From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 14 0: 2:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f286.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BD4C637BAA3 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 00:02:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yanraiwelcome@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 9848 invoked by uid 0); 14 May 2000 07:02:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20000514070227.9847.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 205.162.108.115 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 May 2000 00:02:27 PDT X-Originating-IP: [205.162.108.115] From: "Yon Thulung_rai" To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: I couldn't install FreeBSD 3.4 help Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 00:02:27 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello; I bought the FreeBSD version 3.4 from Walnut Creek a while ago and I am trying to install it but I couldn't because my CD-ROM doesn't function. My cd-rom is Toshiba brand; how can I make it compatiable to install FreeBSD. I did every thing as a book says but nothing work. I made two floppies and the pc boots up and runs untill installation types then I chose visual-mode. Second I chose novice then error comes up and says disk not found. Press Enter nothing happens I did try many ways but non of them works. Well, the hard disk had the FreeBSD 3.2 already which it didn't have much options so I decided to buy full version of it. Now I can't install it. Thanks for help yan rai ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 14 0:44:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (brisba6.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.66.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F297937B6A1 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 00:44:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA13211; Sun, 14 May 2000 17:44:23 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "ROADRUNNER" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdH13209; Sun May 14 17:44:21 2000 Message-ID: <00bf01bfbd78$a4f925e0$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> From: "Doug Young" To: "Yon Thulung_rai" , References: <20000514070227.9847.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: I couldn't install FreeBSD 3.4 help Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:45:59 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You can install from floppies (everything you need is on the CD), the "official" instructions for making the floppies are the handbook (www.freebsd.org), various other newbie and tutorial material at the same site & also the "Complete FreeBSD". Both the manual & the Complete FreeBSD are better than average docs, although they do assume a fair degree of unix experience. As for "unofficial" documentation, I've written a really pedantic guide for newbies installing from floppies, the intention of which was to make it easier for those with NO prior knowledge at http://www.apana.org.au/FreeBSD/FreeBSD_Tutorial/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yon Thulung_rai" To: Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 5:02 PM Subject: I couldn't install FreeBSD 3.4 help > Hello; > > I bought the FreeBSD version 3.4 from Walnut Creek a while ago and I am > trying to install it but I couldn't because my CD-ROM doesn't function. My > cd-rom is Toshiba brand; how can I make it compatiable to install FreeBSD. > I did every thing as a book says but nothing work. > > I made two floppies and the pc boots up and runs untill installation types > then I chose visual-mode. Second I chose novice then error comes up and says > disk not found. Press Enter nothing happens > > I did try many ways but non of them works. Well, the hard disk had the > FreeBSD 3.2 already which it didn't have much options so I decided to buy > full version of it. Now I can't install it. > > Thanks for help > yan rai > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 14 3: 3:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from columbus.cris.net (columbus.cris.net [212.110.128.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C1F37B63D; Sun, 14 May 2000 03:03:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phantom@FreeBSD.org.ua) Received: from phantom.cris.net (phantom.cris.net [212.110.130.74]) by columbus.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA68767; Sun, 14 May 2000 13:02:50 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by phantom.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01632; Sun, 14 May 2000 13:03:56 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from phantom) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 13:03:56 +0300 From: Alexey Zelkin To: Nik Clayton Cc: Eric Ogren , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removing 2.X entries from FAQ? Message-ID: <20000514130356.B1584@phantom.cris.net> References: <20000510203339.A7861@earthlink.net> <20000511131342.A72612@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000511131342.A72612@catkin.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, May 11, 2000 at 01:13:42PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 01:13:42PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > I can appreciate that people don't want to have to read through stuff > that's not directly appropriate to them. There are proposals on the table > to work through this in a more SGMLish way. Take a look through the > doc mailing list archives for threads started by me that have the string > "osversionmin" in them, to see one proposal on how to handle things, and > prototype tools on how to implement it. Does it mean that we will have three different FAQ/handbook/etc versions ? First where $osvresion == 2.2, second - $osversion == 3, third - $osversion == 4. I undertstand how this way will be applied to docs which ship with RELEASE, but I not sure about On-Line Docs way (read www) -- /* Alexey Zelkin && phantom@cris.net */ /* Tavric National University && phantom@crimea.edu */ /* http://www.ccssu.crimea.ua/~phantom && phantom@FreeBSD.org */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 14 3:10:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93BA837BD5C for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 03:10:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id DAA08818; Sun, 14 May 2000 03:10:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from happy.checkpoint.com (happy.checkpoint.com [199.203.156.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D2C37B63D for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 03:08:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mellon@happy.checkpoint.com) Received: (from mellon@localhost) by happy.checkpoint.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21489; Sun, 14 May 2000 13:09:03 GMT (envelope-from mellon) Message-Id: <200005141309.NAA21489@happy.checkpoint.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 13:09:03 GMT From: mellon@pobox.com Reply-To: mellon@pobox.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18543: mount_null(8) manpage typos. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18543 >Category: docs >Synopsis: mount_null(8) manpage typos. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun May 14 03:10:06 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Anatoly Vorobey >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: 5.0-CURRENT >Description: Manpage typos. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Index: mount_null.8 =================================================================== RCS file: /freebsd/cvs/src/sbin/mount_null/mount_null.8,v retrieving revision 1.11 diff -u -r1.11 mount_null.8 --- mount_null.8 1999/08/28 00:13:33 1.11 +++ mount_null.8 2000/05/14 13:05:49 @@ -71,11 +71,11 @@ .Nm filesystem differs from a traditional loopback file system in two respects: it is implemented using -a stackable layers techniques, and it's +a stackable layers techniques, and its .Do null-node -.Dc s -stack above +.Dc is +stacked above all lower-layer vnodes, not just over directory vnodes. .Pp The options are as follows: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 14 9:20: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFFB37B81F for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 09:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA21484; Sun, 14 May 2000 09:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mailgw1.be.to (mailgw1.be.to [210.235.212.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A750A37B73A for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 09:17:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from okazaki@be.to) Received: from mail1.be.to (mail1.be.to [210.235.212.2]) by mailgw1.be.to (8.9.3+3.2W/BETO.2.1-2000050921000035) with ESMTP id BAA10263 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 01:17:49 +0900 Received: from localhost (ppp12-Mobara1.mtci.ne.jp [210.172.1.214]) by mail1.be.to (8.9.3+3.2W/BETO.2.0-2000050215000000) with SMTP id BAA26025 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 01:17:44 +0900 Received: (qmail 21777 invoked by uid 1001); 14 May 2000 16:15:20 -0000 Message-Id: <20000514161520.21776.qmail@dolphin.be.to> Date: 14 May 2000 16:15:20 -0000 From: okazaki@be.to Reply-To: okazaki@be.to To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18547: Typo in setkey(8) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18547 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Typo in setkey(8) >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun May 14 09:20:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: OKAZAKI Tetsurou >Release: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 >Organization: Unknown >Environment: $Id: setkey.8,v 1.14 1999/10/27 17:08:58 sakane Exp $ $FreeBSD: src/usr.sbin/setkey/setkey.8,v 1.6 2000/05/06 14:20:07 phantom Exp $ >Description: Typo in setkey(8). The argument `ealgo' is used for authentication algorithm. >How-To-Repeat: man setkey >Fix: Please apply the following patch. Index: setkey.8 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/FreeBSD/src/usr.sbin/setkey/setkey.8,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.6 setkey.8 --- setkey.8 2000/05/06 14:20:07 1.6 +++ setkey.8 2000/05/14 11:03:03 @@ -259,7 +259,7 @@ .Bl -tag -width Fl -compact .It Fl E Ar ealgo Ar key Specify encryption algorithm. -.It Fl A Ar ealgo Ar key +.It Fl A Ar aalgo Ar key Specify authentication algorithm. If .Fl A >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 14 13: 0: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29D437B6F8 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 13:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id NAA56861; Sun, 14 May 2000 13:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from orthanc.ab.ca (orthanc.ab.ca [207.167.3.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0F937B6F8 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 12:56:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ab.ca) Received: (from lyndon@localhost) by orthanc.ab.ca (8.10.0.Beta11/8.10.0.Beta6) id e4EJuVM87057; Sun, 14 May 2000 13:56:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200005141956.e4EJuVM87057@orthanc.ab.ca> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 13:56:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Lyndon Nerenberg Reply-To: lyndon@orthanc.ab.ca To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18551: Out-of-date email link on contributors page Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18551 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Out-of-date email link on contributors page >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun May 14 13:00:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Lyndon Nerenberg >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: The Frobozz Magic Homing Pigeon Company >Environment: >Description: The contributors page has a stale mailto: link for me. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: In http://www.ca.freebsd.org/handbook/contrib-additional.html: s/lyndon@orthanc.com/lyndon@orthanc.ab.ca/ >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 14 13: 6:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706EA37B506; Sun, 14 May 2000 13:06:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nbm@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id NAA58513; Sun, 14 May 2000 13:06:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 13:06:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005142006.NAA58513@freefall.freebsd.org> To: lyndon@orthanc.ab.ca, nbm@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18551 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Out-of-date email link on contributors page State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nbm State-Changed-When: Sun May 14 13:06:16 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Address updated, thanks! 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFBE4D.D3FB8A60-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 15 1:57:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from draenor.org (draenor.org [196.36.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2DE37B5CB; Mon, 15 May 2000 01:57:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcs@draenor.org) Received: from marcs by draenor.org with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12rGhD-000DSu-00; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:57:51 +0200 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:57:51 +0200 From: Marc Silver To: Nik Clayton Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ipfw and nat over ppp documentation Message-ID: <20000515105751.H47098@draenor.org> References: <20000414210740.U19472@draenor.org> <20000421194133.C30157@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000421194133.C30157@catkin.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 07:41:33PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey Nik, ( and others ) > Thanks for this. However. . . (there's always a "however" :-) ) > > I've got a couple of questions. Perhaps if you could answer them in the > document it would be more useful? I have answered all these questions on the website (http://draenor.org/ipfw) but have put them here for convenience as well. > 1. Why are you using natd, instead of PPP's built in address translation > facilities? What are the pros and cons of each? Answer: I'll have to be honest and say there's no definitive reason why I use ipfw and natd instead of the built in ppp filters. From the discussions I've had with people the consensus seems to be that while ipfw is certainly more powerful and more configurable than the ppp filters, what it makes up for in functionality it loses in being easy to customise. One of the reasons I use it is because I prefer firewalling to be done at a kernel level rather than by a userland program. (is that answer ok -- I wasn't sure what you wanted from this one) > 2. [ This is the kicker ] Suppose you're using nat (either in PPP, or > with natd) to run some private net IP addresses internally. How do > you firewall them? > > It's my understanding (and I haven't done this, so I could be wrong) > that if you are using 192.168.1/24 internally then you can't do > something like > > $fwcmd add deny all from any to 192.168.0.0:255.255.0.0 via tun0 > > as the address translation happens to incoming packets *before* the > firewall gets to intercept them. Answer: The simple answer is No. The reason for this is that natd is doing address translation for ANYTHING being diverted through the tun0 device. As far as it's concerned incoming packets will speak only to the dynamically assigned IP address and NOT to the internal network. Note though that you can add a rule like "$fwcmd add deny all from 192.168.0.4:255.255.0.0 to any via tun0" which would limit a host on your internal network from going out via the firewall. > 3. From a text point of view it looks fine. Would you care to run it > past some people on the security mailing list, so they can make sure > the advice is sound from a security perspective as well? I have mailed this to freebsd-security and the general answer was that the rules are secure. There were one or two suggestions on how to improve rules, and I have integrated those that were relevant. > Any thoughts? And thanks for taking the time to write this up. Thank you for taking the time to look at it. Will you let me know if you can use this at all? Cheers, Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 15 3:55:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from usb.dipt.donetsk.ua (usb.dipt.donetsk.ua [195.184.192.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB5637B73C for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 03:55:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@udcm.cbsd.donetsk.ua) Received: (from smap@localhost) by usb.dipt.donetsk.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA51747 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:55:36 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from john@udcm.cbsd.donetsk.ua) X-Authentication-Warning: usb.dipt.donetsk.ua: smap set sender to using -f Received: from (cb.udcm.cbsd.donetsk.ua [10.4.65.55]) by usb.dipt.donetsk.ua via smap (V2.1) id xma051742; Mon, 15 May 00 13:55:16 +0300 Received: from john (john.udcm.cbsd.donetsk.ua [10.4.65.36]) by cb.udcm.cbsd.donetsk.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA59468 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:55:15 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from john@udcm.cbsd.donetsk.ua) Message-ID: <022c01bfbe64$48770570$2441040a@udcm.cbsd.donetsk.ua> Reply-To: =?koi8-r?B?/sXSzs/XIOXXx8XOycogIPfBzMXS2MXXyd4=?= From: =?koi8-r?B?/sXSzs/XIOXXx8XOycogIPfBzMXS2MXXyd4=?= To: Subject: Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:54:10 +0300 Organization: =?koi8-r?B?89DFw8/UxMXMxc7JxSD1y9Lzz8Piwc7LwSDHLuTPzsXDyw==?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org DQo= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 15 4:20: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120BC37B59A for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 04:20:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id EAA03902; Mon, 15 May 2000 04:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from bulls.mei.co.jp (bulls.mei.co.jp [202.224.189.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05FD37B59C for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 04:18:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from takamune@mariners.mei.co.jp) Received: by bulls.mei.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id UAA13764 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:18:02 +0900 (JST) Received: by mariners.mei.co.jp (8.9.1/3.7W) with ESMTP id UAA24709 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:18:02 +0900 (JST) Received: by dream.vrl.mei.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-11/29/99) id UAA47763; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:18:02 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200005151118.UAA47763@dream.vrl.mei.co.jp> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 20:18:02 +0900 (JST) From: takamune@avrl.mei.co.jp Reply-To: takamune@avrl.mei.co.jp To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18562: Revice ntpq.8 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18562 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Name section of ntptrace.8 is broken. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon May 15 04:20:02 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Kazu TAKAMUNE >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd. >Environment: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE(Fri May 12 13:57:07 JST 2000) .\" $FreeBSD: src/usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntpq.8,v 1.3.2.1 2000/03/20 12:07:27 sheldonh Exp $ >Description: `% man 8 ntpq' shows followings. debug more | less | Ic0 ntpversion 1 | 2 | Ic00Ic11Ic22Ic3 >How-To-Repeat: % man 8 ntpq >Fix: 1) Macros accept up to nine arguments. Use `.Xo' and `.Xc' extended argument list macros. 2) Remove white spaces before end of line. Index: usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntpq.8 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntpq.8,v retrieving revision 1.3.2.1 diff -u -r1.3.2.1 ntpq.8 --- usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntpq.8 2000/03/20 12:07:27 1.3.2.1 +++ usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntpq.8 2000/05/15 10:00:00 @@ -189,7 +189,9 @@ thinks should have a decodeable value but didn't are marked with a trailing .Qq ? Ns . -.It Ic debug Ar more | Ar less | Ar off +.It Xo Ic debug +.Ar more | Ar less | Ar off +.Xc Turn internal query program debugging on and off. .It Ic delay Ar milliseconds Specify a time interval to be added to timestamps included in requests @@ -226,7 +228,10 @@ authenticate configuration requests. This must correspond to a key number the server has been configured to use for this purpose. -.It Ic ntpversion Ar 1 | Ar 2 | Ar 3 | Ar 4 +.It Xo Ic ntpversion +.Ar 1 | Ar 2 | +.Ar 3 | Ar 4 +.Xc Set the NTP version number which .Nm claims in packets. @@ -293,7 +298,7 @@ returned by the server and the third the status word for the peer. This is followed by a number of columns containing data decoded from the status word. -Note that the data returned by the +Note that the data returned by the .Ic associations command is cached internally in .Nm Ns . @@ -552,7 +557,7 @@ .Pf [ Aq variable_name Ns .Op = Ns Aq value Ns .Op ,...] -.Xc +.Xc Requests that the values of the specified variables be returned by the server by sending a read variables request. If the association ID is >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 15 4:21:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD8237B59C for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 04:21:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA82678 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:59:22 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by kilt.nothing-going-on.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01127 for doc@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:10:26 GMT (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:10:26 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Two new doc/ sub-directories Message-ID: <20000512141026.A1091@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks, I'm thinking about adding two new sub-directories to doc/ bin/ For any scripts we use to make things easier. For example, I've got a script (co-written with Alexey Zelkin) to help automate the FTP site build. ftp/ For additional content that goes on the FTP site, but that doesn't fit in the existing structure anywhere. For example, the README file in pub/FreeBSD/doc/. I think adding "bin/" is a no-brainer. I'm not so sure about ftp/ (or whether or not that's a good name). Comments welcome. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 15 4:22:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F6137B59C for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 04:22:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA82685 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:59:22 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by kilt.nothing-going-on.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01157 for doc@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:28:23 GMT (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:28:23 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Including non-DocBook documents in the tree Message-ID: <20000512142823.B1091@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks, I'm wary of doing this, but. . . what are people's thoughts on including non-DocBook documents in the tree AS A TEMPORARY MEASURE (sorry for shouting, but I want to make sure that point comes across). I'm going through my collection of "e-mail that demanded more attention than I could pay to it at the time", catching up on things I haven't replied to yet. This includes some stuff sent to me for the doc project, as well as stuff sent to to the -doc mailing list. A reasonable chunk of it is people offering up documentation that they've written (in plain text, or HTML, or LaTeX), asking what to do with it now. I think it's fairly clear that the current policy of "let anyone who's interested in converting it to DocBook do so before we bring it in to the tree" isn't actually doing a great job of encouraging people to write documentation. Nor is it leading to a great increase in the amount of documentation in our tree. In fact, it's almost certainly turning people away from the project, as they see their submission sit in the PR bin, or in someone's in-box, apparently ignored. This is my fault. So, how about bringing in non-DocBook documents to the tree. I expect the majority of these to be HTML. We would put them in the books/ or articles/ subdirectory as appropriate (depending on whether we think they are likely to be converted in to a DocBook or
), where they can sit. We'll need a doc.html.mk or equivalent, which can handle turning the docs in to other formats where possible -- some formats we might ignore, because it might not be feasible to do it (html2pdf? No idea if it's a solved problem or not). As long as doc.html.mk supports the standard targets (install, all, clean, package...) we can use the docs. And then when someone's looking for something to do, we can say "Pick one of the docs currently using doc.html.mk, convert it to DocBook, and commit it". N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 15 4:23: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0B437B5B5; Mon, 15 May 2000 04:22:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA82686; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:59:22 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by kilt.nothing-going-on.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00725; Fri, 12 May 2000 13:02:08 GMT (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 13:02:08 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Nik Clayton Cc: Mark Ovens , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Porter-handbook not being built Message-ID: <20000512130208.A709@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000504175920.A299@parish> <20000505015902.A48362@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000505015902.A48362@kilt.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Fri, May 05, 2000 at 01:59:02AM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, May 05, 2000 at 01:59:02AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > If I don't get my head wrapped around by the end of next week > then I'll turn on the build -- in the mean time people can commit to > the copy in the big Handbook, and I'll make sure that the changes are > merged over as necessary. OK. Well, I've failed to get my head wrapped around . As a last resort I've got an e-mail out to some knowledgable people, to find out whether or not it's actually going to be possible to do what I want. Either way, it'll be turned on in the build on Wednesday. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 15 4:24:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6000737B616; Mon, 15 May 2000 04:24:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA82687; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:59:23 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by kilt.nothing-going-on.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00288; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:03:36 GMT (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:03:36 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Brooks Davis Cc: Sean Kelly , Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven , Nik Clayton , jkoshy@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Including images in the documentation Message-ID: <20000512120336.A253@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000509143555.A1692@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <200005100942.CAA34333@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000511005914.A85566@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20000511103919.I25150@lucifer.bart.nl> <013e01bfbb9e$93afebb0$24d39580@jpl.nasa.gov> <20000511165534.A24554@orion.ac.hmc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000511165534.A24554@orion.ac.hmc.edu>; from brooks@one-eyed-alien.net on Thu, May 11, 2000 at 04:55:34PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 04:55:34PM -0700, Brooks Davis wrote: > On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 04:13:52PM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote: > > Which would depend on a bunch of the XML processing tools, too, since the > > SVG DTD is an XML application, not SGML. (Which would be fine by me ... > > I've got plenty of disk space, and plenty of XML tools installed already. > > :-) > > It's a way's off, but we'll almost certaintly convert for SGML to XML > someday for the simple reason that DocBook is doing that. Someday, but not any time soon (I think). As long as XML remains as a subset of SGML we're fine. There are also things you just can't do in XML that you can do in SGML (I'm thinking of things like This content will only appear in the HTML version. ]]> which I don't believe you can do. DocBook 5.0 (the XML one) is still probably 18 months away, so we've got some time. If nothing else, we need the toolset to mature. You can use 'sx' to convert from SGML to XML -- if anyone's got the time and inclination I'd be interested to find out what's involved in taking the Handbook, converting it to XML, and then producing PS, PDF, RTF, and HTML from it, using existing XML tools. How involved is the process, what ports are required, and how big are they? > I don't think it would be unreasionale to have a NO_IMAGES make variable > to allow people do build docs with the images stripped out (and thus > without the SVG tools). Agreed. Actually, this is probably a good way to ensure that people include meaning full s in their s Basically, a consists contains one or more s, and an optional (which contains s, and other stuff, see the DTD for more details). We're going to need meaningful s anyway, for the plain text doc build. In order to do this we're going to need support from the stylesheets, so that we can do something like jade -V noimages ... to tell the stylesheets to use in preference to . I've already put out an RFE to Norm about this (via the docbook-apps mailing list). > I don't think we'll be embeding ASCII art version of raster images in > the text format of the docs anyway. (The idea of a text copy of the > handbook with an ASCII picture of Nik doing his Peter Norton impression > is just a weird image. ;-) pbm2ascii. . . Joking aside, the plain text version could start with an ASCII art daemon, snarfed from the Daemon screensaver. . . > > As for EPS as the superformat ... well, I like the simplicity of having a > > single storage format, but it's not always plain text, if I recall > > correctly. PostScript Level 2 (and up) allows bitmap images in an EPS file > > to be encoded using a variety of different mechanisms, some of the binary > > (right?). > > Raster and vector data have so little in common that is seems like a > very bad idea to try to have a single representation. Vector data seems > to be a good fit for a human editable text system like SVG, but raster > data just begs for a compressed, packed binary format like PNG. I agree. Which is unsurprising, as it's basically what I said at the end of my first message (although I didn't realise that dia used the SVG DTD). Is there an svg2eps tool we can use. OK, I know I can look it up myself, but there's only so many hours in the day. On a similar note, and something that's just occured to me -- I *think* we're trail-blazing here, in that I don't believe the other free doc projects (LDP, GnomeDoc, etc) have seriously tackled this yet. BICBW, so if someone would like to go off and do the leg work to investigate this and report back, perhaps we can just steal their implementation^W^W^Wleverage their work in a FreeBSD context. . . N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 15 4:27:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B0D837B8EB; Mon, 15 May 2000 04:27:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from sheldonh@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id EAA06780; Mon, 15 May 2000 04:27:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 04:27:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005151127.EAA06780@freefall.freebsd.org> To: sheldonh@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, sheldonh@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/18562 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Name section of ntptrace.8 is broken. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->sheldonh Responsible-Changed-By: sheldonh Responsible-Changed-When: Mon May 15 04:27:16 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: My bad. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 15 4:36:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.ops.uunet.co.za (axl.ops.uunet.co.za [196.31.2.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC03737B59C; Mon, 15 May 2000 04:36:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.ops.uunet.co.za) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.ops.uunet.co.za) by axl.ops.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12rJAd-0004Gj-00; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:36:23 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Including non-DocBook documents in the tree In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 May 2000 14:28:23 GMT." <20000512142823.B1091@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:36:23 +0200 Message-ID: <16412.958390583@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 12 May 2000 14:28:23 GMT, Nik Clayton wrote: > So, how about bringing in non-DocBook documents to the tree. I expect > the majority of these to be HTML. Like The Design Overview of 4.4BSD? :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 15 4:41:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from imail3.pica.army.mil (imail3.pica.army.mil [129.139.10.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93F237B50C for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 04:41:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from onguyen@pica.army.mil) Received: by imail3.pica.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 15 May 2000 07:40:55 -0400 Message-ID: <53EB67411602D211846900A0C9C7647A0784E95E@mail3.pica.army.mil> From: "Nguyen, Olivier T [AMSTA-AR-CCF-D]" To: 'Lycee Colette' , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: RE: Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 07:41:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFBE62.8364B170" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. 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Pls, send some your documents to nguyenlieu@hcm.vnn.vn
