From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Nov 7 13:24:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailg.telia.com (mailg.telia.com [194.22.194.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25BCA14CBF for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:24:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fredrik.carlen@telia.com) Received: from d1o29.telia.com (d1o29.telia.com [194.236.214.241]) by mailg.telia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14938 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 22:24:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from machine.beastie.org (t3o29p7.telia.com [194.236.215.7]) by d1o29.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA11757 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 22:24:06 +0100 (CET) From: Fredrik Carlen Reply-To: fredrik.carlen@telia.com To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: This one goes out to people living in Sweden: Stockholm user Group? Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 22:22:12 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99110722265100.00357@machine.beastie.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there, everybody! I'm a FreeBSD user a year now [more like a born again UNIX fanatic ;) ], and I'm wondering if there is such a thing as a FreeBSD user group in Stockholm...if not, what does it take to start one? /fredrik To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 8 8:12:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mojave.sitaranetworks.com (mojave.sitaranetworks.com [199.103.141.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2CF14BF6 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:12:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.sitaranetworks.com) Message-ID: <19991108111210.14881@mojave.sitaranetworks.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:12:10 -0500 From: Greg Lehey To: fredrik.carlen@telia.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: This one goes out to people living in Sweden: Stockholm user Group? Reply-To: Greg Lehey References: <99110722265100.00357@machine.beastie.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <99110722265100.00357@machine.beastie.org>; from Fredrik Carlen on Sun, Nov 07, 1999 at 10:22:12PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday, 7 November 1999 at 22:22:12 +0100, Fredrik Carlen wrote: > Hi there, everybody! I'm a FreeBSD user a year now [more like a born > again UNIX fanatic ;) ], and I'm wondering if there is such a thing > as a FreeBSD user group in Stockholm... http://www.freebsd.org/support.html#user describes the known FreeBSD user groups. The closest to you appears to be in Lund. > if not, what does it take to start one? A lot of work and determination :-) There's no hard and fast rule about how to do things; you might start by talking to the guys in Lund. If you do get one together, please let me know, and I'll include it in the web page. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 8 11: 5:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf24.de (mail.surf24.de [212.62.192.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80375153A4 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:05:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de) Received: from duffner.surf24.de (surf231.surf24.de [212.62.193.231]) by mail.surf24.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA13601; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:06:00 +0100 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:52:31 +0000 (MEZ) From: Rainer M Duffner Subject: Re: [New to FreeBSD] To: Fawaz Talal Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, Anthony Sticha In-Reply-To: <19991107051236.2095.qmail@www0a.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: enigma, http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~enigma X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun 07 Nov, Fawaz Talal wrote: > "Anthony Sticha" wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am new at using FreeBSD having made the switch from using NT for our > > ISP. > > I hav read and read and read the Handbook but ofter still come up against > > practical questions I need ansers for. Can you steer me in the right > > direction like a FreeBSD in 5 minutes Guide..... I mean I guess they don't > > exist but some type of learning course.... > > There are so many for NT that Don't they mostly consist of "How to click the right button on the right menu ?" > > it seems that FreeBSD being what it is might have this sort of thing > > also. > > > > Thanks for your patience. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Anthony > > I have found that "The Complete FreeBSD, by Greg Lehey, 3rd Edition" is a > great start. Yes, but now he'll probably need 5' for reading the table of contents already ;-) But I'm sure it's a good book and I think I'll finally order me a copy, as a christmas present :-) There are some links on the www.freebsd.org homepage. I think the freebsd-diaries are also pretty good. At least, they have helped me once when I had locked myself out of the machine and couldn't really boot anymore :-( cheers, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Nov 8 11:11:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gwia.umsmed.edu (groupwise.umsmed.edu [192.207.213.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 21D521536E for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:11:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rbelk@noc.umsmed.edu) Received: from D1-Message_Server by gwia.umsmed.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:11:35 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 13:11:28 -0600 From: "Randy Belk" To: Subject: auth 992db4db subscribe freebsd-newbies rbelk@noc.umsmed.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org auth 992db4db subscribe freebsd-newbies rbelk@noc.umsmed.edu=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Nov 9 22:37:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from enterprise.sanyusan.se (enterprise.sanyusan.se [212.209.55.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A840E1504C for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:37:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anders@enterprise.sanyusan.se) Received: (from anders@localhost) by enterprise.sanyusan.