From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 10 6:43:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from proxy.pomonet.bg (proxy.pomonet.bg [212.56.4.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A387150B1 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 06:43:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gogo@proxy.pomonet.bg) Received: (qmail 1019 invoked by uid 100); 10 Oct 1999 13:40:49 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Oct 1999 13:40:49 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:40:48 +0300 (EEST) From: gogo To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: pppd problem with multiport card In-Reply-To: <70639.939541771@verdi.nethelp.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD nic.pomonet.bg 3.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE #7: Sun Oct 10 15:51:52 E EST 1999 root@nic.pomonet.bg:/usr/src/sys/compile/nickernel i386 sio4 at 0x280-0x287 flags 0xb05 on isa sio4: type 16550A (multiport) sio5 at 0x288-0x28f flags 0xb05 on isa sio5: type 16550A (multiport) sio6 at 0x290-0x297 flags 0xb05 on isa sio6: type 16550A (multiport) sio7 at 0x298-0x29f flags 0xb05 on isa sio7: type 16550A (multiport) sio8 at 0x2a0-0x2a7 flags 0xb05 on isa sio8: type 16550A (multiport) sio9 at 0x2a8-0x2af flags 0xb05 on isa sio9: type 16550A (multiport) sio10 at 0x2b0-0x2b7 flags 0xb05 on isa sio10: type 16550A (multiport) sio11 at 0x2b8-0x2bf irq 5 flags 0xb05 on isa sio11: type 16550A (multiport master) Oct 10 16:25:11 nic pppd[733]: pppd 2.3.5 started by tiva, uid 2002 Oct 10 16:25:11 nic pppd[733]: ioctl(TIOCSETD): Device not configured can u help me ? Georgi Kamov To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 10 10:28:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ple.org (c431822-a.smateo1.sfba.home.com [24.7.95.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C533154AA for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:28:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andy@ple.org) Received: from k1825dsf (k1825dsf [10.2.4.235]) by ple.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA38494 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004901bf1344$18282050$eb04020a@nt.schwab.com> From: "Andreas Pleschutznig" To: Subject: Load balancing between multiple lines? Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:22:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01BF1309.6B8C1840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01BF1309.6B8C1840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm in the process of getting multiple DSL lines (4-8) and what I want = to do is set up a FreeBSD box as a router handling all these lines. The = problem now is that all the lines go to the same ISP, and will have all = the same netmask. In addition to that I would like to share the traffic = on these lines, at least on a round robbin basis.=20 I could think of changing the routing code in the kernel, if there is no = other possibilities, but I would rather not go that route if I don't = have to. So my question is: Does anybody know of any solution that = handles 4-8 lines and does a load sharing between them, without buying a = $30k router? Andreas ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01BF1309.6B8C1840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

I'm in the process of getting multiple DSL lines (4-8) and what I = want to=20 do is set up a FreeBSD box as a router handling all these lines. The = problem now=20 is that all the lines go to the same ISP, and will have all the same = netmask. In=20 addition to that I would like to share the traffic on these lines, at = least on a=20 round robbin basis.

I could think of changing the routing code in the kernel, if there = is no=20 other possibilities, but I would rather not go that route if I don't = have to. So=20 my question is: Does anybody know of any solution that handles 4-8 lines = and=20 does a load sharing between them, without buying a $30k router?

Andreas

------=_NextPart_000_0046_01BF1309.6B8C1840-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 10 12:46:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from proteus.eclipse.net.uk (proteus.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.118]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348B7159B4 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:44:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuart@eclipse.net.uk) Received: from eclipse.net.uk (p18.telesto.eclipse.net.uk [212.104.138.210]) by proteus.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7AA39B11; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:44:49 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3800EE26.D9B1C127@eclipse.net.uk> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:51:02 +0100 From: Stuart Henderson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andreas Pleschutznig Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Load balancing between multiple lines? References: <004901bf1344$18282050$eb04020a@nt.schwab.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm in the process of getting multiple DSL lines (4-8) and what > I want to do is set up a FreeBSD box as a router handling all these > lines. > I could think of changing the routing code in the kernel, Already been done - try searching the list archives or dejanews for a message from Chris Luke containing the word "multipath". To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 1:55:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ktpk.dp.ua (ktpk.dp.ua [195.24.130.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24ECA14D32 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 01:54:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from os@altavista.net) Received: from admin (admin.dnepr.com [192.168.0.4]) by ktpk.dp.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA03495; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:18:53 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from os@altavista.net) Message-ID: <000b01bf13c9$a4afc480$0400a8c0@admin.dnepr.com> From: "Oleg Semyonov" To: Cc: Subject: FreeBSD libradius accounting patch suggestion Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:18:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BF13DA.668D5580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BF13DA.668D5580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello John! Excuse me for my "English" but I'm sure you understand me. I need the pppd-2.3.9(10) daemon with RADIUS authentication and accounting. I've patched original pppd-2.3.9 distribution for FreeBSD specifics and put into source the RADIUS capabilities with almost full support for auth and accounting. To do so I've patched your libradius sources extracted from FreeBSD 3.* for accounting support. Patches are attached. They includes: 1. #define for RAD_CONNECT_INFO (non-rfc, but widely used). 2. #defines for Framed-Compression and NAS-Port-Type values. 2. #defines for accounting support. 3. internal insert_request_authenticator() for accounting request packets. 4. rad_auth_open() and rad_acct_open() calls for opening a handle as auth or acct server with appropriate defaults(for defaults only). rad_open() call preserved for compatibility and is equivalent to rad_auth_open(). 5. No mans changed, sorry. 6. Default accounting config file is /etc/radacct.conf (not the best solution, IMHO, but no way to extend radius.conf(5) file format to support accounting and maintain the compatibility with current libradius version). 7. #define for __printflike (for FreeBSD 2.2.8). 8. library and header renamed for compatibility with old version (as temporary solution). I'm planning to release my pppd patches for public, so it is best if you put my patches (or my idea in your version) into standard FreeBSD radius library. And put it into 2.2.8-STABLE source tree because seems to me no any incompatibilities here, and your code is fully compilable and usable on 2.2.8. Mail me if you find my suggestion useful, and I will update my pppd RADIUS support for new standard FreeBSD RADIUS library before release it to public (anybody want it?). Thanks! 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tim@iafrica.com.na To: "Andreas Pleschutznig" , Subject: Re: Load balancing between multiple lines? Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:17:33 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.17] Content-Type: text/plain References: <004901bf1344$18282050$eb04020a@nt.schwab.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99101112370201.25232@310.priebe.alt.na> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 10 Oct 1999, Andreas Pleschutznig wrote: > >%_Hi, > > I'm in the process of getting multiple DSL lines (4-8) and what I want to do is set up a FreeBSD box as a router handling all these lines. The problem now is that all the lines go to the same ISP, and will have all the same netmask. In addition to that I would like to share the traffic on these lines, at least on a round robbin basis. > > I could think of changing the routing code in the kernel, if there is no other possibilities, but I would rather not go that route if I don't have to. So my question is: Does anybody know of any solution that handles 4-8 lines and does a load sharing between them, without buying a $30k router? > > > Andreas I do not understand the referance to $ 30 000. Even here a Cisco 2600 with 4 - 2 Mb/s interfaces is only about $ 3000, and a 3640 with 8 is about $ 13 000. Tim. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 5:58:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.palnet.com (mail.palnet.com [212.29.201.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C3314D27 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 05:58:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rjebara@palnet.com) Received: from localhost (rjebara@localhost) by mail.palnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08646; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:58:05 +0200 (IST) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:58:05 +0200 (IST) From: Rami Abu Jebara To: Dominik Brettnacher Cc: shelton@sentry.granch.ru, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: One password base for some *NIX boxes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org check the Linux-PAM howto .. available from www.linux.org or www.linuxhq.com. these should be applicable. and of course the man pages :) there is a lot of utilities and extra auth-modules that you can compile and add. hope this helps .. cheers Rami **************************** Rami Abu Jebara Technical Director Palnet Communications Ltd e-mail : rjebara@palnet.com Tel: ++ 972 2 583 5666 Fax: ++ 972 2 583 6354 w w w . p a l n e t . c o m On Fri, 8 Oct 1999, Dominik Brettnacher wrote: > On Fri, 8 Oct 1999, rjebara@palnet.com wrote: > > > IMHO, PAM will be a good autentication platform .. > > and IIRC you could set it up to autenticate from an > > SQL database or from RADIUS ... > > How do I set up this? > > > -- > Dominik - http://www.saargate.de/~domi/ > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 6: 2: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.palnet.com (mail.palnet.com [212.29.201.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55561503C for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 06:02:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rjebara@palnet.com) Received: from localhost (rjebara@localhost) by mail.palnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08928; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:01:50 +0200 (IST) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:01:50 +0200 (IST) From: Rami Abu Jebara To: Andreas Pleschutznig Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Load balancing between multiple lines? In-Reply-To: <004901bf1344$18282050$eb04020a@nt.schwab.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OSPF as far as know, can do load balancing .. you have to check with your ISP first though. you can use Zebra or Gated to handle the routing .. hacking the kernel ... whow ... don't know about this one :) cheers Rami **************************** Rami Abu Jebara Technical Director Palnet Communications Ltd e-mail : rjebara@palnet.com Tel: ++ 972 2 583 5666 Fax: ++ 972 2 583 6354 w w w . p a l n e t . c o m On Sun, 10 Oct 1999, Andreas Pleschutznig wrote: > Hi, > > I'm in the process of getting multiple DSL lines (4-8) and what I want to do is set up a FreeBSD box as a router handling all these lines. The problem now is that all the lines go to the same ISP, and will have all the same netmask. In addition to that I would like to share the traffic on these lines, at least on a round robbin basis. > > I could think of changing the routing code in the kernel, if there is no other possibilities, but I would rather not go that route if I don't have to. So my question is: Does anybody know of any solution that handles 4-8 lines and does a load sharing between them, without buying a $30k router? > > > Andreas > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 6:31:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtp7.xs4all.nl (smtp7.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A8C14D16 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 06:31:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from niels@bakker.net) Received: from liquid.tpb.net (arctic.xs4all.nl [194.109.37.82]) by smtp7.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17097; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:31:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (niels@localhost) by liquid.tpb.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA15288; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:31:52 +0200 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:31:51 +0200 (CEST) From: N X-Sender: niels@liquid.tpb.net To: Rami Abu Jebara Cc: Andreas Pleschutznig , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Load balancing between multiple lines? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9910111529180.15270-100000@liquid.tpb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rami Abu Jebara wrote: > OSPF as far as know, can do load balancing .. you have to check with > your ISP first though. You are sadly mistaken. Please read other replies first. Load balancing isn't a function of an IGP, it's a function of the device making the routing decisions for each packet. > you can use Zebra or Gated to handle the routing .. Only to participate in an IGP. The actual forwarding of packets is still done by the kernel. > hacking the kernel ... whow ... don't know about this one :) It's necessary if you want to use load balancing across multiple equal cost paths. -- Niels. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 9:35:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from relay04.indigo.ie (relay04.indigo.ie [194.125.133.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A113414E5D for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:35:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from judgea@indigo.ie) Received: (qmail 28630 messnum 46666 invoked from network[194.125.133.235/relay-mgr.indigo.ie]); 11 Oct 1999 16:35:43 -0000 Received: from relay-mgr.indigo.ie (HELO indigo.ie) (194.125.133.235) by relay04.indigo.ie (qp 28630) with SMTP; 11 Oct 1999 16:35:43 -0000 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NetApp servers In-reply-to: Message from Barrett Richardson dated Friday at 11:59. From: Alan Judge Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:35:43 +0100 Message-Id: <19991011163545.A113414E5D@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Barrett> Does the NetApp have tremendous benefits over building your Barrett> own mongo NFS server with a super duper RAID controller? For us, yes, but YMMV. It depends a lot on what you are doing and what you want. Netapp boxes have good scalable performance, support online growable file systems, easy upgrades, hot swap, snapshots and safe live backups, clustering and failover, fast reboots, NVRAM backup to avoid powerfail loss, and other stuff that isn't always easily supported on a mongo FreeBSD NFS server. But you pay for what you get, and vice versa. I'd recommend trying one out and seeing if it suits your application. NetApp, at least over here, are quite willing to loan you a box to see if they can convince you to buy one. -- Alan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 12:36:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sasknow.com (h139-142-245-96.ss.FiberONE.NET [139.142.245.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC04E14A1E for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:36:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@sasknow.com) Received: from localhost (freebsd@localhost) by sasknow.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09585 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:36:30 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from freebsd@sasknow.com) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:36:30 -0600 (CST) From: Ryan Thompson To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Chroot and ~/bin, ~/etc. Better way? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi everybody; If this message looks a tad familiar, I posted a similar one to -questions a couple of weeks ago or so. I'm just trying again :-) Basically, I'm just looking for an easier solution for maintaining the bin and etc directories in user directories. The ~/bin directory isn't bad, as global changes to these directories are seldom at best on my system. ~/etc, however, must be updated every time the password file is changed, and I update my (ftp)motd files semi-frequently, as well. The majority of my users have ftp accounts only, (thus, chroot is done by ftpd), but there are still a few with shell accounts. Is there a way to maintain ONE copy of /bin and /etc and have it apply to all chroot'd users? Perhaps I DO need to write a script to periodically sync the home direcories' copies with my master copy. I would hope for a more elegant solution, though. Thanks again, Ryan Thompson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 12:53:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.numachi.com (numachi.numachi.com [198.175.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B9BC1567D for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 12:53:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reichert@numachi.com) Received: (qmail 22437 invoked by uid 1001); 11 Oct 1999 19:53:04 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 15:53:04 -0400 From: Brian Reichert To: Ryan Thompson Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Chroot and ~/bin, ~/etc. Better way? Message-ID: <19991011155304.B21479@numachi.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from Ryan Thompson on Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 01:36:30PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 01:36:30PM -0600, Ryan Thompson wrote: > Is there a way to maintain ONE copy of /bin and /etc and have it apply to > all chroot'd users? Perhaps I DO need to write a script to periodically > sync the home direcories' copies with my master copy. I would hope for a > more elegant solution, though. What I have done: create on the /home partition (or wherever these accounts live) the preferred version of /etc and /bin, and create a set of hard links in each person's virtual tree to that central tree. Saves on a lot of diskspace... > Thanks again, > Ryan Thompson -- Brian 'you Bastard' Reichert reichert@numachi.com 37 Crystal Ave. #303 Daytime number: (781) 899-7484 x704 Derry NH 03038-1713 USA Intel architecture: the left-hand path To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 14:36:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bsdie.rwsystems.net (bsdie.rwsystems.net [209.197.223.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E700515A36 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 14:36:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwyatt@rwsystems.net) Received: from bsdie.rwsystems.net([209.197.223.2]) (2349 bytes) by bsdie.rwsystems.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:30:10 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #1 built 1999-Aug-7) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:30:10 -0500 (CDT) From: James Wyatt To: Ryan Thompson Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Chroot and ~/bin, ~/etc. Better way? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We considered having all the ftpgroup users share ~/bin and ~/etc dirs with linked copys of the files, but figured that if anyone of them could somehow find a way to update their /bin/ls or something, they could trojan it for the others. They could also try cracking the other accounts if they knew of them in the shared password file - though they wouldn't have the crypted passwords. Obviously symlinks wouldn't work in a chroot()ed env. We also couldn't think of anything better to support users changing their own passwords than having /bin/passwd as their shell. EDI users usually don't change their passwords often anyway... Having something that copied a common one to all user dirsets in the ftpuser group was the best we could think of at the time... - Jy@ On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Ryan Thompson wrote: > Hi everybody; Hi Dr. Nick! (for Simpsons fans) > If this message looks a tad familiar, I posted a similar one to -questions > a couple of weeks ago or so. I'm just trying again :-) > > Basically, I'm just looking for an easier solution for maintaining the bin > and etc directories in user directories. The ~/bin directory isn't bad, > as global changes to these directories are seldom at best on my system. > ~/etc, however, must be updated every time the password file is changed, > and I update my (ftp)motd files semi-frequently, as well. The majority of > my users have ftp accounts only, (thus, chroot is done by ftpd), but there > are still a few with shell accounts. > > Is there a way to maintain ONE copy of /bin and /etc and have it apply to > all chroot'd users? Perhaps I DO need to write a script to periodically > sync the home direcories' copies with my master copy. I would hope for a > more elegant solution, though. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 16:24:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from charlie.orbitalnet.co.uk (charlie.orbitalnet.co.uk [62.232.18.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB791526E for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:24:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darren@office.orbitalnet.co.uk) Received: from Darren (support-ash.orbitalnet.co.uk [62.232.18.69]) by charlie.orbitalnet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA22606 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 00:26:01 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <005401bf143e$f9b85bc0$4512e83e@ORBITALNET> From: "OrbitalNet Office" To: Subject: Mirroring Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 00:18:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, does anyone know of a Disk mirroring system for FreeBSD, for example like the "Symantec Ghost" for PC? Thanks in advance Darren Brown To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 16:30:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from nak.zilch.net (nak.zilch.net [209.70.45.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDC7150D4 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:30:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zoonie@zilch.org) Received: from localhost (zoonie@localhost) by nak.zilch.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16660; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:29:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from zoonie@zilch.org) X-Authentication-Warning: nak.zilch.net: zoonie owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:29:34 -0400 (EDT) From: zoonie X-Sender: zoonie@localhost To: OrbitalNet Office Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mirroring In-Reply-To: <005401bf143e$f9b85bc0$4512e83e@ORBITALNET> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org funny you should ask, i'm looking into the same thing. there are a few mirroring packages in the ports collection that work with ftp and look kinda decent going by the description but one of them has a security problem that was just posted to bugtraq recently. that package is mirror 2.9. i searched through the mailing lists and found out about a package called rsync that is SSH aware and i'm in the process of installing it to try it out. if anybody else has any suggestions please let us know... On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, OrbitalNet Office wrote: > Hi, does anyone know of a Disk mirroring system for FreeBSD, for example > like the "Symantec Ghost" for PC? > > > > > Thanks in advance > Darren Brown > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 16:36:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from va.com.au (va.com.au [203.15.106.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B478152C4 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:36:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesse@va.com.au) Received: from [1.1.1.3] (203.108.215.166) by va.com.au with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2); Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:06:13 +0930 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jesse@mail.va.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:35:58 +1000 To: zoonie , OrbitalNet Office From: jesse reynolds Subject: Re: Mirroring Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Zoonie, I think you're talking about file mirroring, but I think Darren's talking about disk mirroring, ie redundant disks on the one server. Vinum looks good, written by Greg Lehey, author of "the complete freebsd" (for disk mirroring and other volume management technologies). I think rsync is the way to go for file mirroring. cheers jesse At 7:29 PM -0400 11/10/1999, zoonie wrote: >funny you should ask, i'm looking into the same thing. there are a few >mirroring packages in the ports collection that work with ftp and look >kinda decent going by the description but one of them has a security >problem that was just posted to bugtraq recently. that package is mirror >2.9. i searched through the mailing lists and found out about a package >called rsync that is SSH aware and i'm in the process of installing it to >try it out. if anybody else has any suggestions please let us know... > >On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, OrbitalNet Office wrote: > > > Hi, does anyone know of a Disk mirroring system for FreeBSD, for example > > like the "Symantec Ghost" for PC? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > Darren Brown > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Jesse Reynolds - Virtual Artists Pty Ltd - http://www.va.com.au - http://virtual.artists Mobile: (+61) 0414 669 790 Faxmail: (+61) 02 9776 3594 Virtual Community Engine Email: jesse (at) va.com.au http://www.vce.net ?: http://jesse.va.com.au huh?: Content Management System ICQ: 4766684 & Application Server for Timezone: GMT +10:00 Hrs MacOS Webservers (W*API) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 16:46:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (deepwell.com [209.63.174.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E386E14C84 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:46:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@deepwell.com) Received: (qmail 29746 invoked from network); 12 Oct 1999 00:33:30 -0000 Received: from proxy.dcomm.net (HELO terry) (209.63.175.10) by deepwell.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 1999 00:33:30 -0000 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991011163427.00cf19d0@mail1.dcomm.net> X-Sender: freebsd@mail.deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:38:52 -0700 To: jesse reynolds , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Deepwell Internet Subject: Re: Mirroring In-Reply-To: References:

Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Correct me if I am wrong, but I think he is not talking about mirroring at all (file or disk) but replication. He mentioned ghost which is a program written to replicate hard drive partitions. Usually it's used to make a cookie cutter computer. For example, you have 150 cubicles each with the same model Dell desktop PC and you want to install Windows 98, MS Word, etc onto all of them. I know ImageCast for NT allows you to "cast" an image that is not VFAT or NTFS so you could probably do it with that program, but you'd be best off to do it with dd. You could add the drive to an already running system and use dd to duplicate the drive. Look it up in the man pages. -Terry At 09:35 AM 10/12/99 +1000, you wrote: >Zoonie, I think you're talking about file mirroring, but I think Darren's >talking about disk mirroring, ie redundant disks on the one server. > >Vinum looks good, written by Greg Lehey, author of "the complete freebsd" >(for disk mirroring and other volume management technologies). > >I think rsync is the way to go for file mirroring. > >cheers >jesse > >At 7:29 PM -0400 11/10/1999, zoonie wrote: >>funny you should ask, i'm looking into the same thing. there are a few >>mirroring packages in the ports collection that work with ftp and look >>kinda decent going by the description but one of them has a security >>problem that was just posted to bugtraq recently. that package is mirror >>2.9. i searched through the mailing lists and found out about a package >>called rsync that is SSH aware and i'm in the process of installing it to >>try it out. if anybody else has any suggestions please let us know... >> >>On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, OrbitalNet Office wrote: >> >> > Hi, does anyone know of a Disk mirroring system for FreeBSD, for example >> > like the "Symantec Ghost" for PC? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks in advance >> > Darren Brown >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > >-- > Jesse Reynolds - Virtual Artists Pty Ltd - http://www.va.com.au > - http://virtual.artists > Mobile: (+61) 0414 669 790 > Faxmail: (+61) 02 9776 3594 Virtual Community Engine > Email: jesse (at) va.com.au http://www.vce.net > ?: http://jesse.va.com.au huh?: Content Management System > ICQ: 4766684 & Application Server for > Timezone: GMT +10:00 Hrs MacOS Webservers (W*API) > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 16:52:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from nak.zilch.net (nak.zilch.net [209.70.45.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95F11541E for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 16:52:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zoonie@zilch.org) Received: from localhost (zoonie@localhost) by nak.zilch.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16708; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:52:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from zoonie@zilch.org) X-Authentication-Warning: nak.zilch.net: zoonie owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:52:08 -0400 (EDT) From: zoonie X-Sender: zoonie@localhost To: jesse reynolds Cc: OrbitalNet Office , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mirroring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org oops, looking at the message again it does say "disk"...as for disk mirroring you are right, vinum would be good. rsync looks pretty good for file mirroring, i'm busy getting that going right now... On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, jesse reynolds wrote: > Zoonie, I think you're talking about file mirroring, but I think > Darren's talking about disk mirroring, ie redundant disks on the one > server. > > Vinum looks good, written by Greg Lehey, author of "the complete > freebsd" (for disk mirroring and other volume management > technologies). > > I think rsync is the way to go for file mirroring. > > cheers > jesse > > At 7:29 PM -0400 11/10/1999, zoonie wrote: > >funny you should ask, i'm looking into the same thing. there are a few > >mirroring packages in the ports collection that work with ftp and look > >kinda decent going by the description but one of them has a security > >problem that was just posted to bugtraq recently. that package is mirror > >2.9. i searched through the mailing lists and found out about a package > >called rsync that is SSH aware and i'm in the process of installing it to > >try it out. if anybody else has any suggestions please let us know... > > > >On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, OrbitalNet Office wrote: > > > > > Hi, does anyone know of a Disk mirroring system for FreeBSD, for example > > > like the "Symantec Ghost" for PC? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > Darren Brown > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > -- > Jesse Reynolds - Virtual Artists Pty Ltd - http://www.va.com.au > - http://virtual.artists > Mobile: (+61) 0414 669 790 > Faxmail: (+61) 02 9776 3594 Virtual Community Engine > Email: jesse (at) va.com.au http://www.vce.net > ?: http://jesse.va.com.au huh?: Content Management System > ICQ: 4766684 & Application Server for > Timezone: GMT +10:00 Hrs MacOS Webservers (W*API) > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > --------------------------------------------- The devil finds work for idle circuits to do. --------------------------------------------- zoonie at zilch dot org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 17: 2:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from barter.dewline.com (barter.dewline.com [209.208.153.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948DA14A03 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:02:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mackler@dewline.com) Received: from localhost (mackler@localhost) by barter.dewline.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA07995; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:02:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Mackler To: zoonie Cc: jesse reynolds , OrbitalNet Office , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mirroring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org vinum's not ready for prime time is it? is there a way to mirror disks over the network, securely? On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, zoonie wrote: > oops, looking at the message again it does say "disk"...as for disk > mirroring you are right, vinum would be good. rsync looks pretty good for > file mirroring, i'm busy getting that going right now... > > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, jesse reynolds wrote: > > > Zoonie, I think you're talking about file mirroring, but I think > > Darren's talking about disk mirroring, ie redundant disks on the one > > server. > > > > Vinum looks good, written by Greg Lehey, author of "the complete > > freebsd" (for disk mirroring and other volume management > > technologies). > > > > I think rsync is the way to go for file mirroring. > > > > cheers > > jesse > > > > At 7:29 PM -0400 11/10/1999, zoonie wrote: > > >funny you should ask, i'm looking into the same thing. there are a few > > >mirroring packages in the ports collection that work with ftp and look > > >kinda decent going by the description but one of them has a security > > >problem that was just posted to bugtraq recently. that package is mirror > > >2.9. i searched through the mailing lists and found out about a package > > >called rsync that is SSH aware and i'm in the process of installing it to > > >try it out. if anybody else has any suggestions please let us know... > > > > > >On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, OrbitalNet Office wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, does anyone know of a Disk mirroring system for FreeBSD, for example > > > > like the "Symantec Ghost" for PC? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Darren Brown > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > Jesse Reynolds - Virtual Artists Pty Ltd - http://www.va.com.au > > - http://virtual.artists > > Mobile: (+61) 0414 669 790 > > Faxmail: (+61) 02 9776 3594 Virtual Community Engine > > Email: jesse (at) va.com.au http://www.vce.net > > ?: http://jesse.va.com.au huh?: Content Management System > > ICQ: 4766684 & Application Server for > > Timezone: GMT +10:00 Hrs MacOS Webservers (W*API) > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > The devil finds work for idle circuits to do. > --------------------------------------------- > zoonie at zilch dot org > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 17:25:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from filer4.isc.rit.edu (filer4.isc.rit.edu [129.21.3.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4850814A2C for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 17:25:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcptch@osfmail.isc.rit.edu) Received: from grace.isc.rit.edu ("port 3806"@[129.21.3.102]) by osfmail.isc.rit.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #34621) with ESMTP id <0FJG005DZQID4F@osfmail.isc.rit.edu> for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by grace.isc.rit.edu (8.8.8/1.1.19.2/21Sep98-0910AM) id TAA0000025395; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:56:35 -0400 From: Jon Parise Subject: Re: Mirroring In-reply-to: ; from zoonie@zilch.org on Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 07:52:08PM -0400 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-followup-to: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <19991011195635.D22436@osfmail.isc.rit.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.3i X-Operating-System: OSF1 V4.0 (alpha) References:

Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 04:38:52PM -0700, Deepwell Internet wrote: > Correct me if I am wrong, but I think he is not talking about > mirroring at all (file or disk) but replication. He mentioned > ghost which is a program written to replicate hard drive > partitions. Usually it's used to make a cookie cutter computer. > For example, you have 150 cubicles each with the same model Dell > desktop PC and you want to install Windows 98, MS Word, etc onto > all of them. > > I know ImageCast for NT allows you to "cast" an image that is not > VFAT or NTFS so you could probably do it with that program, but > you'd be best off to do it with dd. I've heard good things about Drive Image (from the makers of Partition Magic). I haven't used it personally, but they use it in the labs here to maintain the Linux and NT installations. It can restore drive images over the network, apparently. -- Jon Parise (parise@pobox.com) . Rochester Inst. of Technology http://www.pobox.com/~parise/ : Computer Science House Member To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 18:43:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.knight-trosoft.com (mail.knight-trosoft.com [209.180.70.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F1614C4E for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:43:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johnp@vwebpage.com) Received: from windoze (fp.vwebpage.com [209.180.70.5]) by mail.knight-trosoft.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA26770; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:43:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991011204248.0098a5c0@mail.vwebpage.com> X-Sender: johnp@mail.vwebpage.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:43:53 -0500 To: trouble@hackfurby.com, Kelsey Cummings From: John Prince Subject: Re: many third level domains -- looking for advice Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <37EE88E9.8A8E3115@hackfurby.com> References: <010101bf06e5$119247e0$33f9c9d0@neteze.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there any further info available?? --john At 03:58 PM 9/26/99 -0500, TrouBle wrote: >there is a more secure way to complete this task, and allow unlimited virtual >domains via apache/sendmail/exim/pop3/ftp and it works very nicely.... if you >would like further assistance let me know. Ive created a complete turn-key >virtual environment, that appears to be a single server to each customer yet >is, actually, 500+ customers on the box. > >Kelsey Cummings wrote: > > > I've got a customer who wants to sell third level domains with small > virtual > > webs and one email account. I've agreed to do it, but I'm trying to figure > > out the best way to provide him this service. > > > > Its unfortunate that bind doesn't support wildcards in A records (it > doesn't > > right?) otherwise DNS configuration would be very simple. As far as I can > > tell apache doesn't have an way of doing regex matching in the configs (at > > least as would be needed for this setup) ie: > > > > *.hisdomain.com IN A www.hisdomain.com > > > > > > ServerName $1.hisdomain.com > > DocumentRoot /usr/home/user/www/$1 > > > > > > That would just be too easy. :( > > > > Has anyone setup something similar? How did you do it? > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 18:52: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sasknow.com (h139-142-245-96.ss.FiberONE.NET [139.142.245.