From owner-freebsd-small Sun Dec 5 11:57: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from edna.bus.net (edna.bus.net [207.41.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617761542F for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 11:56:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mso@bus.net) Received: from bus.net (31.ct4.dyn.connix.net [209.66.144.94]) by edna.bus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14087 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 14:57:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mso@bus.net) Message-ID: <384AC3E4.21B6EF13@bus.net> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 14:58:28 -0500 From: "Michael S. O'Donnell" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: i'm a bit lost, you see Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i'm an EE, trying to do less manufacturing and more embedded. despite heavy reading in the newsgroups, etc. i'm having a hard time getting the 'big picture' on OSs. can anyone recommend a good book, or three, (or FAQs, or anything) on the subject to help me get up to speed on both the theory and general practice? any assistance would be greatly appreciated. post to group, mail me directly, whatever. my sincerest thanks, Michael S. O'Donnell mso@bus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Dec 5 14: 8:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.mv.net (mercury.mv.net [199.125.85.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9324814D02 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 14:08:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paulc@visual.mv.com) Received: from visualsa (bnh-1-47.mv.com [199.125.99.47]) by mercury.mv.net (8.8.8/mem-971025) with SMTP id RAA06386; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 17:08:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000a01bf3f6d$abcbab60$2f637dc7@visualsa> From: "Paul Courchene" To: Cc: Subject: Operating Systems and Embedded Stuff Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 17:08:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF3F43.683621C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF3F43.683621C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Saw your posting on FreeBSD listing. While my comments are not pure FreeBSD oriented, but take them in = context. Since you mentioned Embedded, Operating Systems, Hardware (or EE) and other stuff,=20 I couldn't resist the following recommendation for a book A new book on the market, (few weeks) is entitled" An Embedded Software Primer, by: David Simon, by Addison Wesley, ISBN: 0-201-61569-X, $39.95 I am very much like you, I want to learn more about Embedded (software) work, Operating Systems per se', EE and etc. I just finished this book and it is excellent, in that context. A diehard FreeBSD'er may not like it, but we have to consider context. This book talks about general "embedded " stuff that you need to know,=20 also hardware issues like using Flash, EEPROM, RAM, and other memory = issues. Basic software building blocks such as Semaphores, Interrupts, Shared = memory, Queues, FIFOs and other ways to park or handle data are all covered. Of course microprocessors are covered in the practical sense. Use of tools such as debuggers, Cross compilers, Assemblers,=20 In Circuit Emulators (ICE) and other things are well covered. I am very interested in Embedded software and Real Time Operating = systems thus this book turned out to be =20 "so much fun to read" I am starting over just to reinforce some stuff. While not a big deal for some, the examples of software or C like code fragments are fun to me. I like to read code as examples. Sort of "heres one way to do it"... Another book that is really good also, is: The Art Of Programming Embedded Systems, by Jack Ganssle, ISBN: 0-12-274880-8 While this book is of 1992 vintage, it still has a lot of "building = block" stuff in it, in the context of Operating Systems and Embedded Software. Both books are readily available in Barnes and Nobles or Borders ... Any other comments?=20 paulc ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF3F43.683621C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello
Saw your posting on FreeBSD = listing.
While my comments are not pure FreeBSD = oriented,=20 but take them in context.
 
Since you mentioned Embedded, Operating = Systems,
Hardware (or EE) and other stuff, =
I couldn't resist the following = recommendation for=20 a book
 
A new book on the market, (few weeks) = is=20 entitled"
 
An Embedded Software = Primer,
by: David Simon, by Addison = Wesley,
ISBN: 0-201-61569-X, = $39.95
 
I am very much like you, I want to = learn more about=20 Embedded (software)
work, Operating Systems per se', EE and = etc.
 
I just finished this book and it is = excellent, in=20 that context.
A diehard FreeBSD'er may not like it, = but we have=20 to consider context.
 
This book talks about general "embedded = " stuff=20 that you need to know,
also hardware issues like using Flash, = EEPROM, RAM,=20 and other memory issues.
Basic software building blocks such as = Semaphores,=20 Interrupts, Shared memory,
Queues, FIFOs and other ways to park or = handle data=20 are all covered.
 
Of course microprocessors are covered = in the=20 practical sense.
 
Use of tools such as debuggers, Cross = compilers,=20 Assemblers,
In Circuit Emulators (ICE) and other = things are=20 well covered.
 
I am very interested in Embedded = software and Real=20 Time Operating systems
thus this book turned out to be =
"so much fun=20 to read" I am starting over just to reinforce some stuff.
 
While not a big deal for some, the = examples of=20 software
or C like code fragments are fun to me. = I like to=20 read code as examples.
Sort of "heres one way to do = it"...
 
Another book that is really good also,=20 is:
The Art Of Programming Embedded=20 Systems,
by Jack Ganssle,
ISBN: 0-12-274880-8
 
While this book is of 1992 vintage, it = still has a=20 lot of "building block" stuff in it,
in the context of Operating Systems and = Embedded=20 Software.
 
Both books are readily available in = Barnes and=20 Nobles or
Borders ...
 
