From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 18 7:20:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from southern-software.com (rosetta.thundercat.com [203.37.173.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CDB4437B556; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 07:19:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from info@southern-software.com) Received: from southern-software.com [198.142.196.124] by southern-software.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A80EC73A0392; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 00:19:42 PDT From: info@southern-software.com Reply-To: info@southern-software.com To: info@southern-software.com Subject: Can you please assist ? Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 00:21:23 PDT Message-Id: <20000618141935.CDB4437B556@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ___________________________________________________________ We are a software development company that specializes in security software. For some time now we have been working on developing a Client email program that contains security features never before available. In order for us to make this program the best that it can possibly be, we ask your assistance by taking a few minutes to answer these important questions for us. Which of the following functions do you consider to be important or essential for an email program? For questions 1-7, please rate 1-5. (1 being the least important and 5 being most important). A client email program should have: Question 1: The ability to prevent certain attachments that may possibly be carrying a virus. (This allows you to accept only safe attachments) Importance Rating______ Question 2: Automatic searching for file attachments that have been renamed or tampered with. (Virus senders can rename vbs files to txt files hoping you will open them) Importance Rating______ Question 3: The ability to limit the size of incoming email and attachments. (Reduce time wasted downloading large files, graphics, audio files, jokes, etc.) Importance Rating______ Question 4: The ability to select the size of outgoing emails and attachments. (Saves bandwidth as large files are roughly doubled when transferred by email). Importance Rating______ Question 5: An encrypted Address Book. (This will stop worm viruses sending copies of itself to your clients and/or friends). Importance Rating______ Question 6: The ability to restrict the number of attachments and size of attachments sent or received. And the ability to the restrict types of attachments received. (Gives control to employers and eliminate privacy issues arising). Importance Rating______ Question 7: A viewable log file containing information such as; email deleted without being opened, when email was downloaded, when email was read (opened), if email was forwarded or replied to etc. (Mail management and accountability at a glance) Importance Rating______ Question 8: Has your company been the victim of a computer virus attack? Yes/No ________ Question 9: If yes to question 8, approximately how many hours did it take to fix the problem? Hours ________ Question 10: If an email program was developed with the above security features, would you be interested in trialing a free demonstration version? Yes/No ________ Question 11: What percentage of email traffic is personal email? __________% We sincerely thank you for your time in answering these important questions for us. Sincere thanks, Graeme A. Ryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 18 10: 3: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from osiris.ipform.ru (osiris.ipform.ru [212.158.165.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5DF337B8A6 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 10:03:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matrix@chat.ru) Received: from wp2 ([192.168.0.12]) by osiris.ipform.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA84836 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:02:18 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from matrix@chat.ru) Message-ID: <002901bfd946$e4862d40$0c00a8c0@ipform.ru> From: "Artem Koutchine" To: Subject: V 3.5 Why? Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:01:48 +0400 Organization: IP Form MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! I was wondering WHY release 3.5 if 4.0-stable is here already for some time and has prooven to better. Besides, 3.x is EASILY upgradable to 4.0-stable (done it myself many times). So, WHY? (especially waste time and resources) Artem To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 18 10:56:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from aurora.sol.net (aurora.sol.net [206.55.65.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A216B37B61D for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 10:56:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgreco@aurora.sol.net) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by aurora.sol.net (8.9.2/8.9.2/SNNS-1.02) id NAA63295; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:04:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <200006181804.NAA63295@aurora.sol.net> Subject: Re: V 3.5 Why? To: matrix@chat.ru, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:04:28 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi! > > I was wondering WHY release 3.5 if 4.0-stable is here already for > some time and has prooven to better. Besides, 3.x is EASILY > upgradable to 4.0-stable (done it myself many times). > > So, WHY? (especially waste time and resources) > > Artem Because some of us don't like deploying technology with substantial changes until those changes have burned in for a year or so. Because some of us have things like device drivers that worked under 3.4 but don't under 4.0. Because some of us hate change-for-the-sake-of-change, but we do want to pick up the latest security fixes and other bugfixes. 4.0 has not "proven to be better". 4.0 has proven to be different, and an advance in some ways. However, most of the professionals out here who are using FreeBSD as an application server platform could really care less if they're running 5.0-current or 2.1.0-R - as long as it runs well, is easy to deploy, and is secure. Given those requirements, 3.5R is a fantastic way to keep abreast of the latest security and bugfix developments without risking the potential loss of stability that comes with any X.0 release. Personally, I pump out 3.4R boxes in about 35 minutes, from blank disk to fully loaded and configured systems with a few dozen custom compiled ports, application-specific configuration, and security embellishments all in place. When you pump out ten servers a day, you don't have time to screw around upgrading a system to -stable. I don't want the variability that doing so would give me... each system would have slightly different problems and issues. Everything looks different when you're responsible for hundreds of machines. -- ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 18 14:25:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (static224.conference.usenix.org [209.179.127.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6134037B525; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 14:25:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00567; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:39:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:39:26 -0700 From: Greg Lehey To: Pat Lynch Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pricerange for dinner. Message-ID: <20000616193926.A545@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from lynch@bsdunix.net on Wed, Jun 14, 2000 at 05:31:01PM -0400 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 14 June 2000 at 17:31:01 -0400, Pat Lynch wrote: > Also, does anyone have a prefereed pricerange for dinner? I have one > restaurant alreading bidding at 40/plate My company has a policy in place that I shouldn't spend more than $35 per day for all meals together. See whether I care. I'll go along with anything that the others approve of, as long as it's good food. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 18 16:35:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D74437BAEB for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 16:35:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20982; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:35:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000618172141.04e499b0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:34:59 -0600 To: "Artem Koutchine" , From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: V 3.5 Why? In-Reply-To: <002901bfd946$e4862d40$0c00a8c0@ipform.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:01 AM 6/18/2000, Artem Koutchine wrote: >Hi! > >I was wondering WHY release 3.5 if 4.0-stable is here already for >some time and has prooven to better. Besides, 3.x is EASILY >upgradable to 4.0-stable (done it myself many times). > >So, WHY? (especially waste time and resources) > >Artem What Joe Greco said. Those of us who create and run production servers find the predictability, familiarity, and rock solid stability of a .2-or-greater release to be worth far more than the novelty of a .0 release. A few of our workstations are running selected 4.0 snapshots, but servers will get 3.X releases (or selected snapshots) until FreeBSD 4.2 comes out. We will then go to 4.2 if it has proven to have no major glitches for two weeks after release and has all of the drivers we need. Software vendors (such as Microsoft) which attempt to force .0 releases upon their clients are generally hoping to use them as unpaid beta testers. .0 releases of FreeBSD are generally much better than .0 releases of Microsoft products, but there are ALWAYS some bugs to be shaken out. We find that the stability crossover point is usually at the .2 release. In the specific case of 3.2-RELEASE, some glitches that surfaced caused us to wait a bit longer. --Brett Glass To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 18 19:34:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns.corridor.net (ns.corridor.net [63.90.208.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92C237BB74 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:34:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anarchy@lockhart.net) Received: from dialup2-74 (unverified [63.90.223.202]) by ns.corridor.net (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.181) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:40:25 -0500 From: Brian To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:36:03 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00061821362003.00431@dialup2-74> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org auth 9273a402 subscribe freebsd-chat anarchy@lockhart.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 18 21: 6:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from kris.huntsvilleal.com (kris.huntsvilleal.com [63.147.8.