From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Oct 15 5:20: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8D937B67B for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 05:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id FAA11481; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 05:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from numeri.campus.luth.se (numeri.campus.luth.se [130.240.197.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B5737B670 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 05:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from k@localhost) by numeri.campus.luth.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA65824; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:17:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from k) Message-Id: <200010151217.OAA65824@numeri.campus.luth.se> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:17:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Johan Karlsson Reply-To: k@numeri.campus.luth.se To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/21999: [PATCH] Ask for numeric-sorted nm(1) output in FAQ. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 21999 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] Ask for numeric-sorted nm(1) output in FAQ. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Oct 15 05:20:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Johan Karlsson >Release: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: >Description: In the FAQ section 'For serious FreeBSD hackers only' question 'Making the most of a kernel panic' we currently ask for alphabetic-sorted output from nm(1). When trying to debug the panic it is alot easier to find the instruction address if the output is numeric-sorted. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Tell the user to use 'nm -n /kernel.that....' instead. Index: doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.110 diff -u -r1.110 book.sgml --- doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml 2000/10/12 20:36:03 1.110 +++ doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml 2000/10/15 12:04:41 @@ -10939,7 +10939,7 @@ When the system reboots, do the following: - &prompt.user; nm /kernel.that.caused.the.panic | grep f0xxxxxx + &prompt.user; nm -n /kernel.that.caused.the.panic | grep f0xxxxxx where f0xxxxxx is the instruction pointer value. The odds are you will not get an exact @@ -10950,7 +10950,7 @@ last digit from the instruction pointer value and try again, i.e.: - &prompt.user; nm /kernel.that.caused.the.panic | grep f0xxxxx + &prompt.user; nm -n /kernel.that.caused.the.panic | grep f0xxxxx If that doesn't yield any results, chop off another digit. Repeat until you get some sort of output. The >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Oct 15 12:49: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pemaquid.safeport.com (pemaquid.safeport.com [204.156.12.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705D737B66D for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by pemaquid.safeport.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22558 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 15:49:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: pemaquid.safeport.com: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 15:49:03 -0400 (EDT) From: To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: How do I upgrade from 3.X -> 4.X? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was looking for the best way to have a relatively non-technical coworker maintain FreeBSD on a laptop with small (2GB) disk. In reading "How do I upgrade from 3.X -> 4.X?" in the FAQ section I found: A: We strongly recommend that you use binary snapshots to do this. 4-STABLE snapshots are available at releng4.FreeBSD.org. If you wish to upgrade using source, please see the FreeBSD Handbook for more information. Upgrading via source is never recommended for new users, and upgading from 3.X -> 4.X is even less so; make sure you have read the instructions carefully before attempting to upgrade via source this! However from ftp://releng4.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/README-40.TXT: ----------------------------------------- FreeBSD 4.1 --- SNAPSHOT Version ----------------------------------------- This is a snapshot release of the 4.1.1-stable (RELENG_4) branch which is currently moving towards the release of 4.2. : : TARGET AUDIENCE: ---------------- This release is aimed primarily at early-adopters and the various other folks who want to get involved with the ongoing development of FreeBSD and are willing to deal with a few bumps in the road. We do our best to ensure that each snapshot works as advertised, but tracking -stable is a process which sometimes has its off days. : : Was there a change in philosophy? Two spelling knits: 1) upgading ==> upgrading 2) ...the instructions carefully before attempting to upgrade via source this! (probably delete this??) From the README file I would think the best way for non-technical people would be to install 4.x from CD-ROM, FTP, or whatever and then put local etc changes back by hand. It seems to me, the best answer to my real question is to maintain the source tree on a larger system, maintain that with cvsup and NFS mount the source tree to build and install packages etc. Two questions: if this is correct, is there some guidance on doing this? If not, I would be happy to write one to contribute. I would be happy to take a shot at this regardless of the proper answer to the question. _____ Douglas Denault doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-469-8766 Fax: 301-469-0601 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Oct 15 13:38:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F06037B502 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 13:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id WAA04919; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:39:14 +0200 (MEST) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13kuYJ-000870-00; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:38:39 +0200 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 22:38:39 +0200 From: Szilveszter Adam To: doug@safeport.com Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: How do I upgrade from 3.X -> 4.X? Message-ID: <20001015223839.C27296@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: doug@safeport.com, doc@FreeBSD.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from doug@safeport.com on Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 03:49:03PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 03:49:03PM -0400, doug@safeport.com wrote: > I was looking for the best way to have a relatively non-technical > coworker maintain FreeBSD on a laptop with small (2GB) disk. In reading > "How do I upgrade from 3.X -> 4.X?" in the FAQ section I found: > > A: We strongly recommend that you use binary snapshots to do > this. 4-STABLE snapshots are available at releng4.FreeBSD.org. > > If you wish to upgrade using source, please see the FreeBSD > Handbook for more information. > > Upgrading via source is never recommended for new users, and > upgading from 3.X -> 4.X is even less so; make sure you have read > the instructions carefully before attempting to upgrade via source > this! I think this is correct. Upgrading via source presumes some familiarity with the code and also some exprience with regard to compiling sources etc while a binary upgrade certainly is more suited for beginners. Also, bear in mind that even someone who has UNIX experience already might find the process of 'making world' very new since I am not aware of any other OS (free or otherwise) that would give you such upgrade opportunities. Plus, with source upgrades there is always the possibility that it does not even compile. This happens on -CURRENT almost every other day, but can happen on -STABLE too. > However from ftp://releng4.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/README-40.TXT: > > ----------------------------------------- > FreeBSD 4.1 --- SNAPSHOT Version > ----------------------------------------- > > This is a snapshot release of the 4.1.1-stable (RELENG_4) branch > which is currently moving towards the release of 4.2. > : > : > TARGET AUDIENCE: > ---------------- > > This release is aimed primarily at early-adopters and the various > other folks who want to get involved with the ongoing development > of FreeBSD and are willing to deal with a few bumps in the road. > We do our best to ensure that each snapshot works as advertised, > but tracking -stable is a process which sometimes has its off > days. > : > : > > Was there a change in philosophy? I don't think so. If you look at the above, it only says that since this is a snapshot (generated daily) not an official release, there is a possibility that it might contain bugs that may have been corrected by tomorrow. I think the original philosophy behind this is something like this: 1) There are the official releases, which are printed on CDs and made available to the world at large. These are supposed to be appropriate entry-points for newbies as well and are supposed to be the stablest builds. Although lately some nasty bugs always kept creeping in to the -RELEASE builds which even made it necessary to recall one release, which is unprecedented. I would say, that the most stable builds are those approx one week *after* the release date, because by then these nasty little things become known and get fixed. Unfortunately this requires that a large number of people jump on the wagon and tease the new -RELEASE enough to find these. 2) There are the -STABLE snaps. These are generated from the code of the -STABLE branch so they are supposed to be reasonably stable. Also, they have already been compiled, so at least this is not your problem:-) These contain the latest bugfixes (including security enchancements) but on the other hand may also introduce new bugs. There is currently no "official" way in FreeBSD to just get the fixes but not the new features. 3) There is the -STABLE source at any given moment that you can retrieve in a variety of ways. Normally no more "dangerous" than 2) but since it's up to you to compile it, it may or may not be for you. It is a good idea to start with binary updates but as you learn more (and if your machine can satisfy some hw requirements) you can switch to source upgrades. However, strictly speaking there is no "need" to do this for someone who is only "little technical" 4) There is -CURRENT which is a big no-no for any non-development purpose. > >From the README file I would think the best way for non-technical people > would be to install 4.x from CD-ROM, FTP, or whatever and then put local > etc changes back by hand. > > It seems to me, the best answer to my real question is to maintain the > source tree on a larger system, maintain that with cvsup and NFS mount > the source tree to build and install packages etc. Yes, there are situations where this the best option. > Two questions: if this is correct, is there some guidance on doing this? I am not aware of any special document on this. People have been told to search mailing list archives (and they keep asking it anyway again and again.) > If not, I would be happy to write one to contribute. I would be happy to > take a shot at this regardless of the proper answer to the question. Go for it!:-) The more documentation, the better. I cannot do it since I have never actually tried it. This is the way docs are born: You find it out the hard way and document for everybody else. Unfortunately, people keep forgetting part 2 of the sentence... (Which is to remind me that I should write up a new formatting-media tutorial, because the present one is quite a bit outdated and I have just done a full migration of my system to a new, bigger disk.) -- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szeged University Szeged Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Oct 15 14:22:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pemaquid.safeport.com (pemaquid.safeport.com [204.156.12.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B6437B66C for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by pemaquid.safeport.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22703; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:22:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) From: doug@safeport.com X-Authentication-Warning: pemaquid.safeport.com: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:22:04 -0400 (EDT) To: Szilveszter Adam Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: How do I upgrade from 3.X -> 4.X? In-Reply-To: <20001015223839.C27296@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org First - thank you for such a complete answer. I have been running FreeBSD for about a year coming from BSDI. Not to start a religious war, this is just my personal opinion, FreeBSD is better for me technically, and economically :) It is an impressive effort and well organized (I am a fan). I have found cvsup fairly painless and pretty cut and dried; but I have a T1 connection, some CS background, and a great mentor. On Sun, 15 Oct 2000, Szilveszter Adam wrote: [cut] > > Was there a change in philosophy? > > I don't think so. If you look at the above, it only says that since this is > a snapshot (generated daily) not an official release, there is a possibility > that it might contain bugs that may have been corrected by tomorrow. > > I think the original philosophy behind this is something like this: [cut] Thanks, I think I understand. I think I still have some issues with the wording but the FAQ is not on point to my problem and I need to think about your answer and the FAQ content in relation to the question it is answering. > 4) There is -CURRENT which is a big no-no for any non-development purpose. amen - it is not for the faint of heart :) [cut] > Go for it!:-) The more documentation, the better. > I cannot do it since I have never actually tried it. This is the way docs > are born: You find it out the hard way and document for everybody else. > Unfortunately, people keep forgetting part 2 of the sentence... > (Which is to remind me that I should write up a new formatting-media > tutorial, because the present one is quite a bit outdated and I have just > done a full migration of my system to a new, bigger disk.) There is nothing I could find after pretty extensive searching. I have also read/skimmed "The Complete FreeBSD" and the printed version of the handbook without success, so assuming this is a common question I will document when I am done. _____ Douglas Denault doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-469-8766 Fax: 301-469-0601 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Oct 15 17:34:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wolf.istc.kiev.ua (wolf.istc.kiev.ua [193.193.221.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5481437B66C for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 17:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kunia@localhost) by wolf.istc.kiev.ua ( . . / . . ) with ESMTP id DAA30557 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 03:32:49 +0300 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 03:32:49 +0300 (EEST) From: Olexander Kunytsa To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: broken link in FAQ Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/x.html#AEN3333 Now all you need is a splash screen. For that you can surf on over to the gallery at http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/splash/. .. http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/splash/ -- 404 not found To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Oct 15 18:35: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (termroom.bsdcon.org [206.55.247.