From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 5 14:26:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta1.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta1.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B842914E28; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:26:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@tourneyland.com) Received: from abc (adsl-216-62-177-1.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) by mta1.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with SMTP id <0FHL00A90VIUR5@mta1.rcsntx.swbell.net>; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:25:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 16:24:26 -0500 From: chris@tourneyland.com Subject: What's named.root? X-Sender: pop992333@mail.9netave.net To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <3.0.6.32.19990905162426.007e63e0@mail.9netave.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm exploring using my BSD machine as a name server (a skill I'm finding extremely unpleasant to nurture), and in some newsgroup postings I came across several mentions of a a file called /etc/namedb/named.boot. I looked for such a file, and discovered I don't have one. However, I do have a /etc/namedb/named.root (as well as a /etc/namedb/named.conf). I'm curious - What are these for? Thanks, Chris ---------------------------------------------------- Reach me by ICQ. My ICQ# is 19449154 or, * Page me online through my Personal Communication Center: http://wwp.icq.com/19449154 (go there and try it!) or, * Send me E-mail Express directly to my computer screen 19449154@pager.icq.com * You may visit my Personal ICQ Homepage: http://members.icq.com/19449154 Download ICQ at http://www.icq.com/download/ For adding similar signatures to your e-mail go to: http://www.icq.com/email/emailsig.html ---------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 5 14:35:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D302E150A5; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:35:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@wintelcom.net) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA09215; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 07:53:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@wintelcom.net) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:53:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Alfred Perlstein To: chris@tourneyland.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What's named.root? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990905162426.007e63e0@mail.9netave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 5 Sep 1999 chris@tourneyland.com wrote: > I'm exploring using my BSD machine as a name server (a skill I'm finding > extremely unpleasant to nurture), and in some newsgroup postings I came > across several mentions of a a file called /etc/namedb/named.boot. I looked > for such a file, and discovered I don't have one. However, I do have a > /etc/namedb/named.root (as well as a /etc/namedb/named.conf). named.conf is akin to named.boot, it's the primary config file used by named. named.root contains the addresses of the root name servers so your DNS server can lookup domains. from the NAMED(8) manpage: /etc/namedb/named.conf default name server configu- ration file /var/run/named.pid (_PATH_PIDFILE) the process id /var/tmp/named_dump.db (_PATH_DUMPFILE) dump of the name server database /var/tmp/named.run (file: _PATH_DEBUG) debug output /var/tmp/named.stats (file: _PATH_STATS) nameserver statistics data you may want to pick up the ORA book about DNS. and please don't crosspost, thanks. -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 5 16:39:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9EB31532F; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:39:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from lithium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.0.3] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.032 #1) id 11NkQr-0004Nn-00; Sun, 05 Sep 1999 23:06:41 +0100 Received: (from ben) by lithium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.032 #1) id 11NkQo-0003VZ-00; Sun, 05 Sep 1999 23:06:39 +0100 Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:06:38 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: chris@tourneyland.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's named.root? Message-ID: <19990905230638.A13099@lithium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <3.0.6.32.19990905162426.007e63e0@mail.9netave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990905162426.007e63e0@mail.9netave.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org chris@tourneyland.com wrote: > I'm exploring using my BSD machine as a name server (a skill I'm finding > extremely unpleasant to nurture), and in some newsgroup postings I came > across several mentions of a a file called /etc/namedb/named.boot. I looked > for such a file, and discovered I don't have one. However, I do have a > /etc/namedb/named.root (as well as a /etc/namedb/named.conf). named.boot: configuaration file for BIND 4. obsolete now, FreeBSD comes with BIND 8, which uses named.conf instead. named.root: list of root nameservers. named.conf: configuration file for named (duh!). -- Ben Smithurst | PGP: 0x99392F7D ben@scientia.demon.co.uk | key available from keyservers and | ben+pgp@scientia.demon.co.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 5 16:44:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D4B14DF6; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:44:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id QAA36734; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:42:41 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199909052342.QAA36734@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: chris@tourneyland.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What's named.root? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990905162426.007e63e0@mail.9netave.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 16:24:26 -0500 >From: chris@tourneyland.com >I'm exploring using my BSD machine as a name server (a skill I'm finding >extremely unpleasant to nurture), and in some newsgroup postings I came >across several mentions of a a file called /etc/namedb/named.boot. I looked >for such a file, and discovered I don't have one. However, I do have a >/etc/namedb/named.root (as well as a /etc/namedb/named.conf). >I'm curious - What are these for? Sorry you're finding it so unpleasant; that's not the intent, from what I've gathered. The presence of "named.conf" is an indicator that the version of the name server software that is installed on your machine (BIND) is 8 (or beyond); "named.boot" is a file with similar function (but quite different syntax) that was used to define the configuration of BIND version 4 (and prior, I believe). named.root is not a name that has a definite purpose, though files with such names have often been used for identifying the root nameservers that your name server should use. It is thus also referred to as a "hints" file. I recommend the 3rd ed. _DNS and BIND_, by Albitz & Liu, O'Reilly & Assoc.; ISBN 15659251221 Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 q !}xhdrs To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 5 17:12:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ogopogo.flash.net (ogopogo.flash.net [209.30.6.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12ED514BDA for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 17:12:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmlchief@flash.net) Received: from flash.net (p179.amax14.dialup.hou1.flash.net [209.30.67.179]) by ogopogo.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14089 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:11:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37D307D9.6E875D6B@flash.net> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 19:16:25 -0500 From: jm lammons Reply-To: jmlchief@flash.net X-Sender: "jm lammons" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-FLASHNET (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: difference between freebsd & linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Since I am a novice, with minimal UNIX experience, what is the difference between linux and freeBSD? Also, I noticed that certain compilers such as C++ are included in the freeBSD CD. Will this allow me to write programs which will run under windows 98/NT? Thank you for your help. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 5 20:28:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from charlie.cns.iit.edu (charlie.cns.iit.edu [216.47.143.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D63815332 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:28:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from maneben@charlie.cns.iit.edu) Received: from localhost (maneben@localhost) by charlie.cns.iit.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id WAA24274; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 22:26:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 22:26:43 -0500 (CDT) From: "Benjamin M. Manes" To: jm lammons Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: difference between freebsd & linux Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Since I am a novice, with minimal UNIX experience, what is the difference between linux and freeBSD? wow, now that's a *big* question. There's many, many differences. Distribution: - Linux is a kernel and libraries (GNU's). Alone, it is not a bootable OS, and relies on others to (hopefully) build a complete and secure distrubution. This creates comercial activities, incompatablities, further security issues, and a mixed set of what applications are availalbe. - *BSDs are a full OS, as the organizations builds the system from the kernel and onword. Both use the same files at times, such as Xfree86, but one group extremely carefully packages the system, ensures security, compatability, etc. An added bonus are the branches (current, stable, and release), making it very easy to upgrade the system. Goals: - Linux's goal is to be the UNIX for everyone. It tries to do everything one might want or need. This is also what Windows tried to do. Both can be viewed as good systems in general, but at each individual task their quality varies. - Each BSD has a different goal. FreeBSD's origional goal was to be the best UNIX-based x86 server possible. Performance, stability, and security are important. This is slowly branching out to other platforms, but the goal is the same. NetBSD's goal is for a quality UNIX on every platform. Most platforms you may come accross, from Sun Sparcs to old HP Apollos are being developed on. OpenBSD's goal is security. Since it split from NetBSD, many platforms are supported. Its considered the most secure operating system available, and is used within various government agencies. The project's HQs resides in Canada to offer stronger encryption (US encryption export law) and it is claimed no bug that would allow remote access has been discovered for the past 2 1/2 years. Also, cross-polination is common in the BSD comunity. NetBSD's USB support (I believe the first of any UNIX) was ported to the other platforms, as are security fixes from OpenBSD, etc. Applications: - Linux's pool is far larger then any other UNIX and UNIX-like OS available. Since most UNIX code is extremely portable, this is not surprising. Linux also has a larger general user base, so its pool will grow more rapidly. However, many users continue to complain about how extremely difficult it is to install programs on Linux systems. - All of the BSDs can run Linux programs as-is, with FreeBSD probably putting the biggest effort at this (helps to be devoted to one platform). This isn't quite emulation as it goes through the binary, so performance is generally slightly near or higher then Linux's at running Linux-native applications. FreeBSD maintains a vaste ports collection so adding or removing applications is a simple job. Unsure about the state of how large or how easy installation is on other BSDs. I'm sure cross-polination makes it similar. License: - Linux uses the GNU Public License (GPL) which has plusses and minusses. The important added bonus is that it ensures that code is always Open Source and available to anyone who asks. However, this is restrictive and locks the code, as once more then one person contributes it is almost impossible to change the license. It also acts like a virus, as it will "infect" any code that is is built into, or that it is imbedded from. The idea is it takes the rights from the individual to help the Open Source community. Thus, calling it free forces a different definition. - The BSD License is entirely free, sometimes with only one string attached. That string is the advertisement clause, which is may or may not exist depending on the author's desire. This means not only does BSD code help the Open Source community, it also helps the entire community, as others can imbed or improve the code and sell their work. This increases pollination, as anyone is free to use the code. Micfrosoft, for instance, uses the BSD network stack for Windows 95 and higher, for instance. Communities: Your millage may vary. Ask someone whose not afraid of potential flame-fests on lists, or to give opinions via personal mail. I personally prefer BSD's. Performance: Of course, varies on who the OS is geared towards. Linux is considerd better as a personal desktop system for x86, while many say FreeBSD is far superior then Linux as a server. Various reasons. That's all I can think of offhand. There's the whole heritage thing, but whether that is important depends on the person, so I left it out. Thanks for giving me something to do to pass the time. :) Oh, and for programming in C/C++, it varies. The language is extremely portable, so how much dependancy is added is the considerable factor. If any, very little editing is required to port an application in most circomstances. (that assumes you are not working with the X Windows System, etc). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 5 21: 1: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CADDD1547B for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:00:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA50826 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:00:06 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:00:04 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: How to do it right Message-ID: <19990906140001.G23466@welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you see someone asking for FreeBSD support here and you want to answer, please go right ahead, but you know that it has to go to freebsd-questions instead. When you change the headers to send to the correct list, please remove freebsd-newbies (but still cc: to the person who was asking, of course). Cross-posting is generally not allowed on FreeBSD lists, and freebsd-newbies is for learning things like "don't cross-post", hence the reminder. For people who have recently arrived from the Linux world, it might be confusing at first. While the linux-newbies list is open slather for easy questions and answers, the freebsd-newbies list is not for support questions at all. This difference might seem strange, but it is important, so I'll throw in my viewpoint. Traditionally Linux users were more concerned with helping friends on crash boxes at home, while FreeBSD users were more concerned with making production servers run reliably. To a large extent that is still the case. A trainee working at Yahoo! or cdrom.com would be a FreeBSD newbie, for example, but couldn't afford to risk learning from other newbies' guesses. Someone learning Linux at home or school might learn a lot by screwing the system a few times, but we don't condone that sort of thing here because so many of our newbies are people with serious work to do. They just happen to be new to FreeBSD. All freebsd help questions and answers, even the smallest, go to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org. (That information is in the Handbook, was sent to you personally when you subscribed, is reposted here weekly, and is currently being reformatted as a series of video clips with exotic dancers). If people keep answering general support questions here we might as well combine the two lists, ie kill free-newbies, because there won't be any difference. It is FreeBSD.org mailing list policy to avoid overlap between lists. Freebsd-questions will give you the best and most reliable support you could ask for. Within the FreeBSD community, quality of help is important. We don't want to risk anyone being given only the wrong information, so the best people watch over freebsd-questions and no potentially inferior list is allowed to duplicate that effort. But if you'd still rather have your questions answered by other newbies (and take the consequences), you can have that too. That service is not provided from within the FreeBSD Project but there is an external list where newbies can tell each other what they think they know, and help each other learn more. If that suits you, go take a look. Send a blank message to freebsd-tips-subscribe@egroups.com to subscribe to that list, where "no tip is too small". It's a totally separate list, not part of FreeBSD.org, but started by some newbies who were able to use this list to plan another activity. Again, one of the major roles of the freebsd-newbies list is to give you a casual chatty newbies-only kinda place to learn how to use the other FreeBSD lists and resources properly while getting to know each other. If after a year's trial that learning still isn't happening, we've failed. If newbies' participation here _causes_ people to flaunt the overall list rules (see handbook), then the newbies list certainly cannot be justified. Of course, occasional errors are inevitable, and errors are explicitly allowed on this list, as long as learning follows. Since most of the ones repeatedly making mistakes are those who do know better, there is no good reason why this should be getting out of hand now. You can ask where to find documentation, which list to post to, how to (un)subscribe, what is the best way to start learning something, or engage in any kind of general social chat, but please don't ask installation or support questions here. You know where to go. And even more importantly, don't answer them here. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 6 11:14:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6ADD14CA5 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:14:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Smc659@aol.com) Received: from Smc659@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id yPZDa14800 (4333); Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:13:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Smc659@aol.com Message-ID: <5241cac6.25055e59@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:13:45 EDT Subject: Re: difference between freebsd & linux To: jmlchief@flash.net Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jmlchief, No these compilers are meant for unix only, specificly those OS's that are using ELF binaries. Windows uses PE(32-bt)/NE(16-bit) binaries. But Cygnus.com is making a GCC compiler for Win32 and has even listed some applications that have been ported from UNIX. If you want to develope for Windows, my suggestion is go to www.borland.com and look at delphi or www.microsoft.com and look for Visual Basic. Cheers, Sam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 6 11:24:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from lexicon.ins.com (ns1.ins.com [199.0.193.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB77C159E9 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:24:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pepin_j@ins.com) Received: from pepinj (exodus.ins.com [199.0.193.215]) by lexicon.ins.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA10927 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Joe Pepin" To: Subject: Where to find comprehensive SSH and STABLE info? Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:11:03 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, everyone. I have fallen head over heels for FreeBSD, and would like to make my new home server very secure so that I can get a 24x7 fast connection (which has been ordered, whoo-hoo) to my home and remotely use my home network securely from my roving laptop (which I am building FreeBSD w/ PAO on today to replace Red Hat Linux, FreeBSD replaced Debian on my home server, and I have worked with Digital Unix, and Solaris, and SCO). QUESTION 1: I am looking to get ssh (or ssh2) fully implemented on my new FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE (from cds) machine. (I have only a very slow network connection (28.8) at the moment so I download as little as possible.) I have grabbed the distfiles for the ssh, ssh2 and rsaref ports. I understand there are lots of technical, and legal issues regarding this software. I would like to legally get this stuff working in as hardened a mode as possible, with all the bells and whistles. Where can I go to find out everything, in a relatively clear format? I have the ssh FAQ, but it is a FAQ, I am looking for something along the lines of a book maybe, or a book-like-substance. If I need to compile ssh against another library, I am willing to learn how to do that under FreeBSD, but I need to know for sure that that is what I need to do (and would love to also be pointed at how to go about that, my programming expertise is not C, I'm a scripter). I would like to use as much free software as possible, but am not averse to purchasing a product (or a license, or whatever) if I can afford it and it will fit my needs, and I can trust that the NSA doesn't have a built in backdoor ;). QUESTION 2: Where can I go to find out exactly what I need to do to upgrade 3.2-RELEASE to 3.2-STABLE? I would like very much to use the RAID-5 vinum, and would like to start learning how to track. The problem is, my only network access is not only slow, but from a win modem, so I will need to grab whatever I need without CVS, right? If that kind of thing is covered somewhere, that's what I'm looking for. I greatly appreciate any help you can give me. I have already found this to be a helpful and respectful community, yet another good reason for my switch. TIA Joe Pepin ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= Joe Pepin Network Systems Engineer International Network Services "The knowledge behind the network." http://www.ins.com/ The above views do not necessarily reflect those of my employer, but they probably should. ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 6 14:18:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop06.iname.net (pop06.iname.net [165.251.8.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CABA814DA1 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:18:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from npratt@mail.com) Received: from mail.com (ppp198-102.ecom.net [207.138.198.102]) by pop06.iname.net (8.9.1/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA21494; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 16:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37D423A9.5BD8A5EE@mail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 13:27:21 -0700 From: Noah Pratt Organization: AlphaBit Computer Systems & Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Smc659@aol.com Cc: jmlchief@flash.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: difference between freebsd & linux References: <5241cac6.25055e59@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The Cygnus system is actually quite interesting. They've added an emulation layer to Windows, so that the Gnu Unix tools find the "unix" environment they expect. It allows you to run the bash shell and the Gnu tools from within Windows itself, and compile to a Windows target. See http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Towers/6162/gcc.html for a good collection of information and links on Gnu development in Windows. -Noah Smc659@aol.com wrote: > > Jmlchief, > > No these compilers are meant for unix only, specificly those OS's that are > using ELF binaries. Windows uses PE(32-bt)/NE(16-bit) binaries. But > Cygnus.com is making a GCC compiler for Win32 and has even listed some > applications that have been ported from UNIX. If you want to develope for > Windows, my suggestion is go to www.borland.com and look at delphi or > www.microsoft.com and look for Visual Basic. > > Cheers, > Sam > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 7 0: 8:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web123.yahoomail.com (web123.