From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 31 3:46:17 2000 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 31 03:46:14 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B63337B400 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 03:46:13 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from mail2.siemens.de (mail2.siemens.de [139.25.208.11]) by david.siemens.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBVBjvr25717; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:46:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (curry.mchp.siemens.de [139.25.42.7]) by mail2.siemens.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBVBju918445; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:45:56 +0100 (MET) Received: (from localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBVBju045506; Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:45:56 +0100 From: Andre Albsmeier To: Greg Lehey Cc: "G. Adam Stanislav" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removing GNU from kernel Message-ID: <20001231124556.A99615@curry.mchp.siemens.de> References: <20001230122630.A247@whizkidtech.net> <20001231121623.D3496@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001231121623.D3496@wantadilla.lemis.com>; from grog@lemis.com on Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 12:16:23PM +1030 X-Echelon: BND CIA NSA Mossad KGB MI6 IRA detonator nuclear assault strike Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 31-Dec-2000 at 12:16:23 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Saturday, 30 December 2000 at 12:26:30 -0600, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > > Several weeks ago, I mentioned how I built my own kernel for the first > > time, and how happy I was with the result. > > > > Still, I noticed the string "GCC: (GNU) 2.7.2.1" appearing in my kernel > > several hundred times. I decided to try to get rid of it. As root, I typed: > > > > # strip -R .comment kernel > > > > Sure enough, my kernel was reduced from 1,225,217 bytes to 994,864 bytes. > > The GNU strings are gone. The kernel still boots just as before. > > This is puzzling for a number of reasons. First, the kernel is very > small by modern standards, even before the stripping. I've just > checked my last 3.x kernel, and I find: > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 grog lemis 9954685 Jun 8 2000 kernel.debug > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root lemis 1778344 Dec 31 12:13 kernel > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root lemis 1770936 Dec 31 12:13 kernel.stripped > > The file kernel is kernel.debug stripped normally. And yes, it has a > few lines of the form GCC: (GNU) 2.7.2.3 in it. The third file is the > result of stripping the comments; I saved rather over 7 kB. > Definitely worth doing, so much in fact that we have already done it. > Here's the some thing on a 5.x kernel; 4.x looks the same: > > $ strings -a kernel.debug | grep GNU > $ What does a strings -a kernel.debug | grep GCC say? I get here (on 4.2): $ strings -a kernel.debug | grep GCC | head [ASM_FILE_END]GCC: (c) 2.95.2 19991024 (release) [ASM_FILE_END]GCC: (c) 2.95.2 19991024 (release) [ASM_FILE_END]GCC: (c) 2.95.2 19991024 (release) [ASM_FILE_END]GCC: (c) 2.95.2 19991024 (release) [ASM_FILE_END]GCC: (c) 2.95.2 19991024 (release) [ASM_FILE_END]GCC: (c) 2.95.2 19991024 (release) [ASM_FILE_END]GCC: (c) 2.95.2 19991024 (release) [ASM_FILE_END]GCC: (c) 2.95.2 19991024 (release) [ASM_FILE_END]GCC: (c) 2.95.2 19991024 (release) [ASM_FILE_END]GCC: (c) 2.95.2 19991024 (release) $ And I can do: $ strings -a kernel.debug | grep GCC | wc 381 1905 18669 $ Some thoughts: $ rm kernel $ make objcopy --strip-debug kernel.debug kernel $ ls -l kernel* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2218267 Dec 31 12:40 kernel -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 8499829 Dec 31 11:33 kernel.debug $ objcopy --strip-debug -R .comment kernel.debug kernel $ ls -l kernel* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2199151 Dec 31 12:41 kernel -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 8499829 Dec 31 11:33 kernel.debug $ strings -a kernel | grep GCC $ -Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 31 6:24:43 2000 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 31 06:24:41 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com (mailout02.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 174C437B400 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 06:24:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from fwd00.sul.t-online.com by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14CjPb-0002BL-05; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 15:24:39 +0100 Received: from neutron.cichlids.com (520050424122-0001@[62.157.56.132]) by fmrl00.