for: user defaults user groups Are you looking for something simmilar to Netware's NDS or something to replicate a machine? (i.e. create a web server and have the entire setup repliated to a group of other computers..) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 16:51:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E2C15168 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:51:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from your-name (TC1-dial-55-215.oldslip.inch.com [207.240.215.55]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.1a/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA10858; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906242351.TAA10858@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Alejandro_Ram=EDrez?=" , "FreebSD ISP list" Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:53:14 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Need suggestions. What features needed for admin tool? Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 16:37:19 -0500, Alejandro Ram=EDrez wrote: >Have you tried "webmin" http://www.webmin.com , its free and its very >good very customizable. No I have not tried. I already have netmax, but will give Webmin a try at home. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 24 17:54:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gw.caamora.com.au (jonath5.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.41.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C67B14EA7 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 17:54:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@gw.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by gw.caamora.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA28759; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:53:49 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Message-ID: <19990625105349.C28336@caamora.com.au> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:53:49 +1000 From: jonathan michaels To: Francisco Reyes , Gregory Sutter Cc: FreebSD ISP list Subject: Re: Need suggestions. What features needed for admin tool? Mail-Followup-To: Francisco Reyes , Gregory Sutter , FreebSD ISP list References: <199906242350.TAA10704@arutam.inch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199906242350.TAA10704@arutam.inch.com>; from Francisco Reyes on Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 07:52:08PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD gw.caamora.com.au 2.2.7-RELEASE i386 X-Mood: i'm alive, if it counts Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 07:52:08PM -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:49:39 -0700, Gregory Sutter wrote: > > >I looked at the web page and online demo, and it seems like a > >prettied-up analogue of webmin. > > I didn't know about webmin. Will install it home to check it out. > > >...easy configuration of groups of similar machines, and groups of > >groups, etc. etc., it didn't seem to do. Its 'machine groups' > >section seemed pretty weak. > > Can you elaborate? > Netmax supports the concept of Masters. > > >From the Netmax FAQ: > > ....The NetMAX master maintains the following information and > distributes it to all slaves during a commit: > > users > machines > machine groups > domains > password policies > > On the other hand, the NetMAX slave maintains its own information for: > user defaults > user groups > > Are you looking for something simmilar to Netware's NDS or something to > replicate a machine? (i.e. create a web server and have the entire > setup repliated to a group of other computers..) yes, like the NDS (i'm familiar with the one from netware v3.12) in glorious full ansi text mode .. grin. but seriously, please include a curses version if you are doing a "gui", that is an X11 version. some of us admins don't (can't) run X11 front ends on our server(s). regards jonathan -- =============================================================================== Jonathan Michaels PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 Australia =========================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 25 2: 9:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sinope.eclipse.net.uk (sinope.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6E714E89 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 02:09:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuart@eclipse.net.uk) Received: from eclipse.net.uk (elara.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.31]) by sinope.eclipse.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31520 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:09:21 +0100 Message-ID: <37728FDD.701AB990@eclipse.net.uk> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:06:53 +0100 From: Stuart Henderson Organization: Eclipse Networking Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hotmail-like system References: <3772985D.3CB47A7F@riga.nu> <377281CA.45DBEB4F@eclipse.net.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org another option is 'imho'. Most of the ones with folder support are based on IMAP, so you will also need an IMAP server. Cyrus is fast but not compatible with /var/mail. UW-IMAP can use /var/mail although you will get better performance if you use another type of file to store messages in (it will read from /var/mail and write to another format though so it's a little easier than Cyrus which needs it's own delivery agent). If Cyrus in ports is still 1.5.14 then it's worth downloading 1.5.19 or newer from the ftp site (their web site still says 1.5.14 but is out of date). -sh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 25 5:54:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1953114C09 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 05:54:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA12232; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:53:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:53:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Hovey To: Kurt Jaeger Cc: Leif Neland , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why not uucp, instead of smtp and static ip? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org pop3 gateways are easiest On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Kurt Jaeger wrote: > Hi! > > > I just wonder, when holding mail for a domain, which picks it up by dialin > > and doing smtp/etrn, one almost is forced to issue static ip's. > > > > Why not use uucp? Is it just considered old-fashioned, nobody understands > > how to set it up, or are there heavy reasons not to use uucp? > > All this. We still do it. It's a pain. > > -- > MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 21 years to go ! > LF.net GmbH pi@LF.net Oberon.net GmbH pi@oberon.net > Vor dem Lauch 23 fon +49 711 90074-23 Friedrich-Ebert-Str.1 > D-70567 Stuttgart fax +49 711 7289041 40210 Duesseldorf fon +49 211 179253-11 > For Redmond: "nuke the site from orbit -- it's the only way to be sure." > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 25 6: 1:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from loki.intrepid.net (intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663F614C09 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:01:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@loki.intrepid.net) Received: (from mark@localhost) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA16199; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:58:03 -0400 Message-ID: <19990625085803.A14126@intrepid.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:58:03 -0400 From: Mark Conway Wirt To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , Leif Neland Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why not uucp, instead of smtp and static ip? References: <00c901bebe64$f5267d60$0e00a8c0@neland.dk> <19990624195332.F1893@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: <19990624195332.F1893@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai on Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 07:53:32PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 07:53:32PM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > * Leif Neland (leifn@neland.dk) [990624 19:17]: > > > > Why not use uucp? Is it just considered old-fashioned, nobody understands > > how to set it up, or are there heavy reasons not to use uucp? > > It seems nowadays nobody knows how to set it up anymore. I Think it's more appropriate to say that "nowadays no MTA seem to understand it" ;-) I hate issuing static IP's to dialup accounts -- even business class, but with both MS Exchange and Lotus's products, you have no choice. They're a bit brain dead.... --Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 25 6:39:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hostigos.otherwhen.com (dialin2017.pernet.net [205.229.2.