From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 1 3:59:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from arnold.neland.dk (mail.neland.dk [194.255.12.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C090415076 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 03:58:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arnold.neland.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA71286 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:58:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:58:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Leif Neland To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: on-line backup with generations Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'd like to make an off-site backup-server to take backup of our clients webhotels. Sometimes, a client calls saying "oh, I accidentially deleted this file 3 weeks ago, could you restore it from a backup?" Of cause we keep tapes, but I'd rather be able to do something like a cvs or rcs checkout of this directory as of date xxx. Anybody have any ideas? Can cvs do an "automatic checkin" of an entire directory tree without somebody having to add commit descriptions? And can it work transparently for the clients, so they just add, modify and delete files as they use to to with ftp? Leif To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 1 7:35:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from r2d2.pepperell.net (r2d2.pepperell.net [209.58.142.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B2D14CF1 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 07:35:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thomas@pepperell.net) Received: from localhost (thomas@localhost) by r2d2.pepperell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA34370 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:34:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Mullaney To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: telnet accounts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would like to re-extend my offer to setup free telnet access for any officer or owner of an ISP that needs an account for testing (dns, web, pings, etc). I provided accounts to many on this list on shell.totallyaddicted.com but due to a settlement which sold the company after several of the partners wanted out due to pending divorces (another reason not to have partners I guess). So send me the following and I will set it up for you. Standard AUP applys (no spam, or other annoying crap including IRC bots...irc'ing ok though). :ISP Name: :ISP Address: :ISP City, State, Zip: :ISP Phone: :ISP Fax: :ISP Primary Domain Name: :Your Name: :UID Requested (1st Choice): :UID Requested (2nd Choice): :UID Requested (3rd Choice): :Password: :Default Shell: I'll have them ready in about 24 hours. Also if anyone out there can give me a telnet account I could use one for testing purposes. Email me in private please. -- Thomas Mullaney 61B Spaulding Street Townsend, Ma 01469-1182 978.597.0158 (Voice) 978.597.3104 (Fax) -- Unix, networking, administration, consulting, programming, Internet services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 1 20:10:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.prophetnetworks.net (mail.prophetnetworks.net [63.71.252.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4F914C8F for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:10:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bvaughn@prophetnetworks.net) Received: from shell01.prophetnetworks.net (bvaughn@shell01.prophetnetworks.net [63.71.252.10]) by mail.prophetnetworks.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA90691 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:13:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bvaughn@prophetnetworks.net) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:10:05 -0500 (EST) From: Ben Vaughn To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Virtual email boxes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Im using a 3.2-stable system as a mail server, running sendmail and qpopper. I was wondering if anyone knows of a way to make virtual e-mail boxes using this system. Thanks, -biv To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 1 20:15:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns3.zoomnet.net (ns3.zoomnet.net [206.230.102.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E3F14C8F for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:15:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cygone@zoomnet.net) Received: from windows (cygone.zoomnet.net [208.32.49.7]) by ns3.zoomnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA30435; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004b01bedc94$b34ea9a0$0200000a@windows.cygone.com> From: "Mitch Vincent" To: "Ben Vaughn" Cc: Subject: Re: Virtual email boxes Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:11:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Define virtual mailboxes :-) You can use sendmail's virtual mapping to allow more than one address go to the same local user, look on www.sendmail.org at the virtual hosting documentation. -Mitch "When all your plans fail, backup, re-group and press on. The only real failure is quitting..." -----Original Message----- From: Ben Vaughn To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 11:11 PM Subject: Virtual email boxes >Hello, > Im using a 3.2-stable system as a mail server, running sendmail >and qpopper. I was wondering if anyone knows of a way to make virtual >e-mail boxes using this system. > >Thanks, >-biv > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 1 20:45: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.prophetnetworks.net (mail.prophetnetworks.net [63.71.252.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3BA14D11 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:45:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bvaughn@prophetnetworks.net) Received: from shell01.prophetnetworks.net (bvaughn@shell01.prophetnetworks.net [63.71.252.10]) by mail.prophetnetworks.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA91404; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:47:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bvaughn@prophetnetworks.net) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:44:30 -0500 (EST) From: Ben Vaughn To: Mitch Vincent Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Virtual email boxes In-Reply-To: <004b01bedc94$b34ea9a0$0200000a@windows.cygone.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mitch- By virtual email boxes, I mean smtp *and* pop capabilities. We already use virtusertable to do e-mail forwarding for other users, but we have several users who would like extra e-mail accounts and I would like to be able to provide that to them.. -biv On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Mitch Vincent wrote: > Define virtual mailboxes :-) > > You can use sendmail's virtual mapping to allow more than one address go to > the same local user, look on www.sendmail.org at the virtual hosting > documentation. > > -Mitch > > "When all your plans fail, backup, re-group and press on. The only real > failure is quitting..." > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Vaughn > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 11:11 PM > Subject: Virtual email boxes > > > >Hello, > > Im using a 3.2-stable system as a mail server, running sendmail > >and qpopper. I was wondering if anyone knows of a way to make virtual > >e-mail boxes using this system. > > > >Thanks, > >-biv > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 1 21:22:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from linux1.usls.edu (linux1.usls.edu [202.47.133.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5836C14F7E for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:22:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from francis@usls.edu) Received: by linux1.usls.edu (Postfix, from userid 500) id DD9C47610; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:21:46 +0800 (PHT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by linux1.usls.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B71760F for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:21:46 +0800 (PHT) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:21:46 +0800 (JST) From: "Francis A. Vidal" To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: web interface e-mail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, we're planning of giving our users web-interface for their e-mail and eliminate the old `telnet + pine' method. what product/program would you recommend? i'm looking for a program that can access the mailboxes via imap and pop. this machine will also handle 5K accounts. thanks! -- francis vidal university of st. la salle, bacolod city, philippines . . . . . . . PGP key available via e-mail / subject: get PGP key u s l s N E T tel. nos. (6334).435.2324 / 433.3526 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Aug 1 21:30:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns3.zoomnet.net (ns3.zoomnet.net [206.230.102.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5AE914BC9 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:30:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cygone@zoomnet.net) Received: from windows (cygone.zoomnet.net [208.32.49.7]) by ns3.zoomnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA29491; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003d01bedc9f$30652b80$0200000a@windows.cygone.com> From: "Mitch Vincent" To: "Ben Vaughn" Cc: Subject: Re: Virtual email boxes Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:26:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well in order for mail to be delivered to a user (assuming you're doing things the "standard" way and not using LDAP or something) you're going to have to add the user to the system. The term "virtual" doesn't apply here I guess. A virtual POP3 account really isn't possible, unless you were using LDAP or something and even then it wouldn't technically be virtual :-) So in summary, you have to add the user to the mail server. -Mitch "When all your plans fail, backup, re-group and press on. The only real failure is quitting..." -----Original Message----- From: Ben Vaughn To: Mitch Vincent Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 11:45 PM Subject: Re: Virtual email boxes >Mitch- > By virtual email boxes, I mean smtp *and* pop capabilities. We >already use virtusertable to do e-mail forwarding for other users, but we >have several users who would like extra e-mail accounts and I would like >to be able to provide that to them.. > >-biv > >On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Mitch Vincent wrote: > >> Define virtual mailboxes :-) >> >> You can use sendmail's virtual mapping to allow more than one address go to >> the same local user, look on www.sendmail.org at the virtual hosting >> documentation. >> >> -Mitch >> >> "When all your plans fail, backup, re-group and press on. The only real >> failure is quitting..." >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ben Vaughn >> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG >> Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 11:11 PM >> Subject: Virtual email boxes >> >> >> >Hello, >> > Im using a 3.2-stable system as a mail server, running sendmail >> >and qpopper. I was wondering if anyone knows of a way to make virtual >> >e-mail boxes using this system. >> > >> >Thanks, >> >-biv >> > >> > >> > >> >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >> > >> > >> > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 2 1:48:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from teapot21.domain3.bigpond.com (teapot21.domain3.bigpond.com [139.134.5.159]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3335D14F31 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:48:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shonson@planetquake.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot21.domain3.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ra587747 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:41:19 +1000 Received: from DVBH-T-001-p-130-230.tmns.net.au ([139.134.130.230]) by mail3.bigpond.com (Claudes-Old-Fashioned-MailRouter V2.4b 5/499627); 02 Aug 1999 18:41:19 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990802184200.008e6ca0@southcom.com.au> X-Sender: shonson@southcom.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 18:42:00 +1000 To: isp@freebsd.org From: Steven Honson Subject: Re: web interface e-mail In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A good one I have found and currently use for 800 users is called atdot, you can get it from www.atdot.org -Steven Honson At 12:21 PM 8/2/99 +0800, you wrote: >hi, > >we're planning of giving our users web-interface for their e-mail and >eliminate the old `telnet + pine' method. what product/program would you >recommend? i'm looking for a program that can access the mailboxes via >imap and pop. this machine will also handle 5K accounts. > >thanks! > >-- >francis vidal university of st. la salle, bacolod city, philippines >. . . . . . . PGP key available via e-mail / subject: get PGP key >u s l s N E T tel. nos. (6334).435.2324 / 433.3526 > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > -Steven Honson TasLUG DNS Administrator shonson@taslug.org.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 2 6:43:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.tcworks.net (ns.tcworks.net [216.61.218.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8BC150F0 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 06:43:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Received: from tcworks.net (xcess@creed.tcworks.net [216.61.218.6]) by ns.tcworks.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA08426 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:45:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Message-ID: <37A6F15E.6286577E@tcworks.net> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 08:40:46 -0500 From: Chris Cook X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: web interface e-mail References: <3.0.5.32.19990802184200.008e6ca0@southcom.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We use atdot as well with much success. It is very versatile. -- Chris Cook The Computer Works http://www.tcworks.net "The box said install Windows95, WindowsNT, Linux or better... so I installed FreeBSD!" > A good one I have found and currently use for 800 users is called atdot, > you can get it from www.atdot.org > > -Steven Honson > > At 12:21 PM 8/2/99 +0800, you wrote: > >hi, > > > >we're planning of giving our users web-interface for their e-mail and > >eliminate the old `telnet + pine' method. what product/program would you > >recommend? i'm looking for a program that can access the mailboxes via > >imap and pop. this machine will also handle 5K accounts. > > > >thanks! > > > >-- > >francis vidal university of st. la salle, bacolod city, philippines > >. . . . . . . PGP key available via e-mail / subject: get PGP key > >u s l s N E T tel. nos. (6334).435.2324 / 433.3526 > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > -Steven Honson > TasLUG DNS Administrator > shonson@taslug.org.au > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 2 9: 4:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from office.omc.net (office.omc.net [195.185.142.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82D514F0B for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:04:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from LutzRab@omc.net) Received: from lutz (lutz.omc.net [195.185.142.3]) by office.omc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA16197 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:04:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199908021604.SAA16197@office.omc.net> From: "Lutz Rabing" Organization: OMCnet IS GmbH To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:04:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Loadbalance webservers Reply-To: LutzRab@omc.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We have the problem to split the traffic to a busy website on two or more webservers. This needs to be done in a way that the client doesn't realize that there are different machines serving the same domain. We use 3.2.STABLE with apache 1.3.6/php. Is there an approach to do this under FreeBSD? I guess that yahoo.com does not have just one frontend webserver... lutz rabing -OMCnet Internet Service GmbH- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 2 9:15: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B1714FA1 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:15:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkb@shell6.ba.best.com) Received: (from jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.sh) id JAA19500; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19990802091321.A18716@best.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:13:21 -0700 From: "Jan B. Koum " To: LutzRab@omc.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Loadbalance webservers References: <199908021604.SAA16197@office.omc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199908021604.SAA16197@office.omc.net>; from Lutz Rabing on Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 06:04:32PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 06:04:32PM +0200, Lutz Rabing wrote: > > We have the problem to split the traffic to a busy website on two or > more webservers. This needs to be done in a way that the client doesn't > realize that there are different machines serving the same domain. > > We use 3.2.STABLE with apache 1.3.6/php. > > Is there an approach to do this under FreeBSD? > > I guess that yahoo.com does not have just one frontend webserver... I think right now we got about 10 machines serving for www main site using DNS load balancing... (just 'nslookup www.yahoo.com') -- Yan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 2 9:37:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ethel.basspro.com (mail.basspro.com [12.14.224.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C43814FEC for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:37:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troyk@basspro.com) Received: from netgate.basspro.com by ethel.basspro.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/29Jan96-0343PM) id AA22864; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:37:43 -0500 Message-Id: <37A5C97B.AEA99B3E@basspro.