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i lied.  it was in current


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On Fri, 03 Sep 1999 17:32:10 -0400, W Gerald Hicks wrote:

> I find it more useful to use CVSup to maintain my local repository
> and use CVS to check out from that.  Why?  cvs log, cvs diff, etc.

I think you're confusing the issue, because Art was talking about
updating what seemed to be his only source tree. Updating your repo and
updating your source tree are two different things. In that scenario,
using two different tools is appropriate. :-)

Ciao,
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> > > Before  running  soffice for  the  first  time  -- apply  the  trick
> > > described by Andre Albsmeier on

> > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=432982+436209+/usr/local/www/db/text/1998/freebsd-hackers/19980628.freebsd-hackers

> > > to the freshly installed lib/libosl516li.so

> > > 	mv libosl516li.so libosl516li.so.bak
> > > 	sed -e 's,/proc/%u/cmdline,/compat/linux/so,' \
> > > 		< libosl516li.so.bak > libosl516li.so
> > > 	touch /compat/linux/so

> > I don't think this one is needed anymore ?!?

> It is. Without it, soffice keeps bringing up setup over and over instead
> of just starting the damn office.

Well, my copy calls this file libosl517li.so, and doing this "sed" trick on
it just makes it exit without doing anything. Not doing it gives me the
previously noted "can't get out of setup" problem. And my .sversionrc file
looked like it was fine.



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On Sun, 05 Sep 1999 08:20:26 -1000, "Art Neilson, KH7PZ" wrote:

> Speaking of which, how do I update ports-all if I'm tracking stable?
> I see only tag=. is valid for the ports tree, if I use that I get the
> most current ports?

Yes. The ports tree is not branched. Ports are expected to work properly
for HEAD (CURRENT) and RELENG_3 (STABLE), as well as releases taken off
the latter branch.

> Will the most current ports work with stable or do I need to go to
> freebsd-current?

Most of the most current ports should work with an up-to-date stable.
:-)

Later,
Sheldon.

> I tried compiling lsof after cvsuping my ports tree with tag=. and the
> make bombs with numerous complaints about stuff in /usr/include files
> on my FreeBSD 3.3-RC system.

You'd have to send mail to ports@freebsd.org (or send a PR) explaining
the exact error messages you got. :-)

> Is this just a problem with lsof or a more general problem
> with my ports updates not matching my OS release?

Probably just a problem with lsof, which has to know quite a lot about
the kernel.

Later,
Sheldon.


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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sun Sep  5 11:54: 0 1999
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indeed I was updating my only source tree and was confused regarding
"The Complete FreeBSD" book 3rd edition pg. 379 "Putting it all together"
the method presented in the book uses cvsup to update a source tree /ncvs
then uses 'cvs update -P -d' to update /usr/src from the /ncvs tree.
I only have /usr/src tree as I'm not doing any development and wanted the
simplest model to maintain.

Speaking of which, how do I update ports-all if I'm tracking stable?
I see only tag=. is valid for the ports tree, if I use that I get the
most current ports?  Will the most current ports work with stable or
do I need to go to freebsd-current?  I tried compiling lsof after
cvsuping my ports tree with tag=. and the make bombs with numerous
complaints about stuff in /usr/include files on my FreeBSD 3.3-RC
system.  Is this just a problem with lsof or a more general problem
with my ports updates not matching my OS release?


At 07:31 PM 09/05/1999 +0200, you wrote:
>
>
>On Fri, 03 Sep 1999 17:32:10 -0400, W Gerald Hicks wrote:
>
>> I find it more useful to use CVSup to maintain my local repository
>> and use CVS to check out from that.  Why?  cvs log, cvs diff, etc.
>
>I think you're confusing the issue, because Art was talking about
>updating what seemed to be his only source tree. Updating your repo and
>updating your source tree are two different things. In that scenario,
>using two different tools is appropriate. :-)
>
>Ciao,
>Sheldon.
>
>
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sun Sep  5 12: 2: 4 1999
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Today, i've cvsuped my 3.2 stable :

make world runs ok
but the kernel refuses to build during umoddi3.c 

=-=-=-=-=
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
(lot of such messages)
gensetdefs: pcic.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: pcic_p.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: pci.o: No such file or directory
(lot of...)
*** Error code 1

Stop
=-=-=-=-=

The only new cvsuped file in the /usr/sys tree is
usr/sys/i386/conf/Makefile.i386 (1.136.2.8)
-- 
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same here


On 5 Sep 1999, Eric Jacoboni wrote:

> Today, i've cvsuped my 3.2 stable :
>=20
> make world runs ok
> but the kernel refuses to build during umoddi3.c=20
>=20
> =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D
> ${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
> (lot of such messages)
> gensetdefs: pcic.o: No such file or directory
> gensetdefs: pcic_p.o: No such file or directory
> gensetdefs: pci.o: No such file or directory
> (lot of...)
> *** Error code 1
>=20
> Stop
> =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D
>=20
> The only new cvsuped file in the /usr/sys tree is
> usr/sys/i386/conf/Makefile.i386 (1.136.2.8)
> --=20
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> =C9ric Jacoboni       =AB No sport, cigars! =BB  (W. Churchill)
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>=20
>=20
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It exits with the below, I sup'ed 15 minutes ago.

kernel config attached.

cc -c -O -pipe -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit
-Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes
-Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wuninitialized -Wformat -Wunused
-fformat-extensions -ansi  -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include
-DKERNEL -DVM_STACK -include opt_global.h -elf  ../../libkern/umoddi3.c
gensetdefs: aic7xxx.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: 93cx6.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: ahc_pci.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: if_xl.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: pci.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: fb.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: atkbd.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: atkbdc.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: kbd.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: syscons.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: scvidctl.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: scvesactl.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: autoconf.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: atkbd_isa.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: atkbdc_isa.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: fd.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: isa.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: npx.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: pcibus.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: ppc.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: sio.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: syscons_isa.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: vesa.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: vga_isa.o: No such file or directory
*** Error code 1

Stop.
# 

/Jesper

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Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=FREEZE

machine		"i386"
cpu		"I686_CPU"
ident		FREEZE
maxusers	64

options		INET
options		FFS
options		FFS_ROOT
options		"CD9660"
options		"CD9660_ROOT"
options		PROCFS
options		"COMPAT_43"
options		SCSI_DELAY=4000
options		UCONSOLE
options		USERCONFIG
options		SOFTUPDATES
#options		NO_F00F_HACK
options		ICMP_BANDLIM
#options		VM86
#options		VESA

config		kernel	root on da0

controller	isa0
controller	pci0

controller	fdc0	at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2
disk		fd0	at fdc0 drive 0

controller	ahc0

controller	scbus0

device		da0

#device		sa0

device		pass0

device		cd0

controller	atkbdc0	at isa? port IO_KBD tty
device		atkbd0	at isa? tty irq 1
#device		psm0	at isa? tty irq 12

device		vga0	at isa? port ? conflicts

pseudo-device	splash

device		sc0	at isa? tty

device		npx0	at isa? port IO_NPX irq 13

device		sio0	at isa? port "IO_COM1" flags 0x10 tty irq 4
device		sio1	at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3

device		ppc0	at isa? port? flags 0x40 net irq 7
controller	ppbus0
device		lpt0	at ppbus?

device xl0

pseudo-device	loop
pseudo-device	ether
#pseudo-device	sl	1
#pseudo-device	ppp	1
#pseudo-device	tun	1
pseudo-device	pty	16
pseudo-device	gzip

options		KTRACE

options		SYSVSHM
options		SYSVMSG
options		SYSVSEM

pseudo-device	bpfilter 4

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I slept a little late, sorry guys. :)

It's fixed.

- Jordan

> Today, i've cvsuped my 3.2 stable :
> 
> make world runs ok
> but the kernel refuses to build during umoddi3.c 
> 
> =-=-=-=-=
> ${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
> (lot of such messages)
> gensetdefs: pcic.o: No such file or directory
> gensetdefs: pcic_p.o: No such file or directory
> gensetdefs: pci.o: No such file or directory
> (lot of...)
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop
> =-=-=-=-=
> 
> The only new cvsuped file in the /usr/sys tree is
> usr/sys/i386/conf/Makefile.i386 (1.136.2.8)
> -- 
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My last cvsup was at about 4:30pm EDT.  Here's the results.

${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
gensetdefs: aic7xxx.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: 93cx6.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: ahc_pci.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: if_xl.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: pci.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: fb.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: atkbd.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: atkbdc.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: kbd.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: syscons.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: scvidctl.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: scvesactl.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: autoconf.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: atkbd_isa.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: atkbdc_isa.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: fd.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: isa.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: npx.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: pcibus.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: pnp.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: ppc.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: psm.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: sio.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: dev_table.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: soundcard.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: sound_switch.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: audio.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: dmabuf.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: sys_timer.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: sequencer.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: patmgr.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: adlib_card.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: opl3.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: sb_card.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: sb_dsp.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: sb_midi.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: sb_mixer.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: midi_synth.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: midibuf.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: sb16_dsp.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: sb16_midi.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: syscons_isa.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: vesa.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: vga_isa.o: No such file or directory
gensetdefs: awe_wave.o: No such file or directory
*** Error code 1

(SOrry for the length, I wanted to show ALL the output.)

-Pat


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Quoting Gregory Bond (gnb@itga.com.au):
> The file frequently referred to previously (and even listed in UPDATING)
> 	http://www.freebsd.org/~rnordier/boot.txt
> is no longer available.  Where can I find this info?
did anyone suggest 

	/usr/src/sys/boot/README

> 
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sun Sep  5 15:30: 6 1999
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On Sun, Sep 05, 1999, Pat Young <xdice@mindspring.net> quoth:

[Problem output snipped for brevity.]

I cvsup'd again about 15 minutes ago.  All is now well.  My kernel built
just fine.

-Pat


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Hi,

When looking around in the rc-files to se how they work, I found that most
of  the deamons I want to change on my systems have rc-variables for the
image path, but I three of the more commonly replaced deamons, syslogd,
inetd and sendmail, didn't. I include the minute patches needed to add them
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*** defaults/rc.conf.orig	Mon Sep  6 00:40:54 1999
--- defaults/rc.conf	Mon Sep  6 00:42:59 1999
***************
*** 66,73 ****
--- 66,75 ----
  
  ### Network daemon (miscellaneous) & NFS options: ###
  syslogd_enable="YES"		# Run syslog daemon (or NO).
+ syslogd_program="syslogd"	# path to syslogd, if you want a different one.
  syslogd_flags=""		# Flags to syslogd (if enabled).
  inetd_enable="YES"		# Run the network daemon dispatcher (or NO).
+ inetd_program="inetd"		# path to inetd, if you want a different one.
  inetd_flags="-wW"		# Optional flags to inetd.
  #
  # named.  It may be possible to run named in a sandbox, man security for
***************
*** 200,205 ****
--- 202,208 ----
  usbd_enable="NO"	# Run the usbd daemon.
  usbd_flags=""		# Flags to usbd (if enabled).
  sendmail_enable="YES"	# Run the sendmail daemon (or NO).
+ sendmail_program="/usr/sbin/sendmail"	# path to sendmail, if you want a different one.
  sendmail_flags="-bd -q30m" # Flags to sendmail (if enabled)
  dumpdev="NO"		# Device name to crashdump to (if enabled).
  enable_quotas="NO"      # turn on quotas on startup (or NO).

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*** rc.orig	Mon Sep  6 00:43:12 1999
--- rc	Mon Sep  6 00:44:17 1999
***************
*** 226,232 ****
  	fi
  
  	rm -f /var/run/log
! 	echo -n ' syslogd';		syslogd ${syslogd_flags}
  fi
  echo '.'
  
--- 226,232 ----
  	fi
  
  	rm -f /var/run/log
! 	echo -n ' syslogd';		${syslogd_program} ${syslogd_flags}
  fi
  echo '.'
  
***************
*** 315,321 ****
  #
  echo -n starting standard daemons:
  if [ "X${inetd_enable}" != X"NO" ]; then
! 	echo -n ' inetd';	inetd ${inetd_flags}
  fi
  
  if [ "X${cron_enable}" != X"NO" ]; then
--- 315,321 ----
  #
  echo -n starting standard daemons:
  if [ "X${inetd_enable}" != X"NO" ]; then
! 	echo -n ' inetd';	${inetd_program} ${inetd_flags}
  fi
  
  if [ "X${cron_enable}" != X"NO" ]; then
***************
*** 327,333 ****
  fi
  
  if [ "X${sendmail_enable}" = X"YES" -a -r /etc/sendmail.cf ]; then
! 	echo -n ' sendmail';	/usr/sbin/sendmail ${sendmail_flags}
  fi
  
  if [ "X${usbd_enable}" = X"YES" ]; then
--- 327,333 ----
  fi
  
  if [ "X${sendmail_enable}" = X"YES" -a -r /etc/sendmail.cf ]; then
! 	echo -n ' sendmail';	${sendmail_program} ${sendmail_flags}
  fi
  
  if [ "X${usbd_enable}" = X"YES" ]; then

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Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote:
> 
> I am aware of this, but it's 17 hops over to cvsup6, 15 to cvsup2 and
> cvsup3, 19 to cvsup5,

Yow.  Time for a new ISP. :-)

> which have become a bit crowded the past month of so
> and cvsup5 was not listed when I last checked.

CVSup5 is the same as cvsup4 currently.

> With bbnplanet (and AT&T) in the path *and* since it happens during
> day mostly I'd rather think it's a network hiccup.

Sounds like it.

>>If it is then it's a problem with your network stack probably.  Try
>>multiplexed mode (the default in CVSup-16.0, which I see you're
>>using).  It's the best all-around mode to use, and it should work in
>>all situations.
> 
> I'll change to '-P m' then.

Or remove the "-P" option entirely.  The default in 16.0 is "-P m".

> Where does it store the temp files?  Memory?  Don't recall seeing
> any and don't have the source (only thing I don't compile).

It puts each one in the same directory where the real file will end
up.  Then it uses rename(2) to move it atomically into place after it
has been checked for validity.  There's some code that attempts to
clean up a temp file if you kill the program in the middle.  Usually
it works.

> Next time it happens I'll track down the offending file and check,
> but the last time the corrupted file was installed from CD and
> survived many builds.

If you have a pre-mangled file whose size and timestamp are correct,
CVSup won't check it until the next time it wants to update the file
-- that is, the next time somebody changes it in the repository.  That
could be a long time.

John
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src/release/texts/i386/RELNOTES.TXT
src/release/texts/i386/INSTALL.TXT
src/release/texts/i386/HARDWARE.TXT

1.28.2.1 Sat Sep 4 9:16:07 1999 by jkh 
Branch: RELENG_3

MFC: Move these into their architecture subdirectory.


gzip -9c /usr/src/release/../COPYRIGHT > /R/stage/mfsfd/stand/help/COPYRIGHT.hlp
.gz
for i in README.TXT RELNOTES.TXT INSTALL.TXT UPGRADE.TXT HARDWARE.TXT; do  gzip 
-9c /usr/src/release/texts/${i} > /R/stage/mfsfd/stand/help/${i}.gz; done
/usr/src/release/texts/RELNOTES.TXT: No such file or directory
*** Error code 1

Stop.



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> src/release/texts/i386/RELNOTES.TXT
> src/release/texts/i386/INSTALL.TXT
> src/release/texts/i386/HARDWARE.TXT
> 
> 1.28.2.1 Sat Sep 4 9:16:07 1999 by jkh 
> Branch: RELENG_3
> 
> MFC: Move these into their architecture subdirectory.
> 
> 
> gzip -9c /usr/src/release/../COPYRIGHT > /R/stage/mfsfd/stand/help/COPYRIGHT.
hlp
> .gz
> for i in README.TXT RELNOTES.TXT INSTALL.TXT UPGRADE.TXT HARDWARE.TXT; do  gz

You must have an outdated /usr/src/release/Makefile.  The copy loop looks
like this now:

        @for i in ${DIST_DOCS}; do \
          if [ -f ${.CURDIR}/texts/${MACHINE_ARCH}/$${i} ]; then \
             cp ${.CURDIR}/texts/${MACHINE_ARCH}/$${i} ${FD}; \
          else \
             cp ${.CURDIR}/texts/$${i} ${FD}; \
          fi; \
        done

- Jordan


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Today Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:

> You must have an outdated /usr/src/release/Makefile.  The copy loop looks
> like this now:
> 
>         @for i in ${DIST_DOCS}; do \
>           if [ -f ${.CURDIR}/texts/${MACHINE_ARCH}/$${i} ]; then \
>              cp ${.CURDIR}/texts/${MACHINE_ARCH}/$${i} ${FD}; \
>           else \
>              cp ${.CURDIR}/texts/$${i} ${FD}; \
>           fi; \
>         done
> 
> - Jordan

# $FreeBSD: src/release/Makefile,v 1.460.2.25 1999/09/05 21:06:10 jkh Exp $

under the ftp.1 and cdrom.t targets I have that, but under
release.8

    gzip -9c ${.CURDIR}/../COPYRIGHT > ${RD}/mfsfd/stand/help/COPYRIGHT.hlp.gz
    for i in README.TXT RELNOTES.TXT INSTALL.TXT UPGRADE.TXT HARDWARE.TXT; do \
       gzip -9c ${.CURDIR}/texts/$${i} > ${RD}/mfsfd/stand/help/$${i}.gz; done
    -test -f ${.CURDIR}/install.cfg && cp ${.CURDIR}/install.cfg ${RD}/mfsfd
    @mkdir -p ${RD}/mfsfd/boot
    @cp /boot/boot* ${RD}/mfsfd/boot
    @echo "Making the regular boot floppy."
    @tar --exclude CVS -cf - -C ${.CURDIR}/sysinstall help | \
        tar xf - -C ${RD}/mfsfd/stand


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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sun Sep  5 20:32:44 1999
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> under the ftp.1 and cdrom.t targets I have that, but under
> release.8

Sonofagun - you found one that's been broken in -current too! :-)

Thanks, needless to say, I thought you were talking about something
else and this one completely escaped my notice in both branches.
Fixed!

- Jordan


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This is what I love about FreeBSD...

I, too, experienced the same broken kernel build today. After watching my
fingers type 'make depend' to make sure I wasn't missing something, and then
trying GENERIC to make sure it wasn't something in my custom conf file, I
took the afternoon off and went to my Fantasy Football draft, knowing the
problem would soon be fixed...

Thanks, Jordan, to you and all the others committers for what is ALWAYS a
prompt response to problems. You guys do a heck of a job!

Thanks,

--Dan

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**  You can download FreeBSD with it!


-----Original Message-----
From: Jordan K. Hubbard <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>
To: Eric Jacoboni <jaco@titine.fr.eu.org>
Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG <stable@FreeBSD.ORG>
Date: Sunday, September 05, 1999 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: Kernel fails to compile today...


>I slept a little late, sorry guys. :)
>
>It's fixed.
>
>- Jordan
>
>> Today, i've cvsuped my 3.2 stable :
>>
>> make world runs ok
>> but the kernel refuses to build during umoddi3.c
>>
>> =-=-=-=-=
>> ${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
>> (lot of such messages)
>> gensetdefs: pcic.o: No such file or directory
>> gensetdefs: pcic_p.o: No such file or directory
>> gensetdefs: pci.o: No such file or directory
>> (lot of...)
>> *** Error code 1
>>
>> Stop
>> =-=-=-=-=
>>
>> The only new cvsuped file in the /usr/sys tree is
>> usr/sys/i386/conf/Makefile.i386 (1.136.2.8)
>> --
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> Éric Jacoboni       « No sport, cigars! »  (W. Churchill)
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>
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I'm testing disabling PMTUD now, but I can't simulate the same load
I got the panic on until Tuesday, when we really see high traffic
utilization.  If I stil panic, I'll patch radix.c and see what
happens from there.

paul

Mike Smith (mike@smith.net.au) wrote:
> > >This looks like a race in the route handling code that was fixed a 
> > >while back; you can either disable path MTU discovery (which prevents 
> > >the massive routing table growth that you may also see in your 
> > >application) or update to 3.2-stable in which I _believe_ that this has 
> > 
> >    Why would disabling PMTUD have any affect on that? The clone routes should
> > still be created just as before.
> 
> They should?  It was my understanding that the clone routes were only 
> created in order to hold the PMTU information as required.
> 
> If not, then I guess we still have a race somewhere in the route 
> manipulation code, unless this is fixed as a side-effect of rev 1.18 of 
> radix.c.
> 
> -- 
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Not sure if this is specific to freebsd, but after changing over to
freebsd, I chased down a bug in using zsh-3.1.5+screen-3.9.4 with the
environmental variable CDPATH.  For some strange reason, when $CDPATH
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On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Dmitry G. Golub wrote:

> help

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Hello!

The following program

#include <stdio.h>
#include <fcntl.h>

main() {
	int control;
	if ((control = open("STATUS",O_WRONLY|O_NONBLOCK))<0) {
		perror("Could not open STATUS ");
		exit(1);
	}
	printf("STATUS ready\n");
	close(control);
	return(0);
}

fails to run (STATUS is pre-created FIFO file) with error "Device not
configured", which seems kinda odd for me.

However, when FIFO is opened with O_RDWR and O_NONBLOCK, every attempt 
to select(2) its handler for writing doesn't wait until someone opens
FIFO for reading, but instead FIFO is ready to write at every select.

Is it a bug or a feature?

-- 
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Hi my make installword fails on :

===> lib/libc
install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444   libc.a /usr/lib
install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444   libc_p.a /usr/lib
install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444   -fschg  libc.so.3 /usr/lib
ln  -sf libc.so.3 /usr/lib/libc.so
install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444   libc_pic.a /usr/lib
install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 creat.2.gz killpg.2.gz sigblock.2.gz
sigpause.2.gz sigsetmask.2.gz sigvec.2.gz i386_get_ioperm.2.gz
i386_get_ldt.2.gz i386_vm86.2.gz _exit.2.gz accept.2.gz access.2.gz
acct.2.gz adjtime.2.gz aio_read.2.gz bind.2.gz brk.2.gz chdir.2.gz
chflags.2.gz chmod.2.gz chown.2.gz chroot.2.gz clock_gettime.2.gz
close.2.gz connect.2.gz dup.2.gz execve.2.gz fcntl.2.gz flock.2.gz
fork.2.gz fsync.2.gz getdirentries.2.gz getdtablesize.2.gz getfh.2.gz
getfsstat.2.gz getgid.2.gz getgroups.2.gz getitimer.2.gz getlogin.2.gz
getpeername.2.gz getpgrp.2.gz getpid.2.gz getpriority.2.gz
getrlimit.2.gz getrusage.2.gz getsid.2.gz getsockname.2.gz
getsockopt.2.gz gettimeofday.2.gz getuid.2.gz intro.2.gz ioctl.2.gz
issetugid.2.gz kill.2.gz kldfind.2.gz kldfirstmod.2.gz kldload.2.gz
kldnext.2.gz kldstat.2.gz kldunload.2.gz ktrace.2.gz link.2.gz
listen.2.gz lseek.2.gz madvise.2.gz mincore.2.gz minherit.2.gz
mkdir.2.gz mkfifo.2.gz mknod.2.gz mlock.2.gz mmap.2.gz mount.2.gz
mprotect.2.gz msync.2.gz munmap.2.gz nanosleep.2.gz nfssvc.2.gz
open.2.gz pathconf.2.gz pipe.2.gz poll.2.gz profil.2.gz ptrace.2.gz
quotactl.2.gz read.2.gz readlink.2.gz reboot.2.gz recv.2.gz rename.2.gz
revoke.2.gz rfork.2.gz rmdir.2.gz rtprio.2.gz select.2.gz semctl.2.gz
semget.2.gz semop.2.gz send.2.gz sendfile.2.gz setgroups.2.gz
setpgid.2.gz setregid.2.gz setreuid.2.gz setsid.2.gz setuid.2.gz
shmat.2.gz shmctl.2.gz shmget.2.gz shutdown.2.gz 
sigaction.2.gz sigaltstack.2.gz sigpending.2.gz sigprocmask.2.gz
sigreturn.2.gz sigstack.2.gz sigsuspend.2.gz socket.2.gz socketpair.2.gz
stat.2.gz statfs.2.gz swapon.2.gz symlink.2.gz sync.2.gz sysarch.2.gz
syscall.2.gz truncate.2.gz umask.2.gz undelete.2.gz unlink.2.gz
utimes.2.gz vfork.2.gz wait.2.gz write.2.gz sched_get_priority_max.2.gz
sched_setparam.2.gz sched_setscheduler.2.gz sched_yield.2.gz 
/usr/share/man/man2
install: kldfind.2.gz: No such file or directory
*** Error code 71

Stop.
*** Error code 1


Any advice ?

Please answer also me directly because I am not subscribed to this list
...

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Regards...

Gianmarco
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Hello there,

I don't know if this has anything to do with this but for several days
(since 3.3RC), that I am not able to put my system in a usable state.
It does boot properly, but if you try to login has root (or su) you'll get
a core dump pid 245 (csh), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped). I
have also noticed that the same thing happens to sendmail, right after is
starts. Cron does the same 30 seconds after system is up.
Am I doing something wrong ?

Thanks

-----------------
|FreeBSD powered|
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On Sun, 5 Sep 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:

> I slept a little late, sorry guys. :)
>=20
> It's fixed.
>=20
> - Jordan
>=20
> > Today, i've cvsuped my 3.2 stable :
> >=20
> > make world runs ok
> > but the kernel refuses to build during umoddi3.c=20
> >=20
> > =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D
> > ${DRIVER_C} expands to empty string
> > (lot of such messages)
> > gensetdefs: pcic.o: No such file or directory
> > gensetdefs: pcic_p.o: No such file or directory
> > gensetdefs: pci.o: No such file or directory
> > (lot of...)
> > *** Error code 1
> >=20
> > Stop
> > =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D
> >=20
> > The only new cvsuped file in the /usr/sys tree is
> > usr/sys/i386/conf/Makefile.i386 (1.136.2.8)
> > --=20
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > =C9ric Jacoboni       =AB No sport, cigars! =BB  (W. Churchill)
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
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Hmm, i use 3.2-19990815-STABLE and i experienced system lockup a few times.

What's wrong? I suspect a netscape-communicator 'cause whenever system

locked up, i used netscape.

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>>>>> "Alex" == Alex Povolotsky <tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru> writes:

 Alex> 	if ((control = open("STATUS",O_WRONLY|O_NONBLOCK))<0) {

 Alex> fails to run (STATUS is pre-created FIFO file) with error
 Alex> "Device not configured", which seems kinda odd for me.

 Alex> However, when FIFO is opened with O_RDWR and O_NONBLOCK, every
 Alex> attempt to select(2) its handler for writing doesn't wait until
 Alex> someone opens FIFO for reading, but instead FIFO is ready to
 Alex> write at every select.

 Alex> Is it a bug or a feature?

Both are features.

The behaviour of open() in the first case is required by standards. In
the second case, the fact that the FIFO has been opened O_RDWR means
that it _is_ ready for writing, and select() is correctly returning
the fact.

-- 
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> USER       PID %CPU %MEM   VSZ  RSS  TT  STAT STARTED      TIME  COMMAND
> root       156  0.0  0.2 262968  256  ??  Is   Mon05PM   0:00.21 rpc.statd

rpc.statd mmap()'s a 256Mb chunk of anon memory but never uses most of it.  
This is 100% normal.

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> Hello there,
> 
> I don't know if this has anything to do with this but for several days
> (since 3.3RC), that I am not able to put my system in a usable state.
> It does boot properly, but if you try to login has root (or su) you'll get
> a core dump pid 245 (csh), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped). I
> have also noticed that the same thing happens to sendmail, right after is
> starts. Cron does the same 30 seconds after system is up.
> Am I doing something wrong ?
> 

I noticed the same behavior when I compiled the kernel with apm enabled:

   device          apm0    at isa? flags 0x0020 # STAT-CLOCK BROKEN

however, when I define:

   device         apm0    at isa? disable flags 0x31 # Advanced Power Management

everything works fine. I'm using a 3.3-RC SMP-Kernel and with the current 
settings I don't have any idle time displays in top and uptime.

