From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 21 0:13:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241BF37B5E4; Sun, 21 May 2000 00:13:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id AAA34067; Sun, 21 May 2000 00:13:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 00:13:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005210713.AAA34067@freefall.freebsd.org> To: asmodai@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, asmodai@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/18654 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: add DEVICE_IDENTIFY.9 Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->asmodai Responsible-Changed-By: asmodai Responsible-Changed-When: Sun May 21 00:12:45 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll take a look at this. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 21 0:13:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C7DA37B5E4; Sun, 21 May 2000 00:13:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id AAA34154; Sun, 21 May 2000 00:13:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 00:13:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005210713.AAA34154@freefall.freebsd.org> To: asmodai@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, asmodai@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/18653 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: add DRIVER_MODULE(9) Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->asmodai Responsible-Changed-By: asmodai Responsible-Changed-When: Sun May 21 00:13:28 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll take a look at this. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 21 0:35:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E688137B5E4; Sun, 21 May 2000 00:35:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from hoek@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id AAA35835; Sun, 21 May 2000 00:35:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 00:35:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005210735.AAA35835@freefall.freebsd.org> To: hoek@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, nik@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/13442 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: docproj-primer does not mention where to get docbook extensions Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->nik Responsible-Changed-By: hoek Responsible-Changed-When: Sun May 21 00:32:52 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: Over to MAINTAINER. Re: "Thoughts" How about you put a copy of your email into the fdp. Apropriately marked-up, of course. This bugreport didn't sound like a "please move the files" request, but rather a "put this information into the fdp" suggestion. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 21 3:14:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E6D337B6C0 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 03:14:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.com (p3E9C1152.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.156.17.82]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10586; Sun, 21 May 2000 12:13:59 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E8FAC2C; Sun, 21 May 2000 12:14:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from alex@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04256; Sun, 21 May 2000 12:14:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 12:14:09 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: James Howard Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Manual Set Message-ID: <20000521121409.F3710@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <97291.958866680@localhost> <200005202357.TAA29361@rac2.wam.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200005202357.TAA29361@rac2.wam.umd.edu>; from howardjp@wam.umd.edu on Sat, May 20, 2000 at 07:57:15PM -0400 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake James Howard (howardjp@wam.umd.edu): > * I sold out. I will be working as a Linux admin. I am so ashamed. Is > there a freebsd-repentence mailing list I need to email? freebsd-ashamed-linux-admins@freebsd.org you mean? Alex -- I need a new ~/.sig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 21 5:30: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38CFF37B68C for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 05:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id FAA67096; Sun, 21 May 2000 05:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BBAE837B5BE for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 05:25:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 21 May 2000 13:25:11 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200005211325.aa00961@walton.maths.tcd.ie> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 13:25:11 +0100 (BST) From: dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie Reply-To: dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Cc: bug-ncurses@gnu.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18709: getch ncurses man page confuses noecho and echo. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18709 >Category: docs >Synopsis: getch ncurses man page confuses noecho and echo. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun May 21 05:30:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: David Malone >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: School of Mathematics >Environment: FreeBSD 5.X and FreeBSD 4.X - I think 3.X uses a different version of curses. Seems to be present in original ncurses import, and consequently Redhat etc.. >Description: The getch man page says: If noecho has been set, then the character will also be echoed into the designated window according to the follow- ing rules: If the character is the current erase charac- ter, left arrow, or backspace, the cursor is moved one space to the left and that screen position is erased as if delch had been called. If the character value is any other KEY_ define, the user is alerted with a beep call. Otherwise the character is simply output to the screen. I think this should begin: If echo has been set, ... Actually, the behavior doesn't even match what is in the man page then, but atleast is is closer. (This is regardless of if you call keypag(stdscr, TURE) or not). >How-To-Repeat: Try the following program with (needs -lncurses to compile). #include int main(int argc,char **argv) { initscr(); cbreak(); clear(); noecho(); move(0,0); printw("Testing with noecho."); move(1,0); while( getch() != '\n' ); clear(); echo(); move(0,0); printw("Testing with echo."); move(1,0); while( getch() != '\n' ); return(0); } >Fix: --- /usr/src/contrib/ncurses/man/curs_getch.3x Tue Aug 24 02:06:39 1999 +++ curs_getch.3x Sun May 21 13:09:15 2000 @@ -57,7 +57,7 @@ mode). In half-delay mode, the program waits until a character is typed or the specified timeout has been reached. -If \fBnoecho\fR has been set, then the character will also be echoed into the +If \fBecho\fR has been set, then the character will also be echoed into the designated window according to the following rules: If the character is the current erase character, left arrow, or backspace, the cursor is moved one space to the left and that screen position is erased >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 21 6:47:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from fellspt.charm.net (fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A390637B5CC for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 06:47:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dutch@charm.net) Received: from charm.net (coretel-185-191.charm.net [162.33.185.191]) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27370; Sun, 21 May 2000 09:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3927DAAD.527BD054@charm.net> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 13:46:37 +0100 From: Dutch Collins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Langer Cc: James Howard , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Manual Set References: <97291.958866680@localhost> <200005202357.TAA29361@rac2.wam.umd.edu> <20000521121409.F3710@cichlids.cichlids.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alexander Langer wrote: > > Thus spake James Howard (howardjp@wam.umd.edu): > > > * I sold out. I will be working as a Linux admin. I am so ashamed. Is > > there a freebsd-repentence mailing list I need to email? > > freebsd-ashamed-linux-admins@freebsd.org you mean? > > Alex > > -- What I think [1]. I thought it was freebsd-confessional@freebsd.org although that may not be correct. BAD.org, that is, B)sd'rs A)gainst D)ementia , did have a program. However, that was disbanded when it was confused with; The British Association of Dermatologists (pardon me please). You may get help from Uaint.com, U)nix A)dmin i)s't N) T) , who have a policy of insulting the NT Admin Demagogue by saying, "Linux is unix and therefore there is no reason to hide behind the 'skirt' of BSD and other UNIX in fear." [2][3] [1] Personal observations that are not supported by anyone. And, are not an endorsement of anything or any organization. I believe in humor as therapy. [2] Google search on BAD.org and Uaint.com are proof enough. Qtg language term 'uaint' has other meanings that are quite different. [3] Style note. who or whom. Can't quite get it right. Back to real work now. -d "while having a 1st cup of coffee" ---- sig-for-today: Michael Schumacher (Ferrari) rulez, even in the rain and fog. ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 21 14:46: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A016A37B54B for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 14:45:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [62.7.10.95] (helo=parish.my.domain) by carbon with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12tXyy-0000p7-00 for doc@freebsd.org; Sun, 21 May 2000 16:49:37 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00662 for doc@freebsd.org; Sun, 21 May 2000 16:49:32 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 16:49:32 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Question about mdoc formatting Message-ID: <20000521164932.A236@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How do you force a newline in mdoc? Example: .It Ev DEF_BUILD_DIR If set, is used as the path of the build directory instead of .Pa /usr/src/sys/compile . It can be overridden by the .Fl d Ar destdir option. Produces this (I've removed the overall indenting to prevent emacs and/or mutt wrapping the lines): DEF_BUILD_DIR If set, is used as the path of the build directory instead of /usr/src/sys/compile. It can be overridden by the -d destdir option. The line is split between ``-d'' and ``destdir'' which is, at least IMHO, bad as it splits what is really a single entity (BTW, is this illegal from a style point of view in FreeBSD manpages?). I want to force the line split *before* the ``-d'' to give: DEF_BUILD_DIR If set, is used as the path of the build directory instead of /usr/src/sys/compile. It can be overridden by the -d destdir option. OK, I can do it by adding the word ``using'' after ``by'' but that may not always be an option. -- ...and on the eighth day God created UNIX ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 21 17:34:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3AE37BFA3 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 17:34:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA69898; Mon, 22 May 2000 00:20:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 00:20:29 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: James Howard Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Manual Set Message-ID: <20000522002028.A69598@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <97291.958866680@localhost> <200005202357.TAA29361@rac2.wam.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200005202357.TAA29361@rac2.wam.umd.edu>; from howardjp@wam.umd.edu on Sat, May 20, 2000 at 07:57:15PM -0400 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 07:57:15PM -0400, James Howard wrote: > * I sold out. I will be working as a Linux admin. I am so ashamed. Is > there a freebsd-repentence mailing list I need to email? jobs@freebsd.org. See if someone will take you back :-) N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 21 17:35:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C593937BFD8; Sun, 21 May 2000 17:35:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA70471; Mon, 22 May 2000 00:25:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 00:25:06 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Doug Young Cc: Eric Ogren , John Baldwin , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/18683: Insufficient detail in /usr/src/UPDATING instruc Message-ID: <20000522002506.B69598@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200005200230.TAA61531@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000520142528.KWQH22611.mail.rdc1.va.home.com@john.baldwin.cx> <20000520114510.A775@earthlink.net> <02eb01bfc2b3$7c72b510$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <02eb01bfc2b3$7c72b510$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER>; from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au on Sun, May 21, 2000 at 09:31:09AM +1000 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, May 21, 2000 at 09:31:09AM +1000, Doug Young wrote: > I'm a relative newbie to unix generally .... been lurking in -docs for a > while to see what the "official" attitude is to documentation. Documentation is great. We love it, and we want more of it. > I'm making an attempt here to churn out some newbie-friendly stuff, long way > to go yet but the compliments I've been receiving from newbies over the week > since I put the presenly available material online indicate that something > like it has been needed for a long time. > www.apana.org.au/FreeBSD/FreeBSD_Tutorial/ Can you bundle those up and send them on to me for a closer look (I spend a lot of time on a train with a laptop, and a reliable 'net connection can be hard to come by). N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 21 17:50:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4233C37BA6A; Sun, 21 May 2000 17:50:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA81397; Mon, 22 May 2000 01:50:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 01:50:27 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Sean Kelly Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Including images in the documentation Message-ID: <20000522015026.C69598@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000509143555.A1692@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000519122709.A95433@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <005b01bfc1b4$119429e0$24d39580@jpl.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <005b01bfc1b4$119429e0$24d39580@jpl.nasa.gov>; from kelly@ad1440.net on Fri, May 19, 2000 at 10:02:49AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 10:02:49AM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote: > > Enter "Sketch" (ports/graphics/sketch). > > Not bad. Not bad at all! (I really should take a closer look at the ports > collection now and then.) > > > It's slimmer than Dia as well. Back of the envelope calculations show it > > needing about 6MB of distfiles ... > > And it's always possible to edit your figures using the tools that people > already have installed or come with the base FreeBSD system ... like > everyone's favorite One True Text Editor. :-) The big problem is that I don't want to mandate the installation of yet another big port in order to generate the docs. This would be needed for the HTML docs as well (since the way to get some of the images will undoubtedly be SVG -> PS -> PNG). That would be like forcing people to install XEmacs before they can edit the docs. I really want a standalong svg2ps utility (or similar). The closest I can find after an extensive web search is http://www.iue.tuwien.ac.at/diss/halama/diss/node96.html#svg which is someone's thesis. Sadly, I can't find an e-mail address there to contact the guy to ask if he'll release the source code. While Sketch does have the sk2ps program (which also does svg2ps) a cursory truss(1) shows that it cheerfully opens the X11 and Tk libs when it runs (even though it doesn't put up any windows), so I don't know how tricky it'll be to pull it out. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 21 19:21:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r19.mx.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B0B37B54B for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 19:21:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from CHIWISAVI4@aol.com) Received: from CHIWISAVI4@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id n.33.5693bc2 (3736) for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:20:59 -0400 (EDT) From: CHIWISAVI4@aol.com Message-ID: <33.5693bc2.2659f38a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 22:20:58 EDT Subject: Problems of Installation of freebsd software. To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 102 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sir/mam, I recently bought freebsd (unix operating systems) fromCreek CdROM,But I tried to install according to installation guide,But it failed.I tried to make boot floppy for Kern.flp,But I received message that It could not read files from the Cd rom. I think there is something wrong on cd rom or I confused the installation procedures. The installation guide, made me very confused. Currently I have Windows 98 operating systems, Is there any method to install freebase using windows 98, Please let me know. If there is something wrong on CD rom, CAN GET REFUND BY SENDING BACK CD ROM. PLEASE ADVISE ME AS SOON AS POSSIBLE> MY E_mail Address is chiwisavi4@aol.com Thank you, This is WELMILLAGE WIJESIRI. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 21 21:53: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (brisba6.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.66.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD0837BAEE for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 21:52:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03165; Mon, 22 May 2000 14:52:43 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "ROADRUNNER" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdEz3162; Mon May 22 14:52:40 2000 Message-ID: <018e01bfc3aa$09d65000$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> From: "Doug Young" To: , References: <33.5693bc2.2659f38a@aol.com> Subject: Re: Problems of Installation of freebsd software. Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:56:04 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've written a (hopefully) newbie-friendly HOWTO on basic installation & setup of a gateway box, and would appreciate any feedback, especially from raw newbies / Win9x converts. So far almost everything I've heard has been complimentary, even though the thing still needs a heap of work (mostly the jpg's are far too big so its a very slow site) Its presently at http://www.apana.org.au/FreeBSD/FreeBSD_Tutorial/ but if there's time free this week it will be linked to the main www.apana.org.au page / the huge jpg's cut back a bit / fuzzy pics replaced / a few typo's revised / etc and thats an underscore, NOT a space :) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 12:20 PM Subject: Problems of Installation of freebsd software. > Dear Sir/mam, > I recently bought freebsd (unix operating systems) fromCreek CdROM,But I > tried to install according to installation guide,But it failed.I tried to > make boot floppy for Kern.flp,But I received message that It could not read > files from the Cd rom. > I think there is something wrong on cd rom or I confused the installation > procedures. The installation guide, made me very confused. Currently I have > Windows 98 operating systems, Is there any method to install freebase using > windows 98, Please let me know. If there is something wrong on CD rom, CAN > GET REFUND BY SENDING BACK CD ROM. PLEASE ADVISE ME AS SOON AS POSSIBLE> > MY E_mail Address is chiwisavi4@aol.com > Thank you, > This is WELMILLAGE WIJESIRI. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 22 9:30:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-out.marconi-na.com (smtp-out.marconi-na.com [208.19.133.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED27D37BA5E for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 09:30:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lange@syncorp.com) Received: from baemail.marconi-na.com (baemail.marconi-na.com [10.63.2.20]) by smtp-out.marconi-na.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA06148 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-core.marconi-na.com ([10.63.2.17]) by baemail.marconi-na.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #44999) with ESMTP id <0FUY00F44Z5XNH@baemail.marconi-na.com> for doc@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.syncorp.com ([38.229.255.2]) by smtp-core.marconi-na.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12875 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2071dell ([38.229.255.66]) by www.syncorp.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA05765 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:37:11 -0400 From: Stephen Lange Subject: Problems To: doc@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <00cc01bfc40b$fd46c060$42ffe526@syncorp.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My CD drive is in the list of supported HW (Future Domain 8XX/950 series SCSI controllers) but is not recognized by the installation floppies. (It is quite OLD.) I installed the boot manager. How can I get rid of it? Installing from a DOS partition wouldn't work. The boot floppies want to see a /dist. They ignore the files in C:\FreeBSD. Should I put the ./bin directory into C:\dist, C:\dist\FreeBSD, or what? Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 22 9:39:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pan.ch.intel.com (pan.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E711A37B722; Mon, 22 May 2000 09:39:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by pan.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.28 2000/05/06 00:07:11 dmccart Exp $) with ESMTP id JAA16384; Mon, 22 May 2000 09:39:07 -0700 (MST) Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.10 2000/02/10 21:38:16 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id JAA13178; Mon, 22 May 2000 09:39:06 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id MAA21300; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:39:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14633.25257.258000.101469@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:39:05 -0700 (MST) To: Stephen Lange Cc: doc@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problems In-Reply-To: <00cc01bfc40b$fd46c060$42ffe526@syncorp.com> References: <00cc01bfc40b$fd46c060$42ffe526@syncorp.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.3.11 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ cc'ed this question to -questions ... it is not a doc topic/discussion ] [ On Monday, May 22, Stephen Lange wrote: ] > My CD drive is in the list of supported HW > (Future Domain 8XX/950 series SCSI controllers) > but is not recognized by the installation floppies. > (It is quite OLD.) > > I installed the boot manager. How can I > get rid of it? > > Installing from a DOS partition wouldn't work. > The boot floppies want to see a /dist. They ignore > the files in C:\FreeBSD. Should I put the ./bin > directory into C:\dist, C:\dist\FreeBSD, or what? > > Thanks. These questions would be better sent to questions@freebsd.org. This is -doc or the documentation list. I've cc'ed them there, but chances are you'll need to provide more information for people before they can help answer (you mention CD drive then give a scsi controller ... two different things--even though a scsi CD drive should be "seen" as long as the controller is supported). -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 22 11: 0:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631D637BB16 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:00:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA73728 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:00:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005221800.LAA73728@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated. f - feedback The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a patch or a fix has been committed. The PR remains in this state pending a response from the originator. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested. Critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2000/04/23] docs/18177 doc [Patch] print message was wrong about PC- 1 problem total. Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2000/02/08] docs/16585 doc no info documentation for nm (binutils) i o [2000/05/04] docs/18385 doc Handbook: Some ISDN cards not supported i 2 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [1999/02/25] docs/10240 doc We need a script which check if our web m o [1999/04/07] docs/10997 doc Problem with query-pr-summary.cgi o [1999/08/28] docs/13441 doc incorrect path in SGML_CATALOG_FILES env o [1999/09/17] docs/13792 doc Difficult to find documentation of "secur o [1999/09/19] docs/13815 doc Out-of-date FAQ entries o [1999/09/25] docs/13950 doc webpage idea o [1999/09/25] docs/13967 doc FreeBSD Related Publications in Korea f [1999/09/29] docs/14035 doc tzfile.h referenced in tzfile(5) doesn't o [1999/10/06] docs/14158 doc md5(1) manpage should not claim the md5 a o [1999/10/25] docs/14532 doc Much of cam_cdbparse(3) prints in Courier o [1999/10/27] docs/14563 doc Wrong manpage produced by `man 4 fd' o [1999/10/27] docs/14565 doc ioctl() codes for device type `fd' (flopp o [1999/11/03] docs/14682 doc lprm(1) unaware of lp(1) Environment Vari o [1999/12/10] docs/15408 doc Description of ls and nlist wrong in man o [1999/12/19] docs/15561 doc regex(3) manpage needs update o [2000/01/01] docs/15821 doc Wrong device names in manpages for lpt(4) o [2000/01/04] docs/15890 doc rfork(RFMEM) on SMP generates error o [2000/01/18] docs/16173 doc [PATCH] fix for the kld/cdev example o [2000/01/29] docs/16439 doc fdp-primer - difficulties with split SGML o [2000/02/23] docs/16934 doc anon transfer log doesn't log all xfers o [2000/03/13] docs/17364 doc Fix minor errors and omissions in FAQ o [2000/03/18] docs/17469 doc Missing man page: sigwait o [2000/03/18] docs/17470 doc Missing man page: pthread_yield o [2000/03/20] docs/17521 doc Proposed FAQ on assembly programming o [2000/03/25] docs/17598 doc installworld over NFS documentation no lo o [2000/04/03] docs/17780 doc if they ask for smbmount, they want shari o [2000/04/06] docs/17836 doc manpage for sigaction(2) is wrong o [2000/04/07] docs/17855 doc PPP Primer is out-of-date o [2000/04/26] docs/18233 doc man and nroff -mdoc produce extra blank l o [2000/04/26] docs/18243 doc wrong description of -p option in sh(1) m o [2000/04/29] docs/18290 doc obsolete reference in programming tools a o [2000/05/02] docs/18343 doc KGV FAQ URL broken o [2000/05/03] docs/18379 doc Information on SSH hard to find in Handbo o [2000/05/04] docs/18391 doc Minor fixes to 3 web pages at www.freebsd o [2000/05/08] docs/18451 doc extra reference in man page o [2000/05/09] docs/18477 doc [PATCH] Several updates to the FAQ are in o [2000/05/12] docs/18520 doc kbdcontrol manpage incomplete o [2000/05/16] docs/18588 doc typos in manpage: missing dot and access{ o [2000/05/16] docs/18590 doc a number of manpage fixes for VFS manpage o [2000/05/16] docs/18592 doc amd(8) man page missing a line from SYNOP o [2000/05/16] docs/18593 doc VOP_LOOKUP is not a 'VFS entry point' o [2000/05/17] docs/18627 doc add description for waitfor in VFS_SYNC(9 o [2000/05/17] docs/18628 doc same for VOP_FSYNC o [2000/05/17] docs/18630 doc minor applications.html fixes o [2000/05/17] docs/18632 doc Minor grammar nit: internet.html o [2000/05/19] docs/18674 doc ntptime.htm and ntptime.8 o [2000/05/19] docs/18679 doc Subject-Verb agreement in http://docs.Fre o [2000/05/19] docs/18683 doc Insufficient detail in /usr/src/UPDATING o [2000/05/20] docs/18694 doc change of email address in Handbook o [2000/05/21] docs/18709 doc getch ncurses man page confuses noecho an 50 problems total. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 22 11:17:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBDC37BBF4; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:17:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jim@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA76267; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:17:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:17:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005221817.LAA76267@freefall.freebsd.org> To: hjh@photino.com, jim@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18694 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: change of email address in Handbook State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jim State-Changed-When: Mon May 22 11:17:27 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 22 11:27:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E45437BAA4; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:27:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jim@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA77416; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:27:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:27:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005221827.LAA77416@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ben@scientia.demon.co.uk, jim@FreeBSD.org, jim@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/17880 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: ports section in handbook doesn't say ipv6 is virtual category State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jim State-Changed-When: Mon May 22 11:26:11 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! Responsible-Changed-From-To: jim->freebsd-doc Responsible-Changed-By: jim Responsible-Changed-When: Mon May 22 11:26:11 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 22 11:36:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC65E37C050; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:36:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15925; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:06:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:06:04 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Sean Kelly Cc: andrew@ugh.net.au, FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, br@netland.inka.de Subject: Re: print.jadetex port doesn't compile Message-ID: <20000522190603.A12735@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200005191839.EAA77751@itlab70.easstud.gu.edu.au> <008801bfc27a$3239a320$6a1010ac@rosetta.zon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <008801bfc27a$3239a320$6a1010ac@rosetta.zon>; from kelly@ad1440.net on Sat, May 20, 2000 at 09:41:06AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 09:41:06AM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote: > I haven't investigated the failed JadeTeX port build fully, but I'd wager > that a new version of the tex or the teTeX port must have reduced sizes of > various tables maintained internally by tex while it runs to build JadeTeX. > These sizes have worked before for *building* of JadeTeX but needed to be > modified for the *running* of JadeTeX. > > Users on FreeBSD-doc have reported that if you make the modifications > suggested in /usr/ports/print/jadetex/pkg/MESSAGE *before* building the > JadeTeX port, it will build (and run) correctly. > > I'd recommend that the post-install or patch steps of the tex and teTeX > ports do this on the user's behalf, unless someone sees a reason otherwise. Yes. I'm wary of stomping over another program's defaults though, particularly when I don't actually know how the various TeX configuration knobs interact with one another. Perhaps something like this, in jadetex/Makefile IS_INTERACTIVE= "user must set PATCHEDTEX variable" .if empty(PATCHEDTEX) && (make(build) || make(install)) .BEGIN: @${CAT} files/PATCHTEX @${FALSE} .endif where jadetex/files/PATCHTEX says JadeTeX may require you to increase the size of certain defaults in TeX before it will build correctly. We recommend you edit $PREFIX/share/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf, and ensure that the following parameters have values *at least* as high as this. hash_extra = 60000 pool_size = 1000000 max_strings = 70000 save_size = 10000 when you have done this, run "make -DPATCHTEX install" to build and install JadeTeX. and remove the similar text from the post-install MESSAGE. Having said that, if the teTeX maintainer (who I've cc'd on this) is happy with it then a patch-aa for teTeX that did this anyway would be a better approach. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 22 11:44:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523EE37BB5A; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:44:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jim@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA79687; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:44:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:44:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005221844.LAA79687@freefall.freebsd.org> To: eogren@earthlink.net, jim@FreeBSD.org, jim@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/17869 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Patch provided to update installation section of book State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jim State-Changed-When: Mon May 22 11:44:29 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! Responsible-Changed-From-To: jim->freebsd-doc Responsible-Changed-By: jim Responsible-Changed-When: Mon May 22 11:44:29 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 22 11:51:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1A437B729; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:51:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jim@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA80572; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:51:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:51:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005221851.LAA80572@freefall.freebsd.org> To: pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at, jim@FreeBSD.org, jim@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/16764 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Include link to "Linux-Oracle on FreeBSD" page State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jim State-Changed-When: Mon May 22 11:50:21 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Marcel's document on installing Oracle was added a while ago. I guess it's about time I remember to close this PR :-) Responsible-Changed-From-To: jim->freebsd-doc Responsible-Changed-By: jim Responsible-Changed-When: Mon May 22 11:50:21 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 22 13:30:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cfcl.com (w193.z205158144.scl-ca.dsl.cnc.net [205.158.144.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 812BA37BC6B for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 13:30:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) X-Sent-To: Received: from w205.z205158144.scl-ca.dsl.cnc.net (cerberus [205.158.144.205]) by cfcl.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA24021 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 13:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:29:46 -0700 To: doc@freebsd.org From: Rich Morin Subject: Aspiring Writers? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At Jordan Hubbard's suggestion, I am writing to ask if anyone has a book proposal lurking in the backs of their minds. I am a Consulting Advisor (whatever that is :-) for Addison Wesley, in the Unix and Open Source area. In part, this means that I am supposed to solicit (and help prepare) book proposals. If you would be interested in talking about a possible book, please send me a note. -r -- Rich Morin: rdm@cfcl.com, +1 650-873-7841, http://www.ptf.com/~rdm Prime Time Freeware: info@ptf.com, +1 408-433-9662, http://www.ptf.com MacPerl: http://www.macperl.com, http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/MPPE MkLinux: http://www.mklinux.apple.com, http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/MKLP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 22 15:38:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7723C37B5D0 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 15:38:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA43657; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:47:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 22:47:09 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, kde-kdoc@kde.org, ldp-discuss@lists.linuxdoc.org, doc@freebsd.org, netbsd-users@netbsd.org, misc@openbsd.org, oswg-discuss@oswg.org, docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org, docbook@lists.oasis-open.org, sgml-tools@via.ecp.fr Subject: Arranging a Usenix documentation BoF Message-ID: <20000522224709.D20062@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Reply-To: nik@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks. [ There's quite a wide distribution list on this message, and I'm not subscribed to most of the lists I'm posting to, so I've set reply-to back to myself. Due to the nature of the subject, some of you may well be on more than one of the lists I'm sending this to. I apologise in advance for the inevitable duplication. ] I'm writing in my capacity as the FreeBSD Documentation Project Manager. As some of you are probably aware, there is a Usenix conference this June in San Diego. There are plenty of details on the Usenix web site, at I am hoping to organise (or, better yet, co-organise, if anyone else would like to volunteer) a free software (or "Open Source" if you prefer) documentation Birds of a Feather (BoF) gathering one evening at the conference. This BoF would be an excuse to meet up, talk through some of the issues that affect all of us involved in free documentation projects, swap tips and ideas, and probably imbibe a drink or two as well. Some of the issues I think we could usefully collaborate on include the toolsets we use to write and format documentation, how to attract contributors to our projects, how to make things easier for translation teams, standards that we might be able to adopt to make it easier to migrate documentation from one project to another, or from one development platform to another, and so on. That's to say nothing of discussions on how we can improve what we write, and what's submitted to our projects, to make it easier for the end user to follow. If you would be interested, please drop me a line to say so, so I can liase with the Usenix organisers and provide them with a rough idea of numbers. I've sent (or attempted to send) this message to the following people; * Gnome Doc. Project * KDE Doc. Project * Linux Doc. Project * Open Source Writers Group * FreeBSD Doc. Project * NetBSD General * OpenBSD General * DocBook DTD list * DocBook Apps list * SGML Tools list However, I don't doubt there are a lot of other free software projects out there with documentation teams. Please feel free to forward this message on to any other projects you know of, if you think they would also like to participate. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 22 16:20: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E088C37B78B; Mon, 22 May 2000 16:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jim@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id QAA12870; Mon, 22 May 2000 16:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:20:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005222320.QAA12870@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dannyboy@subdimension.com, jim@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18632 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Minor grammar nit: internet.html State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jim State-Changed-When: Mon May 22 16:19:43 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 22 16:25:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A9737B6D8; Mon, 22 May 2000 16:25:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jim@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id QAA13470; Mon, 22 May 2000 16:25:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:25:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005222325.QAA13470@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dannyboy@subdimension.com, jim@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18630 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: minor applications.html fixes State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jim State-Changed-When: Mon May 22 16:25:12 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 22 17:30: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D7E37B6FC; Mon, 22 May 2000 17:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nbm@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id RAA20347; Mon, 22 May 2000 17:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:30:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005230030.RAA20347@freefall.freebsd.org> To: nbm@FreeBSD.org, nbm@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/17916 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [PATCH] rewrite of cutting-edge section of handbook Responsible-Changed-From-To: nbm->freebsd-doc Responsible-Changed-By: nbm Responsible-Changed-When: Mon May 22 17:29:05 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'm going away for a week - someone might be interested in that time. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 22 17:40:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06DC937B9C3; Mon, 22 May 2000 17:40:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29395; Tue, 23 May 2000 01:11:48 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 01:11:48 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: doc@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org Subject: Teaching sysinstall about the documentation packages Message-ID: <20000523011148.A27853@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ -doc, -hackers, and jkh.pl on the To: line. Watch those replies :-) ] For those that haven't been keeping up at the back, Doc. Project package generation is now pretty stable. What this means is that if you take yourself off to ftp.FreeBSD.org:/pub/FreeBSD/doc/packages/ and take a look in there, you'll see one package for each document, format, and language combination we currently support, all ripe for putting through pkg_add(1). Modulo some final testing, automatic generation of these is pretty much sorted. So, the time has come to think about ripping out the doc distro from "make release", and to teach sysinstall about these packages instead. Much as I relish the chance to do this, I'm already up to >here< with other doc. proj. pointy-hair work and all the fun things that entails, so I'm not going to get the chance to do this any time soon. Any volunteers? N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 22 17:40:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D4737BA82; Mon, 22 May 2000 17:40:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id RAA21318; Mon, 22 May 2000 17:40:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:40:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005230040.RAA21318@freefall.freebsd.org> To: Karlheinz.Eckmeier@t-online.de, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/16439 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: fdp-primer - difficulties with split SGML files State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Mon May 22 17:40:11 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Fixed in 1.3 of structure/chapter.sgml. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 22 17:43:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A6E37B95B; Mon, 22 May 2000 17:43:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id RAA21650; Mon, 22 May 2000 17:43:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:43:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005230043.RAA21650@freefall.freebsd.org> To: wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/13815 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Out-of-date FAQ entries State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Mon May 22 17:42:23 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Re-written these into one more comprehensive question that's up to date. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 22 21:51: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from telefonica.net.co (ns1.TELEFONICA.net.co [205.218.237.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835D037B8AB for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 21:50:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adhernan@telefonica.net.co) Received: from compaq ([206.27.71.168]) by telefonica.net.co (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA00610 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 23:50:48 -0500 Message-ID: <000401bfc473$dced8520$a8471bce@compaq> From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Adolfo_Hern=E1ndez?=" To: Subject: Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:41:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFC425.C99CE540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFC425.C99CE540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friends the firts question that comes to my mind is, do i have to = intall this OS in a computer with no OS at all or this system can = cohexist with, let say windows98, because in that way anybody could make = an evaluation tryal of the OS your are developing, well this is just an = idea but i'm really interested. 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Dear friends the firts question that comes to my = mind is, do i=20 have to intall this OS in a computer with no OS at all or this system = can=20 cohexist with, let say windows98, because in that way anybody could make = an=20 evaluation tryal of the OS your are developing, well this is just an = idea but=20 i'm really interested. Thanks a lot. Adolfo
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BFC425.C99CE540-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 22 22: 8: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87FE37BB06 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 22:07:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id HAA13677; Tue, 23 May 2000 07:08:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 12u6v5-0002i4-00 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 07:07:55 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 07:07:55 +0200 From: Szilveszter Adam To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <20000523070754.A10386@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org References: <000401bfc473$dced8520$a8471bce@compaq> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <000401bfc473$dced8520$a8471bce@compaq>; from adhernan@telefonica.net.co on Mon, May 22, 2000 at 07:41:56PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 07:41:56PM -0500, Adolfo Hernández wrote: > Dear friends the firts question that comes to my mind is, do i have to intall this OS in a computer with no OS at all or this system can cohexist with, let say windows98, because in that way anybody could make an evaluation tryal of the OS your are developing, well this is just an idea but i'm really interested. Thanks a lot. Adolfo It is possible to install FreeBSD along an existing OS. Take a look at http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/multi-os/index.html Regards: Szilveszter ADAM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 23 2:17:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe17.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.148.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C327F37B76D for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 02:17:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from animotions@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 96875 invoked by uid 65534); 23 May 2000 09:17:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20000523091747.96874.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.163.180.21] From: "msmouse" To: Subject: PPP Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 02:27:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFC45E.78231C00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFC45E.78231C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was looking over the PPP tutorials and it seems they are falling short = on instructions. If you look at http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/ppp/x524.html they hint = about IP Aliasing, Network Address Translation, Address Masquerading, = and Transparent Proxying. But they don't tell you how to do it. As a = newbie to freeBSD I find the ppp section lacking in good well written = instructions, also it does not seem up to date with the current version = of PPP, for example ppp 2.24 does not have the -alias switch but rather = the -nat switch. I would pester the news groups but I'm sure it gets annnoying for = everybody to have to answer the same questions over and over in hopes = that somebody will update the documentation that's available on your web = site. I certainly hope that the on-line documentation gets updated, verified, = and tested for functionality. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFC45E.78231C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was looking over the PPP tutorials and it seems = they are=20 falling short on instructions.
 
