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To: Dan Langille <dan@freebsddiary.org>
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Hi,

we use following command to setup frontpage webs fully automatically
from a perl script that also sets up the webserver.

We use apache with the apache-fp patch applied

system("$fpsrvadm -o install -t apache-fp -servconf $confdir/httpd.conf-dummy -multihost $server_name -username admin -password $passwd -xUser $user -xGroup www");

Greetings
Christian

On Sat, 25 Dec 1999, Dan Langille wrote:

> On 24 Dec 99, at 23:55, J.C. Frazier wrote:
> 
> > This happens when mod_frontpage (the apache patch) isn't used.  What it looks
> > like to me is that during installation you chose option 2 (apache) instead of
> > option 3 (apache-fp).  
> 
> Checking my notes, I used option 3 (apache-fp)
> 
> http://www.freebsddiary.org/freebsd/apachefpssl-options.htm)
> 
> > Try using fpsrvadm without the -t option if you know you have installed it
> > correctly.  It will revert to the way you installed it without modifications
> > in that case.  My guess is that fpsrvadm is confused with the -t option.
> 
> OK.  Not using -t seems to fix the SRMOptions problem.  However, I 
> still get prompted for the server type.  But at least there is a workaround
> 
> # ./fpsrvadm.exe -o install -s /usr/local/etc/apache/httpd.conf  \
> >                         -p 80 -m racing.unixathome.org -u racing -p racing  \
> >                         -xu susan -wg www
> 
> Please enter server type:
> 0) apache
> 1) apache-fp
> 2) ncsa
> 3) netscape-enterprise
> 4) netscape-fasttrack
> 5) stronghold
> Your choice [0]: 1   
> 
> Starting install, port: racing, web: "root web"
> 
> Password for user "racing": 
> Confirm password: 
> Creating web http://racing.unixathome.org
> Chowning Content in service root web
> Install completed.
> 
> > I run the same version and have no problem with that.  Also, try
> > running fpsrvadm without any options once.  It will give you a list of
> > options and walk you through the process.  Hope this helps.
> 
> I have used both methods.  It appears that the command line method 
> doesn't like -t.  <shrug>
> 
> thanks.
> --
> Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited [I'm looking for more work]
> The FreeBSD Diary     - http://www.freebsddiary.org/freebsd/
> NZ FreeBSD User Group - http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/
> The Racing System     - http://www.racingsystem.com/racingsystem.htm
> unix @ home           - http://www.unixathome.org/
> 
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From owner-freebsd-isp  Sun Dec 26  6:24:40 1999
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Can anyone tell me if the Cistron Radius configuration file can support
some users with dial-in priviledges and others without based on what
GROUP they are in?

Or is there another easy way of obtaining this?  The radius server and
mail server are the same machine in this case and we don't want people
who have *extra* email accounts to be able to dialin under those extra
accounts..:)

Thanks,

Paul




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From owner-freebsd-isp  Sun Dec 26 11:47:30 1999
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As clearly described in the cistron documentation (or FAQ or list archive),
you can do exactly what you mention.  Here's my DEFAULT profiles (cistron
supports multiple DEFAULT profiles too :)

(Note the escaped newline in the check list)

DEFAULT Auth-Type = Reject, Group = "mailonly"
        Reply-Message = "Dialup Access Denied"

DEFAULT Auth-Type = System, Group = "dialup", \
Simultaneous-Use = 1, Framed-Protocol=PPP
        Ascend-Maximum-Channels=1 ,
        Ascend-Assign-IP-Pool=1

DEFAULT Auth-Type = System, Group = "mlppp", \
Simultaneous-Use = 1, Framed-Protocol=PPP
        Ascend-Maximum-Channels=2 ,
        Ascend-Assign-IP-Pool=1


HTH,

-Troy



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** Can anyone tell me if the Cistron Radius configuration file can support
** some users with dial-in priviledges and others without based on what
** GROUP they are in?
**
** Or is there another easy way of obtaining this?  The radius server and
** mail server are the same machine in this case and we don't want people
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** accounts..:)
**
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**
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From owner-freebsd-isp  Mon Dec 27  5:36:41 1999
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Hi all!

    I'am receiving many questions about pppd patch for RADIUS
support. So, I decide to make it available via ftp. Briefly,
it is patch to pppd-2.3.10 for using this version with FreeBSD
system (based on currently bundled version) plus optional ability
to use RADIUS authentication and accounting (based on standard
FreeBSD RADIUS library by John Polstra).

readme.txt . . . . . . . . . . . Dec 24 10:43      1k
README.RADIUS. . . . . . . . . . Dec 24 10:29     10k 
libradius.tar.gz . . . . . . . . Dec 24 10:19     14k
ppp-2.3.10-radius.diff.gz. . . . Dec 24 10:19     20k 
ppp-2.3.10.tar.gz. . . . . . . . Sep 17 06:16    766k

Main ftp site is ftp://ftp.energodar.dp.ua/pub/FreeBSD/RADIUS/
Mirror for patches is at ftp://ftp.slashnet.org/users/shonson/

README.RADIUS is attached to the message.

Try it out!

OS (os@altavista.net), ICQ:31256452


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From owner-freebsd-isp  Mon Dec 27 10:35:20 1999
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I anyone out there using FreeBSD for credit card processing?  I am
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Here is the URL of the website for the curious:
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From owner-freebsd-isp  Mon Dec 27 11:17:14 1999
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> Have the patches fixed the config file for ppp-2.3.10 ? It is still only
> looking for 3.0 or 3.1 version of freebsd.

Or 3.2 or 3.3 after the patch.
At the time I wrote that latest FreeBSD 3.x was 3.3.

> 2.3.10 will not compile on 3.4 stable .

I just compiled pppd on 3.4 system after the change:

$ diff configure.33 configure 
56c56
<       3.[0-3]*)       state="known"; ksrc="freebsd-3.0";;
---
>       3.[0-4]*)       state="known"; ksrc="freebsd-3.0";;

Can't test but I think it may be compiled also on 4.x if you
add another line here for 4.* (ksrc still must point to freebsd-3.0).

OS

PS. Confirm or reject it. If you have another problem - write me, please.




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From owner-freebsd-isp  Mon Dec 27 13:57:50 1999
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definitely there is a way:

Cistron Radius has an optioin for the users file, Exec-Program-Wait, which
will execute the program selected and wait for a return...if the return is
true, the user authenticaton proceeds, if not, it is not authorised. 

i wrote a program to check users for dialup, 64k and 128k isdn, according
to the unix group they are members:

  Exec-Program-Wait = "/usr/local/bin/chkgrp %u 118",


hope this helps.

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On Sun, 26 Dec 1999 paul@premier-networks.com wrote:

> Can anyone tell me if the Cistron Radius configuration file can support
> some users with dial-in priviledges and others without based on what
> GROUP they are in?
> 
> Or is there another easy way of obtaining this?  The radius server and
> mail server are the same machine in this case and we don't want people
> who have *extra* email accounts to be able to dialin under those extra
> accounts..:)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
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> Before your patch 2.3.10 wouldn't compile on 3.4 by removing the #endif
> it compiled and manual change on configure then it worked just
> didn't log users on the server..

Didn't make a records in utmp/wtmp. This and some number
of other issues are fixed by patch. E.g. added check for account expiration,
check for /etc/ppp/ppp.deny and ppp.shells, and other FreeBSD-specific
stuff which is not required but useful. It all was merged from FreeBSD's
pppd-2.3.5 into 2.3.10-radius. Particularly, some IPX stuff. I was not able
to
test all the magic, so simply move it from one version to another.
Main goal was RADIUS for tcp/ip, PAP, dial-in, no callback.

> I guess we could just add this to 2.3.11 and be upto date with
> pppd finally...

I have no time for this now. May be in 2.3.12? :-)
AFAIK, there is no significant changes in 2.3.11 from 2.3.10.
And I didn't received any feedback about the patches.
All I've got was first impressions and not more. So there is
no driving motive for me to do it now: 2.3.10 works fine.

OS




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I have done credit card checking in perl...  It may not be what you want
to do.  It was just a check on the digits to make sure it was a valid
card.  There is an algorithm to munch the digits and see it is a valid
visa, amex, etc.  If this is useful then go to www.perl.com and do a
cpan search on credit cards or look in the business section.  The
complete code is in there someplace.  If you really want to validate a
credit card -- make sure it is able to take charges for the shipping
address -- then you will need a service.

Nostrebor Cire wrote:
> 
> I anyone out there using FreeBSD for credit card processing?  I am
> looking for front end processing software.  I do not want to use a
> service like CyberCash.  I want to be able to verify cards instantly on
> an E-Commerce website.
> 
> Here is the URL of the website for the curious:
> http://www.planethobby.com
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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On Mon, 27 Dec 1999, Nostrebor Cire wrote:

> I anyone out there using FreeBSD for credit card processing?  I am
> looking for front end processing software.  I do not want to use a
> service like CyberCash.  I want to be able to verify cards instantly on
> an E-Commerce website.
> 
> Here is the URL of the website for the curious:
> http://www.planethobby.com
> 
> Thanks.

  Well, I don't have an URL a company called Hell's Kitchen something or
another, makes a full credit-card package called CCVS (sp?).  It is quite
cool.  Many APIs.  Support for many different credit-card clearing houses.
Probably it supports the one you are using now.  You do have a merchant
number, don't you?  If you don't, have fun getting one!

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Are there any FTP daemons, besides NcFTPd that have the ability to authenticate
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try www.freecode.com


At 21:20 27/12/99 -0800, Tom wrote:
>
>On Mon, 27 Dec 1999, Nostrebor Cire wrote:
>
>> I anyone out there using FreeBSD for credit card processing?  I am
>> looking for front end processing software.  I do not want to use a
>> service like CyberCash.  I want to be able to verify cards instantly on
>> an E-Commerce website.
>> 
>> Here is the URL of the website for the curious:
>> http://www.planethobby.com
>> 
>> Thanks.
>
>  Well, I don't have an URL a company called Hell's Kitchen something or
>another, makes a full credit-card package called CCVS (sp?).  It is quite
>cool.  Many APIs.  Support for many different credit-card clearing houses.
>Probably it supports the one you are using now.  You do have a merchant
>number, don't you?  If you don't, have fun getting one!
>
>Tom
>
>
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try www.freecode.com

At 21:20 27/12/99 -0800, Tom wrote:
>
>On Mon, 27 Dec 1999, Nostrebor Cire wrote:
>
>> I anyone out there using FreeBSD for credit card processing?  I am
>> looking for front end processing software.  I do not want to use a
>> service like CyberCash.  I want to be able to verify cards instantly on
>> an E-Commerce website.
>> 
>> Here is the URL of the website for the curious:
>> http://www.planethobby.com
>> 
>> Thanks.
>
>  Well, I don't have an URL a company called Hell's Kitchen something or
>another, makes a full credit-card package called CCVS (sp?).  It is quite
>cool.  Many APIs.  Support for many different credit-card clearing houses.
>Probably it supports the one you are using now.  You do have a merchant
>number, don't you?  If you don't, have fun getting one!
>
>Tom
>
>
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Have you tried www.freecode.com??