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:38:19 -0500 From: Troy Kittrell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: LutzRab@omc.net Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Loadbalance webservers References: <199908021604.SAA16197@office.omc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We looked at DNS load balancing but I wasn't at all thrilled with the problems that come from other DNS servers caching the addresses. We're using apache 1.3.6 with mod_proxy and mod_rewrite without any problems. It's easy to configure and also seems to work using it with virtual domains as well. The latter isn't in production but I've tested it under minor load and seems okay... Lutz Rabing wrote: > We have the problem to split the traffic to a busy website on two or > more webservers. This needs to be done in a way that the client doesn't > realize that there are different machines serving the same domain. > > We use 3.2.STABLE with apache 1.3.6/php. > > Is there an approach to do this under FreeBSD? > > I guess that yahoo.com does not have just one frontend webserver... > > lutz rabing > -OMCnet Internet Service GmbH- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 2 11:50:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cobia.corp.gulf.net (cobia.corp.gulf.net [206.105.61.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90AA114DEF for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:50:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phill@cobia.gulf.net) Received: from localhost (phill@localhost) by cobia.corp.gulf.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04433; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:52:49 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:52:49 -0500 (CDT) From: X-Sender: phill@cobia.corp.gulf.net To: Troy Kittrell Cc: LutzRab@omc.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Loadbalance webservers In-Reply-To: <37A5C97B.AEA99B3E@basspro.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I remember reading something on Microsoft's webpage on how they setup www.microsoft.com with a single IP, and had it hit several different machines. Maybe something like this could be done for your situation. You could possibly fake something like: |--------------| | www.site.com | | (public IP) | |--------------| _______________|_________________ | | | 10.0.0.1 10.0.0.2 10.0.0.3 You may be able to trick natd into doing something like this. Roundrobin DNS on a local network only? I know you can redirect natd to an internal machine for a certain port... it's not hard. There may be a certain program that does this, I cannot recall. --- Phillip Salzman phill@freebsd.org On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Troy Kittrell wrote: > We looked at DNS load balancing but I wasn't at all thrilled with the > problems that come from other DNS servers caching the addresses. We're > using apache 1.3.6 with mod_proxy and mod_rewrite without any problems. > It's easy to configure and also seems to work using it with virtual domains > as well. The latter isn't in production but I've tested it under minor load > and seems okay... > > Lutz Rabing wrote: > > > We have the problem to split the traffic to a busy website on two or > > more webservers. This needs to be done in a way that the client doesn't > > realize that there are different machines serving the same domain. > > > > We use 3.2.STABLE with apache 1.3.6/php. > > > > Is there an approach to do this under FreeBSD? > > > > I guess that yahoo.com does not have just one frontend webserver... > > > > lutz rabing > > -OMCnet Internet Service GmbH- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 2 12: 0: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.novastar.com (mercury.novastar.com [206.127.58.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F3514CC6 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsaib@novastar.com) Received: by mercury.novastar.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BDD07286; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.novastar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF34627E for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:58:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Benjamin Tsai Reply-To: Benjamin Tsai To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Loadbalance webservers In-Reply-To: <37A5C97B.AEA99B3E@basspro.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Consider the mod_backhand from JHU's Center for Networking and Distribution Systems. The website is at: http://www.backhand.org/ - --- Best regards, Benjamin Tsai tsaib@novastar.com PGP Key: http://www.taiwanonline.org/tsaib/pgpkey.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBN6XqWCueccpDMd5TEQJOBgCfacqrTvGOMteLCtSh26/+/GnzRmAAoM7A v4+EotP1GQ9actWzUz001OHF =0jZ2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 2 12: 2:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (deepwell.com [209.63.174.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D6B1014CCD for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:02:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@deepwell.com) Received: (qmail 9502 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 19:44:43 -0000 Received: from proxy.dcomm.net (HELO terry) (209.63.175.10) by deepwell.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 19:44:43 -0000 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990802115729.00be6ee0@mail1.dcomm.net> X-Sender: freebsd@mail.deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 12:03:44 -0700 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Deepwell Internet Subject: email configuration via web In-Reply-To: References: <37A5C97B.AEA99B3E@basspro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I'm looking to implement a new mail server to replace a post.office server. Our users have really grown accustomed to the web configuration Post.Office allows. The user can view his mail aliases, set a forwarding address (This doesn't stop pop3 delivery) and set autoresponders. I'd like to have these same web configuration features available on my new mail server. In fact, it would be nice to also have the user able to set filter rules for mail rejection, turn on or off virus scanning of attachments, etc. I'm running Postfix for the SMTP side and Univ. of Washington IMAP/POP3 for the popper/IMAP side. I'd be willing to switch to Qmail or whatever tool works, but I can't really show my users that we've improved if I'm taking configuration out of their hands. Can anyone point me in a good direction? Thanks! Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 2 12:19:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inficad.com (mail.inficad.com [207.19.74.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7028414D93 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:19:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joeym@inficad.com) Received: from exchsrvr.inficad.com (exchsrvr.inficad.com [208.204.81.4]) by mail.inficad.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA83209; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:18:34 -0700 (MST) Received: by exchsrvr.inficad.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:21:26 -0700 Message-ID: <813A3F0E2D02D211884900A0C966731EA7B18C@exchsrvr.inficad.com> From: joeym@inficad.com To: phill@cobia.gulf.net, troyk@basspro.com Cc: LutzRab@omc.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Loadbalance webservers Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:21:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Don't sure if you can trick stock NATD into doing this, but Coyote Point Systems has a product (Equalizer) based on 2.2.8's NATD (modified of course) that does load balancing like this. They also have a demo (FreeQualizer) you can play with. www.coyotepoint.com i believe. -- Joey Miller UNIX System Administrator Inficad Communications 602.265.4423 / 888.265.4423 -----Original Message----- From: phill@cobia.gulf.net [mailto:phill@cobia.gulf.net] Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 4:53 PM To: Troy Kittrell Cc: LutzRab@omc.net; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Loadbalance webservers I remember reading something on Microsoft's webpage on how they setup www.microsoft.com with a single IP, and had it hit several different machines. Maybe something like this could be done for your situation. You could possibly fake something like: |--------------| | www.site.com | | (public IP) | |--------------| _______________|_________________ | | | 10.0.0.1 10.0.0.2 10.0.0.3 You may be able to trick natd into doing something like this. Roundrobin DNS on a local network only? I know you can redirect natd to an internal machine for a certain port... it's not hard. There may be a certain program that does this, I cannot recall. --- Phillip Salzman phill@freebsd.org On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Troy Kittrell wrote: > We looked at DNS load balancing but I wasn't at all thrilled with the > problems that come from other DNS servers caching the addresses. We're > using apache 1.3.6 with mod_proxy and mod_rewrite without any problems. > It's easy to configure and also seems to work using it with virtual domains > as well. The latter isn't in production but I've tested it under minor load > and seems okay... > > Lutz Rabing wrote: > > > We have the problem to split the traffic to a busy website on two or > > more webservers. This needs to be done in a way that the client doesn't > > realize that there are different machines serving the same domain. > > > > We use 3.2.STABLE with apache 1.3.6/php. > > > > Is there an approach to do this under FreeBSD? > > > > I guess that yahoo.com does not have just one frontend webserver... > > > > lutz rabing > > -OMCnet Internet Service GmbH- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 2 14: 2:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from infoseek.com (corp-bbn.infoseek.com [204.162.96.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A558414CB7 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:02:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cshaver@infoseek.com) Received: from maude.infoseek.com (maude [198.5.210.38]) by infoseek.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA06364; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from infoseek.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by maude.infoseek.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA19169; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37A6073C.B276008@infoseek.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 14:01:48 -0700 From: "Craig W. Shaver" Reply-To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: InfoSeek Corporation, Santa Clara, CA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LutzRab@omc.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Loadbalance webservers References: <199908021849.LAA28934@cod.progroup.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Subject: Loadbalance webservers > Reply-To: LutzRab@omc.net > X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) > Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Precedence: bulk > > We have the problem to split the traffic to a busy website on two or > more webservers. This needs to be done in a way that the client doesn't > realize that there are different machines serving the same domain. > > We use 3.2.STABLE with apache 1.3.6/php. > > Is there an approach to do this under FreeBSD? > > I guess that yahoo.com does not have just one frontend webserver... > > lutz rabing > -OMCnet Internet Service GmbH- > I've seen two that work pretty well, but they are not shareware/open source. One method is to use cisco local director. The cisco people are coming out with a revision on this that allows you to run a load input back to the director from a program running at a specific port on your individual web server. That would allow you to determine a factor that tells the cisco box how loaded you are :). That could be determined by load, cpu utilization, memory usage, swap, etc. The current version of local director uses the number of connections and any predetermined heuristic that you input for load balancing. Another solution is Resonate. I am currently using that on http://translator.go.com/ for both the front ends and back ends. It is very flexible and can be configured to do all sorts of custom load balancing. It can even be used to map a single port to multiple ports. They have a version for Linux, but not for freebsd. Maybe if enough of us ask they could do one for freebsd. They seem to be pretty responsive to my questions. They run agents on multiple servers that have been ifconfig'd to answer to the same ip. The agents talk to each other and do heartbeats. One agent is the master, another is the failover scheduler, and the rest are just plain servers. This package is easy to set up and administer. I like it. -- cshaver@infoseek.com (408)543-6451 Craig Shaver, Productivity Group POB 60458 Sunnyvale, CA 94088 (650)390-0654 http://www.progroup.com/ mailto:craig@progroup.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 2 16:33:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns3.zoomnet.net (ns3.zoomnet.net [206.230.102.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8577F1501E for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:33:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cygone@zoomnet.net) Received: from windows (cygone.zoomnet.net [208.32.49.7]) by ns3.zoomnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA27671 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003b01bedd3e$e0378b80$0200000a@windows.cygone.com> From: "Mitch Vincent" To: Subject: Re: Loadbalance webservers Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:29:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Isn't the most common way of load balancing something like a web server, just round-robin DNS? I know there are several hardware solutions for load balancing, but I'd say round-robin is the most commonly used non-hardware method. -Mitch "When all your plans fail, backup, re-group and press on. The only real failure is quitting..." -----Original Message----- From: Craig W. Shaver To: LutzRab@omc.net ; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 5:04 PM Subject: Re: Loadbalance webservers > >> Subject: Loadbalance webservers >> Reply-To: LutzRab@omc.net >> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) >> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG >> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> Precedence: bulk >> >> We have the problem to split the traffic to a busy website on two or >> more webservers. This needs to be done in a way that the client doesn't >> realize that there are different machines serving the same domain. >> >> We use 3.2.STABLE with apache 1.3.6/php. >> >> Is there an approach to do this under FreeBSD? >> >> I guess that yahoo.com does not have just one frontend webserver... >> >> lutz rabing >> -OMCnet Internet Service GmbH- >> > > >I've seen two that work pretty well, but they are not shareware/open >source. One method is to use cisco local director. The cisco people >are coming out with a revision on this that allows you to run a load >input back to the director from a program running at a specific port on >your individual web server. That would allow you to determine a factor >that tells the cisco box how loaded you are :). That could be >determined by load, cpu utilization, memory usage, swap, etc. The >current version of local director uses the number of connections and any >predetermined heuristic that you input for load balancing. > >Another solution is Resonate. I am currently using that on >http://translator.go.com/ for both the front ends and back ends. It is >very flexible and can be configured to do all sorts of custom load >balancing. It can even be used to map a single port to multiple ports. >They have a version for Linux, but not for freebsd. Maybe if enough of >us ask they could do one for freebsd. They seem to be pretty responsive >to my questions. They run agents on multiple servers that have been >ifconfig'd to answer to the same ip. The agents talk to each other and >do heartbeats. One agent is the master, another is the failover >scheduler, and the rest are just plain servers. This package is easy to >set up and administer. I like it. > > > >-- >cshaver@infoseek.com (408)543-6451 >Craig Shaver, Productivity Group >POB 60458 Sunnyvale, CA 94088 (650)390-0654 >http://www.progroup.com/ mailto:craig@progroup.com > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 2 16:44:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from awfulhak.org (dynamic-101.max1-du-ws.dialnetwork.pavilion.co.uk [212.74.8.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94C61501E for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:44:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (root@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org [172.16.0.8]) by awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01353; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:51:15 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@lan.awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost.lan.Awfulhak.org [127.0.0.1]) by keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02734; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:52:23 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199908022252.XAA02734@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Ben Vaughn Cc: Mitch Vincent , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Virtual email boxes In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:44:30 CDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 23:52:23 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Mitch- > By virtual email boxes, I mean smtp *and* pop capabilities. We > already use virtusertable to do e-mail forwarding for other users, but we > have several users who would like extra e-mail accounts and I would like > to be able to provide that to them.. > > -biv [.....] I have some patches to the popper port that make it support plussed users. So for example, if user fred has domain mydomain, I can have a virtusertable saying user1@mydomain fred+user1 user2@mydomain fred+user2 @mydomain fred an aliases file saying fred+user1: /var/mail/fred+user1 fred+user2: /var/mail/fred+user2 and my popauth/popper changes allow user fred to popauth -user fred+user1 popauth -user fred+user2 popauth and then to apop fred, fred+user1 and fred+user2 using whatever passwords have been setup. Drop me a line if you want the (minor) patches. -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 2 16:50: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from unix.megared.net.mx (megared.net.mx [207.249.162.