From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 11 10: 5:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in (theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.71.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2420D37C850 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 10:05:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in) Received: (qmail 80641 invoked by uid 211); 11 Jun 2000 17:04:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:34:59 +0530 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: scalable logo Message-ID: <20000611223459.A80576@physics.iisc.ernet.in> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 X-Question: Do you enjoy reading pointless headers? Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In response to some mails on -advocacy, I made a scalable postscript version of beastie. You can download it from http://theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in/rsidd/daemon.eps Also available: http://theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in/rsidd/daemon.sk (Sketch file) http://theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in/rsidd/daemon.png (PNG, very large image) http://theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in/rsidd/daemonsmall.png (PNG, much smaller image) If anyone takes the sketch version and develops it further, please let me know. (And if you don't know what it is, see /usr/ports/graphics/sketch and http://sketch.sourceforge.net -- it's been a lifesaver to me recently for making figures.) Also, I haven't put in any copyright information or anything like that, if you use it in any way it's up to you to do whatever's necessary (see http://www.mckusick.com/beastie). I already mailed -advocacy. Just out of curiosity, I looked at the httpd logs. The downloads so far came from 49 unique IP addresses; and the OS breakup on these is 28 -- Windows of some kind 15 -- FreeBSD 4 -- Linux 1 -- SunOS 1 -- Wget, unknown platform I'm a bit surprised at the number of windows machines among freebsd advocacy list subscribers -- is it still *that* difficult to avoid windows in the "real world"? Rahul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 11 13:36:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58CD537B7F8 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:36:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r22.bfm.org [216.127.220.118]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:36:59 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000611153602.008bd480@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:36:02 -0500 To: Rahul Siddharthan , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: scalable logo In-Reply-To: <20000611223459.A80576@physics.iisc.ernet.in> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 22:34 11-06-2000 +0530, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: >Also available: > http://theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in/rsidd/daemon.sk > (Sketch file) .sk is a sketch file? Gosh, why did they have to pick on my home country? Not only do I get the impression that 90% of world's warez and cracker sites are in Slovakia, now we are going to look sketchy to everyone... Though the sketch program does look interesting (at least from what I have see on their web site). Too bad I have never figured out how to run X without crashing my system as soon as I move the mouse outside a window. So, for all my GUI stuff, I'm still stuck in Gates Motel. I'll try to get the .eps file (so far, all I get is a server that does not respond, though I can get to your home page without difficulty). At any rate, thanks. Cheers, Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 11 13:43:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5121637B9B8 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:43:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost.nowhere (ppp8490.on.bellglobal.com [207.236.124.154]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25114; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id XAA02782; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:50:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:50:36 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Greg Lehey Cc: Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Punctuation conventions Message-ID: <20000606235036.A2705@mad> References: <006d01bfcc13$1b573c10$2969a0d0@leviathan> <3936A504.9741.9963DB1@localhost> <8h8snk$1irg$1@bigeye.mips.inka.de> <20000603111107.B30249@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <20000603111107.B30249@wantadilla.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Sat, Jun 03, 2000 at 11:11:07AM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jun 03, 2000 at 11:11:07AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > And who introduced the bizarre concept of repeating the opening > > marks at every new paragraph? Just looks wrong. Disagree strongly. I find the repeated set of opening quote marks particularly useful when reading newspaper articles that include long quote sections. One person's quoted opinion could (all-the-more) easily mutate into official printed word if it weren't for the repeated marks. Not that the phrase "official printed word" means much, anyways... :-) > > More to the point, if you expand your horizon a bit, you'll learn > > that every language (or even major national variation) has its own > > typographic conventions. Asking about their point and declaring the > > ones you happen to be used to as the right way is profoundly silly. Sometimes there are advantages and disadvantages to certain conventions. For example, I suspect an objective study would find that langauges that marks sentences with periods and capital letters are faster to read and suffer from fewer miscommunications. -- Signature withheld by request of author. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 11 13:56: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in (theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.71.