If you look at http://www.freebs= d.org/tutorials/ppp/x524.html they hint=20 about IP Aliasing, Network Address Translation, Address Masquerading, = and=20 Transparent Proxying.  But they don't tell you how to do it.  = As a=20 newbie to freeBSD I find the ppp section lacking in good well written=20 instructions, also it does not seem up to date with the current version = of PPP,=20 for example ppp 2.24 does not have the -alias switch but rather the -nat = switch.
 
I would pester the news groups but I'm sure it gets = annnoying=20 for everybody to have to answer the same questions over and over in = hopes that=20 somebody will update the documentation that's available on your web = site.
 
I certainly hope that the on-line documentation gets = updated,=20 verified, and tested for functionality.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFC45E.78231C00-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 23 6:10: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B6837BB4F for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 06:10:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id GAA18426; Tue, 23 May 2000 06:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from swan.au.en-bio.com (swan.en-bio.COM.AU [203.35.254.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA4137B9B6 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 06:02:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Tony.Maher@eBioinformatics.com) Received: from shad.au.int.en-bio.com (www-cache.au.en-bio.com [203.35.254.2]) by swan.au.en-bio.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA06558 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:02:16 +1000 Received: (from tonym@localhost) by shad.au.int.en-bio.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id XAA09036 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:02:02 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <200005231302.XAA09036@shad.au.int.en-bio.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:02:02 +1000 (EST) From: Tony Maher Reply-To: tony.maher@eBioinformatics.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18775: spelling (Release Notes) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18775 >Category: docs >Synopsis: spelling (Release Notes) >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue May 23 06:10:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Tony Maher >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: >Description: In src/release/texts/i386/RELNOTES.TXT the following passage has some interesting wording. "Floating point exceptions for new processes (devide-by-zero, ^^^^^^ under/overflow, invalid range etc.) are now disabled by default. Use fpsetmask(3) to reenable those you need. Note that integer device-by-zero is not covered by the FPU and will still trap after" ^^^^^^ >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 23 7: 6:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.libero.it (smtp2.libero.it [193.70.192.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C533737BB00 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 07:06:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nivit@libero.it) Received: from numeria.libero.it (151.29.248.108) by smtp2.libero.it; 23 May 2000 16:04:16 +0200 Received: from localhost (nivit@localhost) by numeria.libero.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01098; Tue, 23 May 2000 15:51:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nivit@libero.it) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 15:51:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Nicola Vitale To: Mark Ovens Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about mdoc formatting In-Reply-To: <20000521164932.A236@parish> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > [Mark Ovens, 21/05/00] > How do you force a newline in mdoc? .br So in your > Example: > > .It Ev DEF_BUILD_DIR > If set, is used as the path of the build directory instead of > .Pa /usr/src/sys/compile . > It can be overridden by the .br > .Fl d Ar destdir > option. Ciao. -- Nicola Vitale nivit@libero.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 23 7:16: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from columbus.cris.net (columbus.cris.net [212.110.128.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B9437B85C for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 07:15:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phantom@ark.cris.net) Received: from ark.cris.net (root@ark.cris.net [212.110.128.68]) by columbus.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA72353; Tue, 23 May 2000 17:15:10 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by ark.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00706; Tue, 23 May 2000 17:15:30 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from phantom) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:15:30 +0300 From: Alexey Zelkin To: Nicola Vitale Cc: Mark Ovens , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Question about mdoc formatting Message-ID: <20000523171530.C99582@ark.cris.net> References: <20000521164932.A236@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from nivit@libero.it on Tue, May 23, 2000 at 03:51:45PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 03:51:45PM +0200, Nicola Vitale wrote: > > [Mark Ovens, 21/05/00] > > How do you force a newline in mdoc? > > .br It's breaking mdoc requirements -- don't use direct troff formatting directives in your mdoc manpages. > So in your > > > Example: > > > > .It Ev DEF_BUILD_DIR > > If set, is used as the path of the build directory instead of > > .Pa /usr/src/sys/compile . > > It can be overridden by the > .br > > .Fl d Ar destdir > > option. -- /* Alexey Zelkin && phantom@cris.net */ /* Tavric National University && phantom@crimea.edu */ /* http://www.ccssu.crimea.ua/~phantom && phantom@FreeBSD.org */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 23 7:30: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1536737B85C for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 07:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA28735; Tue, 23 May 2000 07:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 07:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005231430.HAA28735@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Alexey Zelkin Subject: Re: docs/18775: spelling (Release Notes) Reply-To: Alexey Zelkin Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18775; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Alexey Zelkin To: Tony Maher Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/18775: spelling (Release Notes) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:19:45 +0300 hi, On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 11:02:02PM +1000, Tony Maher wrote: > >Number: 18775 > >Category: docs > >Synopsis: spelling (Release Notes) > In src/release/texts/i386/RELNOTES.TXT the following passage has > some interesting wording. > > "Floating point exceptions for new processes (devide-by-zero, > ^^^^^^ > under/overflow, invalid range etc.) are now disabled by default. Use > fpsetmask(3) to reenable those you need. Note that integer > device-by-zero is not covered by the FPU and will still trap after" > ^^^^^^ Shouldn't it be "divide" ? I mean both cases. -- /* Alexey Zelkin && phantom@cris.net */ /* Tavric National University && phantom@crimea.edu */ /* http://www.ccssu.crimea.ua/~phantom && phantom@FreeBSD.org */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 23 7:36:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mppsystems.com (mppsystems.com [208.210.148.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE13237B85C for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 07:36:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@mppsystems.com) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mppsystems.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11102; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:33:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mpp) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:33:03 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard To: Nicola Vitale Cc: Mark Ovens , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Question about mdoc formatting Message-ID: <20000523093303.A11021@mppsystems.com> References: <20000521164932.A236@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from nivit@libero.it on Tue, May 23, 2000 at 03:51:45PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 03:51:45PM +0200, Nicola Vitale wrote: > > [Mark Ovens, 21/05/00] > > How do you force a newline in mdoc? > > .br No, don't use *roff formatting directives directly within -mdoc style man pages. The .Pp macro will generate a line break, as well as an empty line, which may not be what you want. > So in your > > > Example: > > > > .It Ev DEF_BUILD_DIR > > If set, is used as the path of the build directory instead of > > .Pa /usr/src/sys/compile . > > It can be overridden by the > .br > > .Fl d Ar destdir > > option. I would suggest something like this (untested): .It Ev DEF_BUILDER_DIR If set, is used as the path of the build directory instead of .Pa /usr/src/sys/compile It can be overridden by the .Dq Fl d Ar destdir option. This should generate something like: DEF_BUILDER_DIR If set, is used as the path of the build directory instead of _/usr/src/sys/compile. It can be overridden by the ``-d destdir'' option. -Mike -- Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.org or mpp@mppsystems.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 23 8:38:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.va.home.com (ha1.rdc1.va.home.com [24.2.32.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D376737B6E7 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 08:38:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from john.baldwin.cx ([24.6.244.187]) by mail.rdc1.va.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000523153821.JFGQ22611.mail.rdc1.va.home.com@john.baldwin.cx>; Tue, 23 May 2000 08:38:21 -0700 Content-Length: 1235 X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200005231430.HAA28735@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:38:20 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Alexey Zelkin Subject: Re: docs/18775: spelling (Release Notes) Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20000523153821.JFGQ22611.mail.rdc1.va.home.com@john.baldwin.cx> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 23-May-00 Alexey Zelkin wrote: > The following reply was made to PR docs/18775; it has been noted by GNATS. > > From: Alexey Zelkin > To: Tony Maher > Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: docs/18775: spelling (Release Notes) > Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:19:45 +0300 > > hi, > > On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 11:02:02PM +1000, Tony Maher wrote: > > > >Number: 18775 > > >Category: docs > > >Synopsis: spelling (Release Notes) > > > In src/release/texts/i386/RELNOTES.TXT the following passage has > > some interesting wording. > > > > "Floating point exceptions for new processes (devide-by-zero, > > ^^^^^^ > > under/overflow, invalid range etc.) are now disabled by default. Use > > fpsetmask(3) to reenable those you need. Note that integer > > device-by-zero is not covered by the FPU and will still trap after" > > ^^^^^^ > > Shouldn't it be "divide" ? I mean both cases. Yes. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 23 9: 8:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9808237B7DC; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:08:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21365; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:10:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Teaching sysinstall about the documentation packages In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 23 May 2000 01:11:48 BST." <20000523011148.A27853@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:10:26 -0700 Message-ID: <21362.959098226@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > So, the time has come to think about ripping out the doc distro from > "make release", and to teach sysinstall about these packages instead. Actually, if the doc distro becomes a set of packages then sysinstall doesn't need to know about them as a special case at all (which is good, every package dependency sysinstall gets is another millstone around my neck). They can just show up in the packages menu and people can select docs, if they wish, while they're selecting their favorite shells or editors. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 23 15:20:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073A737B8B8 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 15:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id PAA90737; Tue, 23 May 2000 15:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (lowellg.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.184.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB6F37B661 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 15:14:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lowell@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (from lowell@localhost) by be-well.ilk.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA72870; Tue, 23 May 2000 18:14:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lowell) Message-Id: <200005232214.SAA72870@be-well.ilk.org> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:14:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert Reply-To: Lowell Gilbert To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18783: more password-format text Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18783 >Category: docs >Synopsis: more hammering on the DES-vs-MD5 text >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue May 23 15:20:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Lowell Gilbert >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: the Ilk >Environment: handbook security chapter >Description: Further explanation of a couple of points that have come up lately on the mailing lists (or was it newsgroup?). Also, I fixed a few grammar nits. This covers some of the same ground as my year-and-a-half-old PR docs/8765, but mostly not. That one probably belongs in the FAQ, anyway. >How-To-Repeat: n/a >Fix: *** chapter.sgml~ Sat May 6 16:21:57 2000 --- chapter.sgml Tue May 23 18:09:19 2000 *************** *** 742,755 **** Parts rewritten and updated by &a.unfurl;, 21 March 2000. ! Every user on a UNIX system has a password associated with their ! account, obviously these passwords need to be known only to ! the user and the actual operating system. In order to keep ! these passwords secret, they are encrypted with what is known ! as a 'one-way hash', that is, they can only be easily encrypted ! but not decrypted. The only way to get the password is by ! brute force searching the space of possible passwords. ! Unfortunately the only secure way to encrypt passwords when UNIX came into being was based on DES, the Data Encryption Standard. This is not such a problem for users that live in the US, but since the source code for DES cannot be exported --- 742,762 ---- Parts rewritten and updated by &a.unfurl;, 21 March 2000. ! Every user on a UNIX system has a password associated with ! their account. It seems obvious that these passwords need to be ! known only to the user and the actual operating system. In ! order to keep these passwords secret, they are encrypted with ! what is known as a 'one-way hash', that is, they can only be ! easily encrypted but not decrypted. In other words, what we ! told you a moment ago was obvious isn't even true: the operating ! system itself doesn't really know the ! password. It only knows the encrypted form ! of the password. The only way to get the 'plain-text' password ! is by a brute force search of the space of possible ! passwords. ! ! ! Unfortunately the only secure way to encrypt passwords when UNIX came into being was based on DES, the Data Encryption Standard. This is not such a problem for users that live in the US, but since the source code for DES cannot be exported *************** *** 761,767 **** so that US users could install the DES libraries and use DES but international users still had an encryption method that could be exported abroad. This is how FreeBSD came to ! use MD5 as it's default encryption method. Recognizing your crypt mechanism --- 768,776 ---- so that US users could install the DES libraries and use DES but international users still had an encryption method that could be exported abroad. This is how FreeBSD came to ! use MD5 as its default encryption method. MD5 is believed to ! be more secure than DES, so installing DES is offered primarily ! for compatibility reasons. Recognizing your crypt mechanism *************** *** 777,782 **** --- 786,799 ---- alphabet which does not include the $ character, so a relatively short string which does not begin with a dollar sign is very likely a DES password. + + The libraries can identify the passwords this way as + well. As a result, the DES libraries are able to identify MD5 + passwords, and use MD5 to check passwords that were encrypted + that way, and DES for the rest. They are able to do this + because the DES libraries also contain MD5. Unfortunately, + the reverse is not true, so the MD5 libraries can't + authenticate passwords that were encrypted with DES. Identifying which library is being used by the programs on your system is easy as well. Any program that uses crypt is linked >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 23 15:46:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CD137B8B8; Tue, 23 May 2000 15:46:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jim@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id PAA93492; Tue, 23 May 2000 15:46:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 15:46:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005232246.PAA93492@freefall.freebsd.org> To: lowell@world.std.com, jim@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18783 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: more hammering on the DES-vs-MD5 text State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jim State-Changed-When: Tue May 23 15:46:11 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed with minor changes, thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 23 17:53:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411DE37B855 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 17:53:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA52322; Wed, 24 May 2000 01:24:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 01:24:04 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: papowell@astart.com Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help? With DocBook + LPRng documentation Message-ID: <20000524012403.G42626@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200005232152.OAA18784@h4.private> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200005232152.OAA18784@h4.private>; from papowell@astart.com on Tue, May 23, 2000 at 02:52:40PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Patrick, [ I've cc'd this to -doc mailing list -- there's some stuff in the latter half of this message that I haven't really talked about on that list yet, and I'd like to get some feedback on it from others as well ]. Sorry for sounding slightly distant in my last e-mail. I've just remembered that we met at least years FreeBSDCon. I'm glad to see that something came of our conversation :-) On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 02:52:40PM -0700, papowell@astart.com wrote: > Thanks. I just read the stuff about illustrations and it > confirms my worst thoughts on this. > > You seem to have come to the same conclusion that I have: > each output format has a 'compatible' or 'desirable' input > format for illustrations and heaven help you if you want to > convert from one to the other. Yes and no. Actually converting from one image format to another is not too difficult. If you install the grapics/ImageMagick port, it includes a program called "convert". You can quite literally do convert _source_ _target_ to have it convert between several tens of different graphic formats. May main concern with mandating ImageMagick for the Documentation Project is that it's big. Something like the NetPBM utilities are smaller, but require a little more effort to string together. Instead of writing convert image.jpeg image.gif in your Makefiles (or shell scripts) you have to write something like djpeg image.jpeg | ppmquant -fs 256 | ppmtogif > image.gif Eminently feasible, it's just a trade off between ease of use vs. size. The only other problem is that producing PS and PDF output from the same source requires a small SGML hack, until the stylesheets we use get a little smarter. The other issue is "What should be the native format for vector graphics?". I first suggested EPS, several other people suggesting SVG from the W3C, which looks promising. The only stumbling block at the moment is the lack of a small utility that can convert SVG files to EPS (we already have a large program that can do that, called Sketch, but again, I don't want to add another big program to the set required to build the documentation if I can at all avoid it). > In addition, I note carefully that you also took at tiny > peek at 'language dependencies' in illustrations. > > Here is what I have done in the past for this stuff. > > I had a 'illustrations' directory that had all of the illustrations > in files with various suffixes. Note that the names of the illustrations > were NOT according to their position, but according to what I wanted. Not so good from our point of view -- people are going to be downloading this from all over the 'net. I'd like to make sure they have a way of easily saying "don't send me the Japanese images" (for example), to keep the amount of data transferred down. With the tools we're using at the moment (primarily CVSup) that means that organising things into different directories, rather than one big images directory, is probably better. > Now, you may wonder why I had a preprocessor. The answer is > AUTOMATIC CONVERSION. I had a set of EPS stuff -> .gif and a set > of .gif -> eps. Also, I had the convention that I would name > the language dependent ones 'illustration.fr.xx' so I could get the > right stuff. OK. This is (I think) really solving two problems. The first problem is, how do you use the right format image for the right output format. The second is how do you share images between languages. DocBook already lets us solve the first. You can write in your document, and the stylesheets are supposed to do the right thing, depending on what output format you're using. The example above will use the PNG file when generating HTML, and the EPS file when generating Postscript. As I say, it's a bug in the stylesheets that this doesn't work properly with PDF as well, requiring a kludge to work around -- it's not an inherent limitation in DocBook. I think we can solve the second problem (that of sharing images) by designating one language (probably English) as containing the master images. Consider a hypothetical article called "foo" in the English tree. This article uses three images. Two of these are not language specific (they contain no text), called generic-1.png and generic-2.png. The other one does contain English text, called specific.png. The Makefile for this document might look something like this: [...] IMAGES= generic-1.png IMAGES+= generic-2.png IMAGES+= specific.png [...] Then, some hypothetical Makefile magic in (the as yet unwritten) doc.images.mk is used to convert these images to the required formats, depending on the FORMATS variable. The logic is something like: If ${FORMATS} is anything except 'ps' or 'rtf' then do nothing special. If ${FORMATS} is 'ps' then convert them to EPS, if ${FORMATS} is 'rtf' then convert them to BMP. Now, suppose that the Japanese team have translated this article, but they have not yet created a translated version of specific.png. The Makefile for the Japanese document would contain the same three IMAGES lines. However, we need some additional glue that checks to see whether or not the image exists in the current directory. If it doesn't exist then it checks to see if the image exists in the parallel English directory. If it does then the Makefile can create a symlink to it, if it doesn't then an error can be flagged. This means that initially, the Japanese document will build with an English illustration. However, IMHO, a Japanese document with an English illustration is better than no Japanese document at all. Later, when the translation teams have created a translated version of the image then can commit their own version of "specific.png", at which point the Makefiles will realise it exists, and use it in preference to the English version. None of the code to do this exists yet -- it's not rocket science, I'm just somewhat busy on other stuff. If anyone wants to pick up an editor and start coding, please do so. To forestall a possible suggestion of "Why not create a generic/ directory, at the same level as the en*/, ja*/, and other directories, and put the language neutral images in there?" I think that this would inevitably lead to a profusion of repository copies, either as images are first committed to a language specific directory, before needing to be moved to the generic directory, or vice-versa. I realise that the approach I've outlined above would also make the English language directories in the repository become a pre-requisite for building the other translations, and that this is a burden for the translation teams. I hope that the use of technologies such as CVSup's "refuse" files, which would allow the translation teams to only need to download a copy of the English images (without needing the associated SGML files, or other infrastructure) will be sufficient to mitigate this problem. Of course, suggestions for alternative methods are always welcome. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 23 19: 6:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BBD37B835 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:06:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [62.7.93.143] (helo=parish.my.domain) by gadolinium with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12uJfw-0002it-00 for doc@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:45:09 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01272 for doc@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:43:07 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 19:43:07 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Why no Master Index? Message-ID: <20000523194307.C233@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there a reason why there is no Master Index/TOC for the FreeBSD docs? IMHO it would make sense to have a single point of entry into the documentation set. The handbook and FAQ are the high profile docs but the rest, especially the articles, are somewhat hidden from view being referenced from the handbook and FAQ and pointed to people in replies to questions. Something along the lines of: The FreeBSD Documentation Set ============================= 1. Handbook - A catagorized guide to FreeBSD 2. Frequently Asked Questions - Someone's probably asked it already 3. FDP Primer - How to write even more FreeBSD docs 4. Porters Handbook - Packaging up software for FreeBSD 5. PPP Primer - Your gateway to the 'net 6. Articles/Tutorials - Specialist handbooks/guides 6.1 Committers Guide - For the upper echelon only 6.2 Diskless X - Look Mum! No hard drive 6.3 Fonts - Both for the console and X 6.4 Formatting Media - Getting rid of your excess FAT 6.5 MH - An e-mail program 6.6 Multi OS - Keeping some of your FAT 6.7 New Users - We all started here once 6.8 Programming Tools - 101 ways to say "Hello, World" 6.9 Zip Drive - SCSI and IDE It could even list some key third party docs, John Polstra's cvsup FAQ springs to mind. As Nik has just suggested having the docs as a package to be installed by sysinstall it would seem sensible to have something like this. In fact I would go so far as to suggest that sysinstall automatically installed a browser with the docs index as it's Home Page. Having the docs "in your face" doesn't seem to be inappropriate for new users. Just my two pen'orth -- ...and on the eighth day God created UNIX ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 23 19:22:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com (praseodumium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81DE37BB4E for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:22:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [213.1.164.88] (helo=parish.my.domain) by ruthenium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12uIr4-00076T-00; Tue, 23 May 2000 18:52:35 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01051; Tue, 23 May 2000 18:48:32 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:48:31 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Mike Pritchard Cc: Nicola Vitale , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about mdoc formatting Message-ID: <20000523184831.B233@parish> References: <20000521164932.A236@parish> <20000523093303.A11021@mppsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000523093303.A11021@mppsystems.com>; from mpp@mppsystems.com on Tue, May 23, 2000 at 09:33:03AM -0500 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 09:33:03AM -0500, Mike Pritchard wrote: > On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 03:51:45PM +0200, Nicola Vitale wrote: > > > [Mark Ovens, 21/05/00] > > > How do you force a newline in mdoc? > > > > .br > > No, don't use *roff formatting directives directly within -mdoc > style man pages. > > The .Pp macro will generate a line break, as well as an empty line, > which may not be what you want. > > > So in your > > > > > Example: > > > > > > .It Ev DEF_BUILD_DIR > > > If set, is used as the path of the build directory instead of > > > .Pa /usr/src/sys/compile . > > > It can be overridden by the > > .br > > > .Fl d Ar destdir > > > option. > > I would suggest something like this (untested): > > .It Ev DEF_BUILDER_DIR > If set, is used as the path of the build directory instead of > .Pa /usr/src/sys/compile > It can be overridden by the > .Dq Fl d Ar destdir > option. > > > This should generate something like: > > DEF_BUILDER_DIR If set, is used as the path of the build > directory instead of _/usr/src/sys/compile. > It can be overridden by the ``-d destdir'' option. > > Nah, it didn't work. It used double quotes, but still wrapped the same. I guessed that there wasn't a direct solution, after all inserting a line-break that is correct in an 80-column window would be wrong in a 90-column, even though FreeBSD manpages format to 80 even if the window is bigger. I suppose what is really needed is for .Fl d Ar destdir to use a non-breaking space between the flag and the arg. In this case I'll just stick the extra word in. 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= ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFC576.ED15B9A0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 23 23:50: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA51B37BA4A for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id XAA44338; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com (praseodumium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDF3837B8D1 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:45:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [213.1.164.88] (helo=parish.my.domain) by gadolinium with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12uIyr-0001tp-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:00:39 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01210; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:00:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Message-Id: <200005231800.TAA01210@parish.my.domain> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 19:00:21 +0100 (BST) From: Mark Ovens Reply-To: Mark Ovens To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18789: [PATCH] bad link in the handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18789 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] bad link in the handbook >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue May 23 23:50:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Mark Ovens >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: >Description: The link to the Porters Handbook in the Ports section of the handbook has an incomplete URL. It only points to the directory, not index.html >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: *** /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/ports/chapter.sgml.orig Sun May 21 19:17:30 2000 --- /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/ports/chapter.sgml Tue May 23 18:55:23 2000 *************** *** 989,997 **** Advanced Topics The documentation that was here has been moved to its own Porter's Handbook for ease of ! reference. Please go there if you wish to create and submit your own ! ports. Advanced Topics The documentation that was here has been moved to its own Porter's Handbook for ! ease of reference. Please go there if you wish to create and ! submit your own ports. Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 1:39:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp3.libero.it (smtp3.libero.it [193.70.192.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11EE137B5B6 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 01:39:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nivit@libero.it) Received: from numeria.libero.it (151.29.251.197) by smtp3.libero.it; 24 May 2000 10:39:43 +0200 Received: from localhost (nivit@localhost) by numeria.libero.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01129; Wed, 24 May 2000 10:27:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nivit@libero.it) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:27:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Nicola Vitale To: Alexey Zelkin Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Question about mdoc formatting In-Reply-To: <20000523171530.C99582@ark.cris.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > [Mark Ovens, 21/05/00] > > > How do you force a newline in mdoc? > > [Nicola Vitale, 23/05/00] > > .br > [Alexey Zelkin, 23/05/00] > It's breaking mdoc requirements -- don't use direct troff formatting > directives in your mdoc manpages. I didn't know. I thought it was possible, because in some manpages that directive is used (see, for example, troff(1), lam(1), as(1), etc) -- even in original (I think) 4.4BSD ones -- btree(3), etc. I'm sorry for the error. Ciao. -- Nicola Vitale nivit@libero.