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD8A14FAC for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ales@megared.net.mx) Received: from ales (ales.megared.net.mx [207.249.163.252]) by unix.megared.net.mx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA66537; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:49:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ales@megared.net.mx) Message-ID: <014f01bedd41$b21b5120$fca3f9cf@megared.net.mx> From: "Alejandro Ramirez" To: "Mitch Vincent" , References: <003b01bedd3e$e0378b80$0200000a@windows.cygone.com> Subject: RE: Loadbalance webservers Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:49:44 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Take alook at this, it may help you: http://www.stanford.edu/~riepel/lbnamed/ Ales ----- Original Message ----- From: Mitch Vincent To: Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 6:29 PM Subject: Re: Loadbalance webservers > Isn't the most common way of load balancing something like a web server, > just round-robin DNS? > > I know there are several hardware solutions for load balancing, but I'd say > round-robin is the most commonly used non-hardware method. > > > -Mitch > > "When all your plans fail, backup, re-group and press on. The only real > failure is quitting..." > > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig W. Shaver > To: LutzRab@omc.net ; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 5:04 PM > Subject: Re: Loadbalance webservers > > > > > >> Subject: Loadbalance webservers > >> Reply-To: LutzRab@omc.net > >> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) > >> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > >> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> Precedence: bulk > >> > >> We have the problem to split the traffic to a busy website on two or > >> more webservers. This needs to be done in a way that the client doesn't > >> realize that there are different machines serving the same domain. > >> > >> We use 3.2.STABLE with apache 1.3.6/php. > >> > >> Is there an approach to do this under FreeBSD? > >> > >> I guess that yahoo.com does not have just one frontend webserver... > >> > >> lutz rabing > >> -OMCnet Internet Service GmbH- > >> > > > > > >I've seen two that work pretty well, but they are not shareware/open > >source. One method is to use cisco local director. The cisco people > >are coming out with a revision on this that allows you to run a load > >input back to the director from a program running at a specific port on > >your individual web server. That would allow you to determine a factor > >that tells the cisco box how loaded you are :). That could be > >determined by load, cpu utilization, memory usage, swap, etc. The > >current version of local director uses the number of connections and any > >predetermined heuristic that you input for load balancing. > > > >Another solution is Resonate. I am currently using that on > >http://translator.go.com/ for both the front ends and back ends. It is > >very flexible and can be configured to do all sorts of custom load > >balancing. It can even be used to map a single port to multiple ports. > >They have a version for Linux, but not for freebsd. Maybe if enough of > >us ask they could do one for freebsd. They seem to be pretty responsive > >to my questions. They run agents on multiple servers that have been > >ifconfig'd to answer to the same ip. The agents talk to each other and > >do heartbeats. One agent is the master, another is the failover > >scheduler, and the rest are just plain servers. This package is easy to > >set up and administer. I like it. > > > > > > > >-- > >cshaver@infoseek.com (408)543-6451 > >Craig Shaver, Productivity Group > >POB 60458 Sunnyvale, CA 94088 (650)390-0654 > >http://www.progroup.com/ mailto:craig@progroup.com > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 2 17: 5: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cod.progroup.com (cod.progroup.com [207.44.190.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B1F14BEE for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:04:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from craig@cod.progroup.com) Received: (from craig@localhost) by cod.progroup.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id QAA29702; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:59:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from craig) From: "Craig W. Shaver" Message-Id: <199908022359.QAA29702@cod.progroup.com> Subject: Re: Loadbalance webservers In-Reply-To: <003b01bedd3e$e0378b80$0200000a@windows.cygone.com> from Mitch Vincent at "Aug 2, 1999 7:29:32 pm" To: cygone@zoomnet.net (Mitch Vincent), freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:59:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Isn't the most common way of load balancing something like a web server, >just round-robin DNS? > >I know there are several hardware solutions for load balancing, but I'd say >round-robin is the most commonly used non-hardware method. > > >-Mitch > >"When all your plans fail, backup, re-group and press on. The only real >failure is quitting..." That was the original solution people came up with. But as some of the other responses to this thread brought out, it can have problems. If you need to balance on something other than a random selection then a hardware (or software) method works. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Craig W. Shaver del ... >> >> >>I've seen two that work pretty well, but they are not shareware/open >>source. One method is to use cisco local director. The cisco people >>are coming out with a revision on this that allows you to run a load >>input back to the director from a program running at a specific port on >>your individual web server. That would allow you to determine a factor >>that tells the cisco box how loaded you are :). That could be >>determined by load, cpu utilization, memory usage, swap, etc. The >>current version of local director uses the number of connections and any >>predetermined heuristic that you input for load balancing. >> >>Another solution is Resonate. I am currently using that on >>http://translator.go.com/ for both the front ends and back ends. It is >>very flexible and can be configured to do all sorts of custom load >>balancing. It can even be used to map a single port to multiple ports. >>They have a version for Linux, but not for freebsd. Maybe if enough of >>us ask they could do one for freebsd. They seem to be pretty responsive >>to my questions. They run agents on multiple servers that have been >>ifconfig'd to answer to the same ip. The agents talk to each other and >>do heartbeats. One agent is the master, another is the failover >>scheduler, and the rest are just plain servers. This package is easy to >>set up and administer. I like it. >> >> -- Craig Shaver, Productivity Group POB 60458 Sunnyvale, CA 94088 (650)390-0654 http://www.progroup.com/ mailto:craig@progroup.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 2 17:40:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from snafu.adept.org (adsl-63-193-112-19.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.193.112.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C1A14BDC for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:40:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@snafu.adept.org) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by snafu.adept.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06414; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:40:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Hoskins To: Lutz Rabing Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Loadbalance webservers In-Reply-To: <199908021604.SAA16197@office.omc.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Lutz Rabing wrote: > We have the problem to split the traffic to a busy website on two or > more webservers. This needs to be done in a way that the client doesn't Have you considered something like Foundry Network's ServerIron or F5 labs' BigIP? ServerIron: http://www.foundrynetworks.com/serverironspec.html BigIP: http://www.f5labs.com/bigip/index.html Later, --mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 2 17:46:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from snafu.adept.org (adsl-63-193-112-19.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.193.112.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C93C14BDC for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:46:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@snafu.adept.org) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by snafu.adept.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06431; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:45:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Hoskins To: "Jan B. Koum " Cc: LutzRab@omc.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Loadbalance webservers In-Reply-To: <19990802091321.A18716@best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Jan B. Koum wrote: > I think right now we got about 10 machines serving for www main site > using DNS load balancing... (just 'nslookup www.yahoo.com') Curious... have you guys modified DNS in some way, or do you just do standard round-robin? I've read about DNS-based approaches with low TTLs to avoid excessive caching of any single record, but how does such an approach handle downed servers w/o modification? Later, --mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 2 19: 2:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bluerose.windmoon.nu (c255152-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com [24.7.89.179]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61A014F5B for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:02:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fengyue@bluerose.windmoon.nu) Received: from localhost (fengyue@localhost) by bluerose.windmoon.nu (Windmoon-Patched/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16812 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:57:32 -0700 (PDT) From: =?ISO-9550?B?o8C359TCv82jwA==?= To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: High-end FreeBSD configration suggestion needed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Guys, we're looking at getting a high-end freebsd server. What we have in mind is a Dual PIII-500/550mhz with RAID The OS will be FreeBSD 3.2 Can anyone give me some recommedation on what type of motherboard, RAID controller to get...etc? Thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 2 19:56:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from snafu.adept.org (adsl-63-193-112-19.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.193.112.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C838914F5B for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:56:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@snafu.adept.org) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by snafu.adept.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08308; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:56:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Hoskins To: =?ISO-9550?B?o8C359TCv82jwA==?= Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: High-end FreeBSD configration suggestion needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, [ISO-9550] =A3=C0=B7=E7=D4=C2=BF=CD=A3=C0 wrote: > Can anyone give me some recommedation on what type of=20 > motherboard, RAID controller to get...etc? On the motherboard side, I've heard good things about Gigabyte, and personally like Asus. On the RAID side, I've used and like (and, more importantly, the FreeBSD Project uses...) Mylex. Later, --mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Aug 2 20:49:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from demai02.mw.mediaone.net (demai02.mw.mediaone.net [24.131.1.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2861521A for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:49:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mtaylor@cybernet.com) Received: from cybernet.com (nic-c12-242.mw.mediaone.net [24.131.12.242]) by demai02.mw.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA10366; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37A666D3.3C6E8AFF@cybernet.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 23:49:39 -0400 From: "Mark J. Taylor" Organization: Cybernet Systems Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-9550?B?o8C359TCv82jwA==?= Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: High-end FreeBSD configration suggestion needed References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you are going for a RAID5 solution: Make sure that it is a totally hardware RAID solution, for now. AFAIK, FreeBSD does not support any RAID5 card (in RAID mode) except the DPT SmartRaid IV, which is broken hardware- it does not seem to generate completion interrupts (Simon Shapiro can correct me if I'm wrong here) when in a RAID5 configuration, which causes extremely poor read and write performance. Simon is currently working on an I2O driver for the DPT SmartRaid V (et.al.) which should have better results. (We have one of the SmartRaid IV cards, and all that DPT can tell us is that it is a "known problem".) I'd use some external SCSI RAID5 tower that looked to any OS like a single SCSI disk. I belive that wcarchive has this kind of configuration. I don't have any specific recommendations in this area... Perhaps shortly (if I can convince the people here), we will see a public release of the vinum RAID5 software module. This decision is mostly in the hands of Lauren Works (lworks@cybernet.com). Please poke her with email if you'd like to see this feature unencumbered (Greg Lehey [grog@lemis.com]) wrote this for Cybernet under contract). Tell her I said "Hi". ;) -Mark Taylor NetMAX Developer mtaylor@cybernet.com NetMAX does FreeBSD 3.2! NetMAX does Linux 2.0.37/RedHat 5.2! http://www.netmax.com/ =?ISO-9550?B?o8C359TCv82jwA==?= wrote: > > Guys, we're looking at getting a high-end freebsd server. > What we have in mind is a Dual PIII-500/550mhz with RAID > The OS will be FreeBSD 3.2 > > Can anyone give me some recommedation on what type of > motherboard, RAID controller to get...etc? > > Thanks! > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 3 5:47:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64D615246 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 05:47:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA05035; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:47:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:47:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Hovey To: Mitch Vincent Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Loadbalance webservers In-Reply-To: <003b01bedd3e$e0378b80$0200000a@windows.cygone.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone know a good place they can point me to for the how-tos of round robin DNS? On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Mitch Vincent wrote: > Isn't the most common way of load balancing something like a web server, > just round-robin DNS? > > I know there are several hardware solutions for load balancing, but I'd say > round-robin is the most commonly used non-hardware method. > > > -Mitch > > "When all your plans fail, backup, re-group and press on. The only real > failure is quitting..." > > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig W. Shaver > To: LutzRab@omc.net ; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 5:04 PM > Subject: Re: Loadbalance webservers > > > > > >> Subject: Loadbalance webservers > >> Reply-To: LutzRab@omc.net > >> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) > >> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > >> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> Precedence: bulk > >> > >> We have the problem to split the traffic to a busy website on two or > >> more webservers. This needs to be done in a way that the client doesn't > >> realize that there are different machines serving the same domain. > >> > >> We use 3.2.STABLE with apache 1.3.6/php. > >> > >> Is there an approach to do this under FreeBSD? > >> > >> I guess that yahoo.com does not have just one frontend webserver... > >> > >> lutz rabing > >> -OMCnet Internet Service GmbH- > >> > > > > > >I've seen two that work pretty well, but they are not shareware/open > >source. One method is to use cisco local director. The cisco people > >are coming out with a revision on this that allows you to run a load > >input back to the director from a program running at a specific port on > >your individual web server. That would allow you to determine a factor > >that tells the cisco box how loaded you are :). That could be > >determined by load, cpu utilization, memory usage, swap, etc. The > >current version of local director uses the number of connections and any > >predetermined heuristic that you input for load balancing. > > > >Another solution is Resonate. I am currently using that on > >http://translator.go.com/ for both the front ends and back ends. It is > >very flexible and can be configured to do all sorts of custom load > >balancing. It can even be used to map a single port to multiple ports. > >They have a version for Linux, but not for freebsd. Maybe if enough of > >us ask they could do one for freebsd. They seem to be pretty responsive > >to my questions. They run agents on multiple servers that have been > >ifconfig'd to answer to the same ip. The agents talk to each other and > >do heartbeats. One agent is the master, another is the failover > >scheduler, and the rest are just plain servers. This package is easy to > >set up and administer. I like it. > > > > > > > >-- > >cshaver@infoseek.com (408)543-6451 > >Craig Shaver, Productivity Group > >POB 60458 Sunnyvale, CA 94088 (650)390-0654 > >http://www.progroup.com/ mailto:craig@progroup.com > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 3 7:38: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from Samizdat.uucom.com (samizdat.uucom.com [198.202.217.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6868914D85 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:37:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cshenton@uucom.com) Received: (from cshenton@localhost) by Samizdat.uucom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22143; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:36:47 -0400 (EDT) To: Mike Hoskins Cc: "Jan B. Koum " , LutzRab@omc.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Loadbalance webservers References: User-Agent: SEMI/1.13.3 (Komaiko) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) Emacs/20.3 (i386-pc-solaris2.7) MULE/4.0 (HANANOEN) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.13.3 - "Komaiko") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Chris Shenton Date: 03 Aug 1999 10:36:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: Mike Hoskins's message of "Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:45:55 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 38 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 20.