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.191]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 274A014FEA for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:08:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from osc20@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19990907070845.17602.rocketmail@web123.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.249.220.201] by web123.yahoomail.com; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 00:08:45 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:08:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Oscar Urquidy Subject: Re: difference between freebsd & linux To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --- "Benjamin M. Manes" wrote: ...... > Linux is > considerd better as a personal desktop system for > x86, while many say > FreeBSD is far superior then Linux as a server. > Various reasons. > ...... Hi. I'm a begginer to FreeBSD and Unix (sounds like a tutorial) and i've used Windows for a while. For school reasons i started looking for FreeBSD and Unix information. I already heard of Linux as a Unix for PC. After looking around the FreeBSD website, i was conviced enough to try it (hope i'm not a victim of a kind of marketing :] ) , so i read a lot and downloaded a lot too. By now, i have the FreeBSD installed on a 390 Mb partition, and still have to configure the Kernel, and i am dealing with a "not inodes left" or something like that; but i have made it with the handbook and faq files, and i hope i can make it to the X11 with a desktop only by consulting the existing information without asking nothing to the questions-list (of course i'm planing to reinstall all in a bigger partition, hey, i'm learning). I must say to the Documentation project team that they have made a very very good job and i hope i can help the project in the future. What i found too, is that most of the people using FreeBSD, are network administrators, webmasters, and things realted to use the FreeBSD as a server, on serius jobs. So what about FreeBSD workstation? By now i'm installing FreeBSD on my home pc, and obviously planing to use it as "home pc", and i don't doubt about the capabilities of FreeBSD as a server, but i would really like to hear an opinion about FreeBSD as standalone system. I already browsed the package collection but haven't installed nothing yet (i'll get there soon). I saw some CAD software, lots of games!, and a lot of another stuff. At least i saw netscape so later i will post from FreeBSD. So i would like to now if there is anybody there happy with his (or her) FreeBSD workstation. Greetings Oscar Urquidy Electronics Eng. student and musician. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 7 0:43: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailo.vtcif.telstra.com.au (mailo.vtcif.telstra.com.au [202.12.144.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA65E14D51 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:42:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DLe@vcomcss1.telstra.com.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mailo.vtcif.telstra.com.au (8.8.2/8.6.9) id RAA09381 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:42:48 +1000 (EST) Received: from maili.vtcif.telstra.com.au(202.12.142.17) via SMTP by mailo.vtcif.telstra.com.au, id smtpdrelJ8_; Tue Sep 7 17:42:23 1999 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by maili.vtcif.telstra.com.au (8.8.2/8.6.9) id RAA25417 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:42:22 +1000 (EST) Received: from mail.cdn.telstra.com.au(144.135.138.138) via SMTP by maili.vtcif.telstra.com.au, id smtpdpD6Sw_; Tue Sep 7 17:42:08 1999 Received: from ntmsg0011.corpmail.telstra.com.au (ntmsg0011.corpmail.telstra.com.au [192.74.168.81]) by mail.cdn.telstra.com.au (8.8.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA05952 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:42:07 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199909070742.RAA05952@mail.cdn.telstra.com.au> Received: by ntmsg0011.corpmail.telstra.com.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:41:07 +1000 From: "Le, Dat" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Hardware support for Audio Excel PCI 3D Sound Card CMI8338 Chipse t ??? Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:41:26 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01BEF904.57214098" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01BEF904.57214098 Content-Type: text/plain Does anybody know how I can get this sound card to work ? I have got this card to work in Linux 6.0 (with kernel 2.2-15) by compiling the source code at the www.cmedia.com.tw (cmpci-1_1_tar.gz). 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I have no problems to run linux midi2cs and csound under FreeBSD and also linux l3enc, although I havent yet figured out how to direct csound to /dev/audio (instead of writing a wav file). But there seems to be no working wav editor. DAP looks nice, but is incredible slow, mxv gives the message: "libIV.so.4 not found". IMHO making "music" is much easier on Wintels. Anyway, mpg123 and tosha are great !! Heiko On Tue, 7 Sep 1999, Oscar Urquidy wrote: > > Linux is > > considerd better as a personal desktop system To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 7 3:46:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from guppy.pond.net (guppy.pond.net [205.240.25.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF72A14EBF for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 03:46:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmp@aracnet.com) Received: from aracnet.com (snapuser2-89.pacificcrest.net [216.36.34.89]) by guppy.pond.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10764; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 03:43:57 -0700 (PDT) From: dmp@aracnet.com Message-ID: <37D4ECFC.EAC8D91@aracnet.com> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 03:46:20 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Oscar Urquidy Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: difference between freebsd & linux References: <19990907070845.17602.rocketmail@web123.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Oscar Urquidy wrote: > What i found too, is that most of the people using FreeBSD, are network > administrators, webmasters, and things realted to use the FreeBSD as a > server, on serius jobs. So what about FreeBSD workstation? It seems that FreeBSD lags behind Linux when it comes to supporting the newest PC workstation hardware, but only by a little, and that's changing for our benefit, I believe. Thanks to our wonderful Linux "emulation," we can run almost any Linux program, including all those nice multimedia apps, like l3enc and midi2cs that Heiko mentioned. You'd have to ask someone more knowledgable than I if you want to know the limitations of the Linux emu, though. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 7 11:19:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nautilus.shore.net (nautilus.shore.net [207.244.124.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C9314BCC for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:19:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rothenberg@automationonline.com) Received: from shore.shore.net [192.233.85.136] by nautilus.shore.net with esmtp (Exim) id 11OPop-0007lk-00; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:18:11 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by shore.shore.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id OAA21080; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from baffle. automationonline.com by slider.automationonline.com via SMTP (911016.SGI/911001.SGI) for shore!FreeBSD.ORG!freebsd-newbies id AA16159; Tue, 7 Sep 99 14:23:23 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990907141928.010f27c8@slider> X-Sender: rothenberg@slider X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 14:19:28 -0400 To: dmp@aracnet.com From: Michael Rothenberg Subject: Re: HW requirements Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <37D048E7.E67956F2@aracnet.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 03:17 PM 9/3/99 -0700, dmp@aracnet.com wrote: >Yes, for a normal workstation. But Michael's building a gateway. >NAT, xntpd, ipfw/ipfilter, and DNS don't need much. The only >hardware capacity issue you really have to concern yourself with is >having sufficient network hardware and processing power to handle a >saturated internet link. Other than that, a few steps to fix >potential security problems and DoS vulnerabilities and you're good >to go. > Now what kind of DoS (Not MS DOS right *cringe*) vulnerabilities would those be? Potential security problems? My friends linux box was over run by someone (apparently) from israel and while no apparent damage was done I'd like to avoid any occcurances of that on my machine. They used a buffer over run attack he said (not really sure what that is just yet). I figure the only services I will have running will be the minimum for the gateway and I think also a firewall as I am a paranoid schitzo *grin* Though if a win 95 machine on the subnet wants to FTP a file does that mean I have to be running FTP services on the gateway BSD box? Or does it just happily transfer the packets along? Though, would it be bad form to also put say.. apache on the same machine? I think I might have enough parts for 2 boxes if I spend a little money for the extra NIC. All the NICs will be 3com with cat5 wire to a 3com 4 port hub. I bought the nifty 'home office' package };) and I figured that there would be good drivers for 3com. Now it will just be my self and my fiance on the sub net. I dont think we could saturate the link except for the occational mass web page updating she or I might do. After that its just going to be surfing. Thanks for your comments and help in advance! -Michael the network inept. But I'm learning fast! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 7 23:47:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web109.yahoomail.com (web109.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A9EBA15AD8 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:47:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from osc20@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19990908064814.1029.rocketmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Received: from [148.233.245.240] by web109.yahoomail.com; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 23:48:14 PDT Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:48:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Oscar Urquidy Subject: Re: difference between freebsd & linux To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As a cover band: for editing and printing lyrics, also making an mp3 archive of all the songs we play. The interesting part is to use the pc to play midi on a KORG X5D synth our keybordist has. I have my own future projects, but i need to learn a lot first. --- Heiko Recktenwald wrote: > Hi, as a musician, how do you use computers ? > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 8 2: 5:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3CDD15A97 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 02:05:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-38-warw.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.38]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA21148 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:08:59 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <002401bef974$cd53db20$262137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" To: References: <19990907070845.17602.rocketmail@web123.