Lutz Rabing
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Greg Lynn wrote:
> 
> I know that question has been around before but
> I was thinking about getting a asus p2b-ds with
> ecc memory and 2 pii 350mhz cpus and I was
> wondering how kernel 3.2 does with smp?  

I run a P2B-DS with 2 PII-350's (bios 1008). Nice motherboard, but I
don't know about ECC. The only thing you have to keep in mind, is that
some linux programs do not run under FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE-SMP. Especially
wine fails. You'll have to wait for 4.0 to have that fixed.

> Is there
> tweaks you can perform to the kernel? 

I have 

device          apm0    at isa? flags 0x20 

instead of the standard

device         apm0    at isa? disable flags 0x31 

to fix/avoid some timer problems which result in a wrong behaviour of
`top' and others. It could be that bios 1009 fixes this. It has
something to do with the Y2K compliance. I you are about to buy a new
MB, it will almost certainly have bios 1009 or even 1010.

> Also, is the
> adaptec-7890 chipset on this board supported well
> with CAM in the 3.2 kernel?

Yes, never had any problems. Only in the early days of 3.0-CURRENT I've
had a minor performance issue. I recently installed a machine with a
P2B-S motherboard and a Quantum atlas 9 Gb disk. The output of `bonnie'
showed numbers above 20Mb/s.

Koen.

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> I noticed the same behavior when I compiled the kernel with apm enabled:
> 
>    device          apm0    at isa? flags 0x0020 # STAT-CLOCK BROKEN
> 
> however, when I define:
> 
>    device         apm0    at isa? disable flags 0x31 # Advanced Power Management
> 
> everything works fine. I'm using a 3.3-RC SMP-Kernel and with the current 
> settings I don't have any idle time displays in top and uptime.

APM and SMP are almost guaranteed not to work correctly.  

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> > I noticed the same behavior when I compiled the kernel with apm enabled:
> > 
> >    device          apm0    at isa? flags 0x0020 # STAT-CLOCK BROKEN
> > 
> > however, when I define:
> > 
> >    device         apm0    at isa? disable flags 0x31 # Advanced Power Management
> > 
> > everything works fine. I'm using a 3.3-RC SMP-Kernel and with the current 
> > settings I don't have any idle time displays in top and uptime.
> 
> APM and SMP are almost guaranteed not to work correctly.  
> 

Yes, I know. All I wanted to have is correct idle time information from
programs like top, ...

Therfore I had to mark the STATclock as broken by enabling apm. If there
are other ways to accomplish this, I would like to hear about it.


Lutz
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> > > I noticed the same behavior when I compiled the kernel with apm enabled:
> > > 
> > >    device          apm0    at isa? flags 0x0020 # STAT-CLOCK BROKEN
> > > 
> > > however, when I define:
> > > 
> > >    device         apm0    at isa? disable flags 0x31 # Advanced Power Management
> > > 
> > > everything works fine. I'm using a 3.3-RC SMP-Kernel and with the current 
> > > settings I don't have any idle time displays in top and uptime.
> > 
> > APM and SMP are almost guaranteed not to work correctly.  
> > 
> 
> Yes, I know. All I wanted to have is correct idle time information from
> programs like top, ...
> 
> Therfore I had to mark the STATclock as broken by enabling apm. If there
> are other ways to accomplish this, I would like to hear about it.

Er.  In the example above you say "is broken when APM is enabled, works 
when APM disabled".  This is the result I expect.

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On Mon, 06 Sep 1999 00:04:58 -0400, Scott Cotton wrote:

> For some strange reason, when $CDPATH has a `~' in it, and screen is
> executed, the arrow keys and control keys don't work.  If you want ~
> in CDPATH, you can replace it by $HOME.

Interesting. :-)

> I hope that I may prevent others from going through all the searching
> it took to nail this one down.

For your efforts to yield the most benefit for other users, you should
submit your findings to the PR database (using send-pr(1)) or perhaps
mail them to ache@FreeBSD.org and torstenb@FreeBSD.org .  They're the
maintainers of the screen and zsh ports, respectively.

Even freebsd-ports would probably be more appropriate than the
freebsd-stable mailing list.

Have fun! :-)

Ciao,
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jack wrote:

> It Works Here[tm] OOTB (setup requires the LD_LIBRARY_PATH set)
> with the following
> -current of about Aug 22nd
> -stable of Aug 26th
> -stable of Sep 2nd
> -stable of Sep 4th
>
> It does not work here with
> -current of Jun 26th (the SNAP CD)
> The program just recalls the setup screen

The reason for this is the recent changes made to the 'Linux mode' module (and linux_base libraries from the port). Check http://www.freebsd.org/~marcel for the current status on this.

Remco.

PS. Marcel Moolenaar (my brother, if you were wondering), proposed to use the term 'Linux mode' instead of 'Linux emulator' for obvious reasons.

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On Fri, Sep 03, 1999 at 10:04:08PM +0300, Evren Yurtesen wrote:
> Hello,
> I have recently cvsupped 3.2-STABLE and after the make world
> the finger command was working differently...
> When I search for somebody it was not looking at the real name field
> only the username field just like if I was using -m option but the
> searches
> are made case insensitive...
> 
> What is the problem? I have copied the finger binary from 3.2-RELEASE
> and it was working just fine...
> 
> for example in the old one when I search something like
> finger daemon
> then I was getting 2 entries, now when I search for the same thing
> I get only 1 result which was the username daemon
> 
> Evren

A typo was introduced in finger/util.c, rev 1.6 (CURRENT) and
then imported into RELENG_3 branch in rev 1.5.2.1.  The attached
patch fixes the problem and will be committed later today.
Thanks for the report.


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Index: util.c
===================================================================
RCS file: /usr/FreeBSD-CVS/src/usr.bin/finger/util.c,v
retrieving revision 1.6
retrieving revision 1.7
diff -u -r1.6 -r1.7
--- util.c	1999/08/21 18:25:38	1.6
+++ util.c	1999/08/22 17:24:25	1.7
@@ -80,7 +80,7 @@
 	 * Why do we skip asterisks!?!?
 	 */
 	(void)strncpy(p = tbuf, pw->pw_gecos, sizeof(tbuf));
-	p[sizeof(tbuf) - 1] = '\0';
+	tbuf[sizeof(tbuf) - 1] = '\0';
 	if (*p == '*')
 		++p;
 
@@ -88,12 +88,13 @@
 	if ((p = strtok(p, ",")) == NULL)
 		return(0);
 
-	for (t = name; (*t = *p) != '\0' && t - name > sizeof(name); ++p) {
+	for (t = name; t < &name[sizeof(name) - 1] && (*t = *p) != '\0'; ++p) {
 		if (*t == '&') { 
 			(void)strncpy(t, pw->pw_name, 
 			    sizeof(name) - (t - name));
 			name[sizeof(name) - 1] = '\0';
-			while (*++t);
+			while (t < &name[sizeof(name) - 1] && *++t)
+				continue;
 		} else {
 			++t;
 		}
@@ -352,21 +353,22 @@
 
 	/* why do we skip asterisks!?!? */
 	(void)strncpy(bp = tbuf, pw->pw_gecos, sizeof(tbuf));
-	bp[sizeof(tbuf) - 1] = '\0';
+	tbuf[sizeof(tbuf) - 1] = '\0';
 	if (*bp == '*')
 		++bp;
 
 	/* ampersands get replaced by the login name */
 	if (!(p = strsep(&bp, ",")))
 		return;
-	for (t = name; (*t = *p) != '\0' && t < name + sizeof(name); ++p) {
+	for (t = name; t < &name[sizeof(name) - 1] && (*t = *p) != '\0'; ++p) {
 		if (*t == '&') {
 			(void)strncpy(t, pw->pw_name, 
 			    sizeof(name) - (t - name));
 			name[sizeof(name) - 1] = '\0';
 			if (islower(*t))
 				*t = toupper(*t);
-			while (*++t);
+			while (t < &name[sizeof(name) - 1] && *++t)
+				continue;
 		} else {
 			++t;
 		}

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Does it lockup when you are connected to the internet also ?

Or only when you use Netscape offline ?

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On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Huidae Cho wrote:

> Hmm, i use 3.2-19990815-STABLE and i experienced system lockup a few times.
> 
> What's wrong? I suspect a netscape-communicator 'cause whenever system
> 
> locked up, i used netscape.
> 
> Please give me some clue.
> 
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On Fri, 03 Sep 1999 15:50:15 EST, "Jeffrey J. Mountin" wrote:

> No matter since my main point is that in both cases deleting section of the
> source tree and re-cvsup'ing did not help.   Gave up and blew away the
> entire source tree, reinstalled the source from 3.2R, and cvsup'd again.

Aren't you the guy who's been insisting on using NOCLEAN for your ``make
world'' runs recently? :-)

Seriously, drop the NOCLEAN option and let ``make world'' blow your obj
tree. Like most of us, obj trees love that. ;-)

Until you're doing things the recommended way, you may be sending John
on a red herring with CVSup.

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Yeah, but I don't have apm on the kernel config file.

I'm also running a Pentium Pro SMP system.

I was using -stable with frequent updates and this never happenned : (

Unusable system for a few days now...

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On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Lutz Rabing wrote:

> > Hello there,
> > 
> > I don't know if this has anything to do with this but for several days
> > (since 3.3RC), that I am not able to put my system in a usable state.
> > It does boot properly, but if you try to login has root (or su) you'll get
> > a core dump pid 245 (csh), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped). I
> > have also noticed that the same thing happens to sendmail, right after is
> > starts. Cron does the same 30 seconds after system is up.
> > Am I doing something wrong ?
> > 
> 
> I noticed the same behavior when I compiled the kernel with apm enabled:
> 
>    device          apm0    at isa? flags 0x0020 # STAT-CLOCK BROKEN
> 
> however, when I define:
> 
>    device         apm0    at isa? disable flags 0x31 # Advanced Power Management
> 
> everything works fine. I'm using a 3.3-RC SMP-Kernel and with the current 
> settings I don't have any idle time displays in top and uptime.
> 
> Lutz Rabing
> -OMCnet-
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> 
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NOT LOCKUP WHEN OFFLINE.

i suspect this point.

however, i'm not sure  ;)

jpedras@qui.uc.pt wrote
> From jpedras@qui.uc.pt  Mon Sep  6 17:45:37 1999
> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:45:42 +0100 (BST)
> From: Joao Pedras <jpedras@qui.uc.pt>
> To: Huidae Cho <hdcho@unix.kyungpook.ac.kr>
> cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: System lockup
>
> Does it lockup when you are connected to the internet also ?
>
> Or only when you use Netscape offline ?
>
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> On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Huidae Cho wrote:
>
> > Hmm, i use 3.2-19990815-STABLE and i experienced system lockup a few times.
> > 
> > What's wrong? I suspect a netscape-communicator 'cause whenever system
> > 
> > locked up, i used netscape.
> > 
> > Please give me some clue.
> > 
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I ment the opposite

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|FreeBSD powered|
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On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Huidae Cho wrote:

> NOT LOCKUP WHEN OFFLINE.
> 
> i suspect this point.
> 
> however, i'm not sure  ;)
> 
> jpedras@qui.uc.pt wrote
> > From jpedras@qui.uc.pt  Mon Sep  6 17:45:37 1999
> > Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:45:42 +0100 (BST)
> > From: Joao Pedras <jpedras@qui.uc.pt>
> > To: Huidae Cho <hdcho@unix.kyungpook.ac.kr>
> > cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
> > Subject: Re: System lockup
> >
> > Does it lockup when you are connected to the internet also ?
> >
> > Or only when you use Netscape offline ?
> >
> > -----------------
> > |FreeBSD powered|
> > -----------------
> >
> > On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Huidae Cho wrote:
> >
> > > Hmm, i use 3.2-19990815-STABLE and i experienced system lockup a few times.
> > > 
> > > What's wrong? I suspect a netscape-communicator 'cause whenever system
> > > 
> > > locked up, i used netscape.
> > > 
> > > Please give me some clue.
> > > 
> > > 
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At 10:47 AM 9/6/99 +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote:
>Aren't you the guy who's been insisting on using NOCLEAN for your ``make
>world'' runs recently? :-)

Not me, only mentioned it once *and* only if you clear out /usr/obj.

>Seriously, drop the NOCLEAN option and let ``make world'' blow your obj
>tree. Like most of us, obj trees love that. ;-)

ROFL.

>Until you're doing things the recommended way, you may be sending John
>on a red herring with CVSup.

Only in the past week have gone from just blowing /usr/obj away to doing
that and adding the -DNOCLEAN flag.  If it's gone it must be clean.  Right?

Problems predate this change.


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On Mon, 06 Sep 1999 04:52:45 EST, "Jeffrey J. Mountin" wrote:

> Only in the past week have gone from just blowing /usr/obj away to doing
> that and adding the -DNOCLEAN flag.  If it's gone it must be clean.  Right?

Well as you say, the problem predates your use of NOCLEAN, so what I'm
warning against is probably not an issue. Just keep in mind that NOCLEAN
implies at least one thing other than "don't worry about what's in my
obj tree".

Basically, either grep the Makefiles for instances of NOCLEAN and figure
out exactly what it does, or don't use it. That's the advice I give
people.

Ciao,
Sheldon.


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At 06:48 PM 9/5/99 -0700, John Polstra wrote:
>Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote:
>> 
>> I am aware of this, but it's 17 hops over to cvsup6, 15 to cvsup2 and
>> cvsup3, 19 to cvsup5,
>
>Yow.  Time for a new ISP. :-)

No.  Time for a better meshed NSP in between.  When 10 of the hops are
bbnplanet and alter.net, it's pretty ugly.  You're 13 away (about average),
but only 1 bbnplanet and 6 verio's. <shrug>

>> which have become a bit crowded the past month of so
>> and cvsup5 was not listed when I last checked.
>
>CVSup5 is the same as cvsup4 currently.

I'll stick with #6 for now and see if I can duplicate a hang.

>> With bbnplanet (and AT&T) in the path *and* since it happens during
>> day mostly I'd rather think it's a network hiccup.
>
>Sounds like it.

Something I'd almost count on, which is why I asked if others had problems
or delays.  Then again if the upstream has poor peering...

>Or remove the "-P" option entirely.  The default in 16.0 is "-P m".

May change the flag back, things have gone well the past few days. ;)

Usually only pull things once a week, but with a release coming tend to
pull and build more often.  Once things settle and a slew of changes
accumulate it's more likely to happen.

FYI, started using #6 on Aug 5th and on the 25th was when I first had a
problem.  No changes were done to the setup either hardware or software,
since the last buildworld on the Aug 5th.  And amazingly didn't pull
anything during that time, so the number of changes was large.

>It puts each one in the same directory where the real file will end
>up.  Then it uses rename(2) to move it atomically into place after it
>has been checked for validity.  There's some code that attempts to
>clean up a temp file if you kill the program in the middle.  Usually
>it works.

And how is the temp file named?  Should be clean, but if it happens again
it would be nice to be able to search for them.

>If you have a pre-mangled file whose size and timestamp are correct,
>CVSup won't check it until the next time it wants to update the file
>-- that is, the next time somebody changes it in the repository.  That
>could be a long time.

The size wasn't off, AFAICR, just a lot of odd character subs.  The version
on the CD was OK.  Points to hardware.  Thought that CVSup went by the
version# and size.

Learned quick that when you modify source that is CVSup'd, it a GoodIdea to
keep things elsewhere.


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At 08:21 AM 9/5/99 -1000, Art Neilson, KH7PZ wrote:
>indeed I was updating my only source tree and was confused regarding
>"The Complete FreeBSD" book 3rd edition pg. 379 "Putting it all together"
>the method presented in the book uses cvsup to update a source tree /ncvs
>then uses 'cvs update -P -d' to update /usr/src from the /ncvs tree.
>I only have /usr/src tree as I'm not doing any development and wanted the
>simplest model to maintain.

Don't have the book (yet), but it tells you how in the Handbook.

http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/synching.html

18.3.3.3 4th paragraph after the 5 linked questions.

>Speaking of which, how do I update ports-all if I'm tracking stable?
>I see only tag=. is valid for the ports tree, if I use that I get the
>most current ports?  Will the most current ports work with stable or
>do I need to go to freebsd-current?  I tried compiling lsof after
>cvsuping my ports tree with tag=. and the make bombs with numerous
>complaints about stuff in /usr/include files on my FreeBSD 3.3-RC
>system.  Is this just a problem with lsof or a more general problem
>with my ports updates not matching my OS release?

Try changing the tag in the supfile you use:

...
*default  tag=RELENG_3
src-all

*default  tag=.
ports-all
doc-all
www


Added the last 2 since they need the 'tag=.' as well as the ports
collection does.

Personally I do separate files since I pull ports more often than not and I
prefer to keep separate logs of each.


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At 12:57 AM 9/6/99 -0700, Mike Smith wrote:
>APM and SMP are almost guaranteed not to work correctly.  

Not to nit, but shouldn't that be "work correctly together?"

Don't want to mislead anyone. ;)


Has any progress been made on this issue, it's been around since before 3.0
it seems.


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> PS. Marcel Moolenaar (my brother, if you were wondering), proposed
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Correction. I didn't propose it. I just adopted it.

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At 12:07 PM 9/6/99 +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote:
>Well as you say, the problem predates your use of NOCLEAN, so what I'm
>warning against is probably not an issue. Just keep in mind that NOCLEAN
>implies at least one thing other than "don't worry about what's in my
>obj tree".
>
>Basically, either grep the Makefiles for instances of NOCLEAN and figure
>out exactly what it does, or don't use it. That's the advice I give
>people.

Only one has it - /usr/src/Makefile.inc1.

Get the point that over time things could get nasty, depending on certain
changes (pun intended).

All told not worth the slight savings that I have seen.

Thanks for the hint, even if it didn't help my headache. 8-/


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Folks,

	I built a machine on Friday w/ FreeBSD-STABLE.  Of course, this 
was just before certain fixes were committed that would allow it to 
actually successfully build a kernel, so I went back today and 
cvsup'ed to the latest version.

	However, it would appear that /usr/src/contrib/sys was not 
included in this update, so any kernel that you might want to build 
with softupdates enabled would not be possible.


	I got a copy of the necessary files from another machine I built 
a little while back (and which did not need to be cvsup'ed in order 
to be able to build a kernel), so I think I'll be able to get this to 
work.

	However, the bigger question is why is this necessary?  Did I 
miss something fundamental with regards to cvsup that is explained 
somewhere on <http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/stable.html> or 
<http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/synching.html#CVSUP>, or perhaps 
elsewhere in the manual?


	Thanks!

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On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Brad Knowles wrote:

> Folks,
> 
> 	I built a machine on Friday w/ FreeBSD-STABLE.  Of course, this 
> was just before certain fixes were committed that would allow it to 
> actually successfully build a kernel, so I went back today and 
> cvsup'ed to the latest version.
> 
> 	However, it would appear that /usr/src/contrib/sys was not 
> included in this update, so any kernel that you might want to build 
> with softupdates enabled would not be possible.

As has been stated several times before and can also be read in the
UPDATING file (at least on 4.0-CURRENT)

19990704:
        src/contrib/sys/softupdates is moving to
        src/sys/contrib/softupdates.  Update your symbolic links/etc.


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At 2:22 PM +0200 1999/9/6, Pascal Hofstee wrote:

> As has been stated several times before and can also be read in the
> UPDATING file (at least on 4.0-CURRENT)

	Sorry, I obviously missed those statements.

> 19990704:
>         src/contrib/sys/softupdates is moving to
>         src/sys/contrib/softupdates.  Update your symbolic links/etc.

	Hmm.  And this stuff is newer than what I had copied over from 
the other machine.  Guess I better stop the "make world" I had 
started, change the links, and restart it.


	Thanks for the info!

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Hello,

the softupdates have been moved from /usr/src/contrib/sys to
/usr/src/sys/contrib

	TfH

Brad Knowles wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> 
>         I built a machine on Friday w/ FreeBSD-STABLE.  Of course, this
> was just before certain fixes were committed that would allow it to
> actually successfully build a kernel, so I went back today and
> cvsup'ed to the latest version.
> 
>         However, it would appear that /usr/src/contrib/sys was not
> included in this update, so any kernel that you might want to build
> with softupdates enabled would not be possible.
> 
>         I got a copy of the necessary files from another machine I built
> a little while back (and which did not need to be cvsup'ed in order
> to be able to build a kernel), so I think I'll be able to get this to
> work.
> 
>         However, the bigger question is why is this necessary?  Did I
> miss something fundamental with regards to cvsup that is explained
> somewhere on <http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/stable.html> or
> <http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/synching.html#CVSUP>, or perhaps
> elsewhere in the manual?
> 
>         Thanks!
> 
> --
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On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Alex Povolotsky wrote:

> Hello!
> 
> The following program
> 
> #include <stdio.h>
> #include <fcntl.h>
> 
> main() {
> 	int control;
> 	if ((control = open("STATUS",O_WRONLY|O_NONBLOCK))<0) {
> 		perror("Could not open STATUS ");
> 		exit(1);
> 	}
> 	printf("STATUS ready\n");
> 	close(control);
> 	return(0);
> }
> 
> fails to run (STATUS is pre-created FIFO file) with error "Device not
> configured", which seems kinda odd for me.
> 
> However, when FIFO is opened with O_RDWR and O_NONBLOCK, every attempt 
> to select(2) its handler for writing doesn't wait until someone opens
> FIFO for reading, but instead FIFO is ready to write at every select.
> 
> Is it a bug or a feature?
> 

I answered a similar question some time ago.  You can search the mailing
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Programming Environment" by Stevens.  I can not remember every details
right now.  The "device not configured" error is expected. 

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At 2:22 PM +0200 1999/9/6, Pascal Hofstee wrote:

> As has been stated several times before and can also be read in the
> UPDATING file (at least on 4.0-CURRENT)

	I read the /usr/src/UPDATING file, and noted a number of things 
had changed.  Once I got make world finally done (after about three 
hours), I rebooted and started work on configuring my new kernel.


	I ran into some problems with a number of things that had changed 
in the format of kernel configs, but the biggest thing I've run 
across so far is the fact that Berkeley Packet Filtering (bpf) is now 
enabled by default, as opposed to disabled by default.

	This opens a *huge* security risk for anyone who doesn't 
reconfigure their kernel or doesn't fully comprehend the potential 
danger here.  Are we really sure that the FreeBSD Inc. has 
sufficiently increased it's liability insurance to cover the 
potentially multi-million dollar lawsuits that might result from this 
change?


	Most of the rest of the stuff I think I've managed to figure out 
on my own, and although changes of this scale at this stage somewhat 
concern me, I figure I can work them out.  And this is a particularly 
good machine for that, since it's going to be an internal support 
machine I can play with for a while.

	But this liability issue *really* concerns me.


	Jordan?  David?  Anybody got any semi-official statements on this issue?

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Hello,

There is a problem with the finger with the newer versions I have
cvsupped
It is not really looking at the Real Name section as mentioned in the
man page
it behaves like I used -m option but just the difference it it makes an
case insensitive
search.

What should I do?

Evren



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On Mon, 06 Sep 1999 19:33:45 +0200, Evren Yurteen wrote:

> There is a problem with the finger with the newer versions I have
> cvsupped
> It is not really looking at the Real Name section as mentioned in the
> man page

> What should I do?

Update your sources and rebuild it. The bug was introduced through a
typo and has been fixed.

Ciao,
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Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote:
> 
>>It puts each one in the same directory where the real file will end
>>up.  Then it uses rename(2) to move it atomically into place after it
>>has been checked for validity.  There's some code that attempts to
>>clean up a temp file if you kill the program in the middle.  Usually
>>it works.
> 
> And how is the temp file named?  Should be clean, but if it happens again
> it would be nice to be able to search for them.

The temp files all have names like "#cvs.cvsup*".

> The size wasn't off, AFAICR, just a lot of odd character subs.  The version
> on the CD was OK.  Points to hardware.  Thought that CVSup went by the
> version# and size.

Yes, but unless the information from stat(2) differs -- namely, the
timestamp and sometimes the size -- CVSup doesn't even look at the
file.  All bulk file update programs have to work that way, because
it would be prohibitively slow to open and examine every file.

> Learned quick that when you modify source that is CVSup'd, it a
> GoodIdea to keep things elsewhere.

Or learn about "refuse" files.  I added a bunch of stuff to the
CVSup FAQ about that recently.

    http://www.polstra.com/projects/freeware/CVSup/

John
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Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be> writes:
> 	However, the bigger question is why is this necessary?  Did I 
> miss something fundamental with regards to cvsup that is explained 
> somewhere on <http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/stable.html> or 
> <http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/synching.html#CVSUP>, or perhaps 
> elsewhere in the manual?

Yes, you missed the part that says you have to read this list if you
plan to track -STABLE. If you'd read this list, you'd seen the
HEADS-UP about src/contrib/sys moving to src/sys/contrib.

DES
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Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be> writes:
> 	This opens a *huge* security risk for anyone who doesn't 
> reconfigure their kernel or doesn't fully comprehend the potential 
> danger here.  Are we really sure that the FreeBSD Inc. has 
> sufficiently increased it's liability insurance to cover the 
> potentially multi-million dollar lawsuits that might result from this 
> change?

Read /usr/src/COPYRIGHT.

THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE REGENTS AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' AND
ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE
IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE
ARE DISCLAIMED.  IN NO EVENT SHALL THE REGENTS OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE
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SUCH DAMAGE.

BTW, the security risk of having bpf enabled by default exists mostly
in the over-active imagination of anal-retentive BUGTRAQ addicts. This
has been discussed way beyond death on the mailing lists, so please
just forget it.

DES
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I get this when trying to make buildworld 

I am tracking RELENG_3 from a 3.2-RELEASE CD at the base,
I have done several cvsup since about 1 week ago , everytime
I get this same problem

I installed 3.2-RELEASE CD then did cvsup .



BS=-lperl" "INSTALLMAN3DIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/perl/man3"
Writing Makefile for DynaLoader
 ==> Your Makefile has been rebuilt. <==
 ==> Please rerun the make command.  <==
false
 false:No such file or directory
 *** Error code 1



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> At 12:57 AM 9/6/99 -0700, Mike Smith wrote:
> >APM and SMP are almost guaranteed not to work correctly.  
> 
> Not to nit, but shouldn't that be "work correctly together?"
> 
> Don't want to mislead anyone. ;)
> 
> 
> Has any progress been made on this issue, it's been around since before 3.0
> it seems.

The "dying statclock" issue may have been addressed in -current, it's 
hard to be sure.

As for APM and SMP interacting; it's quite possible that they will 
never work right.  I had some ideas that seemed worth pursuing, but the 
more I research the less it looks like it'll ever be viable.

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At 7:04 PM +0200 1999/9/6, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:

> Yes, you missed the part that says you have to read this list if you
> plan to track -STABLE. If you'd read this list, you'd seen the
> HEADS-UP about src/contrib/sys moving to src/sys/contrib.

	I had not planned to track -STABLE.  I wanted an actual 
functioning system that would allow me to build a new kernel, and 
because of the recent breakage, I was forced to cvsup this morning.

	I followed the instructions on 
<http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/stable.html>, 
<http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/synching.html#CVSUP>, and 
<http://www.nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk/FreeBSD/make-world/make-world 
.html> to the best of my ability.

	I didn't see anything on any of those pages about checking 
/usr/src/UPDATING, although I have obviously now had this procedure 
pounded into my skull.


	I have been trying my best to keep up with the freebsd-stable 
mailing list on anything related to building new kernels, "make 
world" breakage, anything related to softupdates or vinum, etc..., 
but I had only started doing so within the last few weeks. 
Therefore, I had missed the earlier notice about softupdates moving.


	It would be nice to get more useful responses (such as the ones I 
got from some other members of this list).

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At 7:05 PM +0200 1999/9/6, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:

> Read /usr/src/COPYRIGHT.
>
> THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE REGENTS AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' AND
> ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE
> IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE
> ARE DISCLAIMED.