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 4:26: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from columbus.cris.net (columbus.cris.net [212.110.128.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4187837B99A for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 04:25:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phantom@ark.cris.net) Received: from ark.cris.net (root@ark.cris.net [212.110.128.68]) by columbus.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA48060; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:25:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by ark.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03519; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:25:42 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from phantom) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:25:42 +0300 From: Alexey Zelkin To: Nicola Vitale Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Question about mdoc formatting Message-ID: <20000524142542.A3244@ark.cris.net> References: <20000523171530.C99582@ark.cris.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from nivit@libero.it on Wed, May 24, 2000 at 10:27:01AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 10:27:01AM +0200, Nicola Vitale wrote: > > It's breaking mdoc requirements -- don't use direct troff formatting > > directives in your mdoc manpages. > > I didn't know. I thought it was possible, because in some > manpages that directive is used (see, for example, > troff(1), lam(1), as(1), etc) -- even in original (I think) > 4.4BSD ones -- btree(3), etc. They are using -man macros, not -mdoc. We did not convert them to -mdoc format because they're vendor supplied (located in contrib/). Please read mdoc(7) and man(7) manpages if you want to understand difference between them. PS: Initial question was related exactly to -mdoc formatting way. -- /* Alexey Zelkin && phantom@cris.net */ /* Tavric National University && phantom@crimea.edu */ /* http://www.ccssu.crimea.ua/~phantom && phantom@FreeBSD.org */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 4:28:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from columbus.cris.net (columbus.cris.net [212.110.128.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1850F37BC96 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 04:28:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phantom@ark.cris.net) Received: from ark.cris.net (root@ark.cris.net [212.110.128.68]) by columbus.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA50179; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:28:14 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by ark.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04520; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:28:35 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from phantom) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:28:35 +0300 From: Alexey Zelkin To: Mark Ovens Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Question about mdoc formatting Message-ID: <20000524142835.B3244@ark.cris.net> References: <20000521164932.A236@parish> <20000523093303.A11021@mppsystems.com> <20000523184831.B233@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000523184831.B233@parish>; from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org on Tue, May 23, 2000 at 06:48:31PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 06:48:31PM +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > I guessed that there wasn't a direct solution, after all inserting a > line-break that is correct in an 80-column window would be wrong in a > 90-column, even though FreeBSD manpages format to 80 even if the > window is bigger. It's hardcoded. Troff's ascii formatting device has hardcoded screen width. -- /* Alexey Zelkin && phantom@cris.net */ /* Tavric National University && phantom@crimea.edu */ /* http://www.ccssu.crimea.ua/~phantom && phantom@FreeBSD.org */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 5: 2:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mppsystems.com (mppsystems.com [208.210.148.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C942137BAC6 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 05:02:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@mppsystems.com) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mppsystems.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15784; Wed, 24 May 2000 07:01:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mpp) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 07:01:39 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard To: Alexey Zelkin Cc: Nicola Vitale , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Question about mdoc formatting Message-ID: <20000524070139.A15746@mppsystems.com> References: <20000523171530.C99582@ark.cris.net> <20000524142542.A3244@ark.cris.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000524142542.A3244@ark.cris.net>; from phantom@cris.crimea.ua on Wed, May 24, 2000 at 02:25:42PM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 02:25:42PM +0300, Alexey Zelkin wrote: > hi, > > On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 10:27:01AM +0200, Nicola Vitale wrote: > > > > It's breaking mdoc requirements -- don't use direct troff formatting > > > directives in your mdoc manpages. > > > > I didn't know. I thought it was possible, because in some > > manpages that directive is used (see, for example, > > troff(1), lam(1), as(1), etc) -- even in original (I think) > > 4.4BSD ones -- btree(3), etc. > > They are using -man macros, not -mdoc. We did not convert them to -mdoc > format because they're vendor supplied (located in contrib/). Actually, I think there are still a few -mdoc man pages out there that use *roff formatting directives directly. I kill them when I see them, but I am pretty sure that there are a good 1/2 - 1 dozen of them still floating around. Feel free to go hunting :-) -Mike -- Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.org or mpp@mppsystems.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 6:26: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp3.libero.it (smtp3.libero.it [193.70.192.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98CEB37B829 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 06:25:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nivit@libero.it) Received: from numeria.libero.it (151.29.199.53) by smtp3.libero.it; 24 May 2000 15:25:47 +0200 Received: from localhost (nivit@localhost) by numeria.libero.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00802; Wed, 24 May 2000 15:11:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nivit@libero.it) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:11:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Nicola Vitale To: Mike Pritchard Cc: Mark Ovens , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Question about mdoc formatting In-Reply-To: <20000523093303.A11021@mppsystems.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > [Mark Ovens, 21/05/00] > > > How do you force a newline in mdoc? > > [Nicola Vitale, 23/05/00] > > .br > [Mike Pritchard, 23/05/00] > No, don't use *roff formatting directives directly within -mdoc > style man pages. I didn't know. :-( Relaunching: .It Ev DEF_BUILDER_DIR If set, is used as the path of the build directory instead of .Pa /usr/src/sys/compile It can be overriden by the .Bk -words Fl d Ar destdir .Ek option. Is it an effective solution? Ciao. -- Nicola Vitale nivit@libero.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 6:42: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from columbus.cris.net (columbus.cris.net [212.110.128.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B37737B80D for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 06:41:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phantom@ark.cris.net) Received: from ark.cris.net (root@ark.cris.net [212.110.128.68]) by columbus.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06482; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:41:13 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by ark.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25712; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:41:33 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from phantom) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 16:41:33 +0300 From: Alexey Zelkin To: Nicola Vitale Cc: Mike Pritchard , Mark Ovens , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Question about mdoc formatting Message-ID: <20000524164133.A25594@ark.cris.net> References: <20000523093303.A11021@mppsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from nivit@libero.it on Wed, May 24, 2000 at 03:11:46PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 03:11:46PM +0200, Nicola Vitale wrote: > Relaunching: > > .It Ev DEF_BUILDER_DIR > If set, is used as the path of the build directory instead of > .Pa /usr/src/sys/compile > It can be overriden by the > .Bk -words > Fl d Ar destdir > .Ek > option. > > Is it an effective solution? Yes. It's also abosolutely *correct* mdoc solution. Except missing period before "Fl". -- /* Alexey Zelkin && phantom@cris.net */ /* Tavric National University && phantom@crimea.edu */ /* http://www.ccssu.crimea.ua/~phantom && phantom@FreeBSD.org */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 6:45:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mppsystems.com (mppsystems.com [208.210.148.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A2137BB94; Wed, 24 May 2000 06:45:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@mppsystems.com) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mppsystems.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16358; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:45:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mpp) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:45:47 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard To: Nicola Vitale Cc: doc@freebsd.org, sheldonh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about mdoc formatting Message-ID: <20000524084547.A16277@mppsystems.com> References: <20000523093303.A11021@mppsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from nivit@libero.it on Wed, May 24, 2000 at 03:11:46PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 03:11:46PM +0200, Nicola Vitale wrote: > > > > [Mark Ovens, 21/05/00] > > > > How do you force a newline in mdoc? > > > [Nicola Vitale, 23/05/00] > > > .br > > [Mike Pritchard, 23/05/00] > > No, don't use *roff formatting directives directly within -mdoc > > style man pages. > > I didn't know. :-( No big deal. Better that you asked for advice first, right? > Relaunching: > > .It Ev DEF_BUILDER_DIR > If set, is used as the path of the build directory instead of > .Pa /usr/src/sys/compile > It can be overriden by the > .Bk -words > Fl d Ar destdir > .Ek > option. > > Is it an effective solution? Ooooh....this is only somewhat documented (it is in mdoc.samples, but not mdoc(7) (Sheldon, wanna tackle this one? If not, I will). I've never actually seen those macros used anywhere, so I'm not sure if they work :-(. From the documentation, .Bk/.Ek sound like what you want. If they don't work for you, why don't you send me the mdoc source of the man page you are working on? Then I'll take a look and see if I can figure out a work-around? -Mike -- Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.org or mpp@mppsystems.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 7:12:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from columbus.cris.net (columbus.cris.net [212.110.128.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D40C37BA12; Wed, 24 May 2000 07:12:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phantom@ark.cris.net) Received: from ark.cris.net (root@ark.cris.net [212.110.128.68]) by columbus.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA41772; Wed, 24 May 2000 17:12:06 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by ark.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30775; Wed, 24 May 2000 17:12:27 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from phantom) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:12:26 +0300 From: Alexey Zelkin To: Mike Pritchard Cc: Nicola Vitale , doc@FreeBSD.ORG, sheldonh@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Question about mdoc formatting Message-ID: <20000524171226.A30609@ark.cris.net> References: <20000523093303.A11021@mppsystems.com> <20000524084547.A16277@mppsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000524084547.A16277@mppsystems.com>; from mpp@mppsystems.com on Wed, May 24, 2000 at 08:45:47AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 08:45:47AM -0500, Mike Pritchard wrote: > > Relaunching: > > > > .It Ev DEF_BUILDER_DIR > > If set, is used as the path of the build directory instead of > > .Pa /usr/src/sys/compile > > It can be overriden by the > > .Bk -words > > Fl d Ar destdir > > .Ek > > option. > > > > Is it an effective solution? > > Ooooh....this is only somewhat documented (it is in mdoc.samples, but > not mdoc(7) (Sheldon, wanna tackle this one? If not, I will). And .Em and other font manipulation macros. :) > I've never actually seen those macros used anywhere, so I'm not > sure if they work :-(. If they're not working, then they *should* be fixed. -- /* Alexey Zelkin && phantom@cris.net */ /* Tavric National University && phantom@crimea.edu */ /* http://www.ccssu.crimea.ua/~phantom && phantom@FreeBSD.org */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 7:25:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mppsystems.com (mppsystems.com [208.210.148.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B8F37BC4D; Wed, 24 May 2000 07:25:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@mppsystems.com) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mppsystems.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16642; Wed, 24 May 2000 09:25:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mpp) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:25:09 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard To: Alexey Zelkin Cc: Nicola Vitale , doc@FreeBSD.ORG, sheldonh@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: undocumented mdoc [was: Question about mdoc formatting] Message-ID: <20000524092509.A16534@mppsystems.com> References: <20000523093303.A11021@mppsystems.com> <20000524084547.A16277@mppsystems.com> <20000524171226.A30609@ark.cris.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000524171226.A30609@ark.cris.net>; from phantom@cris.crimea.ua on Wed, May 24, 2000 at 05:12:26PM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 05:12:26PM +0300, Alexey Zelkin wrote: > hi, > > On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 08:45:47AM -0500, Mike Pritchard wrote: > > > Ooooh....this is only somewhat documented (it is in mdoc.samples, but > > not mdoc(7) (Sheldon, wanna tackle this one? If not, I will). > > And .Em and other font manipulation macros. :) .Em is documented in both. Do you know of others? Please let me know. Actually, we seem to keep finding inconsistencies between mdoc(7) and mdoc.samples(7). We probably need to do an extensive review and comparison of both documents to see what is missing from one or the other. > > I've never actually seen those macros used anywhere, so I'm not > > sure if they work :-(. > > If they're not working, then they *should* be fixed. Absolutely! And now that I finally have a printed set of original troff documents again, I'll start looking at these kinds of things again :-) -Mike -- Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.org or mpp@mppsystems.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 8:18:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07F837BCF4; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:18:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA71644; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:18:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:18:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005241518.IAA71644@freefall.freebsd.org> To: sanpei@sanpei.org, asmodai@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18177 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [Patch] print message was wrong about PC-Card irq in sysinstall State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: asmodai State-Changed-When: Wed May 24 08:13:00 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed by jkoshy in rev 1.11 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 8:20: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D89F37BCC4 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:20:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA71872; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:20:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id EC12537BC74; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20000524151225.EC12537BC74@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:12:25 -0700 (PDT) From: bobj@atlantic.net To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/18792: date man page has misleading description of -r option Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18792 >Category: docs >Synopsis: date man page has misleading description of -r option >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed May 24 08:20:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Bob Johnson >Release: 3.4-STABLE FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE #2: Mon Mar 27 >Organization: >Environment: >Description: "man date" says -r Print out the date and time in seconds from the Epoch. which isn't really accurate. It prints the time that is a user-specified number of seconds from the Epoch. >How-To-Repeat: man date Note that synopsis specifies _seconds_ argument to the -r option. >Fix: Change it to say -r Print out the date and time that is _seconds_ seconds from the Epoch. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 8:23:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from columbus.cris.net (columbus.cris.net [212.110.128.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099B137BCD4; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:23:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phantom@ark.cris.net) Received: from ark.cris.net (root@ark.cris.net [212.110.128.68]) by columbus.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA34597; Wed, 24 May 2000 18:23:06 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by ark.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA42231; Wed, 24 May 2000 18:23:27 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from phantom) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:23:27 +0300 From: Alexey Zelkin To: Mike Pritchard Cc: Nicola Vitale , doc@FreeBSD.ORG, sheldonh@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: undocumented mdoc [was: Question about mdoc formatting] Message-ID: <20000524182327.A41898@ark.cris.net> References: <20000523093303.A11021@mppsystems.com> <20000524084547.A16277@mppsystems.com> <20000524171226.A30609@ark.cris.net> <20000524092509.A16534@mppsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000524092509.A16534@mppsystems.com>; from mpp@mppsystems.com on Wed, May 24, 2000 at 09:25:09AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 09:25:09AM -0500, Mike Pritchard wrote: > .Em is documented in both. Do you know of others? Please let me know. Just to inform about undocumented -mdoc macros (or documented in one place: mdoc(7) or mdoc.samples(7)). Unfortunatelly I don't have time now to do it and I post it to allow others to fix it. Fr, Or, Ms, nN, Eq, Es, En, Vr, eO, eC, pF, Pf, Hv, Sv, Tv, aT, aU, s[0-4], c[0-4], bV, lV, lL, hL, oL, iT, [nhb]U, uL, mL, tL, Qt, Hf > Actually, we seem to keep finding inconsistencies between mdoc(7) > and mdoc.samples(7). We probably need to do an extensive review and > comparison of both documents to see what is missing from one or > the other. > > > > I've never actually seen those macros used anywhere, so I'm not > > > sure if they work :-(. > > > > If they're not working, then they *should* be fixed. > > Absolutely! And now that I finally have a printed set of original troff > documents again, I'll start looking at these kinds of things again :-) Me too :) BTW, did you test .Ur macro which I sent you month ago ? -- /* Alexey Zelkin && phantom@cris.net */ /* Tavric National University && phantom@crimea.edu */ /* http://www.ccssu.crimea.ua/~phantom && phantom@FreeBSD.org */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 8:44:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E026D37BCB7; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:44:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA77359; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:44:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:44:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005241544.IAA77359@freefall.freebsd.org> To: asmodai@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, wosch@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/10240 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: We need a script which check if our web mirrors are up to date Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->wosch Responsible-Changed-By: asmodai Responsible-Changed-When: Wed May 24 08:42:54 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: It originated from Wolfram himself, allow him to decide how to deal with this. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 8:44:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mppsystems.com (mppsystems.com [208.210.148.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E901737BD1E; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:44:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@mppsystems.com) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mppsystems.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17299; Wed, 24 May 2000 10:44:06 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mpp) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:44:06 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard To: Alexey Zelkin Cc: Nicola Vitale , doc@FreeBSD.ORG, sheldonh@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: undocumented mdoc [was: Question about mdoc formatting] Message-ID: <20000524104406.B17012@mppsystems.com> References: <20000523093303.A11021@mppsystems.com> <20000524084547.A16277@mppsystems.com> <20000524171226.A30609@ark.cris.net> <20000524092509.A16534@mppsystems.com> <20000524182327.A41898@ark.cris.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000524182327.A41898@ark.cris.net>; from phantom@cris.crimea.ua on Wed, May 24, 2000 at 06:23:27PM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 06:23:27PM +0300, Alexey Zelkin wrote: > hi, > > On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 09:25:09AM -0500, Mike Pritchard wrote: > > > .Em is documented in both. Do you know of others? Please let me know. > > Just to inform about undocumented -mdoc macros (or documented in one place: > mdoc(7) or mdoc.samples(7)). Unfortunatelly I don't have time now to do it > and I post it to allow others to fix it. > > Fr, Or, Ms, nN, Eq, Es, En, Vr, eO, eC, pF, Pf, Hv, Sv, Tv, > aT, aU, s[0-4], c[0-4], bV, lV, lL, hL, oL, iT, [nhb]U, uL, > mL, tL, Qt, Hf Good list. However, anything that starts with an un-capitilized letter is internal to mdoc, and doesn't need to be documented. For Example, whatever the Bv, hL, oL macros doesn't matter. Thanks for the list, though. I'm trying to contact the original mdoc creators currently, and I hope to find out what some of these undefined /undocumented macros are really supposed to do. -Mike -- Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.org or mpp@mppsystems.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 8:50: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E60AC37BCB7 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA77967; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005241550.IAA77967@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Alexander Langer Subject: Re: docs/13792: Difficult to find documentation of "se Reply-To: Alexander Langer Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/13792; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Alexander Langer To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, brett@lariat.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/13792: Difficult to find documentation of "se Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:42:25 +0200 (CEST) I also agree: the link to securelevel.8 is good. Please commit (and/or close this PR). Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 8:50: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D4837BCEA for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA77972; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005241550.IAA77972@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Alexander Langer Subject: Re: docs/13967: FreeBSD Related Publications in Korea Reply-To: Alexander Langer Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/13967; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Alexander Langer To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/13967: FreeBSD Related Publications in Korea Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:43:55 +0200 (CEST) Kind of outdated. Is it still worth work? Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 9:22:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from columbus.cris.net (columbus.cris.net [212.110.128.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2967537B674; Wed, 24 May 2000 09:21:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phantom@ark.cris.net) Received: from ark.cris.net (root@ark.cris.net [212.110.128.68]) by columbus.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01483; Wed, 24 May 2000 19:21:11 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by ark.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA51475; Wed, 24 May 2000 19:21:32 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from phantom) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:21:32 +0300 From: Alexey Zelkin To: Mike Pritchard Cc: Alexey Zelkin , Nicola Vitale , doc@FreeBSD.ORG, sheldonh@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: undocumented mdoc [was: Question about mdoc formatting] Message-ID: <20000524192132.A51224@ark.cris.net> References: <20000523093303.A11021@mppsystems.com> <20000524084547.A16277@mppsystems.com> <20000524171226.A30609@ark.cris.net> <20000524092509.A16534@mppsystems.com> <20000524182327.A41898@ark.cris.net> <20000524104406.B17012@mppsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000524104406.B17012@mppsystems.com>; from mpp@mppsystems.com on Wed, May 24, 2000 at 10:44:06AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 10:44:06AM -0500, Mike Pritchard wrote: > > Fr, Or, Ms, nN, Eq, Es, En, Vr, eO, eC, pF, Pf, Hv, Sv, Tv, > > aT, aU, s[0-4], c[0-4], bV, lV, lL, hL, oL, iT, [nhb]U, uL, > > mL, tL, Qt, Hf > > Good list. > > However, anything that starts with an un-capitilized letter > is internal to mdoc, and doesn't need to be documented. For Example, > whatever the Bv, hL, oL macros doesn't matter. > > Thanks for the list, though. I'm trying to contact the original mdoc > creators currently, and I hope to find out what some of these > undefined /undocumented macros are really supposed to do. You can find comments to each of these macros in src/contrib/groff/tmac/tmac.doc -- /* Alexey Zelkin && phantom@cris.net */ /* Tavric National University && phantom@crimea.edu */ /* http://www.ccssu.crimea.ua/~phantom && phantom@FreeBSD.org */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 9:30:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mppsystems.com (mppsystems.com [208.210.148.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C25037BCEC; Wed, 24 May 2000 09:30:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@mppsystems.com) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mppsystems.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17564; Wed, 24 May 2000 11:30:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mpp) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:30:26 -0500 From: Mike Pritchard To: Alexey Zelkin Cc: Nicola Vitale , doc@FreeBSD.ORG, sheldonh@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: undocumented mdoc [was: Question about mdoc formatting] Message-ID: <20000524113026.A17532@mppsystems.com> References: <20000523093303.A11021@mppsystems.com> <20000524084547.A16277@mppsystems.com> <20000524171226.A30609@ark.cris.net> <20000524092509.A16534@mppsystems.com> <20000524182327.A41898@ark.cris.net> <20000524104406.B17012@mppsystems.com> <20000524192132.A51224@ark.cris.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000524192132.A51224@ark.cris.net>; from phantom@cris.crimea.ua on Wed, May 24, 2000 at 07:21:32PM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 07:21:32PM +0300, Alexey Zelkin wrote: > hi, > > On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 10:44:06AM -0500, Mike Pritchard wrote: > > > > Fr, Or, Ms, nN, Eq, Es, En, Vr, eO, eC, pF, Pf, Hv, Sv, Tv, > > > aT, aU, s[0-4], c[0-4], bV, lV, lL, hL, oL, iT, [nhb]U, uL, > > > mL, tL, Qt, Hf > > > > Good list. > > > > However, anything that starts with an un-capitilized letter > > is internal to mdoc, and doesn't need to be documented. For Example, > > whatever the Bv, hL, oL macros doesn't matter. > > > > Thanks for the list, though. I'm trying to contact the original mdoc > > creators currently, and I hope to find out what some of these > > undefined /undocumented macros are really supposed to do. > > You can find comments to each of these macros in > src/contrib/groff/tmac/tmac.doc I know, since I've documented a few of them that I was able to determine exactly what they did. Some of them are still a minor mystery. -- Mike Pritchard mpp@FreeBSD.org or mpp@mppsystems.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 13: 2:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D20737BD71 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 13:01:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA89770; Wed, 24 May 2000 20:00:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by kilt.nothing-going-on.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08646; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:48:50 GMT (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:48:50 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Mark Ovens Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why no Master Index? Message-ID: <20000524084850.A8565@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000523194307.C233@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000523194307.C233@parish>; from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org on Tue, May 23, 2000 at 07:43:07PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 07:43:07PM +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > Is there a reason why there is no Master Index/TOC for the FreeBSD > docs? This > < much time. This > < many things to do. :-) > IMHO it would make sense to have a single point of entry into > the documentation set. The handbook and FAQ are the high profile docs > but the rest, especially the articles, are somewhat hidden from view > being referenced from the handbook and FAQ and pointed to people in > replies to questions. Couldn't agree more. [snip] Your example looked good. Do you want to turn that in to HTML (based on the existing contents of www/en), and we can go from there. You might want to take a look at http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html, and try trimming that down. One way to do it would be to split things in two based on whether or not they're maintained by the project. So have a docs/index.html that offers the reader links to the two files, and an 'internal.html' that lists the project maintained docs, and an 'external.html' that lists the other stuff ('internal' and 'external' are crap names, please, come up with better ones :-) ) I also wouldn't mind seeing a translation table that listed all the docs, and an indication of whether or not they've been translated. . . en es fr ja ru zh Handbook x x x FAQ x x x x x x FDP Primer x Porter's Handbook x x [...] This would be a separate page. > As Nik has just suggested having the docs as a package to be installed > by sysinstall it would seem sensible to have something like this. In > fact I would go so far as to suggest that sysinstall automatically > installed a browser with the docs index as it's Home Page. Having the > docs "in your face" doesn't seem to be inappropriate for new users. Ye-es. Go through the archives and you'll find an effort by Andrew Boothman to create a process that would create and maintain an HTML index of all the documentation installed by ports/packages on a particular system (subject line was "Automatic documentation index"). Since I want to start encouraging people to treat our docs in exactly the same way we should (IMHO) leverage that work. Then sysinstall doesn't have to do anything new. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 13:44: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.tor.primus.ca (mail1.tor.primus.ca [216.254.136.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A692437B5A4 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 13:43:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@thomaskovacs.com) Received: from dialin-157-53.tor.primus.ca ([216.254.157.53] helo=kovacs) by mail1.tor.primus.ca with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 12ui0I-0003wN-05 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:43:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bfc5d9$e84256a0$359dfed8@kovacs> From: "Thomas Kovacs" To: Subject: Documentation dating Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 16:43:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFC59F.39566B20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFC59F.39566B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, First off I want to say the documentation you provide is EXCELLENT! I = have found it extremely helpful and am grateful for all the effort = contributors have put in to it. I'm pretty experienced with writing = documentation and when I get better experienced with FreeBSD, I would = eventually like to help with the documentation project.=20 As a suggestion, would it be possible to put the 'last updated' date on = each document. I like to keep my collection of documents up to date and = spend quite a bit of time perusing over on-line pages to determine = whether I have an updated version or not. Perhaps such a feature already exists and I'm just missing it. Please let me know. Thomas Kovacs ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFC59F.39566B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there,
 