At 21:20 27/12/99 -0800, Tom wrote:
>
>On Mon, 27 Dec 1999, Nostrebor Cire wrote:
>
>> I anyone out there using FreeBSD for credit card processing?  I am
>> looking for front end processing software.  I do not want to use a
>> service like CyberCash.  I want to be able to verify cards instantly on
>> an E-Commerce website.
>> 
>> Here is the URL of the website for the curious:
>> http://www.planethobby.com
>> 
>> Thanks.
>
>  Well, I don't have an URL a company called Hell's Kitchen something or
>another, makes a full credit-card package called CCVS (sp?).  It is quite
>cool.  Many APIs.  Support for many different credit-card clearing houses.
>Probably it supports the one you are using now.  You do have a merchant
>number, don't you?  If you don't, have fun getting one!
>
>Tom
>
>
>
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I'm running 3.2R w/ Apache 1.3.9 on a box hooked up to a cable modem with a
static IP bound to pn0. I'm also running IPFW and NATD bound to de0 for my
interior network. I can see my webserver, http://www.divingdeals.com from
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/sbin/ipfw -f flush
/sbin/ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via pn0
/sbin/ipfw add pass all from any to any

I'm not to concerned about anyone hacking my inside stuff, mainly because
there's nothing irreplaceable there. 

I can nslookup www.divingdeals.com from an outrside server and it resolves
correctly. As far as I can tell, the DNS is setup correctly on my box. I
also don't have any directives in httpd.conf shutting down access of any
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On Tue, Dec 28, 1999 at 02:51:04PM -0600, Jack Wenger wrote:
> I'm running 3.2R w/ Apache 1.3.9 on a box hooked up to a cable modem with a
> static IP bound to pn0. I'm also running IPFW and NATD bound to de0 for my
> interior network. I can see my webserver, http://www.divingdeals.com from
> the inside, but not from the outside. the IPFW ruleset contains tha following:
> 
> /sbin/ipfw -f flush
> /sbin/ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via pn0
> /sbin/ipfw add pass all from any to any
> 
> I'm not to concerned about anyone hacking my inside stuff, mainly because
> there's nothing irreplaceable there. 
> 
> I can nslookup www.divingdeals.com from an outrside server and it resolves
> correctly. As far as I can tell, the DNS is setup correctly on my box. I
> also don't have any directives in httpd.conf shutting down access of any
> kind. I ~need~ the webserver visible from the outside. Anyone got any clues?

I would ask your cable modem provider, I would NOT be surprised if they
block port 80 incoming. 

> Jack Wenger
> Internet Administrator
> Dean Health Plan
> Madison, WI
> 608-250-1237
> 
> 
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> I would ask your cable modem provider, I would NOT be surprised if they
> block port 80 incoming.
>


Time-Warner blocks most ports for cable modem subscribers here in the Tampa
Bay area. Cost to open, a mere $400. Actually, I've heard it's way more.


Chris



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> > I'm running 3.2R w/ Apache 1.3.9 on a box hooked up to a cable modem with a
> > static IP bound to pn0. I'm also running IPFW and NATD bound to de0 for my
> > interior network. I can see my webserver, http://www.divingdeals.com from
> > the inside, but not from the outside. the IPFW ruleset contains tha following:
> > /sbin/ipfw -f flush
> > /sbin/ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via pn0
> > /sbin/ipfw add pass all from any to any
> > I'm not to concerned about anyone hacking my inside stuff, mainly because
> > there's nothing irreplaceable there. 
> > I can nslookup www.divingdeals.com from an outrside server and it resolves
> > correctly. As far as I can tell, the DNS is setup correctly on my box. I
> > also don't have any directives in httpd.conf shutting down access of any
> > kind. I ~need~ the webserver visible from the outside. Anyone got any clues?

I can telnet to port 80 of your IP # as wellas browse the site.

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On 28-Dec-99 Jack Wenger wrote:
> I'm running 3.2R w/ Apache 1.3.9 on a box hooked up to a cable modem with a
> static IP bound to pn0. I'm also running IPFW and NATD bound to de0 for my
> interior network. I can see my webserver, http://www.divingdeals.com from
> the inside, but not from the outside. the IPFW ruleset contains tha
> following:

Do you have the appropriate natd redirect_address directives? See the natd(8)
manpage.

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Jack Wenger wrote:
> 
> I'm running 3.2R w/ Apache 1.3.9 on a box hooked up to a cable modem with a
> static IP bound to pn0. I'm also running IPFW and NATD bound to de0 for my
> interior network. I can see my webserver, http://www.divingdeals.com from
> the inside, but not from the outside.

I can see http://www.divingdeals.com okay from here
(Dumaguete City, Philipines)!  However, I must add that you
might want to include links to great dive sites like:
http://fil.net/eldorado

aLan Tait
Systems Administrator
Filipino Network Solution - Fil.Net

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I've downloaded the apache version 1.3.9, along with the signature file,
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signature, I get "WARNING: The signing key is not trusted to belong to:..",
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Hi Thordur,
This is an intesting subject, as you might know antenna coax cables
have a impedence of 75ohms, and computer coax cables are 50ohms (as 
well as the terminators on both ends).  I know of people that have tried
it, and it didn't work.  But maybe you could attach some sort of
(de)amplifier at the ends, before it is connected to the NIC?

In any case, my opinion is that this would not be a desirable solution
when it comes to reliability.

Thordur, you might want to check out some of the wireless NICs that are
sold here, I'm not quite sure of the range, the bandwidth is 2Mbit/s, but
they are available at Computer2000.

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On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Thordur Ivarsson wrote:

> Hi fellows,
> 
> I have some customers here that would like to connect their computers 
> within block of flats, Is it possible to use some devices on antenna
> cabling?
> 
> Any ideas welcome.
> 
> Thordur Ivarsson
> 
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Hi,

We used to run our webservers on NetBSD but recently changed over to
FreeBSD 3.3r. We've seen a lot of perl scripts break becase they start
with the first line : #!/bin/perl -- -*-perl-*-

NetBSD seemed to pass this as a single argument to the interpreter and
perl ignored it. FreeBSD now seems to pass this line as two arguments to
the interpreter, braking the script because it tries to open script
-*-perl-*-.

Besides the fact that I see no use of inserting "-- -*-perl-*-" in the
scripts, does anyone recognises this problem ? How did you deal with this?
We've got a lot of customers who use standard scripts and this line
appears in a lot of examples/books/pre-written script, thus causing lots
of people calling tech support.

This problem applies afaik for different versions of perl.

ao
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On 29-Dec-99 Arjan van der Oest wrote:
> We used to run our webservers on NetBSD but recently changed over to
> FreeBSD 3.3r. We've seen a lot of perl scripts break becase they start
> with the first line : #!/bin/perl -- -*-perl-*-

This looks familiar. I'm pretty sure that "-*-perl-*-" is just an Emacs way of
getting syntax highlighting (in addition to some Emacs feaures) for the script
as a Perl script.

> NetBSD seemed to pass this as a single argument to the interpreter and
> perl ignored it. FreeBSD now seems to pass this line as two arguments to
> the interpreter, braking the script because it tries to open script
> -*-perl-*-.

You can probably comment this "-*-perl-*-" out on a line below #!/usr/bin/perl
(not #!/bin/perl since Perl is installed in /usr by default on FreeBSD).

Like this:

#!/usr/bin/perl -w
# -*-perl-*-
#
[...code...]

Or, at your leisure, you can delete the string entirely. Note that I've
replaced "--" with "-w". See perl(1) manpage. "--" is, if I am not mistaken,
intended to be used with a file..

> Besides the fact that I see no use of inserting "-- -*-perl-*-" in the
> scripts, does anyone recognises this problem ? How did you deal with this?
> We've got a lot of customers who use standard scripts and this line
> appears in a lot of examples/books/pre-written script, thus causing lots
> of people calling tech support.

I'm afraid that the original programmer likes Emacs. ;)

I stop here at the risk of triggering a holy war. *grin*

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On Wed, 29 Dec 1999, Will Andrews wrote:

> You can probably comment this "-*-perl-*-" out on a line below
> #!/usr/bin/perl (not #!/bin/perl since Perl is installed in /usr by
> default on FreeBSD).

We can just delete the entire sting, but that is no solution. We have
customers who upload scripts to this webserver.

Something is different and atm we're hacking into the kernel and now it's
passing the entire shell argument as one argument into perl (which is
believed to be the correct historical behaviour).

> I'm afraid that the original programmer likes Emacs. ;)

I'm afraid a lot of ready-to-fly scripts out there contain this line and
somehow break with the original 3.3 kernel.

> I stop here at the risk of triggering a holy war. *grin*

:-)

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On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Cassandra Perkins wrote:

> I've downloaded the apache version 1.3.9, along with the signature file,
> apache_1.3.9.tar.gz.asc and the KEYS.  When I run the pgp to verify the
> signature, I get "WARNING: The signing key is not trusted to belong to:..",

No biggie, the keys aren't signed by a key that you consider "trusted"
(the signator's key probably isn't even in your keyring). If the message
bugs you, you can sign the keys yourself if you are satisfied that they
are authentic.

-

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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 08:50:29 -0500 (EST)
> From: Will Andrews <andrews@TECHNOLOGIST.COM>
> To: Arjan van der Oest <arjan@nl.demon.net>
> Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: RE: FreeBSD and Perl
> 
> On 29-Dec-99 Arjan van der Oest wrote:
> > We used to run our webservers on NetBSD but recently changed over to
> > FreeBSD 3.3r. We've seen a lot of perl scripts break becase they start
> > with the first line : #!/bin/perl -- -*-perl-*-
> 
> This looks familiar. I'm pretty sure that "-*-perl-*-" is just an Emacs way of
> getting syntax highlighting (in addition to some Emacs feaures) for the script
> as a Perl script.

However, it is documented (man perlrun) as being valid in perl that:
       Parsing of the #! switches starts wherever "perl" is
       mentioned in the line.  The sequences "-*" and "- " are
       specifically ignored so that you could, ...

 
> > NetBSD seemed to pass this as a single argument to the interpreter and
> > perl ignored it. FreeBSD now seems to pass this line as two arguments to
> > the interpreter, braking the script because it tries to open script
> > -*-perl-*-.
> 
> You can probably comment this "-*-perl-*-" out on a line below #!/usr/bin/perl
> (not #!/bin/perl since Perl is installed in /usr by default on FreeBSD).
> 
> Like this:
> 
> #!/usr/bin/perl -w
> # -*-perl-*-
> #
> [...code...]


Which doesn't help on a commercial site where thousands of customers
will be getting their own copy of, for example,. formmail.pl which begins:

#!/bin/perl -- -*-perl-*-

# ------------------------------------------------------------
# Form-mail.pl, by Reuven M. Lerner (reuven@the-tech.mit.edu).
#
# Last updated: March 14, 1994

They will upload it and expect it to work. We aren't really in a
position to keep going and fixing customer's mistakes on a daily
basis.

> 
> > Besides the fact that I see no use of inserting "-- -*-perl-*-" in the
> > scripts, does anyone recognises this problem ? How did you deal with this?
> > We've got a lot of customers who use standard scripts and this line
> > appears in a lot of examples/books/pre-written script, thus causing lots
> > of people calling tech support.
> 
> I'm afraid that the original programmer likes Emacs. ;)
> 
> I stop here at the risk of triggering a holy war. *grin*

It's intersting to note that OpenBSD (and, no, I have no intention of
openeing an OS religious war) has the following comment in their
kernel script handling module:

                /*
                 * collect the shell argument.  everything after the 
                 * shell name is passed as ONE argument; that's the 
                 * correct (historical) behaviour.
                 */

Now I don't know that this is a good idea, but Laary Wall decided Perl
would expect one argument, including whitespace for #!perl
scripts. FreeBSD decided to parse the initial line of script files
into arguments. The two are incompatible.