	And as any lawyer can tell you, this doesn't mean anything.  The 
sharks are slobbering all over themselves to nail Microsoft over the 
recent problems with hotmail, and FreeBSD Inc. could very easily be 
setting themselves up for a similar lawsuit.  Especially since this 
was a change that was not very widely announced (I sure didn't see 
anything even in /usr/src/UPDATING, much less on any other web pages 
or anything else I've read so far), and this is a negative change 
from previous behaviour.

	Furthermore, this is built into the GENERIC kernel (and turned on 
by default), and we all know that the vast majority of sites will 
never figure out how to build their own kernel, nor will they have 
any real use for this feature.


	Once on a box, it's trivially easy to get root.  In fact, with 
various rootkits lying around, it's easy to do this programmatically 
and gain root access to hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of 
machines in just a few minutes.

	However, it might be a bit more difficult to script creating and 
installing a new kernel to turn on the ability for people to do 
password sniffing.  If this feature isn't enabled by default, you at 
least have the chance that it would be more noticable for them to 
build and install a new sniffing-capable kernel, and increase the 
chance by just that smidgen more that people would actually see 
anomolous behaviour when their machines are compromised, and 
potentially be capable of preventing further damage to their networks 
and systems.

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  ____________________________________________________________________
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	Please don't cross post to -questions and -stable. If your issue is
pertinent to -stable you should post it there. 

Brad Knowles wrote:
> 
> At 2:22 PM +0200 1999/9/6, Pascal Hofstee wrote:
> 
> > As has been stated several times before and can also be read in the
> > UPDATING file (at least on 4.0-CURRENT)
> 
>         I read the /usr/src/UPDATING file, and noted a number of things
> had changed.  Once I got make world finally done (after about three
> hours), I rebooted and started work on configuring my new kernel.

	You should always make the new kernel before rebooting. Changes between
kernel and userland can cause you big problems. 

>         I ran into some problems with a number of things that had changed
> in the format of kernel configs, but the biggest thing I've run
> across so far is the fact that Berkeley Packet Filtering (bpf) is now
> enabled by default, as opposed to disabled by default.
> 
>         This opens a *huge* security risk

	Someone else already mentioned that if you expect to track -stable you
need to read the list. This has been discussed to death already, and the
only risk it opens up is for those whose machines have already had a root
compromise. The feeling is that if you're already that far down the road,
the person can enable bpf if they really want it. 

> Are we really sure that the FreeBSD Inc. has
> sufficiently increased it's liability insurance to cover the
> potentially multi-million dollar lawsuits that might result from this
> change?

	I hope that this is a joke, but just in case it isn't, the copyright
_clearly_ states that the software is provided AS IS. You assume _all_
responsibility for its use, misuse, abuse, reuse, and any other kind of use
you can think of. 

Hope this helps,

Doug


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> 
> 	I ran into some problems with a number of things that had changed 
> in the format of kernel configs, but the biggest thing I've run 
> across so far is the fact that Berkeley Packet Filtering (bpf) is now 
> enabled by default, as opposed to disabled by default.
> 
> 	This opens a *huge* security risk for anyone who doesn't 
> reconfigure their kernel or doesn't fully comprehend the potential 
> danger here.

Actually, if you'd followed the discussions that preceeded the change, 
or just thought about it for a minute, you'd realise that this isn't 
the case at all.  By the time an attacker has enough access rights on 
your system to make use of the packet filter, they have enough access 
rights to add it if it's not there.

>  Are we really sure that the FreeBSD Inc. has 
> sufficiently increased it's liability insurance to cover the 
> potentially multi-million dollar lawsuits that might result from this 
> change?

You should go back and read the BSD license again, I think. 

-- 
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> 	Once on a box, it's trivially easy to get root.  In fact, with 
> various rootkits lying around, it's easy to do this programmatically 
> and gain root access to hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of 
> machines in just a few minutes.

  Uhh... this isn't true at all.  It is far from trivial to get root.
Show me a rootkit that works on 3.2-stable.

> 	However, it might be a bit more difficult to script creating and 
> installing a new kernel to turn on the ability for people to do 
> password sniffing.  If this feature isn't enabled by default, you at 
> least have the chance that it would be more noticable for them to 
> build and install a new sniffing-capable kernel, and increase the 
> chance by just that smidgen more that people would actually see 
> anomolous behaviour when their machines are compromised, and 
> potentially be capable of preventing further damage to their networks 
> and systems.

  This doesn't make any sense.  Basically you are saying that it is real
easy to break in, so "password sniffing ability" should not be available
because it will be easy to tell if crackers try to turn it on.  First of
all, it isn't easy to break into an up to date system.  And second if you
have so many clear text passwords floating on your network, you've got a
much bigger security problem.

  Besides, most ethernets are switched these days, making password
sniffing for anything but connections to or from the machine the sniffer
is running on completely useless.

> -- 
>    These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy
>   ____________________________________________________________________
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> |o| Systems Architect, News & FTP Admin      Rue Col. Bourg, 124   |o|
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> |o| http://www.skynet.be                     Belgium               |o|
> \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
>   Unix is like a wigwam -- no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.
>    Unix is very user-friendly.  It's just picky who its friends are.
> 
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	This might sound like criticism, but I'm just grumpy this morning. 

Kiril Mitev wrote:
> 
> Hi All
> 
> Have all the problems wrt cvsupp-ed kernel builds been sorted out then ?
> Or should 'to be upgraded' boxes hold back for a couple more days ?

	You should never cvsup new sources then just build a kernel. Changes
between kernel interfaces and userland code can render your system
unusable. Also, if your freebsd machines are mission critical you should
have at least one spare machine with as close to an identical configuration
as possible and use it for a test build before going ahead with the
upgrades (or better yet, build once, install many times via NFS). That way
you can be sure that the most recent sources will work for _you_, which is
always your best bet anyway. 

Good luck,

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Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be> writes:
> 	Once on a box, it's trivially easy to get root.  In fact, with 
> various rootkits lying around, it's easy to do this programmatically 
> and gain root access to hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of 
> machines in just a few minutes.

FUD. If it really is so trivial, you are welcome to post example
exploit code *which you have verified to be effective on a reasonably
configured FreeBSD box* to freebsd-security@freebsd.org, or submit it
in a PR. If you need the information to be treated confidentially, you
can contact security-officer@freebsd.org instead of posting to the
list.

DES
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Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be> writes:
> 	Once on a box, it's trivially easy to get root. [...]

Oh, and by the way, please refer to my comment about people with
over-active imaginations.

DES
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At 7:22 PM +0200 1999/9/6, Brad Knowles wrote:

> 	I had not planned to track -STABLE.  I wanted an actual
> functioning system that would allow me to build a new kernel,
> and because of the recent breakage, I was forced to cvsup
> this morning.
>
> 	I followed the instructions on
> <http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/stable.html>,
> <http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/synching.html#CVSUP>, and
> <http://www.nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk/FreeBSD/make-world/make-world .html>
> to the best of my ability.

	Blargh.  I followed the instructions on 
<http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/stable.html>, but didn't realize 
that it was going to create a /etc/cvsupfile that had "." for a 
default tag.  Now I get to reset that to "RELENG_3" (which is what I 
really wanted in the first place), and start all over again.

	Fortunately ssh 1.2.27 doesn't like 4.0-CURRENT (the assembly 
tweaks don't apply), and it tipped me off that something strange was 
going on.


	Of course, I've now re-learned the lesson for the 
umpteen-bazillionth time to *never* trust the default configuration 
files that will be created for you.

	Sigh....

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Huidae Cho wrote:
> 
> Hmm, i use 3.2-19990815-STABLE and i experienced system lockup a few times.
> 
> What's wrong? I suspect a netscape-communicator 'cause whenever system
> 
> locked up, i used netscape.
> 
> Please give me some clue.

	Netscape locks my system once in a while too. How much physical ram do you
have, and how much swap space is available? Does your swap space ever get
full? Also, the most recent (4.61) version of netscape does not seem to
lock things up as often anymore, what version are you using? Are you sure
that it's locked up the whole machine, or just your window manager/X
server? Have you tried using Ctl-Alt-F1 to go to your console and kill off
X? 

	I know this is a lot of questions, but hopefully there is some help in
there for you (and you did ask for clues :).

Good luck,

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> At 06:48 PM 9/5/99 -0700, John Polstra wrote:
> >Jeffrey J. Mountin wrote:
> >> 
> >> I am aware of this, but it's 17 hops over to cvsup6, 15 to cvsup2 and
> >> cvsup3, 19 to cvsup5,
> >
> >Yow.  Time for a new ISP. :-)

Try a traceroute to 205.238.40.2 and send me the results.

> 
> No.  Time for a better meshed NSP in between.  When 10 of the hops are
> bbnplanet and alter.net, it's pretty ugly.  You're 13 away (about average),
> but only 1 bbnplanet and 6 verio's. <shrug>

Do we have a cvsup mirror hanging off of verio any place?  If not I
should be able to arrange for one that would be DS-3 connected.


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On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Brad Knowles wrote:

> 
> 	Blargh.  I followed the instructions on 
> <http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/stable.html>, but didn't realize 
> that it was going to create a /etc/cvsupfile that had "." for a 
> default tag.  Now I get to reset that to "RELENG_3" (which is what I 
> really wanted in the first place), and start all over again.

The cvsupfile that is linked from
http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/stable.html is one that properly tracks
RELENG_3.  You must have done something silly.


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At 10:42 AM -0700 1999/9/6, Doug wrote:

> 	Please don't cross post to -questions and -stable. If your issue is
> pertinent to -stable you should post it there.

	Sorry.  I'll try to keep this in mind for any future posts I may 
(or may not) make.

> 	You should always make the new kernel before rebooting. Changes between
> kernel and userland can cause you big problems.

	Hmm.  You're absolutely correct.  Re-reading 
<http://www.nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk/FreeBSD/make-world/make-world 
.html>, I see that I did things in the wrong order.

	Thanks!

> 	Someone else already mentioned that if you expect to track -stable you
> need to read the list.

	As I said before, I wasn't planning on tracking -STABLE (and 
certainly not -CURRENT, although that choice was apparently made for 
me without my knowledge).  I had tried to monitor the list as best I 
could for the past few weeks, and keeping an eye out for those things 
I know I'm interested in or which might be likely to affect any 
systems I try to build.

	I believe that I made a reasonable attempt to follow the 
handbook, read the FAQ, monitor the mailing list, etc....  However, 
requiring omniscience of every person who ever wants to post to any 
of the mailing lists is a method that is likely to ensure that most 
everyone decides it's just not worth the hassle.


	Myself, I had more than enough crap during the Great Backbone 
Cabal wars.  I have zero need to put up with any more.

>                        This has been discussed to death already, and the
> only risk it opens up is for those whose machines have already had a root
> compromise. The feeling is that if you're already that far down the road,
> the person can enable bpf if they really want it.

	I agree with this sentiment -- enable it if you need it. 
However, it should come disabled by default.  If you need it, then 
you'll know that you need it (or you'll be told), and you will either 
know how to enable it or you'll be told how to enable it.

> 	I hope that this is a joke, but just in case it isn't, the copyright
> _clearly_ states that the software is provided AS IS. You assume _all_
> responsibility for its use, misuse, abuse, reuse, and any other kind of use
> you can think of.

	See my previous message.  This doesn't mean a hill of beans.

	However, let's completely ignore the legal aspect for the moment. 
Let's just focus on one thing and one thing only --  We're violating 
rule #1 of Checkwick & Bellovin fer Christsakes!  if you don't need 
something, don't run it!

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Subject: Re: softupdates in latest build?
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At 10:48 AM -0700 1999/9/6, Tom wrote:

>   Uhh... this isn't true at all.  It is far from trivial to get root.
> Show me a rootkit that works on 3.2-stable.

	I don't need to.  We're violating rule #1 of Cheswick & Bellovin 
-- if you don't need something, don't run it.  This fact alone should 
be enough to cause this feature to be disabled by default.

>   This doesn't make any sense.  Basically you are saying that it is real
> easy to break in, so "password sniffing ability" should not be available
> because it will be easy to tell if crackers try to turn it on.  First of
> all, it isn't easy to break into an up to date system.

	How many systems do you honestly expect to be "up-to-date" as 
opposed to "out-of-the-box"?  Many years of experience have taught me 
that this percentage will be *very* low.  Therefore, there's no 
reason not to make whatever *reasonable* changes you can in order to 
make the default out-of-the-box installation reasonable secure.

	You don't have to go all super-anal-OpenBSD, but if there are 
things that can be set by default to be either secure or insecure and 
it doesn't make all that much difference, why not choose security?

>                                                         And second if you
> have so many clear text passwords floating on your network, you've got a
> much bigger security problem.

	Again, look at the services that get installed by default. 
Plenty of places will probably never hear about ssh.  Although we 
don't necessarily have to have machines that automatically come up as 
an ipfw "closed" system and ssh has to be part of the base install 
(and the only supported method of remotely accessing the system), I 
think it would behoove us to choose to be a bit more careful in those 
areas where we can.

>   Besides, most ethernets are switched these days, making password
> sniffing for anything but connections to or from the machine the sniffer
> is running on completely useless.

	I have reason to believe that it is possible to sniff through 
switches, at least certain types of switches.


	I'll say it again.  If the choices are "security" or "no 
security", and otherwise it doesn't make a whole lot of difference to 
how it operates out-of-the-box, then why not choose security?

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At 7:48 PM +0200 1999/9/6, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:

> FUD. If it really is so trivial, you are welcome to post example
> exploit code *which you have verified to be effective on a reasonably
> configured FreeBSD box* to freebsd-security@freebsd.org, or submit it
> in a PR.

	No need.  It's rule #1 of Cheswick & Bellovin, and taught as 
basic security practice supposedly around the world.

	There's no need to go ahead and intentionally remove features 
that might make it slightly more difficult to compromise security at 
a site, if the resulting change make no real effective difference in 
the way the system operates out-of-the-box.


	Anybody who wants to install nfr (or any other sniffer program) 
can take a few moments to uncomment a single line in a kernel 
configuration file in /usr/src/sys/i386/conf, then type 
"/usr/sbin/config KERNEL", then "cd ../../compile/KERNEL; make 
depend; make; make install".

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:13:08 +0200
To: Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au>
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At 10:41 AM -0700 1999/9/6, Mike Smith wrote:

>                   By the time an attacker has enough access rights on
> your system to make use of the packet filter, they have enough access
> rights to add it if it's not there.

	That's certainly true.  However, if this feature is disabled by 
default, this throws just one more roadblock in front of some script 
kiddie that might want to break into your system.

	It won't stop a determined cracker (nothing will), and it won't 
stop someone with half an ounce of intelligence (they can just 
rebuild the kernel), but if you at least turn this off by default 
then they're forced to rebuild the kernel in order to enable this 
feature, and that would require a reboot.  That might just make the 
system that much more noticable if someone tries to crack into it and 
install a password sniffer, and that much less easy to compromise 
security at that site.

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Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be> writes:
> 	Blargh.  I followed the instructions on 
> <http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/stable.html>, but didn't realize 
> that it was going to create a /etc/cvsupfile that had "." for a 
> default tag.  Now I get to reset that to "RELENG_3" (which is what I 
> really wanted in the first place), and start all over again.

More FUD. The supfile referenced in the "Staying Stable with FreeBSD"
section of the handbook contains:

# The following line is for 3-stable.  If you want 2.2-stable, change
# "RELENG_3" to "RELENG_2_2".
*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_3

Please stop spreading such disinformation. It only comes across as an
infantile attempt to cover up the fact that you didn't do your
homework, and it damages the project's reputation as well as your own.

DES
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> At 10:48 AM -0700 1999/9/6, Tom wrote:
> 
> >   Uhh... this isn't true at all.  It is far from trivial to get root.
> > Show me a rootkit that works on 3.2-stable.
> 
> 	I don't need to.  We're violating rule #1 of Cheswick & Bellovin 
> -- if you don't need something, don't run it.  This fact alone should 
> be enough to cause this feature to be disabled by default.

Again, it is imperative that you _read_ the technical discussions that 
preceeded this, or any, change before you leap in and criticise it 
blindly.

In summary; bpf is enabled because it's needed.  And your argument 
devolves to reductio ab absurdum, which is in and of itself absurd.

> 	I'll say it again.  If the choices are "security" or "no 
> security", and otherwise it doesn't make a whole lot of difference to 
> how it operates out-of-the-box, then why not choose security?

I'll say it again; read what has already been said.  Most of us are 
heartily sick of your side of the argument, and you're not likely to 
get many useful responses while you continue to display basic ignorance 
of the issues involved.

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From owner-freebsd-stable  Mon Sep  6 11:44:48 1999
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>   Besides, most ethernets are switched these days, making password
> sniffing for anything but connections to or from the machine the sniffer
> is running on completely useless.

Isn't it possible to spoof arp and compromise a switch?

Just wondering.

-Alfred



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At 7:56 PM +0200 1999/9/6, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:

> Please stop spreading such disinformation. It only comes across as an
> infantile attempt to cover up the fact that you didn't do your
> homework, and it damages the project's reputation as well as your own.

	I read the web page.  It was not self-evident to me that the 
supfile that would be created by default was not the same supfile 
that was referenced on the web page.


	As to your use of the word "infantile", I'd have to say that this 
says more about your thought processes than mine.

	I've been perfectly willing all along to acknowledge my lack of 
experience in this area, which is the entire reason why I came to 
this mailing list to try to get help -- obviously from people other 
than the omniscient types such as yourself that can't be bothered to 
actually be helpful to anyone who has less than your own perfect 
knowledge of every single line of code throughout the entire OS.


	I'm more than happy to RTFM (I've written some in my time, and 
I've told more than a few to RTFM myself), if I'm told which section 
of which FM I should R.

	I don't usually ask for assistance unless I've checked out 
everything I can think of, and when I do ask questions, I usually try 
to make it abundantly clear what resources I've already used, what 
instructions I've tried to follow, and what problems I'm having.

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At 1:21 PM -0500 1999/9/6, David Scheidt wrote:

> The cvsupfile that is linked from
> http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/stable.html is one that properly tracks
> RELENG_3.  You must have done something silly.

	Yup.  It wasn't obvious to me that the default supfile would not 
be the same as 
<ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/share/examples/ 
cvsup/stable-supfile>.  I have since learned this lesson, and while I 
can assure you that I will make trillions of mistakes in the future, 
and I'll probably even ultimately forget about this one and make it 
again, I probably won't be making this same mistake again any time 
soon.


	Thanks again!

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On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Christophe Prevotaux wrote:

> I get this when trying to make buildworld 
> 
> I installed 3.2-RELEASE CD then did cvsup .
> 
> BS=-lperl" "INSTALLMAN3DIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/perl/man3"
> Writing Makefile for DynaLoader
>  ==> Your Makefile has been rebuilt. <==
>  ==> Please rerun the make command.  <==
> false
>  false:No such file or directory
>  *** Error code 1

Is your system time set correctly ?

I had the exact same problem, and it seems to have something to
do with the system time. I had the system clock set to UTC,
but I had not adjusted it. My clock was a few hours ahead, and
not only my buildworld failed, but also a build of netatalk
(/usr/ports/net/netatalk-asun). After I set the clock to the
correct time, everything went perfectly, as usual.

I'm still trying to find out what precisely caused this. Any pointers
are very welcome !

Marc Veldman
 



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At 11:29 AM -0700 1999/9/6, Mike Smith wrote:

> I'll say it again; read what has already been said.  Most of us are
> heartily sick of your side of the argument, and you're not likely to
> get many useful responses while you continue to display basic ignorance
> of the issues involved.

	I think I'm beginning to understand the attitude problem that 
Linux advocates have accused the FreeBSD camp of.

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Marc Veldman wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Christophe Prevotaux wrote:
> 
> > I get this when trying to make buildworld
> >
> > I installed 3.2-RELEASE CD then did cvsup .
> >
> > BS=-lperl" "INSTALLMAN3DIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/perl/man3"
> > Writing Makefile for DynaLoader
> >  ==> Your Makefile has been rebuilt. <==
> >  ==> Please rerun the make command.  <==
> > false
> >  false:No such file or directory
> >  *** Error code 1
> 
> Is your system time set correctly ?
> 
> I had the exact same problem, and it seems to have something to
> do with the system time. I had the system clock set to UTC,
> but I had not adjusted it. My clock was a few hours ahead, and
> not only my buildworld failed, but also a build of netatalk
> (/usr/ports/net/netatalk-asun). After I set the clock to the
> correct time, everything went perfectly, as usual.
> 
> I'm still trying to find out what precisely caused this. Any pointers
> are very welcome !
> 
> Marc Veldman
> 

Thanks I'll try this 
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On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Marc Veldman wrote:

> I'm still trying to find out what precisely caused this. Any pointers
> are very welcome !

The makefile being newer then your system.

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Do I have to reinstall 3.2 RELEASE from CD and re CVSUP again ? 
since I changed time by ntpdate ? 


Bill Fumerola wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Marc Veldman wrote:
> 
> > I'm still trying to find out what precisely caused this. Any pointers
> > are very welcome !
> 
> The makefile being newer then your system.
> 
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> At 11:29 AM -0700 1999/9/6, Mike Smith wrote:
> 
> > I'll say it again; read what has already been said.  Most of us are
> > heartily sick of your side of the argument, and you're not likely to
> > get many useful responses while you continue to display basic ignorance
> > of the issues involved.
> 
> 	I think I'm beginning to understand the attitude problem that 
> Linux advocates have accused the FreeBSD camp of.

What, that we have no time for people that can't be bothered to help 
themselves, even when asked to?

You've walked into a contentious issue spewing FUD, patently 
disregarded the suggestion to take a little time to familiarise 
yourself with the history of this issue in our context, and now you 
expect us to feel sorry for you?

Brad; this isn't a kindergarten.  You are addressing the FreeBSD
developer community here, and you are telling us that you think the end
result of a long decision process was a stupid idea.  Do you really
expect that sort of thing to be well received?

You could have started with "I was surprised to find that bpf was 
enabled.  Why was this done?  Where can I read about the decision 
process that resulted in this change?".  Unfortunately, you've 
discovered that there are a lot more of us that there is of you, and 
that we don't suffer abuse at all gently.

The suggestion to go read up on the issue was not meant as a brush-off; 
it was a well-intentioned gesture with the aim of educating you in a 
fashion that doesn't involve some poor bastard like me re-typing every 
salient point that was made during the whole process.  Please do us the 
courtesy of informing yourself to the best possible extent so that we 
can communicate meaningfully and usefully with you.

As you say, this isn't Linux.  We don't have a history of mailing lists 
and newsgroups filled with whining newbies that have driven the 
developers away to other, closed areas, and we plan to keep things that 
way.  If it results in a few slightly bruised noses evey now and then, 
that's a price we've demonstrated we're willing to pay.

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To: blk@skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:04:14 -0700 (PDT)
Cc: tom@uniserve.com (Tom),
	des@flood.ping.uio.no (Dag-Erling Smorgrav),
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> At 10:48 AM -0700 1999/9/6, Tom wrote:
> 
> >   Uhh... this isn't true at all.  It is far from trivial to get root.
> > Show me a rootkit that works on 3.2-stable.
> 
> 	I don't need to.  We're violating rule #1 of Cheswick & Bellovin 
> -- if you don't need something, don't run it.  This fact alone should 
> be enough to cause this feature to be disabled by default.

Since no one seems to have pointed directly at the reason that rule #1
is being violated I thought it might help kill this thread quickly to
state:

	bpf is enabled as it is needed by DHCP to get the correct IP
configuration during an install onto a network that uses DHCP for
configuration.  Thus bpf has crossed the line from being ``not needed''
to ``needed'' out of the box.

Therefore this is not a violation of Cheswick & Bellovin's rule #1.

I myself, a person strongly against having anything on a box from
day one that may impose security risks, have adopted to the needed
change and support it.  I simply now build my boxes in a disconnected
state, then rip out what is not needed for this deployment before
the thing ever sees anything like a network.

If you need further details please search the email archives for a
very long thread that talked all about this.


About your legal concerns, well.. thats another matter all togeather,
but given the ``value'' of FreeBSD Inc it is presently not a very large
target for someone to fire at.

I will state you are correct in your assertion that the disclaimer
of warranties is not a legal protection from these types of lawsuits,
which generally use the broader scoped ``gross negligence'' basis,
it is the best that one can do given the current state of the legal
system.

Given my above statement of _why_ bpf is needed I think it would be
safe to assume that FreeBSD has done do deligence in it's task of
weighting functionality vs security and would have a good case on
this front against any gross negligence suit with respect to bpf.
Infact it can be demostrated that FreeBSD has gone the extra mile
to insure that the product it produces is far more secure than almost
anything the commercial boys turn out.


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On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Brad Knowles wrote:

> At 11:29 AM -0700 1999/9/6, Mike Smith wrote:
> 
> > I'll say it again; read what has already been said.  Most of us are
> > heartily sick of your side of the argument, and you're not likely to
> > get many useful responses while you continue to display basic ignorance
> > of the issues involved.
> 
> 	I think I'm beginning to understand the attitude problem that 
> Linux advocates have accused the FreeBSD camp of.


This was thrashed out in -hackers a month or so ago.  There are sound
technical reasons to do so.  The biggest is it allows a net install using a
DHCP configured interface.  Go read the archives, if after that, you have
something to say, people might listen to you.  

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This discussion broke out on another list.  Did I miss any major
points?

As I recall, Chad R. Larson wrote:
> As I recall, Hampton Childress wrote:
>> On 06-Sep-99 Chad R. Larson wrote:
>>> As I recall, James White wrote:
>>>> Can I get some pros/cons on Caldera OpenLinux 2.2?  Ok, I just checked
>>>> their web site...  How about 2.3?
>>>> 
>>>> RedHat has kinda rubbed me the wrong way lately, so I'm looking at
>>>> other options.
>>> 
>>> If you're really looking for other options:
>>> 
>>>     www.freebsd.org
>> 
>> Ok, I'll bite. Why, specifically? (coming from a Mandrake/Redhat user)
> 
> Well,
>     stability
>     security
>     non-fragmented (there's only one "distribution")
>     central control of distribution (not just the kernel)
>     better unification of vision of what said distribution is to be
>     unified "make", build entire system with single command
>     better performance on same hardware, especially TCP/IP stack
>     well over 2000 software package already ported
>     good package management
>     12 years of development
> to name a few.
> 
>> --
>>    Hampton
> 
> 	-crl


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Brad Knowles writes:
  At 11:29 AM -0700 1999/9/6, Mike Smith wrote:
  > I'll say it again; read what has already been said.  Most of us are
  > heartily sick of your side of the argument, and you're not likely to
  > get many useful responses while you continue to display basic ignorance
  > of the issues involved.
  	I think I'm beginning to understand the attitude problem that 
  Linux advocates have accused the FreeBSD camp of.
  
Well, you came in and rather undiplomatically and unfairly started
bandying about words like "liability" and "huge security hole" over a
feature that seems not to be the problem you think it is.  Then you
started browbeating people with "Cheswick & Bellovin"; you named the
book in three separate messages!  Are you trying to cow the natives
with your arcane security knowledge?  Simply put, you didn't do much
to endear yourself; the annoyed reaction is not undeserved, i think.

While i agree that "if you don't need it, don't include it" is sound
rationale, by the time you brought it about, you'd already lost your
audience.  The best way to show your point is to demonstrate how the
feature can be exploited.  If you can't do it, then obviously it's not
a major issue.  Please give the FreeBSD's security team the benefit of
the doubt; if they didn't know what they were doing, we wouldn't've
gotten this far.

rone
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On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Brad Knowles wrote:

[ -questions removed from CC list ]

> 	And as any lawyer can tell you, this doesn't mean anything.  The 
> sharks are slobbering all over themselves to nail Microsoft over the 
> recent problems with hotmail, and FreeBSD Inc. could very easily be 
> setting themselves up for a similar lawsuit.  Especially since this 
> was a change that was not very widely announced (I sure didn't see 
> anything even in /usr/src/UPDATING, much less on any other web pages 
> or anything else I've read so far), and this is a negative change 
> from previous behaviour.

Show me your credentials as a lawyer. Don't you think that in all the time
since the BSD license was first written, a lawyer has not read it? Do you
really believe that it is simply there to deter the stupid and incompetent?