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8237614D1B for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:39:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mavery@mail.otherwhen.com) Received: from mail.otherwhen.com (mail.2.229.205.in-addr.arpa [205.229.2.19] (may be forged)) by hostigos.otherwhen.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01553 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:44:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from PORKY/SpoolDir by mail.otherwhen.com (Mercury 1.45); 25 Jun 99 08:39:55 -0600 Received: from SpoolDir by PORKY (Mercury 1.45); 25 Jun 99 08:39:32 -0600 Received: from francis.otherwhen.com (12.73.250.121) by mail.otherwhen.com (Mercury 1.45) with ESMTP; 25 Jun 99 08:39:26 -0600 From: "Mike Avery (on the road)" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:39:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: why not uucp, instead of smtp and static ip? In-reply-to: <19990625085803.A14126@intrepid.net> References: <19990624195332.F1893@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai on Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 07:53:32PM +0200 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12) Message-ID: <27FC8C472BE@mail.otherwhen.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 25 Jun 99, at 8:58, Mark Conway Wirt wrote: > On Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 07:53:32PM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > > * Leif Neland (leifn@neland.dk) [990624 19:17]: > > > > > > Why not use uucp? Is it just considered old-fashioned, nobody understands > > > how to set it up, or are there heavy reasons not to use uucp? > > > > It seems nowadays nobody knows how to set it up anymore. > > > I Think it's more appropriate to say that "nowadays no MTA seem to > understand it" ;-) I hate issuing static IP's to dialup accounts -- even > business class, but with both MS Exchange and Lotus's products, you have > no choice. They're a bit brain dead.... If someone is running Exchange, Lotus Notes, Groupwise, Sendmail, or even Mercury, they are trying to run their own email services. And it would seem to be easiest if they have a fixed IP address. Even if you can remap the IP address for mail.mycustomer.com in DNS on the fly, the changes will take a while to propogate.... it seems better to give these people a static IP, even if it is a pain. Or - do you have a better solution? Mike ====================================================================== Mike Avery MAvery@mail.otherwhen.com (409)-842-2942 (work) ICQ: 16241692 * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day: Cereal port not responding - BREAKFAST halted. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 25 7:39:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from loki.intrepid.net (intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA12114EE5 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:39:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@loki.intrepid.net) Received: (from mark@localhost) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01814; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:39:11 -0400 Message-ID: <19990625103911.D14126@intrepid.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:39:11 -0400 From: Mark Conway Wirt To: "Mike Avery (on the road)" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why not uucp, instead of smtp and static ip? References: <19990624195332.F1893@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; <19990625085803.A14126@intrepid.net> <27FC8C472BE@mail.otherwhen.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: <27FC8C472BE@mail.otherwhen.com>; from Mike Avery (on the road) on Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 08:39:19AM -0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 08:39:19AM -0000, Mike Avery (on the road) wrote: > > If someone is running Exchange, Lotus Notes, Groupwise, > Sendmail, or even Mercury, they are trying to run their own email > services. And it would seem to be easiest if they have a fixed IP > address. > > Even if you can remap the IP address for mail.mycustomer.com in > DNS on the fly, the changes will take a while to propogate.... it > seems better to give these people a static IP, even if it is a pain. > > Or - do you have a better solution? Something like UUCP is a better solution. I can run the primary (and only) MX for the domain and spool it up via UUCP. [UUCP over TCP is the way to go, BTW]. Why is this better?: 1) No need for static addresses. 2) No potentially confusing "Unable to deliver..." messages if the customer doesn't retrieve their mail for a long time. --Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 25 7:49: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.walls-media.com (ns1.walls-media.com [12.6.126.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98872155DA for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:48:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bryanb@walls-media.com) Received: from ntwksbry ([12.6.126.58]) by ns1.walls-media.com (Post.Office MTA Undefined release Undefined ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with SMTP id com; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:48:30 -0500 From: "Bryan Bunch" To: "Mike Avery (on the road)" , Subject: RE: why not uucp, instead of smtp and static ip? Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:48:46 -0500 Message-ID: <000401bebf19$d3e5e860$3a7e060c@ntwksbry.walls-media.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 In-Reply-To: <27FC8C472BE@mail.otherwhen.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On 25 Jun 99, at 8:58, Mark Conway Wirt wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 07:53:32PM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > > > * Leif Neland (leifn@neland.dk) [990624 19:17]: > > > > > > > > Why not use uucp? Is it just considered old-fashioned, > nobody understands > > > > how to set it up, or are there heavy reasons not to use uucp? > > > > > > It seems nowadays nobody knows how to set it up anymore. > > > > > > I Think it's more appropriate to say that "nowadays no MTA seem to > > understand it" ;-) I hate issuing static IP's to dialup > accounts -- even > > business class, but with both MS Exchange and Lotus's products, > you have > > no choice. They're a bit brain dead.... > > If someone is running Exchange, Lotus Notes, Groupwise, > Sendmail, or even Mercury, they are trying to run their own email > services. And it would seem to be easiest if they have a fixed IP > address. > > Even if you can remap the IP address for mail.mycustomer.com in > DNS on the fly, the changes will take a while to propogate.... it > seems better to give these people a static IP, even if it is a pain. > > Or - do you have a better solution? We currently use ETRN to handle e-mail for customers who use dialup and want to manage their own e-mail accounts. The short of it is this, you set up your mail server so that their mail is queued on your mail server. When thet get back online, the exchange server initiates ETRN and asks your mail server for the queued mail. We do not have to deal with any static IP's for these customers. You can read about ETRN in RFC 1985: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1985.html Bryan bryanb@walls-media.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 25 7:50:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sinope.eclipse.net.uk (sinope.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B1A156EB for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:50:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuart@eclipse.net.uk) Received: from eclipse.net.uk (elara.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.31]) by sinope.eclipse.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19299; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:50:03 +0100 Message-ID: <3773974B.44F5E41F@eclipse.net.uk> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:50:51 +0100 From: Stuart Henderson Organization: Eclipse Networking Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mike Avery (on the road)" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why not uucp, instead of smtp and static ip? References: <19990624195332.F1893@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai on Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 07:53:32PM +0200 <27FC8C472BE@mail.otherwhen.