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 14CjPX-1SpufgC; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 15:24:35 +0100 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D922AB0C for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 15:25:02 +0100 (CET) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AF2EB14A70; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 15:24:33 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 15:24:33 +0100 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: burncd(8): "overburning" works Message-ID: <20001231152433.A36035@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mail-Followup-To: alex@cichlids.cichlids.com, chat@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. From: alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer) X-Sender: 520050424122-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! I successfully over-burned (or whatever you guys call that in English) a CD-R with burncd. I got a 705 MB .iso I created with mkisofs on a 700 MB CD-R blank. Looking at the CD, I guess there would have been place for additional 5-10 MB. I just wanted to tell you that this is possible with burncd, in case you didn't know yet. So, so-called features that tools like Nero(tm) provide, are just built-in features in burncd(8) as well =) Alex -- cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 31 7:59:19 2000 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 31 07:59:17 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from whizkidtech.net (r46.bfm.org [216.127.220.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7314A37B400; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 07:59:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from adam@localhost) by whizkidtech.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id JAA00300; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 09:58:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 09:57:41 -0600 From: "G. Adam Stanislav" To: Ben Smithurst Cc: Brett Glass , chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Removing GNU from kernel Message-ID: <20001231095741.A284@whizkidtech.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001230113515.04ee97d0@localhost> <20001230122630.A247@whizkidtech.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20001230113515.04ee97d0@localhost> <20001230125703.A239@whizkidtech.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20001230131557.0476d800@localhost> <20001230212924.H37215@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20001230212924.H37215@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 09:29:24PM +0000 Organization: Whiz Kid Technomagic X-URL: http://www.whizkidtech.net/ X-Castle: http://www.redprince.net/ X-Special-Effects: http://www.FilmSFX.com/ X-Operating-System: FreeBSD whizkidtech.net 3.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 09:29:24PM +0000, Ben Smithurst wrote: >For the executables, you just need a patch like this to install(1), I >think. The ideal solution would probably be not to patch our makefiles nor install but gcc/gas so it does not write the version in the output to start with. Alas, that is easier said than done: I have been wading through gcc source code this morning, and found the variable "version_string" which contains the string, but could not find the place where it prints it to the object file. As for the other string ("01.01") that it outputs to every object file, and that even stripping .comment does not remove, I have not found it at all, it is probably created dynamically with sprintf or printf or fprintf, or something like that somewhere. If anyone is more familiar with the inner workings of gcc and knows where this extra output is generated, please speak up. It would be sort of poetic to remove that section straight out of gcc: Under the terms of GNU we can modify the source code any way we want. :) Cheers, Adam -- Apply standard disk lamer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 31 8: 1:32 2000 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 31 08:01:30 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from whizkidtech.net (r46.bfm.org [216.127.220.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D2FF37B400; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 08:01:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from adam@localhost) by whizkidtech.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id KAA00308; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:00:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:00:27 -0600 From: "G. Adam Stanislav" To: Brett Glass Cc: Ben Smithurst , chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Removing GNU from kernel Message-ID: <20001231100027.B284@whizkidtech.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001230131557.0476d800@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20001230113515.04ee97d0@localhost> <20001230122630.A247@whizkidtech.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20001230113515.04ee97d0@localhost> <20001230125703.A239@whizkidtech.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20001230131557.0476d800@localhost> <20001230212924.H37215@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <4.3.2.7.2.20001230171600.04870650@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20001230171600.04870650@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 05:19:30PM -0700 Organization: Whiz Kid Technomagic X-URL: http://www.whizkidtech.net/ X-Castle: http://www.redprince.net/ X-Special-Effects: http://www.FilmSFX.com/ X-Operating-System: FreeBSD whizkidtech.net 3.