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E92814CC1 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:52:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@sasknow.com) Received: from sasknow.com (ntstn [10.0.0.2]) by sasknow.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12523; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:51:56 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from freebsd@sasknow.com) Message-ID: <38029482.9077F9E9@sasknow.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:53:06 -0600 From: "Ryan Thompson [FreeBSD]" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Wyatt Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Chroot and ~/bin, ~/etc. Better way? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I consired hard links, as well (and, after reading the other messages in this thread, it appears others have, too :-) The problem, though, still remains that you can't hard link a directory (users' etc directories on my system contain about a dozen files). That makes for a lot of work when adding users or updating files. (even for a script! :-) And, maintenance is still messy. AND, ln won't create hard links across file systems... LET ALONE NETWORK CONNECTIONS :-) So, that pretty much cinches it for me, as home directories can exist on multiple systems, here. And, as James (below) has mentioned... There is still the security issue. And, in a few specialized cases on my system, I have special requirements for the /etc and /bin directories, and, with hard links, maintenance becomes very bothersome. SO.... I hacked together a perl script today :-) Available via anonymous FTP from: ftp://ftp.sasknow.com/perl/makehome.pl Read the notes in the source for installation instructions. Basically, what it does is the following: - Read password entries of all users with UID >= 1000 - Peek in users' home directory for bin/ and etc/. - If an .update flag exists in these directories, and the version is LESS than the version contained in /home/default/*/.update, overwrite the directory with a new copy from /home/default/* (recursive copy). So, no need for hard links. Works across filesystems/network mounts (indeed, even over ftp with a little work, I'm sure :-). Must run as root. It took me about 45 minutes to write, and another hour to document, so don't expect perfection, here, and test before using in production environments. It works great for me, but may not (probably WILL not) work on some systems. Perl 5 required. I'll happily welcome comments, of course, but don't count on support for this program :-) Virtually yours, Ryan James Wyatt wrote: > > We considered having all the ftpgroup users share ~/bin and ~/etc dirs > with linked copys of the files, but figured that if anyone of them could > somehow find a way to update their /bin/ls or something, they could trojan > it for the others. They could also try cracking the other accounts if they > knew of them in the shared password file - though they wouldn't have the > crypted passwords. Obviously symlinks wouldn't work in a chroot()ed env. > > We also couldn't think of anything better to support users changing their > own passwords than having /bin/passwd as their shell. EDI users usually > don't change their passwords often anyway... > > Having something that copied a common one to all user dirsets in the > ftpuser group was the best we could think of at the time... - Jy@ > > On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Ryan Thompson wrote: > > Hi everybody; > > Hi Dr. Nick! (for Simpsons fans) I'll use a different greeting next time :-) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 19:31:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from voltage.net (voltage.net [204.214.227.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DEA14D4D for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:31:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sward@voltage.net) Received: from arky (arky.voltage.net [204.214.227.12]) by voltage.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B99301680B for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:26:38 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: sward@mail.voltage.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:36:03 -0500 To: From: Susie Ward Subject: Re: Mirroring In-Reply-To: <005401bf143e$f9b85bc0$4512e83e@ORBITALNET> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19991012022638.B99301680B@voltage.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:18 AM 10/12/99 +0100, OrbitalNet Office wrote: >Hi, does anyone know of a Disk mirroring system for FreeBSD, for example >like the "Symantec Ghost" for PC? Not sure exactly what you're looking to accomplish, but I ran across a disk mirroring card that looked rather interesting at http://www.arcoide.com/ I haven't tried one yet, but have been planning on it. Has anyone used this yet? If so, I'd like to hear any comments you have about it. Thanks, Susie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 20:42:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.numachi.com (numachi.numachi.com [198.175.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C4FBE156E3 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:42:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reichert@numachi.com) Received: (qmail 24999 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Oct 1999 03:42:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 23:42:06 -0400 From: Brian Reichert To: "Ryan Thompson [FreeBSD]" Cc: James Wyatt , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Chroot and ~/bin, ~/etc. Better way? Message-ID: <19991011234206.A24645@numachi.com> References: <38029482.9077F9E9@sasknow.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <38029482.9077F9E9@sasknow.com>; from Ryan Thompson [FreeBSD] on Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 07:53:06PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 07:53:06PM -0600, Ryan Thompson [FreeBSD] wrote: > I consired hard links, as well (and, after reading the other messages in > this thread, it appears others have, too :-) The problem, though, still > remains that you can't hard link a directory (users' etc directories on > my system contain about a dozen files). That makes for a lot of work > when adding users or updating files. (even for a script! :-) How so? You could easily cram in all sorts of weird stuff into, say, /home/skel, and a script as simple as: # cd /home/skel ; find -d . -print | \ cpio -p --make-directories --link --quiet ~/new_user would seem to handle the creation of a directory full of hard links. Use a private pw.conf(5) to cause create of local copies of file you want them to be able to touch, and away you go... > And, > maintenance is still messy. Maintenance of what? Certainly, if you change /home/skel after you created ~/new_user, you'd have to re-sync, but so what? Re-run the cpio thang... > AND, ln won't create hard links across file systems... LET ALONE NETWORK > CONNECTIONS :-) So, that pretty much cinches it for me, as home > directories can exist on multiple systems, here. Hence, my original condition that said skel tree be placed on the same drive at the home directories. Consider the magic of rdist, etc. You have no idea how much diskspace/ bandwidth you'd save by have a local tree per disk hosting ftpgroup users... If you are working in a distributed environment, and you are not making use distributed syncronization tools, you will invent a maintenance nightmare for yourself in the long run... > And, as James (below) has mentioned... There is still the security > issue. And, in a few specialized cases on my system, I have special > requirements for the /etc and /bin directories, and, with hard links, > maintenance becomes very bothersome. See below. > > We considered having all the ftpgroup users share ~/bin and ~/etc dirs > > with linked copys of the files, but figured that if anyone of them could > > somehow find a way to update their /bin/ls or something, they could trojan > > it for the others. They could also try cracking the other accounts if they > > knew of them in the shared password file - though they wouldn't have the > > crypted passwords. Obviously symlinks wouldn't work in a chroot()ed env. If you've properly created the chroot'ed account as per suggestions in ftpd(8), then you will be probably as safe as you can get. If someone can write to a root-owned file (irrepsective of a chroot'ed environment), then they can trojan whatever they want, anyway. > > We also couldn't think of anything better to support users changing their > > own passwords than having /bin/passwd as their shell. EDI users usually > > don't change their passwords often anyway... I would have thought that if you are chroot'ed, then you simply could not affect your system-wide password. Am I missing something here? I've worked in environments where we put together a secure (as in 'https') web server/CGI solution for people to 'log in', as to affect some (but not all!) fields of their password entry. -- Brian 'you Bastard' Reichert reichert@numachi.com 37 Crystal Ave. #303 Daytime number: (781) 899-7484 x704 Derry NH 03038-1713 USA Intel architecture: the left-hand path To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 20:51:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2521D14E51 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:51:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: from current1.whiste.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA23953; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:48:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Brian Reichert Cc: "Ryan Thompson [FreeBSD]" , James Wyatt , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Chroot and ~/bin, ~/etc. Better way? In-Reply-To: <19991011234206.A24645@numachi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The BIG question I want to know is does he have a /dev/ for each user? julian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 20:59:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE3C14E51 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:59:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id NAA33013; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:29:09 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:29:09 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Adam Mackler Cc: zoonie , jesse reynolds , OrbitalNet Office , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mirroring Message-ID: <19991012132908.S78191@freebie.lemis.com> References:

Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, 11 October 1999 at 20:02:01 -0400, Adam Mackler wrote: > On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, zoonie wrote: >> On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, jesse reynolds wrote: >>> At 7:29 PM -0400 11/10/1999, zoonie wrote: >>>> On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, OrbitalNet Office wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, does anyone know of a Disk mirroring system for FreeBSD, for example >>>>> like the "Symantec Ghost" for PC? >>>> >>>> funny you should ask, i'm looking into the same thing. there are a few >>>> mirroring packages in the ports collection that work with ftp and look >>>> kinda decent going by the description but one of them has a security >>>> problem that was just posted to bugtraq recently. that package is mirror >>>> 2.9. i searched through the mailing lists and found out about a package >>>> called rsync that is SSH aware and i'm in the process of installing it to >>>> try it out. if anybody else has any suggestions please let us know... >>>> >>> Zoonie, I think you're talking about file mirroring, but I think >>> Darren's talking about disk mirroring, ie redundant disks on the one >>> server. >>> >>> Vinum looks good, written by Greg Lehey, author of "the complete >>> freebsd" (for disk mirroring and other volume management >>> technologies). >>> >>> I think rsync is the way to go for file mirroring. >> >> oops, looking at the message again it does say "disk"...as for disk >> mirroring you are right, vinum would be good. rsync looks pretty good for >> file mirroring, i'm busy getting that going right now... >> > vinum's not ready for prime time is it? Sure, as long as you don't use some of the newer features. We still have some problems with RAID-5 on *some* systems (not on mine, unfortunately, so finding the bug is a real pain), and you can still shoot yourself in the foot if you configure it correctly, but people have been using it for over a year without problems. Mirroring is RAID-1, and that's been working since May 1998. > is there a way to mirror disks over the network, securely? Not yet. It's on the Vinum wish list. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 21:30:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80361573D for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:30:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: from current1.whiste.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA24995; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:26:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: TrouBle Cc: Brian Reichert , "Ryan Thompson [FreeBSD]" , James Wyatt , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Chroot and ~/bin, ~/etc. Better way? In-Reply-To: <3802C1DE.196F143F@hackfurby.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I ask because that's a problem in a DEVFS world. thousands of users would mean thousands of mounted minimal devfs filesystems. The vfs code assumes that there a re not a lot of filesystems as it tends to keep them in a simple linked list. I'm not sure I'd like to see it.. however I have another Idea that may work as well, or, in conjunction with devfs... hmm I'll have to discuss it with PHK et al. Julian On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, TrouBle wrote: > you only need a dev for each user if you are going to be using thing > that need tty/pty... my system has a small dev for each user > > Julian Elischer wrote: > > > > The BIG question I want to know is does he have a /dev/ for each user? > > > > julian > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 21:37:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46C315158 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:37:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00399; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:37:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id VAA00423; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:37:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <000b01bf13c9$a4afc480$0400a8c0@admin.dnepr.com> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: Oleg Semyonov Subject: RE: FreeBSD libradius accounting patch suggestion Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Oleg Semyonov wrote: > Excuse me for my "English" but I'm sure you understand me. Heh, I think your English is better than mine! > I need the pppd-2.3.9(10) daemon with RADIUS authentication > and accounting. I've patched original pppd-2.3.9 distribution for > FreeBSD specifics and put into source the RADIUS capabilities with > almost full support for auth and accounting. To do so I've patched > your libradius sources extracted from FreeBSD 3.* for accounting > support. Patches are attached. Wow, this is great work! Thank you very much -- I really appreciate it. I will put your libradius changes into -current, and then into 3.x-stable a week or two later. I'm not so sure about 2.2-stable. It's really considered to be a dead branch at this point. Nothing is being committed there any more, except (rarely) serious security fixes. > 6. Default accounting config file is /etc/radacct.conf (not the best > solution, IMHO, but no way to extend radius.conf(5) file format to > support accounting and maintain the compatibility with current libradius > version). Hmm, I suppose we could extend the syntax somehow in a compatible way. *auth #the initial default for backward compatibility *acct But I don't think it's worth it. Your solution is fine. Would you mind sending your patches again using send-pr, and then telling me the PR number? Then your patches will be in the GNATS database where they won't be lost. And I'll receive weekly reminders from a cron job somewhere nagging me to commit the stuff. If that's too much trouble, then don't worry. You can nag me yourself instead. :-) There's a possiblity I won't get it done before I have to leave for FreeBSDCon next week, and I don't want to forget it after that. Thanks again for this contribution! John --- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up." -- Nora Ephron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 21:48: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from web119.yahoomail.com (web119.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 99C8314D19 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:48:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jessereynolds@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19991012044910.25326.rocketmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Received: from [139.130.250.20] by web119.yahoomail.com; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:49:10 PDT Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:49:10 -0700 (PDT) From: jesse reynolds Reply-To: jesse@va.com.au Subject: Re: Mirroring To: trouble@hackfurby.com, Adam Mackler Cc: zoonie , jesse reynolds , OrbitalNet Office , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What's CODA? URL? Is it in ports? --- TrouBle wrote: > CODA - server replication at its best > > > Adam Mackler wrote: > > > > vinum's not ready for prime time is it? > > > > is there a way to mirror disks over the network, securely? > > > > On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, zoonie wrote: > > > > ===== -- Jesse Reynolds ---> jesse@va.com.au __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 22:43:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from enya.clari.net.au (enya.clari.net.au [203.8.14.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E492150D9 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:43:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danny@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (danny@localhost) by enya.clari.net.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA01267; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:42:31 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from danny@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: enya.clari.net.au: danny owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:42:31 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" X-Sender: danny@enya.clari.net.au To: zoonie Cc: OrbitalNet Office , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mirroring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, zoonie wrote: > 2.9. i searched through the mailing lists and found out about a package > called rsync that is SSH aware and i'm in the process of installing it to > try it out. if anybody else has any suggestions please let us know... rsync works well. It is bandwidth efficient, but effective, as it compares checksums on a sliding window, not just timestamps and sizes. This means you can do remote sync across a relatively slow link. Danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 22:49: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from enya.clari.net.au (enya.clari.net.au [203.8.14.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB8114BF9 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:49:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danny@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (danny@localhost) by enya.clari.net.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA01305; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:48:23 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from danny@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: enya.clari.net.au: danny owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:48:23 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" X-Sender: danny@enya.clari.net.au To: "Ryan Thompson [FreeBSD]" Cc: James Wyatt , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Chroot and ~/bin, ~/etc. Better way? In-Reply-To: <38029482.9077F9E9@sasknow.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Umm, why aren't you using ftpd with built-in ls? cd /usr/src/libexec/ftpd ; make -DFTPD_INTERNAL_LS ; make install That solves the ~/bin problem. 