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5448337BB5D; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:06:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kris.huntsvilleal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA89929; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 23:05:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kris@hiwaay.net) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 23:05:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Kris Kirby To: Greg Lehey Cc: Pat Lynch , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pricerange for dinner. In-Reply-To: <20000616193926.A545@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Greg Lehey wrote: > My company has a policy in place that I shouldn't spend more than $35 > per day for all meals together. > > See whether I care. I'll go along with anything that the others > approve of, as long as it's good food. Hrm. I was under the impression that you were a computer consultant working for LEMIS and there for working for yourself.... ;-) ----- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 19 4:31:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D45637BCA6 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 04:31:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA67137; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:30:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) To: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: j mckitrick , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kerberos and bsd license References: <20000608021150.A69953@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000608101634.A38441@mithrandr.moria.org> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 19 Jun 2000 13:30:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: Neil Blakey-Milner's message of "Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:16:34 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Neil Blakey-Milner writes: > (Although maybe you had to be there, especially after the few minutes of > unprovoked attacks against FreeBSD, the BSD license, and how BSD > developers are going to destroy the world.) WHAT? You mean they know of our plan? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 19 4:35:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D4737B739 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 04:35:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA67164; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:35:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) To: Kevin Lyons Cc: giffunip@asme.org, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDi acquisition of Telenet References: <200006091840.NAA02242@corserv.corserv.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 19 Jun 2000 13:35:42 +0200 In-Reply-To: Kevin Lyons's message of "Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:40:48 -0500 (CDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kevin Lyons writes: > > What BSDi is clearly trying to do is to broaden their revenue sources. > > The relation with other hardware distributors will continue as always: I > > haven't heard any Linux distributor complain about VA Linux. > The analogy is not the same. The comparison would be if VA had its own > brand of Linux and wanted Dell or someone else to ship them hardware > to test their brand of Linux. VA Linux is taking Linux, packaging it and selling it with hardware. BSDI (or Telenet) is taking FreeBSD, packaging it and selling it with hardware. What's the difference? What nobody seems to grasp here is that BSDI does not own FreeBSD. They just contribute to it, like everybody else - and they happen to own the trademark on the name, but that's expected to change soon. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 19 4:37:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695BB37B739 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 04:37:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 133zqM-000H3g-00; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:35:54 +0200 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:35:54 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: j mckitrick , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kerberos and bsd license Message-ID: <20000619133554.A65536@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <20000608021150.A69953@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000608101634.A38441@mithrandr.moria.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from des@flood.ping.uio.no on Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 01:30:52PM +0200 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon 2000-06-19 (13:30), Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Neil Blakey-Milner writes: > > (Although maybe you had to be there, especially after the few minutes of > > unprovoked attacks against FreeBSD, the BSD license, and how BSD > > developers are going to destroy the world.) > > WHAT? You mean they know of our plan? Err, DES, we're just _taking_ over the world, not destroying it. And it's just us South Africans. Or was I left out of the discussion for BSD world destruction, releasing the plans for the escape rockets all under the BSD license except the propellant? Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 19 4:56:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3189437B739 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 04:56:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA67246; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:56:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) To: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: j mckitrick , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kerberos and bsd license References: <20000608021150.A69953@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000608101634.A38441@mithrandr.moria.org> <20000619133554.A65536@mithrandr.moria.org> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 19 Jun 2000 13:56:18 +0200 In-Reply-To: Neil Blakey-Milner's message of "Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:35:54 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Neil Blakey-Milner writes: > On Mon 2000-06-19 (13:30), Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > WHAT? You mean they know of our plan? > Err, DES, we're just _taking_ over the world, not destroying it. We are? Err, oops! I mean, you could have told me, like, *before* I activated the, uhm, Doomsday Device... DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 19 8:20: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from iserver.itworks.com.au (iserver.itworks.com.au [203.32.61.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A7EE737B617 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gavin@itworks.com.au) Received: (qmail 33160 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2000 15:19:57 -0000 Received: from maybe.itworks.com.au (203.36.209.235) by iserver.itworks.com.au with SMTP; 19 Jun 2000 15:19:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 80255 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2000 15:19:57 -0000 Received: from maybe.itworks.com.au (HELO maybe) (203.36.209.235) by maybe.itworks.com.au with SMTP; 19 Jun 2000 15:19:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 01:19:54 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Cameron To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: freebsdmall E-mail failure notice (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If the person in charge of mail for freebsdmall is reading this that they probably want to look at their mail config as I'm currently getting the following error. Cheers Gavin []-----------------------------------+------------------------------------[] | Gavin Cameron | ITworks Consulting | | Ph : +61 3 9642 5477 | Level 8, 488 Bourke Street | | Fax : +61 3 9642 5499 | Melbourne, Victoria | | Email : gavin@itworks.com.au | Australia, 3000 | []-----------------------------------+------------------------------------[] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 19 Jun 2000 15:13:26 -0000 From: MAILER-DAEMON@iserver.itworks.com.au To: gavin@itworks.com.au Subject: failure notice Hi. This is the qmail-send program at iserver.itworks.com.au. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : 209.155.82.19 does not like recipient. Remote host said: 550 ... User unknown Giving up on 209.155.82.19. --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: Received: (qmail 33094 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2000 15:13:20 -0000 Received: from maybe.itworks.com.au (203.36.209.235) by iserver.itworks.com.au with SMTP; 19 Jun 2000 15:13:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 80115 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2000 15:13:20 -0000 Received: from maybe.itworks.com.au (HELO maybe) (203.36.209.235) by maybe.itworks.com.au with SMTP; 19 Jun 2000 15:13:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 01:13:20 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Cameron To: majordomo@freebsdmall.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subscribe freebsd-mall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 19 13:56:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2732237B71B for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:56:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA44627 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:56:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:56:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: chat@Freebsd.org Subject: Dinner at Usenix on Tuesday Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For those of you who are going to be around at Usenix on Tuesday evening, and who have an interest in FreeBSD security matters (or just want to go out for dinner), Robert Watson and I and one or two others were planning to get together to chat about such things. No definite plans yet, but Robert tells me he's planning to be hanging around in the lobby possibly wearing a TrustedBSD T-Shirt, and I'll most likely be in the terminal room :-) Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 19 22:18:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.mia.bellsouth.net (mail3.mia.bellsouth.net [205.152.144.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65ABF37B568 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:18:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dchulhan@uwi.tt) Received: from default (host-216-77-215-91.fll.bellsouth.net [216.77.215.91]) by mail3.mia.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with SMTP id BAA27939 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 01:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002201bfda76$f85cf160$5bd74dd8@default> From: "Dale Chulhan - MI, FL" To: Subject: Q1:Load Balancing Between Interfaces Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 01:18:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01BFDA55.6EEF11E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BFDA55.6EEF11E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello guys, I'm trying to refind a site which gives info on configuring automatic = load balancing between interfaces in FBSD ( say two modems ) Thank you PS If any one else has any idea how to do it please respond. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BFDA55.6EEF11E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello guys,
 
I'm trying to refind a site which = gives info on=20 configuring automatic load balancing between interfaces in FBSD ( say = two modems=20 )
 
Thank you
 
PS If any one else has any idea how = to do it=20 please respond.