Any other comments? 
 
paulc
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF3F43.683621C0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Dec 7 19: 1:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from va.boernenet.com (va.boernenet.com [216.3.224.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7320114F36 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:01:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jacktrip@boernenet.com) Received: (qmail 3645 invoked from network); 8 Dec 1999 03:07:22 -0000 Received: from fw.boernenet.com (HELO tech0) (user3912@216.3.224.7) by va.boernenet.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 1999 03:07:22 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01bf4128$fe7c00a0$0200a8c0@boernenet.com> From: "jacktrip" To: Subject: Adding users Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 21:04:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01BF40F6.B3BFFEE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BF40F6.B3BFFEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm tyring to add a user to my disk for terminal use. I don't want the = people on the terminals to have any access to anything on the machine, = and so i'm useing ssh to forward them to some other machine. I got ssh = to work, and i got the terminals to work (whoop!), and now i'm to the = part where i want to add a second user. I've tried adding them to = master.passwd and group, but when I try to login as them it just goes = back to login. Not asking for a password or anything. I don't know = what else to try, but I'm certain that the lines are correct in group = and master.passwd. My second question is how to take off the kernel config portion and the = first message (PicoBSD @VER@ (DIALUP) stuff). I don't want my users to = know it's picobsd or to login as root. =20 Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks. Dustin ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BF40F6.B3BFFEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
I'm tyring to add a user to my disk for = terminal=20 use.  I don't want the people on the terminals to have any access = to=20 anything on the machine, and so i'm useing ssh to forward them to some = other=20 machine.  I got ssh to work, and i got the terminals to work = (whoop!), and=20 now i'm to the part where i want to add a second user.  I've tried = adding=20 them to master.passwd and group, but when I try to login as them it just = goes=20 back to login.  Not asking for a password or anything.  I = don't know=20 what else to try, but I'm certain that the lines are correct in group = and=20 master.passwd.
 
My second question is how to take off = the kernel=20 config portion and the first message (PicoBSD @VER@ (DIALUP) = stuff).  I=20 don't want my users to know it's picobsd or to login as root. =20
 
Any help would be much = appreciated.
 