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B719A37B503 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 18:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9G1VlU02849; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 02:31:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 02:31:46 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Jordan Hubbard , chat@freebsd.ogr Cc: Charles Volkstorf , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Medical BSD (was Re: MUMPS Programmer Resume (27 years experience)) Message-ID: <20001016023146.A2783@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Reply-To: chat@freebsd.org References: <46513.971471173@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <46513.971471173@winston.osd.bsdi.com>; from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com on Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 02:06:13PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [reply-to set to -chat] On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 02:06:13PM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > In response to your job notice, I have been programming exclusively in the > > MUMPS programming language since 1973. My entire professional life has been > > My. Now all we need to do is get FreeBSD into medical environments and > we'll be all set! :-) From the "Truth is stranger than fiction" dept. http://www.bsdmc.com/ N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 0:33: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from netsrvr.ami.com.au (netsrvr.ami.com.au [203.55.31.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E939037B66C for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 00:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emu.os2.ami.com.au (IDENT:root@c0s25.ami.com.au [203.55.31.90]) by netsrvr.ami.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04466 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:32:49 +0800 Received: from os2.ami.com.au (IDENT:summer@possum.os2.ami.com.au [192.168.1.6]) by emu.os2.ami.com.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA29922; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 18:56:45 +0800 Message-ID: <39E98DE3.2AC6B521@os2.ami.com.au> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 18:58:43 +0800 From: John Summerfield X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-test9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: freeBSD documentation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm up to http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ports-trouble.html. It contains a link to my local filesystem. This, of course, does not work for those reading through the documentation and who are not running freeBSD. It's not the only place the authors assume the reader's running (or at least familiar with) freeBSD. -- Cheers John Summerfield http://www2.ami.com.au/ for OS/2 & linux information. Configuration, networking, combined IBM ftpsites index. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 3:51:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from leonis.nus.edu.sg (leonis.nus.edu.sg [137.132.1.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D209937B66C for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 03:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nus.edu.sg (nusnet-172-7.dynip.nus.edu.sg [137.132.172.7]) by leonis.nus.edu.sg (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9GApFl07592 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:51:16 +0800 (SST) Message-ID: <39EADD66.8B417C57@nus.edu.sg> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:50:14 +0800 From: engp9360 Reply-To: engp9360@nus.edu.sg Organization: NUS X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: problem in creating the installation floppies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sir/Madam: I'm just about to install FreeBSD on my PC. When copying image file to make the boot disk, the file boot.flp is too big for a floppy disk, then how can i make the installation floppies? Thanks for answering such a simple question for an beginner. Yours, Liu Yan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 4:27:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA03737B66C for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 04:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id NAA05791; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:24:43 +0200 (MEST) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13l8ND-0002kP-00; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:24:07 +0200 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:24:07 +0200 From: Szilveszter Adam To: engp9360 Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: problem in creating the installation floppies Message-ID: <20001016132407.L4302@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: engp9360 , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org References: <39EADD66.8B417C57@nus.edu.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <39EADD66.8B417C57@nus.edu.sg>; from engp9360@nus.edu.sg on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 06:50:14PM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 06:50:14PM +0800, engp9360 wrote: > Dear Sir/Madam: > > I'm just about to install FreeBSD on my PC. When copying image file to > make the boot disk, the file boot.flp is too big for a floppy disk, then > how can i make the installation floppies? > > Thanks for answering such a simple question for an beginner. You should use the kern.flp and the mfsroot.flp images instead. You will need two floppies. After copying the images to them, boot from kern.flp first and when it asks for it, insert mfsroot.flp. Wish you good luck with FreeBSD and please, in the future direct such questions to questions@freebsd.org. Thank you! Good luck! [Note to -doc: Shouldn't we change the name of boot.flp? It is more than confusing. But I do not know the El Torrito standard enough to know if it this name is necessary...] -- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szeged University Szeged Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 8:26:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E9437B671 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3F0B4328F; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 07:50:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F7D328E; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 07:50:25 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 07:50:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: engp9360 Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: problem in creating the installation floppies In-Reply-To: <39EADD66.8B417C57@nus.edu.sg> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please ask questions in -questions... You want to use the fdimage program to create the floppies. Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, engp9360 wrote: > Dear Sir/Madam: > > I'm just about to install FreeBSD on my PC. When copying image file to > make the boot disk, the file boot.flp is too big for a floppy disk, then > how can i make the installation floppies? > > Thanks for answering such a simple question for an beginner. > > Yours, > Liu Yan > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 9:37: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (termroom.bsdcon.org [206.55.247.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DBC137B670 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9G2f0P44290; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 03:41:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 03:41:00 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Olexander Kunytsa Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: broken link in FAQ Message-ID: <20001016034100.A43843@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from kunia@wolf.istc.kiev.ua on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 03:32:49AM +0300 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 03:32:49AM +0300, Olexander Kunytsa wrote: > http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/x.html#AEN3333 > > > Now all you need is a splash screen. For that you can surf on over to > the gallery at http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/splash/. > > .. > http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/splash/ -- 404 not found Fixed. Thanks. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 11: 0:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC66C37B673 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA65137 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:00:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010161800.LAA65137@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated. f - feedback The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a patch or a fix has been committed. The PR remains in this state pending a response from the originator. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested. Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2000/07/18] docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags o [2000/07/23] docs/20117 doc *printf manpage doesn't document %n o [2000/09/25] docs/21550 doc Some documents on Softupdates are not yet o [2000/10/02] docs/21708 doc kqueue/kevent man pages isn't specific ab o [2000/10/14] docs/21990 doc exec(3) manpage vs source inconsistency 5 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a [1998/07/31] docs/7456 doc dialog(3) man page outdated o [1999/04/07] docs/10997 doc Problem with query-pr-summary.cgi o [1999/09/25] docs/13950 doc webpage idea o [1999/09/25] docs/13967 doc FreeBSD Related Publications in Korea o [1999/10/06] docs/14158 doc md5(1) manpage should not claim the md5 a o [1999/10/27] docs/14565 doc ioctl() codes for device type `fd' (flopp o [2000/02/20] docs/16843 doc Knob for release/Makefile to prevent dele o [2000/03/18] docs/17470 doc Missing man page: pthread_yield f [2000/03/20] docs/17521 doc Proposed FAQ on assembly programming o [2000/03/25] docs/17598 doc installworld over NFS documentation no lo o [2000/04/03] kern/17774 doc stray irq7 o [2000/05/03] docs/18379 doc Information on SSH hard to find in Handbo o [2000/05/19] docs/18674 doc ntptime.htm and ntptime.8 o [2000/06/05] docs/19010 doc Bad144 obsoletion by 4.0 is undocumented; o [2000/06/23] docs/19481 doc Serial Communications chapter in Handbook o [2000/07/10] docs/19818 doc /usr/share/man/man8/sysinstall.8 missing o [2000/07/17] docs/19981 doc Indonesian translations o [2000/07/17] docs/19995 doc keymap(5) missing from manual in 3.4-RELE o [2000/07/20] docs/20067 doc src/sbin/nologin/nologin.5 is bad place o [2000/07/30] docs/20298 doc man 5 keymap missing in 4.1 (Stable) o [2000/08/02] docs/20369 doc [patch] mountd.8 missing cross-references o [2000/08/04] docs/20400 doc Building a kernel with debugging info sec o [2000/08/06] docs/20447 doc forcing NFS exports to be updated o [2000/08/07] docs/20477 doc Document syslogd's special treatment of k o [2000/08/10] docs/20528 doc sysconf(3) manpage doesn't mention posix. o [2000/08/20] docs/20738 doc correction and modification to clocks(7) o [2000/08/23] docs/20794 doc Request 2 good documents under people.fre o [2000/09/25] docs/21542 doc sigaction(2) man page is misleading o [2000/10/03] docs/21724 doc man page is wrong in src/share/man/man4/m o [2000/10/04] docs/21762 doc mailing list archiving or retrieval broke o [2000/10/05] docs/21767 doc sample sshd_config errors for kerberos o [2000/10/07] docs/21826 doc ARP proxy feature lacks documentation o [2000/10/10] docs/21896 doc Mini-HOWTO for stp driver o [2000/10/13] docs/21981 doc GENERIC needs improved comments for MII N o [2000/10/15] docs/21999 doc [PATCH] Ask for numeric-sorted nm(1) outp 35 problems total. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 11:21:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from post.webmailer.de (natmail2.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA6337B66F; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.wes.mee.com (p3E9D16DA.dip.t-dialin.net [62.157.22.218]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA20846; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:21:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.wes.mee.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9GIKZk01414; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:20:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from frederik@freddym.org) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:20:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Frederik Meerwaldt X-Sender: frederik@server.wes.mee.com To: FreeBSD bugmaster Cc: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Re: Current unassigned doc problem reports In-Reply-To: <200010161800.LAA65137@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I've seen the list with the problem reports, and I thought that I could work on some of them, too (especially manpage-stuff). But I don't know where I should register to the "Docu-Team". About me: I'm using FreeBSD on many computers since 4.0-20000214-CURRENT and I'm now using 5.0-20000904-CURRENT. And I have many experience with it. So if I can help to solve some problem-reports, I would be happy to do so. -- Best Regards, Freddy ===================================================================== Frederik Meerwaldt ICQ: 83045387 Homepage: http://www.freddym.org Bavaria/Germany OpenVMS and Unix Howtos and much more FREEBSD, NETBSD, OPENBSD, TRU64, OPENVMS, ULTRIX, BEOS, LINUX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 11:27:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from server.termroom.bsdcon.org (termroom.bsdcon.org [206.55.247.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4236F37B66D; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from envy.geekhouse.net (root@[192.168.1.55]) by server.termroom.bsdcon.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9GBSfO39506; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:28:41 GMT (envelope-from jim@envy.geekhouse.net) Received: (from jim@localhost) by envy.geekhouse.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id e9GIRKW06124; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:27:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:27:20 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: Frederik Meerwaldt Cc: FreeBSD bugmaster , FreeBSD doc list Subject: Re: Current unassigned doc problem reports Message-ID: <20001016112720.A6086@envy.