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01BFBE62.8364B170-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 15 4:52:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D981537B626; Mon, 15 May 2000 04:52:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 12rJPb-0007v4-00; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:51:51 +0200 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 13:51:51 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Two new doc/ sub-directories Message-ID: <20000515135150.A30417@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <20000512141026.A1091@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000512141026.A1091@kilt.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Fri, May 12, 2000 at 02:10:26PM +0000 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri 2000-05-12 (14:10), Nik Clayton wrote: > I'm thinking about adding two new sub-directories to doc/ > > bin/ For any scripts we use to make things easier. For example, > I've got a script (co-written with Alexey Zelkin) to help > automate the FTP site build. I'd prefer it under "share/", personally. share/scripts, or something like that. You have to get it already anyway. > ftp/ For additional content that goes on the FTP site, but > that doesn't fit in the existing structure anywhere. For > example, the README file in pub/FreeBSD/doc/. > > I think adding "bin/" is a no-brainer. I'm not so sure about ftp/ (or > whether or not that's a good name). Comments welcome. Again, under "share/" would be my recommendation. share/ftp could be survivable. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Alpha Geek, Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 15 6:12:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from svan18.sannet.ne.jp (svan18.sannet.ne.jp [134.180.49.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7340337B6C2 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 06:12:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yanagihara@sannet.ne.jp) Received: from CYK42095 (max3-ppp44.sumoto.sannet.ne.jp [210.157.213.187]) by svan18.sannet.ne.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/SANNET-MAIN/BUILD(00/02/07-00:49)) with SMTP id WAA05367; Mon, 15 May 2000 22:12:00 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200005151312.WAA05367@svan18.sannet.ne.jp> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:11:21 +0900 From: Kousaku Yanagihara Subject: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQ2MhOSRHJDkkLCEjGyhC?= To: doc@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: Datula version 1.22.06 for Windows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org $B=i$a$^$7$F!"Lx86$H?=$7$^$9!#(B $B8E$$%N!<%H%Q%=%3%s$r;H$C$F%M%C%H%o!<%/$rAH$s$G!"(BTCP/IP$B$NJY6/$r$7$?$$$H(B $B;W$$!"(BFreeBSD$B$r%$%s%9%H!<%k$9$Y$/%I%-%e%a%s%H$rFI$^$;$F$$$?$@$$$F$*$j(B $B$^$9!#!J(BFreeBSD$B$N$_$J$i$:(BUN*X$B=i?4$l$N%G%#%l%/%H%j$NMQES!J"b@3(B $B$_J,$1!K$,M}2r$G$-$:!"$=$N@bL@$rC5$7$F$$$k$H$3$m$G$9!#!K(B # $B$5$F!"Cc!9$G$9$,!"5$$K$J$C$?$3$H$,$"$j$^$9!#(B FreeBSD$B%O%s%I%V%C%/(B Chapter2. 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Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:13:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org whoa, very nice font. but i can't read -----Original Message----- From: Kousaku Yanagihara [mailto:yanagihara@sannet.ne.jp] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 9:11 AM To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: ?????? $B=i$a$^$7$F!"Lx86$H?=$7$^$9!#(J $B8E$$%N!<%H%Q%=%3%s$r;H$C$F%M%C%H%o!<%/$rAH$s$G!"(JTCP/IP$B$NJY6/$r$7$?$$$H(J $B;W$$!"(JFreeBSD$B$r%$%s%9%H!<%k$9$Y$/%I%-%e%a%s%H$rFI$^$;$F$$$?$@$$$F$*$j(J $B$^$9!#!J(JFreeBSD$B$N$_$J$i$:(JUN*X$B=i?4$l$N%G%#%l%/%H%j$NMQES!J"b@3(J $B$_J,$1!K$,M}2r$G$-$:!"$=$N@bL@$rC5$7$F$$$k$H$3$m$G$9!#!K(J # $B$5$F!"Cc!9$G$9$,!"5$$K$J$C$?$3$H$,$"$j$^$9!#(J FreeBSD$B%O%s%I%V%C%/(J Chapter2. FreeBSD$B$N%$%s%9%H!<%k(J (http://www.jp.freebsd.org/www.FreeBSD.org/ja/handbook/x806.html) $B$K!"!X4WOC5YBj!Y$H$$$&8@MU$,;H$o$l$F$$$^$9$,!"$J$s$@$+$7$C$/$j$-$^$;$s!#(J $B!X4WOC5YBj!Y$H$O!XL5BLOC$r$d$a$FK\Bj$KF~$k!Y$H$$$&0UL#$G$9$,!"$3$N8@MU(J $B$N8e$KB3$/J8>O$rFI$s$G$_$k$H!"%$%s%9%H!<%k$N\$7$$!KK\J8$+$i>/$7N%$l$?!YJ8>O!JMWLs!K$K$J$C$F$$$k(J $B$h$&$G$9!#(J $B$J$<$7$C$/$j$3$J$$$+$H$$$&$H!"(J >$B4WOC5YBj(J. $B$3$3$K(J, ``$BE57?E*$J%$%s%9%H!<%k$N$B$G(J, $B$*Lr$K$?$F$k$b$N$H;W$$$^$9(J. $B$H$$$&J8>O$r!"!X4WOC5YBj!Y$r;H$o$:$K=q$-49$($k$H!"(J $B!V$@$i$@$i$HL5BL$JOC$r$7$F$-$^$7$?$,!"$d$C$H$3$3$+$i$,K\Bj$G$9!#$3$3$K(J, ``$BE57?E*$J%$%s%9%H!<%k$N; Mon, 15 May 2000 06:16:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id PAA19968; Mon, 15 May 2000 15:15:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 12rKhu-0005SA-00 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 15:14:50 +0200 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:14:50 +0200 From: Szilveszter Adam To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Including non-DocBook documents in the tree Message-ID: <20000515151450.A17589@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: doc@freebsd.org References: <20000512142823.B1091@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000512142823.B1091@kilt.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Fri, May 12, 2000 at 02:28:23PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! On Fri, May 12, 2000 at 02:28:23PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > handle turning the docs in to other formats where possible -- some formats > we might ignore, because it might not be feasible to do it (html2pdf? No > idea if it's a solved problem or not). Ignoring formats would be a wrong way to go IMHO. (and not just becuase if our docs support PS, there isn't much trouble in making a printed book out of it:-) One of the strenghts of this project has been the tightly-knit integrated document conversion system. (Save for layouting, it could even be used to produce a newspaper both in print and on the web from the same article sources, for example) I think we should retain this for as long as is possible. With that said, my ideas for this interim period: - Submission is: HTML. - Output is: ASCII. HTML->script to strip tags. LaTeX HTML->html2latex from ports (less than perfect) PDF HTML->html2latex->dvi->dvipdfm PS HTML->html2latex->dvi->dvips or html2ps from ports - Submission is: LaTeX. - output is: ASCII .tex->detex from ports PS, PDF: see above HTML: latex2html from ports. - Submission is: ASCII Well, in this case there is no workaround, I think. Someone needs to mark it up somehow. However, I am thinking what this would mean to translators and whetether in this way we could retain the flexible modular document structure that is in place now, because I'm afraid those docs will be sitting around there for a while in their "interim" stage.... but I am not the person to comment on this so I am just thinking... BTW I think we are pretty much the forerunners of this among free software projects, so we are on our own, kinda... Sorry for bothering! Cheers: Szilveszter ADAM Szeged University Szeged Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 15 7:14:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F9237B578; Mon, 15 May 2000 07:14:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from hoek@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA20492; Mon, 15 May 2000 07:14:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 07:14:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005151414.HAA20492@freefall.freebsd.org> To: okazaki@be.to, hoek@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18547 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Typo in setkey(8) State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: hoek State-Changed-When: Mon May 15 07:14:05 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Patch applied, Thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 15 7:50:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0406037B7D0; Mon, 15 May 2000 07:50:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from hoek@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA27283; Mon, 15 May 2000 07:50:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 07:50:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005151450.HAA27283@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mellon@pobox.com, hoek@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18543 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: mount_null(8) manpage typos. State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: hoek State-Changed-When: Mon May 15 07:50:31 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Fixed, thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 15 11: 0:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF6637B70E for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:00:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA63273 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:00:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005151800.LAA63273@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated. f - feedback The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a patch or a fix has been committed. The PR remains in this state pending a response from the originator. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested. Critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2000/04/23] docs/18177 doc [Patch] print message was wrong about PC- 1 problem total. Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2000/02/08] docs/16585 doc no info documentation for nm (binutils) i o [2000/05/04] docs/18385 doc Handbook: Some ISDN cards not supported i o [2000/05/12] docs/18523 doc Mispelling on www.freebsd.org 3 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [1999/02/25] docs/10240 doc We need a script which check if our web m o [1999/04/07] docs/10997 doc Problem with query-pr-summary.cgi o [1999/08/28] docs/13441 doc incorrect path in SGML_CATALOG_FILES env o [1999/08/28] docs/13442 doc docproj-primer does not mention where to o [1999/09/17] docs/13792 doc Difficult to find documentation of "secur o [1999/09/19] docs/13815 doc Out-of-date FAQ entries o [1999/09/25] docs/13950 doc webpage idea o [1999/09/25] docs/13967 doc FreeBSD Related Publications in Korea f [1999/09/29] docs/14035 doc tzfile.h referenced in tzfile(5) doesn't o [1999/10/06] docs/14158 doc md5(1) manpage should not claim the md5 a o [1999/10/25] docs/14532 doc Much of cam_cdbparse(3) prints in Courier o [1999/10/27] docs/14563 doc Wrong manpage produced by `man 4 fd' o [1999/10/27] docs/14565 doc ioctl() codes for device type `fd' (flopp o [1999/11/03] docs/14682 doc lprm(1) unaware of lp(1) Environment Vari o [1999/12/10] docs/15408 doc Description of ls and nlist wrong in man o [1999/12/19] docs/15561 doc regex(3) manpage needs update o [2000/01/01] docs/15821 doc Wrong device names in manpages for lpt(4) o [2000/01/04] docs/15890 doc rfork(RFMEM) on SMP generates error o [2000/01/18] docs/16173 doc [PATCH] fix for the kld/cdev example o [2000/01/29] docs/16439 doc fdp-primer - difficulties with split SGML o [2000/02/23] docs/16934 doc anon transfer log doesn't log all xfers o [2000/03/01] docs/17105 doc Wrong crossreference in ndc(8). o [2000/03/13] docs/17364 doc Fix minor errors and omissions in FAQ o [2000/03/18] docs/17469 doc Missing man page: sigwait o [2000/03/18] docs/17470 doc Missing man page: pthread_yield o [2000/03/20] docs/17521 doc Proposed FAQ on assembly programming o [2000/03/25] docs/17598 doc installworld over NFS documentation no lo o [2000/04/03] docs/17780 doc if they ask for smbmount, they want shari o [2000/04/06] docs/17836 doc manpage for sigaction(2) is wrong o [2000/04/07] docs/17855 doc PPP Primer is out-of-date o [2000/04/26] docs/18243 doc wrong description of -p option in sh(1) m o [2000/04/29] docs/18290 doc obsolete reference in programming tools a o [2000/05/02] docs/18343 doc KGV FAQ URL broken o [2000/05/03] docs/18379 doc Information on SSH hard to find in Handbo o [2000/05/04] docs/18391 doc Minor fixes to 3 web pages at www.freebsd o [2000/05/08] docs/18451 doc extra reference in man page o [2000/05/09] docs/18477 doc [PATCH] Several updates to the FAQ are in o [2000/05/12] docs/18520 doc kbdcontrol manpage incomplete 38 problems total. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 15 11:48: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from charybdis.ncc-mannheim.net (charybdis.ncc-mannheim.net [212.120.48.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C7437B555; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:47:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olaf@nichols.de) Received: from galileo.nichols (galileo.nichols [192.168.0.12]) by charybdis.ncc-mannheim.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id UAA06022; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:47:47 +0200 Received: by galileo.nichols with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:47:47 +0200 Message-ID: <61329DA77249D211A07800600874FB0D0FAC14@galileo.nichols> From: Olaf Zaplinski To: "'questions@FreeBSD.org'" Cc: "'doc@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: a non-newbies question Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 20:47:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I am using Linux since kernel 0.99pl15 and also have worked with Sinix (Siemens commercial U*ix version). Today I got me FreeBSD 4.0. For 2 hours now I cannot get the machine to work in my internal network. All I want to tell it is: - this is your address: 192.168.0.22/24 - this is your default gateway: 192.168.0.15 - this is your DNS server to ask: 192.168.0.15 I could not find any of these mentioned in the FAQ or handbook (which only tells about PPP etc.; at least KDE is working so I can read the handbook - lynx was *not* installed on the machine). All I found after the first boot-up was the /etc/issue that I should have a look on www.freebsd.org - very funny when the network is not up and running. But good luck I have an old Win95 machine here... ;-) BTW, I could tell the machine its IP address manually - by reading /etc/rc.network and creating /etc/start_if.fxp0... that is too much for me. Then I booted a Linux machine and installed /etc/route.conf accordingly - the machine ignores it... If that's FreeBSD then there's no wonder that there is that big Linux hype all around... (sorry folks, but I'm veeery frustraded right now). BTW, I am not counting on some fancy setup tool here, just tell me which files I have to edit to get this simple network conf up and running. Kind regards Olaf To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 15 11:58: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (sunbay-10BASE-T.cris.net [212.110.130.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E3737B50C; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:57:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.9.3/1.13) id VAA53272; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:57:33 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 21:57:33 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Olaf Zaplinski Cc: "'questions@FreeBSD.org'" , "'doc@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: Re: a non-newbies question Message-ID: <20000515215733.A53154@sunbay.com> Mail-Followup-To: Olaf Zaplinski , "'questions@FreeBSD.org'" , "'doc@FreeBSD.org'" References: <61329DA77249D211A07800600874FB0D0FAC14@galileo.nichols> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <61329DA77249D211A07800600874FB0D0FAC14@galileo.nichols>; from olaf@nichols.de on Mon, May 15, 2000 at 08:47:43PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 08:47:43PM +0200, Olaf Zaplinski wrote: > Hi, > > I am using Linux since kernel 0.99pl15 and also have worked with Sinix > (Siemens commercial U*ix version). > > Today I got me FreeBSD 4.0. > > For 2 hours now I cannot get the machine to work in my internal network. All > I want to tell it is: > > - this is your address: 192.168.0.22/24 > - this is your default gateway: 192.168.0.15 > - this is your DNS server to ask: 192.168.0.15 > > I could not find any of these mentioned in the FAQ or handbook (which only > tells about PPP etc.; at least KDE is working so I can read the handbook - > lynx was *not* installed on the machine). All I found after the first > boot-up was the /etc/issue that I should have a look on www.freebsd.org - > very funny when the network is not up and running. But good luck I have an > old Win95 machine here... ;-) > > BTW, I could tell the machine its IP address manually - by reading > /etc/rc.network and creating /etc/start_if.fxp0... that is too much for me. > Then I booted a Linux machine and installed /etc/route.conf accordingly - > the machine ignores it... > > If that's FreeBSD then there's no wonder that there is that big Linux hype > all around... (sorry folks, but I'm veeery frustraded right now). > > BTW, I am not counting on some fancy setup tool here, just tell me which > files I have to edit to get this simple network conf up and running. > In /etc/rc.conf, put these lines: ifconfig_fxp0="192.168.0.22" defaultrouter="192.168.0.15" In /etc/resolv.conf, put these lines: domain nichols.de nameserver 192.168.0.15 Please consult the rc.conf(5) and resolv.conf(5) manual page for full details. Cheers, -- Ruslan Ermilov ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 15 11:59: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F9037B631; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:58:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 12rQ4d-0009PA-00; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:58:39 +0200 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 20:58:39 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Olaf Zaplinski Cc: "'questions@FreeBSD.org'" , "'doc@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: Re: a non-newbies question Message-ID: <20000515205839.A36091@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <61329DA77249D211A07800600874FB0D0FAC14@galileo.nichols> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <61329DA77249D211A07800600874FB0D0FAC14@galileo.nichols>; from olaf@nichols.de on Mon, May 15, 2000 at 08:47:43PM +0200 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon 2000-05-15 (20:47), Olaf Zaplinski wrote: > Today I got me FreeBSD 4.0. > > For 2 hours now I cannot get the machine to work in my internal network. All > I want to tell it is: > > - this is your address: 192.168.0.22/24 ifconfig_ed0="inet 192.168.0.22 netmask 255.255.255.0" in /etc/rc.conf > - this is your default gateway: 192.168.0.15 defaultrouter="192.168.0.15" in /etc/rc.conf > - this is your DNS server to ask: 192.168.0.15 nameserver 192.168.0.15 in /etc/resolv.conf All of the above is done automatically in sysinstall, either at install time, or afterwards. > BTW, I am not counting on some fancy setup tool here, just tell me which > files I have to edit to get this simple network conf up and running. sysinstall is a "fancy setup tool". I'd read through /etc/defaults/rc.conf, and make changes in /etc/rc.conf. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Hacker In Chief, Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 15 16:52: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from vms3.isc.rit.edu (vms3.isc.rit.edu [129.21.3.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07C437B966 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 16:52:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adw4638@ritvax.isc.rit.edu) Received: from p3d8w5 ([129.21.113.193]) by ritvax.isc.rit.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #41784) with SMTP id <01JPFVUADOQ8INRKEU@ritvax.isc.rit.edu> for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 15 May 2000 19:51:46 EDT Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 19:49:15 -0400 From: Alfred White Subject: To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <000901caf489$39f47760$c1711581@rh.rit.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_CO0yVPdz/u1RUD99eJ+aAw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_CO0yVPdz/u1RUD99eJ+aAw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT does free bsd support ati rage pro 128 graphics card or dvd player --Boundary_(ID_CO0yVPdz/u1RUD99eJ+aAw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
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--Boundary_(ID_CO0yVPdz/u1RUD99eJ+aAw)-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 15 16:59: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rock.ghis.net (rock.ghis.net [209.222.164.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837F637B787 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 16:58:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: from argon.blackdawn.com (04-076.dial.008.popsite.net [209.69.197.76]) by rock.ghis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA77313; Mon, 15 May 2000 16:57:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by argon.blackdawn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D25D2194D; Mon, 15 May 2000 19:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 19:57:37 -0400 From: Will Andrews To: Alfred White Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <20000515195737.B97496@argon.blackdawn.com> References: <000901caf489$39f47760$c1711581@rh.rit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <000901caf489$39f47760$c1711581@rh.rit.edu>; from adw4638@ritvax.isc.rit.edu on Sat, May 15, 2010 at 07:49:15PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 07:49:15PM -0400, Alfred White wrote: > does free bsd support ati rage pro 128 graphics card or dvd player Ask your local RIT *BSD gurus for help; the answer to your question is "yes". -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 15 19: 0:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D52637B8C1; Mon, 15 May 2000 18:59:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomdean@ix.netcom.com) Received: from ix.netcom.com (sil-wa17-49.ix.netcom.com [207.93.156.49]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08395; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tomdean@localhost) by ix.netcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12648; Mon, 15 May 2000 18:58:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomdean@ix.netcom.com) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005160158.SAA12648@ix.netcom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: celebris.tddhome: tomdean set sender to tomdean@ix.netcom.com using -f From: "Thomas D. Dean" To: hoek@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <200005131446.HAA51485@freefall.freebsd.org> (hoek@FreeBSD.org) Subject: Re: docs/18233 References: <200005131446.HAA51485@freefall.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The behavior of page breaks depends on context. Adding a line to a man page can change the behavior, from having one extra blank line to not having extra blank lines. tomdean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 15 19:27: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A888237B59C for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 19:27:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost.nowhere (HSE-MTL-ppp5005.qc.sympatico.ca [209.226.108.188]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA26542; Mon, 15 May 2000 22:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id WAA05325; Mon, 15 May 2000 22:27:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:27:04 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: "Thomas D. Dean" Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/18233 Message-ID: <20000515222704.A4331@mad> References: <200005131446.HAA51485@freefall.freebsd.org> <200005160158.SAA12648@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <200005160158.SAA12648@ix.netcom.com>; from Thomas D. Dean on Mon, May 15, 2000 at 06:58:37PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 06:58:37PM -0700, Thomas D. Dean wrote: > > The behavior of page breaks depends on context. Adding a line to a > man page can change the behavior, from having one extra blank line to > not having extra blank lines. I'll need you to give me an example where the output is incorrect. -- Signature withheld by request of author. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 15 19:59:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BA437B9FE for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 19:59:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomdean@ix.netcom.com) Received: from ix.netcom.com (sil-wa17-49.ix.netcom.com [207.93.156.49]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA06774; Mon, 15 May 2000 22:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tomdean@localhost) by ix.netcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12796; Mon, 15 May 2000 19:58:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomdean@ix.netcom.com) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 19:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005160258.TAA12796@ix.netcom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: celebris.tddhome: tomdean set sender to tomdean@ix.netcom.com using -f From: "Thomas D. Dean" To: vanderh@ecf.utoronto.ca Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: <20000515222704.A4331@mad> (message from Tim Vanderhoek on Mon, 15 May 2000 22:27:04 -0400) Subject: Re: docs/18233 References: <200005131446.HAA51485@freefall.freebsd.org> <200005160158.SAA12648@ix.netcom.com> <20000515222704.A4331@mad> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have included two examples. The first has EXTRA blank lines at page boundaries. The second has three blank lines after after the line 'bin directory': FILES src/Makefile A make file that will build a project in the bin directory. src/project_name.c The main() function. tomdean ===== example 1 ========== #! /bin/sh # generate a man page which will have extra blank lines cat <; Tue, 16 May 2000 01:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id BAA81627; Tue, 16 May 2000 01:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from happy.checkpoint.com (happy.checkpoint.com [199.203.156.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D32037B8D5 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 01:29:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mellon@happy.checkpoint.com) Received: (from mellon@localhost) by happy.checkpoint.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02275; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:30:49 GMT (envelope-from mellon) Message-Id: <200005161130.LAA02275@happy.checkpoint.