From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 19 13:41:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD08237B5AD; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 13:41:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id WAA06925; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:34:25 +0100 (MET) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28286; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:28:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wilko) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:28:56 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: mjacob@feral.com, wilko@freebsd.org, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Initial Alpha 8200 support is integrated- Alpha Hardware.txt update? Message-ID: <20000319222856.E27804@yedi.iaf.nl> Reply-To: wilko@freebsd.org References: <14548.17173.404856.658703@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <14548.17173.404856.658703@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 10:02:13PM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 10:02:13PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Matthew Jacob writes: > > > > The initial pass at the Alpha 8200 (aka TurboLaser) has been checked in. > > Hurray! And the crowd goes wild! > > Drew The crowd goes Wildfire ;-) Got my hands on one last week. Cool machinery. They also had a 19" rack full of DS10L ('Slate') machines in a Beowulf/Linux cluster. Pretty neat as well. -- Wilko Bulte Arnhem, The Netherlands http://www.tcja.nl The FreeBSD Project: http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 19 17:13:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (peter1.yahoo.com [208.48.107.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD27037B7EC; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:13:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3591CC9; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:13:27 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: wilko@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Andrew Gallatin , mjacob@feral.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Initial Alpha 8200 support is integrated- Alpha Hardware.txt update? In-Reply-To: Message from Wilko Bulte of "Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:28:56 +0100." <20000319222856.E27804@yedi.iaf.nl> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 09:13:27 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20000320011327.BD3591CC9@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 10:02:13PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > Matthew Jacob writes: > > > > > > The initial pass at the Alpha 8200 (aka TurboLaser) has been checked in. > > > > Hurray! And the crowd goes wild! > > > > Drew > > The crowd goes Wildfire ;-) Got my hands on one last week. Cool machinery. > They also had a 19" rack full of DS10L ('Slate') machines in a Beowulf/Linux > cluster. Pretty neat as well. Judging by the commit messages, this looked pretty non-intrusive.. This should be backported to 4.x so that it doesn't disappear into a non-functioning -current while it's broken for extended periods during merging. If it doesn't get backported it will probably be out of circulation for 12+ months, and it'll be easiest to do it now rather than after things have started diverging too far. Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 20 20:25:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC2D37BD90 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:24:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nmanisca@vt.edu) Received: from mail.vt.edu (gkar.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.40]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21845 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:24:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from dog ([198.82.106.223]) by gkar.cc.vt.edu (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with SMTP id <0FRR0000888M5U@gkar.cc.vt.edu> for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:24:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:23:36 -0500 From: nm Subject: X the right way? X-Sender: nmanisca@mail.vt.edu To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Message-id: <3.0.32.20000320232335.04d00b70@mail.vt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What is the right way to install XFree86? I have an AS200 with a fresh install of FreeBSD 4.0 RELEASE. I have a Matrox Millenium PCI card. My goal is to have a stable 24-bit color display. Should I build XFree86-4 from ports? I tried this but ended up with a compile error I think... (I just used the default build options). I also built XFree86 (v4) from the source and it built fine. I ran xf86config as usual. When I run startx the screen never switches to video. I didn't append the log here because I am not sure even if I should be trying to run v4 or not. How should I go about getting XFree86 (v4) to build? Should I go back to 3.3.6? Nick Maniscalco To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 21 1:49: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dd-mail-smtp.dk.damgaard.com (client.dk.damgaard.com [193.88.253.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D5CD937B5B8 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:49:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bbl@dk.damgaard.com) Received: from 193.88.253.3 by dd-mail-smtp.dk.damgaard.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:48:37 +0100 (Romance Standard Time) Received: by mail.damgaard.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:48:37 +0100 Message-ID: <5ED89301AE60D311AAD500508B0EF55F50DFA0@dd-mail.intern.dd.dk> From: Bjarne Blichfeldt To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Which cvs tagname ? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:45:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am using a pws500 and upgraded to FreeBSD-4 (using cvs) about a month = ago. Until recently, I was quite happy with everything, but after I = recompiled kde and X, the X-server dumps once or twice a day. Furthermore I see a lot of unaligned access from the X-server and kwm. So, I asume I need to upgrade the whole story, but to what ?=20 I just tried to cvsup' using tag=3D. but that was not able to make buildworld. It failed sbin/vinum/list.c B_READ undeclared. I would like to stay almost current, but not so current that my system doesn't work ;-) I am using this machine as workstation at work, = meaning that not too much downtime is acceptable. Which cvs tagname would be sensible to use ? Thanks Bjarne Blichfeldt Damgaard Development A/S Bregner=F8dvej 133 - DK 3460 Birker=F8d phone +45 45 99 93 00 direct +45 45 99 98 88 fax. +45 42 81 93 85 e-mail: bbl@dk.damgaard.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 21 2: 5:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD49E37B5E8 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 02:05:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@d60-024.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.24]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA65769; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 02:05:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id CAA57393; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 02:05:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 02:05:07 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Bjarne Blichfeldt Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which cvs tagname ? Message-ID: <20000321020507.A57370@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <5ED89301AE60D311AAD500508B0EF55F50DFA0@dd-mail.intern.dd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <5ED89301AE60D311AAD500508B0EF55F50DFA0@dd-mail.intern.dd.dk>; from bbl@dk.damgaard.com on Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 10:45:39AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 10:45:39AM +0100, Bjarne Blichfeldt wrote: > I just tried to cvsup' using tag=. but that was not able to make ... > Which cvs tagname would be sensible to use ? *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4 -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 21 2:29:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dd-mail-smtp.dk.damgaard.com (client.dk.damgaard.com [193.88.253.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A9BC937B707 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 02:29:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bbl@dk.damgaard.com) Received: from 193.88.253.3 by dd-mail-smtp.dk.damgaard.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:29:20 +0100 (Romance Standard Time) Received: by mail.damgaard.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:29:20 +0100 Message-ID: <5ED89301AE60D311AAD500508B0EF55F50DFA1@dd-mail.intern.dd.dk> From: Bjarne Blichfeldt To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Which cvs tagname ? Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:26:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Great, thanks=20 I will try that right away mvh, Bjarne Blichfeldt Damgaard Development A/S Bregner=F8dvej 133 - DK 3460 Birker=F8d phone +45 45 99 93 00 direct +45 45 99 98 88 fax. +45 42 81 93 85 e-mail: bbl@dk.damgaard.com -----Original Message----- From: David O'Brien [mailto:obrien@FreeBSD.ORG] Sent: 21. marts 2000 11:05 To: Bjarne Blichfeldt Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which cvs tagname ? On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 10:45:39AM +0100, Bjarne Blichfeldt wrote: > I just tried to cvsup' using tag=3D. but that was not able to make ... > Which cvs tagname would be sensible to use ? *default release=3Dcvs tag=3DRELENG_4 --=20 -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 21 7:59:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2A737B581 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:59:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01789; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:59:28 -0800 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:59:28 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Bjarne Blichfeldt Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which cvs tagname ? In-Reply-To: <5ED89301AE60D311AAD500508B0EF55F50DFA0@dd-mail.intern.dd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org RELENG_4 is the 4.0 release. Things going past that got destabilized right away (the carpenters were finishing their smokes as Jordan was cutting the = CD image). On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Bjarne Blichfeldt wrote: > I am using a pws500 and upgraded to FreeBSD-4 (using cvs) about a month a= go. > Until recently, I was quite happy with everything, but after I recompiled > kde and X, the X-server dumps once or twice a day. > Furthermore I see a lot of unaligned access from the X-server and kwm. >=20 > So, I asume I need to upgrade the whole story, but to what ?=20 > I just tried to cvsup' using tag=3D. but that was not able to make > buildworld. > It failed sbin/vinum/list.c B_READ undeclared. >=20 > I would like to stay almost current, but not so current that my system > doesn't work ;-) I am using this machine as workstation at work, meaning > that > not too much downtime is acceptable. >=20 > Which cvs tagname would be sensible to use ? >=20 > Thanks > Bjarne Blichfeldt >=20 > Damgaard Development A/S > Bregner=F8dvej 133 - DK 3460 Birker=F8d > phone +45 45 99 93 00 > direct +45 45 99 98 88 > fax. +45 42 81 93 85 > e-mail: bbl@dk.damgaard.com >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message >=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 21 8:50:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com (ha1.rdc1.sdca.home.com [24.0.3.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A8837BC2E for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:50:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from craig-burgess@home.net) Received: from home.net ([24.0.178.21]) by mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000321165005.XEWM14303.mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com@home.net>; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:50:05 -0800 Message-ID: <38D7A912.7FEE19E2@home.net> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 08:53:38 -0800 From: Craig Burgess X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Which cvs tagname ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I dunno -- last night (3/20) I used RELENG_4 from cvsup2 and went from 4-CURRENT to 4-STABLE. At least I think I did: *default host=cvsup2.FreeBSD.org *default base=/usr *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4 *default delete use-rel-suffix uname -a FreeBSD felix 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #3: Mon Mar 20 20:30:49 PST 2000 Am I missing something here? craig Matthew Jacob wrote: > > RELENG_4 is the 4.0 release. Things going past that got destabilized right > away (the carpenters were finishing their smokes as Jordan was cutting the CD > image). -- ... mind like a steel trap: things wander in and get mangled ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 21 11:17:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com (ha1.rdc1.sdca.home.com [24.0.3.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DAC37BE77 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:17:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from craig-burgess@home.net) Received: from home.net ([24.0.178.21]) by mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000321191654.WVE14303.mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com@home.net> for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:16:54 -0800 Message-ID: <38D7CB7C.2DD64958@home.net> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 11:20:28 -0800 From: Craig Burgess X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: building X fails in 4.0-STABLE (3/20) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org CVSUP'd on 3/20 and built from ports as follows: xf86_PCI.c:518: sys/pci_ioctl.h: No such file or directory xf86_PCI.c: In function `pciconfig_read': xf86_PCI.c:546: storage size of `io' isn't known xf86_PCI.c:553: `PCIOCREAD' undeclared (first use in this function) xf86_PCI.c:553: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once xf86_PCI.c:553: for each function it appears in.) xf86_PCI.c: In function `pciconfig_write': xf86_PCI.c:567: storage size of `io' isn't known xf86_PCI.c:574: `PCIOCWRITE' undeclared (first use in this function) *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/XFree86/work/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/common_hw. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/XFree86/work/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/XFree86/work/xc/programs/Xserver. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/XFree86/work/xc/programs. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/XFree86/work/xc. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/XFree86/work/xc. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/XFree86. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/XFree86. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/XFree86. hardware: EB164 Digital AlphaPC 164 500 MHz, 500MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. CPU: EV56 (21164A) Hints? Clues? Abandon all hope? Does this belong on freebsd-STABLE? Thanks, Craig To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 21 12: 2: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9228F37BE8E for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:02:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA40765; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:01:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ken) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:01:45 -0700 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Craig Burgess Cc: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: building X fails in 4.0-STABLE (3/20) Message-ID: <20000321130145.A40728@panzer.kdm.org> References: <38D7CB7C.2DD64958@home.