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02892; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:36:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anders) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:36:10 +0100 From: Anders Andersson To: fredrik.carlen@telia.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: This one goes out to people living in Sweden: Stockholm user Group? Message-ID: <19991110073610.A2770@enterprise.sanyusan.se> References: <99110722265100.00357@machine.beastie.org> <19991108111210.14881@mojave.sitaranetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3C19991108111210=2E14881=40mojave=2Esitaranetworks=2Ecom?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3E=3B_from_grog=40mojave=2Esitaranetworks=2Ecom_on_M=E5n?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=2C_Nov_08=2C_1999_at_11:12:10am_-0500?= Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday, 7 November 1999 at 22:22:12 +0100, Fredrik Carlen wrote: > Hi there, everybody! I'm a FreeBSD user a year now [more like a born > again UNIX fanatic ;) ], and I'm wondering if there is such a thing > as a FreeBSD user group in Stockholm... There is a general BSD user group in Sweden, it's called BUS (BSD Users Sweden). Please check http://www.stacken.kth.se/projekt/bus/ There is also a mailing list. Anders -- Anders Andersson anders@sanyusan.se Sanyusan International AB http://www.sanyusan.se/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Nov 11 6:40: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from prserv.net (out5.prserv.net [165.87.194.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B89314CAE for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 06:40:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from youlgok@attglobal.net) Received: from attglobal.net ([129.37.167.164]) by prserv.net (out5) with SMTP id <1999111114400124302c3kl5e>; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:40:02 +0000 Message-ID: <382AD577.A8AF66AB@attglobal.net> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:40:56 -0500 From: youlgok@attglobal.net Reply-To: youlgok@attglobal.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Q: POP client Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please recommend me a good POP client except Netscape Messenger. Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Nov 11 9:26: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (lanshark.lanminds.com [208.25.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6757A14D06 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:25:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from todd@lmi.net) Received: from drtboi.lanminds.com (drtboi.lmi.net [208.25.91.219]) by lanshark.lanminds.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA01550; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:25:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <382AD577.A8AF66AB@attglobal.net> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:25:49 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: todd@lmi.net Organization: LMI.net From: Todd Meister To: youlgok@attglobal.net Subject: RE: Q: POP client Cc: FreeBSD-Newbies Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 11-Nov-99 youlgok@attglobal.net wrote: > Please recommend me a good POP client except Netscape Messenger. If you like powerful command-line stuff, I would suggest mh. You can use exmh for a bit more of the GUI experience. Fetchmail, procmail, and mh used together are, from what I've heard, very nice. Unfortunately, I started out on my machine with a GUI mail client, and I'm too {lazy,busy} to switch over. For a Eudora-like experience, I've found xfmail to work pretty well (though searching is worse even than Eudora, and the filters are a bit clumsy). -Todd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Nov 11 11:21:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E0314ED2 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:20:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from max.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p5.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.5]) by f1node01.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27326; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:19:23 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by max.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA01368; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:05:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:05:36 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@max.alleswirdgelber To: Todd Meister Cc: youlgok@attglobal.net, FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: RE: Q: POP client In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > for a bit more of the GUI experience. Fetchmail, procmail, and mh used > together are, from what I've heard, very nice. Unfortunately, I started out on Pine looks easier, most popular. fetchmail is easy. procmail needs a .procmailrc and can be called via the .forward mechanism, with sendmail -q, well thats the way I do it, suggestions ? You dont need procmail if you dont need sorting maillists etc. Heiko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Nov 11 11:30: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pyyhe.saunalahti.fi (mail.sci.fi [195.74.0.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821B214F04 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:29:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sjuke@saunalahti.fi) Received: from sjukebox.home (MDXXVI.dyn.saunalahti.fi [195.197.5.26]) by pyyhe.saunalahti.fi (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA28535; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:38:41 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:21:21 +0200 (EET) From: Jukka Simila To: Heiko Recktenwald Subject: RE: Q: POP client Cc: FreeBSD-Newbies , youlgok@attglobal.net, Todd Meister Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 11-Nov-99 Heiko Recktenwald wrote: > fetchmail is easy. procmail needs a .procmailrc and can be called via > the .forward mechanism, with sendmail -q, well thats the way I do it, > suggestions ? You dont need procmail if you dont need sorting maillists > etc. I do it this way too, and then I use xfmail as GUI. Thou I'll begin to make my own gui if I ever get time. I think I'll use the gimp toolkit for that. @-`--,--`--- Jukka