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 05:19:30PM -0700, Brett Glass wrote: >It's also worth checking the behavior of strip to be sure that >it removes all the other stuff when invoked with "-R", or >if it only removes what you specify in that case. It does. The -R switch tells it to strip a section in addition to everything else it is already doing. Adam -- Cogitans me cogito esse To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 31 8:24:22 2000 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 31 08:24:19 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from goliath.siemens.de (goliath.siemens.de [194.138.37.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53BA337B400 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 08:24:18 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer goliath.siemens.de) Received: from mail3.siemens.de (mail3.siemens.de [139.25.208.14]) by goliath.siemens.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBVGO7H24650; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 17:24:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (curry.mchp.siemens.de [139.25.42.7]) by mail3.siemens.de (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBVGO6V14024706; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 17:24:06 +0100 (MET) Received: (from localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBVGO6046118; Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 17:24:05 +0100 From: Andre Albsmeier To: Andre Albsmeier Cc: Greg Lehey , "G. Adam Stanislav" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removing GNU from kernel Message-ID: <20001231172405.A5383@curry.mchp.siemens.de> References: <20001230122630.A247@whizkidtech.net> <20001231121623.D3496@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20001231124556.A99615@curry.mchp.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001231124556.A99615@curry.mchp.siemens.de>; from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de on Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 12:45:56PM +0100 X-Echelon: BND CIA NSA Mossad KGB MI6 IRA detonator nuclear assault strike Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmm, I have looked around in the gcc sources where the [ASM_FILE_END]GCC: (c) 2.95.2 19991024 (release) line is generated. Interestingly, the generation can be switched off by using -fno-ident as a compiler flag. Just for curiosity, I put -fno-ident in /etc/make.conf and did a make world and built all my kernels. The disk usage of /usr/obj was reduced from 539527 KB to 532649 KB. This is about 7MB. Maybe the compiler gurus can tell if it is a bad idea to use -fno-ident. I haven't seen bad side effects so far. -Andre > On Sun, 31-Dec-2000 at 12:16:23 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > > On Saturday, 30 December 2000 at 12:26:30 -0600, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > > > Several weeks ago, I mentioned how I built my own kernel for the first > > > time, and how happy I was with the result. > > > > > > Still, I noticed the string "GCC: (GNU) 2.7.2.1" appearing in my kernel > > > several hundred times. I decided to try to get rid of it. As root, I typed: > > > > > > # strip -R .comment kernel > > > > > > Sure enough, my kernel was reduced from 1,225,217 bytes to 994,864 bytes. > > > The GNU strings are gone. The kernel still boots just as before. > > > > This is puzzling for a number of reasons. First, the kernel is very > > small by modern standards, even before the stripping. I've just > > checked my last 3.x kernel, and I find: > > > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 grog lemis 9954685 Jun 8 2000 kernel.debug > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root lemis 1778344 Dec 31 12:13 kernel > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root lemis 1770936 Dec 31 12:13 kernel.stripped > > > > The file kernel is kernel.debug stripped normally. And yes, it has a > > few lines of the form GCC: (GNU) 2.7.2.3 in it. The third file is the > > result of stripping the comments; I saved rather over 7 kB. > > Definitely worth doing, so much in fact that we have already done it. > > Here's the some thing on a 5.x kernel; 4.x looks the same: > > > > $ strings -a kernel.debug | grep GNU > > $ > > What does a > > strings -a kernel.debug | grep GCC > > say? I get here (on 4.2): > > $ strings -a kernel.debug | grep GCC | head > [ASM_FILE_END]GCC: (c) 2.95.2 19991024 (release) > [ASM_FILE_END]GCC: (c) 2.95.2 19991024 (release) > [ASM_FILE_END]GCC: (c) 2.95.2 19991024 (release) > [ASM_FILE_END]GCC: (c) 2.95.2 19991024 (release) > [ASM_FILE_END]GCC: (c) 2.95.2 19991024 (release) > [ASM_FILE_END]GCC: (c) 2.95.2 19991024 (release) > [ASM_FILE_END]GCC: (c) 2.95.2 19991024 (release) > [ASM_FILE_END]GCC: (c) 2.95.2 19991024 (release) > [ASM_FILE_END]GCC: (c) 2.95.2 19991024 (release) > [ASM_FILE_END]GCC: (c) 2.95.2 19991024 (release) > $ > > And I can do: > > $ strings -a kernel.debug | grep GCC | wc > 381 1905 18669 > $ > > > Some thoughts: > > $ rm kernel > $ make > objcopy --strip-debug kernel.debug kernel > $ ls -l kernel* > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2218267 Dec 31 12:40 kernel > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 8499829 Dec 31 11:33 kernel.debug > $ objcopy --strip-debug -R .comment kernel.debug kernel > $ ls -l kernel* > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2199151 Dec 31 12:41 kernel > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 8499829 Dec 31 11:33 kernel.debug > $ strings -a kernel | grep GCC > $ > > > -Andre > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- Note: No Microsoft programs were used in the creation or distribution of this message. If you are using a Microsoft program to view or forward this message, be forewarned that I am not responsible for any harm you may encounter as a result. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 31 12:14:59 2000 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 31 12:14:56 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from whizkidtech.net (r6.bfm.org [216.127.220.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B5FF37B400 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:14:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from adam@localhost) by whizkidtech.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id NAA01874; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:56:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:55:29 -0600 From: "G. Adam Stanislav" To: Andre Albsmeier Cc: Greg Lehey , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removing GNU from kernel Message-ID: <20001231135529.A1831@whizkidtech.net> References: <20001230122630.A247@whizkidtech.net> <20001231121623.D3496@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20001231124556.A99615@curry.mchp.siemens.de> <20001231172405.A5383@curry.mchp.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20001231172405.A5383@curry.mchp.siemens.de>; from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de on Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 05:24:05PM +0100 Organization: Whiz Kid Technomagic X-URL: http://www.whizkidtech.net/ X-Castle: http://www.redprince.net/ X-Special-Effects: http://www.FilmSFX.com/ X-Operating-System: FreeBSD whizkidtech.net 3.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 05:24:05PM +0100, Andre Albsmeier wrote: >Just for curiosity, I put -fno-ident in /etc/make.conf and >did a make world and built all my kernels. The disk usage >of /usr/obj was reduced from 539527 KB to 532649 KB. This >is about 7MB. Hmmm... Perhaps gcc changed in the more recent versions then. I tried that (with 3.1-RELEASE) and still got 268 occurances of "GCC: (GNU) 2.7.2.1" in my kernel. I did some further testing, by compiling a dummy C program consisting of only "main() {return 0;}" with gcc -S -fno-ident, and this is what it produced (I am adding a tab at the beginning of each line): .file "t.c" .version "01.01" gcc2_compiled.: .text .p2align 2 .globl main .type main,@function main: pushl %ebp movl %esp,%ebp xorl %eax,%eax jmp .L1 .p2align 2,0x90 .L1: leave ret .Lfe1: .size main,.Lfe1-main .ident "GCC: (GNU) 2.7.2.1" Both, the "01.01" and "GCC: (GNU) 2.7.2.1" are still there. Using gcc -o t -fno-ident t.c produced a file whose hex dump includes: 0000 0046 : 00 47 43 43 3A 20 28 47 | 4E 55 29 20 32 2E 37 2E .GCC: (GNU) 2.7. 0000 0047 : 32 2E 31 00 00 47 43 43 | 3A 20 28 47 4E 55 29 20 2.1..GCC: (GNU) 0000 0048 : 32 2E 37 2E 32 2E 31 00 | 00 47 43 43 3A 20 28 47 2.7.2.1..GCC: (G 0000 0049 : 4E 55 29 20 32 2E 37 2E | 32 2E 31 00 00 47 43 43 NU) 2.7.2.1..GCC 0000 004A : 3A 20 28 47 4E 55 29 20 | 32 2E 37 2E 32 2E 31 00 : (GNU) 2.7.2.1. 0000 004B : 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | 01 00 00 00 30 31 2E 30 ............01.0 0000 004C : 31 00 00 00 08 00 00 00 | 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 1............... 0000 004D : 30 31 2E 30 31 00 00 00 | 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01.01........... 0000 004E : 01 00 00 00 30 31 2E 30 | 31 00 00 00 08 00 00 00 ....01.01....... 0000 004F : 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 | 30 31 2E 30 31 00 00 00 ........01.01... It is there four times! After "strip -R .comment t" the GNU thingie disappeared, but the 01.01 was still there. I then noticed there was a segment named .note in the file. I stripped that, and the 01.01's were gone as well. I then did "strip -R .note kernel" and it further reduced my kernel from 994,864 bytes (with .comment already stripped) to 989,460 bytes. As I have done that while typing this message, I did not try booting with the newly stripped kernel, but will do so after I send this message. What I will do next is rebuild the kernel again, and try "strip -R .comment -R .note kernel" just to see if it all can be done in one pass (I suspect the answer is yes, but I want to test it nonetheless). I shall keep you posted, of course. Adam -- Suppose you were an idiot. Suppose you were a member of Congress. But I'm repeating myself... -- Mark Twain To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 31 12:26:34 2000 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 31 12:26:32 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from whizkidtech.net (rh9.bfm.org [216.127.220.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 574CD37B400 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:26:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from adam@localhost) by whizkidtech.