I do think if FreeBSD is going to parse the line into separate
arguments, it would be a good idea to actually do the parsing
properly, not simply break strings on whitespace. That's harder to do
and may well not be worth the effort. On the other hand, the following
patch in imgact_shell.c make Perl happy:

--- imgact_shell.c  Wed Dec 29 13:12:47 1999
+++ /sys/kern/imgact_shell.c    Fri Oct 16 05:55:00 1998
@@ -116,30 +107,12 @@
        while ((*ihp == ' ') || (*ihp == '\t')) ihp++;
 
        if (ihp < line_endp) {
-
-/**********************
- jes - web patches
- **********************/
            /*
             * Copy to end of token. No need to watch stringspace
             *  because this is at the front of the string buffer
             *  and the maximum shell command length is tiny.
             */
-/**********************************
- above comment is no longer true
- **********************************/
-
-               /*
-                * collect the shell argument.  everything after the 
-                * shell name is passed as ONE argument; that's the 
-                * correct (historical) behaviour.
-                */
-
-#if 0
            while ((ihp < line_endp) && (*ihp != ' ') && (*ihp != '\t')) {
-#else
-           while (ihp < line_endp) {
-#endif

(the comment is frm OpenBSD)

-- 
Jim Segrave           jes@nl.demon.net


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Good Morning Everyone!

Can anyone point me in the right direction. I need to locate a script that
I can use for our site that will allow users to change their passwords
from our website instead of having to use a shell/telnet.

Thanks in Advance,

Brent

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Hey, I'd like a copy of that myself.  Although I just put
the telnet command in a web page link and when they click on
it, it sends to to login in.  Then I have a script to only
allow them to run passwd for their account and exit.  It
works okay.  In fact, people understand it better than the
web based WinNT program we'd been using.

aLan



Brent Rector wrote:
> 
> Good Morning Everyone!
> 
> Can anyone point me in the right direction. I need to locate a script that
> I can use for our site that will allow users to change their passwords
> from our website instead of having to use a shell/telnet.
> 
> Thanks in Advance,
> 
> Brent
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Brent L. Rector                 SoHo Internet Services & TCCSweb
> SysAdmin                        (604) 979-2141
> brentr@tccsweb.com              http://www.tccsweb.com
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Your mouse has moved.  Windows must be restarted for the change
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PHP Script to do just this:

	http://home.i-plus.net/st/passwd.php3.gz

Have fun

-Troy

PS: It does depend on poppassd from the ports collection.

** -----Original Message-----
** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of aLan Tait
** Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 12:36 PM
** To: Brent Rector
** Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
** Subject: Re: Changing Passwords for Users using http: port 80
** 
** 
** Hey, I'd like a copy of that myself.  Although I just put
** the telnet command in a web page link and when they click on
** it, it sends to to login in.  Then I have a script to only
** allow them to run passwd for their account and exit.  It
** works okay.  In fact, people understand it better than the
** web based WinNT program we'd been using.
** 
** aLan
** 
** 
** 
** Brent Rector wrote:
** > 
** > Good Morning Everyone!
** > 
** > Can anyone point me in the right direction. I need to locate a 
** script that
** > I can use for our site that will allow users to change their passwords
** > from our website instead of having to use a shell/telnet.
** > 
** > Thanks in Advance,
** > 
** > Brent
** > 
** > 
** -----------------------------------------------------------------
** ---------
** > Brent L. Rector                 SoHo Internet Services & TCCSweb
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** > 
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Is anybody going to mention why this can be a bad idea, or should at least
be done using https?

On Wed, 29 Dec 1999, Troy Settle wrote:

> 
> PHP Script to do just this:
> 
> 	http://home.i-plus.net/st/passwd.php3.gz
> 
> Have fun
> 
> -Troy
> 
> PS: It does depend on poppassd from the ports collection.
> 
> ** -----Original Message-----
> ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
> ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of aLan Tait
> ** Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 12:36 PM
> ** To: Brent Rector
> ** Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
> ** Subject: Re: Changing Passwords for Users using http: port 80
> ** 
> ** 
> ** Hey, I'd like a copy of that myself.  Although I just put
> ** the telnet command in a web page link and when they click on
> ** it, it sends to to login in.  Then I have a script to only
> ** allow them to run passwd for their account and exit.  It
> ** works okay.  In fact, people understand it better than the
> ** web based WinNT program we'd been using.
> ** 
> ** aLan
> ** 
> ** 
> ** 
> ** Brent Rector wrote:
> ** > 
> ** > Good Morning Everyone!
> ** > 
> ** > Can anyone point me in the right direction. I need to locate a 
> ** script that
> ** > I can use for our site that will allow users to change their passwords
> ** > from our website instead of having to use a shell/telnet.
> ** > 
> ** > Thanks in Advance,
> ** > 
> ** > Brent
> ** > 
> ** > 
> ** -----------------------------------------------------------------
> ** ---------
> ** > Brent L. Rector                 SoHo Internet Services & TCCSweb
> ** > SysAdmin                        (604) 979-2141
> ** > brentr@tccsweb.com              http://www.tccsweb.com
> ** > 
> ** -----------------------------------------------------------------
> ** ---------
> ** > Your mouse has moved.  Windows must be restarted for the change
> ** >    to take effect.   Reboot now?  [ OK ]
> ** > 
> ** -----------------------------------------------------------------
> ** ---------
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From owner-freebsd-isp  Wed Dec 29 11:21: 8 1999
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Would be best to do it with https, but if you look at the internet as a
whole, it really doesn't seem to make a difference any more.  On most
systems (mine at least), a comprimised user password isn't a big deal,
except for that one user.  Hopefully, people will be smart enough not to
change their root password using a web page :)

Passwords are transmitted in the clear between users and their ISP all the
time:

 - Users who check their mail from other,
   including whole sale pops
 - users who telnet into shell servers
 - ftp

Could probably name a few others, but hey...

-Troy


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** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of up@3.am
** Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 1:51 PM
** To: Troy Settle
** Cc: aLan Tait; Brent Rector; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
** Subject: RE: Changing Passwords for Users using http: port 80
**
**
**
** Is anybody going to mention why this can be a bad idea, or
** should at least
** be done using https?
**
** On Wed, 29 Dec 1999, Troy Settle wrote:
**
** >
** > PHP Script to do just this:
** >
** > 	http://home.i-plus.net/st/passwd.php3.gz
** >
** > Have fun
** >
** > -Troy
** >
** > PS: It does depend on poppassd from the ports collection.
** >
** > ** -----Original Message-----
** > ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
** > ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of aLan Tait
** > ** Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 12:36 PM
** > ** To: Brent Rector
** > ** Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
** > ** Subject: Re: Changing Passwords for Users using http: port 80
** > **
** > **
** > ** Hey, I'd like a copy of that myself.  Although I just put
** > ** the telnet command in a web page link and when they click on
** > ** it, it sends to to login in.  Then I have a script to only
** > ** allow them to run passwd for their account and exit.  It
** > ** works okay.  In fact, people understand it better than the
** > ** web based WinNT program we'd been using.
** > **
** > ** aLan
** > **
** > **
** > **
** > ** Brent Rector wrote:
** > ** >
** > ** > Good Morning Everyone!
** > ** >
** > ** > Can anyone point me in the right direction. I need to locate a
** > ** script that
** > ** > I can use for our site that will allow users to change
** their passwords
** > ** > from our website instead of having to use a shell/telnet.
** > ** >
** > ** > Thanks in Advance,
** > ** >
** > ** > Brent
** > ** >
** > ** >
** > ** -----------------------------------------------------------------
** > ** ---------
** > ** > Brent L. Rector                 SoHo Internet Services & TCCSweb
** > ** > SysAdmin                        (604) 979-2141
** > ** > brentr@tccsweb.com              http://www.tccsweb.com
** > ** >
** > ** -----------------------------------------------------------------
** > ** ---------
** > ** > Your mouse has moved.  Windows must be restarted for the change
** > ** >    to take effect.   Reboot now?  [ OK ]
** > ** >
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Aloha all,

I am trying to get rsync working to move files to a remote rsync --daemon
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updated. Sorry for the strange question on -isp.

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On 29-Dec-99 Arjan van der Oest wrote:
> We can just delete the entire sting, but that is no solution. We have
> customers who upload scripts to this webserver.

It is their own fault then if they do not understand the ramifications of such
actions. They should be responsible for their own scripts..

> Something is different and atm we're hacking into the kernel and now it's
> passing the entire shell argument as one argument into perl (which is
> believed to be the correct historical behaviour).

It's almost certainly not the kernel - most likely it's the shell or our Perl.

> I'm afraid a lot of ready-to-fly scripts out there contain this line and
> somehow break with the original 3.3 kernel.

See above.

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Let's try this again...  I unzipped the file, and renamed it since I also
stumbled accross a perl version.  Both files come up fine in my browsers
(both IE and NS), and fetches fine from a shell on another machine:

$ fetch http://home.i-plus.net/st/passwd.pl.txt
Receiving passwd.pl.txt (4606 bytes): 100%
4606 bytes transfered in 0.0 seconds  (8925.32 Kbytes/s)

$ fetch http://home.i-plus.net/st/passwd.php.txt
Receiving passwd.php.txt (5028 bytes): 100%
5028 bytes transfered in 0.0 seconds  (9762.74 Kbytes/s)

--Troy



** -----Original Message-----
** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Troy Settle
** Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 1:47 PM
** To: aLan Tait; Brent Rector
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** Subject: RE: Changing Passwords for Users using http: port 80
**
**
**
** PHP Script to do just this:
**
** 	http://home.i-plus.net/st/passwd.php3.gz
**
** Have fun
**
** -Troy
**
** PS: It does depend on poppassd from the ports collection.
**
** ** -----Original Message-----
** ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
** ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of aLan Tait
** ** Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 12:36 PM
** ** To: Brent Rector
** ** Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG
** ** Subject: Re: Changing Passwords for Users using http: port 80
** **
** **
** ** Hey, I'd like a copy of that myself.  Although I just put
** ** the telnet command in a web page link and when they click on
** ** it, it sends to to login in.  Then I have a script to only
** ** allow them to run passwd for their account and exit.  It
** ** works okay.  In fact, people understand it better than the
** ** web based WinNT program we'd been using.
** **
** ** aLan
** **
** **
** **
** ** Brent Rector wrote:
** ** >
** ** > Good Morning Everyone!
** ** >
** ** > Can anyone point me in the right direction. I need to locate a
** ** script that
** ** > I can use for our site that will allow users to change
** their passwords
** ** > from our website instead of having to use a shell/telnet.
** ** >
** ** > Thanks in Advance,
** ** >
** ** > Brent
** ** >
** ** >
** ** -----------------------------------------------------------------
** ** ---------
** ** > Brent L. Rector                 SoHo Internet Services & TCCSweb
** ** > SysAdmin                        (604) 979-2141
** ** > brentr@tccsweb.com              http://www.tccsweb.com
** ** >
** ** -----------------------------------------------------------------
** ** ---------
** ** > Your mouse has moved.  Windows must be restarted for the change
** ** >    to take effect.   Reboot now?  [ OK ]
** ** >
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here is a correct working passwd changing php script.....