> 	Furthermore, this is built into the GENERIC kernel (and turned on 
> by default), and we all know that the vast majority of sites will 
> never figure out how to build their own kernel, nor will they have 
> any real use for this feature.

What you are missing here is that the people who do this are often the same
people who type their root passwords over telnet. The FreeBSD project CANNOT
be expected ot dumb the system down and remove features for the sake of
preventing one particular type of exploit. Not to mention that this one
exploit is only even an issue once the perpetraitor has penetrated the
system to the point of becoming superuser. By that point, you have much
bigger problems. 

Security is up to the admin. An admin who is not security-conciencious
deserves everything he gets. An admin who does not bother to recompile his
kernel for his specific system out of lazyness also deserves everything he
gets. An admin who compromises his system by typing his root password over
an unencrypted link should not complain that his own system is violated. 

And lets not forget that BPF is needed by a whole slew of applications. Need
examples? How about dhcp? tcpdump? verious traffic monitoring software? Why
golly, let me see! I've got bpf enabled on each and every one of the
machines I admin simply because I find it an invalueable tool for debugging
network problems. Where would we be without tcpdump? Hmm? 

> 	Once on a box, it's trivially easy to get root.  In fact, with 
> various rootkits lying around, it's easy to do this programmatically 
> and gain root access to hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of 
> machines in just a few minutes.

What? Are you from the same planet as the rest of us? Show me a single
effective rootkit for a -stable system that will work, consistently, when
the admin takes even the most rudimentary measures to prevent exploitation.
Like I said above, security is up to the admin. If the admin cannot
adequately manage his system and gets cracked, the admin is to blame. Not the
operating system, and certainly not the berkeley packet filter. 

> 	However, it might be a bit more difficult to script creating and 
> installing a new kernel to turn on the ability for people to do 
> password sniffing.  If this feature isn't enabled by default, you at 
> least have the chance that it would be more noticable for them to 
> build and install a new sniffing-capable kernel, and increase the 
> chance by just that smidgen more that people would actually see 
> anomolous behaviour when their machines are compromised, and 
> potentially be capable of preventing further damage to their networks 
> and systems.

Huh? 
# echo 'pseudo-device bpf' >> MYKERNEL
# config MYKERNEL
etc.

And what are you going to do when bpf becomes a KLD? Scream and shout that
KLDs are evil because they let a cracker who obtained superuser privilige to
load BPF support? 


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This does not belong on either questions@ or isp@, but stable@.

On 06-Sep-99 Christophe Prevotaux wrote:
> I get this when trying to make buildworld 
> 
> I am tracking RELENG_3 from a 3.2-RELEASE CD at the base,
> I have done several cvsup since about 1 week ago , everytime
> I get this same problem
> 
> I installed 3.2-RELEASE CD then did cvsup .
> 
> BS=-lperl" "INSTALLMAN3DIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/perl/man3"
> Writing Makefile for DynaLoader
>  ==> Your Makefile has been rebuilt. <==
>  ==> Please rerun the make command.  <==
> false
>  false:No such file or directory
>  *** Error code 1

No idea what's wrong here. Sorry.

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Will Andrews wrote:
it has been posted to all 3 , but until I knew why it did that
I was not supposed to know where to post , was I ? 
since I am running RELENG_3, STABLE is the right isn't it ?

> 
> This does not belong on either questions@ or isp@, but stable@.
> 
> On 06-Sep-99 Christophe Prevotaux wrote:
> > I get this when trying to make buildworld
> >
> > I am tracking RELENG_3 from a 3.2-RELEASE CD at the base,
> > I have done several cvsup since about 1 week ago , everytime
> > I get this same problem
> >
> > I installed 3.2-RELEASE CD then did cvsup .
> >
> > BS=-lperl" "INSTALLMAN3DIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/share/perl/man3"
> > Writing Makefile for DynaLoader
> >  ==> Your Makefile has been rebuilt. <==
> >  ==> Please rerun the make command.  <==
> > false
> >  false:No such file or directory
> >  *** Error code 1
> 
> No idea what's wrong here. Sorry.
> 

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On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Christophe Prevotaux wrote:

> Do I have to reinstall 3.2 RELEASE from CD and re CVSUP again ? 
> since I changed time by ntpdate ? 

No. An up-to-date time is really all you need.

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On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Brad Knowles wrote:

> >   This doesn't make any sense.  Basically you are saying that it is real
> > easy to break in, so "password sniffing ability" should not be available
> > because it will be easy to tell if crackers try to turn it on.  First of
> > all, it isn't easy to break into an up to date system.
> 
> 	How many systems do you honestly expect to be "up-to-date" as 
> opposed to "out-of-the-box"?  Many years of experience have taught me 
> that this percentage will be *very* low.  Therefore, there's no 
> reason not to make whatever *reasonable* changes you can in order to 
> make the default out-of-the-box installation reasonable secure.

  Doesn't matter.  What exploits work against 3.2-RELEASE out of the box?
Besides, if people aren't going to keep there systems up to date, they
will get broken into.

  You are basically assuming that any box can be broken into.  So then who
cares about password sniffing?

...
> >   Besides, most ethernets are switched these days, making password
> > sniffing for anything but connections to or from the machine the sniffer
> > is running on completely useless.
> 
> 	I have reason to believe that it is possible to sniff through 
> switches, at least certain types of switches.

  No.

> 	I'll say it again.  If the choices are "security" or "no 
> security", and otherwise it doesn't make a whole lot of difference to 
> how it operates out-of-the-box, then why not choose security?

  Yes, but you want to remove a feature that is completely safe, just
because it could be misused by a cracker.  That seems backwards to me.

> -- 
>    These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy
>   ____________________________________________________________________
> |o| Brad Knowles, <blk@skynet.be>            Belgacom Skynet NV/SA |o|
> |o| Systems Architect, News & FTP Admin      Rue Col. Bourg, 124   |o|
> |o| Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.11.11/12.49         B-1140 Brussels       |o|
> |o| http://www.skynet.be                     Belgium               |o|
> \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
>   Unix is like a wigwam -- no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.
>    Unix is very user-friendly.  It's just picky who its friends are.
> 
> 


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On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Alfred Perlstein wrote:

> >   Besides, most ethernets are switched these days, making password
> > sniffing for anything but connections to or from the machine the sniffer
> > is running on completely useless.
> 
> Isn't it possible to spoof arp and compromise a switch?
> 
> Just wondering.

  Well, it depends.

  ARP is used to resolve IPs to MAC addresses.  L2 switches don't even
look at ARP.  They just memorize where different MAC addresses are.  Now,
if an ARP broadcast goes out from a certain client for a login box, and
the login box and a spoofing box both answer the request, the client will
report a duplicate IP error.  So you don't really gain anything.  You
certainly can't "compromise" the switch.

  You can try spoofing MAC addresses, but a switch will direct traffic to
the port with a particular registered MAC address.  So either the spoofing
box or the login box get the traffic, not both.  Either way, things will
not be working right on the network, and people are going to notice.
Also, all switches allow particular MAC addresses to be hard-coded to
particular ports.  If other ports attempt to use them, they are shutdown
or ignored.

  You are however screwed if the login box goes done, and your spoofing
box tries to impersonate it.  This however would be detected very quickly
because whatever services the login box had wouldn't be working, unlike a
classic sniffer.



> -Alfred
> 
> 
> 


Tom



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On 06-Sep-99 Brad Knowles wrote:
>       I don't need to.  We're violating rule #1 of Cheswick & Bellovin 
> -- if you don't need something, don't run it.  This fact alone should 
> be enough to cause this feature to be disabled by default.

Did I miss something, or is there a reason why FreeBSD should care about
"Cheswick & Bellovin", whatever that is?

>       How many systems do you honestly expect to be "up-to-date" as 
> opposed to "out-of-the-box"?  Many years of experience have taught me 
> that this percentage will be *very* low.  Therefore, there's no 
> reason not to make whatever *reasonable* changes you can in order to 
> make the default out-of-the-box installation reasonable secure.

Systems that are not "up-to-date" on security implementations are obviously not
run by those who wish to keep their systems as secure as possible, and thus
avoid security problems, lawsuits, and the like.

>       You don't have to go all super-anal-OpenBSD, but if there are 
> things that can be set by default to be either secure or insecure and 
> it doesn't make all that much difference, why not choose security?

FreeBSD is intended to provide a well-tuned, general-use OS
with an emphasis on servers. It is not intended to be anal retentive in the
manner regarding security that DES pointed to.

>       Again, look at the services that get installed by default. 
> Plenty of places will probably never hear about ssh.  Although we 
> don't necessarily have to have machines that automatically come up as 
> an ipfw "closed" system and ssh has to be part of the base install 
> (and the only supported method of remotely accessing the system), I 
> think it would behoove us to choose to be a bit more careful in those 
> areas where we can.

The admin who cares about having his system operate as securely as he/she wants
to WILL find out about what are considered general security hazards (i.e.,
telnetd, rshd, rlogind, etc.) and plug them up.

People who setup default systems and expect them to do the same job miss the
entire purpose of FreeBSD.

>       I have reason to believe that it is possible to sniff through 
> switches, at least certain types of switches.

Oh boy. You're losing credibility for each and every word you send to this
mailing list. Your "reason" seems to be rather unable to back itself up.

> 
>       I'll say it again.  If the choices are "security" or "no 
> security", and otherwise it doesn't make a whole lot of difference to 
> how it operates out-of-the-box, then why not choose security?

Some people would prefer that their FreeBSD installs not be difficult to setup
so that they can make it convenient to play games, use X11, and make their
system as convenient as possible to setup, configure, etc.

So it comes down to this: security is a tradeoff for convenience.

Say, that reminds me. Haven't I seen that phrase on these mailing lists
somewhere?

--
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> On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Christophe Prevotaux wrote:
> 
> > Do I have to reinstall 3.2 RELEASE from CD and re CVSUP again ? 
> > since I changed time by ntpdate ? 
> 
> No. An up-to-date time is really all you need.
Agreed. That worked for me.

I've been checking the relevant documentation on the subject
(make world tutorial, FreeBSD handbook, 'The Complete FreeBSD'
2nd and 3rd edition)
and I could not find any explicit statement of the importance
of a correctly set kernel/CMOS time. Maybe something for
the tutorials/handbook/Complete FreeBSD ?

*If your kernel/CMOS time is not set correctly, your 'make world' and
'make install' of various ports may fail in unexpected ways*

For fun/learning, I'll start playing around with system time
and make buildworlds, and post the results here.

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> Have all the problems wrt cvsupp-ed kernel builds been sorted out then ?
> Or should 'to be upgraded' boxes hold back for a couple more days ?

You should be able to build the world and kernels in -stable now.

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> 	I ran into some problems with a number of things that had changed 
> in the format of kernel configs, but the biggest thing I've run 
> across so far is the fact that Berkeley Packet Filtering (bpf) is now 
> enabled by default, as opposed to disabled by default.

This has been discussed positively to death, and in order for DHCP to
work this simply had to happen.  If you want network sniffage
immunity, use a proper switch like the rest of us. :) As it is, any of
one's Windows (or other OS) boxes can be turned into sniffers so
easily that turning off bpf in FreeBSD is good for little more than
a false sense of security.

> 	This opens a *huge* security risk for anyone who doesn't 
> reconfigure their kernel or doesn't fully comprehend the potential 
> danger here.  Are we really sure that the FreeBSD Inc. has 
> sufficiently increased it's liability insurance to cover the 
> potentially multi-million dollar lawsuits that might result from this 
> change?

Paragraph 9 of the license:

THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE REGENTS AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' AND
ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE
IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE
ARE DISCLAIMED.  IN NO EVENT SHALL THE REGENTS OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE
FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL
DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS
OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION)
HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT
LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY
OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF
SUCH DAMAGE.

In other words, all of FreeBSD is a "use it at your own risk" proposition
and we can add code which specifically targets your family and pets
for extermination (e.g. we can build the terminator and let it loose
on you) and it's still all your fault for allowing us to do that. :-)

- Jordan


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> 	And as any lawyer can tell you, this doesn't mean anything.  The 

And as any lawyer can tell you, you can get sued for having the wrong
colored hair if somebody decides that's worth going to court over.

Nothing constitutes lawsuit protection because there's no such thing
as lawsuit protection - you can be sued at any time and for any
reason.  The question is whether or not you'll win, and I think the
likelyhood of that is small enough that I'm not going to lose sleep
over it - FreeBSD, Inc. doesn't have enough assets to make it worth
suing anyway, and if I were going to start seeing legal monsters under
the bed then the packet filter would be the very LAST thing I'd be
worried about.  I'm far more worried about being sued over software
patents!

- Jordan


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> 	I don't need to.  We're violating rule #1 of Cheswick & Bellovin 
> -- if you don't need something, don't run it.  This fact alone should 
> be enough to cause this feature to be disabled by default.

We need it.  DHCP installs will die a horrible death upon initial
startup without it.  Just becuase you don't use DHCP doesn't mean
that hundreds, if not thousands, of other sites do not.

Can we end this discussion now?  It was literally discussed to death
some months ago, before this change even went in, and if you weren't
present for those discussions then you simply have only yourself
to blame because our lists are all public access.  There's no profit
in discussing it further and I'll be deleting any more mails in
this thread unread.

- Jordan


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Jordan,

I noticed that the 3.3-RC compat22 dists are missing c++rt0.  I have
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On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Chad R. Larson wrote:
:->This discussion broke out on another list.  Did I miss any major
:->points?

Yes...

:->> Well,
:->>     stability
:->>     security
:->>     non-fragmented (there's only one "distribution")
:->>     central control of distribution (not just the kernel)
:->>     better unification of vision of what said distribution is to be
:->>     unified "make", build entire system with single command
:->>     better performance on same hardware, especially TCP/IP stack
:->>     well over 2000 software package already ported
:->>     good package management
:->>     12 years of development
:->> to name a few.

It runs commercial Linux applications. This makes FreeBSD a good
choice for a Linux seat.

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"Rodney W. Grimes" wrote in message ID
<199909061817.LAA03003@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>:
> > No.  Time for a better meshed NSP in between.  When 10 of the hops are
> > bbnplanet and alter.net, it's pretty ugly.  You're 13 away (about average),
> > but only 1 bbnplanet and 6 verio's. <shrug>
> 
> Do we have a cvsup mirror hanging off of verio any place?  If not I
> should be able to arrange for one that would be DS-3 connected.

Since best.com got assimilated, cvsup2.freebsd.org (aka burka.rdy.com)
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Mon Sep  6 16:37:57 1999
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Marc Veldman <freebsd@planet.nl> wrote:
>*If your kernel/CMOS time is not set correctly, your 'make world' and
>'make install' of various ports may fail in unexpected ways*

And for those of you whose CMOS clocks are set to local time:  Note that
in single user mode, the system time will default to assuming that
the CMOS clock is set to UTC.  You need to run `adjkerntz -i' before
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Greg Lehey wrote:
> 
> On Thursday,  2 September 1999 at 23:41:48 -0600, Greg Skafte wrote:
> > I just cvsuped Freebsd RELENG_3 this evening and vinum cause the following:
> >
> > Kernel Panic Fatal trap 12 page Fault while in kernel mode
> > Fault Virtual address= 0x10
> > Fault Code =  supervisor read, page not present
> > Instruction Pointer = 0x8:0xc128a8bb
> > Stack Pointer =             0x10: 0xcc1e5c40
> > Frame Pointer =             0x10: 0xcc1e5c94
> > Code Segment =        base 0x0, limit 0xffff, type 0x1b
> >            =        DPL 0, pres 1, def 321, gran 1
> > Processor eflags = int enabled, resume IOPL 0
> > Current Process = 16 (vinum)
> > interupt mask =
> > trap number = 12
> > Panic: page fault
> >
> > ----------------------Kerenel conf --------------------------
> 
>
 [ Stuff deleted ]

> That may or may not be related.  Is this reproducible?  Under what

	it is very reproducible, it happens everytime, I just need to
	reboot the machine with the offending version of vinum.

> circumstances?  Are you using soft updates?  We've seen one case that

	I am using softupdates, but I'm not sure that is related because
	I don't get as far as actually mounting any vinum fs'es.

> fits that bill, but it doesn't look quite like yours, and it hasn't
> shown up in -STABLE yet.
>

[ Stuff deleted]
 
> In view of the impending release of 3.3, I'm very interested in
> following up on this one.  But I'm going to need more information from
> you.
>
Here is a BT from the panic....
(kgdb) bt
#0  0xc128b8bb in read_drive (drive=0xc134a000, buf=0xc134b000,
length=0x20000, offset=0x1200)
    at /usr/src/sys/modules/vinum/../../dev/vinum/vinumio.c:298
#1  0xc128cc22 in vinum_scandisk (devicename=0xc129696c, drives=0x2)
    at /usr/src/sys/modules/vinum/../../dev/vinum/vinumio.c:995
#2  0xc128a461 in parse_config (cptr=0xc127f000 "read",
keyset=0xc129684c, update=0x0)
    at /usr/src/sys/modules/vinum/../../dev/vinum/vinumconfig.c:1514
#3  0xc128a4e8 in parse_user_config (cptr=0xc127f000 "read",
keyset=0xc129684c)
    at /usr/src/sys/modules/vinum/../../dev/vinum/vinumconfig.c:1557
#4  0xc1291330 in vinumioctl (dev=0x40001901, cmd=0xc4004640,
data=0xc127f000 "read", flag=0x3,
p=0xcc1dd780)
    at /usr/src/sys/modules/vinum/../../dev/vinum/vinumioctl.c:110
#5  0xc01632a7 in spec_ioctl (ap=0xcc1f1e1c) at
../../miscfs/specfs/spec_vnops.c:424
#6  0xc0162bb9 in spec_vnoperate (ap=0xcc1f1e1c) at
../../miscfs/specfs/spec_vnops.c:129
#7  0xc01ee235 in ufs_vnoperatespec (ap=0xcc1f1e1c) at
../../ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c:2317
#8  0xc015da25 in vn_ioctl (fp=0xc11eb100, com=0xc4004640,
data=0xc127f000 "read", p=0xcc1dd780)
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#9  0xc013e180 in ioctl (p=0xcc1dd780, uap=0xcc1f1f94) at
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 tf_ebp = 0xbfbfdd6c,
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0xbfbfd984, tf_eax = 0x36,
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tf_esp = 0xbfbfd94c, tf
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#12 0x8048517 in ?? ()
#13 0x8048351 in ?? ()
#14 0x80480ed in ?? ()
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Any reason why this isn't in the handbook?

On Sun, 5 Sep 1999, I'Khala wrote:

> Quoting Gregory Bond (gnb@itga.com.au):
> > The file frequently referred to previously (and even listed in UPDATING)
> > 	http://www.freebsd.org/~rnordier/boot.txt
> > is no longer available.  Where can I find this info?
> did anyone suggest 
> 
> 	/usr/src/sys/boot/README
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Tom <tom@uniserve.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Brad Knowles wrote:
>> 	I have reason to believe that it is possible to sniff through 
>> switches, at least certain types of switches.
>
>  No.

That's a bit simplistic.  Most switches are designed to reduce network
traffic, not provide security.  They have a finite capacity for learnt
MAC addresses and if you exceed that limit, traffic will leak onto
multiple segments.  Likewise, traffic may leak whilst a switch is
learning a new MAC address or under high traffic loads.

Therefore, snooping on a switched segment may provide a small sample
of the 'backbone' traffic.  Whether this is a problem depends on the
site.

Of course, given a poorly configured 'managed' switch, somethe subverted
host could change the switch configuration to provide a drop copy of
the backbone traffic...

Peter


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As the subject says, the 3.3 release candidate build is now up on
ftp.freebsd.org for testing.  This is NOT the full 3.3-RELEASE, of
course, this is the release *candidate* and is subject to change at
any time if and as people discover problems with it.

If it changes then you'll know, of course, since the date will change,
but this is really all I plan on releasing on ftp.freebsd.org until
3.3-RELEASE unless people really find something really egregious with
the candidate.  For daily snapshots of the 3.3-RC branch, there's
still ftp://releng3.freebsd.org if people are interested in getting
each and every fix to the branch on a day to day basis.

I've also gone a bit further than usual with this release in that I'm
making ISO images for the first 2 CDs available in:

       ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/3.3-19990905-RC/ISO-IMAGES

Please test these as well (if you have the bandwidth and a burner)
since we'll then get to see if there are any CDROM-specific
installation problems in advance for a change.  I would prefer not to
repeat the 3.2 fixit CD fiasco! :-) CDs 3 and 4 contain only packages
and aren't really worth the bandwidth to upload them so I'll just test
those here.

We have 10 full days of testing left, so let's try and make
3.3-RELEASE the best one yet!  Any problem reports directly to me
please, thanks!

- Jordan

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The machine in question runs happily on a much older kernel with very
current binaries... so some bit of kernel kruft is very unhappy in the 
latest freebsd-stable.

Given that, I have a question: Are there substantial differences
between 3-STABLE and the 3.3-RELEASE branch?

Dave.

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> The machine in question runs happily on a much older kernel with very
> current binaries... so some bit of kernel kruft is very unhappy in the 
> latest freebsd-stable.

You're not helping anyone here; a problem report like this gets almost 
no attention at all.  If you want us to help you, first you have to 
help _us_.

> Given that, I have a question: Are there substantial differences
> between 3-STABLE and the 3.3-RELEASE branch?

The answer is, as always, "you have access to all the same information 
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I have 128M RAM and 512M swap, and if I leave Communicator4.6 up for a long
period (two days?) it will take X out, and my system will reboot to boot. I
have issues with my CPU too, but Communicator brings out the worst in it :).

I seriously doubt this is a STABLE issue.

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I've had communicator 4.6 up for 3d10h now in X. I've had no problems
running 3.2-Stable of Augest 24th. 128M ram 512M swap as well. I always
leave communicator running as soon as I start X up. Saves me the trouble
of waiting for it to load up when I need it. I'm sorry to say I don't know
what your problem is, as communicator and -stable are fine over here.

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: I have 128M RAM and 512M swap, and if I leave Communicator4.6 up for a long
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Jeremy McMillan wrote:
> 
> I have 128M RAM and 512M swap, and if I leave Communicator4.6 up for a long
> period (two days?) it will take X out, and my system will reboot to boot. I
> have issues with my CPU too, but Communicator brings out the worst in it :).

	Ok, you didn't mention what WM you're using. I noticed back when I ran
afterstep that a netscape lockup would take out netscape, afterstep and X.
With KDE the worst I have to do is occasionally kill netscape and restart
it. Also, are you using the no async dns option? It's an environment
variable that you set to prevent netscape from sucking up another 16M of
ram for it's silly little DNS helper. Check out
/usr/local/lib/netscape/README for more info.

> I seriously doubt this is a STABLE issue.

	I agree.

HTH,

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> "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote in message ID
> <199909061817.LAA03003@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>:
> > > No.  Time for a better meshed NSP in between.  When 10 of the hops are
> > > bbnplanet and alter.net, it's pretty ugly.  You're 13 away (about average),
> > > but only 1 bbnplanet and 6 verio's. <shrug>
> > 
> > Do we have a cvsup mirror hanging off of verio any place?  If not I
> > should be able to arrange for one that would be DS-3 connected.
> 
> Since best.com got assimilated, cvsup2.freebsd.org (aka burka.rdy.com)
> is off verio.net.

And a fair bit closer to the Palo Alto verio hub than we would be:

:rgrimes {102}% traceroute cvsup2.freebsd.org
traceroute to burka.rdy.com (205.149.163.30), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  fe0-2.pdx19.or.nw.verio.net (157.238.26.41)  1.015 ms  0.927 ms  0.790 ms
 2  pdx16-hssi1-0.or.nw.verio.net (157.238.24.129)  1.077 ms  0.882 ms  0.965 ms
 3  fe4-0-0.pdx0.verio.net (129.250.30.129)  0.938 ms  1.051 ms  1.010 ms
 4  pdx0.smf1.verio.net (129.250.3.21)  13.407 ms  13.037 ms  12.920 ms
 5  smf1.smf0.verio.net (129.250.3.17)  13.822 ms  13.580 ms  13.574 ms
 6  smf0.pao5.verio.net (129.250.3.13)  17.470 ms  17.937 ms  17.463 ms
 7  vnc.pao.verio.net (129.250.15.11)  51.516 ms  18.302 ms  17.666 ms
 8  p0-0-0.cr1.mtvwca.pacific.verio.net (209.157.181.161)  18.742 ms  18.968 ms  18.941 ms
 9  p2-0-0.br1.mtvwca.pacific.verio.net (209.157.62.200)  19.761 ms  18.975 ms  19.143 ms
10  burka.rdy.com (205.149.163.30)  19.958 ms  21.191 ms  19.755 ms

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Art chimes in (pun intended!) I knew the GPS based reference clock
I built and connected to my FreeBSD box was good for something!
It's a stratum 1 clock which uses the 1 pps signal from a
Motorola Oncore UT+ GPS.  Works great.

:^)  :^)  :^)


At 10:23 PM 09/06/1999 +0200, you wrote:
>> On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Christophe Prevotaux wrote:
>> 
>> > Do I have to reinstall 3.2 RELEASE from CD and re CVSUP again ? 
>> > since I changed time by ntpdate ? 
>> 
>> No. An up-to-date time is really all you need.
>Agreed. That worked for me.
>
>I've been checking the relevant documentation on the subject
>(make world tutorial, FreeBSD handbook, 'The Complete FreeBSD'
>2nd and 3rd edition)
>and I could not find any explicit statement of the importance
>of a correctly set kernel/CMOS time. Maybe something for
>the tutorials/handbook/Complete FreeBSD ?
>
>*If your kernel/CMOS time is not set correctly, your 'make world' and
>'make install' of various ports may fail in unexpected ways*
>
>For fun/learning, I'll start playing around with system time
>and make buildworlds, and post the results here.
>
>Marc Veldman
>
>
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I've just cvsup RELENG_3 as of 22:15 MDT on Sept 06 

did a make clean
make buildworld
make installworld 
built and installed a new kernel and top gives me 

IN ~ AT Mon Sep  6-22:15:27
ON nemisis:skafte [4997] > top
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IN ~ AT Mon Sep  6-22:16:50
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also  systat -v gives
 
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Gregory Bond wrote:
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> > did a make clean
> > make buildworld
> > make installworld
> > built and installed a new kernel and top gives me
> 
> I know this sounds silly, but you did reboot after installing the new kernel?
> 
> Did you cvsup both the userland and kernel sources to the latest version?
> 
> It -really- sounds like user/kernel version mismatch.

I was thinking that ... I'm gonna do an rm -fR /sys/compile/KERNEL and 
redo the config KERNEL .... but should not a 

make depend all in /sys/compile/KERNEL catch any changes.....
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> I was thinking that ... I'm gonna do an rm -fR /sys/compile/KERNEL and 
> redo the config KERNEL .... but should not a 
> 
> make depend all in /sys/compile/KERNEL catch any changes.....

I've been caught by this before - you _need_ to do two different make commands:
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Gregory Bond wrote:
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> > I was thinking that ... I'm gonna do an rm -fR /sys/compile/KERNEL and
> > redo the config KERNEL .... but should not a
> >
> > make depend all in /sys/compile/KERNEL catch any changes.....
> 
> I've been caught by this before - you _need_ to do two different make commands:
>         make depend && make all
> because (unlike GNU make) the BSD make doesn't automagically reread updated
> dependency info between the "depend" bit and the "all" bit!

I rm -fRed /sys/compile/KERNEL 

rebuilt the kernel and rebooted.... and now things are happy
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peter@taronga.com wrote:
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> > It is. Without it, soffice keeps bringing up setup over and over instead
> > of just starting the damn office.
> 
> Well, my copy calls this file libosl517li.so, and doing this "sed" trick on
> it just makes it exit without doing anything. Not doing it gives me the
> previously noted "can't get out of setup" problem. And my .sversionrc file
> looked like it was fine.

Upgrade to -STABLE or -CURRENT.

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Hi,

I recently received the request (accompanied by patches to emphasize the
importance :-) from Junho Choi to add xpm to linux_base. xpm is used by X
binaries, including Netscape. I'm in doubt. What's your opinion?