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BFDA55.6EEF11E0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 19 22:21: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail0.mia.bellsouth.net (mail0.mia.bellsouth.net [205.152.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2BA37B728 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:21:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dchulhan@uwi.tt) Received: from default (host-216-77-215-91.fll.bellsouth.net [216.77.215.91]) by mail0.mia.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with SMTP id BAA21154 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 01:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002901bfda77$5a2e2440$5bd74dd8@default> From: "Dale Chulhan - MI, FL" To: Subject: UG(h) in Florida Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 01:20:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01BFDA55.A9DD6F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BFDA55.A9DD6F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, looking for a Users Group in Florida near any one ofthe following = areas ...... Palm Beach DownTown Miami Lake Whales Broward ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BFDA55.A9DD6F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BFDA55.A9DD6F40-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 19 23: 6:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from kris.huntsvilleal.com (kris.huntsvilleal.com [63.147.8.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6760F37BBA7 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:06:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kris.huntsvilleal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24120; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 01:05:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kris@hiwaay.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 01:05:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Kris Kirby To: "Dale Chulhan - MI, FL" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q1:Load Balancing Between Interfaces In-Reply-To: <002201bfda76$f85cf160$5bd74dd8@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Dale Chulhan - MI, FL wrote: > I'm trying to refind a site which gives info on configuring automatic > load balancing between interfaces in FBSD ( say two modems ) I would suggest searching the email archives of -questions for "multi-link ppp". I would so RT*M the ppp(8) man page. ppp(8) is capable of multi-link ppp, which allows using two modems as a bonded channel. If this is not what you want, the answer may be more difficult. is a informative site, but I do not know if there is presently a multi-link ppp page up. ----- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 20 12: 1:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from osiris.ipform.ru (osiris.ipform.ru [212.158.165.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1400137BF97 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:01:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matrix@chat.ru) Received: from wp2 ([192.168.0.12]) by osiris.ipform.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA03325 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:44:46 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from matrix@chat.ru) Message-ID: <003601bfdae7$8486f1c0$0c00a8c0@ipform.ru> From: "Artem Koutchine" To: Subject: Find all file newer than DATE Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:44:07 +0400 Organization: IP Form MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmm.. i can't find an easy way to find all file newer than spcified date recursively down the tree and then build those parts of the tree where such files occured and copy those file into a new tree. So, if i made a change to several file in a deep source tree i then can extract them from there and synchronize with such tree on the other machine. I know, it looks like CVS, but i need it done by hand where i want in shell. Help! Artem To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 20 12:29:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3424F37BC71 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:29:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Received: from shell-1.enteract.com (dscheidt@shell-1.enteract.com [207.229.143.40]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA84838; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:29:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:29:48 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt To: Artem Koutchine Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Find all file newer than DATE In-Reply-To: <003601bfdae7$8486f1c0$0c00a8c0@ipform.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Artem Koutchine wrote: :Hmm.. i can't find an easy way to :find all file newer than spcified date recursively down the tree and then :build those parts of the tree where such files occured and copy those :file into a new tree. So, if i made a change to several file in a deep :source tree i then can extract them from there and synchronize with :such tree on the other machine. I know, it looks like CVS, but :i need it done by hand where i want in shell. find's -mtime and -newer options are likely helpful. So might rsync (ports/net/rsync) David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 20 15:43:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from www.kpi.com.au (www.kpi.com.au [203.39.132.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1221737B811 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:43:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johnsa@kpi.com.au) Received: from kpi.com.au (localhost.kpi.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by www.kpi.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01833 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:43:41 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from johnsa@kpi.com.au) Message-ID: <394FF388.B23312AF@kpi.com.au> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:43:20 +1000 From: Andrew Johns Organization: KPI Logistics Pty. Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: What gaul - BSDi making claims over FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I just saw this on the BSDi website: "... Its popular BSDi Internet Super Server, BSD/OS, and FreeBSD operating systems serve as the standard platforms for many of the Internet's busiest Web sites, including Yahoo, Microsoft Hotmail, and others." It's a pity that the only sites mentioned (Yahoo and HotMail) BOTH use FreeBSD and NOT BSDi! The wording of that sentence seems to indicate that BSDi's software is used as opposed to the Truth, which we all know :) Don't get me wrong - I've nothing against BSDi at all - in fact I think that it is the best thing that could have happened to FreeBSD, as finally we might gain some (more) credibility and (hopefully) inherit some of those drivers that are covered under NDA's. (Not to mention the Java 2 port that they are building, which is where I discovered the quote above...) Note that I don't subscribe to this list, so pls CC me if replying. Regards ---------------------\=-_ _-=/ Andrew Johns BSc. \ \==/ / Principal Consultant \ / KPI Logistics Pty Ltd \ / mailto:johnsa@kpi.com.au \ +/ http://www.kpi.com.au \/ My favourite boot labels: F1 Real OS -> http://www.FreeBSD.org F2 Pretend OS -> http://www.microsoft.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 20 16: 4:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shell.webmaster.com (ftp.webmaster.com [209.10.218.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B881E37B570 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:04:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from davids@webmaster.com) Received: from whenever ([209.133.29.2]) by shell.webmaster.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id com; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:04:39 -0700 From: "David Schwartz" To: "Andrew Johns" , Subject: RE: What gaul - BSDi making claims over FreeBSD Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:04:49 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bfdb0b$ef216690$021d85d1@youwant.to> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <394FF388.B23312AF@kpi.com.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I just saw this on the BSDi > website: > > "... Its popular BSDi Internet Super Server, BSD/OS, and FreeBSD operating > systems serve as the standard platforms for many of the Internet's busiest > Web sites, including Yahoo, Microsoft Hotmail, and others." > > It's a pity that the only sites mentioned (Yahoo and HotMail) BOTH use > FreeBSD and NOT BSDi! The wording of that sentence seems to indicate that > BSDi's software is used as opposed to the Truth, which we all know :) It's too bad you didn't include the full cite. Without knowing what the word "Its" refers to, it's impossible to judge what claims BSDi is making. DS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 20 16:11:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (smtppop3pub.gte.net [206.46.170.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0CC437B570 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:11:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from res03db2@gte.net) Received: from evrtwa1-ar4-146-005.dsl.gtei.net (evrtwa1-ar4-146-005.dsl.gtei.net [4.34.146.5]) by smtppop3.gte.net with ESMTP ; id SAA4358622 Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:10:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:11:12 -0700 (PDT) From: The Clark Family X-Sender: res03db2@orthanc.dsl.gtei.net To: Andrew Johns Cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What gaul - BSDi making claims over FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <394FF388.B23312AF@kpi.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Almost as bad as people who post to a list, but arent's subscribed to it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 20 18:36:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from www.kpi.com.au (www.kpi.com.au [203.39.132.