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@lust.geekhouse.net References: <200010161800.LAA65137@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from frederik@freddym.org on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 08:20:35PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 at 20:20:35 +0200, Frederik Meerwaldt wrote: > Hi all, Hi, > I've seen the list with the problem reports, and I thought that I > could work on some of them, too (especially manpage-stuff). But I > don't know where I should register to the "Docu-Team". You just did :-) What you should do is work on them, then submit patches using send-pr. - jim -- jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 11:31:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807C037B503 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 424AE328F; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 10:54:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F51C328E for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 10:54:40 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 10:54:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell Cc: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Re: Current unassigned doc problem reports In-Reply-To: <200010161800.LAA65137@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Current FreeBSD problem reports > > The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. > These represent problem reports covering all versions including > experimental development code and obsolete releases. Ok... stupid question, how does one look at what these problem actually are? I'm interested in helping but don't know where to start yet... Links? :) Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 11:39:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7778837B503 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24798 invoked by uid 1003); 16 Oct 2000 18:39:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:39:24 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Rick Hamell Cc: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Re: Current unassigned doc problem reports Message-ID: <20001016203924.A21766@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <200010161800.LAA65137@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from hamellr@heorot.1nova.com on Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 10:54:40AM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386 X-URL: http://mithrandr.moria.org/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun 2000-10-15 (10:54), Rick Hamell wrote: > > > Current FreeBSD problem reports > > > > The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. > > These represent problem reports covering all versions including > > experimental development code and obsolete releases. > > Ok... stupid question, how does one look at what these problem > actually are? I'm interested in helping but don't know where to start > yet... Links? :) http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr-summary.cgi?query Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 11:49:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from post.webmailer.de (natmail2.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC00637B66C; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.wes.mee.com (pC19EB375.dip.t-dialin.net [193.158.179.117]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA18987; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:49:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.wes.mee.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9GIl2k03223; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:47:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from frederik@freddym.org) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:47:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Frederik Meerwaldt X-Sender: frederik@server.wes.mee.com To: Jim Mock Cc: FreeBSD bugmaster , FreeBSD doc list Subject: Re: Current unassigned doc problem reports In-Reply-To: <20001016112720.A6086@envy.geekhouse.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi, Hi Jim, > > I've seen the list with the problem reports, and I thought that I > > could work on some of them, too (especially manpage-stuff). But I > > don't know where I should register to the "Docu-Team". > > You just did :-) What you should do is work on them, then submit > patches using send-pr. Oh did I? :-) Can I fetch a totally up-to-date list of PRs anywhere on the net? Can I see the whole issue then? I know the programs in which I get a list of available issues, and then you can open one issue, and then assign it to you. The Problem here is: If I decide to fix the problem, is there a way to say that I do it? That nobody else does the work too, and then we have twice the same result. That would be a waste of time. How is this organized here? -- Best Regards, Freddy ===================================================================== Frederik Meerwaldt ICQ: 83045387 Homepage: http://www.freddym.org Bavaria/Germany OpenVMS and Unix Howtos and much more FREEBSD, NETBSD, OPENBSD, TRU64, OPENVMS, ULTRIX, BEOS, LINUX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 12: 0: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from server.termroom.bsdcon.org (termroom.bsdcon.org [206.55.247.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F71637B502; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from envy.geekhouse.net (root@[192.168.1.55]) by server.termroom.bsdcon.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9GC1SO39668; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:01:28 GMT (envelope-from jim@envy.geekhouse.net) Received: (from jim@localhost) by envy.geekhouse.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id e9GJ02h06390; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:00:02 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: Frederik Meerwaldt Cc: FreeBSD bugmaster , FreeBSD doc list Subject: Re: Current unassigned doc problem reports Message-ID: <20001016120002.A6357@envy.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@lust.geekhouse.net References: <20001016112720.A6086@envy.geekhouse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from frederik@freddym.org on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 08:47:02PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 at 20:47:02 +0200, Frederik Meerwaldt wrote: > > Hi, > > Hi Jim, > > > > I've seen the list with the problem reports, and I thought that I > > > could work on some of them, too (especially manpage-stuff). But I > > > don't know where I should register to the "Docu-Team". > > > > You just did :-) What you should do is work on them, then submit > > patches using send-pr. > > Oh did I? :-) Yep. > Can I fetch a totally up-to-date list of PRs anywhere on the net? http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr-summary.cgi?query > Can I see the whole issue then? I know the programs in which I get a list > of available issues, and then you can open one issue, and then assign it > to you. > > The Problem here is: If I decide to fix the problem, is there a way to say > that I do it? That nobody else does the work too, and then we have twice > the same result. That would be a waste of time. Not really. It seems to work well that way mainly because if someone could assign a PR to themselves (other than committers) and never did anything with it, no one else could claim it without a committer's interaction (i.e., assign the PR to someone else or back to the list). - jim -- jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 13:15:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from virtual.sysadmin-inc.com (lists.sysadmin-inc.com [209.16.228.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB5D37B66C for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 98wkst ([10.10.1.71]) by virtual.sysadmin-inc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA07910 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:19:46 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Peter Brezny" To: Subject: How To's Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:15:52 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c037ad$e24645e0$47010a0a@fire.sysadmininc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been disappointed with the aparent absence of HOW TO documents for freebsd (at least that can be located from the freebsd.org website). bsdtoday has a how too link, and i was surprised to find exactly what i was looking for, through that site, but located at http://people.freebsd.org/~jkb/howto.html This is exactly the document I was looking for. Why don't we have a how too link on the freebsd main page? I feel that this type of usefull information could really help if it were also included in the documentation that comes with freebsd. There's a wealth of information about the specifics of how to write complex ipfw rules, but I've not been able to find a single document that gives you the bare bones of what you need to do to enable ipfw. The closes i found on the distribution documentation is an article about dialup ppp firewalling, and it appears to be out of date to the point that the instructions don't work with freebsd 4.1. Please consider putting together a HOW TO page and putting a link to it on the main freebsd site under documentation. We need it. Peter Brezny SysAdmin Services, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 14:11: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from astart2.astart.com (astart2.astart.com [64.63.58.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A823037B66D for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h4.private (papowell@h4.private [10.0.0.4]) by astart2.astart.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05464 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:10:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from papowell@astart.com) Received: (from papowell@localhost) by h4.private (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01081; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:10:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:10:47 -0700 (PDT) From: papowell@astart.com Message-Id: <200010162110.OAA01081@h4.private> To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: porters-handbook, small comment about file names Cc: v@astart.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In the current copy of the Porters-Handbook on the FreeBSD web site (http://www.freebsd.org/porters-handbook), Section 2.2 - Writing Description Files This section refers to pkg-comment, pkg-descr, pkg-plist In actual fact, they are: pkg/COMMENT, pkg/DESCR, and pkg/PLIST. 2.2. Writing the description files There are three description files that are required for any port, whether they actually package or not. They are pkg-comment, pkg-descr, and pkg-plist, and their pkg- prefix distinguishes them from other files. A better wording might be: There are three description files that are required for any port, whether they actually package or not. These files are in the pkg/ subdirectory and are pkg/COMMENT, pkg/DESCR, and and pkg/PLIST. These are referred to as pkg-comment, pkg-descr, and pkg-plist in this document. However, the pkg-xxx notation is very confusing to the novice. I would recommend or suggest that changing the names where appropriate would be a better idea. Patrick Powell Astart Technologies, papowell@astart.com 9475 Chesapeake Drive, Suite D, Network and System San Diego, CA 92123 Consulting 858-874-6543 FAX 858-279-8424 LPRng - Print Spooler (http://www.astart.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 14:13:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from peitho.fxp.org (peitho.fxp.org [209.26.95.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 846FB37B66C for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by peitho.fxp.org (Postfix, from userid 1501) id 431411360E; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:13:15 -0400 From: Chris Faulhaber To: papowell@astart.com Cc: doc@freebsd.org, v@astart.com Subject: Re: porters-handbook, small comment about file names Message-ID: <20001016171314.A972@peitho.fxp.org> References: <200010162110.OAA01081@h4.private> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200010162110.OAA01081@h4.private>; from papowell@astart.com on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 02:10:47PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 02:10:47PM -0700, papowell@astart.com wrote: > In the current copy of the Porters-Handbook on the FreeBSD > web site (http://www.freebsd.org/porters-handbook), > > Section 2.2 - Writing Description Files > > This section refers to pkg-comment, pkg-descr, pkg-plist > > In actual fact, they are: > > pkg/COMMENT, pkg/DESCR, and pkg/PLIST. > You seem to have missed the big port-tree conversion. pkg-{comment,descr,plist} are correct. -- Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 14:14:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from server.termroom.bsdcon.org (termroom.bsdcon.org [206.55.247.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE1837B502 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from envy.geekhouse.net (root@[192.168.1.55]) by server.termroom.bsdcon.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e9GEEwO39982; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:14:58 GMT (envelope-from jim@envy.geekhouse.net) Received: (from jim@localhost) by envy.geekhouse.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id e9GLDLZ07121; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:13:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:13:20 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: papowell@astart.com Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, v@astart.com Subject: Re: porters-handbook, small comment about file names Message-ID: <20001016141320.A6941@envy.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@lust.geekhouse.net References: <200010162110.OAA01081@h4.private> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200010162110.OAA01081@h4.private>; from papowell@astart.com on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 02:10:47PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 at 14:10:47 -0700, papowell@astart.com wrote: > In the current copy of the Porters-Handbook on the FreeBSD > web site (http://www.freebsd.org/porters-handbook), > > Section 2.2 - Writing Description Files > > This section refers to pkg-comment, pkg-descr, pkg-plist > > In actual fact, they are: > > pkg/COMMENT, pkg/DESCR, and pkg/PLIST. Not anymore :-) This changed a week or two ago. > 2.2. Writing the description files > > There are three description files that are required for any port, > whether they actually package or not. They are pkg-comment, pkg-descr, > and pkg-plist, and their pkg- prefix distinguishes them from other > files. > > A better wording might be: > > There are three description files that are required for any port, > whether they actually package or not. These files are in the > pkg/ subdirectory and are pkg/COMMENT, pkg/DESCR, and > and pkg/PLIST. These are referred to as > pkg-comment, pkg-descr, and pkg-plist in this document. That's because they are pkg-* now. > However, the pkg-xxx notation is very confusing to the novice. > I would recommend or suggest that changing the names where appropriate > would be a better idea. See above. - jim -- jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 14:23: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2C037B66C for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1BC5C328F; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 13:46:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B34328E; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 13:46:25 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 13:46:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: Peter Brezny Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How To's In-Reply-To: <001401c037ad$e24645e0$47010a0a@fire.sysadmininc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sounds like you're voluntreeing to head this up... :) Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Peter Brezny wrote: > I've been disappointed with the aparent absence of HOW TO documents for > freebsd (at least that can be located from the freebsd.org website). > > bsdtoday has a how too link, and i was surprised to find exactly what i was > looking for, through that site, but located at > > http://people.freebsd.org/~jkb/howto.html > > This is exactly the document I was looking for. > > Why don't we have a how too link on the freebsd main page? > > I feel that this type of usefull information could really help if it were > also included in the documentation that comes with freebsd. There's a > wealth of information about the specifics of how to write complex ipfw > rules, but I've not been able to find a single document that gives you the > bare bones of what you need to do to enable ipfw. The closes i found on the > distribution documentation is an article about dialup ppp firewalling, and > it appears to be out of date to the point that the instructions don't work > with freebsd 4.1. > > Please consider putting together a HOW TO page and putting a link to it on > the main freebsd site under documentation. We need it. > > Peter Brezny > SysAdmin Services, Inc. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 14:25:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.nwlink.com (smtp.nwlink.com [209.20.130.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40EA137B66C for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah (jcwells@utah.nwlink.com [209.20.130.41]) by smtp.nwlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA21422; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:38:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jcwells@utah Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: Peter Brezny Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How To's In-Reply-To: <001401c037ad$e24645e0$47010a0a@fire.sysadmininc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Peter Brezny wrote: > Why don't we have a how too link on the freebsd main page? Because we don't have Howtos, not in any official capacity. > I've not been able to find a single document that gives you the > bare bones of what you need to do to enable ipfw. I found it without much trouble. First I clicked "Handbook" on the home page. Then I clicked firewalls. http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/firewalls.html Hmmm, there is one small piece missing on this page to be complete and thorough. It could be that the author felt that starting ipfw at boot was better documented in the "boot" documentation. Ahhh, there it is: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/boot-init.html It tells me to read /etc/defaults/rc.conf. You should be able to take it from there. I feel it would be better for the firewall doc to add a sentence about starting ipfw at boot. > Please consider putting together a HOW TO page and putting a link to it on > the main freebsd site under documentation. We need it. No. We don't. More aptly stated, we don't have documentation named "Howto", therefore we don't have a link. Documents called Howto do exist outside of the documentation project. I personally, would prefer to see those docs rolled into the official documentation. I am sure lots of people are working hard at just that sort of thing. At the root of it all, Howto is just a name for how the Linux world _doesn't_ do documentation. FreeBSD does have documentation. One simply needs to learn what we call it. Thank you, Jason C. Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 14:36:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F70737B674 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 17CD6328F; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:00:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0DDC328E; Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:00:00 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:00:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: Peter Brezny Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How To's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Sounds like you're voluntreeing to head this up... :) I have to agree with you though... there is an awful lot of documentation that is hard to find from the main site. The real question is, do the people who wrote it wish it to be merged in to the handbook...? That is one of the reasons why I've been making my web site... there is no one central place for everyone to get a list of links from. Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 14:43:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5560337B66F for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from foo.osd.bsdi.com (root@foo.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.137]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9GLhW507842; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:43:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by foo.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9GLfji36903; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:41:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200010162110.OAA01081@h4.private> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Organization: BSD, Inc. From: John Baldwin To: papowell@astart.com Subject: RE: porters-handbook, small comment about file names Cc: v@astart.com, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 16-Oct-00 papowell@astart.com wrote: > In the current copy of the Porters-Handbook on the FreeBSD > web site (http://www.freebsd.org/porters-handbook), > > Section 2.2 - Writing Description Files > > This section refers to pkg-comment, pkg-descr, pkg-plist > > In actual fact, they are: > > pkg/COMMENT, pkg/DESCR, and pkg/PLIST. Err, no. The ports tree was just changed, and the files are now pkg-foo rather than pkg/FOO. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.Baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 15:13:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc2.on.home.com (ha1.rdc2.on.home.com [24.9.0.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F385737B66E for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iain ([24.157.5.94]) by mail.rdc2.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001016221355.DGFV17275.mail.rdc2.on.home.com@iain> for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:13:55 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001016181117.00fe9e28@execulink.com> X-Sender: mcdonalds@execulink.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:11:17 -0400 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Craig McDonald Subject: image file Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Sorry to bother you but I am looking for an image file of the a stable freebsd. A friend of mine said that it was available and was a very kuhl os..... he couldnt find the image file:) wondered if u could help thanks craig To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 15:34:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wolf.istc.kiev.ua (wolf.istc.kiev.ua [193.193.221.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8C537B671; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:34:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kunia@localhost) by wolf.istc.kiev.ua ( . . / . . ) with ESMTP id BAA28658; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:32:54 +0300 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:32:54 +0300 (EEST) From: Olexander Kunytsa To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: broken link in FAQ In-Reply-To: <20001016034100.A43843@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 03:32:49AM +0300, Olexander Kunytsa wrote: > > http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/x.html#AEN3333 > > > > > > Now all you need is a splash screen. For that you can surf on over to > > the gallery at http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/splash/. > > > > .. > > http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/splash/ -- 404 not found > > Fixed. Thanks. > but still the link is in FAQ... > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 15:47: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rapidnet.com (rapidnet.com [205.164.216.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A2A37B503 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:47:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (nick@localhost) by rapidnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA91331; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:46:47 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:46:47 -0600 (MDT) From: Nick Rogness To: Rick Hamell Cc: Peter Brezny , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How To's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 15 Oct 2000, Rick Hamell wrote: > > Sounds like you're voluntreeing to head this up... :) > > I have to agree with you though... there is an awful lot of > documentation that is hard to find from the main site. The real question > is, do the people who wrote it wish it to be merged in to the > handbook...? That is one of the reasons why I've been making my web > site... there is no one central place for everyone to get a list of links > from. I have a lot of documentation (HOW-TO's) that I have written up. Well, most of it is actually my notes...but could be converted to HOW-TO's with little effort. Most of it is how to put everything together to work right. This stuff is all geared toward the everyday SYS-ADMIN...not the programmers. If we could put this together on 1 common site, then we could point everyone there. I've talked with several people that TRIED to run FreeBSD and ran into problems when looking for info on HOW-TO do stuff. I will help in anyway possible. What I have now includes: Tunnels/VPN's (with IPSEC) Apache (with Virthosts and SSL) DNS (setup,naming schemes,management,making other apps work right) Firewalling (IPFW,NAT,SRC-ROUTING,DUMMYNET,BRIDGE) NATd (Proxy arp, PUBLIC/PRIVATE aliasing, Making your BSD machine work like a Cisco PIX) Sendmail(Virtuser/aliasing,domain support,cf building with m4,etc) Routing (static & dynamic with gated) Samba/WINS Fun with SSH and Expect. and other generic stuff (automation stuff) Nick Rogness - Drive defensively. Buy a tank. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 16:11:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B183D37B503; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:11:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from foo.osd.bsdi.com (root@foo.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.137]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9GNBU509857; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:11:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@foo.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by foo.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9GN9h137486; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:09:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Organization: BSD, Inc. From: John Baldwin To: Olexander Kunytsa Subject: Re: broken link in FAQ Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, Nik Clayton Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 16-Oct-00 Olexander Kunytsa wrote: > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Nik Clayton wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 03:32:49AM +0300, Olexander Kunytsa wrote: >> > http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/x.html#AEN3333 >> > >> > >> > Now all you need is a splash screen. For that you can surf on over to >> > the gallery at http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/splash/. >> > >> > .. >> > http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/splash/ -- 404 not found >> >> Fixed. Thanks. >> > > but still the link is in FAQ... > It should point to http://www.Baldwin.cx/splash instead. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.Baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 17:13:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from astart2.astart.com (astart2.astart.com [64.63.58.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E3837B66E; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h4.private (papowell@h4.private [10.0.0.4]) by astart2.astart.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07286; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:13:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from papowell@astart.com) Received: (from papowell@localhost) by h4.private (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15503; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:13:28 -0700 (PDT) From: papowell@astart.com Message-Id: <200010170013.RAA15503@h4.private> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Porters Handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have been doing some note prep for a talk, and have been reading the Porters Handbook. I really really suggest that somebody who is more knowledgeable than I am REVIEW and REWRITE the sections on man pages. Currently they do not make even the slightest bit of sense. a) Explain about the file name conventions: pgk-plist is really pkg/PLIST b) PLEASE try to add a section on the pkg/PLIST^H^H^H^H^H pkg-plist format. The 'see pkg_add(1)' does not cut it for the new reader. You might hint right up front that using the following will create the files and allow you to try to run 'make makesum' touch pkg/PLIST pkg/COMMENT pkg/DESCR c) Explain IN DETAIL (whimper...) 1. where the man pages need to be put when you do 'make install' so the poor novice will understand where to have 'make install' put the man pages 2. skip the stuff about 'compressed man pages' and tell them to always use 'NO' unless they are very clever. Sigh... I wish I knew more about the details so I could contribute more than just whinging... Patrick ("WHINGY Whingy Whing... Whine?") Powell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Oct 16 18: 1:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6226837B670 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9H10xA61643; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:01:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Nick Rogness Cc: Rick Hamell , Peter Brezny , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How To's In-Reply-To: Message from Nick Rogness of "Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:46:47 MDT." Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:00:59 -0700 Message-ID: <61639.971744459@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have a lot of documentation (HOW-TO's) that I have written up. > Well, most of it is actually my notes...but could be converted to > HOW-TO's with little effort. Most of it is how to put everything > together to work right. This stuff is all geared toward the I think Nik Clayton should simply pursue you to the ends of the earth, if necessary, and get you to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project so that you can do exactly that and get it all linked into the main site (and all its mirrors). :-) The requisite SGML-fu isn't difficult either since there are a lot of existing docs to use as templates. Nik? Meet Nick! :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 17 3:40: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB8B37B4CF for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id DAA33679; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id 6C9E937B4FE; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20001017103606.6C9E937B4FE@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:36:06 -0700 (PDT) From: opentrax@email.