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> Hi,
> 
> I recently received the request (accompanied by patches to emphasize the
> importance :-) from Junho Choi to add xpm to linux_base. xpm is used by X
> binaries, including Netscape. I'm in doubt. What's your opinion?

Definitely worthwhile.  At some point there'll probably have to be a 
break between "linux_base" and "linux_X", but in the meantime I think 
it's worthwhile.

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At 7:56 PM +0200 1999/9/6, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:

> Please stop spreading such disinformation. It only comes across as an
> infantile attempt to cover up the fact that you didn't do your
> homework, and it damages the project's reputation as well as your own.

	During the great Backbone Cabal wars [0] [1], I learned a couple of rules:

		1.  The first person to resort to negatively comparing the 
other side to Hitler or the Nazis automatically loses the argument.

		2.  The first person to resort to using ad hominem attacks 
(e.g., calling someone "infantile") automatically loses the argument.


	Now, I'll make a deal with you.  You tell me when you first 
learned your version of these rules on the 'net -- if that was before 
1986 I'll be perfectly happy to switch to using your version of the 
rules for any discussion(s) I may (or may not) have with you in the 
future.  Sound fair enough?





[0]  See <http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/jargon.html#backbone%20cabal>.

[1]  I was just one of many thousands of undergrad CS students.  I'm 
sure you wouldn't remember me.  ESR says that it broke up in late 
1988, but my personal recollection was that it was heaviest in 1986. 
Maybe that's just when I was most active in that battle.

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At 11:29 AM -0700 1999/9/6, Mike Smith wrote:

>                                                      Most of us are
> heartily sick of your side of the argument, and you're not likely to
> get many useful responses while you continue to display basic ignorance
> of the issues involved.

	Someone else was kind enough to explain to me why bpf is needed 
-- DHCP depends on it.  While I find this a very regrettable 
situation, and I would encourage work to try to help ensure that this 
is not the case for long, I also recognize the utility of DHCP 
out-of-the-box, and that bpf probably has to be left enabled by 
default until such time as this problem can be fixed.

	However, I believe you will find that reasoned logical arguments 
such as "Feature X is required because of Y" will be much more likely 
to be a useful response and to quickly terminate any unnecessary or 
undesirable discussion of topics than something along the lines of 
"we're all sick and goddamn tired of this shit, so fsck off".

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Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be> writes:
> 	I think I'm beginning to understand the attitude problem that 
> Linux advocates have accused the FreeBSD camp of.

You're the one with an attitude problem. Like Mike said, you have no
idea, not even a trace of an inkling, about how long and how hard this
matter was discussed before bpf was enabled in GENERIC. Go read the
archives, take a cold shower, and come back when you're prepared to
listen and not just preach.

DES
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Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be> writes:
> 	I read the web page.  It was not self-evident to me that the 
> supfile that would be created by default was not the same supfile 
> that was referenced on the web page.

I totally fail to comprehend what you might possibly mean by "the
supfile that would be created by default", since the only reference to
a supfile on that page is a link to a *correct* supfile for RELENG_3.
Refer to section 18.2.3, paragraph 2, alinea b in the handbook.

DES
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Alex Perel <veers@disturbed.net> writes:
> On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Brad Knowles wrote:
> > 	However, it might be a bit more difficult to script creating and 
> > installing a new kernel to turn on the ability for people to do 
> > password sniffing. [...]
> Huh? 
> # echo 'pseudo-device bpf' >> MYKERNEL
> # config MYKERNEL
> etc.

Actually, it's still "bpfilter" in -STABLE. I didn't MFC the name
change, since it would have been a gratuitous breach of POLA.

> And what are you going to do when bpf becomes a KLD? Scream and shout that
> KLDs are evil because they let a cracker who obtained superuser privilige to
> load BPF support? 

KLD modules already let you do much, much more serious stuff than this
(refer to Pragmatic/THC's recent article about writing stealth modules
to hijack syscalls: http://thc.pimmel.com/files/thc/bsdkern.html), but
like bpf, if the attacker can use them (s)he already has root.

DES
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If I mount an msdos floppy read-write when the disk has write protection
turned on it hangs the system. This sometimes happens if I access the disk and 
everytime I try to copy to it. I am not aware of this being fixed in -stable.

Sep  7 10:15:51 x /kernel: fd0c: hard error writing fsbn 19 (ST0 40<abnrml> ST1 2<write_protect> ST2 0 cyl 0 hd 1 sec 2)

Obviously it is not correct to mount read-write on a write protected disk but
a hang is surely not right.


Regards
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> 	Someone else was kind enough to explain to me why bpf is needed 
> -- DHCP depends on it.  While I find this a very regrettable 
> situation, and I would encourage work to try to help ensure that this 

And I encourage you to email obrien@nuxi.com a set of patches to either
dhclient or the kernel to get around this unfortunate dependence.  They
will be graciously accepted and committed.

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> Given my above statement of _why_ bpf is needed I think it would be
> safe to assume that FreeBSD has done do deligence in it's task of
> weighting functionality vs security

Correct.  And that is why I reduced the number of bpf pseudo-devices from
4 to 1 -- the minimum number we can do a DHCP install and post-install
configuration with.

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On Tue, Sep 07, 1999 at 09:41:37AM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote:
> 	However, I believe you will find that reasoned logical arguments 
> such as "Feature X is required because of Y" will be much more likely 
> to be a useful response and to quickly terminate any unnecessary or 
> undesirable discussion of topics than something along the lines of 
> "we're all sick and goddamn tired of this shit, so fsck off".

The very first response (and several subsequent ones) to your
initial posting said (to paraphrase):

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/search.cgi?words=enabling+bpf+in+GENERIC&max=25&sort=score&source=freebsd-hackers

That you interpreted it to mean the latter is an indication of
your own unfamiliarity with the mailing lists.

-- 
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Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be> writes:
> 	During the great Backbone Cabal wars [0] [1], I learned a couple of rules:
> 
> 		1.  The first person to resort to negatively comparing the 
> other side to Hitler or the Nazis automatically loses the argument.
> 
> 		2.  The first person to resort to using ad hominem attacks 
> (e.g., calling someone "infantile") automatically loses the argument.

I'll add my own:

		3. The first person to resort to rank or seniority to
compensate for a lack of valid arguments automatically loses the
argument.

> 	Now, I'll make a deal with you.  You tell me when you first 
> learned your version of these rules on the 'net -- if that was before 
> 1986 I'll be perfectly happy to switch to using your version of the 
> rules for any discussion(s) I may (or may not) have with you in the 
> future.  Sound fair enough?

Please hold the line while I fall off my chair and laugh my head off.

DES
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Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no> writes:
> 		3. The first person to resort to rank or seniority to
> compensate for a lack of valid arguments automatically loses the
> argument.

Oh, and I forgot:

		4. The first person to resort to net.god name-dropping
to compensate for a lack of valid arguments automatically loses the
argument.

(and my g/f says I should use "relevant arguments" instead of "valid
arguments")

DES
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Tue Sep  7  2: 8:15 1999
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On Mon, 06 Sep 1999 22:23:33 +0200, Marc Veldman wrote:

> Maybe something for the tutorials/handbook/Complete FreeBSD ?

Perhaps.  It's quite likely to happen if you send in a complete
submission.

> *If your kernel/CMOS time is not set correctly, your 'make world' and
> 'make install' of various ports may fail in unexpected ways*

The problem is that incorrect system time can affect a good number of
things.  You've hit one of them.  We could address the one you hit in
the FAQ.  How do we address the next one that pops up, and the next one
after that?  Also, keep in mind that, as the world target evolves,
incorrect system time will brak world in different places, so it's very
difficult to formulate the right frequently asked question.

Ciao,
Sheldon.


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On Mon, 06 Sep 1999 20:06:31 -0400, "Alok K. Dhir" wrote:

> Any reason why this isn't in the handbook?

Because nobody's done the work.  The new boot stuff is quite new.  The
freebsd-doc mailing list would be a good place to ask whether anyone
else has gotten started on this, to make sure you don't duplicate their
efforts. :-)

Later,
Sheldon.


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From: Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be>
Subject: Re: softupdates in latest build?
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At 11:29 AM -0700 1999/9/6, Mike Smith wrote:

> Again, it is imperative that you _read_ the technical discussions that
> preceeded this, or any, change before you leap in and criticise it
> blindly.

	I went back and carefully re-read 
<http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/stable.html>.  While it says that 
you should subscribe to the -stable and cvs-all mailing lists if you 
want to track -STABLE, it says nothing about reading every single 
message on every single FreeBSD-related mailing list before 
attempting to do anything, and certainly before attempting to post 
any messages.


	If that is going to be a requirement, then you might want to make 
some changes to the way subscriptions are handled.  I'm sure it 
wouldn't be too hard to take all the archives of all the mailing 
lists and mail them out to any non-subscriber who ever attempts to 
post to the mailing list, or to anyone who attempts to actually 
subscribe to the lists.

	You could embed the instructions on how to really subscribe to 
the mailing list within the megabytes (or is it gigabytes?) that 
would be sent out, and if you made proper use of all current 
technology in compression, cryptography, steganography, and encoding 
technology, you could be quite well assured that anyone who managed 
to get through would either have actually read and understood every 
single message that was sent to them in the archives, or that they 
had a friend who had already done so.


	All I can promise that I do is that I *try* to do all the 
possible research beforehand (I like to be self-sufficient, so I 
would prefer to RTFM than resort to asking people for the answers, 
even if asking people would be faster or easier), and that when I do 
finally post to a mailing list or newsgroup, I usually try to 
document what resources I've used to get to the point where I'm at, 
and what problems I am facing for which I have not found the solution 
in the documentation.

	I still believe that this overall approach is the correct one. 
If there is a flaw in this overall approach, I would appreciate it if 
you would share your wisdom on that subject.

-- 
    I'm perfectly willing to RTFM.  In fact, I prefer it.  However,
   sometimes I need a little assistance in determining just exactly
  which section of which FM I should be R'ing.  Detailed suggestions
as to precisely which section of which FM should be R are appreciated.
       -Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be>


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From owner-freebsd-stable  Tue Sep  7  3:18:13 1999
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From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no>
Date: 07 Sep 1999 12:15:23 +0200
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David Gilbert <dgilbert@velocet.ca> writes:
> Given that, I have a question: Are there substantial differences
> between 3-STABLE and the 3.3-RELEASE branch?

There is no 3.3-RELEASE branch. 3.3-RELEASE, when it is released, will
be a point along the 3-STABLE branch.

DES
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This crap definitely does not belong on this list.

Please take it offline.

> At 7:56 PM +0200 1999/9/6, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:
> 
> > Please stop spreading such disinformation. It only comes across as an
> > infantile attempt to cover up the fact that you didn't do your
> > homework, and it damages the project's reputation as well as your own.
> 
> 	During the great Backbone Cabal wars [0] [1], I learned a couple of rul
es:
> 
> 		1.  The first person to resort to negatively comparing the 
> other side to Hitler or the Nazis automatically loses the argument.
> 
> 		2.  The first person to resort to using ad hominem attacks 
> (e.g., calling someone "infantile") automatically loses the argument.
> 
> 
> 	Now, I'll make a deal with you.  You tell me when you first 
> learned your version of these rules on the 'net -- if that was before 
> 1986 I'll be perfectly happy to switch to using your version of the 
> rules for any discussion(s) I may (or may not) have with you in the 
> future.  Sound fair enough?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [0]  See <http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/jargon.html#backbone%20cabal>.
> 
> [1]  I was just one of many thousands of undergrad CS students.  I'm 
> sure you wouldn't remember me.  ESR says that it broke up in late 
> 1988, but my personal recollection was that it was heaviest in 1986. 
> Maybe that's just when I was most active in that battle.
> 
> -- 
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>   ____________________________________________________________________
> |o| Brad Knowles, <blk@skynet.be>            Belgacom Skynet NV/SA |o|
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>    Unix is very user-friendly.  It's just picky who its friends are.
> 
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Is it possible to limit this flamewar to just one list or, even better, move
it off the freebsd lists?




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on Tuesday, 7 Sep 1999 15:58:12, Gene Sokolov wrote:
> Is it possible to limit this flamewar to just one list or, even better, move
> it off the freebsd lists?

I agree, I can't understand where this will arrives. We are spend our
time, personal troubles and gossips aren't matters to any freebsd list.

PS: Sorry for my poor inglish.

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On Tue, Sep 07, 1999 at 03:58:12PM +0400, Gene Sokolov wrote:
> Is it possible to limit this flamewar to just one list or, even better, move
> it off the freebsd lists?

freebsd-flamewars@freebsd.org.uk is the place for this kind of thing ;)

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[At the risk of posting to the wrong list, as I deleted the original
message after reading it ...]

Jordan wanted to know if the Power Pak had been seen at any CompUSA
stores outside of California.  Well, I saw it today at a CompUSA here
in Lexington KY for $49.99 and bought a copy since my order at
freebsdmall disappeared into the ether.  We run cvsup and buildworld
weekly so as to have the latest available for installworlds, but we
wanted to have some recent CDs around and a newer version of the book
(we have the 1st edition and the Power Pak comes with the 3rd edition).

Another customer bought a copy just after I did.  He thought it was
quite a deal with 10 CDs and book.

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This is primarily to Mr. Brad Knowles, who cannot fathom what else the
readers of this list would rather do than read his alarmist rants. I do not
(and neither does anyone else) want a reply, and I only provide this to the
entire list so we can use the archived version to deal with others like Mr.
Knowles. 

A: You told me in your email you were concerned about the CURRENT GENERIC
kernel. This is STABLE, and you are off topic.

B: RTFM --I told you in my email to do your homework, which you said you
have done, and would do EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T KNOW HOW. Rather than ask me
to help you find the *searchable* mailing list archives, you are more
centered on sharing your condition of excitement with others. Go away. More
specifically, go to http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html

C: You are LAME: unable to find the answers yourself, even if you had to do
things the hard way and 
   grep -lR "bpf" /usr/src
to find out just what is going on with bpf. The first lesson a lamer needs
is RTFM. See point B. This is not an *ad-hominem* argument. You violate the
mailing list protocol/ettiquette and therefore deserve to be flamed. You
also deserve answers to your burning questions, but we all have a really
hard time doing that because you are out of context and need to RTFM. We
could give you a useless mountain of information, but we won't because that
is stupid and rude. We need good questions before we can give any answer.

D: You are rude to assume that everyone in this is stupid enough to overlook
the risks involved with bpf. Your original question on this thread went
somethign like: DO YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF LEGAL LIABILITY YOU'RE ASSUMING
WITH THIS SEEMINGLY STUPID ACT? You are rude to bring up crap like "Backbone
Cabal Wars" like it will give you some credibility. We don't care. You are
rude to refer to an outside source without even *offering* to provide an URL
or reference so we can RTFM. Maybe we should just take it on your authority?
HA! That's not the way we do things on the 'net. If you can substantiate it,
REFERENCE IT. If you can't substantiate it, GO FIND YOUR EVIDENCE. 


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From owner-freebsd-stable  Tue Sep  7  6:18:28 1999
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Brad Knowles wrote in message ID
<v04205501b3fa71304ab7@[195.238.1.121]>:
> 	Someone else was kind enough to explain to me why bpf is needed 
> -- DHCP depends on it.  While I find this a very regrettable 
> situation, and I would encourage work to try to help ensure that this 
> is not the case for long

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I'm using WMaker, and I'm not using the "no async dns" option. Whatever the
combination is, X grows in memory until it exposes hardware instabilities in
my system. X never gets that big in memory unless I run Communicator. It's
just that the odds of a crash are low when I'm not using much memory and
when I leave Communicator up for days or run multiple buildworlds I can
produce some random segfaults (processes terminate with signal 11) and
rarely a signal 4. 

Doug wrote:
> 
> Jeremy McMillan wrote:
> >
> > I have 128M RAM and 512M swap, and if I leave Communicator4.6 up for a long
> > period (two days?) it will take X out, and my system will reboot to boot. I
> > have issues with my CPU too, but Communicator brings out the worst in it :).
> 
>         Ok, you didn't mention what WM you're using. I noticed back when I ran
> afterstep that a netscape lockup would take out netscape, afterstep and X.
> With KDE the worst I have to do is occasionally kill netscape and restart
> it. Also, are you using the no async dns option? It's an environment
> variable that you set to prevent netscape from sucking up another 16M of
> ram for it's silly little DNS helper. Check out
> /usr/local/lib/netscape/README for more info.
> 
> > I seriously doubt this is a STABLE issue.
> 
>         I agree.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Doug

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From: Gerald Pfeifer <pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at>
To: Marcel Moolenaar <marcel@scc.nl>
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On Tue, 7 Sep 1999, Marcel Moolenaar wrote:
> I recently received the request (accompanied by patches to emphasize the
> importance :-) from Junho Choi to add xpm to linux_base. xpm is used by X
> binaries, including Netscape. I'm in doubt. What's your opinion?

I think it would be great! xpm is really quite widely used.

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> > Have all the problems wrt cvsupp-ed kernel builds been sorted out then ?
> > Or should 'to be upgraded' boxes hold back for a couple more days ?
> 
> You should be able to build the world and kernels in -stable now.
> 
> - Jordan
> 
> 

Thanks

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In NYC, a friend of mine saw it at a CompUSA for 39.99.  Wow, I didn't
realize it'd be so cheap.  

Kenn Martin wrote:
> 
> [At the risk of posting to the wrong list, as I deleted the original
> message after reading it ...]
> 
> Jordan wanted to know if the Power Pak had been seen at any CompUSA
> stores outside of California.  Well, I saw it today at a CompUSA here
> in Lexington KY for $49.99 and bought a copy since my order at
> freebsdmall disappeared into the ether.  We run cvsup and buildworld
> weekly so as to have the latest available for installworlds, but we
> wanted to have some recent CDs around and a newer version of the book
> (we have the 1st edition and the Power Pak comes with the 3rd edition).
> 
> Another customer bought a copy just after I did.  He thought it was
> quite a deal with 10 CDs and book.
> 
> --
> Kenn Martin
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On Tue, 7 Sep 1999, Laurence Berland wrote:

> In NYC, a friend of mine saw it at a CompUSA for 39.99.  Wow, I didn't
> realize it'd be so cheap.  

I was going to attempt an online order, however it seems that the site
isn't Netscape friendly (i get a blank page), either that or demand for
the PowerPack has "slashdotted" the site. :)

Anyone know if it's possble to order it at that rate online?

-Alfred

> 
> Kenn Martin wrote:
> > 
> > [At the risk of posting to the wrong list, as I deleted the original
> > message after reading it ...]
> > 
> > Jordan wanted to know if the Power Pak had been seen at any CompUSA
> > stores outside of California.  Well, I saw it today at a CompUSA here
> > in Lexington KY for $49.99 and bought a copy since my order at
> > freebsdmall disappeared into the ether.  We run cvsup and buildworld
> > weekly so as to have the latest available for installworlds, but we
> > wanted to have some recent CDs around and a newer version of the book
> > (we have the 1st edition and the Power Pak comes with the 3rd edition).
> > 
> > Another customer bought a copy just after I did.  He thought it was
> > quite a deal with 10 CDs and book.
> > 
> > --
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Subject: newly introduced repeatable SMP hang in STABLE/3.3-RC
From: Alan Judge <Alan.Judge@indigo.ie>
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 19:16:44 +0100
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[Given the nearness of 3.3, I've put what I can quickly in a message
 here.  If opening a PR with more info would help, please let me
 know.]

I've just updated my SMP test machine to STABLE as of today and can
now repeatably hang the box.  Looks like it's stuck at some spl level,
as it will respond to pings, but all user processes are stuck.  More
info below.

The same problem appears in STABLE as of 27th August.  Both versions
have a problem with hanging on an SMP platform.  STABLE as of 23rd
July didn't hang in the same way.

I can now repeatably hang a dual-CPU box (Dell 2300) running STABLE as
of this afternoon.  I suspect the hang is device/networking related,
as various user activities provoke it; doing make buildworld in an NFS
directory works a charm :-)

I think I can repeat this problem at will.  I can get into DDB and
have a core dump with matching kernel and debugging symbols, but I'm
not sure what information is useful when tracking SMP problems.  I'm
not familiar with the 386 MP architecture.  I'll happily try anything
people want to suggest.  None of the stuff in the FAQ/Handbook covers
the sort of information it is useful to gather for SMP problems.

The trackback in DDB and the core dump show the machine stuck in
MPgetlock(), but no useful stuff before that.  Perhaps I can get at a
useful stack or frame elsewhere?  Anyway, I've attached what I can below.
--
Alan

quango# uname -a
FreeBSD quango.indigo.ie 3.3-RC FreeBSD 3.3-RC #0: Tue Sep  7 15:15:32 IST 1999     judgea@quango.indigo.ie:/f5/misc/FreeBSD/stable/src/sys/compile/QUANGO.SMP  i386
quango# gdb -k *.1               
GNU gdb 4.18
Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "i386-unknown-freebsd"...
IdlePTD 3198976
initial pcb at 2818bc
panicstr: from debugger
panic messages:
---
panic: from debugger
mp_lock = 0005d768; cpuid = 0; lapic.id = 01000000
boot() called on cpu#0

syncing disks... 30 29 14 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 done

dumping to dev 20401, offset 524288
dump 256 255 254 253 252 251 250 249 248 247 246 245 244 243 242 241 240 239 238 237 236 235 234 233 232 231 230 229 228 227 226 225 224 223 222 221 220 219 218 217 216 215 214 213 212 211 210 209 208 207 206 205 204 203 202 201 200 199 198 197 196 195 194 193 192 191 190 189 188 187 186 185 184 183 182 181 180 179 178 177 176 175 174 173 172 171 170 169 168 167 166 165 164 163 162 161 160 159 158 157 156 155 154 153 152 151 150 149 148 147 146 145 144 143 142 141 140 139 138 137 136 135 134 133 132 131 130 129 128 127 126 125 124 123 122 121 120 119 118 117 116 115 114 113 112 111 110 109 108 107 106 105 104 103 102 101 100 99 98 97 96 95 94 93 92 91 90 89 88 87 86 85 84 83 82 81 80 79 78 77 76 75 74 73 72 71 70 69 68 67 66 65 64 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 
---
#0  boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:285
285                     dumppcb.pcb_cr3 = rcr3();
(kgdb) bt
#0  boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:285
#1  0xc015d199 in panic (fmt=0xc0248c24 "from debugger")
    at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:446
#2  0xc012d2d9 in db_panic (addr=-1071530509, have_addr=0, count=-1, 
    modif=0xcbbd7da4 "") at ../../ddb/db_command.c:432
#3  0xc012d279 in db_command (last_cmdp=0xc026953c, cmd_table=0xc026939c, 
    aux_cmd_tablep=0xc027efcc) at ../../ddb/db_command.c:332
#4  0xc012d33e in db_command_loop () at ../../ddb/db_command.c:454
#5  0xc012f7b7 in db_trap (type=3, code=0) at ../../ddb/db_trap.c:71
#6  0xc021bb95 in kdb_trap (type=3, code=0, regs=0xcbbd7e98)
    at ../../i386/i386/db_interface.c:157
#7  0xc022e108 in trap (frame={tf_es = -1071448048, tf_ds = -1070989296, 
      tf_edi = -1071589272, tf_esi = 134, tf_ebp = -876773668, 
      tf_isp = -876773696, tf_ebx = 0, tf_edx = -1071265453, tf_ecx = 1, 
      tf_eax = 38, tf_trapno = 3, tf_err = 0, tf_eip = -1071530509, tf_cs = 8, 
      tf_eflags = 582, tf_esp = -1071265469, tf_ss = -1071277614})
    at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:548
#8  0xc021bdf3 in Debugger (msg=0xc02599d2 "manual escape to debugger")
    at ../../i386/i386/db_interface.c:317
#9  0xc02163bc in scgetc (kbd=0xc0294c98, flags=2)
    at ../../dev/syscons/syscons.c:3947
#10 0xc0210e40 in sckbdevent (thiskbd=0xc0294c98, event=0, arg=0x0)
    at ../../dev/syscons/syscons.c:844
#11 0xc020d733 in atkbd_intr (kbd=0xc0294c98, arg=0x0)
    at ../../dev/kbd/atkbd.c:564
#12 0xc0233124 in atkbd_isa_intr (unit=0) at ../../i386/isa/atkbd_isa.c:84
#13 0xc0229747 in MPgetlock ()
#14 0x28171b75 in ?? ()
#15 0x2815a272 in ?? ()
#16 0x2815a049 in ?? ()
#17 0x281502b8 in ?? ()
#18 0x280e7960 in ?? ()
#19 0x8050021 in ?? ()
#20 0x804e0fd in ?? ()
#21 0x8051d94 in ?? ()
#22 0x8057c75 in ?? ()
#23 0x804bb11 in ?? ()
(kgdb) print/x mp_lock
$1 = 0x5d768
(kgdb) frame 13
#13 0xc0229747 in MPgetlock ()
(kgdb) i frame
Stack level 13, frame at 0xbfbfd09c:
 eip = 0xc0229747 in MPgetlock; saved eip 0x28171b75
 (FRAMELESS), called by frame at 0xbfbfd0b4, caller of frame at 0xcbbd7f4c
 Arglist at 0xbfbfd09c, args: 
 Locals at 0xbfbfd09c, Previous frame's sp is 0x0
 Saved registers:
  ebp at 0xbfbfd09c, eip at 0xbfbfd0a0
(kgdb) i reg
eax            0x0      0
ecx            0x0      0
edx            0x0      0
ebx            0x281bf494       672920724
esp            0xcbbd7db4       0xcbbd7db4
ebp            0xbfbfd09c       0xbfbfd09c
esi            0xbfbfd17c       -1077948036
edi            0x20     32
eip            0xc021d6ec       0xc021d6ec
eflags         0x0      0
cs             0x0      0
ss             0x0      0
ds             0x0      0
es             0x0      0
fs             0x27     39
gs             0x27     39


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On Tue, Sep 07, 1999 at 11:15:21AM +0000, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 7 Sep 1999, Laurence Berland wrote:
> 
> > In NYC, a friend of mine saw it at a CompUSA for 39.99.  Wow, I didn't
> > realize it'd be so cheap.  
> 
> I was going to attempt an online order, however it seems that the site
> isn't Netscape friendly (i get a blank page), either that or demand for
> the PowerPack has "slashdotted" the site. :)
> 
> Anyone know if it's possble to order it at that rate online?

It is listed at $99.95 on
http://www.freebsdmall.com/software/#bsdpak

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Hi !

Is there a certain reason, that _DFTP_INTERNAL_LS is defined in
-current but not in STABLE ? Could that go into 3.3-RELEASE ?

As far as I heard it is the useful feature, that you don't need
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Might be useful for ISP's for ftp uploads for virtual webservers...

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Following up to my own message.  I've discovered that using ping -f on
the SMP machine is enough to hang the machine in seconds, which at
least takes more complex things like NFS and so on out of the picture.
(This is a 100Mb switched environment; both machines have Intel Pro
100+ cards.)

Entertainly, the partially hung SMP box will still answer pings, so you can
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I just downloaded the 30upgrade-1999.05.20 packages.
No READMEs are there to guide me further on
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"A convenience package to upgrade your 3.0 system to 3-stable for ports"  

Anyone that could help?
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> I just downloaded the 30upgrade-1999.05.20 packages.
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> how to use
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> 
> Anyone that could help?
> Thanks in advance!
> Please send me a copy as Im not on the list.
as root do the following

	1. cd /path/to/30upgrade-1999.05.20
	2. pkg_add 30upgrade-1999.05.20

t should take care of ya ...

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>> *If your kernel/CMOS time is not set correctly, your 'make world' and
>> 'make install' of various ports may fail in unexpected ways*

Can someone please explain the linkage (if any) between the kernel's
idea of the time, and the CMOS clock on the motherboard?

I know Solaris x86 attempts to keep them in sync.  There's a
/etc/system switch to turn that off if, for example, you're running
xntp (so you don't have several processes fiddling with kernel
time).