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <38D7CB7C.2DD64958@home.net>; from craig-burgess@home.net on Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 11:20:28AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 11:20:28 -0800, Craig Burgess wrote: > CVSUP'd on 3/20 and built from ports as follows: > > xf86_PCI.c:518: sys/pci_ioctl.h: No such file or directory > xf86_PCI.c: In function `pciconfig_read': > xf86_PCI.c:546: storage size of `io' isn't known > xf86_PCI.c:553: `PCIOCREAD' undeclared (first use in this function) > xf86_PCI.c:553: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > xf86_PCI.c:553: for each function it appears in.) > xf86_PCI.c: In function `pciconfig_write': > xf86_PCI.c:567: storage size of `io' isn't known > xf86_PCI.c:574: `PCIOCWRITE' undeclared (first use in this function) > *** Error code 1 It looks like the port may be out of date -- it should be using sys/pciio.h, not pci_ioctl.h. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 21 12:35:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F6337BE17 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:35:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nmanisca@vt.edu) Received: from mail.vt.edu (gkar.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.40]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17976 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:34:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from dog ([198.82.106.223]) by gkar.cc.vt.edu (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with SMTP id <0FRS00BDSH63I6@gkar.cc.vt.edu> for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:34:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:34:05 -0500 From: nm Subject: X Success With MGA and Sound Question X-Sender: nmanisca@mail.vt.edu To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Message-id: <3.0.32.20000321153404.04d1cea0@mail.vt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I installed my Matrox Millenium 4MB and built XFree86 3.3.6 from ports and X works GREAT in 32 bpp. I am happy. Seems pretty stable so far... Next up is getting the onboard audio on my AS200 to work. I assume I need to compile this into the kernel? Is the AS200's audio hardware supported? Thanks again, Nick Maniscalco nmanisca@vt.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 21 12:39: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B6937BCFC for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:38:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12638; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA05437; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:38:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:38:27 -0500 (EST) To: nm Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X Success With MGA and Sound Question In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20000321153404.04d1cea0@mail.vt.edu> References: <3.0.32.20000321153404.04d1cea0@mail.vt.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14551.56679.73796.388364@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org nm writes: > I installed my Matrox Millenium 4MB and built XFree86 > 3.3.6 from ports and X works GREAT in 32 bpp. > > I am happy. > > Seems pretty stable so far... Its nice to have you happy ;-) > Next up is getting the onboard audio on my AS200 to > work. I assume I need to compile this into the kernel? > > Is the AS200's audio hardware supported? Yes, use this line in your config file: device pcm0 at isa? port 0x530 irq 9 drq 0 flags 0x10011 This worked just prior to 4.0-RELEASE, I haven't checked -RELEASE yet on an AS200. My miata at home even runs xmms just fine ;-) Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 21 13:14:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.thebiz.net (mx1.thebiz.net [216.238.0.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A0F637BD24 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:14:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from maz@albany.net) Received: (qmail 13930 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2000 16:14:37 -0500 Received: from mail2.thebiz.net (172.16.0.129) by mx1.thebiz.net with SMTP; 21 Mar 2000 16:14:37 -0500 Received: (qmail 22584 invoked by uid 0); 21 Mar 2000 16:14:37 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO mahatma) (216.238.1.20) by mail.albany.net with SMTP; 21 Mar 2000 16:14:37 -0500 Message-ID: <040f01bf937a$5f3f9980$1401eed8@mahatma> From: "Matthew Zahorik" To: Subject: Kernel panic / unaligned access fault Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:13:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [basealpha]:3:54pm:~% ping 216.238.0.10 PING 216.238.0.10 (216.238.0.10): 48 data bytes fatal kernel trap: trap entry = 0x4 (unaligned access fault) a0 = 0xfffffe0000ec2d9e a1 = 0x28 a2 = 0x1 pc = 0xfffffc0000e3c9a0 ra = 0xfffffe000d5d7800 curproc = 0xfffffe000d5d7800 pid = 331, comm = ping panic: trap This only happens in a kernel with the BOOTP* options compiled in. How do translate the above information into the offending line of C code in a (debug enabled) kernel? I can fix things from that point. I'm just unfamiliar with the BSD kernel structure. I can ping local hosts with ease. It panics on any TCP traffic that goes out through the default gateway. My BOOTP setup doesn't set a local gateway. (the boxes bootp's off a private network connected to interface 2 of 2 on the box - interface 1 of 2 and the default gateway are set by scripts and are visible to the world) - Matt -- Matthew Zahorik Director of Systems and Networking - BiznessOnline.com matt@thebiz.net President of AlbanyNet Inc. - a BiznessOnline subsidiary maz@albany.net Voice: (518) 292-1001 Fax: (518) 626-0793 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 21 13:41: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3859C37BE43 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:39:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nmanisca@vt.edu) Received: from mail.vt.edu (gkar.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.40]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06966 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:38:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from dog ([198.82.106.223]) by gkar.cc.vt.edu (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with SMTP id <0FRS00H5JK4Z88@gkar.cc.vt.edu> for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:38:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:38:12 -0500 From: nm Subject: success with osf1_base port? X-Sender: nmanisca@mail.vt.edu To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Message-id: <3.0.32.20000321163812.04d20a40@mail.vt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone have success with the osf1_base port on 4.0-RELEASE? the netscape rpm gets downloaded and rpm2cpio gets registered/installed, but the perl script (rpm2cpio) runs and seems to do nothing at all... it just takes up memory and cpu... any one else see this happen? Is there a 'better' way to get netscape running? Nick Maniscalco nmanisca@vt.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 21 13:58: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com (ha1.rdc1.sdca.home.com [24.0.3.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75DB37B94D for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:58:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from craig-burgess@home.net) Received: from home.net ([24.0.178.21]) by mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000321215757.EQTD14303.mail.rdc1.sdca.home.com@home.net>; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:57:57 -0800 Message-ID: <38D7F13C.D23A2AE1@home.net> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:01:32 -0800 From: Craig Burgess X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: building X fails in 4.0-STABLE (3/20) References: <38D7CB7C.2DD64958@home.net> <20000321130145.A40728@panzer.kdm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Kenneth D. Merry" wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 11:20:28 -0800, Craig Burgess wrote: > > CVSUP'd on 3/20 and built from ports as follows: > > > > xf86_PCI.c:518: sys/pci_ioctl.h: No such file or directory > It looks like the port may be out of date -- it should be using > sys/pciio.h, not pci_ioctl.h. Could be. It's quite far beyond me. However, if I would expect to find /usr/ports/x11/XFree86/work/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/common_hw/sys/ there's a problem as there is no directory under .../common_hw/ Should there be? craig To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 21 13:58:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265E137B6D5 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:58:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@d60-024.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.24]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA73497; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:58:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA77370; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:58:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:58:40 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: nm Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: success with osf1_base port? Message-ID: <20000321135840.A77352@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <3.0.32.20000321163812.04d20a40@mail.vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20000321163812.04d20a40@mail.vt.edu>; from nmanisca@vt.edu on Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 04:38:12PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 04:38:12PM -0500, nm wrote: > runs and seems to do nothing at all... it just takes > up memory and cpu... any one else see this happen? Be patient. It does take a while, even on my 533MHz box. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 21 13:59:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20F937BB32 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 13:59:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15261; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:59:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA05689; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:59:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:59:01 -0500 (EST) To: nm Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: success with osf1_base port? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20000321163812.04d20a40@mail.vt.edu> References: <3.0.32.20000321163812.04d20a40@mail.vt.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14551.61032.211749.318124@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org nm writes: > Anyone have success with the osf1_base port on > 4.0-RELEASE? > > the netscape rpm gets downloaded and rpm2cpio gets > registered/installed, but the perl script (rpm2cpio) > runs and seems to do nothing at all... it just takes > up memory and cpu... any one else see this happen? > > Is there a 'better' way to get netscape running? It actually works, assuming you have sufficent patience. The rpm2cpio that's part of the rpm package runs *much* quicker. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 21 14: 1:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (mg130-183.ricochet.net [204.179.130.183]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E28B37BBB3 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:01:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01085; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:03:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200003212203.OAA01085@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Craig Burgess Cc: "Kenneth D. Merry" , FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: building X fails in 4.0-STABLE (3/20) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:01:32 PST." <38D7F13C.D23A2AE1@home.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:03:45 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Your port is out of date; I fixed this ages ago. > "Kenneth D. Merry" wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 11:20:28 -0800, Craig Burgess wrote: > > > CVSUP'd on 3/20 and built from ports as follows: > > > > > > xf86_PCI.c:518: sys/pci_ioctl.h: No such file or directory > > > It looks like the port may be out of date -- it should be using > > sys/pciio.h, not pci_ioctl.h. > > Could be. It's quite far beyond me. However, if I would expect to find > /usr/ports/x11/XFree86/work/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/common_hw/sys/ > there's a problem as there is no directory under .../common_hw/ Should > there be? > > craig > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 21 14: 3:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9AE37BBB8 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:03:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nmanisca@vt.edu) Received: from mail.vt.edu (gkar.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.40]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03966 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:03:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from dog ([198.82.106.223]) by gkar.cc.vt.edu (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with SMTP id <0FRS00K6JL9QW2@gkar.cc.vt.edu> for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:03:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:02:40 -0500 From: nm Subject: Re: success with osf1_base port? X-Sender: nmanisca@mail.vt.edu To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <3.0.32.20000321170240.04d2a100@mail.vt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 04:59 PM 3/21/00 -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > >nm writes: > > Anyone have success with the osf1_base port on > > 4.0-RELEASE? > > > > the netscape rpm gets downloaded and rpm2cpio gets > > registered/installed, but the perl script (rpm2cpio) > > runs and seems to do nothing at all... it just takes > > up memory and cpu... any one else see this happen? > > > > Is there a 'better' way to get netscape running? > >It actually works, assuming you have sufficent patience. > >The rpm2cpio that's part of the rpm package runs *much* quicker. Thanks for the quick replies! Hmm... well I guess I will just let it run... I will time it too Nick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 21 17:39: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6ABB37BE15 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:39:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nmanisca@vt.edu) Received: from mail.vt.edu (gkar.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.40]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03522 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:38:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from dog ([198.82.106.223]) by gkar.cc.vt.edu (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with SMTP id <0FRS00EIRV8YQU@gkar.cc.vt.edu> for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:38:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:38:12 -0500 From: nm Subject: woohoo X-Sender: nmanisca@mail.vt.edu To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Message-id: <3.0.32.20000321203811.04cff3c0@mail.vt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks go out to Andrew Gallatin and David O'Brien for the patience reminder while installing osf1_base. After 40 minutes of rpm2cpio'ing it was finished. Phew... I now have: a stable 24-bit X display... a nice mp3 player (xmms)... a good web browser (netscape)... Thanks! I LOVE this OS! Nick Maniscalco nmanisca@vt.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 21 20:32:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F59737B920 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:32:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: (qmail 28172 invoked by alias); 22 Mar 2000 04:32:04 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 28161 invoked by uid 0); 22 Mar 2000 04:32:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.cybcon.com) (63.227.213.90) by ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 22 Mar 2000 04:32:04 -0000 Content-Length: 764 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:32:03 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: bwoods2@uswest.net From: William Woods To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Alpha start up..... Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a small dns and mail server for my home lan, it is running on a DEC Alpha 200 4/233. Ocassionally, we get a power spike around here which shuts off the syustem for a second, unfurtunately, it being a Alpha, it comes back up and sits at the boot>>> prompt.....fine If I am here to boot dka0, but If I am not, well, SOL. Is there anywah to automate that so it just reboots and doesnt sit at the boot prompt.... ---------------------------------- E-Mail: bwoods2@uswest.net Date: 21-Mar-00 Time: 20:29:43l ---------------------------------- NOTICE TO BULK E-MAILERS: Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, 227, and all unsolicited commercial e-mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 US To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 21 20:44:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from future.kissswiss.com (future.kissswiss.com [194.209.230.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6882D37C032 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:44:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@knienieder.com) Received: (qmail 5534 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2000 05:44:29 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO knienieder.com) (knie@192.168.1.199) by 192.168.1.41 with SMTP; 22 Mar 2000 05:44:29 +0100 Message-ID: <38D84FA5.AF35226B@knienieder.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 05:44:22 +0100 From: Tom Knienieder X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; OpenBSD 2.6 i386) X-Accept-Language: de-AT, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bwoods2@uswest.net Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha start up..... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org William Woods wrote: > > I have a small dns and mail server for my home lan, it is running on a DEC > Alpha 200 4/233. Ocassionally, we get a power spike around here which shuts off > the syustem for a second, unfurtunately, it being a Alpha, it comes back up and > sits at the boot>>> prompt.....fine If I am here to boot dka0, but If I am not, > well, SOL. Is there anywah to automate that so it just reboots and doesnt sit > at the boot prompt.... i guess its set boot_action boot in the srm .... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 21 20:52:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CEF37BFA4 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:52:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@d60-024.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.24]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA78215; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:52:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id UAA82801; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:52:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:52:34 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: nm Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: woohoo Message-ID: <20000321205234.A81118@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <3.0.32.20000321203811.04cff3c0@mail.vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20000321203811.04cff3c0@mail.vt.edu>; from nmanisca@vt.edu on Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 08:38:12PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 08:38:12PM -0500, nm wrote: > I now have: > > a stable 24-bit X display... > a nice mp3 player (xmms)... > a good web browser (netscape)... Don't forget there is now Acrobat Reader for FreeBSD/Alpha too. :-) (pairs well with Netscape) -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 21 20:58:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from future.kissswiss.com (future.kissswiss.com [194.209.230.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4B05837BC77 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 20:58:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@knienieder.com) Received: (qmail 19719 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2000 05:58:49 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO knienieder.com) (knie@192.168.1.199) by 192.168.1.41 with SMTP; 22 Mar 2000 05:58:49 +0100 Message-ID: <38D85301.6DE96F45@knienieder.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 05:58:42 +0100 From: Tom Knienieder X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; OpenBSD 2.6 i386) X-Accept-Language: de-AT, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bwoods2@uswest.net Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha start up..... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org William Woods wrote: > > Nada..... > ermn ... set auto_action reboot To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 21 22:28:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from account.abs.net (account.abs.net [207.114.5.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A74C37C08E; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:28:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from howardl@account.abs.net) Received: (from howardl@localhost) by account.abs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3+RBL+DUL+RSS+ORBS) id BAA97796; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 01:28:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from howardl) From: Howard Leadmon Message-Id: <200003220628.BAA97796@account.abs.net> Subject: CVS Trouble, even under 4.0-RELEASE (alpha) HELP! To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 01:28:34 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL72 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Everyone, I really thought my problems with CVS were first with going from a -CURRENT version to the -RELEASE or -STABLE code, but I can see I am now wrong. The part about this all is that I used to do my CVS updates under 3.4 and 4.0-CURRENT just fine, then about a week before it was all released it seems like everything fell apart, and running a cvsup and make world now gives me a trashed and barely operational server. To try and debug this, I setup another DEC Alpha machine, and then loaded the actual 4.0-RELEASE from ftp.freebsd.org, and the machine came up just fine. I then setup the cvs configs (I will include them below) and went on to update my machine from 4.0-RELEASE to 4.0-STABLE (only a few days have passed, so should not be any big deal). After the cvsup, I then built a new kernel and all was fine, loaded it, rebooted, and all was happy. I then went on and did a 'make buildworld' which when done I performed a 'make installworld', and again so far all seemed good. I then rebooted the machine and after booting I then get some weird syslog messages on the console that show no information, this though seemed like a minor inconvenience. Doing a 'uname -a' showed me that yes I am at 4.0-STABLE and the update seemed successful. Now for where the problems start, I went back to my sources and tried to again build a new kernel. I did a 'make clean' and then followed it by running a 'make depend', this time I get: # make depend cc -c -O2 -pipe -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf -mno-fp-regs -Wa,-mev56 ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c In file included from ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c:43: ../../sys/systm.h:331: invalid #-line In file included from ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c:45, from ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c:43: ../../sys/proc.h:47: invalid #-line In file included from ../../sys/signal.h:245, from ../../sys/proc.h:50, from ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c:43: ../../sys/ucontext.h:34: invalid #-line ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c:44: #-lines for entering and leaving files don't match In file included from ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c:50: ../../sys/socket.h:232: invalid #-line In file included from ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c:51: ../../sys/resource.h:101: invalid #-line ../../sys/resource.h:123: invalid #-line In file included from ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c:52: ../../sys/resourcevar.h:98: invalid #-line In file included from ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c:59, from ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c:52: ../../vm/vm_map.h:380: invalid #-line In file included from ../../netinet/in.h:446, from ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c:62, from ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c:59, from ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c:52: ../../netinet6/in6.h:453: invalid #-line In file included from ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c:65, from ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c:59, from ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c:52: ../../nfs/nfs.h:728: invalid #-line *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/compile/ALPHA. OUCH! So I thought let's see how bad another attempt at doing running a 'make buildworld' fails, and what do I get: # make buildworld -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree -------------------------------------------------------------- rm -rf /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/bin mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/lib/compat/aout mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/games mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/libdata/ldscripts mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/libexec/elf mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/sbin mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/share/misc mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include/arpa mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include/g++/std mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include/objc mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include/protocols mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include/readline mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include/rpc mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include/rpcsvc mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include/openssl mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include/security mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include/ss ln -sf /usr/src/sys /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/sys -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 1: bootstrap tools -------------------------------------------------------------- cd /usr/src; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/usr/src/alpha DESTDIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/alpha INSTALL="sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh" MACHINE_ARCH=alpha TOOLS_PREFIX=/usr/obj/usr/src/alpha PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin make -f Makefile.inc1 -DNOMAN -DNOINFO -DNOHTML bootstrap-tools cd /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile; make obj; make depend; make all; make install /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/src/games/fortune/strfile created for /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c cd /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile; make _EXTRADEPEND echo strfile: /usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/lib/libc.a >> .depend cc -O2 -pipe -Wall -I/usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include -c /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c In file included from /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c:56: /usr/include/stdlib.h:182: invalid #-line In file included from /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c:58, from /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c:56: /usr/include/string.h:98: invalid #-line *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. As you can see, same basic problem, it's upset about files that seem to have the #'s in them. The above machine was loaded from the default release code on ftp.freebsd.org, and only changes were that I added the binary packages of cvsup-bin and a few shells, so really a stock Alpha with FBSD 4.0 on it. If I cvsup my Intel boxes, they all seem fine, and I used to be able to update my Alpha, but something happened a week or two before the RELEASE version of 4.0 came out that broke everything for me. I have reloaded several of my alpha's, and this test machine at least 4 different times just to test if it would blow up each time, and at what point it did. Every time, it ends up in this shape, and is basically an unusable machine as I would be unable to ever apply any kernel patches or updates, and any security fixes that wander down the road. I am at a total loss as to what I am doing wrong here, and what changed that caused what used to work for me to break so badly. If anyone has any clues, or thinks they can help me figure this out please let me know, as right now I have about a half dozen Alpha boxes that I can't really use FBSD on, or at least not anything but the most basic default load. Finally here is what I use to cvsup, if there is something wrong with what I am doing hopefully someone can set me on the right path: *default tag=RELENG_4 *default host=cvsup6.FreeBSD.org *default prefix=/usr *default base=/usr/local/etc/cvs/source *default release=cvs delete use-rel-suffix src-all cvs-crypto I will look forward to any help someone can offer, and hopefully I can get my Alpha's back on the right track like I have working fine with my Intel's.. --- Howard Leadmon - howardl@abs.net - http://www.abs.net ABSnet Internet Services - Phone: 410-361-8160 - FAX: 410-361-8162 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 21 22:59:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125EC37C106 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:59:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@d60-024.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.24]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA79331 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:59:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id WAA10477 for alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:59:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:59:39 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: (FWD) cvs commit: ports/misc/dnetc Makefile ports/misc/dnetc/files md5 Message-ID: <20000321225939.A10425@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Forwarded message from "David E. O'Brien" ----- Subject: cvs commit: ports/misc/dnetc Makefile ports/misc/dnetc/files md5 Log: Something for all the 64-bit based conspiracy theorists and code hackers out there. ----- End forwarded message ----- In English, we now have a dnetc client for FreeBSD/Alpha. To start off the penis waving: EB164 Digital AlphaPC 164SX 533 MHz, 531MHz CPU: PCA56 (21164PC) major=9 minor=2 extensions=0x1 $ dnetc -benchmark [Mar 22 06:42:54 UTC] Benchmark for RC5 core #0 (axp bmeyer) 0.00:00:16.00 [720,521.24 keys/sec] [Mar 22 06:43:30 UTC] Benchmark for DES core #0 (dworz/amazing) 0.00:00:16.17 [7,648,092.70 keys/sec] [Mar 22 06:44:07 UTC] Benchmark for OGR core #0 (GARSP 5.13) 0.00:00:16.41 [1,867,839.03 nodes/sec] [Mar 22 06:44:07 UTC] Automatic processor type detection found an Alpha EV5.6 (21164PC) processor. [Mar 22 06:44:07 UTC] CSC: Running micro-bench to select fastest core... [Mar 22 06:44:46 UTC] CSC: using core #0 (6 bit - inline). [Mar 22 06:45:24 UTC] Benchmark for CSC core #0 (6 bit - inline) 0.00:00:17.01 [739,554.63 keys/sec] -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 22 0:31:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from balu.sch.bme.hu (balu.sch.bme.hu [152.66.224.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 722D537B7B7 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 00:31:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from frts@simba.sch.bme.hu) Received: from simba.sch.bme.hu (simba.sch.bme.hu [152.66.227.11]) by balu.sch.bme.hu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA21458 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:31:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost by simba.sch.bme.hu (8.8.8/1.1.22.3/07Jun99-0249PM) id JAA0000014549; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:32:35 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:32:35 +0100 (MET) From: Gyenes Istvan To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: DE205 problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear All, Can somebody help me how to configure the de205 ether card under FreeBSD? I'd like to use this card with my AXPpci33 (Noname), but the kernel doesn't recognise it. What is the correct config for this card? TIA, Istvan ps: I used the card under NetBSD. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 22 7:19:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5225237B56B; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:19:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01720; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:19:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA07628; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:18:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:18:43 -0500 (EST) To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: (FWD) cvs commit: ports/misc/dnetc Makefile ports/misc/dnetc/files md5 In-Reply-To: <20000321225939.A10425@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <20000321225939.A10425@dragon.nuxi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14552.57018.846727.805045@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien writes: > > In English, we now have a dnetc client for FreeBSD/Alpha. > > To start off the penis waving: > EB164 > Digital AlphaPC 164SX 533 MHz, 531MHz > CPU: PCA56 (21164PC) major=9 minor=2 extensions=0x1 > > $ dnetc -benchmark > [Mar 22 06:42:54 UTC] Benchmark for RC5 core #0 (axp bmeyer) > 0.00:00:16.00 [720,521.24 keys/sec] > [Mar 22 06:43:30 UTC] Benchmark for DES core #0 (dworz/amazing) > 0.00:00:16.17 [7,648,092.70 keys/sec] > [Mar 22 06:44:07 UTC] Benchmark for OGR core #0 (GARSP 5.13) > 0.00:00:16.41 [1,867,839.03 nodes/sec] > [Mar 22 06:44:07 UTC] Automatic processor type detection found > an Alpha EV5.6 (21164PC) processor. > [Mar 22 06:44:07 UTC] CSC: Running micro-bench to select fastest core... > [Mar 22 06:44:46 UTC] CSC: using core #0 (6 bit - inline). > [Mar 22 06:45:24 UTC] Benchmark for CSC core #0 (6 bit - inline) > 0.00:00:17.01 [739,554.63 keys/sec] To continue it: XP1000, 500MHz 21264, 4MB L2 PU: EV6 (21264) major=8 minor=3 extensions=0x303 [Mar 22 14:53:26 UTC] Benchmark for RC5 core #0 (axp bmeyer) 0.00:00:16.03 [980,725.50 keys/sec] [Mar 22 14:53:44 UTC] Benchmark for DES core #0 (dworz/amazing) 0.00:00:16.09 [10,423,947.94 keys/sec] [Mar 22 14:54:03 UTC] Benchmark for OGR core #0 (GARSP 5.13) 0.00:00:16.35 [2,838,887.03 nodes/sec] [Mar 22 14:54:03 UTC] Automatic processor type detection found an Alpha EV6 (21264) processor. [Mar 22 14:54:03 UTC] CSC: Running micro-bench to select fastest core... [Mar 22 14:54:23 UTC] CSC: using core #0 (6 bit - inline). [Mar 22 14:54:41 UTC] Benchmark for CSC core #0 (6 bit - inline) 0.00:00:16.10 [2,603,881.53 keys/sec] This is a hair faster in every catagory except the CSC core than a 600MHz PC164LX (ev56, 2MB L3). In that last catagory, the 164lx gets only [1,686,321.94 keys/sec] Cheers, Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 22 7:31: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D7337BA53; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:31:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02106; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:31:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA07654; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:30:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:30:32 -0500 (EST) To: Howard Leadmon Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Compiler problems with -O2 (was Re: CVS Trouble, even under 4.0-RELEASE (alpha) HELP!) In-Reply-To: <200003220628.BAA97796@account.abs.net> References: <200003220628.BAA97796@account.abs.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14552.58589.119082.742615@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Get rid of -O2 in /etc/make.conf; comment out the CFLAGS line. You should NEVER, EVER build _anything_ with -O2 on an alpha. The compiler is very fragile and has been known to do odd things when compiling -O2. I'm starting to think that any optimizations other than -O should probably be disabled in the compiler to keep people from blowing their feet off like you've just done. I'd suggest re-loading the machine from the cd at this point, or building a world on another machine which has a good world & doing a make installworld via NFS mounts. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 22 12: 3:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from account.abs.net (account.abs.net [207.114.5.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C00BD37BAAD; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:03:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from howardl@account.abs.net) Received: (from howardl@localhost) by account.abs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3+RBL+DUL+RSS+ORBS) id PAA51043; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:03:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from howardl) From: Howard Leadmon Message-Id: <200003222003.PAA51043@account.abs.net> Subject: Re: Compiler problems with -O2 (was Re: CVS Trouble, even under 4.0-RELEASE (alpha) HELP!) In-Reply-To: <14552.58589.119082.742615@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> from Andrew Gallatin at "Mar 22, 2000 10:30:32 am" To: Andrew Gallatin Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:03:09 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL72 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Actually I have several Alpha's, and one I have to reload due to this, so I will give this a try on the other machine and will let you know if I have good success with it. If this all works, then I agree with you that we want to avoid, or at least note the problem with -O2 as I have been using that when making software on my Intel machines for a long time, so just assumed it was OK to do the same on the Alpha.. > Get rid of -O2 in /etc/make.conf; comment out the CFLAGS line. You > should NEVER, EVER build _anything_ with -O2 on an alpha. The > compiler is very fragile and has been known to do odd things when > compiling -O2. I'm starting to think that any optimizations other > than -O should probably be disabled in the compiler to keep people > from blowing their feet off like you've just done. > > I'd suggest re-loading the machine from the cd at this point, or > building a world on another machine which has a good world & doing a > make installworld via NFS mounts. > > Drew > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin > Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu > Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 > --- Howard Leadmon - howardl@abs.net - http://www.abs.net ABSnet Internet Services - Phone: 410-361-8160 - FAX: 410-361-8162 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 22 14:34:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B8F37C272; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:34:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@d60-024.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.24]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA41431; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:34:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA97436; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:09:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:09:01 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Howard Leadmon Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compiler problems with -O2 (was Re: CVS Trouble, even under 4.0-RELEASE (alpha) HELP!) Message-ID: <20000322130901.A97411@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <14552.58589.119082.742615@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <200003222003.PAA51043@account.abs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200003222003.PAA51043@account.abs.net>; from howardl@account.abs.net on Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 03:03:09PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 03:03:09PM -0500, Howard Leadmon wrote: > want to avoid, or at least note the problem with -O2 as I have been using > that when making software on my Intel machines for a long time, so just > assumed it was OK to do the same on the Alpha.. It isn't officially OK from the perspective of the FreeBSD Project. "-O2" has been the cause of problems on the i386 arch too. Thus my constant yelling about it that nobody pays attention to. I'm on the virge of turning off "-O2" on both Alpha and i386. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 22 14:42:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from account.abs.net (account.abs.net [207.114.5.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BC237B6A8; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:42:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from howardl@account.abs.net) Received: (from howardl@localhost) by account.abs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3+RBL+DUL+RSS+ORBS) id RAA61811; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:42:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from howardl) From: Howard Leadmon Message-Id: <200003222242.RAA61811@account.abs.net> Subject: Re: Compiler problems with -O2 (was Re: CVS Trouble, even under 4.0-RELEASE (alpha) HELP!) In-Reply-To: <20000322130901.A97411@dragon.nuxi.com> from "David O'Brien" at "Mar 22, 2000 01:09:01 pm" To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:42:27 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL72 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > want to avoid, or at least note the problem with -O2 as I have been using > > that when making software on my Intel machines for a long time, so just > > assumed it was OK to do the same on the Alpha.. > > It isn't officially OK from the perspective of the FreeBSD Project. "-O2" > has been the cause of problems on the i386 arch too. Thus my constant > yelling about it that nobody pays attention to. > > I'm on the virge of turning off "-O2" on both Alpha and i386. > > -- > -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) Well I can see your point, one would have thought as the compilers have evolved stuff like this would have been fixed and working OK, so much for that thought. If I am not the only of-the-wall person who has made this mistake, maybe at a minimum a note should be in the various config files, or at least in the notes stating that it's strongly advised one not use the -O2 flag while compiling the OS, as it can cause things to break. Guess I just got lucky on the Intel boxes, so live and learn. FYI, I am currently recompiling 4.0-STABLE on one of my Alpha's, and guess in a few hours I'll see if all works OK after an installworld and a quick reboot.. :) --- Howard Leadmon - howardl@abs.net - http://www.abs.net ABSnet Internet Services - Phone: 410-361-8160 - FAX: 410-361-8162 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 22 14:42:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B7937C539; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:42:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13386; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA08255; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:42:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:42:03 -0500 (EST) To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Howard Leadmon , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compiler problems with -O2 (was Re: CVS Trouble, even under 4.0-RELEASE (alpha) HELP!) In-Reply-To: <20000322130901.A97411@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <14552.58589.119082.742615@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <200003222003.PAA51043@account.abs.net> <20000322130901.A97411@dragon.nuxi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14553.19348.115781.273817@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien writes: > On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 03:03:09PM -0500, Howard Leadmon wrote: > > want to avoid, or at least note the problem with -O2 as I have been using > > that when making software on my Intel machines for a long time, so just > > assumed it was OK to do the same on the Alpha.. > > It isn't officially OK from the perspective of the FreeBSD Project. "-O2" > has been the cause of problems on the i386 arch too. Thus my constant > yelling about it that nobody pays attention to. > > I'm on the virge of turning off "-O2" on both Alpha and i386. You certainly have my vote. I take it the O2 bugs are not unique to us, but rather they are generic across all OSes that gcc version 2.95.2 runs on? Do the gcc people know these problems exist? Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 22 15:44:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from trinity.skynet.be (trinity.skynet.be [195.238.2.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3514F37C2DE; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:44:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [194.78.238.239] (dialup1071.brussels2.skynet.be [194.78.238.239]) by trinity.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E520B180BC; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:44:12 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000322130901.A97411@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <14552.58589.119082.742615@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <200003222003.PAA51043@account.abs.net> <20000322130901.A97411@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:16:43 +0100 To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, Howard Leadmon From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: Compiler problems with -O2 (was Re: CVS Trouble, even under 4.0-RELEASE (alpha) HELP!) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 1:09 PM -0800 2000/3/22, David O'Brien wrote: > I'm on the virge of turning off "-O2" on both Alpha and i386. Cool! Can I put in -O39696943125454932 and you'll save me from myself on that, too? ;-) Seriously, I have to wonder why people can't take the recommendation that you should use nothing more than -O, and that anything more is only likely to increase your probability of crashing, toasting the system, etc.... I'm sorry, at best here we're talking a few tenths of a percentage point of increased speed (if that), and maybe a few milliseconds saved -- right? -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 22 16: 6:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C8137C337; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:06:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e2N0U7222431; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:30:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:30:07 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Brad Knowles Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, Howard Leadmon , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compiler problems with -O2 (was Re: CVS Trouble, even under 4.0-RELEASE (alpha) HELP!) Message-ID: <20000322163007.D21029@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <14552.58589.119082.742615@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <200003222003.PAA51043@account.abs.net> <20000322130901.A97411@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from blk@skynet.be on Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 12:16:43AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Brad Knowles [000322 16:15] wrote: > At 1:09 PM -0800 2000/3/22, David O'Brien wrote: > > > I'm on the virge of turning off "-O2" on both Alpha and i386. > > Cool! Can I put in -O39696943125454932 and you'll save me from > myself on that, too? ;-) > > > Seriously, I have to wonder why people can't take the > recommendation that you should use nothing more than -O, and that > anything more is only likely to increase your probability of > crashing, toasting the system, etc.... > > I'm sorry, at best here we're talking a few tenths of a > percentage point of increased speed (if that), and maybe a few > milliseconds saved -- right? Actually the difference between -O and -O2 the times i've looked at the generated code was substantial, but I guess that brings along complexity that still needs to be worked out. :( -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 22 16:46:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from xxx.video-collage.com (xxx.video-collage.com [209.122.149.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744FD37B8A3; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:46:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mi@video-collage.com) X-Relay-IP: ‚  Received: from dufus.video-collage.com (dufus [10.222.222.77]) by xxx.video-collage.