First off I want to say the documentation you provide is=20 EXCELLENT! I have found it extremely helpful and am grateful = for all=20 the effort contributors have put in to it. I'm pretty experienced with = writing=20 documentation and when I get better experienced with FreeBSD, I would = eventually=20 like to help with the documentation project.
 
As a suggestion, would it be possible to put the 'last updated' = date on=20 each document. I like to keep my collection of documents up to date and = spend=20 quite a bit of time perusing over on-line pages to determine whether I = have an=20 updated version or not.
 
Perhaps such a feature already exists and I'm just missing = it.
Please let me know.
 
Thomas Kovacs
 
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFC59F.39566B20-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 15:21:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from luna.cdrom.com (luna.cdrom.com [204.216.28.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565DA37B58B; Wed, 24 May 2000 15:21:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@luna.cdrom.com) Received: by luna.cdrom.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 099D131FB; Wed, 24 May 2000 15:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:21:45 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: Nik Clayton Cc: Mark Ovens , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why no Master Index? Message-ID: <20000524152144.A29447@luna.cdrom.com> Reply-To: jim@FreeBSD.org References: <20000523194307.C233@parish> <20000524084850.A8565@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.2i In-Reply-To: <20000524084850.A8565@kilt.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, May 24, 2000 at 08:48:50AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 24 May 2000 at 08:48:50 +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 07:43:07PM +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > > Is there a reason why there is no Master Index/TOC for the FreeBSD > > docs? > > This > < much time. > > This > < many things to do. I'm more than happy to take this on. > Your example looked good. Do you want to turn that in to HTML (based > on the existing contents of www/en), and we can go from there. > > You might want to take a look at http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html, > and try trimming that down. One way to do it would be to split things > in two based on whether or not they're maintained by the project. > > So have a docs/index.html that offers the reader links to the two > files, and an 'internal.html' that lists the project maintained docs, > and an 'external.html' that lists the other stuff ('internal' and > 'external' are crap names, please, come up with better ones :-) ) > > I also wouldn't mind seeing a translation table that listed all the > docs, and an indication of whether or not they've been translated. . . > > en es fr ja ru zh > Handbook x x x > FAQ x x x x x x > FDP Primer x > Porter's Handbook x x > [...] > > This would be a separate page. This sounds good to me too. I can start throwing something together today (unless Mark is already on top of it -- and if you are, let me know so I duplicate efforts :-) - jim -- - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@luna.cdrom.com - - phone: 1.925.691.2800 x.3814 - fax: 1.925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - - editor - The FreeBSDzine - www.freebsdzine.org - jim@freebsdzine.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 15:31: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from luna.cdrom.com (luna.cdrom.com [204.216.28.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3123D37BD90; Wed, 24 May 2000 15:30:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@luna.cdrom.com) Received: by luna.cdrom.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 001FC31FB; Wed, 24 May 2000 15:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:30:58 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: Thomas Kovacs Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, nik@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Documentation dating Message-ID: <20000524153058.B29447@luna.cdrom.com> Reply-To: jim@luna.cdrom.com References: <000801bfc5d9$e84256a0$359dfed8@kovacs> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.2i In-Reply-To: <000801bfc5d9$e84256a0$359dfed8@kovacs>; from tom@thomaskovacs.com on Wed, May 24, 2000 at 04:43:44PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [I've Cc'd Nik Clayton on this so we can get his feedback and he doesn't have to wade through the other -docs messages to get to it.] On Wed, 24 May 2000 at 16:43:44 -0700, Thomas Kovacs wrote: > Hi there, Howdy, > First off I want to say the documentation you provide is EXCELLENT! I > have found it extremely helpful and am grateful for all the effort > contributors have put in to it. I'm pretty experienced with writing > documentation and when I get better experienced with FreeBSD, I would > eventually like to help with the documentation project. Thanks. I think I speak for all of us when I say that. > As a suggestion, would it be possible to put the 'last updated' date > on each document. I like to keep my collection of documents up to date > and spend quite a bit of time perusing over on-line pages to determine > whether I have an updated version or not. The only thing I see being a problem, is with the handbook, even though each ``chapter'' has multiple documents, they're really only in one SGML file (well, one for each chapter). Let me give you an example incase that doesn't make sense. In this case, I'll use the security chapter (http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/security.html). If you look at the URL above, you'll see something like this: 8. Security 8.1. Synopsis 8.2. Introduction 8.3. Securing FreeBSD 8.4. DES, MD5, and Crypt 8.5. S/Key 8.6. Kerberos 8.7. Firewalls 8.8. OpenSSL 8.9. IPsec Even though there are 9 sections to that chapter, there is only one file that generates them: [jim@luna:~/handbook]$ ls security/ CVS chapter.sgml [jim@luna:~/handbook]$ I guess what I'm getting at is that I'm not sure we can do something like the other FreeBSD.org web pages (with a ``Last modified: '' sort of thing at the bottom) because of this. This is main reason why I've Cc'd Nik -- maybe he knows of a way to do it that I'm missing. All in all though, I think this is a decent idea and wouldn't mind seeing it implemented. - jim -- - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@luna.cdrom.com - - phone: 1.925.691.2800 x.3814 - fax: 1.925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - - editor - The FreeBSDzine - www.freebsdzine.org - jim@freebsdzine.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 15:32: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from luna.cdrom.com (luna.cdrom.com [204.216.28.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAAB637BD8E; Wed, 24 May 2000 15:32:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@luna.cdrom.com) Received: by luna.cdrom.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7793631FB; Wed, 24 May 2000 15:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:32:06 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: Nik Clayton Cc: Mark Ovens , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why no Master Index? Message-ID: <20000524153206.C29447@luna.cdrom.com> Reply-To: jim@FreeBSD.org References: <20000523194307.C233@parish> <20000524084850.A8565@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000524152144.A29447@luna.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.2i In-Reply-To: <20000524152144.A29447@luna.cdrom.com>; from jim@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, May 24, 2000 at 03:21:45PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 24 May 2000 at 15:21:45 -0700, Jim Mock wrote: [snip..] > > This would be a separate page. > > This sounds good to me too. I can start throwing something together > today (unless Mark is already on top of it -- and if you are, let me > know so I duplicate efforts :-) Err, this should be so I *don't* duplicate efforts. Some day my fingers will catch up with what my brain is trying to convey :-) - jim -- - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@luna.cdrom.com - - phone: 1.925.691.2800 x.3814 - fax: 1.925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - - editor - The FreeBSDzine - www.freebsdzine.org - jim@freebsdzine.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 15:40: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55EC37BD8E for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 15:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id PAA26509; Wed, 24 May 2000 15:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005242240.PAA26509@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Jim Mock Subject: Re: docs/18789: [PATCH] bad link in the handbook Reply-To: Jim Mock Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18789; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Jim Mock To: Mark Ovens Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/18789: [PATCH] bad link in the handbook Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:39:23 -0700 On Tue, 23 May 2000 at 19:00:21 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: [snip..] > >Description: > > The link to the Porters Handbook in the Ports section of the > handbook has an incomplete URL. It only points to the directory, > not index.html Going to http://www.FreeBSD.org/porters-handbook/ works fine for me -- were you having problems getting the index.html file to load (i.e., getting just a directory listing)? If there wasn't any problem, I'm going to close this PR -- the index.html tacked onto the end isn't really needed. - jim -- - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@luna.cdrom.com - - phone: 1.925.691.2800 x.3814 - fax: 1.925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - - editor - The FreeBSDzine - www.freebsdzine.org - jim@freebsdzine.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 16:32:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from luna.cdrom.com (luna.cdrom.com [204.216.28.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5FA37BAFA for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:32:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@luna.cdrom.com) Received: by luna.cdrom.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id ED1E431E9; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 16:32:56 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: Mark Ovens Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18789: [PATCH] bad link in the handbook Message-ID: <20000524163256.A460@luna.cdrom.com> Reply-To: jim@luna.cdrom.com References: <200005242240.PAA26509@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000525000150.I232@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.2i In-Reply-To: <20000525000150.I232@parish>; from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org on Thu, May 25, 2000 at 12:01:50AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 25 May 2000 at 00:01:50 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 03:40:01PM -0700, Jim Mock wrote: > > The following reply was made to PR docs/18789; it has been noted by GNATS. > > > > From: Jim Mock > > To: Mark Ovens > > Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: docs/18789: [PATCH] bad link in the handbook > > Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:39:23 -0700 > > > > On Tue, 23 May 2000 at 19:00:21 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > > > > [snip..] > > > > > >Description: > > > > > > The link to the Porters Handbook in the Ports section of the > > > handbook has an incomplete URL. It only points to the directory, > > > not index.html > > > > Going to http://www.FreeBSD.org/porters-handbook/ works fine for me > > -- were you having problems getting the index.html file to load > > (i.e., getting just a directory listing)? If there wasn't any > > problem, I'm going to close this PR -- the index.html tacked onto > > the end isn't really needed. > > > > I just get a directory listing with my local docs, but links from the > FAQ to handbook work OK (they have /index.html on the end) so I was > just copying this. Do you have apache set up to use index.html as a default document locally? :-) - jim -- - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@luna.cdrom.com - - phone: 1.925.691.2800 x.3814 - fax: 1.925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - - editor - The FreeBSDzine - www.freebsdzine.org - jim@freebsdzine.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 16:49:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from luna.cdrom.com (luna.cdrom.com [204.216.28.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9FA37BD6D for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:49:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@luna.cdrom.com) Received: by luna.cdrom.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6DA3A31E9; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 16:49:45 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: Mark Ovens Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18789: [PATCH] bad link in the handbook Message-ID: <20000524164945.A717@luna.cdrom.com> Reply-To: jim@luna.cdrom.com References: <200005242240.PAA26509@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000525000150.I232@parish> <20000524163256.A460@luna.cdrom.com> <20000525004113.J232@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.2i In-Reply-To: <20000525004113.J232@parish>; from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org on Thu, May 25, 2000 at 12:41:13AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 25 May 2000 at 00:41:13 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 04:32:56PM -0700, Jim Mock wrote: > > On Thu, 25 May 2000 at 00:01:50 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: [snip..] > > > I just get a directory listing with my local docs, but links from > > > the FAQ to handbook work OK (they have /index.html on the end) so > > > I was just copying this. > > > > Do you have apache set up to use index.html as a default document > > locally? :-) > > > > No, I just use the URL > file:///usr/share/doc/en/books/handbook/index.html in Netscape. Ah ok, that's why :-) Netscape doesn't like if you leave off the index.html when browsing a file directly. - jim -- - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@luna.cdrom.com - - phone: 1.925.691.2800 x.3814 - fax: 1.925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - - editor - The FreeBSDzine - www.freebsdzine.org - jim@freebsdzine.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 16:51:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED22D37BD6D; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:51:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jim@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id QAA36897; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:51:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 16:51:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005242351.QAA36897@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org, jim@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18789 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [PATCH] bad link in the handbook State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jim State-Changed-When: Wed May 24 16:50:16 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: This was happening because the submitter was browsing the directory tree using Netscape's ``open file'' option, which doesn't open index.html automagically if not specified. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 17: 8:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from oxygen.yy.ics.keio.ac.jp (oxygen.yy.ics.keio.ac.jp [131.113.47.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E743737BD6D; Wed, 24 May 2000 17:08:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sanpei@sanpei.org) Received: from lavender.yy.cs.keio.ac.jp (lavender.rad.cc.keio.ac.jp [131.113.16.115]) by oxygen.yy.ics.keio.ac.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W) with ESMTP id JAA01968; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:08:42 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from sanpei@sanpei.org) Received: (from sanpei@localhost) by lavender.yy.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) id JAA00659; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:08:48 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200005250008.JAA00659@lavender.yy.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: asmodai@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18177 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 24 May 2000 08:18:08 -0700 (PDT)" References: <200005241518.IAA71644@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.70 on Emacs 19.34.1 / Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:08:48 +0900 From: MIHIRA Sanpei Yoshiro Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Synopsis: [Patch] print message was wrong about PC-Card irq in sysinstall > >State-Changed-From-To: open->closed >State-Changed-By: asmodai >State-Changed-When: Wed May 24 08:13:00 PDT 2000 >State-Changed-Why: >Committed by jkoshy in rev 1.11 Thanks for your respond, but this change was not MFC-ed into 4-stable and 3-stable. I hope to fix this problem also in those stable branches. Thank you. --- MIHIRA Sanpei Yoshiro Yokohama, Japan. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 19:19:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp (waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.160]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE1237BBBF for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 19:19:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp) Received: from waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1) with ESMTP id e4P2JoK08791 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:19:51 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:19:49 +0900 Message-ID: <86vh03mkvu.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help? With DocBook + LPRng documentation In-Reply-To: In your message of "24 May 2000 00:54:12 GMT" <20000524012403.G42626@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200005232152.OAA18784@h4.private> <20000524012403.G42626@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/1.1.1 (Purple Rain) SEMI/1.13.7 (Awazu) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) MULE XEmacs/21.1 (patch 9) (Canyonlands) (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.13.7 - "Awazu") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 24 May 2000 00:54:12 GMT, Nik Clayton wrote: > I think we can solve the second problem (that of sharing images) by > designating one language (probably English) as containing the master > images. We are using this scheme, so making English version to master images is fine. > This means that initially, the Japanese document will build with an English > illustration. However, IMHO, a Japanese document with an English > illustration is better than no Japanese document at all. I think English sentence in images will be short. It is also useful containing English version. # Of course, Japanese version is better. About including images, what about including multi-format images in repository? Drawing and modifying images are not so often, but building documentation set is daily :-) work. If we don't care making repository little big and some format translation cost of committers, I think this will work fine. If some (SVG?) standard format is more famous and much of toolchain is there, we start thinking to switch building scheme. Thought? -- Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. // FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 21:50: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from phnxpop4.phnx.uswest.net (phnxpop4.phnx.uswest.net [206.80.192.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C36BC37B66E for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kedavis@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 3291 invoked by alias); 25 May 2000 04:50:02 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 3259 invoked by uid 0); 25 May 2000 04:50:02 -0000 Received: from idslppp211.phnx.uswest.net (HELO system) (63.225.220.211) by phnxpop4.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 25 May 2000 04:50:02 -0000 Message-ID: <037a01bfc603$8133cb40$0200000a@system> From: "Kerry Davis" To: Subject: Tape backups? Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:41:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would like to know where I can find listings of supported tape-backup devices. I found this information quite easily regarding OpenBSD, but I don't see any listings of supported hardware, peripherals, and other devices anywhere on freebsd.org. In particular, I know that OpenBSD doesn't support any floppy-drive-interface tape backup units, as backup devices. Does FreeBSD have the same limitation? Specifically, I have an Iomega Ditto Easy 3200 tape backup unit that I would like to be able to use in a simple file server box that I would be installing FreeBSD on. Thank you for your help. Kerry Davis Phoenix, AZ kedavis@uswest.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 22:20: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F086637B5D2 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 22:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id WAA68344; Wed, 24 May 2000 22:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id 135F337B69B; Wed, 24 May 2000 22:16:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20000525051653.135F337B69B@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:16:53 -0700 (PDT) From: drew0054@tc.umn.edu To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/18802: crusty natd man pages Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18802 >Category: docs >Synopsis: crusty natd man pages >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed May 24 22:20:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Zachary K Drew >Release: 4.0-20000430-STABLE >Organization: >Environment: n/a >Description: The natd man pages should include a recommendation to use the -unregistered_only flag when using natd to do internet connection sharing. Its not obvious to a large number of people that their natd box could be used to launch an attack with out their knowledge. The opportunity to use this might seem rather rare, but as more and more people use natd on cable, dsl, and university dorm connections this become a greater problem. Also, the instructions in the man page to set up natd could use some updating. >How-To-Repeat: man natd >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 22:55: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from u2.netgate.net (u2.netgate.net [204.145.147.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0333537B637 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 22:55:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fishy@u2.netgate.net) Received: from localhost (fishy@localhost) by u2.netgate.net (8.8.5/8.8.8-KB.072299) with ESMTP id WAA08888; Wed, 24 May 2000 22:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:54:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Nick Sanders To: Kerry Davis Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tape backups? In-Reply-To: <037a01bfc603$8133cb40$0200000a@system> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Look at chapter two, section three of the handbook (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install-hw.html) The line you are probably interested in: With all supported SCSI controllers, full support is provided for SCSI-I and SCSI-II peripherals, including hard disks, optical disks, tape drives (including DAT and 8mm Exabyte), medium changers, processor target devices, and CDROM drives. - Nick On Wed, 24 May 2000, Kerry Davis wrote: > I would like to know where I can find listings of supported tape-backup > devices. I found this information quite easily regarding OpenBSD, but I > don't see any listings of supported hardware, peripherals, and other devices > anywhere on freebsd.org. > > In particular, I know that OpenBSD doesn't support any > floppy-drive-interface tape backup units, as backup devices. Does FreeBSD > have the same limitation? Specifically, I have an Iomega Ditto Easy 3200 > tape backup unit that I would like to be able to use in a simple file server > box that I would be installing FreeBSD on. > > Thank you for your help. > > > Kerry Davis > Phoenix, AZ > > kedavis@uswest.net > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 23:26:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E61D37B706 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 23:26:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [62.7.0.45] (helo=parish.my.domain) by neodymium with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12upv0-0001I9-00; Thu, 25 May 2000 06:10:50 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA00415; Thu, 25 May 2000 06:10:43 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 06:10:43 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Kerry Davis Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tape backups? Message-ID: <20000525061043.A236@parish> References: <037a01bfc603$8133cb40$0200000a@system> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <037a01bfc603$8133cb40$0200000a@system>; from kedavis@uswest.net on Wed, May 24, 2000 at 09:41:33PM -0700 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 09:41:33PM -0700, Kerry Davis wrote: > I would like to know where I can find listings of supported tape-backup > devices. I found this information quite easily regarding OpenBSD, but I > don't see any listings of supported hardware, peripherals, and other devices > anywhere on freebsd.org. > > In particular, I know that OpenBSD doesn't support any > floppy-drive-interface tape backup units, as backup devices. Does FreeBSD > have the same limitation? Specifically, I have an Iomega Ditto Easy 3200 > tape backup unit that I would like to be able to use in a simple file server > box that I would be installing FreeBSD on. > http://www.uk.freebsd.org/releases/4.0R/notes.html Substitute 4.0 with the FreeBSD version you have. HTH > Thank you for your help. > > > Kerry Davis > Phoenix, AZ > > kedavis@uswest.net > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- ...and on the eighth day God created UNIX ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 23:35:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2818337BDE1 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 23:35:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [62.7.87.240] (helo=parish.my.domain) by ruthenium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12ukZx-0000j7-00; Thu, 25 May 2000 00:28:45 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05420; Thu, 25 May 2000 00:28:39 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:01:50 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Jim Mock Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18789: [PATCH] bad link in the handbook Message-ID: <20000525000150.I232@parish> References: <200005242240.PAA26509@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200005242240.PAA26509@freefall.freebsd.org>; from jim@luna.cdrom.com on Wed, May 24, 2000 at 03:40:01PM -0700 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 03:40:01PM -0700, Jim Mock wrote: > The following reply was made to PR docs/18789; it has been noted by GNATS. > > From: Jim Mock > To: Mark Ovens > Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: docs/18789: [PATCH] bad link in the handbook > Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:39:23 -0700 > > On Tue, 23 May 2000 at 19:00:21 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > > [snip..] > > > >Description: > > > > The link to the Porters Handbook in the Ports section of the > > handbook has an incomplete URL. It only points to the directory, > > not index.html > > Going to http://www.FreeBSD.org/porters-handbook/ works fine for me > -- were you having problems getting the index.html file to load > (i.e., getting just a directory listing)? If there wasn't any > problem, I'm going to close this PR -- the index.html tacked onto > the end isn't really needed. > I just get a directory listing with my local docs, but links from the FAQ to handbook work OK (they have /index.html on the end) so I was just copying this. > - jim > > -- > - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@luna.cdrom.com - > - phone: 1.925.691.2800 x.3814 - fax: 1.925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - > - editor - The FreeBSDzine - www.freebsdzine.org - jim@freebsdzine.org - > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- ...and on the eighth day God created UNIX ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 23:46:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com (praseodumium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1511B37BDE2; Wed, 24 May 2000 23:46:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [195.99.49.186] (helo=parish.my.domain) by ruthenium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12ueoT-0004GS-00; Wed, 24 May 2000 18:19:21 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01324; Wed, 24 May 2000 18:18:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:18:59 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Mike Pritchard Cc: Nicola Vitale , doc@freebsd.org, sheldonh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about mdoc formatting Message-ID: <20000524181859.B232@parish> References: <20000523093303.A11021@mppsystems.com> <20000524084547.A16277@mppsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000524084547.A16277@mppsystems.com>; from mpp@mppsystems.com on Wed, May 24, 2000 at 08:45:47AM -0500 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 08:45:47AM -0500, Mike Pritchard wrote: > On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 03:11:46PM +0200, Nicola Vitale wrote: > > > > > [Mark Ovens, 21/05/00] > > > > > How do you force a newline in mdoc? > > > > [Nicola Vitale, 23/05/00] > > > > .br > > > [Mike Pritchard, 23/05/00] > > > No, don't use *roff formatting directives directly within -mdoc > > > style man pages. > > > > I didn't know. :-( > > No big deal. Better that you asked for advice first, right? > > > Relaunching: > > > > .It Ev DEF_BUILDER_DIR > > If set, is used as the path of the build directory instead of > > .Pa /usr/src/sys/compile > > It can be overriden by the > > .Bk -words > > Fl d Ar destdir > > .Ek > > option. > > > > Is it an effective solution? > > Ooooh....this is only somewhat documented (it is in mdoc.samples, but > not mdoc(7) (Sheldon, wanna tackle this one? If not, I will). > > I've never actually seen those macros used anywhere, so I'm not > sure if they work :-(. > They do. Thanks. > >From the documentation, .Bk/.Ek sound like what you want. If they > don't work for you, why don't you send me the mdoc source of the man > page you are working on? Then I'll take a look and see if I can figure > out a work-around? > > -Mike > -- > Mike Pritchard > mpp@FreeBSD.org or mpp@mppsystems.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- ...and on the eighth day God created UNIX ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 24 23:56:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6558F37B583 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 23:56:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [213.1.141.24] (helo=parish.my.domain) by gadolinium with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12uk9q-0006fM-00; Thu, 25 May 2000 00:01:47 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05269; Thu, 25 May 2000 00:01:51 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:01:50 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Jim Mock Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18789: [PATCH] bad link in the handbook Message-ID: <20000525000150.I232@parish> References: <200005242240.PAA26509@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200005242240.PAA26509@freefall.freebsd.org>; from jim@luna.cdrom.com on Wed, May 24, 2000 at 03:40:01PM -0700 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 03:40:01PM -0700, Jim Mock wrote: > The following reply was made to PR docs/18789; it has been noted by GNATS. > > From: Jim Mock > To: Mark Ovens > Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: docs/18789: [PATCH] bad link in the handbook > Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:39:23 -0700 > > On Tue, 23 May 2000 at 19:00:21 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > > [snip..] > > > >Description: > > > > The link to the Porters Handbook in the Ports section of the > > handbook has an incomplete URL. It only points to the directory, > > not index.html > > Going to http://www.FreeBSD.org/porters-handbook/ works fine for me > -- were you having problems getting the index.html file to load > (i.e., getting just a directory listing)? If there wasn't any > problem, I'm going to close this PR -- the index.html tacked onto > the end isn't really needed. > I just get a directory listing with my local docs, but links from the FAQ to handbook work OK (they have /index.html on the end) so I was just copying this. > - jim > > -- > - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@luna.cdrom.com - > - phone: 1.925.691.2800 x.3814 - fax: 1.925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - > - editor - The FreeBSDzine - www.freebsdzine.org - jim@freebsdzine.org - > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- ...and on the eighth day God created UNIX ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 25 0:19: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.capax.se (server2.capax.se [194.213.84.