Thanks.
Dustin
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BF40F6.B3BFFEE0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Dec 14 15: 2: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from skye.elocom.ch (pi.elocom.ch [212.101.5.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1908214C35 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:01:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pi@elocom.ch) Received: from localhost (localhost.elocom.ch [127.0.0.1]) by skye.elocom.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA57059 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:01:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pi@elocom.ch) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:01:58 +0100 (CET) From: Reto Trachsel To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: X Window via NFS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi=20 Is it posible to boot a system with a PicoBSD version and run on this system a X-Window (Ressources vi NFS)? Regards =09Reto Trachsel /=A8\ ASCII-Ribon Campaign \ / =A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8=A8 x No HTML or WORD in Mails / \ HTML is for WEB, Word is for Micro$oft. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Dec 14 17:43:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from tigger.nu.org (alicia1.zip.com.au [61.8.19.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F95314FAF for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:42:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vance@nu.org) Received: by tigger.nu.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 545B727B; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:41:59 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:41:59 +1100 From: Christopher Vance To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: firewall, ipnat Message-ID: <19991215124159.A73250@nu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am currently using an old 386 as a dialout firewall using picoBSD, a (slightly modified) dial configuration and some ipfw rules. (My wife uses MS Win98 behind this machine, and I don't trust MS software, hence pBSD...) The firewall has 8M of memory, and I'd rather not use any of the 40M hard disk, which is dedicated to MS WFW311 when the network is disconnected. I currently boot off a floppy and leave the hard disk alone. I can't find any way to tell IE5 on MSW98 to use passive ftp, and I want to keep the firewall rules as tight as possible, so it looks like I need some sort of FTP proxy. (My ISP doesn't seem to have a visible FTP proxy I can use, although I could ask further. I'd also rather avoid reliance on 3rd parties, as much as possible.) Currently I run ipfw on the firewall, but am considering a change to ipf and ipnat, since ipnat appears to have a builtin ftp proxy which is ipf-friendly. So what is this to all you? 1) Has anybody used ipf/ipnat with picoBSD? 2) How much disk space did you need beyond basic pBSD? 3) Did your configuration work? 4) Any suggestions? -- Christopher Vance To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Dec 15 9: 5:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E534C15238 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:05:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04201; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:06:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199912151806.TAA04201@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: some picobsd things To: small@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:06:29 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, while trying to revise picobsd configuration etc, i notice a fair amount of space on the boot floppy is eaten by: 1) the loader configuration files in /boot 2) the files in /etc For #1, it appears that we can save gzipped versions of these files on the floppy, and the loader is happy to read them without any problem so i would suggest for post-3.4R the above change to the "stage1" script. This saves some 15-20KB i think For #2, i was just made aware of the existence of "minigzip" which can be probably used when extracting most things from the /etc/ directory on the floppy, and then used back during the "update" phase ? cheers luigi -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ngc99/ ==== First International Workshop on Networked Group Communication ==== -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Dec 15 9:40:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from gta.com (mailgate.gta.com [199.120.225.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D872F150E4 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:40:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lab@gta.com) Received: from gta.com (GTA internal mail system) by gta.com id MAA22845; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:44:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:44:03 -0500 (EST) From: Larry Baird Message-Id: <199912151744.MAA22845@gta.com> To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: some picobsd things User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980818 ("Laura") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.3-STABLE (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > while trying to revise picobsd configuration etc, i notice a > fair amount of space on the boot floppy is eaten by: > 1) the loader configuration files in /boot > 2) the files in /etc > For #1, it appears that we can save gzipped versions of these files > on the floppy, and the loader is happy to read them without any problem > so i would suggest for post-3.4R the above change to the "stage1" script. > This saves some 15-20KB i think If you use the utility kgzip you can get rid of the loader all together, Kgzip is very similar to our old friend gzip except if works for ELF. From the man page The kgzip utility compresses a kernel or some other bootable binary. Operation is in two phases as follows: 1. A load image of the executable file is built which omits all but the `text' and `data' segments. This image is compressed using gzip(1) and output as data in relocatable object format. 2. The object file is linked with a special self-hosting loader, pro- ducing an executable suitable for booting with either the second- or third-level bootstraps. Supported input formats are ELF and a.out ZMAGIC; the output format is always ELF. Only 32-bit objects are supported. > For #2, i was just made aware of the existence of "minigzip" which > can be probably used when extracting most things from the /etc/ directory > on the floppy, and then used back during the "update" phase ? Using kgzip should get rid of the need for this. FYI, GNAT Box is using gkzip without /boot/loader. This approach allowed us to cram a lot of stuff onto the GNAT Box floppy. And as a bonus since the binaries on MFS_ROOT are resident in memory unzipped after booting all normal demand paging rules for text applies. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Larry Baird Global Technology Associates, Inc. | Orlando, FL Email: lab@gta.com | TEL 407-380-0220, FAX 407-380-6080 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Dec 15 10: 5:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7582015523 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:05:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07250; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:05:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199912151905.UAA07250@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: some picobsd things In-Reply-To: <199912151744.MAA22845@gta.com> from Larry Baird at "Dec 15, 1999 12:44:03 pm" To: Larry Baird Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:05:52 +0100 (CET) Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Larry, First, thanks for the precious suggestion. I am a bit unclear on how to use kgzip -- on 3.x/4.x, and with the execption of the boot loader, picobsd is mostly made of the following parts + the kernel, kernel.gz + the fs image, fs.PICOBSD.gz + a (relatively small, but modifiable) filesystem on the floppy. The loader knows how to decompress files on the fly, so i can keep compressed both loader config files (ok, with kgzip you might get rid of them altogether) and kernel and fs.PICOBSD. I find it particularly useful to keep the three pieces separate so i can update the fs without having to rebuild the kernel, and make small changes on the floppy without having to rebuild fs.PICOBSD How would i do the above with kgzip ? cheers luigi > FYI, GNAT Box is using gkzip without /boot/loader. This approach > allowed us to cram a lot of stuff onto the GNAT Box floppy. And > as a bonus since the binaries on MFS_ROOT are resident in memory > unzipped after booting all normal demand paging rules for text applies. > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Larry Baird > Global Technology Associates, Inc. | Orlando, FL > Email: lab@gta.com | TEL 407-380-0220, FAX 407-380-6080 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Dec 15 11:29: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9283C1558A for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:28:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p22-dn03kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [210.232.224.151]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) with ESMTP id EAA26269; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 04:28:49 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3857E1C4.B0CCCD06@newsguy.