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA08116; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:46:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from dufus.video-collage.com (localhost.video-collage.com [127.0.0.1]) by dufus.video-collage.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA79141; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:46:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi@xxx) Message-Id: <200003230046.TAA79141@dufus.video-collage.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:46:19 -0500 (EST) From: mi@video-collage.com, UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS@.SYNTAX-ERROR Reply-To: mi@aldan.algebra.com Subject: benefits of -ON+1 (Re: Compiler problems with -O2 ...) To: Brad Knowles Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, Howard Leadmon , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 23 Mar, Brad Knowles wrote: = I'm sorry, at best here we're talking a few tenths of a = percentage point of increased speed (if that), and maybe a few = milliseconds saved -- right? I have some benchmark results at http://virtual-estates.net/bm/ ... It analyzes archivers (gzip and bzip). Bzip is not as hand-optimized as gzip (which uses asm on i386), and it shows -- -O3 makes it noticeably faster compared to -O, while gzip is faster with -O... -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 22 17:27:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from weeble.dyndns.org (ubppp234-38.dialin.buffalo.edu [128.205.234.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F1737B6BA; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:27:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjm2@earthling.net) Received: from shithead (shithead.weeble.dyndns.org [10.0.0.2]) by weeble.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA32400; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:26:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cjm2@earthling.net) From: "C J Michaels" To: "Brad Knowles" , , "Howard Leadmon" Cc: , Subject: RE: Compiler problems with -O2 (was Re: CVS Trouble, even under 4.0-RELEASE (alpha) HELP!) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:26:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Seriously. I can see adding a warning, but restricting people completely is another story. One of the main reasons I run FreeBSD is the flexability it provides me compared to other operating systems. Even if that's the flexability to shoot myself in the foot. FWIW, I've never had a problem with anything I've compiled with "-O2", but I guess I'm just lucky, eh? -Chris -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Brad Knowles Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 6:17 PM To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG; Howard Leadmon Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Compiler problems with -O2 (was Re: CVS Trouble, even under 4.0-RELEASE (alpha) HELP!) At 1:09 PM -0800 2000/3/22, David O'Brien wrote: > I'm on the virge of turning off "-O2" on both Alpha and i386. Cool! Can I put in -O39696943125454932 and you'll save me from myself on that, too? ;-) Seriously, I have to wonder why people can't take the recommendation that you should use nothing more than -O, and that anything more is only likely to increase your probability of crashing, toasting the system, etc.... I'm sorry, at best here we're talking a few tenths of a percentage point of increased speed (if that), and maybe a few milliseconds saved -- right? -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 22 23: 7: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43CB37BA59; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:06:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA22252; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:06:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200003230706.AAA22252@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Compiler problems with -O2 (was Re: CVS Trouble, even under 4.0-RELEASE (alpha) HELP!) In-Reply-To: <20000322163007.D21029@fw.wintelcom.net> from Alfred Perlstein at "Mar 22, 0 04:30:07 pm" To: bright@wintelcom.net (Alfred Perlstein) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:06:51 -0700 (MST) Cc: blk@skynet.be, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, howardl@account.abs.net, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> I'm sorry, at best here we're talking a few tenths of a >> percentage point of increased speed (if that), and maybe a few >> milliseconds saved -- right? > > Actually the difference between -O and -O2 the times i've looked > at the generated code was substantial, but I guess that brings > along complexity that still needs to be worked out. :( FWIW, I've used -O2 on my 2.2.8-STABLE systems with absolutely no (apparent) problems. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 23 0:19:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from screech.weirdnoise.com (209-128-78-198.bayarea.net [209.128.78.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE4137BDE4; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:19:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from edhall@screech.weirdnoise.com) Received: from screech.weirdnoise.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by screech.weirdnoise.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12969; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:20:06 -0800 Message-Id: <200003230820.AAA12969@screech.weirdnoise.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, Howard Leadmon , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, edhall@screech.weirdnoise.com Subject: Re: Compiler problems with -O2 (was Re: CVS Trouble, even under 4.0-RELEASE (alpha) HELP!) In-Reply-To: Message from Andrew Gallatin of "Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:42:03 EST." <14553.19348.115781.273817@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:20:06 -0800 From: Ed Hall Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin writes: : I take it the O2 bugs are not unique to us, but rather they are : generic across all OSes that gcc version 2.95.2 runs on? Do the gcc : people know these problems exist? Just FYI, the Linux kernel is compiled with: -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -mno-fp-regs \ -ffixed-8 -fno-strict-aliasing on Alpha, and seems quite stable with these flags. Yes, this is with GCC 2.95.2. On applications, I've seen gains of about 20% for the higher levels of optimization (for example, CSound processes a particular piece in 79 seconds when compiled with just -O, and 65 seconds with -O2). This is a useful improvement, though one that has to be balanced with the risks. I'm frankly astonished that it has been suggested that higher optimizations be disabled. Blindly compiling the world at -O2 may be folly, but using optimization can be quite useful for selected applications. The EGCS (now GCC) group does respond to bug reports, but they are to be forgiven if they give priority to "C code fragment X yields invalid assembler code Y" over "application Z is somehow broken by option W" reports. Like many free software projects (and some not-so-free ones) GCC has a limited number of developers capable of correcting its ills, so I'm sure some extra legwork on our part will increase the chance that issues will be addressed. I'm no stranger to optimizer bugs. But as often as not, the code I've seen fail under optimization is bad code. Optimization moves locals from the stack into registers (and vice-versa), reorders and removes redundant loads and stores, and does other things that cause bugs to surface. This is why it is a good idea to track down, if possible, the actual cause of the failure. -Ed To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 23 5: 0: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from trinity.skynet.be (trinity.skynet.be [195.238.2.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9AE137BE84; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 04:59:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by trinity.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B221181D1; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:59:10 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000322163007.D21029@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <14552.58589.119082.742615@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <200003222003.PAA51043@account.abs.net> <20000322130901.A97411@dragon.nuxi.com> <20000322163007.D21029@fw.wintelcom.net> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:58:11 +0100 To: Alfred Perlstein From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: Compiler problems with -O2 (was Re: CVS Trouble, even under 4.0-RELEASE (alpha) HELP!) Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, Howard Leadmon , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 4:30 PM -0800 2000/3/22, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > Actually the difference between -O and -O2 the times i've looked > at the generated code was substantial, but I guess that brings > along complexity that still needs to be worked out. :( I don't suppose you know of a web page that summarizes these kinds of results, do you? I'd be curious to see what kinds of optimizations might make what kinds of differences with what kinds of applications, the kernel, etc.... Thanks! -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 23 5: 0:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from trinity.skynet.be (trinity.skynet.be [195.238.2.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 794BD37C496; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 05:00:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by trinity.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1A71813F; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:59:00 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200003230820.AAA12969@screech.weirdnoise.com> References: <200003230820.AAA12969@screech.weirdnoise.com> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:57:06 +0100 To: Ed Hall , Andrew Gallatin From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: Compiler problems with -O2 (was Re: CVS Trouble, even under 4.0-RELEASE (alpha) HELP!) Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, Howard Leadmon , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, edhall@screech.weirdnoise.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:20 AM -0800 2000/3/23, Ed Hall wrote: > I'm frankly astonished that it has been suggested that higher optimizations > be disabled. Blindly compiling the world at -O2 may be folly, but using > optimization can be quite useful for selected applications. In all seriousness, I'd be just as happy to have extremely strong warnings against using anything but -O by default (i.e., setting it in /etc/make.conf or setting "makeoptions" in your kernel configuration), with the caveat that the potential consequences can be exceptionally dire (such as having your entire machine toasted, etc...) if you decide that you want to take the risk and build your kernel with "-O2 -march=pentium" or whatever. People should be able to use whatever optimization they want on userland programs, and if they're stupid enough to aim thermonuclear weapons at their feet when doing the same with the kernel, well then maybe the Darwin effect will help the rest of us get a little more sleep. ;-) -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 23 6:27: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850C437C45B; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 06:26:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id GAA23245; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 06:26:23 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda23243; Thu Mar 23 06:26:15 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.1) id GAA04097; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 06:26:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdNP4095; Thu Mar 23 06:25:51 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id GAA01222; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 06:25:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003231425.GAA01222@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdCH1214; Thu Mar 23 06:24:55 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, Howard Leadmon , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compiler problems with -O2 (was Re: CVS Trouble, even under 4.0-RELEASE (alpha) HELP!) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:42:03 EST." <14553.19348.115781.273817@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 06:24:54 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <14553.19348.115781.273817@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>, Andrew Gallatin writes: > > David O'Brien writes: > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 03:03:09PM -0500, Howard Leadmon wrote: > > > want to avoid, or at least note the problem with -O2 as I have been usin > g > > > that when making software on my Intel machines for a long time, so just > > > assumed it was OK to do the same on the Alpha.. > > > > It isn't officially OK from the perspective of the FreeBSD Project. "-O2" > > has been the cause of problems on the i386 arch too. Thus my constant > > yelling about it that nobody pays attention to. > > > > I'm on the virge of turning off "-O2" on both Alpha and i386. > > You certainly have my vote. > > I take it the O2 bugs are not unique to us, but rather they are > generic across all OSes that gcc version 2.95.2 runs on? Do the gcc > people know these problems exist? How about a compromise? Just print a nasty message every time -O2 is specified: BEWARE: -O2 may cause some applications to break or may cause your system to fail to boot. Be sure you absolutely know what you are doing before using -O2 optimisation. Then enclose it in stars (*) or bangs (!). Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 23 8: 4:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0155037C4B0; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:04:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00523; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA09585; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:04:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:04:22 -0500 (EST) To: Ed Hall Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compiler problems with -O2 (was Re: CVS Trouble, even under 4.0-RELEASE (alpha) HELP!) In-Reply-To: <200003230820.AAA12969@screech.weirdnoise.com> References: <14553.19348.115781.273817@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <200003230820.AAA12969@screech.weirdnoise.