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/22042: spelling error Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 22042 >Category: docs >Synopsis: spelling error >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Oct 17 03:40:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: jesse monroy >Release: 3.4 >Organization: digital marshalls >Environment: FreeBSD biggie.mozie.org 3.4-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE #0: Mon Aug 28 08:29:03 PDT 2000 jessem@biggie.mozie.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/JEN2 i386 >Description: Mis-spelling in XF86Config(4/5) man page. Bottom of page 6, next to last paragraph says "wsouse"; should say "wsmouse". >How-To-Repeat: Dont' use a spell checker. :-) >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 17 3:50: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8736537B657 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id DAA37198; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id 16A4F37B479; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20001017104455.16A4F37B479@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:44:55 -0700 (PDT) From: opentrax@email.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/22043: fstab cache annoyance Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 22043 >Category: docs >Synopsis: fstab cache annoyance >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Oct 17 03:50:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: jesse monroy >Release: 3.4 >Organization: digital marshalls >Environment: FreeBSD biggie.mozie.org 3.4-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE #0: Mon Aug 28 08:29:03 PDT 2000 jessem@biggie.mozie.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/JEN2 i386 >Description: For utilities that rely on fstab (mount, fsck, ...), the lookup in fstab(5) fails until the table is re-read; usually a re-read via reboot. This happens when a new entry is added to fstab(5) and you immediately try to use it. >How-To-Repeat: Boot the system with a new piece of hardware(ie. CROM drive) Add an entry to fstab, then try to reference it in a mount command. example: # mount /cdrom3 >Fix: Workaround: add to fstab and reboot system. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 17 3:50:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E5D637B65E for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id DAA37207; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id CCEED37B4CF; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20001017104916.CCEED37B4CF@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:49:16 -0700 (PDT) From: opentrax@email.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/22044: /stand/sysinstall annoyance Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 22044 >Category: docs >Synopsis: /stand/sysinstall annoyance >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Oct 17 03:50:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: jesse monroy >Release: 3.4 >Organization: digital marshalls >Environment: FreeBSD biggie.mozie.org 3.4-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE #0: Mon Aug 28 08:29:03 PDT 2000 jessem@biggie.mozie.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/JEN2 i386 >Description: When using /stand/sysinstall, if one enters Configure->Packages and selects no packages to install, there is no defined way to exit. The only way to exit is to select "install". This reports a bogus error, but allows an exit to the menu. >How-To-Repeat: follow: "Full Description:" >Fix: Tell it you want to install anyway. It will report a bogus error, but allow you to exit the menu. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 17 5: 5:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from puck.firepipe.net (mcut-b-167.resnet.purdue.edu [128.211.209.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9AD337B4E5; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 05:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by puck.firepipe.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5C442192D; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:05:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:05:53 -0500 From: Will Andrews To: papowell@astart.com Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Porters Handbook Message-ID: <20001017070553.W95891@puck.firepipe.net> Reply-To: Will Andrews References: <200010170013.RAA15503@h4.private> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200010170013.RAA15503@h4.private>; from papowell@astart.com on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 05:13:28PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 05:13:28PM -0700, papowell@astart.com wrote: > a) Explain about the file name conventions: > pgk-plist is really pkg/PLIST pkg/PLIST is the old way. pkg-plist is the new way. pkg-* prefix indicates packaging file. > b) PLEASE try to add a section on the pkg/PLIST^H^H^H^H^H pkg-plist > format. The 'see pkg_add(1)' does not cut it for the new reader. > > You might hint right up front that using the following > will create the files and allow you to try to run 'make makesum' > > touch pkg/PLIST pkg/COMMENT pkg/DESCR There are plenty of examples in the ports tree of pkg-plist files (in fact nearly 4,000 examples :-). And this is the old way you're talking about.. pkg-comment pkg-plist and pkg-descr are the current file names. > c) Explain IN DETAIL (whimper...) > > 1. where the man pages need to be put when you do > 'make install' so the poor novice will understand > where to have 'make install' put the man pages See hier(7). ${PREFIX}/man/manN, where 1>=N>=9, or N = [lm], is the typical location... sometimes other places. > 2. skip the stuff about 'compressed man pages' and > tell them to always use 'NO' unless they are very > clever. > > Sigh... I wish I knew more about the details so I could > contribute more than just whinging... Well, ports is still a work in progress, even after seven years. It's not perfect yet, but it will be if I have anything to say. 8) -- Will Andrews - Physics Computer Network wench To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 17 8: 0:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from impala.nur.ac.rw (impala.nur.ac.rw [216.147.148.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8133B37B4CF for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:59:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nur.ac.rw (jules.nur.local [192.168.2.24]) by impala.nur.ac.rw (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA08415 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:59:25 +0200 (CAT) (envelope-from jngira@nur.ac.rw) Message-ID: <39EC68BF.AC580B6B@nur.ac.rw> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:57:03 +0200 From: Ngirababo Jules Organization: National University of Rwanda X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: membre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bonjour la liste je viens d'installer sur ma mchine FreeBSD sur ma machine et voudrait participer au forum . Mais je suis un novice dans UNIX . Merci. :)) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 17 8:30:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from updraft.jp.freebsd.org (updraft.jp.FreeBSD.ORG [210.157.158.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC8637B4F9 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from castle2.jp.FreeBSD.org (castle2.jp.FreeBSD.org [210.226.20.120]) by updraft.jp.freebsd.org (8.9.3+3.2W/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA27189 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:30:03 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from kuriyama@jp.FreeBSD.org) Received: (from kuriyama@localhost) by castle2.jp.FreeBSD.org (8.11.0+3.3W/8.11.0) id e9HFU1E09405; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:30:01 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from kuriyama) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:30:01 +0900 (JST) From: Jun Kuriyama Message-Id: <200010171530.e9HFU1E09405@castle2.jp.FreeBSD.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: doc/www build failure report Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org o doc building failed with log: ============================================================ *** doc-all started at Tue Oct 17 15:30:12 JST 2000 *** cd /home/kuriyama/ncvs/doc && make ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1 ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/committers-guide ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/dialup-firewall ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/diskless-x ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/fonts ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/formatting-media ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/ipsec-must ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/mh ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/multi-os ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/new-users ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/programming-tools ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/zip-drive ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/books ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/fdp-primer ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook /usr/local/bin/jade -V html-manifest -ioutput.html -ioutput.html.images -c /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/../../../en_US.ISO_8859-1/share/sgml/catalog -c /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/../../../share/sgml/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog -d /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/../../../share/sgml/default.dsl -t sgml /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/book.sgml /usr/local/bin/jade:/pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/staff/chapter.sgml:156:8:E: general entity "a.jon" not defined and no default entity *** Error code 1 Stop in /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook. *** Error code 1 Stop in /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books. *** Error code 1 Stop in /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1. *** Error code 1 Stop in /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc. *** Error code 1 Stop in /home/kuriyama/build. ============================================================ More information about this: http://home.jp.FreeBSD.org/~kuriyama/docbuild/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 17 9:50:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7D437B657 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA68947; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from yar.chem.msu.su (yar.chem.msu.ru [195.208.208.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFFAD37B4D7 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from yar@localhost) by yar.chem.msu.su (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9HGie319771; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:44:40 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from yar) Message-Id: <200010171644.e9HGie319771@yar.chem.msu.su> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:44:40 +0400 (MSD) From: yar@comp.chem.msu.su Reply-To: yar@comp.chem.msu.su To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/22053: mbuf(9) man page suggested Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 22053 >Category: docs >Synopsis: mbuf(9) man page suggested >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Oct 17 09:50:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Yar Tikhiy >Release: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386 >Organization: Moscow State University >Environment: Doesn't matter. 5.0-current still doesn't have the mbuf(9) man page either. >Description: Today I had to hack the FreeBSD networking code a bit, but once more I've forgotten all the mbuf syntax. So I sat down and wrote the man page. >How-To-Repeat: yar@yar:~$whatis mbuf mbuf: nothing appropriate >Fix: http://yar.chem.msu.ru/misc/mbuf.man That is the URL to the man page I've written. Please review it and let it make its way to /usr/src. Thank you. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 17 9:51:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA7F37B4D7 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD536E303D for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id SAA04023; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:46:26 +0200 (MEST) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13lZs5-00023T-00 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:45:49 +0200 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:45:49 +0200 From: Szilveszter Adam To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: doc/www build failure report Message-ID: <20001017184549.A7850@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org References: <200010171530.e9HFU1E09405@castle2.jp.FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200010171530.e9HFU1E09405@castle2.jp.FreeBSD.org>; from kuriyama@jp.FreeBSD.org on Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 12:30:01AM +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 12:30:01AM +0900, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > o doc building failed with log: <...> > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook > /usr/local/bin/jade -V html-manifest -ioutput.html -ioutput.html.images -c /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/../../../en_US.ISO_8859-1/share/sgml/catalog -c /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/../../../share/sgml/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog -d /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/../../../share/sgml/default.dsl -t sgml /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/book.sgml > /usr/local/bin/jade:/pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/staff/chapter.sgml:156:8:E: general entity "a.jon" not defined and no default entity > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc. > *** Error code 1 Oh no... again. If no one beats me to it, I will submit a patch soon (although certainly I cannot commit it.) but my head needs some recovery after a long day. BTW I think that we should have either some easy to use interface for committers to add themselves to the Handbook (like a CGI or what have you) or at least the exact steps that need to be taken should be documented in the committers-guide. Remember that most programming types are not really into docs and especially have never used SGML. Just a thought... -- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szeged University Szeged Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 17 10:23:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from virtual.sysadmin-inc.com (lists.sysadmin-inc.com [209.16.228.