3.3 has FTPD_INTERNAL_LS as the default. Danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 11 22:59:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sasknow.com (h139-142-245-96.ss.FiberONE.NET [139.142.245.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A54714BDC for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:59:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@sasknow.com) Received: from sasknow.com (ntstn [10.0.0.2]) by sasknow.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13996; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 23:59:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from freebsd@sasknow.com) Message-ID: <3802CE6D.2A166543@sasknow.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 00:00:13 -0600 From: "Ryan Thompson [FreeBSD]" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Reichert Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Chroot and ~/bin, ~/etc. Better way? References: <38029482.9077F9E9@sasknow.com> <19991011234206.A24645@numachi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a LONG message. :-) Brian Reichert wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 07:53:06PM -0600, Ryan Thompson [FreeBSD] wrote: > > I consired hard links, as well (and, after reading the other messages in > > this thread, it appears others have, too :-) The problem, though, still > > remains that you can't hard link a directory (users' etc directories on > > my system contain about a dozen files). That makes for a lot of work > > when adding users or updating files. (even for a script! :-) > > How so? You could easily cram in all sorts of weird stuff into, > say, /home/skel, and a script as simple as: > > # cd /home/skel ; find -d . -print | \ > cpio -p --make-directories --link --quiet ~/new_user > > would seem to handle the creation of a directory full of hard links. > > Use a private pw.conf(5) to cause create of local copies of file > you want them to be able to touch, and away you go... > > > And, > > maintenance is still messy. > > Maintenance of what? Certainly, if you change /home/skel after > you created ~/new_user, you'd have to re-sync, but so what? Re-run > the cpio thang... > > > AND, ln won't create hard links across file systems... LET ALONE NETWORK > > CONNECTIONS :-) So, that pretty much cinches it for me, as home > > directories can exist on multiple systems, here. > > Hence, my original condition that said skel tree be placed on the > same drive at the home directories. For less specialized applications, I'm sure your solution would work just fine. Using cpio is a good idea... But: 1) Some sort of automated script would still be needed to sync ALL users with the skel 2) If the structure of /home/skel changes (files are added or removed), yes, you do need to rerun cpio. Not just once... but for ALL users. Meaning, you STILL need some sort of script to iterate through the password db entries and fix home directories. Am I right? 3) Hard links (even when they work) can be a bit messy. Suppose I have a shell user who would like to use differing version of sh (for whatever reason). ~/bin/sh is hard linked to /home/skel/bin/sh. In order to drop in a new sh, I first have to unlink (ala rm) ~/bin/sh before placing the new file in. Not difficult, by any means. But, suppose I forget. Now ALL users are using a different version of sh. OOPS! Perhaps there are better examples to illustrate this... But I don't want to get too far off topic :-) 4) For my system (and others, I'm certain), it would be impossible for /home/skel to reside on the same filesystem as the users' home directories, as my users' home directories do NOT all reside on the same filesystem themselves. I'm not going to go into the WHY behind it, as my system is not really unique in that respect... The outcome, though, boils down to the fact that, for my system, and others, hard links just aren't going to work. This all brings another question to mind. I DID create a nice little script to maintain multiple copies of needed files based on a default skeleton (see prior message in thread)... And, for me, it works great. However, it's still not a perfect solution. Multiple users mean multiple copies of these files. In some cases, multiple copies are NECESSARY, if, for some users, changes to the defaults are in order. However would something like the following work? (This is where my device mounting knowledge gets a little shaky.. I obviously haven't tested this :-)... - Create two small filesystems (one for bin, one for etc) - When chroot'ed user logs on, do something like the following as the user: mount -r /dev/bindevice /bin mount -r /dev/etcdevice /etc Of course, all users would need to have a small /dev/ directory with a node for each of those devices... This, to me, seems like a similar solution to Brian's, with the following benefits: 1) /bin and /etc directories need not be resynched as they are changed 2) Ability to use the same skeleton for users across filesystems is gained 3) Different skeletons for different groups Drawbacks (not certain about all of these): 1) Speed/memory requirements for mounting additional devices repeatedly? 2) Slower logins on busy systems if mounts need to be done? 3) Specialized bin and etc directories become more difficult. One can not simply destroy a link and drop in changed files. The filesystems would only be mounted when a user logs on... So, unless many simultaneous users were on the same system (hundreds), performance shouldn't be seriously hampered, I don't think... Mind you, I've never tried to mount and unmount hundreds of small filesystems at random. :-) But, every different idea has it's own advantages :-) What would be REALLY nice is if mount -o union worked a bit differently. The way it works now (for the benefit of those who aren't familiar with the option), mounting a filesystem as a union will look for files on the mounted filesystem FIRST before looking in the existing directory. New files, in addition, will be created on the mounted filesystem, instead of the existing directory. I would LIKE to be able to do the following: - Create a skeleton filesystem like the following / .cshrc ...etc /bin ls csh sh ...etc /etc pwd.db group motd ...etc And have users automatically mount it (via login shell script) like: mount -o union /dev/userrootdevice / BUT, have the EXISTING user directory take precedence over the mounted filesystem. Namely, if a new motd is created in the user's directory, the MOUNTED version of motd should be ignored. And, have new files created in the existing user directory. (so they can freely add their own files in public_html, add a pinerc... whatever users normally do in their home directories :-). THAT, imho, would be an elegant solution indeed.... But (remember, I am not a mount guru :-) I would think this would require some modifications to the kernel to possibly add an entirely different option to mount (so the old union option isn't broken) to support the filesystem as mentioned. Thoughts on this? Am I nuts? Would it require a few hours of coding? Or would it take months? Would it create any problems? Security holes? ---- What I have currently done, as I'm sure you've heard me say, is create a neat little perl script to step through home directories in the password database and sync individual directories if they need syncing. The script, with a bit of work, could be made into quite a simple answer... BUT, multiple copies of the files are still scattered, occupying space (not much, mind you... ~250k for each user... But it would still burn up half a gig for 2000 users). The script runs quickly, and ensures that files stay current. Basically, it works well for me... May work well for others... Will probably not work for some. If there's a way to implement my mount -o union idea, I'd be all for it. Currently, though, I'm hard pressed to think of a better solution. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 3:13: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.palnet.com (mail.palnet.com [212.29.201.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8928C15005 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:12:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rjebara@palnet.com) Received: from localhost (rjebara@localhost) by mail.palnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29740; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:12:36 +0200 (IST) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:12:36 +0200 (IST) From: Rami Abu Jebara To: N Cc: Andreas Pleschutznig , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Load balancing between multiple lines? In-Reply-To: <9910111529180.15270-100000@liquid.tpb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi The use of OSPF to do link load balancing is also valid, it has to be supported on both sides though. the routing protocol will give equal cost to the links .. packet forwarding is still done by the kernel. how this applies to this application .. I think it might be something that might help. it would be interesting to this appliction working, from a FreeBSD box though .. something for all of us. Regarding the kernel ... I still think it's a bit of an overkill to rewrite certain parts of it for this application .. I could be wrong .. if I am .. I would be thankfull if you point me in the right direction. Cheers Rami ************************ Rami Abu Jebara Technical Director Palnet Communications Ltd e-mail : rjebara@palnet.com Tel: ++ 972 2 583 5666 Fax: ++ 972 2 583 6354 w w w . p a l n e t . c o m On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, N wrote: > Rami Abu Jebara wrote: > > > OSPF as far as know, can do load balancing .. you have to check with > > your ISP first though. > > You are sadly mistaken. Please read other replies first. Load balancing > isn't a function of an IGP, it's a function of the device making the > routing decisions for each packet. > > > > you can use Zebra or Gated to handle the routing .. > > Only to participate in an IGP. The actual forwarding of packets is still > done by the kernel. > > > > hacking the kernel ... whow ... don't know about this one :) > > It's necessary if you want to use load balancing across multiple equal > cost paths. > > > -- Niels. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 5: 8: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from enya.clari.net.au (enya.clari.net.au [203.8.14.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9554414C84 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 05:08:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danny@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (danny@localhost) by enya.clari.net.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA01909; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:07:50 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from danny@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: enya.clari.net.au: danny owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:07:50 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" X-Sender: danny@enya.clari.net.au To: Tony Finch Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Chroot and ~/bin, ~/etc. Better way? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Tony Finch wrote: > "Daniel O'Callaghan" wrote: > > > >3.3 has FTPD_INTERNAL_LS as the default. > > It does? I can't find FTPD_INTERNAL_LS defined anywhere. If I remember correctly from the commit messages, the define was removed because it was deemed useless to not use internal ls. ie 3.3 has internal ls. Compare the output of 'strings ftpd | fgrep ls'. If internal ls is there, you'll see the ls usage string. Danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 5:21:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from fanf.noc.demon.net (fanf.noc.demon.net [195.11.55.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9CC14DF7; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 05:21:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fanf@demon.net) Received: from fanf by fanf.noc.demon.net with local (Exim 3.02 #13) id 11b0vP-000AgW-00; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:21:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Tony Finch To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Chroot and ~/bin, ~/etc. Better way? In-Reply-To: References:

X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under Emacs 19.34.1 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:21:03 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Tony Finch wrote: > > "Daniel O'Callaghan" wrote: > > > > > >3.3 has FTPD_INTERNAL_LS as the default. > > > > It does? I can't find FTPD_INTERNAL_LS defined anywhere. > > If I remember correctly from the commit messages, the define was removed > because it was deemed useless to not use internal ls. Ah, I see that in the history. It hasn't been MFCed yet. Tony. -- f.a.n.finch dot@dotat.at fanf@demon.net Apache Software Foundation Member To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 8:10: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ple.org (c431822-a.smateo1.sfba.home.com [24.7.95.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB4C15A95 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:09:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andy@ple.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by ple.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA49008; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199910121507.IAA49008@ple.org> X-Authentication-Warning: ple.org: nobody set sender to andy@ple.org using -f From: Andreas Pleschutznig To: Rami Abu Jebara Reply-To: Andreas Pleschutznig Cc: N , Andreas Pleschutznig , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP3 Imap webMail Program 2.0.10 X-Originating-IP: 162.93.14.66 Subject: Re: Load balancing between multiple lines? Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I found the neccesary patches for the kernel to accomodate this. Sadly enough they are for a 2.2.x kernel, so I might have to apply them by hand, but once I have this up and running I will tell make them public again. Unless Chrisy has them readily available for 3.[23] this will take some time, as I am moving also. Andy Quoting Rami Abu Jebara : > Hi > > The use of OSPF to do link load balancing is also valid, it has to be > supported on both sides though. > > the routing protocol will give equal cost to the links .. packet > forwarding is still done by the kernel. > > how this applies to this application .. I think it might be something > that might help. > > it would be interesting to this appliction working, from a FreeBSD box > though .. something for all of us. > > Regarding the kernel ... I still think it's a bit of an overkill to > rewrite certain parts of it for this application .. I could be wrong .. > if I am .. I would be thankfull if you point me in the right direction. > > Cheers > > Rami > > > ************************ > Rami Abu Jebara > Technical Director > Palnet Communications Ltd > e-mail : rjebara@palnet.com > Tel: ++ 972 2 583 5666 > Fax: ++ 972 2 583 6354 > w w w . p a l n e t . c o m > > On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, N wrote: > > > Rami Abu Jebara wrote: > > > > > OSPF as far as know, can do load balancing .. you have to check with > > > your ISP first though. > > > > You are sadly mistaken. Please read other replies first. Load balancing > > isn't a function of an IGP, it's a function of the device making the > > routing decisions for each packet. > > > > > > > you can use Zebra or Gated to handle the routing .. > > > > Only to participate in an IGP. The actual forwarding of packets is still > > done by the kernel. > > > > > > > hacking the kernel ... whow ... don't know about this one :) > > > > It's necessary if you want to use load balancing across multiple equal > > cost paths. > > > > > > -- Niels. > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > -- Andreas Pleschutznig andy@ple.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 8:19:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from zeus.dnt.md (zeus.dnt.md [195.138.124.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9CB14A04 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:19:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sl@zeus.dnt.md) Received: from localhost (sl@localhost) by zeus.dnt.md (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA67038; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:18:59 +0300 (EEST) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:18:58 +0300 (EEST) From: slava revutchi To: Brian Reichert Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Chroot and ~/bin, ~/etc. Better way? In-Reply-To: <19991011155304.B21479@numachi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How do generate the pwd.db file out of passwd when you add a new ftp user to it? > What I have done: create on the /home partition (or wherever these > accounts live) the preferred version of /etc and /bin, and create > a set of hard links in each person's virtual tree to that central > tree. Saves on a lot of diskspace... > > > Thanks again, > > Ryan Thompson > > -- > Brian 'you Bastard' Reichert reichert@numachi.com > 37 Crystal Ave. #303 Daytime number: (781) 899-7484 x704 > Derry NH 03038-1713 USA Intel architecture: the left-hand path > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 8:43:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bekool.com (ns2.netquick.net [216.48.34.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76E914E35 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 08:43:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trouble@hackfurby.com) Received: from bastille.netquick.net ([216.48.32.159] helo=hackfurby.com ident=root) by bekool.com with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11b4R3-0002yZ-00; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:05:57 +0000 Message-ID: <38035B54.4DD58261@hackfurby.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:01:24 -0500 From: TrouBle Reply-To: trouble@hackfurby.com Organization: Hacked Furbies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slava revutchi Cc: Brian Reichert , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Chroot and ~/bin, ~/etc. Better way? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org as "root" type "pwd_mkdb master.passwd" in the directory slava revutchi wrote: > > How do generate the pwd.db file out of passwd when you add a new > ftp user to it? > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 10:19:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bsdie.rwsystems.net (bsdie.rwsystems.net [209.197.223.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BA315178 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:19:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwyatt@rwsystems.net) Received: from bsdie.rwsystems.net([209.197.223.2]) (2882 bytes) by bsdie.rwsystems.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:15:50 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #1 built 1999-Aug-7) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:15:50 -0500 (CDT) From: James Wyatt To: Brian Reichert Cc: "Ryan Thompson [FreeBSD]" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Chroot and ~/bin, ~/etc. Better way? In-Reply-To: <19991011234206.A24645@numachi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Brian Reichert wrote: > On Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 07:53:06PM -0600, Ryan Thompson [FreeBSD] wrote: > > Someone lost my attribution for: > > > We considered having all the ftpgroup users share ~/bin and ~/etc dirs > > > with linked copys of the files, but figured that if anyone of them could > > > somehow find a way to update their /bin/ls or something, they could trojan > > > it for the others. They could also try cracking the other accounts if they > > > knew of them in the shared password file - though they wouldn't have the > > > crypted passwords. Obviously symlinks wouldn't work in a chroot()ed env. > > If you've properly created the chroot'ed account as per suggestions > in ftpd(8), then you will be probably as safe as you can get. If > someone can write to a root-owned file (irrepsective of a chroot'ed > environment), then they can trojan whatever they want, anyway. Depends on what 'they want' and if you hard-link everyone's ~/bin/ls... (bad example, internal ls is fix for this.) If they are not linked, so what? They trojan only that user (might not be them of the account is cracked). If the ~/bin/ls (or another shared binary) is hard-linked to everyone else's, they can get do a lot more. > > > We also couldn't think of anything better to support users changing their > > > own passwords than having /bin/passwd as their shell. EDI users usually > > > don't change their passwords often anyway... > > I would have thought that if you are chroot'ed, then you simply > could not affect your system-wide password. Am I missing something > here? I've worked in environments where we put together a secure > (as in 'https') web server/CGI solution for people to 'log in', as > to affect some (but not all!) fields of their password entry. If they are chroot()ed and the local ~/etc/passwd files have more account names than just theirs, they have more names to try cracking, that's all. They do not contain crypted passwords, of course, and you would never link them to the system /etc/passwd file anyway. Is there anything *wrong* with using /bin/passwd as a shell, since it shouldn't process .