I know Interactive UNIX (yes, I'm that old, and yes, we still have
some running) will set the CMOS clock anytime settimeofday(3) is
called.


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> > 	Someone else was kind enough to explain to me why bpf is needed 
> > -- DHCP depends on it.  While I find this a very regrettable 
> > situation, and I would encourage work to try to help ensure that this 
> 
> And I encourage you to email obrien@nuxi.com a set of patches to either
> dhclient or the kernel to get around this unfortunate dependence.  They
> will be graciously accepted and committed.

And while you're at it, please send me patches to implement PPPoE 
without bpf :-)

> -- 
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Isn't this *wedged* instead of *hung*? 
(Re: info jargon)

 and what *exactly* is wedged/hung? I'm trying to get a better idea about
how the SMP kernel works (ie. on what levels SMP code enters the picture).

Could this be that one kernel thread is wedged in a state where it has a
lock on a resource, but it can still do low level functions like handle
ICMP? Maybe the other thread hung, and thus cannot release the lock on
whatever resource the working (ICMP reachable kernel thread) needs to
resume process managment services? What kernel resource do threads take
turns locking?

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On Tue, 7 Sep 1999, Alan Judge wrote:

> Following up to my own message.  I've discovered that using ping -f on
> the SMP machine is enough to hang the machine in seconds, which at
> least takes more complex things like NFS and so on out of the picture.
> (This is a 100Mb switched environment; both machines have Intel Pro
> 100+ cards.)
> 
> Entertainly, the partially hung SMP box will still answer pings, so you can
> ping -f it from elsewhere fine.
> --
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> Could this be that one kernel thread is wedged in a state where it has a
> lock on a resource, but it can still do low level functions like handle
> ICMP? Maybe the other thread hung, and thus cannot release the lock on
> whatever resource the working (ICMP reachable kernel thread) needs to
> resume process managment services? What kernel resource do threads take
> turns locking?

A 'wedged' host that is pingable is locked in the kernel for some 
reason, but without at least some interrupts masked.  ICMP echo replies 
are generated in interrupt context.

If the machine is pingable but you can't get to DDB, chances are that 
you're in some code running at spltty, which may be code related to 
serial I/O, console output, or printer I/O.  In particular, turning off 
an attached printer can cause this.  (I don't think this is the 
plaintiff's problem though.)

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On Mon, 30 Aug 1999, Thomas Veldhouse wrote:

> Yesterday, I downloaded the snaptshot, 0829, for 3.2-STABLE and I have
> noticed what appears to me to be a bug.  I have not been able to track
> down the cause.  During installation, I chose the option to set up my
> machine as a NFS Server.  I added the following line to my /etc/exports
> file:
> 
> /usr/src -alldirs 192.168.0.3
> 
> I was hoping to make my src available to another machine I am planning on
> upgrading.  The other machine is too slow to compile the kernel, so I want
> to install it via NFS from the fast machine.
> 
> Anyway, the machine I just installed the snapshot on gives me an error on
> boot up after a long pause when trying to load rpc.statd.  The error
> (sorry, I am paraphrasing a bit) says that nfsd failed to register udp
> with portmap.  Well, I made sure portmap was running.  I also tried
> removing the -u option from the nfsd options, but then I get the same
> error with tcp.  I never had this problem under 3.1 (or perhaps even
> 3.2-RELEASE), so something has gone sour.

Did you turn NFSd on?

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FreeBSD myname.my.domain 3.3-RC FreeBSD 3.3-RC #15: Tue Sep  7 17:46:52
EST 1999     root@myname.my.domain:/usr/src/sys/compile/ETOSHA  i386


I was running 3.2Stable, so i decided to cvsup RELENG_3.
Everything were ok! But now my uname is not 3.2Stable, but 3.3-RC!

What is 3.3-RC ?


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Rodney W. Grimes wrote:

> Do we have a cvsup mirror hanging off of verio any place?

I'm not sure, but I don't think we do.

> If not I should be able to arrange for one that would be DS-3
> connected.

That would be a nice addition!

John


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on Tuesday, 7 Sep 1999 21:58:39, Gustavo V G C Rios wrote:
> FreeBSD myname.my.domain 3.3-RC FreeBSD 3.3-RC #15: Tue Sep  7 17:46:52
> EST 1999     root@myname.my.domain:/usr/src/sys/compile/ETOSHA  i386
> 
> 
> I was running 3.2Stable, so i decided to cvsup RELENG_3.
> Everything were ok! But now my uname is not 3.2Stable, but 3.3-RC!
> 
> What is 3.3-RC ?

Posso falar portugues? Bem, significa release candidate, ou seja,
quase o release definitivo. Don't worry.

> 
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> FreeBSD myname.my.domain 3.3-RC FreeBSD 3.3-RC #15: Tue Sep  7 17:46:52
> EST 1999     root@myname.my.domain:/usr/src/sys/compile/ETOSHA  i386
> 
> 
> I was running 3.2Stable, so i decided to cvsup RELENG_3.
> Everything were ok! But now my uname is not 3.2Stable, but 3.3-RC!
> 
> What is 3.3-RC ?

It stands for 3.3-Read-Commitlogs.

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3.3RC is Release Candidate.  It's the testing version just before the
release of 3.3, which I believe is scheduled for sept 15th

Gustavo V G C Rios wrote:
> 
> FreeBSD myname.my.domain 3.3-RC FreeBSD 3.3-RC #15: Tue Sep  7 17:46:52
> EST 1999     root@myname.my.domain:/usr/src/sys/compile/ETOSHA  i386
> 
> I was running 3.2Stable, so i decided to cvsup RELENG_3.
> Everything were ok! But now my uname is not 3.2Stable, but 3.3-RC!
> 
> What is 3.3-RC ?
> 
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cvsup2.freebsd.org, aka burka.rdy.com is connected to best.net
which is owned by Verio so I guess you could say kind-of :)

Here is my traceroute:

$ traceroute cvsup2.freebsd.org
traceroute to burka.rdy.com (205.149.163.30), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  gw1 (204.188.68.1)  0.824 ms  0.766 ms  0.778 ms
 2  border1-hssi2-0-0-200.san-francisco.best.net (140.174.100.1)  31.928 ms  124.517 ms  36.799 ms
 3  core1-fe11-0-0.mv.best.net (206.184.188.1)  43.967 ms  32.737 ms  32.212 ms
 4  burka.rdy.com (205.149.163.30)  32.599 ms  33.551 ms  33.164 ms

- Kent

According to John Polstra:
> Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
> 
> > Do we have a cvsup mirror hanging off of verio any place?
> 
> I'm not sure, but I don't think we do.
> 
> > If not I should be able to arrange for one that would be DS-3
> > connected.
> 
> That would be a nice addition!
> 
> John
> 
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From the Vinum intro:

"In order to perform its functionality, Vinum allocates a large
 number of dynamic data structures. Currently these structures are
 allocated by calling kernel malloc. This is a potential problem,
 since malloc interacts with the virtual memory system and may
 trigger a page fault. The potential for a deadlock exists if the
 page fault requires a transfer to a Vinum volume. It is probable
 that Vinum will modify its allocation strategy by reserving a small
 number of buffers when it starts and using these if a malloc request
 fails."

Has this "potential problem" been addressed in the Vinum in Stable?

If not, is there any other way to prevent a system panic if a drive 
containing a swap partition fails?

	-Michael Robinson




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On Tue, Sep 07, 1999 at 05:55:13PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote:
> > FreeBSD myname.my.domain 3.3-RC FreeBSD 3.3-RC #15: Tue Sep  7 17:46:52
> > EST 1999     root@myname.my.domain:/usr/src/sys/compile/ETOSHA  i386
> > 
> > 
> > I was running 3.2Stable, so i decided to cvsup RELENG_3.
> > Everything were ok! But now my uname is not 3.2Stable, but 3.3-RC!
> > 
> > What is 3.3-RC ?
> 
> It stands for 3.3-Read-Commitlogs.
> 
Hmm, I thought it stands for 3.3-Reset-Compatibility.

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Jeremy> Isn't this *wedged* instead of *hung*?

I guess it depends on your terminology.  Wedged is probably more
accurate though.

Jeremy>  and what *exactly* is wedged/hung?

All user-land processes, though ICMP still works, you can still get
into DDB, hitting a key on the console correctly disables the screen
saver, and you can still switch between VTYs.

And to answer Mike Smith's message as well, this makes it sound like
it's not spltty.  I don't know enough about the interrupt internals
for FreeBSD, since most of my kernel hacking has been on other
platforms.  Is there any easy way to tell from a dump what the current
spl was.  From the code it looks like cpl is the right variable.  It's
set to all ones, which looks like splhigh or splclock.  But that could
be a result of being in DDB or a side effect of MPgetlock.

Anyone know how to trace where MPgetlock is called from and what the
other CPU is doing?
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On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 20:19:56 +0200, Andreas Klemm wrote:

> Is there a certain reason, that _DFTP_INTERNAL_LS is defined in
> -current but not in STABLE ?

Yes, it's because of the standard policy of giving changes time to prove
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> Could that go into 3.3-RELEASE ?

That will depend on how Jordan responds to your request for an MFC
during freeze. :-)

I'm pretty sure he'd want the manpage cleaned up properly first.
Particularly, the paragraph describing ~ftp/bin should either be removed
or modified, I'm not sure which.

Ciao,
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Hi folks!

Excuse me for direct e-mail not through free-bsd-mail-list-forum
but the next is very interesting for me

On Sun, 4 Jul 1999, Juergen Lock wrote:

> In article <199906131005.MAA72055@yedi.iaf.nl> you write:
> >As Andreas Braukmann wrote ...
> 
> >Maybe the Yamaha, being a CDRW drive does not report itself as a CD after
> >boot/SCSI bus reset? Just guessing here..
> 
> 
>  My Yamaha 4416S reports itself as a CD, did so with firmware 1.0f and now
> does with 1.0g.  

Ive got the same model YAMAHA 4416S 1.0f and still cant find any
information
how to collect files for creating img file or just prepare file table
for further burning cd. Man has only descreption about preparing cd-r
and etc. Ive been reading cd-burning thread in free-bsd-questions but no
results. Rock Ridge format need to be created under FreeBSD of course
and Id like to burn some -stable snapshots and ports. As I remember
CDROM.ORG removed their img of 3.2-RELEASE cause of some annoying errors
in release. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

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Michael Robinson wrote:
> 
> If not, is there any other way to prevent a system panic if a drive
> containing a swap partition fails?

As BSD accesses it's swap partitions round-robin like there should
not be any improvement in putting it on a striped volume.
The only reason for putting swap on a vinum disk would be
for fault tolerance (raid5) but that makes it rather slow in swapping
out.

So what does one get from putting swap onto vinum drives?

Regards,
         Karl

BTW: Is swapping to vinum supported?


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Karl Dietz <Karl.Dietz@triplan.com> writes:
>Michael Robinson wrote:
>> If not, is there any other way to prevent a system panic if a drive
>> containing a swap partition fails?
>
>So what does one get from putting swap onto vinum drives?

If a drive containing a swap partition fails, the system won't panic.
For performance, you want to spread your swap across as many spindles
as possible.  For reliability, you don't want to do that.  Vinum potentially
allows you to have performance and reliability.

Obviously, one would use RAID 0+1, not RAID 5, for such an application.

>BTW: Is swapping to vinum supported?

Swapping to anything is supported ("man vnconfig").  The question is this:
will swapping to a vinum volume deadlock vm under -STABLE, or has the
simple fix described in the vinum introduction been implemented?

	-Michael Robinson




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The CFLAGS in src/sys/boot/i386/kgzldr/Makefile contains "-Os".  This seems
to be an egcsism (at least gcc-2.3.2.3 doesn't like it, and aborts the make).

What's the story on that?

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On Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 07:58:13PM +0800, Michael Robinson wrote:
> The CFLAGS in src/sys/boot/i386/kgzldr/Makefile contains "-Os".  This seems
> to be an egcsism (at least gcc-2.3.2.3 doesn't like it, and aborts the make).
> 
> What's the story on that?
> 
> 	-Michael Robinson

You have the -current sources, check your cvsup(1) configuration!

# cvs di -r1.3 -rRELENG_3 Makefile
Index: Makefile
===================================================================
RCS file: /usr/FreeBSD-CVS/src/sys/boot/i386/kgzldr/Makefile,v
retrieving revision 1.3
retrieving revision 1.2.2.2
diff -u -r1.3 -r1.2.2.2
--- Makefile	1999/08/28 00:40:10	1.3
+++ Makefile	1999/08/29 16:20:54	1.2.2.2
@@ -1,8 +1,8 @@
-# $FreeBSD: src/sys/boot/i386/kgzldr/Makefile,v 1.3 1999/08/28 00:40:10 peter Exp $
+# $FreeBSD: src/sys/boot/i386/kgzldr/Makefile,v 1.2.2.2 1999/08/29 16:20:54 peter Exp $
 
 PROG=	kgzldr.o
 SRCS=	start.s boot.c inflate.c lib.c crt.s sio.s
-CFLAGS=	-fno-builtin -Os
+CFLAGS=	-fno-builtin -O2
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Hello!

I'm trying to make port of latest cyrus-imap server. It supports PAM
now. 
But imapd run as cyrus user. Is it possible to authenticate user using
pam_unix.so by non-root user?
From /usr/src/contrib/libpam/CHANGELOG
* pam_pwdb can now verify read protected passwords when it is not run
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Where is this helper?
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On Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 01:21:41PM +0300, Alex Bulygin wrote:
> 
> Hi folks!
> 
> Excuse me for direct e-mail not through free-bsd-mail-list-forum
> but the next is very interesting for me
> 
> On Sun, 4 Jul 1999, Juergen Lock wrote:
> 
> > In article <199906131005.MAA72055@yedi.iaf.nl> you write:
> > >As Andreas Braukmann wrote ...
> > 
> > >Maybe the Yamaha, being a CDRW drive does not report itself as a CD after
> > >boot/SCSI bus reset? Just guessing here..
> > 
> > 
> >  My Yamaha 4416S reports itself as a CD, did so with firmware 1.0f and now
> > does with 1.0g.  
> 
> Ive got the same model YAMAHA 4416S 1.0f and still cant find any
> information
> how to collect files for creating img file or just prepare file table
> for further burning cd. Man has only descreption about preparing cd-r
> and etc. Ive been reading cd-burning thread in free-bsd-questions but no
> results.

I don't receive -questions (too much to read already) but what you do is use
mkisofs to create the image and cdrecord to write it to disk (which can be
done as a pipe if the source can keep up).  Maybe you were only looking at
the man page for cdrecord, missing the SEE ALSO pointer to mkisofs(1)?

>  Rock Ridge format need to be created under FreeBSD of course

 Rock Ridge is mkisofs' -R option (and -r, usually).

 And if you want to select the files and options with the mouse try the
sysutils/gcombust port.  (which does a bit more than that, actually, but
see for yourself.)  Start with a dummy run (or an erasable CD) until
your sure all is well...

 HTH,
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In message <v0420552cb3f9a8f52804@[195.238.1.121]>, Brad Knowles writes:
> At 7:05 PM +0200 1999/9/6, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:
> 
> > Read /usr/src/COPYRIGHT.
> >
> > THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE REGENTS AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' AND
> > ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE
> > IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE
> > ARE DISCLAIMED.
> 
> 	And as any lawyer can tell you, this doesn't mean anything.  The 
> sharks are slobbering all over themselves to nail Microsoft over the 
> recent problems with hotmail, and FreeBSD Inc. could very easily be 
> setting themselves up for a similar lawsuit.  Especially since this 
> was a change that was not very widely announced (I sure didn't see 
> anything even in /usr/src/UPDATING, much less on any other web pages 
> or anything else I've read so far), and this is a negative change 
> from previous behaviour.

In such an event your customers would have the legal right to sue you.  
They might try to sue a volunteer organization, e.g. FreeBSD, however 
that might be a stiffer battle.  You might opt to sue FreeBSD, however 
that too might be an uphill battle.  You as the service provider are 
the one responsible for choosing a product and choosing the personnel 
to install and maintain that product leaving you almost fully culpable. 
 Furthermore since FreeBSD Inc. is comprised of a group of volunteers 
and has few if any assets, who would you sue and how much would you get?

In short, in this case the service provider would be mostly responsible.

For applications and services that, if compromised or interrupted, 
could lead to litigation, one would be well advised to hire persons 
with the expertise and have the paperwork to back up any decisions made 
to avoid such law suits.


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After a successful "make buildworld", "cd release; make release" has 
started failing like this:

===>  Cleaning for bzip2-0.9.5c
===>  Cleaning for tidy-0.7.99.2
===>  Cleaning for docproj-1.1
===> FAQ
sgmlfmt -f html -links /usr/doc/FAQ/FAQ.sgml
sgmlfmt -f html-split -links /usr/doc/FAQ/FAQ.sgml
"html-split" is an unknown output format.
Usage:
sgmlfmt [-d <doctype>] -f <format> [-i <namea> ...] [-links]
    [-e encoding] [-hdr file] [-ftr file] file
where <doctype> is one of: linuxdoc (default), docbook.
and <format> is one of: ascii, html, koi8-r, latin1, ps, roff
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.

An interesting observation is that sgmlformat is not installed on my 
system. Yet somehow/somewhen the manpage was installed. Also it appears 
"release" is building a copy of sgmlfmt for its own uses:

nospam: [1050] find /usr/local/ -name "sgmlfmt*"
/usr/local/man/cat1/sgmlfmt.1.gz
nospam: [1051] find /home/release -name "sgmlfmt*"
/home/release/usr/local/bin/sgmlfmt
/home/release/usr/local/man/man1/sgmlfmt.1.gz
nospam: [1052] 

... Hence my question to the list.

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Ruslan Ermilov <ru@ucb.crimea.ua> writes:
>On Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 07:58:13PM +0800, Michael Robinson wrote:
>> The CFLAGS in src/sys/boot/i386/kgzldr/Makefile contains "-Os".  This seems
>> to be an egcsism (at least gcc-2.3.2.3 doesn't like it, and aborts the make).
>
>You have the -current sources, check your cvsup(1) configuration!

Indeed.  Well I've learned something new, which is this:

 When you use the "-d" options to "cvs update", you need to explicity
 specify the "-r" tag, because new directories don't inherit sticky tags from
 their parent directory.

I apologize for the distraction.

	-Michael Robinson



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On 09-Sep-99 David Kelly wrote:
> After a successful "make buildworld", "cd release; make release" has 
> started failing like this:
> 
> ===>  Cleaning for bzip2-0.9.5c
> ===>  Cleaning for tidy-0.7.99.2
> ===>  Cleaning for docproj-1.1
> ===> FAQ
> sgmlfmt -f html -links /usr/doc/FAQ/FAQ.sgml
> sgmlfmt -f html-split -links /usr/doc/FAQ/FAQ.sgml
> "html-split" is an unknown output format.
> Usage:
> sgmlfmt [-d <doctype>] -f <format> [-i <namea> ...] [-links]
>     [-e encoding] [-hdr file] [-ftr file] file
> where <doctype> is one of: linuxdoc (default), docbook.
> and <format> is one of: ascii, html, koi8-r, latin1, ps, roff
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop.

It looks like you have an old copy of the documentation repository in
/usr/doc.  Be sure you are supping the documentation (contained in
either doc-all or in cvs-all). 

> An interesting observation is that sgmlformat is not installed on my 
> system. Yet somehow/somewhen the manpage was installed. Also it
> appears 
> "release" is building a copy of sgmlfmt for its own uses:
> 
> nospam: [1050] find /usr/local/ -name "sgmlfmt*"
> /usr/local/man/cat1/sgmlfmt.1.gz
> nospam: [1051] find /home/release -name "sgmlfmt*"
> /home/release/usr/local/bin/sgmlfmt
> /home/release/usr/local/man/man1/sgmlfmt.1.gz
> nospam: [1052] 
> 
> ... Hence my question to the list.

It is part of the textproc/docproj port, which is installed during the
make release process in order to build the docs.

> --
> David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net

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On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 10:15:05AM +0800, Michael Robinson wrote:
> Ruslan Ermilov <ru@ucb.crimea.ua> writes:
> >On Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 07:58:13PM +0800, Michael Robinson wrote:
> >> The CFLAGS in src/sys/boot/i386/kgzldr/Makefile contains "-Os".  This seems
> >> to be an egcsism (at least gcc-2.3.2.3 doesn't like it, and aborts the make).
> >
> >You have the -current sources, check your cvsup(1) configuration!
> 
> Indeed.  Well I've learned something new, which is this:
> 
>  When you use the "-d" options to "cvs update", you need to explicity
>  specify the "-r" tag, because new directories don't inherit sticky tags from
>  their parent directory.
> 
This is not true:

Script started on Thu Sep  9 09:57:29 1999
relay# pwd
/usr/src/sys/boot/i386
relay# ls -l kgzldr
ls: kgzldr: No such file or directory
relay# grep kgzldr CVS/Entries
relay# cat CVS/Tag
TRELENG_3
relay# cvs -q update -P -d
U kgzldr/Makefile
U kgzldr/boot.c
U kgzldr/crt.s
U kgzldr/kgzldr.h
U kgzldr/lib.c
U kgzldr/sio.s
U kgzldr/start.s
relay# grep kgzldr CVS/Entries
D/kgzldr////
relay# cat kgzldr/CVS/Tag
TRELENG_3
relay# exit

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From owner-freebsd-stable  Thu Sep  9  0:41:18 1999
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On Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 02:20:08PM -0700, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote:
> 
> In such an event your customers would have the legal right to sue you.  
> They might try to sue a volunteer organization, e.g. FreeBSD, however 
> that might be a stiffer battle.  You might opt to sue FreeBSD, however 
> that too might be an uphill battle.  You as the service provider are 
> the one responsible for choosing a product and choosing the personnel 
> to install and maintain that product leaving you almost fully culpable. 
>  Furthermore since FreeBSD Inc. is comprised of a group of volunteers 
> and has few if any assets, who would you sue and how much would you get?
> 
> In short, in this case the service provider would be mostly responsible.
> 

Yep!  Because of this potential problem Pavilion Internet have decided to
replace our 20 or so FreeBSD servers with 200 or so NT boxes, because even
though they're less reliable if they go wrong we can sue Microsoft :)

Joe

p.s. only joking - honest.
p.p.s. can I stop shaking now - makes me sick just thinking about it.
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[.....]
> > In short, in this case the service provider would be mostly responsible.
> > 
> 
> Yep!  Because of this potential problem Pavilion Internet have decided to
> replace our 20 or so FreeBSD servers with 200 or so NT boxes, because even
> though they're less reliable if they go wrong we can sue Microsoft :)
> 
> Joe
> 
> p.s. only joking - honest.

You had my eyebrows raised !

> p.p.s. can I stop shaking now - makes me sick just thinking about it.

As soon as I stop.

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On Thu, 09 Sep 1999, Brian Somers was heard blurting out:

> [.....]
> > > In short, in this case the service provider would be mostly responsible.
> > > 
> > 
> > Yep!  Because of this potential problem Pavilion Internet have decided to
> > replace our 20 or so FreeBSD servers with 200 or so NT boxes, because even
> > though they're less reliable if they go wrong we can sue Microsoft :)
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > p.s. only joking - honest.
> 
> You had my eyebrows raised !
> 
> > p.p.s. can I stop shaking now - makes me sick just thinking about it.
> 
> As soon as I stop.
> 

I am still cleaning the hot coffee off my lap and keyboard.

> > -- 
> > Josef Karthauser	FreeBSD: How many times have you booted today?
> 
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In message <19990908104557.B22077@relay.ucb.crimea.ua>, Ruslan Ermilov 
writes:
> On Tue, Sep 07, 1999 at 05:55:13PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote:
> > > FreeBSD myname.my.domain 3.3-RC FreeBSD 3.3-RC #15: Tue Sep  7 17:46:52
> > > EST 1999     root@myname.my.domain:/usr/src/sys/compile/ETOSHA  i386
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I was running 3.2Stable, so i decided to cvsup RELENG_3.
> > > Everything were ok! But now my uname is not 3.2Stable, but 3.3-RC!
> > > 
> > > What is 3.3-RC ?
> > 
> > It stands for 3.3-Read-Commitlogs.
> > 
> Hmm, I thought it stands for 3.3-Reset-Compatibility.

... and I thought it meant really cool.


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On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 04:50:04AM -0700, Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Sep 1999, Brian Somers was heard blurting out:
> 
> > > p.p.s. can I stop shaking now - makes me sick just thinking about it.
> > As soon as I stop.
> I am still cleaning the hot coffee off my lap and keyboard.

Aren't I naughty ? :b

Joe
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+----[ Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group ]---------------------------------------------
| In message <19990908104557.B22077@relay.ucb.crimea.ua>, Ruslan Ermilov 
| writes:
| > On Tue, Sep 07, 1999 at 05:55:13PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote:
| > > > FreeBSD myname.my.domain 3.3-RC FreeBSD 3.3-RC #15: Tue Sep  7 17:46:52
| > > > EST 1999     root@myname.my.domain:/usr/src/sys/compile/ETOSHA  i386
| > > > 
| > > > 
| > > > I was running 3.2Stable, so i decided to cvsup RELENG_3.
| > > > Everything were ok! But now my uname is not 3.2Stable, but 3.3-RC!
| > > > 
| > > > What is 3.3-RC ?
| > > 
| > > It stands for 3.3-Read-Commitlogs.
| > > 
| > Hmm, I thought it stands for 3.3-Reset-Compatibility.
| 
| ... and I thought it meant really cool.

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Hi all,

One of my customer ask me, if we could install a FreeBSD-stable on
an IBM Netfinity 5500(or 5005 ?) with 2 processors and if the ethernet and
RAID-5 card is supported ?

Is anyone working with a similar configuration ? 

	S.

PS: sorry to have no more information on the config but the client said:
"If you know what kind of hardware you want, I can adapt. But the server
must be a IBM 5500(or 5005 ?) with 2 processor and 1 ethernet card. RAID-5
is not a priority but it's better".  
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On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, Michael Robinson wrote:

> >From the Vinum intro:
> 
> "In order to perform its functionality, Vinum allocates a large
>  number of dynamic data structures. Currently these structures are
>  allocated by calling kernel malloc. This is a potential problem,
>  since malloc interacts with the virtual memory system and may
>  trigger a page fault. The potential for a deadlock exists if the
>  page fault requires a transfer to a Vinum volume. It is probable
>  that Vinum will modify its allocation strategy by reserving a small
>  number of buffers when it starts and using these if a malloc request
>  fails."
> 
> Has this "potential problem" been addressed in the Vinum in Stable?
> 
> If not, is there any other way to prevent a system panic if a drive 
> containing a swap partition fails?
> 

The problem is avoided by *not* swapping to vinum drives. I'm not sure why
anybody would like to do that anyways 8-)

> 	-Michael Robinson
> 



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On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 02:40:39PM +0100, Josef Karthauser wrote:
> > > > p.p.s. can I stop shaking now - makes me sick just thinking about it.
> > > As soon as I stop.
> > I am still cleaning the hot coffee off my lap and keyboard.

I suggest you sue Joe for the personal injury he has caused you...

Sam (waiting to be flamed for not doing this on -chat) ;->
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Folks,

	Okay, I finally admit it.  I just discovered that I've been 
running FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE all this time, and not 3.2-STABLE.

	This despite the fact that I've been installing from 
<ftp://ftp.de.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/3.2-STABLE/> 
(which is actually just a symlink to 3.2-RELEASE in that same 
directory).

	The output from `uname -a` has always been there for anyone to 
see.  I just wasn't paying attention.  Sigh....


	I now return you to your regularly scheduled snorting of hot 
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> Hi all,
> 
> One of my customer ask me, if we could install a FreeBSD-stable on
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> RAID-5 card is supported ?

The onboard ServerRaid controller is not supported; the rest of the 
system works OK.  You'll need a supported SCSI controller.

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pam_unix.so will require root access to authenticate against
/etc/master.passwd.  The solution is presumably for PAM to run in the
pwcheck daemon provided with Cyrus--I've never used the PAM support so
don't know much about it.  I use Kerberos 4 directly from Cyrus.  The
pwcheck daemon listens on a UNIX domain socket, running as root, and will
answer authentication queries coming from the Cyrus server running as the
cyrus user.  