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Even if you can remap the IP address for mail.mycustomer.com in > DNS on the fly, the changes will take a while to propogate.... it > seems better to give these people a static IP, even if it is a pain. > > Or - do you have a better solution? They don't need to be entered in DNS, mailertable should be quite sufficient (maybe better as well). But you do need to make sure the entries are removed when the user is logged off and you should probably also check at login if you are doing this by radius, in case you missed a stop request. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 25 7:57:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from singapura.singnet.com.sg (singapura.singnet.com.sg [165.21.10.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A9D214BDD; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:56:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seong@staff.singnet.com.sg) Received: from localhost (seong@localhost) by singapura.singnet.com.sg (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id WAA12531; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:56:55 +0800 (SST) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:56:55 +0800 (SST) From: "Seo Boon, Ng" X-Sender: seong@singapura.singnet.com.sg To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Questions: FreeBSD TCP/IP stack Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does FreeBSD-XXX RELEASE TCP/IP stack implement SACK(rfc2018) and TCPLW(in rfc1323)? If yes, could somebody points me to any documentation on how to modify these parameters? Thanks in advance. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 25 8:23:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F81D15751; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:23:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA83546; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:23:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:23:48 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: "Seo Boon, Ng" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Questions: FreeBSD TCP/IP stack Message-ID: <19990625102348.A82810@dan.emsphone.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: ; from "Seo Boon, Ng" on Fri Jun 25 22:56:55 GMT 1999 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In the last episode (Jun 25), Seo Boon, Ng said: > > Does FreeBSD-XXX RELEASE TCP/IP stack implement SACK(rfc2018) and > TCPLW(in rfc1323)? > > If yes, could somebody points me to any documentation on how to > modify these parameters? Thanks in advance. rfc1323 is supported, and is enabled by default. Edit /etc/rc.conf and set tcp_extensions="YES"to make sure. Luigi Rizzo has patches to enable SACK on 2.1.0 at http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/sack.html. I updated his patches to work on 2.2 and 3.0. The 2.2 patches apply cleanly to 2.2.8 (I emailed them to soemone who says they work). 3.* has changed enough that my patches no longer apply cleanly to 3.2. -Dan Nelson dnelson@emsphone.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 25 9:18:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from loki.intrepid.net (intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDB115628 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:18:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@loki.intrepid.net) Received: (from mark@localhost) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA19901; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:18:42 -0400 Message-ID: <19990625121841.R14126@intrepid.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:18:41 -0400 From: Mark Conway Wirt To: Bryan Bunch , "Mike Avery (on the road)" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why not uucp, instead of smtp and static ip? References: <27FC8C472BE@mail.otherwhen.com> <000401bebf19$d3e5e860$3a7e060c@ntwksbry.walls-media.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: <000401bebf19$d3e5e860$3a7e060c@ntwksbry.walls-media.com>; from Bryan Bunch on Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 09:48:46AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 09:48:46AM -0500, Bryan Bunch wrote: > We currently use ETRN to handle e-mail for customers who use dialup > and want to manage their own e-mail accounts. The short of it is > this, you set up your mail server so that their mail is queued on > your mail server. When thet get back online, the exchange server > initiates ETRN and asks your mail server for the queued mail. We do > not have to deal with any static IP's for these customers. A vanilla implementation of ETRN will only trigger the delivery of the mail. It then consults DNS to see where is is delivered. Maybe they've improved the implementation in Exchange or Notes (or sendmail, for that matter) recently, but in the past a static IP was required because sendmail would automatically query DNS to find the highest preference MX server. --Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 25 9:42:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sinope.eclipse.net.uk (sinope.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E1415673 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:42:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuart@eclipse.net.uk) Received: from eclipse.net.uk (elara.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.31]) by sinope.eclipse.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02576; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:42:13 +0100 Message-ID: <3773B194.BAC2F717@eclipse.net.uk> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:43:00 +0100 From: Stuart Henderson Organization: Eclipse Networking Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Conway Wirt Cc: Bryan Bunch , "Mike Avery (on the road)" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why not uucp, instead of smtp and static ip? References: <27FC8C472BE@mail.otherwhen.com> <000401bebf19$d3e5e860$3a7e060c@ntwksbry.walls-media.com> <19990625121841.R14126@intrepid.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Maybe they've improved the implementation in Exchange or Notes Exchange doesn't even let you use ETRN if you use an ISDN router. TURN used to let you turn the connection round and it would send all mail addressed to the host mentioned in the HELO, which does let you use a dynamic IP address but, as you might expect, there aren't many mail servers that allow that these days :-) Of course, if you are using Exchange or something similar, you can always compile yourself up an NT version of fetchmail using the cygwin libraries, and use that to pull POP3 (including use of Delivered-to so spam still gets to the right person :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 25 9:44:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from heaven.gigo.com (unknown [209.0.55.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E871B15656 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:44:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfesler@gigo.com) Received: from [209.0.55.69] (unknown [209.0.55.69]) by heaven.gigo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE79474; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 09:44:16 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Stuart Henderson Cc: Mark Conway Wirt , Bryan Bunch , "Mike Avery (on the road)" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why not uucp, instead of smtp and static ip? In-Reply-To: <3773B194.BAC2F717@eclipse.net.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Exchange doesn't even let you use ETRN if you use an ISDN router. Somebody (can't remember who off hand) made a "etrn.exe" for windows. It didn't care what mail program you ran or anything else. It simply asked for etrn. Our on-demand ISDN users used it as an event; the network traffic caused the routers to dial automaticly. It worked well for them, regardless of whether it was exchange, notes, or whatever other hoaky excuse for smtp they had... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 25 11:15:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from invicta.net (mail.mad-cow.org.uk [195.74.110.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CA2B114F0D for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:15:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from martynr@invictanet.co.uk) Received: from harry by invicta.net with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP5.R) for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:14:56 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Martyn Routley" To: "Freebsd-ISP (E-mail)" Subject: RE: why not uucp, instead of smtp and static ip? Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:14:54 +0100 Message-ID: <000201bebf36$a0ca3c20$1a6e4ac3@harry.invictanet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <19990625085803.A14126@intrepid.net> Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Return-Path: martynr@invictanet.