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C321A37B868 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:36:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johnsa@kpi.com.au) Received: from kpi.com.au (localhost.kpi.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by www.kpi.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02089 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:51:43 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from johnsa@kpi.com.au) Message-ID: <39501182.74E9E0DD@kpi.com.au> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:51:14 +1000 From: Andrew Johns Organization: KPI Logistics Pty. Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: What gaul - BSDi making claims over FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The Clark Family wrote: > > Almost as bad as people who post to a list, but arent's subscribed to it. It's comments like these that keep busy people like me away from this list - I simply don't have the time to wade through spam like that above :) Besides, I think -Announce, -Stable and -Security are more than enough for my purposes. As for the one valid response I got, here is the URL: (apologies for not including it the first time) LINK: http://www.bsdi.com/news/press/20000607 The original comment that I posted came from the last paragraph under the title "About BSDi". Cheers to all with the exception of "The Clark Family" :) aj My favourite boot labels: F1 Real OS -> http://www.FreeBSD.org F2 Pretend OS -> http://www.microsoft.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 20 19:27:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (smtppop3pub.gte.net [206.46.170.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD2937B589 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:27:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from res03db2@gte.net) Received: from evrtwa1-ar4-146-005.dsl.gtei.net (evrtwa1-ar4-146-005.dsl.gtei.net [4.34.146.5]) by smtppop3.gte.net with ESMTP ; id VAA4477437 Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:26:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:27:23 -0700 (PDT) From: The Clark Family X-Sender: res03db2@orthanc.dsl.gtei.net To: Andrew Johns Cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What gaul - BSDi making claims over FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <39501182.74E9E0DD@kpi.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm not too worried about BSDi. If they monkey with FreeBSD too much, there isn't anything to keep the developers from forking a new distro.(?) AJ, you took the time to reply, so you can't be all bad. (grin) But seriously, I was initially worrie that BSDi might become the next RH. [RC] On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Andrew Johns wrote: > The Clark Family wrote: > > > > Almost as bad as people who post to a list, but arent's subscribed to it. > > It's comments like these that keep busy people like me away from this list - > I simply don't have the time to wade through spam like that above :) Besides, > I think -Announce, -Stable and -Security are more than enough for my > purposes. > > As for the one valid response I got, here is the URL: (apologies for not > including it the first time) > > LINK: http://www.bsdi.com/news/press/20000607 > > The original comment that I posted came from the last paragraph under the > title "About BSDi". > > Cheers to all with the exception of "The Clark Family" :) > > aj > > My favourite boot labels: > F1 Real OS -> http://www.FreeBSD.org > F2 Pretend OS -> http://www.microsoft.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 21 3: 5: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in (theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.71.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4308637BD79 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 03:05:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in) Received: (qmail 23502 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2000 10:04:54 -0000 Received: from theory6.physics.iisc.ernet.in (qmailr@144.16.71.126) by theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in with SMTP; 21 Jun 2000 10:04:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 21464 invoked by uid 211); 21 Jun 2000 10:04:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:34:48 +0530 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: BT patents hyperlinks... Message-ID: <20000621153448.D21029@physics.iisc.ernet.in> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.15pre4 alpha Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_798000/798475.stm They're planning a licensing program for ISP's to use hyperlinks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 21 4:27:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mooseriver.com (ip52023.transbay.net [209.133.52.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE1037BD52 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:27:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA79133; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:26:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:26:23 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BT patents hyperlinks... Message-ID: <20000621042623.A78879@mooseriver.com> Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com References: <20000621153448.D21029@physics.iisc.ernet.in> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000621153448.D21029@physics.iisc.ernet.in>; from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in on Wed, Jun 21, 2000 at 03:34:48PM +0530 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 21, 2000 at 03:34:48PM +0530, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_798000/798475.stm > > They're planning a licensing program for ISP's to use hyperlinks. This issue was thrashed to death a few days ago on Slashdot. The general consensus is that BT does not have a leg to stand on. There are clear examples of previous art which make British Telecoms patent void plus there has been no "vigorous defense" of the patent since the 1989 when the patent was granted. Ted Nelson of the Xanadu project published a paper in the proceedings of the ACM in 1965 which uses the terms "Hypertext" and "Hyperlink" and describes how it works. Nelson gives Vannevar Bush credit for the original concept. Bush published a article in the late 1930's called "As We May Think" which describes the basic concepts. Hopefully the ISPs that receive BTs "invitation" to license the technology will have the balls to tell BT to fuck off. Another example of what a pathetic joke the US patent office has become. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 4.0 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 21 4:56:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shell.webmaster.com (ftp.webmaster.com [209.10.218.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3BA37B557 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:56:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from davids@webmaster.com) Received: from whenever ([209.133.29.2]) by shell.webmaster.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id com; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:55:55 -0700 From: "David Schwartz" To: , "Rahul Siddharthan" Cc: Subject: RE: BT patents hyperlinks... Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:56:05 -0700 Message-ID: <000701bfdb77$adfd40f0$021d85d1@youwant.to> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <20000621042623.A78879@mooseriver.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Another example of what a pathetic joke the US patent office has become. > > Josef For the record, the rule that allowed this to happen has been eliminated. New patents will expire 20 years after they are filed, regardless of when they are issued. Unfortunately, this patent (like the RSA patent) is in the block that predate the new rule, so they get the longer of 17 years after issue or 20 years after filing. This means that patents that take a long time to issue may come into affect many years after people have started adopting the technology believing it to be in the public domain. DS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 21 6: 2:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from csmd2.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (csmd2.CS.Uni-Magdeburg.De [141.44.22.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4532A37B52A for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 06:02:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesse@mail.CS.Uni-Magdeburg.De) Received: from knecht.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (jesse@knecht [141.44.21.3]) by csmd2.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17787 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:02:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from jesse@localhost) by knecht.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id PAA07392; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:01:40 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: knecht.cs.uni-magdeburg.de: jesse set sender to jesse@cs.uni-magdeburg.de using -f To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BT patents hyperlinks... References: <20000621153448.D21029@physics.iisc.ernet.in> <20000621042623.A78879@mooseriver.com> From: Roland Jesse In-Reply-To: Josef Grosch's message of "Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:26:23 -0700" Date: 21 Jun 2000 15:01:40 +0200 Message-ID: <0v66r39oi3.fsf@cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Lines: 8 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Josef Grosch writes: > Bush published a article in the late 1930's called "As We May Think" > which describes the basic concepts. Wasn't that 1946? Roland To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 21 7:17:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED05A37BE23 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 07:17:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA78274; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:17:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) To: Roland Jesse Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BT patents hyperlinks... References: <20000621153448.D21029@physics.iisc.ernet.in> <20000621042623.A78879@mooseriver.com> <0v66r39oi3.fsf@cs.uni-magdeburg.de> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 21 Jun 2000 16:17:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: Roland Jesse's message of "21 Jun 2000 15:01:40 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Roland Jesse writes: > Josef Grosch writes: > > Bush published a article in the late 1930's called "As We May Think" > > which describes the basic concepts. > Wasn't that 1946? 