From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jan 31 02:33:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA08046 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 02:33:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA08039 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 02:32:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id TAA28809; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 19:32:41 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36B428E6.EF822AE5@newsguy.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 18:56:54 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith CC: Warner Losh , small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compressed executables in low memory environements References: <199901301843.KAA00963@dingo.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > > It's quite doable, subject to finding the right compression algorithm. It would seem that any LZ variant with dictionary flush can do the job... -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jan 31 10:06:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA28020 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:06:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA28016 for freebsd-small; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:06:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:06:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199901311806.KAA28016@hub.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-small Subject: reported dead Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG test To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jan 31 10:30:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01201 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:30:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01194 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:30:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.56.224]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA2178; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 19:30:46 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199901311806.KAA28016@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 19:39:29 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: RE: reported dead Cc: freebsd-small@hub.freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 31-Jan-99 Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > test That we don't talk often doesn't mean we're dead ;) --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven It's a Dance of Energy, asmodai(at)wxs.nl when the Mind goes Binary... Network/Security Specialist *BSD: Powered by Knowledge & Know-how To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jan 31 10:46:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03026 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:46:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.pcmedia.co.nz (pcmedia.nzl.com [203.21.25.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03018 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:46:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelh@earthling.net) Received: from goldie.nest.pcmedia.co.nz (ppp137111.netaccess.co.nz [202.37.101.111]) by mail.pcmedia.co.nz (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA31585; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 07:40:45 +1300 Received: from localhost by earthling.net via sendmail with smtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 07:45:06 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 07:45:05 +1300 (NZDT) From: Michael Hope X-Sender: michaelh@goldie.nest.pcmedia.co.nz To: "Daniel C. Sobral" cc: Mike Smith , Warner Losh , small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compressed executables in low memory environements In-Reply-To: <36B428E6.EF822AE5@newsguy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You might be interested in the LZO library: http://wildsau.idv.uni-linz.ac.at/mfx/lzo.html The compression isnt that great (files are, say, 15% bigger when compressed than the equivalent file compressed with gzip), but the decompression routine is _incredibly_ fast and doesnt require a dictonary. -- Michael On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Mike Smith wrote: > > > > It's quite doable, subject to finding the right compression algorithm. > > It would seem that any LZ variant with dictionary flush can do the > job... > > -- > Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) > dcs@newsguy.com > > Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jan 31 11:14:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07305 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:14:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07291; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:14:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id EAA19312; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 04:14:26 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36B4A728.E26AB53B@newsguy.com> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 03:55:36 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" CC: freebsd-small@hub.freebsd.org Subject: Re: reported dead References: <199901311806.KAA28016@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jonathan M. Bresler" wrote: > > test Well, unless you have a mail agent, it would seem you are alive after all... So, when do we get Postfix? :-) -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jan 31 11:27:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08787 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:27:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08779 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:27:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id EAA20021; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 04:27:35 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36B4AE74.D74B14EB@newsguy.com> Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 04:26:44 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Hope CC: Mike Smith , Warner Losh , small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compressed executables in low memory environements References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Michael Hope wrote: > > You might be interested in the LZO library: > > http://wildsau.idv.uni-linz.ac.at/mfx/lzo.html > > The compression isnt that great (files are, say, 15% bigger when > compressed than the equivalent file compressed with gzip), but the > decompression routine is _incredibly_ fast and doesnt require a dictonary. Err... having a dictionary was a plus... :-) We want a "fixed-block" compression. For example, so that I could decompress any 512-bytes block of it (aligned on 512, of course :) without context. Well, statistical compression algorithms could be used too, but the ones giving decent compress ratios depend on context. The dictionary based ones are easy to adapt, because all you need to do is dump the dictionary and begin again each time you reach a block boundary. Incidentally, RAR has something similar. It adds "context" data every so and so bytes, so that you can recover data from partically damaged files. Or that's what I think they do, anyway... :-) -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jan 31 12:36:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA17530 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:36:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17511 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:36:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA15053 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:35:14 +0100 (CET) To: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: M-systems Disk-On-Chip 2000 driver for 4.0-CURRENT available From: Poul-Henning Kamp Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:35:13 +0100 Message-ID: <15051.917814913@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG on: http://phk.freebsd.dk/doc2k in: DOC2K.40.19990131.tgz No functional changes. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jan 31 15:50:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13619 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:50:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13613; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:50:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:50:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901312350.PAA13613@hub.freebsd.org> From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: asmodai@wxs.nl CC: freebsd-small@hub.freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai on Sun, 31 Jan 1999 19:39:29 +0100 (CET)) Subject: Re: reported dead References: Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 19:39:29 +0100 (CET) > Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises > Sender: asmodai@daemon.ninth-circle.org > From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai > Cc: freebsd-small@hub.freebsd.org > > On 31-Jan-99 Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > test > > That we don't talk often doesn't mean we're dead ;) i see now that reports to the contrary are mistaken ;) jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jan 31 17:08:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA24247 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:08:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA24240; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:08:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:08:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199902010108.RAA24240@hub.freebsd.org> From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: dcs@newsguy.com CC: freebsd-small@hub.freebsd.org In-reply-to: <36B4A728.E26AB53B@newsguy.com> (dcs@newsguy.com) Subject: Re: reported dead References: <199901311806.KAA28016@hub.freebsd.org> <36B4A728.E26AB53B@newsguy.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 03:55:36 +0900 > From: "Daniel C. Sobral" > X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja > CC: freebsd-small@hub.freebsd.org > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > "Jonathan M. Bresler" wrote: > > > > test > > Well, unless you have a mail agent, it would seem you are alive > after all... So, when do we get Postfix? :-) i will raise the issue again soon....we'll see the response. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jan 31 18:09:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA01946 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 18:09:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from arg1.demon.co.uk (arg1.demon.co.uk [194.222.34.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01928 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 18:09:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arg@arg1.demon.co.uk) Received: from localhost (arg@localhost) by arg1.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA11704; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 02:08:16 GMT (envelope-from arg@arg1.demon.co.uk) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 02:08:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Andrew Gordon X-Sender: arg@server.arg.sj.co.uk Reply-To: Andrew Gordon To: Warner Losh cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: compressed executables in low memory environements In-Reply-To: <199901300852.BAA75275@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Warner Losh wrote: > > Has any thought (or work) been given to being able to run compressed > executables basically in place? Right now the gzip device in FreeBSD > does almost this, but requires the entire program to be decompressed > before running. What I had in mind would be something that would use > fixed length blocks (not optimal for compression, but not bad either) > so that they could be "paged" into uncompress memory easily? Other systems have done this, one example being Acorn RiscIX (4.3BSD on the early ARM processors). The scheme there was to compress each page (ie. hardware MMU page) of the file separately, with the expectation that the compressed version would fit in fewer filesystem blocks than the original. Hence a 'squeezed' executable would have exactly the same file length as the original, but its allocation of disc blocks would be 'sparse'. A 'squeezed' executable was distinguished from a normal one by having a different magic number in the a.out header. This worked particularly well on the hardware in question due to a number of factors: - The hardware MMU page size was an unusually large 32Kbyte. - Discs were small, hence small filesystem block sizes, so there was a good chance of saving one or more filesystem blocks when compressing the 32K chunks. - The machines had a fast (for its day) CPU coupled to a slow I/O system, so the overhead of decompressing the data was comparable to that of bringing in an extra disc block - possibly even a performance gain. - The disc supplied with the base model machine would not hold the full OS distribution unless most of the executables were squeezed! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Feb 1 09:56:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA20525 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:56:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from schooner.svjava.com (schooner.svjava.com [204.75.228.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA20518 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:56:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kozowski@svjava.com) Received: (from kozowski@localhost) by schooner.svjava.com (8.9.1a/svjava.com) id JAA25035 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:56:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:56:04 -0800 From: Eric Kozowski To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: wl driver in picobsd router disk? Message-ID: <19990201095604.C24878@haydenisland.verio.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG has anyone built a picobsd router floppy w/ the wl driver in it? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Feb 2 04:12:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA03852 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 04:12:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from imap.ncsa.es (imap.ncsa.es [194.179.50.