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 03:45:24 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: some picobsd things References: <199912151806.TAA04201@info.iet.unipi.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > while trying to revise picobsd configuration etc, i notice a > fair amount of space on the boot floppy is eaten by: > 1) the loader configuration files in /boot > > For #1, it appears that we can save gzipped versions of these files > on the floppy, and the loader is happy to read them without any problem > so i would suggest for post-3.4R the above change to the "stage1" script. > This saves some 15-20KB i think It seems picobsd is using rather fancy scripts with loader. I don't think we need them any more than we need rc/rc.conf. Take a look at loader.rc that Greg is using with his new PicoBSD build. It's a streamed down version that has just what you need (assuming you don't need to configure kernel/save settings). -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) who is as social as a wampas dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Dec 15 11:39:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from patrick.whetstonelogic.com (patrick.whetstonelogic.com [205.252.46.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B8314C09 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:39:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patrick@patrick.whetstonelogic.com) Received: (from patrick@localhost) by patrick.whetstonelogic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA62713; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:34:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from patrick) Message-Id: <199912151934.OAA62713@patrick.whetstonelogic.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:34:54 -0500 (EST) From: patrick@whetstonelogic.com Subject: Re: some picobsd things To: dcs@newsguy.com Cc: luigi@info.iet.unipi.it, small@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3857E1C4.B0CCCD06@newsguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 16 Dec, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Luigi Rizzo wrote: >> >> while trying to revise picobsd configuration etc, i notice a >> fair amount of space on the boot floppy is eaten by: >> 1) the loader configuration files in /boot >> >> For #1, it appears that we can save gzipped versions of these files >> on the floppy, and the loader is happy to read them without any problem >> so i would suggest for post-3.4R the above change to the "stage1" script. >> This saves some 15-20KB i think > > It seems picobsd is using rather fancy scripts with loader. I don't > think we need them any more than we need rc/rc.conf. Take a look at > loader.rc that Greg is using with his new PicoBSD build. It's a streamed > down version that has just what you need (assuming you don't need to > configure kernel/save settings). A little background information from my research on this... The fancy scripts were added to allow for using Forth as a way to develop the rc/rc.conf material and to configure kernel and save settings. It was a first step that hasn't gone any farther. I've been learning Forth to build upon it, but I'm not there yet. Adding ficl was a small price to pay for allowing us to use it in user space. I believe the mail trail was named "Unified Configuration Interface". Patrick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Dec 15 12:41:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from patrick.whetstonelogic.com (patrick.whetstonelogic.com [205.252.46.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B713155B1 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:41:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patrick@patrick.whetstonelogic.com) Received: (from patrick@localhost) by patrick.whetstonelogic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA62929 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:38:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from patrick) Message-Id: <199912152038.PAA62929@patrick.whetstonelogic.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:38:08 -0500 (EST) From: patrick@whetstonelogic.com Subject: PC/104 ethernet cards To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Similar things have been asked, but I couldn't find any specifics... Are there any PC/104 ethernet card that is known to work with picoBSD? For example, Micro/Sys has ethernet cards, but they don't say if they are NE2000 compatible or not. I don't want to keep buying them until I know they work. Patrick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Dec 15 15:49:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from ns6.icdc.com (ns6.icdc.com [208.244.152.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6DA1561F for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:49:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mghughes18@mailin.icdc.com) Received: from [208.244.157.156] (peco.136.goliath.icdc.com [208.244.157.156]) by ns6.icdc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA16656; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:43:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912152343.SAA16656@ns6.icdc.com> Subject: Re: some picobsd things Date: Wed, 15 Dec 99 18:50:14 -0500 x-sender: mghughes18@mailin.icdc.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Michael G Hughes To: "Luigi Rizzo" Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >For #1, it appears that we can save gzipped versions of these files >on the floppy, and the loader is happy to read them without any problem >so i would suggest for post-3.4R the above change to the "stage1" script. >This saves some 15-20KB i think Why not have them processed into a tokenized form? That should save space... If the files remain somewhat constant or infrequently touched that should be no problem, except if they need editing which could be solved easy enough by embedding a token to text converter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Dec 15 16: 0:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from pogo.caustic.org (pogo.caustic.org [206.170.14.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FE615403 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:00:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jan@caustic.org) Received: from localhost (jan@localhost) by pogo.caustic.org (8.9.3/ignatz) with ESMTP id QAA01786 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:00:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:00:09 -0800 (PST) From: "f.johan.beisser" To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: problems building ppp, passwd Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG in trying to build the "net admin tool" version of picobsd, i've found continous problems with the code for ppp and passwd. any ideas on how i can fix this? thanks for your help, -- jan a sample of the error: cc -static -o crunch1 crunch1.o sh.lo test.lo echo.lo hostname.lo ln.lo login.lo getty.lo stty.lo inetd.lo telnetd.lo w.lo msg.lo kget.lo reboot.lo init.lo ifconfig.lo df.lo sps.lo ns.lo vm.lo cat.lo cp.lo rm.lo mknod.lo chmod.lo chown.lo mkdir.lo ls.lo syslogd.lo sysctl.lo route.lo pwd_mkdb.lo dev_mkdb.lo mount.lo mount_msdos.lo umount.lo kill.lo mount_std.lo natd.lo pwd.lo ppp.lo telnet.lo more.lo passwd.lo date.lo mount_cd9660.lo mount_nfs.lo ping.lo traceroute.lo routed.lo ipfw.lo -lncurses -lmytinfo -lipx -lz -lpcap -lalias -lwrap -ledit -lutil -lmd -lcrypt -lmp -lgmp -lm -lkvm -lgnuregex -ltelnet -lradius ppp.lo: In function `chap_BuildAnswer': ppp.lo(.text+0x5c70): undefined reference to `mschap_LANMan' ppp.lo(.text+0x5ceb): undefined reference to `mschap_NT' ppp.lo: In function `ID0NgMkSockNode': ppp.lo(.text+0x127e4): undefined reference to `NgMkSockNode' ppp.lo: In function `ether_Write': ppp.lo(.text+0x27558): undefined reference to `NgSendData' ppp.lo: In function `ether_Read': ppp.lo(.text+0x2758a): undefined reference to `NgRecvData' ppp.lo: In function `ether_MessageIn': ppp.lo(.text+0x277af): undefined reference to `NgRecvMsg' ppp.lo: In function `ether_Create': ppp.lo(.text+0x27d2a): undefined reference to `NgSendMsg' ppp.lo(.text+0x27d6c): undefined reference to `NgRecvMsg' ppp.lo(.text+0x27f86): undefined reference to `NgSendMsg' ppp.lo(.text+0x2807f): undefined reference to `NgSendMsg' ppp.lo(.text+0x28129): undefined reference to `NgSendMsg' *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. --> Error 1 code crunch Error while building ../net/crunch1... -> Aborting ./stage1 +-----// f. johan beisser //------------------------------+ email: jan[at]caustic.org web: http://www.caustic.org/~jan "knowledge is power. power corrupts. study hard, be evil." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Dec 15 17:35:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from cricket.diploma.ru (cricket.diploma.ru [193.232.112.