On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, Vadim Chekan wrote:

> Hello!
> 
> I'm trying to make port of latest cyrus-imap server. It supports PAM
> now. 
> But imapd run as cyrus user. Is it possible to authenticate user using
> pam_unix.so by non-root user?
> From /usr/src/contrib/libpam/CHANGELOG
> * pam_pwdb can now verify read protected passwords when it is not run
>   by root.  This is via a helper binary that is setuid root.
> 
> Where is this helper?
> Where can I get more information on this topic?
> 
> Vadim Chekan.
> 
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Hi,

I have recently upgraded a system to the latest stable, and have already 
received three of these panics:

uname -a reads
FreeBSD addr3.addr.com 3.3-RC FreeBSD 3.3-RC #0: Tue Sep  7 21:57:07 GMT 1999
   root@addr3.addr.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/ADDRKERN  i386

the panic reads:
Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
mp_lock = 01000002; cpuid = 1; lapic.id = 01000000
fault virtual address   = 0xc4e7f08c
fault code              = supervisor write, page not present
instruction pointer     = 0x8:0xc025f47a
stack pointer           = 0x10:0xd2ed2f0c
frame pointer           = 0x10:0xd2ed2f1c
code segment            = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b
                         = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1
processor eflags        = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0
current process         = 12498 (httpd)
interrupt mask          = net tty bio cam  <- SMP: XXX
trap number             = 12
panic: page fault
mp_lock = 01000002; cpuid = 1; lapic.id = 01000000
boot() called on cpu#1

nm /kernel for that area shows:

c025f314 T pmap_page_exists
c025f30c T pmap_pageable
c025f3a4 T pmap_remove_pages
c025f4e0 t pmap_testbit

I have also received one panic at c025e2cc:
nm /kernel | grep c025e2
c025e290 t pmap_insert_entry

And also one complete freeze up. This is all in only 3 days, but I have 
found no way to replicate the error. It doesn't seem entirely random since 
it always occurs in "pmap" related functions. These panics have been 
following me since 3.0-STABLE and into 3.2-RELEASE and now in 3.3-RC. They 
seem like the result of some sort of attack because they increase in 
frequency if we have a spam issue with a user or similar on that machine.
The server is a dual PentiumIII-450 with 512 MB of ram and DPT raid 
controller. Max users is set at 256 (I don't know about this version, but 
on previous versions setting it higher caused constant panics). It usually 
runs at load average of about 2, serving apache/sendmail/telnet/ftpd/ipop3d 
as well as a little bit of NFS data for local updates and a completely idle 
NFS client.
Same panics occurred on server with dual P||-400 with 1GB of ram and DPT 
controller, so it is not an issue caused by faulty hardware.
Oh, I am not using "device apm" since this seems to be a cause for a lot of 
discussion lately.
If you need any more info I would be glad to provide it. Any help regarding 
this problem would be greatly appreciated.

Best Regards,
Anthony Bourov 


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I recently cvsup'ed from 3.2-stable to 3.3-RC. During the process I
ended up with an incomplete set of /dev's. I had ttyv0-3 and when I
rebooted, I ended up with a screen filled with 

Sep  6 15:04:14 ruby getty[256]: open /dev/ttyv4: No such file or
directory
Sep  6 15:04:14 ruby getty[257]: open /dev/ttyv5: No such file or
directory
Sep  6 15:04:14 ruby getty[258]: open /dev/ttyv6: No such file or
directory
Sep  6 15:04:14 ruby getty[259]: open /dev/ttyv7: No such file or
directory

I had combined the old and new with Mergemaster-1.25. A simple fix was
a MAKDEV all.
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if you look at the CVSUP tutorial, it tells you that one of the things you
have to do is re-make your devices.

cheers,
jeff

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On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Kent Stewart wrote:

> I recently cvsup'ed from 3.2-stable to 3.3-RC. During the process I
> ended up with an incomplete set of /dev's. I had ttyv0-3 and when I
> rebooted, I ended up with a screen filled with 
> 
> Sep  6 15:04:14 ruby getty[256]: open /dev/ttyv4: No such file or
> directory
> Sep  6 15:04:14 ruby getty[257]: open /dev/ttyv5: No such file or
> directory
> Sep  6 15:04:14 ruby getty[258]: open /dev/ttyv6: No such file or
> directory
> Sep  6 15:04:14 ruby getty[259]: open /dev/ttyv7: No such file or
> directory
> 
> I had combined the old and new with Mergemaster-1.25. A simple fix was
> a MAKDEV all.
> -- 
> Kent Stewart
> Richland, WA
> 
> mailto:kstewart@3-cities.com
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"Jeffrey J. Libman" wrote:
> 
> if you look at the CVSUP tutorial, it tells you that one of the things you
> have to do is re-make your devices.

The problem was that I thought that Mergemaster did that for me. 

Kent

> 
> cheers,
> jeff
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> 
> On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Kent Stewart wrote:
> 
> > I recently cvsup'ed from 3.2-stable to 3.3-RC. During the process I
> > ended up with an incomplete set of /dev's. I had ttyv0-3 and when I
> > rebooted, I ended up with a screen filled with
> >
> > Sep  6 15:04:14 ruby getty[256]: open /dev/ttyv4: No such file or
> > directory
> > Sep  6 15:04:14 ruby getty[257]: open /dev/ttyv5: No such file or
> > directory
> > Sep  6 15:04:14 ruby getty[258]: open /dev/ttyv6: No such file or
> > directory
> > Sep  6 15:04:14 ruby getty[259]: open /dev/ttyv7: No such file or
> > directory
> >
> > I had combined the old and new with Mergemaster-1.25. A simple fix was
> > a MAKDEV all.
> > --
> > Kent Stewart
> > Richland, WA
> >
> > mailto:kstewart@3-cities.com
> > http://www.3-cities.com/~kstewart/index.html
> >
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A lot of time  ago my collegue wrote the c-prog intended to be ran
as cgi script. He did mistake in prog:
to check that file existed he opened it with fopen (why not access I
didnt
understand :) and after some action closed it with fclose. Upon
some condition as I said the file might not existed. So prog did
fclose(NULL) in fact. Now interesting thing. On the 2.2.7-R systems
having been compiled with 2.7.2.1 it never been crashed. But on
3.2-S recently cvsupped &amp; makeworlded latly having been compiled
with cc  2.7.2.3  it crashes with 10 SIG (as expected I beleave).
Somebody have a words of wisdom?

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I visited my closest CompUSA last night, and asked someone there to
look up the Power Pack on their inventory computer.  He said it was
a standard item, catagory A01.  Which means (the A part) each
store is supposed to stock it and (the 01 part) the minimum quantity
is one.  Price $49.95.

I asked if they had one.  Nope, sold out.  Did any of the stores
here in Phoenix have one.  More nope.  How about nation wide?  About
20 stores showed inventory.  The item went into the computer in
June.  He said every store should have had at least one at that
time.  I can only guess (and hope) that they all sold out like hotcakes,
and someone in purchasing will notice and up the mininum stock count.

In the meantime I asked them to order me one (which meant, order
two).  I've already got the toolkit, and I subscribe to the release,
so this was to update my copy of the book, and to throw some money
at the project, and to encourage CompUSA in carrying FreeBSD
products.  I think getting FreeBSD into distribution is the next big
step in advicocy.

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"Chad R. Larson" wrote:
> 
> I visited my closest CompUSA last night, and asked someone there to
> look up the Power Pack on their inventory computer.  He said it was
> a standard item, catagory A01.  Which means (the A part) each
> store is supposed to stock it and (the 01 part) the minimum quantity
> is one.  Price $49.95.
> 
> I asked if they had one.  Nope, sold out.  Did any of the stores
> here in Phoenix have one.  More nope.  How about nation wide?  About
> 20 stores showed inventory.  The item went into the computer in
> June.  He said every store should have had at least one at that
> time.  I can only guess (and hope) that they all sold out like hotcakes,
> and someone in purchasing will notice and up the mininum stock count.
> 
> In the meantime I asked them to order me one (which meant, order
> two).  I've already got the toolkit, and I subscribe to the release,
> so this was to update my copy of the book, and to throw some money
> at the project, and to encourage CompUSA in carrying FreeBSD
> products.  I think getting FreeBSD into distribution is the next big
> step in advicocy.

Do you have a URL for CompUSA? I tried doing a search and ended up
with what seemed like 200,000 people with gripe's.

I agree on the advocacy point. I can go into my local Costco Wholesale
place and purchase Win 98 and Red Hat Linux. They have shipping
pallets of them. A series of books that you can purchase in any book
store is also mandatory.

Kent
 
> 
>         -crl
> --
> Chad R. Larson (CRL15)   602-953-1392   Brother, can you paradigm?
> chad@dcfinc.com         chad@larsons.org          larson1@home.net
> DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207
> 
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On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 11:01:00AM -0700, Kent Stewart wrote:
> 
> > if you look at the CVSUP tutorial, it tells you that one of the things you
> > have to do is re-make your devices.
> 
> The problem was that I thought that Mergemaster did that for me. 
> 

It doesn't yet!  I raised that problem as a -PR a couple of weeks ago,
and the author said that he will add a message to this effect in a
future version.

Joe
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When I run StarOffice 5.1 (from sun.com) on  FreeBSD 3.3-19990905-RC I get
a large number of the following messages on the console:

Sep  9 15:19:01 w-bbeattie /kernel: cmd soffice.bin pid 10767 tried to use  non-present sched_yield

anybody know if I can get rid of these?

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Josef Karthauser wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 11:01:00AM -0700, Kent Stewart wrote:
> >
> > > if you look at the CVSUP tutorial, it tells you that one of the things you
> > > have to do is re-make your devices.
> >
> > The problem was that I thought that Mergemaster did that for me.
> >
> 
> It doesn't yet!  I raised that problem as a -PR a couple of weeks ago,
> and the author said that he will add a message to this effect in a
> future version.

	Yes, in fact that bit is done. I need to put on a few finishing touches
then I will be rolling out the new port. 

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Andy V. Oleynik wrote:

> A lot of time  ago my collegue wrote the c-prog intended to be ran
> as cgi script. He did mistake in prog:
> to check that file existed he opened it with fopen (why not access I
> didnt
> understand :) and after some action closed it with fclose. Upon
> some condition as I said the file might not existed. So prog did
> fclose(NULL) in fact. Now interesting thing. On the 2.2.7-R systems
> having been compiled with 2.7.2.1 it never been crashed. But on
> 3.2-S recently cvsupped &amp; makeworlded latly having been compiled
> with cc  2.7.2.3  it crashes with 10 SIG (as expected I beleave).
> Somebody have a words of wisdom?

*sigh* Did you think about reading the manual?

NOTES
     fclose() does not handle NULL arguments; they will result in a segmenta-
     tion violation.  This is intentional - it makes it easier to make sure
     programs written under FreeBSD are bug free.  This behaviour is an imple-
     mentation detail, and programs should not rely upon it.

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John Baldwin writes:
> 
> It looks like you have an old copy of the documentation repository in
> /usr/doc.  Be sure you are supping the documentation (contained in
> either doc-all or in cvs-all). 

Believe that was it. Have been doing src-all, ports-all, src-crypto,
src-eBones and src-secure, but nothing doc. My ncvs/doc/ directory dated 
way back. Way way back. Way way way back to whenever it was in ancient 
time when I installed this system from a -RELEASE.

I don't see cvs-all mentioned at all (oh! an awful pun) in 
/usr/src/share/examples/cvsup. What all (not again!) does it include?

I've added doc-all to my cvsupcvs file. I have a *lot* of catching up 
to do.

> > ... Hence my question to the list.
> 
> It is part of the textproc/docproj port, which is installed during the
> make release process in order to build the docs.

It appears nowadays release builds its required ports under the
chroot'ed CHROOTDIR tree? So these ports are built and "installed"
there for the "make release". Presumably /usr/doc is chroot'ed there
too? Or does my /usr/doc need a recent "cvs update"?

Am guessing "make release" will checkout the appropriate "docs", just as
it checks out "ports"?


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Greetings,

  I have installed FBSD 3.1-Release on IBM Netfinity, 
  and since then upgrade to FBSD 3.2-Release in May,
  and if everything goes smoothly, go to FBSD 3.3-R
  in November. ( Customer's Server, don't want to be
  too progressive ;) )

  Anyway, for me, the on-board SCSI didn't work.
  I actually used a Adaptec 2940.  The onboard 
  Ethernet card works, using the lnc driver.  I 
  heard its flaky, but work okay so far.  Never had
  problem, well none that I know of.

  BTW, mine is single CPU.

  Oh, I have a problem with rebooting.  It doesn't work.
  It will shutdown, but doesn't reboot.  Someone has 
  to manually off-wait-on the machine.  Though luck for
  me since I am administering it off-site.  Reboot is
  not an option for me. :(

/calvin

lines with :> are quotes from Sebastien Gioria's email
:> Hi all,
:> 
:> One of my customer ask me, if we could install a FreeBSD-stable on
:> an IBM Netfinity 5500(or 5005 ?) with 2 processors and if the ethernet and
:> RAID-5 card is supported ?
:> 
:> Is anyone working with a similar configuration ? 
:> 
:> 	S.
:> 
:> PS: sorry to have no more information on the config but the client said:
:> "If you know what kind of hardware you want, I can adapt. But the server
:> must be a IBM 5500(or 5005 ?) with 2 processor and 1 ethernet card. RAID-5
:> is not a priority but it's better".  
:> -- 


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On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Calvin wrote:

>   Oh, I have a problem with rebooting.  It doesn't work.
>   It will shutdown, but doesn't reboot.  Someone has 
>   to manually off-wait-on the machine.  Though luck for
>   me since I am administering it off-site.  Reboot is
>   not an option for me. :(

I had similar problem with my Netfinity 3000. I went into setup and found
few options that may affect the remote reboot. I think they were 1) Boot
on Power On and 2) Reboot without keyboard. There may be few more options
that need to be changed from the default settings. Since my server is also
off-site, I cannot go look at the setup. It seem to reboot fine right now.
So far it has came on its own after two power failures (I need to replace
UPS battery!!!) and two remote reboot.  I don't know if Netfinity 5000 has
similar boot time setup or not.

Shin




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On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 08:40:15AM +0100, Josef Karthauser wrote:
<about Pavilion ditching FreeBSD in favour of NT>

My jaw hit the floor.  I was really relieved when I got to:
> p.s. only joking - honest.
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On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 11:01:00AM -0700, Kent Stewart wrote:
> The problem was that I thought that Mergemaster did that for me. 

Mergemaster does run MAKEDEV - but in temproot/dev.  I think as a
side-product of building temproot/dev so that it can compare the new
MAKEDEV with the old.

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>   Oh, I have a problem with rebooting.  It doesn't work.
>   It will shutdown, but doesn't reboot.  Someone has 
>   to manually off-wait-on the machine.  Though luck for
>   me since I am administering it off-site.  Reboot is
>   not an option for me. :(

I found a cheap and easy solution for this kind of problem -- covers
crashes as well -- 

Grab a PIC chip and burn a quick program into it to look for some sort of
reset signal -- I use a character pumped out of a serial port -- a little
daemon program sends out this character every 20-25 seconds.  If the PIC
doesn't see the character with some time period (I use 5 minutes), it
shorts the reset line on the motherboard.

Problems with doing it this way: 

1)  In single-user mode (or any mode where the daemon isn't running),
it'll happily reset the computer for you after the timeout expires...
Since I'm always AT the computer when it's in this sort of mode, I put a
little switch wired into the PIC -- if it's on, don't send the reset
signal...

2)  Large drives being fsck'd will sometimes take longer than the timeout
-- same problem as above, but can get ugly -- fsck, timeout, reboot --
fsck, timeout, reboot -- etc.....  Adjusting the timeout fixes it, but I'm
planning a more elegant solution.....

--mike




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>2)  Large drives being fsck'd will sometimes take longer than the timeout
>-- same problem as above, but can get ugly -- fsck, timeout, reboot --
>fsck, timeout, reboot -- etc.....  Adjusting the timeout fixes it, but I'm
>planning a more elegant solution.....
>

..like having the daemon issue some sort of "start" command when it starts,
and tell the PIC not to start the countdown until it recieves this command.
 Just thinking aloud..



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> ..like having the daemon issue some sort of "start" command when it starts,
> and tell the PIC not to start the countdown until it recieves this command.
>  Just thinking aloud..

Yea, basically.....  Haven't had ->ANY<- time to work on it, but Version
0.000002 is in the design stage... :)

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On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 03:23:51PM -0700, Brian Beattie wrote:
> Sep  9 15:19:01 w-bbeattie /kernel: cmd soffice.bin pid 10767 tried to use  non-present sched_yield

Add

options         P1003_1B
options         _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING
options         _KPOSIX_VERSION=199309L

to your kernel config, and build/install/reboot.

-- 
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At 10:33 AM 9/9/99 -0700, Kent Stewart wrote:
>I recently cvsup'ed from 3.2-stable to 3.3-RC. During the process I
>ended up with an incomplete set of /dev's. I had ttyv0-3 and when I
>rebooted, I ended up with a screen filled with 
>
>Sep  6 15:04:14 ruby getty[256]: open /dev/ttyv4: No such file or
>directory
>Sep  6 15:04:14 ruby getty[257]: open /dev/ttyv5: No such file or
>directory
>Sep  6 15:04:14 ruby getty[258]: open /dev/ttyv6: No such file or
>directory
>Sep  6 15:04:14 ruby getty[259]: open /dev/ttyv7: No such file or
>directory
>
>I had combined the old and new with Mergemaster-1.25. A simple fix was
>a MAKDEV all.

Minor annoyance. 8-)

Forgot about /dev once and noticed this...


Here's the commits:

jkh         1999/07/05 01:39:01 PDT

  Modified files:
    etc/etc.i386         MAKEDEV 
  Log:
  Bump the number of vtys created to compensate for new demands created
  by /etc/ttys.
  
  Forgotten by:   des
  
  Revision  Changes    Path
  1.200     +2 -2      src/etc/etc.i386/MAKEDEV

And it's predecessor:

des         1999/07/04 08:06:23 PDT

  Modified files:
    etc/etc.i386         ttys 
  Log:
  Feed the vty monster.
  
  Revision  Changes    Path
  1.4       +7 -2      src/etc/etc.i386/ttys


Why was this change made?

Just cause the monster was hungry?

Well then he's got a surplus as well, since he wants ate^H^H^H eight and
has 12, er 11 (need one don't we).  Three for the road then.  8-)

At least MAKEDEV doesn't create all 256 psuedo terminals listed in /etc/ttys.

No complaints, just a wondering.


Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net
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FreeBSD - the power to serve
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Fri Sep 10  1:37:23 1999
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Well, 3-stable seems stable enough that I decided not to wait for 3.5, and
upgraded a couple systems from 2.8-stable.

Everything went fine with make upgrade, moving the libraries, etc.

After I rebooted, however, all my passwords were invalid.  I had to go to
the console, boot in single-user mode to get in as root, and reset all the
passwords.

Any thoughts on what I missed?  These boxes were both originally installed
with DES... does a system after make upgrade use a different crypt?

Thanks,
Michael

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----- Original Message -----
From: <mwlucas@exceptionet.com>

> Well, 3-stable seems stable enough that I decided not to wait for 3.5, and
> upgraded a couple systems from 2.8-stable.
>
> After I rebooted, however, all my passwords were invalid. ....

I had the same problem some time ago, and found that I had set the parameter
"nisdomainname" to some value even-when I was not using NIS. This had no
effect for <=FBSD-2.8 Versions, but made passords invalid for the upgraded
version.

This may not be your problem as you have said that "reset all the passwords"
and if understand you correctly; they now work???

Greg



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"Jeffrey J. Mountin" <jeff-ml@mountin.net> writes:
> Why was this change made?

Because the no. 1 most frequently asked question on -questions /
-newbies used to be "how do I get more than 3 virtual consoles?"

I even saw somebody on IRC who was convinced that FreeBSD was
shareware and that you had to register to get more vtys. Furrfu.

DES
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Kent Stewart <kstewart@3-cities.com> writes:
> Do you have a URL for CompUSA?

http://www.compusa.com/

DES
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From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no>
Date: 10 Sep 1999 11:25:54 +0200
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mwlucas@exceptionet.com writes:
> After I rebooted, however, all my passwords were invalid.  I had to go to
> the console, boot in single-user mode to get in as root, and reset all the
> passwords.

This is a FAQ. You forgot to install the DES libraries.

DES (the committer, not the library)
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Fri Sep 10  3:33:28 1999
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http://www.sco.com/profservices/linux/

I see that SCO is coming to the rescue of OpenSource Unix environments, with
risk assessment, stability, and most of all expertise.

I quote:

"we believe that SCO has the largest staff of Open Source experts of any
commercial software vendor."

