From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 1:40: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B076537B6A5 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 01:40:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id BAA86883; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 01:40:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from eeyore.local.dohd.org (d0030.dtk.chello.nl [213.46.0.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B096137BB60 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 01:31:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from xaa@dohd.cx) Received: from tiggr.local.dohd.org (tiggr.local.dohd.org [::ffff:10.0.0.10]) by eeyore.local.dohd.org (Postfix+IPv6) with ESMTP id 474AFBA9F for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:31:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by tiggr.local.dohd.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 268EB5D75; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:31:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <20000723083125.268EB5D75@tiggr.local.dohd.org> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:31:25 +0200 (CEST) From: xaa@dohd.org Reply-To: xaa@dohd.org To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/20117: *printf manpage doesn't document %n Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 20117 >Category: docs >Synopsis: *printf manpage doesn't document %n >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Jul 23 01:40:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Mark Huizer >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: >Description: I tried to look up the actions of printf("%n"), but it wasn't in the manpage, only in the code >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: This is a lousy bit of description for what it does, but well, it's better than nothing. (Before Format:) Result type: An optional character that indicates the type of the value for use with format characters n, i, o, u and x. 'q' (or 'll') stands for a quad int, 'l' for a long int, 'h' for a short int. Int is default. In the format characters: n Returns the amount of characters output so far, including formating actions. Requires a pointer value to write the value to. Beware: this changes your parameter! >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 2:40: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8A837B8AC for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 02:40:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id CAA91335; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 02:40:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 02:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007230940.CAA91335@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Sheldon Hearn Subject: Re: docs/20117: *printf manpage doesn't document %n Reply-To: Sheldon Hearn Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20117; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Sheldon Hearn To: xaa@dohd.org Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/20117: *printf manpage doesn't document %n Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:36:06 +0200 On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:31:25 +0200, xaa@dohd.org wrote: > I tried to look up the actions of printf("%n"), but it wasn't > in the manpage, only in the code I would urge anyone looking into this to examine the C standard before coming up with his own (possibly inferior) explanation. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 6:10: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A08737BC2E for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 06:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id GAA12272; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 06:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id 0037337BC20; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 06:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20000723130236.0037337BC20@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 06:02:36 -0700 (PDT) From: george.russell@clara.net To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/20121: Better user ppp documentation in man page than in handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 20121 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Better user ppp documentation in man page than in handbook >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Jul 23 06:10:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: George Russell >Release: 4.0 Release >Organization: >Environment: >Description: The user ppp setup information in the handbook, pedantic ppp primer, is not up to date with the state of usr ppp, where as the user ppp man page ( man 8 ppp) is. A link to the page, or incorporation of its content would be very nice to people trying to setup ppp on FreeBSD, especially 4 and greater the Connecting with your internet service provider section, which is aimed at the 90% of users with a single modem connection to the net. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Hmm. Cut n paste would be nasty, a mention of man 8 ppp would be nice, a merge would be best (imho) ;-) >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 7:45:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2752A37BA53; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 07:45:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (root@kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15725; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:26:26 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02493; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:59:42 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:59:42 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Ben Smithurst Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FAQ: "root: not found" messages from cron Message-ID: <20000721225942.D2302@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000719223446.D75784@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000719223446.D75784@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 10:34:46PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 10:34:46PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > This is another question I've seen once too often... Does anyone have any > objections to my proposed answer? Just the one. > + > + Why do I keep getting messages like root: not > + found after editing my crontab file? > + should be And I should document in the primer. . . N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 7:45:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B0737BC32 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 07:45:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (root@kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15726; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:26:26 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02687; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:15:39 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:15:39 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Leonid Ryzhik Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can I DOWNLOAD FreeBSD kernel source guide(manual,description etc.) from Internet for free? Message-ID: <20000721231538.F2302@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from l_ryzhik@hotmail.com on Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 12:07:52PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 12:07:52PM -0700, Leonid Ryzhik wrote: > My question: Can I DOWNLOAD FreeBSD kernel source guide (manual, > description etc.) from Internet for free? The source code, manuals (in particular section 9), and the Handbook and related documentation are all available for free. However, probably the best kernel reference, "The Design and Implementation of the 4.4BSD kernel" by McKusick et al is published commercially, and is not available for free. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 7:48: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68D137BAC7 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 07:47:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (root@kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15729; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:26:26 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05000; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 03:13:22 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 03:13:22 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/19818: /usr/share/man/man8/sysinstall.8 missing Message-ID: <20000722031322.I2302@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200007110720.AAA82411@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="zhXaljGHf11kAtnf" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200007110720.AAA82411@freefall.freebsd.org>; from jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 12:20:06AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 12:20:06AM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Well, we don't do it because sysinstall isn't in the default build > path, is never touched by "make world" or "make distribute", and hence > never makes it into the man pages distribution with all the other > manual pages, even with Nik's patch to the Makefile. How about this approach? Index: Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/share/man/man8/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.16 diff -u -r1.16 Makefile --- Makefile 2000/05/04 17:36:28 1.16 +++ Makefile 2000/07/22 02:58:05 @@ -19,4 +19,11 @@ maninstall:: _SUBDIR .endif +.if exists(${.CURDIR}/../../../release/sysinstall/sysinstall.8) +sysinstall.8: + cp ${.CURDIR}/../../../release/sysinstall/sysinstall.8 ${.CURDIR} + +MAN8+= sysinstall.8 +.endif + .include =================================================================== Completely untested. . . > I've thought of various types of evil hacks to work around this over > the years, but they always seemed more evil than simply omitting the > man page. :-) I had a look at the stub idea. If the above doesn't float your boat, how about adding the attached file as src/share/man/man8/sysinstall.8 and updating the Makefile as necessary. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="sysinstall.8" .\" Copyright (c) 2000 .\" Nik Clayton . All rights reserved. .\" .\" Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without .\" modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions .\" are met: .\" 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright .\" notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. .\" 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright .\" notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the .\" documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. .\" 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software .\" must display the following acknowledgement: .\" This product includes software developed by the University of .\" California, Berkeley and its contributors. .\" 4. Neither the name of the University nor the names of its contributors .\" may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software .\" without specific prior written permission. .\" .\" THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY NIK CLAYTON AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' AND .\" ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE .\" IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE .\" ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL NIK CLAYTON OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE .\" FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL .\" DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS .\" OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) .\" HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT .\" LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY .\" OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF .\" SUCH DAMAGE. .\" .\" $FreeBSD: src/share/man/man8/rc.8,v 1.11 2000/07/19 19:08:08 ben Exp $ .\" .Dd July 21, 2000 .Dt SYSINSTALL 8 .Os FreeBSD .Sh NAME .Nm sysinstall .Nd system installation and configuration tool .Sh DESCRIPTION .Nm is a utility for installing and configuring .Fx systems. A more detailed manual page is included with the .Nm source code. If you have downloaded the source code then the following commands will update .Nm and install the manual page. .Bd -literal -offset indent # cd /usr/src/release/sysinstall # make all install .Ed .Pp This manual page will then be replaced by the complete .Nm manual. .Sh AUTHORS .An Jordan K. Hubbard Aq jkh@FreeBSD.org --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 7:49:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6855E37C2EF; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 07:49:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (root@kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15732; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:26:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02335; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:51:58 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:51:58 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: Ben Smithurst , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/19997: [PATCH] Addition of info about debug kernels to the FAQ Message-ID: <20000721225158.A2302@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200007181250.FAA88127@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000718145850.A18498@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000718140525.P4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718165725.L32297@nathan.ruhr.de> <20000718165342.Z4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000718205446.P32297@nathan.ruhr.de> <20000718205003.L4668@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000719104446.A30735@mithrandr.moria.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000719104446.A30735@mithrandr.moria.org>; from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org on Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 10:44:47AM +0200 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 10:44:47AM +0200, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > They don't create new contributors like they used to. Why, back when I > was a lad, I indented a good 10k lines in the articles. *reminisce* > > Actually, what do people think about splitting the FAQ into multiple > files like it used to be? Good idea. The reason I haven't done it yet is because I wanted to get all the formatting and indentation stuff done while it was one big file, and then split it out in to seperate files afterwards (the same way the Handbook was done). N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 7:50: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA30337BA53 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 07:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA21751; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 07:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 07:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007231450.HAA21751@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: docs/20044: which order to put files in diff for patch? Reply-To: Nik Clayton Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20044; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Nik Clayton To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/20044: which order to put files in diff for patch? Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:57:43 +0000 On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 03:22:15PM -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > If you are like me, when you create a patch, you don't know whether > to write > diff old-file new-file > or > diff new-file old-file cp old-file new-file mv old-file new-file ln old-file new-file diff old-file new-file Unix is pretty consistent about this stuff. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 7:50:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F1937BB6F; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 07:50:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (root@kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15738; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:26:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02409; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:55:25 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:55:25 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Alexander Langer Cc: Nik Clayton , Jonathan Michaels , Ben Smithurst , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/20009: [PATCH] the FAQ needs an entry on bikesheds Message-ID: <20000721225525.B2302@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200007181910.MAA03565@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000719094210.A22688@phoenix.welearn.com.au> <20000719164514.D15764@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000720160556.A83098@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000720160556.A83098@cichlids.cichlids.com>; from alex@big.endian.de on Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 04:05:56PM +0200 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 04:05:56PM +0200, Alexander Langer wrote: > Thus spake Nik Clayton (nik@FreeBSD.ORG): > > > Anyone want to work on patches to w3m that do things like convert > > ... > > As a first step, the correct thing wouldn't be patching w3m but making > the HTML tag. If this was HTML being produced by hand then I'd agree with you. But it's not, and the stylesheets explicitly specify italic, rather than emphasis. The right way to do it would be to switch to using *after* first writing a docbook.css file that (a) looks nice, and (b) makes sure that is mapped to an italic posture. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 9:52:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from stirlitz.carrier.kiev.ua (stirlitz.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A2A37BA53 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 09:52:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kvg@carrier.kiev.ua) Received: from planka.carrier.kiev.ua (root@users.lucky.net [193.193.193.106]) by stirlitz.carrier.kiev.ua (8/Kilkenny_is_better) with ESMTP id TUD88734 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:52:20 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kvg@carrier.kiev.ua) Received: from ln1-21.users.lucky.net (ln1-21.users.lucky.net [193.193.195.21]) by planka.carrier.kiev.ua (8) with ESMTP id TUB94302 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:52:08 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kvg@carrier.kiev.ua) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:53:11 +0400 From: Kostya X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: Kostya X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <17828.000723@carrier.kiev.ua> To: doc@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello doc, Recently found that great FreeBSD.org site.... U guys R great and thanks a lot for suporting The Progect... That helped me a lot in understanding & learning how to use and adnministrate that great product.... But.... therefore there lots of Russian mirrors of the site,I failed to find that great Handbook of yours in Russian... Actually... I've no problem 'bout it.... my English is far not perfect but it's good enougth to understand all the issues on using The Product.... Yeah, just like this: 'The Product' :)) So I've just thought .... is that OK if I do the translation... In Russian.. I mean the Copyright and the things... I won't do this if it's illegal... if it breaks any copyright laws and the things.... I'm good with that 'tecnical (computer-ralated) English' so I guarantee that all the terms and 'special words' will be interpreted correctly... For sure U're the first and ( if U insist) - the only one to recieve the translated version to post. Uh - that's the second part of the question - is that OK to post it on any Russian (or Ukrainian - I'm from Ukraine) NON-COMMERCIAL site? Thank's anyway.... Kostya Guryanov (Thenin) mailto:kvg@carrier.kiev.ua mailto:thenin@mail.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 10:25:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mout2.silyn-tek.de (mout2.silyn-tek.de [194.25.165.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1259837B63A for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:25:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from [192.168.32.33] (helo=mx1.silyn-tek.de) by mout2.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13GPUu-0001tN-00; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:25:04 +0200 Received: from p3e9d38dd.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([62.157.56.221] helo=neutron.cichlids.com) by mx1.silyn-tek.de with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 13GPUs-0000l1-00; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:25:02 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F85AB91; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:26:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2B3F914BAF; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:25:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:25:01 +0200 To: Kostya Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <20000723192501.B9890@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <17828.000723@carrier.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <17828.000723@carrier.kiev.ua>; from kvg@carrier.kiev.ua on Sun, Jul 23, 2000 at 07:53:11PM +0400 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. From: alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Kostya (kvg@carrier.kiev.ua): Hello! Translation into Russian is already in progress, IIRC, it has already been imported into the doc/ tree. You might want to ask Alexey Zelkin what you can do. However, I even think he'll answer himself soon, too. > the second part of the question - is that OK to post it on any > Russian (or Ukrainian - I'm from Ukraine) NON-COMMERCIAL site? Yes, even on commercial sites. The handbook and the translations are kept under a BSD-license, that means, as long as you leave the Copyright intact you can publish it everywhere. Alex -- cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 10:30: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D0137B69F for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:30:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA38983; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007231730.KAA38983@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Mark Huizer Subject: Re: docs/20117: *printf manpage doesn't document %n Reply-To: Mark Huizer Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20117; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Mark Huizer To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Subject: Re: docs/20117: *printf manpage doesn't document %n Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:55:00 +0200 The wise Sheldon Hearn produced the following lines: > On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:31:25 +0200, xaa@dohd.org wrote: > > > I tried to look up the actions of printf("%n"), but it wasn't > > in the manpage, only in the code > > I would urge anyone looking into this to examine the C standard before > coming up with his own (possibly inferior) explanation. > None around :-) But well, I felt guilty not giving at least some attempt to fix it when I PR'ed it -- Mark Huizer - xaa@timewasters.nl - xaa@dohd.cx - xaa@iae.nl If you're not in my dictionary, you're not in my universe. What would you like to be replaced with? (Clippy, the helpful paperclip) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 10:58:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED2937B672; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:58:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13GPWM-000Pz1-00; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:26:34 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13GPWM-000B16-00; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:26:34 +0100 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:26:34 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Nik Clayton Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/19818: /usr/share/man/man8/sysinstall.8 missing Message-ID: <20000723182634.W64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <200007110720.AAA82411@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000722031322.I2302@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000722031322.I2302@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton wrote: > --- Makefile 2000/05/04 17:36:28 1.16 > +++ Makefile 2000/07/22 02:58:05 > @@ -19,4 +19,11 @@ > maninstall:: _SUBDIR > .endif > > +.if exists(${.CURDIR}/../../../release/sysinstall/sysinstall.8) > +sysinstall.8: > + cp ${.CURDIR}/../../../release/sysinstall/sysinstall.8 ${.CURDIR} > + > +MAN8+= sysinstall.8 > +.endif > + > .include > =================================================================== > > Completely untested. . . I don't think that would work for a read-only /usr/src. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 12:48: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FAE337B681; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:47:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13GQcC-00006o-00; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:36:40 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13GQcB-000O0I-00; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:36:39 +0100 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:36:39 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FAQ: "root: not found" messages from cron Message-ID: <20000723193639.X64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20000719223446.D75784@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <20000721225942.D2302@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000721225942.D2302@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton wrote: > On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 10:34:46PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: >> This is another question I've seen once too often... Does anyone have any >> objections to my proposed answer? > > Just the one. > >> + >> + Why do I keep getting messages like root: not >> + found after editing my crontab file? >> + > > should be > > And I should document in the primer. . . But... but... that doesn't seem to give any different rendering in HTML, so it looks a bit odd: Why do I keep getting messages like root: not found after editing my crontab file? With no quotes or anything around ``root: not found'', it just looks weird to me. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 12:52:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D104737B624; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:52:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id MAA52309; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:52:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:52:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007231952.MAA52309@freefall.freebsd.org> To: george.russell@clara.net, ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/20107: Documention of setup of user ppp does not apply to 4.0 as it did to 3.x Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Documention of setup of user ppp does not apply to 4.0 as it did to 3.x State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ben State-Changed-When: Sun Jul 23 20:50:48 BST 2000 State-Changed-Why: Doesn't compile with GTK 1.2 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20107 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 12:54:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6524337B624; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:54:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id MAA52532; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:54:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:54:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007231954.MAA52532@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, ben@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/20107: Documention of setup of user ppp does not apply to 4.0 as it did to 3.x Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Documention of setup of user ppp does not apply to 4.0 as it did to 3.x Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ben Responsible-Changed-By: ben Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Jul 23 20:53:09 BST 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: Hmm, the reason for closing this PR was bogus. I'm not sure what happened, but the file was marked 'readonly' in vi so I couldn't do much else. :-( The real reason was "text updated, thanks!" :-) http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20107 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 14:31:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF2C37B90D; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:31:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13GRv6-0000FL-00; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:00:16 +0100 Received: (from ben) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13GRv6-000Inx-00; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:00:16 +0100 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:00:16 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: george.russell@clara.net, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: committers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/20107: Documention of setup of user ppp does not apply to 4.0 as it did to 3.x Message-ID: <20000723210015.Y64132@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <200007231952.MAA52309@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200007231952.MAA52309@freefall.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ben@FreeBSD.org wrote: > Synopsis: Documention of setup of user ppp does not apply to 4.0 as it did to 3.x > > State-Changed-From-To: open->closed > State-Changed-By: ben > State-Changed-When: Sun Jul 23 20:50:48 BST 2000 > State-Changed-Why: > Doesn't compile with GTK 1.2 > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20107 I don't know what went wrong here. The file to put the reason in came up marked [readonly] in VI, so I couldn't do much else. Anyone know why that would have happened? The reason should have said "Text updated, thanks!". -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D FreeBSD Documentation Project / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 15:40: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729BC37BD15 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:40:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id PAA67689; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:40:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr2.ruhr.de [141.39.224.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7738337BADB for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:33:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 31097 invoked by alias); 23 Jul 2000 22:35:29 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA91863; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:33:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ue) Message-Id: <200007232233.AAA91863@nathan.ruhr.de> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:33:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Udo Erdelhoff Reply-To: ue@nathan.ruhr.de To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/20130: Entities missing from doc/share/sgml/man-refs.ent Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 20130 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Entities missing from doc/share/sgml/man-refs.ent >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Jul 23 15:40:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Udo Erdelhoff >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: Association of frustrated authors armed with Perl >Environment: doc/share/sgml/man-refs.ent rev. 1.43 >Description: People writing documentation for the FDP are supposed to use entities in the form &man.foo.1; to refer to system commands etc. /usr/share/doc/man contains about 3500 manpages (entities needed), man-refs.ent contains 220 entities. >How-To-Repeat: Try to use &man.ng_ether.4; in a document for the FDP. Or &man.netgraph.4; Or &man.ipfw.4; (&man.ipfw.8; works, but I needed a reference to the kernel interface) >Fix: A patch adding the entities from /usr/share/doc can be found at: http://www.ruhr.de/home/nathan/FreeBSD/entity-diff.gz The patch was not included because of its size (29 KByte). MD5 (entity-diff.gz) = 1bdf3722855db56495ce13aeee6a140f A port containing the perl scripts used to create and sort the entities will follow in the next days (Where's a port Makefile template when I need one?) The distfile is already in place at http://www.ruhr.de/home/nathan/FreeBSD/met-1.0.tar.gz MD5 (met-1.0.tar.gz) = 4fadc7c6df1a62491bea7e98f62c125b (Manual Entity Toolkit) >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 20:53:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-177-51.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.177.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1865837B8C6 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:53:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19284 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:03:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200007240403.VAA19284@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:03:08 -0700 From: Mike Smith Subject: RAID controller page update Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: RAID controller page update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:03:08 -0700 From: Mike Smith JFYI, I've updated the RAID controller information page at http://people.freebsd.org/~msmith/RAID with better support listings and a heap of links to vendor pages. - -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] ------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 22:50: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE8937B84C for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id WAA15046; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007240550.WAA15046@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Jim Mock Subject: Re: docs/20130: Entities missing from doc/share/sgml/man-refs.ent Reply-To: Jim Mock Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/20130; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Jim Mock To: Udo Erdelhoff Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/20130: Entities missing from doc/share/sgml/man-refs.ent Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:49:26 -0700 On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 at 00:33:45 +0200, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > >Number: 20130 > >Category: docs > >Synopsis: Entities missing from doc/share/sgml/man-refs.ent > >Confidential: no > >Severity: non-critical > >Priority: medium > >Responsible: freebsd-doc > >State: open [snip..] > >Description: > > People writing documentation for the FDP are supposed to use entities > in the form &man.foo.1; to refer to system commands etc. > /usr/share/doc/man contains about 3500 manpages (entities needed), > man-refs.ent contains 220 entities. I think the major reason for this is that a) stuff that's needed can be added when a document is written, and b) it keeps the file size down. If we add entities for every single man page, chances are, we'll never use at least half of them, so it's kind of overkill to have a huge, bloated man-refs.ent file when it's not necessary. - jim -- /* jim mock - berkeley software design, inc - open source division */ /* documentation manager - jim@FreeBSD.org - jim@luna.osd.bsdi.com */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 23: 5:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rock.ghis.net (rock.ghis.net [209.222.164.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 135CF37BEA2 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:05:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@luna.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from luna.osd.bsdi.com (postfix@pdx10-0-8.transport.com [209.222.143.8]) by rock.ghis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA39335; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by luna.osd.bsdi.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id F080D31A6; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:05:25 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: Wolfram Schneider Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, pais@lokigames.com Subject: Re: [pais@lokigames.com: Daemon Logo] Message-ID: <20000723230525.A12428@luna.osd.bsdi.com> Reply-To: jim@luna.osd.bsdi.com References: <20000721132416.C977@paula.panke.de.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.5i In-Reply-To: <20000721132416.C977@paula.panke.de.freebsd.org>; from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org on Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 01:24:16PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 at 13:24:16 +0200, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > ----- Forwarded message from Jason Kim ----- > > Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:21:43 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jason Kim > To: wosch@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Daemon Logo > > Hi, any chance I could obtain high-res versions of the BSD Daemon artwork? > Know where I could get it? Thanks so much. Hi Jason, Try http://www.cdrom.com/images/daemons/. If you need something better, let me know and I'll get you in touch with our art department. - jim -- /* jim mock - berkeley software design, inc - open source division */ /* documentation manager - jim@FreeBSD.org - jim@luna.osd.bsdi.com */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 23:14:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1057737BA76; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:14:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jim@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id XAA18690; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:14:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:14:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007240614.XAA18690@freefall.freebsd.org> To: stephen@cauchy.math.missouri.edu, jim@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/20044: which order to put files in diff for patch? 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State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jim State-Changed-When: Sun Jul 23 23:13:04 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Not only has this been explained in the audit trail, it is also explained at http://www.FreeBSD.org/docproj/submitting.html. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20044 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 23:15: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F00037BB96; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:15:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id XAA18799; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:15:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:15:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007240615.XAA18799@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jhb@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, jhb@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/20065: [patch] More RELNOTES.TXT patches Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [patch] More RELNOTES.TXT patches Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->jhb Responsible-Changed-By: jhb Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Jul 23 23:13:45 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll look at this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20065 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 23:21: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97B637BB45; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:21:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id XAA19405; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:21:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:21:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007240621.XAA19405@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jhb@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, jhb@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/20080: SysV IPC kernel parameters are not documented Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: SysV IPC kernel parameters are not documented Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->jhb Responsible-Changed-By: jhb Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Jul 23 23:20:19 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll take this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20080 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 23:34: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D23137BAA7; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:34:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jim@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id XAA20836; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:34:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:34:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200007240634.XAA20836@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jim@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, jim@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/20121: Better user ppp documentation in man page than in handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Better user ppp documentation in man page than in handbook Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->jim Responsible-Changed-By: jim Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Jul 23 23:31:23 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll take this. I smell a ppp-handbook somewhere down the road :-) http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20121 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 23 23:45:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rock.ghis.net (rock.ghis.net [209.222.164.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E5337BAE2; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:45:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@luna.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from luna.osd.bsdi.com (pdx10-0-8.transport.com [209.222.143.8]) by rock.ghis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA39717; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by luna.osd.bsdi.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D0AA631A7; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:42:02 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New User's Handbook Part III Message-ID: <20000723234202.A13054@luna.osd.bsdi.com> Reply-To: jim@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000710121458.A43105@luna.osd.bsdi.com> <20000711065351.A5228@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <20000711001955.A923@luna.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.5i In-Reply-To: <20000711001955.A923@luna.osd.bsdi.com>; from jim@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Jul 11, 2000 at 12:19:55AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 at 00:19:55 -0700, Jim Mock wrote: > On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 at 06:53:51 +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 12:14:58PM -0700, Jim Mock wrote: > > > After implementing most of your suggestions, and fixing a few > > > errors that were pointed out to me, I've rebuilt and uploaded the > > > New User's Handbook > > > . > > > > Hmm-m-m-m. > > > > I dunno. It kinda reads like the "FreeBSD Advertising Ourselves" > > Handbook. It's like it's targetted at people who haven't installed > > FreeBSD yet, or made the decision to, rather than people who have > > installed FreeBSD and are now trying to work out what to do with it. > > True. The content is from the existing handbook though, so we probably > oughta re-evaluate that to :-) > > > Chapter 6 is the most "new user-ish" bit there. > > > > It looks like I'm going to be around for the O'Reilly docs session, > > and a couple of days after that. Maybe we could get together at WC > > on Monday or Tuesday and brainstorm around it for a bit? > > Sounds like a plan to me. Since this didn't happen, we might as well do this here :-) As far as content goes, what did you have in mind? The stuff there just came from the existing handbook (as the porters-handbook did), but I'm willing to rewrite/split stuff up -- it'd be good to have some sort of direction when doing so though. If anyone else has ideas on this, I'd like to hear those too. - jim -- /* jim mock - berkeley software design, inc - open source division */ /* documentation manager - jim@FreeBSD.org - jim@luna.osd.bsdi.com */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 24 0:29:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.lokigames.com (www.lokigames.com [63.80.144.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B960237B687 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:29:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pais@lokigames.com) Received: from localhost (pais@localhost) by mail.lokigames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA24631; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:27:56 -0700 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:27:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Kim To: Jim Mock Cc: Wolfram Schneider , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [pais@lokigames.com: Daemon Logo] In-Reply-To: <20000723230525.A12428@luna.osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jim, Thanks. Those should do quite nicely! ----- Jason Kim Graphic Artist Loki Entertainment Software On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Jim Mock wrote: > On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 at 13:24:16 +0200, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > > ----- Forwarded message from Jason Kim ----- > > > > Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:21:43 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Jason Kim > > To: wosch@FreeBSD.org > > Subject: Daemon Logo > > > > Hi, any chance I could obtain high-res versions of the BSD Daemon artwork? > > Know where I could get it? Thanks so much. > > Hi Jason, > > Try http://www.cdrom.com/images/daemons/. If you need something better, > let me know and I'll get you in touch with our art department. > > - jim > > -- > /* jim mock - berkeley software design, inc - open source division */ > /* documentation manager - jim@FreeBSD.org - jim@luna.osd.bsdi.com */ > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 24 1:10: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B4937BB84 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id BAA33294; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.49.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A25A37B506 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:00:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@cauchy.math.missouri.edu) Received: (from stephen@localhost) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id DAA01411; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:00:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200007240800.DAA01411@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:00:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Reply-To: stephen@math.missouri.edu To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/20136: shouldn't use make buildkernel with release version of FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 20136 >Category: docs >Synopsis: shouldn't use make buildkernel with release version of FreeBSD >Confidential: yes >Severity: serious >Priority: high >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Jul 24 01:10:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Stephen Montgomery-Smith >Release: FreeBSD 4.1-RC i386 >Organization: University of Missouri >Environment: >Description: In the handbook in the web page http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html it tells you that if you are using FreeBSD 4.x or higher, that when building a custom kernel, you should use the make buildkernel method instead of the old config method. This is not going to work with FreeBSD 4.1 release, because the make buildkernel method requires ALL the sources, not just /usr/src/sys (which is all the handbook told the user to load.) This problem has already generated one question on the newsgroup comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc, and if the handbook goes out like this when FreeBSD 4.1-release goes out, you will get a load of people saying that they followed the instructions in the handbook and got a make: no target to make error. I made it serious/high priority in the hopes that this will be fixed before 4.1-release gets out. I sent a PR like this a few days ago, but I think it got lost - I certainly had a bad return address on it. I hope that this PR does not appear twice. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- kernelconfig-building-orig.html Sat Jul 22 14:10:21 2000 +++ kernelconfig-building.html Sat Jul 22 14:21:50 2000 @@ -136,7 +136,8 @@

When you are finished, type the following to compile and - install your kernel if you are using FreeBSD prior FreeBSD + install your kernel if you are using any release version (that + is, not stable or current) of FreeBSD, or any version prior to FreeBSD 4.0 and don't want to upgrade to FreeBSD 4.0 or higher with this step.

@@ -165,7 +166,9 @@ "USERINPUT">make install -

For FreeBSD 4.x or later (or upgrading from FreeBSD 3.x to +

If you are tracking stable or current (that is, you are not + using a release version), then for FreeBSD 4.x or later + (or upgrading from FreeBSD 3.x to FreeBSD 4.x or higher), use the following commands (be sure you have built world before!):



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Somehow I made this PR confidential, which I didn't mean it to be.

Any chance of removing the confidentiality?

gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org wrote:
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> Thank you very much for your problem report.
> It has the internal identification `docs/20136'.
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On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:16:57 EST, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:

> Somehow I made this PR confidential, which I didn't mean it to be.
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> Any chance of removing the confidentiality?

Done.

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On Fri 2000-07-21 (22:51), Nik Clayton wrote:
> Good idea.  The reason I haven't done it yet is because I wanted to get 
> all the formatting and indentation stuff done while it was one big file,
> and then split it out in to seperate files afterwards (the same way the
> Handbook was done).

Ah.  My theory was that'd it be easier to do the formatting and
indentation on the bunch of smaller files.

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hi,

On Sun, Jul 23, 2000 at 07:53:11PM +0400, Kostya wrote:
 
>   But....  therefore there lots of Russian mirrors of the site,I
>   failed to find that great Handbook of yours in Russian...

Handbook is under translation now. I have answered more deeply
in private mail.

>   For sure U're the first and ( if U insist) - the only one to
>   recieve the translated version to post. Uh - that's
>   the second part of the question - is that OK to post it on any
>   Russian (or Ukrainian - I'm from Ukraine) NON-COMMERCIAL site?

Hmm... Not sure that understand you correctly, but when handbook
will be translated -- it'll be placed on official FreeBSD web site
(as http://www.FreeBSD.org/ru/handbook/) and mirrored to all web
mirrors.

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Thanks. I already subscribed to the list in the proper way.
Concerning your question, ...you know in these days everything
is as far as clicking with your mouse to a link on a hypertext doc.
So I think I just followed the wrong link  ( a mailto one) in the
FreeBSD Handbook  in html format:

   http://www.no.freebsd.org/handbook/current-stable.html

were it recommends (section 18.2.2.3) people to subscribe to this list
if intending to upgrade/follow the stable branch. The correct way of doing it
is however properly described there (blame me) .
But (there is always a "but" ....) I think to make the subscription procedure
"fool-proof", most of the e-mail addresses in that and similar paragraphs shoud
not be hhtp links but raw text. Only the majordomo@FreeBSD should be kept
as a http "mailto" link in that page. In that  way people won't even have the
chance to "click" except to the right address: majordomo@FreeBSD.org

I am sending a copy of this mail to doc@FreeBSD.org to see if they find this
suggestion sensible.

Thanks,

Lazaro,




From:  "B. K. Minazzi" @denverweb.net on 21.07.2000 15:31

Sent by:  Blaine@denverweb.net


To:    Lazaro Daniel Salem@Statoil
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Subject:  Re: subscribe



YOu need to send subscribe requests to majordomo@freebsd.org

with subscribe freebsd-stable in the body.

Just out of curiosity, what gave you the impression that you send the
sub request to the list itself? ( curious, as we get a lot of these,
and, I made the same mistake myself.  If everyone is making the same
mistake, it's not because WE are all stupid.

   :-)

Blaine



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Hi all-

 Just had a quick thought and I figured I might as well throw it out into
public. If you read cvs-all, you know that anybody who submits an accepted
port is added into the "Additional Contributors" page of the handbook. Is
there any reason why doc submissions don't get the same treatment? 
 Certainly, adding someone to the list would have to be somewhat
subjective; after all, I don't think someone just submitting a typo patch
should be placed on the list, but there are many people who have
contributed valuable things to the docproj, and it might be nice to
recognize them.

[Note: This is not some attempt to get my name in lights, I couldn't care
less if I show up on that list or not; however, I think that having ports
contributors and not doc submitters show up on the list gives the
impression that the ports system is more important than the docs, which
IMO isn't true].

Comments?

Eric


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> But (there is always a "but" ....) I think to make the subscription procedure
> "fool-proof", most of the e-mail addresses in that and similar paragraphs sho
ud
> not be hhtp links but raw text. Only the majordomo@FreeBSD should be kept
> as a http "mailto" link in that page. In that  way people won't even have the
> chance to "click" except to the right address: majordomo@FreeBSD.org

I totally agree.  Does somebody on doc want to do this or should I
dive on it?

In fact, to be honest I think we should just change the referenced
entities in mailing-lists.ent to no longer be marked up with 
tags.  This is a problem pretty much everywhere we reference a mailing
list and it's the reported cause of more than a few bogus subscribe
messages.

And yes, I've already heard the idea of having a filter which grabs
those messages and filters/does the right thing with them and I've
heard it more than once.  Everybody suggests it, but nobody wants to
wade into our mail-handling scripts and actually implement such a
thing, so let's just fix the problem at the source. :)

- Jordan


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Current FreeBSD problem reports

The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users.
These represent problem reports covering all versions including
experimental development code and obsolete releases.

Bugs can be in one of several states:

o - open
     A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed.

a - analyzed
     The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated.

f - feedback
     The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a
     patch or a fix has been committed.  The PR remains in this state
     pending a response from the originator.

s - suspended
     The problem is not being worked on.  This is a prime candidate
     for somebody who is looking for a project to do.
     If the problem cannot be solved at all,
     it will be closed, rather than suspended.

c - closed
     A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated,
     documented, and tested.

Critical problems
Serious problems

S  Submitted   Tracker     Resp.    Description
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
o [2000/07/18] docs/20028  doc      ASCII docs should reflect  tags
o [2000/07/23] docs/20117  doc      *printf manpage doesn't document %n
o [2000/07/24] docs/20136  doc      shouldn't use make buildkernel with relea

3 problems total.

Non-critical problems

S  Submitted   Tracker     Resp.    Description
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
a [1998/07/31] docs/7456   doc      dialog(3) man page outdated
o [1999/04/07] docs/10997  doc      Problem with query-pr-summary.cgi
o [1999/09/25] docs/13950  doc      webpage idea
o [1999/09/25] docs/13967  doc      FreeBSD Related Publications in Korea
o [1999/10/06] docs/14158  doc      md5(1) manpage should not claim the md5 a
o [1999/10/27] docs/14565  doc      ioctl() codes for device type `fd' (flopp
o [1999/11/03] docs/14682  doc      lprm(1) unaware of lp(1) Environment Vari
o [2000/03/18] docs/17470  doc      Missing man page: pthread_yield
f [2000/03/20] docs/17521  doc      Proposed FAQ on assembly programming
o [2000/03/25] docs/17598  doc      installworld over NFS documentation no lo
o [2000/05/03] docs/18379  doc      Information on SSH hard to find in Handbo
o [2000/05/19] docs/18674  doc      ntptime.htm and ntptime.8
o [2000/06/05] docs/19010  doc      Bad144 obsoletion by 4.0 is undocumented;
o [2000/06/23] docs/19481  doc      Serial Communications chapter in Handbook
o [2000/06/25] docs/19507  doc      Mailing-list search at www.freebsd.org re
o [2000/07/10] docs/19818  doc      /usr/share/man/man8/sysinstall.8 missing
o [2000/07/17] docs/19981  doc      Indonesian translations
o [2000/07/17] docs/19995  doc      keymap(5) missing from manual in 3.4-RELE
o [2000/07/20] docs/20067  doc      src/sbin/nologin/nologin.5 is bad place
o [2000/07/21] docs/20091  doc      [patch] Dangling reference in amq.8 manpa
o [2000/07/22] docs/20108  doc      Typo in ssh(1) man page (e.i.)
o [2000/07/23] docs/20130  doc      Entities missing from doc/share/sgml/man-

22 problems total.



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hi freebsd-doc

i run freebsd 4.0 release
in the kernel config file i could find those entries:

# RAID controllers
    device          ida        # Compaq Smart RAID
    device          amr        # AMI MegaRAID
    device          mlx        # Mylex DAC960 family

unfortunally i couldnt find a list (in hardware requirements)
which models would run on freebsd

would "RAID Adaptec AAA 131U2-Kit Ultra-WideSCSI
       PCI-Controller 80MB/s 1-Channel 15 Devices" run for instance ?

could you please provide me a list of raid controllers and/or
tell on which url i can find a such

thanx for your help!
catty  %-)



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Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> > But (there is always a "but" ....) I think to make the subscription procedure
> > "fool-proof", most of the e-mail addresses in that and similar paragraphs sho
> ud
> > not be hhtp links but raw text. Only the majordomo@FreeBSD should be kept
> > as a http "mailto" link in that page. In that  way people won't even have the
> > chance to "click" except to the right address: majordomo@FreeBSD.org
> 
> I totally agree.  Does somebody on doc want to do this or should I
> dive on it?
> 
> In fact, to be honest I think we should just change the referenced
> entities in mailing-lists.ent to no longer be marked up with 
> tags.  This is a problem pretty much everywhere we reference a mailing
> list and it's the reported cause of more than a few bogus subscribe
> messages.
> 
> And yes, I've already heard the idea of having a filter which grabs
> those messages and filters/does the right thing with them and I've
> heard it more than once.  Everybody suggests it, but nobody wants to
> wade into our mail-handling scripts and actually implement such a
> thing, so let's just fix the problem at the source. :)

Umm, actually, Jordan, majordomo has an option to do just that.
 
> - Jordan

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> Umm, actually, Jordan, majordomo has an option to do just that.

If that is so, the postmaster has never seen fit to use it and my
point still stands. :) This problem has existed for *years* and the
chances of some quick, automated fix are nothing I'd be willing to
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On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 09:56:52AM -0400, Eric Ogren wrote:
>  Just had a quick thought and I figured I might as well throw it out into
> public. If you read cvs-all, you know that anybody who submits an accepted
> port is added into the "Additional Contributors" page of the handbook. Is
> there any reason why doc submissions don't get the same treatment? 
>  Certainly, adding someone to the list would have to be somewhat
> subjective; after all, I don't think someone just submitting a typo patch
> should be placed on the list, but there are many people who have
> contributed valuable things to the docproj, and it might be nice to
> recognize them.

Generally, I think this is covered in the intro blurb to most sections.  If
someone sends in a patch and doesn't update that section to add their own
name then that's OK, and if they do then that's OK too.

We could just start adding everybody who submits a patch, but as you say,
you either have to include everyone, or start being subjective.  I don't
have a problem with including everyone if someone wants to manage that
section. . .

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On Sun, Jul 23, 2000 at 07:36:39PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote:
> Nik Clayton wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 10:34:46PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote:
> >> This is another question I've seen once too often...  Does anyone have any
> >> objections to my proposed answer?
> > 
> > Just the one.
> > 
> >> +        
> >> +          Why do I keep getting messages like root: not
> >> +            found after editing my crontab file?
> >> +        
> > 
> >  should be 
> > 
> > And I should document  in the primer. . .
> 
> But... but... that doesn't seem to give any different rendering in HTML,
> so it looks a bit odd:
> 
>         Why do I keep getting messages like root: not found after
>         editing my crontab file?
> 
> With no quotes or anything around ``root: not found'', it just looks
> weird to me.

    (element errorname ($mono-seq$
      (make sequence
        (make entity-ref name: "ldquo")
        (process-children)
        (make entity-ref name: "rdquo"))))

in freebsd.dsl should solve that.  Using things like  means
that we can expand some of the automatically generated tables.  As well as
a table of contents and a table of examples we could have a table of error
messages. . .

If that works for you then feel free to commit it to freebsd.dsl (right
around the place we do the same thing to the  element).

N
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On Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 06:49:31AM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote:
> >>  I'll be axing all man.cgi unless anyone on -doc objects...
> >
> > Reason ?
> 
> Consistency with the other docs, mainly.  Though if you think they
> should stay, I'll leave them.
> 
> >From the handbook,
> 
> revision 1.29
> date: 1998/08/25 09:06:27;  author: nik;  state: Exp;  lines: +196 -168
> ... -> ...
> 
> I'm guessing Nik had a good reason, so if he tells me that, I'll use
> that as my reason. :-)

It should be possible to write some DSSSL that turns the 
stuff into appropriate man.cgi references.  Actually, I've been meaning
to do this for some time. . .

[ Time passes.  Thorin starts singing about gold. . . ]

OK, try putting the following DSSSL in to the %output.html; section of
freebsd.dsl.

------------ 8< ------------ 8< ------------ 8< ------------ 8< ------------ 

(element citerefentry
  (let ((ref (select-elements (descendants (current-node))
                              (normalize "refentrytitle")))
        (vol (select-elements (descendants (current-node))
                              (normalize "manvolnum"))))
    (make element gi: "a"
          attributes: (list (list "href" (string-append
                                  "http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi?" 
                                  (data (node-list-first ref)) 
                                  "(" 
                                  (data (node-list-first vol)) ")")))
      (process-children))))
------------ 8< ------------ 8< ------------ 8< ------------ 8< ------------

To do this properly we'd probably a mancgi-links variable that would default
to #f, and the stylesheets can set that to #t as necessary.

That's probably not the most efficient way to do things.  But it's a start.

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On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 11:03:49AM +0200, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote:
> On Fri 2000-07-21 (22:51), Nik Clayton wrote:
> > Good idea.  The reason I haven't done it yet is because I wanted to get 
> > all the formatting and indentation stuff done while it was one big file,
> > and then split it out in to seperate files afterwards (the same way the
> > Handbook was done).
> 
> Ah.  My theory was that'd it be easier to do the formatting and
> indentation on the bunch of smaller files.

I don't actually care, as long as someone else does the work :-)

However, before we do any of that, don't we have a new FAQ structure looming
on the horizon ().  If we do then it'd be
better to get that in place before casting our existing structure in to 
stone (or a directory layout).

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OK. I got the impression from a thread a couple of months ago (whose
name I can't remember) that we were trying to reduce/remove all of
those intro blurbs. If that's not the case, then nevermind. :)

 This does still leave the FAQ though; do we want to include
"This question submitted by X" at the bottom of a bunch of questions
if somebody puts it there (I don't know if anybody does this or not),
or do we want to create a new  under the ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS chapter
to move this info to? 
 I'm still just kind of throwing out ideas off the top of my head,
so don't hesitate to tell me if they seem unreasonable. :)



Eric

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nik Clayton [mailto:nik@FreeBSD.ORG]
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 1:29 PM
> To: Eric Ogren
> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: Page for doc contributors?
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 09:56:52AM -0400, Eric Ogren wrote:
> >  Just had a quick thought and I figured I might as well 
> throw it out into
> > public. If you read cvs-all, you know that anybody who 
> submits an accepted
> > port is added into the "Additional Contributors" page of 
> the handbook. Is
> > there any reason why doc submissions don't get the same treatment? 
> >  Certainly, adding someone to the list would have to be somewhat
> > subjective; after all, I don't think someone just 
> submitting a typo patch
> > should be placed on the list, but there are many people who have
> > contributed valuable things to the docproj, and it might be nice to
> > recognize them.
> 
> Generally, I think this is covered in the intro blurb to most 
> sections.  If
> someone sends in a patch and doesn't update that section to 
> add their own
> name then that's OK, and if they do then that's OK too.
> 
> We could just start adding everybody who submits a patch, but 
> as you say,
> you either have to include everyone, or start being 
> subjective.  I don't
> have a problem with including everyone if someone wants to manage that
> section. . .
> 
> N
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> there's MasterCard.
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On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 at 18:28:30 +0100, Nik Clayton wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 09:56:52AM -0400, Eric Ogren wrote:
> >  Just had a quick thought and I figured I might as well throw it
> > out into public. If you read cvs-all, you know that anybody who
> > submits an accepted port is added into the "Additional
> > Contributors" page of the handbook. Is there any reason why doc
> > submissions don't get the same treatment? 
> >  Certainly, adding someone to the list would have to be somewhat
> > subjective; after all, I don't think someone just submitting a typo
> > patch should be placed on the list, but there are many people who
> > have contributed valuable things to the docproj, and it might be
> > nice to recognize them.
> 
> Generally, I think this is covered in the intro blurb to most sections.
> If someone sends in a patch and doesn't update that section to add
> their own name then that's OK, and if they do then that's OK too.
> 
> We could just start adding everybody who submits a patch, but as you
> say, you either have to include everyone, or start being
> subjective.  I don't have a problem with including everyone if someone
> wants to manage that section. . .

I can take this on if the desire to have such a thing is great enough..

- jim

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From owner-freebsd-doc  Mon Jul 24 12:53:40 2000
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Hi guys,

I've taken a recent working build of the doc/ tree and tagged it ready
for the release.  If you checkout RELEASE_4_1_0 in the doc/ tree you'll
get what's going to be used for the release build.

[ Yes, it's not RELENG_..., that's deliberate ]

Let me know if there's anything you want to commit that desperately has
to make the release, and I'll slide tags as necessary.

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On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, catty wrote:

> hi freebsd-doc
> 

Ummm, freebsd-scsi or freebsd-hardware would probably be more appropriate

> i run freebsd 4.0 release
> in the kernel config file i could find those entries:
> 
> # RAID controllers
>     device          ida        # Compaq Smart RAID
>     device          amr        # AMI MegaRAID
>     device          mlx        # Mylex DAC960 family
> 
> unfortunally i couldnt find a list (in hardware requirements)
> which models would run on freebsd
> 
> would "RAID Adaptec AAA 131U2-Kit Ultra-WideSCSI
>        PCI-Controller 80MB/s 1-Channel 15 Devices" run for instance ?
> 
> could you please provide me a list of raid controllers and/or
> tell on which url i can find a such
> 

http://people.FreeBSD.org/~msmith/RAID/

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The following reply was made to PR docs/20130; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: Udo Erdelhoff 
To: Jim Mock 
Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: docs/20130: Entities missing from doc/share/sgml/man-refs.ent
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:43:46 +0200

 Jim,
 > I think the major reason for this is that
 > a) stuff that's needed can be added when a document is written, and
 
 right now, only a few people use the FDP toolchain and the "one entity
 at a time" policy seems to work. The reason for the tools behind the
 patch was the following cycle:
 
 1) I want to/have to use &man.foo.x;
 2) Switch to another window, check man-refs.ent
 3) Swear, go to the start of the document, copy&paste a definition and
    add the entity I need
 4) Go back and continue writing
 
 or
 
 1) "I'm sure I can use &man.foo.x;"
 2) make
 3) "jade... general entity man.foo.x not defined...
 4) open document, add the definition, go to step 2
 
 It's extremly frustrating (not to mention a waste of time) that almost
 every use of &man.foo.x causes a loop through one of this cycles. Ok,
 that's the price for going where nobody has gone before (writing a
 PPPoE-HOWTO).
 
 But that's only the first step. I've finished my document and I have
 a couple entity definitions in it. That's just a bandaid, so I'll
 have to write a PR, somebody has to read it, add the entities and
 commit the changes.
 
 I get the "entities added, thanks" mail and run cvsup to get the new
 man-refs.ent. But I can't remove my entity definitions unless I
 replace them with a .
 
 The current system (add when needed) works because almost all of the
 .sgml-files are either documents for the FreeBSD Documentation Project or
 translations of them; and they update their /usr/doc-trees regularily.
 
 If people start to use the tools outside this context, this system
 will break.
 
 > b) it keeps the file size down.
 
 200 KByte are a small price to remove the problems outlined above. I
 was afraid that the build times would explode. Fortunately, that's
 not the case.
 
 > If we add entities for every single man page, chances are, we'll never
 > use at least half of them, so it's kind of overkill to have a huge,
 > bloated man-refs.ent file when it's not necessary.
 
 Hmm, using 
 s/man page/command/
 s/entities/man pages/
 s/man-refs.ent/\/usr\/share\/man/
 
 on your statement gives:
 
 "If we add man pages for every single command, chances are, we'll never
 use at least half of them, so it's kind of overkill to have a huge,
 bloated /usr/share/man file when it's not necessary."
 
 A similiar argument could be used against 90% of the ports, the files
 and directories in /usr/share/locale and most of the translation projects.
 All three exist for a good reason.
 
 /s/Udo
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Nik Clayton wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> I've taken a recent working build of the doc/ tree and tagged it ready
> for the release.  If you checkout RELEASE_4_1_0 in the doc/ tree you'll
> get what's going to be used for the release build.
> 
> [ Yes, it's not RELENG_..., that's deliberate ]
> 
> Let me know if there's anything you want to commit that desperately has
> to make the release, and I'll slide tags as necessary.

Well, I just did a cvsup of docs and these are the first block of
errors that I am getting

===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/diskless-x
===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/fonts
===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/formatting-media
===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/ipsec-must
sgmlnorm -c /usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog article.sgml >
article.html
sgmlnorm:E: cannot open "/usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog" (No such
file or di
rectory)
sgmlnorm:article.sgml:1:61:W: cannot generate system identifier for
public text
"-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"
sgmlnorm:article.sgml:1:61:E: reference to entity "HTML" for which no
system ide
ntifier could be generated
sgmlnorm:article.sgml:1:0: entity was defined here
sgmlnorm:article.sgml:1:61:E: DTD did not contain element declaration
for docume
nt type name
sgmlnorm:article.sgml:3:5:E: element "HTML" undefined
sgmlnorm:article.sgml:4:7:E: element "HEAD" undefined
sgmlnorm:article.sgml:5:10:E: element "TITLE" undefined
sgmlnorm:article.sgml:8:13:E: there is no attribute "TEXT"
sgmlnorm:article.sgml:8:31:E: there is no attribute "BGCOLOR"
sgmlnorm:article.sgml:8:40:E: element "BODY" undefined
sgmlnorm:article.sgml:10:7:E: element "H1" undefined

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On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 01:18:42PM -0700, Kent Stewart wrote:
> Well, I just did a cvsup of docs and these are the first block of
> errors that I am getting
> 
> ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/diskless-x
> ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/fonts
> ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/formatting-media
> ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/ipsec-must
> sgmlnorm -c /usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog article.sgml >
> article.html
> sgmlnorm:E: cannot open "/usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog" (No such
> file or di
> rectory)

You don't have the ports installed.  Either install them by hand, or
install textproc/docproj, which should do it for you.

N
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Nik Clayton wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 01:18:42PM -0700, Kent Stewart wrote:
> > Well, I just did a cvsup of docs and these are the first block of
> > errors that I am getting
> >
> > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/diskless-x
> > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/fonts
> > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/formatting-media
> > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/ipsec-must
> > sgmlnorm -c /usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog article.sgml >
> > article.html
> > sgmlnorm:E: cannot open "/usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog" (No such
> > file or di
> > rectory)
> 
> You don't have the ports installed.  Either install them by hand, or
> install textproc/docproj, which should do it for you.

Have you changed docproj because I've been following your docs for
quite a while.

Kent

> 
> N
> --
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> Telephone line, $24.95 a month.  Software, free.  USENET transmission,
> hundreds if not thousands of dollars.  Thinking before posting, priceless.
> Somethings in life you can't buy.  For everything else, there's MasterCard.
>   -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery

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Nik Clayton wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 01:18:42PM -0700, Kent Stewart wrote:
> > Well, I just did a cvsup of docs and these are the first block of
> > errors that I am getting
> >
> > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/diskless-x
> > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/fonts
> > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/formatting-media
> > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/ipsec-must
> > sgmlnorm -c /usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog article.sgml >
> > article.html
> > sgmlnorm:E: cannot open "/usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog" (No such
> > file or di
> > rectory)
> 
> You don't have the ports installed.  Either install them by hand, or
> install textproc/docproj, which should do it for you.

Its an OOP's. I didn't change the shell prompt on my user and I
thought I was root. I su'ed to root and everything appears to be ok.

Kent

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>   -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery

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Nik Clayton wrote:

>     (element errorname ($mono-seq$
>       (make sequence
>         (make entity-ref name: "ldquo")
>         (process-children)
>         (make entity-ref name: "rdquo"))))
> 
> in freebsd.dsl should solve that.  Using things like  means
> that we can expand some of the automatically generated tables.  As well as
> a table of contents and a table of examples we could have a table of error
> messages. . .

          
Q: Why do I keep getting
          messages like “root: not
          found” after editing my crontab file?


Doesn't look right, first because it should be `` and '' in HTML, and
second because the quotes shouldn't be inside the .  I put it just after
the  bit:

--- freebsd.dsl 2000/03/23 09:00:16     1.14
+++ freebsd.dsl 2000/07/24 20:51:48
@@ -141,6 +141,15 @@
             (process-children)
             (literal ">"))))
 
+
+      
+
+      (element errorname ($mono-seq$
+        (make sequence
+          (make entity-ref name: "ldquo")
+          (process-children)
+          (make entity-ref name: "rdquo"))))
+
       
> (element citerefentry
>   (let ((ref (select-elements (descendants (current-node))
>                               (normalize "refentrytitle")))
>         (vol (select-elements (descendants (current-node))
>                               (normalize "manvolnum"))))
>     (make element gi: "a"
>           attributes: (list (list "href" (string-append
>                                   "http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi?" 
>                                   (data (node-list-first ref)) 
>                                   "(" 
>                                   (data (node-list-first vol)) ")")))
>       (process-children))))
> ------------ 8< ------------ 8< ------------ 8< ------------ 8< ------------

Works nicely, except in the case I mentioned in my other mail, where a
&man.foo entity is already used within a link, so you get this:

          
Q: Why does top(1) show very little free
          memory even when I have very few programs
          running?


Should these rare cases just be changed, or can you add some more magic
to that stuff to make the link not be created if the text is already
within a link?

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Hi,
while poking around the doc dir, I've found a couple instances articles
that use  to close the current in-line element. Jade accepts these
constructso they're obviously not illegal. On the other, I don't think
they're good style, either.

Fixing them should be rather easy. Opinions?

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On page:

http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install-guide.html

it says

If you are using the floppies from the CD-ROM, and your CD-ROM is the
E: drive then you would run this:

         E:\> tools\fdimage floppies\kern.flp

     Repeat this command for each .flp file, replacing the floppy disk
each time.

You should add an A: to the end of the line.  Its easy to spot, but
someone else might have trouble

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On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 at 00:12:25 +0200, Udo Erdelhoff wrote:
> Hi,
> while poking around the doc dir, I've found a couple instances
> articles that use  to close the current in-line element. Jade
> accepts these constructso they're obviously not illegal. On the other,
> I don't think they're good style, either.

It's valid DocBook, IIRC, so that's why it doesn't complain about them,
but I do agree with you on the style point though.

> Fixing them should be rather easy. Opinions?

I've been changing the ones I've come across -- I think changing them is
a good thing.

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At 24 Jul 2000 06:45:17 GMT,
Jim Mock  wrote:
> Since this didn't happen, we might as well do this here :-)  As far as
> content goes, what did you have in mind?  The stuff there just came from
> the existing handbook (as the porters-handbook did), but I'm willing to
> rewrite/split stuff up -- it'd be good to have some sort of direction
> when doing so though.  If anyone else has ideas on this, I'd like to
> hear those too.

Rewriting and splitting without considering translation may harm
translators.  Of course, re-organizing text to brush up is generally
good idea.  And I know considering translation during re-organizing is
bothered.

So, please separate "content changes" and "structual changes" and
commit them separately.

This is not specific to this thread, but I think all other translation
projects have same with.


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At 21 Jul 2000 17:30:10 GMT,
Udo Erdelhoff  wrote:
> The current policy for man-refs.ent seems to be "only one step at a time".
> If you need an additional entity, you'll have to add it to man-refs.ent
> (or find somebody who can add it for you).

According to doc/ja_JP.eucJP/man, it seems there are about 1200
manpages.  And currently we have about 200 entries in man-refs.ent.

I don't know what we should do, but many entities in man-refs.ent may
make buidling documents slow down.  And jade will eat more memory to
keep entities.

IMHO, current method is enough if committers test to build doc tree
before their commits.


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On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 10:15:13PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote:
> Works nicely, except in the case I mentioned in my other mail, where a
> &man.foo entity is already used within a link, so you get this:
> 
>           
Q: Why does            "http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi?top(1)">           "REFENTRYTITLE">top(1) show very little free
>           memory even when I have very few programs
>           running?


Bugger.  That's invalid HTML as well (you can't nest ).

> Should these rare cases just be changed, or can you add some more magic
> to that stuff to make the link not be created if the text is already
> within a link?

I'm tempted to ignore them for the moment.  I've sent a message to the
DocBook stylesheets list asking for advice.

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On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 10:03:02PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote:
> Nik Clayton wrote:
> >     (element errorname ($mono-seq$
> >       (make sequence
> >         (make entity-ref name: "ldquo")
> >         (process-children)
> >         (make entity-ref name: "rdquo"))))
>  
>           
Q: Why do I keep getting
>           messages like “root: not
>           found” after editing my crontab file?

> 
> Doesn't look right, first because it should be `` and '' in HTML, and
> second because the quotes shouldn't be inside the .  I put it just after
> the  bit:

Try this instead.

      (element errorname
        (make sequence
          
          
          ($mono-seq$ (process-children))
          
	  
          ))

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On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:48:19 -0400, "Thomas M. Sommers" wrote:

> Is there anything special that must be done to indicate that feedback
> has been provided to a PR in feedback status?

Stick it back into the "open" State.

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Synopsis: shouldn't use make buildkernel with release version of FreeBSD

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I updated the part.

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20136


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At 24 Jul 2000 14:06:27 GMT,
Eric Ogren  wrote:
>  Just had a quick thought and I figured I might as well throw it out into
> public. If you read cvs-all, you know that anybody who submits an accepted
> port is added into the "Additional Contributors" page of the handbook. Is
> there any reason why doc submissions don't get the same treatment? 
>  Certainly, adding someone to the list would have to be somewhat
> subjective; after all, I don't think someone just submitting a typo patch
> should be placed on the list, but there are many people who have
> contributed valuable things to the docproj, and it might be nice to
> recognize them.

It seems good idea.  We are planning to add translators into
"Additional Contributors", but it should be separated from other
contributors because Doc Project has many many contributors for fixing
typo, adding small section, translating other language, and so on.


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On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 05:32:34 -0400, "Thomas M. Sommers" wrote:

> > Stick it back into the "open" State.
> 
> How do I do that (I merely submitted a PR, I'm not a committer)?

Oops, I misunderstood.  Nag the person who stuck the PR into "feedback"
state to put it back into "open" state. :-)

The person will have an e-mail address is the FreeBSD.org domain.  To
find the localpart of the address, find the status change in the audit
trail of the PR and look at the State-Changed-By field.

You can view PRs on the world wide web:

	http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi

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The following reply was made to PR docs/19981; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer)
To: sugi@home.unpar.ac.id
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Subject: Re: docs/19981: Indonesian translations
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:45:52 +0200

 Thus spake sugi@home.unpar.ac.id (sugi@home.unpar.ac.id):
 
 > http://freebsd.unpar.ac.id/docs/indonesian-docs.tar.gz, a FAQ sgml translation, need to convert it to HTML
 
 HTML conversion is done automatically, you know.
 
 However, the build breaks.
 
 alex:~/work/doc/id_ID.ISO_8859-1/books/faq $ make
 /usr/local/bin/jade -V html-manifest -ioutput.html  -c
 /usr/home/alex/work/doc/id_ID.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/../../../share/sgml/catalog
 -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog -c
 /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/catalog -c
 /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog  -d
 /usr/home/alex/work/doc/id_ID.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/../../..//share/sgml/freebsd.dsl
 -t sgml /usr/home/alex/work/doc/id_ID.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml
 /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/home/alex/work/doc/id_ID.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml:65:29:E:
 end tag for element "ULINK" which is not open
 /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/home/alex/work/doc/id_ID.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml:258:51:E:
 end tag for element "UNLINK" which is not open
 /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/home/alex/work/doc/id_ID.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml:262:48:E:
 end tag for "ULINK" omitted, but OMITTAG NO was specified
 /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/home/alex/work/doc/id_ID.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml:256:45:
 start tag was here
 /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/home/alex/work/doc/id_ID.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml:274:65:E:
 end tag for element "UNLINK" which is not open
 /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/home/alex/work/doc/id_ID.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml:282:60:E:
 end tag for "ULINK" omitted, but OMITTAG NO was specified
 /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/home/alex/work/doc/id_ID.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml:274:14:
 start tag was here
 /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/home/alex/work/doc/id_ID.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml:389:63:E:
 name start character invalid: only s and tagc allowed here
 /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/home/alex/work/doc/id_ID.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml:424:14:E:
 end tag for "ULINK" omitted, but OMITTAG NO was specified
 /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/home/alex/work/doc/id_ID.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml:423:7:
 start tag was here
 /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/home/alex/work/doc/id_ID.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml:510:3:E:
 required attribute "URL" not specified
 /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/home/alex/work/doc/id_ID.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml:510:8:E:
 document type does not allow element "PARA" here; missing one of
 "FOOTNOTE", "MSGTEXT" start-tag
 /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/home/alex/work/doc/id_ID.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml:513:9:E:
 end tag for "ULINK" omitted, but OMITTAG NO was specified
 /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/home/alex/work/doc/id_ID.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml:508:53:
 start tag was here
 /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/home/alex/work/doc/id_ID.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml:513:9:E:
 end tag for "PARA" omitted, but OMITTAG NO was specified
 /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/home/alex/work/doc/id_ID.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml:508:3:
 start tag was here
 *** Error code 1
 
 Please rework it and re-submit, if you can verify that it actually
 even BUILDS :-)
 
 Great work, btw.
 
 Alex
 
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Cc: Udo Erdelhoff , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: Foo
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On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 08:12:38PM -0700, Jim Mock wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 at 00:12:25 +0200, Udo Erdelhoff wrote:
> > Hi,
> > while poking around the doc dir, I've found a couple instances
> > articles that use  to close the current in-line element. Jade
> > accepts these constructso they're obviously not illegal. On the other,
> > I don't think they're good style, either.
> 
> It's valid DocBook, IIRC, so that's why it doesn't complain about them,
> but I do agree with you on the style point though.
> 
> > Fixing them should be rather easy. Opinions?
> 
> I've been changing the ones I've come across -- I think changing them is
> a good thing.

Yes, it's valid, and no, we don't encourage it :-)  This should really be
in the primer style guide.

N
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On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 03:12:41PM -0400, Ogren, Eric C. wrote:
> OK. I got the impression from a thread a couple of months ago (whose
> name I can't remember) that we were trying to reduce/remove all of
> those intro blurbs. If that's not the case, then nevermind. :)

We are, but we're trying to replace it with the correct DocBook markup so
the 'blurb' can be generated (or supressed, or used to generate a big 
"Table of contributors") automatically.

Sadly, I haven't written the DSSSL to do this (Formatting Barbie: DSSSL is
hard), and neither has anyone else. . .

>  This does still leave the FAQ though; do we want to include
> "This question submitted by X" at the bottom of a bunch of questions
> if somebody puts it there (I don't know if anybody does this or not),

I'd really rather not.  I'm still somewhat put out by dcs' insistence on
a 'copyright' notice on the "How many committers does it take to screw
in a lightbulb" question in there.

Speaking of which, does anyone want to go out and do an indepth look at
the various 'open source' documentation licenses out there?

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On Tue, Jul 25, 2000 at 01:30:22PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote:
> 
> We are, but we're trying to replace it with the correct DocBook markup so
> the 'blurb' can be generated (or supressed, or used to generate a big 
> "Table of contributors") automatically.

OK, wasn't aware of that.

> 
> Sadly, I haven't written the DSSSL to do this (Formatting Barbie: DSSSL is
> hard), and neither has anyone else. . .

Every time I look at DSSSL, I get scared. :) 

> 
> >  This does still leave the FAQ though; do we want to include
> > "This question submitted by X" at the bottom of a bunch of questions
> > if somebody puts it there (I don't know if anybody does this or not),
> 
> I'd really rather not.  I'm still somewhat put out by dcs' insistence on
> a 'copyright' notice on the "How many committers does it take to screw
> in a lightbulb" question in there.

Exactly, that was my point. If somebody wants credit for their FAQ
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>>>>> "JM" == Jim Mock  writes:

 >> People writing documentation for the FDP are supposed to use entities
 >> in the form &man.foo.1; to refer to system commands etc.
 >> /usr/share/doc/man contains about 3500 manpages (entities needed),
 >> man-refs.ent contains 220 entities.
 
 JM>  I think the major reason for this is that a) stuff that's needed can be
 JM>  added when a document is written, and b) it keeps the file size down.
 JM>  If we add entities for every single man page, chances are, we'll never
 JM>  use at least half of them, so it's kind of overkill to have a huge,
 JM>  bloated man-refs.ent file when it's not necessary.

I use entities like &foldoc.foo; to reference to words (foo) in Foldoc 
(free online dictionary of computing). Currently I have these listed
pretty much like the &man.foo.n; entities, but I'd like to have them
created automatically. 

Something like this (in a directory containing sgml stuff) lists the
needed entities.

find . -name '*.sgml' | xargs grep '&foldoc\.' | sed -e "s#;#;\\
#g" -e 's#^.*\&foldoc\.#foldoc.#' | grep ^foldoc | sort -u | sed -e 's#;##'

This gives me a list of entities i need. Adding a further sed command:

sed -e 's#foldoc\.\(.*\)#\1">#

Gives me the entity definitions I need, in no practically measurable
time. However, the pages I do this on is less than 200kb sgml, so it
might not be practically possible to do it on the entire documentation 
project, at least not for each build ...

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Hi,

It seems that the underbar ("_") has special meaning when specified in a search-string. I'm trying to find articles relevant to "net.link.ether.bridge_cfg" yet the search seems to loose the "_cfg" part of the search string. No luck either trying to escape the _ with either \ or /.

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Sheldon Hearn wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 05:32:34 -0400, "Thomas M. Sommers" wrote:
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> > > Stick it back into the "open" State.
> >
> > How do I do that (I merely submitted a PR, I'm not a committer)?
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> Oops, I misunderstood.  Nag the person who stuck the PR into "feedback"
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My fault for not making it clear.  Thanks.


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On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 at 20:50:54 -0400, Ryan G. Coleman wrote:
> On page:
> 
> http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install-guide.html
> 
> it says
> 
> If you are using the floppies from the CD-ROM, and your CD-ROM is the
> E: drive then you would run this:
> 
>          E:\> tools\fdimage floppies\kern.flp
> 
>      Repeat this command for each .flp file, replacing the floppy disk
> each time.
> 
> You should add an A: to the end of the line.  Its easy to spot, but
> someone else might have trouble

Thanks Ryan.  I just committed this fix.

- jim

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>Number:         20180
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       More emphasis is needed on the /usr/share/examples/ppp in documentation
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
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The handbook could mention this idrectory, and the files it contains,
as a basis for ppp.conf , not just the single example

Also the man 8 ppp section, connecting to your ISP
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>Fix:


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>Number:         20183
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       Patches to replaces s by something correct
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       medium
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Tue Jul 25 15:50:01 PDT 2000
>Closed-Date:
>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Udo Erdelhoff
>Release:        FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386
>Organization:
>Environment:

doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/fonts/article.sgml,v revision 1.8
doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/formatting-media/article.sgml,v revision 1.13
doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/mh/article.sgml,v revision 1.7
doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/multi-os/article.sgml,v revision 1.12
doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/new-users/article.sgml,v revision 1.13
doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/programming-tools/article.sgml,v revision 1.11
(Should be the doc tree for 4.1-RELEASE)

>Description:

Several articles use  as simple but annoying method to close the
current entity. These patches fix these articles.

The patches were generated with the help of an automatic script, verified
by make in $DOC_PREFIX/en*/articles and two Mk one eyeballs.

Additionally, one instance of \n

>How-To-Repeat:

find $DOC_PREFIX/en_US.ISO_8859-1 -name "*.sgml" -print | xargs grep ''

>Fix:

(use ^Number to jump from patch to patch)

Number one:

Index: article.sgml
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/fonts/article.sgml,v
retrieving revision 1.8
diff -u -r1.8 article.sgml
--- article.sgml	2000/06/20 11:30:11	1.8
+++ article.sgml	2000/07/25 20:58:15
@@ -77,7 +77,7 @@
 
     
       
-	.pfa, .pfb
+	.pfa, .pfb
 
 	
 	  Postscript type 1 fonts.  The
@@ -89,7 +89,7 @@
       
 
       
-	.afm
+	.afm
 
 	
 	  The font metrics associated with a type 1 font.
@@ -97,7 +97,7 @@
       
 
       
-	.pfm
+	.pfm
 
 	
 	  The printer font metrics associated with a type 1
@@ -106,7 +106,7 @@
       
 
       
-	.ttf
+	.ttf
 
 	
 	  A TrueType font
@@ -114,7 +114,7 @@
       
 
       
-	.fot
+	.fot
 
 	
 	  An indirect reference to a TrueType font (not an
@@ -123,7 +123,7 @@
       
 
       
-	.fon, .fnt
+	.fon, .fnt
 
 	
 	  Bitmapped screen fonts
@@ -157,7 +157,7 @@
 	      syscons
 
 	      
-		.fnt
+		.fnt
 	      
 	    
 	  
@@ -271,7 +271,7 @@
       is cross referenced to its X11 name by the contents of the
       fonts.dir file in each directory.
 
-    There is already a directory named Type1.  The
+    There is already a directory named Type1.  The
       most straight forward way to add a new font is to put it into
       this directory.  A better way is to keep all new fonts in a
       separate directory and use a symbolic link to the additional
@@ -364,7 +364,7 @@
 
 	
 	  Lets just name all the new fonts
-	    type1.
+	    type1.
 	
       
 
@@ -381,7 +381,7 @@
 
 	
 	  Normal, bold, medium, semibold, etc.  From the
-	    strings1
+	    strings1
 	    output above, it appears that this font has a weight of
 	    medium.
 	
@@ -441,7 +441,7 @@
       
 
       as the name, and then use
-      xfontsel1 to
+      xfontsel1 to
       examine it and adjust the name based on the appearance of the
       font.
 
@@ -477,7 +477,7 @@
     
 
     References: &man.xfontsel.1;, &man.xset.1;, The X
-	Windows System in a Nutshell, , O'Reilly &
 	Associates.
   
@@ -485,7 +485,7 @@
   
     Using type 1 fonts with Ghostscript
 
-    Ghostscript references a font via its Fontmap
+    Ghostscript references a font via its Fontmap
       file.  This must be modified in a similar way to the X11
       fonts.dir file.  Ghostscript can use either
       the .pfa or the .pfb
@@ -541,7 +541,7 @@
       /usr/share/groff_font/devps/SHOWBOAT.  The
       file must be created using tools provided by groff.
 
-    The first tool is afmtodit.  This is not
+    The first tool is afmtodit.  This is not
       normally installed, so it must be retrieved from the source
       distribution.  I found I had to change the first line of the
       file, so I did:
@@ -582,10 +582,10 @@
       printer in order for the font to be used (unless the printer
       happens to have the showboat font built in or on an accessible
       font disk.) The final step is to create a down loadable font.
-      The pfbtops tool is used to create the
+      The pfbtops tool is used to create the
       .pfa format of the font, and the
-      download file is modified to reference the new
-      font.  The download file must reference the
+      download file is modified to reference the new
+      font.  The download file must reference the
       internal name of the font.  This can easily be determined from
       the groff font file as illustrated:
 
@@ -686,7 +686,7 @@
 
 	  
 	    
-	      GS_TTF.PSGS_TTF.PS
 	    
 
 	    

Number two:

Index: article.sgml
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/formatting-media/article.sgml,v
retrieving revision 1.13
diff -u -r1.13 article.sgml
--- article.sgml	1999/10/30 18:10:14	1.13
+++ article.sgml	2000/07/25 21:00:04
@@ -151,7 +151,7 @@
 	quite possible to destroy the contents of other disks in your
 	system if the proper precautions are not taken.
 
-      Check your work carefully.  It is very simple
+      Check your work carefully.  It is very simple
 	to destroy the incorrect disk when working with these
 	commands.  When in doubt consult the kernel boot output for
 	the proper device.
@@ -535,7 +535,7 @@
       To create a new CCD, execute the following commands.  This
 	describes how to add three disks together; simply add or
 	remove devices as necessary.  Remember that the disks to be
-	striped must be identical.
+	striped must be identical.
 
       Before executing these commands, make sure you add the line


Number three
 
Index: article.sgml
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/mh/article.sgml,v
retrieving revision 1.7
diff -u -r1.7 article.sgml
--- article.sgml	1999/10/10 20:20:38	1.7
+++ article.sgml	2000/07/25 21:14:48
@@ -35,7 +35,7 @@
       initial philosophies behind MH were developed. MH isn't so much
       a monolithic email program but a philosophy about how best to
       develop tools for reading email. The MH developers have done a
-      great job adhering to the KISS principle: Keep It
+      great job adhering to the KISS principle: Keep It
       Simple Stupid.  Rather than have one large program for reading,
       sending and handling email they have written specialized
       programs for each part of your email life. One might liken MH to
@@ -64,9 +64,9 @@
 	
       
 
-      You will notice that it created a /usr/local/lib/mh
+      You will notice that it created a /usr/local/lib/mh
       directory for you as well as adding several binaries to the
-      /usr/local/bin directory. If you would prefer to
+      /usr/local/bin directory. If you would prefer to
       compile it yourself then you can anonymous ftp it from ftp.ics.uci.edu or louie.udel.edu.
@@ -85,33 +85,33 @@
   
     Reading Mail
 
-    This section covers how to use inc,
-      show, scan, next,
-      prev, rmm, rmf, and
-      msgchk.  One of the best things about MH is the
+    This section covers how to use inc,
+      show, scan, next,
+      prev, rmm, rmf, and
+      msgchk.  One of the best things about MH is the
       consistent interface between programs. A few things to keep in
       mind when using these commands is how to specify message lists.
-      In the case of inc this doesn't really make any
-      sense but with commands like show it is useful to
+      In the case of inc this doesn't really make any
+      sense but with commands like show it is useful to
       know. 
 
     A message list can consist of something like 23
-	20 16 which will act on messages 23, 20 and 16. This is
+	20 16 which will act on messages 23, 20 and 16. This is
       fairly simple but you can do more useful things like
-      23-30 which will act on all the messages between
+      23-30 which will act on all the messages between
       23 and 30. You can also specify something like
-      cur:10 which will act on the current message and
-      the next 9 messages. The cur, last,
-      and first messages are special messages that refer
+      cur:10 which will act on the current message and
+      the next 9 messages. The cur, last,
+      and first messages are special messages that refer
       to the current, last or first message in the folder.
 
     
-      <command>inc</>, <command>msgchk</>—read in your
+      <title><command>inc</command>, <command>msgchk</command>—read in your
 	new email or check it
 
-      If you just type in inc and hit
-	return you will be well on your way to getting
-	started with MH. The first time you run inc it
+      If you just type in inc and hit
+	return you will be well on your way to getting
+	started with MH. The first time you run inc it
 	will setup your account to use all the MH defaults and ask you
 	about creating a Mail directory. If you have mail waiting to
 	be downloaded you will see something that looks like:
@@ -126,45 +126,45 @@
       
 
       This is the same thing you will see from a
-	scan (see ). If you just run
-	inc with no arguments it will look on your
+	scan (see ). If you just run
+	inc with no arguments it will look on your
 	computer for email that is supposed to be coming to
 	you.
 
       A lot of people like to use POP for grabbing their email.
 	MH can do POP to grab your email. You will need to give
-	inc a few command line arguments.
+	inc a few command line arguments.
 
       
 	&prompt.user; inc -host mail.pop.org -user username -norpop
 	
       
 
-      That tells inc to go to
-	mail.pop.org to download your email, and that
-	your username on their system is username. The
-	 option tells inc to use
+      That tells inc to go to
+	mail.pop.org to download your email, and that
+	your username on their system is username. The
+	 option tells inc to use
 	plain POP3 for downloading your email. MH has support for a
 	few different dialects of POP. More than likely you will never
 	ever need to use them though. While you can do more complex
 	things with inc such as audit files and scan format files this
 	will get you going.
 
-      The msgchk command is used to get information
-	on whether or not you have new email. msgchk takes
+      The msgchk command is used to get information
+	on whether or not you have new email. msgchk takes
 	the same  and 
-	options that inc takes.
+	options that inc takes.
     
 
     
-      <command>show</>, <command>next</> and
-	<command>prev</>—displaying and moving through
+      <title><command>show</command>, <command>next</command> and
+	<command>prev</command>—displaying and moving through
 	email
 
-      show is to show a letter in your current
-	folder.  Like inc, show is a fairly
-	straightforward command. If you just type show
-	and hit return then it displays the current
+      show is to show a letter in your current
+	folder.  Like inc, show is a fairly
+	straightforward command. If you just type show
+	and hit return then it displays the current
 	message. You can also give specific message numbers to
 	show:
 
@@ -175,23 +175,23 @@
 
       This would display message numbers 32, 45 and 56 right
 	after each other. Unless you change the default behavior
-	show basically just does a more on the
+	show basically just does a more on the
 	email message.
 
-      next is used to move onto the next message and
-	prev will go to the previous message. Both
-	commands have an implied show command so that when
+      next is used to move onto the next message and
+	prev will go to the previous message. Both
+	commands have an implied show command so that when
 	you go to the next message it automatically displays
 	it.
     
 
     
-      <command>scan</>—shows you a scan of your
+      <title><command>scan</command>—shows you a scan of your
 	messages
 
-      scan will display a brief listing of the
+      scan will display a brief listing of the
 	messages in your current folder. This is an example of what
-	the scan command will give you.
+	the scan command will give you.
 
       
 	  30+ 01/16 "Jordan K. Hubbar  Re: FBSD 2.1<<> Do you want a library instead of
@@ -205,32 +205,32 @@
 	configurable.  This is the typical default display. It gives
 	you the message number, the date on the email, the sender, the
 	subject line, and a sentence fragment from the very beginning
-	of the email if it can fit it. The + means that
+	of the email if it can fit it. The + means that
 	message is the current message, so if you do a
-	show it will display that message.
+	show it will display that message.
 
       One useful option for scan is the
 	 option. This will list your messages
 	with the highest message number first and lowest message
-	number last. Another useful option with scan is to
+	number last. Another useful option with scan is to
 	have it read from a file. If you want to scan your incoming
-	mailbox on FreeBSD without having to inc it you
+	mailbox on FreeBSD without having to inc it you
 	can do scan -file
-	  /var/mail/username. This can be used
-	with any file that is in the mbox format.
+	  /var/mail/username. This can be used
+	with any file that is in the mbox format.
     
 
     
-      <command>rmm</> and <command>rmf</>—remove the
+      <title><command>rmm</command> and <command>rmf</command>—remove the
 	current message or folder
 
-      rmm is used to remove a mail message. The
+      rmm is used to remove a mail message. The
 	default is typically to not actually remove the message but to
 	rename the file to one that is ignored by the MH commands. You
 	will need to through periodically and physically delete the
-	removed messages.
+	removed messages.
 
-      The rmf command is used to remove folders.
+      The rmf command is used to remove folders.
 	This doesn't just rename the files but actually removes the
 	from the hard drive so you should be careful when you use this
 	command.
@@ -240,8 +240,8 @@
       A typical session of reading with MH
 
       The first thing that you will want to do is
-	inc your new mail. So at a shell prompt just type
-	in inc and hit return.
+	inc your new mail. So at a shell prompt just type
+	in inc and hit return.
 
       
 	&prompt.user; inc
@@ -255,7 +255,7 @@
       
 
       This shows you the new email that has been added to your
-	mailbox. So the next thing to do is show the email
+	mailbox. So the next thing to do is show the email
 	and move around.
 
       
@@ -298,8 +298,8 @@
 	
       
 
-      The rmm removed the current message and the
-	next command moved me on to the next message.  Now
+      The rmm removed the current message and the
+	next command moved me on to the next message.  Now
 	if I wanted to look at ten most recent messages so I could
 	read one of them here is what I would do:
 
@@ -320,7 +320,7 @@
       
 
       Then if I wanted to read message number 27 I would do a
-	show 27 and it would be displayed. As you can
+	show 27 and it would be displayed. As you can
 	probably tell from this sample session MH is pretty easy to
 	use and looking through emails and displaying them is fairly
 	intuitive and easy.
@@ -337,19 +337,19 @@
       the concept of folders. You have undoubtedly come across the
       folders concept using other email programs. MH has folders too.
       MH can even do sub-folders of a folder. One thing you should
-      keep in mind with MH is that when you ran inc for
+      keep in mind with MH is that when you ran inc for
       the first time and it asked you if it could create a
-      Mail directory it began storing everything in that
+      Mail directory it began storing everything in that
       directory. If you look at that directory you will find a
-      directory named inbox. The inbox
+      directory named inbox. The inbox
       directory houses all of your incoming mail that hasn't been
       thrown anywhere else.
 
     Whenever you create a new folder a new directory is going to
-      be created underneath your MH Mail directory, and
+      be created underneath your MH Mail directory, and
       messages in that folder are going to be stored in that
       directory.  When new email comes in that new email is thrown
-      into your inbox directory with a file name that is
+      into your inbox directory with a file name that is
       equivalent to the message number.  So even if you didn't have
       any of the MH tools to read your email you could still use
       standard UNIX commands to munge around in those directories and
@@ -357,28 +357,28 @@
       a lot of power with what you can do with your email.
 
     Just as you can use message lists like 23 16
-	42 with most MH commands there is a folder option you can
+	42 with most MH commands there is a folder option you can
       specify with just about every MH command. If you do a
-      scan +freebsd it will scan your freebsd
+      scan +freebsd it will scan your freebsd
       folder, and your current folder will be changed to
-      freebsd. If you do a show +freebsd 23 16
-	42, show is going to switch to your
-      freebsd folder and display messages 23, 16 and 42.
-      So remember that 
+      left it as inbox.
 
     
-      <command>pick</>—search email that matches certain
+      <title><command>pick</command>—search email that matches certain
 	criteria
 
-      pick is one of the more complex commands in
+      pick is one of the more complex commands in
 	the MH system. So you might want to read the
-	pick1 man
+	pick1 man
 	page for a more thorough understanding. At its simplest level
 	you can do something like
 
@@ -392,12 +392,12 @@
 	
       
 
-      This will tell pick to look through every
+      This will tell pick to look through every
 	single line in every message in your current folder and tell
-	you which message numbers it found the word pci
-	in. You can then show those messages and read them
-	if you wish or rmm them. You would have to specify
-	something like show 15 42 55-57 to display them
+	you which message numbers it found the word pci
+	in. You can then show those messages and read them
+	if you wish or rmm them. You would have to specify
+	something like show 15 42 55-57 to display them
 	though. A slightly more useful thing to do is this:
 
       
@@ -410,16 +410,16 @@
       This will show you the same messages you just didn't have
 	to work as hard to do it. The  option is
 	really an abbreviation of  and
-	pick is just a sequence which contains the message
+	pick is just a sequence which contains the message
 	numbers that matched. You can use sequences with just about
-	any MH command. So you could have done an rmm pick
+	any MH command. So you could have done an rmm pick
 	and all those messages would be removed instead. You sequence
 	can be named anything. If you run pick again it will overwrite
 	the old sequence if you use the same name.
 
       Doing a pick -search can be a bit more
 	time consuming than just searching for message from someone,
-	or to someone. So pick allows you to use the
+	or to someone. So pick allows you to use the
 	following predefined search criteria:
 
       
@@ -468,7 +468,7 @@
 
 	  
 	    search for any other component in the header. (i.e.
-	       to find all emails with a certain
 	      reply-to in the header)
 	  
 	
@@ -482,7 +482,7 @@
 	
 
 	to get a list of all the email send to the FreeBSD hackers
-	mailing list. pick also allows you to group these
+	mailing list. pick also allows you to group these
 	criteria in different ways using the following options:
 
       
@@ -531,42 +531,42 @@
 	something called operator precedence. Remember in math how you
 	evaluate from left to right and you do multiplication and
 	division first and addition and subtraction second? MH has the
-	same type of rules for pick. It's fairly complex
+	same type of rules for pick. It's fairly complex
 	so you might want to study the man page. This document is just
 	to help you get acquainted with MH.
     
 
     
-      <command>folder</>, <command>folders</>,
-	<command>refile</>—three useful programs for folder
+      <title><command>folder</command>, <command>folders</command>,
+	<command>refile</command>—three useful programs for folder
 	maintenance
 
       There are three programs which are primarily just for
-	manipulating your folders. The folder program is
+	manipulating your folders. The folder program is
 	used to switch between folders, pack them, and list them. At
 	its simplest level you can do a folder
-	+newfolder and you will be switched into
-	newfolder. From there on out all your MH
-	commands like comp, repl,
-	scan, and show will act on that
-	newfolder folder.
+	+newfolder and you will be switched into
+	newfolder. From there on out all your MH
+	commands like comp, repl,
+	scan, and show will act on that
+	newfolder folder.
 
       Sometimes when you are reading and deleting messages you
-	will develop holes in your folders. If you do a
-	scan you might just see messages 34, 35, 36, 43,
+	will develop holes in your folders. If you do a
+	scan you might just see messages 34, 35, 36, 43,
 	55, 56, 57, 80. If you do a folder -pack
 	this will renumber all your messages so that there are no
 	holes. It doesn't actually delete any messages though. So you
 	may need to periodically go through and physically delete
-	rmm'd messages.
+	rmm'd messages.
 
       If you need statistics on your folders you can do a
-	folders or folder -all to list
+	folders or folder -all to list
 	all your folders, how many messages they have, what the
 	current message is in each one and so on. This line of stats
 	it displays for all your folders is the same one you get when
-	you change to a folder with folder +foldername. A
-	folders command looks like this:
+	you change to a folder with folder +foldername. A
+	folders command looks like this:
 
       
 	                Folder      # of messages (  range  ); cur  msg  (other files)
@@ -585,17 +585,17 @@
 	
       
   
-      The refile command is what you use to move
+      The refile command is what you use to move
 	messages between folders. When you do something like
-	refile 23 +netfuture message number 23 is moved
-	into the netfuture folder. You could also do
-	something like refile 23 +netfuture/latest which
+	refile 23 +netfuture message number 23 is moved
+	into the netfuture folder. You could also do
+	something like refile 23 +netfuture/latest which
 	would put message number 23 in a subfolder called
-	latest under the netfuture folder.
+	latest under the netfuture folder.
 	If you want to keep a message in the current folder and link
 	it you can do a refile -link 23 +netfuture
-	which would keep 23 in your current inbox but
-	also list in your netfuture folder. You are
+	which would keep 23 in your current inbox but
+	also list in your netfuture folder. You are
 	probably beginning to realize some of the really powerful
 	things you can do with MH.
     
@@ -613,29 +613,29 @@
       Subject: headers already in it.  You are then sent into your
       editor where you fill in the header information and then type
       the body of your message below the dashed lines in the message.
-      Then to the whatnow program. When you are at the
+      Then to the whatnow program. When you are at the
       What now? prompt you can tell it to
-      send, list, edit,
-      edit, push, and quit. Most
+      send, list, edit,
+      edit, push, and quit. Most
       of these commands are self-explanatory. So the message sending
       process involves copying a component file, editing your email,
-      and then telling the whatnow program what to do with
+      and then telling the whatnow program what to do with
       your email.
 
     
-      <command>comp</>, <command>forw</>,
-	<command>reply</>—compose, forward or reply to a message
+      <title><command>comp</command>, <command>forw</command>,
+	<command>reply</command>—compose, forward or reply to a message
 	to someone
 
-      The comp program has a few useful command line
+      The comp program has a few useful command line
 	options. The most important one to know right now is the
 	 option. When MH is installed the
 	default editor is usually a program called
-	prompter which comes with MH. It's not a very
+	prompter which comes with MH. It's not a very
 	exciting editor and basically just gets the job done. So when
 	you go to compose a message to someone you might want to use
-	comp -editor /usr/bin/vi/ or comp -editor
-	/usr/local/bin/pico/ instead. Once you have run
+	comp -editor /usr/bin/vi/ or comp -editor
+	/usr/local/bin/pico/ instead. Once you have run
 	comp you are in your editor and you see
 	something that looks like this:
 
@@ -648,9 +648,9 @@
       
 
       You need to put the person you are sending the mail to
-	after the To: line. It works the same way for the
+	after the To: line. It works the same way for the
 	other headers also, so you would need to put your subject
-	after the Subject: line. Then you would just put
+	after the Subject: line. Then you would just put
 	the body of your message after the dashed lines. It may seem a
 	bit simplistic since a lot of email programs have special
 	requesters that ask you for this information but there really
@@ -667,55 +667,55 @@
       
 
       You can now save this message and exit your editor. You
-	will see the What now? prompt and you can type in
-	send or s and hit
-	return. Then the FreeBSD core team will receive
+	will see the What now? prompt and you can type in
+	send or s and hit
+	return. Then the FreeBSD core team will receive
 	their just rewards. As I mentioned earlier you can also use
-	other commands, for example quit if you don't want
+	other commands, for example quit if you don't want
 	to send the message.
 
-      The forw command is stunningly similar. The
+      The forw command is stunningly similar. The
 	big difference being that the message you are forwarding is
 	automatically included in the outgoing message. When you run
-	forw it will forward your current message. You can
+	forw it will forward your current message. You can
 	always tell it to forward something else by doing something
-	like forw 23 and then message number 23 will be
+	like forw 23 and then message number 23 will be
 	put in your outgoing message instead of the current message.
-	Beyond those small differences forw functions
-	exactly the same as comp. You go through the exact
+	Beyond those small differences forw functions
+	exactly the same as comp. You go through the exact
 	same message sending process.
 
-      The repl command will reply to whatever your
+      The repl command will reply to whatever your
 	current message is, unless you give it a different message to
-	reply to. repl will do its best to go ahead and
+	reply to. repl will do its best to go ahead and
 	fill in some of the email headers already. So you will notice
-	that the To: header already has the address of the
-	recipient in there. Also the Subject: line will
+	that the To: header already has the address of the
+	recipient in there. Also the Subject: line will
 	already be filled in.  You then go about the normal message
 	composition process and you are done. One useful command line
 	option to know here is the  option. You
-	can use all, to, cc,
-	me after the  option to have
-	repl automatically add the various addresses to
+	can use all, to, cc,
+	me after the  option to have
+	repl automatically add the various addresses to
 	the cc list in the message. You have probably noticed that the
 	original message isn't included. This is because most MH
 	setups are configured to do this from the start.
     
 
     
-      <filename>components</>, and
-	<filename>replcomps</>—components files for
-	<command>comp</> and <command>repl</>
+      <filename>components</filename>, and
+	<filename>replcomps</filename>—components files for
+	<command>comp</command> and <command>repl</command>
 
-      The components file is usually in
+      The components file is usually in
 	/usr/local/lib/mh. You can copy that file
 	into your MH Mail directory and edit to contain what you want
 	it to contain. It is a fairly basic file. You have various
 	email headers at the top, a dashed line and then nothing. The
 	comp command just copies this
-	components file and then edits it. You can add
+	components file and then edits it. You can add
 	any kind of valid RFC822 header you want. For instance you
-	could have something like this in your components
+	could have something like this in your components
 	file:
 
       
@@ -729,13 +729,13 @@
       
 
       MH would then copy this components file and throw you into
-	your editor. The components file is fairly
+	your editor. The components file is fairly
 	simple.  If you wanted to have a signature on those messages
 	you would just put your signature in that
-	components file.
+	components file.
 
-      The replcomps file is a bit more complex. The
-	default replcomps looks like this:
+      The replcomps file is a bit more complex. The
+	default replcomps looks like this:
 
       
 	%(lit)%(formataddr %<{reply-to}%?{from}%?{sender}%?{return-path}%>)\
@@ -752,12 +752,12 @@
       
 
       It's in the same basic format as the
-	components file but it contains quite a few extra
-	formatting codes. The %(lit) command makes room
-	for the address. The %(formataddr is a function
+	components file but it contains quite a few extra
+	formatting codes. The %(lit) command makes room
+	for the address. The %(formataddr is a function
 	that returns a proper email address. The next part is
 	%< which means if and the
-	{reply-to} means the reply-to field in the
+	{reply-to} means the reply-to field in the
 	original message. So that might be translated this way:
 
       
@@ -774,7 +774,7 @@
 	variables mean. All of the information on writing these format
 	strings is in the MH-Format man page. The really nice thing is
 	that once you have built your customized
-	replcomps file you won't need to touch it again.
+	replcomps file you won't need to touch it again.
 	No other email program really gives you the power and
 	flexibility that MH gives you.
     

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@@ -144,11 +144,11 @@
 
     
       
-	/dev/wd0 (first physical hard disk)
+	/dev/wd0 (first physical hard disk)
       
 
       
-	/dev/wd1 (second hard disk)
+	/dev/wd1 (second hard disk)
       
     
 
@@ -157,7 +157,7 @@
     
       
 	I boot from a MS-DOS or Windows 95 boot disk that
-	  contains the FDISK.EXE utility and make a small
+	  contains the FDISK.EXE utility and make a small
 	  50 meg primary partition (35-40 for Windows 95, plus a
 	  little breathing room) on the first disk.  Also create a
 	  larger partition on the second hard disk for my Windows
@@ -166,7 +166,7 @@
 
       
 	I reboot and install Windows 95 (easier said than done)
-	  on the C: partition.
+	  on the C: partition.
       
 
       
@@ -191,15 +191,15 @@
 	  1024th cylinder.  (The 1024th cylinder is 528 megs into the
 	  disk with our hypothetical 720MB disks).  I will use the
 	  rest of the hard drive (about 270 megs) for the
-	  /usr and / slices if I wish.  The
+	  /usr and / slices if I wish.  The
 	  rest of the second hard disk (size depends on the amount of
 	  my Windows application/data partition that I created in step
-	  1 can go to the /usr/src slice and swap
+	  1 can go to the /usr/src slice and swap
 	  space.
       
 
       
-	When viewed with the Windows 95 fdisk
+	When viewed with the Windows 95 fdisk
 	  utility, my hard drives should now look something like this:
 
 	  
@@ -238,14 +238,14 @@
 
       
 	Install FreeBSD.  I make sure to boot with my first hard
-	  disk set at NORMAL in the BIOS.  If it is not,
+	  disk set at NORMAL in the BIOS.  If it is not,
 	  I'll have the enter my true disk geometry at boot time (to
 	  get this, boot Windows 95 and consult Microsoft Diagnostics
-	  (MSD.EXE), or check your BIOS) with the
-	  parameter hd0=1416,16,63 where
-	  1416 is the number of cylinders on my hard
-	  disk, 16 is the number of heads per track,
-	  and 63 is the number of sectors per track on
+	  (MSD.EXE), or check your BIOS) with the
+	  parameter hd0=1416,16,63 where
+	  1416 is the number of cylinders on my hard
+	  disk, 16 is the number of heads per track,
+	  and 63 is the number of sectors per track on
 	  the drive.
       
 
@@ -275,7 +275,7 @@
       cylinder.
 
     If you install Windows 95 on an existing BSD system, it will
-      destroy the MBR, and you will have to reinstall your
+      destroy the MBR, and you will have to reinstall your
       previous boot manager.  Boot Easy can be reinstalled by using
       the BOOTINST.EXE utility included in the \TOOLS directory on the
       CD-ROM, and via jayrich@sysc.com).
 
     FreeBSD+Win95:  If you installed FreeBSD after Windows 95,
-      you should see DOS on the Boot Easy menu.  This is
+      you should see DOS on the Boot Easy menu.  This is
       Windows 95.  If you installed Windows 95 after FreeBSD, read
        above.  As long as your hard disk does not
       have 1024 cylinders you should not have a problem booting.  If
       one of your partitions goes beyond the 1024th cylinder however,
-      and you get messages like invalid system disk
+      and you get messages like invalid system disk
       under DOS (Windows 95) and FreeBSD will not boot, try looking
       for a setting in your BIOS called > 1024 cylinder
-	support or NORMAL/LBA mode.  DOS may need LBA
+	support or NORMAL/LBA mode.  DOS may need LBA
       (Logical Block Addressing) in order to boot correctly.  If the
       idea of switching BIOS settings every time you boot up doesn't
       appeal to you, you can boot FreeBSD through DOS via the
-      FBSDBOOT.EXE utility on the CD (It should find your
+      FBSDBOOT.EXE utility on the CD (It should find your
       FreeBSD partition and boot it.)
 
     FreeBSD+OS/2+Win95:  Nothing new here.  OS/2's boot manger
@@ -399,7 +399,7 @@
 
 	
 	  (# of cylinders) × (# heads) × (63
-	    sectors/track) × (512 bytes/sect)
+	    sectors/track) × (512 bytes/sect)
 	
 
       For example, on my 1.6 Gig Western Digital AC31600 EIDE hard
@@ -419,9 +419,9 @@
 	though: if you're using BIOS LBA (see ), you can't use just any program to get
 	the physical geometry.  This is because many programs (e.g.
-	MSD.EXE or FreeBSD fdisk) don't identify the
+	MSD.EXE or FreeBSD fdisk) don't identify the
 	physical disk geometry; they instead report the
-	translated geometry (virtual numbers from using
+	translated geometry (virtual numbers from using
 	LBA).  Stay tuned for what that means.
 
       One other useful thing about these terms.  Given 3
@@ -434,9 +434,9 @@
       For those that are interested in more technical details,
 	information on disk geometry, boot sectors, BIOSes, etc. can
 	be found all over the net.  Query Lycos, Yahoo, etc. for
-	boot sector or master boot record.
+	boot sector or master boot record.
 	Among the useful info you'll find are Hale Landis's
-	How It Works document pack.  See the How It Works document pack.  See the  section for a few pointers to this
 	pack.
 
@@ -449,21 +449,21 @@
 
       On the first sector of your disk (Cyl 0, Head 0, Sector 1)
 	lives the Master Boot Record (MBR).  It contains a map of your
-	disk.  It identifies up to 4 partitions, each of
+	disk.  It identifies up to 4 partitions, each of
 	which is a contiguous chunk of that disk.  FreeBSD calls
-	partitions slices to avoid confusion with it's
+	partitions slices to avoid confusion with it's
 	own partitions, but we won't do that here.  Each partition can
 	contain its own operating system.
 
       Each partition entry in the MBR has a Partition
-	  ID, a Start Cylinder/Head/Sector, and an
-	End Cylinder/Head/Sector.  The Partition ID
+	  ID, a Start Cylinder/Head/Sector, and an
+	End Cylinder/Head/Sector.  The Partition ID
 	tells what type of partition it is (what OS) and the Start/End
 	tells where it is.   lists a
 	smattering of some common Partition IDs.
 
       
-	Partition IDs</>
+	<title>Partition IDs
 	  
@@ -515,7 +515,7 @@
       Note that not all partitions are bootable (e.g. Extended
 	DOS).  Some are—some aren't.  What makes a partition
 	bootable is the configuration of the Partition Boot
-	  Sector that exists at the beginning of each
+	  Sector that exists at the beginning of each
 	partition.When you configure your favorite boot manager, it looks up
@@ -577,7 +577,7 @@
 	
 
 	
-	  64 sectors/track, max (actually 63, 0
+	  64 sectors/track, max (actually 63, 0
 	    isn't available)
 	
       

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@@ -565,7 +565,7 @@
       
 
       
-	CtrlL
+	CtrlL
 
 	
 	  to redraw the screen
@@ -573,36 +573,36 @@
       
 
       
-	Ctrlb and
-	  Ctrlf
+	Ctrlb and
+	  Ctrlf
 
 	
 	  go back and forward a screen, as they do with
-	    more and view.
+	    more and view.
 
-    Practice with vi in your home directory by
-      creating a new file with vi filename
+    Practice with vi in your home directory by
+      creating a new file with vi filename
       and adding and deleting text, saving the file, and calling it up
-      again.  vi delivers some surprises because it's
+      again.  vi delivers some surprises because it's
       really quite complex, and sometimes you'll inadvertently issue a
       command that will do something you don't expect.  (Some people
-      actually like vi—it's more powerful than DOS
-      EDIT—find out about the :r command.) Use
-      Esc one or more times to be sure you're in command
+      actually like vi—it's more powerful than DOS
+      EDIT—find out about the :r command.) Use
+      Esc one or more times to be sure you're in command
       mode and proceed from there when it gives you trouble, save
-      often with :w, and use :q! to get out
-      and start over (from your last :w) when you need
+      often with :w, and use :q! to get out
+      and start over (from your last :w) when you need
       to.
 
-    Now you can cd to /etc,
-      su to root, use vi to edit the file
+    Now you can cd to /etc,
+      su to root, use vi to edit the file
       /etc/group, and add a user to wheel so the
       user has root privileges.  Just add a comma and the user's login
       name to the end of the first line in the file, press
-      Esc, and use :wq to write the file to
+      Esc, and use :wq to write the file to
       disk and quit.  Instantly effective.  (You didn't put a space
       after the comma, did you?)
   
@@ -625,7 +625,7 @@
     will remove formatting codes and send the man page to the
       chmod.txt file instead of showing it on
       your screen.  Now put a dos-formatted diskette in your floppy
-      drive a, su to root, and type
+      drive a, su to root, and type
 
     
       &prompt.root; /sbin/mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt
@@ -636,7 +636,7 @@
       /mnt.Now (you no longer need to be root, and you can type
-      exit to get back to being user jack) you can go to
+      exit to get back to being user jack) you can go to
       the directory where you created chmod.txt and copy the file to
       the floppy with:
 
@@ -661,10 +661,10 @@
       /sbin/dmesg is the boot log record, and it's
       useful to understand it because it shows what FreeBSD found when
       it booted up.  If you ask questions on
-      freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org or on a USENET
+      freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org or on a USENET
       group—like FreeBSD isn't finding my tape drive,
 	what do I do?—people will want to know what
-      dmesg has to say.
+      dmesg has to say.
 
     You can now dismount the floppy drive (as root) to get the
       disk out with
@@ -679,7 +679,7 @@
       Wordpad, or a word processor, make a minor change so the file
       has to be saved, and print as you normally would from DOS or
       Windows.  Hope it works!  man pages come out best if printed
-      with the dos print command.  (Copying files from
+      with the dos print command.  (Copying files from
       FreeBSD to a mounted dos partition is in some cases still a
       little risky.)
 
@@ -687,15 +687,15 @@
       an appropriate entry in /etc/printcap and
       creating a matching spool directory in
       /var/spool/output.  If your printer is on
-      lpt0 (what dos calls LPT1), you may
+      lpt0 (what dos calls LPT1), you may
       only need to go to /var/spool/output and
-      (as root) create the directory lpd by typing:
+      (as root) create the directory lpd by typing:
        mkdir lpd, if it doesn't already exist.
       Then the printer should respond if it's turned on when the
       system is booted, and lp or lpr should send a file to the
       printer.  Whether or not the file actually prints depends on
       configuring it, which is covered in the FreeBSD handbook.
+	URL="../../handbook/handbook.html">FreeBSD handbook.
   
 
   
@@ -703,7 +703,7 @@
 
     
       
-	df
+	df
 
 	
 	  shows file space and mounted systems.
@@ -711,27 +711,27 @@
       
 
       
-	ps aux
+	ps aux
 
 	
-	  shows processes running.  ps ax is a
+	  shows processes running.  ps ax is a
 	    narrower form.
 	
       
 
       
-	rm filename
+	rm filename
 
 	
-	  remove filename.
+	  remove filename.
 	
       
 
       
-	rm -R dir
+	rm -R dir
 
 	
-	  removes a directory dir and all
+	  removes a directory dir and all
 	    subdirectories—careful!
 	
       
@@ -750,7 +750,7 @@
       
 
       
-	passwd
+	passwd
 
 	
 	  to change user's password (or root's password)
@@ -758,7 +758,7 @@
       
 
       
-	man hier
+	man hier
 
 	
 	  man page on the Unix file system
@@ -766,7 +766,7 @@
       
     
 
-    Use find to locate filename in
+    Use find to locate filename in
       /usr or any of its subdirectories
       with
 
@@ -776,7 +776,7 @@
     
 
     You can use * as a wildcard in
-      "filename" (which should be in
+      "filename" (which should be in
       quotes).  If you tell find to search in /
       instead of /usr it will look for the
       file(s) on all mounted file systems, including the CDROM and the
@@ -802,7 +802,7 @@
 	URL="http://www.cdrom.com/">Walnut Creek CDROM as well
       as the web site.  The handbook tells you more about how to use
       them (get the package if it exists, with pkg_add
-      /cdrom/packages/All/packagename, where
+      /cdrom/packages/All/packagename, where
       packagename is the filename of the
       package).  The cdrom has lists of the packages and ports with
       brief descriptions in cdrom/packages/index,
@@ -813,10 +813,10 @@
       programs and program names respectively.
 
     If you find the handbook too sophisticated (what with
-      lndir and all) on installing ports from the cdrom,
+      lndir and all) on installing ports from the cdrom,
       here's what usually works:
 
-    Find the port you want, say kermit.  There will
+    Find the port you want, say kermit.  There will
       be a directory for it on the cdrom.  Copy the subdirectory to
       /usr/local (a good place for software you
       add that should be available to all users) with:
@@ -833,16 +833,16 @@
 
     Next, create the directory
       /usr/ports/distfiles if it doesn't already
-      exist using mkdir.  Now check check
+      exist using mkdir.  Now check check
       /cdrom/ports/distfiles for a file with a
       name that indicates it's the port you want.  Copy that file to
       /usr/ports/distfiles; in recent versions
       you can skip this step, as FreeBSD will do it for you.  In the
-      case of kermit, there is no distfile.
+      case of kermit, there is no distfile.
 
-    Then cd to the subdirectory of
+    Then cd to the subdirectory of
       /usr/local/kermit that has the file
-      Makefile.  Type
+      Makefile.  Type
 
     
       &prompt.root; make all install
@@ -856,17 +856,17 @@
       /cdrom/ports/distfiles, you will have to
       get the distfile using another machine and copy it to
       /usr/ports/distfiles from a floppy or your
-      dos partition.  Read Makefile (with cat
-      or more or view) to find out where to go
+      dos partition.  Read Makefile (with cat
+      or more or view) to find out where to go
       (the master distribution site) to get the file and what its name
       is.  Its name will be truncated when downloaded to DOS, and
       after you get it into /usr/ports/distfiles
-      you'll have to rename it (with the mv command) to
+      you'll have to rename it (with the mv command) to
       its original name so it can be found.  (Use binary file
       transfers!)  Then go back to
       /usr/local/kermit, find the directory with
-      Makefile, and type make all
-	install.
+      Makefile, and type make all
+	install.
 
     The other thing that happens when installing ports or
       packages is that some other program is needed.  If the
@@ -874,10 +874,10 @@
 	unzip or whatever, you might need to install the
       package or port for unzip before you continue.
 
-    Once it's installed type rehash to make FreeBSD
+    Once it's installed type rehash to make FreeBSD
       reread the files in the path so it knows what's there.  (If you
-      get a lot of path not found messages when you use
-      whereis or which, you might want to make additions
+      get a lot of path not found messages when you use
+      whereis or which, you might want to make additions
       to the list of directories in the path statement in
       .cshrc in your home directory.  The path
       statement in Unix does the same kind of work it does in DOS,
@@ -890,10 +890,10 @@
       from their ftp site.
       (Netscape requires the X Window System.) There's now a FreeBSD
       version, so look around carefully.  Just use gunzip
-	filename and tar xvf
-	filename on it, move the binary to
+	filename and tar xvf
+	filename on it, move the binary to
       /usr/local/bin or some other place binaries
-      are kept, rehash, and then put the following lines
+      are kept, rehash, and then put the following lines
       in .cshrc in each user's home directory or
       (easier) in /etc/csh.cshrc, the
       system-wide csh start-up file:
@@ -901,11 +901,11 @@
     
       setenv XKEYSYMDB /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XKeysymDB
 setenv XNLSPATH /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/nls
-      
+      
     
 
-    This assumes that the file XKeysymDB and the
-      directory nls are in
+    This assumes that the file XKeysymDB and the
+      directory nls are in
       /usr/X11R6/lib/X11; if they're not, find
       them and put them there.
 
@@ -977,7 +977,7 @@
 	you the tcsh as root, because the shell is part of the
 	environment.  You can make this permanent by adding it to your
 	.tcshrc file as an alias with
-	alias su su -m.
+	alias su su -m.
     
 
     When tcsh starts up, it will read the
@@ -1020,10 +1020,10 @@
     Other
 
     As root, you can dismount the CDROM with
-      /sbin/umount /cdrom, take it out of the drive,
+      /sbin/umount /cdrom, take it out of the drive,
       insert another one, and mount it with
-      /sbin/mount_cd9660 /dev/cd0a /cdrom assuming
-      cd0a is the device name for your CDROM drive.  The
+      /sbin/mount_cd9660 /dev/cd0a /cdrom assuming
+      cd0a is the device name for your CDROM drive.  The
       most recent versions of FreeBSD let you mount the cdrom with
       just /sbin/mount /cdrom.
 
@@ -1031,12 +1031,12 @@
       CDROM disks—is useful if you've got limited space.  What
       is on the live file system varies from release to release.  You
       might try playing games from the cdrom.  This involves using
-      lndir, which gets installed with the X Window
+      lndir, which gets installed with the X Window
       System, to tell the program(s) where to find the necessary
       files, because they're in the /cdrom file
       system instead of in /usr and its
       subdirectories, which is where they're expected to be.  Read
-      man lndir.
+      man lndir.
   
 
   
@@ -1049,6 +1049,6 @@
       Fieber for helpful comments.
 
     Annelise Anderson,
-	andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu
+	andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu
   
 

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@@ -44,10 +44,10 @@
     FreeBSD offers an excellent development environment.
       Compilers for C, C++, and Fortran and an assembler come with the
       basic system, not to mention a Perl interpreter and classic Unix
-      tools such as sed and awk.  If that is
+      tools such as sed and awk.  If that is
       not enough, there are many more compilers and interpreters in
       the Ports collection.  FreeBSD is very compatible with standards
-      such as POSIX and ANSI C, as well with
+      such as POSIX and ANSI C, as well with
       its own BSD heritage, so it is possible to write applications
       that will compile and run with little or no modification on a
       wide range of platforms.
@@ -73,8 +73,8 @@
       instruction.  This section gives an overview of the two main
       ways in which you can give these instructions, or
       commands as they are usually called.  One way
-      uses an interpreter, the other a
-      compiler.  As human languages are too difficult for
+      uses an interpreter, the other a
+      compiler.  As human languages are too difficult for
       a computer to understand in an unambiguous way, commands are
       usually written in one or other languages specially designed for
       the purpose.
@@ -105,10 +105,10 @@
 	start if you have not done any programming before.  This kind
 	of environment is typically found with languages like Lisp,
 	Smalltalk, Perl and Basic.  It could also be argued that the
-	Unix shell (sh, csh) is itself an
+	Unix shell (sh, csh) is itself an
 	interpreter, and many people do in fact write shell
 	scripts to help with various
-	housekeeping tasks on their machine.  Indeed, part
+	housekeeping tasks on their machine.  Indeed, part
 	of the original Unix philosophy was to provide lots of small
 	utility programs that could be linked together in shell
 	scripts to perform useful tasks.
@@ -135,16 +135,16 @@
 
       
 	
-	  BASIC
+	  BASIC
 
 	  
 	    Short for Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic
 	      Instruction Code.  Developed in the 1950s for teaching
 	      University students to program and provided with every
 	      self-respecting personal computer in the 1980s,
-	      BASIC has been the first programming
+	      BASIC has been the first programming
 	      language for many programmers.  It's also the foundation
-	      for Visual Basic.
+	      for Visual Basic.
 
 	    The Bywater
@@ -184,7 +184,7 @@
 	  
 	    Very popular with system administrators for writing
 	      scripts; also often used on World Wide Web servers for
-	      writing CGI scripts.
+	      writing CGI scripts.
 
 	    The latest version (version 5) comes with FreeBSD.
 	  
@@ -284,7 +284,7 @@
 	using separate programs, many commercial compiler makers have
 	produced Integrated Development Environments
 	(IDEs for short).  FreeBSD does not have an
-	IDE as such; however it is possible to use Emacs
+	IDE as such; however it is possible to use Emacs
 	for this purpose.  This is discussed in .
     
@@ -295,7 +295,7 @@
 
     This section deals only with the GNU compiler for C and C++,
       since that comes with the base FreeBSD system.  It can be
-      invoked by either cc or gcc.  The
+      invoked by either cc or gcc.  The
       details of producing a program with an interpreter vary
       considerably between interpreters, and are usually well covered
       in the documentation and on-line help for the
@@ -324,9 +324,9 @@
 	  understandable by humans.  Allegedly.
 
 	  
-	    To be strictly accurate, cc converts the
+	    To be strictly accurate, cc converts the
 	      source code into its own, machine-independent
-	      p-code instead of assembly language at
+	      p-code instead of assembly language at
 	      this stage.
 	  
       
@@ -361,20 +361,20 @@
       
     
 
-    The word compiling is often used to refer to
+    The word compiling is often used to refer to
       just steps 1 to 4—the others are referred to as
-      linking.  Sometimes step 1 is referred to as
-      pre-processing and steps 3-4 as
-      assembling.
+      linking.  Sometimes step 1 is referred to as
+      pre-processing and steps 3-4 as
+      assembling.
 
     Fortunately, almost all this detail is hidden from you, as
-      cc is a front end that manages calling all these
+      cc is a front end that manages calling all these
       programs with the right arguments for you; simply typing
 
     &prompt.user; cc foobar.c
     
 
-    will cause foobar.c to be compiled by all the
+    will cause foobar.c to be compiled by all the
       steps above.  If you have more than one file to compile, just do
       something like
 
@@ -393,18 +393,18 @@
 	  isn't.
       
 
-    There are lots and lots of options for cc, which
+    There are lots and lots of options for cc, which
       are all in the man page.  Here are a few of the most important
       ones, with examples of how to use them.
 
     
       
-	
+	
 
 	
 	  The output name of the file.  If you do not use this
-	    option, cc will produce an executable called
-	    a.out.
+	    option, cc will produce an executable called
+	    a.out.
 
 	    
 	      The reasons for this are buried in the mists of
@@ -432,7 +432,7 @@
 	    
 	  
 
-	  This will produce an object file (not an
+	  This will produce an object file (not an
 	    executable) called foobar.o.  This
 	    can be linked together with other object files into an
 	    executable.
@@ -525,7 +525,7 @@
 
 	
 	  Turn off most, but not all, of the
-	    non-ANSI C features provided by
+	    non-ANSI C features provided by
 	    cc.  Despite the name, it does not
 	    guarantee strictly that your code will comply to the
 	    standard.
@@ -537,7 +537,7 @@
 
 	
 	  Turn off all
-	    cc's non-ANSI C
+	    cc's non-ANSI C
 	    features.
 	
       
@@ -1478,7 +1478,7 @@
 	listings of core files and sweat over machine code manuals,
 	but now life is a bit easier.  Incidentally, under FreeBSD and
 	other 4.4BSD systems, a core file is called
-	progname.core instead of just
+	progname.core instead of just
 	core, to make it clearer which program a
 	core file belongs to.
 
@@ -1771,7 +1771,7 @@
 
       
 	
-	  Everything beginning with a ; is a comment
+	  Everything beginning with a ; is a comment
 	    and is ignored by Emacs.
 	
 

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>Number:         20185
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       Wrong reference to include file in tty(4)
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
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>Environment:
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>Description:
A little mistake in tty(4): it says the struct winsize is defined
in . It is actually defined in .
>How-To-Repeat:
Read tty(4), looking for WINSZ. 
Grep for winsize in /usr/include/sys/ioctl.h => nothing.
>Fix:
*** tty.4.orig  Tue Jul 25 15:47:13 2000
--- tty.4       Tue Jul 25 15:48:16 2000
***************
*** 324,330 ****
  screen size.  The
  .Va winsize
  structure is defined in
! .Pa Aq sys/ioctl.h .
  .It Dv TIOCSWINSZ Fa struct winsize *ws
  Set the window size associated with the terminal to be the value in
  the
--- 324,330 ----
  screen size.  The
  .Va winsize
  structure is defined in
! .Pa Aq sys/ttycom.h .
  .It Dv TIOCSWINSZ Fa struct winsize *ws
  Set the window size associated with the terminal to be the value in
  the


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The following reply was made to PR docs/20180; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: Ben Smithurst 
To: george.russell@clara.net
Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org
Subject: Re: docs/20180: More emphasis is needed on the /usr/share/examples/ppp in documentation
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:29:13 +0100

 george.russell@clara.net wrote:
 
 > The handbook could mention this idrectory, and the files it contains,
 > as a basis for ppp.conf , not just the single example
 
 Hmm, it currently says "Example configuration files can be found in the
 /etc/ppp directory", which does need fixing.  Do you think any other
 reference to the examples directory is needed?  (This is at the end of
 section 15.2.1.5.1 in the handbook.)  I'll mention it at the start of
 section 3.2.1 in the PPP Primer too.
 
 > Also the man 8 ppp section, connecting to your ISP
 
 Well, I think it should really be mentioned in the FILES section,
 if anywhere.  Since it already mentioned /usr/share/examples/ppp a
 few times though, it might not be needed.  If you search for either
 "example" or "sample" in ppp(8) you'll find it...
 
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On Tue, Jul 25, 2000 at 01:26:43PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 08:12:38PM -0700, Jim Mock wrote:
> > I think changing them is a good thing.

Hint received.

> Yes, it's valid, and no, we don't encourage it :-)  This should really be
> in the primer style guide.

The patches (for the , not for the psg) are on their way.

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>Number:         20187
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       md.4 is missing from /usr/src/share/man/man4/Makefile
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       medium
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>Description:

md.4 is missing from /usr/src/share/man/man4/Makefile

>How-To-Repeat:

>Fix:

MFC rev 1.96

--- /usr/src/share/man/man4/Makefile.orig	Thu Jul 20 18:29:41 2000
+++ /usr/src/share/man/man4/Makefile	Tue Jul 25 21:07:48 2000
@@ -9,7 +9,7 @@
 	icmp.4 icmp6.4 ifmib.4 iic.4 iicbb.4 iicbus.4 iicsmb.4 \
 	inet.4 inet6.4 intpm.4 intro.4 ip.4 ip6.4 ipfirewall.4 ipsec.4 isp.4 \
 	ispfw.4 joy.4 kame.4 keyboard.4 kld.4 \
-	kue.4 lo.4 lp.4 lpbb.4 lpt.4 mem.4 mlx.4 mouse.4 mtio.4 natm.4 \
+	kue.4 lo.4 lp.4 lpbb.4 lpt.4 md.4 mem.4 mlx.4 mouse.4 mtio.4 natm.4 \
 	ncr.4 netintro.4 ng_ether.4 null.4 ohci.4 pass.4 pci.4 pcm.4 pcvt.4 \
 	ppbus.4 ppc.4 ppi.4 ppp.4 psm.4 pt.4 pty.4 rl.4 \
 	route.4 sa.4 sbc.4 screen.4 scsi.4 \

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On Tue, Jul 25, 2000 at 12:33:29PM +0900, Jun Kuriyama wrote:
> At 21 Jul 2000 17:30:10 GMT,
> Udo Erdelhoff  wrote:
> > The current policy for man-refs.ent seems to be "only one step at a time".
> > If you need an additional entity, you'll have to add it to man-refs.ent
> > (or find somebody who can add it for you).
> 
> According to doc/ja_JP.eucJP/man, it seems there are about 1200
> manpages.  And currently we have about 200 entries in man-refs.ent.
A -current box should have 1421 different manpages right now. If I
include the manpages retired during the last months, the count rises to
1453.

Unfortunately, many manpages (451 of them) are installed two or more times.
If you include these additonal manpages, you'll end with approx. 3500
entities. builtins(1), queue(3) and rpc(3) are the worst offenders.

> but many entities in man-refs.ent may make buidling documents slow down.

I've been using a man-refs.ent with 3514 entities for a couple days now.
The build time for the handbook increased by almost 2 seconds from
2 minutes 57 seconds to 2 minutes 59 seconds; I couldn't detect an
increase of the build time for the FAQ.

> And jade will eat more memory to keep entities.
The size of man-refs.ent increases from 17 KByte (220 entities) to
281961 Kbyte (all 3514 entities).  The memory foorprint of jade was
approx. 32 MBytes in both cases.

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Nik Clayton wrote:

> Try this instead.
> 
>       (element errorname
>         (make sequence
>           
>           
>           ($mono-seq$ (process-children))
>           
> 	  
>           ))

Thanks, I've committed that.

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>Number:         20191
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       you don't ALWAYS have to make world before building a kernel
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Wed Jul 26 03:50:00 PDT 2000
>Closed-Date:
>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Dan Langille
>Release:        
>Organization:
The FreeBSD Diary
>Environment:
>Description:
The handbook implies that when building a custom kernel, you need to 
do a build world first. That's not correct.

From http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html (near 
bottom of page):

For FreeBSD 4.x or later (or upgrading from FreeBSD 3.x to FreeBSD 
4.x or higher), use the following commands (be sure you have built 
world before!):

While correct, if you know what you are doing, we've had people
asking about how to build world, when all they need is a new
kernel.

Someone please verify my claims in the patch for correctness.  Cheers.
>How-To-Repeat:

>Fix:
--- chapter.sgml.original       Sat Jul 22 17:50:25 2000
+++ chapter.sgml        Sat Jul 22 18:09:47 2000
@@ -155,7 +155,8 @@
 &prompt.root; make install
 
     For FreeBSD 4.x or later (or upgrading from FreeBSD 3.x to
-      FreeBSD 4.x or higher), use the following commands (be sure you
+      FreeBSD 4.x or higher), use the following commands (and if you are
+      upgrading FreeBSD, e.g. 3 to 4 or -release to -stable, be sure you
       have built world before you build the kernel!):
 
     &prompt.root; cd /usr/src

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>Number:         20192
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The hardware guide is not on the floppy:

"If the kern.flp floppy does not boot at all or the boot hangs at some 
stage, read the Q&A section of the Hardware Guide on the floppy for
possible causes."


Also, add a hyperlink to the page, where it mentions disabling bios 
virus protection, which can cause problems.
>How-To-Repeat:

>Fix:
--- chapter.sgml.original       Wed Jul 26 22:47:57 2000
+++ chapter.sgml        Wed Jul 26 22:54:42 2000
@@ -614,7 +614,8 @@
            with a menu of initial choices.  If the
            kern.flp floppy does not boot at all or
            the boot hangs at some stage, read the Q&A section of the
-           Hardware Guide on the floppy for possible causes.
+           Hardware Guide 
+            for possible causes, especially BIOS virus protection.
        
 
        

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The following reply was made to PR docs/20191; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: Eric Ogren 
To: dan@freebsddiary.org
Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: docs/20191: you don't ALWAYS have to make world before building a kernel
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:01:37 -0400

 Make [build|install]kernel requires a populated /usr/obj. The only way to
 get that is to make world, so the entry is correct.
 
 However, it is pretty unreasonable for everyone who downloads 4.1 and has
 no intentions of tracking -STABLE to have to a) download the entire src
 tree and b) build it just to get a custom kernel, and for these people,
 the config, make sequence should work fine, since there aren't going to be
 any toolchain issues.
 
 So, having said that, how's the below patch look? My warnings might be a
 little too dire, but I figured it would reduce the 10.2 million questions
 on -stable about kernel builds dying if I made the point several times.
 
 Eric
 
 Index: chapter.sgml
 ===================================================================
 RCS file: /usr/local/doctree/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig/chapter.sgml,v
 retrieving revision 1.30
 diff -u -r1.30 chapter.sgml
 --- chapter.sgml	2000/07/25 09:34:10	1.30
 +++ chapter.sgml	2000/07/26 13:59:57
 @@ -160,14 +160,34 @@
  &prompt.root; make
  &prompt.root; make install
  
 -    For FreeBSD 4.x or later (or upgrading from FreeBSD 3.x to
 -      FreeBSD 4.x or higher), use the following commands (be sure you
 -      have built world before!):
 +    If you have just upgraded to a newer version of 4.X or
 +      higher (ie from 3.X to 4.0-STABLE, or even from 4.0-STABLE to a
 +      later version of 4.0-STABLE), make sure you have built world, and then run the
 +      following commands:
  
      &prompt.root; cd /usr/src
  &prompt.root; make buildkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL
  &prompt.root; make installkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL
  
 +    If you have not upgraded your source
 +      tree in any way (you have not run CVSUp, 
 +      CTM, or used 
 +      anoncvs, then you should use the 
 +      config, make depend, 
 +      make, make install sequence.
 +
 +    
 +      If you have upgraded your sources since your last kernel
 +        build, you must use the make
 +        buildkernel method to build your kernel.  Otherwise,
 +	old utilities will be used to build the kernel, which will
 +	probably fail.  Do not use the
 +	config/make sequence to
 +	build your kernel if you have updated the
 +	sources!
 +    
 +    
      The new kernel will be copied to the root directory as
        /kernel and the old kernel will be moved to
        /kernel.old.  Now, shutdown the system and
  
 
 On Wed, Jul 26, 2000 at 03:42:06AM -0700, dan@freebsddiary.org wrote:
 > >Description:
 > The handbook implies that when building a custom kernel, you need to 
 > do a build world first. That's not correct.
 


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On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 07:10:04 MST, Eric Ogren wrote:

>  +      tree in any way (you have not run CVSUp, 

Note that CVSup is spelled with a lower-case ``u''.

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Synopsis: More emphasis is needed on the /usr/share/examples/ppp in documentation

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Committed, thanks!

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On Sun, Jul 23, 2000 at 11:34:00PM -0700, jim@FreeBSD.org wrote:
> Synopsis: Better user ppp documentation in man page than in handbook
> 
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> I'll take this.  I smell a ppp-handbook somewhere down the road :-)

Perhaps a 'serial comms' Handbook would be better?

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On Sun, Jul 23, 2000 at 10:50:01PM -0700, Jim Mock wrote:
>  I think the major reason for this is that a) stuff that's needed can be
>  added when a document is written, 

As Udo points out, this is a bit of a pain.

>  and b) it keeps the file size down.

Also, as he pointed out in an earlied message, while this is the case, it
seems to have a negligible effect on the Jade's process time and memory
usage.

I say go for it.

In particular, with an eye to the future, I'd like to see something like
man-refs.ent be shared between the BSDs (and who knows, perhaps a few Linux
distros as well).  No sense in everybody reinventing the wheel.

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Alexey,

On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 12:04:55PM +0300, Alexey Zelkin wrote:
> Hmm... Not sure that understand you correctly, but when handbook
> will be translated -- it'll be placed on official FreeBSD web site
> (as http://www.FreeBSD.org/ru/handbook/) and mirrored to all web
> mirrors.

Is there any reason it's not there now?  I know it's not complete yet,
but I think a partially translated Handbook is going to be more use to 
people than no Handbook at all.

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From owner-freebsd-doc  Wed Jul 26 12: 4:39 2000
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On Tue, Jul 25, 2000 at 09:35:00AM -0400, Eric Ogren wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2000 at 01:30:22PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote:
> > We are, but we're trying to replace it with the correct DocBook markup so
> > the 'blurb' can be generated (or supressed, or used to generate a big 
> > "Table of contributors") automatically.
> 
> OK, wasn't aware of that.

Any assistance gratefully appreciated.

> > Sadly, I haven't written the DSSSL to do this (Formatting Barbie: DSSSL is
> > hard), and neither has anyone else. . .
> 
> Every time I look at DSSSL, I get scared. :) 

It's not too hard.  The description in the DuckBook helps, as do Norm's
stylesheets.  I don't think I've written anything from scratch yet, it's
all been cribbed from various sources.

> > >  This does still leave the FAQ though; do we want to include
> > > "This question submitted by X" at the bottom of a bunch of questions
> > > if somebody puts it there (I don't know if anybody does this or not),
> > 
> > I'd really rather not.  I'm still somewhat put out by dcs' insistence on
> > a 'copyright' notice on the "How many committers does it take to screw
> > in a lightbulb" question in there.
> 
> Exactly, that was my point. If somebody wants credit for their FAQ
> question, what do we do?

Stick it in an *Info element for the time being.  If they really want to
see their name in lights then perhaps they'll be motivated to write the
necessary chunks of DSSSL. . .

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On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 11:31:50PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote:
> > Should these rare cases just be changed, or can you add some more magic
> > to that stuff to make the link not be created if the text is already
> > within a link?
> 
> I'm tempted to ignore them for the moment.  I've sent a message to the
> DocBook stylesheets list asking for advice.

Looks like you can't.  There's no way to query your output stream to find
out which element you're in the middle of, and apparently you don't get 
global variables which you can twiddle in the middle of the process, so you
can't keep track of the context that way either.

I say we do it anyway.

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On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 at 19:33:07 +0100, Nik Clayton wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2000 at 10:50:01PM -0700, Jim Mock wrote:
> >  I think the major reason for this is that a) stuff that's needed
> >  can be added when a document is written, 
> 
> As Udo points out, this is a bit of a pain.

Yeah, after reading his reply, it makes sense.

> >  and b) it keeps the file size down.
> 
> Also, as he pointed out in an earlied message, while this is the
> case, it seems to have a negligible effect on the Jade's process time
> and memory usage.
> 
> I say go for it.

I was just about to test it out locally and then commit it :-)

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On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 at 19:55:54 +0100, Nik Clayton wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2000 at 11:34:00PM -0700, jim@FreeBSD.org wrote:
> > Synopsis: Better user ppp documentation in man page than in handbook
> > 
> > Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->jim
> > Responsible-Changed-By: jim
> > Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Jul 23 23:31:23 PDT 2000
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> > I'll take this.  I smell a ppp-handbook somewhere down the road :-)
> 
> Perhaps a 'serial comms' Handbook would be better?

Yeah, I thought about that afterwards.  With a serial comms handbook, we
could include the SLIP stuff too.

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Committed, thanks!

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etwa 1 Billion Dollar (980 Mrd. €) kaufen. Deutschland liegt im internationalen 
Vergleich noch zurück, zieht aber beim Online-Shopping im nächsten Jahr an 
den in Europa führenden Briten vorbei. Dann werden die hiesigen Internet-Surfer 
Waren und Dienste für fast 7 Milliarden Mark (3,58 Mrd. €) bestellen.

Wem ist es je gelungen seinem Glück passiv entgegen zu treiben ? 

Partizipieren Sie an diesem Trend und bauen Sie jetzt Ihr eigenes Geschäft 
im Internet auf (!)

Die Zukunft wird durch die Qualität unserer Gedanken von heute gestaltet.

Erfolg hat der, der sich dafür entscheidet Erfolg zu haben. Nur derjenige, 
der aus seinen Fehlern nichts gelernt hat, steht als wirklicher Versager da. 
Misserfolg wird zum Erfolg, wenn Sie etwas daraus lernen. Erfolg hat nur der, 
der sich ohne nachzulassen einsetzt - und sich bewegt (!) 

Are you ready for the future ?

 

Mit freundlichem Gruß

@ktiva Internet & Marketing Services

Andreas Knappe

Website: www.aktiva-online.de

E-Mail: A.Knappe@aktiva-online.de

 

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Subject: Re: docs/20056: Bad SGML in the "@ sign" entry of the FAQ
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Nik Clayton wrote:

> Looks like you can't.  There's no way to query your output stream to find
> out which element you're in the middle of, and apparently you don't get 
> global variables which you can twiddle in the middle of the process, so you
> can't keep track of the context that way either.
> 
> I say we do it anyway.

I agree.  It should be easy enough to find any brokenness in the HTML
output and fix it.

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The English version of the handbook (just d/l and made today)
has a link in 18.2.2.3 section 2. b. to what is supposed to be a 
cvsup file suitable for pulling down stable, but this file
has the tag=RELENG_3. 

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Subject: Re: docs/20130: Entities missing from doc/share/sgml/man-refs.ent
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I think a few things need fixing, unless there's a good reason for them
being the way they are:

Index: man-refs.ent
===================================================================
RCS file: /usr/cvs/doc/share/sgml/man-refs.ent,v
retrieving revision 1.46
diff -u -r1.46 man-refs.ent
--- man-refs.ent	2000/07/26 22:09:55	1.46
+++ man-refs.ent	2000/07/27 02:54:38
@@ -40,7 +40,7 @@
 
 
 
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+
 
 
 
@@ -155,7 +155,7 @@
 
 
 
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+
 
 
 
@@ -164,7 +164,7 @@
 
 
 
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+
 
 
 
@@ -253,7 +253,7 @@
 
 
 
-
+
 
 
 

Shall I commit this, or is there a good reason not to?

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On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 at 03:57:13 +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote:
> I think a few things need fixing, unless there's a good reason for them
> being the way they are:
> 
> Index: man-refs.ent
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /usr/cvs/doc/share/sgml/man-refs.ent,v
> retrieving revision 1.46
> diff -u -r1.46 man-refs.ent
> --- man-refs.ent	2000/07/26 22:09:55	1.46
> +++ man-refs.ent	2000/07/27 02:54:38
> @@ -40,7 +40,7 @@
>  
>  
>  
> -
> +
>  
>  
>  
> @@ -155,7 +155,7 @@
>  
>  
>  
> -
> +
>  
>  
>  
> @@ -164,7 +164,7 @@
>  
>  
>  
> -
> +
>  
>  
>  
> @@ -253,7 +253,7 @@
>  
>  
>  
> -
> +
>  
>  
>  
> 
> Shall I commit this, or is there a good reason not to?

Looks fine to me.  Go for it.

- jim

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From: Udo Erdelhoff 
To: Ben Smithurst 
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Subject: Re: docs/20130: Entities missing from doc/share/sgml/man-refs.ent
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On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 03:57:13AM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote:
> I think a few things need fixing, unless there's a good reason for them
> being the way they are:
> 
> [Patch to restore flex++, g++ and friends]

Definitely, your patch restores the entities generated by my makemanent
script. The port (textproc/fdp-tools) should become available within in
the next few days.

> Shall I commit this, or is there a good reason not to?

I think you should commit these changes.

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>Number:         20209
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       Update of FAQ to 4.1
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Wed Jul 26 23:30:00 PDT 2000
>Closed-Date:
>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Eric Ogren
>Release:        FreeBSD 4.1-RC i386
>Organization:
>Environment:

Updated doc repository.

>Description:

 The FAQ has a couple of entries about 4.0 being the latest release on
the 4-STABLE branch. Since 4.1 is hitting the FTP sites very soon (if it
hasn't already), these should probably be updated to 4.1.
 This patch also slightly rewords a couple of sentences in the big ASCII
tree in the Preface.

>How-To-Repeat:

n/a

>Fix:

Index: book.sgml
===================================================================
RCS file: /usr/local/doctree/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml,v
retrieving revision 1.80
diff -u -r1.80 book.sgml
--- book.sgml	2000/07/25 18:24:48	1.80
+++ book.sgml	2000/07/27 06:19:25
@@ -154,9 +154,9 @@
 
 	
 	  Version 4.0
+	    URL="ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.1-RELEASE/">4.0
 	    is the latest stable version; it was
-	    released in March, 2000. This is also the latest
+	    released in July, 2000. This is also the latest
 	    release version.
 
 	  Briefly explained, -STABLE is aimed
@@ -300,23 +300,26 @@
                3.0-RELEASE (Oct 1998)
                   |
                   |  [3.0-STABLE]
- *BRANCH*      3.1-RELESE  (Feb 1999) -> 3.2 -> 3.3 -> 3.4 -> ... future 3.x releases ...
+ *BRANCH*      3.1-RELEASE  (Feb 1999) -> 3.2 -> 3.3 -> 3.4 -> ... future 3.x releases ...
                   |                     (May 1999) (Sep 1999) (Dec 1999)
                   |
                   |  [4.0-STABLE]
- *BRANCH*        4.0  (Mar 2000) -> ... future 4.x releases ...
+ *BRANCH*        4.0  (Mar 2000) -> 4.1 -> ... future 4.x releases ...
                   |
-                  |
+                  |              (Jul 2000)
                  \|/
                   +
           [5.0-CURRENT continues]
 
 	  The -CURRENT branch is slowly progressing towards 5.0 and
 	    beyond, the previous 2.2-STABLE branch having been retired
-	    with the release of 2.2.8.  3.4-STABLE has now replaced it,
+	    with the release of 2.2.8.  3-STABLE replaced it,
 	    with 3.4-RELEASE being released in mid-December 1999.
-	    4.0-RELEASE was released in March 2000. Although 4-STABLE
-	    is the actively developed -STABLE branch, bugfixes are
+	    In May 2000, the 3-STABLE branch was more or less replaced
+	    by the 4-STABLE branch.
+	    4.1-RELEASE was released in July 2000.  4-STABLE
+	    is the actively developed -STABLE branch, although some
+	    bugfixes (mostly security-related) are
 	    still being committed to 3-STABLE. It is expected that the 
 	    3.X branch will be officially obsoleted some time in
 	    summer 2000.
@@ -408,9 +411,9 @@
 	    
 
 	    
-	      The current 4.X-STABLE release, 4.0-RELEASE can be
+	      The current 4.X-STABLE release, 4.1-RELEASE can be
 	      found in the  the 4.0-RELEASE directory.
+	      URL="ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.1-RELEASE/"> the 4.1-RELEASE directory.
 	      
 
 	    
@@ -2458,7 +2461,7 @@
       
 
 
-In FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT or later, the line should be:
+In FreeBSD 4.0 or later, the line should be:
 
 
         device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12
@@ -3834,7 +3837,7 @@
 mailing list for periodic updates on new
 entries.
 
-Most ports should be available for the 2.2, 3.x and 4.0
+Most ports should be available for the 2.2, 3.x and 4.x
 branches, and many of them should work on 2.1.x systems as
 well.  Each time a FreeBSD release is made, a snapshot of the
 ports tree at the time of release in also included in the
@@ -3877,7 +3880,7 @@
 
 
 
-for 4.0-RELEASE/4.X-STABLE
+for 4.1-RELEASE/4.X-STABLE
 
 
 ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-4-stable/

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On 2000-07-26 20:53 -0500, Lars Eighner  wrote:
> The English version of the handbook (just d/l and made today)
> has a link in 18.2.2.3 section 2. b. to what is supposed to be a 
> cvsup file suitable for pulling down stable, but this file
> has the tag=RELENG_3. 

The cvsup file itself is correct; it's on the head of the tree
and doesn't really matter.  (-CURRENT users know how to update
the source already.)  The Handbook link should point to the 
FreeBSD-stable branch on ftp.freebsd.org, rather than the 
FreeBSD-current branch, especially since the handbook describes
FreeBSD-stable.  

However, even if the Handbook link is updated, the FreeBSD-stable
copy on ftp.freebsd.org apparently has not been updated since
4.0-RELEASE, and doesn't have the updated stable-supfile.  I'll
check with the JREs on that part of the matter.

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I'd like to announce a relatively new mailing list, XML-DOC, which
has been created for general discussions related to the
application of XML to technical documentation. You can subscribe
to the list by sending a blank e-mail message to:

  xml-doc-subscribe@egroups.com

You can also subscribe at the XML-DOC website:

  http://www.egroups.com/group/xml-doc

I apologize if an announcement about XML-DOC has already gone out
to this list or if most of you are already aware of it through a
posting to one of the other mailing lists related to open-source
documentation, but I'm trying hard to get as many interested
people signed up and participating in XML-DOC as I can.

Although the list is only 4 weeks old, it already has almost 600
subscribers. However, at this point, I don't think the
open-source perspective is well-represented on XML-DOC, so
I'd really like to encourage you all to sign up and participate if
you have the time and energy for yet another list.

Here's a brief description of XML-DOC that might help you decide
whether you really want to sign up or not:

  XML-DOC is for technical writers, markup authors, XML
  developers, XML product vendors and systems integrators, and
  anyone else interested in discussing the application of XML
  tools and techniques to the creation of documentation,
  particularly documentation for computer software and hardware
  and for e-business infrastructure. Topics that are highly
  encouraged on the list:

   * Using XML-based content management systems
   * Profiling/customizing for multiple audiences/delivery formats
   * Using DocBook and other DTDs to create technical documentation
   * Transitioning to XML authoring from a FrameMaker, Interleaf,
     etc. environment
   * Publishing (transforming and delivering XML content)
   * Converting legacy documents to XML
   * Performing document analyses and creating/refining DTDs

And to that list of topics, I'd like to add that some of the
recent threads on the list have started out with messages titled:

   * DocBook and open source docs
   * Is XML ready for prime time? (XML v. SGML)
   * Topic maps: better linking

Of course, XML-DOC is not intended to duplicate or supersede the
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for general discussions of XML as it relates to documentation.

Hope to see some of you there.

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Subject: Re: docs/20121: Better user ppp documentation in man page than in handbook
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On Wed 2000-07-26 (12:10), Jim Mock wrote:
> > Perhaps a 'serial comms' Handbook would be better?
> 
> Yeah, I thought about that afterwards.  With a serial comms handbook, we
> could include the SLIP stuff too.

"Networking Handbook"?

I have some basic stuff sitting on the laptop at home describing how one
actually adds new network cards to the rc.conf stuff, how to set up the
default firewall stuff, how to use cpp to pre-process firewall rules,
and so forth.

When I finally get a telephone at home, I'll whip it into shape.

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Gregory Sutter wrote:
> 
> On 2000-07-26 20:53 -0500, Lars Eighner  wrote:
> > The English version of the handbook (just d/l and made today)
> > has a link in 18.2.2.3 section 2. b. to what is supposed to be a
> > cvsup file suitable for pulling down stable, but this file
> > has the tag=RELENG_3.
> 
> The cvsup file itself is correct; it's on the head of the tree
> and doesn't really matter.  (-CURRENT users know how to update
> the source already.)  The Handbook link should point to the
> FreeBSD-stable branch on ftp.freebsd.org, rather than the
> FreeBSD-current branch, especially since the handbook describes
> FreeBSD-stable.
> 
> However, even if the Handbook link is updated, the FreeBSD-stable
> copy on ftp.freebsd.org apparently has not been updated since
> 4.0-RELEASE, and doesn't have the updated stable-supfile.  I'll
> check with the JREs on that part of the matter.

Isn't this because we now have a file called 4.x-stable-supfile.

The 4.x-stable-supfile in /usr/share/examples/cvsup still has the
cvs-cryto collections and comments in it.

Kent

> 
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I was just about to commit this but noticed that it is in src/contrib
and ISTR that we don't touch contrib stuff. Is this correct, or can I
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Mark Ovens wrote:

> I was just about to commit this but noticed that it is in src/contrib
> and ISTR that we don't touch contrib stuff. Is this correct, or can I
> go ahead?

I think you're allowed if the file has already been taken off the vendor
branch.  amq.8 has:

RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/contrib/amd/amq/amq.8,v
Working file: amq.8
head: 1.5
branch:
locks: strict

Note the empty ``branch:'' line.  I think that's the rule, anyway, you
should probably get a slightly more experienced committer's opinion. :-)

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[ copying -doc because I've got a doc patch for the FAQ ... perhaps :) ]

[ On Thursday, July 27, John Baldwin wrote: ]
> 
> Umm, well.  First off, disklabel -B doesn't fix your MBR.  fdisk does that,
> or boot0cfg if you are using boot0 to dual-boot.  However, can you type

Hmmm. Must have just been bit-rot in my brain from WAY back. Maybe it was the
3.x to 4.x transition where I remember seeing ``do disklabel -B'' ... can't
remember. OK, now I know boot0cfg so I'll remember that. Thanks very much!

> disklabel ad0 now and get useful information?  Or disklabel ad0sX (where X
> is the slice number for your FreeBSD slice)?

oh yes, no problems.

> Yes, this touches the MBR.  The disklabel command serves the same purpose as
> the label editor in sysinstall.  IOW, you use disklabel to lay out partitions
> (a-h) within a FreeBSD slice.
> 
> See if disklabel ad0 works now.

Absolutely. Since this is a way to recover the MBR in addition to what was
already in the FAQ, I hacked up some changes to that FAQ entry. Attached is a
diff--be gentle, this is my very first time attempting to hack SGML :) ...

(I will go ahead and just send-pr this as well ....)

--- book.sgml.orig	Thu Jul 27 11:08:53 2000
+++ book.sgml	Thu Jul 27 11:38:03 2000
@@ -1306,22 +1306,22 @@
 
 
 
-Can Windows 95 co-exist with FreeBSD?
+Can Windows 95/98 co-exist with FreeBSD?
 
-Install Windows 95 first, after that FreeBSD. FreeBSD's boot
-manager will then manage to boot Win95 and FreeBSD.  If you
-install Windows 95 second, it will boorishly overwrite your
+Install Windows 95/98 first, after that FreeBSD. FreeBSD's boot
+manager will then manage to boot Win95/98 and FreeBSD.  If you
+install Windows 95/98 second, it will boorishly overwrite your
 boot manager without even asking.  If that happens, see
 the next section.
 
 
 
 
-        Windows 95 killed my boot manager!  How do I get it back?
+        Windows 95/98 killed my boot manager!  How do I get it back?
       
 
 You can reinstall the boot manager FreeBSD comes with in one of
-two ways:
+three ways:
 
 
 
@@ -1351,6 +1351,24 @@
 prompt, be sure to select "Boot Manager."
 This will re-write the boot manager to disk.  Now quit out of the
 installation menu and reboot off the hard disk as normal.
+
+
+
+Boot the FreeBSD boot floppy (or CD-ROM) and choose the 
+Fixit menu item. Select either the Fixit floppy or 
+CD-ROM #2 (the live file system option) as appropriate
+and enter the fixit shell. Then execute the following command:
+
+
+Fixit#  boot0cfg -B bootdevice 
+
+
+substituting bootdevice for your real boot device such
+as ad0 (first IDE disk), ad4 (first IDE disk on auxiliary controller), da0
+(first SCSI disk), etc.
+
+
+
 
 
 

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>Number:         20226
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       FAQ update for "win95 killed mbr" question
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Thu Jul 27 11:50:03 PDT 2000
>Closed-Date:
>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     John Reynolds
>Release:        FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386
>Organization:
>Environment:

FreeBSD whale 4.1-STABLE FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE #0: Wed Jul 26 20:23:29 MST 2000     root@whale:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WHALE  i386

>Description:

  The description how to get back your MBR if Windows 95 or '98 "boorishly"
  nukes it in a dual-boot situation has been enhanced to show the "boot0cfg"
  command. Also, the "Windows 95" has been rev'ed to include Windows 95/98
  because the same procedures apply to 98 as 95.

>How-To-Repeat:

  See FAQ :)

>Fix:

Apply the following patch to /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml

--- book.sgml.orig	Thu Jul 27 11:08:53 2000
+++ book.sgml	Thu Jul 27 11:38:03 2000
@@ -1306,22 +1306,22 @@
 
 
 
-Can Windows 95 co-exist with FreeBSD?
+Can Windows 95/98 co-exist with FreeBSD?
 
-Install Windows 95 first, after that FreeBSD. FreeBSD's boot
-manager will then manage to boot Win95 and FreeBSD.  If you
-install Windows 95 second, it will boorishly overwrite your
+Install Windows 95/98 first, after that FreeBSD. FreeBSD's boot
+manager will then manage to boot Win95/98 and FreeBSD.  If you
+install Windows 95/98 second, it will boorishly overwrite your
 boot manager without even asking.  If that happens, see
 the next section.
 
 
 
 
-        Windows 95 killed my boot manager!  How do I get it back?
+        Windows 95/98 killed my boot manager!  How do I get it back?
       
 
 You can reinstall the boot manager FreeBSD comes with in one of
-two ways:
+three ways:
 
 
 
@@ -1351,6 +1351,24 @@
 prompt, be sure to select "Boot Manager."
 This will re-write the boot manager to disk.  Now quit out of the
 installation menu and reboot off the hard disk as normal.
+
+
+
+Boot the FreeBSD boot floppy (or CD-ROM) and choose the 
+Fixit menu item. Select either the Fixit floppy or 
+CD-ROM #2 (the live file system option) as appropriate
+and enter the fixit shell. Then execute the following command:
+
+
+Fixit#  boot0cfg -B bootdevice 
+
+
+substituting bootdevice for your real boot device such
+as ad0 (first IDE disk), ad4 (first IDE disk on auxiliary controller), da0
+(first SCSI disk), etc.
+
+
+
 
 
 



>Release-Note:
>Audit-Trail:
>Unformatted:


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From: Ben Smithurst 
To: jjreynold@home.com
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Subject: Re: docs/20226: FAQ update for "win95 killed boot manager" question
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:24:56 +0100

 jjreynold@home.com wrote:
 
 > +Fixit#  boot0cfg -B bootdevice 
 > +
 
 Nuke the empty .
 
 > +substituting bootdevice for your real boot device such
 
  around "bootdevice" in both places, and don't use  at
 all for that.
 
 > +as ad0 (first IDE disk), ad4 (first IDE disk on auxiliary controller), da0
 > +(first SCSI disk), etc.
 
 You probably need  around the device names.
 
 Other than that, it doesn't look too bad.  I don't know if you need the
 space with  either.  I know technically the space *is* included in
 the prompt, but there's a space after the normal root prompt as well which
 isn't included in the &prompt.root entity:
 
 freebsd.dtd:#">
 
 But I'm getting picky now. :-)
 
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From: John Reynolds 
To: Ben Smithurst 
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Subject: Re: docs/20226: FAQ update for "win95 killed boot manager" question
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:33:22 -0700 (MST)

 [ On Thursday, July 27, Ben Smithurst wrote: ]
 > 
 > Nuke the empty .
 > 
 >  around "bootdevice" in both places, and don't use  at
 > all for that.
 > 
 > You probably need  around the device names.
 > 
 > Other than that, it doesn't look too bad.  I don't know if you need the
 > space with  either.  I know technically the space *is* included in
 > the prompt, but there's a space after the normal root prompt as well which
 > isn't included in the &prompt.root entity:
 > 
 > freebsd.dtd:#">
 
 Cool. I was mostly copying from the previous "listitem" which is why you see
 some of the stuff the way it was.
 
 Do you want me to slightly reformat it per the above suggestions before it's
 committable? 
 
 > But I'm getting picky now. :-)
 
 be gentle :)
 
 -Jr
 
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From: Ben Smithurst 
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:43:57 +0100

 John Reynolds wrote:
 
 > Do you want me to slightly reformat it per the above suggestions before it's
 > committable? 
 
 No need really, they're easy enough for me to do myself.  I'll probably
 commit this in a few hours unless someone else wants to before then.
 
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From: Udo Erdelhoff 
To: eogren@earthlink.net
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Subject: Re: docs/20209: [PATCH] Update of FAQ to 4.1
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:18:39 +0200

 On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 02:24:25AM -0400, eogren@earthlink.net wrote:
 Some comments:
 
 > Index: book.sgml
 > ===================================================================
 > RCS file: /usr/local/doctree/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml,v
 > retrieving revision 1.80
 > diff -u -r1.80 book.sgml
 > --- book.sgml	2000/07/25 18:24:48	1.80
 > +++ book.sgml	2000/07/27 06:19:25
 > @@ -154,9 +154,9 @@
 > -	    URL="ftp://[...]/releases/i386/4.0-RELEASE/">4.0
 > +	    URL="ftp://[...]/releases/i386/4.1-RELEASE/">4.0
                                            ^^^           ^^^
 You may want to use 1,$s/4\.0/4.1/g next time ;-)
 
 > @@ -300,23 +300,26 @@
 >                 3.0-RELEASE (Oct 1998)
 >                    |
 >                    |  [3.0-STABLE]
 > - *BRANCH*      3.1-RELESE  (Feb 1999) -> 3.2 -> 3.3 -> 3.4 -> ... future 3.x releases ...
 > + *BRANCH*      3.1-RELEASE  (Feb 1999) -> 3.2 -> 3.3 -> 3.4 -> ... future 3.x releases ...
 >                    |                     (May 1999) (Sep 1999) (Dec 1999)
 You may want to add 3.5-RELEASE (June 2000)
 
 > -	    with the release of 2.2.8.  3.4-STABLE has now replaced it,
 > +	    with the release of 2.2.8.  3-STABLE replaced it,
 >  	    with 3.4-RELEASE being released in mid-December 1999.
 "with 3.5-RELEASE having been released in June 2000"
 
 > @@ -408,9 +411,9 @@
 > -	      The current 4.X-STABLE release, 4.0-RELEASE can be
 > +	      The current 4.X-STABLE release, 4.1-RELEASE can be
 I would prefer to use 4-STABLE instead of 4.X-STABLE. There's only one
 CVS Branch for the variouses 4.X-Releases.
 
 >  	      found in the  -	      URL="ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.0-RELEASE/"> the 4.0-RELEASE directory.
 > +	      URL="ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.1-RELEASE/"> the 4.1-RELEASE directory.
 will result in "... found in the  directory." (link part
 denoted by <>)
 
 One of the two "the" can be removed and the word directory should be a part
 of the link, too. In other words, use 
 
 found in .
 
 and get 
 "...found in "
 
 > @@ -3877,7 +3880,7 @@
 >  
 >  
 >  
 > -for 4.0-RELEASE/4.X-STABLE
 > +for 4.1-RELEASE/4.X-STABLE
 Again, I'd prefer to use 4-STABLE instead of 4.X-STABLE.
 
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On Thursday, 27 July 2000 at  3:59:27 -0700, Chitti Raju wrote:
> This message was sent from Geocrawler.com by "Chitti Raju" 
>
> Hello Greg,
> My name Chitti and want to write device drivers in Free BSD. I was
> searching for tutorials on writing device drivers on the net and
> found your reply to same question posted earlier. I went to the
> mentioned link and couldn't find the tutorial there. If you have a
> soft copy, can you please mail me. My email address is
> chitti.raju@wipro.com

Ah, yes, I know Wipro.  I spent a week holding a course in
Secunderabad a few years back.  Where are you located?

> On Tue,  7 April 1998 at  9:44:30 +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 07, 1998 at 01:34:15PM +0800, Doug Lo wrote:
>>> I want to write device drivers on FreeBSD, would anyone know where has
>>> information about it?
>>>
>>
>> Go to the http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials.
>> See ``FreeBSD Device Driver Writer`s Guide``.
>
> More specifically, the URL is
> http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/ddwg/ddwg.html.

I believe that this tutorial was removed because it was so out of
date.  Unfortunately, the system is currently in a state of flux, and
I don't think anybody has updated it.  I'm copying the documentation
project, who might be able to help you further.  If that doesn't help,
the best thing you can do is get a generic UNIX (not Linux) device
driver book, none of which are very good, and use that and the source
code of a similar driver to help you.  The book I have is by Egan and
Teixiera, and is very old.  You may also get answers to specific
questions on FreeBSD-hackers.

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I am considering starting a mirror of FreeBSD.org
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Committed, thanks!

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>Number:         20235
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       Wrong release date for 4.1 RELEASE on http://www.freebsd.org/releases/
>Confidential:   no
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>Description:

The release date for FreeBSD 4.1 is incorrectly listed on:
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The page reads like this:

Current Release(s)

Release 4.1 (March, 2000) Announcement : Release Notes : Errata

That should obviously say July, 2000.

>How-To-Repeat:

Look at http://www.freebsd.org/releases/ :)

>Fix:

s/March/July

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Already got it, thanks. :0

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On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 07:24:28PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote:
> Mark Ovens wrote:
> 
> > I was just about to commit this but noticed that it is in src/contrib
> > and ISTR that we don't touch contrib stuff. Is this correct, or can I
> > go ahead?
> 
> I think you're allowed if the file has already been taken off the vendor
> branch.  



> Note the empty ``branch:'' line.  I think that's the rule, anyway, you
> should probably get a slightly more experienced committer's opinion. :-)

Ben's quite correct.

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Index: index.sgml
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/ncvs/www/en/index.sgml,v
retrieving revision 1.88
diff -u -u -r1.88 index.sgml
--- index.sgml	2000/06/23 01:09:33	1.88
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@@ -133,7 +133,7 @@
 	    
What is FreeBSD?

 	    
 	    
FreeBSD is an advanced BSD UNIX operating system for
-	      "PC-compatible" computers, developed and maintained by a large team of
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I'll take this.
This problem also affects lpq(1), lpr(1), and pac(8).

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Hi

The FreeBSD-handbook (which I can find under
/usr/share/doc/handbook or on www.FreeBSD.ORG/handbook/) is
very fine and easy to read for me (I'm not a native english
speaker).

Now I'd like to know, if there's a project around, whose
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Also sprach Thomas Bader (thomas@t-bader.ch):

> Now I'd like to know, if there's a project around, whose
> effort is to translate the entire handbook into german.

Yes.  An old version of the handbook is partially translated:
http://www.de.FreeBSD.ORG/de/handbook/
However, most parts still apply :-)

Work is in progress for the current handbook, but it's not publically
available yet (only via CVS(up), as part of the doc/ tree).

Alex


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-On [20000728 07:35], Greg Lehey (grog@lemis.com) wrote:
>>> Go to the http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials.
>>> See ``FreeBSD Device Driver Writer`s Guide``.
>>
>> More specifically, the URL is
>> http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/ddwg/ddwg.html.
>
>I believe that this tutorial was removed because it was so out of
>date.  Unfortunately, the system is currently in a state of flux, and
>I don't think anybody has updated it.  I'm copying the documentation
>project, who might be able to help you further.  If that doesn't help,
>the best thing you can do is get a generic UNIX (not Linux) device
>driver book, none of which are very good, and use that and the source
>code of a similar driver to help you.  The book I have is by Egan and
>Teixiera, and is very old.  You may also get answers to specific
>questions on FreeBSD-hackers.

Currently Alexander and me are preparing some thing for the Developer's
Handbook in which device driver writing will be featured again.

I know we've been without some good docs on this for a while, but since
it is doc persons writing the supplemental coding docs it takes a little
longer. ;)

Seriously, its WIP and I hope, together with Alex, to provide some
concrete things RSN.

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>Number:         20294
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       ipf(5) defines icmp rule twice
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Sat Jul 29 16:30:01 PDT 2000
>Closed-Date:
>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Slawek Zak
>Release:        FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386
>Organization:
	Warsaw University of Technology
>Environment:

	Current for July 29

>Description:

	ipf(5) defines icmp rule twice:

	       icmp = "return-icmp" | "return-icmp-as-dest" .
	       icmp = "icmp-type" icmp-type [ "code" decnumber ] .

>How-To-Repeat:

	

>Fix:

	

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>Audit-Trail:
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