From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jul 30 18:27: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D538D37B907 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:26:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt6-216-180-4-240.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.4.240]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e6V1Qtj10365; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:26:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA94003; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:26:53 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <200007310126.UAA94003@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Brett Glass Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Quiet cpu fans In-reply-to: Message from Brett Glass of "Sat, 29 Jul 2000 22:08:51 MDT." <4.3.2.7.2.20000729220813.050499c0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:26:53 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass writes: > At 07:58 PM 7/29/2000, David Kelly wrote: > > >Am out of that business now. But to this day I keep electric pink ear > >plugs in my pocket, desk, briefcase... I like the $1.78 10-pack from > >Walmart best. They mostly get used at highway speeds on my motorcycle. > >But are as handy as a stapler at the office. > > I wouldn't wear earplugs on a motorcycle. I'd opt for a helmet. One needs both. As I use. On a nice quiet motorcycle with a big fairing. Picture doesn't show matching $350 Arai Signet/e helmet, only the dirt on returning from a 1261 mile week in the rain: http://home.hiwaay.net/~dkelly/pc800-small.jpg Itsn't it amazing how little the dirt shows in pictures? One has to move in a little closer to get a better idea of the dirt: http://home.hiwaay.net/~dkelly/dirty-small.jpg One day I might delve into DSP's and see if I can make an active noise cancelation solution tuned to wind noise. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jul 30 20:53:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49A437BA16 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:53:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18753; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:53:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000730214912.050dd330@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:52:58 -0600 To: Giorgos Keramidas From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Linux kernel and FreeBSD neck and neck? Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000730201933.A55192@hades.hell.gr> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000729140423.043c3600@localhost> <200007290224.VAA81722@nospam.hiwaay.net> <200007290224.VAA81722@nospam.hiwaay.net> <20000728222114.P17222@fw.wintelcom.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20000729140423.043c3600@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:19 AM 7/30/2000, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >Ok, let us then conquer the world, and be the apostles of the *one* >*true* *license*. > >Oh, come on. Oh, come on yourself. I have never said that any one particular license wsa the "one true license," but rather that the GPL in particular is harmful, spiteful, and unethical. > Any cause can be considered positive or negative. A "cause" that involves hurting others out of sheer spite and malice, as the FSF's does, is never positive. >And, Brett, sorry for spoiling this, but FSF != Linux. Linux furthers the FSF's agenda because it has adopted the FSF's license, which is the agent of that agenda. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jul 30 20:55:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5A937B81E for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:55:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18771; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:55:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000730215324.050de790@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:55:01 -0600 To: David Kelly From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Quiet cpu fans Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200007310126.UAA94003@nospam.hiwaay.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000729220813.050499c0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:26 PM 7/30/2000, David Kelly wrote: >> I wouldn't wear earplugs on a motorcycle. I'd opt for a helmet. > >One needs both. As I use. I've never found earplugs to be necessary. In fact, I'd be worried about wearing them. I might well miss important auditory cues. But then, I have always ridden small, quiet motorcycles with very well padded helmets. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jul 30 23:34:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shale.csir.co.za (shale.csir.co.za [146.64.46.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6883337B6E1 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 23:34:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reg@shale.csir.co.za) Received: from C992631-A.pinol1.sfba.home.com (C992631-A.pinol1.sfba.home.com [24.12.58.155]) by shale.csir.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA99575; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 08:34:33 +0200 (SAT) (envelope-from reg@shale.csir.co.za) Received: (from reg@localhost) by C992631-A.pinol1.sfba.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA84108; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 23:33:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reg) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 23:33:32 -0700 From: Jeremy Lea To: David Kelly Cc: Brett Glass , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Quiet cpu fans Message-ID: <20000730233332.B21023@shale.csir.co.za> References: <200007310126.UAA94003@nospam.hiwaay.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200007310126.UAA94003@nospam.hiwaay.net>; from dkelly@hiwaay.net on Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 08:26:53PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 08:26:53PM -0500, David Kelly wrote: > One needs both. As I use. On a nice quiet motorcycle with a big fairing. But we all know not to expect fairings. -Jeremy -- FreeBSD - Because the best things in life are free... http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jul 31 3:37:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fling.sanbi.ac.za (fling.sanbi.ac.za [196.38.142.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D01A37B8A7; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 03:36:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wjv@cityip.co.za) Received: from johann by fling.sanbi.ac.za with local (Exim 3.13 #4) id 13JCwC-0003zQ-00; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 12:36:48 +0200 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 12:36:48 +0200 From: Johann Visagie To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bioinformatics Open Source Conference, 17-18 Aug, San Diego Message-ID: <20000731123648.D91140@fling.sanbi.ac.za> References: <20000727122855.B414@fling.sanbi.ac.