Simila To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Nov 11 18:24:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (athserv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D420614F93 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:24:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a058.otenet.gr [195.167.115.58]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA01352 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 04:24:09 +0200 (EET) Received: (qmail 1927 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Nov 1999 02:26:03 -0000 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Q: POP client References: From: Giorgos Keramidas Date: 12 Nov 1999 04:26:03 +0200 In-Reply-To: Todd Meister's message of "Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:25:49 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: <86bt90phs4.fsf@localhost.hell.gr> Lines: 28 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.1 - "20 Minutes to Nikko" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Todd Meister writes: > On 11-Nov-99 youlgok@attglobal.net wrote: > > Please recommend me a good POP client except Netscape Messenger. > > If you like powerful command-line stuff, I would suggest mh. You can > use exmh for a bit more of the GUI experience. Fetchmail, procmail, > and mh used together are, from what I've heard, very nice. > Unfortunately, I started out on my machine with a GUI mail client, and > I'm too {lazy,busy} to switch over. Probably my worthless $.02, but I am using a single-drop fetchmail mailbox, and a proper list of regexp-filters in my ~/.gnus to split incoming mail in nnml:* folders which XEmacs handles exactly like newgroups, and it all kind of feels cool. But then again, I am probably too much of an Emacs fan, so you have to ignore me :) Fetchmail works nicely with sendmail, but you need a properly configured sendmail in order to use it. AFAIK, with or without fetchmail you have to configure sendmail *correctly* though. Ciao. -- Giorgos Keramidas, "What we have to learn to do, we learn by doing." [Aristotle] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Nov 12 5:24:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f163.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 31C5814D6E for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:24:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd_tao@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 59051 invoked by uid 0); 12 Nov 1999 13:24:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19991112132434.59050.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 144.82.100.120 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:24:33 PST X-Originating-IP: [144.82.100.120] From: "tao huang" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: How can I use TAB as in linux? Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:24:33 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I can use TAB to shortcut the command in linux but I found it cann`t work in the freebsd. How can I do for it? And also how can I install a shell bash in the freebsd? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Nov 12 6: 9: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD95414DB5 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:09:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 11mHNx-000LV9-00; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:09:05 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:09:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathon McKitrick To: tao huang Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can I use TAB as in linux? In-Reply-To: <19991112132434.59050.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To install bash, use sysinstall/packages... Then, under 'shells' you will find bash2... that's the one you want! It installes to /usr/local/bin Then maybe TAB will work... On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, tao huang wrote: >I can use TAB to shortcut the command in linux but I found it cann`t work in >the freebsd. How can I do for it? >And also how can I install a shell bash in the freebsd? > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > -jonathon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Nov 12 6:11:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CD0C14E49 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:11:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Networks.Manager@rncm.ac.uk) Received: from fs3.rncm.ac.uk ([193.63.96.102] helo=rncm.ac.uk) by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 11mHQT-000Hvb-00; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:11:41 +0000 Received: from RNCM-FS3/SpoolDir by rncm.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 12 Nov 99 14:12:00 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by RNCM-FS3 (Mercury 1.44); 12 Nov 99 14:11:41 GMT Received: from beowulf (193.63.96.96) by rncm.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 12 Nov 99 14:11:33 GMT From: "Peter McGarvey" To: "tao huang" , Subject: RE: How can I use TAB as in linux? Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:11:30 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <19991112132434.59050.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I can use TAB to shortcut the command in linux but I found it > cann`t work in > the freebsd. How can I do for it? Install BASH... The TAB thingy is a BASH feature > And also how can I install a shell bash in the freebsd? You can install bash from the ports: cd /usr/ports/shells/bash2 make make install Which is how I'd do it. Or you can do can install the precompiled package: pkg_add bash-2.02.1.tgz but this is from memory so check the docs. Both methods should download the files you need form the internet. If you only have the CDs then check the doc - I can't remember how this works (I've got a 155Mbps pipe so I've never needed to do this). TTFN, FNORD -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Peter McGarvey, Networks Manager | email: Networks.Manager@rncm.ac.uk Royal Northern College of Music | tel: +44 (0)161 907 5218 124 Oxford Road, Manchester, | fax: +44 (0)161 273 7611 England M13 9RD | mobile: +44 (0)7887 990564 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Nov 12 7:20:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7457514DFC for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:20:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA30663; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:20:33 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:20:32 -0600 (CST) From: Steve Price To: tao huang Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How can I use TAB as in linux? In-Reply-To: <19991112132434.59050.