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.popbeamer.com/ 'Haven't used it but apparently it enables Exchange Server to collect from any number of POP3 accounts. Therefore no fixed IP required. Martyn ----------------------------------------------------- InvictaNet - The Internet in Plain English, Guaranteed http://www.invictanet.co.uk info@invictanet.co.uk phone: +44 (0)1233 334000 fax: +44 (0)1233 334001   ------------------------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Mark Conway Wirt Sent: 25 June 1999 13:58 To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai; Leif Neland Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why not uucp, instead of smtp and static ip? On Thu, Jun 24, 1999 at 07:53:32PM +0200, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > * Leif Neland (leifn@neland.dk) [990624 19:17]: > > > > Why not use uucp? Is it just considered old-fashioned, nobody understands > > how to set it up, or are there heavy reasons not to use uucp? > > It seems nowadays nobody knows how to set it up anymore. I Think it's more appropriate to say that "nowadays no MTA seem to understand it" ;-) I hate issuing static IP's to dialup accounts -- even business class, but with both MS Exchange and Lotus's products, you have no choice. They're a bit brain dead.... --Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 25 20: 1: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from loki.intrepid.net (intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF52D14CB6 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:00:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@loki.intrepid.net) Received: (from mark@localhost) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA29142; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:00:46 -0400 Message-ID: <19990625230045.E27652@intrepid.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:00:45 -0400 From: Mark Conway Wirt To: jfesler@gigo.com, Stuart Henderson Cc: Bryan Bunch , "Mike Avery (on the road)" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why not uucp, instead of smtp and static ip? References: <3773B194.BAC2F717@eclipse.net.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: ; from jfesler@gigo.com on Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 09:44:16AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 25, 1999 at 09:44:16AM -0700, jfesler@gigo.com wrote: > > Exchange doesn't even let you use ETRN if you use an ISDN router. > > Somebody (can't remember who off hand) made a "etrn.exe" for windows. It > didn't care what mail program you ran or anything else. It simply asked > for etrn. Our on-demand ISDN users used it as an event; the network > traffic caused the routers to dial automaticly. It worked well for them, > regardless of whether it was exchange, notes, or whatever other hoaky > excuse for smtp they had... > On a positive note, I have more and more clients asking for us to implement a UNIX based mail server for them. Usually the ask for Linux, but I guess that's what's in the news. I have at least one that's considering FreeBSD. Couple 'o years ago, no one would have asked for UNIX :-) --Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 26 6:53: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hostigos.otherwhen.com (dialin2017.pernet.net [205.229.2.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93C414F29 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 06:52:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mavery@mail.otherwhen.com) Received: from mail.otherwhen.com (mail.2.229.205.in-addr.arpa [205.229.2.19] (may be forged)) by hostigos.otherwhen.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06072 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 08:57:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from PORKY/SpoolDir by mail.otherwhen.com (Mercury 1.45); 26 Jun 99 08:52:52 -0600 Received: from SpoolDir by PORKY (Mercury 1.45); 26 Jun 99 08:52:50 -0600 Received: from francis.otherwhen.com (12.73.238.35) by mail.otherwhen.com (Mercury 1.45) with ESMTP; 26 Jun 99 08:52:44 -0600 From: "Mike Avery (on the road)" To: "Freebsd-ISP (E-mail)" Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 08:52:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: why not uucp, instead of smtp and static ip? In-reply-to: <000201bebf36$a0ca3c20$1a6e4ac3@harry.invictanet.co.uk> References: <19990625085803.A14126@intrepid.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12) Message-ID: <298022A3C31@mail.otherwhen.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 25 Jun 99, at 19:14, Martyn Routley wrote: > http://www.popbeamer.com/ > > 'Haven't used it but apparently it enables Exchange Server to collect from > any number of POP3 accounts. Therefore no fixed IP required. I think you're guilty of seeing things from your perspective, rather than the customer's perspective. From my point of view, I don't want to be tied to a vendor, to an ISP. Some ISP's disappear without warning. Some get bought and the service goes to hell in a handbasket. So.... I want my own mailboxes at myname.com, not at yourname.com. That way, if my ISP jerks me around - and it happens - I can call other vendors, find one more compatible with my goals, and then arrange for an orderly switchover, even it means paying the old ISP for a few extra months of service. In short, I don't want to look at POP3 accounts at your site. I want the POP3 accounts at my site. And.... as near as I can tell, that means I need to have a DNS and some MX records pointing at my site...... and that suggests a static IP address. Again, this also implies a 7x24 connection rather than a short term dial up connection. Mike ====================================================================== Mike Avery MAvery@mail.otherwhen.com (409)-842-2942 (work) ICQ: 16241692 * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * Recently Seen On A Bumper Sticker Near Your Home: As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in public schools. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 26 9:41:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from users.anet-stl.com (users.anet-stl.com [209.145.150.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB8814EC9 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:41:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doogie@anet-stl.com) Received: from earth.anet-stl.com (doogie@earth.anet-stl.com [209.83.128.12]) by users.anet-stl.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA46763; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:40:06 GMT Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:40:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Jason Young To: "Mike Avery (on the road)" Cc: "Freebsd-ISP (E-mail)" Subject: RE: why not uucp, instead of smtp and static ip? In-Reply-To: <298022A3C31@mail.otherwhen.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 26 Jun 1999, Mike Avery (on the road) wrote: > >From my point of view, I don't want to be tied to a vendor, to an > ISP. Some ISP's disappear without warning. Some get bought > and the service goes to hell in a handbasket. > > So.... I want my own mailboxes at myname.com, not at > yourname.com. That way, if my ISP jerks me around - and it > happens - I can call other vendors, find one more compatible with > my goals, and then arrange for an orderly switchover, even it > means paying the old ISP for a few extra months of service. In > short, I don't want to look at POP3 accounts at your site. Most ISPs (us, for example) have the ability to take a given domain you have with them (mydomain.com) and funnel all its mail into an account luser@isp.com. This is more than likely the setup you'd use to retrieve all of mydomain.com's mail. If you want to take mydomain.com elsewhere, transfer it and have your new ISP create a similar setup. Jason Young ANET/accessUS Chief Network Engineer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 26 10:18:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from game.over.net (game.over.net [193.189.189.