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000727122855.B414@fling.sanbi.ac.za>; from wjv@cityip.co.za on Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 12:28:55PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I wrote on 2000-07-27 (Thu) at 12:28:55 +0200: > > However, > the field is rooted in commercial Unix, and you can get a feel for some of > the Linux vs. Unix debate from these pages: > > http://www.portlandpress.com/biochemist/cyber/0006/default.htm > http://www2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/personal/rpg/CB/Linux.html Anyone interested in this, and interested in seeing how the ideas of open source / free software takes hold in a field as yet unaccustomed to the philosophical implications, may want to take a look at a current thread on the bionet.software newsgroup which started out called "Unix vs Linux - the movie" and has now morphed into "open source software for bioinformatics". -- Johann To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jul 31 3:41:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 608) id 3D65C37BC29; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 03:41:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IRC Message-Id: <20000731104156.3D65C37BC29@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 03:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [this being chat, i guess i shouldnt feel guilty asking here] which irc server an channel is everyone using these days? i have been off irc for about a month and everyone's gone! irc.lsl.com seems to have shutdown. cant find a populated #bsdcode anywhere. irc.freebsd.org responds but is a ghost town. is there anyone out there? jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jul 31 5:12:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from borg-cube.com (226-193.adsl2.netlojix.net [207.71.226.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F45737BB3C for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 05:12:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@borg-cube.com) Received: from borg-cube.com (dburr@borg-cube.com [207.71.226.193]) by borg-cube.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA97363 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 05:12:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@borg-cube.com) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 05:12:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Burr To: freebsd-chat@Freebsd.org Subject: Looking for a place to chat about FreeBSD? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey all, Just wanted to let you know of a little chat network that I've set up. It all started when a bunch of friends got together on IRC, but were tired of the constant lag and netsplits and arrogant ircops of the network we met on. So we decided to set up our own network -- using stable FreeBSD servers, of course! :) Even though this started out as a private network, there's still plenty of room for more people :) In fact, please consider this an open opportunity for you to come join us! We have several well-established channels, one of which is #FreeBSD :) We're always looking for more fellow FreeBSD users to chat with, so please drop on by. And bring your friends! :) (Note that most of us are in PDT, and we all work/go to school during the day, so the most active times are usually between 18:00-03:00 PDT.) Simply point your IRC client to 'IRC.BorgChat.Net'. Connections accepted on ports 6660-6669. For more info or to use our Java chat interface (so that you don't need to set up your own IRC client), point your Web browser to http://www.BorgChat.Net/ (please understand that this is a work-in-progress, so don't expect anything earth-shattering yet...) I apologize if this message is inappropriate. Please let me know if I am posting inappropriately, and I will not post here further. -- Donald Burr Resistance is Futile | FreeBSD: The WWW: http://www.borg-cube.com/ ICQ: UIN#16997506 | Power to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | Serve! http:// Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jul 31 13:33:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4FB37BCDF; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:33:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.3/frmug-2.7/nospam) with UUCP id WAA21874; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:33:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 5061B8895; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:54:53 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:54:53 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IRC Message-ID: <20000731205453.A73613@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000731104156.3D65C37BC29@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000731104156.3D65C37BC29@hub.freebsd.org>; from jmb@hub.freebsd.org on Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 03:41:56AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT/ELF AMD-K6/200 & 2x PPro/200 SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Jonathan M. Bresler: > > is there anyone out there? > You apparently found your way back but irc.ais.net (aka Concentric) is working fine for me. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 5.0-CURRENT #80: Sun Jun 4 22:44:19 CEST 2000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 1 0: 5: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from agora.babug.org (agora.babug.org [205.166.121.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D30CD37BDB3 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 00:05:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@agora.babug.org) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by agora.babug.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07806 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 00:05:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) From: Josef Grosch Message-Id: <200008010705.AAA07806@agora.babug.org> Subject: BAFUG Announce To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 00:05:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is the monthly BAFUG posting. It contains 3 sections; Jobs, Counter, and Retail notice. This is posted on the first of the month. If there are any questions please send them to jgrosch@MooseRiver.com Thanks *** JOBS NOTICE *** San Francisco Bay Area FreeBSD Jobs BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) has put up a web page of employers in the San Francisco Bay Area who are looking for employees, permanent or contact, who have FreeBSD skills. The URL is : http://www.bafug.org/BayAreaJobs.html Employers: The emphasis here is FreeBSD. The job you are advertising should have FreeBSD as a major component of the job. If you wish to advertise a job please send the URL to your web page with the job listings to jgrosch@MooseRiver.com. Employees: When contacting these employers please tell them that you saw this job listing on the Bay Area FreeBSD Jobs page. *** COUNTER NOTICE *** FreeBSD Counter Project The FreeBSD Counter project and BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) have put up the first public beta of its counter page. The Counter project is an attempt to gauge the installed base of FreeBSD. We current do not have a very good idea as to what is our installed base, how FreeBSD is being used and by whom. Because of this, FreeBSD is at a disadvantage when talking to ISVs and hardware and software vendors. You are invited to register with the counter project. The counter page can be found at : http://www.bafug.org/FbsdCounter.html Couple of caveats: * Your information is held to be confidential. Only those on the project, FreeBSD core group, and Walnut Creek CDROM will ever see this information. It will _NOT_ be handed over to spammers, direct marketers, and any of the other assorted bozos. * Suggestions and comments are welcome! * The database behind this page was built from the email registrations sent to Walnut Creek. If you registered at the time of an install chances are you are in this database. *** RETAIL NOTICE *** Retail outlets for FreeBSD A common question for new users of FreeBSD is, "Where can I get a copy of FreeBSD"? Aside from Walnut Creek CDROM (http://www.cdrom.com) there are a number of retail outlets world wide. A partial list can be found at http://www.bafug.org/Retail.html Notice this is a partial list. We are collecting addresses (snail, email, and web) of retail outlets for FreeBSD. So, send us the address of you friendly (or not-so-friendly) store that carries FreeBSD. -- $Id: BafugAnnounce.txt,v 1.2 1999/10/01 07:10:24 jgrosch Exp $ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 2 9:45:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from moo.sysabend.org (moo.sysabend.org [209.0.55.