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A3B14BC9 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:35:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sh@diploma.ru) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cricket.diploma.ru (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA13103; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 04:13:11 +0300 (MSK) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:34:07 -0800 (PST) From: sh X-Sender: sh@sh.liquidaudio.com To: "f.johan.beisser" Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problems building ppp, passwd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi I have an idea :-) Just grab "nm" and ask every file in /usr/lib if it has the symbolic names shown in your error messages from "cc". Then put these files into libraries and you should be fine. Sergey On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, f.johan.beisser wrote: > > in trying to build the "net admin tool" version of picobsd, i've found > continous problems with the code for ppp and passwd. > > any ideas on how i can fix this? > > thanks for your help, > -- jan > > a sample of the error: > > cc -static -o crunch1 crunch1.o sh.lo test.lo echo.lo hostname.lo ln.lo > login.lo getty.lo stty.lo inetd.lo telnetd.lo w.lo msg.lo kget.lo > reboot.lo init.lo ifconfig.lo df.lo sps.lo ns.lo vm.lo cat.lo cp.lo rm.lo > mknod.lo chmod.lo chown.lo mkdir.lo ls.lo syslogd.lo sysctl.lo route.lo > pwd_mkdb.lo dev_mkdb.lo mount.lo mount_msdos.lo umount.lo kill.lo > mount_std.lo natd.lo pwd.lo ppp.lo telnet.lo more.lo passwd.lo date.lo > mount_cd9660.lo mount_nfs.lo ping.lo traceroute.lo routed.lo ipfw.lo > -lncurses -lmytinfo -lipx -lz -lpcap -lalias -lwrap -ledit -lutil -lmd > -lcrypt -lmp -lgmp -lm -lkvm -lgnuregex -ltelnet -lradius > ppp.lo: In > function `chap_BuildAnswer': > ppp.lo(.text+0x5c70): undefined reference to `mschap_LANMan' > ppp.lo(.text+0x5ceb): undefined reference to `mschap_NT' > ppp.lo: In function `ID0NgMkSockNode': To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Dec 15 20:47: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from cobra.i3s.net (cobra.i3s.net [209.27.200.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF5D14DC7 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:46:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jjg@bbnow.net) Received: from bbnow.net - 24.219.7.182 by i3s.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:46:45 -0600 Message-ID: <38586E60.77971C6B@bbnow.net> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:45:20 -0600 From: Nathan Zornes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: firewall, ipnat References: <19991215124159.A73250@nu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Christopher Vance wrote: > I am currently using an old 386 as a dialout firewall using picoBSD, a > (slightly modified) dial configuration and some ipfw rules. > (My wife uses MS Win98 behind this machine, and I don't trust MS > software, hence pBSD...) > The firewall has 8M of memory, and I'd rather not use any of the 40M > hard disk, which is dedicated to MS WFW311 when the network is > disconnected. I currently boot off a floppy and leave the hard disk > alone. > I can't find any way to tell IE5 on MSW98 to use passive ftp, and I > want to keep the firewall rules as tight as possible, so it looks like > I need some sort of FTP proxy. (My ISP doesn't seem to have a visible > FTP proxy I can use, although I could ask further. I'd also rather > avoid reliance on 3rd parties, as much as possible.) Given the fact you would like to avoid third parties, is it not an option to have the clients use Netscape(passive ftp by default) or MSIE ( I think passive ftp by default) in order to make ftp connections? > Currently I run ipfw on the firewall, but am considering a change to > ipf and ipnat, since ipnat appears to have a builtin ftp proxy which > is ipf-friendly. I had a similar configuration. I do not run an ftp proxy. But I know that the clients behind my firewall are able to perform ftp transactions with no problems uploading or downloading with Netscape. I highly suggest using the combination of ipf and ipnat. I have used it on FreeBSD, Solaris Sparc, and Solaris x86 platforms. The "keep state" feature is pretty cool. Cheers, Nathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Dec 16 0:38:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1194114F0C for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:38:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13499; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:39:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199912160939.KAA13499@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: some picobsd things In-Reply-To: <199912152343.SAA16656@ns6.icdc.com> from Michael G Hughes at "Dec 15, 1999 06:50:14 pm" To: Michael G Hughes Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:39:23 +0100 (CET) Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >For #1, it appears that we can save gzipped versions of these files > >on the floppy, and the loader is happy to read them without any problem > >so i would suggest for post-3.4R the above change to the "stage1" script. > >This saves some 15-20KB i think > > Why not have them processed into a tokenized form? That should save > space... because i dont want to reinvent the wheel with a specific compression algorithm (tokenized form) when it would only give me 5% savings over a generic gzip thing that is already supported. I want something quick and easy not something perfect. cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Dec 16 5:56:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from linux.intcon.net (linux.intcon.net [206.230.48.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB59A14E08 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 05:56:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rob@geoenergycorp.com) Received: from InterJet.geoenergycorp.com (ip1.geoenergycorp.com [206.230.53.65]) by linux.intcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA06056 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 07:56:10 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by InterJet.geoenergycorp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA12701 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:10:10 GMT Message-Id: <199912161510.PAA12701@InterJet.geoenergycorp.com> Received: from hercules.geoenergycorp.com(149.180.115.18), claiming to be "hercules" via SMTP by InterJet.geoenergycorp.com, id smtpdS12699; Thu Dec 16 15:10:04 1999 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 07:45:10 -0600 (CST) From: Rob Piepul Reply-To: Rob Piepul Subject: subscribe freebsd-small To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: 0lUGfUETqKuzPOOUcx8rbw== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.1 CDE Version 1.2.1 SunOS 5.6 sun4u sparc Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-small To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Dec 16 6:51:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from edna.bus.net (edna.bus.net [207.41.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D72514FA4 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 06:51:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mso@bus.net) Received: from bus.net (94.ct6.dyn.connix.net [209.66.144.229]) by edna.bus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19402; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:51:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mso@bus.net) Message-ID: <3858FCA7.6ADB56DC@bus.net> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:52:23 -0500 From: "Michael S. O'Donnell" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: patrick@whetstonelogic.com Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC/104 ethernet cards References: <199912152038.PAA62929@patrick.whetstonelogic.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------5A401273683D2F9C1DA3BE34" Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --------------5A401273683D2F9C1DA3BE34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Are there any PC/104 ethernet card that is known to work with picoBSD? > For example, Micro/Sys has ethernet cards, but they don't say if they > are NE2000 compatible or not. I don't want to keep buying them until I > know they work. > i don't know it to work with pico but they do claim NE2000 compatability: http://www.ampro.com/products/minimod/mmses.htm in the next couple of months i'll be starting a project using pico and either PC/104, PC/104+, or EBX and would appreciate any info on brands/models you know i should avoid if i wish to use PicoBSD. any other insights/notes you have on these platforms would also be appreciated (this goes out to all you kids in radioland....derrr...ummm....people on mailing list). thanks, Michael O' --------------5A401273683D2F9C1DA3BE34 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
  Are there any PC/104 ethernet card that is known to work with picoBSD?
  For example, Micro/Sys has ethernet cards, but they don't say if they
  are NE2000 compatible or not.  I don't want to keep buying them until I
  know they work.