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Jan B. Koum wrote: >> I think right now we got about 10 machines serving for www main >> site using DNS load balancing... (just 'nslookup www.yahoo.com') On Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:45:55 -0700 (PDT), Mike Hoskins said: Mike> Curious... have you guys modified DNS in some way, or do you Mike> just do standard round-robin? I've read about DNS-based Mike> approaches with low TTLs to avoid excessive caching of any Mike> single record, but how does such an approach handle downed Mike> servers w/o modification? Unfortunately, most of the web clients out there are brain damaged and don't respect the resource record TTL. This means that once they get an answer, they'll keep going back to the same server -- even if it's down. Hardly "balanced" :-(. There are affodable balancer boxes from Coyote Point ($4k) and Foundry ($6K). Another big players is BIG/ip (F5 Labs) -- they're a bit more pricey but they're more flexible. I've played with the Foundry and BIG/ip and for the price, I like the Foundry a lot for basic balancing. For free, check out the eddieware.org project. I've not got it configured yet so I can't comment on how it works. But it's trying to do what the other folks are doing. Oh, if you're doing SSL, you'll have more work. Some clients from the Pacific Northwest have broken implementations of SSLv3. This is important because you need v3 to do SSL session tracking; v2 buried the session ID in the crypto-blob so you can't see it. I presume this is why Amazon and others have their server *require* v2, so they can avoid the MSIE hang-ups, but then they lose the Session ID. I still haven't found an affordable way to handle that, tho IPivot's SSL accellerators will do it for a price. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 3 7:47:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from metva.com.au (metva.metva.com.au [202.0.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF8B14D85 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:47:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from enno.davids@metva.com.au) Received: (from enno@localhost) by metva.com.au id AAA01245; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:45:49 +1000 (EST) From: Enno Davids Message-Id: <199908031445.AAA01245@metva.com.au> Subject: Re: Loadbalance webservers In-Reply-To: from Steve Hovey at "Aug 3, 99 08:47:16 am" To: shovey@buffnet.net (Steve Hovey) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:45:48 +1000 (EST) Cc: cygone@zoomnet.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org | From: Steve Hovey | | Anyone know a good place they can point me to for the how-tos of round | robin DNS? | | On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Mitch Vincent wrote: | | > Isn't the most common way of load balancing something like a web server, | > just round-robin DNS? | > | > I know there are several hardware solutions for load balancing, but I'd say | > round-robin is the most commonly used non-hardware method. Unless you're using a very old bind you just put more than one A record against the name in the zone file. The server serves the addresses as a list with random ordering and the client is also supposed to choose randomly from any list it receives. So in short, www IN A 192.9.200.1 IN A 192.9.200.129 or some variation of this theme in the zone file is all you need. Enno. ------- Enno Davids Metva P/L, P.O.Box 2669, Phone: +61 3 9583 5474 enno.davids@metva.com.au Cheltenham 3192, Australia Mobile: +61 15 316 522 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 3 9:37:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from banshee.nunanet.com (banshee.nunanet.com [199.247.47.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126B114C42 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:37:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mmason@nunanet.com) Received: from banshee.nunanet.com (IDENT:mmason@banshee.nunanet.com [199.247.47.18]) by banshee.nunanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA12363; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:29:37 -0400 From: Marcel Mason Reply-To: mmason@nunanet.com Organization: Nunanet Communications To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: IP Aliasing Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:15:46 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.20] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99080312293700.12353@banshee.nunanet.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (from one new to IP aliasing) Went through the archives and think I'm on the right track but I would like confirmation before I potentially botch something vompletely. We have a class C license on a server with lo0 setup as xxx.xxx.xx.3 and a gateway of xxx.xxx.xx.12 The first portion of the class c is just about full and I would like to use the xxx.xxx.xx.32 - 63 for virtual hosting. I think, based on what I've read that I would make (for example) the following entry in the /etc/rc.conf file ifconfig lo0 xxx.xxx.xx.33 netmask 255.255.255.255 alias and thereby be able to use that IP address the same as any of the addresses between xxx.xxx.xx.0 - 31. Yes/No? If yes does this mean that I would have to make individual entries in the rc.conf file for each IP address I would like to use between xxx.xxx.xx.32 - 63? or is there a better way which would allow me to point all addresses between xxx.xxx.xx.32 - 63 to lo0 with a single entry? Alternatively I could make the entries in the etc/rc.conf.local file and use that file for this specific purpose which would make for more managable file organization. M Mason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 3 10:19:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from members.activetech.net (members.activetech.net [209.81.201.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D3314D2C for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:19:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@activetech.net) Received: from wybitny (wybitny.activetech.net [209.81.201.10]) by members.activetech.net (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA22733 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:26:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000b01beddd3$b535ea40$0ac951d1@activetech.net> From: "Kris Kedzierski" To: "FreeBSD-ISP List" Subject: Sendmail Pro and FreeBSD 3.2 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:14:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey, I have a question for anyone who is possibly running a Sendmail Pro 8.9.3 and FBSD 3.2. We have it here running on a 2.2.8 but Sendmail doesnt recommend running 3.2. I want to upgrade our servers to 3.2 but they wont tell me what doesnt work. Thanx Kris Kedzierski Activetech kris@activetech.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 3 13:40:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from troi.csw.net (troi.csw.net [209.136.192.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE20114FF6 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:40:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lambert@cswnet.com) Received: from ssaos2.csw.net (ssaos2.csw.net [209.136.201.13]) by troi.csw.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA35003 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:39:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from lambert@cswnet.com) Message-Id: <199908032039.PAA35003@troi.csw.net> From: lambert@cswnet.com Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:31:08 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Creating a shell server X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm about to replace my aging www/shell/private ftp Linux server with a new 3.2-STABLE machine. I didn't setup the current Linux server so I'm not sure what logic went into the choice of applications that are currently installed. I haven't seen any of my users actively using emacs but every college kid taking a *ix class winds up running it at least once. I, personally, have never used it. The emacs port wants XFree86 installed. It is not currently installed on my new box due to the KISS protocol. Do I want to add another 40MB of bloat just to enable a little used editor/environment that also fits into the bloatware category? Is it safe to have X installed on a public access system? Is emacs safe in these circumstances? -- Scott Lambert lambert@warped.cswnet.com Systems and Security Administrator CSW Net, Inc. ================================================================ Written: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 - 03:31 PM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 3 15:36:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from loki.intrepid.net (intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2314214D97 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:36:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@loki.intrepid.net) Received: (from mark@localhost) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA13257; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:34:38 -0400 Message-ID: <19990803183438.D5837@intrepid.net> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:34:38 -0400 From: Mark Conway Wirt To: lambert@cswnet.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Creating a shell server References: <199908032039.PAA35003@troi.csw.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: <199908032039.PAA35003@troi.csw.net>; from lambert@cswnet.com on Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 03:31:08PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 03:31:08PM -0500, lambert@cswnet.com wrote: > > I haven't seen any of my users actively using emacs but every > college kid taking a *ix class winds up running it at least once. > I, personally, have never used it. The emacs port wants XFree86 > installed. It is not currently installed on my new box due to the > KISS protocol. Do I want to add another 40MB of bloat just to > enable a little used editor/environment that also fits into the > bloatware category? Is it safe to have X installed on a public > access system? Is emacs safe in these circumstances? Emacs can be complied without X support -- many Linux distributions have two versions you can install: 1 with X, and one without X. If you want to keep it simple and keep X off the machine (which is a good idea) you should be able to compile the no-X version from the ports collection directly. While I haven't tried it, my guess is that it should be as simple as changing the CONFIGURE_ARGS= --with-x-toolkit --sharedstatedir=/var/run in the Makefile to CONFIGURE_ARGS= --sharedstatedir=/var/run and then "make all install"ing it. --Mark -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 3 16:34: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.tcworks.net (ns.tcworks.net [216.61.218.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071A514C46 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:34:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Received: from tcworks.net (xcess@creed.tcworks.net [216.61.218.6]) by ns.tcworks.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA89327; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:35:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Message-ID: <37A8CD36.E22E3BFF@tcworks.net> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 18:31:03 -0500 From: Chris Cook X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mmason@nunanet.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IP Aliasing References: <99080312293700.12353@banshee.nunanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marcel Mason wrote: > > I think, based on what I've read that I would make (for example) the following > entry in the /etc/rc.conf file > > ifconfig lo0 xxx.xxx.xx.33 netmask 255.255.255.255 alias ifconfig lo0 alias xxx.xxx.xx.33 works for me, although I do not profess it to be the "correct" syntax. It should keep the same netmask that is already bound to the adapter. > and thereby be able to use that IP address the same as any of the addresses > between xxx.xxx.xx.0 - 31. Yes/No? Yes. > > If yes does this mean that I would have to make individual entries > in the rc.conf file for each IP address I would like to use between > xxx.xxx.xx.32 - 63? You could do that, but I use a script which loads at startup, it's cleaner and easier to maintain. > or is there a better way which would allow me to point all > addresses between xxx.xxx.xx.32 - 63 to lo0 with a single entry? If there is, please let me know. Hope my 2cents helps. -- Chris Cook Network Administrator The Computer Works http://www.tcworks.net http://www.tcworks.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 3 19:28: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from forty-two.egroups.net (teapot.findmail.com [206.16.70.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B372152A5 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:28:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@forty-two.egroups.net) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by forty-two.egroups.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) id TAA09500; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:26:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:26:52 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: Steve Hovey Cc: Mitch Vincent , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Loadbalance webservers Message-ID: <19990803192652.N91284@forty-two.egroups.net> References: <003b01bedd3e$e0378b80$0200000a@windows.cygone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Steve Hovey on Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 08:47:16AM -0400 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 08:47:16AM -0400, Steve Hovey wrote: > > Anyone know a good place they can point me to for the how-tos of round > robin DNS? O'Reilly Publishing, "DNS and Bind", 3rd edition, p. 259. Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Heisenberg might have been here. mailto:gsutter@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 3 20: 8:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from snafu.adept.org (adsl-63-193-112-19.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.193.112.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3922914EF6 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:08:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@snafu.adept.org) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by snafu.adept.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13630; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:08:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Hoskins To: Gregory Sutter Cc: Steve Hovey , Mitch Vincent , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Loadbalance webservers In-Reply-To: <19990803192652.N91284@forty-two.egroups.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Gregory Sutter wrote: > > Anyone know a good place they can point me to for the how-tos of round > > robin DNS? > O'Reilly Publishing, "DNS and Bind", 3rd edition, p. 259. Also, note that this is eqivalent to 'static routing'... If a box goes down, DNS won't care... it'll still shuffle the traffic across the downed box's A record... with a large number of machines in a cluster, that may not matter, but with 2, 3, 4... you can loose a lot of traffic. That's why hardware solutions (or other software solutions) are typically implemented by companies requiring high resource availability. --Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 3 21:19: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from linux1.usls.edu (linux1.usls.edu [202.47.133.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E2814FC7 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:18:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from francis@usls.edu) Received: by linux1.usls.edu (Postfix, from userid 500) id DEFA17611; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:26:11 +0800 (PHT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by linux1.usls.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F7475BC; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:26:11 +0800 (PHT) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:26:11 +0800 (JST) From: "Francis A. Vidal" To: Gregory Sutter Cc: Steve Hovey , Mitch Vincent , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Loadbalance webservers In-Reply-To: <19990803192652.N91284@forty-two.egroups.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Gregory Sutter wrote: > On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 08:47:16AM -0400, Steve Hovey wrote: > > > > Anyone know a good place they can point me to for the how-tos of round > > robin DNS? > > O'Reilly Publishing, "DNS and Bind", 3rd edition, p. 259. try the following sites: Internet Software Consortium Ask Mr. DNS -- francis vidal university of st. la salle, bacolod city, philippines . . . . . . . PGP key available via e-mail / subject: get PGP key u s l s N E T tel. nos. (6334).435.2324 / 433.3526 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Aug 3 23:24:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from main.piter.net (main.piter.net [195.201.22.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07BE215320 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:24:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cyril@main.piter.net) Received: (from cyril@localhost) by main.piter.net (8.9.3/8.5.2/sply) id KAA19896; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:30:11 +0400 (MSD) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:30:11 +0400 (MSD) From: "Cyril A. Vechera" Message-Id: <199908040630.KAA19896@main.piter.net> To: mike@snafu.adept.org Subject: Re: Loadbalance webservers Cc: , , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, Hovey@main.piter.net, Mitch@main.piter.net, Steve@main.piter.net, Vincent@main.piter.net Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:08:04 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mike Hoskins > > On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Gregory Sutter wrote: > > > > Anyone know a good place they can point me to for the how-tos of round > > > robin DNS? > > O'Reilly Publishing, "DNS and Bind", 3rd edition, p. 259. > > Also, note that this is eqivalent to 'static routing'... If a box goes > down, DNS won't care... it'll still shuffle the traffic across the downed > box's A record... with a large number of machines in a cluster, that may > not matter, but with 2, 3, 4... you can loose a lot of traffic. > > That's why hardware solutions (or other software solutions) are typically > implemented by companies requiring high resource availability. In most cases if the box is down it not makes a problem. Squid and most of web-clients are rolling over all given ip-addresses for host name and tries to connect until they got success. It seems, that there are no any reasons for other programms to not implement this scheme. So, IMO, plain DNS loadbalanicing for www-server is good enough. Sincerely your, Cyril A. Vechera email:cyril@piter.net --------- http://sply.piter.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 4 6:53:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from fanf.noc.demon.net (fanf.noc.demon.net [195.11.55.