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8347737BD96 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:45:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83B8B755E; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 813E01D90 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:47:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: 4.1-ISO Message-ID: Approved: yep X-representing: Only myself. X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone have an idea of ohw long it takes things to propogate to the various mirrors? Virginia Tech (ftp3) still doesn't have the 4.1 ISO, and I'm not real interested in fighting with half the world for bandwidth on freefall (or it's modern equivalent). Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 2 13:41:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail-relay.eunet.no (mail-relay.eunet.no [193.71.71.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3A937C2AF for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:41:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mbendiks@eunet.no) Received: from login-1.eunet.no (login-1.eunet.no [193.75.110.2]) by mail-relay.eunet.no (8.9.3/8.9.3/GN) with ESMTP id WAA80350; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:41:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mbendiks@eunet.no) Received: from localhost (mbendiks@localhost) by login-1.eunet.no (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA34850; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:41:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mbendiks@eunet.no) X-Authentication-Warning: login-1.eunet.no: mbendiks owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:41:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Marius Bendiksen To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: COMPAT_43 (Was:...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I'm sure our friends in the embedded systems world would say yes. :) > For well-known set of applications you may want also to remove COMPAT_43. Which applications would this be? I've not found any description of this particular option anywhere, save for "don't remove it". Marius To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 2 14: 5:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mimer.webgiro.com (mimer.webgiro.com [212.209.29.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397C137B5E4 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:05:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by mimer.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 66) id B45B22DC0A; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:10:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 87C027817; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:00:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85BA610E17; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:00:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 23:00:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Marius Bendiksen Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: COMPAT_43 (Was:...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Marius Bendiksen wrote: > > > I'm sure our friends in the embedded systems world would say yes. :) > > For well-known set of applications you may want also to remove COMPAT_43. > > Which applications would this be? > > I've not found any description of this particular option anywhere, save > for "don't remove it". I can't tell you exactl right now - I'm on vacation now, and I have only my Nokia with me.. :) IIRC it has something to do with different tty fields and disciplines - but you need to look into /sys/kern for details. Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 2 15:59: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id B940137B5F1; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6FBE2E8198; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:59:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:59:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Jamie Bowden Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 4.1-ISO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Jamie Bowden wrote: > Anyone have an idea of ohw long it takes things to propogate to the > various mirrors? Virginia Tech (ftp3) still doesn't have the 4.1 ISO, and > I'm not real interested in fighting with half the world for bandwidth on > freefall (or it's modern equivalent). They may not choose to carry it for space reasons. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 2 16: 2:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A880537B5F1; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:02:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA22854; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008022247.PAA22854@implode.root.com> To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Jamie Bowden , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.1-ISO In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Aug 2000 15:59:00 PDT." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 15:47:54 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Jamie Bowden wrote: > >> Anyone have an idea of ohw long it takes things to propogate to the >> various mirrors? Virginia Tech (ftp3) still doesn't have the 4.1 ISO, and >> I'm not real interested in fighting with half the world for bandwidth on >> freefall (or it's modern equivalent). > >They may not choose to carry it for space reasons. Actually, ftp.freebsd.org (ftp.freesoftware.com) has an uncongested gigabit link now - I moved it to a different ISP a few months ago. It's pushing out a mere 150Mbps of traffic right now, so there should be plenty of headroom. :-) It's on the east coast, however, so your milage may vary depending on where you are. -DG David Greenman Co-founder, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Manufacturer of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 2 16: 6:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from coredump.lovett.com (hub.lovett.com [216.60.121.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3074437B5C0; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:06:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ade@lovett.com) Received: from ade by coredump.lovett.com with local (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13K7aq-000DnA-00; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:06:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:06:32 -0500 From: Ade Lovett To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/deskutils/biblereader - Imported sources Message-ID: <20000802180632.M51323@FreeBSD.org> Reply-To: chat@FreeBSD.org References: <200008020605.PAA15254@home.bsdclub.org> <20000802092401.B67002@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20000802102729.A1856@wopr.caltech.edu> <20000803002033.A99181@keltia.freenix.