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA03844 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 04:12:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jesusr@ncsa.es) Received: from piolin.ncsa.es (piolin.ncsa.es [194.179.50.134]) by imap.ncsa.es (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA10120 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:12:12 +0100 (CET) Reply-To: "Jesus Rodriguez" From: "Jesus Rodriguez" To: Subject: Reboot PicoBSD Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:13:38 +0100 Message-ID: <01be4ea5$76ed8300$8632b3c2@piolin.ncsa.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello... How can i reboot *remotely* a PicoBSD? Thanks JesusR. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Feb 2 10:46:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16911 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:45:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgate.imagination.co.uk (mailgate.imagination.co.uk [194.128.49.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16903 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:45:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonathan.laventhol@imagination.co.uk) Received: from zz0649 (dhcp-79-231.imagination.co.uk [192.168.79.231]) by mailgate.imagination.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA15444; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:44:37 GMT Message-ID: <36B74A1B.1BD3@imagination.co.uk> Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 18:55:23 +0000 From: Jonathan Laventhol Organization: Imagination Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jesus Rodriguez CC: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reboot PicoBSD References: <01be4ea5$76ed8300$8632b3c2@piolin.ncsa.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Jesus -- > How can i reboot *remotely* a PicoBSD? You have to include the program 'reboot' in your build. (Ie, include it in your crunch.conf. If you need more detail let me know.) Best regards, Jonathan. -- Jonathan Laventhol Head of Information Technology ____________________________________________________________________ Imagination 25 Store Street South Crescent London WC1E 7BL England | Tel +44 171 323 3300 Fax +44 171 323 5801 | _______________________________________________________| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Feb 2 18:29:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24554 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:29:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alecto.physics.uiuc.edu (alecto.physics.uiuc.edu [130.126.8.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA24533 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 18:29:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from igor@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu) Received: (from igor@localhost) by alecto.physics.uiuc.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) id UAA01238; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:29:10 -0600 (CST) From: Igor Roshchin Message-Id: <199902030229.UAA01238@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu> Subject: picobsd - network version To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:29:10 -0600 (CST) Cc: igor@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu (Igor Roshchin) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, About a week ago I downloaded the floppy image of the picobsd (0.41) - networking version. It seems to have no text editor. I know that the space is pretty tought there, but without an editor, it's very complicated to configure it. Regards, Igor PS. I am not subscribed to the list. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Feb 2 22:29:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03610 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:29:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA03603 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:28:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.57.145]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA6998; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:28:56 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199902030229.UAA01238@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 07:37:38 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Igor Roshchin Subject: RE: picobsd - network version Cc: (Igor Roshchin) , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 03-Feb-99 Igor Roshchin wrote: > I know that the space is pretty tought there, but without an editor, > it's very complicated to configure it. I thought it had `ee' on it... --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven It's a Dance of Energy, asmodai(at)wxs.nl when the Mind goes Binary... Network/Security Specialist *BSD: Powered by Knowledge & Know-how To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Feb 2 23:10:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA11831 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:10:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA11819 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:10:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id QAA17024; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:10:36 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36B7F62A.98D6E858@newsguy.com> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 16:09:30 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai CC: Igor Roshchin , "(Igor Roshchin)" , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: picobsd - network version References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > > On 03-Feb-99 Igor Roshchin wrote: > > > I know that the space is pretty tought there, but without an editor, > > it's very complicated to configure it. > > I thought it had `ee' on it... So? ;-> -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com She just looked at him over the rotating pencil like, how slow can a mammal be and still have respiratory functions? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Feb 2 23:23:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA14453 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:23:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tama2.tas.ntt.co.jp (tama2.tas.ntt.co.jp [192.68.237.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA14443 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 23:23:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from taniguti@ntttqn.tnl.ntt.co.jp) Received: from nttmail1.ecl.ntt.co.jp (nttmail1.tas.ntt.co.jp [192.68.248.14]) by tama2.tas.ntt.co.jp (8.9.2/3.7W/02/03/99) with ESMTP id QAA03351 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:23:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from ntttqn.tnl.ntt.co.jp by nttmail1.