i don't know it to work with pico but they do claim NE2000 compatability:

http://www.ampro.com/products/minimod/mmses.htm
 

in the next couple of months i'll be starting a project using pico and either PC/104, PC/104+, or EBX and would appreciate any info on brands/models you know i should avoid if i wish to use PicoBSD.  any other insights/notes you have on these platforms would also be appreciated (this goes out to all you kids in radioland....derrr...ummm....people on mailing list).

thanks,
Michael O' --------------5A401273683D2F9C1DA3BE34-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Dec 16 8:38:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.lublin.pl (mx1.lublin.pl [212.182.63.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7573514F3E for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:38:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zuntum@lagoon.FreeBSD.lublin.pl) Received: from lagoon.freebsd.lublin.pl ([212.182.117.180]:50704 "HELO lagoon.FreeBSD.lublin.pl") by krupik.man.lublin.pl with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:37:28 +0100 Received: (qmail 28462 invoked by uid 1109); 16 Dec 1999 16:40:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:40:38 +0100 From: Tomasz Luchowski To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems building ppp, passwd Message-ID: <19991216174038.A28364@lagoon.FreeBSD.lublin.pl> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 04:00:09PM -0800, f.johan.beisser wrote: > > in trying to build the "net admin tool" version of picobsd, i've found > continous problems with the code for ppp and passwd. I got _exactly_ the same errors when trying to build "generic" picobsd-net. But I don't know what to do to fix it. > +-----// f. johan beisser //------------------------------+ -- ## zuntum && zuntum@IRCnet ## ## Homepage -- http://FreeBSD.lublin.pl/~zuntum ## To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Dec 21 18:20:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail4.mmcable.com (fe4.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A98E514DF4 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:20:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jss@subatomix.com) Received: from mail.subatomix.com ([24.94.234.115]) by mail4.mmcable.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:11:44 -0600 Received: from Spooler by mail.subatomix.com (Mercury/32 v2.16); 21 Dec 99 20:22:29 -0600 Received: from spooler by mail.subatomix.com (Mercury/32 v2.16); 21 Dec 99 20:22:24 -0600 Received: from quark (24.94.234.13) by mail.subatomix.com (Mercury/32 v2.16); 21 Dec 99 20:22:20 -0600 Message-ID: <003c01bf4c22$46da1680$0dea5e18@mmcable.com> From: "Jeffrey S. Sharp" To: Subject: DiskOnChip and PicoBSD in General Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:14:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've been recently thrown into the embedded development world, which has proven to be quite interesting. I've used FreeBSD before (but not currently and not as an embedded OS), but only discovered PicoBSD tonight. WOW. It would sure beat having to use ROM-DOS (shudder) in my company's upcoming new project! I have some questions: 1. It looks like FreeBSD (and thus PicoBSD, I assume) has integrated support for M-Systems DiskOnChip products as of 3.3. Can one configure PicoBSD to boot off of one? 2. I found info for making PicoBSD floppies, but not any for making ROM images -- other than the fact that you can. Where might I find out how to do this? 3. What kind of boot image will need to be made for a M-Systems DiskOnChip? Thanks in advance for any help that you can give me. -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss@subatomix.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Dec 21 18:31:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE95414C9D for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 18:31:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18123; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:31:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA29081; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:31:49 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199912220231.TAA29081@harmony.village.org> To: "Jeffrey S. Sharp" Subject: Re: DiskOnChip and PicoBSD in General Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:14:28 CST." <003c01bf4c22$46da1680$0dea5e18@mmcable.com> References: <003c01bf4c22$46da1680$0dea5e18@mmcable.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:31:49 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <003c01bf4c22$46da1680$0dea5e18@mmcable.com> "Jeffrey S. Sharp" writes: : 1. It looks like FreeBSD (and thus PicoBSD, I assume) has integrated : support for M-Systems DiskOnChip products as of 3.3. Can one configure : PicoBSD to boot off of one? Yes. I believe so. I'm booted off a 48M DOC2k right now on my test bench. Well, actually, I would be if I wasn't booted off the 64M compact flash card of the other sbc we use. : 3. What kind of boot image will need to be made for a M-Systems : DiskOnChip? Should be just the same as for the floppy, with different device support. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Dec 22 6:55:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from psasolar.colltech.com (psasolar.colltech.com [208.229.236.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C7D415576 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 06:55:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nvp@colltech.com) Received: (from nvp@localhost) by psasolar.colltech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/not) id IAA25405; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:55:44 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:55:43 -0500 From: Nathan Patwardhan To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org, freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: PicoBSD and sysinstall Message-ID: <19991222095543.B25359@colltech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi there, I've been tooling around with PicoBSD under 3.x-STABLE and am curious how to boot sysinstall instead of init. To date, I've been working with the boot_crunch.conf.generic crunchgen "script" and a "custom" version of the "dial" PicoBSD distribution; so far, I can build an image that "seems" to have a /stand/sysinstall or /stand/init but when I boot with a '-v' option: /stand/oinit, /stand/init, /stand/sysinstall and /stand/sysinstall.bak aren't found and I'm prompted that the system will auto reboot in 15 seconds. *sigh* What might I be missing here? I do recall a similar posting to the freebsd-small mailing list awhile back but I wonder if there's an easier way. -- _ _ |_| Collective |_| Nathan V. Patwardhan |_ technologies _| Collective Technologies, Team Yankee [] [] "The Power Of Many Minds" http://www.colltech.com -- Managing Systems and Networks -- "Bonus! The lack of multitasking is one of the most important reasons why DOS destroyed Unix in the marketplace." -- Scott Nudds To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Dec 22 13: 2:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mark.kingsu.ab.ca (mark.kingsu.ab.ca [199.185.113.