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <20000803002033.A99181@keltia.freenix.fr>; from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr on Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 12:20:33AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 12:20:33AM +0200, Ollivier Robert wrote: > You're forgetting the obvious: > religious/bikesheds Don't forget religious/guns.. I'd want a third-level port for "glock", and I'm sure jkh and others would want to add in their own personal self-defense objects. Followups/copy redirected to chat.. -aDe -- Ade Lovett, Austin, TX. ade@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 2 17:33:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from web1205.mail.yahoo.com (web1205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 91AE337B516 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:33:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wyldephyre2@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 11068 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2000 00:33:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20000803003348.11067.qmail@web1205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.139.227.211] by web1205.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 02 Aug 2000 17:33:48 PDT Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:33:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Haikal Saadh Subject: Re: 4.1-ISO To: Jamie Bowden , chat@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The AARNET mirror (queensland, AU) had it yesterday... --- Jamie Bowden wrote: > > Anyone have an idea of ohw long it takes things to > propogate to the > various mirrors? Virginia Tech (ftp3) still doesn't > have the 4.1 ISO, and > I'm not real interested in fighting with half the > world for bandwidth on > freefall (or it's modern equivalent). > > Jamie Bowden > > -- > "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began > to take hold" > Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" > Iain Bowen > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 2 18:26: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from got.wedgie.org (got.wedgie.org [216.181.169.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE48537B514 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:26:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgarman@got.wedgie.org) Received: by got.wedgie.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 367EBD908; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:26:04 -0400 From: Jason Garman To: David Greenman Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.1-ISO Message-ID: <20000802212604.A54073@got.wedgie.org> Reply-To: jgarman@wedgie.org References: <200008022247.PAA22854@implode.root.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <200008022247.PAA22854@implode.root.com>; from David Greenman on Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 03:47:54PM -0700 X-Phase-Of-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Crescent (13% of Full) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 03:47:54PM -0700, David Greenman wrote: > > Actually, ftp.freebsd.org (ftp.freesoftware.com) has an uncongested gigabit > link now - I moved it to a different ISP a few months ago. It's pushing out > a mere 150Mbps of traffic right now, so there should be plenty of headroom. :-) > It's on the east coast, however, so your milage may vary depending on where > you are. > Unfortunately, that ISP doesn't seem to have many peering agreements in place and most paths to it (at least from the locations I have access to) go through mae-east, 'nuff said. From my experience: internap, uunet, and exodus go through mae-east to reach that machine; qwest is the only provider from which i've seen decent connectivity to that site. Over the others I'm lucky to get ~12KB/sec during the day. traceroutes available on request -- i'd love to be able to slurp down the 4.1 iso from our colo space at exodus at a reasonable speed :) enjoy -- Jason Garman http://web.wedgie.org/ Student, University of Maryland jgarman@wedgie.org From fortune(1): Whois: JAG145 "... Had this been an actual emergency, we would have fled in terror, and you would not have been informed." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 2 19: 7:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7FB37B540 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:07:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsdx@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bsdx@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25594 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:08:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bsdx@looksharp.net) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:08:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: bible type programs in ports Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am cleaning up some computers which are aimed to land in a church classroom type idea and I was wondering if anyone has used ports/packages or other programs relating to the bible and related material in freebsd. These are 486 level computers just barely worth running FreeBSD on and I think I can swing it if the applications are worth using. The people expecting the computers are expecting windows but I havent heard official word if they actually have software or not; if they dont, this would be a great opportunity for me to setup some free stuff, if they do, I'd have to find some better apps. All I've found in ports so far via searching is brs-4.0 and some new one just committed; I'm going to look through several catagories by hand now but if anyone has any suggestions please shout them out! Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 2 20:46:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541CF37B5D0 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:46:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e732rID04565; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:53:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:53:18 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Adam Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bible type programs in ports Message-ID: <20000802195318.A4854@fw.wintelcom.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from bsdx@looksharp.net on Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 10:08:18PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Adam [000802 18:14] wrote: > Hello, I am cleaning up some computers which are aimed to land in a > church classroom type idea and I was wondering if anyone has used > ports/packages or other programs relating to the bible and related > material in freebsd. These are 486 level computers just barely worth > running FreeBSD on and I think I can swing it if the applications are > worth using. The people expecting the computers are expecting windows but > I havent heard official word if they actually have software or not; if > they dont, this would be a great opportunity for me to setup some free > stuff, if they do, I'd have to find some better apps. > > All I've found in ports so far via searching is brs-4.0 and some new one > just committed; I'm going to look through several catagories by hand now > but if anyone has any suggestions please shout them out! Thanks. Well I really can't think of any, but you'll want to make sure to wipe the fortune-o databases from the machines so that the potentially offensive jokes aren't accessable. :) -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 2 20:56:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EFC337B5D0 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:56:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25678; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:56:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000802215346.0466ab40@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 21:56:12 -0600 To: jgarman@wedgie.org, David Greenman From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: 4.1-ISO Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000802212604.A54073@got.wedgie.org> References: <200008022247.PAA22854@implode.root.com> <200008022247.PAA22854@implode.root.