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: difference between freebsd & linux Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:05:47 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org G'day Oscar, I am currently using BSD as a standalone workstation, with no problems at all. Now that I have finally managed to snaffle an external modem, I'm about to set it up as my home network gateway. As for room, I started out with a 1GB partition, stretched it to 2, then just blew Windows right off the machine, and now have 4.3 GB, all for FreeBSD! If it wasn't for the necessity for work-related stuff, I wouldn't have a Windows machine in the house!! I have a mate with Linux on his machine, and it really is interesting to switch between them, just to check out the differences (and similarities). We're hoping to have the local Users Group up and running in the next few weeks, for all flavours of alternate OS's. Regards Igor ----- Original Message ----- From: Oscar Urquidy To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 5:08 PM Subject: Re: difference between freebsd & linux > > > --- "Benjamin M. Manes" wrote: > > ...... > > Linux is > > considerd better as a personal desktop system for > > x86, while many say > > FreeBSD is far superior then Linux as a server. > > Various reasons. > > ...... > > > Hi. > I'm a begginer to FreeBSD and Unix (sounds like a tutorial) and i've > used Windows for a while. For school reasons i started looking for > FreeBSD and Unix information. I already heard of Linux as a Unix for > PC. > > After looking around the FreeBSD website, i was conviced enough to try > it (hope i'm not a victim of a kind of marketing :] ) , so i read a > lot and downloaded a lot too. By now, i have the FreeBSD installed on a > 390 Mb partition, and still have to configure the Kernel, and i am > dealing with a "not inodes left" or something like that; but i have > made it with the handbook and faq files, and i hope i can make it to > the X11 with a desktop only by consulting the existing information > without asking nothing to the questions-list (of course i'm planing to > reinstall all in a bigger partition, hey, i'm learning). I must say to > the Documentation project team that they have made a very very good job > and i hope i can help the project in the future. > > What i found too, is that most of the people using FreeBSD, are network > administrators, webmasters, and things realted to use the FreeBSD as a > server, on serius jobs. So what about FreeBSD workstation? > > By now i'm installing FreeBSD on my home pc, and obviously planing to > use it as "home pc", and i don't doubt about the capabilities of > FreeBSD as a server, but i would really like to hear an opinion about > FreeBSD as standalone system. I already browsed the package collection > but haven't installed nothing yet (i'll get there soon). I saw some CAD > software, lots of games!, and a lot of another stuff. At least i saw > netscape so later i will post from FreeBSD. > > So i would like to now if there is anybody there happy with his (or > her) FreeBSD workstation. > > Greetings > Oscar Urquidy > Electronics Eng. student and musician. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 8 7:33: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7B015A50 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:33:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id HAA49084; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:32:18 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199909081432.HAA49084@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, osc20@yahoo.com Subject: Re: difference between freebsd & linux In-Reply-To: <19990907070845.17602.rocketmail@web123.yahoomail.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:08:45 -0700 (PDT) >From: Oscar Urquidy >What i found too, is that most of the people using FreeBSD, are network >administrators, webmasters, and things realted to use the FreeBSD as a >server, on serius jobs. So what about FreeBSD workstation? Well, the concepts aren't quite completely at odds. :-) Many of the folks I support here at Whistle use FreeBSD machines on desktops; some of us use nothing else on our (work) desktops. At home, I recently had occasion to buy PC hardware for the first time in my life (and I've been working with UNIX since '86, and computers since '69), to build a firewall for the DSL connection, and a second system to serve as my wife's desktop (replacing the Sun 3/60 that she had been using). She says she likes it well enough, but has recently asked to be able to take a break (from jam-making -- end of summer over here) by playing a game on the desktop that I use (at home) -- a Sun SPARCstation 5/110, running Solaris 2.6. I did ask her why she didn't want to use her own machine, and she said something about liking the room where my desk is. (Not sure I want to pursue that much further than I did, which was to offer to swap rooms; the one I use is smaller. The offer was declined.) Naturally, nearly all the applications that run on either machine can be xhosted to any other. (This even includes the 3/60; it's soon to be retired, but it still plays an active, though diminishing, role in the home net.) So I can build and run games on the FreeBSD box while seated at my SS5, for example. This is by design and intent. I should mention that one of the reasons I chose FreeBSD for my wife's desktop was that she had been using tvtwm as a window manager on the 3/60; since I use tvtwm here at work on my FreeBSD box, I knew I could get it to work OK for her, so the transition would be less painful. (Yes, I have heard that there are fancier/more fetureful/wierder window managers out there. She hates PCs and despises Macs; I see little to be gained by emulating such an environment for her.) >By now i'm installing FreeBSD on my home pc, and obviously planing to >use it as "home pc", and i don't doubt about the capabilities of >FreeBSD as a server, but i would really like to hear an opinion about >FreeBSD as standalone system. I already browsed the package collection >but haven't installed nothing yet (i'll get there soon). I saw some CAD >software, lots of games!, and a lot of another stuff. At least i saw >netscape so later i will post from FreeBSD. Well, by having the (limited) variety of systems I do at home, I get a fair degree of flexibility. I do some of that here at work, too: we use some (commercial) applications that run on SPARC/Solaris environments, so we have a couple of those machines locked up down in the server room... but we can run programs on those machines, while interacting with them from our (FreeBSD) desktops. (This type of flexibility was designed into the X Window System, and would seem to be adequate reason in its own right that the X folks received the "Keeper of the Flame" award at June's USENIX in Monterey. I think it was well-deserved.) >So i would like to now if there is anybody there happy with his (or >her) FreeBSD workstation. Basically, yes. For me, the PC hardware is very strange, but running an OS with a somewhat familiar "feel" helps alleviate that. >Do You Yahoo!? Uh, no; I doubt that I'd be seriously tempted to do so. :-} Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 8 10:59:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu (exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB5B15062 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:59:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hodeleri@seattleu.edu) Received: from seattleu.edu (ppp16.pm2a.wport.com [206.129.99.65]) by exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id RKP921BB; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:57:47 -0700 Message-ID: <37D6A417.17C91AC1@seattleu.edu> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 10:59:52 -0700 From: Eric Hodel Organization: Dis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Oscar Urquidy Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: difference between freebsd & linux References: <19990907070845.17602.rocketmail@web123.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Oscar Urquidy wrote: > What i found too, is that most of the people using FreeBSD, are network > administrators, webmasters, and things realted to use the FreeBSD as a > server, on serius jobs. So what about FreeBSD workstation? I'm running: A FreeBSD Server for MP3/QuakeWorld/Quake2/Half-Life - all on a P150 I haven't had it die yet. (Quake2 died, but that we were really stressing it out) Two FreeBSD workstations - one is a Dell Latitude LM for email (so far), the other is a home-built PII-350 that I run -current on (I really shouldn't, but at the time my SCSI didn't work in the -release versions) and I've run QuakeWorld, Q2, and others. Next time I update I'll get sound for games > By now i'm installing FreeBSD on my home pc, and obviously planing to > use it as "home pc", and i don't doubt about the capabilities of > FreeBSD as a server, but i would really like to hear an opinion about > FreeBSD as standalone system. I already browsed the package collection > but haven't installed nothing yet (i'll get there soon). I saw some CAD > software, lots of games!, and a lot of another stuff. At least i saw > netscape so later i will post from FreeBSD. Go for it. I've got netscape working (waiting for Mozilla) and I love it. > So i would like to now if there is anybody there happy with his (or > her) FreeBSD workstation. Very. -- Eric Hodel - hodeleri@seattleu.edu | Customers will come to our Aspiring programmer & FPS minor demi-god. | 'home page' in unbelievable ------------------------------------------/ numbers and find out every- thing we want them to know. --Bill Gates To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 8 18:28:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E1C157D0 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:28:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sariel@sullenangel.com) Received: from seraphim (evrtwa68-019.dsl.gtei.net [209.241.68.19]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12549 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199909081822350610.0004ABC1@toad.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.00.00.14 (3) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 18:22:35 -0700 From: "Stephen Moore" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====_93684015541=_" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=====_93684015541=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" auth 8571136d subscribe freebsd-newbies sariel@sullenangel.com --=====_93684015541=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" auth 8571136d subscribe freebsd-newbies sariel@sullenangel.com --=====_93684015541=_-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 8 21:32:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5321014BDC for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:32:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from max.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p32.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.32]) by f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA44448; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:31:29 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by max.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA01530; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:09:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:09:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@max.alleswirdgelber To: dmp@aracnet.com Cc: Oscar Urquidy , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: difference between freebsd & linux In-Reply-To: <37D4ECFC.EAC8D91@aracnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, > Thanks to our wonderful Linux "emulation," we can run almost any > Linux program, including all those nice multimedia apps, like l3enc Let me add, that it was quite nice for a newbie to find the very usefull Registration numbers for this leading mp3 tool in 5 minutes with altavista somewhere in the bloody Malayan archipel or somewhere nearby, also the linux binaries (261), I think somewhere in *tw. Heiko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 9 0:34:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from guppy.pond.net (guppy.pond.net [205.240.25.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615AD150BD for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:34:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmp@aracnet.com) Received: from aracnet.com (snapuser2-89.pacificcrest.net [216.36.34.89]) by guppy.pond.