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A1141559D for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:02:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bwood@KingsU.ab.ca) Received: from KingsU.ab.ca (kingsnet.kingsu.ab.ca [199.185.113.33]) by mark.kingsu.ab.ca (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA78494 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:02:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bwood@KingsU.ab.ca) Message-Id: <199912222102.OAA78494@mark.kingsu.ab.ca> Received: from KINGSNET/SpoolDir by KingsU.ab.ca (Mercury 1.44); 22 Dec 99 14:02:33 -0700 Received: from SpoolDir by KINGSNET (Mercury 1.44); 22 Dec 99 14:02:26 -0700 From: "Broderick Wood" Organization: The King's University College To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:02:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Generic X Client X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anyone got a disk image for a Generic X Client that would use DHCP to gather it's network Configuration? Looking for a basic Network Utility Setup to allow me to access my FreeBSD box to check connectivity and activity from anywhere on my network. --------------------------- -BMW- To soar like an eagle, fly like a dove. (bwood@kingsu.ab.ca) Broderick Wood, Director of Information Technology Services The King's University College 9125 - 50 Street Edmonton, Alberta T6B 2H3 (780) 465-8315 (780) 465-3534 (FAX) ><> <>< To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Dec 22 17:10:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D628D14D7F for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:10:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id LAA07919; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:40:52 +1030 (CST) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:40:52 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Nathan Patwardhan Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PicoBSD and sysinstall Message-ID: <19991223114052.Y1316@freebie.lemis.com> References: <19991222095543.B25359@colltech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <19991222095543.B25359@colltech.com> WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wednesday, 22 December 1999 at 9:55:43 -0500, Nathan Patwardhan wrote: > Hi there, > > I've been tooling around with PicoBSD under 3.x-STABLE and am curious > how to boot sysinstall instead of init. To date, I've been working > with the boot_crunch.conf.generic crunchgen "script" and a "custom" > version of the "dial" PicoBSD distribution; so far, I can build an > image that "seems" to have a /stand/sysinstall or /stand/init but when > I boot with a '-v' option: /stand/oinit, /stand/init, > /stand/sysinstall and /stand/sysinstall.bak aren't found and I'm > prompted that the system will auto reboot in 15 seconds. *sigh* > > What might I be missing here? I do recall a similar posting to the > freebsd-small mailing list awhile back but I wonder if there's an > easier way. At a guess, you've modified the loader scripts, and the loader isn't loading the MFS file system. I spent a few days tearing my hair out with this problem earlier this month. The method I settled on was to remove almost everything from /boot on the floppy. I'm left with: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root lemis 73470 Dec 20 13:19 loader -rw-r--r-- 1 root lemis 40 Dec 19 09:33 loader.rc loader is compressed with kgzip, so it might be slightly smaller. loader.rc contains: load kernel load -t mfs_root fs.PICOBSD You may find things easier if you update to a recent -CURRENT and use the picobsd/custom build tree as a basis. It's set to generate two floppies, but it doesn't have to be that way (just remove the hierarchy crunch2/ to generate a single floppy). Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Dec 22 19:50:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from psasolar.colltech.com (psasolar.colltech.com [208.229.236.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B4414DDF for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:50:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nvp@colltech.com) Received: (from nvp@localhost) by psasolar.colltech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/not) id VAA20581; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:32:23 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:32:22 -0500 From: Nathan Patwardhan To: Greg Lehey Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PicoBSD and sysinstall Message-ID: <19991222223222.A20566@colltech.com> References: <19991222095543.B25359@colltech.com> <19991223114052.Y1316@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <19991223114052.Y1316@freebie.lemis.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Dec 23, 1999 at 11:40:52AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: : : At a guess, you've modified the loader scripts, and the loader isn't : loading the MFS file system. I spent a few days tearing my hair out : with this problem earlier this month. Actually, I didn't touch the loader scripts at all. : The method I settled on was to remove almost everything from /boot on : the floppy. I'm left with: EXCELLENT. This did exactly what I wanted it to! Thanks. -- _ _ |_| Collective |_| Nathan V. Patwardhan |_ technologies _| Collective Technologies, Team Yankee [] [] "The Power Of Many Minds" http://www.colltech.com -- Managing Systems and Networks -- "Bonus! The lack of multitasking is one of the most important reasons why DOS destroyed Unix in the marketplace." -- Scott Nudds To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Dec 23 2:51: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10786155EB for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 02:50:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA12483; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:52:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199912231152.MAA12483@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: any way to boot from compactflash ? To: small@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:52:19 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, does any of you know of hardware that can be used to boot a standard desktop system from a compactflash module ? The idea is to replace the (unreliable and small) floppies in the various picobsd boxes we have around. Most compactflash readers i have seen hook to the parallel port, plus i have no idea on how to program them. On the other hand, when i read advertisement of compactflash devices, they say things like "ATA compatible" which makes me think there must be a relatively simple way to emulate a disk with them... thanks luigi -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) Mobile +39-347-0373137 -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Dec 23 5:55:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from shemp.palomine.net (shemp.palomine.net [205.198.88.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF02214F1B for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 05:55:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjohnson@palomine.net) Received: (qmail 16458 invoked by uid 1000); 23 Dec 1999 13:54:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:54:51 -0500 From: Chris Johnson To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: any way to boot from compactflash ? Message-ID: <19991223085451.A16430@palomine.net> References: <199912231152.MAA12483@info.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <199912231152.MAA12483@info.iet.unipi.it>; from Luigi Rizzo on Thu, Dec 23, 1999 at 12:52:19PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Dec 23, 1999 at 12:52:19PM +0100, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > does any of you know of hardware that can be used to boot a standard desktop > system from a compactflash module ? The idea is to replace the (unreliable > and small) floppies in the various picobsd boxes we have around. Most > compactflash readers i have seen hook to the parallel port, plus i have no > idea on how to program them. On the other hand, when i read advertisement of > compactflash devices, they say things like "ATA compatible" which makes me > think there must be a relatively simple way to emulate a disk with them... Check this out: http://www.sandisk.com/oem/1.8drive.htm. It's a 3.5-inch IDE drive that uses CompactFlash instead of disks. You install it just like a regular IDE drive, and your computer can't tell the difference. Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Dec 23 6:50: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2861564F for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 06:49:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA30047; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:50:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Message-Id: <199912231450.JAA30047@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Luigi Rizzo , small@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: any way to boot from compactflash ? References: <199912231152.MAA12483@info.iet.unipi.it> <19991223085451.A16430@palomine.net> In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:54:51 EST." <19991223085451.A16430@palomine.