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org lightning.net seems to do most of its peering at MAE-East and MAE-West. Traceroutes from here go through MAE-West and then back across the country (presumably over lightning.net's own fiber) to New York. --Brett At 07:26 PM 8/2/2000, Jason Garman wrote: >On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 03:47:54PM -0700, David Greenman wrote: >> >> Actually, ftp.freebsd.org (ftp.freesoftware.com) has an uncongested gigabit >> link now - I moved it to a different ISP a few months ago. It's pushing out >> a mere 150Mbps of traffic right now, so there should be plenty of headroom. :-) >> It's on the east coast, however, so your milage may vary depending on where >> you are. >> >Unfortunately, that ISP doesn't seem to have many peering agreements in >place and most paths to it (at least from the locations I have access to) >go through mae-east, 'nuff said. > >>From my experience: internap, uunet, and exodus go through mae-east to >reach that machine; qwest is the only provider from which i've seen decent >connectivity to that site. Over the others I'm lucky to get ~12KB/sec >during the day. > >traceroutes available on request -- i'd love to be able to slurp down the >4.1 iso from our colo space at exodus at a reasonable speed :) > >enjoy >-- >Jason Garman http://web.wedgie.org/ >Student, University of Maryland jgarman@wedgie.org >>From fortune(1): Whois: JAG145 > "... Had this been an actual emergency, we would have fled in terror, > and you would not have been informed." > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 2 22:16:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238C237B58A for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:16:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA23582; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008030502.WAA23582@implode.root.com> To: jgarman@wedgie.org Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.1-ISO In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Aug 2000 21:26:04 EDT." <20000802212604.A54073@got.wedgie.org> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:02:02 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 03:47:54PM -0700, David Greenman wrote: >> >> Actually, ftp.freebsd.org (ftp.freesoftware.com) has an uncongested gigabit >> link now - I moved it to a different ISP a few months ago. It's pushing out >> a mere 150Mbps of traffic right now, so there should be plenty of headroom. :-) >> It's on the east coast, however, so your milage may vary depending on where >> you are. >> >Unfortunately, that ISP doesn't seem to have many peering agreements in >place and most paths to it (at least from the locations I have access to) >go through mae-east, 'nuff said. Just one thing I'd like to point out - a path that goes through a public peering point does not indicate that the ISPs involved don't peer with each other; quite the contrary. All it means is that they don't have private circuits between them, which is a very different thing. Lightning is fairly small and much of its traffic defaults through AboveNet. I'm sure this situation will change, however, now that we're adding 200+Mbps of traffic to their network. What I meant in my original comment was that we're no longer constrained by our first hop circuit like we were at CRL and that performance for most people is MUCH better now - typically twice as fast or more. Of course things can always be better. -DG David Greenman Co-founder, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Manufacturer of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 3 1:46:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE1637B7FF for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:46:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhix@mindspring.com) Received: from jhix.mindspring.com (user-33qtg78.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.192.232]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA16234; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 04:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jhix (jhix@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jhix.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA44809; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:49:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhix@jhix.mindspring.com) Message-Id: <200008030849.BAA44809@mindspring.com> To: jgarman@wedgie.org Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.1-ISO In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 02 Aug 2000 21:26:04 EDT." <20000802212604.A54073@got.wedgie.org> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 01:49:15 -0700 From: W Gerald Hicks Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doesn't anybody bother to make release for themselves anymore? Aside from the bandwidth savings there are other advantages to meeting the prerequisites for making releases. No way I'd give up my inhouse cvs repo and cvsup mirror. In an open source economy the code matters most. IMHO, FreeBSD goes much further than any other OS to making the source code (and distribution generation) easily accessible and useful. I was actually disappointed when the project caved in and returned to putting ISO's online. UTSL :-) Cheers, Jerry Hicks jhix@mindspring.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 3 3:23: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B6737B8AE for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 03:22:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA09669; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:22:46 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:22:46 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: Marius Bendiksen , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: COMPAT_43 (Was:...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Marius Bendiksen wrote: > > > > > I'm sure our friends in the embedded systems world would say yes. :) > > > For well-known set of applications you may want also to remove COMPAT_43. > > > > Which applications would this be? > > > > I've not found any description of this particular option anywhere, save > > for "don't remove it". > > I can't tell you exactl right now - I'm on vacation now, and I have only > my Nokia with me.. :) IIRC it has something to do with different tty > fields and disciplines - but you need to look into /sys/kern for details. > COMAT_43 used to be required to use xterm - maybe that's no longer so, haven't tried. It affects other things beyond ttys, though. > Andrzej Bialecki > > // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) > // ------------------------------------------------------------------- > // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- > // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 3 3:26:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ducky.nz.freebsd.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6087337B72C for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 03:26:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ducky.nz.