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14554.16137.955904.783199@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (-stable and howardl@account.abs.net trimmed from the CC lines) Ed Hall writes: > Andrew Gallatin writes: > : I take it the O2 bugs are not unique to us, but rather they are > : generic across all OSes that gcc version 2.95.2 runs on? Do the gcc > : people know these problems exist? > > Just FYI, the Linux kernel is compiled with: > > -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -mno-fp-regs \ > -ffixed-8 -fno-strict-aliasing > > on Alpha, and seems quite stable with these flags. Yes, this is with > GCC 2.95.2. Any idea if the linux compiler uses the HAIFA optimizer? Perhaps that is our problem. > On applications, I've seen gains of about 20% for the higher levels of > optimization (for example, CSound processes a particular piece in 79 > seconds when compiled with just -O, and 65 seconds with -O2). This is > a useful improvement, though one that has to be balanced with the risks. To me, at least, this is not worth the risk. The Tru64 Compaq C compiler & libraries have sped up a collegue's floating-point intensive matrix manipulation code by a factor of 4. That's the To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 23 8:17:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F54237B59E; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:17:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00824; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA09604; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:17:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:17:06 -0500 (EST) To: Ed Hall Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compiler problems with -O2 (was Re: CVS Trouble, even under 4.0-RELEASE (alpha) HELP!) In-Reply-To: <14554.16137.955904.783199@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> References: <14553.19348.115781.273817@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <200003230820.AAA12969@screech.weirdnoise.com> <14554.16137.955904.783199@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14554.16893.126023.434069@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin writes: > > (-stable and howardl@account.abs.net trimmed from the CC lines) > > Ed Hall writes: > > Andrew Gallatin writes: > > : I take it the O2 bugs are not unique to us, but rather they are > > : generic across all OSes that gcc version 2.95.2 runs on? Do the gcc > > : people know these problems exist? > > > > Just FYI, the Linux kernel is compiled with: > > > > -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -mno-fp-regs \ > > -ffixed-8 -fno-strict-aliasing > > > > on Alpha, and seems quite stable with these flags. Yes, this is with > > GCC 2.95.2. > > Any idea if the linux compiler uses the HAIFA optimizer? Perhaps that > is our problem. > > > On applications, I've seen gains of about 20% for the higher levels of > > optimization (for example, CSound processes a particular piece in 79 > > seconds when compiled with just -O, and 65 seconds with -O2). This is > > a useful improvement, though one that has to be balanced with the risks. > > To me, at least, this is not worth the risk. The Tru64 Compaq C > compiler & libraries have sped up a collegue's floating-point intensive > matrix manipulation code by a factor of 4. That's the [Oops.. Dropped my coffee mug on the right combo of keys to send the message prematurly. To continue:] To me, at least, this is not worth the risk. The Tru64 Compaq C compiler & libraries have sped up a collegue's floating-point intensive matrix manipulation code by a factor of 4. That's the sort of optimization level that I'd be willing to find & fix inherent bugs for, not just a piddling 20%. I really wish Compaq would introduce a native FreeBSD version of their compilers. My main motivation for suggesting temporarily disabling anything more than -O is that there are a lot of innocent people out there that expect the compiler to work. Given that it is horribly broken, they're going to be wasting a lot of time debugging their apps for no good reason. And they're going to be writing off FreeBSD as unstable, etc. I'd like to prevent that. Cheers, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 23 8:20: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05C137B850 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:20:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nmanisca@vt.edu) Received: from mail.vt.edu (gkar.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.40]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27745 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:19:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from dog ([198.82.106.223]) by gkar.cc.vt.edu (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with SMTP id <0FRV008GCUP9R9@gkar.cc.vt.edu> for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:19:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:19:11 -0500 From: nm Subject: kernel config files X-Sender: nmanisca@mail.vt.edu To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Message-id: <3.0.32.20000323111910.033cb1f0@mail.vt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This may have been suggested already. How about having a customized kernel configuration file for each different alpha system. For example, have one for the AS200 that would support the on board sound hardware. This would take some of the guess work out of a custom kernel. Comments? Nick Maniscalco nmanisca@vt.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 23 11:15:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (smtp.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237DB37C52D; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:15:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cscox@stanford.edu) Received: from cardinal0.Stanford.EDU (cardinal0.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.231]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22302; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:15:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:15:27 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Cox To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: Andrew Gallatin , obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, Howard Leadmon , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compiler problems with -O2 (was Re: CVS Trouble, even under 4.0-RELEASE (alpha) HELP!) In-Reply-To: <200003231425.GAA01222@cwsys.cwsent.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would like to add that some of us who do a lot of numerically intensive programming, and that need to squeeze every last available cycle out of our CPU's would really appreciate having -O2 available for userland programs. To me, getting rid of the -O2+ switch would be like outlawing cars because someone had a really bad car accident. Just like driving a car, using gcc and the -O2 switch safely are the USER's responsibility. Having said this though, I do fully support having comments in make.conf, and documentation elsewhere that cautions against compiling a kernel with -O2. CC On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > In message <14553.19348.115781.273817@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>, Andrew > Gallatin > writes: > > > > David O'Brien writes: > > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 03:03:09PM -0500, Howard Leadmon wrote: > > > > want to avoid, or at least note the problem with -O2 as I have been usin > > g > > > > that when making software on my Intel machines for a long time, so just > > > > assumed it was OK to do the same on the Alpha.. > > > > > > It isn't officially OK from the perspective of the FreeBSD Project. "-O2" > > > has been the cause of problems on the i386 arch too. Thus my constant > > > yelling about it that nobody pays attention to. > > > > > > I'm on the virge of turning off "-O2" on both Alpha and i386. > > > > You certainly have my vote. > > > > I take it the O2 bugs are not unique to us, but rather they are > > generic across all OSes that gcc version 2.95.2 runs on? Do the gcc > > people know these problems exist? > > How about a compromise? Just print a nasty message every time -O2 is > specified: > > BEWARE: -O2 may cause some applications to break or may cause your > system to fail to boot. Be sure you absolutely know what you are doing > before using -O2 optimisation. > > Then enclose it in stars (*) or bangs (!). > > > Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 > Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 > Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca > Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA > Province of BC > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 23 11:24: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC2937BE11; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 11:23:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06427; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA09970; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:23:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:23:12 -0500 (EST) To: Charles Cox Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , Andrew Gallatin , obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, Howard Leadmon , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compiler problems with -O2 (was Re: CVS Trouble, even under 4.0-RELEASE (alpha) HELP!) In-Reply-To: References: <200003231425.GAA01222@cwsys.cwsent.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14554.28033.439748.801349@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Charles Cox writes: > I would like to add that some of us who do a lot of numerically intensive > programming, and that need to squeeze every last available cycle out of > our CPU's would really appreciate having -O2 available for userland > programs. To me, getting rid of the -O2+ switch would be like outlawing > cars because someone had a really bad car accident. Just like driving a > car, using gcc and the -O2 switch safely are the USER's > responsibility. Having said this though, I do fully support having > comments in make.conf, and documentation elsewhere that cautions against > compiling a kernel with -O2. > > CC You're missing the point almost entirely. FreeBSD's stock gcc -O2 is demonstrably __broken__ on the alpha. You cannot trust code it outputs. If you want to obtain results as quickly as possible & do not care if they are correct, it would be much faster to read them from /dev/zero. ;-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 23 12:35:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (smtp.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95FC37C54B; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:35:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cscox@stanford.edu) Received: from cardinal0.Stanford.EDU (cardinal0.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.231]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14646; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:35:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:35:35 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Cox To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, Howard Leadmon , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compiler problems with -O2 (was Re: CVS Trouble, even under 4.0-RELEASE (alpha) HELP!) In-Reply-To: <14554.28033.439748.801349@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Charles Cox writes: > > I would like to add that some of us who do a lot of numerically intensive > > programming, and that need to squeeze every last available cycle out of > > our CPU's would really appreciate having -O2 available for userland > > programs. To me, getting rid of the -O2+ switch would be like outlawing > > cars because someone had a really bad car accident. Just like driving a > > car, using gcc and the -O2 switch safely are the USER's > > responsibility. Having said this though, I do fully support having > > comments in make.conf, and documentation elsewhere that cautions against > > compiling a kernel with -O2. > > > > CC > > You're missing the point almost entirely. FreeBSD's stock gcc -O2 is > demonstrably __broken__ on the alpha. You cannot trust code it > outputs. > > If you want to obtain results as quickly as possible & do not care if > they are correct, it would be much faster to read them from > /dev/zero. ;-) > Oh, well that's a little different then, isn't it? CC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 23 12:39:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from samspade.org (blighty.com [206.117.161.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6DF8637C4E5 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:39:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@blighty.com) Received: (qmail 28153 invoked by uid 500); 23 Mar 2000 20:39:33 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Mar 2000 20:39:33 -0000 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:39:32 -0800 (PST) From: To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 4.0 Alpha post-install bootloader problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm using a PC164LX system with an EV56, 128megs RAM, IDE hard drive, ATAPI CDROM and a standard floppy. Two PCI devices - a matrox millenium video adapter and a netgear network adapter - both in 32bit PCI slots. SRM console V5.6-2 I installed 4.0-RELEASE via ftp with no problems, except that "probing for devices" hung. After ctrl-C and resuming the installation everything seemed OK. When booting from the IDE drive I get: >>>boot dqa0 (boot dqa0.0.11.0 -flags 0) block 0 of dqa0.0.11.0 is a valid boot block reading 15 blocks from dqa0.0.11.0 bootstrap code read in base = 200000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 1e00 initializing HWRPB at 2000 initializing page table at 7ff0000 initializing machine state setting affinity to the primary CPU jumping to bootstrap code Loading /boot/loader CPU0: insufficient dynamic memory for a request of -752906529 bytes ...followed by a bunch of system state dumps and a reboot back into the SRM. I'm a freebsd newbie (I've been running Linux on the box up until now), so I'm not familiar with the usual boot sequence. Anyone seen this before, or have any ideas what I should look at? Cheers, Steve -- -- Steve Atkins -- steve@blighty.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 23 13: 3:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from trinity.skynet.be (trinity.skynet.be [195.238.2.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC7037B9B0; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:03:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by trinity.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1E5180F5; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:02:56 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <14554.28033.439748.801349@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> References: <200003231425.GAA01222@cwsys.cwsent.com> <14554.28033.439748.801349@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:59:52 +0100 To: Andrew Gallatin , Charles Cox From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: Compiler problems with -O2 (was Re: CVS Trouble, even under 4.0-RELEASE (alpha) HELP!) Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , Andrew Gallatin , obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, Howard Leadmon , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 2:23 PM -0500 2000/3/23, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > If you want to obtain results as quickly as possible & do not care if > they are correct, it would be much faster to read them from > /dev/zero. ;-) Nah, that would actually be correct if you were looking to find out what the value of zero is. ;-) -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 23 13:34:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69EF137B52A for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:34:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jon@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA40796 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:34:19 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:34:16 +1100 From: Jonathan Michaels Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: woohoo Message-ID: <20000324083414.A40513@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Reply-To: jlm@welearn.com.au References: <3.0.32.20000321203811.04cff3c0@mail.vt.edu> <20000321205234.A81118@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <20000321205234.A81118@dragon.nuxi.com>; from David O'Brien on Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 08:52:34PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org all, hello, i realise that freebsd-alpha is probably not the right place to ask, thier never is a right place for me to ask questionsabout how to make freebsd more usable for disabled people, that is those more impeared than the traditional "disabled, i.e. wheelchair" person. but as itseems most of teh cutting edge thinking about freebsd is beingdone here, i feel i might have a chance to ride the wave of new development and catch some ideas as a by product. otherwise, please accapt my apologies and regrets fro yet again wasting your collective time. i would ask that you read on, please. On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 08:52:34PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 08:38:12PM -0500, nm wrote: > > I now have: > > > > a stable 24-bit X display... > > a nice mp3 player (xmms)... > > a good web browser (netscape)... > > Don't forget there is now Acrobat Reader for FreeBSD/Alpha too. :-) > (pairs well with Netscape) this may seem to be a silly question, but to those with poor eyes, hands, muscle control, erratic hearing, etc .. anyway. what would be required to run things like netscape and acrobat reader on a text only version of the operating system. i'm thinking that a dec alpha would have the horsepower and a matrox (smeting or other) would have the video punch to pull this off. essentially,i'm thinking of havinf atext baseed commandline line oriented operating system interface with the ability to show pictures and play music, sounds, do voice and so on. maybe even streaming video but that might be a bit ambitious. my reasonsfro this are quite simple, i ama disabled person who finds fidling with all guis as frustrating as trying to find a snowball in side hell. while x11 is not bad it is far far from being "disabled freindly". i've asked around for a few years now and most (really) disabled people would like to see this sort of a development. ny "really disabled" i menat people with multiple disabilities that impact on thier eyes, ears hands and feet so thatt hey cannot easily use normal screens, keyboards, mice and software designed around the "traditional" concept of a disabled person, that is one who cannot walk and is confinded to a wheelchair, but otherwise has full and unimpaered usage of thier uper body, arms hands etcetc. your thoughts, brain storming, ideas would be apreciated. if its not apropriate to clutter up this mailinglist, please feel free to email me directly, at the reply-to: header id. with thanks and warm regards jonathan -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 23 13:43:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E0037BA70 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:43:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from nlsys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.125.33] helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12YFNd-0002tN-0X; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:43:01 +0000 Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA85515; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:45:28 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:50:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: nm Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kernel config files In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20000323111910.033cb1f0@mail.vt.