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA18214; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:30:27 -0700 (PDT) From: dmp@aracnet.com Message-ID: <37D762BC.322BD487@aracnet.com> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 00:33:16 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Rothenberg Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Firewalls [Was: Re: HW requirements] References: <3.0.3.32.19990907141928.010f27c8@slider> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My apologies for the delay in replying. Michael Rothenberg wrote: > At 03:17 PM 9/3/99 -0700, dmp@aracnet.com wrote: > >Yes, for a normal workstation. But Michael's building a gateway. > >NAT, xntpd, ipfw/ipfilter, and DNS don't need much. The only > >hardware capacity issue you really have to concern yourself with is > >having sufficient network hardware and processing power to handle a > >saturated internet link. Other than that, a few steps to fix > >potential security problems and DoS vulnerabilities and you're good > >to go. > > > > Now what kind of DoS (Not MS DOS right *cringe*) vulnerabilities would > those be? Potential security problems? DoS = Denial of Service. It's an umbrella term for attacks that prevent the normal operation of a service or computer, usually by overloading or crashing the server daemon or operating system of the target. Almost all of the vulnerabilities you'll face are those from people coming at you over the internet. Run only what you absolutely need to run on the firewall. Firewall deny everything. Explicitly allow what you need to let in. There's hundreds of things you can do to tighten security. It all depends on how paranoid you are. :) > Though if a > win 95 machine on the subnet wants to FTP a file does that mean I have to > be running FTP services on the gateway BSD box? Or does it just happily > transfer the packets along? You have to make special considerations for FTP connections because of how they work, but a properly configured gateway will pass the packets without problems. > Though, would it be bad form to also put say.. apache on the same machine? For security purposes, it's not a good idea to run any server daemons on the same firewall box that protects your workstations, but you can do it. > Now it will just be my self and my fiance on the sub net. I dont think we > could saturate the link except for the occational mass web page updating > she or I might do. After that its just going to be surfing. How fast is your internet link? I think if this thread is to remain listed, it should be moved to -questions, unless Sue has no objections to it remaining here. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 9 0:47:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ot.stpn.soft.net (freebie.opentech.stpn.soft.net [204.143.126.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B0CC9150BD for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 00:47:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pdinesh@opentech.stpn.soft.net) Received: from opentech.stpn.soft.net (admin.opentech.stpn.soft.net [192.168.1.70]) by ot.stpn.soft.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA25541 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:13:29 +0530 Message-ID: <37D76607.B204B539@opentech.stpn.soft.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 13:17:19 +0530 From: Dinesh Pal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbie Subject: ftp not going through Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, We have a FreeBSD box with two NIC. One NIC Connects to my ISP and other is going to internal network. We have been alotted some IP Addresses but we need to use some proxy addresses also. All the proxy addresses systems aer able to access the internet and also send and receive mails but can not do ftp to out side world. We are using apache web server for proxy on port 80. Now, do we have to use some ftp proxy server. Please help me. Thanks Dinesh Pal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 9 5: 4:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4BC2915D04 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 05:03:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mik.thwaite@dial.pipex.com) Received: (qmail 670 invoked from network); 9 Sep 1999 12:02:58 -0000 Received: from userak62.uk.uudial.com (HELO mik) (62.188.134.36) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 1999 12:02:58 -0000 Message-ID: <005a01befafd$dad4c680$010101ac@mik> Reply-To: "Mik Thwaite" From: "Mik Thwaite" Cc: References: <020101bef269$9fa48600$857e03cb@jdy> Subject: Re: ppp setup Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:53:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01BEFAC2.53DDD940" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BEFAC2.53DDD940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep! I know the ppp frustration too! I can get my old 486 machine to = connect to the modem, connect to my ISP but only if I do it all = manually. Once I get this down it's off to work out how to do = e-mail........... =20 I went looking for the file below but couldn't find it. I did find it here http://www.jps.net/fozzyb/FreeBSD.html however. but it you are like me and just want to=20 get the thing working with minimum of hocus pocus / witchcraft / other = arcane=20 involvement ...... go to = ftp://flag.blackenet.net/freebsd/ppp_script.sh and download the setup script file. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BEFAC2.53DDD940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yep! I know the ppp frustration too! I = can get my=20 old 486 machine to connect to the modem, connect to my ISP but only if I = do it=20 all manually. Once I get this down it's off to work out how to do=20 e-mail...........
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0050_01BEFAC2.53DDD940-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 9 5:28:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bbnmg1.cns.hp.com (bbnmg1.net.external.hp.com [192.6.76.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10DF514BE1 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 05:28:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from MICHAEL_HEITMEIER@HP-Germany-om12.om.hp.com) Received: from isoit644.bbn.hp.com (isoit644.bbn.hp.com [15.136.88.78]) by bbnmg1.cns.hp.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.5btis) with ESMTP id OAA16578 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:28:07 +0200 (METDST) From: MICHAEL_HEITMEIER@HP-Germany-om12.om.hp.com Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by isoit644.bbn.hp.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6 TIS Openmail) with SMTP id OAA26051 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:27:37 +0200 (METDST) X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:27:25 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: RE: ppp setup MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="BDY.TXT" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="BDY.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Cool. Why is stuff like this not part of the standard FreeBSD package? I was fighting with ppp too and had to learn a lot of stuff that is really totally irrelevant. It's really sad that just to become not 'too user friendly' (maybe because it smells too much of M$) great helps like these seem to be frowned upon by the gurus. Michael -----Original Message----- From: mik.thwaite@dial.pipex.com [mailto:mik.thwaite@dial.pipex.com] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 9:54 PM Cc: mik.thwaite@dial.pipex.com; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ppp setup Yep! I know the ppp frustration too! I can get my old 486 machine to connect to the modem, connect to my ISP but only if I do it all manually. Once I get this down it's off to work out how to do e-mail........... I went looking for the file below but couldn't find it. I did find it here http://www.jps.net/fozzyb/FreeBSD.html however. but it you are like me and just want to get the thing working with minimum of hocus pocus / witchcraft / other arcane involvement ...... go to ftp://flag.blackenet.net/freebsd/ppp_script.sh and download the setup script file. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 9 8:19:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 531E514C45 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:19:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id IAA54100 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:18:46 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199909091518.IAA54100@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Curmudgeonly rant re: mailing lists and "UNIX vs. Microsoft" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I understand that some folks here in -newbies come from a Microsoft- oriented environment, and that there is, upon occasion, an "attitude" expressed by those of us who identify more with UNIX environments, in which the Microsoft-oriented environments are viewed as inferior, at least for some purposes. Although the below sample may merely be a result of an unfortunate misconfiguration -- which it's certainly possible to accomplish with nearly any type of system, and exceedingly easy to do with a UNIX system -- it is Yet Another in a series of such things that I have encountered over the years. And I believe that it illustrates something that I find rather exasperating. I should point out a little about perspective, here: I (still) consider email to be important -- probably the single most important user-visible application that uses the Net. (I still have a bit of a hard time believing that this Web stuff will ever be more than a "flash in the pan".) Yeah, I'm *that* old. :-) And an important aspect of email is the ability to have and use mailing lists, such as freebsd-newbies. Indeed, back when I ran a (free) public-access UNIX system from home, whose only connection to the outside world was via a couple of dial-up lines for direct login or UUCP, I wanted to run a mailing list. And for a while, I merely used the "aliases" file, but that became unwieldy. So I prowled around, and found some hints and suggestions about how such things ought to behave; then Karl Kleinpaste (then at Ohio State University) provided some sample code (which I butchered to unrecognizability), and I hd a crude but servicable mailing list. (I doubt that many here would have been involved in the topic; it was relating to the joys and issues involved in writing code in C on the IBM s/370-architecture mainframes; I had been working as an MVS systems programmer for a few years by that time.) Nowadays I tend to use majordomo... but the point is that I happen to have a fairly long, in-depth association with email and mailing lists. And I learned quite some time ago that there are some things that Just Are Not Done (at least, in polite company). For example: * Sending administrivia matters to the list. * Blindly setting up bidirectional news<->mailing list gateways. * Failing to have a working "postmaster" mailbox at any site that sends mail. * Sending bounce-o-grams to the list. * Sending bounce-o-grams to the message originator, instead of the list maintainer. What follows is a fairly classic example of that last faux pas, with the added distinction(?) that the individual mailbox that catalyzed the problem has been sufficiently obscured that identifying the individual address could be moderately challenging: were I maintaining the list in question (freebsd-newbies, as it happens), it might be necessary to drop all addresses at the entire site. (Granted, there may only be one, or there may be a small enough number that the correspondence between RFC 822-style addresses and whatever format these folks use can be determined... but running a mailing list is, at best, a thankless job. Making it harder is Not Good.) In fairness, I haven't tried sending a note to postmaster@cwhkt.com, but I have often found that sites that create such messes often fail to have a responsive postmaster. (Sometimes they have a mailbox for that function, but choose to name it something whimsical, such as "admin" or "mailman", rather than the RFC 822-mandated "postmaster". Since few of us possess clairvoyance, this is of little use to a mailing list administrator, or anyone else trying to reach someone at the site in question.) So if anyone is still reading, this is an example of something that is fairly annoying (to me): I had sent a response to freebsd-newbies, and one of the addresses on -newbies apparently gets converted at some gateway to "CWCWAREG/IDDMMM01/INDARTO", but the RFC 822 version of that "address" (if that's what that construct really is) isn't elucidated. And the bounce-o-gram was sent to me, as message originator, as opposed to the mailing list maintainer (whose address would show up on the "envelope-from"). >From IMCEAMS-CWCWAREG_IDDMMM01_POSTMASTER@cwhkt.com Thu Sep 9 05:06:37 1999 >[internal Received: headers elided -- dhw] >Received: (from smap@localhost) > by gatekeeper.whistle.