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F20B14C46 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:53:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fanf@demon.net) Received: from fanf by fanf.noc.demon.net with local (Exim 3.02 #13) id 11C1TU-000GpM-00; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 14:52:56 +0100 To: ccook@tcworks.net From: Tony Finch Cc: mmason@nunanet.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IP Aliasing In-Reply-To: <37A8CD36.E22E3BFF@tcworks.net> References: <99080312293700.12353@banshee.nunanet.com> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 14:52:56 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chris Cook wrote: >Marcel Mason wrote: > >> is there a better way which would allow me to point all >> addresses between xxx.xxx.xx.32 - 63 to lo0 with a single entry? > >If there is, please let me know. PR#12071 We use this at Demon on several machines, some of which have 96K IP addresses configured with three aliases (a /16 and two /18s). Tony. -- f.a.n.finch dot@dotat.at fanf@demon.net e pluribus unix To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 4 7:40:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from elara.frii.com (elara.frii.com [216.17.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B5C15153 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:40:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jott@frii.net) Received: from localhost (jott@localhost) by elara.frii.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03198; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:39:10 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: elara.frii.com: jott owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:39:10 -0600 (MDT) From: Jake Ott X-Sender: jott@elara.frii.com To: Lutz Rabing Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Loadbalance webservers In-Reply-To: <199908021604.SAA16197@office.omc.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We use the Foundry Server Iron. (http://www.foundrynet.com) It was a little bit of a chore to setup, but its working great for load balanceing all of our virtual domains. (600+). We currently load balance over 2 servers, and we're looking at adding a third. Performance wise, it's pretty unbeatable for the price. It balances by port, not by ip, so you can fail certian ports on certian servers without anyone noticeing. (i.e. fail just ftp not web) -Jake Systems Administrator Front Range Internet 970.224.3668 x221 On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Lutz Rabing wrote: > > We have the problem to split the traffic to a busy website on two or > more webservers. This needs to be done in a way that the client doesn't > realize that there are different machines serving the same domain. > > We use 3.2.STABLE with apache 1.3.6/php. > > Is there an approach to do this under FreeBSD? > > I guess that yahoo.com does not have just one frontend webserver... > > > lutz rabing > -OMCnet Internet Service GmbH- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 4 8:24:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from abc.aaa-mainstreet.nl (abc.aaa-mainstreet.nl [195.64.77.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C47214E3B for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:24:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary@hotlava.com) Received: (qmail 15201 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 1999 15:52:36 -0000 Date: 4 Aug 1999 15:52:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19990804155236.15200.qmail@abc.aaa-mainstreet.nl> From: "Gary Howland" To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: web interface e-mail Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, We use 'twig' for web based email for our users. We have customised this to allow qmail alias configuration, vacation program settings and autoresponders. The interface is still somewhat lacking, especially when used with large numbers of mailboxes, and the performance is poor - we are working on it ... Gary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 4 8:24:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from abc.aaa-mainstreet.nl (abc.aaa-mainstreet.nl [195.64.77.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B6CFC153CC for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:24:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary@hotlava.com) Received: (qmail 15201 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 1999 15:52:36 -0000 Date: 4 Aug 1999 15:52:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19990804155236.15200.qmail@abc.aaa-mainstreet.nl> From: "Gary Howland" To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: web interface e-mail Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, We use 'twig' for web based email for our users. We have customised this to allow qmail alias configuration, vacation program settings and autoresponders. The interface is still somewhat lacking, especially when used with large numbers of mailboxes, and the performance is poor - we are working on it ... Gary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 4 14:26:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from rs3s4.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (rs3s4.datacenter.cha.cantv.net [200.44.32.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93391527E; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:26:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luis@cantv.net) Received: from cantv.net (ws-36.chacao-01.int.cantv.net [200.44.44.52]) by rs3s4.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.0) with ESMTP id RAA00221; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:25:14 -0400 (VET) Message-ID: <37A8AF77.7515952F@cantv.net> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 17:24:07 -0400 From: Luis Moreno X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Troubles with Apache on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello there. I´m runing Apache Web Server/1.3.0 with Ben-SSL/1.19 and FrontPage/3.0.4.2 PHP/3.0.6 on FreeBSD 2.2.6 A snapshot of the head of top command is like this: Last pid: 8175; load averages: 0.71, 0.19, 0.06 17:15:22 126 processes: 2 running, 124 sleeping CPU states: 3.1% user, 0.0% nice, 3.5% system, 1.2% interrupt, 92.2% idle Mem: 137M Active, 44M Inact, 30M Wired, 39M Cache, 8348K Buf, 788K Free Swap: 512M Total, 64K Used, 512M Free The server seems to be ok, but eventualy I´m geting problems with the execution of cgi script´s. This is the error message from the error Apache logs [Wed Aug 4 17:13:17 1999] [error] (35)Resource temporarily unavailable: couldn't spawn child process: /var/www/cgi-bin/Count.cgi Did anybody get´s the same? Thanks in advance for yor help. Luis. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 4 14:55:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tinker.com (troll.tinker.com [204.214.7.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ABE7152A2; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:55:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from carol@tinker.com) Received: by localhost (8.8.5/8.8.5) Received: by mail.tinker.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016147; Wed Aug 4 16:38:37 1999 Received: by localhost (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12909; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:52:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37A8B6A0.886134D9@tinker.com> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 16:54:40 -0500 From: Carol Deihl Organization: Shrier and Deihl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luis Moreno Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Troubles with Apache on FreeBSD References: <37A8AF77.7515952F@cantv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mailhub.tinker.com id QAA12909 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Luis, It's likely that the "limit" for number of processes is being exceeded. From a csh (not an sh), as root, execute these commands: limit limit -h The "-h" version gives the hard limits that are compiled in the kernel, while the plain version gives the "soft" limits (e.g. what it's running with now). When I ran into this same problem, I foung that the hard limit for maxproc was 2067, while the soft limit was only 64. The solution is to start your web server from a csh script (not an sh script, since sh on 2.2.x FBSD doesn't have a limit command). In the script, put something like limit maxproc 1024 (or some value less than the number you found with limit -h) before the command that starts the web server. This resolved our problem. Interesting, when we ran into the problem, it was when there were about 133 processes running (similar to your 126). Hope this helps, Carol Luis Moreno wrote: >=20 > Hello there. >=20 > I=B4m runing Apache Web Server/1.3.0 with Ben-SSL/1.19 and > FrontPage/3.0.4.2 PHP/3.0.6 on FreeBSD 2.2.6 >=20 > A snapshot of the head of top command is like this: > Last pid: 8175; load averages: 0.71, 0.19, 0.06 > 17:15:22 > 126 processes: 2 running, 124 sleeping CPU states: 3.1% user, 0.0% > nice, 3.5% system, 1.2% interrupt, 92.2% idle > Mem: 137M Active, 44M Inact, 30M Wired, 39M Cache, 8348K Buf, 788K Free > Swap: 512M Total, 64K Used, 512M Free >=20 > The server seems to be ok, but eventualy I=B4m geting problems with the > execution of cgi script=B4s. This is the error message from the error > Apache logs > [Wed Aug 4 17:13:17 1999] [error] (35)Resource temporarily unavailable= : > couldn't spawn child process: /var/www/cgi-bin/Count.cgi >=20 > Did anybody get=B4s the same? >=20 > Thanks in advance for yor help. >=20 > Luis. >=20 --=20 Carol Deihl - carol@tinker.com Shrier and Deihl - Unix Network Admin and Internet Software Development http://www.tinker.com/ - Tinker Internet Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 4 15: 7:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns3.zoomnet.net (ns3.zoomnet.net [206.230.102.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1846154F2 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:07:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cygone@zoomnet.net) Received: from windows (cygone.zoomnet.net [208.32.49.7]) by ns3.zoomnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA00367; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001601bedec5$3129d020$0200000a@windows.cygone.com> From: "Mitch Vincent" To: "Luis Moreno" Cc: Subject: Re: Troubles with Apache on FreeBSD Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:03:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You're probably running out of FDs (File descriptors). Try setting the limit higher. And upgrade all of this : >I´m runing Apache Web Server/1.3.0 with Ben-SSL/1.19 and >FrontPage/3.0.4.2 PHP/3.0.6 on FreeBSD 2.2.6 The bug fixes in the packages are well worth it. PHP3.0.12 in the 3 series is out and even PHP4 beta 2 is out. Apache 1.3.7 is going to be released soon, 1.3.6 is already out and has been for a long time. FreeBSD 3.2 is out, major improvements there. FP is surely to have a more recent version out, as well as the SSL patch. -Mitch "When all your plans fail, backup, re-group and press on. The only real failure is quitting..." -----Original Message----- From: Luis Moreno To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 5:28 PM Subject: Troubles with Apache on FreeBSD >Hello there. > >I´m runing Apache Web Server/1.3.0 with Ben-SSL/1.19 and >FrontPage/3.0.4.2 PHP/3.0.6 on FreeBSD 2.2.6 > >A snapshot of the head of top command is like this: >Last pid: 8175; load averages: 0.71, 0.19, 0.06 >17:15:22 >126 processes: 2 running, 124 sleeping CPU states: 3.1% user, 0.0% >nice, 3.5% system, 1.2% interrupt, 92.2% idle >Mem: 137M Active, 44M Inact, 30M Wired, 39M Cache, 8348K Buf, 788K Free >Swap: 512M Total, 64K Used, 512M Free > >The server seems to be ok, but eventualy I´m geting problems with the >execution of cgi script´s. This is the error message from the error >Apache logs >[Wed Aug 4 17:13:17 1999] [error] (35)Resource temporarily unavailable: >couldn't spawn child process: /var/www/cgi-bin/Count.cgi > >Did anybody get´s the same? > >Thanks in advance for yor help. > >Luis. > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 4 15:57:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.knight-trosoft.com (mail.knight-trosoft.com [209.180.70.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB7514D7D; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:57:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johnp@knight-trosoft.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by mail.knight-trosoft.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id RAA28759; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:56:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:56:03 -0500 (CDT) From: John Prince Message-Id: <199908042256.RAA28759@mail.knight-trosoft.com> To: carol@tinker.com, luis@cantv.net Subject: Re: Troubles with Apache on FreeBSD Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <37A8B6A0.886134D9@tinker.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You can view/change limits with `sh'. ulimit Soft Limits ulimit -H Hard Limits.. Further info .. man sh look for ulimit. --john > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 4 16:57:30 1999 > Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 16:54:40 -0500 > From: Carol Deihl > To: Luis Moreno > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Troubles with Apache on FreeBSD > > Hi Luis, > > It's likely that the "limit" for number of processes is being > exceeded. From a csh (not an sh), as root, execute these commands: > limit > limit -h > The "-h" version gives the hard limits that are compiled in the > kernel, while the plain version gives the "soft" limits (e.g. what > it's running with now). When I ran into this same problem, I > foung that the hard limit for maxproc was 2067, while the soft > limit was only 64. > > The solution is to start your web server from a csh script (not > an sh script, since sh on 2.2.x FBSD doesn't have a limit command). > In the script, put something like > limit maxproc 1024 > (or some value less than the number you found with limit -h) > before the command that starts the web server. This resolved our > problem. Interesting, when we ran into the problem, it was when > there were about 133 processes running (similar to your 126). > > Hope this helps, > Carol > > > Luis Moreno wrote: > > > > Hello there. > > > > I´m runing Apache Web Server/1.3.0 with Ben-SSL/1.19 and > > FrontPage/3.0.4.2 PHP/3.0.6 on FreeBSD 2.2.6 > > > > A snapshot of the head of top command is like this: > > Last pid: 8175; load averages: 0.71, 0.19, 0.06 > > 17:15:22 > > 126 processes: 2 running, 124 sleeping CPU states: 3.1% user, 0.0% > > nice, 3.5% system, 1.2% interrupt, 92.2% idle > > Mem: 137M Active, 44M Inact, 30M Wired, 39M Cache, 8348K Buf, 788K Free > > Swap: 512M Total, 64K Used, 512M Free > > > > The server seems to be ok, but eventualy I´m geting problems with the > > execution of cgi script´s. This is the error message from the error > > Apache logs > > [Wed Aug 4 17:13:17 1999] [error] (35)Resource temporarily unavailable: > > couldn't spawn child process: /var/www/cgi-bin/Count.cgi > > > > Did anybody get´s the same? > > > > Thanks in advance for yor help. > > > > Luis. > > > -- > Carol Deihl - carol@tinker.com > Shrier and Deihl - Unix Network Admin and Internet Software Development > http://www.tinker.com/ - Tinker Internet Services > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 4 16: 8:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from genesis.setjmp.net (genesis.setjmp.net [208.13.245.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1309815211 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:08:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eric@cfpower.com) Received: from Apophis (eric@[10.0.0.193]) by genesis.setjmp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA23367; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:07:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from eric@cfpower.com) Message-ID: <01d401bedecd$ed857140$c100000a@cfpower.com> Reply-To: "Eric A. Griff" From: "Eric A. Griff" To: "Mitch Vincent" , "Ben Vaughn" Cc: References: <003d01bedc9f$30652b80$0200000a@windows.cygone.com> Subject: Re: Virtual email boxes Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:05:58 -0400 Organization: CFPower MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Folks! Any reason that modifying pop to use user@domain.com for a username, and a custom MTA in sendmail to put domains in separate dirs, and LDAP wouldn't work? Eric A. Griff , http://www.setjmp.com setjmp Software Your source for custom 181 Genesee Street Software Solutions. Suite 504 Utica, NY 13501 ICQ# 28146852 Office: (315) 734-1668 Extension 205 Home: (315) 495-2385 (seldom) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mitch Vincent To: Ben Vaughn Cc: Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 12:26 AM Subject: Re: Virtual email boxes > Well in order for mail to be delivered to a user (assuming you're doing > things the "standard" way and not using LDAP or something) you're going to > have to add the user to the system. The term "virtual" doesn't apply here I > guess. A virtual POP3 account really isn't possible, unless you were using > LDAP or something and even then it wouldn't technically be virtual :-) > > So in summary, you have to add the user to the mail server. > > -Mitch > > "When all your plans fail, backup, re-group and press on. The only real > failure is quitting..." > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Vaughn > To: Mitch Vincent > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 11:45 PM > Subject: Re: Virtual email boxes > > > >Mitch- > > By virtual email boxes, I mean smtp *and* pop capabilities. We > >already use virtusertable to do e-mail forwarding for other users, but we > >have several users who would like extra e-mail accounts and I would like > >to be able to provide that to them.. > > > >-biv > > > >On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Mitch Vincent wrote: > > > >> Define virtual mailboxes :-) > >> > >> You can use sendmail's virtual mapping to allow more than one address go > to > >> the same local user, look on www.sendmail.org at the virtual hosting > >> documentation. > >> > >> -Mitch > >> > >> "When all your plans fail, backup, re-group and press on. The only real > >> failure is quitting..." > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Ben Vaughn > >> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > >> Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 11:11 PM > >> Subject: Virtual email boxes > >> > >> > >> >Hello, > >> > Im using a 3.2-stable system as a mail server, running sendmail > >> >and qpopper. I was wondering if anyone knows of a way to make virtual > >> >e-mail boxes using this system. > >> > > >> >Thanks, > >> >-biv > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >> >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 4 17:24:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from stumpy.dannyland.org (stumpy.dannyland.org [209.157.133.