just had to modify the %'s to be ?'s
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<?
/*
 * Poppass Gateway
 * 
 * Shamelessly stolen from the imp/contrib directory
 * 
 * re-written to work standalone, or included from any other applications
 *
 * This would probably be better written as a class, but this serves my
 * purposes.  I tested this with all manner of input, trying to break it,
 * and didn't manage to do it.  If you make modifications or improvements
 * to this, please email them to me at <st@i-plus.net>, I would appreciate it.
 */



/*
 * Set your server and port
 */

$poppass_server	= "127.0.0.1";
$poppass_port	= 106;

/*
 * Do some basic error checking.
 * 
 * Required fields:
 * 
 * 	login
 * 	old password
 *      newpassword twice (make sure user has at least some idea of what he's doing)
 */

if (($user[name]) && ($user[pass]) && (($user[new1]) == ($user[new2])) && ($user[new1])) {


/*
 * I changed this routine quite a bit because it was originally calling
 * some error functions from the IMP libraries.  Presumably, these functions
 * spit out an error message, and exited the script.
 * 
 * I'm doing it with $__ppc
 *
 */


	$__ppc = "yes";
	$passd = fsockopen($poppass_server, $poppass_port, &$errno, &$errstr);
	set_socket_blocking($passd,true);
	if ($passd){
		$input = fgets($passd, 128);
		if(!eregi( "^200", $input)) {
			fclose($passd);
			echo "<H2>Password NOT Changed</H2>\n";
			echo "<STRONG>Died while connecting:</STRONG> $input<P>\n";
			unset($__ppc);
		}
		if ($__ppc) {
			fputs($passd,"user $user[name]\n");
			$input = fgets($passd, 128);
			if(!eregi( "^200", $input)) {
				fclose($passd);
				echo "<H2>Password NOT Changed</H2>\n";
				echo "<STRONG>Died while logging in:</STRONG> $input<P>\n";
				unset($__ppc);
			}
		}

		if ($__ppc) {
			fputs($passd,"pass $user[pass]\n");
			$input = fgets($passd, 128);
			if(!eregi( "^200", $input)) {
				fclose($passd);
				echo "<H2>Password NOT Changed</H2>\n";
				echo "<STRONG>Died while logging in:</STRONG> $input<P>\n";
				unset($__ppc);
			}
		}

		if ($__ppc) {
			fputs($passd,"newpass $user[new1]\n");
			$input = fgets($passd, 128);
			if(!eregi( "^200", $input)){
				fclose($passd);
				echo "<H2>Password NOT Changed</H2>\n";
				echo "<STRONG>Died while changing password:</STRONG> $input<P>\n";
				unset($__ppc);
			}
		}
		if ($__ppc) {
			fputs($passd,"quit\n");
			$input = fgets($passd, 128);
			if(!eregi( "^200", $input)){
				fclose($passd);
				echo "<H2>Password NOT Changed</H2>\n";
				echo "<STRONG>Died while quitting:</STRONG> $input<P>\n";
				unset($__ppc);
			}
		}
		if ($__ppc) {
			fclose($passd);
			?>
			<H2>Password Sucessfully Changed</H2>
			<?
		}
	} else {
		?><H2>Password NOT Changed</H2>
		<STRONG>Could Not Open Socket</STRONG><P><?
	}
} else {
	if ($user[new1] != $user[new2]) {
		?><H2>Password NOT Changed</H2>
		<STRONG>New Password Mis-match</STRONG><P><?
	}
	$showform == "yes";
}


if(($showform == "yes") || (!($__ppc))) {

// We need to show the damn form again

?>
<p>Please enter your username, old password, and new password (twice) in the form below.</p>

<p>Please be careful with your password selection, your password should be something you will remember, but
someone trying to break into your account would find hard to guess. You can use any combination of 6 to 8 upper
and lower case letters, numbers, and punctuation. Please note that the password is case sensitive, so 'HELLO' is
different from 'hello' is different from 'hElLo'.&nbsp; You are required to either mix upper/lower case or mix
alpha/numeric characters.</p>

<p><strong>DO NOT USE YOUR NAME AS A PASSWORD!</strong> In fact, you should avoid using actual words at all. You
might take two short words and combine them with a special character or number, as in &quot;robot4my', or
'eye-con'. You could also put together an acronym that is special to you, such as 'Notfsw' for 'None Of This Fancy
Stuff Works.&quot; Of course, these examples are now BAD passwords, since they are here.</p>

<CENTER>
  <FORM METHOD=POST ACTION="<% echo $PHP_SELF %>">
    <TABLE BORDER=3 CELLPADDING=0 CELLSPACING=0>
      <TR>
        <TD ALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#C0C0C0>
          <TABLE BORDER=0 CELLPADDING=3 CELLSPACING=3>
            <TR>
              <TD ALIGN=RIGHT>User Name</TD>
              <TD><INPUT TYPE=TEXT SIZE=10 MAXLENGTH=16 NAME=user[name]></TD>
            </TR>
            <TR>
              <TD ALIGN=RIGHT>Password</TD>
            <TD><INPUT TYPE=PASSWORD SIZE=10 MAXLENGTH=10 NAME=user[pass]></TD>
            </TR>
            <TR>
              <TD ALIGN=RIGHT>New Password</TD>
              <TD><INPUT TYPE=PASSWORD SIZE=10 MAXLENGTH=10 NAME=user[new1]></TD>
            </TR>
            <TR>
              <TD ALIGN=RIGHT>Confirm New Password</TD>
              <TD><INPUT TYPE=PASSWORD SIZE=10 MAXLENGTH=10 NAME=user[new2]></TD>
            </TR>
          </TABLE>
          <HR>
          <INPUT TYPE=SUBMIT VALUE="Change Password">
          <INPUT TYPE="reset" VALUE="Clear"><BR><BR>
        </TD>
      </TR>
    </TABLE>
  </FORM>
</CENTER>

<?
}
?>

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From owner-freebsd-isp  Wed Dec 29 13:34:52 1999
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On Wed, 29 Dec 1999, Will Andrews wrote:

> It is their own fault then if they do not understand the ramifications of such
> actions. They should be responsible for their own scripts..

You just don't understand, do you : we run a BUSINESS, we make MONEY with
these people. We've got to make them happy and if I can solve their
problems, I will.

> It's almost certainly not the kernel - most likely it's the shell or our Perl.

It's not, we've made changes to the kernel (see Jim Segrave's e-mail) and
this solved the problem.

ao
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From owner-freebsd-isp  Wed Dec 29 14:32:34 1999
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| Aloha all,
| 
| I am trying to get rsync working to move files to a remote rsync --daemon
| server. Does anyone out there have working examples so I can get an idea
| why I see what looks like files transfering and then find none have been
| updated. Sorry for the strange question on -isp.

My guess would have been you have the -n flag (dryrun) in the command line.
Can't show you any examples as we tend to use it in its default mode over
ssh where it logs in to the remote and starts the receiver process itself.

Its not an extended option where you've used '-' instead of '--' is it?
Another common failing is when the remote process has no write permission
on the destination. Often this manifests as files being reported as copied
but the target never being updated (finding the error reports from the remote
end can be tricky sometimes). One sign of this is often that re-running the
command results in the same file list being reported again, although I
presume this to be the case anytime the update of remote files fails.


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On 29-Dec-99 Arjan van der Oest wrote:
> You just don't understand, do you : we run a BUSINESS, we make MONEY with
> these people. We've got to make them happy and if I can solve their
> problems, I will.

I'm sorry I was so cynical but apparently you are right that it is a kernel
thing.. I just didn't see how that was possible since it was (formerly) my
belief that the shell parses options, not the kernel. So I figured you didn't
know what you were doing anyway and decided to be cynical..

> It's not, we've made changes to the kernel (see Jim Segrave's e-mail) and
> this solved the problem.

Of course, I still think the real problem is customer ignorance, but for the
sake of the argument, in your case, my kind of thinking is not acceptable. "Win
at all costs" is the way of business.. that much I understand. I am sure that
if somebody hired me to be a system administrator, I would take on your views
(since I would then be paid for figuring out how to get around such problems).

I am glad you have your problem solved. Perhaps (thanks to you) the fix proposed
by Jim will be made on the primary source tree, and you won't have to reapply
the patch by hand to keep your systems up to date. Although you probably don't
update your systems that often since it's probably not necessary.

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We have a group of people on cheaper mail-only accounts, either as
extras to go with another full account, or just so that they can access
POP3 here when connected via another ISP.

They cannot dial in, but recently they have been given shell eccess so
that they can use ssh and pine to check their mail when their pop
client is unavailable, or to delete that unwanted 25MB xmas card.

I fear it is only a matter of time before they start playing with
public_html directories and sitting on irc for hours, but for the
genuine travellers the ability to use a unix mailer occasionally is
important.

I'm thinking of setting up a mail program (pine?) as their shell so
that that's all they can use when they login. What I need to know is
how safe this would be, compared to the alternatives. Is someone
perhaps doing this already who can give some tips on software choice
and configuration to disable shell commands? Or is it a silly idea
anyway?


-- 

Regards,
        -*Sue*-
 


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From owner-freebsd-isp  Thu Dec 30  3:59:14 1999
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The one thing regarding Pine and other programs such as tin is that they
have shell escapes that you must disable or else they can still access
the shell...

A friend of mine has a BBS (yes, still to this day) that user's connect
to via modem either terminal or PPP depending on what they want... in
the menu there are options such as TIN, Pine, etc. etc.... 

When the user selects the menu item it rlogin's them to the FreeBSD
server and passes their info onward.. then Pine in this case comes up
and there is no way to shell out etc..

Hope that helps,

Paul


aunty wrote:
> 
> We have a group of people on cheaper mail-only accounts, either as
> extras to go with another full account, or just so that they can access
> POP3 here when connected via another ISP.
> 
> They cannot dial in, but recently they have been given shell eccess so
> that they can use ssh and pine to check their mail when their pop
> client is unavailable, or to delete that unwanted 25MB xmas card.
> 
> I fear it is only a matter of time before they start playing with
> public_html directories and sitting on irc for hours, but for the
> genuine travellers the ability to use a unix mailer occasionally is
> important.
> 
> I'm thinking of setting up a mail program (pine?) as their shell so
> that that's all they can use when they login. What I need to know is
> how safe this would be, compared to the alternatives. Is someone
> perhaps doing this already who can give some tips on software choice
> and configuration to disable shell commands? Or is it a silly idea
> anyway?
> 
> --
> 
> Regards,
>         -*Sue*-
> 
> 
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On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, aunty wrote:

> I'm thinking of setting up a mail program (pine?) as their shell so
> that that's all they can use when they login. What I need to know is
> how safe this would be, compared to the alternatives. Is someone
> perhaps doing this already who can give some tips on software choice
> and configuration to disable shell commands? Or is it a silly idea
> anyway?

#chpass

then change their shell to path of pine

hope that helps

Thomas Wahyudi
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         http://www.unpar.ac.id
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On 30-Dec-99 aunty wrote:
> We have a group of people on cheaper mail-only accounts, either as
> extras to go with another full account, or just so that they can access
> POP3 here when connected via another ISP.
> 
> They cannot dial in, but recently they have been given shell eccess so
> that they can use ssh and pine to check their mail when their pop
> client is unavailable, or to delete that unwanted 25MB xmas card.
> 
> I fear it is only a matter of time before they start playing with
> public_html directories and sitting on irc for hours, but for the
> genuine travellers the ability to use a unix mailer occasionally is
> important.
> 
> I'm thinking of setting up a mail program (pine?) as their shell so
> that that's all they can use when they login. What I need to know is
> how safe this would be, compared to the alternatives. Is someone
> perhaps doing this already who can give some tips on software choice
> and configuration to disable shell commands? Or is it a silly idea
> anyway?