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id FAA08734 > for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 05:04:05 -0700 (PDT) > (envelope-from IMCEAMS-CWCWAREG_IDDMMM01_POSTMASTER@cwhkt.com) >Message-Id: <199909091204.FAA08734@gatekeeper.whistle.com> >Received: from imc01.cwhkt.com(imc01.hkt.com 202.84.162.83) by gatekeeper.whistle.com via smap (V2.0) > id xma008732; Thu, 9 Sep 99 05:03:54 -0700 >Received: by HKGMSX11 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > id ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:07:05 +0800 >From: CWCWAREG/IDDMMM01/POSTMASTER > >To: David Wolfskill >Subject: Mail failure >Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:48:00 +0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > >[002] Mail was received that was addressed to unknown addresses. >Mail item was not delivered to: > CWCWAREG/IDDMMM01/INDARTO > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- >Microsoft Mail v3.0 (MAPI 1.0 Transport) IPM.Microsoft Mail.Note >From: David Wolfskill >To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > osc20@yahoo.com >Subject: Re: difference between freebsd & linux >Date: 1999-09-08 22:32 >Priority: 3 >Message ID: DA5B0223DC65D3119DDF00A0C9E1E018 > > >[body of my message to -newbies elided; you've probably already seen > it. -- dhw] Mind you, this kind of behavior isn't confined to Microsoft -- I also have seen it (and variations on the theme) in cc:Mail, Lotus, VMS, and LISTSERVs. (Speaking of the latter, I get so many brain-dead whines from the LISTSERV at ZDEMAIL.COM about nonexistent mailboxes -- and no response to my messages back to postmaster -- that I can't help but wonder how they function. Oh, well.) But rarely do I find a UNIX site doing this. Of course, with the growing popularity of UNIX[-like] OSs on commodity hardware, this could change.... :-( Hope someone found some of this interesting, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 9 11:48:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from whizkidtech.net (r28.bfm.org [216.127.220.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76CA315198 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:48:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: (from adam@localhost) by whizkidtech.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id NAA00256; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:47:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:47:13 -0500 From: "G. Adam Stanislav" To: Mik Thwaite Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ppp setup Message-ID: <19990909134713.C224@whizkidtech.net> References: <020101bef269$9fa48600$857e03cb@jdy> <005a01befafd$dad4c680$010101ac@mik> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <005a01befafd$dad4c680$010101ac@mik>; from Mik Thwaite on Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:53:35PM -0700 Organization: Whiz Kid Technomagic X-URL: http://www.whizkidtech.net/ X-Operating-System: FreeBSD whizkidtech.net 3.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE X-SG-Player-ID: 0278852114 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:53:35PM -0700, Mik Thwaite wrote: >
I went looking for the file below but couldn't find >it.
>[...] > You couldn't find it because it is blackened, not blackenet. Cheers, Adam -- "Let's eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we may diet" -- Seen on a dining room wall... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 9 12:44:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from www.freegaypix.com (www.freegaypix.com [216.65.3.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D1615C42; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:44:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from webmaster@jmsinternet.com) Received: from jason-s-pc (we-24-30-100-143.we.mediaone.net [24.30.100.143]) by www.freegaypix.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id MAA57555; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:45:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from webmaster@jmsinternet.com) Message-Id: <4.1.19990909123646.00e08aa0@mail.sirius.com> X-Sender: jms@mail.jmsinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 12:42:13 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: JMS Internet Subject: Server Setup Referal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm looking to get a software installation done on a server I have already had built. I did not find anyone on the FreeBSD homepage that seemed to do this work, so I thought I would submit this into the forum in case some of you guys have had some good experiences with a company. The server will be used for webhosting and will handle a large amount of connections, so the company in question should have some experience with Webhosting/ISP server setups... I'm located in central CA, and I would be looking for a place anywhere from up north in the bay area, to down south near Los Angeles. If anyone can provide me with some help, and possibly a website address for a company I would greatly appreciate it. For more info, please e-mail me. Thank You. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 9 16:45:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.digicomsystems.net (ns1.digicomsystems.net [206.148.67.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 886F514C58; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:45:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jramirez@digicomsystems.net) Received: from engineering (engineering.digicomsystems.net [206.148.67.85]) by ns1.digicomsystems.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA10137; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:45:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jramirez@digicomsystems.net) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990909183507.00a704d0@ns1.digicomsystems.net> X-Sender: jramirez@ns1.digicomsystems.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:50:53 -0500 To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org From: "Jeremy L. Ramirez" Subject: Free BSD CD-sets Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'll be quick and to the point. Is there currently an effort to get FreeBSD to users that may not be willing to fork out the $40 (which I feel is a very small price to pay) to try/test it out without having to download it? I know there was (not sure currently) a Linux effort to get CD sets to users. Basically all it did was list those who had CD sets they didn't need/use anymore and those interested in the OS could contact the person offering the CD set (or even installation help) and get it for free. I know that I personally have plenty of previous release sets (1 rev behind release) that I don't use and would be willing to send to some newbie or curious in hopes that they like it and decide to use/support it. I'm sure there are others out there with sets that are collecting dust. Comments anyone? -Jeremy Ramirez To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 9 17:31: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hole.noc.iafrica.com (hole.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.191]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D6DC1524B; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:30:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ccrofton@hole.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from ccrofton (helo=localhost) by hole.noc.iafrica.com with local-smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11PEZH-00077o-00; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:29:32 +0200 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:29:31 +0200 (SAT) From: Charl X-Sender: ccrofton@hole.noc.iafrica.com To: "Jeremy L. Ramirez" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Free BSD CD-sets In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990909183507.00a704d0@ns1.digicomsystems.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Now you say this:)) I just bought the Complete FreeBSD and considering our exchange rate it was scary. If only I had known this previously:)) Well atleast I have the complete set now. On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Jeremy L. Ramirez wrote: > I'll be quick and to the point. Is there currently an effort to get > FreeBSD to users > that may not be willing to fork out the $40 (which I feel is a very small > price to pay) > to try/test it out without having to download it? I know there was (not > sure currently) > a Linux effort to get CD sets to users. > > Basically all it did was list those who had CD sets they didn't need/use > anymore > and those interested in the OS could contact the person offering the CD set > (or even installation help) and get it for free. I know that I > personally have plenty of previous > release sets (1 rev behind release) that I don't use and would be willing > to send to some newbie > or curious in hopes that they like it and decide to use/support it. I'm > sure there are others > out there with sets that are collecting dust. > > Comments anyone? > > -Jeremy Ramirez > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 9 17:37:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu (kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.8.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2294514C0B for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:37:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ba793@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu) Received: (ba793@localhost) by kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.8.6+cwru/CWRU-2.5-bsdi) id UAA13830; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:36:08 -0400 (EDT) (from ba793) Message-Id: <199909100036.UAA13830@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:36:08 -0400 (EDT) From: ba793@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamid Dastkar) To: jramirez@digicomsystems.net Subject: Re: Free BSD CD-sets Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Reply-To: ba793@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamid Dastkar) X-No-Archive: yes Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Reply to message from jramirez@digicomsystems.net of Thu, 09 Sep > > I'll be quick and to the point. Is there currently an effort to get >FreeBSD to users >that may not be willing to fork out the $40 (which I feel is a very small >price to pay) >to try/test it out without having to download it? I know there was (not >sure currently) >a Linux effort to get CD sets to users. > > Basically all it did was list those who had CD sets they didn't need/use >anymore >and those interested in the OS could contact the person offering the CD set > (or even installation help) and get it for free. I know that I >personally have plenty of previous >release sets (1 rev behind release) that I don't use and would be willing >to send to some newbie >or curious in hopes that they like it and decide to use/support it. I'm >sure there are others >out there with sets that are collecting dust. > >Comments anyone? > > -Jeremy Ramirez > > I like your idea and definitely like to get my hand on the latest 3.x to install and then pass it back or pass it on (as the joke goes: no bogartting :-), however need to get the latest PC first :-) As a matter of fact, I like to have Linux on it as well. ciao, hamid To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 9 18: 7:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.thuntek.net (srv1.thuntek.net [206.206.98.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B53815A1B; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:07:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-048.thuntek.net [207.66.52.48]) by srv1.thuntek.net (8.9.1/8.6.12TNT1.0) with ESMTP id TAA11398; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:06:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <37D85924.5B2B280F@thuntek.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:04:36 -0600 From: Donald Wilde Reply-To: dwilde1@thuntek.net Organization: Wilde Media X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charl Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD CD-sets References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For a long time, I advertised on that CD giveaway list. If somebody was in Malaysia or China, I sent them on my dime, probably dropped over a hundred $$$ in air postage. All I asked for was $5 up front for postage from Americans. Many good people got CD's, but I got a lot of flames from a lot of snotnosed little drips here in the US who don't deserve a free pencil, let alone FreeBSD. It's getting to the point that I'm getting embarrassed to be a citizen of this country, it certainly doesn't stand for or represent what I believe in any more. [The FreeBSD Project -- or that portion of it which is American -- excepted completely!] -- Donald Wilde "Linking Minds and Micros" ================= S i l v e r L y n x =================== PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Wilde-Media.