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:50:07 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I don't know about CompactFlash in particular, which probably denotes a form factor, but I've got some systems that boot from flash which look like an IDE disk. In my case, I believe the flash has a form factor similar to a laptop IDE drive (e.g., a *really* small connector) and is just connected to an IDE interface. BTW, this is on a Pentium CompactPCI CPU board from Motorola. I believe it's also from SanDisk. I get this feeling that they've got the same sorta thing, wrapped up in differently shaped plastic. louie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Dec 23 6:53:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A592C15640 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 06:53:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13120; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 16:55:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199912231555.QAA13120@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: any way to boot from compactflash ? In-Reply-To: <199912231450.JAA30047@whizzo.transsys.com> from "Louis A. Mamakos" at "Dec 23, 1999 09:50:07 am" To: "Louis A. Mamakos" Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 16:55:12 +0100 (CET) Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I don't know about CompactFlash in particular, which probably denotes > a form factor, but I've got some systems that boot from flash which > look like an IDE disk. In my case, I believe the flash has a > form factor similar to a laptop IDE drive (e.g., a *really* small connector) > and is just connected to an IDE interface. > > BTW, this is on a Pentium CompactPCI CPU board from Motorola. I believe it's > also from SanDisk. I get this feeling that they've got the same sorta thing, > wrapped up in differently shaped plastic. the other msg in this thread suggested a product from SanDisk, but it is listed under OEM so i have no idea on how to get it... If there is a good soul on this list who can help get me one... thanks luigi -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) Mobile +39-347-0373137 -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Dec 23 7:41:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from shemp.palomine.net (shemp.palomine.net [205.198.88.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 61E27156E5 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 07:41:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjohnson@palomine.net) Received: (qmail 18065 invoked by uid 1000); 23 Dec 1999 15:41:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 10:41:09 -0500 From: Chris Johnson To: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: any way to boot from compactflash ? Message-ID: <19991223104109.A18037@palomine.net> References: <199912231450.JAA30047@whizzo.transsys.com> <199912231555.QAA13120@info.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <199912231555.QAA13120@info.iet.unipi.it>; from Luigi Rizzo on Thu, Dec 23, 1999 at 04:55:12PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Dec 23, 1999 at 04:55:12PM +0100, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > I don't know about CompactFlash in particular, which probably denotes > > a form factor, but I've got some systems that boot from flash which > > look like an IDE disk. In my case, I believe the flash has a > > form factor similar to a laptop IDE drive (e.g., a *really* small connector) > > and is just connected to an IDE interface. > > > > BTW, this is on a Pentium CompactPCI CPU board from Motorola. I believe it's > > also from SanDisk. I get this feeling that they've got the same sorta thing, > > wrapped up in differently shaped plastic. > > the other msg in this thread suggested a product from SanDisk, but it > is listed under OEM so i have no idea on how to get it... > > If there is a good soul on this list who can help get me one... http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00035415/02020955.htm Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Dec 23 8:28:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F50156A1 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:28:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA30642; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:28:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from louie@whizzo.transsys.com) Message-Id: <199912231628.LAA30642@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: any way to boot from compactflash ? References: <199912231555.QAA13120@info.iet.unipi.it> In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Dec 1999 16:55:12 +0100." <199912231555.QAA13120@info.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:28:55 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I don't know about CompactFlash in particular, which probably denotes > > a form factor, but I've got some systems that boot from flash which > > look like an IDE disk. In my case, I believe the flash has a > > form factor similar to a laptop IDE drive (e.g., a *really* small connector) > > and is just connected to an IDE interface. > > > > BTW, this is on a Pentium CompactPCI CPU board from Motorola. I believe it's > > also from SanDisk. I get this feeling that they've got the same sorta thing, > > wrapped up in differently shaped plastic. > > the other msg in this thread suggested a product from SanDisk, but it > is listed under OEM so i have no idea on how to get it... > > If there is a good soul on this list who can help get me one... If you've found the device you need in the OEM section, you can probably purchase it from one of their distributers. I took a quick look at the list, and at least in the US, I've personally bought stuff from Arrow Electronics. Most of the industrial distributers will sell to you and me; assuming you meet their minimum order, which is typicaly something like US$50 or US$100. In fact, in most cases they will accept a credit card number for payment. They had these Italian two distributers listed in their OEM "How to Buy" page: Italy - Contradata Milano SRL Tel: +390-39-230-1492 Fax: +390-39-230-1489 email: gdamian@contradata.it Italy - Tekelec Tel: +39-025803951 Fax: +39-0258039530 email: mcariati@tekelec.it I suspect they'd be happy to take your money. Most of these distributers are used to selling smaller quantities for engineering purposes, rather than insisting on huge quantities. louie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Dec 25 11:27:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail-smtp.socket.net (mail-smtp.socket.net [216.106.1.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC17715253 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 11:27:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vaevictus@socket.net) Received: from socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.1.7]) by mail-smtp.socket.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA32255 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:12:29 -0600 Received: from nathanm.office.socket.net ([216.106.0.22]) by socket.net ; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:03:56 -0600 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:00:58 -0600 (CST) From: Nathan Mahon X-Sender: vaevictus@nathanm.office.socket.net To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: any way to boot from compactflash ? In-Reply-To: <199912231152.MAA12483@info.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm using hardware that is basically an IDE device that you plug the flashcards into. They're PC-104 equipment, but we're using them soully as an IDE interface. I don't have the info right here with me, but if anyone's interested, I can go get it. :) n8 vaevictus@socket.net On Thu, 23 Dec 1999, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > Hi, > > does any of you know of hardware that can be used to boot > a standard desktop system from a compactflash module ? > The idea is to replace the (unreliable and small) floppies > in the various picobsd boxes we have around. > Most compactflash readers i have seen hook to the parallel port, > plus i have no idea on how to program them. On the > other hand, when i read advertisement of compactflash devices, > they say things like "ATA compatible" which makes me think there > must be a relatively simple way to emulate a disk with them... > > thanks > luigi > -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- > Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione > http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa > TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) > Mobile +39-347-0373137 > -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message