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F9B237B9F1 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 00:19:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hs@capax.se) Received: by mail.capax.se(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id C12568EA.00288CEC ; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:22:55 +0200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CAPAX_SW From: "Henrik Stolpe" To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:22:51 +0200 Subject: Adaptec 2940UW and BSD 2.2.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We are running Free BSD 2.2.2 with Adaptec 2940UW SCSI cards. We are experiencing problems when the systems are working under increased load and sometimes even under normal load. Have anyone else experienced the same problem? Please mail me to: hs@capax.se Best Regards Henrik Stolpe CAPAX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 25 0:42:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.ops.uunet.co.za (axl.ops.uunet.co.za [196.31.2.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F45737BDE1 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 00:42:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.ops.uunet.co.za) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.ops.uunet.co.za) by axl.ops.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12usFY-00078a-00; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:40:12 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Mark Ovens Cc: Mike Pritchard , Nicola Vitale , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about mdoc formatting In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 24 May 2000 18:18:59 +0100." <20000524181859.B232@parish> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:40:12 +0200 Message-ID: <27439.959240412@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 24 May 2000 18:18:59 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > > > .Bk -words > > > Fl d Ar destdir > > > .Ek > > I've never actually seen those macros used anywhere, so I'm not > > sure if they work :-(. > They do. Thanks. You can see a lot of examples of their use in the NetBSD manual pages. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 25 1:24:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF3A37B5E3; Thu, 25 May 2000 01:24:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [213.1.141.24] (helo=parish.my.domain) by tantalum with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12ukAp-0001aw-00; Thu, 25 May 2000 00:02:47 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05301; Thu, 25 May 2000 00:02:51 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:38:29 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Jim Mock Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why no Master Index? Message-ID: <20000524233829.H232@parish> References: <20000523194307.C233@parish> <20000524084850.A8565@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000524152144.A29447@luna.cdrom.com> <20000524153206.C29447@luna.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000524153206.C29447@luna.cdrom.com>; from jim@freebsd.org on Wed, May 24, 2000 at 03:32:06PM -0700 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 03:32:06PM -0700, Jim Mock wrote: > On Wed, 24 May 2000 at 15:21:45 -0700, Jim Mock wrote: > [snip..] > > > > This would be a separate page. > > > > This sounds good to me too. I can start throwing something together > > today (unless Mark is already on top of it -- and if you are, let me > > know so I duplicate efforts :-) > > Err, this should be so I *don't* duplicate efforts. Some day my fingers > will catch up with what my brain is trying to convey :-) > I've made a start already; FDP Primer, emacs, and a prayer :) > - jim > > -- > - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@luna.cdrom.com - > - phone: 1.925.691.2800 x.3814 - fax: 1.925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - > - editor - The FreeBSDzine - www.freebsdzine.org - jim@freebsdzine.org - > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- ...and on the eighth day God created UNIX ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 25 2:48:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com (praseodumium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB9537B57E for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 02:48:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [195.99.49.186] (helo=parish.my.domain) by ruthenium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12uenC-0003ur-00; Wed, 24 May 2000 18:18:02 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01308; Wed, 24 May 2000 18:17:57 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:17:57 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Alexey Zelkin Cc: Nicola Vitale , Mike Pritchard , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about mdoc formatting Message-ID: <20000524181757.A232@parish> References: <20000523093303.A11021@mppsystems.com> <20000524164133.A25594@ark.cris.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000524164133.A25594@ark.cris.net>; from phantom@cris.crimea.ua on Wed, May 24, 2000 at 04:41:33PM +0300 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 04:41:33PM +0300, Alexey Zelkin wrote: > hi, > > On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 03:11:46PM +0200, Nicola Vitale wrote: > > > Relaunching: > > > > .It Ev DEF_BUILDER_DIR > > If set, is used as the path of the build directory instead of > > .Pa /usr/src/sys/compile > > It can be overriden by the > > .Bk -words > > Fl d Ar destdir > > .Ek > > option. > > > > Is it an effective solution? > > Yes. It's also abosolutely *correct* mdoc solution. Except missing > period before "Fl". > Thanks! that did the trick :) I didn't see that about "keeps" in mdoc.samples(7) because I was searching for words like "newline" and "break". > -- > /* Alexey Zelkin && phantom@cris.net */ > /* Tavric National University && phantom@crimea.edu */ > /* http://www.ccssu.crimea.ua/~phantom && phantom@FreeBSD.org */ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- ...and on the eighth day God created UNIX ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 25 2:50:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9862237B57E; Thu, 25 May 2000 02:50:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [213.1.141.24] (helo=parish.my.domain) by gadolinium with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12uizS-0005Aa-00; Wed, 24 May 2000 22:46:59 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04909; Wed, 24 May 2000 22:47:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:37:35 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why no Master Index? Message-ID: <20000524223735.F232@parish> References: <20000523194307.C233@parish> <20000524084850.A8565@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000524084850.A8565@kilt.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Wed, May 24, 2000 at 08:48:50AM +0000 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 08:48:50AM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 07:43:07PM +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > > Is there a reason why there is no Master Index/TOC for the FreeBSD > > docs? > > This > < much time. > > This > < many things to do. > Tell me about it! > :-) > > > IMHO it would make sense to have a single point of entry into > > the documentation set. The handbook and FAQ are the high profile docs > > but the rest, especially the articles, are somewhat hidden from view > > being referenced from the handbook and FAQ and pointed to people in > > replies to questions. > > Couldn't agree more. > > [snip] > > Your example looked good. Do you want to turn that in to HTML (based on > the existing contents of www/en), and we can go from there. > OK, I'll give it a shot. > You might want to take a look at http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html, and > try trimming that down. One way to do it would be to split things in two > based on whether or not they're maintained by the project. > > So have a docs/index.html that offers the reader links to the two files, > and an 'internal.html' that lists the project maintained docs, and an > 'external.html' that lists the other stuff ('internal' and 'external' are > crap names, please, come up with better ones :-) ) > Hmm, > I also wouldn't mind seeing a translation table that listed all the docs, > and an indication of whether or not they've been translated. . . > > en es fr ja ru zh > Handbook x x x > FAQ x x x x x x > FDP Primer x > Porter's Handbook x x > [...] > > This would be a separate page. > OK > > As Nik has just suggested having the docs as a package to be installed > > by sysinstall it would seem sensible to have something like this. In > > fact I would go so far as to suggest that sysinstall automatically > > installed a browser with the docs index as it's Home Page. Having the > > docs "in your face" doesn't seem to be inappropriate for new users. > > Ye-es. > Although Neil Blakey-Milner pointed me to PR docs/14165 which you folowed-up to by suggesting it be closed. > Go through the archives and you'll find an effort by Andrew Boothman to > create a process that would create and maintain an HTML index of all the > documentation installed by ports/packages on a particular system (subject > line was "Automatic documentation index"). Since I want to start > encouraging people to treat our docs in exactly the same way we should > (IMHO) leverage that work. Then sysinstall doesn't have to do anything > new. > Yes, where's he got to? I did send him a couple of patches but haven't heard from him in ages. I'll e-mail him and see what's happening. If he's dropped the project then I *may* take it up, but I'll be learning perl at the same time, so don't expect too much ;) BTW, this thread may get a bit dis-jointed; I'm having problems with my ISP whereby my posts are taking >8 hours to show up on the lists, but not to get to anyone else (you'll probably get this straight away, but it won't show on -doc 'til tomorrow). > N > -- > Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. > Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, > hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. > Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. > -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery -- ...and on the eighth day God created UNIX ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 25 3: 0: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B048137B60E for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 03:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id DAA32721; Thu, 25 May 2000 03:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id 357D637BDF2; Thu, 25 May 2000 02:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20000525095139.357D637BDF2@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 02:51:39 -0700 (PDT) From: ota@mail.drexel.edu To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/18805: typo in reboot.2 and revoke.2 of Release 3.4 manual Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18805 >Category: docs >Synopsis: typo in reboot.2 and revoke.2 of Release 3.4 manual >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu May 25 03:00:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Yoshihiro Ota >Release: 3.2 release >Organization: jp-man project >Environment: FreeBSD moon.advok.com 3.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE #5: Thu May 25 10:37:24 EDT 2000 root@moon.advok.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/moon i386 >Description: typo in reboot.2 and revoke.2 of Release 3.4 manual See the patch. >How-To-Repeat: man 2 reboot man 2 revoke >Fix: --- reboot.2.orig Thu May 25 05:41:45 2000 +++ reboot.2 Thu May 25 05:42:23 2000 @@ -84,7 +84,7 @@ This option should be used with caution. .It Dv RB_POWEROFF After halting, the shutdown code will do what it can to turn -of the power. This requires hardware support. +off the power. This requires hardware support. .It Dv RB_INITNAME An option allowing the specification of an init program (see .Xr init 8 ) --- revoke.2.orig Thu May 25 05:41:52 2000 +++ revoke.2 Thu May 25 05:45:32 2000 @@ -81,7 +81,7 @@ A component of the path prefix is not a directory. .It Bq Er ENAMETOOLONG A component of a pathname exceeded 255 characters, -or an entire path name exceeded 1024 characters. +or an entire path name exceeded 1023 characters. .It Bq Er ENOENT The named file or a component of the path name does not exist. .It Bq Er EACCES >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 25 3:40: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2927D37BE07 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 03:40:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id DAA49645; Thu, 25 May 2000 03:40:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9116637BE07 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 03:38:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkoshy@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jkoshy@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id DAA49485; Thu, 25 May 2000 03:38:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkoshy@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <200005251038.DAA49485@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 03:38:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Reply-To: jkoshy@FreeBSD.org To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18807: No documentation for source upgrades Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18807 >Category: docs >Synopsis: No documentation for source upgrades >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu May 25 03:40:03 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Joseph Koshy >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: FreeBSD Project >Environment: FreeBSD 3.-STABLE >Description: We do not publish instructions for -STABLE users to update their systems to the next -STABLE release via a source upgrade. "/usr/src/UPDATING" is not for -stable consumption. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 25 3:46:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D2C37B55C; Thu, 25 May 2000 03:46:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkoshy@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jkoshy@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id DAA52048; Thu, 25 May 2000 03:46:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkoshy@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 03:46:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200005251046.DAA52048@freefall.freebsd.org> To: alex@wnm.net, jkoshy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18683 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Insufficient detail in /usr/src/UPDATING instructions State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jkoshy State-Changed-When: Thu May 25 03:43:19 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: "/usr/src/UPDATING" is meant to be a reminder for -current developers only; it is not suitable for use as a guideline for doing a source upgrade between two -stable branches. We need documentation for people wanting to upgrade via source from one -stable branch to another. A separate PR (docs/18807) has been filed so that we don't forget :). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 25 4:45:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E9F37BE63 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 04:45:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [213.1.141.24] (helo=parish.my.domain) by ruthenium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12ujnF-0004Gl-00; Wed, 24 May 2000 23:38:25 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05136; Wed, 24 May 2000 23:38:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:38:29 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Jim Mock Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why no Master Index? Message-ID: <20000524233829.H232@parish> References: <20000523194307.C233@parish> <20000524084850.A8565@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000524152144.A29447@luna.cdrom.com> <20000524153206.C29447@luna.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000524153206.C29447@luna.cdrom.com>; from jim@freebsd.org on Wed, May 24, 2000 at 03:32:06PM -0700 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 03:32:06PM -0700, Jim Mock wrote: > On Wed, 24 May 2000 at 15:21:45 -0700, Jim Mock wrote: > [snip..] > > > > This would be a separate page. > > > > This sounds good to me too. I can start throwing something together > > today (unless Mark is already on top of it -- and if you are, let me > > know so I duplicate efforts :-) > > Err, this should be so I *don't* duplicate efforts. Some day my fingers > will catch up with what my brain is trying to convey :-) > I've made a start already; FDP Primer, emacs, and a prayer :) > - jim > > -- > - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@luna.cdrom.com - > - phone: 1.925.691.2800 x.3814 - fax: 1.925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - > - editor - The FreeBSDzine - www.freebsdzine.org - jim@freebsdzine.org - > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- ...and on the eighth day God created UNIX ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 25 5:30:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp3.libero.it (smtp3.libero.it [193.70.192.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1D237BFF1 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 05:30:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nivit@libero.it) Received: from numeria.libero.it (151.29.198.159) by smtp3.libero.it; 25 May 2000 14:30:08 +0200 Received: from localhost (nivit@localhost) by numeria.libero.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00325; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:13:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nivit@libero.it) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:13:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Nicola Vitale To: Alexey Zelkin Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Question about mdoc formatting In-Reply-To: <20000524164133.A25594@ark.cris.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > [Alexey Zelkin, 24/05/00] > > .Bk -words > > Fl d Ar destdir > > .Ek > > option. > > > > Is it an effective solution? > > Yes. It's also abosolutely *correct* mdoc solution. Except missing > period before "Fl". Ops! A lapsus calami. -- Nicola Vitale nivit@libero.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 25 5:30:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp3.libero.it (smtp3.libero.it [193.70.192.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3A937BFF3; Thu, 25 May 2000 05:30:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nivit@libero.it) Received: from numeria.libero.it (151.29.198.159) by smtp3.libero.it; 25 May 2000 14:30:10 +0200 Received: from localhost (nivit@localhost) by numeria.libero.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00304; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:01:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nivit@libero.it) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:01:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Nicola Vitale To: Mike Pritchard Cc: doc@freebsd.org, sheldonh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about mdoc formatting Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > [Mike Pritchard, 24/05/00] > > > No, don't use *roff formatting directives directly within -mdoc > > > style man pages. > > I didn't know. :-( > > No big deal. Better that you asked for advice first, right? Yes, I'm agree. But it would have been a great deal better if in -mdoc documentation there was written directly: "Using troff internal codes along with -mdoc macros is deprecated, or still better forbidden.", with this last word blinking! :-) > > .Bk -words > > Fl d Ar destdir > > .Ek > > I've never actually seen those macros used anywhere, so I'm not > sure if they work :-(. Well, I checked make(1) and it is used there. > >From the documentation, .Bk/.Ek sound like what you want. If they > don't work for you, why don't you send me the mdoc source of the man > page you are working on? Then I'll take a look and see if I can figure > out a work-around? Are you asking to me or Mark Ovens? I suppose Mark. _My_ English doesn't let me to write any kind of documentation; I don't even know what I have exactly written in this message! Indeed! :-) Ciao -- Nicola Vitale nivit@libero.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 25 8:40: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D8137C657 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 08:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA87015; Thu, 25 May 2000 08:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id EC96437C5B7; Thu, 25 May 2000 08:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20000525153427.EC96437C5B7@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:34:27 -0700 (PDT) From: jpmg@eng.cam.ac.uk To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/18810: Handbook 18.4.2 should refer to /etc/defaults/make.conf Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18810 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Handbook 18.4.2 should refer to /etc/defaults/make.conf >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu May 25 08:40:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Patrick Gosling >Release: 4.0-RELEASE >Organization: Department of Engineering, University of Cambridge >Environment: irrelevant >Description: The handbook, chapter 18.4.2 refers to /etc/make.conf as if it contains all the possible configuration options, whereas in fact for some time, the file /etc/defaults/make.conf has contained such information, and /etc/make.conf only contains over-rides. >How-To-Repeat: Read the handbook while trying to update your machine. Look at /etc/make.conf . Feel confused. 8-) >Fix: The first two paragraphs of 18.4.2 need rewriting. Something like -------snip-------- Examine the file /etc/make.conf , which contains the default defines for make which will be used when you rebuild your source. They are also used every time you use make, so it is a good idea to make sure they are set to something sensible for your system. To find out what you can usefully put in this file, look in /etc/defaults/make.conf . Everything in here is by default commented out. If you see something that looks useful, then copy it into /etc/make.conf and remove the comment character. For a typical user (not a FreeBSD developer), you will probably want to use the CFLAGS and NOPROFILE lines. ----------snip---------- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 25 8:55:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D302F37C6EA for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 08:55:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [62.7.87.240] (helo=parish.my.domain) by neodymium with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12uklv-0005Ia-00; Thu, 25 May 2000 00:41:08 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05512; Thu, 25 May 2000 00:41:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:41:13 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Jim Mock Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18789: [PATCH] bad link in the handbook Message-ID: <20000525004113.J232@parish> References: <200005242240.PAA26509@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000525000150.I232@parish> <20000524163256.A460@luna.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000524163256.A460@luna.cdrom.com>; from jim@luna.cdrom.com on Wed, May 24, 2000 at 04:32:56PM -0700 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 04:32:56PM -0700, Jim Mock wrote: > On Thu, 25 May 2000 at 00:01:50 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > > On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 03:40:01PM -0700, Jim Mock wrote: > > > The following reply was made to PR docs/18789; it has been noted by GNATS. > > > > > > From: Jim Mock > > > To: Mark Ovens > > > Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG > > > Subject: Re: docs/18789: [PATCH] bad link in the handbook > > > Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:39:23 -0700 > > > > > > On Tue, 23 May 2000 at 19:00:21 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > > > > > > [snip..] > > > > > > > >Description: > > > > > > > > The link to the Porters Handbook in the Ports section of the > > > > handbook has an incomplete URL. It only points to the directory, > > > > not index.html > > > > > > Going to http://www.FreeBSD.org/porters-handbook/ works fine for me > > > -- were you having problems getting the index.html file to load > > > (i.e., getting just a directory listing)? If there wasn't any > > > problem, I'm going to close this PR -- the index.html tacked onto > > > the end isn't really needed. > > > > > > > I just get a directory listing with my local docs, but links from the > > FAQ to handbook work OK (they have /index.html on the end) so I was > > just copying this. > > Do you have apache set up to use index.html as a default document > locally? :-) > No, I just use the URL file:///usr/share/doc/en/books/handbook/index.html in Netscape. > - jim > > -- > - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@luna.cdrom.com - > - phone: 1.925.691.2800 x.3814 - fax: 1.925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - > - editor - The FreeBSDzine - www.freebsdzine.org - jim@freebsdzine.org - > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- ...and on the eighth day God created UNIX ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 25 9: 0: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D2637C725 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA89200; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from news.uni-kl.de (news.uni-kl.de [131.246.137.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C42B837C4C9 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 08:50:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from naddy@unix-ag.uni-kl.de) Received: from sushi.unix-ag.uni-kl.de ( root@sushi.unix-ag.uni-kl.de [131.246.89.13] ) by news.uni-kl.de id aa12225 for ; 25 May 2000 17:50 MESZ Received: from gnocchi.unix-ag.uni-kl.de (gnocchi.unix-ag.uni-kl.de [131.246.89.12]) by sushi.unix-ag.uni-kl.de (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA09083 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:50:01 +0200 Received: (from naddy@localhost) by gnocchi.unix-ag.uni-kl.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA56255; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:50:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from naddy) Message-Id: <200005251550.RAA56255@gnocchi.unix-ag.uni-kl.de> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:50:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Christian Weisgerber Reply-To: naddy@unix-ag.uni-kl.de To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18811: Improve uac.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18811 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Improve uac.1 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu May 25 09:00:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Christian Weisgerber >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE alpha >Organization: Unix AG, Uni Kaiserslautern >Environment: alpha >Description: The accompanying patch to the uac.1 man page (src/usr.sbin/uac/uac.1) fixes - some wording, - English usage (somebody more qualified than I am should check this), - nroff end-of-sentence/line agreement. Somebody should decide whether the noun is "bootup", "boot-up", or "boot up" and unify usage throughout the tree. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- /usr/src/usr.bin/uac/uac.1 Thu Jan 27 10:00:51 2000 +++ uac.1 Thu May 25 17:46:22 2000 @@ -35,15 +35,17 @@ .Op Fl fprs .Sh DESCRIPTION .Nm -sets the per-process handling of "Unaligned Access" events. Unlike many -other CPU's the DEC Alpha processor cannot access unaligned data. To work -around this, the Alpha has the ability to fix the UA fault rather than send -the faulting process a +sets the per-process handling of +.Dq unaligned access +events. +Unlike many other CPUs the DEC Alpha processor cannot access unaligned data. +To work around this, the Alpha has the ability to fix the UA fault +rather than send the faulting process a .Dv SIGBUS signal. However, doing so does slow down the execution of the faulting process. -At boot up, the DEC Alpha CPU defaults to printing +At bootup, the DEC Alpha CPU defaults to printing .Bl -tag -width indent .It pid Ar nnn Pq Ar Ns Xo .No : unaligned access: Xo @@ -56,10 +58,10 @@ .Xc .Xc .El -when a UA happens along with fixing it so +when a UA happens, along with fixing it, so the faulting instruction can continue. UA handling settings are inherited by child process. -Issued with out any options, +Issued without any options, .Nm displays the current UA handling for the parent process. .Pp @@ -75,9 +77,8 @@ .It Fl s Unaligned access errors result in a .Dv SIGBUS -being delivered to the parent and -its future descendants. This aid in pin pointing the faulting access so it -debugged. +being delivered to the parent and its future descendants. +This aids in pinpointing the faulting access so it can be debugged. .El .Sh DIAGNOSTICS Exit status is 0 on success, and 1 if the command >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 25 9:27:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from net.idt-microsynergy.com (ip-64-63-14-130.reverse.mobilenetics.com [64.63.14.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0DF37C7DB; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:23:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from technews-request@idt-microsynergy.com) Received: from NewsServer (ip-64-63-14-136.reverse.mobilenetics.com [64.63.14.136]) by net.idt-microsynergy.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 561-34439U100L100S0) with SMTP id AAA123 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:28:02 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01bfc665$27c6cdc0$880e3f40@idt> From: news@idt-microsynergy.com (CD/DVD Technology News) To: Subject: DVD and CD Tech News 052500 Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:20:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFC62A.7AFB9F60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFC62A.7AFB9F60 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0008_01BFC62A.7B034080" ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01BFC62A.7B034080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 CD and DVD Technology Newsletter CD and DVD Duplication and Network Storage IT Information May 25th, 2000 Volume 2, Issue 12 www.idt-microsynergy.com=20 If you no longer wish to receive this newsletter click here or = send email from the subscribed account to remove@idt-microsynergy.com. =20 MicroSynergy Releases MultipliCD 3.0, the Best Software for the = Professional CD Mastering and Duplication Environment with the Ability = to Handle up to 12 Simultaneous Unique Jobs at the Same Time! 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CDs Over the Network