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 9 18:15: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hole.noc.iafrica.com (hole.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.191]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A9BD15C76; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:14:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ccrofton@hole.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from ccrofton (helo=localhost) by hole.noc.iafrica.com with local-smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11PFGJ-0000DI-00; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 03:13:59 +0200 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 03:13:59 +0200 (SAT) From: Charl X-Sender: ccrofton@hole.noc.iafrica.com To: Donald Wilde Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD CD-sets In-Reply-To: <37D85924.5B2B280F@thuntek.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org CD giveaway list??? WHAT, WHERE, How is this. I must have missed this somehow. On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Donald Wilde wrote: > For a long time, I advertised on that CD giveaway list. If somebody was > in Malaysia or China, I sent them on my dime, probably dropped over a > hundred $$$ in air postage. All I asked for was $5 up front for postage > from Americans. Many good people got CD's, but I got a lot of flames > from a lot of snotnosed little drips here in the US who don't deserve a > free pencil, let alone FreeBSD. > > It's getting to the point that I'm getting embarrassed to be a citizen > of this country, it certainly doesn't stand for or represent what I > believe in any more. [The FreeBSD Project -- or that portion of it which > is American -- excepted completely!] > -- > Donald Wilde "Linking Minds and Micros" > ================= S i l v e r L y n x =================== > PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 > Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Wilde-Media.com > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 9 18:21:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from enterprise.powerup.com.au (enterprise.powerup.com.au [203.32.8.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EAEE31548A for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:21:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wyldephyre@telebot.net) Received: (qmail 31859 invoked from network); 10 Sep 1999 01:20:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO demuire) (203.147.249.181) by enterprise.powerup.com.au with SMTP; 10 Sep 1999 01:20:21 -0000 Message-ID: <007c01befb2c$5e288840$b5f993cb@demuire> Reply-To: "Haikal Saadh" From: "Haikal Saadh" To: References: <199909100036.UAA13830@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu> Subject: Re: Free BSD CD-sets Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:32:37 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Hamid Dastkar To: Cc: Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 10:36 AM Subject: Re: Free BSD CD-sets > Reply to message from jramirez@digicomsystems.net of Thu, 09 Sep > > > > I'll be quick and to the point. Is there currently an effort to get > >FreeBSD to users > >that may not be willing to fork out the $40 (which I feel is a very small > >price to pay) > >to try/test it out without having to download it? I know there was (not > >sure currently) > >a Linux effort to get CD sets to users. > > > > Basically all it did was list those who had CD sets they didn't need/use > >anymore > >and those interested in the OS could contact the person offering the CD set > > (or even installation help) and get it for free. I know that I > >personally have plenty of previous > >release sets (1 rev behind release) that I don't use and would be willing > >to send to some newbie > >or curious in hopes that they like it and decide to use/support it. I'm > >sure there are others > >out there with sets that are collecting dust. > > > >Comments anyone? > > > > -Jeremy Ramirez > > > > > > I like your idea and definitely like to get my hand on the latest 3.x > to install and then pass it back or pass it on (as the joke goes: > no bogartting :-), however need to get the latest PC first :-) > As a matter of fact, I like to have Linux on it as well. > > ciao, > hamid Hmm..maybe you could attach a small note that says who has previously used this CD to install....that's lend a kinda history to the whole effort I think.. Heh...just leave out the note that says "Burn 5 copies of this CD and pass it on to your friends, or your hard disk will crash". To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 9 19:59:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.thuntek.net (srv1.thuntek.net [206.206.98.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9DE15D0D; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:59:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-018.thuntek.net [207.66.52.18]) by srv1.thuntek.net (8.9.1/8.6.12TNT1.0) with ESMTP id UAA03425; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:57:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <37D872E0.DC31E546@thuntek.net> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 20:54:24 -0600 From: Donald Wilde Reply-To: dwilde1@thuntek.net Organization: Wilde Media X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charl Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD CD-sets References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There's a link to it on one of the freebsd resources pages. I forget the link itself now.... well it isn't on Freebsd.org anymore... a quick check on DOGPILE gives me: http://visar.csustan.edu/, Free UNIX Giveaway List :) -- Donald Wilde "Linking Minds and Micros" ================= S i l v e r L y n x =================== PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Wilde-Media.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 9 23:44:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3314815374; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:44:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.51]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAG59A2; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:44:06 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA71474; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:21:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:21:43 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Donald Wilde Cc: Charl , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD CD-sets Message-ID: <19990910082143.C71369@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <37D85924.5B2B280F@thuntek.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i In-Reply-To: <37D85924.5B2B280F@thuntek.net> Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Donald Wilde (dwilde1@thuntek.net) [990910 04:15]: >It's getting to the point that I'm getting embarrassed to be a citizen >of this country, it certainly doesn't stand for or represent what I >believe in any more. [The FreeBSD Project -- or that portion of it which >is American -- excepted completely!] I think FreeBSD especially those who stay longer using it and participating in the community generates clues by four faster than the average linux user dabbling in buffer overflows. Be glad FreeBSD is worldwide. Heck, I met the most diverse persons by now, some in person, others electronically. The most weird one still remains Jordan, but that's for -chat ;) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best For ever, brother, hail and farewell. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 10 1:37:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A971515149 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:37:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-98-st.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.98]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA27262; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:30:08 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <001b01befb01$9865cca0$622137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" To: "Hamid Dastkar" , Cc: References: <199909100036.UAA13830@kanga.INS.CWRU.Edu> Subject: Re: Free BSD CD-sets Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:26:19 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I agree with the idea whole-heartedly. We are looking at setting up a User Group here (South East Queensland), and a list of people willing to loan out stuff would be very handy. Regards Don Double your drive space - delete Windows! ----- Original Message ----- From: Hamid Dastkar To: Cc: Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 10:36 AM Subject: Re: Free BSD CD-sets > Reply to message from jramirez@digicomsystems.net of Thu, 09 Sep > > > > I'll be quick and to the point. Is there currently an effort to get > >FreeBSD to users > >Comments anyone? > > > > -Jeremy Ramirez > > > > > > I like your idea and definitely like to get my hand on the latest 3.x > to install and then pass it back or pass it on (as the joke goes: > no bogartting :-), however need to get the latest PC first :-) > As a matter of fact, I like to have Linux on it as well. > > ciao, > hamid > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 10 6:29:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE479150E1; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 06:29:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arnout@tomcat.xs4all.nl) Received: from tomcat.xs4all.nl (tomcat.xs4all.nl [194.109.15.187]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10912; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:29:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from arnout@localhost) by tomcat.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA19961; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:33:56 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:33:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Arnout Boer Message-Id: <199909101333.PAA19961@tomcat.xs4all.nl> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: PPP aliasing won't work Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a FreeBSD server and a NT ws from which I wan't to be able to surf on the Internet sometimes... NT seems to be ok but ppp -nat doesn't route anything The strange thing I see is in a show route 192.168/32 link#1 UC fxp0 192.168.0.x has a netmask of 255.255.255.0 everywhere... Is this teh problem or is there somethings else I overlooked... I used the ppp primer but link to it disappeared at www.freebsd.org and www.awfulhak.org Greetz, Arnout To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 10 7:48:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.freebsd.org.uk [194.242.128.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B0B14E7E; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:48:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA90072; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:47:26 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost.lan.Awfulhak.org [127.0.0.1]) by keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA44711; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:52:03 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199909101452.PAA44711@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Arnout Boer Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PPP aliasing won't work In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:33:56 +0200." <199909101333.PAA19961@tomcat.