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11003 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 22:25:59 +1200 (NZST) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: langille.org To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 22:25:58 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: make world takes 7 days Reply-To: dan@langille.org Message-ID: <3989F176.17591.476C3DF9@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been given another old box. Here's the specs: 486DX at 1193182 Hz with 12288K bytes. $ df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad0s1a 49583 29837 15780 65% / /dev/ad0s1f 1112831 735055 288750 72% /usr /dev/ad0s1e 19815 862 17368 5% /var procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc $ uptime 10:24PM up 16 days, 9:31, 3 users, load averages: 1.34, 1.27, 1.14 The build world started at 1100 on July 28th. It finished at 14:53 on August 3. Install world took 4 hours. It's been building a kernel for over 2 hours. I'm impressed. That VM must be working overtime. And working well: CPU states: 4.6% user, 0.0% nice, 10.7% system, 79.5% interrupt, 5.2% idle Lots of interrupt. -- Dan Langille [I'm looking for more work] The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.freebsddiary.org/ FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 3 5:16:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA11737B663 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 05:16:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA81266; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:14:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:14:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200008031214.OAA81266@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, dan@langille.org Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world takes 7 days X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat In-Reply-To: <8mbhr5$1us2$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> Organization: Administration TU Clausthal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.4-19991219-STABLE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In list.freebsd-chat Dan Langille wrote: > 486DX at 1193182 Hz with 12288K bytes. What's the clock speed of the processor? Those 1193182 Hz is the hardware timer rate, not the processor clock rate. I don't think intel ever made 486's with 1.2 MHz. ;-) > [...] > The build world started at 1100 on July 28th. > It finished at 14:53 on August 3. That's probably because there's not enough RAM. With only 12 Mbyte, it has to swap quite a bit during make world. Put a bit more RAM into it, and it will be considerably faster. I once did a make world on a 486DX-33 with 32 Mbyte RAM. Both /usr/obj and /usr/src were mounted via NFS (!) via Ethernet (10 Mbps), because the box didn't have enough local diskspace. It took "only" 28 hours. > CPU states: 4.6% user, 0.0% nice, 10.7% system, 79.5% interrupt, > 5.2% idle > > Lots of interrupt. Yep, probably because of swapping. Poor box. :-) Only 4.6% spent for actual compilation -- a sure sign of a misconfiguration (not enough RAM). Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Addresses will change soon!! If in doubt: www.fromme.com "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 3 6: 0:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ducky.nz.freebsd.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CAA37B663 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 06:00:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ducky.nz.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11763; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 00:59:05 +1200 (NZST) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: langille.org To: Oliver Fromme Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 00:59:05 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: make world takes 7 days Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <398A1559.946.47F8748F@localhost> In-reply-to: <200008031214.OAA81266@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> References: <8mbhr5$1us2$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 3 Aug 2000, at 14:14, Oliver Fromme wrote: > In list.freebsd-chat Dan Langille wrote: > > 486DX at 1193182 Hz with 12288K bytes. > > What's the clock speed of the processor? Those 1193182 Hz > is the hardware timer rate, not the processor clock rate. > I don't think intel ever made 486's with 1.2 MHz. ;-) I don't know. I'd have to open the box to find out. > > > [...] > > The build world started at 1100 on July 28th. > > It finished at 14:53 on August 3. > > That's probably because there's not enough RAM. With only > 12 Mbyte, it has to swap quite a bit during make world. > Put a bit more RAM into it, and it will be considerably > faster. Yep. I'd love to do that. But I can't afford that at the moment. In fact, all of my FreeBSD has been donated to me. > I once did a make world on a 486DX-33 with 32 Mbyte RAM. > Both /usr/obj and /usr/src were mounted via NFS (!) via > Ethernet (10 Mbps), because the box didn't have enough > local diskspace. > > It took "only" 28 hours. > > > CPU states: 4.6% user, 0.0% nice, 10.7% system, 79.5% interrupt, > > 5.2% idle > > > > Lots of interrupt. > > Yep, probably because of swapping. Poor box. :-) > Only 4.6% spent for actual compilation -- a sure sign of > a misconfiguration (not enough RAM). When I get work, then I'll start buying hardware. Until then, I have lots of time to wait. cheers -- Dan Langille [I'm looking for more work] The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.freebsddiary.org/ FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 3 7:32:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from csmd2.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (csmd2.CS.Uni-Magdeburg.De [141.44.22.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1652C37B80A for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 07:32:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesse@mail.CS.Uni-Magdeburg.De) Received: from knecht.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (jesse@knecht [141.44.21.3]) by csmd2.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22202 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 16:32:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from jesse@localhost) by knecht.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id QAA11111; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 16:31:52 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: knecht.cs.uni-magdeburg.de: jesse set sender to jesse@cs.uni-magdeburg.de using -f To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make world takes 7 days References: <8mbhr5$1us2$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> <398A1559.946.47F8748F@localhost> From: Roland Jesse In-Reply-To: "Dan Langille"'s message of "Fri, 4 Aug 2000 00:59:05 +1200" Date: 03 Aug 2000 16:31:51 +0200 Message-ID: <0vu2d2wh48.fsf@cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Dan Langille" writes: > > What's the clock speed of the processor? Those 1193182 Hz > > is the hardware timer rate, not the processor clock rate. > > I don't think intel ever made 486's with 1.2 MHz. ;-) > > I don't know. I'd have to open the box to find out. What's the output of 'dmesg | grep CPU'? Roland To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 3 9:22:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5F437B9A3 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:22:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13KNRv-000PXy-00 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:02:23 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13KNRs-000MG6-00 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:02:20 +0100 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:02:20 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world takes 7 days Message-ID: <20000803170220.K80822@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <8mbhr5$1us2$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> <200008031214.OAA81266@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200008031214.OAA81266@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Oliver Fromme wrote: > I once did a make world on a 486DX-33 with 32 Mbyte RAM. > Both /usr/obj and /usr/src were mounted via NFS (!) via > Ethernet (10 Mbps), because the box didn't have enough > local diskspace. > > It took "only" 28 hours. I do something similar. 