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, tao huang wrote: # I can use TAB to shortcut the command in linux but I found it cann`t work in # the freebsd. How can I do for it? # And also how can I install a shell bash in the freebsd? Many people have already suggested to use Bash which is what I did for many years but I've since found Zsh. You might give it a try in lieu of Bash. It has a really cool configurable commandline completion feature. If you installed the ports tree then you'll find it here: /usr/ports/shells/zsh I have the following lines in my ~/.zshrc to tweak commandline completion the way I like it. bindkey -e # Emacs editing mode setopt auto_list # list completions on TAB setopt no_beep # don't beep on TAB -steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Nov 12 8:59:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from FUCKUP.de (feldppp-026.wiesenbronn.dialin.mayn.de [194.145.151.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C7614CAE for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:59:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from leonalex@gmx.net) Received: from localhost (leonalex@localhost) by FUCKUP.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01426 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:03:12 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:03:12 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alex_R=FCgamer?= To: FreeBSD-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Fatal Trap 12 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! If I try to install FreeBSD 3.3 on my PC, I always get the message Fatal Trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual add [cut] panic: page fault I've tried to install it on another PC and there was no Problem. The Hardware of my PC: Cyrix 166+, 64MB RAM, 2 Hard Disks, CD-Rom, CD-Recorder,... Is this a known Problem, and what is the solution?? cu Alex Alex R=FCgamer leonalex@gmx.net http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/lobby/7533/main.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Nov 12 9:28:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rintintin.colorado.edu (rintintin.Colorado.EDU [128.138.129.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099A514E18 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:28:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from beaurega@rintintin.colorado.edu) Received: from localhost (beaurega@localhost) by rintintin.colorado.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/ITS-5.0/standard) with SMTP id KAA00757 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:28:04 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:28:03 -0700 (MST) From: OilMan To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can I use TAB as in linux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Steve Price wrote: > On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, tao huang wrote: > > # I can use TAB to shortcut the command in linux but I found it cann`t work in > # the freebsd. How can I do for it? > # And also how can I install a shell bash in the freebsd? > > Many people have already suggested to use Bash which is what > I did for many years but I've since found Zsh. You might give > it a try in lieu of Bash. It has a really cool configurable > commandline completion feature. I haven't heard much of Zsh, but I've been using Tsch and have been very happy with it. It's got the TAB completion, a history list feature using the up and down arrows and in-line command editing. Dan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > < > "For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one < > body, whether Jews or Greeks, slaves or free < > persons, and we were all given to drink of one < > Spirit." - 1 Corinthians 12:13 < > < > Dan Beauregard < > SUPER SENIOR!! < > University of Colorado - Boulder < > Brother of Kappa Kappa Psi College Band Fraternity < > < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Nov 12 9:31:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C4314BC5 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:31:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #3) id 11mKXM-000KGD-00; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:31:00 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:31:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Jonathon McKitrick To: OilMan Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can I use TAB as in linux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For an article on Zsh, check out last month's daemonnews On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, OilMan wrote: >On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Steve Price wrote: > >> On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, tao huang wrote: >> >> # I can use TAB to shortcut the command in linux but I found it cann`t work in >> # the freebsd. How can I do for it? >> # And also how can I install a shell bash in the freebsd? >> >> Many people have already suggested to use Bash which is what >> I did for many years but I've since found Zsh. You might give >> it a try in lieu of Bash. It has a really cool configurable >> commandline completion feature. > >I haven't heard much of Zsh, but I've been using Tsch and have been very >happy with it. It's got the TAB completion, a history list feature using >the up and down arrows and in-line command editing. > >Dan > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >> < >> "For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one < >> body, whether Jews or Greeks, slaves or free < >> persons, and we were all given to drink of one < >> Spirit." - 1 Corinthians 12:13 < >> < >> Dan Beauregard < >> SUPER SENIOR!! < >> University of Colorado - Boulder < >> Brother of Kappa Kappa Psi College Band Fraternity < >> < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > -jonathon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Nov 12 10: 2: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C387214EB7 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:01:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Networks.Manager@rncm.ac.uk) Received: from fs3.rncm.ac.uk ([193.63.96.102] helo=rncm.ac.uk) by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org id 11mL10-0005np-00; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:01:38 +0000 Received: from RNCM-FS3/SpoolDir by rncm.