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F1E3637BA32 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:55:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in) Received: (qmail 81520 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2000 20:55:44 -0000 Received: from theory7.physics.iisc.ernet.in (qmailr@144.16.71.127) by theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in with SMTP; 11 Jun 2000 20:55:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 22874 invoked by uid 211); 11 Jun 2000 20:55:42 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:25:42 +0530 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: scalable logo Message-ID: <20000612022542.A22528@physics.iisc.ernet.in> References: <20000611223459.A80576@physics.iisc.ernet.in> <3.0.6.32.20000611153602.008bd480@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000611153602.008bd480@mail85.pair.com>; from adam@whizkidtech.net on Sun, Jun 11, 2000 at 03:36:02PM -0500 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.14 alpha X-Question: Do you enjoy reading pointless headers? Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org G. Adam Stanislav said on Jun 11, 2000 at 15:36:02: > Though the sketch program does look interesting (at least from what I have > see on their web site). Too bad I have never figured out how to run X > without crashing my system as soon as I move the mouse outside a window. Are you sure you're running X? It sounds more like MS to me... > I'll try to get the .eps file (so far, all I get is a server that does not > respond, though I can get to your home page without difficulty). Seems to be a temporary problem here, I'm having trouble connecting to outside sites too. Try after some time. Also, the png file is pretty big. There is a gzipped version of the eps file, add a .gz to what I sent earlier. R. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 11 14:20: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (sydney.worldwide.lemis.com [192.109.197.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78FC437BA58 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:19:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA05859; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:48:21 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:48:21 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Tim Vanderhoek Cc: Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Punctuation conventions Message-ID: <20000612064821.A5749@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> References: <006d01bfcc13$1b573c10$2969a0d0@leviathan> <3936A504.9741.9963DB1@localhost> <8h8snk$1irg$1@bigeye.mips.inka.de> <20000603111107.B30249@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20000606235036.A2705@mad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000606235036.A2705@mad>; from vanderh@ecf.utoronto.ca on Tue, Jun 06, 2000 at 11:50:36PM -0400 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 6 June 2000 at 23:50:36 -0400, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > On Sat, Jun 03, 2000 at 11:11:07AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: Note that you've lost the attribution here. I didn't write anything of what you quoted below. Greg >>> And who introduced the bizarre concept of repeating the opening >>> marks at every new paragraph? Just looks wrong. > > Disagree strongly. I find the repeated set of opening quote marks > particularly useful when reading newspaper articles that include long > quote sections. One person's quoted opinion could (all-the-more) > easily mutate into official printed word if it weren't for the > repeated marks. > > Not that the phrase "official printed word" means much, anyways... :-) > > >>> More to the point, if you expand your horizon a bit, you'll learn >>> that every language (or even major national variation) has its own >>> typographic conventions. Asking about their point and declaring the >>> ones you happen to be used to as the right way is profoundly silly. > > Sometimes there are advantages and disadvantages to certain > conventions. For example, I suspect an objective study would > find that langauges that marks sentences with periods and capital > letters are faster to read and suffer from fewer miscommunications. -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 11 15:48:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.25.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA93B37C994 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:48:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de) Received: from fettesau.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (stuwopc5.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.209.5]) by mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA19801; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:47:11 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <4.1.20000612002817.02691700@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> X-Sender: ohoyer@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:33:21 +0200 To: Rahul Siddharthan From: Olaf Hoyer Subject: Re: scalable logo /download Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20000611223459.A80576@physics.iisc.ernet.in> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 22:34 11.06.00 +0530, you wrote: >In response to some mails on -advocacy, I made a scalable postscript >version of beastie. You can download it from > >I already mailed -advocacy. Just out of curiosity, I looked at the >httpd logs. The downloads so far came from 49 unique IP addresses; and >the OS breakup on these is > 28 -- Windows of some kind > 15 -- FreeBSD > 4 -- Linux > 1 -- SunOS > 1 -- Wget, unknown platform >I'm a bit surprised at the number of windows machines among freebsd >advocacy list subscribers -- is it still *that* difficult to avoid >windows in the "real world"? Hi! Well, sometimes you do some download from machines at work, or at the university because of the bigger pipes for free... (Ok, dunno the time when the hits were, at sundays this theory is irrelevant...) Also, for some historic reason I still have my mail under Eudora/winblows. (Difficult to migrate, I already discussed it some time ago on other lists. From a technical point of view no big deal, but some real work (some real hours) involved. So I wait till I have lots of spare time (not until 200x, I fear) and then do it) Regards Olaf Hoyer -------- Olaf Hoyer www.nightfire.de mailto:Olaf.Hoyer@nightfire.de FreeBSD- Turning PC's into workstations ICQ:22838075 Liebe und Hass sind nicht blind, aber geblendet vom Feuer, dass sie selber mit sich tragen. (Nietzsche) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 11 17:33: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD8937B525 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:33:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r6.bfm.org [216.127.220.102]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:33:35 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000611193215.008c2b40@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:32:15 -0500 To: Rahul Siddharthan From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: scalable logo Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000612022542.A22528@physics.iisc.ernet.in> References: <3.0.6.32.20000611153602.008bd480@mail85.pair.com> <20000611223459.A80576@physics.iisc.ernet.in> <3.0.6.32.20000611153602.008bd480@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:25 12-06-2000 +0530, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: >> Though the sketch program does look interesting (at least from what I have >> see on their web site). Too bad I have never figured out how to run X >> without crashing my system as soon as I move the mouse outside a window. > >Are you sure you're running X? It sounds more like MS to me... Yes, I'm sure. MS crashes, too, but not that fast. I am assuming X does not like the amount of my RAM: 8 Meg. No problem ever with pure FreeBSD in console mode, but X crashes. Plus, my system, when new, did not come with all the information X setup is asking for . >Seems to be a temporary problem here, I'm having trouble connecting >to outside sites too. Try after some time. Also, the png file is >pretty big. There is a gzipped version of the eps file, add a .gz >to what I sent earlier. Thanks, will do. I'm a PostScript nut (and computer graphics in general), so I cannot wait. :) Cheers, Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 11 18:54:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798AA37B53F for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:54:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt8-216-180-72-41.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.72.41]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1) with ESMTP id e5C1sSG04317 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:54:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA86478 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:21:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <200006120121.UAA86478@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Punctuation conventions In-reply-to: Message from Tim Vanderhoek of "Tue, 06 Jun 2000 23:50:36 EDT." <20000606235036.A2705@mad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:21:14 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tim Vanderhoek writes: > On Sat, Jun 03, 2000 at 11:11:07AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > > > And who introduced the bizarre concept of repeating the opening > > > marks at every new paragraph? Just looks wrong. > > Disagree strongly. I find the repeated set of opening quote marks > particularly useful when reading newspaper articles that include long > quote sections. One person's quoted opinion could (all-the-more) > easily mutate into official printed word if it weren't for the > repeated marks. What really bugs me is the tendancy to open the quote but not bother with the closing quote mark on the paragraph. Then opening again at the start of the next. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 11 23: 7: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in (theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.71.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ABADB37BA87 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:06:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in) Received: (qmail 82672 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2000 06:06:37 -0000 Received: from theory8.physics.iisc.ernet.in (144.16.71.128) by theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in with SMTP; 12 Jun 2000 06:06:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 2930 invoked by uid 211); 12 Jun 2000 05:04:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:34:33 +0530 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: David Kelly Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Punctuation conventions Message-ID: <20000612103433.A2908@physics.iisc.ernet.in> Mail-Followup-To: David Kelly , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200006120121.UAA86478@nospam.hiwaay.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200006120121.UAA86478@nospam.hiwaay.net>; from dkelly@hiwaay.net on Sun, Jun 11, 2000 at 08:21:14PM -0500 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.0.32 i486 X-Question: Do you enjoy reading pointless headers? Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Kelly said on Jun 11, 2000 at 20:21:14: > Tim Vanderhoek writes: > > On Sat, Jun 03, 2000 at 11:11:07AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > > > > > And who introduced the bizarre concept of repeating the opening > > > > marks at every new paragraph? Just looks wrong. > > > > Disagree strongly. I find the repeated set of opening quote marks > > particularly useful when reading newspaper articles that include long > > quote sections. One person's quoted opinion could (all-the-more) > > easily mutate into official printed word if it weren't for the > > repeated marks. > > What really bugs me is the tendancy to open the quote but not bother > with the closing quote mark on the paragraph. Then opening again at the > start of the next. But that would suggest two different people speaking. That's how you normally denote a conversation in books, rather than a "he said/she said" in every paragraph. I think the conventions are fine the way they are. By the way what's the convention on brackets extending across paragraphs? I have seen the same thing done there -- the opening bracket at the beginning of the next paragraph but no closing bracket at the end of the previous paragraph -- it looks extremely odd, though it makes as much sense as the quote convention. Rahul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 11 23:11:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in (theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.71.