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26BC815496 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:24:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyman@stumpy.dannyland.org) Received: by stumpy.dannyland.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D6D4A3C5D; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:23:59 -0700 From: dannyman To: lambert@cswnet.com Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Creating a shell server Message-ID: <19990804172359.E5793@stumpy.dannyland.org> References: <199908032039.PAA35003@troi.csw.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <199908032039.PAA35003@troi.csw.net>; from lambert@cswnet.com on Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 03:31:08PM -0500 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 03:31:08PM -0500, lambert@cswnet.com wrote: > I haven't seen any of my users actively using emacs but every college kid taking a *ix class winds up running it at least once. I, personally, have never used it. The emacs port wants XFree86 installed. It is not currently installed on my new box due to the KISS protocol. Do I want to add another 40MB of bloat just to enable a little used editor/environment that also fits into the bloatware category? Is it safe to have X installed on a public access system? Is emacs safe in these circumstances? 1) linewraps ... 2) rtfMakefile. :) From /usr/ports/editors/emacs/Makefile: .if !defined(NO_X11) CONFIGURE_ARGS= --with-x-toolkit --sharedstatedir=/var/run USE_XLIB= yes .else CONFIGURE_ARGS= --with-x=no --sharedstatedir=/var/run .endif So, set your NO_X11 environment variable then make install. :) -d -- dannyman - http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 4 19: 3:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1DD153AA for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:03:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA18886; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:02:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: "Eric A. Griff" Cc: Mitch Vincent , Ben Vaughn , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Virtual email boxes In-Reply-To: <01d401bedecd$ed857140$c100000a@cfpower.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Eric A. Griff wrote: > Any reason that modifying pop to use user@domain.com for a username, > and a custom MTA in sendmail to put domains in separate dirs, and LDAP > wouldn't work? You mean reasons other than some POP3 clients not allowing '@' and '.' in usernames? Why do POP3 login names have to be in any way related to the email addresses attached to the login? -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 4 21:41:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from kremvax.demos.su (kremvax.demos.su [194.87.0.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1357B15451 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:41:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sinbin.demos.su!bag@kremvax.demos.su) Received: by kremvax.demos.su (8.6.13/D) from 0@sinbin.demos.su [194.87.5.31] with ESMTP id IAA27993; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:41:01 +0400 Received: by sinbin.demos.su id IAA28163; (8.6.12/D) Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:40:09 +0400 From: bag@sinbin.demos.su (Alex G. Bulushev) Message-Id: <199908050440.IAA28163@sinbin.demos.su> Subject: Re: Virtual email boxes In-Reply-To: from "Matthew N. Dodd" at "Aug 4, 1999 10: 2:33 pm" To: winter@jurai.net (Matthew N. Dodd) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:40:09 +0400 (MSD) Cc: eric@cfpower.com, cygone@zoomnet.net, bvaughn@prophetnetworks.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Eric A. Griff wrote: > > Any reason that modifying pop to use user@domain.com for a username, > > and a custom MTA in sendmail to put domains in separate dirs, and LDAP > > wouldn't work? > > You mean reasons other than some POP3 clients not allowing '@' and '.' in > usernames? for such clients your can use user%domain.com (as CommuniGate Pro do, www.stalker.com) or user//domain as alternative if u have several alternatives - one will work ... > > Why do POP3 login names have to be in any way related to the email > addresses attached to the login? this is the simplest way ... > > -- > | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | > | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | > | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Aug 4 21:50:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from demos.su (mx.demos.su [194.87.0.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE7D15451 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:50:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bag%sinbin.demos.su@kremvax.demos.su) Received: from kremvax.demos.su ([194.87.0.20] verified) by demos.su (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.1b5) with ESMTP id 1008112 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 08:49:51 +0400 Received: by kremvax.demos.su (8.6.13/D) from 0@sinbin.demos.su [194.87.5.31] with ESMTP id IAA29670; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:49:01 +0400 Received: by sinbin.demos.su id IAA31698; (8.6.12/D) Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:48:14 +0400 From: bag@sinbin.demos.su (Alex G. Bulushev) Message-Id: <199908050448.IAA31698@sinbin.demos.su> Subject: Re: Virtual email boxes In-Reply-To: <01d401bedecd$ed857140$c100000a@cfpower.com> from "Eric A. Griff" at "Aug 4, 1999 7: 5:58 pm" To: eric@cfpower.com Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:48:14 +0400 (MSD) Cc: cygone@zoomnet.net, bvaughn@prophetnetworks.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > Hi Folks! > > Any reason that modifying pop to use user@domain.com for a username, and > a custom MTA in sendmail to put domains in separate dirs, and LDAP wouldn't > work? we use this sheme during long time (without ldap) CommuniGate Pro (www.stalker.com) use this sheme with ldap ... > > Eric A. Griff , http://www.setjmp.com > setjmp Software Your source for custom > 181 Genesee Street Software Solutions. > Suite 504 > Utica, NY 13501 > ICQ# 28146852 > Office: (315) 734-1668 Extension 205 > Home: (315) 495-2385 (seldom) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mitch Vincent > To: Ben Vaughn > Cc: > Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 12:26 AM > Subject: Re: Virtual email boxes > > > > Well in order for mail to be delivered to a user (assuming you're doing > > things the "standard" way and not using LDAP or something) you're going to > > have to add the user to the system. The term "virtual" doesn't apply here > I > > guess. A virtual POP3 account really isn't possible, unless you were using > > LDAP or something and even then it wouldn't technically be virtual :-) > > > > So in summary, you have to add the user to the mail server. > > > > -Mitch > > > > "When all your plans fail, backup, re-group and press on. The only real > > failure is quitting..." > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ben Vaughn > > To: Mitch Vincent > > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 11:45 PM > > Subject: Re: Virtual email boxes > > > > > > >Mitch- > > > By virtual email boxes, I mean smtp *and* pop capabilities. We > > >already use virtusertable to do e-mail forwarding for other users, but we > > >have several users who would like extra e-mail accounts and I would like > > >to be able to provide that to them.. > > > > > >-biv > > > > > >On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Mitch Vincent wrote: > > > > > >> Define virtual mailboxes :-) > > >> > > >> You can use sendmail's virtual mapping to allow more than one address > go > > to > > >> the same local user, look on www.sendmail.org at the virtual hosting > > >> documentation. > > >> > > >> -Mitch > > >> > > >> "When all your plans fail, backup, re-group and press on. The only real > > >> failure is quitting..." > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Ben Vaughn > > >> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > >> Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 11:11 PM > > >> Subject: Virtual email boxes > > >> > > >> > > >> >Hello, > > >> > Im using a 3.2-stable system as a mail server, running sendmail > > >> >and qpopper. I was wondering if anyone knows of a way to make virtual > > >> >e-mail boxes using this system. > > >> > > > >> >Thanks, > > >> >-biv > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > >> >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 5 4:19:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from volodya.prime.net.ua (volodya.prime.net.ua [195.64.229.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29DD9154BB for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:19:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andyo@prime.net.ua) Received: from prime.net.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by volodya.prime.net.ua (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03594; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:19:53 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from andyo@prime.net.ua) Message-ID: <37A97354.707B4036@prime.net.ua> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 14:19:49 +0300 From: "Andy V. Oleynik" Organization: M-Info X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en, ru, uk MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FBSD-ISP Cc: Brian Somers Subject: PPP as dialin server Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My question is for ISP group and Brian Sommers. I wish to setup dialup access server using getty+ppp. And I read in ppp.8 that user ppp shoult be created. 4. Prepare an account for the incoming user. ppp:xxxx:66:66:PPP Login User:/home/ppp:/usr/local/bin/ppplogin Refer to the manual entries for adduser(8) and vipw(8) for details. So, all the dialin users must authenticate himself and login in as ppp or how? Or ppplogin will be rased up by user ppp which will authenticate & logging specific user in and doing neccesarry stuff with wtmp etc. Also should I list all my users in each profile or it will be enough to list them in default profile? My intends is to write a ppplogin script which for each ttyd* will rase up ppp -direct . Where the specprofile will assign different IP for each ttydN. Now I use pppd in the same manner but I wish replace it with ppp. -- WBW Andy V. Oleynik (When U work in virtual office prime.net.ua's U have good chance to obtain system administrator virtual money ö%-) +380442448363 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 5 6:25:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.freebsd.org.uk [194.242.128.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDCEE14D4D for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 06:25:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA96659; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:24:53 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost.lan.Awfulhak.org [127.0.0.1]) by keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02853; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:26:14 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199908051326.OAA02853@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Andy V. Oleynik" Cc: FBSD-ISP , Brian Somers Subject: Re: PPP as dialin server In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 05 Aug 1999 14:19:49 +0300." <37A97354.707B4036@prime.net.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 14:26:14 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'd recommend method 2 as being the best way to accept connections. = If you really want an IP number per device, you'll need a ppp.conf = entry for each device. I prefer either allocating random IP numbers = or assigning each user their own IP number in ppp.secret. = You don't need to give these people accounts on the machine with = method 2 either - you just need an entry in ppp.secret. > My question is for ISP group and Brian Sommers. > I wish to setup dialup access server using getty+ppp. > And I read in ppp.8 that user ppp shoult be created. > = > 4. Prepare an account for the incoming user. > ppp:xxxx:66:66:PPP Login User:/home/ppp:/usr/local/bin/ppplogin > Refer to the manual entries for adduser(8) and vipw(8) for details. > = > So, all the dialin users must authenticate himself and login in as ppp > or how? > Or ppplogin will be rased up by user ppp which will authenticate > & logging specific user in and doing neccesarry stuff with wtmp etc. > Also should I list all my users in each profile or it will be enough to= > list them in default profile? > My intends is to write a ppplogin script which for each ttyd* will > rase up ppp -direct . Where the specprofile > will assign different IP for each ttydN. > Now I use pppd in the same manner but I wish replace it with ppp. > = > -- > WBW Andy V. Oleynik (When U work in virtual office > prime.net.ua's U have good chance to obtain > system administrator virtual money =F6%-) > +380442448363 -- = Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 5 8: 9: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cobia.corp.gulf.net (cobia.corp.gulf.net [206.105.61.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F2514F92 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:08:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phill@cobia.gulf.net) Received: from localhost (phill@localhost) by cobia.corp.gulf.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06588; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:11:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:11:03 -0500 (CDT) From: X-Sender: phill@cobia.corp.gulf.net To: John Prince Cc: carol@tinker.com, luis@cantv.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Troubles with Apache on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199908042256.RAA28759@mail.knight-trosoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can't you just do something in /etc/login.conf for the http user? On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, John Prince wrote: > You can view/change limits with `sh'. > ulimit Soft Limits > ulimit -H Hard Limits.. > Further info .. > man sh > look for ulimit. > --john > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 4 16:57:30 1999 > > Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 16:54:40 -0500 > > From: Carol Deihl > > To: Luis Moreno > > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: Troubles with Apache on FreeBSD > > > > Hi Luis, > > > > It's likely that the "limit" for number of processes is being > > exceeded. From a csh (not an sh), as root, execute these commands: > > =09limit > > =09limit -h > > The "-h" version gives the hard limits that are compiled in the > > kernel, while the plain version gives the "soft" limits (e.g. what > > it's running with now). When I ran into this same problem, I > > foung that the hard limit for maxproc was 2067, while the soft > > limit was only 64. > > > > The solution is to start your web server from a csh script (not > > an sh script, since sh on 2.2.x FBSD doesn't have a limit command). > > In the script, put something like > > =09limit maxproc 1024 > > (or some value less than the number you found with limit -h) > > before the command that starts the web server. This resolved our > > problem. Interesting, when we ran into the problem, it was when > > there were about 133 processes running (similar to your 126). > > > > Hope this helps, > > Carol > > > > > > Luis Moreno wrote: > > >=20 > > > Hello there. > > >=20 > > > I=B4m runing Apache Web Server/1.3.0 with Ben-SSL/1.19 and > > > FrontPage/3.0.4.2 PHP/3.0.6 on FreeBSD 2.2.6 > > >=20 > > > A snapshot of the head of top command is like this: > > > Last pid: 8175; load averages: 0.71, 0.19, 0.06 > > > 17:15:22 > > > 126 processes: 2 running, 124 sleeping CPU states: 3.1% user, 0.0% > > > nice, 3.5% system, 1.2% interrupt, 92.2% idle > > > Mem: 137M Active, 44M Inact, 30M Wired, 39M Cache, 8348K Buf, 788K Fr= ee > > > Swap: 512M Total, 64K Used, 512M Free > > >=20 > > > The server seems to be ok, but eventualy I=B4m geting problems with t= he > > > execution of cgi script=B4s. This is the error message from the error > > > Apache logs > > > [Wed Aug 4 17:13:17 1999] [error] (35)Resource temporarily unavailab= le: > > > couldn't spawn child process: /var/www/cgi-bin/Count.cgi > > >=20 > > > Did anybody get=B4s the same? > > >=20 > > > Thanks in advance for yor help. > > >=20 > > > Luis. > > >=20 > > --=20 > > Carol Deihl - carol@tinker.com > > Shrier and Deihl - Unix Network Admin and Internet Software Development > > http://www.tinker.com/ - Tinker Internet Services > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 5 8:20:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gate.saargate.de (gate.saargate.de [212.88.128.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51B114FFE for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:19:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from domi@saargate.de) Message-id: Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 17:06:50 +0200 Subject: Re(2): Troubles with Apache on FreeBSD To: phill@cobia.gulf.net Cc: johnp@knight-trosoft.com, carol@tinker.com, luis@cantv.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: domi@saargate.de (domi) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org phill@cobia.gulf.net schreibt: >Can't you just do something in /etc/login.conf for the http user? or, as an alternative, start httpd with the limits(1) command. Yours, Dominik To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Aug 5 12:47: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from rs2s3.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (rs2s3.datacenter.cha.cantv.net [200.44.32.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA0A14D7C for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:46:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luis@cantv.net) Received: from cantv.net (ws-36.chacao-01.int.cantv.net [200.44.44.52]) by rs2s3.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.0) with ESMTP id PAA18332; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:44:54 -0400 (VET) Message-ID: <37A9E972.E83A3700@cantv.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 15:43:46 -0400 From: Luis Moreno X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carol Deihl Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Troubles with Apache on FreeBSD References: <37A8AF77.7515952F@cantv.net> <37A8B6A0.886134D9@tinker.