You could try the shells/flash port (which hasn't been committed yet), if you
are interested in controlling what your users do. YMMV though, as I talked to
the flash maintainers and discovered that this version is not really ready for
public use (in that the file distributed are not really good "templates"). But
they are cleaning it up and maybe if Wes (wes@FreeBSD.org) might commit the
port.. I'll send an update as soon as some progress is made on the flash
distribution.

--
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From owner-freebsd-isp  Thu Dec 30  7: 9:35 1999
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It appears that the 3.4 ISO on cdrom.com's FTP server is somewhat messed up.
The boot kernel looks like a 3.2 kernel and it really complains through the
installation. Once I did get it installed, it did boot but almost all of the
packages on the CD were screwed up and I wasn't able to install anything at
all.. It's possible that it was my burner but the same things happened with
3 different CDs.

Just wanted to warn you guys :-)


- Mitch




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I solved it myself. For the curious: one has to use a mailboxtable =
database...

Regards
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Dan Larsson

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=C4mne:	Urgent sendmail problem!

I'm hosting mail for a company with a domain, let's say customer.com.
All mail is delivered to the customer via uucp. I need to set up so that
mail for a@customer.com, b@customer.com and c@customer.com does
not get delivered via uucp but to local accounts for access via pop3

How do I do this?

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From owner-freebsd-isp  Thu Dec 30  9: 5: 7 1999
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Subject: Re: Changing Passwords for Users using http: port 80
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Here's what I used, plagiarized from other folks, natch. I figured the
risk of users sending their new password to the web gui was no worse
than them sending in POP passwords every 60 seconds. I do have the
poppasswd daemon on the same host as the web server which at least cuts
down on that risk.

Two parts, the HTML GUI, then the CGI to do the work. And you'll need
poppasswd of course. ISP name changed to protect the innocent :-)

--Chris

<HTML>
<HEAD>

<TITLE>Change Your Password</TITLE>
<BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff" Text="#000000" Link="#0000bb" Vlink="#555555" Alink="#888888">
</HEAD>

<BODY>

<H1>Change Your Password</H1>

<p>You must be connected through ispdomain.net to change your
password.  As a security measure however if you are not logged in
through ISPDOMAIN -- perhaps connecting from some foreign ISP -- then
you will not be able to access this page.



<h2>Identity Verification</h2>

In order for our network to verify your identity, please enter your
current password below.  An unauthorized person can not change your
password without your knowledge, should you leave your computer
unattended.


<form action="/cgi-bin/change-password.cgi" method="POST">

<table>
<tr>
    <td>Username:
    <td><input type=text name="username" size=8>
    <td>(all lower case, 8 characters or less)
<tr>
    <td>Current password:
    <td><input type="password" name="oldpasswd" size=8>
    <td>(mixed case, 8 characters or less)
</td>
</table>


<h2> Select A New Password </h2>

Now you must select a new password. Your password should be something
you will remember, but someone trying to break into your account would
find hard to guess. You can use any combination of 6 to 8 upper and
lower case letters, numbers, and punctuation. Please note that the
password is case sensitive, so 'HELLO' is different from 'hello' is
different from 'hElLo'.  <P>

<P><STRONG>Do not use your name, username, or anything else obvious as
a password!</STRONG>

<p>In fact, you should avoid using actual words at all.  You might
take two short words and combine them with a special character or
number, as in "robot4my', or 'eye-con'. You could also put together an
acronym that is special to you, such as 'Notfsw?' for 'None Of This
Fancy Stuff Works?" Of course, these examples are now BAD passwords,
since they are here.  


<p>Here are the basic system requirements for a new password.
The system may reject passwords that do not meet the requirements. The best
passwords consist of the following:

<UL>
<LI>Between 6 and 8 characters
<LI>At least one upper-case character, and one lower-case character
<LI>At least one non-alpha character, such as a number and/or
    character such as: !,@,#,$,%
<LI>Your username and variations of it should not used</UL>

<table>
<tr>
    <td>Enter new password:
    <td><input type="password" name="passwd" size=8>
    <td>(6-8 characters, mixed case, with non-alphabetics)
<tr>
    <td>Re-type new password:    
    <td><input type="password" name="passwd1" size=8>
    <td>(to verify you typed it exactly right)
</table>

<input type="submit" value="Change Password">
<input type = "reset" value = "Clear Fields">

</form>



</BODY>
</HTML>

--

#!/usr/bin/perl
# $Id: change-password.cgi,v 1.2 1999/02/22 15:44:33 chris Exp $
#
# Simple UNIX user password changer based on web GUI and poppassd daemon.
#
# 1999/02/13 Chris Shenton <chris@shenton.org> for ispdomain.net.
# Plagiarized from mp@atlantic.net 2/1/97
# (http://www.atlantic.net; works with ISPs/corporations/individuals)
# They plagiarized from Chris Candreva's "wwwpass"
# (http://www.westnet.com/providers/)
#
# For ispdomain.net we need to propagate the password file from the WWW/FTP
# machine to the to the SMTP/POP/IMAP and RADIUS boxes. Use the SSH-based
# script I wrote. Are there any risks I'm missing here?
#
# The CGI argument processing and socket to poppassd can probably be better
# done with modern Perl modules, but this has the advantage of not requiring
# any extra baggage in the customer's Perl installation.
###############################################################################

# Install the HTML somewhere like $WWWROOT/password/index.html
# so users can change via http://www.domain/password/
# I recommend you restrict access to the HTML, CGI, and poppassd daemon
# to the minimum set of hosts you can get by with. Else everyone on the net
# will try and break in through automated attacks.
#
# The web form GUI asks for username, old, and new passwords 
# then invokes a CGI which talks to the poppassd password-changing daemon
# from Qualcomm (Eudora authors).
#
# It uses your poppassd port to do the work, so it requires 
# you have it installed -- but that way it will honor any
# type of security checks you want/have implemented. 
# It also isolates your password changing from any server-specific 
# password database implementations like shadow password files,
# FreeBSD-style hash databases, etc.
#
# Note that non-SSL web forms basically send this sensitive information
# over the net in the clear, and the CGI will talk to the poppassd daemon
# in the clear if they're on different machines. This is a security
# vulnerability and you need to determine the risk relative to other risks
# at your site, e.g.: users sending POP passwords in the clear, changing
# passwords over unencrypted telnet links, etc.
#
# You will need to change the line with $poppassd_host= to your poppassd
# server.  This script can be run on a different machine than where
# the poppassd program resides; and you will have to change the
# "rawclient" line from rio.atlantic.net to match the hostname of the
# host this script runs from.
###############################################################################

$www_url="http://www.ispdomain.net/password/";	# Where the HTML form lives
$www_admin="www\@ispdomain.net"; # Whatever's right for you.
$poppassd_port=106;		# 106 is standard port for poppassd
$poppassd_host="localhost";	# localhost if httpd, poppassd on same box
$wwwcgi_host="localhost";	# wwwcgi_host should be localhost, or
#chop($wwwcgi_host=`hostname`);	# can get from UNIX hostname command
#print "wwwcgi_host=$wwwcgi_host"; # maybe ignored/defaulted later; see below

###############################################################################

read(STDIN, $buffer, $ENV{'CONTENT_LENGTH'});
@pairs = split(/&/, $buffer);	# Split the name-value pairs
foreach $pair (@pairs)
{
    ($name, $value) = split(/=/, $pair);
    # Stop people from using subshells to execute commands
    # Not a big deal when using sendmail, but very important
    # when using UCB mail (aka mailx).
    # This will strip ! from passwords, not good.
    #$value =~ s/~!/ ~!/g;
    # Un-Webify plus signs and %-encoding
    $value =~ tr/+/ /;
    $value =~ s/%([a-fA-F0-9][a-fA-F0-9])/pack("C", hex($1))/eg;
    $name =~ tr/+/ /;
    $name =~ s/%([a-fA-F0-9][a-fA-F0-9])/pack("C", hex($1))/eg;

    # Set each variable
    if ($name eq "username")
    {
	$n=$value;
    }
    if ($name eq "oldpasswd")
    {
	$op=$value;
    }
    if ($name eq "passwd")
    {
	$np=$value;
    }
    if ($name eq "passwd1")
    {
	$np1=$value;
    }
}

if ($np ne $np1)
{
    $line="New Passwords Don't Match.";
    &error_out;
}
if ($line = &password_weak($n, $np)) {
    &error_out;
}

($name,$alias,$proto)=getprotobyname("tcp");

# This doesn't seem to be necessary, and may tie code to hardwired server name.
($name,$alias,$type,$len,$rawclient)=gethostbyname($wwwcgi_host);
$clientaddr=pack("Sna4x8",2,0,$rawclient);

($name,$alias,$type,$len,$rawserver)=gethostbyname($poppassd_host);
$serveraddr=pack("Sna4x8",2,$poppassd_port,$rawserver);

socket(SOCKET,2,1,$proto) ||
    die "No socket";
bind (SOCKET,$clientaddr) ||
    die "Can't bind to socket to wwwcgi_host=$wwwcgi_host";
$cstat=connect(SOCKET, $serveraddr);
select(SOCKET);
$|=1;

if ($cstat != 0)
{
    &get_reply;
    print SOCKET "user $n\n";
    &get_reply;
    print SOCKET "pass $op\n";
    &get_reply;
    print SOCKET "newpass $np\n";
    &get_reply;
    select(STDOUT);
    printf("Content-type: text/html\n\n<HTML><HEAD>\n");
    printf("<TITLE>Change Password -- Success</TITLE></HEAD>\n");
    printf("<BODY><H1>Change Password -- Success</H1>\n");
    printf("Your password has been changed successfully.");
    printf("<p>Server reports: $line<BR>\n");
    printf("<hr><p>The password is now changed on the WWW and FTP servers. ");
    printf("The change will be propagated to the Dial-in and Mail servers ");
    printf("shortly.  Passwords are synchronized once an hour at 30inutes ");
    printf("past the hour; until that time you will have to use your old ");
    printf("password for Dial-in and Mail.");
    printf("</BODY></HTML>\n");
    exit(1);
}
else
{
    $line="Password Server is not responding.\n";
    &error_out;
}
close(SOCKET);
exit(1);

###############################################################################
# Security Policy: 6-8 chars, at least one non-alpha, no embedded username.

sub password_weak {
    local($Username, $Password)    = @_;
    local($c);

    if ((length($Password) < 6) || length($Password) > 8) {
        return("Password length must be between 6 and 8 characters.");
    }
    if ($Password =~ /$Username/i) {
	return("Password countains the username; too obvious");
    }
    $Username = join('', reverse(split(//, $Username)));
    #return("username-r=$Username, password=$Password");
    if ($Password =~ /$Username/i) {
	return("Password contains the reversed username; too obvious");
    }
    for ($c = 0; $c < length($Password); $c++) {
        if (substr($Password, $c, 1) =~ /[^a-zA-Z]/) {  # Found a non-alpha
            return();
        }
    }
    return("Password must contain at least one non-alphabetic character");
}

###############################################################################
sub get_reply 
{
    $line=<SOCKET>;
    $v=substr($line,0,3);
    if ($v ne "200")
    {
	&error_out;
    }
}

###############################################################################
sub error_out
{
    select(STDOUT);
    printf("Content-type: text/html\n\n<HTML><HEAD>\n");
    printf("<TITLE>Change Password -- Error Occurred</TITLE></HEAD>\n");
    printf("<BODY><H1>Change Password -- Error Occurred</H1>\n");
    printf("We were unable to change your password. Please read the ");
    printf("following diagnostic message: "); 
    printf("<p><blockquote>$line</blockquote>");
    printf("<p>Now return to <a href=$www_url>$www_url</a> and try again.");
    printf("<p>If you need additional assistance, please send e-mail to ");
    printf("the administrator <a href=mailto:$www_admin>$www_admin</a> ");
    printf("with the above diagnostic message.");
    printf("</BODY></HTML>\n");
    exit(1);
}



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Hi, 

it looks a bit messy but it can be used : the 3.2 kernel boot
floppies seems to be a warning.
I only had trouble with the postfix, linux-netscape-4.7, wwwoffle
packages.