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9BB37B4C5 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 98wkst ([10.10.1.71]) by virtual.sysadmin-inc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA05163; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:27:52 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Peter Brezny" To: "'Jason C. Wells'" Cc: Subject: RE: How To's Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:23:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c0385f$05d88b60$47010a0a@fire.sysadmininc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks jason, I respect your views, and all in all, i agree that hte documentation for freebsd is a lot better than that for linux. However, when you're trying to get something done, and you don't necessarily have the time or patience to read 15 pages of ipfw implementation procedures for an advanced firewall, and only need a simple implementation (like the on provided in rc.firewall) it would really be helpful to have some form of short step by step, "here's how you get the thing to run" _before_ you get into the hard core heavy duty "this is how the thing works in technical detail" which is what i feel the documentation for freebsd realy does well. I think this is one of the primary reasons linux has taken off faster than the obviously superior bsd based free os's. and perhaps that's a good thing, fewer intelligent users = fewer intelligent hackers? but that's a naieve approach for sure. short step by step "here's how to get it running" documentation would do me a lot of good. Peter Brezny SysAdmin Services, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Jason C. Wells [mailto:jcwells@nwlink.com] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 5:38 PM To: Peter Brezny Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How To's On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Peter Brezny wrote: > Why don't we have a how too link on the freebsd main page? Because we don't have Howtos, not in any official capacity. > I've not been able to find a single document that gives you the > bare bones of what you need to do to enable ipfw. I found it without much trouble. First I clicked "Handbook" on the home page. Then I clicked firewalls. http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/firewalls.html Hmmm, there is one small piece missing on this page to be complete and thorough. It could be that the author felt that starting ipfw at boot was better documented in the "boot" documentation. Ahhh, there it is: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/boot-init.html It tells me to read /etc/defaults/rc.conf. You should be able to take it from there. I feel it would be better for the firewall doc to add a sentence about starting ipfw at boot. > Please consider putting together a HOW TO page and putting a link to it on > the main freebsd site under documentation. We need it. No. We don't. More aptly stated, we don't have documentation named "Howto", therefore we don't have a link. Documents called Howto do exist outside of the documentation project. I personally, would prefer to see those docs rolled into the official documentation. I am sure lots of people are working hard at just that sort of thing. At the root of it all, Howto is just a name for how the Linux world _doesn't_ do documentation. FreeBSD does have documentation. One simply needs to learn what we call it. Thank you, Jason C. Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 17 10:33:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72F837B4F9 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9HHXBA64330; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:33:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: peter@sysadmin-inc.com Cc: "'Jason C. Wells'" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How To's In-Reply-To: Message from "Peter Brezny" of "Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:23:52 EDT." <000201c0385f$05d88b60$47010a0a@fire.sysadmininc.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:33:11 -0700 Message-ID: <64326.971803991@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > short step by step "here's how to get it running" documentation would do me > a lot of good. The obvious problem is that the documentation for FreeBSD is written just like its code - by volunteers. Most volunteers are also not tremendously motivated to write docs unless it's because they're frustrated enough with the state of some bit of documentation to either improve or write it from scratch. That state of frustration generally doesn't occur but once, when initially grappling with a problem just as you are now. Unfortunately, most people who work through issues like this don't stop to write up their experiences and thus leave a paved road for others to follow, they simply sigh with relief and move on to the next problem. You see the catch-22 in this situation? :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 17 10:36:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from virtual.sysadmin-inc.com (lists.sysadmin-inc.com [209.16.228.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E119737B4F9 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 98wkst ([10.10.1.71]) by virtual.sysadmin-inc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA05680; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:40:08 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Peter Brezny" To: "'Nick Rogness'" Cc: Subject: RE: How To's Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:36:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c03860$bc67a9a0$47010a0a@fire.sysadmininc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nick, It sounds like you have exactly what a lot of us need. I'm not subscribed to the doc mail list so I don't know what others have said unless they cc'd me directly. I'm not a programmer but I do a lot of freebsd admin stuff. and your notes sound like a perfect place to start work on a good how too list. I'd be glad to start converting your notes into HOW-TO's for freebsd. I guess I'll need to put it in sgml format? who do we contact at the documentation project to see if they would like this done in some kind of 'official' capacity? or should we just put up an independent site? I run a small web hosting business so server space is not a problem. Peter Brezny SysAdmin Services, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Nick Rogness [mailto:nick@rapidnet.com] Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 6:47 PM To: Rick Hamell Cc: Peter Brezny; freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How To's On Sun, 15 Oct 2000, Rick Hamell wrote: > > Sounds like you're voluntreeing to head this up... :) > > I have to agree with you though... there is an awful lot of > documentation that is hard to find from the main site. The real question > is, do the people who wrote it wish it to be merged in to the > handbook...? That is one of the reasons why I've been making my web > site... there is no one central place for everyone to get a list of links > from. I have a lot of documentation (HOW-TO's) that I have written up. Well, most of it is actually my notes...but could be converted to HOW-TO's with little effort. Most of it is how to put everything together to work right. This stuff is all geared toward the everyday SYS-ADMIN...not the programmers. If we could put this together on 1 common site, then we could point everyone there. I've talked with several people that TRIED to run FreeBSD and ran into problems when looking for info on HOW-TO do stuff. I will help in anyway possible. What I have now includes: Tunnels/VPN's (with IPSEC) Apache (with Virthosts and SSL) DNS (setup,naming schemes,management,making other apps work right) Firewalling (IPFW,NAT,SRC-ROUTING,DUMMYNET,BRIDGE) NATd (Proxy arp, PUBLIC/PRIVATE aliasing, Making your BSD machine work like a Cisco PIX) Sendmail(Virtuser/aliasing,domain support,cf building with m4,etc) Routing (static & dynamic with gated) Samba/WINS Fun with SSH and Expect. and other generic stuff (automation stuff) Nick Rogness - Drive defensively. Buy a tank. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 17 10:56:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rapidnet.com (rapidnet.com [205.164.216.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CEF237B4C5 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (nick@localhost) by rapidnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA35356; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:56:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:56:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Nick Rogness To: Peter Brezny Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: RE: How To's In-Reply-To: <000801c03860$bc67a9a0$47010a0a@fire.sysadmininc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Peter Brezny wrote: > Nick, > > It sounds like you have exactly what a lot of us need. > Good. I will provide all of my stuff...ASAP. > I'm not subscribed to the doc mail list so I don't know what others have > said unless they cc'd me directly. > > I'm not a programmer but I do a lot of freebsd admin stuff. and your notes > sound like a perfect place to start work on a good how too list. > > I'd be glad to start converting your notes into HOW-TO's for freebsd. I > guess I'll need to put it in sgml format? I started (last night) outlining a lot of my notes. They are on paper write now. But I will have them converted to text files by the end of this weekend. The problem is not getting the info...I have that...it's organizing it in the right fashion so it makes sense to readers. Unfortunetly, I don't know SGML (but I can learn). I have quite a few drawings to be illustrated as well. IMO, a picture DOES speak a thousand words. > > who do we contact at the documentation project to see if they would like > this done in some kind of 'official' capacity? or should we just put up an > independent site? I'm going to put all of the stuff I have up right away and organize it the way I think it should be done. Nik Clayton (nik@freebsd.org) is the head of the Documentation project. He should be able to provide more guidance on howto proceed from there. Nick Rogness - Drive defensively. Buy a tank. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 17 13:10: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4C337B4FE for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id NAA44824; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA3737B4CF for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9HK0XP17386; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:00:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200010172000.e9HK0XP17386@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:00:33 -0700 (PDT) From: bmah@cisco.com (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@cisco.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/22060: bridge.4 needs updating Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 22060 >Category: docs >Synopsis: bridge.4 needs updating >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Oct 17 13:10:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Bruce A. Mah >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386 >Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. >Environment: 5-CURRENT or 4-STABLE >Description: bridge.4 doesn't document a number of related sysctls, such as bridge_cfg and bridge_refresh. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Don't have one yet. I was doing some research on bridging and I don't have any experience to help write up the docs. If no one has updated the docs by time I get around to it, I'll take the PR. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Oct 17 16:25:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from relay2.inwind.it (relay2.inwind.it [212.141.53.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B3137B4E5 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bartequi.ottodomain.org (62.98.152.91) by relay2.inwind.it (5.1.046) id 39CB0979005FFA44; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:24:34 +0200 From: Salvo Bartolotta Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:25:52 GMT Message-ID: <20001018.255200@bartequi.ottodomain.org> Subject: Re: membre To: Ngirababo Jules Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <39EC68BF.AC580B6B@nur.ac.rw> References: <39EC68BF.AC580B6B@nur.ac.rw> X-Mailer: SuperCalifragilis X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 10/17/00, 3:57:03 PM, Ngirababo Jules wrote=20 regarding membre: > Bonjour la liste > je viens d'installer sur ma mchine FreeBSD sur ma machine et voudrait > participer au forum . > Mais je suis un novice dans UNIX . > Merci. :)) Monsieur, Je suis d=E9sol=E9, mais dans cette liste de diffusion, on parle (surtou= t)=20 anglais. Cependant, vous avez le choix: a) apprendre un peu d'anglais et souscrire a cette liste (ou =E0=20 d'autres), selon les indications donn=E9es ici:=20 http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL; b) visiter le site http://www.freebsd-fr.org et notamment=20 http://www.freebsd-fr.org/mailing-lists.html. Vous trouverez un=20 v=E9ritable site FreeBSD francais (celui-l=E0) aussi bien que des=20 renseignements sur les listes de diffusion francophones (celui-ci). Je vous prie d'agr=E9er, Monsieur, mes salutations les meilleures. Salvo Bartolotta (Italien :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 18 2:42:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pavilion.poplar.com.tw (pavilion.poplar.com.tw [203.69.217.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5811937B4F9 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 02:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arlo (arlo.poplar.com.tw [203.69.217.213]) by pavilion.poplar.com.tw (8.11.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id e9I9cj002396 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:38:47 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from arlo@poplar.com.tw) Message-ID: <00ad01c038e8$1a3198c0$d5d945cb@poplar.com.tw> From: "Arlo" To: Subject: module list document? Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:45:06 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org thx for many powerdul documents help me solve many problem. i'm using FreeBSD 4.1.1-stable now, but i have some questions about /modules. because i don't clearly how to use every modules. somw i know , but still some i don't know how to use it. but i can't find any topic about modules, either handbook or tutorial. have any documents abount every modules function and how could i use it? i am a freebsd fab from Asia, Taiwan..:-) regards. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 18 4: 3:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from burka.carrier.kiev.ua (burka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C366837B479 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netch@localhost by burka.carrier.kiev.ua id OBL13339 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:03:46 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from netch) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:03:46 +0300 From: Valentin Nechayev To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: FAQ: Alpha; tracking down panic IP Message-ID: <20001018140346.I79397@lucky.net> Reply-To: netch@lucky.