There are few phenomena in the PC industry over the past = ten years=20 that have shaped the nature of distributing and publishing content = more=20 than the CD-ROM. In 1997 sales of CD-ROM drives exceeded $5 = billion, with=20 about 75 million drive units worldwide. By 2001 total optical = drive=20 revenues are forecasted by Disk Trend Report to be $9.9 billion. = There are=20 a lot of reasons why CDs are a successful data storage media. They = are=20 inexpensive to produce, are high capacity, rugged, and have a long = shelf=20 life. CD-ROM drives are a universal desktop appliance, and have = come down=20 in price to the point where they can be incorporated into even the = least=20 expensive home PCs. But having a single copy of a CD on a desktop = PC for=20 personal use is a lot different than sharing it over the network,=20 available to many at the same time. Click Here to = Continue=20 Story....

DVD Technology=20 Review

Fifteen Flavors = of=20 DVD
by Dana Parker - EMedia Magazine

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Harness more power and functionality from your MicroSynergy = Duplication System with the new MultipliCD Version 3 Professional = Duplication and Mastering Software. MultipliCD 3 is built on a powerful = rock solid ultra efficient engine with true independent multithreading = for ultimate data stability. Now MultipliCD can do even more than = before! Click Here for more!.... MICROSYNERGY ANNOUNCED TODAY THAT THEY = ARE NOW SHIPPING THE INDUSTRY'S FIRST FULLY STANDALONE 16 DRIVE DVD-R = DUPLICATION SYSTEM! MicroSynergy is now shipping yet another product "first", the = industry's first sixteen drive DVD-R duplication system. At last, the = solution for gigabyte quantity data storage, duplication and information = distribution has been created. With MicroSynergy's duplication systems, = rapid mass content duplication and on-demand deployment to the field has = become easier than ever. Click Here for more!....=20 IT Advantage Spotlight =20 The Evolution in Technology for Sharing CDs Over the Network There are few phenomena in the PC industry over the past ten years = that have shaped the nature of distributing and publishing content more = than the CD-ROM. In 1997 sales of CD-ROM drives exceeded $5 billion, = with about 75 million drive units worldwide. By 2001 total optical drive = revenues are forecasted by Disk Trend Report to be $9.9 billion. There = are a lot of reasons why CDs are a successful data storage media. They = are inexpensive to produce, are high capacity, rugged, and have a long = shelf life. CD-ROM drives are a universal desktop appliance, and have = come down in price to the point where they can be incorporated into even = the least expensive home PCs. But having a single copy of a CD on a = desktop PC for personal use is a lot different than sharing it over the = network, available to many at the same time. Click Here to Continue = Story.... =20 DVD Technology Review =20 Fifteen Flavors of DVD by Dana Parker - EMedia Magazine May 12, 2000 | Keeping track of standards in the optical disc = industry is something that only appeals to a certain kind of person"the = same type of person, I would imagine, who enjoys memorizing and = categorizing the details of pre-Columbian pottery, the genera of = dinosaurs, or the spectral signatures of exoplanets. In the CD world, = all the obscure variations on the red, yellow, green, white, orange, and = blue books are sufficient to sate any pedant, even as they frustrate and = bore the layman. DVD was supposed to change all that. The idea, often expressed in = the early development stages of the DVD format family, was to correct or = avoid the "mistakes' of CD. While this might be good news for the casual = users of DVD, and for developers, it didn't bode well for the lovers of = arcana or for standards columnists. The more complex and nonsensical it = gets, the better I like it. If DVD had in fact turned out to make = understanding optical disc formats easy, I'd have been forced to turn to = writing about something slightly more inscrutable, like, say, the human = genome. Click Here to Continue Story.... =20 MicroSynergy Is Your Single Source For CD and DVD Technology = Solutions. Call us at (888) 877-6777 or (949) 477-1700 or on the web at = www.idt-microsynergy.com. CD/DVD Duplicators, CD/DVD Network Servers =20 If you no longer wish to receive this newsletter click here or = send email from the subscribed account to remove@idt-microsynergy.com.=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01BFC62A.7B034080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

CD and DVD Technology=20 Newsletter
CD and = DVD=20 Duplication and Network Storage IT Information
May 25th, 2000 Volume 2, Issue = 12
www.idt-microsynergy.com

If you no longer = wish to receive=20 this newsletter click here or send email = from=20 the subscribed account to=20 remove@idt-microsynergy.com.

MicroSynergy Releases MultipliCD 3.0, the Best = Software for=20 the Professional CD Mastering and Duplication Environment with the = Ability=20 to Handle up to 12 Simultaneous Unique Jobs at the Same = Time!
Harness more = power and=20 functionality from your = MicroSynergy Duplication System with the new = MultipliCD=20 Version 3 Professional Duplication and Mastering Software. = MultipliCD 3 is=20 built on a powerful rock solid ultra efficient engine with true=20 independent multithreading for ultimate data stability. Now = MultipliCD can=20 do even more than before! Click = Here for=20 more!....		 MICROSYNERGY ANNOUNCED TODAY THAT THEY ARE NOW = SHIPPING THE=20 INDUSTRY'S FIRST FULLY STANDALONE 16 = DRIVE=20 DVD-R DUPLICATION SYSTEM!
MicroSynergy is now shipping yet another product "first", = the=20 industry's first sixteen drive DVD-R duplication system. At last, = the=20 solution for gigabyte quantity data storage, duplication and = information=20 distribution has been created. With MicroSynergy's duplication = systems,=20 rapid mass content duplication and on-demand deployment to the = field has=20 become easier than ever. Click Here = for=20 more!....

IT Advantage=20 Spotlight

The Evolution = in Technology=20 for Sharing
CDs Over the Network

There are few phenomena in the PC industry over the past = ten years=20 that have shaped the nature of distributing and publishing content = more=20 than the CD-ROM. In 1997 sales of CD-ROM drives exceeded $5 = billion, with=20 about 75 million drive units worldwide. By 2001 total optical = drive=20 revenues are forecasted by Disk Trend Report to be $9.9 billion. = There are=20 a lot of reasons why CDs are a successful data storage media. They = are=20 inexpensive to produce, are high capacity, rugged, and have a long = shelf=20 life. CD-ROM drives are a universal desktop appliance, and have = come down=20 in price to the point where they can be incorporated into even the = least=20 expensive home PCs. But having a single copy of a CD on a desktop = PC for=20 personal use is a lot different than sharing it over the network,=20 available to many at the same time. Click Here to = Continue=20 Story....

DVD Technology=20 Review

Fifteen Flavors = of=20 DVD
by Dana Parker - EMedia Magazine

May 12, 2000 | Keeping track of standards in the optical = disc=20 industry is something that only appeals to a certain kind of = person“the=20 same type of person, I would imagine, who enjoys memorizing and=20 categorizing the details of pre-Columbian pottery, the genera of=20 dinosaurs, or the spectral signatures of exoplanets. In the CD = world, all=20 the obscure variations on the red, yellow, green, white, orange, = and blue=20 books are sufficient to sate any pedant, even as they frustrate = and bore=20 the layman.

DVD was supposed to change all that. The idea, often expressed = in the=20 early development stages of the DVD format family, was to correct = or avoid=20 the ”mistakes’ of CD. While this might be good news = for the casual users=20 of DVD, and for developers, it didn't bode well for the lovers of = arcana=20 or for standards columnists. The more complex and nonsensical it = gets, the=20 better I like it. If DVD had in fact turned out to make = understanding=20 optical disc formats easy, I'd have been forced to turn to writing = about=20 something slightly more inscrutable, like, say, the human genome. = Click = Here=20 to Continue Story....

MicroSynergy Is Your Single = Source For CD=20 and DVD Technology Solutions. Call us at (888) 877-6777 or (949) = 477-1700=20 or on the web at www.idt-microsynergy.com. CD/DVD Duplicators, = CD/DVD=20 Network Servers