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:30:49 GMT From: mellon@pobox.com Reply-To: mellon@pobox.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18588: typos in manpage: missing dot and access{a,i}ble. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18588 >Category: docs >Synopsis: typos in manpage: missing dot and access{a,i}ble. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue May 16 01:40:03 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Anatoly Vorobey >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: 5.0-CURRENT >Description: See the fix. Note that this is the only occurrance of 'accessable' in the FreeBSD manpages; there are also around a dozen occurrances in kernel sources comments. To the best of my knowledge and my ability to verify, 'accessable' is neither an alternative spelling nor a Britishism but rather that rare bird, a genuine misspelling. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Index: VFS_FHTOVP.9 =================================================================== RCS file: /freebsd/cvs/src/share/man/man9/VFS_FHTOVP.9,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.6 VFS_FHTOVP.9 --- VFS_FHTOVP.9 1999/09/11 00:57:20 1.6 +++ VFS_FHTOVP.9 2000/05/16 11:22:39 @@ -63,7 +63,7 @@ .Pp A call to this function should generally be followed by a call to .Xr VFS_CHECKEXP 9 -to check if the file is accessable to the client +to check if the file is accessible to the client. .Pp .Sh RETURN VALUES The locked vnode for the file will be returned in >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 16 1:50: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D9A37B946 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 01:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id BAA83180; Tue, 16 May 2000 01:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from happy.checkpoint.com (happy.checkpoint.com [199.203.156.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D1237B831 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 01:43:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mellon@happy.checkpoint.com) Received: (from mellon@localhost) by happy.checkpoint.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02608; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:44:35 GMT (envelope-from mellon) Message-Id: <200005161144.LAA02608@happy.checkpoint.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:44:35 GMT From: mellon@pobox.com Reply-To: mellon@pobox.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18590: a number of manpage fixes for VFS manpages. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18590 >Category: docs >Synopsis: a number of manpage fixes for VFS manpages. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue May 16 01:50:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Anatoly Vorobey >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: 5.0-CURRENT >Description: Two fixes for VFS_CHECKEXP, one a typo, one fixes the erroneous description of what it actually does. One fix for VFS_FHTOVP, unrelated to the previous PR. Currently VFS_FHTOVP claims it should be followed by a VFS_CHECKEXP call, and VFS_CHECKEXP call claims it should be followed by a VFS_FHTOVP call, which creates an amusing deadlock situation ;) In reality, as both common sense and nfs_subs.c demonstrate, VFS_CHECKEXP is correct. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Index: VFS_CHECKEXP.9 =================================================================== RCS file: /freebsd/cvs/src/share/man/man9/VFS_CHECKEXP.9,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 VFS_CHECKEXP.9 --- VFS_CHECKEXP.9 1999/09/11 21:00:03 1.2 +++ VFS_CHECKEXP.9 2000/05/16 11:38:47 @@ -29,7 +29,7 @@ .Dt VFS_CHECKEXP 9 .Sh NAME .Nm VFS_CHECKEXP -.Nd check if vnode is exported to a client +.Nd check if a filesystem is exported to a client .Sh SYNOPSIS .Fd #include .Fd #include @@ -52,7 +52,7 @@ .El .Pp This should be called on a file system's mount structure to determine if it -is exported to a client whos address is contained in +is exported to a client whose address is contained in .Fa nam . .Pp It is generally called before Index: VFS_FHTOVP.9 =================================================================== RCS file: /freebsd/cvs/src/share/man/man9/VFS_FHTOVP.9,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.6 VFS_FHTOVP.9 --- VFS_FHTOVP.9 1999/09/11 00:57:20 1.6 +++ VFS_FHTOVP.9 2000/05/16 11:39:55 @@ -61,7 +61,7 @@ filesystem stores the inode number and inode generation counter in its filehandle. .Pp -A call to this function should generally be followed by a call to +A call to this function should generally be preceded by a call to .Xr VFS_CHECKEXP 9 to check if the file is accessable to the client .Pp >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 16 2:30: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E12A37B875 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 02:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id CAA88502; Tue, 16 May 2000 02:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id 4AA9337B98B; Tue, 16 May 2000 02:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20000516092808.4AA9337B98B@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 02:28:08 -0700 (PDT) From: jpmg@eng.cam.ac.uk To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/18592: amd(8) man page missing a line from SYNOPSIS that's referred to below Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18592 >Category: docs >Synopsis: amd(8) man page missing a line from SYNOPSIS that's referred to below >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue May 16 02:30:02 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Patrick Gosling >Release: 4.0-RELEASE >Organization: Department of Engineering, University of Cambridge >Environment: FreeBSD tiger.eng.cam.ac.uk 4.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE #1: Mon May 8 13:37:25 BST 2000 jpmg@tiger.eng.cam.ac.uk:/usr/src/sys/compile/TIGER08052000 i386 >Description: The amd(8) man page has two command line forms listed in the SYNOPSIS. The third paragraph of the DESCRIPTION refers to three forms, the first of which appears to have been left out (making the references to the "second" and "third" forms particularly confusing). >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: I believe that the following diff causes the man page to be self-consistent: *** amd.8.orig Tue May 16 10:23:37 2000 --- amd.8 Tue May 16 10:25:50 2000 *************** *** 48,53 **** --- 48,55 ---- .Nm amd .Nd automatically mount file systems .Sh SYNOPSIS + .Nm amd + .Fl H .Nm amd .Op Fl F Ar conf_file .Nm amd >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 16 3:30: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B7837B875 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 03:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id DAA95914; Tue, 16 May 2000 03:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from happy.checkpoint.com (happy.checkpoint.com [199.203.156.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC42337B55E for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 03:24:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mellon@happy.checkpoint.com) Received: (from mellon@localhost) by happy.checkpoint.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04568; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:25:34 GMT (envelope-from mellon) Message-Id: <200005161325.NAA04568@happy.checkpoint.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:25:34 GMT From: mellon@pobox.com Reply-To: mellon@pobox.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18593: VOP_LOOKUP is not a 'VFS entry point' Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18593 >Category: docs >Synopsis: VOP_LOOKUP is not a 'VFS entry point' >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue May 16 03:30:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Anatoly Vorobey >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: 5.0-CURRENT >Description: See the fix which aligns VOP_LOOKUP(9)'s description with other VOP_ (9) descriptions. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: RCS file: /freebsd/cvs/src/share/man/man9/VOP_LOOKUP.9,v retrieving revision 1.8 diff -u -r1.8 VOP_LOOKUP.9 --- VOP_LOOKUP.9 1999/08/28 00:21:14 1.8 +++ VOP_LOOKUP.9 2000/05/16 13:23:45 @@ -41,7 +41,7 @@ .Ft int .Fn VOP_LOOKUP "struct vnode *dvp" "struct vnode **vpp" "struct componentname *cnp" .Sh DESCRIPTION -This VFS entry point looks up a single pathname component in a given directory. +This entry point looks up a single pathname component in a given directory. .Pp Its arguments are: .Bl -tag -width vpp >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 16 7:53:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from motgate2.mot.com (motgate2.mot.com [136.182.1.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819C837B660 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:53:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Y17483@qub10.mot.com) Received: [from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by motgate2.mot.com (motgate2 2.1) with ESMTP id HAA05488 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:53:46 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from qub10ex01.corp.mot.com (qub10ex01.corp.mot.com [199.5.201.3]) by mothost.mot.com (MOT-mothost 2.0) with ESMTP id HAA20869 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:53:46 -0700 (MST)] Received: by qub10ex01.corp.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 16 May 2000 10:53:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: Haq Romel-Y17483 To: "'freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Licensing Issues Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:53:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I'm just wondering if there are any licensing issues related with the commercial use of FreeBSD. If so, I would appreciate it if someone could provide me with a link where I might be able to read up about such issues. Thank you, Romel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 16 8:53: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.bna.bellsouth.net (mail2.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1DC37B554 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 08:53:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@siteplus.net) Received: from host-216-78-3-224.jan.bellsouth.net (host-216-78-3-224.jan.bellsouth.net [216.78.3.224]) by mail2.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id LAA22149 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:53:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Weeks To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: makeworld.html suggestion Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would like to suggest that Mergemaster be included in the Make World documentation. I thought of this during the 4.0 release when so many inexperienced people were having trouble with the upgrade. I remember that I learned about mergemaster from a passing comment made on the Stable list. It certainly made life much easier. I had been doing it the hard way for a long time, and even more surprising is that a search for "mergemaster" produces no results on the FreeBSD web site. If I were a better writer I would tackle the problem, but I know that there are those of you much more capable. Thanks, Jim Weeks --------- A mind is a terrible thing to lose! How I miss mine... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 16 9: 9: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D96337B877; Tue, 16 May 2000 09:09:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from hoek@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA09410; Tue, 16 May 2000 09:09:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:09:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005161609.JAA09410@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ue@nathan.ruhr.de, hoek@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/17105 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Wrong crossreference in ndc(8). State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: hoek State-Changed-When: Tue May 16 09:08:48 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Fixed, thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 16 9:45: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sttlpop2.sttl.uswest.net (mail.sttl.uswest.net [206.81.192.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 65CB437B8E7 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 09:44:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tres-@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 86300 invoked by alias); 16 May 2000 16:44:54 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 86259 invoked by uid 0); 16 May 2000 16:44:53 -0000 Received: from 63-224-59-160.customers.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.59.160) by mail.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 16 May 2000 16:44:53 -0000 Message-ID: <39217BAA.229D9128@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:47:38 -0700 From: tres X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 16 9:50: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057BB37B8E7 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 09:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA15098; Tue, 16 May 2000 09:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005161650.JAA15098@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Tim Vanderhoek Subject: Re: docs/14565: ioctl() codes for device type `fd% Reply-To: Tim Vanderhoek Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/14565; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Tim Vanderhoek To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, rfg@monkeys.com Cc: vanderh@ecf.toronto.edu Subject: Re: docs/14565: ioctl() codes for device type `fd% Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:43:03 -0400 (EDT) > > Fix > > Read the source for /usr/include/machine/ioctl_fd.h. Can you submit documentation for these ioctls? The manpages mdoc(7) and mdoc.samples(7) and /usr/share/examples/mdoc/ may be useful. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 16 11:17:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rock.ghis.net (rock.ghis.net [209.222.164.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8599B37B9A4 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:17:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: from argon.blackdawn.com (07-041.dial.008.popsite.net [209.69.77.41]) by rock.ghis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA99927; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by argon.blackdawn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0D0BF194D; Tue, 16 May 2000 14:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:14:31 -0400 From: Will Andrews To: Mark Ovens Cc: Will Andrews , Alfred White , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <20000516141431.C497@argon.blackdawn.com> References: <000901caf489$39f47760$c1711581@rh.rit.edu> <20000515195737.B97496@argon.blackdawn.com> <20000516183708.B233@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000516183708.B233@parish>; from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org on Tue, May 16, 2000 at 06:37:08PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 06:37:08PM +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > RIT??? Rochester Institute of Technology, located in Rochester, New York. Look carefully: ^^^ I was accepted, but turned it down for a different school. -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 16 11:29:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A94337BA67; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:29:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.com (p3E9C1131.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.156.17.49]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26573; Tue, 16 May 2000 20:29:43 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D89AC2C; Tue, 16 May 2000 20:29:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from alex@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30232; Tue, 16 May 2000 20:29:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:29:46 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: doc@freebsd.org, newbus@freebsd.org Subject: DRIVER_MODULE(9) Message-ID: <20000516202946.A29889@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l" X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Attached is a new manpage for the important macro DRIVER_MODULE(9) which everyone knows :-) Please review it (also language fixes, please). Most important is the evh part (which I'm not sure of) and of course arg. Please give me hints. Thanks Alex -- I need a new ~/.sig. --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="DRIVER_MODULE.9" .\" -*- nroff -*- .\" .\" Copyright (c) 2000 Alexander Langer .\" .\" All rights reserved. .\" .\" This program is free software. .\" .\" Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without .\" modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions .\" are met: .\" 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright .\" notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. .\" 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright .\" notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the .\" documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. .\" .\" THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE DEVELOPERS ``AS IS'' AND ANY EXPRESS OR .\" IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES .\" OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. .\" IN NO EVENT SHALL THE DEVELOPERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, .\" INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT .\" NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, .\" DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY .\" THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT .\" (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF .\" THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. .\" .\" $FreeBSD$ .\" .Dd May 16, 2000 .Dt DRIVER_MODULE 9 .Os FreeBSD .Sh NAME .Nm DRIVER_MODULE .Nd a C macro for FreeBSD kernel drivers .Sh SYNOPSIS .Fd #include .Fn DRIVER_MODULE "name" "busname" "driver_t driver" "devclass_t devclass" "int (*evh) (struct module *, int, void *)" "void *arg" .Sh DESCRIPTION .Fn DRIVER_MODULE is a big macro that is used in the .Fx driver system. In fact, .Fn DRIVER_MODULE expands to the real driver itself, which can be easily hidden to the programmer this way. It is a nice example how newbus hides its complexity to the programmer. .Pp .Ft name is expanded into parts of the names of the driver, so it is just text (not! a .Va char or .Va char * ). Actually, it is how the driver later on is referenced as. .Pp .Ft busname is the parent bus of the driver (PCI, ISA, PPBUS) and is, as an example, .Ar pci or .Ar isa . .Pp .Ft driver is the driver of type .Va driver_t , which carries the information about your driver and is so far one of the two most important parts of the call to .Fn DRIVER_MODULE . .Pp .Ft devclass carries the kernel-internal information about the device, which you are supposed to use in your module. .Pp .Ft evh is the event handler which is called when the driver (or module) is loaded or unloaded. .Pp .Ft arg is .Dv NULL in all drivers in the tree at time of writing. .Sh AUTHORS This man page was written by .An Alexander Langer . --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 16 11:41:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.bart.nl (lucifer.bart.nl [194.158.168.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE2037B97A for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:41:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@lucifer.bart.nl) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by lucifer.bart.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04428; Tue, 16 May 2000 20:41:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:41:29 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: Haq Romel-Y17483 Cc: "'freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: Licensing Issues Message-ID: <20000516204129.A4360@lucifer.bart.nl> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Y17483@qub10.mot.com on Tue, May 16, 2000 at 10:53:39AM -0400 Organisation: VIA Net.Works The Netherlands Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20000516 16:54], Haq Romel-Y17483 (Y17483@qub10.mot.com) wrote: >I'm just wondering if there are any licensing issues related with the >commercial use of FreeBSD. If so, I would appreciate it if someone could >provide me with a link where I might be able to read up about such issues. Use it and abuse it, just give recognition. A read up of the -archives of -advocacy might be very very helpful for you. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator VIA Net.Works The Netherlands BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl Sweet taste of vindication, It turns to ashes in your mouth... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 16 12:58:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C52137BB1A for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:58:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eogren@earthlink.net) Received: from rod.darktech.org (ip191.cambridge2.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.32.112.191]) by merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16541; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from eogren@localhost) by rod.darktech.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e4GK0D211189; Tue, 16 May 2000 16:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:00:12 -0400 From: Eric Ogren To: Jim Weeks Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: makeworld.html suggestion Message-ID: <20000516160012.B10106@earthlink.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from jim@siteplus.net on Tue, May 16, 2000 at 11:53:06AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mergemaster was included in my rewrite of this section, although this has not been committed . Eric On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 11:53:06AM -0400, Jim Weeks wrote: > I would like to suggest that Mergemaster be included in the Make World > documentation. > > I thought of this during the 4.0 release when so many inexperienced people > were having trouble with the upgrade. I remember that I learned about > mergemaster from a passing comment made on the Stable list. It certainly > made life much easier. I had been doing it the hard way for a long > time, and even more surprising is that a search for > "mergemaster" produces no results on the FreeBSD web site. > > If I were a better writer I would tackle the problem, but I know that > there are those of you much more capable. > > Thanks, > > Jim Weeks > --------- A mind is a terrible thing to lose! How I miss mine... > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 16 13:10: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7098437BB28 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id NAA45157; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005162010.NAA45157@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: "Thomas D. Dean" Subject: Re: docs/18233 Reply-To: "Thomas D. Dean" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18233; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Thomas D. Dean" To: hoek@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/18233 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:58:37 -0700 (PDT) The behavior of page breaks depends on context. Adding a line to a man page can change the behavior, from having one extra blank line to not having extra blank lines. tomdean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 16 13:10: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9761C37BB3B for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id NAA45170; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005162010.NAA45170@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Tim Vanderhoek Subject: Re: docs/18233 Reply-To: Tim Vanderhoek Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18233; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Tim Vanderhoek To: "Thomas D. Dean" Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/18233 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:27:04 -0400 On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 06:58:37PM -0700, Thomas D. Dean wrote: > > The behavior of page breaks depends on context. Adding a line to a > man page can change the behavior, from having one extra blank line to > not having extra blank lines. I'll need you to give me an example where the output is incorrect. -- Signature withheld by request of author. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 16 13:10:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7003637BB32 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id NAA45162; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005162010.NAA45162@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: "Thomas D. Dean" Subject: Re: docs/18233 Reply-To: "Thomas D. Dean" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18233; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Thomas D. Dean" To: vanderh@ecf.utoronto.ca Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/18233 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 19:58:37 -0700 (PDT) I have included two examples. The first has EXTRA blank lines at page boundaries. The second has three blank lines after after the line 'bin directory': FILES src/Makefile A make file that will build a project in the bin directory. src/project_name.c The main() function. tomdean ===== example 1 ========== #! /bin/sh # generate a man page which will have extra blank lines cat < To: doc@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: newbus documentation Message-ID: <20000516224540.A16053@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! I've started a newbus introduction. It covers most aspects of a newbus driver, based on Warner Losh's led-driver. I've added interrupts- and ioctl-handlers. The whole thing "behing" newbus is a little bit vague. Please review my documentation and give me hints for improvements. I'd like to see that introduction in the official docs some time, since I've heard from several people that the bad thing with newbus is its lack of documentation. ftp://big.endian.de/pub/FreeBSD/newbus-intro.tar.gz Alex -- I need a new ~/.sig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 16 16:24:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.bna.bellsouth.net (mail2.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9DF37B69D for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 16:24:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@siteplus.net) Received: from host-216-78-5-17.jan.bellsouth.net (host-216-78-5-17.jan.bellsouth.net [216.78.5.17]) by mail2.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id TAA11255; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:24:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Weeks To: Eric Ogren Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: makeworld.html suggestion In-Reply-To: <20000516160012.B10106@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 16 May 2000, Eric Ogren wrote: > Mergemaster was included in my rewrite of this section, although this has > not been committed . > > Eric Thanks, I must have missed the post. Jim Weeks --------- A mind is a terrible thing to lose! How I miss mine... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 16 16:36:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.bna.bellsouth.net (mail1.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C5137B691 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 16:36:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@siteplus.net) Received: from host-216-78-5-17.jan.bellsouth.net (host-216-78-5-17.jan.bellsouth.net [216.78.5.17]) by mail1.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id TAA10948 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:36:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Weeks To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: RE: makeworld.html Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry, I accidently deleted the e-mail that this is in reply to. Someone wrote that there are multiple references to mergemaster in the questions archive. My point is that someone new would not know to search for keyword "mergemaster" in the archives. I did the search in docs to which there is no reference. Of course this is redundant since the changes have been made and not submitted yet. Jim Weeks --------- A mind is a terrible thing to lose! How I miss mine... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 16 18:10: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465EA37B94C for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 18:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id SAA47221; Tue, 16 May 2000 18:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from dannyboy.eyep.net (adsl-207-68-90-3.ba-dsg.net [207.68.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB0337B722 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 18:08:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyboy@dannyboy.eyep.net) Received: (from dannyboy@localhost) by dannyboy.eyep.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00818; Tue, 16 May 2000 21:09:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dannyboy) Message-Id: <200005170109.VAA00818@dannyboy.eyep.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:09:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Harris Reply-To: dannyboy@subdimension.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18612: Missing "and" in availability.html Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18612 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Missing "and" in availability.html >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue May 16 18:10:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Daniel Harris >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: No >Environment: FreeBSD.org as of late 16th May EDT. >Description: availability.html is missing a conjunction: "FreeBSD is an open project/, and/ welcomes the help of ..." >How-To-Repeat: lynx http://www.freebsd.org/availability.html >Fix: --- availability.sgml.orig Tue May 16 20:54:38 2000 +++ availability.sgml Tue May 16 20:55:20 2000 @@ -69,7 +69,7 @@ available in the Contributors section of the FreeBSD Handbook. FreeBSD is - an open project welcomes the help of individuals who have time and or + an open project, and welcomes the help of individuals who have time and or skills to offer.