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D7C4037B6E5 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:11:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in) Received: (qmail 82742 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2000 06:11:08 -0000 Received: from theory8.physics.iisc.ernet.in (144.16.71.128) by theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in with SMTP; 12 Jun 2000 06:11:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 2936 invoked by uid 211); 12 Jun 2000 05:11:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:41:06 +0530 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: scalable logo Message-ID: <20000612104106.B2908@physics.iisc.ernet.in> References: <3.0.6.32.20000611153602.008bd480@mail85.pair.com> <20000611223459.A80576@physics.iisc.ernet.in> <3.0.6.32.20000611153602.008bd480@mail85.pair.com> <20000612022542.A22528@physics.iisc.ernet.in> <3.0.6.32.20000611193215.008c2b40@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000611193215.008c2b40@mail85.pair.com>; from adam@whizkidtech.net on Sun, Jun 11, 2000 at 07:32:15PM -0500 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.0.32 i486 X-Question: Do you enjoy reading pointless headers? Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org G. Adam Stanislav said on Jun 11, 2000 at 19:32:15: > At 02:25 12-06-2000 +0530, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > >> Though the sketch program does look interesting (at least from what I have > >> see on their web site). Too bad I have never figured out how to run X > >> without crashing my system as soon as I move the mouse outside a window. > > > >Are you sure you're running X? It sounds more like MS to me... > > Yes, I'm sure. MS crashes, too, but not that fast. I am assuming X does not > like the amount of my RAM: 8 Meg. No problem ever with pure FreeBSD in Ah. 8 MB is difficult. Even if you can use X I doubt you can run Sketch. I've used X on linux on a 486 with 8 MB, perhaps 3 years ago, I don't think it crashed for the sort of things I was doing but it was *slow*. > Thanks, will do. I'm a PostScript nut (and computer graphics in general), > so I cannot wait. :) Let me know what you think. It's 45 K in size, which I think is reasonable for this kind of stuff, but maybe hand-written postscript could be much reduced. Do you know anything about svg (scalable vector graphics)? I tried exporting it in that format too, but when I load it again all the areas with colour gradients come out black. I don't know whether this is a bug in sketch, or svg only supports flat colours. R. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 12 13:46:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from Astrovan.cstone.net (astrovan.cstone.net [209.145.64.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913BD37B50F for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:46:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from highway@cstone.net) Received: from cstone.net (aylee.mrgoodbucks.com [209.145.93.143]) by Astrovan.cstone.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59789U13500L1350S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:39:29 -0400 Message-ID: <39454C77.4980B4A9@cstone.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:47:51 -0400 From: Sean Michael Whipkey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Business card CDs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.linuxcare.com/bootable_cd/ These are CDs the size of a business card you can boot to run Linux. I'd love to see these for FreeBSD. They also come with those white oval stickers that have a three letter acronym on there (like "OBX") but say "LNX". Those aren't bad - I don't like 'em, personally, but it might be cool to see one that said "BSD". SeanMike -- SeanMike Whipkey - All Around Geek "It must be difficult being such a visionary." "Not really. You just have to drink a lot." http://www.goats.com/archive/index.html?990420 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 12 14:15:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F91637B9E9 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:15:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10755; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:15:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000612151309.04962e50@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:15:03 -0600 To: Sean Michael Whipkey , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Business card CDs In-Reply-To: <39454C77.4980B4A9@cstone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:47 PM 6/12/2000, Sean Michael Whipkey wrote: >http://www.linuxcare.com/bootable_cd/ > >These are CDs the size of a business card you can boot to run Linux. >I'd love to see these for FreeBSD. Not hard to do. Thing is, they cost MORE to make than full-sized CDs, so you might as well give 'em all of the first disc! >They also come with those white oval stickers that have a three letter >acronym on there (like "OBX") but say "LNX". > >Those aren't bad - I don't like 'em, personally, but it might be cool to >see one that said "BSD". They do exist. I bought some that said "BSD" at LinuxWorld in February. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 12 22:53:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from urth.vastmind.org (urth.powersurfr.com [24.108.7.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCA237B704 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:53:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from j@vastmind.org) Received: from urth.powersurfr.com (urth.powersurfr.com [24.108.7.46]) by urth.vastmind.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA35310 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:53:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from j@vastmind.org) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:53:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Jason Spencer To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Business card CDs In-Reply-To: <39454C77.4980B4A9@cstone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Sean Michael Whipkey wrote: > http://www.linuxcare.com/bootable_cd/ > > These are CDs the size of a business card you can boot to run Linux. > I'd love to see these for FreeBSD. > > They also come with those white oval stickers that have a three letter > acronym on there (like "OBX") but say "LNX". > > Those aren't bad - I don't like 'em, personally, but it might be cool to > see one that said "BSD". They exist. Check out thinkgeek.com. I think that's where I saw such beasts. -j. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 13 4:48:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from des.follo.net (des.follo.net [195.204.143.216]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B6237B5B6; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:48:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@yes.