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7919914F66 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:18:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomaz.borstnar@over.net) Received: from [212.30.94.83] ([212.30.94.83]:23827 "EHLO user") by mail.over.net with ESMTP id ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:19:12 +0200 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990626114719.01cffdb0@193.189.189.100> X-Sender: tmail@193.189.189.100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:50:45 +0200 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Tomaz Borstnar Subject: Re: Hotmail-like system In-Reply-To: <19990625013145.B34410@demos.su> References: <377275C6.5836E0E0@tcworks.net> <3772985D.3CB47A7F@riga.nu> <377275C6.5836E0E0@tcworks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 23:31 24.6.99 , Mikhail A. Sokolov wrote the following message: >you, guys, all do really want to look at www.stalker.com/CommuniGatePro/ >currently, you would like either 3.0-release or 3.1b2 Yes, it looks and feels great, but there is one thing - security. How secure is it? AFAIK, it is one monolithic process runinng as root. It could get rid of root right after starting - like apache do and use group permission instead of root for everything, etc. How good are they in minimizing the risk? Hmm, I should ask them too. Tomaz ---- Tomaz Borstnar "Love is the answer to the final question you ask" - Unknown To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 26 10:55:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from invicta.net (mail.mad-cow.org.uk [195.74.110.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 59A2E15085 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:55:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from martynr@invictanet.co.uk) Received: from harry by invicta.net with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP5.R) for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:54:12 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Martyn Routley" To: "Freebsd-ISP (E-mail)" Subject: Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:54:10 +0100 Message-ID: <000101bebffc$e56c5ae0$1a6e4ac3@harry.invictanet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Return-Path: martynr@invictanet.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That is exactly what we offer our customers. A transfer to another ISP (or to us from A.N.Other)takes as long as a domain name transfer. Martyn Routley ----------------------------------------------------- InvictaNet - The Internet in Plain English, Guaranteed http://www.invictanet.co.uk info@invictanet.co.uk phone: +44 (0)1233 334000 fax: +44 (0)1233 334001 ------------------------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jason Young Sent: 26 June 1999 17:40 To: Mike Avery (on the road) Cc: Freebsd-ISP (E-mail) Subject: RE: why not uucp, instead of smtp and static ip? On Sat, 26 Jun 1999, Mike Avery (on the road) wrote: > >From my point of view, I don't want to be tied to a vendor, to an > ISP. Some ISP's disappear without warning. Some get bought > and the service goes to hell in a handbasket. > > So.... I want my own mailboxes at myname.com, not at > yourname.com. That way, if my ISP jerks me around - and it > happens - I can call other vendors, find one more compatible with > my goals, and then arrange for an orderly switchover, even it > means paying the old ISP for a few extra months of service. In > short, I don't want to look at POP3 accounts at your site. Most ISPs (us, for example) have the ability to take a given domain you have with them (mydomain.com) and funnel all its mail into an account luser@isp.com. This is more than likely the setup you'd use to retrieve all of mydomain.com's mail. If you want to take mydomain.com elsewhere, transfer it and have your new ISP create a similar setup. Jason Young ANET/accessUS Chief Network Engineer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 26 12:34:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4424714C49 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:32:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA60703 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:32:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: sendmail relaying Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I thought you folks here on this list would know more than most about sendmail, so while I'm not an ISP (not today, not on this personal machine problem) I think this is the right audience. I just got a mail from ORBS (http://www.orbs.org/) telling me I'm an open mail relay on my home machine. I run current here, no mods, and since I thought that sendmail 8.9.3 came with relaying off by default, I didn't need to do anything to stop it. I checked my machine by logging into a different one, and sending mail to myself at a 3rd host, using my home machine (picnic.mat.net) as relay. Worked fine, but I was expecting ahd hoping for it to fail. Can someone tell me what I'm missing? All the stuff I can find on sendmail relay configuration is to carefully open up relaying (via lists to allow or deny some users) but I think I want to deny the universe. Help! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current. (301) 220-2114 | ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 26 12:45:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from Astrovan.cstone.net (mailstop.cstone.net [205.197.102.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CBC14CED for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:45:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from highway@cstone.net) Received: from fieldeng (fieldeng.cstone.net [205.197.102.253]) by Astrovan.cstone.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59789U13500L1350S0V35) with SMTP id net; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:37:47 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990626154759.03173a80@cstone.net> X-Sender: highway@cstone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:47:59 -0400 To: Chuck Robey From: Sean Michael Whipkey Subject: Re: sendmail relaying Cc: FreeBSD-ISP In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 03:32 PM 6/26/99 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: >I just got a mail from ORBS (http://www.orbs.org/) telling me I'm an >open mail relay on my home machine. I run current here, no mods, and >since I thought that sendmail 8.9.3 came with relaying off by default, I >didn't need to do anything to stop it. I thought the same thing, but the FreeBSD 3.2 server I just set up at work that came with sendmail 8.9.3 has relaying turned on as well. I haven't had much time to figure out how to refuse all, but I'm working on it as we speak, so I'll let y'all know what I find. SeanMike -- SeanMike Whipkey - Cornerstone Networks Engineering - highway@cstone.net Report received spam to: spam-report@cstone.net with the full headers Cornerstone Networks - 804.817.7000 or 800.325.9848 - http://www.cstone.net "Linux is only free if your time has no value." - Jamie Zawinksi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 26 12:48: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FA214CED for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:48:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA60793; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:47:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Sean Michael Whipkey Cc: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: sendmail relaying In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990626154759.03173a80@cstone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 26 Jun 1999, Sean Michael Whipkey wrote: > At 03:32 PM 6/26/99 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > >I just got a mail from ORBS (http://www.orbs.org/) telling me I'm an > >open mail relay on my home machine. I run current here, no mods, and > >since I thought that sendmail 8.9.3 came with relaying off by default, I > >didn't need to do anything to stop it. > > I thought the same thing, but the FreeBSD 3.2 server I just set up at work > that came with sendmail 8.9.3 has relaying turned on as well. I haven't > had much time to figure out how to refuse all, but I'm working on it as we > speak, so I'll let y'all know what I find. At least I know it's not probably something I messed up. I got kinda miffed a little while back when, shortly after I bought O'Reilly's monster Sendmail book, they changed the format of the configuration. My luck. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current. (301) 220-2114 | ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 26 12:48:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7993E14CED for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:48:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 29362 invoked by uid 1001); 26 Jun 1999 19:48:32 +0000 (GMT) To: chuckr@picnic.mat.net Cc: FreeBSD-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail relaying From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:32:11 -0400 (EDT)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:48:32 +0200 Message-ID: <29360.930426512@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I just got a mail from ORBS (http://www.orbs.org/) telling me I'm an > open mail relay on my home machine. I run current here, no mods, and > since I thought that sendmail 8.9.3 came with relaying off by default, I > didn't need to do anything to stop it. It *does* come with relaying off by default, but only if you use an 8.9.3 based configuration. If you just continue using an old 8.8.x (or earlier) configuration, you'll still be wide open. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 26 12:49:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FABF14CED for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:49:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA76672; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:48:57 +0200 (SAT) (envelope-from jhay) From: John Hay Message-Id: <199906261948.VAA76672@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: sendmail relaying In-Reply-To: from Chuck Robey at "Jun 26, 1999 03:32:11 pm" To: chuckr@picnic.mat.net (Chuck Robey) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:48:57 +0200 (SAT) Cc: FreeBSD-isp@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD-ISP) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I just got a mail from ORBS (http://www.orbs.org/) telling me I'm an > open mail relay on my home machine. I run current here, no mods, and > since I thought that sendmail 8.9.3 came with relaying off by default, I > didn't need to do anything to stop it. > > I checked my machine by logging into a different one, and sending mail > to myself at a 3rd host, using my home machine (picnic.mat.net) as > relay. Worked fine, but I was expecting ahd hoping for it to fail. > > Can someone tell me what I'm missing? All the stuff I can find on > sendmail relay configuration is to carefully open up relaying (via lists > to allow or deny some users) but I think I want to deny the universe. > Well, looking in the header of this mail, it looks like your machine (picnic.mat.net) is running the latest sendmail (8.9.3) but still with an very old config file (8.8.5). Most of the anti-relaying is actually in the config file. So just upgrade your config file. :-) --------- Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA60703 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:32:11 -0400 (EDT) -------- John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 26 13: 2:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A048150A7 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:02:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA60914; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:01:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:01:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: John Hay Cc: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: sendmail relaying In-Reply-To: <199906261948.VAA76672@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 26 Jun 1999, John Hay wrote: > > > > I just got a mail from ORBS (http://www.orbs.org/) telling me I'm an > > open mail relay on my home machine. I run current here, no mods, and > > since I thought that sendmail 8.9.3 came with relaying off by default, I > > didn't need to do anything to stop it. > > > > I checked my machine by logging into a different one, and sending mail > > to myself at a 3rd host, using my home machine (picnic.mat.net) as > > relay. Worked fine, but I was expecting ahd hoping for it to fail. > > > > Can someone tell me what I'm missing? All the stuff I can find on > > sendmail relay configuration is to carefully open up relaying (via lists > > to allow or deny some users) but I think I want to deny the universe. > > > > Well, looking in the header of this mail, it looks like your machine > (picnic.mat.net) is running the latest sendmail (8.9.3) but still > with an very old config file (8.8.5). Most of the anti-relaying is > actually in the config file. So just upgrade your config file. :-) Gotcha, did that, works now. Thanks! > > --------- > Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) > by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA60703 > for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:32:11 -0400 (EDT) > -------- > > John > -- > John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current. (301) 220-2114 | ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 26 13:13:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from emu.sourcee.com (emu.sourcee.com [205.181.251.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D955E150C4 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:13:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nrice@emu.sourcee.com) Received: (from nrice@localhost) by emu.sourcee.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA26064; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:12:47 -0400 From: "Norman C. Rice" To: Chuck Robey Cc: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: sendmail relaying Message-ID: <19990626161247.A18733@emu.sourcee.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Chuck Robey on Sat, Jun 26, 1999 at 03:32:11PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jun 26, 1999 at 03:32:11PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > I thought you folks here on this list would know more than most about > sendmail, so while I'm not an ISP (not today, not on this personal > machine problem) I think this is the right audience. > > I just got a mail from ORBS (http://www.orbs.org/) telling me I'm an > open mail relay on my home machine. I run current here, no mods, and > since I thought that sendmail 8.9.3 came with relaying off by default, I > didn't need to do anything to stop it. The standard configuration file, /usr/src/sendmail/freebsd.mc, has FEATURE(relay_based_on_MX)dnl which allows relaying as follows (from sendmail's cf/README): relay_based_on_MX Turns on the ability to allow relaying based on the MX records of the host portion of an incoming recipient. See description below for more information before using this feature. ... You can also allow relaying based on the MX records of the host portion of an incoming recipient address by using FEATURE(relay_based_on_MX) For example, if your server receives a recipient of user@domain.com and domain.com lists your server in its MX records, the mail will be accepted. Note that this will stop spammers from using your host to relay spam but it will not stop outsiders from using your server as a relay for their site. -- Regards, Norman C. Rice, Jr. > I checked my machine by logging into a different one, and sending mail > to myself at a 3rd host, using my home machine (picnic.mat.net) as > relay. Worked fine, but I was expecting ahd hoping for it to fail. > > Can someone tell me what I'm missing? All the stuff I can find on > sendmail relay configuration is to carefully open up relaying (via lists > to allow or deny some users) but I think I want to deny the universe. > > Help! > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. > 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | > Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current. > (301) 220-2114 | > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 26 13:55:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E072314CF3 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:55:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA61152; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:54:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:54:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: "Norman C. Rice" Cc: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: sendmail relaying In-Reply-To: <19990626161247.A18733@emu.sourcee.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 26 Jun 1999, Norman C. Rice wrote: > The standard configuration file, /usr/src/sendmail/freebsd.mc, has > > FEATURE(relay_based_on_MX)dnl > > which allows relaying as follows (from sendmail's cf/README): > > relay_based_on_MX > Turns on the ability to allow relaying based on the MX > records of the host portion of an incoming recipient. See > description below for more information before using this > feature. > ... > > You can also allow relaying based on the MX records of the host > portion of an incoming recipient address by using > > FEATURE(relay_based_on_MX) > > For example, if your server receives a recipient of user@domain.com > and domain.com lists your server in its MX records, the mail will be > accepted. Note that this will stop spammers from using your host to > relay spam but it will not stop outsiders from using your server as a > relay for their site. I simply stopped all relaying whatsoever, I'm behind a slow modem and to use me is pretty ridiculous unless you're up to something shady. I thank all you guys who showed me what to do! Could I press one step further, and ask how I get procmail wired in, so that I can use automated filtering based upon some net database like the realtime blackhole list? I use Pine as my MTA, and I don't want to change that, but I'm not sure how to shoehorn procmail into that. > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current. (301) 220-2114 | ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 26 14:29:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from snake.supranet.net (snake.supranet.net [205.164.160.