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20:05:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [213.1.145.33] (helo=parish.my.domain) by tantalum with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12v1Y0-0006DR-00; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:35:53 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00899; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:35:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:35:45 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Nicola Vitale Cc: Mike Pritchard , doc@freebsd.org, sheldonh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about mdoc formatting Message-ID: <20000525183544.A232@parish> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from nivit@libero.it on Thu, May 25, 2000 at 02:01:36PM +0200 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 25, 2000 at 02:01:36PM +0200, Nicola Vitale wrote: > > [Mike Pritchard, 24/05/00] > > > > No, don't use *roff formatting directives directly within -mdoc > > > > style man pages. > > > I didn't know. :-( > > > > No big deal. Better that you asked for advice first, right? > > Yes, I'm agree. But it would have been a great deal better > if in -mdoc documentation there was written directly: "Using > troff internal codes along with -mdoc macros is deprecated, > or still better forbidden.", with this last word blinking! :-) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ...and the -mdoc macro for that is? ;-) > > > > .Bk -words > > > Fl d Ar destdir > > > .Ek > > > > I've never actually seen those macros used anywhere, so I'm not > > sure if they work :-(. > > Well, I checked make(1) and it is used there. > > > >From the documentation, .Bk/.Ek sound like what you want. If they > > don't work for you, why don't you send me the mdoc source of the man > > page you are working on? Then I'll take a look and see if I can figure > > out a work-around? > > Are you asking to me or Mark Ovens? I suppose Mark. _My_ > English doesn't let me to write any kind of documentation; I > don't even know what I have exactly written in this message! > Indeed! :-) > > Ciao > -- > Nicola Vitale > nivit@libero.it > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- ...and on the eighth day God created UNIX ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 25 21:24:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp3.libero.it (smtp3.libero.it [193.70.192.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E9937B934; Thu, 25 May 2000 21:24:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nivit@libero.it) Received: from numeria.libero.it (151.29.192.1) by smtp3.libero.it; 26 May 2000 06:24:30 +0200 Received: from localhost (nivit@localhost) by numeria.libero.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA00473; Fri, 26 May 2000 06:06:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nivit@libero.it) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 06:06:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Nicola Vitale To: Mark Ovens Cc: Mike Pritchard , doc@freebsd.org, sheldonh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about mdoc formatting In-Reply-To: <20000525183544.A232@parish> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > [Mark Ovens, 25/05/00] > > Yes, I'm agree. But it would have been a great deal better > > if in -mdoc documentation there was written directly: "Using > > troff internal codes along with -mdoc macros is deprecated, > > or still better forbidden.", with this last word blinking! :-) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > ...and the -mdoc macro for that is? ;-) If you search (really) in mdoc.samples(7) the word "Extensions" you find only: "(See Extensions)". I fancy it is documented in this missing section. :-) Ciao. -- Nicola Vitale nivit@libero.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 25 21:51: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983A737B56C; Thu, 25 May 2000 21:51:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [213.1.145.33] (helo=parish.my.domain) by protactinium with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12v2Ak-0006PI-00; Thu, 25 May 2000 19:15:54 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01153; Thu, 25 May 2000 19:15:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:15:47 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why no Master Index? Message-ID: <20000525191547.B232@parish> References: <20000523194307.C233@parish> <20000524084850.A8565@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000524084850.A8565@kilt.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Wed, May 24, 2000 at 08:48:50AM +0000 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 08:48:50AM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 07:43:07PM +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > > Is there a reason why there is no Master Index/TOC for the FreeBSD > > docs? > > This > < much time. > > This > < many things to do. > > :-) > > > IMHO it would make sense to have a single point of entry into > > the documentation set. The handbook and FAQ are the high profile docs > > but the rest, especially the articles, are somewhat hidden from view > > being referenced from the handbook and FAQ and pointed to people in > > replies to questions. > > Couldn't agree more. > > [snip] > > Your example looked good. Do you want to turn that in to HTML (based on > the existing contents of www/en), and we can go from there. > OK, ftp://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/pub/mark/doc_index/ for my first attempt. I've put both the HTML and the SGML I made it from (sgmlnorm -d example.sgml > example.html). The links assume it is in /usr/share/doc. > You might want to take a look at http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html, and > try trimming that down. One way to do it would be to split things in two > based on whether or not they're maintained by the project. > > So have a docs/index.html that offers the reader links to the two files, > and an 'internal.html' that lists the project maintained docs, and an > 'external.html' that lists the other stuff ('internal' and 'external' are > crap names, please, come up with better ones :-) ) > > I also wouldn't mind seeing a translation table that listed all the docs, > and an indication of whether or not they've been translated. . . > > en es fr ja ru zh > Handbook x x x > FAQ x x x x x x > FDP Primer x > Porter's Handbook x x > [...] > I'm working on this now. BTW, I got some nl docs last time I cvsup'd. > This would be a separate page. > > > As Nik has just suggested having the docs as a package to be installed > > by sysinstall it would seem sensible to have something like this. In > > fact I would go so far as to suggest that sysinstall automatically > > installed a browser with the docs index as it's Home Page. Having the > > docs "in your face" doesn't seem to be inappropriate for new users. > > Ye-es. > > Go through the archives and you'll find an effort by Andrew Boothman to > create a process that would create and maintain an HTML index of all the > documentation installed by ports/packages on a particular system (subject > line was "Automatic documentation index"). Since I want to start > encouraging people to treat our docs in exactly the same way we should > (IMHO) leverage that work. Then sysinstall doesn't have to do anything > new. > > N > -- > Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. > Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, > hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. > Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. > -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery -- ...and on the eighth day God created UNIX ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 26 0: 6:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wp.cc.nc.us (sisko.se.wp.cc.nc.us [198.85.217.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8772537B839 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 00:06:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ahze@wp.cc.nc.us) Received: from sisko.se.wp.cc.nc.us (IDENT:ahze@sisko.se.wp.cc.nc.us [198.85.217.11]) by wp.cc.nc.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA17189 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 03:31:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 03:31:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Johnson X-Sender: ahze@sisko.se.wp.cc.nc.us To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Question about bsd4.4 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey , since FreeBSD is based on BSD4.4.. Does BSD update anymore ? And if it does.. say bsd4.5 came out tomorrow , would you base fbsd on bsd4.5? thanks Mike Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 26 1:20: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03DCC37B7D2 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 01:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id BAA98939; Fri, 26 May 2000 01:20:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from bulls.mei.co.jp (bulls.mei.co.jp [202.224.189.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EDF137B9C8 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 01:10:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from takamune@mariners.mei.co.jp) Received: by bulls.mei.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id RAA16814 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 17:10:41 +0900 (JST) Received: by mariners.mei.co.jp (8.9.1/3.7W) with ESMTP id RAA10692 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 17:10:41 +0900 (JST) Received: by dream.vrl.mei.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-11/29/99) id RAA40753; Fri, 26 May 2000 17:10:36 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200005260810.RAA40753@dream.vrl.mei.co.jp> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:10:36 +0900 (JST) From: takamune@avrl.mei.co.jp Reply-To: takamune@avrl.mei.co.jp To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18825: Typos in ntpd.8 and ntpdate.8 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18825 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Typos in ntpd.8 and ntpdate.8 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri May 26 01:20:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Kazu TAKAMUNE >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd. >Environment: .\" $FreeBSD: src/usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntpd.8,v 1.4 2000/02/10 13:15:47 sheldonh Exp $ .\" $FreeBSD: src/usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntpdate.8,v 1.1 2000/01/12 14:40:59 sheldonh Exp $ >Description: Slightly funny transcribing from HTML. >How-To-Repeat: % man 8 ntpd % man 8 ntpdate >Fix: Index: src/usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntpd.8 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntpd.8,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.4 ntpd.8 --- src/usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntpd.8 2000/02/10 13:15:47 1.4 +++ src/usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntpd.8 2000/05/26 08:00:00 @@ -163,7 +163,8 @@ can be examined with .Xr ntpdc 8 (mode 7 messages) and -.Xr ntpq 8 (mode 6 messages). +.Xr ntpq 8 +(mode 6 messages). Currently, very few variables can be modified via mode 6 messages. These variables are either created with the .Ic setvar Index: src/usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntpdate.8 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntpdate.8,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 ntpdate.8 --- src/usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntpdate.8 2000/01/12 14:40:59 1.1 +++ src/usr.sbin/ntp/doc/ntpdate.8 2000/05/26 08:00:00 @@ -183,7 +183,7 @@ This is designed primarily for convenience of .Xr cron 8 scripts. -.It Fl t timeout +.It Fl t Ar timeout Specify the maximum time waiting for a server response as the value .Ar timeout , >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 26 5:12:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.bart.nl (lucifer.bart.nl [194.158.168.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD9E37B6CF for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 05:12:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@lucifer.bart.nl) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by lucifer.bart.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27477; Fri, 26 May 2000 14:12:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:12:16 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: Michael Johnson Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Question about bsd4.4 Message-ID: <20000526141216.K25379@lucifer.bart.nl> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from ahze@wp.cc.nc.us on Fri, May 26, 2000 at 03:31:23AM -0400 Organisation: VIA Net.Works The Netherlands Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20000526 09:08], Michael Johnson (ahze@wp.cc.nc.us) wrote: >Hey , > since FreeBSD is based on BSD4.4.. Does BSD update anymore ? And >if it does.. say bsd4.5 came out tomorrow , would you base fbsd on bsd4.5? >thanks 4.4BSD was the last version. CSRG [the research group which worked on BSD] has since then been disbanded, so no. No more official BSD releases. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator VIA Net.Works The Netherlands BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl Your lunacy fits in neatly with my own, my very own... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 26 5:18: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.bart.nl (lucifer.bart.nl [194.158.168.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963C237B548; Fri, 26 May 2000 05:17:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@lucifer.bart.nl) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by lucifer.bart.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27545; Fri, 26 May 2000 14:16:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:16:24 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: Mark Ovens Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why no Master Index? Message-ID: <20000526141624.L25379@lucifer.bart.nl> References: <20000523194307.C233@parish> <20000524084850.A8565@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000525191547.B232@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000525191547.B232@parish>; from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org on Thu, May 25, 2000 at 07:15:47PM +0100 Organisation: VIA Net.Works The Netherlands Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20000526 06:52], Mark Ovens (mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) wrote: > >I'm working on this now. BTW, I got some nl docs last time I cvsup'd. Just the basic skeleton. But work is underway to translate the stuff, so you might keep it in mind. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator VIA Net.Works The Netherlands BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl In the dark backward and abysm of time... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 26 5:27:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ecore.net (mail.ecore.net [212.63.128.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1BF737B6C0 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 05:27:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@netneurotic.de) Received: from netneurotic.de [212.223.17.202] by mail.ecore.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AC8417E401E6; Fri, 26 May 2000 14:22:28 +0200 Message-ID: <392E6ED5.A14DC070@netneurotic.de> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:32:23 +0200 From: "Andrew J. Brehm" Reply-To: andrew@netneurotic.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: GIF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I understand you have no connection to the Free Software Foundation, and I also understand that the question whether to use GIF files or not is more of a political question than a technical one. But since FreeBSD is, as the name implies, free, and since software patents threaten the development of FreeBSD as much as that of GNU, wouldn't it be better not to support GIF and use PNG or JPEG instead? I was going to download some FreeBSD logos, but I could only find these "powered by..." logos, and all of them were GIFs. Thus I decided not to download them, because the idea of having a collection of logos of free software made of GIF files seemed to be rather weird to me. Greetings, Andrew Brehm. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 26 6: 4:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD72D37B8A2 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 06:04:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA71942; Fri, 26 May 2000 15:04:31 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:04:31 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: "Andrew J. Brehm" Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: GIF In-Reply-To: <392E6ED5.A14DC070@netneurotic.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 26 May 2000, Andrew J. Brehm wrote: > I understand you have no connection to the Free Software Foundation, and > I also understand that the question whether to use GIF files or not is > more of a political question than a technical one. > unlike fsf, the freebsd project holds no software patents, but that is a topic for another list. > But since FreeBSD is, as the name implies, free, and since software > patents threaten the development of FreeBSD as much as that of GNU, > wouldn't it be better not to support GIF and use PNG or JPEG instead? > The logos date from time when none of the major - or not so major - browsers supported png. jpeg really isn't the right format for such things. Thus, there was no practical choice. Software patents are a political issue - talk to the person representing in the parliament or the equvalent of that to get them outlawed in the place you live. > I was going to download some FreeBSD logos, but I could only find these > "powered by..." logos, and all of them were GIFs. Thus I decided not to > download them, because the idea of having a collection of logos of free > software made of GIF files seemed to be rather weird to me. > If I was you - and had such problems - I would have downloaded and then converted them to some other format. > Greetings, Andrew Brehm. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 26 7: 0:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3064137B767 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 07:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA00912; Fri, 26 May 2000 07:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDCCE37B5BE for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 06:53:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from magnesium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.34] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12vJtq-000LTg-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 May 2000 14:11:38 +0100 Received: (from ben) by magnesium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12vJtq-0004El-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 May 2000 14:11:38 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:11:38 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst Reply-To: ben@scientia.demon.co.uk To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18831: minor typo in porters-handbook, DESCR -> COMMENT Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18831 >Category: docs >Synopsis: minor typo in porters-handbook, DESCR -> COMMENT >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri May 26 07:00:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Ben Smithurst >Release: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: >Description: The porters-handbook says the default value for ${COMMENT} is ${PKGDIR}/DESCR. This doesn't seem quite right. :-) >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: cvs diff: Diffing . Index: book.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/porters-handbook/book.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.101 diff -u -r1.101 book.sgml --- book.sgml 2000/05/22 18:24:13 1.101 +++ book.sgml 2000/05/26 13:08:56 @@ -1933,7 +1933,7 @@ COMMENT - ${PKGDIR}/DESCR + ${PKGDIR}/COMMENT >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 26 7: 0:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3D437B89F for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 07:00:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA00924; Fri, 26 May 2000 07:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6158537B5BE for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 06:53:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from magnesium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.34] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12vKR5-000LUJ-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 May 2000 14:45:59 +0100 Received: (from ben) by magnesium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12vKR5-0004MD-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 May 2000 14:45:59 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:45:59 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst Reply-To: ben@scientia.demon.co.uk To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18832: Update list of CVS/CVSup tags in handbook/cutting-edge Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18832 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Update list of CVS/CVSup tags in handbook/cutting-edge >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri May 26 07:00:02 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Ben Smithurst >Release: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: >Description: Some of the lists of CVS/CVSup tags in the cutting-edge chapter of the Handbook list RELENG_3 as the latest stable branch, which is no longer true, and fail to list 4.0-RELEASE. The fix also updates some examples to use slightly newer branches than 2.2.X (though this isn't really important), and mentions that RELENG_2_2 is almost obsolete (in one place it said it did, so I changed the other place too). There's still a mention of ctm-src-2_2 or something which should probably be updated, but I don't know enough about CTM to know what to update it to. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Index: chapter.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/cutting-edge/chapter.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.45 diff -u -r1.45 chapter.sgml --- chapter.sgml 2000/05/22 18:13:12 1.45 +++ chapter.sgml 2000/05/26 13:40:10 @@ -542,11 +542,20 @@ + RELENG_4 + + + The line of development for FreeBSD-4.X, also known + as FreeBSD-STABLE. + + + + RELENG_3 The line of development for FreeBSD-3.X, also known - as FreeBSD-STABLE. + as 3-STABLE. @@ -567,6 +576,14 @@ + RELENG_4_0_0_RELEASE + + + FreeBSD-4.0. + + + + RELENG_3_4_0_RELEASE @@ -693,14 +710,14 @@ - Checking out the version of &man.ls.1; in the 2.2-STABLE + <title>Checking out the version of &man.ls.1; in the 3-STABLE branch: &prompt.user; setenv CVSROOT :pserver:anoncvs@anoncvs.FreeBSD.org:/home/ncvs &prompt.user; cvs login At the prompt, enter the password anoncvs. -&prompt.user; cvs co -rRELENG_2_2 ls +&prompt.user; cvs co -rRELENG_3 ls &prompt.user; cvs release -d ls &prompt.user; cvs logout @@ -713,7 +730,7 @@ &prompt.user; setenv CVSROOT :pserver:anoncvs@anoncvs.FreeBSD.org:/home/ncvs &prompt.user; cvs login At the prompt, enter the password anoncvs. -&prompt.user; cvs rdiff -u -rRELENG_2_2_2_RELEASE -rRELENG_2_2_6_RELEASE ls +&prompt.user; cvs rdiff -u -rRELENG_3_0_0_RELEASE -rRELENG_3_4_0_RELEASE ls &prompt.user; cvs logout @@ -1279,11 +1296,20 @@ + RELENG_4 + + + The line of development for FreeBSD-4.X, also + known as FreeBSD-STABLE. + + + + RELENG_3 The line of development for FreeBSD-3.X, also - known as FreeBSD-STABLE. + known as 3-STABLE. @@ -1292,7 +1318,8 @@ The line of development for FreeBSD-2.2.X, also - known as 2.2-STABLE. + known as 2.2-STABLE. This branch is mostly + obsolete. @@ -1302,6 +1329,14 @@ collection. + + RELENG_4_0_0_RELEASE + + + FreeBSD-4.0. + + + RELENG_3_4_0_RELEASE >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 26 10: 0:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066DB37BF08 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 10:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA21818; Fri, 26 May 2000 10:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id A229A37BE41; Fri, 26 May 2000 09:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20000526165641.A229A37BE41@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:56:41 -0700 (PDT) From: shirota@mbox.media.nagoya-u.ac.jp To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/18835: Typo (date format) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18835 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Typo (date format) >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri May 26 10:00:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: SHIROTA Yasuhiko >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT >Organization: Nagoya Univ. >Environment: FreeBSD pochi.kamihara.numata.gunma.jp 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #135: Sat May 27 01:00:57 JST 2000 shirota@localhost:/usr/local/SRC/sys/compile/POCHI i386 >Description: In src/UPDATING file, "2000510:" and "2000427:" are typo? They may be "20000510:","20000427:". >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 26 12:40: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from deptvass-bh.va.gov (deptvass-bh.va.gov [205.128.215.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5B637B6AE for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 12:40:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ROANE.CLINTON@COATESVILLE.VA.GOV) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by deptvass-bh.va.gov (8.8.8/8.6.11) id PAA07143 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 15:40:00 -0400 (EDT) From: ROANE.CLINTON@COATESVILLE.VA.GOV Received: from unknown(152.128.85.3) by deptvass-bh.va.gov via smap (4.1) id xma004671; Fri, 26 May 00 15:21:41 -0400 Subject: FreeBSD Handbook Help Date: 26 May 2000 15:24:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6735792@COATESVILLE.VA.GOV> Importance: high X-Priority: 1 To: freebsd-doc@FREEBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, My name is Clinton Roane and I would very much like to help out with the handbook. I am downloading FreeBSD as we speak. A Little History About Myself I have worked as a Assistant Systems Administrator for Vu/Text Information Services in Philadlephia using (back then) AT&T's 3B15's and 3B2 mainframe computers using AT&T's Unix. This is were my unix experience started. I have worked as a temproary Systems Technician and Help Desk person at Temple University and University of Penn (both part-time and volunteer). This was to increase my knowledge of computers and unix. I have worked as a Computer Operator and Microcomputer Services Coordinator for Palinet and Union Library. A small company in Philadelphia that used pc's, and macintosh computers where we trained on various software applications and on troubleshooting and repairing computers. I also implemented a unix training class using "Coherent" at the time which was an old Unix like operating system. Everyone in the office was anti unix but they let me implement this class. I have work on AT&T mainframes, IBM mainframes, all sorts of PC models and Macintosh computers. I currently have 5 systems at home. 1=Linux box (SuSE) 2=Windows NT box 3=Windows NT and SuSE dual Boot box 4=Macintosh PowerPC 8600/250 box 5=whatever OS I decide to install that day. No I am not a Unix Guru but do have installation experience with many plateforms. I have been out of the field for sometime now but stay abreast by reading and experimenting with my systmes at home. I have been doing this for many years. If I can help in anyway please let me know by emailing me. I have several email address but the 2 most important ones are listed below. roane0616@aol.com roane.clinton@coatesville.va.gov (work). Thank you, Clinton Roane To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 26 15:14: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from alchemy.oven.org (sh-adm2.ksl.co.il [199.203.25.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3CEC37B8A2 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 15:13:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roman@xpert.com) Received: from localhost (mapc@localhost) by alchemy.oven.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00706 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 01:16:44 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: alchemy.oven.org: mapc owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 01:16:44 +0300 (IDT) From: Roman Shterenzon X-Sender: mapc@alchemy.oven.org To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: handbook - info missing? Message-ID: Organization: Xpert UNIX Systems Ltd. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, In this file: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/lang-setup.html "Localizing FreeBSD to specific language" there are some directions given for localizing freebsd. One of which is adding keychange="61 ^[[K" to /etc/rc.conf However, it's not mentioned which keysequence will be then used for keychange. This information *was* in handbook before. It was in handbook as of 3.4-RELEASE. Please check it. --Roman Shterenzon, UNIX System Administrator and Consultant [ Xpert UNIX Systems Ltd., Herzlia, Israel. Tel: +972-9-9522361 ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 27 8:10: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BBE37B77C for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 08:10:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA98282; Sat, 27 May 2000 08:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from ns1.stcp.net (ns1.stcp.net [4.17.246.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A0C37B6D4 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 08:04:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevin@ns1.stcp.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by ns1.stcp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19943; Fri, 27 May 1994 10:08:59 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kevin) Message-Id: <199405271508.KAA19943@ns1.stcp.net> Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 10:08:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Kevin Reply-To: kevin@ns1.stcp.net To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18845: Mispelling in ypserv man page Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18845 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Mispelling in ypserv man page >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat May 27 08:10:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Kevin >Release: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 >Organization: Plutonium Internet Services >Environment: Planet earth >Description: Under SPECIAL FEATURES heading: To make up for this, the FreeBSD version of ypserv handles the master.passwd.byname and master.basswd.byuid maps in a special way. When s/master.basswd.byuid/master.passwd.byuid Nothing too important, since the user isnt't the one it. :P >How-To-Repeat: man ypserv >Fix: fix fix fix >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 27 13:11:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hampsted.demon.co.uk (hampsted.demon.co.uk [158.152.37.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDC637B9C4 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 13:11:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jnakouzi@hampsted.demon.co.uk) Received: from itcat.co.uk (jnakouzi@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hampsted.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id WAA00781 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 22:08:49 +0100 Message-ID: <39303960.D647C7E1@itcat.co.uk> Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 22:08:48 +0100 From: Jonathan Nakouzi Organization: ITCAT Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: doc revision date Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It would be useful for visitors to know when the page was last updated. e.g. hardware support page -- "Replies should be brief and interesting." Jonathan Nakouzi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 27 13:39: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from integrityonline7.com (mail.integrityonline7.com [209.234.155.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E0137B715 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 13:38:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rusty@iol7.com) Received: from iol7.com [216.126.181.173] by integrityonline7.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id A1F0638103F6; Sat, 27 May 2000 13:37:04 -0700 Message-ID: <3930323D.9E6C93B9@iol7.com> Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 13:38:25 -0700 From: Russell Reply-To: rusty@iol7.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Macintosh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How do I install freeBSD with a Macintosh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 27 14: 4:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pawn.primelocation.net (pawn.primelocation.net [205.161.238.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7437D37B8B6 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 14:04:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdf.lists@fxp.org) Received: by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix, from userid 1016) id E17A09B1F; Sat, 27 May 2000 17:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F4CBA21; Sat, 27 May 2000 17:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 17:04:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chris D. Faulhaber" X-Sender: cdf.lists@pawn.primelocation.net To: Russell Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Macintosh In-Reply-To: <3930323D.9E6C93B9@iol7.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 27 May 2000, Russell wrote: > How do I install freeBSD with a Macintosh > You don't. On a Mac, you would install NetBSD (http://www.NetBSD.org/) or OpenBSD (http://www.OpenBSD.org/) since they support m68k and ppc architectures. ----- Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 27 14:37:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sense-gold-134.oz.net (sense-gold-134.oz.net [216.39.162.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8454837BA22 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 14:37:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from al@sense-gold-134.oz.net) Received: (from al@localhost) by sense-gold-134.oz.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03293; Sat, 27 May 2000 14:37:48 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 14:37:48 -0700 From: al goldstein Message-Id: <200005272137.OAA03293@sense-gold-134.oz.net> To: doc@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-URL: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/hw-storage.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.8.3dev.8 Subject: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/hw-storage.html Cc: al@sense-gold-134.oz.net Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does Freebds4.0 support ide UDMA-66? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 27 14:42:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com (praseodumium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B851A37B784; Sat, 27 May 2000 14:42:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [62.7.76.243] (helo=parish.my.domain) by rhenium with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #16) id 12vjdp-0004qz-00; Sat, 27 May 2000 17:40:49 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01034; Sat, 27 May 2000 17:40:41 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 17:33:55 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why no Master Index? Message-ID: <20000527173355.B599@parish> References: <20000523194307.C233@parish> <20000524084850.A8565@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000525191547.B232@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000525191547.B232@parish>; from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org on Thu, May 25, 2000 at 07:15:47PM +0100 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 25, 2000 at 07:15:47PM +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 08:48:50AM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 07:43:07PM +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > > > Is there a reason why there is no Master Index/TOC for the FreeBSD > > > docs? > > [snip] > > Your example looked good. Do you want to turn that in to HTML (based on > > the existing contents of www/en), and we can go from there. > > > > OK, ftp://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/pub/mark/doc_index/ for my first > attempt. I've put both the HTML and the SGML I made it from > (sgmlnorm -d example.sgml > example.html). The links assume it is in > /usr/share/doc. > Nik, I've done some more work on this. The files are ftp://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/pub/mark/doc_index/*.{html,sgml}. If you put them in /usr/share/doc then all the links (should) work. I'd appreciate some feedback before I proceed much further, in case I'm heading down the wrong route. > > You might want to take a look at http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html, and > > try trimming that down. One way to do it would be to split things in two > > based on whether or not they're maintained by the project. > > > > So have a docs/index.html that offers the reader links to the two files, > > and an 'internal.html' that lists the project maintained docs, and an > > 'external.html' that lists the other stuff ('internal' and 'external' are > > crap names, please, come up with better ones :-) ) > > OK, I've used "native" and "related" in the samples. How do those sound? > > I also wouldn't mind seeing a translation table that listed all the docs, > > and an indication of whether or not they've been translated. . . > > > > en es fr ja ru zh > > Handbook x x x > > FAQ x x x x x x > > FDP Primer x > > Porter's Handbook x x > > [...] > > > Done. [snip] -- ...and on the eighth day God created UNIX ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 27 21: 0: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93AEB37B7BE for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 21:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id VAA59376; Sat, 27 May 2000 21:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from grey.cloud.rain.com (c1029014-a.bvrtn1.or.home.com [24.12.160.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D3437B7BE for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 20:52:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trost@cloud.rain.com) Received: (qmail 61203 invoked from network); 28 May 2000 03:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO virga.cloud.rain.com) (199.2.111.244) by relay.tc.jli.com with SMTP; 28 May 2000 03:52:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 1565 invoked by uid 236); 28 May 2000 03:52:29 -0000 Message-Id: <20000528035229.1564.qmail@virga.cloud.rain.com> Date: 28 May 2000 03:52:29 -0000 From: trost@cloud.rain.com Reply-To: trost@cloud.rain.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/18852: stf(4) is misleading (ie, wrong) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 18852 >Category: docs >Synopsis: stf(4) refers to non-existant stf pseudo-device >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat May 27 21:00:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Bill Trost >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-20000522-STABLE i386 >Organization: Trost Computing >Environment: n/a >Description: stf(4) man page says "pseudo-device stf". The inattentive can spend a surprising amount of time trying to find the non-existent device. (-: >How-To-Repeat: $ man 4 stf >Fix: Replace "pseudo-device stf" with "pseudo-device gif". >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 27 21:49:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com (praseodumium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C211637B8E6 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 21:49:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [62.7.59.234] (helo=parish.my.domain) by tantalum with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12vdBG-0004l0-00; Sat, 27 May 2000 10:46:54 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01027; Sat, 27 May 2000 10:46:43 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 10:46:43 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Jim Mock Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18789: [PATCH] bad link in the handbook Message-ID: <20000527104643.J233@parish> References: <200005242240.PAA26509@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000525000150.I232@parish> <20000524163256.A460@luna.cdrom.com> <20000525004113.J232@parish> <20000524164945.A717@luna.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000524164945.A717@luna.cdrom.com>; from jim@luna.cdrom.com on Wed, May 24, 2000 at 04:49:45PM -0700 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 04:49:45PM -0700, Jim Mock wrote: > On Thu, 25 May 2000 at 00:41:13 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > > On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 04:32:56PM -0700, Jim Mock wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 May 2000 at 00:01:50 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > > [snip..] > > > > > I just get a directory listing with my local docs, but links from > > > > the FAQ to handbook work OK (they have /index.html on the end) so > > > > I was just copying this. > > > > > > Do you have apache set up to use index.html as a default document > > > locally? :-) > > > > > > > No, I just use the URL > > file:///usr/share/doc/en/books/handbook/index.html in Netscape. > > Ah ok, that's why :-) Netscape doesn't like if you leave off the > index.html when browsing a file directly. > OK, thanks for the pointer. I've got apache set up with /usr/local/www/data as DocumentRoot (the default, IIRC). Now, to get to the docs, I've made a symlink from /usr/local/www/data/en to /usr/share/doc/en so that this main index I've put together, which assumes it's in /usr/share/doc (although I've put it in /usr/local/www/data) so all it's links are en/...., work. Is this the correct way to set it up? (The comments in httpd.conf state that symlinks may be used to point to other locations). > - jim > > -- > - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@luna.cdrom.com - > - phone: 1.925.691.2800 x.3814 - fax: 1.925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - > - editor - The FreeBSDzine - www.freebsdzine.org - jim@freebsdzine.org - > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- ...and on the eighth day God created UNIX ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message