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 12 Nov 99 18:01:57 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by RNCM-FS3 (Mercury 1.44); 12 Nov 99 18:01:37 GMT Received: from beowulf (193.63.96.96) by rncm.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 12 Nov 99 18:01:29 GMT From: "Peter McGarvey" To: Subject: RE: How can I use TAB as in linux? Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:01:27 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If were going to have a flare up of the "I think the XXX shell is the best" holy war, do you think we should follow-up with a good ol' bout of "changing the shell for root"? TTFN, FNORD -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Peter McGarvey, Networks Manager | email: Networks.Manager@rncm.ac.uk Royal Northern College of Music | tel: +44 (0)161 907 5218 124 Oxford Road, Manchester, | fax: +44 (0)161 273 7611 England M13 9RD | mobile: +44 (0)7887 990564 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jonathon > McKitrick > Sent: 12 November 1999 17:31 > To: OilMan > Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: How can I use TAB as in linux? > > > For an article on Zsh, check out last month's daemonnews > > > On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, OilMan wrote: > > >On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Steve Price wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, tao huang wrote: > >> > >> # I can use TAB to shortcut the command in linux but I found > it cann`t work in > >> # the freebsd. How can I do for it? > >> # And also how can I install a shell bash in the freebsd? > >> > >> Many people have already suggested to use Bash which is what > >> I did for many years but I've since found Zsh. You might give > >> it a try in lieu of Bash. It has a really cool configurable > >> commandline completion feature. > > > >I haven't heard much of Zsh, but I've been using Tsch and have been very > >happy with it. It's got the TAB completion, a history list feature using > >the up and down arrows and in-line command editing. > > > >Dan > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > >> < > >> "For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one < > >> body, whether Jews or Greeks, slaves or free < > >> persons, and we were all given to drink of one < > >> Spirit." - 1 Corinthians 12:13 < > >> < > >> Dan Beauregard < > >> SUPER SENIOR!! < > >> University of Colorado - Boulder < > >> Brother of Kappa Kappa Psi College Band Fraternity < > >> < > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > -jonathon > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Nov 12 12:31: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from FUCKUP.de (feldppp-008.wiesenbronn.dialin.mayn.de [194.145.151.168]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF7914D47 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:31:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from leonalex@gmx.net) Received: from localhost (leonalex@localhost) by FUCKUP.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00612 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:32:41 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:32:41 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alex_R=FCgamer?= To: FreeBSD-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Installation Problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! If I try to install FreeBSD 3.3 on my PC, I always get the message Fatal Trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual add [cut] panic: page fault I've tried to install it on another PC and there was no Problem. The Hardware of my PC: Cyrix 166+, 64MB RAM, 2 Hard Disks, CD-Rom, CD-Recorder,... Is this a known Problem, and what is the solution?? cu Alex Alex R=FCgamer leonalex@gmx.net http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/lobby/7533/main.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Nov 12 13:14:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost.visualedge.com (visualedge.com [207.139.24.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8EE5A14CFA for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:14:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from martinm@visualedge.com) Received: from pony by vedge with SMTP (8.6.11/) id QAA09147; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:11:40 -0500 Message-ID: <007901bf2d53$3461bfa0$a600a8c0@visualedge.com> From: "Martin Mactaggart" To: "FreeBSD Newbies" , "Peter McGarvey" References: Subject: Re: How can I use TAB as in linux? Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:16:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think there's something vaguely social-darwinism about the brutal, autocratic way "root" and his imperialistic "wheel" oligarchy dictate terms of existance to other users. In the future, perhaps FreeBSD4.0, I'd like to see all users be given an equal vote prior to the computer performing any type of potentially system changing activity. That would be much fairer. ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter McGarvey To: Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 1:01 PM Subject: RE: How can I use TAB as in linux? If were going to have a flare up of the "I think the XXX shell is the best" holy war, do you think we should follow-up with a good ol' bout of "changing the shell for root"? TTFN, FNORD -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Peter McGarvey, Networks Manager | email: Networks.Manager@rncm.ac.uk Royal Northern College of Music | tel: +44 (0)161 907 5218 124 Oxford Road, Manchester, | fax: +44 (0)161 273 7611 England M13 9RD | mobile: +44 (0)7887 990564 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jonathon > McKitrick > Sent: 12 November 1999 17:31 > To: OilMan > Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: How can I use TAB as in linux? > > > For an article on Zsh, check out last month's daemonnews > > > On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, OilMan wrote: > > >On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Steve