*rc or .login or .profile files? I like the ssh/cgi solution, btw, Got Source(tm)? - Jy@ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 11:50:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cronus.medianetwork.se (cronus.medianetwork.se [193.14.204.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D6E15AC8 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from support@junglenote.com) Received: from junglenote.com (digital21.medianetwork.se [193.14.204.239]) by cronus.medianetwork.se (8.9.3/8.7) with ESMTP id UAA10028 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:49:58 +0200 Received: from enigmatic [127.0.0.1] by junglenote.com [localhost] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.84.R) for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:54:07 +0200 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:54:06 +0200 Message-ID: <01BF14F3.EC53B320.support@junglenote.com> From: Dan Larsson To: "[FreeBSD-ISP-List] (E-post)" Cc: "[FreeBSD-Questions-List] (E-post)" Subject: how-to setup billing per MB? Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:54:05 +0200 Organization: Portabla Datorer AB X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet-e-post/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Return-Path: support@junglenote.com Reply-To: support@junglenote.com Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My employer wants me to implement billing per MB. * I need to be able to set some kind of MB threshold value for when billing should occur * All clients have static IP addresses so it has to be based on per ethernet address (if possible) or per IP address How do I do this with a FreeBSD based computer? (assuming it's at all possible) Thanks in advance! /D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 12:18:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D941509B; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:18:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06005; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:18:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:18:08 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Dan Larsson Cc: "[FreeBSD-ISP-List] (E-post)" , "[FreeBSD-Questions-List] (E-post)" Subject: Re: how-to setup billing per MB? Message-ID: <19991012141808.A5946@dan.emsphone.com> References: <01BF14F3.EC53B320.support@junglenote.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <01BF14F3.EC53B320.support@junglenote.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In the last episode (Oct 12), Dan Larsson said: > My employer wants me to implement billing per MB. > > * I need to be able to set some kind of MB threshold value for when > billing should occur > * All clients have static IP addresses so it has to be based on per ethernet address (if possible) > or per IP address You can set up ipfw rules to count the packets going to each IP, then every hour/day store the counts in a database somewhere, and base your billing off of that. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@emsphone.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 12:34:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A589814FD7 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:34:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA04116; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910121931.PAA04116@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:31:14 -0400 To: support@junglenote.com, From: Dennis Subject: Re: how-to setup billing per MB? In-Reply-To: <01BF14F3.EC53B320.support@junglenote.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:54 PM 10/12/99 +0200, Dan Larsson wrote: >My employer wants me to implement billing per MB. > >* I need to be able to set some kind of MB threshold value for when billing should occur >* All clients have static IP addresses so it has to be based on per ethernet address (if possible) > or per IP address > >How do I do this with a FreeBSD based computer? (assuming it's at all possible) > >Thanks in advance! Uh, our BWMGR product for FreeBSD can keep track of customer usage per IP or MAC address. You guys own one I believe...there cant be another junglenote..... Dennis Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com ISA and PCI T1/T3/V35/HSSI Cards for FreeBSD and LINUX Multiport T1 and HSSI/T3 UNIX-based Routers Bandwidth Management Standalone Systems Bandwidth Management software for LINUX and FreeBSD DSL Frame Relay Bridging over T1 and T3 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 12:49:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bsdie.rwsystems.net (bsdie.rwsystems.net [209.197.223.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B771414C9C for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:49:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwyatt@rwsystems.net) Received: from bsdie.rwsystems.net([209.197.223.2]) (1116 bytes) by bsdie.rwsystems.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:38:31 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #1 built 1999-Aug-7) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:38:30 -0500 (CDT) From: James Wyatt To: TrouBle Cc: slava revutchi , Brian Reichert , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Chroot and ~/bin, ~/etc. Better way? In-Reply-To: <38035B54.4DD58261@hackfurby.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org GACK! Do *not do this! It can overwrite your *system* password file! You most likely want to do something like: pwd_mkdb -d ~theuser/etc ~theuser/etc/passwd Something about this still doesn't feel right... - Jy@ On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, TrouBle wrote: > as "root" type "pwd_mkdb master.passwd" in the directory > > slava revutchi wrote: > > How do generate the pwd.db file out of passwd when you add a new > > ftp user to it? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 13:10:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bekool.com (ns2.netquick.net [216.48.34.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEED314C88 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:10:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trouble@hackfurby.com) Received: from bastille.netquick.net ([216.48.32.159] helo=hackfurby.com ident=root) by bekool.com with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11b8bR-0004MT-00; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:32:57 +0000 Message-ID: <380399E4.53AECD9A@hackfurby.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:28:20 -0500 From: TrouBle Reply-To: trouble@hackfurby.com Organization: Hacked Furbies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Wyatt Cc: slava revutchi , Brian Reichert , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Chroot and ~/bin, ~/etc. Better way? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org first off if the user is chrooted...... then it will not reflect on the main /etc/master.passwd it will up date the /virtual/someuser/etc/master.passwd i should have stated only to be sure and chroot to the account before you type the command .... James Wyatt wrote: > > GACK! Do *not do this! It can overwrite your *system* password file! > > You most likely want to do something like: > pwd_mkdb -d ~theuser/etc ~theuser/etc/passwd > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 13:12:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bekool.com (ns2.netquick.net [216.48.34.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E26715561 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:12:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trouble@hackfurby.com) Received: from bastille.netquick.net ([216.48.32.159] helo=hackfurby.com ident=root) by bekool.com with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11b8dl-0004RW-00; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:35:21 +0000 Message-ID: <38039A77.4C1DBA0E@hackfurby.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:30:47 -0500 From: TrouBle Reply-To: trouble@hackfurby.com Organization: Hacked Furbies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Wyatt Cc: slava revutchi , Brian Reichert , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Chroot and ~/bin, ~/etc. Better way? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org And ill finish by stating that this is how i/we do it all the time... forst chroot into the vitual account, then issue the pwd_mkdb command as root in the virtual user directory i specialize in chrooted file systems and virtual users for all services even telnet/httpd/ftpd/pop3/imap/smtp ..... and have created a virtual filesytem for this type of design.... its not rocket science.... ...and that is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 13:50:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (deepwell.com [209.63.174.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 701A114C32 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:50:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@deepwell.com) Received: (qmail 2101 invoked from network); 12 Oct 1999 21:37:58 -0000 Received: from proxy.dcomm.net (HELO terry) (209.63.175.10) by deepwell.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 1999 21:37:58 -0000 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991012124838.00c8cb40@mail1.dcomm.net> X-Sender: freebsd@mail.deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:43:55 -0700 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Deepwell Internet Subject: load balancing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I have a bizarre question about load balancing. If I had three separate ADSL lines, each with a single IP number, how would I go about load balancing across all of them? With a 384k/128k ADSL line I could load balance outgoing across three DSL lines, but accept incoming bandwidth on only one of them if need be. Is there an easy solution to provide a load balance in a situation like this? I realize using three ADSL lines for any sort of high bandwidth usage is ludicrous. -Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 15: 4: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from runner.jjsoft.com (jahanur.intur.net [206.97.149.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C34114FF8 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:03:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jahanur@jjsoft.com) Received: from localhost (jahanur@localhost) by runner.jjsoft.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA00937 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:03:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:03:44 -0500 (CDT) From: jahanur To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: nslookup problem please help. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I am having problem with one my customers domain name. I am setting it up as a virtual name. We have a lot of virtuals they are all working fine.Even I added different domain name after this particular one and they are all working fine. Domain name is turkishtop500.com. If I do whois turkishtop500.com. it shows our dns entries successfully. And named was setup correctly also. but if I do nslookup on turkishtop500.com it resolves to old server. I dont have any clue to what is going on. I thought if I change it with the Internic it should automaticaly look for our servers. Please help. Thanks Jahanur@jjsoft.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 15:59:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bsdie.rwsystems.net (bsdie.rwsystems.net [209.197.223.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BECE15785 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:59:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwyatt@rwsystems.net) Received: from bsdie.rwsystems.net([209.197.223.2]) (1997 bytes) by bsdie.rwsystems.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:48:16 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #1 built 1999-Aug-7) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:48:16 -0500 (CDT) From: James Wyatt To: TrouBle Cc: slava revutchi , Brian Reichert , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Chroot and ~/bin, ~/etc. Better way? In-Reply-To: <38039A77.4C1DBA0E@hackfurby.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, TrouBle wrote: > Subject: Re: Chroot and ~/bin, ~/etc. Better way? > > And ill finish by stating that this is how i/we do it all the time... > forst chroot into the vitual account, then issue the pwd_mkdb command as > root in the virtual user directory I'll add that telling the user to do a pwd_mkdb and then having to follow the message up with a "first chroot to the user" is like giving the list of chemicals for nitroglycerine and including a note later about keeping the temperature very low during mixing. I admit that taking advice from a list without a grain of salt (understanding) before forging ahead yields demonstrations of Darwin's laws, though... This list is better than most. > i specialize in chrooted file systems and virtual users for all services > even telnet/httpd/ftpd/pop3/imap/smtp ..... and have created a virtual > filesytem for this type of design.... its not rocket science.... Is this why mail to 'trouble@hackfurby.com' bounces with invalid user? 8{) btw: Thanks for the Furby schematic! If I could only find one for my Teddy Ruxpin, I could hack it too. There was an article in DDJ quite some time ago about making Teddy tapes at home, but I can't find my copy any more. It should be a breaze with OPL/midi and .wav/au support now. Anyone? - Jy@ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 16:57:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from richard2.pil.net (richard2.pil.net [207.8.164.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6072C14BC7 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:57:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from up@pil.net) Received: (qmail 9650 invoked by uid 1825); 12 Oct 1999 23:57:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:57:50 -0400 (EDT) From: X-Sender: up@richard2.pil.net To: jahanur Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nslookup problem please help. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You named is NOT set up correctly. You need to advance your serial number PAST: 19990902 You currently have it as: 1999080205 Don't forget to HUP named... On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, jahanur wrote: > Hi, > > I am having problem with one my customers domain name. > I am setting it up as a virtual name. > We have a lot of virtuals they are all working fine.Even I added different > domain name after this particular one and they are all working fine. > Domain name is turkishtop500.com. > If I do whois turkishtop500.com. it shows our dns entries successfully. > And named was setup correctly also. > but if I do nslookup on turkishtop500.com it resolves to old server. > I dont have any clue to what is going on. > I thought if I change it with the Internic it should automaticaly look for > our servers. > Please help. > > Thanks > Jahanur@jjsoft.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. 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Visit for information and registration. ========================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 17:10:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from runner.jjsoft.com (jahanur.intur.net [206.97.149.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0800C14A27 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:10:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jahanur@jjsoft.com) Received: from localhost (jahanur@localhost) by runner.jjsoft.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA01200; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:10:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:10:42 -0500 (CDT) From: jahanur To: up@3.am Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nslookup problem please help. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think I have it right it is set as 19991012 thanks Jahanur On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 up@3.am wrote: > > You named is NOT set up correctly. You need to advance your serial > number PAST: 19990902 > > You currently have it as: > > 1999080205 > > Don't forget to HUP named... > > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, jahanur wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I am having problem with one my customers domain name. > > I am setting it up as a virtual name. > > We have a lot of virtuals they are all working fine.Even I added different > > domain name after this particular one and they are all working fine. > > Domain name is turkishtop500.com. > > If I do whois turkishtop500.com. it shows our dns entries successfully. > > And named was setup correctly also. > > but if I do nslookup on turkishtop500.com it resolves to old server. > > I dont have any clue to what is going on. > > I thought if I change it with the Internic it should automaticaly look for > > our servers. > > Please help. > > > > Thanks > > Jahanur@jjsoft.com > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor > up@3.am http://3.am > ========================================================================= > ISPF 3 - The Forum for ISPs by ISPs(tm) || Nov 15-17, 1999, New Orleans > 3 days of clues, news, and views from the industry's best and brightest. > Visit for information and registration. > ========================================================================= > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 17:26: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from richard2.pil.net (richard2.pil.net [207.8.164.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 229EE14CD4 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:21:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from up@pil.net) Received: (qmail 11550 invoked by uid 1825); 13 Oct 1999 00:21:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:21:36 -0400 (EDT) From: X-Sender: up@richard2.pil.net To: jahanur Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nslookup problem please help. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Did you HUP named? I did SOA lookups from my server AND your primary DNS: > set q=soa > turkishtop500.com Server: edward.pil.net Address: 207.8.164.2 turkishtop500.com origin = astguru2.turkishtop500.com mail addr = root.turkishtop500.com.turkishtop500.com serial = 19991012 refresh = 36000 (10H) retry = 3600 (1H) expire = 3600000 (5w6d16h) minimum ttl = 3600 (1H) turkishtop500.com nameserver = astguru2.iguru.com astguru2.iguru.com internet address = 208.206.231.67 > > server NS.IGURU.NET Default Server: NS.IGURU.NET Address: 208.206.231.66 > turkishtop500.com Server: NS.IGURU.NET Address: 208.206.231.66 Non-authoritative answer: turkishtop500.com origin = ns1.dynamicweb.net mail addr = staff.dynamicweb.net serial = 1999080205 refresh = 10800 (3H) retry = 3600 (1H) expire = 604800 (1W) minimum ttl = 86400 (1D) Authoritative answers can be found from: turkishtop500.com nameserver = ns1.dynamicweb.net turkishtop500.com nameserver = NS2.dynamicweb.net ns1.dynamicweb.net internet address = 205.178.159.134 NS2.dynamicweb.net internet address = 205.178.138.137 Either you didn't HUP named, or your not updating the correct server (NS.IGURU.NET)... On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, jahanur wrote: > > I think I have it right it is set as 19991012 > thanks > Jahanur > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 up@3.am wrote: > > > > > You named is NOT set up correctly. You need to advance your serial > > number PAST: 19990902 > > > > You currently have it as: > > > > 1999080205 > > > > Don't forget to HUP named... > > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, jahanur wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am having problem with one my customers domain name. > > > I am setting it up as a virtual name. > > > We have a lot of virtuals they are all working fine.Even I added different > > > domain name after this particular one and they are all working fine. > > > Domain name is turkishtop500.com. > > > If I do whois turkishtop500.com. it shows our dns entries successfully. > > > And named was setup correctly also. > > > but if I do nslookup on turkishtop500.com it resolves to old server. > > > I dont have any clue to what is going on. > > > I thought if I change it with the Internic it should automaticaly look for > > > our servers. > > > Please help. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Jahanur@jjsoft.com > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor > > up@3.am http://3.am > > ========================================================================= > > ISPF 3 - The Forum for ISPs by ISPs(tm) || Nov 15-17, 1999, New Orleans > > 3 days of clues, news, and views from the industry's best and brightest. > > Visit for information and registration. > > ========================================================================= > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am ========================================================================= ISPF 3 - The Forum for ISPs by ISPs(tm) || Nov 15-17, 1999, New Orleans 3 days of clues, news, and views from the industry's best and brightest. Visit for information and registration. ========================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 17:31:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tinker.com (troll.tinker.com [204.214.7.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C1414CD4 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:30:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from carol@tinker.com) Received: by localhost (8.8.5/8.8.5) Received: by mail.tinker.com via smap (V2.0) id xma029804; Tue Oct 12 19:08:05 1999 Received: by localhost (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09921 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:31:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3803D20C.B5D27C47@tinker.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:27:56 -0500 From: Carol Deihl Organization: Shrier and Deihl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nslookup problem please help. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Jahanur, Registration at the Internic doesn't tell *where* your *servers* are, but *which name servers* to ask to find out where your servers are. The Internic is reporting that the name servers for your domain are: turkishtop500.com. 172800 NS NS.IGURU.NET. turkishtop500.com. 172800 NS NS.IGURU.COM. At ns.iguru.net, a "dig" reports this information: $ dig @ns.iguru.net turkishtop500.com any ; <<>> DiG 2.2 <<>> @ns.iguru.net turkishtop500.com any ; (1 server found) ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch ;; got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 10 ;; flags: qr rd ra; Ques: 1, Ans: 4, Auth: 2, Addit: 2 ;; QUESTIONS: ;; turkishtop500.com, type = ANY, class = IN ;; ANSWERS: turkishtop500.com. 60356 NS NS1.DYNAMICWEB.NET. turkishtop500.com. 60356 NS NS2.DYNAMICWEB.NET. turkishtop500.com. 24276 SOA NS1.DYNAMICWEB.NET. staff.DYNAMICWEB.NET. ( 1999080205 ; serial 10800 ; refresh (3 hours) 3600 ; retry (1 hour) 604800 ; expire (7 days) 86400 ) ; minimum (1 day) turkishtop500.com. 67250 A 205.178.149.87 ;; AUTHORITY RECORDS: turkishtop500.com. 60356 NS NS1.DYNAMICWEB.NET. turkishtop500.com. 60356 NS NS2.DYNAMICWEB.NET. ;; ADDITIONAL RECORDS: NS1.DYNAMICWEB.NET. 151540 A 205.178.159.134 NS2.DYNAMICWEB.NET. 151540 A 205.178.138.137 Note this information says that servers at dynamicweb.net are your name servers, which I presume is the *old* information. So, the named configuration at ns.iguru.net is *not* correct. It needs to be fixed. The information at your secondary (ns.iguru.com) is different: $ dig @ns.iguru.com turkishtop500.com any ; <<>> DiG 2.2 <<>> @ns.iguru.com turkishtop500.com any ; (1 server found) ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch ;; got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 10 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; Ques: 1, Ans: 3, Auth: 1, Addit: 1 ;; QUESTIONS: ;; turkishtop500.com, type = ANY, class = IN ;; ANSWERS: turkishtop500.com. 3600 NS astguru2.iguru.com. turkishtop500.com. 3600 A 208.206.231.67 turkishtop500.com. 3600 SOA astguru2.turkishtop500.com. root.turkishtop500.com.turkishtop500.com. ( 19991012 ; serial 36000 ; refresh (10 hours) 3600 ; retry (1 hour) 3600000 ; expire (41 days 16 hours) 3600 ) ; minimum (1 hour) ;; AUTHORITY RECORDS: turkishtop500.com. 3600 NS astguru2.iguru.com. ;; ADDITIONAL RECORDS: astguru2.iguru.com. 3600 A 208.206.231.67 So if 208.206.231.67 is the correct (new) address, ns.iguru.com has the correct information. If not, it will need to be updated too. Note that when you update the named config, remember to update the serial number in the SOA record, or named won't notice that you've updated the information. Also, remember to HUP named afterwards, too! Hope this helps, Carol jahanur wrote: > > Hi, > > I am having problem with one my customers domain name. > I am setting it up as a virtual name. > We have a lot of virtuals they are all working fine.Even I added different > domain name after this particular one and they are all working fine. > Domain name is turkishtop500.com. > If I do whois turkishtop500.com. it shows our dns entries successfully. > And named was setup correctly also. > but if I do nslookup on turkishtop500.com it resolves to old server. > I dont have any clue to what is going on. > I thought if I change it with the Internic it should automaticaly look for > our servers. > Please help. > > Thanks > Jahanur@jjsoft.com -- Carol Deihl - principal, Shrier and Deihl - mailto:carol@tinker.com Remote Unix Network Admin, Security, Internet Software Development Tinker Internet Services - Superior FreeBSD-based Web Hosting http://www.tinker.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 17:40:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tinker.com (troll.tinker.com [204.214.7.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B687714D28 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:39:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from carol@tinker.com) Received: by localhost (8.8.5/8.8.5) Received: by mail.tinker.com via smap (V2.0) id xma029829; Tue Oct 12 19:16:36 1999 Received: by localhost (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11469; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:39:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3803D40B.23E2D7C4@tinker.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:36:27 -0500 From: Carol Deihl Organization: Shrier and Deihl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jahanur Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nslookup problem please help. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Note that changing the serial number doesn't help if the rest of the data in the file is incorrect :-) (as I described in a previous message). Also, note that using a date-style string for the serial number in the SOA records is merely a convenience for the DNS administrator, so that it's easy to see when a DNS record was last updated. The only requirement from named's point of view is that a new serial number must be *greater than* the old serial number, otherwise named won't think that the configuration file has been updated. Also note that when changing values in DNS, some servers will have cached the old values, and they won't time out until the "TTL" time (given either in the SOA records, on the A record itself, or in the $TTL directive) has passed. (In general, one would allow for the Refresh time also, but in this case it looks like both dns servers are directly controlled and can be updated with the correct information at the same time.) Regards, Carol jahanur wrote: > > I think I have it right it is set as 19991012 > thanks > Jahanur > > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 up@3.am wrote: > > > > > You named is NOT set up correctly. You need to advance your serial > > number PAST: 19990902 > > > > You currently have it as: > > > > 1999080205 > > > > Don't forget to HUP named... > > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, jahanur wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am having problem with one my customers domain name. > > > I am setting it up as a virtual name. > > > We have a lot of virtuals they are all working fine.Even I added different > > > domain name after this particular one and they are all working fine. > > > Domain name is turkishtop500.com. > > > If I do whois turkishtop500.com. it shows our dns entries successfully. > > > And named was setup correctly also. > > > but if I do nslookup on turkishtop500.com it resolves to old server. > > > I dont have any clue to what is going on. > > > I thought if I change it with the Internic it should automaticaly look for > > > our servers. > > > Please help. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Jahanur@jjsoft.com > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor > > up@3.am http://3.am > > ========================================================================= > > ISPF 3 - The Forum for ISPs by ISPs(tm) || Nov 15-17, 1999, New Orleans > > 3 days of clues, news, and views from the industry's best and brightest. > > Visit for information and registration. > > ========================================================================= > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Carol Deihl - principal, Shrier and Deihl - mailto:carol@tinker.com Remote Unix Network Admin, Security, Internet Software Development Tinker Internet Services - Superior FreeBSD-based Web Hosting http://www.tinker.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 17:46:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sasknow.com (h139-142-245-96.ss.FiberONE.NET [139.142.245.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA51D14D51 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:46:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@sasknow.com) Received: from sasknow.com (ntstn [10.0.0.2]) by sasknow.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20929 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:46:33 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from freebsd@sasknow.com) Message-ID: <3803D6AD.F9452825@sasknow.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:47:41 -0600 From: "Ryan Thompson [FreeBSD]" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Chroot and ~/bin, ~/etc. Better way? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Greg Greg W wrote: > > Hi > > went to your FTP looking for this, but could not find it...... I just checked it from a remote machine... Works fine. You should be able to grab it. The location again (anonymous login) is: ftp.sasknow.com/pub/perl/makehome.pl (8753 bytes) > Is there a problem copying all files in /bin /lib to each users dir ? You mean copying ALL files from your system /bin directory, for example? I suppose there is no "yes or no" answer to this question... It all depends on how much access you want to provide your users. If you're considering this, I urge you to have a close look at what you have in your /bin directory and understand exactly what it is you are allowing users to do. For the most part, if you have set permissions correctly on files they have access to, your users can't get into a lot of trouble with the files in /bin... HOWEVER, they still have access to cp, rm, ps, kill, (c)sh, and so on. ps -ax allows a user to see all currently running processes. (Possibly pointing to security holes in your implementation). If a user has write access to any directory (public_html for example), cp and mkdir can fill up a filesystem pretty fast if you haven't set a quota for the user.. A cleverly (or not so cleverly!) designed loop in a shell script could bring the average system to its knees... Basically, use your head. Be careful of permissions. If users don't need access to a program, don't give it to them. Make sure you know exactly what you are enabling. > I figure if they start playin round I will know pretty quick cause they will > be complaining of no FTP.... chown root:wheel * chmod 755 * ... Ensures they won't be deleting any binaries by accident. :-) Read the manpage for ftpd very carefully; if you follow the basic outline specified there, you should be ok. > > I am interested in the script though It ought to be there... If you are really having problems connecting, I can send it via email... But you shouldn't have any problems connecting :-) Virtually yours, - Ryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 17:48:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from kerouac.deepwell.com (deepwell.com [209.63.174.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BBB6E14A0D for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:48:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@deepwell.com) Received: (qmail 18876 invoked from network); 13 Oct 1999 01:35:37 -0000 Received: from proxy.dcomm.net (HELO terry) (209.63.175.10) by deepwell.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 1999 01:35:37 -0000 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991012173805.00d2ad30@mail1.dcomm.net> X-Sender: freebsd@mail.deepwell.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:41:32 -0700 To: Carol Deihl , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Deepwell Internet Subject: Re: nslookup problem please help. In-Reply-To: <3803D40B.23E2D7C4@tinker.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Also, if you're seeing zone records with serial numbers different than your newest it's probably one of the following: 1) you're looking at a cached copy. This would show "non-authoritative answer" or 2) You are querying a secondary name server which is keeping a wrong record. This has happened where we don't have the secondary name server listed correctly with an NS record in the SOA block. At 07:36 PM 10/12/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, > >Note that changing the serial number doesn't help if the rest of the >data in the file is incorrect :-) (as I described in a previous >message). > >Also, note that using a date-style string for the serial number in >the SOA records is merely a convenience for the DNS administrator, >so that it's easy to see when a DNS record was last updated. The only >requirement from named's point of view is that a new serial number >must be *greater than* the old serial number, otherwise named >won't think that the configuration file has been updated. > >Also note that when changing values in DNS, some servers will have >cached the old values, and they won't time out until the "TTL" >time (given either in the SOA records, on the A record itself, >or in the $TTL directive) has passed. (In general, one would >allow for the Refresh time also, but in this case it looks like >both dns servers are directly controlled and can be updated >with the correct information at the same time.) > >Regards, >Carol > >jahanur wrote: > > > > I think I have it right it is set as 19991012 > > thanks > > Jahanur > > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 up@3.am wrote: > > > > > > > > You named is NOT set up correctly. You need to advance your serial > > > number PAST: 19990902 > > > > > > You currently have it as: > > > > > > 1999080205 > > > > > > Don't forget to HUP named... > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, jahanur wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I am having problem with one my customers domain name. > > > > I am setting it up as a virtual name. > > > > We have a lot of virtuals they are all working fine.Even I added > different > > > > domain name after this particular one and they are all working fine. > > > > Domain name is turkishtop500.com. > > > > If I do whois turkishtop500.com. it shows our dns entries successfully. > > > > And named was setup correctly also. > > > > but if I do nslookup on turkishtop500.com it resolves to old server. > > > > I dont have any clue to what is going on. > > > > I thought if I change it with the Internic it should automaticaly > look for > > > > our servers. > > > > Please help. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Jahanur@jjsoft.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor > > > > up@3.am http://3.am > > > ========================================================================= > > > ISPF 3 - The Forum for ISPs by ISPs(tm) || Nov 15-17, 1999, New Orleans > > > 3 days of clues, news, and views from the industry's best and brightest. > > > Visit for information and registration. > > > ========================================================================= > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > >-- >Carol Deihl - principal, Shrier and Deihl - mailto:carol@tinker.com >Remote Unix Network Admin, Security, Internet Software Development > Tinker Internet Services - Superior FreeBSD-based Web Hosting > http://www.tinker.com/ > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 18:12:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from poseidon.hamsterville.ultranet.com (poseidon.hamsterville.ultranet.com [146.115.71.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C592C14A14 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:12:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@hamsterville.ultranet.com) Received: from ENERGIZER (energizer.hamsterville.ultranet.com [146.115.71.106]) by poseidon.hamsterville.ultranet.com (8.9.3/8.9.0/1.0-bcg) with SMTP id VAA05550; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01ad01bf1518$505e29d0$6a477392@dsg.hamsterville.ultranet.com> From: "Ben Goodwin" To: "jahanur" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: nslookup problem please help. Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:14:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 19991012 is not greater than 1999080205. You're missing two digits at the end of the number.. Make it 1999101200 and HUP named ... Also, checking your logs in /var/log/ (I can't remember which one the stock syslog.conf puts daemon messages) for the name of the zone helps a lot. It'll point out errors and the like ... -=| Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "jahanur" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 8:10 PM Subject: Re: nslookup problem please help. > > I think I have it right it is set as 19991012 > thanks > Jahanur > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 up@3.am wrote: > > > > > You named is NOT set up correctly. You need to advance your serial > > number PAST: 19990902 > > > > You currently have it as: > > > > 1999080205 > > > > Don't forget to HUP named... > > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, jahanur wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am having problem with one my customers domain name. > > > I am setting it up as a virtual name. > > > We have a lot of virtuals they are all working fine.Even I added different > > > domain name after this particular one and they are all working fine. > > > Domain name is turkishtop500.com. > > > If I do whois turkishtop500.com. it shows our dns entries successfully. > > > And named was setup correctly also. > > > but if I do nslookup on turkishtop500.com it resolves to old server. > > > I dont have any clue to what is going on. > > > I thought if I change it with the Internic it should automaticaly look for > > > our servers. > > > Please help. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Jahanur@jjsoft.com > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor > > up@3.am http://3.am > > ========================================================================= > > ISPF 3 - The Forum for ISPs by ISPs(tm) || Nov 15-17, 1999, New Orleans > > 3 days of clues, news, and views from the industry's best and brightest. > > Visit for information and registration. > > ========================================================================= > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 18:34:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from runner.jjsoft.com (jahanur.intur.net [206.97.149.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA1B914E64 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:34:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jahanur@jjsoft.com) Received: from localhost (jahanur@localhost) by runner.jjsoft.