Stephane.
On Thu, Dec 30, 1999 at 10:12:37AM -0500, Mitch Vincent wrote:
> It appears that the 3.4 ISO on cdrom.com's FTP server is somewhat messed up.
> The boot kernel looks like a 3.2 kernel and it really complains through the
> installation. Once I did get it installed, it did boot but almost all of the
> packages on the CD were screwed up and I wasn't able to install anything at
> all.. It's possible that it was my burner but the same things happened with
> 3 different CDs.
> 
> Just wanted to warn you guys :-)
> 

-- 
--
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	--------------------------------------------------------------
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I had a lot of trouble with just about every package I tried to install..

----- Original Message -----
From: <Stephane.Lentz@ansf.alcatel.fr>
To: Mitch Vincent <mitch@venux.net>
Cc: <freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: 3.4 ISO, Beware.


> Hi,
>
> it looks a bit messy but it can be used : the 3.2 kernel boot
> floppies seems to be a warning.
> I only had trouble with the postfix, linux-netscape-4.7, wwwoffle
> packages.
>
> Stephane.
> On Thu, Dec 30, 1999 at 10:12:37AM -0500, Mitch Vincent wrote:
> > It appears that the 3.4 ISO on cdrom.com's FTP server is somewhat messed
up.
> > The boot kernel looks like a 3.2 kernel and it really complains through
the
> > installation. Once I did get it installed, it did boot but almost all of
the
> > packages on the CD were screwed up and I wasn't able to install anything
at
> > all.. It's possible that it was my burner but the same things happened
with
> > 3 different CDs.
> >
> > Just wanted to warn you guys :-)
> >
>
> --
> --
> Stephane Lentz -  Alcanet - Stephane.Lentz@alcatel.fr
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" (Alan Kay)
>



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Subject: Re: 3.4 ISO, Beware.
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When did you download the ISO ?
The first one I got had these problems then - on Monday - I've
downloaded a new ISO without these *big* packages problems.
Anyone have seen this too?

Stephane.

On Thu, Dec 30, 1999 at 02:12:17PM -0500, Mitch Vincent wrote:
> I had a lot of trouble with just about every package I tried to install..
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Stephane.Lentz@ansf.alcatel.fr>
> To: Mitch Vincent <mitch@venux.net>
> Cc: <freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 3:04 PM
> Subject: Re: 3.4 ISO, Beware.
> 
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > it looks a bit messy but it can be used : the 3.2 kernel boot
> > floppies seems to be a warning.
> > I only had trouble with the postfix, linux-netscape-4.7, wwwoffle
> > packages.
> >
> > Stephane.
> > On Thu, Dec 30, 1999 at 10:12:37AM -0500, Mitch Vincent wrote:
> > > It appears that the 3.4 ISO on cdrom.com's FTP server is somewhat messed
> up.
> > > The boot kernel looks like a 3.2 kernel and it really complains through
> the
> > > installation. Once I did get it installed, it did boot but almost all of
> the
> > > packages on the CD were screwed up and I wasn't able to install anything
> at
> > > all.. It's possible that it was my burner but the same things happened
> with
> > > 3 different CDs.
> > >
> > > Just wanted to warn you guys :-)
> > >
> >
Stephane Lentz -  Alcanet - Stephane.Lentz@alcatel.fr


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It was yesterday that I downloaded and burned it. Since I'm getting 7k/sec
from cdrom.com now (via our T1) I don't think I'm going to get a new ISO by
today :-)

-Mitch


----- Original Message -----
From: <Stephane.Lentz@ansf.alcatel.fr>
To: Mitch Vincent <mitch@venux.net>
Cc: <freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: 3.4 ISO, Beware.


> When did you download the ISO ?
> The first one I got had these problems then - on Monday - I've
> downloaded a new ISO without these *big* packages problems.
> Anyone have seen this too?
>
> Stephane.
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 1999 at 02:12:17PM -0500, Mitch Vincent wrote:
> > I had a lot of trouble with just about every package I tried to
install..
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Stephane.Lentz@ansf.alcatel.fr>
> > To: Mitch Vincent <mitch@venux.net>
> > Cc: <freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 3:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: 3.4 ISO, Beware.
> >
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > it looks a bit messy but it can be used : the 3.2 kernel boot
> > > floppies seems to be a warning.
> > > I only had trouble with the postfix, linux-netscape-4.7, wwwoffle
> > > packages.
> > >
> > > Stephane.
> > > On Thu, Dec 30, 1999 at 10:12:37AM -0500, Mitch Vincent wrote:
> > > > It appears that the 3.4 ISO on cdrom.com's FTP server is somewhat
messed
> > up.
> > > > The boot kernel looks like a 3.2 kernel and it really complains
through
> > the
> > > > installation. Once I did get it installed, it did boot but almost
all of
> > the
> > > > packages on the CD were screwed up and I wasn't able to install
anything
> > at
> > > > all.. It's possible that it was my burner but the same things
happened
> > with
> > > > 3 different CDs.
> > > >
> > > > Just wanted to warn you guys :-)
> > > >
> > >
> Stephane Lentz -  Alcanet - Stephane.Lentz@alcatel.fr
>



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Is there a new ISO?

On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Mitch Vincent wrote:

> It was yesterday that I downloaded and burned it. Since I'm getting 7k/sec
> from cdrom.com now (via our T1) I don't think I'm going to get a new ISO by
> today :-)
> 
> -Mitch
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Stephane.Lentz@ansf.alcatel.fr>
> To: Mitch Vincent <mitch@venux.net>
> Cc: <freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 3:28 PM
> Subject: Re: 3.4 ISO, Beware.
> 
> 
> > When did you download the ISO ?
> > The first one I got had these problems then - on Monday - I've
> > downloaded a new ISO without these *big* packages problems.
> > Anyone have seen this too?
> >
> > Stephane.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 30, 1999 at 02:12:17PM -0500, Mitch Vincent wrote:
> > > I had a lot of trouble with just about every package I tried to
> install..
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <Stephane.Lentz@ansf.alcatel.fr>
> > > To: Mitch Vincent <mitch@venux.net>
> > > Cc: <freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 3:04 PM
> > > Subject: Re: 3.4 ISO, Beware.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > it looks a bit messy but it can be used : the 3.2 kernel boot
> > > > floppies seems to be a warning.
> > > > I only had trouble with the postfix, linux-netscape-4.7, wwwoffle
> > > > packages.
> > > >
> > > > Stephane.
> > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 1999 at 10:12:37AM -0500, Mitch Vincent wrote:
> > > > > It appears that the 3.4 ISO on cdrom.com's FTP server is somewhat
> messed
> > > up.
> > > > > The boot kernel looks like a 3.2 kernel and it really complains
> through
> > > the
> > > > > installation. Once I did get it installed, it did boot but almost
> all of
> > > the
> > > > > packages on the CD were screwed up and I wasn't able to install
> anything
> > > at
> > > > > all.. It's possible that it was my burner but the same things
> happened
> > > with
> > > > > 3 different CDs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just wanted to warn you guys :-)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > Stephane Lentz -  Alcanet - Stephane.Lentz@alcatel.fr
> >
> 
> 
> 
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I was getting the 3.3 ISO today, sorry about the confusion :-)


----- Original Message -----
From: Evren Yurtesen <yurtesen@ispro.net.tr>
To: Mitch Vincent <mitch@venux.net>
Cc: <Stephane.Lentz@ansf.alcatel.fr>; <freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: 3.4 ISO, Beware.


> Is there a new ISO?
>
> On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Mitch Vincent wrote:
>
> > It was yesterday that I downloaded and burned it. Since I'm getting
7k/sec
> > from cdrom.com now (via our T1) I don't think I'm going to get a new ISO
by
> > today :-)
> >
> > -Mitch
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Stephane.Lentz@ansf.alcatel.fr>
> > To: Mitch Vincent <mitch@venux.net>
> > Cc: <freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 3:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: 3.4 ISO, Beware.
> >
> >
> > > When did you download the ISO ?
> > > The first one I got had these problems then - on Monday - I've
> > > downloaded a new ISO without these *big* packages problems.
> > > Anyone have seen this too?
> > >
> > > Stephane.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 30, 1999 at 02:12:17PM -0500, Mitch Vincent wrote:
> > > > I had a lot of trouble with just about every package I tried to
> > install..
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <Stephane.Lentz@ansf.alcatel.fr>
> > > > To: Mitch Vincent <mitch@venux.net>
> > > > Cc: <freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 3:04 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: 3.4 ISO, Beware.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > it looks a bit messy but it can be used : the 3.2 kernel boot
> > > > > floppies seems to be a warning.
> > > > > I only had trouble with the postfix, linux-netscape-4.7, wwwoffle
> > > > > packages.
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephane.
> > > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 1999 at 10:12:37AM -0500, Mitch Vincent wrote:
> > > > > > It appears that the 3.4 ISO on cdrom.com's FTP server is
somewhat
> > messed
> > > > up.
> > > > > > The boot kernel looks like a 3.2 kernel and it really complains
> > through
> > > > the
> > > > > > installation. Once I did get it installed, it did boot but
almost
> > all of
> > > > the
> > > > > > packages on the CD were screwed up and I wasn't able to install
> > anything
> > > > at
> > > > > > all.. It's possible that it was my burner but the same things
> > happened
> > > > with
> > > > > > 3 different CDs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just wanted to warn you guys :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > Stephane Lentz -  Alcanet - Stephane.Lentz@alcatel.fr
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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While we're on this thread I'd just like to say how much easier life is 
with ISOs of FreeBSD.  Thanks guys.