1945, actually. In 1967, IBM funded the development of a hypertext editing system which was later sold to the NASA who used it to write documentation for the Apollo program. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 21 8:52: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A7937B887 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:51:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21609 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:51:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000621095116.04662d60@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:51:45 -0600 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Yet more attacks on BSD from Leibovitz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org See http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/main/0,10228,2591417,00.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 21 9:12:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (dhcp110.conference.usenix.org [209.179.127.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3445737B887; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:12:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08850; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:48:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:48:57 -0700 From: Greg Lehey To: Kris Kirby Cc: Pat Lynch , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pricerange for dinner. Message-ID: <20000620214857.C8482@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> References: <20000616193926.A545@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday, 18 June 2000 at 23:05:54 -0500, Kris Kirby wrote: > On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Greg Lehey wrote: >> My company has a policy in place that I shouldn't spend more than $35 >> per day for all meals together. >> >> See whether I care. I'll go along with anything that the others >> approve of, as long as it's good food. > > Hrm. I was under the impression that you were a computer consultant > working for LEMIS and there for working for yourself.... ;-) Not any more. I've come out of the closet. With regulations like that, I sometimes wonder why. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 21 9:25: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mooseriver.com (ip52023.transbay.net [209.133.52.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C72F37B51B for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:25:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA80481; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:24:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:24:26 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: David Schwartz Cc: Rahul Siddharthan , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BT patents hyperlinks... Message-ID: <20000621092426.A80373@mooseriver.com> Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com References: <20000621042623.A78879@mooseriver.com> <000701bfdb77$adfd40f0$021d85d1@youwant.to> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <000701bfdb77$adfd40f0$021d85d1@youwant.to>; from davids@webmaster.com on Wed, Jun 21, 2000 at 04:56:05AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 21, 2000 at 04:56:05AM -0700, David Schwartz wrote: > > > Another example of what a pathetic joke the US patent office has become. > > > > Josef > > For the record, the rule that allowed this to happen has been eliminated. > New patents will expire 20 years after they are filed, regardless of when > they are issued. Unfortunately, this patent (like the RSA patent) is in the > block that predate the new rule, so they get the longer of 17 years after > issue or 20 years after filing. This means that patents that take a long > time to issue may come into affect many years after people have started > adopting the technology believing it to be in the public domain. True. British Telecom applied for the patent in the US in 1980 and was awarded the patent in 1989. Long before the web became popular but long after Ted Nelson published his paper in 1965. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 4.0 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 21 9:25:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mooseriver.com (ip52023.transbay.net [209.133.52.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDB737BBB3 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:25:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA80502; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:25:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:25:03 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: Roland Jesse Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BT patents hyperlinks... Message-ID: <20000621092503.B80373@mooseriver.com> Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com References: <20000621153448.D21029@physics.iisc.ernet.in> <20000621042623.A78879@mooseriver.com> <0v66r39oi3.fsf@cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <0v66r39oi3.fsf@cs.uni-magdeburg.de>; from jesse@prinz.CS.Uni-Magdeburg.De on Wed, Jun 21, 2000 at 03:01:40PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 21, 2000 at 03:01:40PM +0200, Roland Jesse wrote: > Josef Grosch writes: > > > Bush published a article in the late 1930's called "As We May Think" > > which describes the basic concepts. > > Wasn't that 1946? Doh! it was 1946. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 4.0 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 21 9:30:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from telinco.net (internal.mail.telinco.net [212.1.128.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4761937B53A for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:30:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Peter.McGarvey@telinco.net) Received: from pilchards.telinco.net ([212.1.128.253] helo=telinco.net) by telinco.net with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 134nOR-000GUT-00; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:30:24 +0100 Message-ID: <3950ED9F.F4B3580F@telinco.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:30:23 +0100 From: Peter McGarvey Reply-To: Peter.McGarvey@telinco.net Organization: Telinco X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BT patents hyperlinks... References: <20000621153448.D21029@physics.iisc.ernet.in> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_798000/798475.stm > > They're planning a licensing program for ISP's to use hyperlinks. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message The Register seems to have info on this 2 or three days before the BBC: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/11495.html -- TTFN, FNORD Peter McGarvey, Unix Administrator Network Operations Center, Telinco Limited To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 21 9:58:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from apoq.skynet.be (apoq.skynet.be [195.238.2.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B4137BF06 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:58:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by apoq.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62D41F2B9; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:58:20 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000621095116.04662d60@localhost> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000621095116.04662d60@localhost> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:25:27 +0200 To: Brett Glass , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: Yet more attacks on BSD from Leibovitz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 9:51 AM -0600 2000/6/21, Brett Glass wrote: > http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/main/0,10228,2591417,00.html I can't speak for any others (I haven't read them, and probably won't), but this particular article doesn't strike me as being "BSD bashing". If anything, I think GNU and Stallman come off the worst, for the comparison with the previous writings of Marx. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 21 10:26: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.osd.bsdi.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0893B37BB64 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:25:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11932; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:25:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com) To: Joe Barnhart Cc: XuYifeng , Duncan de Verteuil , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Resume... In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:51:54 EDT." Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:25:42 -0700 Message-ID: <11929.961608342@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please move this thread to -chat. Whatever other shortcomings it may have as a thread so far, one of the most prominent ones is that it's violating several mailing list charters by being cross-posted to both freebsd-security and freebsd-isp, neither of which being the right list for this kind of discussion in any case. A high signal-to-noise ratio on the technical mailing lists is everyone's responsibility. - Jordan > I agree. I'm so sad to see however, replies to people that are so much > less than professional (not that we have to necessarily be such all the > time). I'm convinced that some of the problem is attitudes and the > unwillingness to be open and help. People move and go to communities that > they feel better being a part of. > > I can only wonder how many people we have lost here to linux that might > have asked a question and ended up being treated like sh**. Hey, it won't > happen but once to me, and I run an ISP with a wide variety of OS's. > > Nothin is very warm here, nor on the BSDI lists either. It's hurting the > entire community, just sub to some of the linux lists and see for yourself > how the help flows. It made it commercial, it started early and earned > itself a rep for cooperation not spitefulness. > > JB > > On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, XuYifeng wrote: > > > don't try the change someboday's attitudes in bsd lists, it's tooo > > difficult :( > > also , I admit bsd has better technology, but Linux is more commercial, > > BSD's very > > important problem is there hasn't any enterprise level database system, it' s > > a pain. > > > > XuYifeng > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joe Barnhart" > > To: "Duncan de Verteuil" > > Cc: ; > > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 8:37 AM > > Subject: Re: Resume... > > > > > > > And people wonder why linux is getting so much more...it might just be > > > because of the *attitudes* on the *bsd lists... > > > > > > This is but one of so many I have saved showing nothing but contempt for > > > people. Oh well, keep being sound blaster compatible...you know, having > > > support for linux apps instead of attracting the companies to write a > > > direct port for you. > > > > > > Pitiful. > > > > > > JB > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Duncan de Verteuil wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: H. Eckert > > > > To: ; > > > > Cc: > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 9:16 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Resume... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting Jason L. Schwab (jlschwab@uswest.net): > > > > > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 > > > > > > I am 17 years of age. > > > > > > I consider my self a professional unix system administrator. > > > > > > > > > > Consider yourself lucky to be qualified to admin a microwave > > > > > at a fastfood restaurant. This might even help you to get a > > > > > chance to get a real qualification in the near future. > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > Ripley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aren't YOU one arrogant piece of... *shakes head* > > > > I am disgusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > /---------------------------- 352-372-5100 -------------------------------\ > | Joseph Barnhart | IRC | Gainesville, Tallahassee, | > | FDT Network Administrator | Front Page | Ocala, Tampa & St. Pete. | > | Florida Digital Turnpike | 56k Dialup | Pensacola, Jacksonville and | > | http://www.fdt.net | ISDN T1 | Miami. Megapop and Ipass | > | joseph.barnhart@fdt.net | Web Hosting | National access. | > | | Unix Shells | | > \---------------------------- 850-222-5200 -------------------------------/ > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 21 11:53: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D8237B92D for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:52:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23611; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:52:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000621124540.048b67b0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:52:26 -0600 To: Brad Knowles , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Yet more attacks on BSD from Leibovitz In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000621095116.04662d60@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20000621095116.04662d60@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:25 AM 6/21/2000, Brad Knowles wrote: >>http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/main/0,10228,2591417,00.html > > I can't speak for any others (I haven't read them, and probably won't), but this particular article doesn't strike me as being "BSD bashing". It is. It dismisses those who advocate BSD-style licensing as "hating" the GPL (implying an emotional response rather than sound ethical convictions). It also attempts to link advocacy of BSD licensing to the amoral "objectivism" of the followers of Ayn Rand. And it parrots Stallman's assertions that commercial developers are "hoarders." (Never mind that the FSF has a far larger "hoard" of software of which it has exclusive ownership than any commercial developer except perhaps Microsoft or IBM.) This article deserves a vigorous response. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 21 19: 6:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D356837B722 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:06:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28181; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:04:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000621200312.050a8190@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:04:34 -0600 To: Joe Greco , matrix@chat.ru, chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: V 3.5 Why? In-Reply-To: <200006181804.NAA63295@aurora.sol.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:04 PM 6/18/2000, Joe Greco wrote: >Because some of us don't like deploying technology with substantial >changes until those changes have burned in for a year or so. > >Because some of us have things like device drivers that worked under >3.4 but don't under 4.0. > >Because some of us hate change-for-the-sake-of-change, but we do want >to pick up the latest security fixes and other bugfixes. Speaking of which: I've been scouting around the FreeBSD servers, and cannot find a 3.x snapshot later than 3.4-RELEASE. Where are they hidden? --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 21 19:28:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F17AA37B7E2 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:28:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@earthlink.net) Received: from pool0586.cvx20-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net (pool0586.cvx20-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.252.76]) by merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18531; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by pool0586.cvx20-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05631; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:26:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:26:38 -0700 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: Brett Glass Cc: Joe Greco , matrix@chat.ru, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: V 3.5 Why? Message-ID: <20000621192638.C458@dialin-client.earthlink.net> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu References: <200006181804.NAA63295@aurora.sol.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20000621200312.050a8190@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000621200312.050a8190@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Wed, Jun 21, 2000 at 08:04:34PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 21, 2000 at 08:04:34PM -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > At 12:04 PM 6/18/2000, Joe Greco wrote: > > >Because some of us don't like deploying technology with substantial > >changes until those changes have burned in for a year or so. > > > >Because some of us have things like device drivers that worked under > >3.4 but don't under 4.0. > > > >Because some of us hate change-for-the-sake-of-change, but we do want > >to pick up the latest security fixes and other bugfixes. > > Speaking of which: I've been scouting around the FreeBSD servers, and > cannot find a 3.x snapshot later than 3.4-RELEASE. > > Where are they hidden? ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/README.TXT Says, "Snapshots are not distributed from ftp.freebsd.org on a regular basis due to load on our mirrors. Snapshots may appear here irregularly in the future if there's some specific testing goal to be achieved, but otherwise please look on ftp://current.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/ for the latest FreeBSD snapshots as they're distributed from that site. If there are any snapshots here, they will reside in the ${ARCH} (currently i386 or alpha) subdirectories. - Jordan Hubbard FreeBSD Release engineer." And current.freebsd.org only has CURRENT snapshots in the named directory. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@alum.mit.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 22 1: 2:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE03F37C1DE for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:02:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 1351vr-0000yw-00; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:01:51 +0200 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:01:51 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Brad Knowles Cc: Brett Glass , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Yet more attacks on BSD from Leibovitz Message-ID: <20000622100151.A3600@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000621095116.04662d60@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from blk@skynet.be on Wed, Jun 21, 2000 at 06:25:27PM +0200 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed 2000-06-21 (18:25), Brad Knowles wrote: > > http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/main/0,10228,2591417,00.html > > I can't speak for any others (I haven't read them, and probably > won't), but this particular article doesn't strike me as being "BSD > bashing". If anything, I think GNU and Stallman come off the worst, > for the comparison with the previous writings of Marx. Sheer volumes numbers of people would much prefer to be compared to socialism/Marx than to Objectivism/Ayn Rand. *grin* Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 22 2:44: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from trinity.skynet.be (trinity.skynet.be [195.238.2.