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, nm wrote: > This may have been suggested already. > > How about having a customized kernel configuration > file for each different alpha system. For example, > have one for the AS200 that would support the on > board sound hardware. This would take some of > the guess work out of a custom kernel. > > Comments? For 4.1, I expect to be able to read the firmware device descriptions in a similar way to the x86 port's PNPBIOS support. This should automagically detect such things as sound cards etc. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 23 13:50:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from account.abs.net (account.abs.net [207.114.5.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A2B37BA8D; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:50:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from howardl@account.abs.net) Received: (from howardl@localhost) by account.abs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3+RBL+DUL+RSS+ORBS) id QAA55404; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:50:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from howardl) From: Howard Leadmon Message-Id: <200003232150.QAA55404@account.abs.net> Subject: Re: CVS Trouble, even under 4.0-RELEASE (alpha) HELP! In-Reply-To: <200003220628.BAA97796@account.abs.net> from Howard Leadmon at "Mar 22, 2000 01:28:34 am" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:50:29 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL72 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK, here is the followup report to my initial posting.. :) The recommendation that -O2 was breaking things was correct on the Alpha, and I have actually done a complete re-install and make world just using -O and all seems happy now. I know the FBSD project doesn't condone the use of -O2, but from all my experiences with the Intel port this works just fine. Needless to say this is *not* the case with the Alpha port, and I will be sure not to try that again.. :) Anyway many thanks to all that responded trying to help, and hopefully I can now setup a usable Alpha box.. --- Howard Leadmon - howardl@abs.net - http://www.abs.net ABSnet Internet Services - Phone: 410-361-8160 - FAX: 410-361-8162 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 23 16: 8:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE2B37C575; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:08:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p39-dn02kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.104]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) with ESMTP id JAA18231; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:08:00 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <38DAACEF.1F55DF96@newsguy.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:46:55 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charles Cox Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , Andrew Gallatin , obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, Howard Leadmon , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compiler problems with -O2 (was Re: CVS Trouble, even under4.0-RELEASE (alpha) HELP!) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Charles Cox wrote: > > I would like to add that some of us who do a lot of numerically intensive > programming, and that need to squeeze every last available cycle out of > our CPU's would really appreciate having -O2 available for userland > programs. To me, getting rid of the -O2+ switch would be like outlawing > cars because someone had a really bad car accident. Just like driving a > car, using gcc and the -O2 switch safely are the USER's > responsibility. Having said this though, I do fully support having > comments in make.conf, and documentation elsewhere that cautions against > compiling a kernel with -O2. Whatever. Remember, though, that compiling with -O2 *WILL* result in bad code. It's not that someone had an accident. Is that the breaks don't work one time out of five. Just wait your turn... -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@zurichgnomes.bsdconspiracy.net One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, One IP to bring them all and in the zone bind them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 23 18:23: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from anomaly.stupid.net (hc6526ade.dhcp.vt.edu [198.82.106.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A4037B5D2 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:22:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fb@anomaly.stupid.net) Received: (from fb@localhost) by anomaly.stupid.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01186 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:22:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from fb) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:22:46 -0500 From: Nick To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: using ahc instead of ncr Message-ID: <20000323212246.A191@vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org No problem here, just an observation: I have an AS200 (has an onboard 53c810 controller) with an ultra wide scsi disk. I have been using this uw disk on this fast/narrow controller without much difficulty for a while now. I decided to stick to my adaptec 2940uw in the AS200. I connected it to my uw disk. Well as I am sure you all know, SRM doesn't support this controller on my system. So I just put my own kernel on the kern.flp image. Now I have a boot disk for my Alpha ;) Anyway, what I was getting to was that I have noticed that my system seems MUCH faster now than it did before. X and enlightenment loads up in just a couple of seconds and everything is quite speedy. I heard there is a Tekram controller (390F I think?) that has a 53c895 chip set on it. I think that it is supported under SRM but accessed as an 810 only. It seems like this would be a way to still maintain SRM bootability while still being able to uw using the kernel's driver. Has anyone used one of these boards in an AS200? Nick Maniscalco To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 23 20:18:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from anomaly.stupid.net (hc6526ade.dhcp.vt.edu [198.82.106.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CB037B506 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:18:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fb@anomaly.stupid.net) Received: (from fb@localhost) by anomaly.stupid.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00224 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:18:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from fb) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:18:04 -0500 From: Nick To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: strange problem Message-ID: <20000323231804.A193@vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Running 4.0-RELEASE on an AlphaStation 200. As a regular user, if I copy /kernel to say /tmp/ the cp command never returns. Then the system will not service any disk request... It looks like any disk reads just hang... This only seems to happen with /kernel. The kernel that is running in memory is a gz'd one from the boot disk that I am using (it was also stripped before it was gzip'd). Any ideas? Nick Maniscalco To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 23 23: 0: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.du.gtn.com (mail.du.gtn.com [194.77.9.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172BB37BB99 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:00:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely.de [194.231.9.142]) by mail.du.gtn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03286; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:58:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (cicely8.cicely.de [10.1.2.10]) by mail.cicely.de (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA28220; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:59:37 +0100 (CET) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA95710; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:00:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 08:00:28 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: Nick Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: strange problem Message-ID: <20000324080027.B95656@cicely8.cicely.de> References: <20000323231804.A193@vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <20000323231804.A193@vt.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 11:18:04PM -0500, Nick wrote: > Running 4.0-RELEASE on an AlphaStation 200. > As a regular user, if I copy /kernel to say /tmp/ > the cp command never returns. Then the system will > not service any disk request... It looks like any > disk reads just hang... Ich have had Problems with two disks. They showed as timed out while idle afer some time of hanging - usually a drive fault. That happened with both drives and I checked cabeling very often. Another point is that I got proccessor corected errors from time to time. Yesterday I changed my 2940uw to a 895 based card and both problems were gone. This was on a PC164 board using current up to 5.0 from 13th March. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 24 2:20: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D4A37B54B for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 02:20:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id CAA48259; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 02:20:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 02:20:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003241020.CAA48259@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Cc: From: Pascal Pederiva Subject: Re: alpha/15846: Alpha hangs when using ppp/tun - no error Reply-To: Pascal Pederiva Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR alpha/15846; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Pascal Pederiva To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, freebsd@furka.zuo.cpqcorp.net Cc: Subject: Re: alpha/15846: Alpha hangs when using ppp/tun - no error Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:15:41 +0100 Hi, I believe that this can be put to solved - as of FreeBSD 4.0-20000214-CURRENT the problem canot be reproduced anymore. Also the hangs after a couple of days continuous operation disappeared - great job folks ! Thanks, Pascal Pederiva To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 24 9:23:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from screech.weirdnoise.com (209-128-78-198.bayarea.net [209.128.78.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C3437B712; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:23:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from edhall@screech.weirdnoise.com) Received: from screech.weirdnoise.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by screech.weirdnoise.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26268; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:24:10 -0800 Message-Id: <200003241724.JAA26268@screech.weirdnoise.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compiler problems with -O2 (was Re: CVS Trouble, even under 4.0-RELEASE (alpha) HELP!) In-Reply-To: Message from Andrew Gallatin of "Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:23:12 EST." <14554.28033.439748.801349@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:24:10 -0800 From: Ed Hall Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin : : You're missing the point almost entirely. FreeBSD's stock gcc -O2 is : demonstrably __broken__ on the alpha. You cannot trust code it : outputs. Interesting. Do we have a test case we can pass along to the gcc folks? Any idea why the Linux folks seem to have better luck with "gcc -O2"? Do they configure gcc differently? (I'm willing to look into it if no one here knows.) I find it interesting that Howard Leadmon's problem with "gcc -O2" showed up as breakage in gcc itself--code that I would assume would be identical to what Linux uses. Specifically, the function check_newline() in /usr/src/contrib/gcc/c-lex.c would seem to be misbehaving. Linux builds gcc with -O2 by default, yet c-lex.c would seem to compile OK there. How are we different? -Ed To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 24 9:45: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED60E37BD4E for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:45:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07648 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:47:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk) From: Steve Kargl Message-Id: <200003241747.JAA07648@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: hardware questions To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:47:42 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [yes, this is probably -questions material, but it is alpha specific] [yes, I searched the mailinglist archive, but it stops at 15 Feb 00]. I have been tasked by my research group to evaluate and upgrade out computational facilities. Our current computations can consume from 100 to 500 MB of memory and the runtimes can be from 1 day to 1 week for a single computation. These numbers apply to a dual PPRO FreeBSD system and a Digital Unix system. Our future requirements suggest that the consumed memory will easily exceed 1 to 2 GB per calculations. Questions: (1) What alpha platform would be recommended for heavy duty numerical work? (2) What is the maximum amount of memory currently supported under FreeBSD on alpha hardware? (3) Are there any recommended vendors of alpha hardware? MP hardware is acceptable in that I have no reservations about running FreeBSD-bleeding-edge. -- Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 24 9:46:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from anomaly.stupid.net (hc6526ade.dhcp.vt.edu [198.82.106.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B92937BA1C for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:46:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fb@anomaly.stupid.net) Received: (from fb@localhost) by anomaly.stupid.