486 at 120MHz (some funny overdrive thing) with 16MB of RAM. I don't think it swaps *that* much, but I haven't really monitored it carefully. Buildworld used to take about 20 hours, but about the time of the malloc change to AJ default it shot up, even with /etc/malloc.conf -> j (well, Hj actually, but it was the same with just j I think). I'm not sure why, but it doesn't really bother me much. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 3 9:25:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D599F37B51D for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:25:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13KNnn-000Pft-00; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:24:59 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13KNnk-000PnQ-00; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:24:56 +0100 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:24:56 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Roland Jesse Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make world takes 7 days Message-ID: <20000803172456.M80822@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <8mbhr5$1us2$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> <398A1559.946.47F8748F@localhost> <0vu2d2wh48.fsf@cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <0vu2d2wh48.fsf@cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Roland Jesse wrote: > "Dan Langille" writes: > >>> What's the clock speed of the processor? Those 1193182 Hz >>> is the hardware timer rate, not the processor clock rate. >>> I don't think intel ever made 486's with 1.2 MHz. ;-) >> >> I don't know. I'd have to open the box to find out. > > What's the output of 'dmesg | grep CPU'? Nothing very useful for a 486. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 3 12:59:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04AB37B663 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:59:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA38322; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:59:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) To: dg@root.com Cc: jgarman@wedgie.org, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.1-ISO References: <200008030502.WAA23582@implode.root.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 03 Aug 2000 21:59:01 +0200 In-Reply-To: David Greenman's message of "Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:02:02 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Greenman writes: > Lightning is fairly small and much of its traffic defaults through > AboveNet. One of the ISPs I use has a direct circuit to AboveNet, the other goes through two hops at TeleGlobe, so I'm pretty happy with latency and throughput, but I'm not too happy about supporting AboveNet in any way, if what's been said about their competitive practices (MAPS vs. ORBS) is true. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 3 16:29:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns3.tstt.net.tt (ns3.tstt.net.tt [196.3.132.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E5737B8A0 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 16:29:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dchulhan@uwi.tt) Received: from uwi.tt (cuscon4666.tstt.net.tt [209.94.221.172]) by ns3.tstt.net.tt with ESMTP id TAA147844; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 19:27:48 -0400 Message-ID: <398A000E.A5175FBB@uwi.tt> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 19:28:14 -0400 From: "Dale E. Chulhan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "chat@FreeBSD.ORG" , My List , feisal@uwi.tt Subject: MS Hotmail servers begin switch from FreeBSD to Win2k Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org MS Hotmail servers begin switch from FreeBSD to Win2k By: John Lettice Posted: 01/08/2000 at 08:41 GMT http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/12290.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 3 16:52:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from web215.mail.yahoo.com (web215.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3565737B882 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 16:52:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fjrm@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 23519 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2000 23:52:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20000803235256.23518.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.139.165.5] by web215.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 16:52:56 PDT Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 16:52:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Francisco Reyes Subject: www.tucows.com messed up with BSD link To: chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The alternate text for the BSD icon at Tucows homepage says "Linux". do we know anyone at tucows we can write about this? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 3 17:21: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5E737B897 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 17:21:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26165; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:50:46 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:50:45 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Adam Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bible type programs in ports Message-ID: <20000804095045.B22413@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from bsdx@looksharp.net on Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 10:08:18PM -0400 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 2 August 2000 at 22:08:18 -0400, Adam wrote: > Hello, I am cleaning up some computers which are aimed to land in a > church classroom type idea and I was wondering if anyone has used > ports/packages or other programs relating to the bible and related > material in freebsd. These are 486 level computers just barely worth > running FreeBSD on and I think I can swing it if the applications are > worth using. The people expecting the computers are expecting windows but > I havent heard official word if they actually have software or not; if > they dont, this would be a great opportunity for me to setup some free > stuff, if they do, I'd have to find some better apps. > > All I've found in ports so far via searching is brs-4.0 and some new one > just committed; I'm going to look through several catagories by hand now > but if anyone has any suggestions please shout them out! Thanks. Walnut Creek used to do a CD-ROM of bible-related stuff. You might like to check if it's still available. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 4 5:45:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B67037B5F5 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 05:45:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13KgkS-0001OU-00; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:38:48 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13KgkP-000Hvg-00; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:38:45 +0100 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 13:38:45 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Francisco Reyes Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www.tucows.com messed up with BSD link Message-ID: <20000804133845.D3360@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20000803235256.23518.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000803235256.23518.