This "about" section was created by Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 16 18:30: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D486B37B65C for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 18:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id SAA49514; Tue, 16 May 2000 18:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from dannyboy.eyep.net (adsl-207-68-90-3.ba-dsg.net [207.68.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A642B37B8D5 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 18:25:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyboy@dannyboy.eyep.net) Received: (from dannyboy@localhost) by dannyboy.eyep.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00982; Tue, 16 May 2000 21:26:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dannyboy) Message-Id: <200005170126.VAA00982@dannyboy.eyep.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:26:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Harris Reply-To: dannyboy@subdimension.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18613: Subject and Verb disagree in Handbook: Installing FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18613 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Subject and Verb disagree in Handbook: Installing FreeBSD >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue May 16 18:30:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Daniel Harris >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: No >Environment: Docs cvsupped about five minutes ago. >Description: From 2.1. Synopsis: "the only thing you will need are the installation floppies." Should be "the only things you will need..." >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Change "thing" to "things." :-) I think a diff would be overkill here. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 16 19:16:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FC0937BA8E; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:16:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from chris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id TAA56161; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:16:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:16:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005170216.TAA56161@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dannyboy@subdimension.com, chris@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18612 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Missing "and" in availability.html State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: chris State-Changed-When: Tue May 16 19:15:04 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed, revision 1.39. Thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 16 19:27:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B8737BB4F; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:27:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from chris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id TAA57793; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:27:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:27:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005170227.TAA57793@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dannyboy@subdimension.com, chris@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18613 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Subject and Verb disagree in Handbook: Installing FreeBSD State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: chris State-Changed-When: Tue May 16 19:26:45 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed, revision 1.39. Thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 16 19:39:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65EC737B538; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:39:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from chris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id TAA59252; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:39:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:39:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005170239.TAA59252@freefall.freebsd.org> To: bsdx@looksharp.net, chris@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18523 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Mispelling on www.freebsd.org State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: chris State-Changed-When: Tue May 16 19:38:06 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed, revision 1.85 of www/en/index.sgml. Thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 16 19:40: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBF637B538 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id TAA59490; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005170240.TAA59490@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Chris Costello Subject: Re: docs/18612 Reply-To: Chris Costello Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18612; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Chris Costello To: chris@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: dannyboy@subdimension.com, freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/18612 Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:26:40 -0500 On Tuesday, May 16, 2000, chris@FreeBSD.ORG wrote: > State-Changed-From-To: open->closed > State-Changed-By: chris > State-Changed-When: Tue May 16 19:15:04 PDT 2000 > State-Changed-Why: > Committed, revision 1.39. Thanks! Off-by-one error here. This should have been PR #18613 to get this log message. The proper changes for this PR, #18612, have been committed. Thanks! -- |Chris Costello |All that glitters has a high refractive index. `----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 16 23:51:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.wanadoo.es (m1smtpisp02.wanadoo.es [62.36.220.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A7037BBF5 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 23:51:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nop@todolinux.org) Received: from smtp1.ctv.es (ctv21225129034.ctv.es [212.25.129.34]) by m1smtpsp02.wanadoo.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20527 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 12:33:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from compiler.linux.es (ctv21225132007.ctv.es [212.25.132.7]) by smtp1.ctv.es (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA24555 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 12:32:56 +0200 (MET DST) X-Envelope-To: Received: from todolinux.org (IDENT:sromero@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by compiler.linux.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02085 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 12:33:54 +0200 Message-ID: <391E8111.CBB9E4E@todolinux.org> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 12:33:53 +0200 From: NoP / Compiler Organization: Compiler Software X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: redhat.org???? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I can't understand why FreeBSD has registered redhat.org and has put into that domain freebsd pages... It does not give a good image of FreeBSD, IMHO. CU and thx a lot. -- Windows 2000 no se cuelg·$%&/# NO CARRIER _-----------------------------------------------------_ | NoP / Compiler -- nop @ todolinux.org | |-------------------------------------------------------| | POWERED BY - Linux RedHat 6.0 - Reg. User #74.821 | | http://www.ctv.es/USERS/sromero | ~-----------------------------------------------------~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 0:35: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D814537B9B7 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:34:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id RAA24968; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:05:33 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:05:33 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: NoP / Compiler Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: redhat.org???? Message-ID: <20000517170533.L22008@freebie.lemis.com> References: <391E8111.CBB9E4E@todolinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <391E8111.CBB9E4E@todolinux.org> Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday, 14 May 2000 at 12:33:53 +0200, NoP / Compiler wrote: > > I can't understand why FreeBSD has registered redhat.org and > has put into that domain freebsd pages... It does not give a > good image of FreeBSD, IMHO. I can't understand how you can think that FreeBSD has registered redhat.org: Registrant: TotalConnect Internet (REDHAT3-DOM) 3715 Blenkinsop Rd. Victoria, BC V8P-3P2 CA Domain Name: REDHAT.ORG Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact, Billing Contact: Huot, Marc (MHH155) marc@DREAMFORGE.NET 3715 Blenkinsop Rd. Victoria BC V8P-3P2 CA Private (FAX) Private I have no idea who Marc Huot is, but he's not known round here. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 1:16:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D24437B587 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 01:16:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26991; Wed, 17 May 2000 01:19:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: NoP / Compiler Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: redhat.org???? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 14 May 2000 12:33:53 +0200." <391E8111.CBB9E4E@todolinux.org> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 01:19:04 -0700 Message-ID: <26988.958551544@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I can't understand why FreeBSD has registered redhat.org and > has put into that domain freebsd pages... It does not give a > good image of FreeBSD, IMHO. "FreeBSD" has done no such thing and I can't understand why you could even infer such a thing from the available evidence: % whois redhat.org ... TotalConnect Internet (REDHAT3-DOM) 3715 Blenkinsop Rd. Victoria, BC V8P-3P2 As even the most elementary research shows, this is clearly a Canadian site. It has absolutely nothing to do with the FreeBSD Project, nor does: Huot, Marc (MHH155) marc@DREAMFORGE.NET 3715 Blenkinsop Rd. Victoria BC V8P-3P2 Visiting dreamforge.net's web site also does not indicate that there is any connection between this site and FreeBSD in any official way. This is the Internet. Until Network Solutions changes their registration policy, people can register whichever domains they damn well please, including pepsi.net or iamlinustorvalds.com, and point them wherever they want them to point. None of this, however, has anything to do with the FreeBSD project, it's nothing that the FreeBSD project can change and I'm mystified that anyone could ever think otherwise. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 1:18:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4854137B745; Wed, 17 May 2000 01:18:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.com (p3E9D38F7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.157.56.247]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29984; Wed, 17 May 2000 10:18:38 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C41AC2C; Wed, 17 May 2000 10:18:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from alex@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02548; Wed, 17 May 2000 10:18:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:18:44 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: newbus documentation Message-ID: <20000517101844.C493@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <20000516224540.A16053@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000516224540.A16053@cichlids.cichlids.com>; from alex@big.endian.de on Tue, May 16, 2000 at 10:45:40PM +0200 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To follow up myself, I got the first important comments from Matthew N. Dodd, which I will merge this evening. Alex -- I need a new ~/.sig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 1:41:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA6437B6D8 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 01:41:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [213.1.167.240] (helo=parish.my.domain) by neodymium with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12rlHY-0003jT-00; Tue, 16 May 2000 18:37:25 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00949; Tue, 16 May 2000 18:37:09 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 18:37:08 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Will Andrews Cc: Alfred White , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <20000516183708.B233@parish> References: <000901caf489$39f47760$c1711581@rh.rit.edu> <20000515195737.B97496@argon.blackdawn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000515195737.B97496@argon.blackdawn.com>; from andrews@technologist.com on Mon, May 15, 2000 at 07:57:37PM -0400 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 07:57:37PM -0400, Will Andrews wrote: > On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 07:49:15PM -0400, Alfred White wrote: > > does free bsd support ati rage pro 128 graphics card or dvd player > > Ask your local RIT *BSD gurus for help; the answer to your question is > "yes". > RIT??? > -- > Will Andrews > GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- > ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ > G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- ...and on the eighth day God created UNIX ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 1:44: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from aragorn.neomedia.it (aragorn.neomedia.it [195.103.207.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A120D37BAFE for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 01:44:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bartequi@neomedia.it) Received: from localhost (ppp3-pa5.neomedia.it [195.103.207.115]) by aragorn.neomedia.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA11907; Wed, 17 May 2000 10:43:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Salvo Bartolotta Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:45:56 GMT Message-ID: <20000517.9455600@mis.configured.host> Subject: RE: makeworld.html To: Jim Weeks Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: SuperCalifragilis X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 5/17/00, 12:36:37 AM, Jim Weeks wrote regarding RE: makeworld.html: > Sorry, > I accidently deleted the e-mail that this is in reply to. > Someone wrote that there are multiple references to mergemaster in the= > questions archive. > My point is that someone new would not know to search for keyword > "mergemaster" in the archives. I did the search in docs to which there is > no reference. Dear Mr Weeks, My strictly personal opinion is that someone new should NOT rush to perform a source upgrade **without** first subscribing to the appropriate mailing list(s) -- which is also indicated in the handbook. IMSPO, the reason for this is the nature itself of the OS: open-source, ie rapidly changing (=3Devolving). Alternatively, one can browse the relevant archives (e.g. -STABLE) chronologically, selecting the upgrade-related threads. Not surprisingly, a large number of questions about the OS are asked in "-questions" -- which is written in the handbook. For an open-source OS, the archives ARE a resource. Albeit a source upgrade is not usually difficult, it may create unsurmountable difficulties, especially for a non-RTFMing person who neither subscribes to the appropriate FreeBSD mailing lists nor browses their archives. Some changes (e.g. a script such as mergemaster) are relatively recent, and the documentation for them may be pending (or incomplete, or even missing), as someone else pointed out. Incidentally, nothing prevents you from contributing to this area ... Sincerely, Salvo Bartolotta To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 3:17:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E8A37BC20 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 03:17:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA35116; Wed, 17 May 2000 10:51:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:51:01 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Eric Ogren Cc: Jim Weeks , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: makeworld.html suggestion Message-ID: <20000517105101.A30677@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000516160012.B10106@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000516160012.B10106@earthlink.net>; from eogren@earthlink.net on Tue, May 16, 2000 at 04:00:12PM -0400 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eric, On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 04:00:12PM -0400, Eric Ogren wrote: > Mergemaster was included in my rewrite of this section, although this has > not been committed . Is there a PR for this? Sorry, but I can't find it in my copy of the PR database, and it's not immediately obvious after hunting through my mail files. Feel free to resend it to me. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 4:20:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.111.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809ED37BBEC; Wed, 17 May 2000 04:20:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at) Received: from [128.130.111.2] (deneb [128.130.111.2]) by vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01113; Wed, 17 May 2000 13:20:29 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:20:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Gerald Pfeifer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Getting FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If one chooses the "Getting FreeBSD" on the FreeBSD homepage, she gets to the page http://www.freebsd.org/availability.html. However, this page does not mention CVS at all! IMO, at least a link to some page describing how to obtain FreeBSD would be very useful. might be one such link, for example. HTH, Gerald -- Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 9:46:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.screaming.net (smtp.screaming.net [212.49.224.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D9E37BB2A for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 09:46:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bigotfo@bigfoot.com) Received: from lexx.my.domain (dyn193-ras13.screaming.net [212.49.236.193]) by smtp.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA19374 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:48:05 GMT From: John Murphy To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ipfw and nat over ppp documentation Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:46:27 +0100 Organization: The Organisation Reply-To: bigotfo@bigfoot.com Message-ID: <76giOQiHXZEJ91Am=24fQpdHnQbB@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marc Silver wrote: >I have written the following documentation on how to set up ipfw over a >ppp connection. I hope this is the right place to submit it, but if >not, please let me know. A copy of this (for better viewing) is at >http://draenor.org/ipfw > >Something like this is missing from the FAQ and handbook (or if it's >there I certainly missed it) so perhaps it could be included with a bit >of work?? > Hi I'm happy to say I've used this exact configuration since I first saw it posted to freeBSD-doc on 2000/04/14. Works well for me, and the ipfw settings seem to check out ok at grc.com. I've made an alteration to allow FTP(PASV) namely: $fwcmd add pass log tcp from any to any 21 setup $fwcmd add pass log tcp from any 20 to any setup which could perhaps be mentioned if it gets to the FAQ/handbook. Thanks again, John. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 11:34:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3914837BB64; Wed, 17 May 2000 11:34:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01456; Wed, 17 May 2000 19:34:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:34:11 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Nik Clayton Cc: Mark Ovens , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Porter-handbook not being built Message-ID: <20000517193411.A1346@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000504175920.A299@parish> <20000505015902.A48362@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000512130208.A709@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000512130208.A709@kilt.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Fri, May 12, 2000 at 01:02:08PM +0000 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, May 12, 2000 at 01:02:08PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Fri, May 05, 2000 at 01:59:02AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > If I don't get my head wrapped around by the end of next week > > then I'll turn on the build -- in the mean time people can commit to > > the copy in the big Handbook, and I'll make sure that the changes are > > merged over as necessary. > > OK. Well, I've failed to get my head wrapped around . As a last > resort I've got an e-mail out to some knowledgable people, to find out > whether or not it's actually going to be possible to do what I want. > > Either way, it'll be turned on in the build on Wednesday. For those you not following the commit messages, I've just done this. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 12:44:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A8837B82C for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 12:44:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA96366 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:44:46 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:44:46 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: FreeBSD Documentation Project Subject: Maybe we should add a link to this Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org somewhere in the docs? http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/kirkmck.html Like in the unix history bibliography or somesuch? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 13:10:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64DB337BC82 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 13:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA50033; Wed, 17 May 2000 13:11:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Mark Ovens Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , NoP / Compiler , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: redhat.org???? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 17 May 2000 19:31:19 BST." <20000517193119.B232@parish> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:11:09 -0700 Message-ID: <50030.958594269@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > It's amazing what a typo will get you... > > howardjp@byzantine:~$ nslookup www.redhat.org > Server: ns2.umd.edu > Address: 128.8.76.2 > > Non-authoritative answer: > Name: freefall.freebsd.org > Address: 204.216.27.21 > Aliases: www.redhat.org, www.freebsd.org > > howardjp@byzantine:~$ Erm? How could freefall.freebsd.org give you any answer at all? It doesn't even run a named. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 13:14:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3251637BCDB for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 13:14:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A4D331C5C; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:14:16 -0400 From: Bill Fumerola To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Mark Ovens , NoP / Compiler , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: redhat.org???? Message-ID: <20000517161416.J86725@jade.chc-chimes.com> References: <20000517193119.B232@parish> <50030.958594269@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <50030.958594269@localhost>; from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com on Wed, May 17, 2000 at 01:11:09PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 01:11:09PM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > howardjp@byzantine:~$ nslookup www.redhat.org > > Server: ns2.umd.edu > > Address: 128.8.76.2 > > > > Non-authoritative answer: > > Name: freefall.freebsd.org > > Address: 204.216.27.21 > > Aliases: www.redhat.org, www.freebsd.org > > > > howardjp@byzantine:~$ > > Erm? How could freefall.freebsd.org give you any answer at all? > It doesn't even run a named. This isn't freefall giving an answer, this is the name server for redhat.org being configured like so: www IN CNAME www.freebsd.org. and freebsd.org being configured like so: www IN CNAME freefall Again, FREEBSD.ORG HAS NO CONTROL OVER WHAT REDHAT.ORG INDEPENDENTLY DOES. -- Bill Fumerola - Network Architect / Computer Horizons Corp - CVM e-mail: billf@chc-chimes.com / billf@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 13:17:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from po3.glue.umd.edu (po3.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70ED137B82C for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 13:17:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@glue.umd.edu) Received: from z.glue.umd.edu (root@z.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.71]) by po3.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24218; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from z.glue.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA14918; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by z.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14914; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:17:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: z.glue.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:17:14 -0400 (EDT) From: James Howard To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Mark Ovens , NoP / Compiler , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: redhat.org???? In-Reply-To: <50030.958594269@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 17 May 2000, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > howardjp@byzantine:~$ nslookup www.redhat.org > > Server: ns2.umd.edu > > Address: 128.8.76.2 > > > > Non-authoritative answer: > > Name: freefall.freebsd.org > > Address: 204.216.27.21 > > Aliases: www.redhat.org, www.freebsd.org > > > > howardjp@byzantine:~$ > > Erm? How could freefall.freebsd.org give you any answer at all? > It doesn't even run a named. Why are people responding to month-old email today? Anyway, that is not what this means, this means that www.redhat.org points to freefall.freebsd.org. Except this is no longer the case... howardjp@byzantine:~$ nslookup www.redhat.org Server: ns2.umd.edu Address: 128.8.76.2 Non-authoritative answer: Name: nbwww.isc.org Address: 204.152.186.171 Aliases: www.redhat.org, www.netbsd.org howardjp@byzantine:~$ Well, I am sure it makes sense to someone :) Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 13:22:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from po4.glue.umd.edu (po4.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7637A37BEF9 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 13:22:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@glue.umd.edu) Received: from z.glue.umd.edu (root@z.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.71]) by po4.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20404; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from z.glue.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA15359; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by z.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15355; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:21:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: z.glue.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:21:38 -0400 (EDT) From: James Howard To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Mark Ovens , NoP / Compiler , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: redhat.org???? In-Reply-To: <50030.958594269@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 17 May 2000, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Erm? How could freefall.freebsd.org give you any answer at all? > It doesn't even run a named. Wait, it get's better still :) howardjp@byzantine:~$ whois redhat.org Whois Server Version 1.1 Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. Domain Name: REDHAT.ORG Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC. Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com Referral URL: www.networksolutions.com Name Server: NS1.DREAMFORGE.NET Name Server: NS2.DREAMFORGE.NET Updated Date: 15-may-2000 howardjp@byzantine:~$ nslookup www.redhat.org 142.31.214.250 Server: www.itcp.sd63.bc.ca Address: 142.31.214.250 *** www.itcp.sd63.bc.ca can't find www.redhat.org: Non-existent host/domain howardjp@byzantine:~$ nslookup www.redhat.org 142.31.214.240 *** Can't find server name for address 142.31.214.240: No response from server *** Default servers are not available howardjp@byzantine:~$ Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 13:45:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2177E37BCE0; Wed, 17 May 2000 13:44:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.com (p3E9D38F7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.157.56.247]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19129; Wed, 17 May 2000 22:44:32 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE7AAC2C; Wed, 17 May 2000 22:44:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from alex@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24228; Wed, 17 May 2000 22:44:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:44:40 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: newbus documentation Message-ID: <20000517224440.A24185@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <20000516224540.A16053@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000517101844.C493@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000517101844.C493@cichlids.cichlids.com>; from alex@big.endian.de on Wed, May 17, 2000 at 10:18:44AM +0200 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Second revision is online at http://big.endian.de/misc/newbus-intro.txt The led-driver is still in the tar.gz I posted yesterday, but this tar.gz still has version 1. Please, guys. READ IT! COMMENTS! Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 14: 0:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hydrant.intranova.net (hydrant.intranova.net [209.201.95.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA7C37B512 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 14:00:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oogali@intranova.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hydrant.intranova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50902E10BC; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:01:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Omachonu Ogali To: James Howard Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Mark Ovens , NoP / Compiler , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: redhat.org???? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 17 May 2000, James Howard wrote: > On Wed, 17 May 2000, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > howardjp@byzantine:~$ nslookup www.redhat.org > > > Server: ns2.umd.edu > > > Address: 128.8.76.2 > > > > > > Non-authoritative answer: > > > Name: freefall.freebsd.org > > > Address: 204.216.27.21 > > > Aliases: www.redhat.org, www.freebsd.org > > > > > > howardjp@byzantine:~$ > > > > Erm? How could freefall.freebsd.org give you any answer at all? > > It doesn't even run a named. > > Why are people responding to month-old email today? > > Anyway, that is not what this means, this means that www.redhat.org points > to freefall.freebsd.org. Except this is no longer the case... > > howardjp@byzantine:~$ nslookup www.redhat.org > Server: ns2.umd.edu > Address: 128.8.76.2 > > Non-authoritative answer: > Name: nbwww.isc.org > Address: 204.152.186.171 > Aliases: www.redhat.org, www.netbsd.org > > howardjp@byzantine:~$ > > Well, I am sure it makes sense to someone :) > > Jamie > It's been round-robin'd between www.redhat.org and www.freebsd.org for a while...just noticing the NetBSD change. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Omachonu Ogali oogali@intranova.net | | Intranova Networking Group http://tribune.intranova.net | | PGP Key ID: 0xBFE60839 | | PGP Fingerprint: C8 51 14 FD 2A 87 53 D1 E3 AA 12 12 01 93 BD 34 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 14:30: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5ED737BD0C for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 14:30:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA97876; Wed, 17 May 2000 14:30:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1AF37BB06 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 14:25:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.com (p3E9D38F7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.157.56.247]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30346 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 23:25:08 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F89CAC2C for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 23:25:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from alex@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26114; Wed, 17 May 2000 23:25:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) Message-Id: <200005172125.XAA26114@cichlids.cichlids.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:25:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Langer Reply-To: alex@cichlids.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18625: correct invalid mdoc reference in BUS_PRINT_CHILD.9 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18625 >Category: docs >Synopsis: correct invalid mdoc reference in BUS_PRINT_CHILD.9 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed May 17 14:30:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Alexander Langer >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: none, dammnit >Environment: >Description: tached to. Please see bus_generic_print_child.9 for more information re- -> add .Xr >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Index: BUS_PRINT_CHILD.9 =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/home/ncvs/src/share/man/man9/BUS_PRINT_CHILD.9,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -r1.6 BUS_PRINT_CHILD.9 49,50c49,52 < Please see bus_generic_print_child.9 for more information regarding < the proper formatting of the messages printed by BUS_PRINT_CHILD. --- > Please see > .Xr bus_generic_print_child 9 > for more information regarding the proper formatting of the messages > printed by BUS_PRINT_CHILD. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 14:44:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE9E37BEDE; Wed, 17 May 2000 14:44:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from hoek@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA00719; Wed, 17 May 2000 14:44:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:44:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005172144.OAA00719@freefall.freebsd.org> To: tomdean@ix.netcom.com, hoek@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18233 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: man and nroff -mdoc produce extra blank lines. State-Changed-From-To: closed->open State-Changed-By: hoek State-Changed-When: Wed May 17 14:42:12 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: It's not clear what's going on at page breaks. That doesn't necessarily mean it's a bug, but I am curious to know what's going on. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 14:50: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 984CA37BF89 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 14:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA01495; Wed, 17 May 2000 14:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005172150.OAA01495@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Tim Vanderhoek Subject: Re: docs/18233 Reply-To: Tim Vanderhoek Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18233; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Tim Vanderhoek To: "Thomas D. Dean" Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/18233 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:42:08 -0400 On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 07:58:37PM -0700, Thomas D. Dean wrote: > > I have included two examples. > > The first has EXTRA blank lines at page boundaries. > > The second has three blank lines after after the line 'bin directory': Well, I can't explain what's going on, but I'm not quite convinced it's a bug, either. I played with troff a little, and have confirmed that their are 66 lines_per_page, which doesn't help much. I'll re-open the PR, but maybe James Clark, author of groff, would be a better resource for this problem. -- Signature withheld by request of author. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 15:15:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63E037C24E for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id PAA04091; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ACEE37C084 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:02:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.com (p3E9D38F7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.157.56.247]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07149 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 00:02:35 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D204AC2C for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 00:02:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from root@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29035; Thu, 18 May 2000 00:02:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) Message-Id: <200005172202.AAA29035@cichlids.cichlids.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 00:02:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Langer Reply-To: alex@cichlids.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18627: add description for waitfor in VFS_SYNC(9) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18627 >Category: docs >Synopsis: add description for waitfor in VFS_SYNC(9) >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed May 17 15:10:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Alexander Langer >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: none >Environment: >Description: Readthing VFS_SYNC, I asked: Hmm, is the waitfor flag a boolean or what? I took a look into the source and found out: NO, there are three possible values. This adds the description. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Index: VFS_SYNC.9 =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/home/ncvs/src/share/man/man9/VFS_SYNC.9,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.6 VFS_SYNC.9 --- VFS_SYNC.9 1999/08/28 00:21:09 1.6 +++ VFS_SYNC.9 2000/05/17 21:59:31 @@ -48,7 +48,16 @@ .It Ar mp The filesystem. .It Ar waitfor -Whether the function should wait for I/O to complete. +Whether the function should wait for I/O to complete. Possible values +are: +.Bl -tag -width MNT_NOWAIT +.It Va MNT_WAIT +synchronously wait for I/O to complete +.It Va MNT_NOWAIT +start all I/O, but do not wait for it +.It Va MNT_LAZY +push data not written by filesystem syncer +.El .It Ar cred The caller's credentials. .It Ar p >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 15:20: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4858137B610 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:20:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id PAA05381; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:20:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3CC537C01C for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:11:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.com (p3E9D38F7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.157.56.247]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09860 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 00:11:01 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53727AC2C for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 00:11:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from root@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA29402; Thu, 18 May 2000 00:11:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) Message-Id: <200005172211.AAA29402@cichlids.cichlids.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 00:11:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Langer Reply-To: alex@cichlids.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18628: same for VOP_FSYNC Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18628 >Category: docs >Synopsis: same for VOP_FSYNC >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed May 17 15:20:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Alexander Langer >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: none >Environment: >Description: Please see my former PR about this thing. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Index: VOP_FSYNC.9 =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/home/ncvs/src/share/man/man9/VOP_FSYNC.9,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.6 VOP_FSYNC.9 --- VOP_FSYNC.9 1999/08/28 00:21:12 1.6 +++ VOP_FSYNC.9 2000/05/17 22:10:01 @@ -54,7 +54,16 @@ .It Ar cred the caller's credentials .It Ar waitfor -whether the function should wait for I/O to complete +whether the function should wait for I/O to complete. Possible values +are: +.Bl -tag -width MNT_NOWAIT +.It Va MNT_WAIT +synchronously wait for I/O to complete +.It Va MNT_NOWAIT +start all I/O, but do not wait for it +.It Va MNT_LAZY +push data not written by filesystem syncer +.El .It Ar p the calling process .El >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 15:50: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690D337B530 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:50:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id PAA08932; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:50:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005172250.PAA08932@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Alexander Langer Subject: Re: docs/18627: add description for waitfor in VFS_SYNC(9) Reply-To: Alexander Langer Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18627; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Alexander Langer To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Subject: Re: docs/18627: add description for waitfor in VFS_SYNC(9) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 00:49:31 +0200 Thus spake Alexander Langer (alex@cichlids.com): > +.It Va MNT_WAIT Should that be Dv and not Va? Not sure, please correct if it is the case. Thanks. Alex -- I need a new ~/.sig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 16: 0: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBCE37B6F6 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id QAA09946; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005172300.QAA09946@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Alexander Langer Subject: Re: docs/18628: same for VOP_FSYNC Reply-To: Alexander Langer Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18628; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Alexander Langer To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Subject: Re: docs/18628: same for VOP_FSYNC Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 00:50:10 +0200 Thus spake Alexander Langer (alex@cichlids.com): > +.It Va MNT_WAIT Also, maybe Dv and not Va, please correct if this is the case. Thanks, Alex, still learning. -- I need a new ~/.sig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 16:17: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (law-f5.hotmail.com [209.185.131.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 94D4637BAA0 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:17:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kaz1n@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 93117 invoked by uid 0); 17 May 2000 23:17:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20000517231707.93116.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 24.64.2.38 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:17:06 PDT X-Originating-IP: [24.64.2.38] From: "kkk kkk" To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: docs Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:17:06 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello I was wondering if you could help me I'm new with unix, I have had 2 months experiance with linux and have tried to switch to freebsd for i heard it was the best. After i installed it it gave me a prompt under root how would I install packages or say on this. Can't kde or say gnome be installed at the installtion?? If theres any docs of what you do just after the installtion it would be of great help ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 16:28: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from azazel.zer0.org (azazel.zer0.org [209.133.53.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C35B37BCB6 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:28:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by azazel.zer0.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id QAA57789; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:27:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:27:15 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: kkk kkk Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs Message-ID: <20000517162715.B55702@azazel.zer0.org> References: <20000517231707.93116.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000517231707.93116.qmail@hotmail.com>; from kaz1n@hotmail.com on Wed, May 17, 2000 at 04:17:06PM -0700 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2000-05-17 16:17 -0700, kkk kkk wrote: > Hello I was wondering if you could help me I'm new with unix, I have had 2 > months experiance with linux and have tried to switch to freebsd for i heard > it was the best. > After i installed it it gave me a prompt under root how would I install > packages or say on this. Can't kde or say gnome be installed at the > installtion?? > If theres any docs of what you do just after the installtion it would be of > great help Here's a just-after-installation doc: http://www.daemonnews.org/200005/newbies.html I also suggest that you try sysinstall again, by executing /stand/sysinstall and selecting "Configure an existing system", then "configure XFree86 desktop". From there, you can automagically install X and one of several toolkits and window managers. Finally, don't miss the FreeBSD Handbook, the all-knowing, all-seeing guide to doing anything with FreeBSD. Well, we're working on it, anyway. http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ Good luck! Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter "How do I read this file?" mailto:gsutter@zer0.org "You uudecode it." http://www.zer0.org/~gsutter/ "I I I decode it?" PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 16:30: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 422FC37BB35 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id QAA12779; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from dannyboy.eyep.net (adsl-207-68-89-183.ba-dsg.net [207.68.89.183]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA45537BBB6 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:22:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyboy@dannyboy.eyep.net) Received: (from dannyboy@localhost) by dannyboy.eyep.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02625; Wed, 17 May 2000 19:21:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dannyboy) Message-Id: <200005172321.TAA02625@dannyboy.eyep.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:21:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Harris Reply-To: dannyboy@subdimension.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18630: minor applications.html fixes Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18630 >Category: docs >Synopsis: minor applications.html fixes >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed May 17 16:30:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Daniel Harris >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: Pedants-R-US >Environment: >Description: A few errors here: Changed "the kernel plus source code..." to "the kernel and..." Made the three red sections parallel (sort of). Zapped a superfluous "to". Finally, fixed an effect/affect goof -- you'll find that the previous verbiage mistakenly refers to Microsoft's marketing strategy and not to FreeBSD's developers. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- applications.sgml.orig Wed May 17 18:54:57 2000 +++ applications.sgml Wed May 17 18:58:44 2000 @@ -24,7 +24,7 @@

There is no doubt that so-called open systems are the requirement for today's computing applications. But no commercial vendor-supplied solution is more open than one which includes full - source code to the entire operating system, including the kernel plus + source code to the entire operating system, including the kernel and all of the system daemons, programs, and utilities. You can modify any part of FreeBSD to suit your personal, organizational, or corporate needs.

@@ -106,20 +106,20 @@
An operating system that will grow with + color="#FF0000">FreeBSD is an operating system that will grow with your needs.

Though FreeBSD is free software, it is also user supported software. Any questions you have can be posted to hundreds of - FreeBSD developers and users simply by e-mailing to the freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG mailing list.