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id OAA00311; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:25:09 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:24:37 -0600 From: "G. Adam Stanislav" To: Andre Albsmeier Cc: Greg Lehey , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removing GNU from kernel Message-ID: <20001231142437.A269@whizkidtech.net> References: <20001230122630.A247@whizkidtech.net> <20001231121623.D3496@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20001231124556.A99615@curry.mchp.siemens.de> <20001231172405.A5383@curry.mchp.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20001231172405.A5383@curry.mchp.siemens.de>; from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de on Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 05:24:05PM +0100 Organization: Whiz Kid Technomagic X-URL: http://www.whizkidtech.net/ X-Castle: http://www.redprince.net/ X-Special-Effects: http://www.FilmSFX.com/ X-Operating-System: FreeBSD whizkidtech.net 3.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 05:24:05PM +0100, Andre Albsmeier wrote: OK, here's my update. I did: "strip -R .comment -R .note kernel" It did strip it all in one pass. I rebooted with the new kernel. It gave me an error message: "kvm_mkdb: /kernel: stripped: Inappropriate file type or format" Other than that, everything seems working as usual. I loaded X Window just to see if there are any problems, but everything worked. I am going to keep the stripped version for a while and see if anything unusual happens. Adam -- This signature intentionally left blank To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Dec 31 23:38:47 2000 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 31 23:38:44 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 671A637B400 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 23:38:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 83DF3574D5; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 01:39:17 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 01:39:17 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: [fwd] Who wants to marry a software engineer Message-ID: <20010101013917.B47665@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: keichii@peorth.iteration.net Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This got to me through the usual employee forwarding loops, I edited the '>' lines and such. ===== Hot on the heels of the success of the show, "Who Wants to Marry a Multi-Millionaire?" welcome to "Who Wants to Marry a Software Engineer?" Silicon Valley's newest game show. Here's your contestant questionnaire... 1) What quality do you value most in your partner? a) A sense of humor b) Emotional maturity. c) High bandwidth. 2) When you get home at the end of the day, you like to: a) Turn on the Silicon Valley Business report, and eat dinner. b) Hook up to your ISP, and check out the hit count on your web page. c) Recharge your cell phone, laptop, and wireless modem, change batteries on your pager, and resynchronize your Palm Pilot and home computer. 3) Your ideal partner is: a) Interesting and attractive. b) Emotionally mature and understanding. c) Extensible and polymorphic. 4) In spiritually difficult times, you often turn to: a) Dilbert b) Kernighan and Ritchie c) comp.lang.c++ 5) If go over to your partner's place and think its a mess, you would: a) Complain to him/her, and tell them to tidy up. b) Call a maid service. c) Make clean 6) What kind of car would you like to buy next, and why? a) A BMW, because people will see that I am rich and successful. b) A Jeep, because it's youthful, rugged, and won't break down. c) A Honda because the engine control computer can be hacked for more horsepower. 7) If your partner comes home from work complaining bitterly about hisboss, you will: a) Give him a hug, pour him a drink, and tell him you love him. b) Commiserate about how unfair managers can be. c) Forge the boss's e-mail address, and subscribe him to 17 pornography mailing lists. 8) Name the 4 essential food groups: a) Fruit, vegetables, meat, dairy. b) Coffee, chocolate, takeout, ice cream. c) rec.food.cooking, rec.food.veg, ba.food, alt.food.chocolate 9) You like to travel with your partner because: a) You share new experiences together. b) You learn about each other in different situations. c) You get more use out of your wireless modem. 10) How would you describe your attitude towards religion? a) "I'm not particularly religious." b) "I believe in emacs, but can use vi." c) "I think emacs can be configured as a full IDE." 11) You think a relationship is ready for a permanent commitment because: a) You've successfully struggled through several years of good and bad times. b) You're already living together, so you might as well tie the knot. c) You finally got your local network configured just right. 12) If you and your partner got married, you would want to: a) Keep your last name. b) Change your last name. c) Combine your names with a hyphen. d) Combine your names with an underscore. 13) You and your partner think it's time to have children when: a) Your stock options are vested. b) You've agreed on the requirements and design. c) You've come up with a good naming convention. d) You really understand the use of multiple inheritance. -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message