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Francisco Reyes wrote: > The alternate text for the BSD icon at Tucows homepage > says "Linux". > > do we know anyone at tucows we can write about this? webmaster@tucows.com ? -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 4 6:31:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C709B37BB16 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 06:31:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 13KhZ2-0005AI-00 for chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:31:04 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA75139 for chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:31:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 14:31:03 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: applixware 5.0 for freebsd Message-ID: <20000804143103.A75009@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I heard from customer service that applixware 5.0 for BSD (native) is in QA right now and will hopefully be released in a month. Just in time for school. :) It uses gtk, i believe, and there is no longer a god-forsaken import menu. 'Open' does it all. Nice to see industry support for BSD, especially on the desktop. Now if only it wouldn't lag behind Linux by two months. But i won't complain. jm -- ------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org Honk if you hate people too. ------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 4 8:44:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F6937BA64 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:44:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12988; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:43:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000804094036.05078a20@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 09:43:02 -0600 To: Francisco Reyes , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: www.tucows.com messed up with BSD link In-Reply-To: <20000803235256.23518.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 05:52 PM 8/3/2000, Francisco Reyes wrote: >The alternate text for the BSD icon at Tucows homepage >says "Linux". Reminds me of what Borland said when I asked if they would port their Delphi compiler to FreeBSD. Their marketing manager replied, "Which distribution of Linux is that?" Alas, Borland has been more guilty than most of jumping on bandwagons and ignoring better opportunities. That's why they devoted all of their resources to Windows, and nearly lost the entire company by doing so. --Brett Glass To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 4 9:15: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fling.sanbi.ac.za (fling.sanbi.ac.za [196.38.142.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A127B37B8E5; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:14:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wjv@cityip.co.za) Received: from johann by fling.sanbi.ac.za with local (Exim 3.13 #4) id 13Kk7H-0003mj-00; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 18:14:35 +0200 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:14:35 +0200 From: Johann Visagie To: chat@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Announcing a mailing list for FreeBSD users in the biosciences Message-ID: <20000804181435.A9671@fling.sanbi.ac.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A new mailing list has been established for FreeBSD users in bioscientific fields, including bioinformatics, genomics, and all branches of computational biology. The aim of the list is not only to form a single point of contact for FreeBSD users in these fields, but also to form a staging area for porting bioscientific applications to FreeBSD. (Just watch the "biology" category in the ports tree during upcoming months! :-) For reasons which I have outlined before in these lists, I think that there is a need for a "bio-friendly" free Unix, and I would (of course) like FreeBSD to be it. For reasons which I have also outlined before, I think that such a bio-friendly OS could attract significant numbers of new users. Mail to this new mailing list may be addressed to . *** YES, that is .NET, and _NOT_ .ORG! *** The freebsd-bio list is in no way officially connected with or endorsed by the FreeBSD project or BSDi, Inc. To subscribe to the list, either: - Do so via the web front-end at: http://www.plig.net/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-bio - Send the word "subscribe" in the body of an email message to Thank you, -- Johann To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 4 15: 3:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from klapaucius.zer0.org (klapaucius.zer0.org [204.152.186.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6042937B75B for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:03:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by klapaucius.zer0.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA45796; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:03:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) X-Authentication-Warning: klapaucius.zer0.org: gsutter set sender to gsutter@zer0.org using -f Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:03:21 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: "Dale E. Chulhan" Cc: "chat@FreeBSD.ORG" , My List , feisal@uwi.tt Subject: Re: MS Hotmail servers begin switch from FreeBSD to Win2k Message-ID: <20000804150321.A45180@klapaucius.zer0.org> References: <398A000E.A5175FBB@uwi.tt> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <398A000E.A5175FBB@uwi.tt>; from dchulhan@uwi.tt on Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 07:28:14PM -0400 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2000-08-03 19:28 -0400, "Dale E. Chulhan" wrote: > MS Hotmail servers begin switch from FreeBSD to Win2k > By: John Lettice > Posted: 01/08/2000 at 08:41 GMT > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/12290.html This has been on Daemon News since 20000801. Gotta keep up with your daily BSD news... :) http://daily.daemonnews.org/view_story.php3?story_id=1081 Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Bureaucrats cut red tape--lengthwise. mailto:gsutter@zer0.org http://www.zer0.org/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 5 9:15:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E1F37BA6C for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 09:14:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA85621; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 16:28:08 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 16:28:08 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Francisco Reyes Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www.tucows.com messed up with BSD link Message-ID: <20000805162807.A85546@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000803235256.23518.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <20000803235256.23518.qmail@web215.mail.yahoo.com>; from fjrm@yahoo.com on Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 04:52:56PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 04:52:56PM -0700, Francisco Reyes wrote: > The alternate text for the BSD icon at Tucows homepage > says "Linux". > > do we know anyone at tucows we can write about this? Melissa Johnson I've forwarded your message on to her. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 5 19:13:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6195037BBD5 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 19:13:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from SoftGuitar@aol.com) Received: from SoftGuitar@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id n.6c.1d716ea (4360) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:13:33 -0400 (EDT) From: SoftGuitar@aol.com Message-ID: <6c.1d716ea.26be23cd@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 22:13:33 EDT Subject: FreeBSD Newbies To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please subscribe me to FreeBSD newbies....... for SoftGuitar@aol.com lubbybear@netzero.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message