FreeBSD also has a worldwide group of programmers and writers who fix bugs, add new features and document the system. Support for new devices or special features is an almost constant development process, - and the team keeps a special eye out for problems which effect system + and the team keeps a special eye out for problems which affect system stability. FreeBSD users are quite proud of not only how fast but how reliable their systems are.

>Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 16:41:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (brisba6.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.66.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42FD37BA83; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:41:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA00422; Thu, 18 May 2000 09:41:37 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "ROADRUNNER" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdrNH420; Thu May 18 09:41:35 2000 Message-ID: <028a01bfc059$e2647540$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> From: "Doug Young" To: "kkk kkk" , Cc: References: <20000517231707.93116.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: docs Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:44:45 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think this question should have been posted to either newbies or questions :) (I've forwarded it there now). Actually the business of adding extra packages or ports is extremely simple in FreeBSD ..... just type "/stand/sysinstall" at the command prompt and read whatever pops up ----- Original Message ----- From: "kkk kkk" To: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 9:17 AM Subject: docs > Hello I was wondering if you could help me I'm new with unix, I have had 2 > months experiance with linux and have tried to switch to freebsd for i heard > it was the best. > After i installed it it gave me a prompt under root how would I install > packages or say on this. Can't kde or say gnome be installed at the > installtion?? > If theres any docs of what you do just after the installtion it would be of > great help > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 17:11:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from melete.ch.intel.com (melete.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FAD337B9EC for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:11:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by melete.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.28 2000/05/06 00:07:11 dmccart Exp $) with ESMTP id AAA25710; Thu, 18 May 2000 00:12:04 GMT Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.10 2000/02/10 21:38:16 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id RAA17112; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:10:57 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id UAA21614; Wed, 17 May 2000 20:10:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14627.13585.440530.238245@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:10:57 -0700 (MST) To: Gregory Sutter Cc: kkk kkk , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs In-Reply-To: <20000517162715.B55702@azazel.zer0.org> References: <20000517231707.93116.qmail@hotmail.com> <20000517162715.B55702@azazel.zer0.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.3.11 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ On Wednesday, May 17, Gregory Sutter wrote: ] > > Here's a just-after-installation doc: > http://www.daemonnews.org/200005/newbies.html > > I also suggest that you try sysinstall again, by executing > /stand/sysinstall > and selecting "Configure an existing system", then "configure > XFree86 desktop". From there, you can automagically install > X and one of several toolkits and window managers. Also, doing a "standard installation" (in 4.0--also known as "novice installation" in 3.4 and below) will prompt you about configuring a window manager during the course of the install. If you chose 'custom install' it won't do this unless you explicitly "know what you're doing" and Do The Right Thing(tm) at the right time. -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 17:22:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891B137BBC1; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:22:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from chris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id RAA42220; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:22:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:22:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005180022.RAA42220@freefall.freebsd.org> To: alex@cichlids.com, chris@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18625 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: correct invalid mdoc reference in BUS_PRINT_CHILD.9 State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: chris State-Changed-When: Wed May 17 17:21:08 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed, revision 1.7 of src/share/man/man9/BUS_PRINT_CHILD.9. Thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 18:10: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854AC37BAAC for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 18:10:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id SAA73554; Wed, 17 May 2000 18:10:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from dannyboy.eyep.net (adsl-207-68-88-246.ba-dsg.net [207.68.88.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E4E37B818 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 18:04:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyboy@dannyboy.eyep.net) Received: (from dannyboy@localhost) by dannyboy.eyep.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03308; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:03:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dannyboy) Message-Id: <200005180103.VAA03308@dannyboy.eyep.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:03:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Harris Reply-To: dannyboy@subdimension.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18632: Minor grammar nit: internet.html Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18632 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Minor grammar nit: internet.html >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed May 17 18:10:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Daniel Harris >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: Pedants-R-US >Environment: >Description: The FreeBSD development team changes from singular to plural: The FreeBSD development team is as concerned about security as they are about performance. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Change "as they are" to "as it is". >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 19:56:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C365B37B5B3 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 19:56:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [213.1.198.134] (helo=parish.my.domain) by protactinium with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12sAE4-0004rm-00; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:15:28 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02308; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:15:23 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 21:15:23 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: NoP / Compiler , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: redhat.org???? Message-ID: <20000517211523.H232@parish> References: <20000517193119.B232@parish> <50030.958594269@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <50030.958594269@localhost>; from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com on Wed, May 17, 2000 at 01:11:09PM -0700 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 01:11:09PM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > It's amazing what a typo will get you... > > > > howardjp@byzantine:~$ nslookup www.redhat.org > > Server: ns2.umd.edu > > Address: 128.8.76.2 > > > > Non-authoritative answer: > > Name: freefall.freebsd.org > > Address: 204.216.27.21 > > Aliases: www.redhat.org, www.freebsd.org > > > > howardjp@byzantine:~$ > > Erm? How could freefall.freebsd.org give you any answer at all? > It doesn't even run a named. > I really don't know. I was just suggesting where the original poster to *this* thread may have got the idea/information. Maybe the line "It's amazing what a typo will get you..." in the post I quoted referred to a typo in the DNS records on the server he used, ns2.umd.edu, > - Jordan -- ...and on the eighth day God created UNIX ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 20:15:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from po4.glue.umd.edu (po4.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C83537B540 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 20:15:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@glue.umd.edu) Received: from y.glue.umd.edu (root@y.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.68]) by po4.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03609; Wed, 17 May 2000 23:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from y.glue.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by y.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA10589; Wed, 17 May 2000 23:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by y.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10585; Wed, 17 May 2000 23:15:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: y.glue.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:15:13 -0400 (EDT) From: James Howard To: Mark Ovens Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , NoP / Compiler , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: redhat.org???? In-Reply-To: <20000517211523.H232@parish> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 17 May 2000, Mark Ovens wrote: > I really don't know. I was just suggesting where the original poster > to *this* thread may have got the idea/information. > > Maybe the line "It's amazing what a typo will get you..." in the post > I quoted referred to a typo in the DNS records on the server he used, > ns2.umd.edu, I did a whois and used the two nameservers listed as authoritative. I got www.freebsd.org for one and www.redhat.com for the other. This was not included in the email. However, as I emailed earlier tonight, the two authoritative servers don't know anything about www.redhat.org. Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 21:40: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF2337BA5E for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id VAA97471; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com (praseodumium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AED37B995 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:39:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [213.1.198.134] (helo=parish.my.domain) by protactinium with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12s9it-0005Y0-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 May 2000 20:43:16 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02123; Wed, 17 May 2000 20:43:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Message-Id: <200005171943.UAA02123@parish.my.domain> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:43:11 +0100 (BST) From: Mark Ovens Reply-To: Mark Ovens To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18636: [PATCH] Fix typo in ports section of the handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18636 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] Fix typo in ports section of the handbook >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed May 17 21:40:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Mark Ovens >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: >Description: Typo in section 4.4 of the handbook >How-To-Repeat: RTFM :) >Fix: *** chapter.sgml.orig Wed May 17 20:38:56 2000 --- chapter.sgml Wed May 17 20:39:12 2000 *************** *** 986,992 **** ! Advaned Topics The documentation that was here has been moved to its own Porter's Handbook for ease of --- 986,992 ---- ! Advanced Topics The documentation that was here has been moved to its own Porter's Handbook for ease of >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 17 23:52:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from tdl.com (pm4-3.tdl.com [206.180.234.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15B137BD32 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 23:52:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wdr@tdl.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tdl.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01440 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 23:53:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wdr@tdl.com) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:53:57 -0700 (PDT) From: William Richard X-Sender: wdr@wdr.my.domain To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18632: Minor grammar nit: internet.html (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The FreeBSD development team is as concerned about security as they are > about performance. > > Change "as they are" to "as it is". Might I suggest: "The FreeBSD developers are as concerned about security as they are about performance." Here we have individual developers rather than an impersonal "development team". Just a suggestion. WR -- William Richard BSD Unix Consultant Tel/Fax: 925-480-2319 x1951 E-Mail: wdr@tdl.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 18 2:32:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E5D37B644; Thu, 18 May 2000 02:32:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p09-dn01kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.10]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id SAA28651; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:31:46 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3923B8D7.FE5A8583@newsguy.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:33:11 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Langer Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: newbus documentation References: <20000516224540.A16053@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000517101844.C493@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000517224440.A24185@cichlids.cichlids.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alexander Langer wrote: > > Second revision is online at > http://big.endian.de/misc/newbus-intro.txt > > The led-driver is still in the tar.gz I posted yesterday, but this > tar.gz still has version 1. > > Please, guys. READ IT! COMMENTS! DRIVER_MODULE(9)??? Isn't it driver(9) you are talking about? -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@another.bsdconspiracy.org "Sentience hurts." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 18 2:38:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869A737BCD9 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 02:38:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.com (p3E9D38D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.157.56.216]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06677; Thu, 18 May 2000 11:38:35 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A625AC2C; Thu, 18 May 2000 11:38:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from alex@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02438; Thu, 18 May 2000 11:38:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:38:49 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: newbus documentation Message-ID: <20000518113849.D1773@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <20000516224540.A16053@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000517101844.C493@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000517224440.A24185@cichlids.cichlids.com> <3923B8D7.FE5A8583@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3923B8D7.FE5A8583@newsguy.com>; from dcs@newsguy.com on Thu, May 18, 2000 at 06:33:11PM +0900 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Daniel C. Sobral (dcs@newsguy.com): > DRIVER_MODULE(9)??? Isn't it driver(9) you are talking about? Uhm, no. I wrote DRIVER_MODULE(9) two days ago :-) (I'm awaiting reviews or something:) http://big.endian.de/FreeBSD/DRIVER_MODULE.9 I'll add references to driver(9) and device(9) soon, too. Thanks, Alex -- I need a new ~/.sig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 18 3: 0: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8680937B7EF; Thu, 18 May 2000 02:59:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p09-dn01kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.10]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id SAA05345; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:59:45 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3923BF66.398B3A9A@newsguy.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 19:01:10 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Langer Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: newbus documentation References: <20000516224540.A16053@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000517101844.C493@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000517224440.A24185@cichlids.cichlids.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alexander Langer wrote: > > Second revision is online at > http://big.endian.de/misc/newbus-intro.txt > > The led-driver is still in the tar.gz I posted yesterday, but this > tar.gz still has version 1. > > Please, guys. READ IT! COMMENTS! Also, don't use abbreviations such as JFYI. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@another.bsdconspiracy.org "Sentience hurts." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 18 3:14:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com (praseodumium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F9C37BE11 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 03:14:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [62.7.33.41] (helo=parish.my.domain) by gadolinium with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12s8bO-0002od-00; Wed, 17 May 2000 19:31:26 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01139; Wed, 17 May 2000 19:31:19 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:31:19 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: NoP / Compiler , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: redhat.org???? Message-ID: <20000517193119.B232@parish> References: <391E8111.CBB9E4E@todolinux.org> <26988.958551544@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <26988.958551544@localhost>; from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com on Wed, May 17, 2000 at 01:19:04AM -0700 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 01:19:04AM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > I can't understand why FreeBSD has registered redhat.org and > > has put into that domain freebsd pages... It does not give a > > good image of FreeBSD, IMHO. > > "FreeBSD" has done no such thing and I can't understand why you could > even infer such a thing from the available evidence: > He may have been referring to a post on -chat on 18/4 entitled ``Whoa!'': It's amazing what a typo will get you... howardjp@byzantine:~$ nslookup www.redhat.org Server: ns2.umd.edu Address: 128.8.76.2 Non-authoritative answer: Name: freefall.freebsd.org Address: 204.216.27.21 Aliases: www.redhat.org, www.freebsd.org howardjp@byzantine:~$ I tried it at the time and got the same response, but not anymore: parish:/usr/marko{61}% nslookup www.redhat.org Server: americium.btinternet.com Address: 194.73.73.94 Non-authoritative answer: Name: www.portal.redhat.com Addresses: 206.132.41.202, 206.132.41.203, 206.132.41.231 Aliases: www.redhat.org, www.redhat.com parish:/usr/marko{62}% > % whois redhat.org > ... > TotalConnect Internet (REDHAT3-DOM) > 3715 Blenkinsop Rd. > Victoria, BC V8P-3P2 > > As even the most elementary research shows, this is clearly a Canadian > site. It has absolutely nothing to do with the FreeBSD Project, nor > does: > > Huot, Marc (MHH155) marc@DREAMFORGE.NET > 3715 Blenkinsop Rd. > Victoria > BC > V8P-3P2 > > Visiting dreamforge.net's web site also does not indicate that there > is any connection between this site and FreeBSD in any official way. > > This is the Internet. Until Network Solutions changes their > registration policy, people can register whichever domains they damn > well please, including pepsi.net or iamlinustorvalds.com, and point > them wherever they want them to point. None of this, however, has > anything to do with the FreeBSD project, it's nothing that the FreeBSD > project can change and I'm mystified that anyone could ever think > otherwise. > > - Jordan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- ...and on the eighth day God created UNIX ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 18 5:50:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC88E37BFD8 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 05:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id FAA39734; Thu, 18 May 2000 05:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A49037BE02 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 05:43:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.com (p3E9D38D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.157.56.216]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20490 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:42:54 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE186AC2C for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:42:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from alex@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05784; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:42:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) Message-Id: <200005181242.OAA05784@cichlids.cichlids.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:42:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Langer Reply-To: alex@cichlids.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18653: add DRIVER_MODULE(9) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18653 >Category: docs >Synopsis: add DRIVER_MODULE(9) >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu May 18 05:50:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Alexander Langer >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: none >Environment: >Description: Add DRIVER_MODULE(9), I think that is useful, since we have DRIVER_(PROBE,ATTACH,DETACH)(9), too. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: begin 644 DRIVER_MODULE.9 M+EPB("TJ+2!N&%N9&5R($QA;F=E<@HN7"(*+EPB($%L;"!R:6=H=',@2!F;W)M2!F;W)M(&UU7,O8G5S+F@^"BY&;B!$4DE615)?34]$54Q%(")N86UE(B`B8G5S;F%M92(@ M(F1R:79E7-T M96TN($EN(&9A8W0L(`HN1FX@1%))5D527TU/1%5,10IE>'!A;F1S('1O('1H M92!R96%L(&1R:79E2!O M9B!M86MI;F<@9G)O;G1E;F1S(&9O&%M<&QE('EO=2!C;W5L9"!D;SH*+E!P"BY&;B!$4DE615)- M3T153$4@(F9O;R(@(FES82(@(F9O;U]I6]U$!B:6Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 18 7: 0:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48FB037BAC9 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 07:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA10674; Thu, 18 May 2000 07:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6D337B6BE for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 06:58:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.com (p3E9D38D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.157.56.216]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13056 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 15:58:01 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816EFAC2C for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 15:58:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from alex@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07227; Thu, 18 May 2000 15:58:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) Message-Id: <200005181358.PAA07227@cichlids.cichlids.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:58:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Langer Reply-To: alex@cichlids.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18654: add DEVICE_IDENTIFY.9 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18654 >Category: docs >Synopsis: add DEVICE_IDENTIFY.9 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu May 18 07:00:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Alexander Langer >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: none >Environment: >Description: Add DEVICE_IDENTIFY(9), for consistency to ATTACH/DETACH/SHUTDOWN >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: cvs diff: Diffing . Index: DEVICE_ATTACH.9 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/share/man/man9/DEVICE_ATTACH.9,v retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.3 DEVICE_ATTACH.9 --- DEVICE_ATTACH.9 1999/08/28 00:21:05 1.3 +++ DEVICE_ATTACH.9 2000/05/18 13:42:34 @@ -49,6 +49,7 @@ Zero is returned on success, otherwise an appropriate error is returned. .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr device 9 , +.Xr DEVICE_IDENTIFY 9 , .Xr DEVICE_DETACH 9 , .Xr DEVICE_PROBE 9 .Sh AUTHORS Index: DEVICE_DETACH.9 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/share/man/man9/DEVICE_DETACH.9,v retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.3 DEVICE_DETACH.9 --- DEVICE_DETACH.9 1999/08/28 00:21:06 1.3 +++ DEVICE_DETACH.9 2000/05/18 13:42:50 @@ -54,6 +54,7 @@ Zero is returned on success, otherwise an appropriate error is returned. .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr device 9 , +.Xr DEVICE_IDENTIFY 9 , .Xr DEVICE_ATTACH 9 .Sh AUTHORS This man page was written by begin 644 DEVICE_IDENTIFY.9 M+EPB("TJ+2!N&%N9&5R($QA;F=E<@HN7"(*+EPB($%L;"!R:6=H=',@2!F;W)M2!F;W)M(&UU'`@)`HN7"(*+D1D($UA>2`Q."P@,C`P,`HN1'0@1$5624-% M7TE$14Y42499(#D*+D]S($9R965"4T0*+E-H($Y!344*+DYM($1%5DE#15]) M1$5.5$E&60HN3F0@:61E;G1I9GD@82!D979I8V4L(')E9VES=&5R(&ET"BY3 M:"!364Y/4%-)4PHN1F0@(VEN8VQU9&4@/'-Y2!A(&1E=FEC92!I;B!T:&4@2AD$!B:6Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 18 7:25:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.ops.uunet.co.za (axl.ops.uunet.co.za [196.31.2.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A1537B5D1 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 07:25:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.ops.uunet.co.za) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.ops.uunet.co.za) by axl.ops.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12sRE3-000EOa-00; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:24:35 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Narvi Cc: FreeBSD Documentation Project Subject: Re: Maybe we should add a link to this In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 17 May 2000 21:44:46 +0200." Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:24:35 +0200 Message-ID: <55339.958659875@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 17 May 2000 21:44:46 +0200, Narvi wrote: > somewhere in the docs? > > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/kirkmck.html > > Like in the unix history bibliography or somesuch? Holy ____!!! That book is hardcore. We should probably have a link to http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/toc.html from our biblio, rather than to just the one article. This is definitely something to buy and lend to friends! :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 18 8:49: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D4337B50D for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 08:49:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA15108; Thu, 18 May 2000 17:48:47 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:48:47 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: FreeBSD Documentation Project Subject: Re: Maybe we should add a link to this In-Reply-To: <55339.958659875@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 18 May 2000, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > On Wed, 17 May 2000 21:44:46 +0200, Narvi wrote: > > > somewhere in the docs? > > > > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/kirkmck.html > > > > Like in the unix history bibliography or somesuch? > > Holy ____!!! That book is hardcore. > > We should probably have a link to > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/toc.html from our > biblio, rather than to just the one article. > > This is definitely something to buy and lend to friends! :-) > I found the link to it in the Salon article they are so hottly discussing on -chat 8-) > Ciao, > Sheldon. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 18 11:16:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021F137B858 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 11:16:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA76957 for doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 May 2000 19:15:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 19:15:30 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Lost mail, please resend Message-ID: <20000518191530.A76781@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi guys, It's the usual story of user stupidty overwriting critical data. In this case, some personal mail for the past seven days or so. If you've e-mailed me stuff for the doc project recently that I haven't replied to, please resend it. Sorry for the inconvenience. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 18 13:38:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD2D37B9DA; Thu, 18 May 2000 13:38:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.com (p3E9D38D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.157.56.216]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12885; Thu, 18 May 2000 22:38:29 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288E1AC2C; Thu, 18 May 2000 22:38:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from alex@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16429; Thu, 18 May 2000 22:38:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:38:46 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: doc@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: request for review: bus_alloc_resource(9) Message-ID: <20000518223846.A16098@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! I've written bus_alloc_resource(9). I need one with _experience_ on newbus to review it. http://big.endian.de/FreeBSD/bus_alloc_resource.9 Thanks! Alex -- I need a new ~/.sig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 18 14: 8: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dannyboy.eyep.net (adsl-207-68-92-185.ba-dsg.net [207.68.92.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E873D37B954 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:07:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyboy@subdimension.com) Received: from subdimension.com (dannyboy@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dannyboy.eyep.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01780; Thu, 18 May 2000 17:07:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dannyboy@subdimension.com) Message-ID: <39245B80.77271F51@subdimension.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:07:12 -0400 From: Daniel Harris X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: William Richard Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18632: Minor grammar nit: internet.html (fwd) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org William Richard wrote: > Here we have individual developers rather than an impersonal "development > team". Just a suggestion. I didn't write the original doc :-). I agree, actually. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 18 14:42:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DF537B923; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:42:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA45436; Thu, 18 May 2000 17:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:42:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Alexander Langer Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: request for review: bus_alloc_resource(9) In-Reply-To: <20000518223846.A16098@cichlids.cichlids.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 18 May 2000, Alexander Langer wrote: > I've written bus_alloc_resource(9). > > I need one with _experience_ on newbus to review it. > > http://big.endian.de/FreeBSD/bus_alloc_resource.9 You still don't understand what the 'rid' parameter is. Think of an 'rid' as in index into an array of like resources. A resource is just a range; start and length, and a type. The 'rid' has nothing to do with offsets into a memory/port resource. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 18 14:45:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wasp.eng.ufl.edu (wasp.eng.ufl.edu [128.227.116.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA8137B8D7 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:45:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bob@eng.ufl.edu) Received: from eng.ufl.edu (scanner.engnet.ufl.edu [128.227.152.221]) by wasp.eng.ufl.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08113 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 17:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39246469.B1CD036D@eng.ufl.edu> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:45:13 -0400 From: Bob Johnson Organization: University of Florida X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Bad link in Handbook Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Got this error message in WWW copy of handbook today. It says it all (well, it doesn't tell you that the info I want was moved to the Porter's Handbook, which I can't find. > > > FreeBSD.org - Document not found > > The file > > http://www.freebsd.org/porters-handbook/ > > does not exist at this server. You are coming from > > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/porting.html. > > The closest match to your request is http://www.freebsd.org. Please contact the server administrator www@FreeBSD.org. > > Thank you very much! > > > www@FreeBSD.org I'm sending this to doc, not www. I think that will be faster. If the Porter's Handbook doesn't exist on the WWW site yet, can the material be temporarily put back in the Handbook? Or is that too much work for the temporary benefit? -- Bob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 18 14:46:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (adsl-63-206-88-224.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.206.88.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8388B37BDC5; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:46:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05154; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:47:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200005182147.OAA05154@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Cc: Alexander Langer , doc@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: request for review: bus_alloc_resource(9) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 18 May 2000 17:42:43 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:47:17 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Thu, 18 May 2000, Alexander Langer wrote: > > I've written bus_alloc_resource(9). > > > > I need one with _experience_ on newbus to review it. > > > > http://big.endian.de/FreeBSD/bus_alloc_resource.9 > > You still don't understand what the 'rid' parameter is. > > Think of an 'rid' as in index into an array of like resources. A resource > is just a range; start and length, and a type. The 'rid' has nothing to > do with offsets into a memory/port resource. More to the point, the rid is a bus-specific uniqifier - it's not necessarily even a linear index (consider eg. PCI). -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 18 16:33:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656EA37BCB7; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:32:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA91431; Thu, 18 May 2000 17:32:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA97696; Thu, 18 May 2000 17:32:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200005182332.RAA97696@harmony.village.org> To: Alexander Langer Subject: Re: request for review: bus_alloc_resource(9) Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 18 May 2000 22:38:46 +0200." <20000518223846.A16098@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <20000518223846.A16098@cichlids.cichlids.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:32:06 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Some problems. Here's my comments. I'm posting them in case my understanding is inaccurate. If it is, I don't want you to codify it. And I want to know so I don't keep misunderstanding :-) First, rid. "rid" is a bus specific handle that identifies the resource being allocated. For ISA this is an index into an array of resources that have been setup for this device by either the PnP mechanism, or via the hints mechanism. For PCCARD, similar things are used, but that may change in the future with newcard. For PCI it just happens to be the offset into pci config space which has a word that describes the resource. Who knows what it will be for other things. Second, RF_SHAREABLE should generally never be used. There's one exception. That's for interrupts that can be shared in the hardware. PCI bus is the only bus that does this reliably. Since the PCCARD bus can be bridged to the ISA bus or to PCI bus, you can't reliably share interrupts there. ISA bus interrupts cannot be shared (well, unless you have custom hardware or hack stock hardware, but if you are doing that, then you know what you are doing). Memory resources, ioport resources, etc are not usually shared between devices. There are lots of bus issues with doing that when you have a driver for multiple hungs of hardware. There are exceptions ot that, but not enough to be worth messing with. The dev parameter is the device requesting ownership, and optional activation of this resource. The parent, or its parent, owns the resource until it is delegated to this device. [[ as an aside, this is generally only done in the nexus, but may be done in pccard in the future ]]. When default values are used for start and end, then the count parameter may be ignored and the amount of resource specified by the bus, or the hints mechanism, is used instead of the vaule passed in. This is why you often see '1'. RF_ACTIVE doesn't need to be set. Once can reserve the resource before activating it. RF_ACTIVATE doesn't mean that the device has been activated, but rather that the bus_activate_resource() method should be called to cause the resource to become active. This isn't important on the ISA bus since resources are always active (even in the PnP model). For other buses, this may cause the bus bridges to make the resources actually available. The bus methods are free to change the RIDs that are passed to it. That's why it is a pointer. Many devices in the tree blindly assume that htis isn't the case and do not store the rids for later freeing. Bus interfaces may change in the future which might cause changes to happen where they don't happen today. Think of rids a a well defined cookie. One cookie may be a meta-cookie that causes the real cookie to be returned. Generally, one should mirror one's allocate and release calls. A technique that works well is to set the rid/res in a softc structure and then have the detach function automatically free these resources. This allows one to call, manually, the detach function when the attach fails. One should generally only call these functions in attach. If you must call them in probe, one must release the resource before returning from the probe. However, since they can affect bridge settings, it may be unavoidable to call them from the probe routine. There's no published interface that allows a probe/identify routine to ask if a range of addresses are in use. This generally only bites those busses which aren't self identifying. Currently the ISA bus is the only bus we support that isn't self identifying. PnP helps, but when you are trying to deal with legacy hardware that doesn't support PnP it can get gross. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 18 16:54: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (adsl-63-206-88-224.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.206.88.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B0237B551; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:54:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05644; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:53:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200005182353.QAA05644@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Warner Losh Cc: Alexander Langer , doc@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: request for review: bus_alloc_resource(9) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 18 May 2000 17:32:06 MDT." <200005182332.RAA97696@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:53:50 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Second, RF_SHAREABLE should generally never be used. There's one > exception. That's for interrupts that can be shared in the hardware. Actually, this is almost exactly the wrong way up; RF_SHAREABLE should always be used unless you know that the interrupt _can't_ be shared. In many cases, the driver can't tell whether it's allocating an interrupt which is or isn't shareable, and the only code that _can_ make this determination is in the parent layers. ie. as this request propagates upwards, the parent bus(ses) code should remove the flag in cases where it's know the interrupt can't be shared. > PCI bus is the only bus that does this reliably. Since the PCCARD bus > can be bridged to the ISA bus or to PCI bus, you can't reliably share > interrupts there. ... and this is why. The pccard/cardbus bridge code, or the parent bus code, needs to decide whether the interrupt is or is not shareable - not the driver. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 18 16:58:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7425E37B5EC; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:58:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA91508; Thu, 18 May 2000 17:58:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA97841; Thu, 18 May 2000 17:57:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200005182357.RAA97841@harmony.village.org> To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: request for review: bus_alloc_resource(9) Cc: Alexander Langer , doc@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 18 May 2000 16:53:50 PDT." <200005182353.QAA05644@mass.cdrom.com> References: <200005182353.QAA05644@mass.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:57:19 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <200005182353.QAA05644@mass.cdrom.com> Mike Smith writes: : ... and this is why. The pccard/cardbus bridge code, or the parent bus : code, needs to decide whether the interrupt is or is not shareable - not : the driver. Ah. That's a good point. The ISA and PCCARD bridges should turn off interrupt sharing and the PCI and Cardbus bridges should pass it through. One other time when you can't share interrupts: Fast interrupts aren't shareable. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 18 18: 4:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net (smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net [209.3.218.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1626337BDC5; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:04:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from babkin@bellatlantic.net) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-198-135-33.bellatlantic.net [151.198.135.33]) by smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA05738; Thu, 18 May 2000 21:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3924931E.A8471B0@bellatlantic.net> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:04:30 -0400 From: Sergey Babkin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-19990626-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warner Losh Cc: Alexander Langer , doc@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: request for review: bus_alloc_resource(9) References: <20000518223846.A16098@cichlids.cichlids.com> <200005182332.RAA97696@harmony.village.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Warner Losh wrote: > > One should generally only call these functions in attach. If you must > call them in probe, one must release the resource before returning > from the probe. However, since they can affect bridge settings, it > may be unavoidable to call them from the probe routine. The code seems to guarantee that if the probe routine returns 0 then the attach routine will be called right away. So if the probe routine returns 0 they don't have to be freed. Actually, the comments seem to say explicitly that the resources should be freed only if the probe routine returns a negative value but not 0. Or am I missing something ? -SB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 18 18:17:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1D637B63E; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:17:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA91678; Thu, 18 May 2000 19:17:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA98120; Thu, 18 May 2000 19:16:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200005190116.TAA98120@harmony.village.org> To: Sergey Babkin Subject: Re: request for review: bus_alloc_resource(9) Cc: Alexander Langer , doc@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 18 May 2000 21:04:30 EDT." <3924931E.A8471B0@bellatlantic.net> References: <3924931E.A8471B0@bellatlantic.net> <20000518223846.A16098@cichlids.cichlids.com> <200005182332.RAA97696@harmony.village.org> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 19:16:21 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <3924931E.A8471B0@bellatlantic.net> Sergey Babkin writes: : The code seems to guarantee that if the probe routine returns 0 : then the attach routine will be called right away. So if the probe : routine returns 0 they don't have to be freed. Actually, the : comments seem to say explicitly that the resources should be : freed only if the probe routine returns a negative value but not 0. : Or am I missing something ? The code doesn't write the guarantee. In general probe routines are supposed to be idempotent. You are supposed to be able to have them be called multiple times, at least in theory. The probe routine should not hold resources past the end of its execution, positive or negative. I'm not sure where you found the comments that say that the probe routine can hold resources after it is called. I couldn't find any. It is also legal for buses to probe all their devices before attaching any of them (the pci bus does this, iirc, so that generic drivers can handle some hardware and more specific drivers can handle other). There's nothing that states probe_and_attach is the only way to get things done. Finally, there's a comment in subr_bus: device_set_driver(child, best->driver); if (pri < 0) { /* * A bit bogus. Call the probe method again to make sure * that we have the right description. */ DEVICE_PROBE(child); } which indicates to me that the probe routines will be called multiple times if they return < 0 (pri is the priority they returned, 0 meaning it is mine and nobody else's). Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 18 18:41:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from tdl.com (pm5-90.tdl.com [206.180.234.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C9237BA51 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:41:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wdr@tdl.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tdl.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01200; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:42:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wdr@tdl.com) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:42:28 -0700 (PDT) From: William Richard X-Sender: wdr@wdr.my.domain To: Daniel Harris Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18632: Minor grammar nit: internet.html (fwd) In-Reply-To: <39245B80.77271F51@subdimension.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 18 May 2000, Daniel Harris wrote: > William Richard wrote: > > > Here we have individual developers rather than an impersonal "development > > team". Just a suggestion. > > I didn't write the original doc :-). I agree, actually. Agreeing with me is usually the first symptom of mental illness. :) Now the big question is, how do we get it committed? WR -- William Richard BSD Unix Consultant Tel/Fax: 925-480-2319 x1951 E-Mail: wdr@tdl.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 18 19: 0: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F8937B60C for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 19:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id TAA02389; Thu, 18 May 2000 19:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 19:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005190200.TAA02389@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Daniel Harris Subject: Re: docs/18632: Minor grammar nit: internet.html Reply-To: Daniel Harris Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18632; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Daniel Harris To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, dannyboy@subdimension.com Cc: Subject: Re: docs/18632: Minor grammar nit: internet.html Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:49:57 -0400 Suggestion from: William Richard "The FreeBSD developers are as concerned about security as they are about performance." I agree completely. -- Daniel Harris dannyboy@subdimension.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 18 20:40: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A184B37B588 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 20:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id UAA11976; Thu, 18 May 2000 20:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from bulls.mei.co.jp (bulls.mei.co.jp [202.224.189.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F39F37BBC2 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 20:30:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from takamune@mariners.mei.co.jp) Received: by bulls.mei.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id MAA20268 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 12:30:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by mariners.mei.co.jp (8.9.1/3.7W) with ESMTP id MAA15401 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 12:30:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by dream.vrl.mei.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-11/29/99) id MAA07404; Fri, 19 May 2000 12:30:50 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200005190330.MAA07404@dream.vrl.mei.co.jp> Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:30:50 +0900 (JST) From: takamune@avrl.mei.co.jp Reply-To: takamune@avrl.mei.co.jp To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18669: Typo in handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18669 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Typo in handbook >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu May 18 20:40:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Kazu TAKAMUNE >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd. >Environment: $FreeBSD: doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/ports/chapter.sgml,v 1.98 2000/05/17 18:29:37 nik Exp $ >Description: Handbook has a typo. See below. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Index: en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/ports/chapter.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/ports/chapter.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.98 diff -u -r1.98 chapter.sgml --- en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/ports/chapter.sgml 2000/05/17 18:29:37 1.98 +++ en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/ports/chapter.sgml 2000/05/19 00:00:00 @@ -3755,7 +3755,7 @@ post-install: .if !defined(NOPORTDOCS) - ${MKDIR}${PREFIX}/share/doc/xv + ${MKDIR} ${PREFIX}/share/doc/xv ${INSTALL_MAN} ${WRKSRC}/docs/xvdocs.ps ${PREFIX}/share/doc/xv .endif >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 18 23:12:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from turbo.nsk.su (turbo.nsk.su [212.20.30.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D7A37BC1B for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 23:12:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from osadchy@turbo.nsk.su) Received: from DENIS ([212.20.30.169]) by turbo.nsk.su (8.8.8/T.1) with ESMTP id NAA18190 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 13:11:53 +0700 (NOVST) X-Authentication-Warning: turbo.nsk.su: Host [212.20.30.169] claimed to be DENIS Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 13:15:22 +0600 From: =?koi8-r?B?5MXOydMg79PBxN7Jyg==?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.36) S/N F29DEE5D / Educational Reply-To: =?koi8-r?B?5MXOydMg79PBxN7Jyg==?= Organization: =?koi8-r?B?IvLJzsXUIg==?= X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <15552.000519@turbo.nsk.su> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: subscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 19 0:12:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7CB37BD8E; Fri, 19 May 2000 00:12:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.com (p3E9C112F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.156.17.47]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23030; Fri, 19 May 2000 09:12:24 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320C2AC2C; Fri, 19 May 2000 09:12:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from alex@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02859; Fri, 19 May 2000 09:12:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:12:30 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: request for review: bus_alloc_resource(9) Message-ID: <20000519091230.C2729@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <20000518223846.A16098@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from winter@jurai.net on Thu, May 18, 2000 at 05:42:43PM -0400 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Matthew N. Dodd (winter@jurai.net): > is just a range; start and length, and a type. The 'rid' has nothing to > do with offsets into a memory/port resource. Hmm. When I wrote Doug Rabson about newbus months ago, he gave me that part of code: rid = 0x10; /* offset of pci mapping register - check your docs */ res = bus_alloc_resource(dev, SYS_RES_IOPORTS, &rid, 0, ~0, 1, RF_ACTIVE); st = rman_get_bustag(res); sh = rman_get_bushandle(res); This "offset of the pci mapping register" is quite confusing for me then. Alex -- I need a new ~/.sig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 19 0:14:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D9D37BD8E; Fri, 19 May 2000 00:14:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.com (p3E9C112F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.156.17.47]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23424; Fri, 19 May 2000 09:14:06 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0CFEAC2C; Fri, 19 May 2000 09:14:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from alex@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03005; Fri, 19 May 2000 09:14:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:14:09 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Cc: doc@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: request for review: bus_alloc_resource(9) Message-ID: <20000519091409.D2729@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <20000518223846.A16098@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from winter@jurai.net on Thu, May 18, 2000 at 05:42:43PM -0400 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Matthew N. Dodd (winter@jurai.net): > Think of an 'rid' as in index into an array of like resources. A resource > is just a range; start and length, and a type. The 'rid' has nothing to > do with offsets into a memory/port resource. Ah, yes. That is probably why resource_list_alloc(rl, dev, child, type, rid, ... is called for the pci-version of bus_alloc_resource :-) (sys/pci/pci.c) Alex -- I need a new ~/.sig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 19 0:16:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (adsl-63-206-88-224.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.206.88.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09CB337BCFE; Fri, 19 May 2000 00:16:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07106; Fri, 19 May 2000 00:17:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200005190717.AAA07106@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Alexander Langer Cc: "Matthew N. Dodd" , doc@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: request for review: bus_alloc_resource(9) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 19 May 2000 09:12:30 +0200." <20000519091230.C2729@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 00:17:13 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Thus spake Matthew N. Dodd (winter@jurai.net): > > > is just a range; start and length, and a type. The 'rid' has nothing to > > do with offsets into a memory/port resource. > > Hmm. When I wrote Doug Rabson about newbus months ago, he gave me that > part of code: > > rid = 0x10; /* offset of pci mapping register - check your docs */ > res = bus_alloc_resource(dev, SYS_RES_IOPORTS, &rid, 0, ~0, 1, > RF_ACTIVE); > st = rman_get_bustag(res); > sh = rman_get_bushandle(res); > > This "offset of the pci mapping register" is quite confusing for me > then. Not at all; in the PCI context, that's what the rid is. As has been said several times now, the meaning of the rid is _bus_specific_. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 19 0:20:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D736137BD8E; Fri, 19 May 2000 00:20:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.com (p3E9C112F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.156.17.47]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24872; Fri, 19 May 2000 09:20:39 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2296AC2C; Fri, 19 May 2000 09:21:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from alex@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03412; Fri, 19 May 2000 09:20:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:20:47 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: Mike Smith Cc: "Matthew N. Dodd" , doc@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: request for review: bus_alloc_resource(9) Message-ID: <20000519092047.E2729@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <20000519091230.C2729@cichlids.cichlids.com> <200005190717.AAA07106@mass.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200005190717.AAA07106@mass.cdrom.com>; from msmith@FreeBSD.ORG on Fri, May 19, 2000 at 12:17:13AM -0700 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Mike Smith (msmith@FreeBSD.ORG): > Not at all; in the PCI context, that's what the rid is. As has been said > several times now, the meaning of the rid is _bus_specific_. Ah, I wrote that before reading the next mails, stupid me. Well, thanks for all your comments. I'll add/merge the information you gave me in the evening. Thanks! Alex -- I need a new ~/.sig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 19 1:38:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06ABA37BE2E for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 01:38:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26846; Fri, 19 May 2000 01:09:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 01:09:28 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Bob Johnson Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bad link in Handbook Message-ID: <20000519010927.A23677@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <39246469.B1CD036D@eng.ufl.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <39246469.B1CD036D@eng.ufl.edu>; from bob@eng.ufl.edu on Thu, May 18, 2000 at 05:45:13PM -0400 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 05:45:13PM -0400, Bob Johnson wrote: > Got this error message in WWW copy of handbook today. It says it all > (well, it doesn't tell you that the info I want was moved to the Porter's > Handbook, which I can't find. Oh, balls. The install was the one thing I couldn't test on this end before committing, and there's a typo ("$" should have been "S"). I've fixed it, and installed a copy of the Porter's Handbook on the web site now. Thanks. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 19 2: 0:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5528237BA85 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 02:00:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id CAA60906; Fri, 19 May 2000 02:00:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from bulls.mei.co.jp (bulls.mei.co.jp [202.224.189.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2E637BA27 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 01:54:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from takamune@mariners.mei.co.jp) Received: by bulls.mei.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id RAA07451 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 17:54:35 +0900 (JST) Received: by mariners.mei.co.jp (8.9.1/3.7W) with ESMTP id RAA06722 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 17:54:35 +0900 (JST) Received: by dream.vrl.mei.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-11/29/99) id RAA11390; Fri, 19 May 2000 17:54:34 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200005190854.RAA11390@dream.vrl.mei.co.jp> Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:54:34 +0900 (JST) From: takamune@avrl.mei.co.jp Reply-To: takamune@avrl.mei.co.jp To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18674: ntptime.htm and ntptime.8 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18674 >Category: docs >Synopsis: ntptime.htm and ntptime.8 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri May 19 02:00:02 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Kazu TAKAMUNE >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd. >Environment: .\" $FreeBSD: src/usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntptime.8,v 1.1 2000/01/12 14:41:00 sheldonh Exp $ >Description: (1) `man 8 ntptime' shows: -s status -t time_constant Specify time constant, an integer in the range 0-4. The description on `-s' option is missing. (2) Then, the `src/contrib/ntp/html/ntptime.htm' which is an original HTML document of this manual page is very starange as compared with the usage of `ntptime' command. o `-h' option shows usage. o `-l' option doesn't supported. o `-m' option specify max errors. o Range of `time_constant' is 0-10. I've sent another patch (appended to this pr) to the author, and it has already fixed in NTP CVS Repository: So I hope that we will apply this patch to `ntptime.htm' and `ntptime.8'. Thanks. >How-To-Repeat: man 8 ntptime >Fix: Index: src/contrib/ntp/html/ntptime.htm =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/contrib/ntp/html/ntptime.htm,v retrieving revision 1.1.1.1 diff -u -r1.1.1.1 ntptime.htm --- src/contrib/ntp/html/ntptime.htm 1999/12/09 13:01:21 1.1.1.1 +++ src/contrib/ntp/html/ntptime.htm 2000/05/10 12:35:59 @@ -49,19 +49,13 @@ -h
-Display times in Unix timeval format. Default is NTP format.
- -
--l
- -
-Specify the leap bits as a code from 0 to 3.
+Display help information.
-m max_error
-Display help information.
+Specify max possible errors, in microseconds.
-o offset
@@ -85,7 +79,7 @@ -t time_constant
-Specify time constant, an integer in the range 0-4.
+Specify time constant, an integer in the range 0-10.
Index: src/usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntptime.8 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntptime.8,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 ntptime.8 --- src/usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntptime.8 2000/01/12 14:41:00 1.1 +++ src/usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntptime.8 2000/05/11 01:30:04 @@ -48,19 +48,17 @@ .It Fl f Ar frequency Specify frequency offset, in parts per million. .It Fl h -Display times in Unix timeval format. -Default is NTP format. -.It Fl l -Specify the leap bits as a code from 0 to 3. -.It Fl m Ar max_error Display help information. +.It Fl m Ar max_error +Specify max possible errors, in microseconds. .It Fl o Ar offset Specify clock offset, in microseconds. .It Fl r Display Unix and NTP times in raw format. .It Fl s Ar status +Specify clock status. Better know what you are doing. .It Fl t Ar time_constant -Specify time constant, an integer in the range 0-4. +Specify time constant, an integer in the range 0-10. .El .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr ntp_adjtime 2 , >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 19 3:20: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost2.attcanada.net (mailhost2.attcanada.net [206.191.82.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C0037BE2E for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 03:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from coolwheels@usa.net) Received: from toybox ([142.194.38.152]) by mailhost2.attcanada.net (InterMail v03.02.07.03 118-128) with SMTP id <20000519101850.CIL24835@toybox> for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 10:18:50 +0000 Message-ID: <000801bfc17b$ba03e9a0$0100a8c0@toybox> From: "cadence" To: Subject: Regarding downloaded ISO Image Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 03:19:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFC141.0BB52880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFC141.0BB52880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there... I downloaded your FreeBSD 3.4 ISO image on my 56k over the = last couple days, and I've finally gotten it... but throughout the = transfer, it got disconnected several times and then resumed... I wanted = to check the validity of the file on my Windows machine that I = downloaded it to, before I burn the ISO image to a CD... however, I = don't see any links from your download page for any Windows software = that can check an MD5 Checksum file... "checksum.md5" in this case... = that was on the ftp with the ISO images.. I would like to test it, and = then burn it as soon as I've tested it as being good, and not a broken = ISO ... thanks again, and I hope to hear from you guys soon, and I hope = to be trying FreeBSD soon. = Tyler. PS - You may want to add a link on your download page, and in the ftp = directory, with info on how to check the ISO using some MD5 Checksum = software... for both Linux/Unix variants, AND for Windows... Thanks = again. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFC141.0BB52880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there... I downloaded your FreeBSD = 3.4 ISO image=20 on my 56k over the last couple days, and I've finally gotten it... but=20 throughout the transfer, it got disconnected several times and then = resumed... I=20 wanted to check the validity of the file on my Windows machine that I = downloaded=20 it to, before I burn the ISO image to a CD... however, I don't see any = links=20 from your download page for any Windows software that can check an MD5 = Checksum=20 file... "checksum.md5" in this case... that was on the ftp with the ISO = images..=20 I would like to test it, and then burn it as soon as I've tested it as = being=20 good, and not a broken ISO ... thanks again, and I hope to hear from you = guys=20 soon, and I hope to be trying FreeBSD soon.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFC141.0BB52880-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 19 4:50:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2220337B65D; Fri, 19 May 2000 04:50:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22216; Fri, 19 May 2000 12:27:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:27:09 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Including images in the documentation Message-ID: <20000519122709.A95433@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000509143555.A1692@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000509143555.A1692@kilt.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Tue, May 09, 2000 at 02:35:57PM +0000 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ I lost a message from someone in this thread who was re-asking about the i18n in dia, and issues with SVG. If I don't answer them here, please resend ] On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 02:35:57PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > My preference is to store images in EPS and PNG formats in the repository, > but *not* both at the same time. If it's a vector image (like a network > diagram, for example) then it gets stored in EPS. If it's a bitmap then > we can use PNG. Discussion seems to have proved me wrong on this :-) My thanks for the pointers to SVG, which I've been reading up about. Interested parties can find more information about SVG at http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Overview.htm8 (the '8' on the end is not a typo). Executive summary is the SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics) is an XML DTD for defining scalable vector graphic images. I definitely think that SVG in the repository would be preferable to EPS, and I'm still of the opinion that PNG is the better format for bitmap images. This begs two questions. First, how do we create SVG images, and second, how do we convert these images to EPS and other formats? I had high hopes for Dia, I really did. Sadly, someone's earlier assertion that Dia uses SVG as its native format is false. Dia does save files in an XML DTD, but it's not SVG -- it's private to Dia. Dia can however export files as SVG. What it can't then do is re-import them for editing. Technically, a transformation to map documents from the Dia DTD to SVG and back again is possible, but I don't see any implementations out there. So, back to the drawing board (ho ho, sometimes I crack myself up :-) ) Enter "Sketch" (ports/graphics/sketch). This is Corel Draw-alike, written in Python + Tk (!), that can read and write SVG files, and because it's mostly Python, it's a doddle to extend it (should you be Python hacker, I'm not). In particular, it already comes bundled with an sk2ps Python script which can convert SVG documents to PS/EPS sk2ps lion.svg lion.ps is sufficient. It's slimmer than Dia as well. Back of the envelope calculations show it needing about 6MB of distfiles (which doesn't include the lumpen behemoth that is X and TCL/Tk). In the translation side of things, the interface appears to be readily translateable -- the web site mentions French and Spanish translations already. However (and this might be a show stopper for us), currently it doesn't support foreign language text *in the diagrams* very well. It uses Latin1 internally, and has no support for multi-byte characters yet. However, that's on the ToDo list. Thoughts? N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 19 9:59:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cbl-skelly3.hs.earthlink.net (CBL-skelly3.hs.earthlink.net [209.178.114.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BCC537B743; Fri, 19 May 2000 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kelly@ad1440.net) Received: from uta003594 (uta003594.jpl.nasa.gov [128.149.211.36]) by cbl-skelly3.hs.earthlink.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA24106; Fri, 19 May 2000 09:59:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kelly@ad1440.net) Message-ID: <005b01bfc1b4$119429e0$24d39580@jpl.nasa.gov> From: "Sean Kelly" To: "Nik Clayton" Cc: References: <20000509143555.A1692@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000519122709.A95433@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Subject: Re: Including images in the documentation Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:02:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > So, back to the drawing board (ho ho, sometimes I crack myself up :-) ) Groan. > Enter "Sketch" (ports/graphics/sketch). Not bad. Not bad at all! (I really should take a closer look at the ports collection now and then.) > It's slimmer than Dia as well. Back of the envelope calculations show it > needing about 6MB of distfiles ... And it's always possible to edit your figures using the tools that people already have installed or come with the base FreeBSD system ... like everyone's favorite One True Text Editor. :-) --Sean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 19 10:43:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FFD537B6A2 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 10:43:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA55536; Fri, 19 May 2000 19:43:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 19:43:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200005191743.TAA55536@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Regarding downloaded ISO Image X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-doc In-Reply-To: <8g34k1$dgb$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> Organization: Administration TU Clausthal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.4-19991219-STABLE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In list.freebsd-doc cadence wrote: > Hi there... I downloaded your FreeBSD 3.4 ISO image on my 56k over the > last couple days, and I've finally gotten it... but throughout the > transfer, it got disconnected several times and then resumed... I wanted > to check the validity of the file on my Windows machine that I > downloaded it to, before I burn the ISO image to a CD... however, I > don't see any links from your download page for any Windows software > that can check an MD5 Checksum file... "checksum.md5" in this case... There's a small and simple MD5 tool for DOS that I wrote 6 years ago. It should work in a DOS box under Windows, too. It's freeware. ftp://ftp7.de.freebsd.org/pub/msdos/utils/security/mkmd5_10.zip Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 19 10:59:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF6F37BDFE; Fri, 19 May 2000 10:59:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jim@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA98564; Fri, 19 May 2000 10:59:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:59:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005191759.KAA98564@freefall.freebsd.org> To: takamune@avrl.mei.co.jp, jim@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18669 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Typo in handbook State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jim State-Changed-When: Fri May 19 10:59:14 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 19 11:10:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D9F37B9EE for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 11:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA99795; Fri, 19 May 2000 11:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from byzantine.student.umd.edu (byzantine.student.umd.edu [129.2.244.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB5237BFD6 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 11:03:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@byzantine.student.umd.edu) Received: (from howardjp@localhost) by byzantine.student.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA61255; Fri, 19 May 2000 14:03:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from howardjp) Message-Id: <200005191803.OAA61255@byzantine.student.umd.edu> Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:03:16 -0400 (EDT) From: howardjp@wam.umd.edu Reply-To: howardjp@wam.umd.edu To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18679: Subject-Verb agreement in http://docs.FreeBSD.org/44doc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18679 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Subject-Verb agreement in http://docs.FreeBSD.org/44doc/ >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri May 19 11:10:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: James Howard >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: University of Maryland >Environment: N/A >Description: There is a minor subject-verb agreement issue on http://docs.FreeBSD.org/44doc/. I cannot find the source for this page in the tree, so I have submitted a patch to the HTML. It is in the Fix section. >How-To-Repeat: N/A >Fix: --- index.html.orig Fri May 19 13:57:32 2000 +++ index.html Fri May 19 13:59:13 2000 @@ -26,7 +26,7 @@ unroff, a Scheme-based, programmable, extensible troff translator with a back-end for the Hypertext Markup Language. -The -me documents does not looks good formatted. +The -me documents do not look good formatted.