At 02:43 PM 12/30/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I was getting the 3.3 ISO today, sorry about the confusion :-)
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Evren Yurtesen <yurtesen@ispro.net.tr>
>To: Mitch Vincent <mitch@venux.net>
>Cc: <Stephane.Lentz@ansf.alcatel.fr>; <freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG>
>Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 2:37 PM
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>
>
> > Is there a new ISO?
> >
> > On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Mitch Vincent wrote:
> >
> > > It was yesterday that I downloaded and burned it. Since I'm getting
>7k/sec
> > > from cdrom.com now (via our T1) I don't think I'm going to get a new ISO
>by
> > > today :-)
> > >
> > > -Mitch
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <Stephane.Lentz@ansf.alcatel.fr>
> > > To: Mitch Vincent <mitch@venux.net>
> > > Cc: <freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 3:28 PM
> > > Subject: Re: 3.4 ISO, Beware.
> > >
> > >
> > > > When did you download the ISO ?
> > > > The first one I got had these problems then - on Monday - I've
> > > > downloaded a new ISO without these *big* packages problems.
> > > > Anyone have seen this too?
> > > >
> > > > Stephane.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 1999 at 02:12:17PM -0500, Mitch Vincent wrote:
> > > > > I had a lot of trouble with just about every package I tried to
> > > install..
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <Stephane.Lentz@ansf.alcatel.fr>
> > > > > To: Mitch Vincent <mitch@venux.net>
> > > > > Cc: <freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 1999 3:04 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: 3.4 ISO, Beware.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > it looks a bit messy but it can be used : the 3.2 kernel boot
> > > > > > floppies seems to be a warning.
> > > > > > I only had trouble with the postfix, linux-netscape-4.7, wwwoffle
> > > > > > packages.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stephane.
> > > > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 1999 at 10:12:37AM -0500, Mitch Vincent wrote:
> > > > > > > It appears that the 3.4 ISO on cdrom.com's FTP server is
>somewhat
> > > messed
> > > > > up.
> > > > > > > The boot kernel looks like a 3.2 kernel and it really complains
> > > through
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > installation. Once I did get it installed, it did boot but
>almost
> > > all of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > packages on the CD were screwed up and I wasn't able to install
> > > anything
> > > > > at
> > > > > > > all.. It's possible that it was my burner but the same things
> > > happened
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > 3 different CDs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just wanted to warn you guys :-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > Stephane Lentz -  Alcanet - Stephane.Lentz@alcatel.fr
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Hello,

A few minutes ago my friend called and he told that he was taking
backup and then machine crashed. Then when he booted the machine
right after finding the hard drives. The machine was giving segmentation
fault. (I think after writing 'changing root device to...') We tried to
boot with GENERIC kernel and old kernels. We 
got the same fault again and again. But the machine is getting
opened in single user mode. Even we issue boot -s at the boot time
the machine is giving segmentation fault warning and then getting opened
in single user mode. If we exit the single user mode we get the
same segmentation fault error and machine crashes completely.

What can be the cause? We were using 3.3-STABLE.

Thanks!!!



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From owner-freebsd-isp  Fri Dec 31 10:27:53 1999
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Well, there's just under 11 hours to Y2K (EST).

3 and a half years ago, I saw an opportunity to work with an amazing
business person to build an ISP.  At the time, I was a linux freak, but
quickly realized that FreeBSD would be a much better choice in such an
environment.  3 years ago, we went live with a single FreeBSD server, a
Cisco 2501, and a Max 4004.  It's been smooth sailing since (few bumps, but
that's ok!).

I'd like to extend my deepest gratitude to the developers and contributors
to the FreeBSD project.   You've made my career.  Without you, I'd probably
have spent the last 3 years pulling my hair out trying to maintain a slew of
Linux boxes.


On to business at hand:  While I expect the transition to 1/1/2000 to be
eventless, I'm wondering if anyone in any other time zones has experienced
any ill effects.

If folks who have already moved to Y2K could post back to the list to let us
know that everything's ok, I'm sure that those of us who are still waiting
would be gratefully appreciative.


Thanks again to everyone,

Troy Settle



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On Fri, 31 Dec 1999, Troy Settle wrote:

> On to business at hand:  While I expect the transition to 1/1/2000 to be
> eventless, I'm wondering if anyone in any other time zones has experienced
> any ill effects.
> 
> If folks who have already moved to Y2K could post back to the list to let us
> know that everything's ok, I'm sure that those of us who are still waiting
> would be gratefully appreciative.

Hi Troy,

Been fairly uneventful here, one machine had a problem with the BIOS date
(thinks it's 1994 or 2094 but doesn't seem to want to retain 2000), but
this is easily fixed with an ntpdate sync in rc.local (ideally it should
probably happen earlier which I'll look into...)

There are no FreeBSD problems that I'm aware of, and the only oddities I
noticed in the city were that the street lights went out at midnight -
most likely because of the fireworks - and there were a few sirens and
ambulances floating around - most likely because of the large numbers of
people in the city, same as any new year.

I'm located in Melbourne, Australia.

Cheers.



--
Rowan Crowe                              http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/
Sensation Internet Services                    http://www.sensation.net.au/
Melbourne, Australia                                 Phone: +61-3-9388-9260



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Couldn't resist taking a picture of my uptimes (in case they fall
victim to a power outage). The Webserver and Shell Server are lower
than the others because of Stupid Admin Tricks.



Mailserver
 1:32PM  up 324 days, 12:23, 8 users, load averages: 0.15, 0.29, 0.29

Webserver
 1:30PM  up 131 days,  2:50, 8 users, load averages: 0.18, 0.10, 0.03

Shell Server
 1:31PM  up 126 days, 12:11, 1 user, load averages: 0.38, 0.22, 0.10

Radius Server
 1:32PM  up 290 days, 30 mins, 4 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

Primary DNS
 1:33PM  up 387 days,  9:44, 4 users, load averages: 0.07, 0.07, 0.01

Secondary DNS
 1:34PM  up 273 days,  1:10, 3 users, load averages: 0.01, 0.01, 0.00


-

Barrett Richardson (my name)
barrett@aye.net    (my email address)
main(){}           (my program)



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On 31 Dec 99, at 13:53, Barrett Richardson wrote:

> Couldn't resist taking a picture of my uptimes (in case they fall
> victim to a power outage). The Webserver and Shell Server are lower
> than the others because of Stupid Admin Tricks.
> Mailserver
>  1:32PM  up 324 days, 12:23, 8 users, load averages: 0.15, 0.29, 0.29

High 'uptimes' are cool i guess, but not from an administrative 
stand point. So if you reboot your machine, and something doesnt 
work, you have 324 days of backtracking to figure out what was
changed.

I reboot my machine monthly.

-- Matthew


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On Fri, Dec 31, 1999 at 02:02:59PM -0500,Matthew McGehrin did mutter:
> On 31 Dec 99, at 13:53, Barrett Richardson wrote:
> 
> > Couldn't resist taking a picture of my uptimes (in case they fall
> > victim to a power outage). The Webserver and Shell Server are lower
> > than the others because of Stupid Admin Tricks.
> > Mailserver
> >  1:32PM  up 324 days, 12:23, 8 users, load averages: 0.15, 0.29, 0.29
> 
> High 'uptimes' are cool i guess, but not from an administrative 
> stand point. So if you reboot your machine, and something doesnt 
> work, you have 324 days of backtracking to figure out what was
> changed.

 Ermmm... 

 You _should_ be able to duplicate the conditions up to a point for
 any service that is started at boot time .. especially something in
 /etc/rc.local. So rebooting is not that necessary. Now if you change
 something basic to the system ( amd, /bin/sh, etc ) you should test
 it. If you change something that _could_ be basic to the system (
 perl ) you might consider at least testing the scripts that are
 called at boot time.

 But rebooting once a month just to make sure won't work in this
 production environment.. so we are just careful about what we
 change.. and test the hell outta it too ;-)

 kheva% uptime
 2:25PM  up 299 days, 15:07, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
 kheva% uname -a
 FreeBSD kheva 3.1-19990219-STABLE

 Happy New year!

  - branson

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Branson Matheson wrote:
>  kheva% uptime
>  2:25PM  up 299 days, 15:07, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
>  kheva% uname -a
>  FreeBSD kheva 3.1-19990219-STABLE

$ uname -a
FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 2.2.5-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE
$ uptime
 8:29PM  up 492 days, 15:31, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

% uname -a
FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 2.2.6-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE
% uptime
 8:34PM  up 403 days,  5:52, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

% uname -a
FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 2.2.8-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE
% uptime
 8:19PM  up 282 days, 21:57, 1 user, load averages: 0.07, 0.02, 0.01

% uname -a
FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 2.2.7-STABLE FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE
% uptime
 8:39PM  up 208 days,  4:03, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

% uname -a
FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 3.2-STABLE FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE
% uptime
 8:38PM  up 199 days,  8:24, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

% uname -a
FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 3.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE
% uptime
 8:31PM  up 193 days,  8:32, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00


Happy New year!

-- 
Andre


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From owner-freebsd-isp  Fri Dec 31 11:47:53 1999
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Don't you people ever upgrade your servers?  :-/

On Fri, 31 Dec 1999, Andre Oppermann wrote:

> Branson Matheson wrote:
> >  kheva% uptime
> >  2:25PM  up 299 days, 15:07, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
> >  kheva% uname -a
> >  FreeBSD kheva 3.1-19990219-STABLE
> 
> $ uname -a
> FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 2.2.5-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE
> $ uptime
>  8:29PM  up 492 days, 15:31, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
> 
> % uname -a
> FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 2.2.6-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE
> % uptime
>  8:34PM  up 403 days,  5:52, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
> 
> % uname -a
> FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 2.2.8-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE
> % uptime
>  8:19PM  up 282 days, 21:57, 1 user, load averages: 0.07, 0.02, 0.01
> 
> % uname -a
> FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 2.2.7-STABLE FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE
> % uptime
>  8:39PM  up 208 days,  4:03, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
> 
> % uname -a
> FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 3.2-STABLE FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE
> % uptime
>  8:38PM  up 199 days,  8:24, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
> 
> % uname -a
> FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 3.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE
> % uptime
>  8:31PM  up 193 days,  8:32, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00
> 
> 
> Happy New year!
> 
> -- 
> Andre
> 
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What will happend to 2.2.5 in a couple of hours!


up@3.am wrote:

> Don't you people ever upgrade your servers?  :-/
>
> On Fri, 31 Dec 1999, Andre Oppermann wrote:
>
> > Branson Matheson wrote:
> > >  kheva% uptime
> > >  2:25PM  up 299 days, 15:07, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
> > >  kheva% uname -a
> > >  FreeBSD kheva 3.1-19990219-STABLE
> >
> > $ uname -a
> > FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 2.2.5-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE
> > $ uptime
> >  8:29PM  up 492 days, 15:31, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
> >
> > % uname -a
> > FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 2.2.6-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE
> > % uptime
> >  8:34PM  up 403 days,  5:52, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
> >
> > % uname -a
> > FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 2.2.8-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE
> > % uptime
> >  8:19PM  up 282 days, 21:57, 1 user, load averages: 0.07, 0.02, 0.01
> >
> > % uname -a
> > FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 2.2.7-STABLE FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE
> > % uptime
> >  8:39PM  up 208 days,  4:03, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
> >
> > % uname -a
> > FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 3.2-STABLE FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE
> > % uptime
> >  8:38PM  up 199 days,  8:24, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
> >
> > % uname -a
> > FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 3.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE
> > % uptime
> >  8:31PM  up 193 days,  8:32, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00
> >
> >
> > Happy New year!
> >
> > --
> > Andre
> >
> >
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probably not this:

$ uname -a
 FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 2.2.5-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE
$ uptime
 12:01AM  up -36340 days, 15:31, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

:) :) :)

n8


On Fri, 31 Dec 1999, Andrew wrote:

> What will happend to 2.2.5 in a couple of hours!
> 
> 
> up@3.am wrote:
> 
> > Don't you people ever upgrade your servers?  :-/
> >
> > On Fri, 31 Dec 1999, Andre Oppermann wrote:
> >
> > > Branson Matheson wrote:
> > > >  kheva% uptime
> > > >  2:25PM  up 299 days, 15:07, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
> > > >  kheva% uname -a
> > > >  FreeBSD kheva 3.1-19990219-STABLE
> > >
> > > $ uname -a
> > > FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 2.2.5-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE
> > > $ uptime
> > >  8:29PM  up 492 days, 15:31, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
> > >
> > > % uname -a
> > > FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 2.2.6-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE
> > > % uptime
> > >  8:34PM  up 403 days,  5:52, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
> > >
> > > % uname -a
> > > FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 2.2.8-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE
> > > % uptime
> > >  8:19PM  up 282 days, 21:57, 1 user, load averages: 0.07, 0.02, 0.01
> > >
> > > % uname -a
> > > FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 2.2.7-STABLE FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE
> > > % uptime
> > >  8:39PM  up 208 days,  4:03, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
> > >
> > > % uname -a
> > > FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 3.2-STABLE FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE
> > > % uptime
> > >  8:38PM  up 199 days,  8:24, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
> > >
> > > % uname -a
> > > FreeBSD xxx.pipeline.ch 3.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE
> > > % uptime
> > >  8:31PM  up 193 days,  8:32, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00
> > >
> > >
> > > Happy New year!
> > >
> > > --
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 On Fri, Dec 31, 1999 at 02:02:59PM -0500, Thus Spake Matthew McGehrin:
 > On 31 Dec 99, at 13:53, Barrett Richardson wrote:
 
 > > Couldn't resist taking a picture of my uptimes (in case they fall
 > > victim to a power outage). The Webserver and Shell Server are lower
 > > than the others because of Stupid Admin Tricks.
 > > Mailserver
 > >  1:32PM  up 324 days, 12:23, 8 users, load averages: 0.15, 0.29, 0.29
 
 > High 'uptimes' are cool i guess, but not from an administrative 
 > stand point. So if you reboot your machine, and something doesnt 
 > work, you have 324 days of backtracking to figure out what was
 > changed.
 
 Just because a machine stays up for months on end doesn't mean you
 shouldn't check all the system logs at least on a weekly basis.
 
 You will not have backtracking problems because you'll know what
 has changed.
 
 > I reboot my machine monthly.
 
 Not needed IMO
 
 Bill
 
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On Fri, 31 Dec 1999 up@3.am wrote:

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> Don't you people ever upgrade your servers?  :-/
> 

They get upgraded on every reboot :-)



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On Fri, 31 Dec 1999, Barrett Richardson wrote:

> Couldn't resist taking a picture of my uptimes (in case they fall
> victim to a power outage). The Webserver and Shell Server are lower
> than the others because of Stupid Admin Tricks.

My machines now have an uptime of about 11 hours and 10 mins due to
post-y2k testing. :) Perhaps you should also consider this...

Cheers.


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On Fri, 31 Dec 1999, Barrett Richardson wrote:

> 
> Couldn't resist taking a picture of my uptimes (in case they fall
> victim to a power outage). The Webserver and Shell Server are lower
> than the others because of Stupid Admin Tricks.
> 
> 
> 
> Mailserver
>  1:32PM  up 324 days, 12:23, 8 users, load averages: 0.15, 0.29, 0.29
> 
> Webserver
>  1:30PM  up 131 days,  2:50, 8 users, load averages: 0.18, 0.10, 0.03
> 
> Shell Server
>  1:31PM  up 126 days, 12:11, 1 user, load averages: 0.38, 0.22, 0.10
> 
> Radius Server
>  1:32PM  up 290 days, 30 mins, 4 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
> 
> Primary DNS
>  1:33PM  up 387 days,  9:44, 4 users, load averages: 0.07, 0.07, 0.01
> 
> Secondary DNS
>  1:34PM  up 273 days,  1:10, 3 users, load averages: 0.01, 0.01, 0.00
> 

Just curious, what releases/versions are these running? I can't resist
the urge to upgrade long enough to ever come near this.

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Hi folks,

I need some help.

I was running my ntpdate as follows:

#sync our time using ntpdate ... I need to add more servers
0	0-23/6	*	*	*	root	/usr/sbin/ntpdate
www.mit.edu ftp.cdrom.com >/dev/nulll

It was working fine, but now its giving me error like this:
"No suitable server is found"

So could somebody tell me what will be suitabel server to check sync
ntpdate.

Happy New Year To all of the FreeBSd Crue and support members.
Thank You Very much.

Jahanur



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On Friday, 31 December 1999 at 18:53:40 -0600, jahanur wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I need some help.
>
> I was running my ntpdate as follows:
>
> #sync our time using ntpdate ... I need to add more servers
> 0	0-23/6	*	*	*	root	/usr/sbin/ntpdate
> www.mit.edu ftp.cdrom.com >/dev/nulll

You need to put all this on one line.  You should also change the name
to /dev/null or you will end up with an additional file /dev/nulll.
And you probably want to use [x]ntpd, not ntpdate.

> It was working fine, but now its giving me error like this:
> "No suitable server is found"
>
> So could somebody tell me what will be suitabel server to check sync
> ntpdate.

Check http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/servers.html.

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Thanks Greg,
A very happy new year to you. I wish that you get more rewards for what
you do, in the comming year.

Thank you again.

On Sat, 1 Jan 2000, Greg Lehey wrote:

> On Friday, 31 December 1999 at 18:53:40 -0600, jahanur wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > I need some help.
> >
> > I was running my ntpdate as follows:
> >
> > #sync our time using ntpdate ... I need to add more servers
> > 0	0-23/6	*	*	*	root	/usr/sbin/ntpdate
> > www.mit.edu ftp.cdrom.com >/dev/nulll
> 
> You need to put all this on one line.  You should also change the name
> to /dev/null or you will end up with an additional file /dev/nulll.
> And you probably want to use [x]ntpd, not ntpdate.
> 
> > It was working fine, but now its giving me error like this:
> > "No suitable server is found"
> >
> > So could somebody tell me what will be suitabel server to check sync
> > ntpdate.
> 
> Check http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/servers.html.
> 
> Greg
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One more question.
I have got the xntpd running but wanted to know what is ntp.drift file do.
or what should I put in there.
Central time zone.
Thanks in Advance
Jahanur


On Sat, 1 Jan 2000, Greg Lehey wrote:

> On Friday, 31 December 1999 at 18:53:40 -0600, jahanur wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > I need some help.
> >
> > I was running my ntpdate as follows:
> >
> > #sync our time using ntpdate ... I need to add more servers
> > 0	0-23/6	*	*	*	root	/usr/sbin/ntpdate
> > www.mit.edu ftp.cdrom.com >/dev/nulll
> 
> You need to put all this on one line.  You should also change the name
> to /dev/null or you will end up with an additional file /dev/nulll.
> And you probably want to use [x]ntpd, not ntpdate.
> 
> > It was working fine, but now its giving me error like this:
> > "No suitable server is found"
> >
> > So could somebody tell me what will be suitabel server to check sync
> > ntpdate.
> 
> Check http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/servers.html.
> 
> Greg
> --
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> 
> 
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On Friday, 31 December 1999 at 23:13:03 -0600, jahanur wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2000, Greg Lehey wrote:
>
>> On Friday, 31 December 1999 at 18:53:40 -0600, jahanur wrote:
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> I need some help.
>>>
>>> I was running my ntpdate as follows:
>>>
>>> #sync our time using ntpdate ... I need to add more servers
>>> 0	0-23/6	*	*	*	root	/usr/sbin/ntpdate
>>> www.mit.edu ftp.cdrom.com >/dev/nulll
>>
>> You need to put all this on one line.  You should also change the name
>> to /dev/null or you will end up with an additional file /dev/nulll.
>> And you probably want to use [x]ntpd, not ntpdate.
>>
>>> It was working fine, but now its giving me error like this:
>>> "No suitable server is found"
>>>
>>> So could somebody tell me what will be suitabel server to check sync
>>> ntpdate.
>>
>> Check http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/servers.html.
>
> One more question.
> I have got the xntpd running but wanted to know what is ntp.drift file do.
> or what should I put in there.

It's in the xntpd man page:

     driftfile filename
             This command specifies the name of the file used to record the
             frequency offset of the local clock oscillator. If the file ex-
             ists, it is read at startup in order to set the initial frequency
             offset and then updated once per hour with the current offset
             computed by the daemon. If the file does not exist or this com-
             mand is not given, the initial frequency offset is assumed zero.
             In this case, it may take some hours for the frequency to stabi-
             lize and the residual timing errors to subside. The file contains
             a single floating point value equal to the offset in parts-per-
             million (ppm). Note that the file is updated by first writing the
             current drift value into a temporary file and then using re-
             name(2) to replace the old version. This implies that xntpd must
             have write permission for the directory the drift file is located
             in, and that file system links, symbolic or otherwise, should
             probably be avoided.

The last sentence shows, of course, that the writer doesn't really
understand what a link is.  Symbolic links may be a bad idea, but
"hard links" are the only way to have files at all.

Greg
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I have created the drift file but left it empty becuase I dont know how
much is the offset time is. So I thought I was doing somthing wrong. I
just wanted to make sure.

Thank You again.

Jahanur



On Sat, 1 Jan 2000, Greg Lehey wrote:

> On Friday, 31 December 1999 at 23:13:03 -0600, jahanur wrote:
> > On Sat, 1 Jan 2000, Greg Lehey wrote:
> >
> >> On Friday, 31 December 1999 at 18:53:40 -0600, jahanur wrote:
> >>> Hi folks,
> >>>
> >>> I need some help.
> >>>
> >>> I was running my ntpdate as follows:
> >>>
> >>> #sync our time using ntpdate ... I need to add more servers
> >>> 0	0-23/6	*	*	*	root	/usr/sbin/ntpdate
> >>> www.mit.edu ftp.cdrom.com >/dev/nulll
> >>
> >> You need to put all this on one line.  You should also change the name
> >> to /dev/null or you will end up with an additional file /dev/nulll.
> >> And you probably want to use [x]ntpd, not ntpdate.
> >>
> >>> It was working fine, but now its giving me error like this:
> >>> "No suitable server is found"
> >>>
> >>> So could somebody tell me what will be suitabel server to check sync
> >>> ntpdate.
> >>
> >> Check http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/servers.html.
> >
> > One more question.
> > I have got the xntpd running but wanted to know what is ntp.drift file do.
> > or what should I put in there.
> 
> It's in the xntpd man page:
> 
>      driftfile filename
>              This command specifies the name of the file used to record the
>              frequency offset of the local clock oscillator. If the file ex-
>              ists, it is read at startup in order to set the initial frequency
>              offset and then updated once per hour with the current offset
>              computed by the daemon. If the file does not exist or this com-
>              mand is not given, the initial frequency offset is assumed zero.
>              In this case, it may take some hours for the frequency to stabi-
>              lize and the residual timing errors to subside. The file contains
>              a single floating point value equal to the offset in parts-per-
>              million (ppm). Note that the file is updated by first writing the
>              current drift value into a temporary file and then using re-
>              name(2) to replace the old version. This implies that xntpd must
>              have write permission for the directory the drift file is located
>              in, and that file system links, symbolic or otherwise, should
>              probably be avoided.
> 
> The last sentence shows, of course, that the writer doesn't really
> understand what a link is.  Symbolic links may be a bad idea, but
> "hard links" are the only way to have files at all.
> 
> Greg
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