"As a founding sponsor of Linux International, SCO is a strong proponent of
the Open Source movement, citing it as a driving force for innovation. Over
the years, SCO has contributed source code to the movement."

~~~~~

It's just lucky for us that SCO is there to drive forward Open Source!!
(huge sarcasm)!!

Does anyone know if they done anything for FreeBSD Sability? :)


Greg



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On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 09:51:57AM -0700, Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au> wrote:

> > One of my customer ask me, if we could install a FreeBSD-stable on
> > an IBM Netfinity 5500(or 5005 ?) with 2 processors and if the ethernet and
> > RAID-5 card is supported ?
> 
> The onboard ServerRaid controller is not supported; the rest of the 
> system works OK.  You'll need a supported SCSI controller.

Does FreeBSD support the Reliance chipset used in NF5000? You seem to be
the most knowledgeable about IBM PC servers. For what it's worth I think
the NF5000 is better suited, it has two-channel AIC-7895 onboard which
seems supported. No need for additional SCSI card. Well expandable in
the RAID case, it has 5 hot-swap bays, just plug the ServeRaid card.
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Hi,

If you have problems on 3.3-RC SMP system with APM enabled, 
please test the attached patch and give feedback to me ASAP.

The problem I was reported is that a lot of userland programs get
signal 11 and core dumped on startup.  It seems my bad MCF (8/24) 
breaks extra GDT entries for SMP.

The following patch was already tested among folks in Japan, I 
want fix this before 3.3-RELEASE.

<To Release Coordinator>
  My I commit this for RELENG_3 if somebody reports `fixed!' ?
</To Release Coordinator>

Index: i386/apm/apm.c
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/apm/apm.c,v
retrieving revision 1.77.2.6
diff -u -r1.77.2.6 apm.c
--- apm.c	1999/08/29 16:04:32	1.77.2.6
+++ apm.c	1999/09/10 11:57:40
@@ -20,7 +20,6 @@
 
 #include "opt_devfs.h"
 #include "opt_vm86.h"
-#include "opt_smp.h"
 
 #include <sys/param.h>
 #include <sys/systm.h>
@@ -53,10 +52,6 @@
 #include <machine/vm86.h>
 #endif
 
-#ifdef SMP
-#include <machine/smp.h>
-#endif
-
 static int apm_display __P((int newstate));
 static int apm_int __P((u_long *eax, u_long *ebx, u_long *ecx, u_long *edx));
 static void apm_resume __P((void));
@@ -127,10 +122,6 @@
 static void
 setup_apm_gdt(u_int code32_base, u_int code16_base, u_int data_base, u_int code32_limit, u_int code16_limit, u_int data_limit)
 {
-#ifdef SMP
-	int x;
-#endif
-
 	/* setup 32bit code segment */
 	gdt_segs[GAPMCODE32_SEL].ssd_base  = code32_base;
 	gdt_segs[GAPMCODE32_SEL].ssd_limit = code32_limit;
@@ -147,14 +138,6 @@
 	ssdtosd(gdt_segs + GAPMCODE32_SEL, &gdt[GAPMCODE32_SEL].sd);
 	ssdtosd(gdt_segs + GAPMCODE16_SEL, &gdt[GAPMCODE16_SEL].sd);
 	ssdtosd(gdt_segs + GAPMDATA_SEL  , &gdt[GAPMDATA_SEL  ].sd);
-
-#ifdef SMP
-	for (x = 1; x < NCPU; x++) {
-		gdt[x * NGDT + GAPMCODE32_SEL].sd = gdt[GAPMCODE32_SEL].sd;
-		gdt[x * NGDT + GAPMCODE16_SEL].sd = gdt[GAPMCODE16_SEL].sd;
-		gdt[x * NGDT + GAPMDATA_SEL  ].sd = gdt[GAPMDATA_SEL  ].sd;
-	}
-#endif
 }
 
 /* 48bit far pointer. Do not staticize - used from apm_setup.s */


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Hmm, this change doesn't belong in -stable. I remember I committed it
to the head of the branch, how does it end up in -stable? It should
definitely be taken out.

-lq

> Hi,
> 
> If you have problems on 3.3-RC SMP system with APM enabled, 
> please test the attached patch and give feedback to me ASAP.
> 
> The problem I was reported is that a lot of userland programs get
> signal 11 and core dumped on startup.  It seems my bad MCF (8/24) 
> breaks extra GDT entries for SMP.
> 
> The following patch was already tested among folks in Japan, I 
> want fix this before 3.3-RELEASE.
> 
> <To Release Coordinator>
>   My I commit this for RELENG_3 if somebody reports `fixed!' ?
> </To Release Coordinator>
> 
> Index: i386/apm/apm.c
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/apm/apm.c,v
> retrieving revision 1.77.2.6
> diff -u -r1.77.2.6 apm.c
> --- apm.c	1999/08/29 16:04:32	1.77.2.6
> +++ apm.c	1999/09/10 11:57:40
> @@ -20,7 +20,6 @@
>  
>  #include "opt_devfs.h"
>  #include "opt_vm86.h"
> -#include "opt_smp.h"
>  
>  #include <sys/param.h>
>  #include <sys/systm.h>
> @@ -53,10 +52,6 @@
>  #include <machine/vm86.h>
>  #endif
>  
> -#ifdef SMP
> -#include <machine/smp.h>
> -#endif
> -
>  static int apm_display __P((int newstate));
>  static int apm_int __P((u_long *eax, u_long *ebx, u_long *ecx, u_long *edx));
>  static void apm_resume __P((void));
> @@ -127,10 +122,6 @@
>  static void
>  setup_apm_gdt(u_int code32_base, u_int code16_base, u_int data_base, u_int code32_limit, u_int code16_limit, u_int data_limit)
>  {
> -#ifdef SMP
> -	int x;
> -#endif
> -
>  	/* setup 32bit code segment */
>  	gdt_segs[GAPMCODE32_SEL].ssd_base  = code32_base;
>  	gdt_segs[GAPMCODE32_SEL].ssd_limit = code32_limit;
> @@ -147,14 +138,6 @@
>  	ssdtosd(gdt_segs + GAPMCODE32_SEL, &gdt[GAPMCODE32_SEL].sd);
>  	ssdtosd(gdt_segs + GAPMCODE16_SEL, &gdt[GAPMCODE16_SEL].sd);
>  	ssdtosd(gdt_segs + GAPMDATA_SEL  , &gdt[GAPMDATA_SEL  ].sd);
> -
> -#ifdef SMP
> -	for (x = 1; x < NCPU; x++) {
> -		gdt[x * NGDT + GAPMCODE32_SEL].sd = gdt[GAPMCODE32_SEL].sd;
> -		gdt[x * NGDT + GAPMCODE16_SEL].sd = gdt[GAPMCODE16_SEL].sd;
> -		gdt[x * NGDT + GAPMDATA_SEL  ].sd = gdt[GAPMDATA_SEL  ].sd;
> -	}
> -#endif
>  }
>  
>  /* 48bit far pointer. Do not staticize - used from apm_setup.s */
> 


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Hello,

What's about ${SUBJ}? Now, on 3.2-STABLE (last cvsupped on Jun 22),
we're experiencing a lot of troubles with concurrent MYSQL
transactions. Our box is Dual PII-333 with 384M RAM and 8GB UW SCSI.

Is there a chance for some improvements in SMP? I'd like to know
exactly about it, because it's impossible to experiment with the
production server...

Best regards,
 Ilya                          mailto:ilya@zhurnal.ru




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Hi, 

> Hmm, this change doesn't belong in -stable. I remember I committed it
> to the head of the branch, how does it end up in -stable? It should
> definitely be taken out.

Yes, it's my fault, I'm sorry for this.
I brought this fix to STABLE in my MFC (1.77 -> 1.77.2.1),
however there was nothing to fix on STABLE SMP actually...
I'm going to back my change as soon as getting reports.

# Maybe I need to have SMP system to test with my hack :)


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Luoqi Chen wrote:
> Hmm, this change doesn't belong in -stable. I remember I committed it
> to the head of the branch, how does it end up in -stable? It should
> definitely be taken out.

BTW; to quote Linux's Alan Cox on one thread over SMP vs APM problems
and hacks that partially work under Linux:
"APM will never be SMP safe, the problem is at the BIOS level not Linux"

I've re-read the mpspec 1.4.6 stuff and I can't find a single mention of
APM in it.

IMHO, it's a pretty safe assumption that APM should not be called for
anything more than things like ATX poweroff under SMP, and even that's
probably best to defer until after all the AP's have been halted.  Things
like suspend, cpuclock slowdown, idle showdown etc are seriously bad for
SMP systems as the cpu calling the bios will be the one affected.  (eg: a
suspend-to-disk will put the calling CPU into SMI mode and dump it's state
to disk... the other poor cpu's context is going to be lost, and indeed the
other cpu will continue running *during* the suspend-to-disk...)

For stuff like this to work, we're going to need to do a lot of sync work
to get the AP's sufficiently quiescent so no damage is done while the APM
code is active, and so that we can reboot the AP's after a suspend-to-disk
recovery.

> -lq
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > If you have problems on 3.3-RC SMP system with APM enabled, 
> > please test the attached patch and give feedback to me ASAP.
> > 
> > The problem I was reported is that a lot of userland programs get
> > signal 11 and core dumped on startup.  It seems my bad MCF (8/24) 
> > breaks extra GDT entries for SMP.
> > 
> > The following patch was already tested among folks in Japan, I 
> > want fix this before 3.3-RELEASE.
> > 
> > <To Release Coordinator>
> >   My I commit this for RELENG_3 if somebody reports `fixed!' ?
> > </To Release Coordinator>
> > 
> > Index: i386/apm/apm.c
> > ===================================================================
> > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/apm/apm.c,v
> > retrieving revision 1.77.2.6
> > diff -u -r1.77.2.6 apm.c
> > --- apm.c	1999/08/29 16:04:32	1.77.2.6
> > +++ apm.c	1999/09/10 11:57:40
> > @@ -20,7 +20,6 @@
> >  
> >  #include "opt_devfs.h"
> >  #include "opt_vm86.h"
> > -#include "opt_smp.h"
> >  
> >  #include <sys/param.h>
> >  #include <sys/systm.h>
> > @@ -53,10 +52,6 @@
> >  #include <machine/vm86.h>
> >  #endif
> >  
> > -#ifdef SMP
> > -#include <machine/smp.h>
> > -#endif
> > -
> >  static int apm_display __P((int newstate));
> >  static int apm_int __P((u_long *eax, u_long *ebx, u_long *ecx, u_long *edx
    ));
> >  static void apm_resume __P((void));
> > @@ -127,10 +122,6 @@
> >  static void
> >  setup_apm_gdt(u_int code32_base, u_int code16_base, u_int data_base, u_int
     code32_limit, u_int code16_limit, u_int data_limit)
> >  {
> > -#ifdef SMP
> > -	int x;
> > -#endif
> > -
> >  	/* setup 32bit code segment */
> >  	gdt_segs[GAPMCODE32_SEL].ssd_base  = code32_base;
> >  	gdt_segs[GAPMCODE32_SEL].ssd_limit = code32_limit;
> > @@ -147,14 +138,6 @@
> >  	ssdtosd(gdt_segs + GAPMCODE32_SEL, &gdt[GAPMCODE32_SEL].sd);
> >  	ssdtosd(gdt_segs + GAPMCODE16_SEL, &gdt[GAPMCODE16_SEL].sd);
> >  	ssdtosd(gdt_segs + GAPMDATA_SEL  , &gdt[GAPMDATA_SEL  ].sd);
> > -
> > -#ifdef SMP
> > -	for (x = 1; x < NCPU; x++) {
> > -		gdt[x * NGDT + GAPMCODE32_SEL].sd = gdt[GAPMCODE32_SEL].sd;
> > -		gdt[x * NGDT + GAPMCODE16_SEL].sd = gdt[GAPMCODE16_SEL].sd;
> > -		gdt[x * NGDT + GAPMDATA_SEL  ].sd = gdt[GAPMDATA_SEL  ].sd;
> > -	}
> > -#endif
> >  }
> >  
> >  /* 48bit far pointer. Do not staticize - used from apm_setup.s */
> > 
> 
> 
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Cheers,
-Peter
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Fri Sep 10  8:22:37 1999
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Adrian Wontroba wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 11:01:00AM -0700, Kent Stewart wrote:
> > The problem was that I thought that Mergemaster did that for me.
> 
> Mergemaster does run MAKEDEV - but in temproot/dev.  I think as a
> side-product of building temproot/dev so that it can compare the new
> MAKEDEV with the old.

	That's correct. By default mm just runs /usr/src/etc/Makefile with a
DESTDIR argument, which creates the devices in $DESTDIR/dev. mm never
touches anything on your running system unless it asks you first. 

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I started reading the system requirements for 3.3-RC and the first
thing I noticed was that 5MB is still listed as the memory
requirements. It is more or less common knowledge that you require 8MB
minimum and 12MB in general to install FreeBSD. It seems like this
statement should be corrected. The 3.3-RC INSTALL.txt reads as
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FreeBSD requires a 386 or better processor to run (sorry, there is no
support for '286 processors) and at least 5 megs of RAM to install
and 4 megs of RAM to run. You will need at least 100MB of free hard
drive space for the most minimal installation.  See below for ways of
shrinking existing DOS partitions in order to install FreeBSD.

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On 10 Sep 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:

> Kent Stewart <kstewart@3-cities.com> writes:
> > Do you have a URL for CompUSA?
> 
> http://www.compusa.com/

The site isn't run exactly by compusa (or so they tell me) and
they don't have the powerpack in inventory which is a shame.

Funny how the stores are mandated to at least stock 1 and the
web site has 0... :(

-Alfred



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In message <19990910094723.A34672@hal.mpn.cp.philips.com>, Jos Backus 
writes:
> On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 03:23:51PM -0700, Brian Beattie wrote:
> > Sep  9 15:19:01 w-bbeattie /kernel: cmd soffice.bin pid 10767 tried to use 
>  non-present sched_yield
> 
> Add
> 
> options         P1003_1B
> options         _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING
> options         _KPOSIX_VERSION=199309L
> 
> to your kernel config, and build/install/reboot.

It would be nice if this were in the GENERIC kernel.  I came across 
this when installing the NTP port.  NTP determines whether an O/S has 
support for POSIX priority scheduling by looking in the /usr/include.  
If it cannot find it it assumes rtprio support.  Since it finds it in 
/usr/include it includes support even though the kernel may not have 
support included it.

I suppose another alternative might be for ports that check for it, 
check using sysctl p1003_1b.priority_scheduling, rather than looking in 
/usr/include, to determine whether it's supported in that particular 
kernel or not.


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Hmmm, I was thinking (uh-oh):
Actually, all you really need to do is get the ability to set a
processes' affinity working.  When you call something like suspend, etc,
move everything off the AP(s) then preform the call.  Basically like
in BeOS disabling a CPU with the CPU tool.  Of course this'd require losts
of work, but it'd be work that was already needed.

Let me know if that's the stupidest thing you've ever heard, it sounds
reasonable to me, but I'm not a kernel developer ;'D

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On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Peter Wemm wrote:

> Luoqi Chen wrote:
> > Hmm, this change doesn't belong in -stable. I remember I committed it
> > to the head of the branch, how does it end up in -stable? It should
> > definitely be taken out.
> 
> BTW; to quote Linux's Alan Cox on one thread over SMP vs APM problems
> and hacks that partially work under Linux:
> "APM will never be SMP safe, the problem is at the BIOS level not Linux"
> 
> I've re-read the mpspec 1.4.6 stuff and I can't find a single mention of
> APM in it.
> 
> IMHO, it's a pretty safe assumption that APM should not be called for
> anything more than things like ATX poweroff under SMP, and even that's
> probably best to defer until after all the AP's have been halted.  Things
> like suspend, cpuclock slowdown, idle showdown etc are seriously bad for
> SMP systems as the cpu calling the bios will be the one affected.  (eg: a
> suspend-to-disk will put the calling CPU into SMI mode and dump it's state
> to disk... the other poor cpu's context is going to be lost, and indeed the
> other cpu will continue running *during* the suspend-to-disk...)
> 
> For stuff like this to work, we're going to need to do a lot of sync work
> to get the AP's sufficiently quiescent so no damage is done while the APM
> code is active, and so that we can reboot the AP's after a suspend-to-disk
> recovery.
> 



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> What's about ${SUBJ}? Now, on 3.2-STABLE (last cvsupped on Jun 22),
> we're experiencing a lot of troubles with concurrent MYSQL
> transactions. Our box is Dual PII-333 with 384M RAM and 8GB UW SCSI.
> 
> Is there a chance for some improvements in SMP? I'd like to know
> exactly about it, because it's impossible to experiment with the
> production server...

Threads (libc_r) are userland threads and are not affected by SMP.
You'll need to provide more details...

Dan Eischen
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> On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 09:51:57AM -0700, Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au=
> wrote:
> =

> > > One of my customer ask me, if we could install a FreeBSD-stable on
> > > an IBM Netfinity 5500(or 5005 ?) with 2 processors and if the ether=
net and
> > > RAID-5 card is supported ?
> > =

> > The onboard ServerRaid controller is not supported; the rest of the =

> > system works OK.  You'll need a supported SCSI controller.
> =

> Does FreeBSD support the Reliance chipset used in NF5000? You seem to b=
e
> the most knowledgeable about IBM PC servers. For what it's worth I thin=
k
> the NF5000 is better suited, it has two-channel AIC-7895 onboard which
> seems supported. No need for additional SCSI card. Well expandable in
> the RAID case, it has 5 hot-swap bays, just plug the ServeRaid card.

It's hard to be sure, since IBM change the innards of the system =

massively but leave the same label on the box.  However, I can see no =

reason why the current NF5000 wouldn't work just fine.

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> Hmm, this change doesn't belong in -stable. I remember I committed it
> to the head of the branch, how does it end up in -stable? It should
> definitely be taken out.

It was merged after a request for comment didn't elict any responses.  
Do you want to see the original patchset for the merge, in case 
something else undesired came in?

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> > Hmm, this change doesn't belong in -stable. I remember I committed it
> > to the head of the branch, how does it end up in -stable? It should
> > definitely be taken out.
> 
> It was merged after a request for comment didn't elict any responses.  
> Do you want to see the original patchset for the merge, in case 
> something else undesired came in?
> 
> -- 
> \\  The mind's the standard       \\  Mike Smith
> \\  of the man.                   \\  msmith@freebsd.org
> \\    -- Joseph Merrick           \\  msmith@cdrom.com
> 
I'm sorry I didn't see the message. I checked the cvs log, it was merged
on 8/24. I wasn't following the mailing list for the two weeks prior to
Labor day. I went through the diff, only this SMP related change should
be taken out (well, I know nothing about other changes, I presume they
are fine).

-lq


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On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Mike Smith wrote:
> > Hmm, this change doesn't belong in -stable. I remember I committed it
> > to the head of the branch, how does it end up in -stable? It should
> > definitely be taken out.
> 
> It was merged after a request for comment didn't elict any responses.  
> Do you want to see the original patchset for the merge, in case 
> something else undesired came in?

Professedly a complete newbie in many respects, I must say 3.3 SMP is working
fine here. I do get some sort of error message, which I never saw in current
(dmesg appended below). 
Top now shows more clearly boths CPU's working. In current (well of a week ago
or so, when it died on my dual box when I tried to dual install a certain
unmentionable OS) there was always one "run" and one "CPUx" under STATE. Or is
this only related to top?

Marc Schneiders
marc@oldserver.demon.nl


machine

ECS Elite P6FX-2A
2 PentiumPro 200MHz @ 233 256k

dmesg (partly)

Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc.
Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
	The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 3.3-19990909-RC #0: Fri Sep 10 20:57:38 CEST 1999
    marc@unclad.oldserver.demon.nl:/usr/src/sys/compile/UNCLAD
Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
CPU: Pentium Pro (686-class CPU)
  Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0x619  Stepping = 9
  Features=0xfbff<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV>
real memory  = 268435456 (262144K bytes)
avail memory = 258494464 (252436K bytes)
Programming 24 pins in IOAPIC #0
FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard
 cpu0 (BSP): apic id:  1, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000
 cpu1 (AP):  apic id:  0, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000
 io0 (APIC): apic id:  2, version: 0x00170011, at 0xfec00000
Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc02a6000.
Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled
Probing for devices on PCI bus 0:
chip0: <Intel 82440FX (Natoma) PCI and memory controller> rev 0x02 on pci0.0.0
chip1: <Intel 82371SB PCI to ISA bridge> rev 0x01 on pci0.7.0
ncr0: <ncr 53c810a fast10 scsi> rev 0x12 int a irq 16 on pci0.9.0
bogus MP table, 2 IO APIC pins connected to the same PCI device or ISA/EISA interrupt
Registered extra interrupt handler for int 18 (in addition to int 16)
vga0: <S3 ViRGE graphics accelerator> rev 0x06 int a irq 16 on pci0.11.0
[...]
npx0 on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
APIC_IO: Testing 8254 interrupt delivery
APIC_IO: routing 8254 via pin 2
Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle
SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched!
changing root device to da1s1a
[...]


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> > > Hmm, this change doesn't belong in -stable. I remember I committed it
> > > to the head of the branch, how does it end up in -stable? It should
> > > definitely be taken out.
> > 
> > It was merged after a request for comment didn't elict any responses.  
> > Do you want to see the original patchset for the merge, in case 
> > something else undesired came in?
> > 
> I'm sorry I didn't see the message. I checked the cvs log, it was merged
> on 8/24. I wasn't following the mailing list for the two weeks prior to
> Labor day. I went through the diff, only this SMP related change should
> be taken out (well, I know nothing about other changes, I presume they
> are fine).

Cool, thanks for checking!  Mister Iwasaki, you have the knife!
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On Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 11:22:01AM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:
> "Jeffrey J. Mountin" <jeff-ml@mountin.net> writes:
> > Why was this change made?
> 
> Because the no. 1 most frequently asked question on -questions /
> -newbies used to be "how do I get more than 3 virtual consoles?"
> 
> I even saw somebody on IRC who was convinced that FreeBSD was
> shareware and that you had to register to get more vtys. Furrfu.

And it is not as if it actually costs you much more than a bit of swap space:

aw1@titus /home/aw1$ ps -aux | grep getty
root     365  0.0  0.0   828    0  v0  IWs+ -         0:00.00 (getty)
root     366  0.0  0.0   828    0  v2  IWs+ -         0:00.00 (getty)
root     367  0.0  0.0   828    0  v3  IWs+ -         0:00.00 (getty)
root     368  0.0  0.0   828    0  v4  IWs+ -         0:00.00 (getty)
root     369  0.0  0.0   828    0  v5  IWs+ -         0:00.00 (getty)
root     370  0.0  0.0   828    0  v6  IWs+ -         0:00.00 (getty)
root     371  0.0  0.0   828    0  v7  IWs+ -         0:00.00 (getty)
root     372  0.0  0.0   828    0  v8  IWs+ -         0:00.00 (getty)
                                ^
				|
--------------------------------+

Admittedly, I was bitten by the change when it happened. That I
was bitten was my own fault.  I do read the commit logs, but the
significance of feeding the monster didn't hit me.  I later blithly
merged away, rebooted and thought "Oops, take more care next time, don't
simultaneously upgrade three machines in a hurry".

I would like to make a small plea for facts always in the logs, but
still retaining the occasional bit of humour.

-- 
Adrian Wontroba


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Mitsuru IWASAKI wrote:

> If you have problems on 3.3-RC SMP system with APM enabled, 
> please test the attached patch and give feedback to me ASAP.
> 
> The problem I was reported is that a lot of userland programs get
> signal 11 and core dumped on startup.  It seems my bad MCF (8/24) 
> breaks extra GDT entries for SMP.

I think I just spent an entire Friday evening wondering why with 3.3-RC
/bin/csh kept coring immediately upon startup when the system was in
multi-user mode, and inetd coring after having spawned telnetd once,
and other various ugly stuff...

I'd test your patch but I've just gotten home and I don't really feel like
having that server down for another few hours right now, so unfortunately 
I won't be testing your patch.


	-- Niels.



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This shouldn't be on either -hackers or -isp. Try -stable.

On 08-Sep-99 Addr.com Web Hosting wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I last night I have upgraded a system to the latest stable, and have 
> already received two of these panics:
> 
> uname -a reads
> FreeBSD addr3.addr.com 3.3-RC FreeBSD 3.3-RC #0: Tue Sep  7 21:57:07 GMT 1999
>    root@addr3.addr.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/ADDRKERN  i386
> 
> the panic reads:
> Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode
> mp_lock = 01000002; cpuid = 1; lapic.id = 01000000
> fault virtual address   = 0xc4e7f08c
> fault code              = supervisor write, page not present
> instruction pointer     = 0x8:0xc025f47a
> stack pointer           = 0x10:0xd2ed2f0c
> frame pointer           = 0x10:0xd2ed2f1c
> code segment            = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b
>                          = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1
> processor eflags        = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0
> current process         = 12498 (httpd)
> interrupt mask          = net tty bio cam  <- SMP: XXX
> trap number             = 12
> panic: page fault
> mp_lock = 01000002; cpuid = 1; lapic.id = 01000000
> boot() called on cpu#1
> 
> nm /kernel for that area shows:
> 
> c025f314 T pmap_page_exists
> c025f30c T pmap_pageable
> c025f3a4 T pmap_remove_pages
> c025f4e0 t pmap_testbit
> 
> The server is a dual PentiumIII-450 with 512 MB of ram and DPT raid 
> controller. Max users is set at 256 (I don't know about this version, but 
> on previous versions setting it higher caused constant panics). It usually 
> runs at load average of about 2, serving apache/sendmail/telnet/ftpd/ipop3d 
> as well as a little bit of NFS data for local updates and a completely idle 
> NFS client.
> I am unable to trace the panic to any particular event, the system can run 
> high load with no problems and one of the panics was in the evening when 
> the system was running at only 0.5 load average.
> If you need any more info I would be glad to provide it. Any help regarding 
> this problem would be greatly appreciated.

Sorry, no idea about this.

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Hi, Mister Mike, thanks alot for your support and commit.

> > I'm sorry I didn't see the message. I checked the cvs log, it was merged
> > on 8/24. I wasn't following the mailing list for the two weeks prior to
> > Labor day. I went through the diff, only this SMP related change should
> > be taken out (well, I know nothing about other changes, I presume they
> > are fine).
> 
> Cool, thanks for checking!  Mister Iwasaki, you have the knife!

I was wating for `Go for it' command last night preparing draft of
commit log, but I could hardly stay awake, upset the timing to commit.
#I think I was very strained and tired :)

I'm sorry to troubled all of you and appreciated your cooperation.

Here is my commit log draft for it (no longer used)  :)

Revert part of MFC (1.77 -> 1.77.2.1) on SMP.
Previous version made a lot of userland programs got
signal 11 and core dumped during startup on SMP system.
SMP related changes should be taken out in RELENG_3.

Pointed out by:	msmith
Approved by:	jkh
Tested by:	Masayuki FUKUI <fukui@sonic.nm.fujitsu.co.jp>,
		ohashi@mickey.ai.kyutech.ac.jp (Takeshi OHASHI),
		sada
Untested by:	iwasaki


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At 12:14 AM 9/11/99 +0100, Adrian Wontroba wrote:
>And it is not as if it actually costs you much more than a bit of swap space:
>
>aw1@titus /home/aw1$ ps -aux | grep getty
>root     365  0.0  0.0   828    0  v0  IWs+ -         0:00.00 (getty)
>root     366  0.0  0.0   828    0  v2  IWs+ -         0:00.00 (getty)
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>                                ^
>				|
>--------------------------------+
>
>Admittedly, I was bitten by the change when it happened. That I
>was bitten was my own fault.  I do read the commit logs, but the
>significance of feeding the monster didn't hit me.  I later blithly
>merged away, rebooted and thought "Oops, take more care next time, don't
>simultaneously upgrade three machines in a hurry".

Ahhh, but when I got bit I edited /etc/ttys, so the cost increase was only
a few keystrokes when running mergemaster. ;)

>I would like to make a small plea for facts always in the logs, but
>still retaining the occasional bit of humour.

Agreed.

Kinda bothers me that I missed the discussion and I make it a point to read
all discussions on the cvs list and *all* RELENG_3 commits, as well as
eyeball the cvsup output.  DES (the person :) said it was discussed, but
somehow I missed it.  No matter, the reason was good.

Just have to remember the next time X is installed to "fix" /etc/ttys.


<muttering> Try to pay attention to what's going on and...
8-)


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At 09:55 PM 9/10/99 +0200, Marc Schneiders wrote:
>Professedly a complete newbie in many respects, I must say 3.3 SMP is working
>fine here. I do get some sort of error message, which I never saw in current
>(dmesg appended below). 
>Top now shows more clearly boths CPU's working. In current (well of a week
ago
>or so, when it died on my dual box when I tried to dual install a certain
>unmentionable OS) there was always one "run" and one "CPUx" under STATE.
Or is
>this only related to top?

Looked at top(1) and find that the "C" column is not documented.  Nor was
it very clear to me in the source either, but appears to be the last CPU
the process ran on (in a fuzzy way of course).  Alright, make that logical
ie PP(pp, p_lastcpu), but still no comments on the "C" field requiring some
more digging (no complaints) to track down the field.

An oversight perhaps?


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> I started reading the system requirements for 3.3-RC and the first
> thing I noticed was that 5MB is still listed as the memory
> requirements. It is more or less common knowledge that you require 8MB
> minimum and 12MB in general to install FreeBSD. It seems like this
> statement should be corrected. The 3.3-RC INSTALL.txt reads as
> follows:
> 
> FreeBSD requires a 386 or better processor to run (sorry, there is no
> support for '286 processors) and at least 5 megs of RAM to install
> and 4 megs of RAM to run. You will need at least 100MB of free hard
> drive space for the most minimal installation.  See below for ways of
> shrinking existing DOS partitions in order to install FreeBSD.

If this is going to be re-written, it should probably changed much more
than just the numbers.  I have several FreeBSD systems (3.2+) running
quite comfortably in 4MB, and they use much less than the 100MB "minimum".
True, they're all fairly limited systems running specific jobs, but they
do work...  On the other hand, my 3.2 Postgres server has 256MB, and could use
more...  This "minimum requirements" section should probably have several
categories -- embedded system, firewall/router, general network stuff,
file server, and full-blown-has-more-features-than-god workstation.

--mike



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According to my semi-regular CVSup run, someone named "peter"
touched about a bizillion files under RELENG_2_2 on 9/5/99.

Does this make sense?  Do I dare "make world"?

	-crl
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"Chad R. Larson" <chad@DCFinc.com> writes:

> According to my semi-regular CVSup run, someone named "peter"
> touched about a bizillion files under RELENG_2_2 on 9/5/99.

This was the RELENG_2_2 portion of the great $Id -> $FreeBSD
conversion.  All that was changes was the CVS string.

> Does this make sense?  Do I dare "make world"?

Should be safe enough, though I doubt that enough has really changed
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On Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 09:08:15AM -0700, Kent Stewart wrote:
> I started reading the system requirements for 3.3-RC and the first
> thing I noticed was that 5MB is still listed as the memory
> requirements. It is more or less common knowledge that you require 8MB
> minimum and 12MB in general to install FreeBSD. It seems like this
> statement should be corrected. The 3.3-RC INSTALL.txt reads as
> follows:
> 
> FreeBSD requires a 386 or better processor to run (sorry, there is no
> support for '286 processors) and at least 5 megs of RAM to install
> and 4 megs of RAM to run. You will need at least 100MB of free hard
> drive space for the most minimal installation.  See below for ways of
> shrinking existing DOS partitions in order to install FreeBSD.
> 
This also fails to mention the alpha port exists.

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Hi,
************************************
* Bt848/Bt878 Driver 1.73 Released *
************************************

Bt848/Bt878 driver release 1.73 - 10th Sepetember 1999
is now available for download from the usual place at

  http://telepresence.dmem.strath.ac.uk/bt848

The driver will work with FreeBSD 2.2.5, 2.2.6, 2.2.7, 2.2.8,
2.2-stable,
FreeBSD 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.x-stable, and FreeBSD 4.x.
It _should_ also work on BSDi, NetBSD and OpenBSD.


Whats new since release 1.68
1) VBI support is now great. I strongly recomend the AleVT Teletext
decode program in
   /usr/ports/misc/alevt
   There is no need to resize FXTV now. Just start Alevt, then start
FXTV and teletext
   works great.
2) MSP3430 audio support.
   North American users of Hauppauge cards with MSP3430 DBX chips are
supported.
3) Autodetect of new STB Bt878 cards. No audio support yet.
4) Support new Hauppauge Tuner types
5) Add Card Type for AIMs Labs Video Highway Xtreme.
6) Patches from NetBSD, OpenBSD, BSDi integrated. One source file for
all OSs.


NOTE On release 1.72
Release 1.72 is in 3.x-stable and will ship with FreeBSD 3.3-R.
It lacks Hauppauge tuner type 6 and Video Highway Xtreme card types.

4.x-CURRENT.
Release 1.73 is checked in to the source now, so you will get it in your
next CVS update.


Bye
Roger
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Peter Wemm wrote:

> BTW; to quote Linux's Alan Cox on one thread over SMP vs APM problems
> and hacks that partially work under Linux:
> "APM will never be SMP safe, the problem is at the BIOS level not Linux"
> 
> I've re-read the mpspec 1.4.6 stuff and I can't find a single mention of
> APM in it.
> 
> IMHO, it's a pretty safe assumption that APM should not be called for
> anything more than things like ATX poweroff under SMP, and even that's
> probably best to defer until after all the AP's have been halted.  Things
> like suspend, cpuclock slowdown, idle showdown etc are seriously bad for
> SMP systems as the cpu calling the bios will be the one affected.  (eg: a
> suspend-to-disk will put the calling CPU into SMI mode and dump it's state
> to disk... the other poor cpu's context is going to be lost, and indeed the
> other cpu will continue running *during* the suspend-to-disk...)

Even if I don't want to use APM, I need the system statistics of cpu%
etc. I personally would not care too much if I can't "shutdown -p" etc.
but system statistics are mandatory. On my 3.2-stable the trick was no
enable "apm0    at isa? flags 0x20" in the kernel config file to get
system statistics working (it did not work without the 0x20 flag nor
with apm disabled at all). Because this is a production system here I
can not cvsup to stable as long as I don't know if SMP (including system
statistics) is working again. Can somebody please verify if this is
fixed now on -stable.

Thanks in advance,

Christoph


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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sat Sep 11 13:45:59 1999
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This is a follow-up to my own question, which was (approximately) "what
(if any) is the syncronization between the kernel's idea of the time,
and the CMOS clock on the motherboard".

The answer may be found via "man adjkerntz".

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* Chad R. Larson (chad@DCFinc.com) [990911 09:12]:
> According to my semi-regular CVSup run, someone named "peter"
> touched about a bizillion files under RELENG_2_2 on 9/5/99.
> 
> Does this make sense?  Do I dare "make world"?
> 
Peter Wemm only changed the $Id$ strings to be $FreeBSD$, so yes it is
safe to 'make world'.

Peter Wemm only chanhed this, not something that you would gain from a
make world.

Anders
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sat Sep 11 20: 2:30 1999
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I cvsup'ed, rebuilt, and rebooted...   It is working.

Thanks!

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