The sources are available from the FreeBSD FTP Server >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 19 12: 2:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C9A37C107; Fri, 19 May 2000 12:02:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jim@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id MAA07314; Fri, 19 May 2000 12:02:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:02:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005191902.MAA07314@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org, jim@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18636 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [PATCH] Fix typo in ports section of the handbook State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jim State-Changed-When: Fri May 19 12:01:50 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 19 13:13:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from battleship.genevaonline.com (battleship.genevaonline.com [156.46.205.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510D537BCBC for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 13:13:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thiel@genevaonline.com) Received: from vishnu (ppp98.genevaonline.com [156.46.205.98]) by battleship.genevaonline.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA99730 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 15:13:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from thiel@genevaonline.com) Message-Id: <200005192013.PAA99730@battleship.genevaonline.com> X-Sender: thiel@mail.genevaonline.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:13:16 -0500 To: doc@FreeBSD.org From: Loren Thiel Subject: Something wrong Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In the handbook under chapter 10.3 Disk Naming, Table 10-1, the line that reads: IDE CDROM drives | acd in 3.1-RELEASE, wcd before 4.0-RELEASE. something is wrong...cuz if it was wcd before 4.0, then it means it would be wcd in 3.1, not acd. Its acd for 4.0 now right? 3.1-RELEASE should read 4.0-RELEASE I think. Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 19 15:20: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C38E37B672 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 15:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id PAA35804; Fri, 19 May 2000 15:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id E037437B9AF; Fri, 19 May 2000 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20000519221720.E037437B9AF@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT) From: alex@wnm.net To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/18683: Insufficient detail in /usr/src/UPDATING instructions Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18683 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Insufficient detail in /usr/src/UPDATING instructions >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri May 19 15:20:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Alex Charalabidis >Release: 4.0-RELEASE >Organization: WebNet Memphis >Environment: 4.0-RELEASE 4.0-STABLE >Description: The section on updating from 3.x to 4.0 in /usr/src/UPDATING is missing an instruction to mount the filesystems after booting in single user mode. While far from critical, less experienced users, including those who may never have had reason to boot in single-user mode, can and will be confused. >How-To-Repeat: Follow the instructions in lines 63 and 64 of the file literally. Watch it fail to find /usr/src. >Fix: --- UPDATING Fri May 19 17:08:44 2000 +++ UPDATING.patched Fri May 19 17:09:59 2000 @@ -61,6 +61,7 @@ [*] reboot + cd /usr/src make -DNOINFO installworld make installworld >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 19 15:42:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDDB37B635; Fri, 19 May 2000 15:42:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.com (p3E9C1138.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.156.17.56]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08300; Sat, 20 May 2000 00:42:36 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06CCEAC2C; Sat, 20 May 2000 00:43:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from alex@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04562; Sat, 20 May 2000 00:42:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 00:42:45 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: request for review: bus_alloc_resource(9) Message-ID: <20000520004245.A4202@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <20000518223846.A16098@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000518223846.A16098@cichlids.cichlids.com>; from alex@big.endian.de on Thu, May 18, 2000 at 10:38:46PM +0200 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Second, reworked version now available. http://big.endian.de/FreeBSD/bus_alloc_resource.9 In my eyes, it's quite correct now and is worth a PR/commit. I'll send a PR if I get your ok. Alex -- I need a new ~/.sig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 19 16: 7:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CEFD37B52B; Fri, 19 May 2000 16:07:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.com (p3E9C1138.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.156.17.56]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12724; Sat, 20 May 2000 01:06:51 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5C6AC2C; Sat, 20 May 2000 01:07:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from alex@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05113; Sat, 20 May 2000 01:07:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 01:07:01 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: new bus_release_resource(9) Message-ID: <20000520010701.B5052@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! I just finnished bus_release_resource.9. The technical part should be correct, since I could not do things wrong. Maybe you want to review it anyways. http://big.endian.de/FreeBSD/bus_release_resource.9 Alex -- I need a new ~/.sig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 19 16: 7:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net (smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net [209.3.218.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599D237C0A5; Fri, 19 May 2000 16:07:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from babkin@bellatlantic.net) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-117-21.bellatlantic.net [151.198.117.21]) by smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA20685; Fri, 19 May 2000 19:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3925C91E.9CD7D9EE@bellatlantic.net> Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 19:07:10 -0400 From: Sergey Babkin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-19990626-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warner Losh Cc: Alexander Langer , doc@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: request for review: bus_alloc_resource(9) References: <3924931E.A8471B0@bellatlantic.net> <20000518223846.A16098@cichlids.cichlids.com> <200005182332.RAA97696@harmony.village.org> <200005190116.TAA98120@harmony.village.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Warner Losh wrote: > > In message <3924931E.A8471B0@bellatlantic.net> Sergey Babkin writes: > : The code seems to guarantee that if the probe routine returns 0 > : then the attach routine will be called right away. So if the probe > : routine returns 0 they don't have to be freed. Actually, the > : comments seem to say explicitly that the resources should be > : freed only if the probe routine returns a negative value but not 0. > : Or am I missing something ? > > The code doesn't write the guarantee. In general probe routines are > supposed to be idempotent. You are supposed to be able to have them > be called multiple times, at least in theory. The probe routine > should not hold resources past the end of its execution, positive or > negative. > > I'm not sure where you found the comments that say that the probe > routine can hold resources after it is called. I couldn't find any. Sorry that I did not quote it in the first e-mail. In kern/device_if.m: # # Probe to see if the device is present. Return 0 if the device exists, # ENXIO if it cannot be found. If some other error happens during the # probe (such as a memory allocation failure), an appropriate error code # should be returned. For cases where more than one driver matches a # device, a priority value can be returned. In this case, success codes # are values less than or equal to zero with the highest value representing # the best match. Failure codes are represented by positive values and # the regular unix error codes should be used for the purpose. # If a driver returns a success code which is less than zero, it must # not assume that it will be the same driver which is attached to the # device. In particular, it must not assume that any values stored in # the softc structure will be available for its attach method and any # resources allocated during probe must be released and re-allocated # if the attach method is called. If a success code of zero is # returned, the driver can assume that it will be the one attached. # # Devices which implement busses should use this method to probe for # the existence of devices attached to the bus and add them as # children. If this is combined with the use of bus_generic_attach, # the child devices will be automatically probed and attached. # METHOD int probe { device_t dev; }; > It is also legal for buses to probe all their devices before attaching > any of them (the pci bus does this, iirc, so that generic drivers can > handle some hardware and more specific drivers can handle other). > There's nothing that states probe_and_attach is the only way to get > things done. That comment does not guarantee that attach will be called right away but I suppose it guarantees that if probe() returns 0 it may expect that attach() will eventually be called and keep the resources and contents of its structs softc between probe() and attach(). > Finally, there's a comment in subr_bus: > device_set_driver(child, best->driver); > if (pri < 0) { > /* > * A bit bogus. Call the probe method again to make sure > * that we have the right description. > */ > DEVICE_PROBE(child); > } > > which indicates to me that the probe routines will be called multiple > times if they return < 0 (pri is the priority they returned, 0 meaning > it is mine and nobody else's). Yes, that's what I said in the first quoted paraghaph: if probe returns <0 (priority arbitration between multiple drivers in a class) or >0 (error) then it must free the resources before exit and don't assume that the contents of struct softc will be presevred between probe and attach. But if probe returns 0 it may keep the resources. Also some resources have problems with freeing them: for example, if a piece of memory was allocated using bus_dmamem_alloc() with lowaddr of BUS_SPACE_MAXADDR_24BIT then bus_dmamem_free() won't really free it but just throw it away (I suppose contigfree() did not exist when it was written). So it's better to keep these resources between probe and attach if probe returns 0. -SB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 19 18:57:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hamal.freemail.ne.jp (hamal.freemail.ne.jp [210.235.164.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3197137B8FA for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 18:57:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from 2dmaster@2d.artist.ne.jp) Received: (qmail 16803 invoked by alias); 20 May 2000 06:50:43 +0900 Received: (qmail 11643 invoked from network); 20 May 2000 04:17:44 +0900 Received: from p0a20cc.tokyjk16.ap.so-net.ne.jp (HELO 304) (211.10.32.204) by hamal.freemail.ne.jp with SMTP; 20 May 2000 04:17:44 +0900 Message-ID: <024d01bfc1c6$e98731a0$cc00a8c0@mangaokoku.co.jp> From: "=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCQHA2ZjNaSXQbKEI=?=" <2dmaster@2d.artist.ne.jp> To: Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCPXdNJTFnPXUlNSE8JS8layEmJTIlOSVIMnEbKEI=?= Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 04:07:11 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 6$B7n(B18$BF|!JF|!K(B12$B;~!A(B18$B;~!&G.3$(B $B!!%H%C%W%9%?!\:Y4uK>!W!"K\J8$KG/Np$r5-$7(B 2dmaster@info66.com $B$^$G!#(Bi$B%b!<%IEy$G;z?t@)8B$N$"$k?M$O$=$N;]$b!#Aj8_HkL)@dBP87; Fri, 19 May 2000 19:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id TAA61531; Fri, 19 May 2000 19:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 19:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005200230.TAA61531@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Eric Ogren Subject: Re: docs/18683: Insufficient detail in /usr/src/UPDATING instructions Reply-To: Eric Ogren Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18683; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Eric Ogren To: alex@wnm.net Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/18683: Insufficient detail in /usr/src/UPDATING instructions Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 22:30:21 -0400 Personally, I do not think that this change should be made. If a user does not know enough about FreeBSD to know how to mount their partitions from single-user mode, ***they should not be upgrading via source***. I have said this many times, and I will re-iterate it again: if users are not experienced, they should *only* use binary snapshots to upgrade. I am of course not a committer, but I felt like I should log my objections anyway. :) Eric On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 03:17:20PM -0700, alex@wnm.net wrote: > > >Description: > The section on updating from 3.x to 4.0 in /usr/src/UPDATING is missing > an instruction to mount the filesystems after booting in single user mode. > While far from critical, less experienced users, including those who may > never have had reason to boot in single-user mode, can and will be > confused. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 20 0:12: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D539437B517; Sat, 20 May 2000 00:11:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@billy-club.village.org) Received: from billy-club.village.org (billy-club.village.org [10.0.0.3]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA96475; Sat, 20 May 2000 01:11:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@billy-club.village.org) Received: from billy-club.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by billy-club.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA44934; Sat, 20 May 2000 01:11:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200005200711.BAA44934@billy-club.village.org> To: Sergey Babkin Subject: Re: request for review: bus_alloc_resource(9) Cc: Alexander Langer , doc@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 19 May 2000 19:07:10 EDT." <3925C91E.9CD7D9EE@bellatlantic.net> References: <3925C91E.9CD7D9EE@bellatlantic.net> <3924931E.A8471B0@bellatlantic.net> <20000518223846.A16098@cichlids.cichlids.com> <200005182332.RAA97696@harmony.village.org> <200005190116.TAA98120@harmony.village.org> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 01:11:00 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <3925C91E.9CD7D9EE@bellatlantic.net> Sergey Babkin writes: : Warner Losh wrote: : > : > In message <3924931E.A8471B0@bellatlantic.net> Sergey Babkin writes: : > : The code seems to guarantee that if the probe routine returns 0 : > : then the attach routine will be called right away. So if the probe : > : routine returns 0 they don't have to be freed. Actually, the : > : comments seem to say explicitly that the resources should be : > : freed only if the probe routine returns a negative value but not 0. : > : Or am I missing something ? : > : > The code doesn't write the guarantee. In general probe routines are : > supposed to be idempotent. You are supposed to be able to have them : > be called multiple times, at least in theory. The probe routine : > should not hold resources past the end of its execution, positive or : > negative. : > : > I'm not sure where you found the comments that say that the probe : > routine can hold resources after it is called. I couldn't find any. : : Sorry that I did not quote it in the first e-mail. In kern/device_if.m: A pointer would have been sufficient :-) : # Probe to see if the device is present. Return 0 if the device exists, : # ENXIO if it cannot be found. If some other error happens during the : # probe (such as a memory allocation failure), an appropriate error code : # should be returned. For cases where more than one driver matches a : # device, a priority value can be returned. In this case, success codes : # are values less than or equal to zero with the highest value representing : # the best match. Failure codes are represented by positive values and : # the regular unix error codes should be used for the purpose. : : # If a driver returns a success code which is less than zero, it must : # not assume that it will be the same driver which is attached to the : # device. In particular, it must not assume that any values stored in : # the softc structure will be available for its attach method and any : # resources allocated during probe must be released and re-allocated : # if the attach method is called. If a success code of zero is : # returned, the driver can assume that it will be the one attached. Notice it doesn't say that one can hold RESOURCES past the end of probe. Only that values set in the softc (which one should try to avoid) aren't guaranteed to be there if the return value is < 0. It can only assume that it will be the driver that is attached. This comment is poorly worded anyway and should be changed to explicitly state that one shouldn't hold resources at the end of the probe routine. : That comment does not guarantee that attach will be called right : away but I suppose it guarantees that if probe() returns 0 it : may expect that attach() will eventually be called and keep the : resources and contents of its structs softc between probe() and : attach(). Yes and no. It has long been stated that one cannot hold resources past the end of a probe. It is attaches job to allocate them permanantly, code and docs notwithstanding. I recall this coming up from time to time on the newbus list a long time ago, but haven't checked the archives. Going back in time to prenewbus, this certainly was the case. And it is the case in other Unixes that I've worked on in the past. : Yes, that's what I said in the first quoted paraghaph: if probe : returns <0 (priority arbitration between multiple drivers in a class) : or >0 (error) then it must free the resources before exit and don't : assume that the contents of struct softc will be presevred between : probe and attach. But if probe returns 0 it may keep the resources. I'm still not sure that I agree. Unless I hear from the new-bus meister, I won't feel obligated to necessarily keep this condition in the NEWCARD code. I don't think I'll need to violate it, but I will if I have to because of how things are allocated in most device drivers right now. : Also some resources have problems with freeing them: for example, : if a piece of memory was allocated using bus_dmamem_alloc() with : lowaddr of BUS_SPACE_MAXADDR_24BIT then bus_dmamem_free() won't : really free it but just throw it away (I suppose contigfree() did not : exist when it was written). So it's better to keep these resources : between probe and attach if probe returns 0. No. Absolutely not. One should allocate them once only in the attach code. The probe code almost never needs to do a DMA to probe the device. Probes are supposed to be non-destructive (eg read only on the registers) if at all possible. One shouldn't try to allocate it there anyway for the same reason you say we should. If you are using it to see if the device exists, and it doesn't, then you can't free it. Sounds like a bad way to probe the hardware. The probe routine is supposed to do the absolute minimum to the hardware to see if it is really there. It shouldn't be bringing in all kinds of extra resources that it doesn't need to determine if the device is there or not. Probe's role in self-identiftying buses is simple. Check the identifying characteristics against a table and return the string associated with that characteristic. On the ISA bus (the only non-self identifying bus we have), it is sadly necessary to touch the hardware to see if it readlly exists. Some hardware is easy to non-destructively probe. Most of the early pc hardware is impossible to non-destructively probe. The changes to the state of the device for an ISA bus probe shouldn't be relied on in the attach routine (sio violates this, for example). It makes it harder to adapt to self identifying buses in the future (I had to call the isa probe to set the hardware to a known state in the pci probe code which should have just checked the config ID tags and returned). Likewise with pccard. I guess that's another reason I tend to be vehiment in keeping the wall of separation between the two. I've been burned by drivers in the past that didn't and it was a royal PITA to sort that all out. 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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BFC29D.13CE3B80-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 20 6:31:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net (smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net [209.3.218.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8EF37B67E; Sat, 20 May 2000 06:31:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from babkin@bellatlantic.net) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-117-218.bellatlantic.net [151.198.117.218]) by smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA10766; Sat, 20 May 2000 09:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <392693B6.1FB6C64C@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 09:31:34 -0400 From: Sergey Babkin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-19990626-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warner Losh Cc: Alexander Langer , doc@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: request for review: bus_alloc_resource(9) References: <3925C91E.9CD7D9EE@bellatlantic.net> <3924931E.A8471B0@bellatlantic.net> <20000518223846.A16098@cichlids.cichlids.com> <200005182332.RAA97696@harmony.village.org> <200005190116.TAA98120@harmony.village.org> <200005200711.BAA44934@billy-club.village.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Warner Losh wrote: > > In message <3925C91E.9CD7D9EE@bellatlantic.net> Sergey Babkin writes: > : # If a driver returns a success code which is less than zero, it must > : # not assume that it will be the same driver which is attached to the > : # device. In particular, it must not assume that any values stored in > : # the softc structure will be available for its attach method and any > : # resources allocated during probe must be released and re-allocated ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > : # if the attach method is called. If a success code of zero is > : # returned, the driver can assume that it will be the one attached. > > Notice it doesn't say that one can hold RESOURCES past the end of > probe. Only that values set in the softc (which one should try to It says, about the case of negative return value. So I guess that implies that in case if 0 is returned keeping resources is permitted. > avoid) aren't guaranteed to be there if the return value is < 0. It > can only assume that it will be the driver that is attached. This > comment is poorly worded anyway and should be changed to explicitly > state that one shouldn't hold resources at the end of the probe > routine. I suppose that "driver can assume that it will be the one attached" means that the probe routine will not be called again for this device, thet the resources won't change and that the attach routine will be called eventually. Provided with all this keeping the resources seems to be safe. But of course that's only my interpretation. > : That comment does not guarantee that attach will be called right > : away but I suppose it guarantees that if probe() returns 0 it > : may expect that attach() will eventually be called and keep the > : resources and contents of its structs softc between probe() and > : attach(). > > Yes and no. It has long been stated that one cannot hold resources > past the end of a probe. It is attaches job to allocate them > permanantly, code and docs notwithstanding. I recall this coming up > from time to time on the newbus list a long time ago, but haven't > checked the archives. > > Going back in time to prenewbus, this certainly was the case. And it > is the case in other Unixes that I've worked on in the past. As far as I remember in prenewbus there were no "official resources". Yes, I agree that keeping anything allocated when returning from probe is a bad idea. > : Yes, that's what I said in the first quoted paraghaph: if probe > : returns <0 (priority arbitration between multiple drivers in a class) > : or >0 (error) then it must free the resources before exit and don't > : assume that the contents of struct softc will be presevred between > : probe and attach. But if probe returns 0 it may keep the resources. > > I'm still not sure that I agree. Unless I hear from the new-bus > meister, I won't feel obligated to necessarily keep this condition in > the NEWCARD code. I don't think I'll need to violate it, but I will > if I have to because of how things are allocated in most device > drivers right now. It's not like I'm saying that it MUST keep the resources from probe but I suppose it's allowed to if it really wants. > : Also some resources have problems with freeing them: for example, > : if a piece of memory was allocated using bus_dmamem_alloc() with > : lowaddr of BUS_SPACE_MAXADDR_24BIT then bus_dmamem_free() won't > : really free it but just throw it away (I suppose contigfree() did not > : exist when it was written). So it's better to keep these resources > : between probe and attach if probe returns 0. > > No. Absolutely not. One should allocate them once only in the attach > code. The probe code almost never needs to do a DMA to probe the > device. Probes are supposed to be non-destructive (eg read only on > the registers) if at all possible. One shouldn't try to allocate it > there anyway for the same reason you say we should. If you are using > it to see if the device exists, and it doesn't, then you can't free > it. Sounds like a bad way to probe the hardware. The probe routine What about the case when device exists but is broken/misconfigured ? Suppose, someone got the port address right but the DMA channel wrong. Well, of course, this more intrusive part of probe may as well be moved to the attach routine. -SB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 20 7:25:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.va.home.com (ha1.rdc1.va.home.com [24.2.32.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D7F37B5A5 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 07:25:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from john.baldwin.cx ([24.6.244.187]) by mail.rdc1.va.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000520142528.KWQH22611.mail.rdc1.va.home.com@john.baldwin.cx>; Sat, 20 May 2000 07:25:28 -0700 Content-Length: 1184 X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200005200230.TAA61531@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 10:26:16 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Eric Ogren Subject: Re: docs/18683: Insufficient detail in /usr/src/UPDATING instruc Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20000520142528.KWQH22611.mail.rdc1.va.home.com@john.baldwin.cx> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 20-May-00 Eric Ogren wrote: > The following reply was made to PR docs/18683; it has been noted by GNATS. > > From: Eric Ogren > To: alex@wnm.net > Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: docs/18683: Insufficient detail in /usr/src/UPDATING instructions > Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 22:30:21 -0400 > > Personally, I do not think that this change should be made. If a user > does not know enough about FreeBSD to know how to mount their partitions > from single-user mode, ***they should not be upgrading via source***. > I have said this many times, and I will re-iterate it again: if users are > not experienced, they should *only* use binary snapshots to upgrade. People have to start somewhere, and if we are going to grow our userbase, we will have to appeal to more newbies. There's more to making a widely used OS than writing code. :-) > I am of course not a committer, but I felt like I should log my > objections anyway. :) > > Eric -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 20 7:26: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ravel.n2.net (ravel.n2.net [207.113.132.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9248137B6B4 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 07:26:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgibbons@nike.relcast.com) Received: from nike.relcast.com (nike.relcast.com [207.113.133.19]) by ravel.n2.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA23389; Sat, 20 May 2000 07:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgibbons@localhost) by nike.relcast.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA43514; Sat, 20 May 2000 07:29:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgibbons) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 07:29:16 -0700 From: Jeff Gibbons To: Haq Romel-Y17483 Cc: "'freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: Licensing Issues Message-ID: <20000520072915.A43451@nike.relcast.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: ; from Haq Romel-Y17483 on Tue, May 16, 2000 at 10:53:39AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There is an article about this from February 2000, and some discussion at http://www.linux.com/news/articles.phtml?aid=7125 This is pointed to by the "Freebsd announcements" webpage: http://www.freebsd.org/news/newsflash.html Jeff On Tue, May 16, 2000 at 10:53:39AM -0400, Haq Romel-Y17483 wrote: > Hello, > > I'm just wondering if there are any licensing issues related with the > commercial use of FreeBSD. If so, I would appreciate it if someone could > provide me with a link where I might be able to read up about such issues. > Thank you, > > Romel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 20 8:10: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCA137B72A for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 08:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA45296; Sat, 20 May 2000 08:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 08:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005201510.IAA45296@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Alexander Langer Subject: Re: docs/18653: add DRIVER_MODULE(9) Reply-To: Alexander Langer Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18653; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Alexander Langer To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Subject: Re: docs/18653: add DRIVER_MODULE(9) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:00:23 +0200 Thus spake Alexander Langer (alex@cichlids.com): > Add DRIVER_MODULE(9), I think that is useful, since we have > DRIVER_(PROBE,ATTACH,DETACH)(9), too. ^^^^^^ "DEVICE" that is, and so it breaks my arguments :-), but it is nice anyways .-) Alex -- I need a new ~/.sig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 20 8:22:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.prescient.co.za (mail.prescient.co.za [196.25.167.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442F537B61B for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 08:22:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rip@pinetec.co.za) Received: from rip by mail.prescient.co.za with local (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12tB51-00087r-00 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:22:19 +0200 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:22:19 +0200 From: "R.I.Pienaar" To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: jadetex Message-ID: <20000520172219.K6329@pinetec.