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA01407 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:34:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:34:05 -0500 (CDT) From: jahanur To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nslookup problem please help Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ---------- Forwarded message ---------- I have nothing to do with ns1.dynamicaweb.net. I dont know who they are. They may be the previous host ppl. Thats what I am trying to resolve to their site. Unless ns1.dynamicaweb.net still did not take the site down. If you do ping you will see that it still showing their address. Is it true then that it does not matter what the internic reports for the dns servers anybody can host it. Or then why do you pay internic at all. If it is not telling the nslookup for turkishtop500.com in ns.iguru.net or .com Somthing must be wrong. By the way here is zone file. turkishtop500.com. IN SOA astguru2.turkishtop500.com. root.turkishtop500.com ( 19991012; serial number 36000 ; refresh 10 hrs 3600 ; retry 1 hours 3600000 ; expire 100 hours 3600 ; minimum 10 hrs ) ;define nameservers ; turkishtop500.com. NS astguru2.iguru.com. turkishtop500.com. A 208.206.231.67 ;define localhost ; localhost IN A 127.0.0.1 astguru2 IN A 208.206.231.67 turkishtop500.com IN MX 10 astguru2.iguru.com ; IN MX 10 astguru2 ;setup the hosts ; ; ;* IN MX 10 ns.jjsoft.com. www IN CNAME astguru2.turkishtop500.com. ns IN CNAME astguru2.turkishtop500.com. mail IN CNAME astguru2.turkishtop500.com. pop3 IN CNAME astguru2.turkishtop500.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 18:50:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from richard2.pil.net (richard2.pil.net [207.8.164.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E2E3114E64 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:50:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from up@pil.net) Received: (qmail 18782 invoked by uid 1825); 13 Oct 1999 01:50:26 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:50:26 -0400 (EDT) From: X-Sender: up@richard2.pil.net To: jahanur Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nslookup problem please help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org you're not listening...the problem is your serial number is smaller (because it has fewer decimal places) than the last known valid record for this zone that hasn't expired. That's why that zone file is coming up, rather than yours. As someone else pointed out, 1999080205 is actually a larger number than 19991012, which has fewer decimal places. In a nutshell: Change the serial number to 1999101201 and HUP named. Problem solved. On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, jahanur wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > I have nothing to do with ns1.dynamicaweb.net. I dont know who they are. > They may be the previous host ppl. Thats what I am trying to resolve to > their site. Unless ns1.dynamicaweb.net still did not take the site down. > If you do ping you will see that it still showing their address. > > Is it true then that it does not matter what the internic reports for the > dns servers anybody can host it. > Or then why do you pay internic at all. If it is not telling the nslookup > for turkishtop500.com in ns.iguru.net or .com > Somthing must be wrong. By the way here is zone file. > > turkishtop500.com. IN SOA astguru2.turkishtop500.com. root.turkishtop500.com ( > 19991012; serial number > 36000 ; refresh 10 hrs > 3600 ; retry 1 hours > 3600000 ; expire 100 hours > 3600 ; minimum 10 hrs > ) > ;define nameservers > ; > turkishtop500.com. NS astguru2.iguru.com. > turkishtop500.com. A 208.206.231.67 > ;define localhost > ; > localhost IN A 127.0.0.1 > astguru2 IN A 208.206.231.67 > turkishtop500.com IN MX 10 astguru2.iguru.com > ; IN MX 10 astguru2 > ;setup the hosts > ; > ; > ;* IN MX 10 ns.jjsoft.com. > www IN CNAME astguru2.turkishtop500.com. > ns IN CNAME astguru2.turkishtop500.com. > mail IN CNAME astguru2.turkishtop500.com. > pop3 IN CNAME astguru2.turkishtop500.com. > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am ========================================================================= ISPF 3 - The Forum for ISPs by ISPs(tm) || Nov 15-17, 1999, New Orleans 3 days of clues, news, and views from the industry's best and brightest. Visit for information and registration. ========================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 19: 4:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from runner.jjsoft.com (jahanur.intur.net [206.97.149.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF8714D08 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:04:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jahanur@jjsoft.com) Received: from localhost (jahanur@localhost) by runner.jjsoft.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA01485; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:04:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:04:35 -0500 (CDT) From: jahanur To: up@3.am Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nslookup problem please help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have changed the serial number to 1999101200 still not working. And did kill HUP on named. Please hint if I am doing somthing wrong. Jahanur On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 up@3.am wrote: > > you're not listening...the problem is your serial number is smaller > (because it has fewer decimal places) than the last known valid record for > this zone that hasn't expired. That's why that zone file is coming up, > rather than yours. As someone else pointed out, 1999080205 is actually a > larger number than 19991012, which has fewer decimal places. > > In a nutshell: Change the serial number to 1999101201 and HUP named. > Problem solved. > > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, jahanur wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > I have nothing to do with ns1.dynamicaweb.net. I dont know who they are. > > They may be the previous host ppl. Thats what I am trying to resolve to > > their site. Unless ns1.dynamicaweb.net still did not take the site down. > > If you do ping you will see that it still showing their address. > > > > Is it true then that it does not matter what the internic reports for the > > dns servers anybody can host it. > > Or then why do you pay internic at all. If it is not telling the nslookup > > for turkishtop500.com in ns.iguru.net or .com > > Somthing must be wrong. By the way here is zone file. > > > > turkishtop500.com. IN SOA astguru2.turkishtop500.com. root.turkishtop500.com ( > > 19991012; serial number > > 36000 ; refresh 10 hrs > > 3600 ; retry 1 hours > > 3600000 ; expire 100 hours > > 3600 ; minimum 10 hrs > > ) > > ;define nameservers > > ; > > turkishtop500.com. NS astguru2.iguru.com. > > turkishtop500.com. A 208.206.231.67 > > ;define localhost > > ; > > localhost IN A 127.0.0.1 > > astguru2 IN A 208.206.231.67 > > turkishtop500.com IN MX 10 astguru2.iguru.com > > ; IN MX 10 astguru2 > > ;setup the hosts > > ; > > ; > > ;* IN MX 10 ns.jjsoft.com. > > www IN CNAME astguru2.turkishtop500.com. > > ns IN CNAME astguru2.turkishtop500.com. > > mail IN CNAME astguru2.turkishtop500.com. > > pop3 IN CNAME astguru2.turkishtop500.com. > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor > up@3.am http://3.am > ========================================================================= > ISPF 3 - The Forum for ISPs by ISPs(tm) || Nov 15-17, 1999, New Orleans > 3 days of clues, news, and views from the industry's best and brightest. > Visit for information and registration. > ========================================================================= > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 19:22:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from enya.clari.net.au (enya.clari.net.au [203.8.14.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7CEE14D5C for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:22:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danny@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (danny@localhost) by enya.clari.net.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA01600; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:22:10 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from danny@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: enya.clari.net.au: danny owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:22:10 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" X-Sender: danny@enya.clari.net.au To: Tony Finch Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Chroot and ~/bin, ~/etc. Better way? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Tony Finch wrote: > > > >3.3 has FTPD_INTERNAL_LS as the default. > > > > > > It does? I can't find FTPD_INTERNAL_LS defined anywhere. > > > > If I remember correctly from the commit messages, the define was removed > > because it was deemed useless to not use internal ls. > > Ah, I see that in the history. It hasn't been MFCed yet. It seems I was wrong about 3.3 having FTPD_INTERNAL_LS by default. It's worth turning on, though. Danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 20:30:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from richard2.pil.net (richard2.pil.net [207.8.164.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C15714C31 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:30:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from up@pil.net) Received: (qmail 26838 invoked by uid 1825); 13 Oct 1999 03:30:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:30:11 -0400 (EDT) From: X-Sender: up@richard2.pil.net To: jahanur Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nslookup problem please help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org turkishtop500.com nameserver = astguru2.iguru.com Wrong name server. that's the secondary. Try this one: NS.IGURU.NET 208.206.231.66 It still has the old serial number, even though you fixed the secondary. In fact, now you want to advance it further, if you want the secondary to pick up zone transfers... On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, jahanur wrote: > > I have changed the serial number to 1999101200 still not working. > And did kill HUP on named. > Please hint if I am doing somthing wrong. > Jahanur > > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 up@3.am wrote: > > > > > you're not listening...the problem is your serial number is smaller > > (because it has fewer decimal places) than the last known valid record for > > this zone that hasn't expired. That's why that zone file is coming up, > > rather than yours. As someone else pointed out, 1999080205 is actually a > > larger number than 19991012, which has fewer decimal places. > > > > In a nutshell: Change the serial number to 1999101201 and HUP named. > > Problem solved. > > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, jahanur wrote: > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > > > I have nothing to do with ns1.dynamicaweb.net. I dont know who they are. > > > They may be the previous host ppl. Thats what I am trying to resolve to > > > their site. Unless ns1.dynamicaweb.net still did not take the site down. > > > If you do ping you will see that it still showing their address. > > > > > > Is it true then that it does not matter what the internic reports for the > > > dns servers anybody can host it. > > > Or then why do you pay internic at all. If it is not telling the nslookup > > > for turkishtop500.com in ns.iguru.net or .com > > > Somthing must be wrong. By the way here is zone file. > > > > > > turkishtop500.com. IN SOA astguru2.turkishtop500.com. root.turkishtop500.com ( > > > 19991012; serial number > > > 36000 ; refresh 10 hrs > > > 3600 ; retry 1 hours > > > 3600000 ; expire 100 hours > > > 3600 ; minimum 10 hrs > > > ) > > > ;define nameservers > > > ; > > > turkishtop500.com. NS astguru2.iguru.com. > > > turkishtop500.com. A 208.206.231.67 > > > ;define localhost > > > ; > > > localhost IN A 127.0.0.1 > > > astguru2 IN A 208.206.231.67 > > > turkishtop500.com IN MX 10 astguru2.iguru.com > > > ; IN MX 10 astguru2 > > > ;setup the hosts > > > ; > > > ; > > > ;* IN MX 10 ns.jjsoft.com. > > > www IN CNAME astguru2.turkishtop500.com. > > > ns IN CNAME astguru2.turkishtop500.com. > > > mail IN CNAME astguru2.turkishtop500.com. > > > pop3 IN CNAME astguru2.turkishtop500.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor > > up@3.am http://3.am > > ========================================================================= > > ISPF 3 - The Forum for ISPs by ISPs(tm) || Nov 15-17, 1999, New Orleans > > 3 days of clues, news, and views from the industry's best and brightest. > > Visit for information and registration. > > ========================================================================= > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am ========================================================================= ISPF 3 - The Forum for ISPs by ISPs(tm) || Nov 15-17, 1999, New Orleans 3 days of clues, news, and views from the industry's best and brightest. Visit for information and registration. ========================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 12 20:40:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tinker.com (troll.tinker.com [204.214.7.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A522414C32 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:40:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from carol@tinker.com) Received: by localhost (8.8.5/8.8.5) Received: by mail.tinker.com via smap (V2.0) id xma000334; Tue Oct 12 22:17:14 1999 Received: by localhost (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA18660; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:40:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3803FE63.9024EC24@tinker.com> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:37:07 -0500 From: Carol Deihl Organization: Shrier and Deihl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jahanur Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nslookup problem please help References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Jahanur, Basically, you pay internic to get the root servers to tell *which* name servers to ask when looking for your domain. Then when someone does an nslookup, (some details left out here for simplicity) the root server says look at ns.iguru.net to find out where your domain is; if ns.iguru.net can't be reached for some reason, look at ns.iguru.com. Note that anyone who runs a name server is free to put anything they want in their own name server - and it is quite common that when a domain moves to a new hosting facility, no one gets around to removing the old dns records from the old name servers. But, that is not the problem here. The problem here is that only *one* of the *two* new name servers has the correct information. The ns.iguru.net has *wrong* data in it, and since it is listed first at the internic, that is the name server that people are hitting. (ns.iguru.com, the second name server, has the correct information.) The solution is to carefully check your zone file *on ns.iguru.net* to make sure it has the correct data, correct the serial number as another poster has mentioned (e.g. use 1999101201), and HUP named. Check your log file to see if it reports any errors in your zone file. Note that even after you've done this, you will still have to wait for things to time out of caches. But, you can check the particular name server to see what it's reporting with either dig: $ dig @ns.iguru.net turkishtop500.com any or with nslookup: $ nslookup > server ns.iguru.net Default Server: ns.iguru.net Address: 208.206.231.66 > set type=any > turkishtop500.com Carol jahanur wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > I have nothing to do with ns1.dynamicaweb.net. I dont know who they are. > They may be the previous host ppl. Thats what I am trying to resolve to > their site. Unless ns1.dynamicaweb.net still did not take the site down. > If you do ping you will see that it still showing their address. > > Is it true then that it does not matter what the internic reports for the > dns servers anybody can host it. > Or then why do you pay internic at all. If it is not telling the nslookup > for turkishtop500.com in ns.iguru.net or .com > Somthing must be wrong. By the way here is zone file. > > turkishtop500.com. IN SOA astguru2.turkishtop500.com. root.turkishtop500.com ( > 19991012; serial number > 36000 ; refresh 10 hrs > 3600 ; retry 1 hours > 3600000 ; expire 100 hours > 3600 ; minimum 10 hrs > ) > ;define nameservers > ; > turkishtop500.com. NS astguru2.iguru.com. > turkishtop500.com. A 208.206.231.67 > ;define localhost > ; > localhost IN A 127.0.0.1 > astguru2 IN A 208.206.231.67 > turkishtop500.com IN MX 10 astguru2.iguru.com > ; IN MX 10 astguru2 > ;setup the hosts > ; > ; > ;* IN MX 10 ns.jjsoft.com. > www IN CNAME astguru2.turkishtop500.com. > ns IN CNAME astguru2.turkishtop500.com. > mail IN CNAME astguru2.turkishtop500.com. > pop3 IN CNAME astguru2.turkishtop500.com. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Carol Deihl - principal, Shrier and Deihl - mailto:carol@tinker.com Remote Unix Network Admin, Security, Internet Software Development Tinker Internet Services - Superior FreeBSD-based Web Hosting http://www.tinker.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 13 0:43:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cronus.medianetwork.se (cronus.medianetwork.se [193.14.204.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA85B14C59 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 00:43:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from support@junglenote.com) Received: from junglenote.com (digital12.medianetwork.se [193.14.204.230]) by cronus.medianetwork.se (8.9.3/8.7) with ESMTP id JAA25967 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:43:22 +0200 Received: from enigmatic [127.0.0.1] by junglenote.com [localhost] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.84.R) for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:48:48 +0200 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:48:47 +0200 Message-ID: <01BF1560.24EDC830.support@junglenote.com> From: Dan Larsson To: "'dennis@etinc.com'" , "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: SV: how-to setup billing per MB? Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:48:46 +0200 Organization: Portabla Datorer AB X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet-e-post/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Return-Path: support@junglenote.com Reply-To: support@junglenote.com Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That's correct Dennis :) Any tips on how to hook up bwmgr to a database = for saving results? (if I'm not mistaken all bwmgr data is wiped upon system restart). = Getting it saved to disk is, I believe the tricky part, the rest can easily be done with a perl script for = checking thresholds and calculation once the data is saved. Right? Another way would be to calculate the area under the graph which mrtg = creates. This however has some correctness issues due to that mrtg calculates an average. Any other ideas or comments welcome! /D > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fr=E5n: Dennis [SMTP:dennis@etinc.com] > Skickat: den 12 oktober 1999 20:31 > Till: support@junglenote.com; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > =C4mne: Re: how-to setup billing per MB? >=20 > At 08:54 PM 10/12/99 +0200, Dan Larsson wrote: > >My employer wants me to implement billing per MB. > > > >* I need to be able to set some kind of MB threshold value for when > billing should occur > >* All clients have static IP addresses so it has to be based on per > ethernet address (if possible) > > or per IP address > > > >How do I do this with a FreeBSD based computer? (assuming it's at all > possible) > > > >Thanks in advance! >=20 > Uh, our BWMGR product for FreeBSD can keep track of customer usage per = IP > or MAC address. You guys own one I believe...there cant be another > junglenote..... >=20 > Dennis >=20 > Emerging Technologies, Inc. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > http://www.etinc.com > ISA and PCI T1/T3/V35/HSSI Cards for FreeBSD and LINUX > Multiport T1 and HSSI/T3 UNIX-based Routers > Bandwidth Management Standalone Systems > Bandwidth Management software for LINUX and FreeBSD > DSL Frame Relay Bridging over T1 and T3 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 13 3:26:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f183.hotmail.com [216.32.181.183]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1994E14A01 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 03:26:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from redhat_list@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 35786 invoked by uid 0); 13 Oct 1999 10:26:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19991013102609.35785.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 203.41.163.240 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 03:26:09 PDT X-Originating-IP: [203.41.163.240] From: "Greg W" To: support@junglenote.com, dennis@etinc.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SV: how-to setup billing per MB? Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:26:09 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am under the impression that one of the largest Australian ISP's uses this method..... >Another way would be to calculate the area under the graph which mrtg >creates. This however >has some correctness issues due to that mrtg calculates an average. > >Any other ideas or comments welcome! > >/D > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 13 4:29:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dominik.saargate.de (dominik.saargate.de [212.88.132.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A923114BEA for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 04:29:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from domi@saargate.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dominik.saargate.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA49545; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:32:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from domi@saargate.de) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:32:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Dominik Brettnacher To: "rjebara@palnet.com" Cc: shelton@sentry.granch.ru, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: One password base for some *NIX boxes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, rjebara@palnet.com wrote: > check the Linux-PAM howto .. available from > www.linux.org or www.linuxhq.com. > these should be applicable. I can't find a Linux-PAM howto, unfortunately. -- Dominik - http://www.saargate.de/~domi/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 13 5:22:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from nak.zilch.net (nak.zilch.net [209.70.45.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658B114BF1; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 05:21:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zoonie@zilch.org) Received: from localhost (zoonie@localhost) by nak.zilch.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20072; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:21:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from zoonie@zilch.org) X-Authentication-Warning: nak.zilch.net: zoonie owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:21:08 -0400 (EDT) From: zoonie X-Sender: zoonie@localhost To: Dan Nelson Cc: Dan Larsson , "[FreeBSD-ISP-List] (E-post)" , "[FreeBSD-Questions-List] (E-post)" Subject: Re: how-to setup billing per MB? In-Reply-To: <19991012141808.A5946@dan.emsphone.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org measuring MB transmitted via ipfw is what i do....i wrote a perl script to grab the numbers and store them in a db file. i also have the script generate a web page for the specific customer that gets transfered to a web server on a daily basis so that the customers can see how much they have transmitted for the month on any given day....it shouldn't be too much of a problem to use a different database to store the info... On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Oct 12), Dan Larsson said: > > My employer wants me to implement billing per MB. > > > > * I need to be able to set some kind of MB threshold value for when > > billing should occur > > * All clients have static IP addresses so it has to be based on per ethernet address (if possible) > > or per IP address > > You can set up ipfw rules to count the packets going to each IP, then > every hour/day store the counts in a database somewhere, and base your > billing off of that. > > -- > Dan Nelson > dnelson@emsphone.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > --------------------------------------------- The devil finds work for idle circuits to do. --------------------------------------------- zoonie at zilch dot org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 13 7: 8:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from Samizdat.uucom.com (samizdat.uucom.com [198.202.217.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF5014DBC; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:08:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cshenton@uucom.com) Received: (from cshenton@localhost) by Samizdat.uucom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13297; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:08:28 -0400 (EDT) To: zoonie Cc: Dan Nelson , Dan Larsson , "[FreeBSD-ISP-List] (E-post)" , "[FreeBSD-Questions-List] (E-post)" Subject: Re: how-to setup billing per MB? References: User-Agent: SEMI/1.13.3 (Komaiko) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) Emacs/20.3 (i386-pc-solaris2.7) MULE/4.0 (HANANOEN) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.13.3 - "Komaiko") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Chris Shenton Date: 13 Oct 1999 10:08:28 -0400 In-Reply-To: zoonie's message of "Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:21:08 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 20.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:21:08 -0400 (EDT), zoonie said: zoonie> ...i wrote a perl script to grab the numbers and store them in zoonie> a db file. i also have the script generate a web page for the zoonie> specific customer that gets transfered to a web server on a zoonie> daily basis so that the customers can see how much they have zoonie> transmitted for the month on any given day. It would be way cool if you could run MRTG against that data and get recent/distant historical trending info :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 13 7:13: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D2814E83; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:12:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from workstation.etinc.com (port17.netsvr1.cst.vastnet.net [207.252.73.17]) by etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA06789; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910131409.KAA06789@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:29:53 -0400 To: support@junglenote.com From: Dennis Subject: Re: SV: how-to setup billing per MB? Cc: isp@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <01BF1560.24EDC830.support@junglenote.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:48 AM 10/13/99 +0200, you wrote: >That's correct Dennis :) Any tips on how to hook up bwmgr to a database for saving results? >(if I'm not mistaken all bwmgr data is wiped upon system restart). Getting it saved to disk is, I believe >the tricky part, the rest can easily be done with a perl script for checking thresholds and calculation once >the data is saved. Right? Well you are very mistaken. Nothing is "wiped out" Are you using the HTML interface? The bwmgr gathers data and provides graphical output for day, week or month. The monthly output includes an "average usage" for the month, which is the total usage divided by the number of seconds in a month. You can take the average and multiply it out. We could also easily incorporate that total usage in the report. all you have to do is create a stats interface for the IP rule and make sure that bwmgrd is running. Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 13 7:59:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from nak.zilch.net (nak.zilch.net [209.70.45.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760E614FEB; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:59:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zoonie@zilch.org) Received: from localhost (zoonie@localhost) by nak.zilch.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20269; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:58:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from zoonie@zilch.org) X-Authentication-Warning: nak.zilch.net: zoonie owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:58:26 -0400 (EDT) From: zoonie X-Sender: zoonie@localhost To: Chris Shenton Cc: Dan Nelson , Dan Larsson , "[FreeBSD-ISP-List] (E-post)" , "[FreeBSD-Questions-List] (E-post)" Subject: Re: how-to setup billing per MB? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org yes, it would but i did this almost 2 years ago and at the time i was just concerned with presenting a total MB transmitted number. so, i never really thought about having trending. but, if you have the trending you could use it as a sales tool to sell other services or higher level services to the customers....good idea chris.... On 13 Oct 1999, Chris Shenton wrote: > It would be way cool if you could run MRTG against that data and get > recent/distant historical trending info :-) > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > --------------------------------------------- The devil finds work for idle circuits to do. --------------------------------------------- zoonie at zilch dot org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 13 8: 9:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from kermit.empireone.net (kermit.empireone.net [207.111.39.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F1DE14BD8; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:09:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrsysadmin@empireone.net) Received: from dragonlord (webmaster.empireone.net [209.118.194.233]) by kermit.empireone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA13244; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <038d01bf15a4$72065260$e9c276d1@empireone.net> From: "James" Cc: "[FreeBSD-ISP-List] (E-post)" , "[FreeBSD-Questions-List] (E-post)" Subject: classes Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:57:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > is there anywhere that someone can take a freebsd admin > class for an isp?? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 13 8: 9:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from kermit.empireone.net (kermit.empireone.net [207.111.39.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA671518D; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:09:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrsysadmin@empireone.net) Received: from dragonlord (webmaster.empireone.net [209.118.194.233]) by kermit.empireone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA13113; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <038701bf15a4$59254da0$e9c276d1@empireone.net> From: "James" To: "zoonie" , "Chris Shenton" Cc: "Dan Nelson" , "Dan Larsson" , "[FreeBSD-ISP-List] (E-post)" , "[FreeBSD-Questions-List] (E-post)" References: Subject: Re: how-to setup billing per MB? Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:56:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org is there anywhere that someone can take a freebsd admin class for an isp?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 13 8:18:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from web.sciencelink.org.za (web.sciencelink.org.za [196.14.22.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51885151C2; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:18:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jacques@capetown.za.org) Received: from jacques (helo=localhost) by web.sciencelink.org.za with local-smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 11bQ7g-0005G6-00; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:15:24 +0200 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:15:24 +0200 (SAST) From: Jacques Marneweck X-Sender: jacques@web.sciencelink.org.za To: James Cc: "[FreeBSD-ISP-List] (E-post)" , "[FreeBSD-Questions-List] (E-post)" Subject: Re: classes In-Reply-To: <038d01bf15a4$72065260$e9c276d1@empireone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > is there anywhere that someone can take a freebsd admin > > class for an isp?? > > There are not classes as far as I know. --jm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 13 8:21:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.netdirect.net (mail.netdirect.net [209.212.192.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D769151AC for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:21:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from angrick@netdirect.net) Received: from angrick (p33-term9-in.netdirect.net [209.212.195.33]) by mail.netdirect.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA03278 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:21:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Andy Angrick" To: "freebsd-isp" Subject: wierd SCSI problems Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:59:25 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have an intermittent SCSI problem that doesn't seem to have a pattern. I'm using 2.2.8.-RELEASE, adaptec 2940UW SCSI controller, and 2 compaq DGHS18Y 18GB SCSI drives (separate drives...no mirrors or RAID. Second drive is mounted as /usr2). They have a 50-68 pin convertor on both of them. my connector has 3 ends..3rd end is connected to an active terminator. The problem is that the system locks up and stops responding spiratically. The longest it has run is a 7 or 8 weeks, the shortest is a couple of hours. There seems to be no real pattern. What's strange is that it seems to work best when its being used...when its been idle for awhile is when it seems to lock up..Here are some of the messages that appear on the screen. Some of these continuously scroll when its locked up: SCB 0x0 - times out in datain phase, SCSISIGI = 0x44 SEQ ADDR = 0x0 SCSISEG = 0x0 SSTAT0=0x0 SSTAT1=0x0 sd0(ahc:0:0) SCB0x0 - abort message in message buffer and sd0(ahc0:0:0) SCB 2: Yucky Immedate reset Flags=0x1 ahc0: issued channel A Bus Reset. 2 SCBs aborted Sending SDTR!! sd0(ahc0:0:0):UNIT ATTENTION asc:29,0 sd0(ahc0:0:0):Power On reset, or bus device reset occured, retries:3 and ahc0:brkadrint; Sequencer Ram Parity Error at seqaddr=0x8 Anyone have a clue as to what might be going on? If it was a cable issue, you'd think that it would either work or it wouldn't..I'm at a loss. This was going to be my main webserver. Andy Angrick hostresource.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 13 8:42:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from deltaplus.ru (deltaplus.ru [213.24.33.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435B714A28 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:41:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lost@deltaplus.ru) Received: by deltaplus.ru id TAA14188; (8.9.2/vak/1.9) Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:42:12 +0400 (MSD) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: Organization: Cronyx Ltd. From: "Danila Prusakov" Date: Wed, 13 Oct 99 19:42:12 +0400 X-Mailer: BML [UNIX Beauty Mail v.1.39] Subject: Only 1 login allowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! All I try to play with login.conf :sessionlimit=1: But this does not work. Where that bug or.... As else possible solve this problem? Danila Prusakov. lost@deltaplus.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 13 9:13:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from email1.smig.net (email1.smig.net [206.9.120.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC00815402 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:13:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cmjones@smig.net) Received: from cmj2 (hi200.smig.net [209.18.232.200]) by email1.smig.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA02758 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:22:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991013112246.01426b30@smig.net> X-Sender: cmjones@smig.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:22:46 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Craig Jones Subject: Re: wierd SCSI problems In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am using a Gateway2000 with the same scsi card no adapters and FreeBSD 3.2 from the CD. I have only 1 drive IBM DDRS-34560 & having the same problem. Thanks Craig Jones At 09:59 AM 10/13/99 -0500, you wrote: >I have an intermittent SCSI problem that doesn't seem to have a pattern. I'm >using 2.2.8.-RELEASE, adaptec 2940UW SCSI controller, and 2 compaq DGHS18Y >18GB SCSI drives (separate drives...no mirrors or RAID. Second drive is >mounted as /usr2). They have a 50-68 pin convertor on both of them. my >connector has 3 ends..3rd end is connected to an active terminator. > >The problem is that the system locks up and stops responding spiratically. >The longest it has run is a 7 or 8 weeks, the shortest is a couple of hours. >There seems to be no real pattern. What's strange is that it seems to work >best when its being used...when its been idle for awhile is when it seems to >lock up..Here are some of the messages that appear on the screen. Some of >these continuously scroll when its locked up: > >SCB 0x0 - times out in datain phase, SCSISIGI = 0x44 >SEQ ADDR = 0x0 SCSISEG = 0x0 SSTAT0=0x0 SSTAT1=0x0 >sd0(ahc:0:0) SCB0x0 - abort message in message buffer > >and > >sd0(ahc0:0:0) SCB 2: Yucky Immedate reset Flags=0x1 >ahc0: issued channel A Bus Reset. 2 SCBs aborted >Sending SDTR!! >sd0(ahc0:0:0):UNIT ATTENTION asc:29,0 >sd0(ahc0:0:0):Power On reset, or bus device reset occured, retries:3 > >and > >ahc0:brkadrint; Sequencer Ram Parity Error at seqaddr=0x8 > >Anyone have a clue as to what might be going on? If it was a cable issue, >you'd think that it would either work or it wouldn't..I'm at a loss. This >was going to be my main webserver. > >Andy Angrick >hostresource.com > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 13 9:22:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C910F14EC9 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:22:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id JAA31137; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:22:08 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199910131622.JAA31137@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: angrick@netdirect.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wierd SCSI problems In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From: "Andy Angrick" >Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:59:25 -0500 >I have an intermittent SCSI problem that doesn't seem to have a pattern. I'm >using 2.2.8.-RELEASE, adaptec 2940UW SCSI controller, and 2 compaq DGHS18Y >18GB SCSI drives (separate drives...no mirrors or RAID. Second drive is >mounted as /usr2). They have a 50-68 pin convertor on both of them. my >connector has 3 ends..3rd end is connected to an active terminator. At this point, even a crude ASCII diagram, showing the termination points, as well as active components on the SCSI chain, would be helpful. >The problem is that the system locks up and stops responding spiratically. >.... >Anyone have a clue as to what might be going on? If it was a cable issue, >you'd think that it would either work or it wouldn't..... No, I wouldn't think that. I would first suspect termination or cable. Each signal line needs to be terminated at each of its 2 ends. (The purpose is to reduce the strength of signals that are reflected off the end -- think of looking in a store window on a sunny day.) Don't forget to to check the termination on the host adaptor. Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 13 9:38:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cliff.i-plus.net (cliff.i-plus.net [209.100.20.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF81155F9 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:38:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from st@i-Plus.net) Received: from localhost (st@localhost) by cliff.i-plus.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA57394; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:37:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Troy Settle To: James Cc: "[FreeBSD-ISP-List] (E-post)" Subject: Re: classes In-Reply-To: <038d01bf15a4$72065260$e9c276d1@empireone.net> Message-ID: