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s. Some of the books (like the FDP Primer) are also tutorials, so we've gone to a distinction that's technical, rather than relying on people's perceptions. > Well, I started to reread the HTML version of docproj-primer online > from FreeBSD.org but my eyes began to hurt and I said to myself: "Why > don't you just get the post script version, send it to the printer and > stop causing pain to your already weak eyes, anymore?"... > > Now, I am somewhat frustrated, because I haven't been successful even > with that simple task. ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/* > I would be glad if someone could explain me > the "usual" way to get the tutorials. In the articles/ directory. > I would also like know, if it > is possible to get other formats than HTML and plain text out of the > DOC distribution using /stand/sysinstall. Not at the moment. We could add PS (or PDF) to the release build, however that then means that the release machine will also need a full (and up to date) copy of teTeX and all the other bits and pieces that are required. It would also considerably bloat the size of the doc distribution on CD, which is not great. However, note that the FTP directory above also contains the documentation in FreeBSD package format, so you can use the pkg_* commands to add them, update them, and so on. Also, you're probably looking at the index.html files, right? If you look at the {book,article}.html files you'll see the documentation in one big file. You can load this into Netscape (or whatever) and print it out, instead of needing to load in all the smaller files and print them one at a time. Does that help? N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 16 16: 0:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [206.79.44.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4C137BD34 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:59:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22517; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 02:18:18 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 02:18:18 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Darren Mutz Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <20000716021817.B22366@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200007050137.SAA24128@pompeii.jpl.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200007050137.SAA24128@pompeii.jpl.nasa.gov>; from mutz@aig.jpl.nasa.gov on Tue, Jul 04, 2000 at 06:37:04PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 04, 2000 at 06:37:04PM -0700, Darren Mutz wrote: > broken link to anchor > > on http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/mirrors-cvsup.html > > the link named "CVSup mirror sites" directs the browser to the current page, > and not the anchor further down the page as I think it should. Got it -- thanks for the heads up. I'm in the process of re-organising this stuff based heavily on work submitted by Eric Ogren. The ideas are his, the cock ups are mine. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 16 16: 0:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [206.79.44.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD02237BE11; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:59:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16297; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:45:19 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:45:19 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Ben Smithurst Cc: Nik Clayton , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FAQ addition Message-ID: <20000713234519.C11669@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <396A79E9.F3AD3D1@home.com> <20000713011414.B11472@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000713213435.M48641@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000713213435.M48641@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 09:34:35PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 09:34:35PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > I'm intending to add something like this, > > --- book.sgml 2000/07/11 21:36:22 1.70 > +++ book.sgml 2000/07/13 20:32:50 > @@ -8411,6 +8411,20 @@ > > > > +Why does top show very little free memory when I > +have very few programs running? > + > +The simple answer is that free memory is wasted memory. > +Any memory that your programs don't actively allocate is used > +within the FreeBSD kernel as disk cache. The values shown by > +top labelled as Inact, > +Cache, and Buf are all > +cached data at different aging levels. You actually want as little > +Free memory as possible. > + > + > + > + That's probably sufficiently detailed. However, please follow the formatting conventions described in the Primer (see the source for the primer or the handbook for examples). I know the bulk of the FAQ doesn't follow these conventions, but that's because we haven't done the work yet. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 16 16: 0:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [206.79.44.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50CC537BE82; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:59:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20512; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:12:14 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:12:14 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Ben Smithurst Cc: Nik Clayton , Greg Lehey , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: small update to handbook about debug kernels Message-ID: <20000715031214.B20004@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000711131846.L11000@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000712103922.A29642@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20000712145451.D11000@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000713010635.A11472@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000714142305.R48641@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000714142305.R48641@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Fri, Jul 14, 2000 at 02:23:05PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jul 14, 2000 at 02:23:05PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > Nik Clayton wrote: > > > Yes. But wrap it in "...". > > just to confirm, you mean all that text, like this: > > + > + If you are using FreeBSD 3 or earlier, you should make a stripped > + copy of the debug kernel, rather than installing the large debug > + kernel itself: Yeah. Add a Strip the debug kernel if you're feeling extravagant, but it's not mandatory. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 16 16: 0:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [206.79.44.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0B737BE4B; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:59:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20430; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:06:52 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:06:52 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Jesse W Scott Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Documentation Project Message-ID: <20000715030651.C20259@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <396A79E9.F3AD3D1@home.com> <20000713011414.B11472@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <396E5429.EF8D39D8@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <396E5429.EF8D39D8@home.com>; from Mathemajikian@home.com on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 06:43:37PM -0500 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jesse, I hope you don't mind -- I've added the doc list back on the distribution so that other people can see where they can help out. On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 06:43:37PM -0500, Jesse W Scott wrote: > Ok so I can pretty much write about anything I feel should be added such > as sound card config or samba networking which seems to have been left > out of the new book. Absolutely. You might want to consider whether what you're thinking of writing would fit best as a section in the Handbook or as a new book. For example, a small section that explains what Samba is, and how to install it and do basic configuration is probably best suited in the Handbook. However, an in-depth discussion of Samba, how the protocol works, how to tune FreeBSD systems running Samba, and so on, would be better off in a new book -- perhaps a "Fileserving with FreeBSD" book? Then we could have placeholders for extra sections, such as NFS and Appletalk for example, that others could fill in. Of course, you could also just take the Linux HOWTO and make it less Linux specific and more appropriate to BSD. > Who do I send it to once I have it completed? The -doc list, and any other people who you think would be able to provide you with useful feedback. For example, if you're writing about soundcards then the folks on the multimedia list would probably appreciate seeing it. > I think I could come up with a couple of chapters. I see all sorts of > things that I needed to know that were not in the new book. Great. Go for it. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 16 16: 0:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [206.79.44.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC36937BF2D; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:59:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20473; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:10:36 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:10:36 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: Ben Smithurst , Nik Clayton , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FAQ addition Message-ID: <20000715031036.A20004@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <396A79E9.F3AD3D1@home.com> <20000713011414.B11472@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000713213435.M48641@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000714102522.A61949@mithrandr.moria.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000714102522.A61949@mithrandr.moria.org>; from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org on Fri, Jul 14, 2000 at 10:25:22AM +0200 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jul 14, 2000 at 10:25:22AM +0200, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > Also instead of . My (limited) understanding is > when you're talking about a program or group of programs, it's > , and if you're talking about a somewhat specific command > (like "rm -rf /"), it's . You could just skip that, and use > &man.top.1; *grin*. > > Nik, can you give me a refresher? (: S'in the primer. N == 4.2.5.2. Applications, commands, options, and cites You will frequently want to refer to both applications and commands when writing for the Handbook. The distinction between them is simple: an application is the name for a suite (or possibly just 1) of programs that fulfil a particular task. A command is the name of a program that the user can run. In addition, you will occasionally need to list one or more of the options that a command might take. Finally, you will often want to list a command with its manual section number, in the ``command(number)'' format so common in Unix manuals. Mark up application names with . When you want to list a command with its manual section number (which should be most of the time) the DocBook element is . This will contain a further two elements, and . The content of is the name of the command, and the content of is the manual page section. This can be cumbersome to write, and so a series of general entities have been created to make this easier. Each entity takes the form &man.manual-page.manual-section;. The file that contains these entities is in doc/share/sgml/man-refs.ent, and can be referred to using this FPI: PUBLIC "-//FreeBSD//ENTITIES DocBook Manual Page Entities//EN" Therefore, the introduction to your documentation will probably look like this: %man; ... ]> Use when you want to include a command name ``in-line'' but present it as something the user should type in. Use +Why is my kernel so big (over 10MB)? + +Chances are, you compiled your kernel in debug +mode. Kernels built in debug mode contain many symbols that +are used for debugging, thus greatly increasing the size of the +kernel. Note that if you running a FreeBSD 3.0 or later system, there +will be little or no performance decrease from running a debug +kernel, and it is useful to keep one around in case of a system +panic. +However, if you are running low on disk space, or you simply +don't want to run a debug kernel, make sure that: + + You do not have a line in your kernel configuration file + that reads makeoptions DEBUG=-g, + and + + You are not running config with the + option. + + +Both of the above situations will cause your kernel to be built +in debug mode. As long as you make sure you follow the steps above, +you can build your kernel normally, and you should notice a fairly +large size decrease; most kernels tend to be around 1.5MB to 2MB. + + + Interrupt conflicts with multi-port serial code. Q. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 17 21:50: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44EAA37B9B3 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id VAA17274; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id 2AAC137B986; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20000718044200.2AAC137B986@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:42:00 -0700 (PDT) From: bonk1138@msn.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/19998: PicoBSD - Broken links in HTML Documentation Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 19998 >Category: docs >Synopsis: PicoBSD - Broken links in HTML Documentation >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Jul 17 21:50:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: James Johnson >Release: 5.0-CURRENT >Organization: n/a >Environment: FreeBSD freebsd 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #0: Sun Jul 16 19:12:47 GMT 2000 jsj@freebsd:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/freebsd2 i386 >Description: The two hyperlinks in /usr/src/release/picobsd/README.html point to invalid locations. >How-To-Repeat: Attempt to examine the two links in /usr/src/release/picobsd/README.html within a web browser (i.e. netscape) >Fix: bash-2.04# diff README.html README.html.new 10c10 <

Please start from here for general --- >

Please start from here for general 12c12 < here for detailed instructions on how to --- > here for detailed instructions on how to bash-2.04# >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 17 22:40: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB4C37B939 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id WAA29517; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id 5002E37B6B7; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20000718053524.5002E37B6B7@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:35:24 -0700 (PDT) From: bonk1138@msn.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/20002: PicoBSD - Markup Tags within Title Tag Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 20002 >Category: docs >Synopsis: PicoBSD - Markup Tags within Title Tag >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Jul 17 22:40:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: James Johnson >Release: 5.0-Current >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD freebsd 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #0: Sun Jul 16 19:12:47 GMT 2000 root@freebsd:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/freebsd2 i386 >Description: The title of how2build.html contains

markup tags. The exact title reads as (In Netscape 4.72 / IE 5.5) - PicoBSD Development Kit Patch supplied of course. >How-To-Repeat: Open /usr/src/release/picobsd/doc/src/how2build.html in Netscape 4.72 or Internet Explorer 5.5 >Fix: su-2.04# diff how2build.html how2build.html.new 4c4 < <center>PicoBSD Development Kit</center> --- > PicoBSD Development Kit su-2.04# >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 17 23:29:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from monica.et.bocholt.fh-gelsenkirchen.de (monica.et.bocholt.fh-gelsenkirchen.de [193.175.197.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6FF37BA3F for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:29:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hank@musashi.et.bocholt.fh-ge.de) Received: from musashi.et.bocholt.fh-ge.de (reserve.et.bocholt.fh-gelsenkirchen.de [193.175.197.95] (may be forged)) by monica.et.bocholt.fh-gelsenkirchen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA15561; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:29:23 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.et.bocholt.fh-ge.de [127.0.0.1]) by musashi.et.bocholt.fh-ge.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA53865; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:30:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hank@musashi.et.bocholt.fh-ge.de) Message-Id: <200007180630.IAA53865@musashi.et.bocholt.fh-ge.de> To: Eric Ogren Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why don't I get the tutorials with the DOC distribution? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:54:54 EDT." <20000717195454.A4226@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:30:01 +0200 From: Dirk GOUDERS Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I used the web interface to cvsup and had a look at > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/doc/en/tutorials/docproj-primer/. > > > > Seems as if everything there went into the attic and therefore I don't > > get any of the files using cvsup. Is that correct? > > Yes, because the docproj-primer is no longer located there. :) > > Look in $CVSROOT/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/fdp-primer (or if you're > looking for the compiled version, > /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1books/fdp-primer) Thanks a lot!!! Dirk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 1:39: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mout1.silyn-tek.de (mout1.silyn-tek.de [194.25.165.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5A537BC49; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 01:38:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from [192.168.32.33] (helo=mx1.silyn-tek.de) by mout1.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13ESu2-0004JW-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:38:58 +0200 Received: from p3e9c114a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([62.156.17.74] helo=neutron.cichlids.com) by mx1.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13ESu1-0001LL-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:38:58 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59C5AB5C; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:40:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2246614AA3; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:39:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:39:01 +0200 To: Ben Smithurst Cc: Nik Clayton , "Daniel C. Sobral" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, sheldonh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rc.d and rc.local Message-ID: <20000718103901.B9865@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <396F6607.6C764850@newsguy.com> <20000715031452.C20004@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000717214927.B4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000717214927.B4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.ORG on Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 09:49:27PM +0100 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. From: alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Ben Smithurst (ben@FreeBSD.ORG): > ok, here's my first attempt at this. It's probably a bit rough around > the edges, but it might provide a starting point. I like it, however, I'm sure, Sheldon find's some mdoc nits (Cc'd :) What about HISTORY? "The rc.d bla fubar appeared in .Fx fubar" ? Alex --=20 cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 1:57:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.ops.uunet.co.za (axl.ops.uunet.co.za [196.31.2.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 184E637BCB2; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 01:57:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.ops.uunet.co.za) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.ops.uunet.co.za) by axl.ops.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13ETBM-000C2n-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:56:52 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer) Cc: Ben Smithurst , Nik Clayton , "Daniel C. Sobral" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rc.d and rc.local In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:39:01 +0200." <20000718103901.B9865@cichlids.cichlids.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:56:52 +0200 Message-ID: <46300.963910612@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:39:01 +0200, Alexander Langer wrote: > > ok, here's my first attempt at this. It's probably a bit rough around > > the edges, but it might provide a starting point. > > I like it, however, I'm sure, Sheldon find's some mdoc nits (Cc'd :) :-) Actually, the only thing I noticed was that the Os macro was populated when it should be clear. I still think that this should be documented in rc(8) and not with its own manual page, but since someone's already built the shed, I'm not going to bitch about the colour. :-) Ciao, Shelodn. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 2: 0: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mout2.silyn-tek.de (mout2.silyn-tek.de [194.25.165.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5766C37B6DC; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:00:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from [192.168.32.33] (helo=mx1.silyn-tek.de) by mout2.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13ETER-000320-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:00:03 +0200 Received: from p3e9c114a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([62.156.17.74] helo=neutron.cichlids.com) by mx1.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13ETEM-0001Zq-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:59:58 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AB57AB91; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:01:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0C55D14AA3; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:00:04 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:00:03 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Ben Smithurst , Nik Clayton , "Daniel C. Sobral" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rc.d and rc.local Message-ID: <20000718110003.A16324@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <20000718103901.B9865@cichlids.cichlids.com> <46300.963910612@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <46300.963910612@axl.ops.uunet.co.za>; from sheldonh@uunet.co.za on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 10:56:52AM +0200 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Sheldon Hearn (sheldonh@uunet.co.za): > Actually, the only thing I noticed was that the Os macro was populated > when it should be clear. Ok, then this should be fixed... > I still think that this should be documented in rc(8) and not with its > own manual page, but since someone's already built the shed, I'm not > going to bitch about the colour. :-) ... and then imported to the correct place. (RELENG_4, too) Alex -- cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 4:41:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from turing.mathematik.uni-ulm.de (turing.mathematik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A2E1A37B7F4 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:41:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuebart@mathematik.uni-ulm.de) Received: by turing.mathematik.uni-ulm.de (5.x/UniUlm-2.0m) id AA16553; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:41:48 +0200 Message-Id: <20000718134148.A16350@mathematik.uni-ulm.de> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:41:48 +0200 From: Joachim Kuebart To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Mail address changed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I discovered my name is listed in the "Additional contributors" section of the handbook without an e-mail address. This is probably because my first e-mail address was taken from me by my ISP (d'oh). My current and (hopefully) more durable address is kuebart@mathematik.uni-ulm.de Just FYI, cu Jo --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.i iQCVAgUBOXRCevSagO4mzXrBAQE3dAQAsPE1prYaCTIvhHH7po8min8Ta7qDj8i/ 1+mTbjFBt0Sc/pCxblM9xDwidkFqListFMuW8Dj8isNi0yZNtzWrtYblFqMdmyHF CVsIoo6G5dGL3ohOWNH1gmD7Bp3jfwitMqL+kxr9fUNFQMS6y9qTBifFpIVcVksJ KFZvJgR26oM= =JMIo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 4:49: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mout2.silyn-tek.de (mout2.silyn-tek.de [194.25.165.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6153D37B8D4 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:48:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from [192.168.32.33] (helo=mx1.silyn-tek.de) by mout2.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13EVru-0003c6-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:48:58 +0200 Received: from p3e9c114a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([62.156.17.74] helo=neutron.cichlids.com) by mx1.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13EVrt-0003eC-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:48:58 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF34AB91; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:50:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3002114AA3; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:48:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:48:48 +0200 To: Joachim Kuebart Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mail address changed Message-ID: <20000718134848.A11697@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <20000718134148.A16350@mathematik.uni-ulm.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000718134148.A16350@mathematik.uni-ulm.de>; from kuebart@mathematik.uni-ulm.de on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 01:41:48PM +0200 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. From: alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Also sprach Joachim Kuebart (kuebart@mathematik.uni-ulm.de): > kuebart@mathematik.uni-ulm.de changed, thanks! :) Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 5:49:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C4D37BDA2; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 05:49:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EWKn-000Cm1-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:18:49 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EWKn-0008fU-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:18:49 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:18:49 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Alexander Langer Cc: Nik Clayton , "Daniel C. Sobral" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, sheldonh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rc.d and rc.local Message-ID: <20000718131849.L4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <396F6607.6C764850@newsguy.com> <20000715031452.C20004@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000717214927.B4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718103901.B9865@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uMPAU7A2Er6+wvsD" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000718103901.B9865@cichlids.cichlids.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --uMPAU7A2Er6+wvsD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alexander Langer wrote: > Thus spake Ben Smithurst (ben@FreeBSD.ORG): >=20 >> ok, here's my first attempt at this. It's probably a bit rough around >> the edges, but it might provide a starting point. >=20 > I like it, however, I'm sure, Sheldon find's some mdoc nits (Cc'd :) > > What about HISTORY? "The rc.d bla fubar appeared in .Fx fubar" ? Yes, I meant to ask about that... =2ESh HISTORY The =2ENm system first appeared in its current form =2EPo with scripts run at both boot time and shutdown time =2EPc in =2EFx 5.0 , though it has existed in a more basic form since =2EFx 2.2 . This is what I got from the RCS logs of src/etc/rc, but if anyone knows better... Also, the .Nd line was shamelessly stolen from rc(8), which should probably be fixed. I don't really like the SYNOPSIS either, but rc(8) does the same sort of thing. --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --uMPAU7A2Er6+wvsD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: Fql6pb/NM6fpuSqR/SUmWy8+zoeRaLUM iQCVAwUBOXRLJysPVtiZOS99AQGrWAP/Y9fzM+eyYtuArwDpLdU/4OicG5EK9EeP IsvindRivmSUz3pxN/EtRX0ARhNiTBgJldtE5pFQbgxlA0dnEKPyTbM6QbnJ5xGW 8H5I/zgprnzPLXg0T/rQAVxgxXH7d/bI97wkufh26QXFS9xT+b4ev/vQO90cw4Ky g4UAdL9dda8= =93YW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uMPAU7A2Er6+wvsD-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 5:50: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E969837BE06 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 05:50:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id FAA88127; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 05:50:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 05:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007181250.FAA88127@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst Subject: Re: docs/19997: [PATCH] Addition of info about debug kernels to the FAQ Reply-To: Ben Smithurst Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/19997; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst To: eogren@earthlink.net Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/19997: [PATCH] Addition of info about debug kernels to the FAQ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:42:50 +0100 eogren@earthlink.net wrote: > I seem to remember this being batted around -doc a couple of days ago by > somebody else (Ben Smithurst maybe?), but I deleted all of that email, and > I can't see any other entries having to do with debug kernels in the FAQ, > so... Ah... I was talking about a similar thing, for the handbook. Perhaps that's what you were thinking of. Having this in the FAQ could be useful... > > +Why is my kernel so big (over 10MB)? > + > +Chances are, you compiled your kernel in debug > +mode. Kernels built in debug mode contain many symbols that > +are used for debugging, thus greatly increasing the size of the > +kernel. Note that if you running a FreeBSD 3.0 or later system, there > +will be little or no performance decrease from running a debug > +kernel, and it is useful to keep one around in case of a system > +panic. > +However, if you are running low on disk space, or you simply > +don't want to run a debug kernel, make sure that: > + > + You do not have a line in your kernel configuration file > + that reads makeoptions DEBUG=-g, > + and > + > + You are not running config with the > + option. > + > + > +Both of the above situations will cause your kernel to be built > +in debug mode. As long as you make sure you follow the steps above, > +you can build your kernel normally, and you should notice a fairly > +large size decrease; most kernels tend to be around 1.5MB to 2MB. > + Two minor points: 1. Generally, two spaces are used after a fullstop in documentation. I'm not sure how important this is. 2. Indentation. As Nik told me, new questions should be indented correctly, even though the rest of the FAQ isn't. Indentation rules are described in the FDP primer. For the FAQ, you need 6 spaces before the (check at the top of the FAQ -- this is because of the number of outer tags, not some specific rule for the FAQ) and then follow the normal rules. If you don't have 6 spaces before the at the end you've gone wrong somewhere. The actual text looks good though. There's a couple of other things I'm putting in there soon. ("Why do I have so little free memory" and "Why have I got -RC instead of -STABLE" gives the general idea.) -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 5:56:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr2.ruhr.de [141.39.224.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 204E337BDA2 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 05:56:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 37322 invoked by alias); 18 Jul 2000 12:57:51 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA49854; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:54:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ue) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:54:15 +0200 From: Udo Erdelhoff To: Kent Stewart Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Make install error in fdp-primer Message-ID: <20000718145414.I32297@nathan.ruhr.de> References: <3973C061.32A63613@urx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <3973C061.32A63613@urx.com>; from kstewart@urx.com on Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 07:26:41PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 07:26:41PM -0700, Kent Stewart wrote: > I can do a make from /usr/doc now but an install dies in fdp-primer. The only reason why you're able to do a make is the presence of some old files. Try to do a make clean; make all and you'll see what I'm talking about. The bug that saves you at the moment is the lack of decent dependecies. The build process should build compressed versions of the html files. Right now, it doesn't know to build them. The old versions are still around and are accpepted because the Makefiles don't know that foo.html.gz must be rebuilt if foo.html is newer than foo.html.gz. That's one of the reasons why I'm using my own build environment for single articles. It's defininig its own set of suffix rules. In other words, I have implicit dependencies: files that need to be rebuild will be rebuild and files that don't need to rebuild won't be rebuild. As It Should Be(TM). On the other hand, I'm only generating the .html and .html.gz files at the moment. Expanding the suffix rules to cover all the over formats will be a pain in the butt. Expanding them to cover the book case will be really interesting (i.e., an even bigger pain in the butt). > I couldn't find where this is occuring but the png's are in > imagelib/callouts and that isn't were the make file is trying to > install them from. That's easy: cd /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/fdp-primer ln -s imagelib/callouts . mkdir /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/fdp-primer/callouts and restart your make install. /s/Udo -- Getting a SCSI chain working is perfectly simple if you remember that there must be exactly three terminations: one on one end of the cable, one on the far end, and the goat, terminated over the SCSI chain with a silver-handled knife whilst burning *black* candles. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 5:59: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mout1.silyn-tek.de (mout1.silyn-tek.de [194.25.165.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3BF737B672; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 05:58:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from [192.168.32.34] (helo=mx2.silyn-tek.de) by mout1.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13EWxd-00059E-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:58:57 +0200 Received: from p3e9c114a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([62.156.17.74] helo=neutron.cichlids.com) by mx2.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13EWxY-00016D-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:58:53 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60731AB91; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:00:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id ADA5E14A67; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:58:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:58:50 +0200 To: Ben Smithurst Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/19997: [PATCH] Addition of info about debug kernels to the FAQ Message-ID: <20000718145850.A18498@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <200007181250.FAA88127@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200007181250.FAA88127@freefall.freebsd.org>; from ben@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 05:50:06AM -0700 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. From: alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Ben Smithurst (ben@FreeBSD.ORG): > 2. Indentation. As Nik told me, new questions should be indented Can't emacs help here? Alex -- cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 6: 4:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8A837BDB0; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:04:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EWsz-000CrR-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:54:09 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EWsz-000DcA-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:54:09 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:54:09 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Alexander Langer Cc: Sheldon Hearn , Nik Clayton , "Daniel C. Sobral" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rc.d and rc.local Message-ID: <20000718135409.N4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20000718103901.B9865@cichlids.cichlids.com> <46300.963910612@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> <20000718110003.A16324@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2/+Vq7w28QOSGzSM" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000718110003.A16324@cichlids.cichlids.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --2/+Vq7w28QOSGzSM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alexander Langer wrote: > Thus spake Sheldon Hearn (sheldonh@uunet.co.za): >=20 >> Actually, the only thing I noticed was that the Os macro was populated >> when it should be clear. >=20 > Ok, then this should be fixed... easy enough. >> I still think that this should be documented in rc(8) and not with its >> own manual page, but since someone's already built the shed, I'm not >> going to bitch about the colour. :-) Well, I could probably stick it into rc(8), since I almost agree. I'll think about it. > ... and then imported to the correct place. (RELENG_4, too) Hum. That will mean changing it a bit, since RELENG_4 currently doesn't do the `foo.sh stop' at shutdown unless I'm mistaken... Not much of a problem though. I'll also add rc.d(8) to rc(8)'s SEE ALSO section. --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --2/+Vq7w28QOSGzSM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: 4mBSxPzepzKk8lwZHLIbQMOGOSzCpCzq iQCVAwUBOXRTcCsPVtiZOS99AQF81gP/ZJi30uEl0vaMUlW4ApdCBHkQSBukk79N dcn4dhK2f2j0dDN5fyJIkaRn/3ySDNUFqT44QRdmLqtc4Q1Qs5Gr8Nep1fcKxiTk fVazHN+E1sbJEpLyQSkLQ43pzHk7V0qq4TYBzsSyVnBBxvr9jFX63i/Owum2VMs1 oyuRBZG7juE= =eiNr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2/+Vq7w28QOSGzSM-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 6: 4:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B4C37B5D4 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:04:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EWxW-000Crb-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:58:50 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EWxW-000FBB-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:58:50 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:58:50 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Kent Stewart Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Make install error in fdp-primer Message-ID: <20000718135850.O4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <3973C061.32A63613@urx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1LW0Rr0Uq98qh6Rv" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <3973C061.32A63613@urx.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --1LW0Rr0Uq98qh6Rv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kent Stewart wrote: > .ISO_8859-1/books/fdp-primer > install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 callouts/1.png > /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO_8859 > -1/books/fdp-primer/callouts > install: callouts/1.png: No such file or directory > *** Error code 71 >=20 > I couldn't find where this is occuring but the png's are in > imagelib/callouts and that isn't were the make file is trying to > install them from. Try this patch in /usr/doc/share/mk: --- doc.docbook.mk~ Tue Jul 18 13:46:11 2000 +++ doc.docbook.mk Tue Jul 18 13:47:25 2000 @@ -328,7 +328,7 @@ (cd ${DESTDIR}; sh ${.OBJDIR}/${DOC}.ln); \ fi .for _curimage in ${LIB_IMAGES} - ${INSTALL_DOCS} ${_curimage} ${DESTDIR}/${_curimage:H} + ${INSTALL_DOCS} ${LIB_IMAGES_DIR}/${_curimage} ${DESTDIR}/${_curima= ge:H} .endfor .for _compressext in ${KNOWN_COMPRESS} install-${_cf}.tar.${_compressext}: ${DOC}.${_cf}.tar.${_compressext} @@ -340,7 +340,7 @@ @[ -d ${DESTDIR} ] || mkdir -p ${DESTDIR} ${INSTALL_DOCS} ${.ALLSRC} ${DESTDIR} .for _curimage in ${LIB_IMAGES} - ${INSTALL_DOCS} ${_curimage} ${DESTDIR}/${_curimage:H} + ${INSTALL_DOCS} ${LIB_IMAGES_DIR}/${_curimage} ${DESTDIR}/${_curima= ge:H} .endfor .else install-${_cf}: ${DOC}.${_cf} That's cut-n-pasted, so spaces may be screwed up. Apply it with 'patch -l'. Even with that the image links in the FDP primer are broken, but it installs. I probably shouldn't commit this, since Nik will probably have a better fix soon. The images are still broken though. (Show as b0rken images in Netscape.) --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --1LW0Rr0Uq98qh6Rv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: jEKAR3lMEeD3DYAsE8g6U3nzgTG0vULB iQCVAwUBOXRUiisPVtiZOS99AQGG1QP6AqZn+9CLz++kVmpWQEqwfxu92AUNJtdD y/ze1nJwUS1mY2kDBzYDY5Qq4mbHw7MfGULhMKZOtbtxfs7LIvGDB/AYhravbND1 uouTQc2XdChvkcIh4CJ1fuEIb6jsbEiHrR/s6E3Pthw3Hzp/SuBpObpOGR1wiE2H 25Xu4CcwVmY= =79S8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1LW0Rr0Uq98qh6Rv-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 6: 5:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C2137BDBC for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:05:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EX3t-000Cv0-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:05:25 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EX3t-000IyT-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:05:25 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:05:25 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Alexander Langer Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/19997: [PATCH] Addition of info about debug kernels to the FAQ Message-ID: <20000718140525.P4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <200007181250.FAA88127@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000718145850.A18498@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="QVgWX4+QEldMe/r9" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000718145850.A18498@cichlids.cichlids.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --QVgWX4+QEldMe/r9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alexander Langer wrote: > Thus spake Ben Smithurst (ben@FreeBSD.ORG): >=20 >> 2. Indentation. As Nik told me, new questions should be indented >=20 > Can't emacs help here? ben@magnesium:~$ echo $EDITOR /usr/local/bin/vim I don't really care. :-> --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --QVgWX4+QEldMe/r9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: Ruy2GVRFrSS+QdI6gSFuAxEICIjCycAH iQCVAwUBOXRWFSsPVtiZOS99AQF6wAP/WEhwPW4k9oW0HtdlO/doCRnfrYS/n/0U Tsal6VDukxelswwo5s//we1I67rB91z77+8yVGdqqaLe8yVfPU0Uc4juJhYeIRgs bQZdzzVBzO3F4faSuq1IQDN6qic+Ghkr4ZfjUA7TKaf/CIZqH84eEhW+GRttE4/Y c7Ny2B9nRc0= =RxDJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --QVgWX4+QEldMe/r9-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 6: 8:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.ops.uunet.co.za (axl.ops.uunet.co.za [196.31.2.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96CA37BDA2; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:08:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.ops.uunet.co.za) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.ops.uunet.co.za) by axl.ops.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EX6T-000CsI-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:08:05 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Ben Smithurst Cc: Alexander Langer , Nik Clayton , "Daniel C. Sobral" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: rc.d and rc.local In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:18:49 +0100." <20000718131849.L4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:08:05 +0200 Message-ID: <49493.963925685@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:18:49 +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > .Sh HISTORY > The > .Nm > system first appeared in its current form > .Po > with scripts run at both boot time and shutdown time > .Pc > in > .Fx 5.0 , > though it has existed in a more basic form since > .Fx 2.2 . Make that Fx 4.0 instead of Fx 5.0, since this'll definitely be merged into 4.x at some stage. Also, you can drop the "has" in "has existed". > Also, the .Nd line was shamelessly stolen from rc(8), which should > probably be fixed. I don't really like the SYNOPSIS either, but rc(8) > does the same sort of thing. More evidence that this should be part of the rc(8) manual page. :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 6:10:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFF637BDE4; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:10:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from alex@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id GAA91138; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:10:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:10:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007181310.GAA91138@freefall.freebsd.org> To: bsdx@looksharp.net, alex@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/19982: LINT from -stable is innacurate re softupdate license Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: LINT from -stable is innacurate re softupdate license State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: alex State-Changed-When: Tue Jul 18 06:10:31 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Changed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19982 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 6:40:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5B137BD5A for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id GAA09477; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007181340.GAA09477@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Eric Ogren Subject: Re: docs/19997: [PATCH] Addition of info about debug kernels to the FAQ Reply-To: Eric Ogren Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/19997; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Eric Ogren To: Ben Smithurst Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/19997: [PATCH] Addition of info about debug kernels to the FAQ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:33:16 -0400 On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 01:42:50PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > eogren@earthlink.net wrote: > > > I seem to remember this being batted around -doc a couple of days ago by > > somebody else (Ben Smithurst maybe?), but I deleted all of that email, and > > I can't see any other entries having to do with debug kernels in the FAQ, > > so... > > Ah... I was talking about a similar thing, for the handbook. Perhaps > that's what you were thinking of. Having this in the FAQ could be > useful... > Yup, that was it. > > Two minor points: > > 1. Generally, two spaces are used after a fullstop in documentation. > I'm not sure how important this is. Bleh. Old habits are hard to break. :) > > 2. Indentation. As Nik told me, new questions should be indented > correctly, even though the rest of the FAQ isn't. Indentation rules > are described in the FDP primer. For the FAQ, you need 6 spaces before > the (check at the top of the FAQ -- this is because of > the number of outer tags, not some specific rule for the FAQ) and > then follow the normal rules. If you don't have 6 spaces before the > at the end you've gone wrong somewhere. > OK, I can fix that pretty easily, probably tonight sometimes. Eric > The actual text looks good though. There's a couple of other things I'm > putting in there soon. ("Why do I have so little free memory" and "Why > have I got -RC instead of -STABLE" gives the general idea.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 7: 0: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BDA437BE31 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:00:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA54614; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:00:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007181400.HAA54614@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst Subject: Re: docs/20002: PicoBSD - Markup Tags within Title Tag Reply-To: Ben Smithurst Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20002; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst To: bonk1138@msn.com, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/20002: PicoBSD - Markup Tags within Title Tag Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:42:24 +0100 bonk1138@msn.com wrote: >> Fix: > su-2.04# diff how2build.html how2build.html.new > 4c4 > < <center>PicoBSD Development Kit</center> > --- >> PicoBSD Development Kit In general, unified diffs are preferred ("diff -u"), but in this case it doesn't matter much. To the people on freebsd-small mailing list: may I commit this? The problem is that Netscape doesn't understand tags within , so they appear literally in the title bar. Thanks, -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 7: 0:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100C937BE38 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:00:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA54624; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:00:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007181400.HAA54624@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: docs/19998: PicoBSD - Broken links in HTML Documentation Reply-To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/19998; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: bonk1138@msn.com Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/19998: PicoBSD - Broken links in HTML Documentation Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:38:26 +0100 bonk1138@msn.com wrote: > 10c10 > < <p>Please start from <A HREF="doc/intro.html">here</a> for general > --- >> <p>Please start from <A HREF="doc/src/intro.html">here</a> for general > 12c12 > < <A HREF="doc/how2build.html">here</a> for detailed instructions on how to > --- >> <A HREF="doc/src/how2build.html">here</a> for detailed instructions on how to Read README.html more carefully. :-) "If they are missing, go to the doc/src/ subdirectory and do a 'make'." -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 7: 5:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mout2.silyn-tek.de (mout2.silyn-tek.de [194.25.165.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08D837BDCF; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:05:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from [192.168.32.34] (helo=mx2.silyn-tek.de) by mout2.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13EXzz-00041f-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:05:27 +0200 Received: from p3e9c114a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([62.156.17.74] helo=neutron.cichlids.com) by mx2.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13EXzx-0001zH-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:05:25 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EA8AB91; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:07:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 52CDE14A67; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:05:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:05:24 +0200 To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/20002: PicoBSD - Markup Tags within Title Tag Message-ID: <20000718160524.A21868@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <200007181400.HAA54614@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200007181400.HAA54614@freefall.freebsd.org>; from ben@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 07:00:04AM -0700 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. From: alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Ben Smithurst (ben@FreeBSD.ORG): > To the people on freebsd-small mailing list: may I commit this? The > problem is that Netscape doesn't understand <center> tags within > <title>, so they appear literally in the title bar. That makes no sense anyways. Alex -- cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 7:10: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E69937BDFF for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA56977; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007181410.HAA56977@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: "Patrick S. Gardella" <patrick@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: docs/20002: PicoBSD - Markup Tags within Title Tag Reply-To: "Patrick S. Gardella" <patrick@freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20002; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Patrick S. Gardella" <patrick@freebsd.org> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@freebsd.org> Cc: bonk1138@msn.com, freebsd-small@freebsd.org, freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/20002: PicoBSD - Markup Tags within Title Tag Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:03:08 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Ben Smithurst wrote: > bonk1138@msn.com wrote: > > >> Fix: > > su-2.04# diff how2build.html how2build.html.new > > 4c4 > > < <title><center>PicoBSD Development Kit</center> > > --- > >> PicoBSD Development Kit > > In general, unified diffs are preferred ("diff -u"), but in this case it > doesn't matter much. > > To the people on freebsd-small mailing list: may I commit this? The > problem is that Netscape doesn't understand tags within > , so they appear literally in the title bar. > I'd say, yes, commit it. I'm working (very slowly) on a re-write of the PicoBSD pages, but that may be a while (new job, new house, etc.) Patrick Gardella To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 7:39:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E718137BDCF; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:39:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EXwZ-000D0m-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:01:55 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EXwZ-0008Vt-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:01:55 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:01:55 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@uunet.co.za> Cc: Alexander Langer <alex@big.endian.de>, Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.org>, "Daniel C. Sobral" <dcs@newsguy.com>, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: rc.d and rc.local Message-ID: <20000718150155.T4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20000718131849.L4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <49493.963925685@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WVXkb2QE2eH0aWe4" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <49493.963925685@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --WVXkb2QE2eH0aWe4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sheldon Hearn wrote: > Make that Fx 4.0 instead of Fx 5.0, since this'll definitely be merged > into 4.x at some stage. I thought I'd leave it saying 5.0 until it does get merged, then I can change it to 4.2 or whatever. That seems better, since it wasn't in 4.0 and almost certainly won't be in 4.1. I guess the risk here is that I'll forget to update it. :-) > More evidence that this should be part of the rc(8) manual page. :-) Hmm. Having thought about it, I disagree. But if you feel strongly enough, I'll do it that way. --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --WVXkb2QE2eH0aWe4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: QV9CYjm/QYHxUvqeXViftUWsc0FXOOqS iQCVAwUBOXRjUysPVtiZOS99AQGhuwP/V5KJ0zydNX4sokZTpZhrgpdP8/iZy8Lr 4pOW2AdonswFYXlo9TH1BM8UUbkYA4X8mRVZf4Z9105M7vXsUYWSVc7KjW9G76cN xv1/8/ylcekJPKYcnyDaAavhAoNICFZf4KMr8k7ZgWiCJkpIHQqxm0HuGIZ7Fo8B 4MD+fFS3UhU= =4TaF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WVXkb2QE2eH0aWe4-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 7:39:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr2.ruhr.de [141.39.224.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B52F937BE59 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:39:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 53251 invoked by alias); 18 Jul 2000 14:40:40 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA50368; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:37:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ue) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:37:04 +0200 From: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: Kent Stewart <kstewart@urx.com>, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Make install error in fdp-primer Message-ID: <20000718163703.K32297@nathan.ruhr.de> References: <3973C061.32A63613@urx.com> <20000718135850.O4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000718135850.O4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 01:58:50PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 01:58:50PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > - ${INSTALL_DOCS} ${_curimage} ${DESTDIR}/${_curimage:H} > + ${INSTALL_DOCS} ${LIB_IMAGES_DIR}/${_curimage} ${DESTDIR}/${_curimage:H} [...] > - ${INSTALL_DOCS} ${_curimage} ${DESTDIR}/${_curimage:H} > + ${INSTALL_DOCS} ${LIB_IMAGES_DIR}/${_curimage} ${DESTDIR}/${_curimage:H} > That's cut-n-pasted, so spaces may be screwed up. Apply it with 'patch > -l'. That's the first half of my bandaid (posted in an earlier message). > Even with that the image links in the FDP primer are broken, but > it installs. That's the reason for the second half of my bandaid. The command expands to install [some flags] imagelib/callouts/x.png \ /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/fdp-primer/callouts. If this directory doesn't exist, install will copy the image to a file called callouts. That's what happened in your build environment. You'll have to remove the file, create the directory manually and reinstall. Afterwards, the directory will contains five .png files. I don't know if this trick fixes all the problems: I don't like images as callout markers and have modified the style sheets to use text. You may have to analyse the html files and look for the img= statements to find the "correct" path. http://www.ruhr.de/home/nathan/callout/callout.html contains several examples of callouts with text markers and a short list of reasons why I'm using text instead of images (near the end of the article). If you`d like to compare the effects of text and image markers, try http://www.ruhr.de/home/nathan/callout/examples/text.html http://www.ruhr.de/home/nathan/callout/examples/graphic.html Try to identify the callout images on a 19" monitor with a resolution of only 1280x960. It's extremly hard to read them. /s/Udo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 7:39:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F81A37BE4F for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:39:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EYNN-000D36-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:29:37 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EYNN-000DQ4-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:29:37 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:29:37 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@uunet.co.za> Cc: Alexander Langer <alex@big.endian.de>, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: rc.d and rc.local Message-ID: <20000718152937.U4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20000718131849.L4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <49493.963925685@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> <20000718150155.T4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+k4Drb7WGefOwc9B" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000718150155.T4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --+k4Drb7WGefOwc9B Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="v15hXiddb3kq3Bam" Content-Disposition: inline --v15hXiddb3kq3Bam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Hmm. Having thought about it, I disagree. But if you feel strongly > enough, I'll do it that way. Hmm, I've thought about it again, and I agree with you now about putting it in the same page. I'll make my mind up soon, honest. :-) I plan to commit the two attached patches, unless anyone objects. --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --v15hXiddb3kq3Bam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="rc.8.HEAD.diff" Index: rc.8 =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/share/man/man8/rc.8,v retrieving revision 1.10 diff -u -r1.10 rc.8 --- rc.8 2000/06/20 10:30:50 1.10 +++ rc.8 2000/07/18 14:23:59 @@ -42,6 +42,7 @@ .Nm rc .Nm rc.conf .Nm rc.conf.local +.Nm rc.d .Nm rc.serial .Nm rc.pccard .Nm rc.network @@ -67,6 +68,59 @@ .Nm rc.conf.local contains the local system configuration. See rc.conf(5) .Pp +The +.Nm rc.d +directories contain scripts which will be automatically +executed at boot time and shutdown time. +The following key points apply to the scripts within each +.Nm rc.d +directory: +.Pp +.Bl -bullet -compact +.It +Scripts are only executed if their filename matches +.Pa *.sh , +and they have the execute bit set. +Any other files or directories present within the +.Nm rc.d +directory are silently ignored. +.It +When a script is executed at boot time, it is passed the string +.Dq start +as its first and only argument. +At shutdown time, it is passed the string +.Dq stop +as its first and only argument. +All scripts within the +.Nm rc.d +directory are expected to handle these arguments appropriately. +If no action needs to be taken at a given time +.Pq either boot time or shutdown time +the script should exit successfully and without producing an error message. +.El +.Pp +The output from each script is traditionally a space character, +followed by the name of the software package being started or shutdown, +.Em without +a trailing newline character (see the +.Sx EXAMPLES +section). +.Pp +The system initialization scripts can execute scripts from multiple +.Nm rc.d +directories. +The default locations are +.Pa /usr/local/etc/rc.d +and +.Pa /usr/X11R6/etc/rc.d , +but the administrator may specify different directories by setting the +.Dq local_startup +option of +.Xr rc.conf 5 . +This option's value should be a list of directories to check for +.Nm rc.d +scripts. +.Pp .Nm Rc.shutdown is the command script which contains any necessary commands to be executed as the system is shut down. @@ -155,7 +209,37 @@ .Pp Following tradition, the startup files reside in .Pa /etc . +.Sh EXAMPLES +The following is a simple, fictitious example of an +.Nm rc.d +script, +which would start a daemon at boot time, +and kill it at shutdown time. +.Bd -literal -offset indent +#!/bin/sh - +# +# initialization/shutdown script for foobar package + +case "$1" in +start) + /usr/local/sbin/foo -d && echo -n ' foo' + ;; +stop) + kill `cat /var/run/foo.pid` && echo -n ' foo' + ;; +*) + echo "unknown option: $1 - should be 'start' or 'stop'" >&2 + ;; +esac +.Ed +.Pp +As all processes are killed by +.Xr init 8 +at shutdown, the explicit +.Xr kill 1 +is unnecessary, but is often included. .Sh SEE ALSO +.Xr kill 1 , .Xr rc.conf 5 , .Xr init 8 , .Xr reboot 8 , --v15hXiddb3kq3Bam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="rc.8.RELENG_4.diff" Index: rc.8 =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/share/man/man8/rc.8,v retrieving revision 1.9.2.1 diff -u -r1.9.2.1 rc.8 --- rc.8 2000/06/20 10:32:11 1.9.2.1 +++ rc.8 2000/07/18 14:27:14 @@ -42,6 +42,7 @@ .Nm rc .Nm rc.conf .Nm rc.conf.local +.Nm rc.d .Nm rc.serial .Nm rc.pccard .Nm rc.network @@ -67,6 +68,53 @@ .Nm rc.conf.local contains the local system configuration. See rc.conf(5) .Pp +The +.Nm rc.d +directories contain scripts which will be automatically +executed at boot time. +The following key points apply to the scripts within each +.Nm rc.d +directory: +.Pp +.Bl -bullet -compact +.It +Scripts are only executed if their filename matches +.Pa *.sh , +and they have the execute bit set. +Any other files or directories present within the +.Nm rc.d +directory are silently ignored. +.It +When a script is executed, it is passed the string +.Dq start +as its first and only argument. +All scripts within the +.Nm rc.d +directory are expected to handle this argument appropriately. +.El +.Pp +The output from each script is traditionally a space character, +followed by the name of the software package being started, +.Em without +a trailing newline character (see the +.Sx EXAMPLES +section). +.Pp +The system initialization scripts can execute scripts from multiple +.Nm rc.d +directories. +The default locations are +.Pa /usr/local/etc/rc.d +and +.Pa /usr/X11R6/etc/rc.d , +but the administrator may specify different directories by setting the +.Dq local_startup +option of +.Xr rc.conf 5 . +This option's value should be a list of directories to check for +.Nm rc.d +scripts. +.Pp .Nm Rc.shutdown is the command script which contains any necessary commands to be executed as the system is shut down. @@ -155,6 +203,25 @@ .Pp Following tradition, the startup files reside in .Pa /etc . +.Sh EXAMPLES +The following is a simple, fictitious example of an +.Nm rc.d +script, +which would start a daemon at boot time. +.Bd -literal -offset indent +#!/bin/sh - +# +# initialization/shutdown script for foobar package + +case "$1" in +start) + /usr/local/sbin/foo -d && echo -n ' foo' + ;; +*) + echo "unknown option: $1 - should be 'start'" >&2 + ;; +esac +.Ed .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr rc.conf 5 , .Xr init 8 , --v15hXiddb3kq3Bam-- --+k4Drb7WGefOwc9B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: iCpH83LFKV3CMiZuyXTFQU+9kj6vRyRq iQCVAwUBOXRp0CsPVtiZOS99AQEV1AP/VvTgR6CRlAWwlJ4NEpC0pvM3m1gDBkAQ 5BowOb1u5Eaeanxmh6ATsRwPZkg3h7+4Tv0iuVpVq26hdY7S/HfEA8UqeJR4WQuj UVMXw4WFtajBvorOnNvo4Tca8WC/Xv+yl0Zq0NIsaJWryE6+50gdUri8j2/+0SOg 84Bf8Q/+9bU= =+Lvy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+k4Drb7WGefOwc9B-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 7:40:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EADC037BE32; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:40:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p22-dn02kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.87]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id XAA01928; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:40:52 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <39746C8A.4B97AB56@newsguy.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:41:14 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" <dcs@newsguy.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.org>, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: rc.d and rc.local References: <396F6607.6C764850@newsguy.com> <20000715031452.C20004@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000717214927.B4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ben Smithurst wrote: > > ok, here's my first attempt at this. It's probably a bit rough around > the edges, but it might provide a starting point. I like it, but there are two points where it can be improved (that I can see): * It is important to make it clear at which point in the system startup these scripts are executed (after all other rc(8) stuff, only in multiuser, right? If I'm wrong, all more of a reason to specify so :). * A comment to the effect that the scripts are executed in ASCII order (I don't recall how to say that nicely :) at startup, and reverse at shutdown, and hint that one can prefix certain scripts with digits to enforce their ordering. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@a.crazy.bsdconspiracy.net "There is no spoon." -- Kiki To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 7:43:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mout1.silyn-tek.de (mout1.silyn-tek.de [194.25.165.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0BF37BE4F; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:43:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from [192.168.32.34] (helo=mx2.silyn-tek.de) by mout1.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13EYaS-0005U6-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:43:08 +0200 Received: from p3e9c114a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([62.156.17.74] helo=neutron.cichlids.com) by mx2.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13EYaP-0002Wn-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:43:06 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F368AB91; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:44:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7865114A67; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:43:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:43:01 +0200 From: Alexander Langer <alex@big.endian.de> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@uunet.co.za>, Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.org>, "Daniel C. Sobral" <dcs@newsguy.com>, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: rc.d and rc.local Message-ID: <20000718164301.A23930@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <20000718131849.L4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <49493.963925685@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> <20000718150155.T4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000718150155.T4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 03:01:55PM +0100 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Ben Smithurst (ben@FreeBSD.org): > I thought I'd leave it saying 5.0 until it does get merged, then I can > change it to 4.2 or whatever. That seems better, since it wasn't in 4.0 > and almost certainly won't be in 4.1. I guess the risk here is that > I'll forget to update it. :-) No, better change it right now and make Sheldon MFC right now :) Alex --=20 cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 7:57:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr2.ruhr.de [141.39.224.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C61CB37BDCA for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:57:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 54305 invoked by alias); 18 Jul 2000 14:58:43 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA50548; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:57:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ue) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:57:25 +0200 From: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: Alexander Langer <alex@big.endian.de>, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/19997: [PATCH] Addition of info about debug kernels to the FAQ Message-ID: <20000718165725.L32297@nathan.ruhr.de> References: <200007181250.FAA88127@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000718145850.A18498@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000718140525.P4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000718140525.P4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 02:05:25PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I don't care about emacs, either. On the other hand, vim's gq and gqq comands can be used to fix some of the problems. Take a look at the second autocmd statement in /usr/doc/share/examples/vim/edit-sgml.vim It shouldn't take more than a day to fix the FAQ. The translators will be pissed if they'll have to replicate the changes. Calming them down will take more than a day. /s/Udo -- I'd like to meet the man who invented sex and see what he's working on now. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 7:59:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.ops.uunet.co.za (axl.ops.uunet.co.za [196.31.2.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93BE337BDCA; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:59:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.ops.uunet.co.za) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.ops.uunet.co.za) by axl.ops.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EYpn-000DMY-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:58:59 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@uunet.co.za> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: rc.d and rc.local In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:29:37 +0100." <20000718152937.U4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:58:59 +0200 Message-ID: <51369.963932339@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:29:37 +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > Hmm, I've thought about it again, and I agree with you now about putting > it in the same page. I'll make my mind up soon, honest. :-) I do that more and more all the time. I like to think it's one of the problems associated with keeping an open mind. ;-) I like this patch. :-) > +.It > +Scripts are only executed if their filename matches > +.Pa *.sh , > +and they have the execute bit set. Two suggested changes: .It Scripts are only executed if their .Xr basename 1 matches the shell globbing pattern .Pa *.sh , and they are executable. I prefer "they are executable" because "they have the execute bit set" begs the question "which execute bit?". > +.Pq either boot time or shutdown time This is one of the situations that Garrett was talking about. Just use normal parens: (either boot time or shutdown time) > +The output from each script is traditionally a space character, > +followed by the name of the software package being started or shutdown, The misspelling of "shut down" is excusable in most of the file, but not here. :-) > +The default locations are > +.Pa /usr/local/etc/rc.d > +and > +.Pa /usr/X11R6/etc/rc.d , > +but the administrator may specify different directories by setting the > +.Dq local_startup > +option of > +.Xr rc.conf 5 . I'd prefer this ... but these may be overridden with the .Va local_startup .Xr rc.conf 5 variable. I prefer to mark up local_startup as a variable, since it _is_ a shell variable. Also, I don't like to talk about the administrator when there's a graceful alternative, but that's just my preference. What _is_ significant about my alternative is that it makes more clear the fact that local_startup overrides these defaults, rather than adding to them. > +This option's value should be a list of directories to check for > +.Nm rc.d > +scripts. My preference would be to leave this out, but there's no solid argument for that. > +.Sh EXAMPLES > +The following is a simple, fictitious example of an You might want to consider the word "hypothetical" instead of "fictitious" here. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 8:13: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mout2.silyn-tek.de (mout2.silyn-tek.de [194.25.165.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7148B37B919; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:12:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from [192.168.32.34] (helo=mx2.silyn-tek.de) by mout2.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13EZ3K-0004G0-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:12:58 +0200 Received: from p3e9c114a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([62.156.17.74] helo=neutron.cichlids.com) by mx2.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13EZ3J-0002wA-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:12:57 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B655AB91; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:14:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AAFFF14A67; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:12:56 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:12:56 +0200 From: Alexander Langer <alex@big.endian.de> To: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> Cc: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.ORG>, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/19997: [PATCH] Addition of info about debug kernels to the FAQ Message-ID: <20000718171256.A24726@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <200007181250.FAA88127@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000718145850.A18498@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000718140525.P4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718165725.L32297@nathan.ruhr.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000718165725.L32297@nathan.ruhr.de>; from ue@nathan.ruhr.de on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 04:57:25PM +0200 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Also sprach Udo Erdelhoff (ue@nathan.ruhr.de): > I don't care about emacs, either. On the other hand, vim's gq and gqq > comands can be used to fix some of the problems. Take a look at the second > autocmd statement in /usr/doc/share/examples/vim/edit-sgml.vim see private mail > It shouldn't take more than a day to fix the FAQ. The translators will be > pissed if they'll have to replicate the changes. Calming them down will > take more than a day. Hmm. I don't think so, if you keep the indentation stuff to white-space only changes. However, it MUST be done. Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 8:21:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294A837B54C; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:21:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA68352; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:21:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:21:22 -0700 (PDT) From: <ben@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <200007181521.IAA68352@freefall.freebsd.org> To: bonk1138@msn.com, ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/20002: PicoBSD - Markup Tags within Title Tag Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: PicoBSD - Markup Tags within Title Tag State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ben State-Changed-When: Tue Jul 18 16:19:32 BST 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20002 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 8:41:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [206.79.44.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A484537BE9E; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:41:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08587; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:23:33 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:23:32 +0000 From: Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org> To: Dirk GOUDERS <hank@et.bocholt.fh-gelsenkirchen.de> Cc: Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org>, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why don't I get the tutorials with the DOC distribution? Message-ID: <20000718032332.A2747@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000716162727.A22910@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <200007170807.KAA48818@musashi.et.bocholt.fh-ge.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200007170807.KAA48818@musashi.et.bocholt.fh-ge.de>; from hank@et.bocholt.fh-gelsenkirchen.de on Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 10:07:41AM +0200 Organization: FreeBSD Project <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 10:07:41AM +0200, Dirk GOUDERS wrote: > I found the tutorial at the specified location - most of them. > Maybe I should have pointed out that the turorial I am particular > interested in is the docproj-primer and this is one I cannot find > there. > > I used the web interface to cvsup and had a look at > http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/doc/en/tutorials/docproj-primer/. > > Seems as if everything there went into the attic and therefore I don't > get any of the files using cvsup. Is that correct? Not exactly. We reorganised the doc/ directory, but we have the problem that there are links to the documents on the web already out there. There are some rather nasty hacks in the web site build process that install some documents (like the primer) in odd places to comply with the old structure. The primer is in the books/ directory in the CVS tree. > > However, note that the FTP directory above also contains the documentation > > in FreeBSD package format, so you can use the pkg_* commands to add them, > > update them, and so on. > > Again, I cannot find docproj-primer* there. I'm not online at the moment. I'll get back to you on that. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 8:41:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [206.79.44.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F064937BF72; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:41:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08614; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:26:34 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:26:34 +0000 From: Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org>, "Daniel C. Sobral" <dcs@newsguy.com>, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rc.d and rc.local Message-ID: <20000718032634.B2747@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <396F6607.6C764850@newsguy.com> <20000715031452.C20004@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000717214927.B4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000717214927.B4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 09:49:27PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 09:49:27PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 04:12:07AM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > >> The rc(8) man page has many remarks to the effect that rc.local has been > >> deprecated in favour of rc.d, but there is no man page about rc.d. > >> Something really ought to be done about this. > > > > Bollocks. I hit ^C in the fetchmail window, and it didn't download your > > patch. Can you resend it please? > > ok, here's my first attempt at this. It's probably a bit rough around > the edges, but it might provide a starting point. Looks OK to me, I'll let Sheldon (Capt'n Man Page) add any comments he wants :-) One thing though -- I thought that foo.sh start and foo.sh were identical. Your example doesn't do that. I didn't follow the discussion too closely (I took part in a similar one 18 months ago, and I'm still recovering from it), so I could be wrong. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 9: 2:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B86B37BF13 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:02:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EZHR-000DAt-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:27:33 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EZHR-000CC6-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:27:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:27:33 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@uunet.co.za> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: rc.d and rc.local Message-ID: <20000718162733.W4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20000718152937.U4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <51369.963932339@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7kW37LRKoI6fR2de" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <51369.963932339@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --7kW37LRKoI6fR2de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sheldon Hearn wrote: >> +.Pq either boot time or shutdown time >=20 > This is one of the situations that Garrett was talking about. Just use > normal parens: >=20 > (either boot time or shutdown time) yep, I've since fixed that in my local copy. I think I'll try to come up with a patch for mdoc.samples(7) to explain this too. >> +but the administrator may specify different directories by setting the >> +.Dq local_startup >> +option of >> +.Xr rc.conf 5 . >=20 > I'd prefer this >=20 > ... > but these may be overridden with the > .Va local_startup > .Xr rc.conf 5 > variable. >=20 > I prefer to mark up local_startup as a variable, since it _is_ a shell > variable. Yes, I was going to do that myself, but couldn't remember the right macro so I just used .Dq as a fallback. :-) >> +This option's value should be a list of directories to check for >> +.Nm rc.d >> +scripts. >=20 > My preference would be to leave this out, but there's no solid argument > for that. ok, I guess it's fairly obvious. > You might want to consider the word "hypothetical" instead of > "fictitious" here. Sounds good. --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --7kW37LRKoI6fR2de Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: AymQvT9VHmJ6EX1iRjnUqGqfHHTlif8M iQCVAwUBOXR3ZCsPVtiZOS99AQHJDQP/d9rG63Z7DgVqRJxzdXEQp/53MUIu6wNd u6ni+9geb8S5qDWNw7Nzz+ByrJ+2HP/z7wnqUu3e2QEzMKPhHWncqbNZ8pjpHf3I I7ZsMfGi5NXr7j47JIiW0Swvqs+vSYtTzZOqEkEBQ5jvV9vNcJihCh2Vq/vw/A5m g5B3wpHLZBc= =ogKD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7kW37LRKoI6fR2de-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 9: 2:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0084037BF86 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:02:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EZgk-000DBu-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:53:42 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EZgk-000J6O-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:53:42 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:53:42 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> Cc: Alexander Langer <alex@big.endian.de>, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/19997: [PATCH] Addition of info about debug kernels to the FAQ Message-ID: <20000718165342.Z4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <200007181250.FAA88127@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000718145850.A18498@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000718140525.P4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718165725.L32297@nathan.ruhr.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="E9SPMlsjsjqOlA3h" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000718165725.L32297@nathan.ruhr.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --E9SPMlsjsjqOlA3h Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > It shouldn't take more than a day to fix the FAQ. The translators will be > pissed if they'll have to replicate the changes. Calming them down will > take more than a day. I've got another big change lined up for the FAQ, which will probably annoy translators. :-( It converts <literallayout> to something which is actually good (<programlisting> or <screen>). Look at <http://www.FreeBSD.org/FAQ/ppp.html#AEN3288> for why this is needed. If the anchor is wrong, look at the netstat output in the "Ppp won't dial in -auto mode" question. Nik said "be ruthless", so I'm going to take that as approval. :-) I'll leave it until 4.1 is out the door though, just in case. --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --E9SPMlsjsjqOlA3h Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: oFtG0Zra/wzo3i0skGyPvWw+ggz0VyeZ iQCVAwUBOXR9hSsPVtiZOS99AQGJnwP/fEbpa5eYzmaHxL/nTRnKcqH6S3O+8oNg E/zcHLs3NNIj0ht+gQc6nnPO6iQZYyTl2ZaqlR6JLM3UVLNLC1Ccl4NLKfVAOOg2 Qvdw6XKjN9lTpml5a3ghDl4Pc0wQkKPK7xtLfL2cta/ek+lcHy89w6DrrSlcCAQ7 9be7850jzTU= =Z0Sg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --E9SPMlsjsjqOlA3h-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 9: 2:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0484D37BF8B for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:02:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EZnw-000DCJ-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:01:08 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EZnw-000LFA-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:01:08 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:01:08 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: Alexander Langer <alex@big.endian.de> Cc: Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@uunet.co.za>, "Daniel C. Sobral" <dcs@newsguy.com>, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: rc.d and rc.local Message-ID: <20000718170108.A4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20000718131849.L4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <49493.963925685@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> <20000718150155.T4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718164301.A23930@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ELawpaRm0uGyL1wg" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000718164301.A23930@cichlids.cichlids.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --ELawpaRm0uGyL1wg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alexander Langer wrote: > Thus spake Ben Smithurst (ben@FreeBSD.org): >=20 >> I thought I'd leave it saying 5.0 until it does get merged, then I can >> change it to 4.2 or whatever. That seems better, since it wasn't in 4.0 >> and almost certainly won't be in 4.1. I guess the risk here is that >> I'll forget to update it. :-) >=20 > No, better change it right now and make Sheldon MFC right now :) Well, as I'm probably adding it to rc(8), I don't think I'll bother with a HISTORY section, as that page doesn't have one at the moment. Anyway, here's the latest patch for HEAD. I'll do the RELENG_4 version soon (hopefully in time for 4.1). One problem, which I'm not sure how to fix: At shutdown time, the directories are processed by =2ENm rc.shutdown . The following key points apply to the scripts within each directory: This only gives one space after "rc.shutdown." :-( Hardly a major problem, but how would I fix that? Index: rc.8 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/share/man/man8/rc.8,v retrieving revision 1.10 diff -u -r1.10 rc.8 --- rc.8 2000/06/20 10:30:50 1.10 +++ rc.8 2000/07/18 15:48:57 @@ -42,6 +42,7 @@ .Nm rc .Nm rc.conf .Nm rc.conf.local +.Nm rc.d .Nm rc.serial .Nm rc.pccard .Nm rc.network @@ -67,6 +68,72 @@ .Nm rc.conf.local contains the local system configuration. See rc.conf(5) .Pp +The +.Nm rc.d +directories contain scripts which will be automatically +executed at boot time and shutdown time. +At boot time, +the specified directories are processed immediately after +.Nm rc.local +is executed. +(See below for details on how to specify directories to check.) +At shutdown time, +the directories are processed by +.Nm rc.shutdown . +The following key points apply to the scripts within each directory: +.Pp +.Bl -bullet -compact +.It +Scripts are only executed if their +.Xr basename 1 +matches the shell globbing pattern +.Pa *.sh , +and they are executable. +Any other files or directories present within the directory are silently +ignored. +.It +When a script is executed at boot time, it is passed the string +.Dq start +as its first and only argument. +At shutdown time, it is passed the string +.Dq stop +as its first and only argument. +All +.Nm rc.d +scripts expected to handle these arguments appropriately. +If no action needs to be taken at a given time +(either boot time or shutdown time) +the script should exit successfully and without producing an error message. +.It +The scripts within each directory are executed in lexicographical order. +If a specific order is required, +numbers may be used as a prefix to the existing filenames, +so for example +.Pa 100.foo +would be executed before +.Pa 200.bar ; +without the numeric prefixes the opposite would be true. +.El +.Pp +The output from each script is traditionally a space character, +followed by the name of the software package being started or shut down, +.Em without +a trailing newline character (see the +.Sx EXAMPLES +section). +.Pp +The system initialization scripts can execute scripts from multiple +.Nm rc.d +directories. +The default locations are +.Pa /usr/local/etc/rc.d +and +.Pa /usr/X11R6/etc/rc.d , +but these may be overriden with the +.Va local_startup +.Xr rc.conf 5 +variable. +.Pp .Nm Rc.shutdown is the command script which contains any necessary commands to be executed as the system is shut down. @@ -155,7 +222,37 @@ .Pp Following tradition, the startup files reside in .Pa /etc . +.Sh EXAMPLES +The following is a simple, hypothetical example of an +.Nm rc.d +script, +which would start a daemon at boot time, +and kill it at shutdown time. +.Bd -literal -offset indent +#!/bin/sh - +# +# initialization/shutdown script for foobar package + +case "$1" in +start) + /usr/local/sbin/foo -d && echo -n ' foo' + ;; +stop) + kill `cat /var/run/foo.pid` && echo -n ' foo' + ;; +*) + echo "unknown option: $1 - should be 'start' or 'stop'" >&2 + ;; +esac +.Ed +.Pp +As all processes are killed by +.Xr init 8 +at shutdown, the explicit +.Xr kill 1 +is unnecessary, but is often included. .Sh SEE ALSO +.Xr kill 1 , .Xr rc.conf 5 , .Xr init 8 , .Xr reboot 8 , --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --ELawpaRm0uGyL1wg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: ZJ3Q1MLMzJXr8eFZRoNDBiqvlgYObqNP iQCVAwUBOXR/QisPVtiZOS99AQETEQP+LJZ//0MzzDehJpSjwfW5EDJwG9Rzdq9A IdSVMfPGV55m0m06mAI+ei+pWEuG2xkhbSGnU7rvGTLjqwznu1ByUH4iPskE1D7i uUnCJFo1OJ8rteb7NwuFszAJ+MMr4e1lq1RbEpXkmZkRNA+AqU7FG+i2/IK53qRU aiOq2WNngDQ= =pqCZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ELawpaRm0uGyL1wg-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 9: 2:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A0E37BFB1 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:02:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EZcx-000DBk-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:49:47 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EZcw-000HNf-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:49:46 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:49:46 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: "Daniel C. Sobral" <dcs@newsguy.com> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: rc.d and rc.local Message-ID: <20000718164946.Y4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <396F6607.6C764850@newsguy.com> <20000715031452.C20004@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000717214927.B4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <39746C8A.4B97AB56@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="B7FF+pnjRCrp0ISR" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <39746C8A.4B97AB56@newsguy.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --B7FF+pnjRCrp0ISR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > * It is important to make it clear at which point in the system startup > these scripts are executed (after all other rc(8) stuff, only in > multiuser, right? If I'm wrong, all more of a reason to specify so :). ok, I'll say something to the effect that they're executed immediately after rc.local. > * A comment to the effect that the scripts are executed in ASCII order > (I don't recall how to say that nicely :) at startup, I think "lexicographical order" might be what you're after. :-) That's what strcmp(3) says, and what find(1) says about the -s option, for example. > and reverse at shutdown, Hmm? I don't see that. for dir in ${local_startup}; do if [ -d "${dir}" ]; then for script in ${dir}/*.sh; do if [ -x "${script}" ]; then (set -T trap 'exit 1' 2 ${script} stop) fi done fi done > and hint that one can prefix certain scripts with digits to enforce > their ordering. good point. --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --B7FF+pnjRCrp0ISR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: c+BcW3U6wpd8UbibnOB6RQrm2LX9bBeE iQCVAwUBOXR8misPVtiZOS99AQGpUgP/SLJepDmtg47bDpv1ATuHRYx8gJ3zqgaO qU0ztKmhtLRH6ihz0czJdyMV5Rp28OdpS6UuzcsLIOLJkT90FsciuVq1nVAHyrD/ 235RkNAx/tkfHU2qImBlDWAcN3AJZ6bJiiyoaoBxKYPHphK8sTuizxlDTsJ0xM+f 4K5laguFg4c= =65eP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --B7FF+pnjRCrp0ISR-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 9:12:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.ops.uunet.co.za (axl.ops.uunet.co.za [196.31.2.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F93437BE92; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:12:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.ops.uunet.co.za) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.ops.uunet.co.za) by axl.ops.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EZyM-000DbF-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:11:54 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@uunet.co.za> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Alexander Langer <alex@big.endian.de>, "Daniel C. Sobral" <dcs@newsguy.com>, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: rc.d and rc.local In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:01:08 +0100." <20000718170108.A4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:11:54 +0200 Message-ID: <52280.963936714@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:01:08 +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > At shutdown time, > the directories are processed by > .Nm rc.shutdown . > The following key points apply to the scripts within each directory: > > This only gives one space after "rc.shutdown." :-( Hardly a major > problem, but how would I fix that? That's an mdoc bug. You're doing the right thing; mdoc will do the right thing when it's fixed. :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 9:28:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B0837BDB8; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:28:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EZtl-000DG8-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:07:09 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EZtl-0004Q0-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:07:09 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:07:09 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org> Cc: "Daniel C. Sobral" <dcs@newsguy.com>, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rc.d and rc.local Message-ID: <20000718170709.B4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <396F6607.6C764850@newsguy.com> <20000715031452.C20004@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000717214927.B4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718032634.B2747@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="JoJCGVnM/36AiBh+" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000718032634.B2747@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --JoJCGVnM/36AiBh+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nik Clayton wrote: > One thing though -- I thought that=20 >=20 > foo.sh start >=20 > and > =20 > foo.sh >=20 > were identical. Your example doesn't do that. I didn't follow the=20 > discussion too closely (I took part in a similar one 18 months ago, and > I'm still recovering from it), so I could be wrong. Well, the newest dnetc (distributed.net client) port doesn't accept the form without an argument, so I'm guessing all the ports have been converted that way. --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --JoJCGVnM/36AiBh+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: dWD/TNt/Rhsa8pCn4NE6MR8aHImIy/ab iQCVAwUBOXSArCsPVtiZOS99AQGLhAQAjip4BHE8YmHBQbiNZB/o1NjCD+UKJ2kk d/IZgPG3s1noj9W4sCh5Mu3MjMHvnGEg882eaZSpFmpvBBvElq6+GuCzEjuE3Cbo aV05bvn7cZ/Gg8cDohUtq3NlYK3tUt1/vOhYETd8oSQI1OmfrB45md6lDVLbHj4U T8NJZ/9d+sI= =KSMy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --JoJCGVnM/36AiBh+-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 9:28:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A6B37BEEA; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:28:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA78836; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:28:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:28:55 -0700 (PDT) From: <ben@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <200007181628.JAA78836@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, ben@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/19997: [PATCH] Addition of info about debug kernels to the FAQ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [PATCH] Addition of info about debug kernels to the FAQ Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ben Responsible-Changed-By: ben Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Jul 18 17:28:36 BST 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll handle this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19997 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 9:29:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5784337BF01; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:29:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA79002; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:29:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:29:39 -0700 (PDT) From: <ben@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <200007181629.JAA79002@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, ben@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/18520: kbdcontrol manpage incomplete Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: kbdcontrol manpage incomplete Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ben Responsible-Changed-By: ben Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Jul 18 17:29:18 BST 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'm looking at this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=18520 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 9:40:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F54037B560 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA80932; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from minya.sea.one-eyed-alien.net (minya.sea.one-eyed-alien.net [216.39.168.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352F337B633 for <FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:34:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brooks@minya.sea.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: (from brooks@localhost) by minya. (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10468; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:13:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brooks) Message-Id: <200007180613.XAA10468@minya.> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:13:54 -0700 (PDT) From: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 20009 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Jul 18 09:40:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Brooks Davis >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: >Description: People are confused by all the refrences on hackers, etc. to the color of bikesheds. There should be a FAQ about this. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Apply this patch in the faq directory and add a man entity for sleep(1). Hopefully, this doesn't contain too many DocBook style errors. I think I recal Nik saying that patches should follow the style guide not the status quo in the FAQ. Index: book.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.70 diff -u -r1.70 book.sgml --- book.sgml 2000/07/11 21:36:22 1.70 +++ book.sgml 2000/07/18 05:50:06 @@ -8782,6 +8782,85 @@ </answer></qandaentry> + <qandaentry> + <question> + <para>Why should I care what color the bikeshed is?</para> + </question> + + <answer> + <para>The really, really short answer is that you shouldn't. + The somewhat longer answer is that just because you are + capable of building a bikeshed doesn't mean you should stop + others from building one just because you don't like the + color they plan to paint it. This is a metaphor indicating + that you need not argue about every little feature just + because you know enough to do so. Some people have + commented that the amount of noise generated by a change is + inversely proportional to the complexity of the + change.</para> + + <para>The longer and more complete answer is that after a very + long argument about whether &man.sleep.1; should take + fractional second arguments, Poul-Henning Kamp posted a long + message entitled <quote><ulink url="http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=506636+517178+/usr/local/www/db/text/1999/freebsd-hackers/19991003.freebsd-hackers">A + bike shed (any colour will do) on greener + grass...</ulink></quote>. The appropriate portions of that + message are quoted below.</para> + + + <blockquote> + <title>Excerpts from <quote>A bike shed (any colour will do) on + greener grass...</quote> + + Poul-Henning Kamp on freebsd-hackers, October + 2, 1999 + + "What is it about this bike shed ?" Some of you have + asked me. + + It's a long story, or rather it's an old story, but + it is quite short actually. C. Northcote Parkinson wrote + a book in the early 1960'ies, called "Parkinson's Law", + which contains a lot of insight into the dynamics of + management. + + [snip a bit of commentary on the book] + + In the specific example involving the bike shed, the + other vital component is an atomic power-plant, I guess + that illustrates the age of the book. + + Parkinson shows how you can go in to the board of + directors and get approval for building a multi-million or + even billion dollar atomic power plant, but if you want to + build a bike shed you will be tangled up in endless + discussions. + + Parkinson explains that this is because an atomic + plant is so vast, so expensive and so complicated that + people cannot grasp it, and rather than try, they fall + back on the assumption that somebody else checked all the + details before it got this far. Richard P. Feynmann + gives a couple of interesting, and very much to the point, + examples relating to Los Alamos in his books. + + A bike shed on the other hand. Anyone can build one + of those over a weekend, and still have time to watch the + game on TV. So no matter how well prepared, no matter how + reasonable you are with your proposal, somebody will seize + the chance to show that he is doing his job, that he is + paying attention, that he is *here*. + + In Denmark we call it "setting your fingerprint". It + is about personal pride and prestige, it is about being + able to point somewhere and say "There! *I* did that." + It is a strong trait in politicians, but present in most + people given the chance. Just think about footsteps in + wet cement. + + + + How many FreeBSD hackers does it take to change a lightbulb? >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 9:50: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 250C437B5A3 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA82429; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007181650.JAA82429@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Sheldon Hearn Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Reply-To: Sheldon Hearn Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20009; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Sheldon Hearn To: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:49:03 +0200 On Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:13:54 MST, brooks@one-eyed-alien.net wrote: > People are confused by all the refrences on hackers, etc. to the color > of bikesheds. There should be a FAQ about this. Personally, I'd just give a reference to phk's original message. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 9:50:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [206.79.44.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E58537B7A1 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:50:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11335; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:58:23 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:58:23 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Kent Stewart Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Make install error in fdp-primer Message-ID: <20000718165822.C2747@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <3973C061.32A63613@urx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <3973C061.32A63613@urx.com>; from kstewart@urx.com on Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 07:26:41PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 07:26:41PM -0700, Kent Stewart wrote: > I can do a make from /usr/doc now but an install dies in fdp-primer. Yeah, I know. I'm fixing this at the moment. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 10: 1:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3BF37B60C; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:01:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p22-dn02kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.87]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id CAA11851; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:01:06 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <39748D67.BE519EB0@newsguy.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:01:27 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Smithurst Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: rc.d and rc.local References: <396F6607.6C764850@newsguy.com> <20000715031452.C20004@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000717214927.B4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <39746C8A.4B97AB56@newsguy.com> <20000718164946.Y4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ben Smithurst wrote: > > ok, I'll say something to the effect that they're executed immediately > after rc.local. I hope you checked this, instead of trusting me blindly. :-) > > and reverse at shutdown, > > Hmm? I don't see that. > > for dir in ${local_startup}; do > if [ -d "${dir}" ]; then > for script in ${dir}/*.sh; do > if [ -x "${script}" ]; then > (set -T > trap 'exit 1' 2 > ${script} stop) > fi > done > fi > done On of the points raised in the discussion was that the order ought to be reversed at shutdown. Please contact the author and ask him directly about that. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@a.crazy.bsdconspiracy.net "There is no spoon." -- Kiki To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 10:20: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77BA737B6FA for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:20:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA86640; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:20:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007181720.KAA86640@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Brooks Davis Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Reply-To: Brooks Davis Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20009; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Brooks Davis To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net, FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:10:33 -0700 On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 06:49:03PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > On Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:13:54 MST, brooks@one-eyed-alien.net wrote: > > People are confused by all the refrences on hackers, etc. to the color > > of bikesheds. There should be a FAQ about this. > > Personally, I'd just give a reference to phk's original message. The problem with that is that it won't work in print on offline. I don't think it's very helpful to have FAQ entries that don't directly give some sort of useful answer unless it's really not possiable. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 10:20: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8748D37B82B for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:20:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA86645; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:20:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007181720.KAA86645@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Sheldon Hearn Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Reply-To: Sheldon Hearn Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20009; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Sheldon Hearn To: Brooks Davis Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:11:29 +0200 On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:10:33 MST, Brooks Davis wrote: > The problem with that is that it won't work in print on offline. I don't > think it's very helpful to have FAQ entries that don't directly give > some sort of useful answer unless it's really not possiable. Ah yes, good point. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 10:42:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from tholian.securitydynamics.com (tholian.securid.com [204.167.112.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C5B7637B6BA for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:42:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ecogren@rsasecurity.com) Received: from sdtihq24.securitydynamics.com by tholian.securitydynamics.com via smtpd (for hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) with SMTP; 18 Jul 2000 17:42:01 UT Received: from exna00.securitydynamics.com (exna00.securitydynamics.com [10.2.1.110]) by sdtihq24.securid.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00689 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by exna00.securitydynamics.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:42:06 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Ogren, Eric C." To: "'freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: open documentation summit report from oreilly.com Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:41:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all- Just saw this link on LinuxToday. It basically just talks about issues surrounding DocBook and XML, but is interesting to read. http://www.oreilly.com/frank/oscon_summit.html Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 11:32:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9DB37BB6B; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:32:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA97585; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:32:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:32:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007181832.LAA97585@freefall.freebsd.org> To: s.c.sprong@student.utwente.nl, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/19401: Change attribution of the 'yes command' Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Change attribution of the 'yes command' State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Tue Jul 18 11:32:14 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19401 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 12: 0:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A9B37B9C3; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:00:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EcR0-000DUn-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:49:38 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EcQz-000KHR-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:49:37 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:49:37 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: doc@FreeBSD.org, nik@FreeBSD.org Subject: Using entities from authors.ent in the FAQ Message-ID: <20000718194937.E4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="aDj5WtVma0yWCzS8" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --aDj5WtVma0yWCzS8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As the subject says, how do I use entities from authors.ent in the FAQ? Just adding %authors; works, but is it the "right" way? thanks, --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --aDj5WtVma0yWCzS8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: v1MQWFUaCUZPXTNfKjysWnGO+o0IvrZV iQCVAwUBOXSmwSsPVtiZOS99AQGdpAP/YOtj7yBsfTylkk9JJxDw2XJGFlfL5Za3 lGkG8lmCZA7I8SlXGV7S3VYvfd2En7up7hizq2kGGd/TmVoUgIASet13ieNxRd2l x6E+tQaBnelWRhK62o12iegWKFGoJYxrsIvIYhG8IyjEBNCOVTnobck7JSamhn0Y U27KxyvWO6c= =cR0N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --aDj5WtVma0yWCzS8-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 12: 7:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7158037B95B; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:07:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@pike.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA45886; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:07:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) From: John Baldwin Message-Id: <200007181907.MAA45886@pike.osd.bsdi.com> Subject: Re: Using entities from authors.ent in the FAQ In-Reply-To: <20000718194937.E4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> from Ben Smithurst at "Jul 18, 2000 07:49:37 pm" To: Ben Smithurst Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL68 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > As the subject says, how do I use entities from authors.ent in the FAQ? > Just adding > > > %authors; > > works, but is it the "right" way? Looks like it. Look at how the handbook does it and just copy that. > thanks, > > -- > Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D > FreeBSD Documentation Project / -- John Baldwin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 12: 9:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [206.79.44.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C0037B9CE for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:09:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13235; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:06:57 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:06:57 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: "Ogren, Eric C." Cc: "'freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: Re: open documentation summit report from oreilly.com Message-ID: <20000718190657.A13216@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from ecogren@rsasecurity.com on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 01:41:59PM -0400 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 01:41:59PM -0400, Ogren, Eric C. wrote: > Just saw this link on LinuxToday. It basically just talks about > issues surrounding DocBook and XML, but is interesting to read. > > http://www.oreilly.com/frank/oscon_summit.html It also misrepresents some of what I said (in particular, I'm not that technically clueless -- "DocBook is the only markup to allow multiple languages" for crying out loud). I'm trying to get that changed. There should be something a bit more concrete to talk about by the end of the week. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 12: 9:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [206.79.44.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E598137BA4E; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:09:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13276; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:10:04 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:10:04 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Ben Smithurst Cc: Udo Erdelhoff , Alexander Langer , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/19997: [PATCH] Addition of info about debug kernels to the FAQ Message-ID: <20000718191004.B13216@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200007181250.FAA88127@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000718145850.A18498@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000718140525.P4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718165725.L32297@nathan.ruhr.de> <20000718165342.Z4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000718165342.Z4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 04:53:42PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 04:53:42PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > I've got another big change lined up for the FAQ, which will probably > annoy translators. :-( It converts to something > which is actually good ( or ). As long as stuff like this doesn't mix in with other content commits it should be fine. Just provide a sufficiently informative log message so that the translators realise there's no actual translation to be done. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 12:10:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C895D37BA5F for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id MAA03574; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007181910.MAA03574@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Doug White Subject: Re: docs/20002: PicoBSD - Markup Tags within Title Tag Reply-To: Doug White Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20002; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Doug White To: Ben Smithurst Cc: bonk1138@msn.com, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/20002: PicoBSD - Markup Tags within Title Tag Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:06:17 -0700 (PDT) On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Ben Smithurst wrote: > bonk1138@msn.com wrote: > > >> Fix: > > su-2.04# diff how2build.html how2build.html.new > > 4c4 > > < <center>PicoBSD Development Kit</center> > > --- > >> PicoBSD Development Kit > > In general, unified diffs are preferred ("diff -u"), but in this case it > doesn't matter much. > > To the people on freebsd-small mailing list: may I commit this? The > problem is that Netscape doesn't understand tags within > , so they appear literally in the title bar. This is only half the battle... you need to Peter-ify the config properly, e.g. create appropriate hints files in /boot and so forth. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 12:10:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2ECD37B513 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id MAA03565; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007181910.MAA03565@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Reply-To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20009; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:17:30 +0100 brooks@one-eyed-alien.net wrote: > People are confused by all the refrences on hackers, etc. to the color > of bikesheds. There should be a FAQ about this. I'm starting to think we'll need a "FreeBSD Jargon" section of the FAQ soon. We'd only really have four things to put it in for now though (MFC, repo-copy, bike shed, fairings) so I don't think it's worth it yet. OTOH, the kernel config part only has four questions, so perhaps we could. > + <para>"What is it about this bike shed ?" Some of you have I'd use “...” instead of "..." [I think that's right, it's either &[lr]dquo; or <quote>, not ".." anyway. I think the last agreement was &[lr]dquo;.] > + paying attention, that he is *here*.</para> Perhaps <emphasis>foo</emphasis> instead of *foo*, or something. The FAQ isn't limited to ASCII text like email is. :-) Other than that, this should probably go in the FAQ soon. I'll fix those minor things and maybe commit it soonish. /me adds it to TODO list. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 12:14:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr2.ruhr.de [141.39.224.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3835A37BB30 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:14:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 94746 invoked by alias); 18 Jul 2000 19:15:39 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA55239 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:54:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ue) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:54:46 +0200 From: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/19997: [PATCH] Addition of info about debug kernels to the FAQ Message-ID: <20000718205446.P32297@nathan.ruhr.de> Reply-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200007181250.FAA88127@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000718145850.A18498@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000718140525.P4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718165725.L32297@nathan.ruhr.de> <20000718165342.Z4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000718165342.Z4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 04:53:42PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 04:53:42PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > I've got another big change lined up for the FAQ, which will probably > annoy translators. :-( In other words, it's possible to throw *you* to the wolves and to slip the whitespace changes in while they're distracted? :-) > If the anchor is wrong, look at the netstat output in the "Ppp won't > dial in -auto mode" question. That's another problem with the current FAQ: We need a set of rules or requirement for new entries. Somethink like: - Submit a complete, sgmlizied entry or - submit plain text and find a brave soul to sgmlize it - Follow the formatting rules defined in Chapter 10.1 of the FDP - Supply a usuable anchor for your entry. In that case, we'll need some of kind of organisation for the anchors (i.e. the anchor for a question in the ppp chapter must start with ppp.) - Review by a natural speaker, especially for people like me (who commit[1] english instead of speaking or writing it) > Nik said "be ruthless", so I'm going to take that as approval. :-) In that case, he'll just love one of my current projects... <veg> BTW, what's the maximum number of characters in a single line? > I'll leave it until 4.1 is out the door though, just in case. Sounds like a good idea. /s/Udo [1] As in committing a crime... -- Q: What do you get when you cross James Dean with Ronald Reagan? A: A rebel without a clue. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 12:14:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from 2711.dynacom.net (2711.dynacom.net [206.107.213.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2198537BA42 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:14:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kstewart@urx.com) Received: from urx.com (dsl1-160.dynacom.net [206.159.132.160]) by 2711.dynacom.net (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00314; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:14:33 -0700 Message-ID: <3974ACA5.EEBA4B47@urx.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:14:45 -0700 From: Kent Stewart <kstewart@urx.com> Reply-To: kstewart@urx.com Organization: Dynacom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Make install error in fdp-primer References: <3973C061.32A63613@urx.com> <20000718145414.I32297@nathan.ruhr.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 07:26:41PM -0700, Kent Stewart wrote: > > I can do a make from /usr/doc now but an install dies in fdp-primer. > > The only reason why you're able to do a make is the presence of some old > files. Try to do a make clean; make all and you'll see what I'm talking > about. The bug that saves you at the moment is the lack of decent > dependecies. > > The build process should build compressed versions of the > html files. Right now, it doesn't know to build them. The old versions > are still around and are accpepted because the Makefiles don't know > that foo.html.gz must be rebuilt if foo.html is newer than foo.html.gz. Actually, I did a make clean. Nik commented on Questions yesterday that he had added mods to fix the compressed problem and the "co" problem that I was seeing. He also pointed out that he didn't follow -questions, which is why I am here. If I'm going to follow the doc-proj, I should comment on problems on this list. > > That's one of the reasons why I'm using my own build environment for > single articles. It's defininig its own set of suffix rules. In other > words, I have implicit dependencies: files that need to be rebuild will > be rebuild and files that don't need to rebuild won't be rebuild. As > It Should Be(TM). The dependancies are a problem. If you have some old files around, you don't get a complete build. That would be the equivalent of dependancy testing the source and obj code but never checking timestamp of the linked program. That is why the *.gz problem didn't appear for many until they did a make clean. > > On the other hand, I'm only generating the .html and .html.gz files at > the moment. Expanding the suffix rules to cover all the over formats > will be a pain in the butt. Expanding them to cover the book case will > be really interesting (i.e., an even bigger pain in the butt). That is my main interest. I have the a docs folder on my KDE desktop, which is just a simple link to the en_* articles and books directories. A couple of clicks and I have the HTML files being browsed by KDE. I have done diagnostic programming support for many years and I have found the mind is very good at seeing what it wants to see and not what is really there. Copying something from a printed page produces this style of errors. It wouldn be so bad if we could reliably see our own typo's when we are typing the text. Instead, we utter foul words and whack our forehead when someone else points out the problem :). > > > I couldn't find where this is occuring but the png's are in > > imagelib/callouts and that isn't were the make file is trying to > > install them from. > > That's easy: > cd /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/fdp-primer > ln -s imagelib/callouts . > mkdir /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/fdp-primer/callouts > > and restart your make install. That's too easy. I was thinking along the lines of understanding the makes. But, I have done the links before with some of the ports where I had to link include directories for X11. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ Bomber dropping fire retardant in front of Hanford Wild fire. http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/bomber.jpg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 12:20: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22BA37B94C for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id MAA04706; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007181920.MAA04706@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Brooks Davis <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net> Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Reply-To: Brooks Davis <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20009; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Brooks Davis <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Cc: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net, FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:18:49 -0700 On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 07:17:30PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > brooks@one-eyed-alien.net wrote: > > > People are confused by all the refrences on hackers, etc. to the color > > of bikesheds. There should be a FAQ about this. > > I'm starting to think we'll need a "FreeBSD Jargon" section of the FAQ > soon. We'd only really have four things to put it in for now though > (MFC, repo-copy, bike shed, fairings) so I don't think it's worth it > yet. OTOH, the kernel config part only has four questions, so perhaps > we could. That might not be a bad idea. The question in my mind is where do glossary entries stop (MFC and repo-copy seem to me to be those) and where do FAQ entries begin (bikeshed and fairings have significant context in their defination). > > + <para>"What is it about this bike shed ?" Some of you have > > I'd use “...” instead of "..." > > [I think that's right, it's either &[lr]dquo; or <quote>, not ".." > anyway. I think the last agreement was &[lr]dquo;.] I'm almost certain it was decided to do it the other way so quote characters would be automagicaly matched and localized properly. The problem was that quote styles aren't even consistant withing the same language. For instance, I've got at least one book published in the UK that uses quotes that look kinda like >>foo bar baz<< (except there are specific quote characters. > > + paying attention, that he is *here*.</para> > > Perhaps <emphasis>foo</emphasis> instead of *foo*, or something. The > FAQ isn't limited to ASCII text like email is. :-) I though of doing that, but it's quoted text. We could do that, but I'd want to be sure that the * (or similar) emphasis marks where being added in the text version. I don't know what w3m does. > Other than that, this should probably go in the FAQ soon. I'll fix > those minor things and maybe commit it soonish. Thinking about it some more, I think I'd also strike the <title> text from the blockquote. It's redundent and the rendering in HTML looks kinda stupid IMHO. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 12:35:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from monica.et.bocholt.fh-gelsenkirchen.de (monica.et.bocholt.fh-gelsenkirchen.de [193.175.197.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DBB937BAEA; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:35:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hank@musashi.et.bocholt.fh-ge.de) Received: from musashi.et.bocholt.fh-ge.de (reserve.et.bocholt.fh-gelsenkirchen.de [193.175.197.95] (may be forged)) by monica.et.bocholt.fh-gelsenkirchen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17851; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:35:35 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.et.bocholt.fh-ge.de [127.0.0.1]) by musashi.et.bocholt.fh-ge.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA56714; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:36:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hank@musashi.et.bocholt.fh-ge.de) Message-Id: <200007181936.VAA56714@musashi.et.bocholt.fh-ge.de> To: Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why don't I get the tutorials with the DOC distribution? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:23:32 -0000." <20000718032332.A2747@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:36:14 +0200 From: Dirk GOUDERS <hank@et.bocholt.fh-gelsenkirchen.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik, > The primer is in the books/ directory in the CVS tree. > > > > However, note that the FTP directory above also contains the > > > documentation > > > in FreeBSD package format, so you can use the pkg_* commands > > > to add them, update them, and so on. > > > > Again, I cannot find docproj-primer* there. > > I'm not online at the moment. I'll get back to you on that. in case you missed the reply from Eric Ogren, he already helped me to solve my problem. What I didn't catch by myself was that the directory docproj-primer has been moved to another directory (books) and been renamed to fdp-primer. Given that info I was able to find anything I wanted under ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/fdp-primer/ I don't want to make excuses, but maybe the thing that misleaded me was the fact that the name of the directory on the web site is still docproj-primer: http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/docproj-primer/book.html Dirk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 13: 8:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from 2711.dynacom.net (2711.dynacom.net [206.107.213.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 734B237BA3F; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:08:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kstewart@urx.com) Received: from urx.com (dsl1-160.dynacom.net [206.159.132.160]) by 2711.dynacom.net (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00498; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:08:46 -0700 Message-ID: <3974B95A.73720DD0@urx.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:08:58 -0700 From: Kent Stewart <kstewart@urx.com> Reply-To: kstewart@urx.com Organization: Dynacom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Make install error in fdp-primer References: <3973C061.32A63613@urx.com> <20000718165822.C2747@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 07:26:41PM -0700, Kent Stewart wrote: > > I can do a make from /usr/doc now but an install dies in fdp-primer. > > Yeah, I know. I'm fixing this at the moment. Well, you did get me subscribed to this list :). I joke that Murphy makes sure that if there are problems, I will probably see a few of them. He doesn't let me see all of them because that would make it too easy for the maintainers. He also saves the really terrible ones for newbies. As Udo pointed out, the dependancies don't appear to be quite right. It also seems to be a generic problems from my end but I haven't tried everything. The GNU make is strange looking to me, which keeps me from generating a diff. The Unix systems I been on had make generators that took care of you. They don't understand *docs*. For example, I could get past the *.gz problem by doing a make as many times as there are files to be generated. The *.gz files didn't appear to be tested for in the dependancies. Right now the make files are too modular for me but I'll get used to that. The make dependancy problem creates the dueling fingers syndrome where I could do something but it would fail for someone else. The dueling fingers are where you point at the other guy and say it is his problem because it worked for you. FWIW, I believe in the doc-proj. When your system breaks down, you can't depend on an online connection for documentation. I cvsup my docs more often that I do the ports. I also have programs that will print HTML as the author intended and the browser's typically do a terrible job. Cheers, Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ Bomber dropping fire retardant in front of Hanford Wild fire. http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/bomber.jpg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 13:40:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mout1.silyn-tek.de (mout1.silyn-tek.de [194.25.165.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C668437B8EB; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:40:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from [192.168.32.34] (helo=mx2.silyn-tek.de) by mout1.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13EeAL-0006v1-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:40:33 +0200 Received: from p3e9c114a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([62.156.17.74] helo=neutron.cichlids.com) by mx2.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13EeAJ-00005o-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:40:32 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C31B4AB91; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:42:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0BC1214A67; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:40:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:40:32 +0200 To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Message-ID: <20000718224032.A38065@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <200007181910.MAA03565@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200007181910.MAA03565@freefall.freebsd.org>; from ben@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 12:10:02PM -0700 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. From: alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Ben Smithurst (ben@FreeBSD.ORG): > > + <para>"What is it about this bike shed ?" Some of you have > I'd use “...” instead of "..." Actually, Jim commited mega-patches some weeks ago to the handbook, which changed that to <quote></quote> Alex -- cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 14: 0:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC4D37B634 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:00:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EdNT-000Dda-00 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:50:03 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EdNT-0000Wu-00 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:50:03 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:50:03 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/19997: [PATCH] Addition of info about debug kernels to the FAQ Message-ID: <20000718205003.L4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <200007181250.FAA88127@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000718145850.A18498@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000718140525.P4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718165725.L32297@nathan.ruhr.de> <20000718165342.Z4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718205446.P32297@nathan.ruhr.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WdPYQQQ4lIWZ4ZWi" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000718205446.P32297@nathan.ruhr.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --WdPYQQQ4lIWZ4ZWi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > In that case, he'll just love one of my current projects... <veg> Which is? My Things To Do for the FAQ include: * fix <literallayout>, it's crap (done, will commit after 4.1) * fix all sorts of bogus quoting. "foo", 'foo', `foo', ``foo'', “foo” should probably be changed to <quote>foo</quote> in most cases. I'm guilty of adding one of the last type since I forgot that <quote> was the Right Way[tm]. * indent properly. ben@magnesium:~/bsdwork/FAQ$ wc -l book.sgml 9714 book.sgml ok, maybe not. :-/ Depends how much I feel like doing this. --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --WdPYQQQ4lIWZ4ZWi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: WXX6e+JLivTGKS9AU+bzbPdLjpnvGAmY iQCVAwUBOXS06SsPVtiZOS99AQH78wQAhW9ikhdp4h+lYczu4mP1bPsRlVYCSZr5 1KT/XuFqD9rGjF/4lT87EeMd570pHka+ExiyGYZrVvOukVMnH5TAMekkYWINKpTZ wwqW4CwCELKe0VmD8VPedqI57c7Wat9PMix2RUtmg2jiGE6kLAi8kVvjkvOcjNMk K4LExPf1dKk= =xWf2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WdPYQQQ4lIWZ4ZWi-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 14:10: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8EE37BB23 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA20353; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007182110.OAA20353@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Reply-To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20009; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: Brooks Davis <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net> Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:42:58 +0100 Brooks Davis wrote: > I'm almost certain it was decided to do it the other way so quote > characters would be automagicaly matched and localized properly. yep, you're right. I just checked some CVS logs. That means a couple of things I added recently are wrong. I guess I could put &[lr]dquo; -> <quote></quote> on my list of things to cleanup in the FAQ then. As well as "foo", 'foo', `foo', ``foo'', and $DEITY only knows how many other quoting styles are used. >>> + paying attention, that he is *here*.</para> >> >> Perhaps <emphasis>foo</emphasis> instead of *foo*, or something. The >> FAQ isn't limited to ASCII text like email is. :-) > > I though of doing that, but it's quoted text. We could do that, but > I'd want to be sure that the * (or similar) emphasis marks where being > added in the text version. I don't know what w3m does. It doesn't add "*" in the text version. How important is that? I'd argue that removing that is just changing formatting and is no worse than re-wrapping the lines or changing "foo" to <quote>foo</quote>. *foo* is going to come out real ugly in HTML. :-( -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 14:10:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E4E37BB40 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA20362; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8A337B8EB for <FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:01:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) id e6IL1r257396; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:01:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200007182101.e6IL1r257396@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:01:53 -0700 (PDT) From: bmah@cisco.com (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@cisco.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/20015: [patch] Updates for src/release/i386/RELNOTES.TXT Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 20015 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [patch] Updates for src/release/i386/RELNOTES.TXT >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Jul 18 14:10:03 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Bruce A. Mah >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386 >Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. >Environment: RELENG_4 >Description: The attached patch corrects the following (IMHO) problems in the i386 release notes on the RELENG_4 branch. Some of these might also be appropriate for 5-current and/or the Alpha as well. To wit: 1. Correct FTP site for 4.0-stable snapshots and delete sentence fragment immediately following. 2. Add FDDI section to table of contents (see #5 below) and add one line of whitespace. 3. In userland section, document csh->tcsh, more->less, and colorized ls. 4. In Ethernet section, do: s/gigabit ethernet/Gigabit Ethernet/ s/fast ethernet/Fast Ethernet/ s/ethernet/Ethernet/ 5. Pull DEC DEFPA/DEFEA *FDDI* cards out of the *Ethernet* section and into their own second-level section. 6. Add missing period in section header in ATM section. 7. Tweak upgrading sectio with some new text, not sure if this is much better though. 8. Add a blurb about the -stable mailing list. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Index: RELNOTES.TXT =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/src/release/texts/i386/RELNOTES.TXT,v retrieving revision 1.72.2.13 diff -c -r1.72.2.13 RELNOTES.TXT *** RELNOTES.TXT 2000/07/16 02:06:44 1.72.2.13 --- RELNOTES.TXT 2000/07/18 21:00:14 *************** *** 12,21 **** For the latest of these 4.0-stable snapshots, you should always see: ! ftp://current.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD - If you wish to get the latest post-4.0-RELEASE technology. - Table of contents: ------------------ 1. What's new since 4.0-RELEASE --- 12,19 ---- For the latest of these 4.0-stable snapshots, you should always see: ! ftp://releng4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD Table of contents: ------------------ 1. What's new since 4.0-RELEASE *************** *** 26,33 **** 2. Supported Configurations 2.1 Disk Controllers 2.2 Ethernet cards ! 2.3 ATM ! 2.4 Misc 3. Obtaining FreeBSD 3.1 FTP/Mail --- 24,32 ---- 2. Supported Configurations 2.1 Disk Controllers 2.2 Ethernet cards ! 2.3 FDDI ! 2.4 ATM ! 2.5 Misc 3. Obtaining FreeBSD 3.1 FTP/Mail *************** *** 36,41 **** --- 35,41 ---- 4. Upgrading from previous releases of FreeBSD 5. Reporting problems, making suggestions, submitting code + 6. Acknowledgements *************** *** 99,104 **** --- 99,113 ---- libfetch instead of libftpio, which means that the pkg tools have gained HTTP support, and both have gained IPv6 support. + The csh(1) shell has been replaced by tcsh(1), although it can still + be run as csh(1). + + The more(1) command has been replaced by less(1), although it can still + be run as more(1). + + ls(1) can produce colorized listings with the -G flag (and appropriate + terminal support). + 2. Supported Configurations --------------------------- FreeBSD currently runs on a wide variety of ISA, VLB, EISA, MCA and PCI *************** *** 243,250 **** 2.2. Ethernet cards ------------------- ! Adaptec Duralink PCI fast ethernet adapters based on the Adaptec ! AIC-6915 fast ethernet controller chip, including the following: ANA-62011 64-bit single port 10/100baseTX adapter ANA-62022 64-bit dual port 10/100baseTX adapter ANA-62044 64-bit quad port 10/100baseTX adapter --- 252,259 ---- 2.2. Ethernet cards ------------------- ! Adaptec Duralink PCI Fast Ethernet adapters based on the Adaptec ! AIC-6915 Fast Ethernet controller chip, including the following: ANA-62011 64-bit single port 10/100baseTX adapter ANA-62022 64-bit dual port 10/100baseTX adapter ANA-62044 64-bit quad port 10/100baseTX adapter *************** *** 253,259 **** Allied-Telesis AT1700 and RE2000 cards ! Alteon Networks PCI gigabit ethernet NICs based on the Tigon 1 and Tigon 2 chipsets, including the following: Alteon AceNIC (Tigon 1 and 2) 3Com 3c985-SX (Tigon 1 and 2) --- 262,268 ---- Allied-Telesis AT1700 and RE2000 cards ! Alteon Networks PCI Gigabit Ethernet NICs based on the Tigon 1 and Tigon 2 chipsets, including the following: Alteon AceNIC (Tigon 1 and 2) 3Com 3c985-SX (Tigon 1 and 2) *************** *** 264,274 **** AMD PCnet/PCI (79c970 & 53c974 or 79c974) ! SMC Elite 16 WD8013 ethernet interface, and most other WD8003E, WD8003EBT, WD8003W, WD8013W, WD8003S, WD8003SBT and WD8013EBT based clones. SMC Elite Ultra. SMC Etherpower II. ! RealTek 8129/8139 fast ethernet NICs including the following: Allied Telesyn AT2550 Allied Telesyn AT2500TX Genius GF100TXR (RTL8139) --- 273,283 ---- AMD PCnet/PCI (79c970 & 53c974 or 79c974) ! SMC Elite 16 WD8013 Ethernet interface, and most other WD8003E, WD8003EBT, WD8003W, WD8013W, WD8003S, WD8003SBT and WD8013EBT based clones. SMC Elite Ultra. SMC Etherpower II. ! RealTek 8129/8139 Fast Ethernet NICs including the following: Allied Telesyn AT2550 Allied Telesyn AT2500TX Genius GF100TXR (RTL8139) *************** *** 280,316 **** Accton "Cheetah" EN1027D (MPX 5030/5038; RealTek 8139 clone?) SMC EZ Card 10/100 PCI 1211-TX ! Lite-On 82c168/82c169 PNIC fast ethernet NICs including the following: LinkSys EtherFast LNE100TX NetGear FA310-TX Rev. D1 Matrox FastNIC 10/100 Kingston KNE110TX ! Macronix 98713, 98713A, 98715, 98715A and 98725 fast ethernet NICs NDC Communications SFA100A (98713A) CNet Pro120A (98713 or 98713A) CNet Pro120B (98715) SVEC PN102TX (98713) ! Macronix/Lite-On PNIC II LC82C115 fast ethernet NICs including the following: LinkSys EtherFast LNE100TX Version 2 ! Winbond W89C840F fast ethernet NICs including the following: Trendware TE100-PCIE ! VIA Technologies VT3043 "Rhine I" and VT86C100A "Rhine II" fast ethernet NICs including the following: Hawking Technologies PN102TX D-Link DFE-530TX AOpen/Acer ALN-320 ! Silicon Integrated Systems SiS 900 and SiS 7016 PCI fast ethernet NICs ! Sundance Technologies ST201 PCI fast ethernet NICs including the following: D-Link DFE-550TX ! SysKonnect SK-984x PCI gigabit ethernet cards including the following: SK-9841 1000baseLX single mode fiber, single port SK-9842 1000baseSX multimode fiber, single port SK-9843 1000baseLX single mode fiber, dual port --- 289,325 ---- Accton "Cheetah" EN1027D (MPX 5030/5038; RealTek 8139 clone?) SMC EZ Card 10/100 PCI 1211-TX ! Lite-On 82c168/82c169 PNIC Fast Ethernet NICs including the following: LinkSys EtherFast LNE100TX NetGear FA310-TX Rev. D1 Matrox FastNIC 10/100 Kingston KNE110TX ! Macronix 98713, 98713A, 98715, 98715A and 98725 Fast Ethernet NICs NDC Communications SFA100A (98713A) CNet Pro120A (98713 or 98713A) CNet Pro120B (98715) SVEC PN102TX (98713) ! Macronix/Lite-On PNIC II LC82C115 Fast Ethernet NICs including the following: LinkSys EtherFast LNE100TX Version 2 ! Winbond W89C840F Fast Ethernet NICs including the following: Trendware TE100-PCIE ! VIA Technologies VT3043 "Rhine I" and VT86C100A "Rhine II" Fast Ethernet NICs including the following: Hawking Technologies PN102TX D-Link DFE-530TX AOpen/Acer ALN-320 ! Silicon Integrated Systems SiS 900 and SiS 7016 PCI Fast Ethernet NICs ! Sundance Technologies ST201 PCI Fast Ethernet NICs including the following: D-Link DFE-550TX ! SysKonnect SK-984x PCI Gigabit Ethernet cards including the following: SK-9841 1000baseLX single mode fiber, single port SK-9842 1000baseSX multimode fiber, single port SK-9843 1000baseLX single mode fiber, dual port *************** *** 324,344 **** Racore 8165 10/100baseTX Racore 8148 10baseT/100baseTX/100baseFX multi-personality ! ADMtek Inc. AL981-based PCI fast ethernet NICs ! ADMtek Inc. AN985-based PCI fast ethernet NICs ! ADMtek Inc. AN986-based USB ethernet NICs including the following: LinkSys USB100TX Billionton USB100 Melco Inc. LU-ATX D-Link DSB-650TX SMC 2202USB ! CATC USB-EL1210A-based USB ethernet NICs including the following: CATC Netmate CATC Netmate II Belkin F5U111 ! Kawasaki LSI KU5KUSB101B-based USB ethernet NICs including the following: LinkSys USB10T Entrega NET-USB-E45 --- 333,353 ---- Racore 8165 10/100baseTX Racore 8148 10baseT/100baseTX/100baseFX multi-personality ! ADMtek Inc. AL981-based PCI Fast Ethernet NICs ! ADMtek Inc. AN985-based PCI Fast Ethernet NICs ! ADMtek Inc. AN986-based USB Ethernet NICs including the following: LinkSys USB100TX Billionton USB100 Melco Inc. LU-ATX D-Link DSB-650TX SMC 2202USB ! CATC USB-EL1210A-based USB Ethernet NICs including the following: CATC Netmate CATC Netmate II Belkin F5U111 ! Kawasaki LSI KU5KUSB101B-based USB Ethernet NICs including the following: LinkSys USB10T Entrega NET-USB-E45 *************** *** 359,367 **** DEC EtherWORKS III NICs (DE203, DE204, and DE205) DEC EtherWORKS II NICs (DE200, DE201, DE202, and DE422) DEC DC21040, DC21041, or DC21140 based NICs (SMC Etherpower 8432T, DE245, etc) - DEC FDDI (DEFPA/DEFEA) NICs ! Davicom DM9100 and DM9102 PCI fast ethernet NICs, including the following: Jaton Corporation XpressNet --- 368,375 ---- DEC EtherWORKS III NICs (DE203, DE204, and DE205) DEC EtherWORKS II NICs (DE200, DE201, DE202, and DE422) DEC DC21040, DC21041, or DC21140 based NICs (SMC Etherpower 8432T, DE245, etc) ! Davicom DM9100 and DM9102 PCI Fast Ethernet NICs, including the following: Jaton Corporation XpressNet *************** *** 378,384 **** Isolan AT 4141-0 (16 bit) Isolink 4110 (8 bit) ! Novell NE1000, NE2000, and NE2100 ethernet interface. PCI network cards emulating the NE2000: RealTek 8029, NetVin 5000, Winbond W89C940, Surecom NE-34, VIA VT86C926. --- 386,392 ---- Isolan AT 4141-0 (16 bit) Isolink 4110 (8 bit) ! Novell NE1000, NE2000, and NE2100 Ethernet interface. PCI network cards emulating the NE2000: RealTek 8029, NetVin 5000, Winbond W89C940, Surecom NE-34, VIA VT86C926. *************** *** 400,406 **** 3Com 3cSOHO100-TX OfficeConnect adapter ! Toshiba ethernet cards Crystal Semiconductor CS89x0-based NICs, including: IBM Etherjet ISA --- 408,414 ---- 3Com 3cSOHO100-TX OfficeConnect adapter ! Toshiba Ethernet cards Crystal Semiconductor CS89x0-based NICs, including: IBM Etherjet ISA *************** *** 432,440 **** Telecom Device SuperSocket RE450T Megahertz X-Jack Ethernet PC-Card CC-10BT ! 2.3 ATM ! ------- o ATM Host Interfaces - FORE Systems, Inc. PCA-200E ATM PCI Adapters --- 440,454 ---- Telecom Device SuperSocket RE450T Megahertz X-Jack Ethernet PC-Card CC-10BT + + 2.3. FDDI + --------- + + DEC FDDI (DEFPA/DEFEA) NICs + ! 2.4. ATM ! -------- o ATM Host Interfaces - FORE Systems, Inc. PCA-200E ATM PCI Adapters *************** *** 460,466 **** o ATM Sockets interface ! 2.4. Misc --------- AST 4 port serial card using shared IRQ. --- 474,480 ---- o ATM Sockets interface ! 2.5. Misc --------- AST 4 port serial card using shared IRQ. *************** *** 593,606 **** ---------------------------------------------- If you're upgrading from a previous release of FreeBSD, most likely ! it's 3.0 and some of the following issues may affect you, depending of course on your chosen method of upgrading. There are two popular ways of upgrading FreeBSD distributions: o Using sources, via /usr/src o Using sysinstall's (binary) upgrade option. ! Please read the UPGRADE.TXT file for more information. 5. Reporting problems, making suggestions, submitting code. --- 607,621 ---- ---------------------------------------------- If you're upgrading from a previous release of FreeBSD, most likely ! it's 3.0 and there may be some issues affecting you, depending of course on your chosen method of upgrading. There are two popular ways of upgrading FreeBSD distributions: o Using sources, via /usr/src o Using sysinstall's (binary) upgrade option. ! Please read the UPGRADE.TXT file for more information, preferably ! before beginning an upgrade. 5. Reporting problems, making suggestions, submitting code. *************** *** 634,639 **** --- 649,662 ---- Otherwise, for any questions or tech support issues, please send mail to: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org + + + If you're tracking the -stable development efforts, you should + definitely join the -stable mailing list, in order to keep abreast + of recent developments and changes that may affect the way you + use and maintain the system: + + freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Additionally, being a volunteer effort, we are always happy to have >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 14:20:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6849737B694 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:20:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA21462; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:20:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007182120.OAA21462@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Brooks Davis <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net> Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Reply-To: Brooks Davis <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20009; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Brooks Davis <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Brooks Davis <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net>, FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:13:39 -0700 On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 08:42:58PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > >>> + paying attention, that he is *here*.</para> > >> > >> Perhaps <emphasis>foo</emphasis> instead of *foo*, or something. The > >> FAQ isn't limited to ASCII text like email is. :-) > > > > I though of doing that, but it's quoted text. We could do that, but > > I'd want to be sure that the * (or similar) emphasis marks where being > > added in the text version. I don't know what w3m does. > > It doesn't add "*" in the text version. How important is that? I'd > argue that removing that is just changing formatting and is no worse > than re-wrapping the lines or changing "foo" to <quote>foo</quote>. > *foo* is going to come out real ugly in HTML. :-( I guess that's reasionable. I'd say it's a bug that emphasis is dropped in the ASCII mode, but that you're right in that we should either clean the text up to look like normaly formatted DocBook text or include it in the DocBook equivalent of <pre> tags. There's a cleaned up diff with "'s and *'s replaced at: http://www.one-eyed-alien.net/~brooks/FreeBSD/bikeshed.diff -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 15:49:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr2.ruhr.de [141.39.224.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 991DD37B5C3 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:49:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 23043 invoked by alias); 18 Jul 2000 22:50:54 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA56685 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:47:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ue) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:47:25 +0200 From: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/19997: [PATCH] Addition of info about debug kernels to the FAQ Message-ID: <20000719004725.S32297@nathan.ruhr.de> References: <200007181250.FAA88127@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000718145850.A18498@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000718140525.P4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718165725.L32297@nathan.ruhr.de> <20000718165342.Z4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718205446.P32297@nathan.ruhr.de> <20000718205003.L4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000718205003.L4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 08:50:03PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 08:50:03PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > > > In that case, he'll just love one of my current projects... <veg> > > Which is? A pair of perl script that commit a couple constructive atrocities to the formatting of a valid sgml source :-) They're really ugly hacks but they get the formatting almost right. For example, they manages to turn this: ------------------------------- snip here ------------------------------ <qandaentry><question> <para>Which file do I download to get FreeBSD?</para></question><answer> <para>Prior to release 3.1, you only needed one floppy image to install FreeBSD, namely <filename>floppies/boot.flp</filename>. However, since release 3.1 the Project has added base support for a wide variety of hardware which needed more space, and thus for 3.x and 4.x we now use two floppy images, namely <filename>floppies/kernel.flp</filename> and <filename>floppies/mfsroot.flp</filename>. These images need to be copied onto floppies by tools like <command>fdimage</command> or &man.dd.1;.</para> <para>If you need to download the distributions yourself (for a DOS filesystem install, for instance), below are some recommendations for distributions to grab:</para> <itemizedlist> <listitem> <para> bin/</para> </listitem> [...] ------------------------------- snip here ------------------------------ into this: ------------------------------- snip here ------------------------------ <qandaentry> <question> <para>Which file do I download to get FreeBSD?</para> </question> <answer> <para>Prior to release 3.1, you only needed one floppy image to install FreeBSD, namely <filename>floppies/boot.flp</filename>. However, since release 3.1 the Project has added base support for a wide variety of hardware which needed more space, and thus for 3.x and 4.x we now use two floppy images, namely <filename>floppies/kernel.flp</filename> and <filename>floppies/mfsroot.flp</filename>. These images need to be copied onto floppies by tools like <command>fdimage</command> or &man.dd.1;.</para> <para>If you need to download the distributions yourself (for a DOS filesystem install, for instance), below are some recommendations for distributions to grab:</para> <itemizedlist> <listitem> <para> bin/</para> </listitem> [...] ------------------------------- snip here ------------------------------ In the actual FAQ context, each line would have 6 additional spaces in front of it. Running time for the first book.sgml: About 7 seconds on My AMD K6-3 400 :-) It doesn't really matter if the input is properly formatted or not - the script takes every single bit of formatting, drops it into the trash bin and reformats. <programlisting>, <literallayout> and <screen> elements are preserved, of course. > * indent properly. Consider it done. /s/Udo -- He who findeth sensuous pleasures in the bodies of lush, hot, pink damsels is not righteous, but he can have a lot more fun. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 16: 1:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60EE37BBD3 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:01:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13Eegq-000DnM-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:14:08 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13Eegq-0004Me-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:14:08 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:14:08 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: Alexander Langer <alex@big.endian.de> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Message-ID: <20000718221408.N4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <200007181910.MAA03565@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000718224032.A38065@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bg/E/yN4pR4or5qL" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000718224032.A38065@cichlids.cichlids.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --bg/E/yN4pR4or5qL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alexander Langer wrote: > Thus spake Ben Smithurst (ben@FreeBSD.ORG): >=20 >>> + <para>"What is it about this bike shed ?" Some of you have >> I'd use “...” instead of "..." >=20 > Actually, Jim commited mega-patches some weeks ago to the handbook, > which changed that to <quote></quote> yep, I've since remember I got that the wrong way round. I plan to do something similar to the FAQ, but I'll wait until 4.1 is done with first. --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --bg/E/yN4pR4or5qL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: OOeJBKBSGNHTjKguDKCmbEsb7ePCBBO4 iQCVAwUBOXTInysPVtiZOS99AQGkOwP/aTB5qAPeYbqqrCh+8GkpkHFGcST7CA4L +gYhW6QN6nQlYzsyQ9KOHeOKChQL7PYPe1ygT6IGA6LNSji9+AkYv6mkjiQbeee5 WjDYKW8WpV5fY8ooq42cnba83GCxf5zm2scGI6x5E8VtAxfeL4bnBBCOWGuVK3SQ 6EF0EKUhatw= =1tXa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bg/E/yN4pR4or5qL-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 16: 1:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D239037BBD3 for <doc@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:01:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EfPQ-000Dpd-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:00:12 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13EfPQ-000EFY-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:00:12 +0100 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:00:12 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: John Baldwin <jhb@pike.osd.bsdi.com> Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Using entities from authors.ent in the FAQ Message-ID: <20000718230012.Q4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20000718194937.E4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <200007181907.MAA45886@pike.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bnUi9GzdSM4S/DMA" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200007181907.MAA45886@pike.osd.bsdi.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --bnUi9GzdSM4S/DMA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John Baldwin wrote: >> As the subject says, how do I use entities from authors.ent in the FAQ? >> Just adding >>=20 >> <!ENTITY % authors PUBLIC "-//FreeBSD//ENTITIES DocBook Author Entities/= /EN"> >> %authors; >>=20 >> works, but is it the "right" way? >=20 > Looks like it. Look at how the handbook does it and just copy that. <!ENTITY % authors SYSTEM "authors.ent"> %authors; Can't really use that in the FAQ. :-) The committers guide uses the way I suggested in the first message, so I will use that. --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --bnUi9GzdSM4S/DMA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: WwB+xJ2mlAvrezAGWSq/OJ/gJEKEtF4p iQCVAwUBOXTTaysPVtiZOS99AQF1IQP/YFReLz9Nh98H8j6dyjIPWgCiPE3Hwde6 oQjhPBfvwwjbqaYaz0k/NEEjBH1yWSPH6ZH33y2uRyExAg1FJFHhmV0dQnMhyF9O Q2jS5NbinfZ5Zb4UvorwkHgKvIHSH+JAMEvyWDwXmMrZeKozUM4lsVgY4tzxQ3IR tOtK2wU/raM= =ZBCZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bnUi9GzdSM4S/DMA-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 16:32: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9611837BC44; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:31:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22848; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:42:25 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:42:20 +1000 From: Jonathan Michaels <jon@welearn.com.au> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Message-ID: <20000719094210.A22688@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Reply-To: jon@welearn.com.au Mail-Followup-To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.ORG>, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200007181910.MAA03565@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <200007181910.MAA03565@freefall.freebsd.org>; from Ben Smithurst on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 12:10:02PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 12:10:02PM -0700, Ben Smithurst wrote: > > + paying attention, that he is *here*.</para> > Perhaps <emphasis>foo</emphasis> instead of *foo*, or something. The > FAQ isn't limited to ASCII text like email is. :-) it is by people who use ms dos based (and one or two freebsd) users on text based consoles regards jonathan ... old, but still managing .. -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 16:41: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [206.79.44.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C505237B698; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:40:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15915; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:20:20 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:20:20 +0000 From: Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/19997: [PATCH] Addition of info about debug kernels to the FAQ Message-ID: <20000719002020.B15764@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200007181250.FAA88127@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000718145850.A18498@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000718140525.P4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718165725.L32297@nathan.ruhr.de> <20000718165342.Z4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718205446.P32297@nathan.ruhr.de> <20000718205003.L4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000718205003.L4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 08:50:03PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 08:50:03PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > > > In that case, he'll just love one of my current projects... <veg> > > Which is? > > My Things To Do for the FAQ include: > > * fix <literallayout>, it's crap (done, will commit after 4.1) > * fix all sorts of bogus quoting. "foo", 'foo', `foo', ``foo'', > “foo” should probably be changed to <quote>foo</quote> in > most cases. I'm guilty of adding one of the last type since I forgot > that <quote> was the Right Way[tm]. > * indent properly. For a big list of things I had to do to the Handbook post-conversion, look at http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/doc/en/handbook/Attic/README?rev=1.66 N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 16:41: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [206.79.44.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1C737B8C6; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:41:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15859; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:14:56 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:14:55 +0000 From: Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Cc: John Baldwin <jhb@pike.osd.bsdi.com>, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Using entities from authors.ent in the FAQ Message-ID: <20000719001454.A15764@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000718194937.E4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <200007181907.MAA45886@pike.osd.bsdi.com> <20000718230012.Q4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000718230012.Q4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 11:00:12PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 11:00:12PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > John Baldwin wrote: > > Looks like it. Look at how the handbook does it and just copy that. > > <!ENTITY % authors SYSTEM "authors.ent"> %authors; > > Can't really use that in the FAQ. :-) The committers guide uses the way > I suggested in the first message, so I will use that. The Handbook's ``broken'' in this respect. I'll fix it now. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 16:59:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CBA37B81B for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:59:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13Ega3-000E1J-00; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:15:15 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13Ega3-000FEk-00; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:15:15 +0100 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:15:15 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/19997: [PATCH] Addition of info about debug kernels to the FAQ Message-ID: <20000719001515.S4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <200007181250.FAA88127@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000718145850.A18498@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000718140525.P4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718165725.L32297@nathan.ruhr.de> <20000718165342.Z4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718205446.P32297@nathan.ruhr.de> <20000718205003.L4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000719004725.S32297@nathan.ruhr.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="YYkI1bN/Wg3dLcB1" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000719004725.S32297@nathan.ruhr.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --YYkI1bN/Wg3dLcB1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > <qandaentry> > <question> > <para>Which file do I download to get FreeBSD?</para> > </question> nice! Hmm, might it be useful to create a doc/tools directory to commit scripts like this to? No doubt the indenting will get messed up by lazy committers like me, so it would be useful to have such a script around. There's already /usr/ports/Tools, /usr/src/tools, let's not be left out. :-) Anyway, can you send me a copy of this script please? Thanks! --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --YYkI1bN/Wg3dLcB1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: 5QnKHmmnMbDHoB+KUnHLiMjlzIt3Qhbp iQCVAwUBOXTlAisPVtiZOS99AQEHeAP9EWUKalClJnug5p7PmtoMEBntMiGW0CD2 nlvprSHVuMKOmIjvz8PO+kiMke42SByxWAy//xVpjFhzXl/+wneLGrVtEs36Hh4D oSAR9ng55wQAghNbiz3C08kScw/gfcTY7xf5Wpua5JIQP69gXsEtMdsPT69qYfLF w8ITaodsSFE= =156Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YYkI1bN/Wg3dLcB1-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 17: 0: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FAAF37B82F for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id RAA43479; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007190000.RAA43479@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: docs/20015: [patch] Updates for src/release/i386/RELNOTES.TXT Reply-To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20015; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: "Bruce A. Mah" <bmah@cisco.com> Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/20015: [patch] Updates for src/release/i386/RELNOTES.TXT Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:21:35 +0100 Bruce A. Mah wrote: > The attached patch corrects the following (IMHO) problems in the > i386 release notes on the RELENG_4 branch. Some of these might also > be appropriate for 5-current and/or the Alpha as well. To wit: You don't give up on the release/texts updates, do you? :-) The userland changes (tcsh, less, ls -G) are certainly applicable to the Alpha, as are the s/ethernet/Ethernet/ bits. If you have time could you send a patch for the alpha/RELNOTES.TXT file as well? If not I'll look at it myself tomorrow perhaps. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 17: 0:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD1337BC7A for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:00:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id RAA43484; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007190000.RAA43484@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: docs/20015: [patch] Updates for src/release/i386/RELNOTES.TXT Reply-To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20015; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: "Bruce A. Mah" <bmah@cisco.com> Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/20015: [patch] Updates for src/release/i386/RELNOTES.TXT Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:34:48 +0100 Ben Smithurst wrote: > If you have time could you > send a patch for the alpha/RELNOTES.TXT file as well? actually, no need -- your i386 patch applied with only one failure (which I've fixed manually) to the alpha file. I'll merge what's needed into the HEAD version first, and commit the RELENG_4 stuff ASAP unless someone gets there first. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 17: 8:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9778B37B81B; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:08:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id RAA45535; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:08:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:08:16 -0700 (PDT) From: <ben@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <200007190008.RAA45535@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, ben@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/20015: [patch] Updates for src/release/i386/RELNOTES.TXT Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [patch] Updates for src/release/i386/RELNOTES.TXT Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ben Responsible-Changed-By: ben Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Jul 19 01:05:16 BST 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'm doing this... http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20015 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 17:32:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr2.ruhr.de [141.39.224.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1689B37BCA6 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:32:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 36559 invoked by alias); 19 Jul 2000 00:33:49 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA57763 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:10:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ue) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:10:41 +0200 From: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/19997: [PATCH] Addition of info about debug kernels to the FAQ Message-ID: <20000719021041.T32297@nathan.ruhr.de> References: <200007181250.FAA88127@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000718145850.A18498@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000718140525.P4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718165725.L32297@nathan.ruhr.de> <20000718165342.Z4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718205446.P32297@nathan.ruhr.de> <20000718205003.L4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000719004725.S32297@nathan.ruhr.de> <20000719001515.S4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000719001515.S4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 12:15:15AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 12:15:15AM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > nice! You'll sing a different song after you've seen the source code. The scripts are atrocities - to perl and to the formatting. The scripts are not production quality, there are a couple well known weak spots left. > Anyway, can you send me a copy of this script please? On their way. Yes, Alex, you'll get a copy, too. Do yourself a favour: Don't read the source immediately before or after lunch/dinner. /s/Udo -- "Treason is a charge invented by winners as an excuse for hanging the losers." - Benjamin Franklin, ca. 1776 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 18:41:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (chmls05.mediaone.net [24.147.1.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D67B37B8B2 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:41:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tvalenzuela@mediaone.net) Received: from Player1 (h00a0cc56aafe.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.160.172]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA21810 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000801bff187$4eee9200$2164a8c0@salesguy.net> From: "Tony Valenzuela" <tvalenzuela@mediaone.net> To: <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org> Subject: hand book Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:43:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFF165.C71CAF40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFF165.C71CAF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable how can I get a freebsd handbook=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFF165.C71CAF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.3018.900" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DBibleScrT><STRONG>how can I get a freebsd handbook=20 </STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFF165.C71CAF40-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 19: 5:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3412D37B9BF; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:05:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@pike.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA60492; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:05:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) From: John Baldwin <jhb@pike.osd.bsdi.com> Message-Id: <200007190205.TAA60492@pike.osd.bsdi.com> Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/share/mk doc.html.mk In-Reply-To: <200007190146.SAA55893@freefall.freebsd.org> from John Baldwin at "Jul 18, 2000 06:46:48 pm" To: John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL68 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > jhb 2000/07/18 18:46:48 PDT > > Modified files: > share/mk doc.html.mk > Log: > Don't allow html-split to be treated as a format during install. > Admittedly, this is a hack, and the real solution is to sanitize FORMATS > by removing any words that aren't in KNOWN_FORMATS. This fixes release > since releases uses 'html html-split txt' for FORMATS when it compiles and > installs the docs. > > Revision Changes Path > 1.2 +2 -2 doc/share/mk/doc.html.mk As I said, this is a gross hack, but I've been trying to build RC2 all day long and wasn't really eager to spend a lot of time fixing the generic problem while the release idled. :) This does need to be fixed the right way, however, so if any make(1) experts want a simple task to do, go for it. -- John Baldwin <jhb@bsdi.com> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 19: 9:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94DF37BBAE for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:09:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA00371; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:09:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:09:25 -0700 From: Brooks Davis <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net> To: Tony Valenzuela <tvalenzuela@mediaone.net> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: hand book Message-ID: <20000718190925.A5@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <000801bff187$4eee9200$2164a8c0@salesguy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: <000801bff187$4eee9200$2164a8c0@salesguy.net>; from tvalenzuela@mediaone.net on Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 09:43:22AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [HTML mail sucks, please fix you mailer to send normal ASCII text e-mail.] On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 09:43:22AM -0400, Tony Valenzuela wrote: > how can I get a freebsd handbook Online, the main source is: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/index.html You can get it in several other formats including RTF, PDF, and PostScript at: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/ Finaly, you can now buy a real, paper copy at: http://www.freebsdmall.com/books/index.phtml#bsdhandbk -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 23: 0: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F45E37BE65 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:00:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id XAA88540; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:00:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007190600.XAA88540@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: "clemensF" <rabat@web.de> Subject: Re: docs/20002: PicoBSD - Markup Tags within Title Tag Reply-To: "clemensF" <rabat@web.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20002; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "clemensF" <rabat@web.de> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Cc: bonk1138@msn.com, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/20002: PicoBSD - Markup Tags within Title Tag Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:54:53 +0200 > Ben Smithurst: > To the people on freebsd-small mailing list: may I commit this? The > problem is that Netscape doesn't understand <center> tags within > <title>, so they appear literally in the title bar. then please leave these tags out! clemens To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 18 23: 0: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DDF237BD85 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:00:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id XAA88535; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from minya.sea.one-eyed-alien.net (minya.sea.one-eyed-alien.net [216.39.168.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4ED237BD7F for <FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:53:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brooks@minya.sea.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: (from brooks@localhost) by minya.sea.one-eyed-alien.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12534; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:54:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brooks) Message-Id: <200007190554.WAA12534@minya.sea.one-eyed-alien.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:54:04 -0700 (PDT) From: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net Reply-To: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/20028: ASCII docs should reflect <emphasis> tags in the source Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 20028 >Category: docs >Synopsis: ASCII docs should reflect <emphasis> tags in the source >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Jul 18 23:00:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Brooks Davis >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: All versions of FreeBSD >Description: When the <emphasis> tag is used in DocBook, this is translated to a variant on the <i> tag in HTML vi the style sheets. The HTML docs are then processed by w3m to produce ASCII versions. w3m appears to compleatly ignore <i> tags even in interative mode and it ignores both <i> and <b> tags in -dump mode. This means that no indication of emphasis is transmitted to the ASCII form which potentialy distorts the text's meaning. >How-To-Repeat: Create ASCII docs. >Fix: The fix is going to be something like patching w3m to have a mode where it emphasises things like *this* or something. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 19 1:20: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20CBB37BDB7 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:20:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id BAA09724; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:20:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id ED7B837BD9B; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20000719081137.ED7B837BD9B@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:11:37 -0700 (PDT) From: swun@esec.com.au To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/20030: it should be "options BRIDGE" rther than "option BRIDGE" in the doc. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 20030 >Category: docs >Synopsis: it should be "options BRIDGE" rther than "option BRIDGE" in the doc. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Jul 19 01:20:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Sam Wun >Release: >Organization: eSec ltd >Environment: >Description: the turtle <swun@esec.com.au> wrote: > I was about setting up my freebsd box as a bridge. In the > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/bridging.html, it;s saying that add > "option BRIDGE" to my kernel configuratoin file. But I found that there > is only keyword options or device available for the config file. Is this > really should be "options" rahter than "option" > Refer to the LINT file for your kernel configuration when something like this comes up. This is usually found in /usr/src/i386/conf/LINT However, it looks like you found a documentation error. It should be "options BRIDGE". If you don't mind, please report it. Go to : http://www.freebsd.org/support.html#gnats and "Submit a Problem Report." Thanks. Jessem. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: should be written as options BRIDGE >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 19 1:32:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C1737BDE4; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:32:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from alex@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id BAA11247; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:32:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:32:51 -0700 (PDT) From: <alex@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <200007190832.BAA11247@freefall.freebsd.org> To: alex@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, alex@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->alex Responsible-Changed-By: alex Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Jul 19 01:32:15 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll add it http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20009 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 19 1:44:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3571237BA18; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:44:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13EpTD-00080n-00; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:44:47 +0200 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:44:47 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner <nbm@mithrandr.moria.org> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/19997: [PATCH] Addition of info about debug kernels to the FAQ Message-ID: <20000719104446.A30735@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <200007181250.FAA88127@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000718145850.A18498@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000718140525.P4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718165725.L32297@nathan.ruhr.de> <20000718165342.Z4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718205446.P32297@nathan.ruhr.de> <20000718205003.L4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000718205003.L4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 08:50:03PM +0100 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue 2000-07-18 (20:50), Ben Smithurst wrote: > * indent properly. > > ben@magnesium:~/bsdwork/FAQ$ wc -l book.sgml > 9714 book.sgml > > ok, maybe not. :-/ > > Depends how much I feel like doing this. They don't create new contributors like they used to. Why, back when I was a lad, I indented a good 10k lines in the articles. *reminisce* Actually, what do people think about splitting the FAQ into multiple files like it used to be? 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 19 5:49:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (zoom1-179.telepath.com [216.14.1.179]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 015E737B517 for <doc@freebsd.org>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 05:49:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 22510 invoked by uid 100); 19 Jul 2000 12:48:51 -0000 From: Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14709.41907.882392.26159@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:48:51 -0500 (CDT) To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Porter's Handbook: Honoring PREFIX (15.12) and testing (2.4) X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 10) "Capitol Reef" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, Neither of the sections mentioned in the subject line talk about a simple test for honoring PREFIX/LOCALBASE that all ports should pass (but not all do, unfortunately :-(). This test has four steps: 1. make clean 2. make install PREFIX=/var/tmp/port-name 3. make deinstall Complaints about missing files indicate files that weren't properly installed according to PREFIX. 4. find /var/tmp/port-name -type f Shouldn't list any files. I haven't fully investigated how dependencies interact with this. In particular, some ports may need runtime dependencies installed with PREFIX=/var/tmp/port-name, which breaks the test for step 4 until all of them have been deinstalled as well. As a final note, the usage of PREFIX/LOCALBASE could be explained a bit better, along with adding X11BASE. According to my understanding, PREFIX is used to refer to where the current port is being installed; LOCALBASE is for things installed by non-X ports, and X11BASE for things installed by X ports. So the option -DPAGER=\"${PREFIX|/bin/less\" is actually wrong. Better wording for that would be: Also, refer to programs/files from other ports with the variables mentioned above, not explict pathnames. For instance, if your port requires the macro TOOL to be the full pathname to tool, use the compiler flag: -DTOOL=\"${LOCALBASE}/bin/tool\" unless it's an X tool, in which case use: -DTOOL=\"${X11BASE}/bin/tool\" instead of -DTOOL=\"/usr/local/bin/tool\". This way it will have a better chance of working if the system administrator has moved the whole '/usr/local' or '/usr/X11R6' tree somewhere else. Thanx, <mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 19 6:14:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EC537BE95; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:14:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id GAA62091; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:14:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:14:42 -0700 (PDT) From: <ben@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <200007191314.GAA62091@freefall.freebsd.org> To: swun@esec.com.au, ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/20030: it should be "options BRIDGE" rther than "option BRIDGE" in the doc. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: it should be "options BRIDGE" rther than "option BRIDGE" in the doc. State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ben State-Changed-When: Wed Jul 19 14:12:29 BST 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20030 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 19 7:30: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31AB437BEB5 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:30:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA33513; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:30:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007191430.HAA33513@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Daniel Harris <dannyboy@subdimension.com> Subject: Re: docs/18807: No documentation for source upgrades Reply-To: Daniel Harris <dannyboy@subdimension.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/18807; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Daniel Harris <dannyboy@subdimension.com> To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, jkoshy@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/18807: No documentation for source upgrades Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:23:47 -0400 Can this be closed? -- Daniel Harris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 19 8:58:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from c003.sfo.cp.net (c003-h013.c003.sfo.cp.net [209.228.13.191]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9498737BF2B for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:58:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from contacts@www.com) Received: (cpmta 8047 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2000 08:58:41 -0700 Date: 19 Jul 2000 08:58:41 -0700 Message-ID: <20000719155841.8046.cpmta@c003.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 19 Jul 2000 15:58:41 GMT Received: from [193.188.124.140] by mail.www.com with HTTP; 19 Jul 2000 08:58:41 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unicode-1-1-utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: contacts@www.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.0 Subject: From Bahrain (Mohamed A.Ali Abu Hassan) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hiâ€¦ How are you ?? 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Mohamed Abu Hassan P.O.Box 26602 Manama â€“ Bahrain Tel: +973 9464202 Fax No.: + 973 601612 ___________________________________________________________________ Get your free, permanent e-mail @www.com, the original Net address! - http://www.com/freemail Listen to your favorite music while you work! - http://www.com/radio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 19 13:30: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F93B37B5EE for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id NAA04051; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:30:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.49.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B532937C039 for <FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:23:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@cauchy.math.missouri.edu) Received: (from stephen@localhost) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA15960; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:22:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200007192022.PAA15960@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:22:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith <stephen@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> Reply-To: stephen@cauchy.math.missouri.edu To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/20044: which order to put files in diff for patch? Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 20044 >Category: docs >Synopsis: which order to put files in diff for patch? >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Jul 19 13:30:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Stephen Montgomery-Smith >Release: FreeBSD 4.1-RC i386 >Organization: University of Missouri >Environment: >Description: If you are like me, when you create a patch, you don't know whether to write diff old-file new-file or diff new-file old-file The man page for diff is not clear on this. >How-To-Repeat: man diff >Fix: Apply this patch to /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/diff --- diff-old.1 Wed Jul 19 12:08:31 2000 +++ diff.1 Wed Jul 19 12:25:07 2000 @@ -489,6 +489,19 @@ and .I foo might be directory hierarchies or single files. + +If you are creating a patch file for +.B patch +to use, you should put the old file/directory first, and the +new file/directory second: for example + +.B diff +-u old-file new-file + +or + +.B diff +-ur old-directory new-directory .SH SEE ALSO cmp(1), comm(1), diff3(1), ed(1), patch(1), pr(1), sdiff(1). .SH DIAGNOSTICS >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: Stephen Montgomery-Smith To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 19 13:34:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from web1306.mail.yahoo.com (web1306.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A02A537B98D for <doc@freebsd.org>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:34:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wumba_man@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 9061 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2000 20:34:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000719203440.9060.qmail@web1306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.47.130.2] by web1306.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:34:40 EDT Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:34:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Wumba Man <wumba_man@yahoo.ca> Subject: http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/hardware.html#AEN1333 change suggestion To: doc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Having just gone through the ordeal of installing an ISA PNP modem into a 386/DX40 running 3.4-RELEASE I suggest you change the following section to *NOT* including kernel rebuilding since 3.4-RELEASE already includes pnp. My thinking of logical steps to do in 3.4-RELEASE is this: 1) Install ISA PnP modem 2) Boot machine. Run "pnpinfo | more" as root. 3) Check if the IRQ/DRQ/PORT gets assigned (near the bottom of the output of pnpinfo for that device). 4) If it doesn't get assigned, note the CSN and LDN for the modem. 5) Add a line like this to /boot/kernel.conf to get the kernel to enable the modem pnp 1 0 os enable irq0 4 port0 0x2f8 6) shutdown -r to reboot 7) "dmesg | more" to check if the modem is assigned as sio0 or sio1 Thanks for a great OS. _______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 19 13:43:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [206.79.44.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21A337C0DB; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:43:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20277; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:45:14 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:45:14 +0000 From: Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org> To: Jonathan Michaels <jon@welearn.com.au> Cc: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.ORG>, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Message-ID: <20000719164514.D15764@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200007181910.MAA03565@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000719094210.A22688@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000719094210.A22688@phoenix.welearn.com.au>; from jon@welearn.com.au on Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 09:42:20AM +1000 Organization: FreeBSD Project <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 09:42:20AM +1000, Jonathan Michaels wrote: > On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 12:10:02PM -0700, Ben Smithurst wrote: > > > > + paying attention, that he is *here*.</para> > > > Perhaps <emphasis>foo</emphasis> instead of *foo*, or something. The > > FAQ isn't limited to ASCII text like email is. :-) > > it is by people who use ms dos based (and one or two freebsd) > users on text based consoles Anyone want to work on patches to w3m that do things like convert <i>...</i> to /.../ and <b>...</b. to *...* (etc). Shouldn't be *too* tricky. . . N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 19 13:43:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [206.79.44.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1CB37C143; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:43:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20253; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:43:39 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:43:39 +0000 From: Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de>, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/19997: [PATCH] Addition of info about debug kernels to the FAQ Message-ID: <20000719164339.C15764@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200007181250.FAA88127@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000718145850.A18498@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000718140525.P4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718165725.L32297@nathan.ruhr.de> <20000718165342.Z4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718205446.P32297@nathan.ruhr.de> <20000718205003.L4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000719004725.S32297@nathan.ruhr.de> <20000719001515.S4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000719001515.S4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 12:15:15AM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 12:15:15AM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > Hmm, might it be useful to create a doc/tools directory to commit > scripts like this to? No doubt the indenting will get messed up by lazy > committers like me, so it would be useful to have such a script around. > There's already /usr/ports/Tools, /usr/src/tools, let's not be left out. > :-) I know POLA and all that, but doc/share/tools/ ? N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 19 13:48:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from tholian.securitydynamics.com (tholian.securid.com [204.167.112.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F2FF37C084; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:48:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ecogren@rsasecurity.com) Received: from sdtihq24.securitydynamics.com by tholian.securitydynamics.com via smtpd (for hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) with SMTP; 19 Jul 2000 20:48:15 UT Received: from exna00.securitydynamics.com (exna00.securitydynamics.com [10.2.1.110]) by sdtihq24.securid.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00926; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by exna00.securitydynamics.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <PDC2X52B>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:48:20 -0400 Message-ID: <F504A8CEE925D411AF4A00508B8BE90A1BF6A9@exna07.securitydynamics.com> From: "Ogren, Eric C." <ecogren@rsasecurity.com> To: "'Nik Clayton'" <nik@FreeBSD.ORG>, Jonathan Michaels <jon@welearn.com.au> Cc: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.ORG>, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:48:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I can take a look -- however, somebody else is free to as well, seeing as I've never even looked at w3m code, and I probably won't have a lot of time to do anything this week. Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: Nik Clayton [mailto:nik@FreeBSD.ORG] > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 12:45 PM > To: Jonathan Michaels > Cc: Ben Smithurst; freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds > > > On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 09:42:20AM +1000, Jonathan Michaels wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 18, 2000 at 12:10:02PM -0700, Ben Smithurst wrote: > > > > > > + paying attention, that he is *here*.</para> > > > > > Perhaps <emphasis>foo</emphasis> instead of *foo*, or > something. The > > > FAQ isn't limited to ASCII text like email is. :-) > > > > it is by people who use ms dos based (and one or two freebsd) > > users on text based consoles > > Anyone want to work on patches to w3m that do things like convert > > <i>...</i> > > to > > /.../ > > and > > <b>...</b. > > to > > *...* > > (etc). > > Shouldn't be *too* tricky. . . > > N > -- > Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. > Modem, $149.95. > Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, > hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before > posting, priceless. > Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, > there's MasterCard. > -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 19 13:50:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A580337B54A for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id NAA06517; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007192050.NAA06517@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: "Ogren, Eric C." <ecogren@rsasecurity.com> Subject: RE: docs/20044: which order to put files in diff for patch? Reply-To: "Ogren, Eric C." <ecogren@rsasecurity.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20044; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Ogren, Eric C." <ecogren@rsasecurity.com> To: "'stephen@cauchy.math.missouri.edu'" <stephen@cauchy.math.missouri.edu>, FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Subject: RE: docs/20044: which order to put files in diff for patch? Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:39:47 -0400 Is this really that unclear? Barring whether "from-file" and "to-file" doesn't make it clear enough, the first entry under EXAMPLES has a line diff -crN foo.orig foo > foo.diff which I think makes it pretty clear which order to put files in. Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith > [mailto:stephen@cauchy.math.missouri.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 4:22 PM > To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: docs/20044: which order to put files in diff for patch? > > > > >Number: 20044 > >Category: docs > >Synopsis: which order to put files in diff for patch? > >Confidential: no > >Severity: non-critical > >Priority: low > >Responsible: freebsd-doc > >State: open > >Quarter: > >Keywords: > >Date-Required: > >Class: change-request > >Submitter-Id: current-users > >Arrival-Date: Wed Jul 19 13:30:00 PDT 2000 > >Closed-Date: > >Last-Modified: > >Originator: Stephen Montgomery-Smith > >Release: FreeBSD 4.1-RC i386 > >Organization: > University of Missouri > >Environment: > > >Description: > > If you are like me, when you create a patch, you don't know whether > to write > diff old-file new-file > or > diff new-file old-file > The man page for diff is not clear on this. > >How-To-Repeat: > > man diff > > >Fix: > > Apply this patch to /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/diff > > --- diff-old.1 Wed Jul 19 12:08:31 2000 > +++ diff.1 Wed Jul 19 12:25:07 2000 > @@ -489,6 +489,19 @@ > and > .I foo > might be directory hierarchies or single files. > + > +If you are creating a patch file for > +.B patch > +to use, you should put the old file/directory first, and the > +new file/directory second: for example > + > +.B diff > +-u old-file new-file > + > +or > + > +.B diff > +-ur old-directory new-directory > .SH SEE ALSO > cmp(1), comm(1), diff3(1), ed(1), patch(1), pr(1), sdiff(1). > .SH DIAGNOSTICS > > > >Release-Note: > >Audit-Trail: > >Unformatted: > Stephen Montgomery-Smith > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 19 14:44:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14FF37C10F for <doc@freebsd.org>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:44:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13F1UM-000Go2-00 for doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:34:46 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13F1UM-000IuL-00 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:34:46 +0100 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:34:46 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: FAQ: "root: not found" messages from cron Message-ID: <20000719223446.D75784@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sXc4Kmr5FA7axrvy" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --sXc4Kmr5FA7axrvy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is another question I've seen once too often... Does anyone have any objections to my proposed answer? Index: book.sgml =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /usr/cvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.75 diff -u -r1.75 book.sgml --- book.sgml 2000/07/19 17:24:48 1.75 +++ book.sgml 2000/07/19 21:31:02 @@ -4317,6 +4317,44 @@ =20 </answer></qandaentry> =20 + <qandaentry> + <question> + <para>Why do I keep getting messages like <quote>root: not + found</quote> after editing my crontab file?</para> + </question> + + <answer> + <para>This is normally caused by editing the system crontab + (<filename>/etc/crontab</filename>) and then using + &man.crontab.1; to install it:</para> + + <screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>crontab /etc/crontab</userinput= ></screen> + + <para>This is not the correct way to do things. The system + crontab has a different format to the per-user crontabs + which &man.crontab.1; updates (the &man.crontab.5; manual + page explains the differences in more detail).</para> + + <para>If this is what you did, you should delete the + <filename>/var/cron/tabs/root</filename>, since it will + simply be a copy of <filename>/etc/crontab</filename>, + in the wrong format. Next time, when you edit + <filename>/etc/crontab</filename>, you should not do + anything to inform &man.cron.8; of the changes, since it + will notice them automatically.</para> + + <para>The actual reason for the error is that the system + crontab has an extra field, specifying which user to run the + command as. In the default system crontab provided with + FreeBSD, this is <username>root</username> for all entries. + When this crontab is used as the <username>root</username> + user's crontab (which is <emphasis>not</emphasis> the + same as the system crontab), &man.cron.8; assumes the string + <literal>root</literal> is the first word of the command to + execute, but no such command exists.</para> + </answer> + </qandaentry> + <qandaentry><question> <para>How do I mount a secondary DOS partition?</para></question><answer> =20 --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --sXc4Kmr5FA7axrvy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: QRGgHCIx+gkIBcHY0rve3+eZHZh4I9Sb iQCVAwUBOXYe9isPVtiZOS99AQFSlgP/SuCgKDecSQEQa/TlaIAyGj2/qbBRuVkK 9esX2qRq+RJ3odb7XC/YlvE/wiLBpnJOclKSfsWDJ8X0cxmSDsNpJO2B2OCYWvOn zGDWiu95NjXRlAlZYPdTg7rhv6XTEuRx2x1lnmW/yWtFRfekYJoC5XI0180Z/for NhZg2wMSlIo= =ma/p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sXc4Kmr5FA7axrvy-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 19 15: 1:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DCCB37C03C; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:01:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13F1uF-000Gtf-00; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:01:31 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13F1uF-000Kkc-00; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:01:31 +0100 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:01:31 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org> Cc: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de>, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/19997: [PATCH] Addition of info about debug kernels to the FAQ Message-ID: <20000719230131.F75784@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <200007181250.FAA88127@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000718145850.A18498@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000718140525.P4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718165725.L32297@nathan.ruhr.de> <20000718165342.Z4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718205446.P32297@nathan.ruhr.de> <20000718205003.L4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000719004725.S32297@nathan.ruhr.de> <20000719001515.S4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000719164339.C15764@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="f61P+fpdnY2FZS1u" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000719164339.C15764@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --f61P+fpdnY2FZS1u Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nik Clayton wrote: > On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 12:15:15AM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: >> Hmm, might it be useful to create a doc/tools directory to commit >> scripts like this to? No doubt the indenting will get messed up by lazy >> committers like me, so it would be useful to have such a script around. >> There's already /usr/ports/Tools, /usr/src/tools, let's not be left out. >> :-) >=20 > I know POLA and all that, but doc/share/tools/ ? That'd be fine as well. --=20 Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / --f61P+fpdnY2FZS1u Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: PfPpmM3H8VHbfoz5al9ln5W1uIu8fScY iQCVAwUBOXYlOysPVtiZOS99AQEEGwP8DFogfgdANgAFLrU4/FHMZSWLzSCifLah 2TWMgh9eVkcjimF5ZaqzgCj3NQ7Lb73SqxeVadgLPvm4HuV42OQ0ewL/d7w6V9GG xWl2tx5mWpbNRKRCdkSaT2m4Cs9ROtVGsA/BwRHy8t8GKcGN2uCWtSnhVCyRR34y nwjhKbhevP4= =oaTB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --f61P+fpdnY2FZS1u-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 19 15:16: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A272C37BAE0; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:15:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@pike.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA94023; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:15:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) From: John Baldwin <jhb@pike.osd.bsdi.com> Message-Id: <200007192215.PAA94023@pike.osd.bsdi.com> Subject: Re: FAQ: "root: not found" messages from cron In-Reply-To: <20000719223446.D75784@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> from Ben Smithurst at "Jul 19, 2000 10:34:46 pm" To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.ORG> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL68 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Looks good to me. Go for it. :) -- John Baldwin <jhb@bsdi.com> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 19 15:17:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4682637C162; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:17:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@pike.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA94059; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:17:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) From: John Baldwin <jhb@pike.osd.bsdi.com> Message-Id: <200007192217.PAA94059@pike.osd.bsdi.com> Subject: Re: doc.*.mk patches for test In-Reply-To: <20000719224133.A3890@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> from Nik Clayton at "Jul 19, 2000 10:41:34 pm" To: Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: doc@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL68 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > John, > > Can you apply these and see if they fix the build problem. > > Now, if you specify a format that *should* be supported, but isn't > (like 'html-split' in the case of the ipsec-must doc) then you get a > non-fatal warning. If you specify a non-existant format (make FORMATS=foo) > then it generates a fatal error. > > Thoughts? > > N > -- > Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. > Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, > hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. > Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. > -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery I'll try them out with RC3 tomorrow after the tag is laid down. They look good to me though. Thanks. -- John Baldwin <jhb@bsdi.com> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 2: 5:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe13.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47A537B540 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 02:05:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from l_ryzhik@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 02:05:46 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [62.244.31.212] From: "Leonid Ryzhik" <l_ryzhik@hotmail.com> To: <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Can I DOWNLOAD FreeBSD kernel source guide(manual,description etc.) from Internet for free? Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:07:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFF243.210EEC60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: <OE13FJ3sl3xbYiMCIqt00000215@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2000 09:05:46.0484 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0E1EB40:01BFF229] Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFF243.210EEC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear members of the FreeBSD Documentation Project =20 I'm a student of the National Technical University of Ukraine. At = the moment I'm investigating kernels of different Unix-like operating = systems. It's rather difficult to understand what is what in a kernel = and how it works without some sort of manual. For example, when I was = reading Linux kernel source the book "Linux Core Kernel Commentary" by = Scott Maxwell helped me a lot. I looked for this sort of manual on = www.FreeBSD.org but found nothing. Probably one of the books referenced = from this site would be helpful but buying it is a problem for me. My question: Can I DOWNLOAD FreeBSD kernel source = guide(manual,description etc.) from Internet for free? =20 I would appreciate any information You send me. =20 Sincerely Yous Leonid Ryzhik l_ryzhik@hotmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFF243.210EEC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2920.0" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2> Dear = members=20 of the FreeBSD Documentation Project </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I'm a student of the = National=20 Technical University of Ukraine. At the moment I'm investigating = kernels of=20 different Unix-like operating systems. It's rather difficult to = understand=20 what is what in a kernel and how it works without some sort of = manual. For=20 example, when I was reading Linux kernel source the book "Linux = Core Kernel=20 Commentary" by Scott Maxwell helped me a lot. I looked for this = sort of=20 manual on <A = href=3D"http://www.FreeBSD.org">www.FreeBSD.org</A> but found=20 nothing. Probably one of the books referenced from this site would be = helpful=20 but buying it is a problem for me.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> My = question: Can I DOWNLOAD=20 FreeBSD kernel source guide(manual,description etc.) from Internet for=20 free?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I would appreciate = any=20 information You send me.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Sincerely Yous Leonid = Ryzhik <A=20 href=3D"mailto:l_ryzhik@hotmail.com">l_ryzhik@hotmail.com</A></FONT></DIV= ></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFF243.210EEC60-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 5:30: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C4637BB80 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 05:30:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id FAA31175; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 05:30:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr2.ruhr.de [141.39.224.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DDE2437BA99 for <FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 05:24:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 19109 invoked by alias); 20 Jul 2000 12:26:19 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA66040; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:22:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ue) Message-Id: <200007201222.OAA66040@nathan.ruhr.de> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:22:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> Reply-To: ue@nathan.ruhr.de To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/20056: Bad SGML in the "@ sign" entry of the FAQ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 20056 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Bad SGML in the "@ sign" entry of the FAQ >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Jul 20 05:30:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Udo Erdelhoff >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: $FreeBSD: doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml,v 1.72 >Description: The FAQ entry about the use of @ for the pn capability uses the string <@> to denote the @-character. The use of <> is reserved for SGML tags, <@> is not a valid tag. Found during devlopment of suppe. >How-To-Repeat: n/a >Fix: Two diffs. The first replaces <@> with <@>. While I'm here, replace <emphasis remap=tt></emphasis> with <literal></literal>, replace the links to man.cgi for the filenames with the proper <filename></filename>, use <programlisting> instead of <literallayout> and remove the <para></para> around <programlisting> to remove one of the many warnings issued by tidy. The second diff fixes the indentation and the word wrapping. Whitespace changes only, may be ignored by the translations teams. Reformatting done by suppe 1.6, about 850 KBytes (19763 lines) of diffs left :-> First diff: --- book.sgml Thu Jul 20 13:20:55 2000 +++ book.sgml.orig Thu Jul 20 13:36:15 2000 @@ -8209,14 +8209,17 @@ </answer></qandaentry> <qandaentry><question> -<para>The <literal><@></literal> sign for the pn capability doesn't work!</para></question><answer> +<para>The <emphasis remap=tt><@></emphasis> sign for the pn capability doesn't work!</para></question><answer> -<para>The <literal><@></literal> sign in the phone number capability tells tip to look in -<filename>/etc/phones</filename> for a phone number. But the <literal><@></literal> sign is +<para>The <emphasis remap=tt><@></emphasis> sign in the phone number capability tells tip to look in +<ulink URL="http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi?phones(5)">/etc/phones</ulink> for a phone number. But the <emphasis remap=tt><@></emphasis> sign is also a special character in capability files like -<filename>/etc/remote</filename>. Escape it with a backslash:</para> +<ulink URL="http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi?remote">/etc/remote</ulink>. Escape it with a backslash:</para> -<programlisting> pn=\@</programlisting> +<para> +<literallayout> pn=\@ + </literallayout> +</para> </answer></qandaentry> Second diff: --- book.sgml.orig Thu Jul 20 13:41:05 2000 +++ book.sgml Thu Jul 20 13:41:39 2000 @@ -8208,17 +8208,24 @@ </answer></qandaentry> -<qandaentry><question> -<para>The <literal><@></literal> sign for the pn capability doesn't work!</para></question><answer> + <qandaentry> + <question> + <para>The <literal><@></literal> sign for the pn capability + doesn't work!</para> + </question> -<para>The <literal><@></literal> sign in the phone number capability tells tip to look in -<filename>/etc/phones</filename> for a phone number. But the <literal><@></literal> sign is -also a special character in capability files like -<filename>/etc/remote</filename>. Escape it with a backslash:</para> + <answer> + <para>The <literal><@></literal> sign in the phone number + capability tells tip to look in + <filename>/etc/phones</filename> for a phone number. But the + <literal><@></literal> sign is also a special character + in capability files like <filename>/etc/remote</filename>. + Escape it with a backslash:</para> <programlisting> pn=\@</programlisting> -</answer></qandaentry> + </answer> + </qandaentry> <qandaentry><question> <para>How can I dial a phone number on the command line?</para></question><answer> >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 6:28:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E8637B806; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:28:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id GAA41490; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:28:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:28:31 -0700 (PDT) From: <ben@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <200007201328.GAA41490@freefall.freebsd.org> To: bonk1138@msn.com, ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/19998: PicoBSD - Broken links in HTML Documentation Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: PicoBSD - Broken links in HTML Documentation State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ben State-Changed-When: Thu Jul 20 14:27:47 BST 2000 State-Changed-Why: No action needed as far as I can see, the submitter didn't read the instructions carefully enough. :-) http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 7: 0: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D47EC37BBCB for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:00:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA45697; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:00:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from isds.duke.edu (davinci.isds.duke.edu [152.3.22.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933A437BFE4 for <FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:52:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sto@stat.Duke.EDU) Received: from feta.isds.duke.edu (feta.isds.duke.edu [152.3.22.76]) by isds.duke.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08374 for <FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from sto@localhost) by feta.isds.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA68985; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:52:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sto) Message-Id: <200007201352.JAA68985@feta.isds.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:52:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Sean O'Connell" <sto@stat.Duke.EDU> Reply-To: sto@stat.Duke.EDU To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/20060: Add some mention of sound devices in the pcm manpage Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 20060 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Add some mention of sound devices in the pcm manpage >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Jul 20 07:00:04 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Sean O'Connell >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: Institute of Statistics and Decision Sciences >Environment: Both RELENG_4 and -CURRENT. >Description: This is based on a conversation with a frustrated -STABLE user who couldn't figure out how to create the requisite devices for his sound card (which had kernel support ... device pcm was added as per LINT). He had looked through the manpages and had done some searching through the handbook and FAQ. There does exist an entry in the FAQ (http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/admin.html#AEN2508), but it doesn't hit all the right keywords. It should contain more verbiage (something in reference to sound/pcm/MAKEDEV snd, etc). My initial instinct was to say RTFM, but when I went to the manpage for pcm, there was no reference to the requirment to do a cd /dev; sh MAKEDEV snd0 (for pcm0, snd1 for pcm1, etc). >How-To-Repeat: man 4 pcm and try to find a reference to the relevant device files >Fix: The following is a patch to /usr/src/share/man/man4/pcm.4 that adds a DEVICE FILES section (probably nonstandard) to reward the industrious user. Do other kernel devices make reference to their relevant /dev entries ... It might be a nice thing to add. --- pcm.4.orig Wed Mar 22 00:12:01 2000 +++ pcm.4 Wed Jul 19 17:54:30 2000 @@ -121,6 +121,24 @@ .It NeoMagic 256AV/ZX (PCI) .Pp + +.El +.Pp +.Sh DEVICE FILES + +To create the proper device files for audio support, + +.Cd "cd /dev" +.Cd "sh MAKEDEV snd0" + +for soundcards detected as +.Em pcm0 +(similarly, if the card is detected as +.Em "pcm1", +it would require +.Em "snd1", +etc.). + .El .Pp .Sh DIAGNOSTICS AND TROUBLESHOOTING >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 7: 0:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9618F37BC79 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:00:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA45703; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:00:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007201400.HAA45703@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: docs/20056: Bad SGML in the "@ sign" entry of the FAQ Reply-To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20056; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/20056: Bad SGML in the "@ sign" entry of the FAQ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:37:56 +0100 Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > Two diffs. The first replaces <@> with <@>. While I'm here, replace > <emphasis remap=tt></emphasis> with <literal></literal>, replace the > links to man.cgi for the filenames with the proper <filename></filename>, > use <programlisting> instead of <literallayout> and remove the <para></para> > around <programlisting> to remove one of the many warnings issued by tidy. Looks good to me, with one minor exception: the white space before the "pn=\@" line in <programlisting> is unnecessary. > The second diff fixes the indentation and the word wrapping. Whitespace > changes only, may be ignored by the translations teams. Reformatting done > by suppe 1.6, about 850 KBytes (19763 lines) of diffs left :-> I think I'll leave this bit, if you don't mind too much, it can be committed in one batch at some point. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 7: 6: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mout1.silyn-tek.de (mout1.silyn-tek.de [194.25.165.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D731B37BBB7; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:06:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from [192.168.32.34] (helo=mx2.silyn-tek.de) by mout1.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13FGxb-0001k8-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:05:59 +0200 Received: from p3e9c115b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([62.156.17.91] helo=neutron.cichlids.com) by mx2.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13FGxW-0000we-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:05:54 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C45AAB91; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:07:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E611F14ABB; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:05:56 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:05:56 +0200 To: Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: Jonathan Michaels <jon@welearn.com.au>, Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.ORG>, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Message-ID: <20000720160556.A83098@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <200007181910.MAA03565@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000719094210.A22688@phoenix.welearn.com.au> <20000719164514.D15764@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000719164514.D15764@kilt.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 04:45:14PM +0000 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. From: alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Nik Clayton (nik@FreeBSD.ORG): > Anyone want to work on patches to w3m that do things like convert > <i>...</i> As a first step, the correct thing wouldn't be patching w3m but making <i> the <em> HTML tag. If w3m still doesn't make a difference, patch w3m. Alex -- cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 7:11: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5763437C1BD; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:11:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from sheldonh@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA48511; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:11:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:11:03 -0700 (PDT) From: <sheldonh@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <200007201411.HAA48511@freefall.freebsd.org> To: sheldonh@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, sheldonh@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/20060: Add some mention of sound devices in the pcm manpage Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Add some mention of sound devices in the pcm manpage Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->sheldonh Responsible-Changed-By: sheldonh Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Jul 20 07:10:23 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll take this, although I think I'll take a different approach. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20060 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 8: 0: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E705C37B54D for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:00:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA54505; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:00:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007201500.IAA54505@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> Subject: Re: docs/20056: Bad SGML in the "@ sign" entry of the FAQ Reply-To: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20056; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/20056: Bad SGML in the "@ sign" entry of the FAQ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:36:05 +0200 Hi, > Looks good to me, with one minor exception: the white space before the > "pn=\@" line in <programlisting> is unnecessary. whitespace and linebreaks within a <programlisting> element are significant. With the whitespace in front of the pn=\@, the output will be intended by approximately one tab. Without it, it will start in column 0. Or did you mean that I should not intend the the output? In that case, replace the whole line with <para><literal>pn=\@</literal></para>. You could even change the end of the previous paragraph to read ...with a backslash, i.e. use <literal>pn=\@</literal>.</para> and remove the <programlisting> element completly. > I think I'll leave this bit, if you don't mind too much, it can be > committed in one batch at some point. I don't mind. /s/Udo -- Ich bin root, ich darf das. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 8:56:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9383037B51A; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:56:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA62073; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:56:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:56:17 -0700 (PDT) From: <ben@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <200007201556.IAA62073@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ue@nathan.ruhr.de, ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/20056: Bad SGML in the "@ sign" entry of the FAQ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Bad SGML in the "@ sign" entry of the FAQ State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ben State-Changed-When: Thu Jul 20 16:55:06 BST 2000 State-Changed-Why: Functional part committed. White space change not committed, that will probably all get cleaned up in a mega-commit at some point. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20056 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 9: 0: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6520E37B6D1 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:00:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA62496; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:00:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007201600.JAA62496@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: docs/20056: Bad SGML in the "@ sign" entry of the FAQ Reply-To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20056; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/20056: Bad SGML in the "@ sign" entry of the FAQ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:54:56 +0100 Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > Hi, >> Looks good to me, with one minor exception: the white space before the >> "pn=\@" line in <programlisting> is unnecessary. > > whitespace and linebreaks within a <programlisting> element are significant. > With the whitespace in front of the pn=\@, the output will be intended by > approximately one tab. Without it, it will start in column 0. Not in the HTML output I see. <pre class="PROGRAMLISTING"> pn=\@ </pre> That results from <programlisting>pn=\@</programlisting>, and I'd assume conversions to other formats get this right too. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 9: 7:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8F437B622; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:07:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13FIiC-000Iez-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:58:12 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13FIiC-000CGC-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:58:12 +0100 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:58:12 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: Alexander Langer <alex@big.endian.de> Cc: Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.ORG>, Jonathan Michaels <jon@welearn.com.au>, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Message-ID: <20000720165812.B64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <200007181910.MAA03565@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000719094210.A22688@phoenix.welearn.com.au> <20000719164514.D15764@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000720160556.A83098@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000720160556.A83098@cichlids.cichlids.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alexander Langer wrote: > Thus spake Nik Clayton (nik@FreeBSD.ORG): > >> Anyone want to work on patches to w3m that do things like convert >> <i>...</i> > > As a first step, the correct thing wouldn't be patching w3m but making > <i> the <em> HTML tag. I agree. <b> should be changed to <strong> as well, I think. > If w3m still doesn't make a difference, patch w3m. w3m shows <em> stuff in bold in interactive mode, but it still doesn't help in the plain text output from -dump. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 9:50: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7D037B6A9 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA69994; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007201650.JAA69994@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> Subject: Re: docs/20056: Bad SGML in the "@ sign" entry of the FAQ Reply-To: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20056; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/20056: Bad SGML in the "@ sign" entry of the FAQ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:24:35 +0200 On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 04:54:56PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > <pre class="PROGRAMLISTING"> > pn=\@ > </pre> The html-tag pre indicates preformatted text and both Netscape 4 and the Preview 1 of Netscape 6 (I admit my sin: Yes, I'm using Windows 98, too) indent this text. Note: You must activate style sheets and javascript in a 4.x Netscape to see the effect - Netscape 4 handles style sheets by converting them into javascript commands. No javascript -> no style sheets -> left aligned. Even lynx creates the indent. w3m should do that, too. > That results from <programlisting>pn=\@</programlisting>, and I'd assume > conversions to other formats get this right too. My eyes tell me a rather different story :-) /s/Udo -- Q: How do you play religious roulette? A: You stand around in a circle and blaspheme and see who gets struck by lightning first. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 9:50:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE98437C05E for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:50:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA70036; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:50:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A6137B6A9 for <FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:44:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) id e6KGimA51130; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:44:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200007201644.e6KGimA51130@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:44:48 -0700 (PDT) From: bmah@cisco.com (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@cisco.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/20065: [patch] More RELNOTES.TXT patches Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 20065 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [patch] More RELNOTES.TXT patches >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Jul 20 09:50:07 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Bruce A. Mah >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386 >Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. >Environment: 4-STABLE, but these are patches against 5-CURRENT >Description: More patches for RELNOTES.TXT. These patches will apply to both src/release/texts/i386/RELNOTES.TXT and src/release/texts/alpha/RELNOTES.TXT in -CURRENT, with the intent that they can (should?) be MFC-ed before 4.1-RELEASE gets tagged. Alpha folks might want to look some of these entries over to make sure they're still applicable. Summary of new items: 1. Softupdates now in GENERIC kernel. 2. New drivers: agp, twe. 3. ipfilter->3.4.8. 4. KAME update. 5. libalias/natd improvements. 6. IPv6-only installs. Cross-reference: docs/20015 >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Index: RELNOTES.TXT =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/src/release/texts/i386/RELNOTES.TXT,v retrieving revision 1.88 diff -c -r1.88 RELNOTES.TXT *** RELNOTES.TXT 2000/07/19 16:05:37 1.88 --- RELNOTES.TXT 2000/07/20 16:27:19 *************** *** 80,85 **** --- 80,99 ---- Added support for PCI ethernet adapters based on the National Semiconductor DP83815 chipset, including the NetGear FA312-TX. + Due to a licensing change, softupdates have been integrated into the + main portion of the kernel source tree. As a consequence, softupdates + are now available with the GENERIC kernel. [MERGED] + + A driver for AGP hardware has been added. [MERGED] + + ipfilter has been updated to 3.4.8. [MERGED] + + Various fixes and improvements to the IPv6 code have been merged in + from the KAME project, including significantly-improved IPSEC + functionality. [MERGED] + + twe 3ware ATA RAID driver added. [MERGED] + 1.2. SECURITY FIXES ------------------- *************** *** 130,135 **** --- 144,155 ---- ls(1) can produce colorized listings with the -G flag (and appropriate terminal support). [MERGED] + + libalias(3) and natd(8) now support RFC 2391 (Load Sharing using IP + Network Address Translation), as well as new translation options. + [MERGED] + + FreeBSD can now be installed over an IPv6-only network. [MERGED] 2. Supported Configurations --------------------------- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 9:58:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mout1.silyn-tek.de (mout1.silyn-tek.de [194.25.165.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E13937BFB6; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:58:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from [192.168.32.33] (helo=mx1.silyn-tek.de) by mout1.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13FJet-0002MQ-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:58:51 +0200 Received: from p3e9c115b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([62.156.17.91] helo=neutron.cichlids.com) by mx1.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13FJep-00005A-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:58:47 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30638AB91; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:00:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8113114ABB; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:58:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:58:55 +0200 From: Alexander Langer <alex@big.endian.de> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.ORG>, Jonathan Michaels <jon@welearn.com.au>, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Message-ID: <20000720185855.A21635@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <200007181910.MAA03565@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000719094210.A22688@phoenix.welearn.com.au> <20000719164514.D15764@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000720160556.A83098@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000720165812.B64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000720165812.B64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 04:58:12PM +0100 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Ben Smithurst (ben@FreeBSD.ORG): > w3m shows <em> stuff in bold in interactive mode, but it still doesn't > help in the plain text output from -dump. Isn't a -dump options supposed to do so? Alex -- cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 10:40: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDD737BD28 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA77773; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id 9931237C0D2; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20000720173851.9931237C0D2@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:38:51 -0700 (PDT) From: hagi@nandemo.gr.jp To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/20067: src/sbin/nologin/nologin.5 is bad place Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 20067 >Category: docs >Synopsis: src/sbin/nologin/nologin.5 is bad place >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Jul 20 10:40:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Takayuki Hagihara >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE >Organization: >Environment: CVS-CURRENT $FreeBSD: src/sbin/nologin/nologin.5,v 1.7 1999/08/28 00:13:56 peter Exp $ $FreeBSD: src/sbin/nologin/nologin.8,v 1.4 1999/08/28 00:13:56 peter Exp $ >Description: src/sbin/nologin/nologin.5 is misplaced. nologin(5) has no relation to /sbin/nologin. At the first time I read nologin(5) after nologin(8), I misunderstood that /var/run/nologin can change the message of /sbin/nologin. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Please suppress cross references of nologin(5) and nologin(8). Suggestions: move src/sbin/nologin/nologin.5 to src/lib/libutil/ or src/usr.bin/login/ add reference to nologin(5) in src/lib/libutil/login.conf.5 Change nologin(5) DESCRIPTION like, The nologin file disallows logins. If the file /var/run/nologin exists, login programs display the contents of /var/run/nologin to the user and exit. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 11:30: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3771437BC8F for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA84100; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007201830.LAA84100@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@uunet.co.za> Subject: Re: docs/20067: src/sbin/nologin/nologin.5 is bad place Reply-To: Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20067; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Sheldon Hearn <sheldonh@uunet.co.za> To: hagi@nandemo.gr.jp Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/20067: src/sbin/nologin/nologin.5 is bad place Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:25:30 +0200 On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:38:51 MST, hagi@nandemo.gr.jp wrote: > >Fix: > Please suppress cross references of nologin(5) and nologin(8). Personally, I think that the nologin(5) manual page should go away. Instead, the manual pages for those programs which honour its presence should be latered to reflect this (probably by a siple addition to their FILES sections). Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 13:20:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meer.meer.net (meer.meer.net [140.174.164.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390DF37C105 for <FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:20:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevin@quiphons.com) Received: from tilio (pm3b-84.mv.meer.net [209.157.137.84]) by meer.meer.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/meer) with SMTP id NAA187830 for <FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007202019.NAA187830@meer.meer.net> X-Sender: kevin@mail.meer.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:18:38 -0700 To: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.ORG From: Kevin <kevin@quiphons.com> Subject: SUBSCRIBE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org SUBSCRIBE Please subscribe me to your mailing list. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 14: 7:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4681037C15D; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:07:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eogren@rod.darktech.org) Received: from rod.darktech.org (ip244.cambridge2.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.32.112.244]) by kestrel.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18563; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from eogren@localhost) by rod.darktech.org (8.10.1/8.9.3) id e6KL7If02243; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:07:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from eogren) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:07:18 -0400 From: Eric Ogren <eogren@earthlink.net> To: Alexander Langer <alex@big.endian.de> Cc: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.ORG>, Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.ORG>, Jonathan Michaels <jon@welearn.com.au>, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Message-ID: <20000720170717.A315@earthlink.net> References: <200007181910.MAA03565@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000719094210.A22688@phoenix.welearn.com.au> <20000719164514.D15764@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000720160556.A83098@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000720165812.B64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000720185855.A21635@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000720185855.A21635@cichlids.cichlids.com>; from alex@big.endian.de on Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 06:58:55PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FWIW, I looked at the w3m code last night, and it seems to be pretty scary (for me at least :), since w3m has multiple language support. I'll keep looking at it, but I don't think my coding skills are up to modifying w3m to DTRT when -dump is called. Eric On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 06:58:55PM +0200, Alexander Langer wrote: > Thus spake Ben Smithurst (ben@FreeBSD.ORG): > > > w3m shows <em> stuff in bold in interactive mode, but it still doesn't > > help in the plain text output from -dump. > > Isn't a -dump options supposed to do so? > > Alex > > -- > cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 14:35:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0B837C162; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:35:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13FNF3-000J5K-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:48:25 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13FNF3-0000Rb-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:48:25 +0100 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:48:25 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: Alexander Langer <alex@big.endian.de> Cc: Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.ORG>, Jonathan Michaels <jon@welearn.com.au>, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Message-ID: <20000720214825.H64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <200007181910.MAA03565@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000719094210.A22688@phoenix.welearn.com.au> <20000719164514.D15764@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000720160556.A83098@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000720165812.B64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000720185855.A21635@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000720185855.A21635@cichlids.cichlids.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alexander Langer wrote: > Thus spake Ben Smithurst (ben@FreeBSD.ORG): > >> w3m shows <em> stuff in bold in interactive mode, but it still doesn't >> help in the plain text output from -dump. > > Isn't a -dump options supposed to do so? Do what? Just dump the text without special formatting? Possibly, but doing *foo* or _foo_ or something would be nice. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 14:40: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD6637C14E for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA08486; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007202140.OAA08486@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: docs/20056: Bad SGML in the "@ sign" entry of the FAQ Reply-To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20056; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/20056: Bad SGML in the "@ sign" entry of the FAQ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:46:41 +0100 Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 04:54:56PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: >> <pre class="PROGRAMLISTING"> >> pn=\@ >> </pre> > The html-tag pre indicates preformatted text and both Netscape 4 and the > Preview 1 of Netscape 6 (I admit my sin: Yes, I'm using Windows 98, too) > indent this text. Yes. That's what I see too. >> That results from <programlisting>pn=\@</programlisting>, and I'd assume >> conversions to other formats get this right too. > > My eyes tell me a rather different story :-) About what? <programlisting> without the leading white space produces an indent, are you saying the other formats get this wrong? -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 14:41:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mout1.silyn-tek.de (mout1.silyn-tek.de [194.25.165.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A356F37C14F; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:41:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from [192.168.32.33] (helo=mx1.silyn-tek.de) by mout1.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13FO4H-0003Po-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:41:21 +0200 Received: from p3e9c115b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([62.156.17.91] helo=neutron.cichlids.com) by mx1.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13FO4G-0005uv-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:41:21 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD071AB91; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:43:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8C97214A66; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:41:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:41:19 +0200 From: Alexander Langer <alex@big.endian.de> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.org>, Jonathan Michaels <jon@welearn.com.au>, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Message-ID: <20000720234119.A3927@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <200007181910.MAA03565@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000719094210.A22688@phoenix.welearn.com.au> <20000719164514.D15764@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000720160556.A83098@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000720165812.B64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000720185855.A21635@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000720214825.H64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000720214825.H64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 09:48:25PM +0100 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Ben Smithurst (ben@FreeBSD.org): > >> help in the plain text output from -dump. > > Isn't a -dump options supposed to do so? > Do what? Just dump the text without special formatting? Possibly, but > doing *foo* or _foo_ or something would be nice. Yes, ok. However, that should be something like -formatteddump then. Alex -- cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 15: 2:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A0FA37C143 for <FreeBSD-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:02:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from william@indigo2.freeserve.co.uk) Received: from modem-170.new-mexico.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.82.170]) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 13FOOI-0004qI-00 for FreeBSD-doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:02:02 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:58:19 -0700 Subject: <no subject> From: "William Hargrove" <william@indigo2.freeserve.co.uk> To: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <E13FOOI-0004qI-00.2000-07-20-23-02-02@cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe william@indigo2.freeserve.co.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 19:29: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from luna.osd.bsdi.com (luna.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14AF237C326 for <FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:28:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@luna.osd.bsdi.com) Received: by luna.osd.bsdi.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9AF64319E; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:52:05 -0700 From: Jim Mock <jim@luna.osd.bsdi.com> To: Kevin <kevin@quiphons.com> Cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SUBSCRIBE Message-ID: <20000720135205.A653@luna.osd.bsdi.com> Reply-To: jim@luna.osd.bsdi.com References: <200007202019.NAA187830@meer.meer.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.5i In-Reply-To: <200007202019.NAA187830@meer.meer.net>; from kevin@quiphons.com on Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 01:18:38PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 at 13:18:38 -0700, Kevin wrote: > SUBSCRIBE > > Please subscribe me to your mailing list. Please read the web site. http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL - jim -- /* jim mock - berkeley software design, inc - open source division */ /* documentation manager - jim@FreeBSD.org - jim@luna.osd.bsdi.com */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 21:22:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E384B37B5CE for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:22:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from theporterfamily@yahoo.com) Received: from 216-119-41-210.o1.jps.net (HELO compaq) (216.119.41.210) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2000 23:10:39 -0000 X-Apparently-From: <theporterfamily@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001a01bff29f$ca64f8c0$d22977d8@compaq> From: "Loren and Jamie Porter" <theporterfamily@yahoo.com> To: <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: I need your help Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:08:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01BFF264.B4EF5B60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BFF264.B4EF5B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I need your help. For school I am doing a paper on the Unix FreeBSD = operating system. I need to know where I can go to find out what = primary and secondary storage that BSD is designed to interface with and = also the size of the storage. I also need to know if it is capable of = using special hardward to speed its processing and if so, what is the = hardware. =20 Can you help me please??? Thanks for anything you can provide to me. Loren ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BFF264.B4EF5B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.3018.900" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I need your help. For school I am doing a paper on = the Unix=20 FreeBSD operating system. I need to know where I can go to find = out what=20 primary and secondary storage that BSD is designed to interface = with and=20 also the size of the storage. I also need to know if it is capable = of=20 using special hardward to speed its processing and if so, what is the=20 hardware. </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Can you help me please???</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thanks for anything you can provide to = me.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Loren</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01BFF264.B4EF5B60-- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 20 21:40:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7D137B53F for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id VAA63171; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from public.bta.net.cn (public.bta.net.cn [202.96.0.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0213F37B528 for <FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:34:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robinson@netrinsics.com) Received: from netrinsics.com ([202.108.133.1]) by public.bta.net.cn (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00789 for <FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:30:14 +0800 (GMT) Received: (from robinson@localhost) by netrinsics.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA77332; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:35:01 +0800 (+0800) (envelope-from robinson) Message-Id: <200007210435.MAA77332@netrinsics.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:35:01 +0800 (+0800) From: Michael Robinson <robinson@netrinsics.com> Reply-To: robinson@netrinsics.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/20080: SysV IPC kernel parameters are not documented Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 20080 >Category: docs >Synopsis: SysV IPC kernel parameters are not documented >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Jul 20 21:40:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Michael Robinson >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: All FreeBSD kernel configuration files. >Description: The SysV IPC kernel configuration parameters are not documented. >How-To-Repeat: N/A >Fix: --- src/sys/i386/conf/LINT.orig Fri Jul 21 11:45:22 2000 +++ src/sys/i386/conf/LINT Fri Jul 21 12:28:54 2000 @@ -2361,6 +2361,54 @@ options DEBUG_VFS_LOCKS # enable vfs lock debugging options NPX_DEBUG # enable npx debugging (FPU/math emu) +##################################################################### +# SYSV IPC KERNEL PARAMETERS +# +# Maximum number of entries in a semaphore map. +options SEMMAP=31 + +# Maximum number of System V semaphores that can be used on the system at +# one time. +options SEMMNI=11 + +# Total number of semaphores system wide +options SEMMNS=61 + +# Total number of undo structures in system +options SEMMNU=31 + +# Maximum number of System V semaphores that can be used by a single process +# at one time. +options SEMMSL=61 + +# Maximum number of operations that can be outstanding on a single System V +# semaphore at one time. +options SEMOPM=101 + +# Maximum number of undo operations that can be outstanding on a single +# System V semaphore at one time. +options SEMUME=11 + +# Maximum number of shared memory pages system wide. +options SHMALL=1025 + +# Maximum size, in bytes, of a single System V shared memory region. +options SHMMAX="(SHMMAXPGS*PAGE_SIZE+1)" +options SHMMAXPGS=1025 + +# Minimum size, in bytes, of a single System V shared memory region. +options SHMMIN=2 + +# Maximum number of shared memory regions that can be used on the system +# at one time. +options SHMMNI=33 + +# Maximum number of System V shared memory regions that can be attached to +# a single process at one time. +options SHMSEG=9 + +##################################################################### + # More undocumented options for linting. # Note that documenting these are not considered an affront. @@ -2411,19 +2459,6 @@ options SCSI_NCR_MYADDR=7 options SC_DEBUG_LEVEL options SC_RENDER_DEBUG -options SEMMAP=31 -options SEMMNI=11 -options SEMMNS=61 -options SEMMNU=31 -options SEMMSL=61 -options SEMOPM=101 -options SEMUME=11 -options SHMALL=1025 -options SHMMAX="(SHMMAXPGS*PAGE_SIZE+1)" -options SHMMAXPGS=1025 -options SHMMIN=2 -options SHMMNI=33 -options SHMSEG=9 options SHOW_BUSYBUFS # List buffers that prevent root unmount options SIMPLELOCK_DEBUG options SI_DEBUG >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 21 1:41: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC9737B790; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 01:41:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkoshy@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jkoshy@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id BAA98995; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 01:41:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkoshy@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 01:41:01 -0700 (PDT) From: <jkoshy@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <200007210841.BAA98995@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jkoshy@FreeBSD.org, jkoshy@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/18807: No documentation for source upgrades Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: No documentation for source upgrades State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jkoshy State-Changed-When: Fri Jul 21 01:39:51 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: I was mistaken. There /is/ reasonable documentation on upgrading via source on -STABLE. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=18807 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 21 4:27: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A315537B912 for <doc@freebsd.org>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 04:26:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id NAA13339 for doc@freebsd.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:26:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by paula.panke.de.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.8.8) id NAA01282 for doc@freebsd.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:24:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:24:16 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider <wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org> To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: [pais@lokigames.com: Daemon Logo] Message-ID: <20000721132416.C977@paula.panke.de.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Forwarded message from Jason Kim <pais@lokigames.com> ----- Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:21:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Kim <pais@lokigames.com> To: wosch@FreeBSD.org Subject: Daemon Logo Hi, any chance I could obtain high-res versions of the BSD Daemon artwork? Know where I could get it? Thanks so much. ----- Jason Kim Graphic Artist Loki Entertainment Software ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Wolfram Schneider <wolfram@schneider.org> http://wolfram.schneider.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 21 8:10: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C7937BAA0 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:10:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA76766; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:10:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007211510.IAA76766@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> Subject: Re: docs/20056: Bad SGML in the "@ sign" entry of the FAQ Reply-To: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20056; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/20056: Bad SGML in the "@ sign" entry of the FAQ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:02:36 +0200 Hi Ben, my apologies for the late answer, but I wanted to have lots of sleep before I tried to unravel this mess. > > The html-tag pre indicates preformatted text and both Netscape 4 and the > > Preview 1 of Netscape 6 (I admit my sin: Yes, I'm using Windows 98, too) > > indent this text. > > Yes. That's what I see too. Duh. I assumed your statement "the whitespace is not neccessary" meant "the whitespace is ignored". Repeat after me: "assume makes an ass out of u and me" :-( > About what? <programlisting> without the leading white space produces an > indent, are you saying the other formats get this wrong? I compared the indent created by the old version (literallayout) with the new version (programlisting). The default indentation created by <programlisting> (or, to be precise, created by the corresponding HTML code) is much smaller than the indentation created by <literallayout>. I added the additional whitespace to have an almost identical amount of indentation in the new version. BTW: I've found another instance of the original problem: There's a <\@> a few entries later. The patch replaces <\@> with <\@> While I'm here :-) - replace <ulink ...man.cgi>/etc/remote</ulink> with <filename>... - replace <emphasis remap=tt>-Elements with <literal>-elements - replace <literallayout>-elments with <programlisting>-elements - remove the useless <para>-elements around the <programlisting>-elements; this change removes two tidy-warnings - replace the first instance of <ulink..man.cgi>tip</ulink> with &man.tip.1; - replace the second instace of this element with <command>tip</command> and add a command-element around the while of "in a while loop". --- book.sgml.orig Fri Jul 21 16:17:22 2000 +++ book.sgml Fri Jul 21 16:32:40 2000 @@ -8368,30 +8368,26 @@ <para>This is often a problem where a university has several modem lines and several thousand students trying to use them...</para> -<para>Make an entry for your university in <ulink URL="http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi?remote">/etc/remote</ulink> -and use <emphasis remap=tt><\@></emphasis> for the <emphasis remap=tt>pn</emphasis> capability:</para> +<para>Make an entry for your university in <filename>/etc/remote</filename> +and use <literal><\@></literal> for the <literal>pn</literal> capability:</para> -<para> -<literallayout> big-university:\ +<programlisting> big-university:\ :pn=\@:tc=dialout dialout:\ :dv=/dev/cuaa3:br#9600:at=courier:du:pa=none: - </literallayout> -</para> +</programlisting> <para>Then, list the phone numbers for the university in -<ulink URL="http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi?phones">/etc/phones</ulink>:</para> +<filename>/etc/phones</filename>:</para> -<para> -<literallayout> big-university 5551111 +<programlisting> big-university 5551111 big-university 5551112 big-university 5551113 big-university 5551114 - </literallayout> -</para> +</programlisting> -<para><ulink URL="http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi?tip">tip</ulink> will try each one in the listed order, then give up. If -you want to keep retrying, run <emphasis remap=tt>tip</emphasis> in a while loop.</para> +<para>&man.tip.1; will try each one in the listed order, then give up. If +you want to keep retrying, run <command>tip</command> in a <command>while</command> loop.</para> </answer></qandaentry> /s/Udo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 21 8:36: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from opcenter.thecia.net (opcenter.thecia.net [208.218.131.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D3037BC39 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:35:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cmascott@thecia.net) Received: from callisto.local ([216.41.39.78]) by opcenter.thecia.net (8.8.8/8.8.8+djf) with ESMTP id LAA07880 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from cmascott@localhost) by callisto.local (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00295 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:35:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cmascott) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:35:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Carl Mascott <cmascott@thecia.net> Message-Id: <200007211535.LAA00295@callisto.local> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Online Handbook Chapter 18 broken as of 07/21/00 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As of 07/21/00 the online Handbook on www.freebsd.org is broken: table of contents entries 18.3 and A.3 are both linked to the same page, titled "18.3 Synchronizing Your Source". The information previously in the Handbook on how to use anonymous CVS, CTM and CVSup is missing. In the meantime, could someone e-mail me the anonymous CVS instructions? They have changed from the most recent (3.3) Handbook I have on hand. Thanks! P.S. I'm not subscribed to this list. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 21 9: 5:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A74B37BD81 for <doc@freebsd.org>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:05:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13FehW-000L2c-00 for doc@freebsd.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:26:58 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13FehV-0002lC-00 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:26:57 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:26:57 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: man.cgi links in FAQ Message-ID: <20000721162657.J64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I see that the FAQ is the only document under doc/ which includes links to man.cgi. Does anyone have a good reason why these can't be taken out and shot^W replaced with the &man.foo.1; entities, or whatever is appropriate? (Sometimes <filename>, there are a few links to man.cgi?phones(5) and so on.) Ditto for ports.cgi links? I guess <application> would be a suitable replacement for a lot of those. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 21 9:15:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mout2.silyn-tek.de (mout2.silyn-tek.de [194.25.165.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B195637B7F3; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:15:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from [192.168.32.34] (helo=mx2.silyn-tek.de) by mout2.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13FfSF-0004rY-00; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:15:15 +0200 Received: from p3e9d38e7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([62.157.56.231] helo=neutron.cichlids.com) by mx2.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13FfSA-0004cI-00; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:15:12 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC21AB91; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:16:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AA2BA14BAB; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:15:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:15:05 +0200 To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: man.cgi links in FAQ Message-ID: <20000721181505.A1422@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <20000721162657.J64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000721162657.J64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.ORG on Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 04:26:57PM +0100 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. From: alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Ben Smithurst (ben@FreeBSD.ORG): > links to man.cgi. Does anyone have a good reason why these can't > be taken out and shot^W replaced with the &man.foo.1; entities, or > whatever is appropriate? (Sometimes <filename>, there are a few links > to man.cgi?phones(5) and so on.) To, be honest, I'd love to see these replaced, and --for HTML formats-- the &man.; entities link to man.cgi by default. Alex -- cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 21 9:30: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3601437BB50 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:30:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA10561; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:30:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007211630.JAA10561@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: docs/20056: Bad SGML in the "@ sign" entry of the FAQ Reply-To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20056; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/20056: Bad SGML in the "@ sign" entry of the FAQ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:09:12 +0100 Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > BTW: I've found another instance of the original problem: There's a <\@> a > few entries later. The patch replaces <\@> with <\@> > While I'm here :-) > - replace <ulink ...man.cgi>/etc/remote</ulink> with <filename>... I'll be axing all man.cgi unless anyone on -doc objects... > - replace <emphasis remap=tt>-Elements with <literal>-elements > - replace <literallayout>-elments with <programlisting>-elements > - remove the useless <para>-elements around the <programlisting>-elements; > this change removes two tidy-warnings > - replace the first instance of <ulink..man.cgi>tip</ulink> with &man.tip.1; > - replace the second instace of this element with <command>tip</command> > and add a command-element around the while of "in a while loop". A load of that will be fixed in my megapatch too. Patience. :-) -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 21 10:23:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr2.ruhr.de [141.39.224.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE23D37BA97 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:23:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 62125 invoked by alias); 21 Jul 2000 17:25:26 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA74081 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:23:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ue) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:23:48 +0200 From: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: populating man-refs.ent Message-ID: <20000721192348.I66732@nathan.ruhr.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I've had more than my fair share of 'general "man.foo.x" not defined and no default entity"-messages. "man-refs.ent" contains a lot of entities, but a lot of entites are missing, especially for chapter 4 (kernel interfaces). The current policy for man-refs.ent seems to be "only one step at a time". If you need an additional entity, you'll have to add it to man-refs.ent (or find somebody who can add it for you). I'd like to change that, unless there's a good reason to keep this policy. In other words, I want to submit a patch that adds entities for *all* manpages found on an up-to-date current. The list of entites will be created by a perl script. I plan to use this script about once a week to keep up with the developments in currents. Comments? /s/Udo -- >Every program evolves until it is capable of sending email. Except Microsoft Exchange To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 21 10:23:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr2.ruhr.de [141.39.224.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF8D137BD97 for <doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:23:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 62124 invoked by alias); 21 Jul 2000 17:25:26 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA73962; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:54:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ue) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:54:51 +0200 From: Udo Erdelhoff <ue@nathan.ruhr.de> To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: man.cgi links in FAQ Message-ID: <20000721185451.H66732@nathan.ruhr.de> Reply-To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000721162657.J64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000721162657.J64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.ORG on Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 04:26:57PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 04:26:57PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > Does anyone have a good reason why these can't be taken out and shot Well, ammo *is* expensive :-) > replaced with the &man.foo.1; entities, I think it's a good idea. Yodel if you'd like some help. You'll have to complete the list of man entities first. See my next mail. > Ditto for ports.cgi links? I guess <application> would be a suitable > replacement for a lot of those. Either <application> or <command>, we don't have the necessary &man.foo.x; entities for them. /s/Udo -- "What part of no don't you understand?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 21 11:32: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8FC37BE63 for <doc@freebsd.org>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:31:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13FfhV-000LBS-00; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:31:01 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13FfhV-000JdQ-00; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:31:01 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:31:01 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: Alexander Langer <alex@big.endian.de> Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: man.cgi links in FAQ Message-ID: <20000721173101.L64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20000721162657.J64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000721181505.A1422@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000721181505.A1422@cichlids.cichlids.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alexander Langer wrote: > Thus spake Ben Smithurst (ben@FreeBSD.ORG): > >> links to man.cgi. Does anyone have a good reason why these can't >> be taken out and shot^W replaced with the &man.foo.1; entities, or >> whatever is appropriate? (Sometimes <filename>, there are a few links >> to man.cgi?phones(5) and so on.) > > To, be honest, I'd love to see these replaced, and --for HTML > formats-- the &man.; entities link to man.cgi by default. I'd love that too, but you'd need to cope with the situation where the &man.foo entity is already witin a link. In the FAQ, for example, &man.foo is sometimes used within a <question> tag, which then becomes a link from the list of questions at the start of the page to the question and answer itself, if you get what I mean. If there's a way around that though, something like this would be great. I guess you could just not put the link to man.cgi in this case, it wouldn't matter much for these rare cases. Nik? Any other SGML/DocBook/whatever guru? 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=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D --=======kuomAenidraNShmlimilibik=======-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 21 12:44:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nwcst282.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst282.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B23DD37B58A for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:44:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bijupappan@usa.net) Received: (qmail 1354 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2000 19:44:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000721194420.1353.qmail@nwcst282.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.27 by nwcst282 for [202.9.168.94] via web-mailer(34FM1.5A.01A) on Fri Jul 21 19:44:20 GMT 2000 Date: 21 Jul 00 13:44:20 MDT From: biju p To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Hosting service Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM1.5A.01A) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear friend , I would like to know , if you have the service of web hosting , please se= nd me details to my mail adress Thankiing you = Truly = Biju ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 21 12:52:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from columbus.cris.net (columbus.cris.net [212.110.128.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1575237BDEE; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:52:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phantom@ark.cris.net) Received: from ark.cris.net (ark.cris.net [212.110.128.68]) by columbus.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA43481; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:52:13 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by ark.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA52820; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:52:13 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from phantom) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:52:13 +0300 From: Alexey Zelkin To: Ben Smithurst Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/20056: Bad SGML in the "@ sign" entry of the FAQ Message-ID: <20000721225213.B51580@ark.cris.net> References: <200007211630.JAA10561@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200007211630.JAA10561@freefall.freebsd.org>; from ben@FreeBSD.ORG on Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 09:30:03AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 09:30:03AM -0700, Ben Smithurst wrote: > > BTW: I've found another instance of the original problem: There's a <\@> a > > few entries later. The patch replaces <\@> with <\@> > > While I'm here :-) > > - replace /etc/remote with ... > > I'll be axing all man.cgi unless anyone on -doc objects... > Reason ? -- /* Alexey Zelkin && phantom@cris.net */ /* Tavric National University && phantom@FreeBSD.org */ /* Sysadmin/Developer && phantom@sms.umc.com.ua */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 21 12:54:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340D637BDEE; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:54:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.calldei.com) Received: from holly.calldei.com ([208.191.149.190]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FY20028FCLKCD@mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:53:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.calldei.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA77698; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:52:30 -0500 (CDT envelope-from chris) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:52:29 -0500 From: Chris Costello Subject: Re: Hosting service In-reply-to: <20000721194420.1353.qmail@nwcst282.netaddress.usa.net> To: biju p Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <20000721145229.M58968@holly.calldei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.4i References: <20000721194420.1353.qmail@nwcst282.netaddress.usa.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, August 27, 2036, biju p wrote: > Dear friend , > I would like to know , if you have the service of web hosting , please send me > details to my mail adress Sorry, the FreeBSD Documentation Project does not currently host Web sites. We are the documentation project for the FreeBSD operating system at this time. -- |Chris Costello |Machine independent code isn't. `---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 21 13:10: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B0F37BEA6 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id NAA41862; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DAC37BA54 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:01:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) id e6LK1M677892; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:01:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200007212001.e6LK1M677892@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:01:22 -0700 (PDT) From: bmah@cisco.com (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@cisco.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/20091: [patch] Dangling reference in amq.8 manpage Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 20091 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [patch] Dangling reference in amq.8 manpage >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Jul 21 13:10:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Bruce A. Mah >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386 >Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. >Environment: RELENG_4, but applicable to -current also >Description: The amq(8) manpage has a dangling reference to something called ctl-amd(8), which I can't seem to find anywhere. >How-To-Repeat: intruder:amd% find . -name ctl-amd.8 intruder:amd% cd intruder:bmah% man amq | grep ctl-amd Formatting page, please wait...Done. amd.conf(5), amd(8), ctl-amd(8) intruder:bmah% man ctl-amd No manual entry for ctl-amd >Fix: Index: amq.8 =================================================================== RCS file: /cvsroot/src/contrib/amd/amq/amq.8,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -c -r1.5 amq.8 *** amq.8 1999/09/15 05:45:14 1.5 --- amq.8 2000/07/21 19:58:31 *************** *** 195,202 **** database. .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr amd.conf 5 , ! .Xr amd 8 , ! .Xr ctl-amd 8 .Sh AUTHORS .An Jan-Simon Pendry Aq jsp@doc.ic.ac.uk , Department of Computing, Imperial College, London, UK. --- 195,201 ---- database. .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr amd.conf 5 , ! .Xr amd 8 .Sh AUTHORS .An Jan-Simon Pendry Aq jsp@doc.ic.ac.uk , Department of Computing, Imperial College, London, UK. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 21 22:50:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB32137C1E4 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:50:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13FsAG-000N8w-00; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 06:49:32 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13FsAF-000Oay-00; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 06:49:31 +0100 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 06:49:31 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Alexey Zelkin Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/20056: Bad SGML in the "@ sign" entry of the FAQ Message-ID: <20000722064931.M64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <200007211630.JAA10561@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000721225213.B51580@ark.cris.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000721225213.B51580@ark.cris.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alexey Zelkin wrote: > On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 09:30:03AM -0700, Ben Smithurst wrote: > >>> BTW: I've found another instance of the original problem: There's a <\@> a >>> few entries later. The patch replaces <\@> with <\@> >>> While I'm here :-) >>> - replace /etc/remote with ... >> >> I'll be axing all man.cgi unless anyone on -doc objects... > > Reason ? Consistency with the other docs, mainly. Though if you think they should stay, I'll leave them. From the handbook, revision 1.29 date: 1998/08/25 09:06:27; author: nik; state: Exp; lines: +196 -168 ... -> ... I'm guessing Nik had a good reason, so if he tells me that, I'll use that as my reason. :-) -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 22 0:54:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C12F37B7F0 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:54:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13FsGg-000NCw-00 for doc@freebsd.org; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 06:56:10 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13FsGg-000Gyb-00 for doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 06:56:10 +0100 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 06:56:10 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: man.cgi links in FAQ Message-ID: <20000722065610.N64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20000721162657.J64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000721185451.H66732@nathan.ruhr.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000721185451.H66732@nathan.ruhr.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 04:26:57PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > >> Ditto for ports.cgi links? I guess would be a suitable >> replacement for a lot of those. > > Either or , we don't have the necessary &man.foo.x; > entities for them. I think we can add them... No-one has shot me for adding a w3m(1) entity yet, anyway, and there's already some ports man.foo entities (cvsup(1) for example). -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 22 4:41:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr2.ruhr.de [141.39.224.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 27B7D37C204 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 04:41:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 86676 invoked by alias); 22 Jul 2000 11:43:32 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA82841; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 13:41:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ue) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 13:41:48 +0200 From: Udo Erdelhoff To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Ben Smithurst Subject: Re: man.cgi links in FAQ Message-ID: <20000722134148.L66732@nathan.ruhr.de> References: <20000721162657.J64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000721185451.H66732@nathan.ruhr.de> <20000722065610.N64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000722065610.N64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.ORG on Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 06:56:10AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 06:56:10AM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > I think we can add them... No-one has shot me for adding a w3m(1) > entity yet, anyway, and there's already some ports man.foo entities > (cvsup(1) for example). And jade is able to handle large numbers of entities. I've added almost 3300[1] entities to my local copy of man-refs.ent and I'm still able to build the FAQ and the handbook. The effect on the build time is minimal. make clean;time make in /usr/doc/en.../books/handbooks yields: First run: with complete set of entites (3514) real 2m59.574s user 2m55.689s sys 0m0.978s Second run: only the standard entites (220) real 2m57.580s user 2m55.323s sys 0m0.931s The ports tree shouldn't add more than another 5K entities. You could try to harvest the man entities from bento. /s/Udo [1] 3294, to be exact. Ok, entities like &man...1; (for "[(1)"), &man.g...1; (for g++(1)) or &man...syscall.2; for "__syscall(2)" look strange. Unfortunately, neither [ nor + are allowed in entity names. -- I have learned over the years, that if it is the truth you seek, then honesty on your own part, is the best policy. That and torture. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 22 6:50: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A78F37B95F for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 06:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id GAA57615; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 06:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id 3CD8037B894; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 06:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20000722134256.3CD8037B894@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 06:42:56 -0700 (PDT) From: george.russell@clara.net To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/20107: Documention of setup of user ppp does not apply to 4.0 as it did to 3.x Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 20107 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Documention of setup of user ppp does not apply to 4.0 as it did to 3.x >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Jul 22 06:50:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: George Russell >Release: 4.0 Release >Organization: None >Environment: >Description: The documentatin sstates that ifconfig -a will show if you have tun drivers compiled into the kernel for use by user ppp. It does not show in the output if they are there in 4.0, as the tun behaviour has changed. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Mention in 4.0 that it will not appear in the output, and it is included in the GENRRIC kernel anyway, so should work anyway. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 22 8:10: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4150C37B5C5 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 08:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA68008; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 08:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 08:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007221510.IAA68008@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst Subject: Re: docs/20107: Documention of setup of user ppp does not apply to 4.0 as it did to 3.x Reply-To: Ben Smithurst Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20107; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst To: george.russell@clara.net Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/20107: Documention of setup of user ppp does not apply to 4.0 as it did to 3.x Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 15:32:32 +0100 george.russell@clara.net wrote: > The documentatin sstates that ifconfig -a will show if you have tun drivers > compiled into the kernel for use by user ppp. > > It does not show in the output if they are there in 4.0, as the tun behaviour > has changed. >> How-To-Repeat: > >> Fix: > Mention in 4.0 that it will not appear in the output, and it is included > in the GENRRIC kernel anyway, so should work anyway. Does something like this look ok? --- chapter.sgml 2000/07/16 16:43:40 1.26 +++ chapter.sgml 2000/07/18 17:44:57 @@ -156,6 +156,15 @@ inet 203.10.100.1 --> 203.10.100.20 netmask 0xffffffff tun3: flags=8010<POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 + + In FreeBSD 4.0 and later releases, you will only see any + tun devices which have already been + used. This means you might not see any + tun devices. If this is the case, do + not worry; the device should be created dynamically when + ppp attempts to use it. + + This case shows four tunnel devices, two of which are currently configured and being used. It should be noted that the RUNNING flag above indicates that the @@ -209,6 +218,10 @@ &prompt.root; ifconfig tun0 tun0: flags=8010<POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 + + Remember from earlier that you might not see the device if it + has not been used yet, as tun devices are + created on demand in FreeBSD 4.0 and later releases. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 22 9: 0: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DCAE37C230 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 09:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA73498; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 09:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from kirk.dsl.visi.com (kirk.dsl.visi.com [209.98.248.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B2C37B659 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 08:51:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dgl@kirk.dsl.visi.com) Received: (from dgl@localhost) by kirk.dsl.visi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA37980; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:51:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dgl) Message-Id: <200007221551.KAA37980@kirk.dsl.visi.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:51:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Lee Reply-To: dgl@visi.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/20108: Typo in ssh(1) man page (e.i.) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 20108 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Typo in ssh(1) man page (e.i.) >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Jul 22 09:00:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Doug Lee >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-20000718-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: >Description: A line in the ssh(1) page reads it was set when the daemon was started (e.i., the daemon passes ^^^^ <-- i.e. Is such information helpful? >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 22 10:36:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from racine.cybercable.fr (racine.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CE91837B5CA for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:36:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from clefevre@citeweb.net) Received: (qmail 2974539 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2000 17:36:13 -0000 Received: from r227m167.cybercable.tm.fr (HELO gits.dyndns.org) ([195.132.227.167]) (envelope-sender ) by racine.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 22 Jul 2000 17:36:13 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by gits.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07587; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 19:36:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from clefevre@citeweb.net) Posted-Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 19:36:13 +0200 (CEST) To: John Polstra Cc: stable@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CVSup updates (was Re: CVSup server loads (was: Stable broken)) References: <7223761166.20000721003801@buz.ch> <200007210035.RAA17710@vashon.polstra.com> <200007210519.XAA97218@harmony.village.org> <200007210529.WAA36874@vashon.polstra.com> X-Face: V|+c;4!|B?E%BE^{E6);aI.[<97Zd*>^#%Y5Cxv;%Y[PT-LW3;A:fRrJ8+^k"e7@+30g0YD0*^^3jgyShN7o?a]C la*Zv'5NA,=963bM%J^o]C Reply-To: Cyrille Lefevre From: Cyrille Lefevre In-Reply-To: John Polstra's message of "Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:29:19 -0700 (PDT)" Date: 22 Jul 2000 19:36:12 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Canyonlands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Polstra writes: > In article <200007210519.XAA97218@harmony.village.org>, Warner Losh > wrote: > > > The master cvsup server is updated once every 5 minutes. The > > slaves are updated every 10-60 minutes depending on the slave, the > > prevailing network conditions, etc. > > Actually almost all of the slaves (mirrors, as we call them) update > themselves every 60 minutes. None of them do it more frequently > than that. maybe these informations should be put in the handbook ? such as at the top of the following section ? http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/x20825.html#MIRRORS-CVSUP CC: -doc Cyrille. -- home: mailto:clefevre@citeweb.net work: mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre@edf.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 22 10:38:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from yha.att.ne.jp (yha.att.ne.jp [165.76.88.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01FC37B90F for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:38:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from t-iizuka@yha.att.ne.jp) Received: from default (196.pool4.yokohama.att.ne.jp [165.76.92.211]) by yha.att.ne.jp (8.8.8+Spin/3.6W-CONS(10/18/99)) id CAA04472; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 02:38:37 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <000501bff339$c02b1e80$d35c4ca5@default> From: "Tomohiro Iizuka" To: Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCJSQlcyU5JUghPCVrJEskRCQkJEYhJiEmGyhC?= Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 02:33:12 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org $B$O$8$a$^$7$F!"@hF|!V#f#r#e#e!!#B#S#D!W$N(BCD-ROM$B$rGc$$%$%s%9%H!<%k$7$h$&$H$7$F(B $B%V!<%H%U%m%C%T!<$+$i5/F0$5$;$h$&$H$7$?$H$3$m!V#p#r#o#b#i#n#g!!#d#e#v#i#c#e#s(B $B!&!&!&!&!W$G;_$^$C$F$7$^$$$9!#(B Q&A$B$r$_$F$b(BIDE Zip$B$b(BJaz$B%I%i%$%V$b@\B3$5$l$F$$$J$$4D6-$J$N$G!"$I$&$7$?$iNI$$(B $B$b$N$+:$$C$F$7$^$$$^$7$?!#!#(B $B$A$J$_$K;d$N%^%7%s$O(BIBM$B!!(BAptiva$B!!(B2161TAE$B!!$G!"(BU$B#l#t#r#a!!(BSCSI$B!!%$%s%?!<(B $B%U%'!<%9%\!<%I!J(BSC-UPCI$B!K$rIU$1$F$$$^$9!#(B $B2?$+!"$$$$J}K!$r65$($F$/$@$5$$!#(B t-iizuka@yha.att.ne.jp $BHSDM!!CR9-(B To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message