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks carol, it seems to work!. :). Now I will like to do a little stress test. I´m very amazed with the fast you response my e-mail. Let me know when you come to Caracas, I will pay the dinner. Thanks to all. Luis. Carol Deihl wrote: > Hi Luis, > > It's likely that the "limit" for number of processes is being > exceeded. From a csh (not an sh), as root, execute these commands: > limit > limit -h > The "-h" version gives the hard limits that are compiled in the > kernel, while the plain version gives the "soft" limits (e.g. what > it's running with now). When I ran into this same problem, I > foung that the hard limit for maxproc was 2067, while the soft > limit was only 64. > > The solution is to start your web server from a csh script (not > an sh script, since sh on 2.2.x FBSD doesn't have a limit command). > In the script, put something like > limit maxproc 1024 > (or some value less than the number you found with limit -h) > before the command that starts the web server. This resolved our > problem. Interesting, when we ran into the problem, it was when > there were about 133 processes running (similar to your 126). > > Hope this helps, > Carol > > Luis Moreno wrote: > > > > Hello there. > > > > I´m runing Apache Web Server/1.3.0 with Ben-SSL/1.19 and > > FrontPage/3.0.4.2 PHP/3.0.6 on FreeBSD 2.2.6 > > > > A snapshot of the head of top command is like this: > > Last pid: 8175; load averages: 0.71, 0.19, 0.06 > > 17:15:22 > > 126 processes: 2 running, 124 sleeping CPU states: 3.1% user, 0.0% > > nice, 3.5% system, 1.2% interrupt, 92.2% idle > > Mem: 137M Active, 44M Inact, 30M Wired, 39M Cache, 8348K Buf, 788K Free > > Swap: 512M Total, 64K Used, 512M Free > > > > The server seems to be ok, but eventualy I´m geting problems with the > > execution of cgi script´s. This is the error message from the error > > Apache logs > > [Wed Aug 4 17:13:17 1999] [error] (35)Resource temporarily unavailable: > > couldn't spawn child process: /var/www/cgi-bin/Count.cgi > > > > Did anybody get´s the same? > > > > Thanks in advance for yor help. > > > > Luis. > > > -- > Carol Deihl - carol@tinker.com > Shrier and Deihl - Unix Network Admin and Internet Software Development > http://www.tinker.com/ - Tinker Internet Services -- Luis Moreno Ing. de Area CANTV Servicios To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 6 4:33:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tas21-atm.tampabay.rr.com (tas21-atm.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.0.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7F914F53 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 04:33:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marrandy@tampabay.rr.com) Received: from chaossolutions.com (dt151n17.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.197.23]) by tas21-atm.tampabay.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21898 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com by chaossolutions.com with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.83x.R) for ; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 07:36:13 -0400 Message-ID: <37AAC688.9CC101DA@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 07:27:04 -0400 From: Martin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: 2 queries Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Return-Path: marrandy@tampabay.rr.com Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello everyone :) I'm looking into the ISP/ hositing business and have had mail servers, web servers, news server and firewall NAT/IP masquerading going on an internal network. I have two queries though as I think I'm missing something. 1) If you can route traffic through a gateway machine, what is the requirement for a router ? More IP's ? faster routing ? a) Has anyone tried the Linux router project software ? 2) How do you do user password authentication ? RADIUS I assume. What is the best one to use for FreeBsd ? 3) (but you only said there was two ; ) Best/cheapest billing software ? That one just came to me. Is there a FAQ for this list ? Some pointers would be appreciated. Regards...Martin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 6 6:48: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 085C415295 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 06:48:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from workstation.etinc.com (port24.netsvr1.cst.vastnet.net [207.252.73.24]) by etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA14898; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908061347.JAA14898@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 21:56:20 -0400 To: Martin , "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" From: Dennis Subject: Re: 2 queries In-Reply-To: <37AAC688.9CC101DA@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:27 AM 8/6/99 -0400, Martin wrote: >Hello everyone :) > >I'm looking into the ISP/ hositing business and have had mail servers, web >servers, news server and firewall NAT/IP masquerading going on an internal >network. > >I have two queries though as I think I'm missing something. > >1) If you can route traffic through a gateway machine, what is the >requirement for a router ? More IP's ? faster routing ? > a) Has anyone tried the Linux router project software ? Our new routers come with both Linux and FreeBSD...one of them oughta work :-) You'll need bandwidth management also. Its in there. www.etinc.com Dennis ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.etinc.com T1/T3 boards for FreeBSD and Linux Multiport T1/T3 Routers Industrial Strength Bandwidth Management Solutions To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 6 7:26: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.tcworks.net (ns.tcworks.net [216.61.218.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9982C15568 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:25:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Received: from tcworks.net (xcess@creed.tcworks.net [216.61.218.6]) by ns.tcworks.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA97099; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:27:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Message-ID: <37AC415A.618529A8@tcworks.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 09:23:22 -0500 From: Chris Cook X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2 queries References: <37AAC688.9CC101DA@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Martin wrote: > Hello everyone :) Hello . > > I'm looking into the ISP/ hositing business and have had mail servers, web > servers, news server and firewall NAT/IP masquerading going on an internal > network. Be prepared... it's not as glamourous as it seems ; ) > I have two queries though as I think I'm missing something. > > 1) If you can route traffic through a gateway machine, what is the > requirement for a router ? More IP's ? faster routing ? > a) Has anyone tried the Linux router project software ? The requirement for a router? I lost you here. > 2) How do you do user password authentication ? RADIUS I assume. What is the > best one to use for FreeBSD ? We use Livingston RADIUS in conjunction with portmaster 3's > 3) (but you only said there was two ; ) Best/cheapest billing software ? We rigged something up in access... easy to do and very customizable. -- Chris Cook The Computer Works http://www.tcworks.net http://www.tcworks.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 6 8:24:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tas21-atm.tampabay.rr.com (tas21-atm.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.0.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549B814E2E for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:24:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marrandy@tampabay.rr.com) Received: from chaossolutions.com (dt151n17.tampabay.rr.com [24.92.197.23]) by tas21-atm.tampabay.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03496 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com by chaossolutions.com with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.83x.R) for ; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 11:26:55 -0400 Message-ID: <37AAFC99.6D64A0FB@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 11:17:45 -0400 From: Martin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2 queries References: <37AAC688.9CC101DA@tampabay.rr.com> <37AC415A.618529A8@tcworks.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Return-Path: marrandy@tampabay.rr.com Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Chris ! Chris Cook wrote: > > Martin wrote: > > > Hello everyone :) > > Hello . > > > > > I'm looking into the ISP/ hositing business and have had mail servers, web > > servers, news server and firewall NAT/IP masquerading going on an internal > > network. > > Be prepared... it's not as glamourous as it seems ; ) > > > I have two queries though as I think I'm missing something. > > > > 1) If you can route traffic through a gateway machine, what is the > > requirement for a router ? More IP's ? faster routing ? > > a) Has anyone tried the Linux router project software ? > > The requirement for a router? I lost you here. Everything I have read talks about the need for a router, eg. cisco or whatever, and it's pretty much left like that. I'm at the stage where I'm confident about security and running the DNS, mail, web, ftp and news servers, it's now the pipe to the internet, the pipe from the customers, and log-in control and billing. I've heard that co-locating at the central office and interfacing to the internet and from the customers off the switch is possible and probably the best way to go. Any opinions ? Regards...Martin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 6 9:22:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from laf.cioe.com (laf.cioe.com [204.120.165.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2DD14CF6 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:22:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlinvill@cioe.com) Received: from localhost (mlinvill@localhost) by laf.cioe.com (8.9.2/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA25188; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:21:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mlinvill@cioe.com) X-Authentication-Warning: laf.cioe.com: mlinvill owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:21:36 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Linvill To: Chris Cook Cc: Martin , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2 queries In-Reply-To: <37AC415A.618529A8@tcworks.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Chris Cook wrote: >Martin wrote: > [snip] > >> 3) (but you only said there was two ; ) Best/cheapest billing software ? > >We rigged something up in access... easy to do and very customizable. > No way in hell I would trust my mission critical billing to a toy like MS Access. IMHO Access is a prototyping tool if anything. Spend a little money up front for a turn-key billing package. In a year or two if you have any growth, you'll really appreciate it. I could dig up links to a couple of commercial solutions if you're interested... -Mark > >-- >Chris Cook >The Computer Works >http://www.tcworks.net >http://www.tcworks.com > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 6 9:42:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.tcworks.net (ns.tcworks.net [216.61.218.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F62714CBE for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:42:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Received: from tcworks.net (xcess@creed.tcworks.net [216.61.218.6]) by ns.tcworks.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA22887 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:42:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Message-ID: <37AC60F1.918DD6C2@tcworks.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 11:38:09 -0500 From: Chris Cook X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: [Fwd: Re: 2 queries] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Martin wrote: > > > > > > > 1) If you can route traffic through a gateway machine, what is the > > > requirement for a router ? More IP's ? faster routing ? > > > a) Has anyone tried the Linux router project software ? > > > > The requirement for a router? I lost you here. > > Everything I have read talks about the need for a router, eg. cisco or > whatever, and it's pretty much left like that. Well, I try to keep things simple. Fact is, a router has less to break down than a "Gateway Machine", and the router is designed for that specific task. You don't usually have to worry about people compromising the router because of software issues, and well... it's smaller and more efficient. Just my .02 > I've heard that co-locating at the central office and interfacing to the > internet and from the customers off the switch is possible and probably the > best way to go. What central office are you referring to? Your provider? You are going to want to house your equipment at your location. Hope I could help. -- Chris Cook The Computer Works http://www.tcworks.net http://www.tcworks.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 6 9:43:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.tcworks.net (ns.tcworks.net [216.61.218.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7721B14A2E for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:43:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Received: from tcworks.net (xcess@creed.tcworks.net [216.61.218.6]) by ns.tcworks.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA22898; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:45:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Message-ID: <37AC6195.D9661E3@tcworks.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 11:40:53 -0500 From: Chris Cook X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Linvill , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2 queries References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Linvill wrote: > >Martin wrote: > 3) Best/cheapest billing software ? > > > >We rigged something up in access... easy to do and very customizable. > > No way in hell I would trust my mission critical billing to a toy like > MS Access. IMHO Access is a prototyping tool if anything. Your opinion. > > Spend a little money up front for a turn-key billing package. In a > year or two if you have any growth, you'll really appreciate it. He was asking for the cheapest route, but I agree with you. -- Chris Cook The Computer Works http://www.tcworks.net http://www.tcworks.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 6 11:42:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cobia.corp.gulf.net (cobia.corp.gulf.net [206.105.61.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CF114DAF for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:42:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phill@cobia.gulf.net) Received: from localhost (phill@localhost) by cobia.corp.gulf.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12937; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:45:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:45:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Phillip Salzman X-Sender: phill@cobia.corp.gulf.net To: Chris Cook Cc: Martin , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2 queries In-Reply-To: <37AC415A.618529A8@tcworks.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > 3) (but you only said there was two ; ) Best/cheapest billing software ? > > We rigged something up in access... easy to do and very customizable. Our current billing system is in access, and its _very_ slow. I recommend finding one that uses SQL or Oracle. We use Internet Billing (www.coolworld.com), and newer versions of it work on different database types. -- Phillip Salzman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 6 13:39:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from genesis.setjmp.net (worldrecovery.org [208.13.245.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A4D14D92 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:39:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eric@cfpower.com) Received: from Apophis ([10.0.0.193]) by genesis.setjmp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA29911; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:39:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from eric@cfpower.com) Message-ID: <00b201bee04b$82aac030$c100000a@cfpower.com> Reply-To: "Eric A. Griff" From: "Eric A. Griff" To: "Martin" , References: <37AAC688.9CC101DA@tampabay.rr.com> <37AC415A.618529A8@tcworks.net> <37AAFC99.6D64A0FB@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: 2 queries Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:37:31 -0400 Organization: CFPower MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org All, I've been working on a firewall/router/gateway, and found the cheaper solution was the Sangoma WANPIPE(508) card. Since the network the machine will be going onto is split 18 channels voice, and 2 data, the rest unused now, we still needed a separate CSU/DSU.. The Wanpipe cost $550, and Allows the V.35 from the CSU/DSU to connect into the PC. (Acts like a nic).. They have drivers on there site too (took slight modification but work..) For $880, it comes equipted with a built in CSU/DSU (useful in Data Only Situations). You might want to look 'em up.. http://www.sangoma.com/ Thank you for FreeBSD =) Eric A. Griff , http://www.setjmp.com setjmp Software Your source for custom 181 Genesee Street Software Solutions. Suite 504 Utica, NY 13501 ICQ# 28146852 Office: (315) 734-1668 Extension 205 Home: (315) 495-2385 (seldom) ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin To: Sent: Friday, August 06, 1999 11:17 AM Subject: Re: 2 queries > Hello Chris ! > > Chris Cook wrote: > > > > Martin wrote: > > > > > Hello everyone :) > > > > Hello . > > > > > > > > I'm looking into the ISP/ hositing business and have had mail servers, web > > > servers, news server and firewall NAT/IP masquerading going on an internal > > > network. > > > > Be prepared... it's not as glamourous as it seems ; ) > > > > > I have two queries though as I think I'm missing something. > > > > > > 1) If you can route traffic through a gateway machine, what is the > > > requirement for a router ? More IP's ? faster routing ? > > > a) Has anyone tried the Linux router project software ? > > > > The requirement for a router? I lost you here. > > Everything I have read talks about the need for a router, eg. cisco or > whatever, and it's pretty much left like that. > > I'm at the stage where I'm confident about security and running the DNS, mail, > web, ftp and news servers, it's now the pipe to the internet, the pipe from the > customers, and log-in control and billing. > > I've heard that co-locating at the central office and interfacing to the > internet and from the customers off the switch is possible and probably the > best way to go. > > Any opinions ? > > Regards...Martin > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 6 14:15:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from genesis.setjmp.net (worldrecovery.org [208.13.245.