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D5037C212 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:43:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by trinity.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31ED018082; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:43:56 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000622100151.A3600@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000621095116.04662d60@localhost> <20000622100151.A3600@mithrandr.moria.org> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:24:44 +0200 To: Neil Blakey-Milner From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: Yet more attacks on BSD from Leibovitz Cc: Brett Glass , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:01 AM +0200 2000/6/22, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > Sheer volumes numbers of people would much prefer to be compared to > socialism/Marx than to Objectivism/Ayn Rand. *grin* Obviously I'm demonstrating my ignorance, because I know just a little bit about Marx and the work that he did, building on top of previous work by Jean Jacques Rousseau (and how this relates to Hobbes & Locke, and how they influenced people like Hamilton and Jefferson), but although I've heard of Ayn Rand, I know nothing more than that -- heck I don't even know if Ayn Rand is male or female (although I would tend to assume the latter). And that's about it for my name-dropping. ;-) -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 22 5: 1: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F389F37B59C for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:00:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA02324; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:58:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000622055447.04a564a0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:58:48 -0600 To: Brad Knowles , Neil Blakey-Milner From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Yet more attacks on BSD from Leibovitz Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <20000622100151.A3600@mithrandr.moria.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20000621095116.04662d60@localhost> <20000622100151.A3600@mithrandr.moria.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 03:24 AM 6/22/2000, Brad Knowles wrote: > Obviously I'm demonstrating my ignorance, because I know just a > little bit about Marx and the work that he did, building on top of > previous work by Jean Jacques Rousseau (and how this relates to Hobbes & > Locke, and how they influenced people like Hamilton and Jefferson), but > although I've heard of Ayn Rand, I know nothing more than that -- heck I > don't even know if Ayn Rand is male or female (although I would tend to > assume the latter). > > And that's about it for my name-dropping. ;-) The comparison to Ayn Rand is not flattering. Ayn Rand's "objectivism" justifies -- no, glorifies -- complete selfishness without regard for trivial matters such as ethics, law and order, personal integrity, etc. Don't believe that the end justifies the means? According to Rand, nice guys finish last, so you're obviously a loser. --Brett Glass To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 22 10:47: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shell.webmaster.com (ftp.webmaster.com [209.10.218.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1F837BACB for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:46:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from davids@webmaster.com) Received: from whenever ([209.133.29.2]) by shell.webmaster.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id com; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:46:38 -0700 From: "David Schwartz" To: "Brett Glass" Cc: Subject: RE: Yet more attacks on BSD from Leibovitz Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:46:49 -0700 Message-ID: <001501bfdc71$d7d1a880$021d85d1@youwant.to> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000622055447.04a564a0@localhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass wrote: > The comparison to Ayn Rand is not flattering. Ayn Rand's "objectivism" > justifies -- no, glorifies -- complete selfishness without regard for > trivial matters such as ethics, law and order, personal integrity, etc. So you are saying that a person who valued themself as their highest goal wouldn't also value integrity? You actually believe that ethics, for example, is detrimental to a person, and so a truly selfish person would shun ethics? (You think ethics are a necessary evil?) > Don't believe that the end justifies the means? According to Rand, nice > guys finish last, so you're obviously a loser. Err, huh? Are you saying that Ayn Rand argued that the end justifies the means or that they don't? And what did Rand say about "nice guys"? What the heck are you talking about? DS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 22 12:43:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from funkthat.com (adsl-63-195-54-213.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.195.54.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF45737BE03 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:43:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gurney_j@efn.org) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by funkthat.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) id MAA76434; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20000622124354.02395@hydrogen.funkthat.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:43:54 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Usenix Page Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have put up a page w/ some photos and my experiences at Usenix on my home page. The link directly to it is http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/mylife/usenix/ Right now there is so much to do it's hard to write it all down. I'll try to expand the page in the last couple days. -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 408 975 9651 Cu Networking "Thank God I'm an atheist, that'd just be confusing." -- cmc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 22 14:19:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtppop2.gte.net (smtppop2pub.gte.net [206.46.170.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D2937B684 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:19:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from res03db2@gte.net) Received: from evrtwa1-ar4-146-005.dsl.gtei.net (evrtwa1-ar4-146-005.dsl.gtei.net [4.34.146.5]) by smtppop2.gte.net with ESMTP ; id PAA5527812 Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:28:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:20:01 -0700 (PDT) From: The Clark Family X-Sender: res03db2@orthanc.dsl.gtei.net To: John-Mark Gurney Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Usenix Page In-Reply-To: <20000622124354.02395@hydrogen.funkthat.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Did you ever bump into Doug White at UO? [RC] On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > I have put up a page w/ some photos and my experiences at Usenix on my > home page. The link directly to it is > http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/mylife/usenix/ > > Right now there is so much to do it's hard to write it all down. I'll > try to expand the page in the last couple days. > > -- > John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 408 975 9651 > Cu Networking > "Thank God I'm an atheist, that'd just be confusing." -- cmc > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jun 22 14:51:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA5337BF12 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:51:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5MLpLJ05603; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:51:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: The Clark Family Cc: John-Mark Gurney , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Usenix Page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, The Clark Family wrote: > > Did you ever bump into Doug White at UO? I've known jmg since middle school. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 23 2: 6:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153E737C0DD for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:06:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsdx@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bsdx@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA44969 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 05:06:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bsdx@looksharp.net) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 05:06:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: tcpip in BSD history Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anuone know offhand what year BSD first had TCP/IP networking? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 23 2:25:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from amun.combox.de (amun.combox.de [194.162.192.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E5037B954 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:25:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from petros@pps.de) Received: from cbx1.combox.de (combox.de [194.162.192.8]) by amun.combox.