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by des.follo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA33725; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:48:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@yes.no) X-Authentication-Warning: des.follo.net: des set sender to des@yes.no using -f To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Mail outage Organization: Yes Interactive Visit-Us-At: http://www.yes.no/ From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 13 Jun 2000 13:48:04 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My regular mail-reading machine suffered a power outage and came back up without sshd, so I haven't been able to read FreeBSD mail since last Wednesday. What's more, I don't have physical access to it and am busy moving house, so it may be a few days before I can read mail again. This affects the following addresses: des@freebsd.org, des@ofug.org, des@flood.ping.uio.no. In the meantime, if there's anything urgent, please contact me at des@yes.no. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@yes.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 13 9:21:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325B437BF8A for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:20:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03373; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:20:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAsaaaJg; Tue Jun 13 09:20:15 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA08063; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:20:43 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200006131620.JAA08063@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: scalable logo /download To: ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (Olaf Hoyer) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:20:43 +0000 (GMT) Cc: rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in (Rahul Siddharthan), freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000612002817.02691700@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> from "Olaf Hoyer" at Jun 12, 2000 12:33:21 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >I'm a bit surprised at the number of windows machines among freebsd > >advocacy list subscribers -- is it still *that* difficult to avoid > >windows in the "real world"? Yes, as a matter of fact, especially if you have to interface to corporate infrastructure. Not a problem for people who don't publish design specifications, I suppose, but still... > Also, for some historic reason I still have my mail under Eudora/winblows. > (Difficult to migrate, I already discussed it some time ago on other lists. > rom a technical point of view no big deal, but some real work (some real > hours) involved. So I wait till I have lots of spare time (not until 200x, > I fear) and then do it) Eudora mailboxes are stored in UNIX mailbox format. Migrating involves ruuning a find/sed script after using something like wsftp to bulk-upload them to your UNIX box. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 13 17:46: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta01-svc.server.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A13D837BF31 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:46:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from parish.my.domain ([62.253.88.172]) by mta01-svc.server.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000614004603.IVFP381.mta01-svc.server.ntlworld.com@parish.my.domain> for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 01:46:03 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02824 for chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 01:46:03 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 01:46:03 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: New ports searching utility Message-ID: <20000614014603.F232@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As a first real programming exercise in perl(1) I wrote a program, called ``sp'', to allow a more selective search of the ports collection. With the number of ports now at ~3500 the number of hits using ``make search'' is often excessive due to its' simplistic "all fields" searching method. It can use all the perl(1)'s regular expressions for pattern matching and you can specify what to search for in each field of the ports records, so you can do things like: sp -x '(textproc|print|www)' -m '(nik|jim)' -r tidy to find all ports in the textproc, print, and www categories that are maintained by Nik Clayton or Jim Mock and have a run dependency on tidy(1). It also tells you how many matching ports it found. If you want to give it a try I put a tarball containing the program and the manpage at: ftp://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/pub/mark/sp/sp.tgz Extract it in a temp directory and copy the program, sp, to /usr/local/bin and the manpage to /usr/share/man/man1. -- Want a lean, mean, computing machine? Get rid of that FAT - install FreeBSD ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 14 13:42:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5600237BB73; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:42:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@bsdunix.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5EKgVp11683; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:42:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: hackers@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: USENIX dinner. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org can people send me email (privately) if they plan on attending an after-hours freebsd dinner. also, if people can help me plan possible times: 7-9 on Tuesday is out for me. Wednesday is all BSD Thursday at 8 is Linux... do we go out instead of hearing what Linus has to say? enclosed is my latest copy of the BOF schedule: PRE-SCHEDULED BIRDS-OF-A-FEATHER SESSIONS SAN DIEGO 2000 ANNUAL CONFERENCE as of June 6, 2000 TUESDAY, JUNE 20, 2000 ====================== 6:00pm - 7:00pm An Update on Standards Nick Stoughton, USENIX Standards Liaison 6:00pm - 8:00pm Active Content: UNIX based protection for a Windows Virus World David Perry, Trend Micro CERT/CC Incident and Vulnerability Update Cory Cohen, CERT/CC 7:00pm - 8:00pm Sendmail Meets Perl Gurusamy Sarathy, ActiveState; Jeff Radice, Sendmail 7:00pm - 9:00pm Workplace Issues for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgendered Sysadmins & Friends Chris Josephes, Onvoy WEDNESDAY, JUNE 21, 2000 ======================== 7:00pm - 8:00pm Automated Backup Integration: Solutions & Ideas Dave Hiechel, Eagle Software NetBSD Charles Hannum, SAGE BOF Peg Schafer, SAGE Executive Committee The GNU BOF Bradley Kuhn, The Free Software Foundation 7:00pm - 9:00pm NAS & SAN: Will the Twain Meet Uresh Vahalia, EMC AFS, Kerberos, and Distributed Infrastructures Stephen Wynne, CMU; Garry Zacheiss, MIT 8:00pm - 9:00pm To GUI or not to GUI: Issues in Firewall Configuration Tools Avishai Wool, Lucent Technologies Gorilla Warfare - Operations Guide to Successful Internet Deployment Suzanne George, AOL Multithreading: Issues in Concurrency Bil Lewis, Lambda Computer Science Open BSD Theo de Raadt, OpenBSD Project 9:00pm - 10:00pm Plan 9/Brazil/Inferno Scott Schwartz, Penn State FreeBSD Jordan Hubbard, BSDI 10:00pm - 11:00pm Berkeley Softare Design, Inc. Paul Borman, BSDI THURSDAY, JUNE 22, 2000 ====================== 8:00pm Linux Linus Torvalds, Transmeta __ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net lynch@unix.sh lynch@blowfi.sh Systems Administrator Rush Networking To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 14 14:31: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BAC37C323; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:31:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@bsdunix.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5ELV2k12147; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:31:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: hackers@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: pricerange for dinner. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Also, does anyone have a prefereed pricerange for dinner? I have one restaurant alreading bidding at 40/plate -Pat __ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net lynch@unix.sh lynch@blowfi.sh Systems Administrator Rush Networking To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 14 15: 4:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D7B37B5F2 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:04:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.3/frmug-2.7/nospam) with UUCP id AAA02499 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:04:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 5752D87AE; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:56:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:56:36 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pricerange for dinner. Message-ID: <20000614235636.A20433@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: chat@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from lynch@bsdunix.net on Wed, Jun 14, 2000 at 05:31:01PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT/ELF AMD-K6/200 & 2x PPro/200 SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Pat Lynch: > Also, does anyone have a prefereed pricerange for dinner? I have one > restaurant alreading bidding at 40/plate Look out, you're not far from the dreaded 50$ limit :) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 5.0-CURRENT #80: Sun Jun 4 22:44:19 CEST 2000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 14 17:42:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B122E37B536; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:42:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt6-216-180-4-70.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.4.70]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) with ESMTP id e5F0ggd18184; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:42:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA64315; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:42:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <200006150042.TAA64315@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Pat Lynch Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pricerange for dinner. In-Reply-To: Message from Pat Lynch of "Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:31:01 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:42:39 -0500 From: David Kelly Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Pat Lynch writes: > Also, does anyone have a prefereed pricerange for dinner? I have one > restaurant alreading bidding at 40/plate Considering the stature of famous and soon-to-be-famous people who will be attending, one should be able to demand more than $40 and dinner for one's presence. :-) -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 14 20:28:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E26337BA3C for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:28:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11902 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:28:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000614212739.04ab0df0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:28:25 -0600 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Another Leibovich article on licensing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2587033,00.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 14 22: 6:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C2137B582 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:06:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@earthlink.net) Received: from pool0566.cvx20-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net (pool1260.cvx20-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.254.240]) by kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01838 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by pool0566.cvx20-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01932 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:02:19 -0700 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: BSDI/FreeBSD Blurb in Magazine Message-ID: <20000614220218.E252@dialin-client.earthlink.net> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There is a little blurb about BSDI and FreeBSD in the midst of an article evaluating commerical UNIXes in June's _Server/Workstation Expert_ magazine (June 2000, Vol. 11, No. 6). A PDF version is available from their website, http://sw.expert.com/news/SE.N1.JUN.00.pdf Seems pretty typical. Says how much potential BSD has, but how far it has to go to get noticed. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@alum.mit.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 14 22:13:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from durango.picus.com (durango.picus.com [209.100.20.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB93E37BC8B for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:13:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@picus.com) Received: from abyss [209.100.22.250] by durango.picus.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A59287900F0; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:11:46 -0400 From: "Troy Settle" To: Subject: Neat... Microsoft hiring FreeBSD System Admins Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:13:23 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.dice.com/DandL/m/microwa.D-007.html I know it's old news that MS uses FreeBSD extensively in it's Hotmail operations. I just think it's neat to see them advertising job openings :) By the way, Dice.com retured 404 matches when searched with 'FreeBSD' as the only keyword. Pretty neat. -Troy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 15 6:21:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (pop3.pioneernet.net [208.240.196.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397D937B81E for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 06:21:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chip@wiegand.org) Received: from wiegand.org [208.194.173.26] by pioneernet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.03) id AA51380C0106; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 06:29:53 -0700 Message-ID: <3948D8AC.E8E4E9B@wiegand.org> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 06:22:52 -0700 From: chip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Cool, cvsup works and xfce is fixed! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I had been having problems with xfce for a few days. The windows were coming up with no title bar, so they were unmoveable, not resizeable, and couldn't be made to go into the background. And the mouse click menu's would not come up with a click of the mouse, and the page would not page. What a mess. Someone here, I forget now, suggested I try cvsup'ing the ports tree and reinstalling. I hadn't tried cvsup before, I guess it looked a bit too complicated. But I read the section in the book, the Complete FreeBSD, read the stuff on the FreeBSD.org web site and the stuff on the FreeBSD diary web site and by golly, it worked, the first time, without any hastles. I was able to reinstall xfce (3.4 now, not 3.3), and 'all's well in la la land', well, my little corner of it. Thanks to all the people responsible for the above mentioned sites, and for the one's who take the time to help others here on this list. Chip www.wiegand.org Alternative Operating Systems To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 15 8:37: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wopr.caltech.edu (wopr.caltech.edu [131.215.102.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC2637BB87 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:37:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mph@wopr.caltech.edu) Received: (from mph@localhost) by wopr.caltech.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03744; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:36:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mph) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:36:58 -0700 From: Matthew Hunt To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDI/FreeBSD Blurb in Magazine Message-ID: <20000615083658.B3558@wopr.caltech.edu> References: <20000614220218.E252@dialin-client.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000614220218.E252@dialin-client.earthlink.net>; from cristjc@earthlink.net on Wed, Jun 14, 2000 at 10:02:19PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 14, 2000 at 10:02:19PM -0700, Crist J. 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------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BFD62C.A8EAD2D0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 16 22:28:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from dell.dannyland.org (dell.dannyland.org [216.254.28.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B4737B6D8 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 22:28:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyman@dell.dannyland.org) Received: by dell.dannyland.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 719505BCB; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 22:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 22:28:49 -0700 From: dannyman To: Narvi Cc: Brad Knowles , Brett Glass , Kevin Lyons , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDi acquisition of Telenet Message-ID: <20000616222849.A33599@dell.dannyland.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee on Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 07:16:14PM +0200 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 07:16:14PM +0200, Narvi wrote: > But to actually get cool looking hardware, one has to (horror! horror!) > hire designers. For now they look just as another 'configure your beige > box on the web'. Even if the do have black (generica) rackmounted > enclosures. They should stick with black and just add stylized red horns - the daemonbox! :) -d -- come.to/dannyman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 16 23:10:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from dell.dannyland.org (dell.dannyland.org [216.254.28.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DBC37B564 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:10:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyman@dell.dannyland.org) Received: by dell.dannyland.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C58345BCB; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:11:05 -0700 From: dannyman To: Troy Settle Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Neat... Microsoft hiring FreeBSD System Admins Message-ID: <20000616231105.C33599@dell.dannyland.