Price wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, tao huang wrote: > >> > >> # I can use TAB to shortcut the command in linux but I found > it cann`t work in > >> # the freebsd. How can I do for it? > >> # And also how can I install a shell bash in the freebsd? > >> > >> Many people have already suggested to use Bash which is what > >> I did for many years but I've since found Zsh. You might give > >> it a try in lieu of Bash. It has a really cool configurable > >> commandline completion feature. > > > >I haven't heard much of Zsh, but I've been using Tsch and have been very > >happy with it. It's got the TAB completion, a history list feature using > >the up and down arrows and in-line command editing. > > > >Dan > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > >> < > >> "For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one < > >> body, whether Jews or Greeks, slaves or free < > >> persons, and we were all given to drink of one < > >> Spirit." - 1 Corinthians 12:13 < > >> < > >> Dan Beauregard < > >> SUPER SENIOR!! < > >> University of Colorado - Boulder < > >> Brother of Kappa Kappa Psi College Band Fraternity < > >> < > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > -jonathon > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Nov 12 16:31:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (athserv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B894C1509A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:31:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a112.otenet.gr [195.167.115.112]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA25074 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 02:31:21 +0200 (EET) Received: (qmail 4253 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Nov 1999 23:38:50 -0000 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How can I use TAB as in linux? References: <007901bf2d53$3461bfa0$a600a8c0@visualedge.com> From: Giorgos Keramidas Date: 13 Nov 1999 01:38:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Martin Mactaggart"'s message of "Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:16:35 -0500" Message-ID: <86yac3l1px.fsf@localhost.hell.gr> Lines: 26 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.1 - "20 Minutes to Nikko" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Martin Mactaggart" writes: > I think there's something vaguely social-darwinism about the brutal, > autocratic way "root" and his imperialistic "wheel" oligarchy dictate terms > of existance to other users. In the future, perhaps FreeBSD4.0, I'd like to > see all users be given an equal vote prior to the computer performing any > type of potentially system changing activity. > > That would be much fairer. Perhaps by also making it mandatory that it takes at least 1 "root" user to vote for a thing, or if that is not possible at least 2 members of the "wheel" group, or if that is not possible either (50% + 1) of the users that belong to all the other groups. Pretty complicated, but it looks a lot like those security procedures known to many of us from military-type movies, etc. Merging that with a capability for voting, which should be removed from users who have commited a `politically incorrect' action some time in the past, we have a truly remarkable emulation of what the outside world is. But I'm starting to get scared about all this enough already... -- Giorgos Keramidas, "What we have to learn to do, we learn by doing." [Aristotle] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Nov 12 17:30:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8967215098 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:30:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22055 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:30:09 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:30:09 +1100 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199911130130.MAA22055@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Nov 13 9:10:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from merkur.hrz.uni-giessen.de (merkur.hrz.uni-giessen.de [134.176.2.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7377814D82 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:10:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ariel.Burbaickij@mni.fh-giessen.de) Received: from caspar.mni.fh-giessen.de by merkur.hrz.uni-giessen.de with ESMTP for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:10:26 +0100 Received: from sun33.mni.fh-giessen.de ([134.176.183.133]) by caspar.mni.fh-giessen.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #6) id 11mgYv-0001mr-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:02:05 +0100 Received: from localhost (hg9456@localhost) by sun33.mni.fh-giessen.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18873 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:10:11 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: sun33.mni.fh-giessen.de: hg9456 owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:10:10 +0100 (MET) From: Ariel Burbaickij X-Sender: hg9456@sun33 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe freebsd-newbies To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Nov 13 18:16:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.anc.net (mail.anc.net [208.133.27.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F277E15201 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:16:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nakins@arkansas.net) Received: from littleone (max01-bt-15.bt.anc.net [209.12.2.208]) by mail.anc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA16729 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:16:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <382E1A80.3B20@arkansas.net> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:12:16 -0600 From: noel akins Reply-To: nakins@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Problem using CVSup Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I'm trying to update my source trees with CVSup, so I can use and install mysql322-server. I set up my ppp according to the handbook. I don't have a firewall up. CVSup connects, but returns this error: Detailer failed: Network write failure: Destination unreachable Please, anyone with any idea that might cause this error please reply To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message