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:52:03 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does it work without -alias ? What does your whole routing table look like ? > I have a FreeBSD server and a NT ws from which I wan't to be able to surf on the > Internet sometimes... > > NT seems to be ok but ppp -nat doesn't route anything > > The strange thing I see is in a show route > 192.168/32 link#1 UC fxp0 > 192.168.0.x has a netmask of 255.255.255.0 everywhere... > Is this teh problem or is there somethings else I overlooked... > I used the ppp primer but link to it disappeared at www.freebsd.org > and www.awfulhak.org > > Greetz, > Arnout -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 10 8:13:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DAA7150E1 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:13:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mik.thwaite@dial.pipex.com) Received: (qmail 11874 invoked from network); 10 Sep 1999 15:12:32 -0000 Received: from userm138.uk.uudial.com (HELO mik) (193.149.77.188) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 1999 15:12:32 -0000 Message-ID: <004701befbe1$7c133700$010101ac@mik> From: "Mik Thwaite" To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: References: <020101bef269$9fa48600$857e03cb@jdy> <005a01befafd$dad4c680$010101ac@mik> <19990909134713.C224@whizkidtech.net> Subject: Re: ppp setup Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:57:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > You couldn't find it because it is blackened, not blackenet. > > Cheers, > > Adam turns out after checking the blackened site that its actuall residing in "ftp://flag.blackened.net/pub/freebsd/ppp_script.sh" I've seen it there and know it's right! Finally! (I found it using www.dogpile.com on that other site I mentioned, not to worry.) Thanks, Mik To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 10 11:58:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu (exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675E0153DE; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:58:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hodeleri@seattleu.edu) Received: from seattleu.edu (ppp15.pm2b.wport.com [206.129.99.95]) by exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id STJ11VP7; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:56:09 -0700 Message-ID: <37D954F9.4326E6AB@seattleu.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:59:05 -0700 From: Eric Hodel Organization: Dis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jeremy L. Ramirez" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Free BSD CD-sets References: <4.2.0.58.19990909183507.00a704d0@ns1.digicomsystems.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jeremy L. Ramirez" wrote: > > I'll be quick and to the point. Is there currently an effort to get > FreeBSD to users that may not be willing to fork out the $40 (which I feel is a > very small price to pay) to try/test it out without having to download it? I know > there was (not sure currently) a Linux effort to get CD sets to users. The user group I'm in (SEAFUG) gets 1 rev old CD sets from (unnamed to protect the innocent) at FreeBSD Inc. -- Eric Hodel - hodeleri@seattleu.edu | Customers will come to our Aspiring programmer & FPS minor demi-god. | 'home page' in unbelievable ------------------------------------------/ numbers and find out every- thing we want them to know. --Bill Gates To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Sep 10 19:30:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38AC414F00 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:30:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA78794 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:30:13 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:30:13 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199909110230.MAA78794@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 11 1:55: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2530814E94 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:54:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from antwood@halenet.com.au) Received: from anthonyw (modem-57-warw.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.57]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA14035 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:00:36 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from antwood@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <000301befc34$009953e0$392137cb@anthonyw> From: "Anthony Woodford" To: Subject: I'm a dickhead (Really I'm D.U.M.) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:59:45 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To whom it may concern, I'd love to run freebsd, but my tutors won't let me use it as I've still gotta get a grip om Windaz. Just because my companys D.U.M that doesn't mean cause I'm dumb. Because 10 million of us dumb people got together and put in to make a dumb company... Cheers and beers, Anthony Woodford To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 11 5:15:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from relay2.ima-info.ro (cache.ima-info.ro [193.231.230.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DB20150D2 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 05:15:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itetcu@go.ro) Received: (qmail 13414 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1999 11:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tim) (192.168.1.4) by cache.ima-info.ro with SMTP; 11 Sep 1999 11:15:14 -0000 From: itetcu@go.ro To: newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:15:46 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Reply-To: ITetcu@go.ro X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990911121523.3DB20150D2@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org newbies - auth 54d3e155 subscribe freebsd-newbies itetcu@go.ro end To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 11 6: 3:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from freedom.cybertouch.org (freedom.cybertouch.org [216.183.2.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C0114CFE for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 06:03:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lnb@freedom.cybertouch.org) Received: (from lnb@localhost) by freedom.cybertouch.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA64330; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19990911121523.3DB20150D2@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Freedom Network Solutions From: lnb@cybertouch.org To: ITetcu@go.ro Subject: RE: Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yo, send the auth without the newbies - to majordomo@freebsd.org and send it as: auth 54d3e155 subscribe freebsd-newbies itetcu@go.ro On 11-Sep-99 itetcu@go.ro wrote: > newbies - auth 54d3e155 subscribe freebsd-newbies itetcu@go.ro > end > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message Regards, Lanny Baron ---------------------------------- lnb@cybertouch.org 11-Sep-99, 09:02:09 Go climb a gravity well! FreeBSD+Samba=A total solution for file servers and a ton more... Freedom Network Solutions http://freedomnetworks.com ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 11 6:15:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from freedom.cybertouch.org (freedom.cybertouch.org [216.183.2.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50AB14DDF for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 06:15:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lnb@freedom.cybertouch.org) Received: (from lnb@localhost) by freedom.cybertouch.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA64516; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <000301befc34$009953e0$392137cb@anthonyw> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Freedom Network Solutions From: lnb@cybertouch.org To: Anthony Woodford Subject: RE: I'm a dickhead (Really I'm D.U.M.) Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Anthony, I am taking a course here in Canada to get M.C.S.E, Oracle DB Admin and A+. I ran into same problem until I explained what I could do with FreeBSD and Samba together (using the smb protocol). They are waiting for the head of the IT department to meet with me. What are you taking? On 11-Sep-99 Anthony Woodford wrote: > To whom it may concern, > > I'd love to run freebsd, but my tutors won't let me use it as I've still > gotta get a grip om Windaz. > > Just because my companys D.U.M that doesn't mean cause I'm dumb. Because 10 > million of us dumb people got together and put in to make a dumb company... > > Cheers and beers, > > Anthony Woodford Regards, Lanny Baron ---------------------------------- lnb@cybertouch.org 11-Sep-99, 09:15:26 Those who in quarrels interpose, must often wipe a bloody nose. FreeBSD+Samba=A total solution for file servers and a ton more... Freedom Network Solutions http://freedomnetworks.com ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 11 15:22:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.kersur.net (mail.kersur.net [199.79.199.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972A014D0E for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:22:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bcohen@bpecreative.com) Received: from mojomatic (dialup102.kersur.net [216.129.139.67]) by mail.kersur.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA21868 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Bob Cohen" To: "Free-BSD Newbies Mailing List" Subject: like, way new newbie--like, way dumb newbie question Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:18:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000201befca3$9fd52f50$dfdfdfdf@mojomatic> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All, I'm contemplating the free-bsd plunge and I have a question before proceeding. Can a free-bsd box be used as a file server for a windows peer-to-peer network? Bob Cohen b.p.e.Creative Web Design and Production P.O. Box 192 508.384.6054 Sheldonville, MA 02093 bcohen@bpecreative.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 11 20: 9:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from alexandria.thedial.com (alexandria.thedial.com [204.252.162.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2480D14C8C for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:09:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from james@thedial.com) Received: from mukmuk.thedial.com ([204.252.162.131] helo=thedial.com) by alexandria.thedial.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Q035-000LAR-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:11:27 -0700 Message-ID: <37DB2ADE.ADC3DC04@thedial.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:23:58 -0700 From: james Organization: theDial < www.thedial.com > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Free-BSD Newbies Mailing List Subject: Re: like, way new newbie--like, way dumb newbie question References: <000201befca3$9fd52f50$dfdfdfdf@mojomatic> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bob Cohen wrote: > > Hi All, > > I'm contemplating the free-bsd plunge and I have a question > before proceeding. Can a free-bsd box be used as a file > server for a windows peer-to-peer network? > yes, it can. you'll want to look into samba (and perhaps NIS/NFS). a good reference/starting point would be "Samba: Integrating Unix & Windows" stay intact, james ---------------------------------------------------------------- james nigh systems administrator/webmaster icq 27459905 theDial "Broadcasting for the New World" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Sep 11 21:58: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E5B14D3B for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:57:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-111-st.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.111]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA24821 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:03:59 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <00cf01befc77$0ab08180$6f2137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" To: "Free-BSD Newbies Mailing List" References: <000201befca3$9fd52f50$dfdfdfdf@mojomatic> Subject: Re: like, way new newbie--like, way dumb newbie question Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 02:59:39 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well I hope it can, because that's what I'm doing with mine next week! Regards Igor Double your drive space - delete Windows! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Cohen To: Free-BSD Newbies Mailing List Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 8:18 AM Subject: like, way new newbie--like, way dumb newbie question > Hi All, > > I'm contemplating the free-bsd plunge and I have a question > before proceeding. Can a free-bsd box be used as a file > server for a windows peer-to-peer network? > > Bob Cohen > > b.p.e.Creative Web Design and Production > P.O. Box 192 508.384.6054 > Sheldonville, MA 02093 bcohen@bpecreative.com > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message