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from troy@picus.com on Thu, Jun 15, 2000 at 01:13:23AM -0400 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 15, 2000 at 01:13:23AM -0400, Troy Settle wrote: > > http://www.dice.com/DandL/m/microwa.D-007.html > > I know it's old news that MS uses FreeBSD extensively in it's Hotmail > operations. I just think it's neat to see them advertising job openings > :) Hotmail are good to hire from, as their FreeBSD admins are very receptive to jo opportunities because Hotmail are moving to Win2k. :) -d -- come.to/dannyman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 17 11: 1:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D7E37B5D4 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:01:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA19007; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:00:54 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:00:53 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Manar Hussain Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Resume... In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000617184621.026e2cd0@stingray.ivision.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [took out -security and -isp, added -chat] You forget the part that he is 17 and has been doing freebsd *security* for 5 years... On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Manar Hussain wrote: > >> Hi. My name is Jason L. Schwab. How are you doing today? > >> > >For all your supposed professional skills, you are not capable of posting > >to an appropriate mailing list... Go read the list of FreeBSD mailing > >lists again and notice how there is one that suits the purpose. > > I'm sure this is unfair but I have to say that the cluelessness of sending > it to -isp and -security rather than -jobs made me immediately wonder if it > was a scam. I mean what better way to gain access to someone's network / > systems than to have them explain it to you and give you root :). > > Manar > > > -- > Manar Hussain, Director > Email: manar@ivision.co.uk Mobile: (07971) 277821 > > Internet Vision Tel: 020 7589 4500 > 60 Albert Court Fax: 020 7589 4522 > Prince Consort Road info@ivision.co.uk > London. SW7 2BE http://www.ivision.co.uk/ > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 17 11:11:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (avengers.ivision.co.uk [212.25.224.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18EAC37B621 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:11:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from manar@ivision.co.uk) Received: from [212.25.224.17] (helo=pretender2) by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.04 #1) id 133N3s-0002Dj-00 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 19:11:16 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000617190914.027b9ab0@stingray.ivision.co.uk> X-Sender: manarpop@stingray.ivision.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 19:09:14 +0100 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Manar Hussain Subject: Re: Resume... In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.20000617184621.026e2cd0@stingray.ivision.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:00 PM 6/17/00 +0200, Narvi wrote: > >[took out -security and -isp, added -chat] > >You forget the part that he is 17 and has been doing freebsd *security* >for 5 years... I only just noticed that when he posted it again to -jobs (hopefully that means at least he's learning) ... >On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Manar Hussain wrote: > >> >> Hi. My name is Jason L. Schwab. How are you doing today? >> >> >> >For all your supposed professional skills, you are not capable of posting >> >to an appropriate mailing list... Go read the list of FreeBSD mailing >> >lists again and notice how there is one that suits the purpose. >> >> I'm sure this is unfair but I have to say that the cluelessness of sending >> it to -isp and -security rather than -jobs made me immediately wonder if it >> was a scam. I mean what better way to gain access to someone's network / >> systems than to have them explain it to you and give you root :). >> >> Manar -- Manar Hussain, Director Email: manar@ivision.co.uk Mobile: (07971) 277821 Internet Vision Tel: 020 7589 4500 60 Albert Court Fax: 020 7589 4522 Prince Consort Road info@ivision.co.uk London. SW7 2BE http://www.ivision.co.uk/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 17 17:13:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F4937B5A8 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:13:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsdx@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bsdx@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA89820; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:13:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bsdx@looksharp.net) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:13:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Resume... In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000617190914.027b9ab0@stingray.ivision.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Not to mention bad grammar, spelling, calling that lump of boasting a resume, and lack of review which even 5 minutes of could have done wonders. I hope he can get a good job at mcdonalds while he retakes high school ;) On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Manar Hussain wrote: >At 08:00 PM 6/17/00 +0200, Narvi wrote: >> >>[took out -security and -isp, added -chat] >> >>You forget the part that he is 17 and has been doing freebsd *security* >>for 5 years... > >I only just noticed that when he posted it again to -jobs (hopefully that >means at least he's learning) ... > >>On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Manar Hussain wrote: >> >>> >> Hi. My name is Jason L. Schwab. How are you doing today? >>> >> >>> >For all your supposed professional skills, you are not capable of posting >>> >to an appropriate mailing list... Go read the list of FreeBSD mailing >>> >lists again and notice how there is one that suits the purpose. >>> >>> I'm sure this is unfair but I have to say that the cluelessness of sending >>> it to -isp and -security rather than -jobs made me immediately wonder if it >>> was a scam. I mean what better way to gain access to someone's network / >>> systems than to have them explain it to you and give you root :). >>> >>> Manar > > > >-- >Manar Hussain, Director >Email: manar@ivision.co.uk Mobile: (07971) 277821 > >Internet Vision Tel: 020 7589 4500 >60 Albert Court Fax: 020 7589 4522 >Prince Consort Road info@ivision.co.uk >London. SW7 2BE http://www.ivision.co.uk/ > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message