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, I am trying to get the docproj meta port installed with jadetex, i am not having fun: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE (DEV) #1: Wed May 17 19:05:09 SAST 2000 here is snippets from the output: LaTeX Warning: You have requested, on input line 47, version `2000/03/01' of package hyperref, but only version `2000/01/22 v6.69c Hypertext links for LaTeX' is available. WARNING: Elsevier font setup not found (dummyels.sty) WARNING: mmasym package not loaded. some symbols will fail ) (ucharacters.sty) (uentities.sty ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [hash size=10000]. l.701 \expandafter\def\csname EntHopf\endcsname {\ensuremath{\mathbb{H}}}% UE... can anyone give me some hints on what I am doing wrong? I have: # pkg_info |grep teT teTeX-1.0.7 Thomas Esser's distribution of TeX & friends thanks. -- R.I. Pienaar rip@pinetec.co.za "Let us gather hallucinations from our private minds Let us witness the reincarnation of the Sun" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 20 8:40:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3661C37B5C0 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 08:40:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id RAA21529; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:40:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 12tBMD-00044V-00 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:40:05 +0200 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:40:05 +0200 From: Szilveszter Adam To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: jadetex Message-ID: <20000520174005.A13789@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: doc@freebsd.org References: <20000520172219.K6329@pinetec.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000520172219.K6329@pinetec.co.za>; from rip@pinetec.co.za on Sat, May 20, 2000 at 05:22:19PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 05:22:19PM +0200, R.I.Pienaar wrote: > I am trying to get the docproj meta port installed with jadetex, i am not > having fun: I tried it on -CURRENT recently (last week) and it worked for me, see below. > FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE (DEV) #1: Wed May 17 19:05:09 SAST 2000 > > here is snippets from the output: > > LaTeX Warning: You have requested, on input line 47, version > `2000/03/01' of package hyperref, > but only version > `2000/01/22 v6.69c Hypertext links for LaTeX' > is available. I do not know if this warning has passed on my screen... I do not remember it. Did it cause the installation process to stop, or did it just scroll by? > > > WARNING: Elsevier font setup not found > (dummyels.sty) > WARNING: mmasym package not loaded. some symbols will fail > ) (ucharacters.sty) (uentities.sty > ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [hash size=10000]. > l.701 \expandafter\def\csname EntHopf\endcsname > {\ensuremath{\mathbb{H}}}% > UE... However, I certainly do remember this. This has broken the installation for me. You have to go and edit the file: /usr/local/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf and apply the changes proposed by the file: /usr/ports/print/jadetex/pkg/MESSAGE (or at least that solved it for me) which, ironically gets printed after jadetex is installed:-) but earlier these mods were not required at install time... the error is that TeX has run out of space allocated for the hash table by default, you have to increase it in the TeX config file. (heck, I managed once to write such a long sentence that even the mods for typesetting the Handbook were not enough for it to get through:-) Hope this helps at least in part... Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szeged University Szeged Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 20 8:44: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net (emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB5037B5C8; Sat, 20 May 2000 08:43:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eogren@earthlink.net) Received: from rod.darktech.org (ip224.cambridge2.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.32.112.224]) by emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25819; Sat, 20 May 2000 08:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from eogren@localhost) by rod.darktech.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e4KFjBi00796; Sat, 20 May 2000 11:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 11:45:11 -0400 From: Eric Ogren To: John Baldwin Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/18683: Insufficient detail in /usr/src/UPDATING instruc Message-ID: <20000520114510.A775@earthlink.net> References: <200005200230.TAA61531@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000520142528.KWQH22611.mail.rdc1.va.home.com@john.baldwin.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000520142528.KWQH22611.mail.rdc1.va.home.com@john.baldwin.cx>; from jhb@FreeBSD.ORG on Sat, May 20, 2000 at 10:26:16AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 10:26:16AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > People have to start somewhere, and if we are going to grow our userbase, > we will have to appeal to more newbies. There's more to making a widely > used OS than writing code. :-) Well, I'm not one of the "make the OS as obscure as possible, so nobody but experienced users can use it", but I also think that we should discourage newbies from performing an activity that could potentially completely screw up their installation. I certainly think that we should appeal to more newbies, and indeed that's why I have sent in a couple of PRs to the doc-team, because, like pretty much any open source project, the docs tend to lag behind the code. I just think we should try to avoid throwing newbies in over their head; you wouldn't ask an average NT user to set up a 5,000 user domain (I can't think of anything analagous(sp) to upgrading via source), and I don't think we should be encouraging a FreeBSD user who doesn't know how to mount his drives to undertake a potentially dangerous upgrade. Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 20 9: 1:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ppp03.nid.ru (ppp03.nid.ru [195.161.142.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 187CD37B6B4 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 09:01:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eliza_bett@mail.ru) From: To: , , Date: Âò, 16 ìàé 2000 21:22:26 +0400 Message-ID: <17021435056811067@ppp03.nid.ru> Subject: hi! it's for you. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! We are Russian girls - Elvira, Sveta, Nadya and Natasha. We would like to correspond with you. Visit our site and see our photos. http//www.russian-girls.narod.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 20 9:10:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.prescient.co.za (mail.prescient.co.za [196.25.167.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962A237B741 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 09:10:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rip@pinetec.co.za) Received: from rip by mail.prescient.co.za with local (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12tBpj-0008Dp-00; Sat, 20 May 2000 18:10:35 +0200 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 18:10:35 +0200 From: "R.I.Pienaar" To: Szilveszter Adam Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: jadetex Message-ID: <20000520181035.L6329@pinetec.co.za> References: <20000520172219.K6329@pinetec.co.za> <20000520174005.A13789@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <20000520174005.A13789@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > LaTeX Warning: You have requested, on input line 47, version > > `2000/03/01' of package hyperref, > > but only version > > `2000/01/22 v6.69c Hypertext links for LaTeX' > > is available. > > I do not know if this warning has passed on my screen... I do not remember > it. Did it cause the installation process to stop, or did it just scroll by? this was just a arb error, thought it was related :) > /usr/ports/print/jadetex/pkg/MESSAGE (or at least that solved it for me) > which, ironically gets printed after jadetex is installed:-) but earlier > these mods were not required at install time... the error is that TeX has > run out of space allocated for the hash table by default, you have to > increase it in the TeX config file. excellent! this solved my problem thank you very much :) -- R.I. Pienaar rip@pinetec.co.za "Let us gather hallucinations from our private minds Let us witness the reincarnation of the Sun" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 20 9:41: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cbl-skelly3.hs.earthlink.net (CBL-skelly3.hs.earthlink.net [209.178.114.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B5937B79C; Sat, 20 May 2000 09:40:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kelly@ad1440.net) Received: from cumin (cumin.rosetta.zon [172.16.16.106]) by cbl-skelly3.hs.earthlink.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA27744; Sat, 20 May 2000 09:40:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kelly@ad1440.net) Message-ID: <008801bfc27a$3239a320$6a1010ac@rosetta.zon> From: "Sean Kelly" To: , Cc: References: <200005191839.EAA77751@itlab70.easstud.gu.edu.au> Subject: Re: print.jadetex port doesn't compile Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 09:41:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (Cc'd -doc since it's pertinent.) I haven't investigated the failed JadeTeX port build fully, but I'd wager that a new version of the tex or the teTeX port must have reduced sizes of various tables maintained internally by tex while it runs to build JadeTeX. These sizes have worked before for *building* of JadeTeX but needed to be modified for the *running* of JadeTeX. Users on FreeBSD-doc have reported that if you make the modifications suggested in /usr/ports/print/jadetex/pkg/MESSAGE *before* building the JadeTeX port, it will build (and run) correctly. I'd recommend that the post-install or patch steps of the tex and teTeX ports do this on the user's behalf, unless someone sees a reason otherwise. --Sean ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 11:39 AM Subject: print.jadetex port doesn't compile > > >Submitter-Id: current-users > >Originator: Andrew > >Organization: UgH! > >Confidential: no > >Synopsis: print.jadetex port doesn't compile > >Severity: serious > >Priority: medium > >Category: ports > >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386 > >Class: sw-bug > >Environment: > > STABLE as of a few days ago, ports as of a few hours ago > > >Description: > > The print/jadetex port fails to build. This is what I get: > > > > LaTeX Warning: You have requested, on input line 47, version > `2000/03/01' of package hyperref, > but only version > `2000/01/22 v6.69c Hypertext links for LaTeX' > is available. > > (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/inputenc.sty (dsssl.def)) (mlnames.sty) > (unicode.sty > WARNING: tipa package not loaded. some symbols will fail > > > > (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex/wasysym/wasysym.sty) > (/usr/local/share/texmf/tex/latex/misc/stmaryrd.sty) > WARNING: Elsevier font setup not found > (dummyels.sty) > WARNING: mmasym package not loaded. some symbols will fail > ) (ucharacters.sty) (uentities.sty > ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [hash size=10000]. > l.712 ...ndafter\def\csname EntHumpEqual\endcsname > {\ensuremath{\bumpeq }}% U... > > No pages of output. > Transcript written on jadetex.log. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/print/jadetex/work. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/print/jadetex. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/print/jadetex. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/print/jadetex. > > >How-To-Repeat: > > cd /usr/ports/print/jadetex && make > > >Fix: > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 20 13:36:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4EA037B6F2 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 13:36:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac4.wam.umd.edu (root@rac4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.144]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18680 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 16:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac4.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA11603 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 16:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac4.wam.umd.edu (howardjp@localhost) by rac4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11595 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 16:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005202036.QAA11595@rac4.wam.umd.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: rac4.wam.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Manual Set Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 16:36:38 -0400 From: James Howard Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I asked about this five months ago, but I would like to take a fresh start on this. The 4.4BSD manuals are completely unavailable (Amazon and Barnes and Nobel cannot locate them). This is not all bad since they are getting more out of date every day. So how about updating them? Simply updating the manual pages should not take a lot since the manpages themselves should have been updated with each source change (in theory, they should each be checked). Sure, the online stuff is great, but when I try to scribble notes on them, I just scratch my monitor. :) However, the supplementary documents are out of date (FreeBSD does not ship Berkeley Pascal; I am not sure how relevant the 4.4BSD kernel building is; Jove is no longer shipped; Rand MH is no longer shipped), encumbered (YACC, Lex, SED, AWK, etc.). Or worse (how much has vi changed? I do not know, I am not a big vi user; What about trex? Rogue? dc and bc are out of date and encumbered!). So there are three different route that can be taken on this front: (1) Drop the supplementary documents, (2) Update the supplementary documents to be current, or (3) Start again from scratch. While each has a number of advantages, a combination of 2 and 3 would be nice. Update the vi manual and the IPC documents. Write new documents on configuring FreeBSD as a router or a webserver, stuff on the Ports tree, etc, how to make a Port, update the kernel config docs. Anything anyelse thinks might be nice should go in here. In fact, DaemonNews and the FreeBSD Ezine can be bled for articles and new articles can be "Beta Tested" there. Well, having now suggested this project, I should probably volunteer. So I will volunteer to act as a writer, an editor, or as a project leader (which probably means lots of writing and editing) if asked. All I need to know are two things: (1) Is this worth it? A good idea? And (2) What do I do next? Thank you, J~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 20 14:10:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D66737B74B; Sat, 20 May 2000 14:10:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@billy-club.village.org) Received: from billy-club.village.org (billy-club.village.org [10.0.0.3]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00293; Sat, 20 May 2000 15:10:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@billy-club.village.org) Received: from billy-club.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by billy-club.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA54082; Sat, 20 May 2000 15:09:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200005202109.PAA54082@billy-club.village.org> To: Sergey Babkin Subject: Re: request for review: bus_alloc_resource(9) Cc: Alexander Langer , doc@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 20 May 2000 09:31:34 EDT." <392693B6.1FB6C64C@bellatlantic.net> References: <392693B6.1FB6C64C@bellatlantic.net> <3925C91E.9CD7D9EE@bellatlantic.net> <3924931E.A8471B0@bellatlantic.net> <20000518223846.A16098@cichlids.cichlids.com> <200005182332.RAA97696@harmony.village.org> <200005190116.TAA98120@harmony.village.org> <200005200711.BAA44934@billy-club.village.org> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 15:09:35 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <392693B6.1FB6C64C@bellatlantic.net> Sergey Babkin writes: : Warner Losh wrote: : > : > In message <3925C91E.9CD7D9EE@bellatlantic.net> Sergey Babkin writes: : : > : # If a driver returns a success code which is less than zero, it must : > : # not assume that it will be the same driver which is attached to the : > : # device. In particular, it must not assume that any values stored in : > : # the softc structure will be available for its attach method and any : > : # resources allocated during probe must be released and re-allocated : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : > : # if the attach method is called. If a success code of zero is : > : # returned, the driver can assume that it will be the one attached. : > : > Notice it doesn't say that one can hold RESOURCES past the end of : > probe. Only that values set in the softc (which one should try to : : It says, about the case of negative return value. So I guess that : implies that in case if 0 is returned keeping resources is permitted. I guess I'm on the other side of the fence. It doesn't specifically allow it, so it must be forbidden. I've seen too much hardware docs that say one thing for condition A and one might assume that for A' that wouldn't be the case, but in fact the same condition applies for A' as well. : > avoid) aren't guaranteed to be there if the return value is < 0. It : > can only assume that it will be the driver that is attached. This : > comment is poorly worded anyway and should be changed to explicitly : > state that one shouldn't hold resources at the end of the probe : > routine. : : I suppose that "driver can assume that it will be the one attached" : means that the probe routine will not be called again for this : device, thet the resources won't change and that the attach routine : will be called eventually. Provided with all this keeping the resources : seems to be safe. But of course that's only my interpretation. Yes. I don't think it is safe, and I don't that we should document it as safe. : As far as I remember in prenewbus there were no "official resources". : Yes, I agree that keeping anything allocated when returning : from probe is a bad idea. In prenewbus, one couldn't malloc memory in probe that one didn't return right away. : > : Yes, that's what I said in the first quoted paraghaph: if probe : > : returns <0 (priority arbitration between multiple drivers in a class) : > : or >0 (error) then it must free the resources before exit and don't : > : assume that the contents of struct softc will be presevred between : > : probe and attach. But if probe returns 0 it may keep the resources. : > : > I'm still not sure that I agree. Unless I hear from the new-bus : > meister, I won't feel obligated to necessarily keep this condition in : > the NEWCARD code. I don't think I'll need to violate it, but I will : > if I have to because of how things are allocated in most device : > drivers right now. : : It's not like I'm saying that it MUST keep the resources from probe but : I suppose it's allowed to if it really wants. There might be some cases where it makes sense to do it, but those cases are going to be few and far between, imho. : > : Also some resources have problems with freeing them: for example, : > : if a piece of memory was allocated using bus_dmamem_alloc() with : > : lowaddr of BUS_SPACE_MAXADDR_24BIT then bus_dmamem_free() won't : > : really free it but just throw it away (I suppose contigfree() did not : > : exist when it was written). So it's better to keep these resources : > : between probe and attach if probe returns 0. : > : > No. Absolutely not. One should allocate them once only in the attach : > code. The probe code almost never needs to do a DMA to probe the : > device. Probes are supposed to be non-destructive (eg read only on : > the registers) if at all possible. One shouldn't try to allocate it : > there anyway for the same reason you say we should. If you are using : > it to see if the device exists, and it doesn't, then you can't free : > it. Sounds like a bad way to probe the hardware. The probe routine : : As far as I remember in prenewbus there were no "official resources". : Yes, I agree that keeping anything allocated when returning : from probe is a bad idea. In prenewbus, one couldn't malloc memory in probe that one didn't return right away. : > : Yes, that's what I said in the first quoted paraghaph: if probe : > : returns <0 (priority arbitration between multiple drivers in a class) : > : or >0 (error) then it must free the resources before exit and don't : > : assume that the contents of struct softc will be presevred between : > : probe and attach. But if probe returns 0 it may keep the resources. : > : > I'm still not sure that I agree. Unless I hear from the new-bus : > meister, I won't feel obligated to necessarily keep this condition in : > the NEWCARD code. I don't think I'll need to violate it, but I will : > if I have to because of how things are allocated in most device : > drivers right now. : : It's not like I'm saying that it MUST keep the resources from probe but : I suppose it's allowed to if it really wants. There might be some cases where it makes sense to do it, but those cases are going to be few and far between, imho. : What about the case when device exists but is broken/misconfigured ? : Suppose, someone got the port address right but the DMA channel wrong. : Well, of course, this more intrusive part of probe may as well be moved to : the attach routine. Two cases here. Either you read the DMA channel from the card and ignore what the user has said (which the aha driver does). Or you can't read it from the card, in which case you lose if the user lies to the driver. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 20 14:27:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from napier.ams.sunysb.edu (napier.ams.sunysb.edu [129.49.6.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D07937B631 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 14:27:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from xuzhi@ams.sunysb.edu) Received: from localhost by napier.ams.sunysb.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02986; Sat, 20 May 00 17:27:17 EDT Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:27:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Zhiliang Xu X-Sender: xuzhi@napier To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: device surpport In-Reply-To: <10005202037.AB02941@napier.ams.sunysb.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear All, I want to install the FreeBSD on my PC, Before i get started, i would like to know whether FreeBSD4.0 surpports UDMA66, cause the motherboard i currently use has hpt366 controller on it and my hard disk is connected to it. The model of the motherboard i use is Abit-BE6-2. And if possible, i would like to have multiple system exist on my disk. Currently, i use win2000. Can this cause any trouble? Thanks a lot. Sincerely, Zhiliang .oooO Oooo. ( ) ( ) \ ( ) / \_) (_/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 20 14:50: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB7A637B75D for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 14:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA85184; Sat, 20 May 2000 14:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id AB19E37B749; Sat, 20 May 2000 14:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20000520214343.AB19E37B749@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 14:43:43 -0700 (PDT) From: hjh@photino.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/18694: change of email address in Handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18694 >Category: docs >Synopsis: change of email address in Handbook >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat May 20 14:50:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: J Han >Release: >Organization: >Environment: >Description: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/contrib-additional.html please change hjh@best.com to hjh@photino.com thanks, j >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 20 16:17:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from value.net (value.net [209.182.128.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3E437B6C2 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 16:17:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary@thisoldcomputer.net) Received: from thisoldcomputer.net (adsl-209-182-168-148.value.net [209.182.168.148]) by value.net (8.9.3/8.7.4) with ESMTP id QAA72909 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 16:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39271C9B.1721E08C@thisoldcomputer.net> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 16:15:39 -0700 From: Gary Zupo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: broken link on website Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear FreeBSDers, On this page: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/current-stable.html#CURRENT I've found an invalid link using netscape 4.72 and IE 5.01. The link is: ftp://releng3.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ Gary Zupo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 20 16:28:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (brisba6.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.66.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8282537B7E2; Sat, 20 May 2000 16:28:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA10998; Sun, 21 May 2000 09:28:00 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "ROADRUNNER" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdP10996; Sun May 21 09:27:54 2000 Message-ID: <02eb01bfc2b3$7c72b510$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> From: "Doug Young" To: "Eric Ogren" , "John Baldwin" Cc: References: <200005200230.TAA61531@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000520142528.KWQH22611.mail.rdc1.va.home.com@john.baldwin.cx> <20000520114510.A775@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: docs/18683: Insufficient detail in /usr/src/UPDATING instruc Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 09:31:09 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm a relative newbie to unix generally .... been lurking in -docs for a while to see what the "official" attitude is to documentation. I've found that while there is less documentation on FreeBSD than there is on for example Redhat, what documentation there is appears to be somewhat more intelligible. However its virtually all prepared by experts in their field (and thats OK if other experienced unix users are on the receiving end) consequently many minor but critical points are omitted. My suggestion is to do away totally with the traditional ethos of employing experts to write the stuff ..... find someone who is struggling with the subject to do documentation to head the documentation production team .... the idea being that if a newbie can comprehend the stuff than it's sufficiently verbose for anyone.\ I'm making an attempt here to churn out some newbie-friendly stuff, long way to go yet but the compliments I've been receiving from newbies over the week since I put the presenly available material online indicate that something like it has been needed for a long time. www.apana.org.au/FreeBSD/FreeBSD_Tutorial/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Ogren" To: "John Baldwin" Cc: Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 1:45 AM Subject: Re: docs/18683: Insufficient detail in /usr/src/UPDATING instruc > On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 10:26:16AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > > People have to start somewhere, and if we are going to grow our userbase, > > we will have to appeal to more newbies. There's more to making a widely > > used OS than writing code. :-) > > Well, I'm not one of the "make the OS as obscure as possible, so nobody > but experienced users can use it", but I also think that we should > discourage newbies from performing an activity that could potentially > completely screw up their installation. > I certainly think that we should appeal to more newbies, and indeed > that's why I have sent in a couple of PRs to the doc-team, because, like > pretty much any open source project, the docs tend to lag behind the > code. I just think we should try to avoid throwing newbies in over their > head; you wouldn't ask an average NT user to set up a 5,000 user domain (I > can't think of anything analagous(sp) to upgrading via source), and I > don't think we should be encouraging a FreeBSD user who doesn't know how > to mount his drives to undertake a potentially dangerous upgrade. > > Eric > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 20 16:49:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A4E37B70E for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 16:49:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA97294; Sat, 20 May 2000 16:51:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: James Howard Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Manual Set In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 20 May 2000 16:36:38 EDT." <200005202036.QAA11595@rac4.wam.umd.edu> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 16:51:20 -0700 Message-ID: <97291.958866680@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The 4.4BSD manuals are completely unavailable (Amazon and Barnes and Nobel > cannot locate them). This is not all bad since they are getting more out > of date every day. Actually, just for those who'd like them out of nostalgia if nothing else, the USENIX organization (www.usenix.org) has a bunch of them for sale still. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 20 16:57:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from po3.wam.umd.edu (po3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F354637B737 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 16:57:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac2.wam.umd.edu (root@rac2.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.142]) by po3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14567; Sat, 20 May 2000 19:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac2.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac2.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA29366; Sat, 20 May 2000 19:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac2.wam.umd.edu (howardjp@localhost) by rac2.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29361; Sat, 20 May 2000 19:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005202357.TAA29361@rac2.wam.umd.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: rac2.wam.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Manual Set In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 20 May 2000 16:51:20 PDT." <97291.958866680@localhost> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 19:57:15 -0400 From: James Howard Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <97291.958866680@localhost>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > Actually, just for those who'd like them out of nostalgia if nothing > else, the USENIX organization (www.usenix.org) has a bunch of them for > sale still. :) Hey, not bad. With my first paycheck at my new job*, I'll have to order the missing volumes. * I sold out. I will be working as a Linux admin. I am so ashamed. Is there a freebsd-repentence mailing list I need to email? Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 20 17:10:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from fellspt.charm.net (fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E7F37B79B for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:10:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dutch@charm.net) Received: from charm.net (coretel-185-185.charm.net [162.33.185.185]) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08147; Sat, 20 May 2000 20:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39271B30.3426C7F8@charm.net> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 00:09:36 +0100 From: Dutch Collins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: James Howard , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Manual Set References: <97291.958866680@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > The 4.4BSD manuals are completely unavailable (Amazon and Barnes and Nobel > > cannot locate them). This is not all bad since they are getting more out > > of date every day. > > Actually, just for those who'd like them out of nostalgia if nothing > else, the USENIX organization (www.usenix.org) has a bunch of them for > sale still. :) > > - Jordan Yes, and if any dust has the nerve to settle on my set it is *history*. Last, since you didn't include a link to the NEW and improved handbook I will; http://daily.daemonnews.org/view_story.php3?story_id=928 and my favorite; http://www.cdrom.com/titles/freebsd/bsdhandbk.phtml Got to go the Preakness party monsters are here. Huh U say, the horse race. -d ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message