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04978 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:46:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from fb) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:46:17 -0500 From: Nick To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: catch22? Message-ID: <20000324124617.A4533@vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I boot my kernel from a floppy disk. To make it small enough to fit on the disk, I strip it and gzip it. By stripping I lose the ability to gather system stats via top, or vmstat. Is there a way to restore the information lost due to stripping to the already running kernel? Is there a way to create a boot disk with less overhead than the one used for kern.flp? Thanks as always, Nick Maniscalco To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 24 10:29:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from phy.ucsf.EDU (phy.ucsf.edu [128.218.64.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2571D37B96E for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:29:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkleinh@phy.ucsf.EDU) Received: from amadeus.ucsf.edu (dkleinh@amadeus.ucsf.edu [128.218.65.107]) by phy.ucsf.EDU (8.8.6/GSC4.27) with ESMTP id KAA00106 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:29:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by amadeus.ucsf.edu (8.8.6) id KAA09285; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:29:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 10:29:35 -0800 (PST) From: Dirk Kleinhesselink X-Sender: dkleinh@amadeus.ucsf.edu To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: 4.0-RELEASE install error: can't find init Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I cannot install 4.0 RELEASE on my PC164: I burned a copy of the updated ISO image put out the other day. My system has 2 ide disks on the primary IDE channel, an IDE cdrom on the 2nd IDE channel, a dual channel Qlogic 1040 UW SCSI/Ethernet PCI combo card from an AlphaStation 5/266 with an IBM 18GB UW disk on SCSI bus 0 and a Toshiba CD-ROM on SCSI bus 1. IDE disk one has NT on it, IDE disk two has Linux RedHat 6.1 on it -- I've installed SRM and the SCSI disk has OpenVMS on it. The system boots up fine from the 4.0 CD (in the SCSI cdrom). I have to interrupt the boot process and set the parameter: set isp_map_mem=0xff in order for the probing of the SCSI controller to go, as per discussions I had with this group trying to run the 4.0 release candidate. Setting this gets me to the start of the install screen, but then the system halts with a message: can't find my init... going nowhere At which point the system reboots. Someone said there was an option to give the kernel telling it what device to mount for root, but they weren't sure of the syntax - something like: set vfs.mountroot=device I've booted my system off the install CD -- why can't the kernel find the root filesystem ? Or if I need to tell it where to find root for the install, what would I tell it ? Thanks for any help. Dirk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 24 12:16:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B44F37B5C0 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:16:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21351; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:16:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA12460; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:16:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:16:08 -0500 (EST) To: Steve Kargl Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: hardware questions In-Reply-To: <200003241747.JAA07648@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> References: <200003241747.JAA07648@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14555.51797.138155.655566@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Steve Kargl writes: > [yes, this is probably -questions material, but it is alpha specific] > [yes, I searched the mailinglist archive, but it stops at 15 Feb 00]. > > I have been tasked by my research group to evaluate and upgrade > out computational facilities. Our current computations can > consume from 100 to 500 MB of memory and the runtimes can be > from 1 day to 1 week for a single computation. These numbers > apply to a dual PPRO FreeBSD system and a Digital Unix system. > Our future requirements suggest that the consumed memory will > easily exceed 1 to 2 GB per calculations. > > Questions: > > (1) What alpha platform would be recommended for heavy duty > numerical work? One of the DS10, DS10L or XP1000 series would be the most cost effective. > (2) What is the maximum amount of memory currently supported > under FreeBSD on alpha hardware? The FreeBSD supports up to 2GB of ram in the above systems (I think the DS10 will only physically accept 1GB). Support was recently added for the AlphaServer 8x00, where we also support up to 2GB of ram. We support only 1GB on most other systems. This limitation has to do with the fact that we rely on the direct DMA map. > (3) Are there any recommended vendors of alpha hardware? Find your regional Compaq sales rep & make sure you get your full edu discount. Don't use 1-800-DIGITAL if you can avoid it. Sometimes private outfits will have better prices -- we bought 6 DS10s from DCG (www.dcginc.com) and had no complaints. They came with linux, which I wiped when I did the platform support for the DS10. (Its motivational to purchase hardware you know won't work until you write the support for it ;) > MP hardware is acceptable in that I have no reservations about > running FreeBSD-bleeding-edge. You might consider getting a DS20 or DP264 & purchasing a second CPU when MP support becomes available. The UP2000 is cheaper, but it has less memory bandwidth than the genuine DEQ DS20 & DP264. We support 2GB of ram in all these systems. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 24 12:19:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D82D37B78B for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:19:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21470; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:19:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA12529; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:19:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:19:14 -0500 (EST) To: Nick Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: catch22? In-Reply-To: <20000324124617.A4533@vt.edu> References: <20000324124617.A4533@vt.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14555.52502.104954.845351@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nick writes: > I boot my kernel from a floppy disk. To make it small enough to fit on the > disk, I strip it and gzip it. By stripping I lose the ability to gather > system stats via top, or vmstat. > > Is there a way to restore the information lost due to stripping to the already > running kernel? > > Is there a way to create a boot disk with less overhead than the one used > for kern.flp? Have you tried pointing the sysctl kern.bootfile at the unstripped version of the kernel? You might also look at the kvm_mkdb man page. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 24 16:31:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EA137BD71 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:31:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nmanisca@vt.edu) Received: from mail.vt.edu (gkar.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.40]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04069; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:31:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from dog ([198.82.106.223]) by gkar.cc.vt.edu (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with SMTP id <0FRY00L9MC3R14@gkar.cc.vt.edu>; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:31:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:30:17 -0500 From: nm Subject: Re: catch22? X-Sender: nmanisca@mail.vt.edu To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <3.0.32.20000324193016.03404370@mail.vt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 03:19 PM 3/24/00 -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Is there a way to restore the information lost due to stripping to the already > > running kernel? > > > > Is there a way to create a boot disk with less overhead than the one used > > for kern.flp? > >Have you tried pointing the sysctl kern.bootfile at the unstripped >version of the kernel? You might also look at the kvm_mkdb man page. > >Drew sysctl tells me that it already points to the unstripped version (/kernel). I do not seem to have a man page for kvm_mkdb. :( Nick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 24 19:56:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED71637B80B for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:56:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17557; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:56:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id WAA13198; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:55:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:55:40 -0500 (EST) To: nm Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: catch22? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20000324193016.03404370@mail.vt.edu> References: <3.0.32.20000324193016.03404370@mail.vt.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14556.14268.367603.779233@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org nm writes: > > sysctl tells me that it already points to the unstripped version > (/kernel). I do not seem to have a man page for kvm_mkdb. :( Oops. I think it might be related in a way to http://docs.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=678965+0+current/freebsd-current I think the loader now needs the kernel symbols available at boot time. Have you tried making everything you can a kld & loading it after root is mounted? The nics and the filesystems are the easy part. And there is always netbooting... Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Mar 25 13:13:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from minmei.iqm.unicamp.br (minmei.iqm.unicamp.br [143.106.51.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09EB37B891 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 13:13:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from picapau@minmei.iqm.unicamp.br) Received: by minmei.iqm.unicamp.br (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9EA51133A5; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 18:13:42 -0300 (EST) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 18:13:42 -0300 From: Andre Severo To: alpha@freebsd.org Cc: picapau@minmei.iqm.unicamp.br Subject: AlphaServer 1000 freezing during installation Message-ID: <20000325181342.A88910@minmei.iqm.unicamp.br> Reply-To: picapau@minmei.iqm.unicamp.br Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm running into some trouble trying to install release 4.0 on an Alpha Server 1000 (SRM V4.8-65): #1. Sometimes the bootstrapping sequence fails to assess the size of some of my hard disks (da1 & da2), sometimes missing all three of them; 2. When I get to the installantion program i can't get past network setup screen: my box freezes and has to be rebooted (i'm installing via NFS) The following devices are present: pci0 ncr0 < ncr 53a810 fast 10 SCSI > isab0 < intel 82375EB pci-eisa bridge > isa0 < isa bus > pci0 < alliance pm6410 svga controller > fxp0 < intel etherexpress pro 10/100 ethernet > da0 fixed direct access SCSI-2 device da1 fixed direct access SCSI-2 device da2 fixed direct access SCSI-2 device regards, Andre picapau@minmei.iqm.unicamp.br To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Mar 25 14:16:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from anomaly.stupid.net (hc6526ade.dhcp.vt.edu [198.82.106.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC8A37B661 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 14:16:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fb@anomaly.stupid.net) Received: (from fb@localhost) by anomaly.stupid.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05875 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 17:16:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from fb) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 17:16:30 -0500 From: Nick To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: mp3 players Message-ID: <20000325171630.A5851@vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What mp3 players do you all use? xmms looks nice, but I've found that takes up much more cpu than amp and it skips a lot even when I max out the buffering... I'm looking for one that performs better than xmms and has playlist support. I found a good ncurses based one (mp3blaster) but it dumps core when I play certain songs... Nick Maniscalco To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Mar 25 17:38:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140ED37B7D3 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 17:38:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00786; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:38:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id UAA19769; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:37:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 20:37:41 -0500 (EST) To: picapau@minmei.iqm.unicamp.br Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaServer 1000 freezing during installation In-Reply-To: <20000325181342.A88910@minmei.iqm.unicamp.br> References: <20000325181342.A88910@minmei.iqm.unicamp.br> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14557.27001.718759.711008@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andre Severo writes: > Hi, > > I'm running into some trouble trying to install release 4.0 on > an Alpha Server 1000 (SRM V4.8-65): > > #1. Sometimes the bootstrapping sequence fails to > assess the size of some of my hard disks (da1 & da2), > sometimes missing all three of them; > > 2. When I get to the installantion program i can't get past > network setup screen: my box freezes and has to be rebooted > (i'm installing via NFS) I'm afraid I cannot help with the disk problem, but I believe there may be issues with either the Intel Pro100B or its driver on the alpha. Do you have another PCI network card you could use? Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Mar 25 22:56:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from anomaly.stupid.net (hc6526ade.dhcp.vt.edu [198.82.106.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C826037B921 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:56:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fb@anomaly.stupid.net) Received: (from fb@localhost) by anomaly.stupid.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08218; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 01:56:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from fb) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 01:56:30 -0500 From: Nick To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: catch22? Message-ID: <20000326015630.A7725@vt.edu> References: <3.0.32.20000325214523.0340c140@mail.vt.edu> <14557.36116.339772.170363@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <14557.36116.339772.170363@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Sat, Mar 25, 2000 at 11:08:49PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Mar 25, 2000 at 11:08:49PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > nm writes: > > > > The fs's gave me enough room, so now my top works, thanks again :) > > > > Nick > > Cool. Can you post your success story to the mailing list? It might > be good to have it in the archives. > Sure! Here is some info on booting your FreeBSD system with a boot disk. First, I dd'd kern.flp (from /floppies of the FreeBSD distribution) to a floppy. Then mounted it, and removed the stock kernel.gz. Next, I compiled my own kernel and left out some things such as the NFS support and MSDOS fs, and CD9660 support. This was in an effort to cut the size down so that it would fit on the floppy. Now, once the kernel is built, I DID NOT strip it (if you strip it you won't be able to use utils like top). gzip the kernel and place kernel.gz on the floppy (where the previous kernel.gz was located). Next, edit the loader.rc in the boot directory of the floppy. Here is what I used: load /kernel.gz set root=/dev/sd0a autoboot 10 root for me is /dev/sd0a. I am not sure if setting this variable is what tells the kernel where root is, or if it learns this from the -flags passed to the loader from SRM (someone want to correct me here?). umount the disk and you *should* now have a boot disk. Please contact me if you can't get this working. Nick Maniscalco nmanisca@vt.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message