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6822A14D09 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:15:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eric@cfpower.com) Received: from Apophis ([10.0.0.193]) by genesis.setjmp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA30026; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:14:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from eric@cfpower.com) Message-ID: <00b801bee050$6864e200$c100000a@cfpower.com> Reply-To: "Eric A. Griff" From: "Eric A. Griff" To: "Mark Linvill" , "Chris Cook" Cc: "Martin" , References: Subject: Re: 2 queries Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:12:35 -0400 Organization: CFPower MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Mark, Sorry to slightly advocate an M$ product, though IMHO, Access is quite useful for small to medium size applications.. Though I have seen a NT Workstation (180Mhz PPro, 128M ram, Western Digital Cavier IDE drive (just one 4G)), O'Reilly Website Pro 2.x, and Allaire ColdFusion Application Server 4.0 Enterprise, serving 100 sites (pretty heavy load), running solely Access databases.. It runs good, and gives less problems than the Dell PowerEdge 2300 that was intended to replace it. At the same time, in an environment, where about 6 sites are completed a week at times, access contributed to that fast development (in combination with ColdFusin). I don't think ASP would come close to those results w/IIS.. The sites databases will soon be transported to MySQL, since we've managed to get ColdFusion to use the MySQL ODBC driver.. A little more progress on there end, and hopefully ODBC can be pulled out of the loop (after all these years, still bugs remaining). Anyways, the #1 reason access was used, "Someone bought office". #2, it had an interface that made it easy to use. Similiar tools could be made to give the same kind of interface to the Free Source Unix Databases.. Anyways, I'm just delighted that now CF is stably connecting to MySQL(MyODBC), so in a short time, access will be gone, except as a development tool =) Eric A. Griff , http://www.setjmp.com setjmp Software Your source for custom 181 Genesee Street Software Solutions. Suite 504 Utica, NY 13501 ICQ# 28146852 Office: (315) 734-1668 Extension 205 Home: (315) 495-2385 (seldom) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Linvill To: Chris Cook Cc: Martin ; Sent: Friday, August 06, 1999 12:21 PM Subject: Re: 2 queries > On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Chris Cook wrote: > > >Martin wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > >> 3) (but you only said there was two ; ) Best/cheapest billing software ? > > > >We rigged something up in access... easy to do and very customizable. > > > > No way in hell I would trust my mission critical billing to a toy like > MS Access. IMHO Access is a prototyping tool if anything. > > Spend a little money up front for a turn-key billing package. In a > year or two if you have any growth, you'll really appreciate it. > > I could dig up links to a couple of commercial solutions if you're > interested... > > -Mark > > > > > >-- > >Chris Cook > >The Computer Works > >http://www.tcworks.net > >http://www.tcworks.com > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 6 14:55:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from laf.cioe.com (laf.cioe.com [204.120.165.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F227A14D62 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:55:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlinvill@cioe.com) Received: from localhost (mlinvill@localhost) by laf.cioe.com (8.9.2/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA50280; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:54:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mlinvill@cioe.com) X-Authentication-Warning: laf.cioe.com: mlinvill owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:54:52 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Linvill To: "Eric A. Griff" Cc: Chris Cook , Martin , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2 queries In-Reply-To: <00b801bee050$6864e200$c100000a@cfpower.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Eric A. Griff wrote: >Hi Mark, > > Sorry to slightly advocate an M$ product, though IMHO, Access is quite >useful for small to medium size applications.. > Don't get me wrong here I do believe there is a place for Access. But I don't believe that a small ISP should start billing on it. I've personally written a couple of Access databases/interfaces. It was an interesting experience. > Though I have seen a NT Workstation (180Mhz PPro, 128M ram, Western >Digital Cavier IDE drive (just one 4G)), O'Reilly Website Pro 2.x, and >Allaire ColdFusion Application Server 4.0 Enterprise, serving 100 sites >(pretty heavy load), running solely Access databases.. It runs good, and >gives less problems than the Dell PowerEdge 2300 that was intended to >replace it. > Egad! > At the same time, in an environment, where about 6 sites are completed a >week at times, access contributed to that fast development (in combination >with ColdFusin). I don't think ASP would come close to those results w/IIS.. > > The sites databases will soon be transported to MySQL, since we've >managed to get ColdFusion to use the MySQL ODBC driver.. A little more >progress on there end, and hopefully ODBC can be pulled out of the loop >(after all these years, still bugs remaining). > > Anyways, the #1 reason access was used, "Someone bought office". #2, it >had an interface that made it easy to use. Similiar tools could be made to >give the same kind of interface to the Free Source Unix Databases.. > > Anyways, I'm just delighted that now CF is stably connecting to >MySQL(MyODBC), so in a short time, access will be gone, except as a >development tool =) > Cool. You might look into php [ http://www.php.net ]. I believe it to be CF's open source competitor. No pretty GUI for design but it has functionality to do anything I wanted to do with database interfaces in html. BTW, I fully admit to my UNIX bigotry. FreeBSD is my platform of choice. -Mark >Eric A. Griff , http://www.setjmp.com >setjmp Software Your source for custom >181 Genesee Street Software Solutions. >Suite 504 >Utica, NY 13501 >ICQ# 28146852 >Office: (315) 734-1668 Extension 205 >Home: (315) 495-2385 (seldom) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 6 17:35:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from titan.aye.net (titan.aye.net [198.7.207.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A37C14C1C for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:35:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barrett@phoenix.aye.net) Received: from localhost (barrett@localhost) by titan.aye.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA28848; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:34:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from barrett@phoenix.aye.net) X-Authentication-Warning: titan.aye.net: barrett owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:34:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Barrett Richardson X-Sender: barrett@titan.aye.net To: Chris Cook Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: 2 queries] In-Reply-To: <37AC60F1.918DD6C2@tcworks.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Well, I try to keep things simple. Fact is, a router has less to break > down than > a "Gateway Machine", and the router is designed for that specific task. > You don't > usually have to worry about people compromising the router because of > software > issues, and well... it's smaller and more efficient. Just my .02 > There is a flip side to this. I had a power supply failure in a cisco early on a Saturday morning. Cisco needed $400 to get one to me by Monday morning. If it had been a FreeBSD or Linux box, me, a screwdriver and $30 could have got it back up in an hour. Now I have fours BGP peers each feeding me 60k routes hanging off a beefy $3500 PC and I've pushed 75 mbits of traffic thru it (in tests between ethernet segments) with a full routing table. I have another beefy $3500 PC that I'm going to move two of the peers too. Gonna run dual parallel ethernet backbones (dual home all of my servers on the two backbones) and thus eliminate any single point of failure be it an ethernet card, cable, hub, router or whatever. To do the same with cisco equipment would require a pair of cisco 7xxx series routers with multiple serial and five ethernet interfaces each -- roughly $120k worth of hardware, my two FreeBSD boxes were slightly less :-). Sure my equipment is going to fail once in a while, physical devices always do. If I properly design my network, it won't matter. Sure some things are missing in the software I use (gated), like communities and confederations in BGP, NSSA in OSPF, and Equal Cost Multipath Routing in the kernel -- but that hasn't been an impediment (actually it has been good by forcing me to stick to fundamentals). - Barrett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 6 20: 8:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA41014CA4 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:08:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.8) with UUCP id XAA14977 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 23:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA61678 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:38:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199908070238.WAA61678@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: 2 queries] In-Reply-To: from Barrett Richardson at "Aug 6, 1999 8:34:25 pm" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:38:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Barrett Richardson recently said: > >Well, I try to keep things simple. Fact is, a router has less to > >break down than a "Gateway Machine", and the router is designed > >for that specific task. You don't usually have to worry about > >people compromising the router because of software issues, and > >well... it's smaller and more efficient. Just my .02 > > There is a flip side to this. I had a power supply failure in a > cisco early on a Saturday morning. Cisco needed $400 to get one to > me by Monday morning. If it had been a FreeBSD or Linux box, me, a > screwdriver and $30 could have got it back up in an hour. > [replace the router] ... and thus eliminate any single point of > failure be it an ethernet card, cable, hub, router or whatever. > To do the same with cisco equipment would require a pair of > cisco 7xxx series routers with multiple serial and five ethernet > interfaces each -- roughly $120k worth of hardware, You're obviosly not buying right :-). Check the used equipement vendor. We got a 7513 - 1.5 years old new in the box declared surplus by some major company. One HiSSI port, 16 serial ports and 8 ethernet ports - all at about $30,000. That was before we got about $5K on an insurance settlement where a fork lift pranged the box and bent the fan and made seating of one dual power supply a bit problematic. We rebent the metal and change the power supply mount screw and all was well. It all depends on what you need to do whether a hardware router or a OS based system will be best. We run mail, web, dns, etc., on FreeBSD, and we are going to be putting up at least one for outgoing bandwidth limited applications. So we'll have a mixture. The real decision is what you really need and what supports it best, is it not? Bill -- bv@wjv.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Aug 6 20:26:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from loki.intrepid.net (intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B4914C0B for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:26:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@loki.intrepid.net) Received: (from mark@localhost) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA06230; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 23:26:08 -0400 Message-ID: <19990806232608.B27669@intrepid.net> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 23:26:08 -0400 From: Mark Conway Wirt To: Phillip Salzman , Chris Cook Cc: Martin , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2 queries References: <37AC415A.618529A8@tcworks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 In-Reply-To: ; from Phillip Salzman on Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 06:45:00PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 06:45:00PM -0500, Phillip Salzman wrote: > > > 3) (but you only said there was two ; ) Best/cheapest billing software ? > > > > We rigged something up in access... easy to do and very customizable. > > Our current billing system is in access, and its _very_ slow. I recommend > finding one that uses SQL or Oracle. We use Internet Billing > (www.coolworld.com), and newer versions of it work on different database > types. We're just finishing up our conversion from Peachtree (gag!) to Platypus, which is ISP specific. I've not been too involved with the conversion, but Platypus backends to SQL server (we run in on a DEC Alpha), and I'm told by the billing department that it screams. http://www.boardtown.com/board/plathome.htm --Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 7 2:41:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.go2france.com (go2france.com [209.51.193.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4474A155DA for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 02:41:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lconrad@Go2France.com) Received: from superviseur [62.161.63.210] by mail.go2france.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.03) id AA90C2A0378; Sat, 07 Aug 1999 04:13:04 EDT Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990807113645.01f77aa0@go2france.com> X-Sender: lconrad@go2france.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 11:39:55 +0200 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: Quad processor motherboard? In-Reply-To: References: <011f01bed478$c39c0a60$0200000a@windows.cygone.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jeff, What specific ASUS board numbers? Have you tried FreeBSD with ASUS' RAID5/caching controller, the 2100? Thanks, Len To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 7 10:27:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from titan.aye.net (titan.aye.net [198.7.207.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E9A114D4B for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 10:27:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barrett@phoenix.aye.net) Received: from localhost (barrett@localhost) by titan.aye.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA34141 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:26:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from barrett@phoenix.aye.net) X-Authentication-Warning: titan.aye.net: barrett owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:26:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Barrett Richardson X-Sender: barrett@titan.aye.net To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: 2 queries] In-Reply-To: <199908070238.WAA61678@bilver.magicnet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Bill Vermillion wrote: > > [replace the router] ... and thus eliminate any single point of > > failure be it an ethernet card, cable, hub, router or whatever. > > To do the same with cisco equipment would require a pair of > > cisco 7xxx series routers with multiple serial and five ethernet > > interfaces each -- roughly $120k worth of hardware, > > You're obviosly not buying right :-). Check the used equipement > vendor. We got a 7513 - 1.5 years old new in the box declared > surplus by some major company. One HiSSI port, 16 serial ports > and 8 ethernet ports - all at about $30,000. That was before we > got about $5K on an insurance settlement where a fork lift pranged > the box and bent the fan and made seating of one dual power supply > a bit problematic. We rebent the metal and change the power supply > mount screw and all was well. > > It all depends on what you need to do whether a hardware router or > a OS based system will be best. We run mail, web, dns, etc., on > FreeBSD, and we are going to be putting up at least one for > outgoing bandwidth limited applications. So we'll have a > mixture. The real decision is what you really need and what > supports it best, is it not? > Indeed true. What type of contingancy plan do you have for failure of the 7513? - Barrett > Bill > > -- > bv@wjv.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Aug 7 19:30:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94C114CFF for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:30:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.8) with UUCP id WAA04249 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA79610 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:13:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199908080213.WAA79610@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: 2 queries] In-Reply-To: from Barrett Richardson at "Aug 7, 1999 1:26:12 pm" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:12:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Barrett Richardson recently said: > Indeed true. What type of contingancy plan do you have for failure > of the 7513? Well it's a pretty rugged piece with dual power supplies. We need to add the second RSP. The plan is for a 7500 series across town - colocated at a transport provider - and their link enters and leaves the state by different routes that our first one. We have also discussed satellite links (not the DirecTV/Hughes) stuff. We even did a video uplink 4 weeks ago for a convention. We're all communications oriented having worked in broadcast. And last week the convention center got a letter of praise from IBM saying that they have several large shows a year, but the convention had the best service and support of any that they had ever encountered. Sun and Compaq both said almost the same thing. Niche market ISP - providing high-speed short term connections, to industrial style customers. We brought up a 250+ node network in two days (there was pre=planning and pre-wiring up to a point), ran it for four days, and took it all down again. All the machines were coming up just fine and it all went down hill rapidly. We found one of their machines - and no one knows what caused it - as setting all the machines up after that one was setup to use itself as the gateway. Took a while to find that. And everyone was changing Token-Ring cards for 10baseT. Never saw so many laptops in one place before, and none with Token-Ring. At first you hope nothing breaks until you get the rest going. However there will also be some routers running on BSD - mainly used for bandwidth management and outgoing T1s, and we might put a HISSI card in there. Bill -- bv@wjv.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message