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDFD814FAE for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:29:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@arnie.jfive.com) Received: from snake.supranet.net (snake.supranet.net [205.164.160.19]) by snake.supranet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA29572 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:34:32 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from john@arnie.jfive.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:34:32 -0500 (CDT) From: John Heyer X-Sender: john@snake.supranet.net To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Trouble with routes and natd Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here's the situation: we have a FreeBSD 3.2 machine running natd and ipfw with one external interface (205.164.160.26, 27-29 aliases), and one internal interface. To get to the entire internal network, we go through a compatible 2600 router with "route add 10.1.0.0 -netmask 255.255.252.0 10.1.3.20". While the internal network gets out fine, we're having trouble with natd re-directing from external to internal so outside people can get to the servers. Using tcpdump on the internal ethernet card, I see packets being sent to the correct internal machine then returning, however the client never gets anything back. While this would appear a firewall situation, the correct ports are opened up and quiet mode is off, showing no packets denied. We've setup several proxy servers running natd/ipfw where port-re-direction was used, and this is the first time there's been trouble. I was wondering if perhaps the static route command could mess things up? Any ideas greatly appreciated. -- "Your illogical approach ... does have its advantages." -- Spock, after being Checkmated by Kirk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 26 14:35: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D5D14FAE for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:35:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09035; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906262130.RAA09035@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:28:05 -0400 To: Chuck Robey , FreeBSD-ISP From: Dennis Subject: Re: sendmail relaying In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone who subscribes to ORBs isnt worth sending mail to anyway, so dont worry about it. One of my (potential) suppliers lost a big order because they kept bouncing my emails *shrug*, I bought from someone else. Some college weenie thought he was doing them a favor and it probably cost them 5 times his salary. DB At 03:32 PM 6/26/99 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: >I thought you folks here on this list would know more than most about >sendmail, so while I'm not an ISP (not today, not on this personal >machine problem) I think this is the right audience. > >I just got a mail from ORBS (http://www.orbs.org/) telling me I'm an >open mail relay on my home machine. I run current here, no mods, and >since I thought that sendmail 8.9.3 came with relaying off by default, I >didn't need to do anything to stop it. > >I checked my machine by logging into a different one, and sending mail >to myself at a 3rd host, using my home machine (picnic.mat.net) as >relay. Worked fine, but I was expecting ahd hoping for it to fail. > >Can someone tell me what I'm missing? All the stuff I can find on >sendmail relay configuration is to carefully open up relaying (via lists >to allow or deny some users) but I think I want to deny the universe. > >Help! > >----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- >Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data >chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. >213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | >Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current. >(301) 220-2114 | >----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 26 14:46: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB6C314FAE for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 14:46:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA61339; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:45:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:45:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Dennis Cc: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: sendmail relaying In-Reply-To: <199906262130.RAA09035@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 26 Jun 1999, Dennis wrote: > Anyone who subscribes to ORBs isnt worth sending mail to anyway, so dont > worry about it. One of my (potential) suppliers lost a big order because > they kept bouncing my emails *shrug*, I bought from someone else. Some > college weenie thought he was doing them a favor and it probably cost them > 5 times his salary. I just checked, etinc.com isn't in the databases I could find. If you're not in favor of efforts to limit spam, well, I think you're categorizing yourself. If you think that college student misadministered the system, then that is what you should complain about. > > DB > > At 03:32 PM 6/26/99 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > >I thought you folks here on this list would know more than most about > >sendmail, so while I'm not an ISP (not today, not on this personal > >machine problem) I think this is the right audience. > > > >I just got a mail from ORBS (http://www.orbs.org/) telling me I'm an > >open mail relay on my home machine. I run current here, no mods, and > >since I thought that sendmail 8.9.3 came with relaying off by default, I > >didn't need to do anything to stop it. > > > >I checked my machine by logging into a different one, and sending mail > >to myself at a 3rd host, using my home machine (picnic.mat.net) as > >relay. Worked fine, but I was expecting ahd hoping for it to fail. > > > >Can someone tell me what I'm missing? All the stuff I can find on > >sendmail relay configuration is to carefully open up relaying (via lists > >to allow or deny some users) but I think I want to deny the universe. > > > >Help! > > > >----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > >Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > >chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. > >213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | > >Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current. > >(301) 220-2114 | > >----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current. (301) 220-2114 | ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 26 15:25:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E72E214C2E for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:25:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA83499; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:25:03 -0400 (EDT) From: jack To: Chuck Robey Cc: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: sendmail relaying In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Today Chuck Robey wrote: > I thank all you guys who showed me what to do! Could I press one step > further, and ask how I get procmail wired in, cd /usr/ports/mail/procmail make install clean man {procmail(1), procmailrc(5), procmailsc(5), procmailex(5)} > so that I can use > automated filtering based upon some net database like the realtime > blackhole list? You don't use procmail for that, that's sendmail's job. See /usr/src/contrib/sendmail/cf/README Specifically rbl Turns on rejection of hosts found in the Realtime Blackhole List. If an argument is provided it is used as the name sever to contact; otherwise, the main RBL server at rbl.maps.vix.com is used. For details, see http://maps.vix.com/rbl/. under FEATURES > I use Pine as my MTA, and I don't want to change that, > but I'm not sure how to shoehorn procmail into that. Pine (a MUserA, not a MTransferAgent) has no interface with procmail, it just reads the mail that procmail has done its things to. Sendmail can be configured to pass mail through procmail, rather than mail.local(8) for local delivery which is then read with pine or whatever. Look for procmail in the same README to have sendmail use it, or call it from a .forward file as detailed in the procmail(1) man page. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 26 15:31:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B3414F14 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:31:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA83764; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:31:01 -0400 (EDT) From: jack To: Chuck Robey Cc: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: sendmail relaying In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Today Chuck Robey wrote: > On Sat, 26 Jun 1999, Dennis wrote: > > > Anyone who subscribes to ORBs isnt worth sending mail to anyway, so dont > > worry about it. One of my (potential) suppliers lost a big order because > > they kept bouncing my emails *shrug*, I bought from someone else. Some > > college weenie thought he was doing them a favor and it probably cost them > > 5 times his salary. > > I just checked, etinc.com isn't in the databases I could find. If > you're not in favor of efforts to limit spam, well, I think you're > categorizing yourself. Dennis has made his pro-spam position very clear on another, non-FBSD, mailing list I'm on. Clearly he is not part of the solution but part of the problem. :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 26 15:48: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from emu.sourcee.com (emu.sourcee.com [205.181.251.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D8114EF2 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:48:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nrice@emu.sourcee.com) Received: (from nrice@localhost) by emu.sourcee.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA26456; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:47:55 -0400 From: "Norman C. Rice" To: Chuck Robey Cc: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: sendmail relaying Message-ID: <19990626184754.A26099@emu.sourcee.com> References: <19990626161247.A18733@emu.sourcee.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Chuck Robey on Sat, Jun 26, 1999 at 04:54:50PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jun 26, 1999 at 04:54:50PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Sat, 26 Jun 1999, Norman C. Rice wrote: > > > The standard configuration file, /usr/src/sendmail/freebsd.mc, has > > > > FEATURE(relay_based_on_MX)dnl > > > > which allows relaying as follows (from sendmail's cf/README): > > > > relay_based_on_MX > > Turns on the ability to allow relaying based on the MX > > records of the host portion of an incoming recipient. See > > description below for more information before using this > > feature. > > ... > > > > You can also allow relaying based on the MX records of the host > > portion of an incoming recipient address by using > > > > FEATURE(relay_based_on_MX) > > > > For example, if your server receives a recipient of user@domain.com > > and domain.com lists your server in its MX records, the mail will be > > accepted. Note that this will stop spammers from using your host to > > relay spam but it will not stop outsiders from using your server as a > > relay for their site. > > I simply stopped all relaying whatsoever, I'm behind a slow modem and to > use me is pretty ridiculous unless you're up to something shady. > > I thank all you guys who showed me what to do! Could I press one step > further, and ask how I get procmail wired in, so that I can use > automated filtering based upon some net database like the realtime > blackhole list? I use Pine as my MTA, and I don't want to change that, > but I'm not sure how to shoehorn procmail into that. I am a bit confused because I thought you were using sendmail as your MTA. If your question is how to use procmail as your local delivery agent (MDA), then just add the following to the m4 configuration file (freebsd.mc or your customized one). FEATURE(local_procmail)dnl Add your system wide recipes to /usr/local/etc/procmailrc. Sendmail will use the RBL if you remove the leading `dnl' from the dnl FEATURE(rbl)dnl line in /usr/src/sendmail/freebsd.mc. -- Regards, Norman C. Rice, Jr. > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. > 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | > Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current. > (301) 220-2114 | > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 26 16: 1:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6697115198 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:01:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA61587; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:00:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:00:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: "Norman C. Rice" Cc: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: sendmail relaying In-Reply-To: <19990626184754.A26099@emu.sourcee.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 26 Jun 1999, Norman C. Rice wrote: > > I thank all you guys who showed me what to do! Could I press one step > > further, and ask how I get procmail wired in, so that I can use > > automated filtering based upon some net database like the realtime > > blackhole list? I use Pine as my MTA, and I don't want to change that, > > but I'm not sure how to shoehorn procmail into that. > > I am a bit confused because I thought you were using sendmail > as your MTA. I am, and I goofed above, I meant MUA, not MTA. I thought that the rbl thing was only for relaying, not filtering incoming mail. If your question is how to use procmail as your > local delivery agent (MDA), then just add the following to the > m4 configuration file (freebsd.mc or your customized one). > > FEATURE(local_procmail)dnl > > Add your system wide recipes to /usr/local/etc/procmailrc. > > Sendmail will use the RBL if you remove the leading `dnl' > from the > > dnl FEATURE(rbl)dnl > > line in /usr/src/sendmail/freebsd.mc. Thanks, Norman. > > -- > Regards, > Norman C. Rice, Jr. > > > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > > Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data > > chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. > > 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | > > Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current. > > (301) 220-2114 | > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current. (301) 220-2114 | ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 26 16: 4:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06EBC15198 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:04:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA61600; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:03:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:03:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: jack Cc: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: sendmail relaying In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 26 Jun 1999, jack wrote: > Today Chuck Robey wrote: > > > I thank all you guys who showed me what to do! Could I press one step > > further, and ask how I get procmail wired in, > > > cd /usr/ports/mail/procmail > make install clean > man {procmail(1), procmailrc(5), procmailsc(5), procmailex(5)} > I'll tell you something, Jack, sarcasm nearly always reflects on the user, not on the target. Think about it, it's true. > > so that I can use > > automated filtering based upon some net database like the realtime > > blackhole list? > > You don't use procmail for that, that's sendmail's job. See > /usr/src/contrib/sendmail/cf/README > Specifically > rbl Turns on rejection of hosts found in the Realtime Blackhole > List. If an argument is provided it is used as the > name sever to contact; otherwise, the main RBL server at > rbl.maps.vix.com is used. For details, see > http://maps.vix.com/rbl/. > under FEATURES But I wanted to filter incoming mail here, Jack, so I *did* want procmail. > > > I use Pine as my MTA, and I don't want to change that, > > but I'm not sure how to shoehorn procmail into that. > > Pine (a MUserA, not a MTransferAgent) has no interface with > procmail, I never said it did, I asked how to get procmail working. Well, someone else answered me. it just reads the mail that procmail has done its > things to. Sendmail can be configured to pass mail through > procmail, rather than mail.local(8) for local delivery which is > then read with pine or whatever. > > Look for procmail in the same README to have sendmail use it, or > call it from a .forward file as detailed in the procmail(1) man > page. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst > jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. > Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. > PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD > enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current. (301) 220-2114 | ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message