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.9.2/3.7W/02/02/99) with ESMTP id QAA08823 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:23:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ntttqn.tnl.ntt.co.jp (8.8.8/3.6W) with ESMTP id QAA23295; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:23:10 +0900 (JST) To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: taniguti@ntttqn.tnl.ntt.co.jp Subject: RE: picobsd - network version In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 03 Feb 1999 07:37:38 +0100 (CET)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.92 on Emacs 19.28 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990203162310Q.taniguti@ntttqn.tnl.ntt.co.jp> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 16:23:10 +0900 From: Hirohisa TANIGUCHI X-Dispatcher: imput version 971024 Lines: 17 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Subject: RE: picobsd - network version Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 07:37:38 +0100 (CET) > > I know that the space is pretty tought there, but without an editor, > > it's very complicated to configure it. > > I thought it had `ee' on it... No it seems not... and neither does the Router version. I'm setting interfaces manually. -- H.Taniguchi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Feb 3 02:16:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA07049 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 02:16:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgate.imagination.co.uk (mailgate.imagination.co.uk [194.128.49.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA07042 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 02:16:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonathan.laventhol@imagination.co.uk) Received: from zz0649 (dhcp-79-231.imagination.co.uk [192.168.79.231]) by mailgate.imagination.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA04388 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:16:33 GMT Message-ID: <36B8248F.464F@imagination.co.uk> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 10:27:27 +0000 From: Jonathan Laventhol Organization: Imagination Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [Fwd: Re: picobsd - network version] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Picofriends -- Regarding discussion on configuring PicoBSD ... > > > I know that the space is pretty tought there, but without an editor, > > > it's very complicated to configure it. > > I thought it had `ee' on it... > No it seems not... and neither does the Router version. > I'm setting interfaces manually. As part of my miniature DHCP/DNS server project, we are using a (heavily) modified version of 'net', in the circumstance where: * Only one ethernet interface (but don't necessarily know the type) * No other IP interfaces (except lo0) * Very unqualified persons might need to reconfigure its IP address The box will ultimately serve DHCP / DNS / NTP / TFTP to support remote sites, plus incoming telnet and ftp for updates. Currently it has everything except DNS and NTP. As part of this I needed to greatly simplify the IP configuration; in the final version there will also be an astonishingly simple screen editor. At present the method of ip configuration might be of interest: The solution I'm using here is a *very simple* unified configuration file /etc/ip.conf which contains: IP Address / Netmask / NS / Def Gate / Name / Domain We have a very simple editor for this file, called ipconfig, and a hacked rc.conf. I'd be happy to post early versions of this if someone would give me ftp upload on a suitable box. (Alternatively I'll e-mail people if they like.) Remember this is *WORK IN PROGRESS* and changes every day. On the other hand, it does work! Best regards, J. -- Jonathan Laventhol Head of Information Technology ____________________________________________________________________ Imagination 25 Store Street South Crescent London WC1E 7BL England | Tel +44 171 323 3300 Fax +44 171 323 5801 | _______________________________________________________| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Feb 3 08:10:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA01580 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:10:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alecto.physics.uiuc.edu (alecto.physics.uiuc.edu [130.126.8.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01575 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:10:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from igor@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu) Received: (from igor@localhost) by alecto.physics.uiuc.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) id KAA16724; Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:10:40 -0600 (CST) From: Igor Roshchin Message-Id: <199902031610.KAA16724@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: picobsd - network version In-Reply-To: from "Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai" at "Feb 3, 1999 7:37:38 am" To: asmodai@wxs.nl (Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:10:40 -0600 (CST) Cc: igor@physics.uiuc.edu, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On 03-Feb-99 Igor Roshchin wrote: > > > I know that the space is pretty tought there, but without an editor, > > it's very complicated to configure it. > > I thought it had `ee' on it... > > --- > Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven It's a Dance of Energy, > asmodai(at)wxs.nl when the Mind goes Binary... > Network/Security Specialist > *BSD: Powered by Knowledge & Know-how > There is "ee" on the dialup version. Igor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Feb 4 02:52:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA23732 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 02:52:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [195.187.243.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA23727 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 02:52:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA23385 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:59:30 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:59:30 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Call for help - FreeBSD/PicoBSD presentation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I was asked to do a presentation on "FreeBSD in embedded applications" at a NordU99 (Nordic USENIX/EurOpen) conference in Stockholm. This is very short term (the presentation itself will take place on Feb 12th), and I could do with some help. :-) There will be quite a few famous names there (you can see for yoursefl: http://www.europen.se/NordU99 ). What I basically need is some examples of embedded solutions you based on FreeBSD - I know of a few of them, but I need more information about such things as: hardware (CPU, RAM, peripherals), functions performed, your impressions wrt. the efficiency and stability, possible directions for development, etc... So, if you happen to be involved in some kind of such a project, please send me some info ASAP! I will give you credit for this, when talking about real-life examples. Also, if you know of someone else who's not reading the list, please forward this message to him. Many thanks! Andrzej Bialecki -------------------- ++-------++ ------------------------------------- ||PicoBSD|| FreeBSD in your pocket? 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