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA20692; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:25:14 +0200 Received: from pps.de by cbx1.combox.de id aa08852; 23 Jun 2000 11:23 MSZ Received: from jung7.pps.de by pps.de (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id LAA11677; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:23:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from jung9.pps.de by jung7.pps.de (8.9.1b+Sun/ZRZ-Sol2) id LAA15085; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:21:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from jung9 by jung9.pps.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA02129; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:21:08 +0200 Message-Id: <200006230921.LAA02129@jung9.pps.de> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:21:07 +0200 (MET DST) From: Peter Ross Reply-To: Peter Ross Subject: Re: tcpip in BSD history To: bsdx@looksharp.net Cc: chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: FymexHxtrTGj7dnEUqI0xg== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.0 CDE Version 1.2 SunOS 5.6 sun4u sparc Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Adam : > Anuone know offhand what year BSD first had TCP/IP networking? W. Richard Stevens, "TCP/IP Illustrated": > "4.2BSD(1983): first widely available release of TCP/IP" Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jun 23 23:19:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2366537BB7F; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:19:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Received: from tomasa (tomasa.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA37632; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:13:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200006240613.CAA37632@sanson.reyes.somos.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , "FreeBSd Chat list" Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:15:41 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Suggested new list freebsd-corporate Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Given a recent email on Advocacy about an email a boss sent regarding the use of FreeBSD at their organization it got me thinking. It would be benefitial to have a list whre people can disucss using FreeBSD in a corporate environment and in particular the type of strategies involved into having management buy in the idea. I suggest the name freebsd-corporate We could also discuss the type of issues that affect corporations and how to solve them using FreeBSD (i.e. providing conectivity to Appleshare, Netware and NT boxes). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 24 8: 4:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from gw.nectar.com (gw.nectar.com [209.98.143.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53FD37B9F1 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:04:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nectar@nectar.com) Received: by gw.nectar.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id ECB0E9B38; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:04:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:04:39 -0500 From: "Jacques A . Vidrine" To: Francisco Reyes Cc: FreeBSd Chat list Subject: Re: Suggested new list freebsd-corporate Message-ID: <20000624100439.B65163@spawn.nectar.com> References: <200006240613.CAA37632@sanson.reyes.somos.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200006240613.CAA37632@sanson.reyes.somos.net>; from fran@reyes.somos.net on Sat, Jun 24, 2000 at 02:15:41AM -0400 X-Url: http://www.nectar.com/ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jun 24, 2000 at 02:15:41AM -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: > Given a recent email on Advocacy about an email a boss sent > regarding the use of FreeBSD at their organization it got me > thinking. It would be benefitial to have a list whre people can > disucss using FreeBSD in a corporate environment and in > particular the type of strategies involved into having > management buy in the idea. Sounds like freebsd-advocacy to me. -- Jacques Vidrine / n@nectar.com / nectar@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 24 13:32:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7346D37B5C2 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:32:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29100; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:32:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <39551AE8.AF6E7D6A@gorean.org> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 13:32:40 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0603 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Newton Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Oz-ISP] FreeBSD and the forces of darkness. Real religious wars! (fwd) References: <20000615000214.C79055@atdot.dotat.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Moved to -chat. Mark Newton wrote: > > "I've just had a converstaion with xxxx xxxx (our Principal) about some > > of the changes. We've had to deal with some of the philosphical issues > > related to BSD. As you know BSD uses a 'devil' icon to portray the BSD > > symbol. Given we are a Christian school this is a significant concern for > > us. Even after reviewing the sites blurb about the origin of the symbol, > > we've come to the conclusion that it would not be appropriate for us to > > use the software." > > > > Can you believe it?! As silly as this sounds to you and I, the "mascot" will be a barrier to *BSD*'s adoption in many parts of the world. We don't have to like that fact, but we do have to deal with it. Doug -- "Live free or die" - State motto of my ancestral homeland, New Hampshire Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 24 17:55: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from radius.city-guide.com (radius.cityisp.net [216.2.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47CF337B6EF for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:55:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@cityisp.net) Received: from tech138 (tech138.city-guide.com [216.3.179.138]) by radius.city-guide.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.181) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:05:55 -0400 Message-ID: <007301bfde3f$44f0c940$8ab303d8@tech138> From: "Chris Lynch" To: References: <20000615000214.C79055@atdot.dotat.org> <39551AE8.AF6E7D6A@gorean.org> Subject: Re: [Oz-ISP] FreeBSD and the forces of darkness. Real religious wars! (fwd) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 20:49:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > "I've just had a converstaion with xxxx xxxx (our Principal) about some > > > of the changes. We've had to deal with some of the philosphical issues > > > related to BSD. As you know BSD uses a 'devil' icon to portray the BSD > > > symbol. Given we are a Christian school this is a significant concern for > > > us. Even after reviewing the sites blurb about the origin of the symbol, > > > we've come to the conclusion that it would not be appropriate for us to > > > use the software." > > > > > > Can you believe it?! > As Cheesy as it seems, yes I do believe it. The Devil and Computers has been a big thing, for what, 15 years now? What's funny is the myth that Satan is a computer, called B.E.A.S.T. and as soon as it's turned on we're going to goto Hell. I will be glad when religion grows up and stops with the silliness. Of course, that will never happen given mankinds nature to follow a spiritual path, regardless of the effects of it on his neighboors and regional homelands. > As silly as this sounds to you and I, the "mascot" will be a barrier to > *BSD*'s adoption in many parts of the world. We don't have to like that > fact, but we do have to deal with it. So true, despite the ridiculous nature of the deep-rooted fear of anything Horned. What are we gonna change the mascot to? A jack-rabbit? how bout a teddy bear, that's as cute as that cuddly lil penguin. How about "my little pony" ripoffs. Or a dinosaur (wait, that will anger creationist). how about a dolphin, or a porcupine? If people refuse technology because of a mascot, they lose. Let them pay for a bloated OS. Then, they can pray to whatever when it goes down. Not quite the agnostic chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jun 24 19:46:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB72237B6C7 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:46:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Received: from tomasa (tomasa.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA41496; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:40:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200006250240.WAA41496@sanson.reyes.somos.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Jacques A . Vidrine" Cc: "FreeBSd Chat list" Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:41:21 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) In-Reply-To: <20000624100439.B65163@spawn.nectar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Suggested new list freebsd-corporate Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 10:04:39 -0500, Jacques A . Vidrine wrote: >On Sat, Jun 24, 2000 at 02:15:41AM -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: >> Given a recent email on Advocacy about an email a boss sent >> regarding the use of FreeBSD at their organization it got me >> thinking. It would be benefitial to have a list whre people can >> disucss using FreeBSD in a corporate environment and in >> particular the type of strategies involved into having >> management buy in the idea. > >Sounds like freebsd-advocacy to me. >Jacques Vidrine / n@nectar.com / nectar@FreeBSD.org I agree with that. However perhaps you missed the last part. >We could also discuss the type of issues that affect >corporations and how to solve them using FreeBSD (i.e. providing >conectivity to Appleshare, Netware and NT boxes). Basically the "what do wo do now that they bought into the idea". Also the "followup" or scalation of FreeBSD use. In theory this list is a mixed bag of Advocacy and Questions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message