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i X-42: On Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I. Alpha (FreeBSD/AXP) section in FAQ is too old and says for 3.0-RELEASE snapshot :( II. "Making the most of a kernel panic": is it better to recommend to do nm kernel | sort | less and find the most address which is less than IP in panic message? /netch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 18 6:43:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com (bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com [155.208.254.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8208837B4D7 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpcpbla.bri.hp.com (hpcpbla.bri.hp.com [15.144.112.65]) by bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991A11CEFD; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:43:06 +0200 (METDST) Received: from sse0691.bri.hp.com (sse0691.bri.hp.com [15.144.0.53]) by hpcpbla.bri.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.0) with ESMTP id OAA27768; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:43:04 +0100 (BST) Received: (from steve@localhost) by sse0691.bri.hp.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30817; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:46:54 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from steve) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:46:54 +0100 From: Steve Roome To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: peter@sysadmin-inc.com, "'Jason C. Wells'" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How To's [about to get flamed] Message-ID: <20001018144654.C25899@moose.bri.hp.com> References: <64326.971803991@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <64326.971803991@winston.osd.bsdi.com>; from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com on Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 10:33:11AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 10:33:11AM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > short step by step "here's how to get it running" documentation would do me > > a lot of good. > > The obvious problem is that the documentation for FreeBSD is written > just like its code - by volunteers. Most volunteers are also not > tremendously motivated to write docs unless it's because they're > frustrated enough with the state of some bit of documentation to > either improve or write it from scratch. > > That state of frustration generally doesn't occur but once, when > initially grappling with a problem just as you are now. > Unfortunately, most people who work through issues like this don't > stop to write up their experiences and thus leave a paved road for > others to follow, they simply sigh with relief and move on to the next > problem. You see the catch-22 in this situation? :-) This is long, and not intended to offend anyone. Jordan, I think you see the problem very differently to others! Personally, I've used FreeBSD for a large amount of stuff, and I've set up far more boxes than I can remember. I've even documented quite a bit of the process. There's one of those "Connect your Office" type products on the market that I wrote (I think we started pushing them out before the InterJet made it's name!) - completly using FreeBSD. But after using FreeBSD almost daily since v2.0.5 I've only contributed about one page of (badly written!) documentation to the FAQ. This is because it's so damn difficult to contribute anything for most of us. Maybe not for you, but that's different! But for anyone else, it's a pain. The few people we need to talk to are often not that helpful (although I think this is improving). But sometimes are downright rude and arrogant. Sometimes even assuming that because we are not already commiters or -core then we must be a bunch of thickies, possibly true. But it's not good for the project! The way newbies are sometimes treated has been done to death before I think, but it's still fairly true. As others (and no doubt you) have said before, FreeBSD is *OUR* project, we all *OWN* it. But sadly so many of the people I have worked with on FreeBSD have given up trying to help. The only guy out of the whole BSD crowd I know who has done anything is Nik Clayton. But I hardly know him, more of a friend of a friend. When I look at the Linux HOWTO's I see that they probably have a different attitude. It appears to me that they let almost anyone commit a new doc. Whatever the quality, it goes in. Sounds bad doesn't it! But there's only a limited number of docs to write, no doc for something and people will all go off and learn themselves. Or switch to some other platform. One poorly written document on something though, and I can see queues of people saying how bad it is, and how to change this and that, and then there will be people improving it. Better than nothing. But often, at least IMHO, we seem to have a policy of "if it's not perfect we don't touch it". Things don't always start out that way. Perhaps we need a sort of "call for papers", everyone with any docs on FreeBSD should send them somewhere and we need to do something with them, put them in a contrib docs section. Any format would be fine, because at least we get the docs that way. We can worry about sgml later if it's really needed. Then again, the odd word doc and pdf would probably be a good thing. Mgmt like those sorts of things, even if none of us techies actually have word! At the end of the day, I've done a bit of DNS work in the past, well, I ran 50+ domains off a FreeBSD box, which is enough for me. Until recently I'd not used the new syntax in bind, and when I wanted to learn, I read the Linux HOWTO. [The manpage is better, but harder to get anywhere with at first.] We don't have a bind 8 howto. (because we don't do howto's as someone rather snobbishly stated earlier in this thread!) But I'm sure a lot of folks would improve on one if we did have something of the sort, in the end we'd have better -docs. Steve P.S. Yup, just finding my flameproof hat now. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 18 6:55:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from alloy.misa.ac.ru (ns.misa.ac.ru [193.232.119.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2EE37B479; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dmkarpov.misa.ac.ru (DmKarpov.misa.ac.ru [193.232.119.188]) by alloy.misa.ac.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA03508; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:59:38 GMT (envelope-from Dmitry.Karpov@misa.ac.ru) Message-ID: <39EE4746.4DE3@misa.ac.ru> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:58:46 -0700 From: "Dmitry U. Karpov" Organization: Moscow Steel&Alloys Institute X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, phantom@FreeBSD.org Subject: Russian documentation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear sir. I am russian and I am very little speak english. If you read the bad word - it is my mistake only. At http://www.ru.freebsd.org/ru/tutorials/ (russian-language page) I am read asking about "add document" or "sponsore translate". I want to offer my pages: http://w3.misa.ac.ru/prof and http://w3.misa.ac.ru/UnixFAQ. Also I can manage documents translation via 'english language study department' in my Moscow Steel and alloy Institute. Who is russian people to contact with me? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 18 8:24: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com (bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com [155.208.254.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE8037B479 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpcpbla.bri.hp.com (hpcpbla.bri.hp.com [15.144.112.65]) by bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C621C004; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:24:00 +0200 (METDST) Received: from sse0691.bri.hp.com (sse0691.bri.hp.com [15.144.0.53]) by hpcpbla.bri.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.0) with ESMTP id QAA05468; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:23:58 +0100 (BST) Received: (from steve@localhost) by sse0691.bri.hp.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31340; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:27:50 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from steve) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:27:50 +0100 From: Steve Roome To: Rasmus Kaj Cc: Jordan Hubbard , peter@sysadmin-inc.com, "'Jason C. Wells'" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How To's [about to get flamed] Message-ID: <20001018162750.H25899@moose.bri.hp.com> References: <64326.971803991@winston.osd.bsdi.com> <20001018144654.C25899@moose.bri.hp.com> <844s2adxo1.fsf@frodo.sickla.raditex.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <844s2adxo1.fsf@frodo.sickla.raditex.se>; from kaj@raditex.se on Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 04:35:58PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 04:35:58PM +0200, Rasmus Kaj wrote: > >>>>> "SR" == Steve Roome writes: > > SR> This is long, and not intended to offend anyone. > [ It is also about how FreeBSD might have _good_ docs, but not > enough docs, while Linux have much more docs, even if the quality > varies (just to summarize, no flame intended anywhere) ] > > SR> This is because it's so damn difficult to contribute anything for most > SR> of us. Maybe not for you, but that's different! > > How about this for a suggestion: > > We keep working on the documentation as currently, valuing quality > over quantity. But at the same time, we sound a "call for papers" (to > use your words), and compile a list of _links_ to such documents on > the web. We mention (link to) this list in the handbook, but the list > goes up at the web, not the handbook. I think this is a brilliant idea, but that the docs themselves ought to go to a sort of "scratch" area all on one machine if possible. How about docs.freebsd.org if there's available bandwidth/space and people are okay with it ? We all throw things at it, and people can rewrite and submit new versions and improvements over the web. (I bet there's some really simple software to do this already - I'll have a look if there's no proposers!) All the hardcore doc folks who are willing and able can convert these to sgml (and make improvements at the same time perhaps) and we suddenly have a much large base of folks working on docs and much more material for people to work with putting stuff into the handbook. I agree with you, it has to be easy though! > SR> We don't have a bind 8 howto. (because we don't do howto's as someone > SR> rather snobbishly stated earlier in this thread!) > > In case there was no documentation for bind, that would indeed be a > bogus answer. If you don't find the existing documentation just > because it's not named how-to it is a good answer. Reality seems to be > somewhere in between, I don't find any documentation on bind in the > handbook or on the FreeBSD web page, but I do find /usr/share/doc/bind Yeah, the misc stuff is really outdated though, and although the html docs are very thorough, there doesn't appear to much in the way of "getting it done", just a "the whole deal" type documentation, which is really frustrating when you have a broken system that needs a fix right now! [joke : one shouldn't mess with Unix until one understands it completely - bit of a barrier to learning there! ] > This case seems to be "why should FreeBSD write own documentation for > contrib stuff that has its own docs". A lot of stuff on HP-UX has it's own docs (I'm not saying anything about quality!), especially the taken from BSD stuff. Even meagre amount of contrib stuff, it makes the users/admins feel happier that they have an HP-UX system, rather than a generic kernel with some downloaded apps stuck on it! Not that I'm saying that's what HP-UX is of course, nor FreeBSD, nor Linux - although linux is just that! But strangely Linux is seen by many as an "OS" (not just a kernel) and I think it's because people treat it as one entity, docs as well. Steve P.S. sorry for rambling again. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 18 8:30: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51AB37B4E5 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA61896; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id DC0E737B4C5; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:26:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20001018152615.DC0E737B4C5@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:26:15 -0700 (PDT) From: bigotfo@bigfoot.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/22088: ppp filter documentation errors Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 22088 >Category: docs >Synopsis: ppp filter documentation errors >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Oct 18 08:30:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: John Murphy >Release: 4.1 >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD wall.my.domain 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #4: Tue Oct 17 15:45:55 BST 2000 root@wall.my.domain:/usr/src/sys/compile/WALL i386 >Description: Section 6.2 'Playing with PPP filters' of the pedantic ppp primer at: http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/ppp/x879.html refers to filter syntax as afilter, dfilter, ifilter etc. whereas they actually need to be filter alive, filter dial etc. ----------------------Also--------------------------------------------- /usr/share/examples/ppp/ppp.conf.sample Shows example filter lines of the form: set filter alive 0 deny udp src eq 520 # routed set filter alive 1 deny udp dst eq 520 # routed set filter alive 2 deny udp src eq 513 # rwhod set filter alive 3 deny udp src eq 525 # timed All of these lines fail with syntax errors like: Warning: ParseUdpOrTcp: bad src/dst port syntax: Apparently because of the remarks! >How-To-Repeat: Use 'set filter' lines in ppp.conf with trailing remarks. >Fix: Remove the remarks, or suggest in /usr/share/examples/ppp/ppp.conf.sample that trailing remarks should not be left on filter lines in a working ppp.conf. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 18 10: 5:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (termroom.bsdcon.org [206.55.247.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F5237B4C5 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9I5xYq09532; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:59:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:59:34 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: Peter Brezny , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How To's Message-ID: <20001018065934.B9427@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <001401c037ad$e24645e0$47010a0a@fire.sysadmininc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jcwells@nwlink.com on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 02:38:22PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 02:38:22PM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: > On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Peter Brezny wrote: > > > Why don't we have a how too link on the freebsd main page? > > Because we don't have Howtos, not in any official capacity. Yes and no. We have articles, but that's purely a technical distinction based on the root element in the document. There's nothing to stop someone writing an article in the HOWTO style. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 18 10: 6:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (termroom.bsdcon.org [206.55.247.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD9337B678; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9HGUR914271; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:30:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:30:27 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Olexander Kunytsa Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: broken link in FAQ Message-ID: <20001017173026.A14082@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20001016034100.A43843@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from kunia@wolf.istc.kiev.ua on Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 01:32:54AM +0300 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 01:32:54AM +0300, Olexander Kunytsa wrote: > On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 03:32:49AM +0300, Olexander Kunytsa wrote: > > > http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/x.html#AEN3333 > > > > > > > > > Now all you need is a splash screen. For that you can surf on over to > > > the gallery at http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/splash/. > > > > > > .. > > > http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/splash/ -- 404 not found > > > > Fixed. Thanks. > > but still the link is in FAQ... > D'oh. My commit failed, but I didn't notice. I've just done it again, and it's definitely worked. The web site should update in about 12 hours or so. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 18 10: 7:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (termroom.bsdcon.org [206.55.247.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1408637B4C5 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9I5vUW09520; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:57:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:57:30 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Peter Brezny Cc: "'Nick Rogness'" , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How To's Message-ID: <20001018065730.A9427@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <000801c03860$bc67a9a0$47010a0a@fire.sysadmininc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000801c03860$bc67a9a0$47010a0a@fire.sysadmininc.com>; from peter@sysadmin-inc.com on Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 01:36:08PM -0400 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 01:36:08PM -0400, Peter Brezny wrote: > I'd be glad to start converting your notes into HOW-TO's for freebsd. I > guess I'll need to put it in sgml format? Pretty much. The docproj primer at http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/docproj-primer/ goes in to exhaustive detail. Also, just take a look at the existing documentation under doc/en*/articles. > who do we contact at the documentation project to see if they would like > this done in some kind of 'official' capacity? or should we just put up an > independent site? Please, by all means submit; a) New articles, following the examples under doc/en*/articles/ and b) Amendments to the FAQ and Handbook, either as diffs if it's alterations to existing copy, or additions if you're adding new text. We like both kinds of changes. See http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ for details about submitting changes and additions using the PR system, which lets these things be tracked. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 18 10: 9: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (termroom.bsdcon.org [206.55.247.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F9237B4D7 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9I62WZ09546; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:02:32 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:02:32 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: Nick Rogness , Rick Hamell , Peter Brezny , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How To's Message-ID: <20001018070232.C9427@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <61639.971744459@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <61639.971744459@winston.osd.bsdi.com>; from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com on Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 06:00:59PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 06:00:59PM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > I have a lot of documentation (HOW-TO's) that I have written up. > > Well, most of it is actually my notes...but could be converted to > > HOW-TO's with little effort. Most of it is how to put everything > > together to work right. This stuff is all geared toward the > > I think Nik Clayton should simply pursue you to the ends of the earth, > if necessary, and get you to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project so > that you can do exactly that and get it all linked into the main site > (and all its mirrors). :-) Er, what he said. :-) I've posted the URLs to our meta documentation explaining how to write documentation elsewhere in this thread. Let me know if that's sufficient, and if there's anything else that you guys need to get started. Standard rules apply -- show sufficient motivation, and I'll have you sorted out with a commit bit so fast your feet won't hit the floor :-) N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 18 10:31: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from virtual.sysadmin-inc.com (lists.sysadmin-inc.com [209.16.228.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6798537B4CF for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:31:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 98wkst ([10.10.1.71]) by virtual.sysadmin-inc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA16419; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:28:54 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Peter Brezny" To: "'Steve Roome'" Cc: Subject: RE: How To's [about to get flamed] Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:24:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c03928$50a2de60$47010a0a@fire.sysadmininc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <20001018144654.C25899@moose.bri.hp.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here Here! If you need a fire hose later, I've got your back. Peter Brezny SysAdmin Services, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Roome [mailto:steve@sse0691.bri.hp.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:47 AM To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: peter@sysadmin-inc.com; 'Jason C. Wells'; freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How To's [about to get flamed] On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 10:33:11AM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > short step by step "here's how to get it running" documentation would do me > > a lot of good. > > The obvious problem is that the documentation for FreeBSD is written > just like its code - by volunteers. Most volunteers are also not > tremendously motivated to write docs unless it's because they're > frustrated enough with the state of some bit of documentation to > either improve or write it from scratch. > > That state of frustration generally doesn't occur but once, when > initially grappling with a problem just as you are now. > Unfortunately, most people who work through issues like this don't > stop to write up their experiences and thus leave a paved road for > others to follow, they simply sigh with relief and move on to the next > problem. You see the catch-22 in this situation? :-) This is long, and not intended to offend anyone. Jordan, I think you see the problem very differently to others! Personally, I've used FreeBSD for a large amount of stuff, and I've set up far more boxes than I can remember. I've even documented quite a bit of the process. There's one of those "Connect your Office" type products on the market that I wrote (I think we started pushing them out before the InterJet made it's name!) - completly using FreeBSD. But after using FreeBSD almost daily since v2.0.5 I've only contributed about one page of (badly written!) documentation to the FAQ. This is because it's so damn difficult to contribute anything for most of us. Maybe not for you, but that's different! But for anyone else, it's a pain. The few people we need to talk to are often not that helpful (although I think this is improving). But sometimes are downright rude and arrogant. Sometimes even assuming that because we are not already commiters or -core then we must be a bunch of thickies, possibly true. But it's not good for the project! The way newbies are sometimes treated has been done to death before I think, but it's still fairly true. As others (and no doubt you) have said before, FreeBSD is *OUR* project, we all *OWN* it. But sadly so many of the people I have worked with on FreeBSD have given up trying to help. The only guy out of the whole BSD crowd I know who has done anything is Nik Clayton. But I hardly know him, more of a friend of a friend. When I look at the Linux HOWTO's I see that they probably have a different attitude. It appears to me that they let almost anyone commit a new doc. Whatever the quality, it goes in. Sounds bad doesn't it! But there's only a limited number of docs to write, no doc for something and people will all go off and learn themselves. Or switch to some other platform. One poorly written document on something though, and I can see queues of people saying how bad it is, and how to change this and that, and then there will be people improving it. Better than nothing. But often, at least IMHO, we seem to have a policy of "if it's not perfect we don't touch it". Things don't always start out that way. Perhaps we need a sort of "call for papers", everyone with any docs on FreeBSD should send them somewhere and we need to do something with them, put them in a contrib docs section. Any format would be fine, because at least we get the docs that way. We can worry about sgml later if it's really needed. Then again, the odd word doc and pdf would probably be a good thing. Mgmt like those sorts of things, even if none of us techies actually have word! At the end of the day, I've done a bit of DNS work in the past, well, I ran 50+ domains off a FreeBSD box, which is enough for me. Until recently I'd not used the new syntax in bind, and when I wanted to learn, I read the Linux HOWTO. [The manpage is better, but harder to get anywhere with at first.] We don't have a bind 8 howto. (because we don't do howto's as someone rather snobbishly stated earlier in this thread!) But I'm sure a lot of folks would improve on one if we did have something of the sort, in the end we'd have better -docs. Steve P.S. Yup, just finding my flameproof hat now. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 18 10:43:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from virtual.sysadmin-inc.com (lists.sysadmin-inc.com [209.16.228.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6FAF37B4E5; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 98wkst ([10.10.1.71]) by virtual.sysadmin-inc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA16960; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:47:30 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Peter Brezny" To: "'Nik Clayton'" Cc: Subject: RE: How To's Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:43:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c0392a$ea66f700$47010a0a@fire.sysadmininc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <20001018070232.C9427@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok Nik, Thanks for the info. I do think, however, that after all the buzz in the doc mailing list, that it may be very important to create a new subcategory of documentation. I don't think it's a good idea to mix the current style of thorough hard core indepth documentation we have with the how to 'step by step' style. Steve Roome recently added some valuable comments. Freebsd needs a category of documentation that is geared towards the 'oh crap it's broken how do i get it started again' situation, which currently seems to be non existent. a new area, possibly just on the web like has been suggested. even call it freebsd step by step or something else if we want to keep away from the mindset of the linux how to or as steve mentioned, have an area where anyone can contrubute anything and then perhaps a more 'official area' where the contributions have been reviewed and made sure to be correct, the bottom line is we need some kind of step by step documentation, and i think to be true to the current documentation project, it would be bad to mix it in and water down the current hard core documentation that the super users are accustomed to. there's my two cents. I'll let you know when we've got some articles to contribute. but do consider opening up a new category of documentation. Peter Brezny SysAdmin Services, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Nik Clayton [mailto:nik@freebsd.org] Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 2:03 AM To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: Nick Rogness; Rick Hamell; Peter Brezny; freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How To's On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 06:00:59PM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > I have a lot of documentation (HOW-TO's) that I have written up. > > Well, most of it is actually my notes...but could be converted to > > HOW-TO's with little effort. Most of it is how to put everything > > together to work right. This stuff is all geared toward the > > I think Nik Clayton should simply pursue you to the ends of the earth, > if necessary, and get you to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project so > that you can do exactly that and get it all linked into the main site > (and all its mirrors). :-) Er, what he said. :-) I've posted the URLs to our meta documentation explaining how to write documentation elsewhere in this thread. Let me know if that's sufficient, and if there's anything else that you guys need to get started. Standard rules apply -- show sufficient motivation, and I'll have you sorted out with a commit bit so fast your feet won't hit the floor :-) N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 18 11:32:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (termroom.bsdcon.org [206.55.247.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CE9B37B4FE; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9IITRB01787; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:29:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:29:27 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Peter Brezny Cc: "'Nik Clayton'" , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How To's Message-ID: <20001018192927.A1765@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20001018070232.C9427@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <000801c0392a$ea66f700$47010a0a@fire.sysadmininc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000801c0392a$ea66f700$47010a0a@fire.sysadmininc.com>; from peter@sysadmin-inc.com on Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 01:43:23PM -0400 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 01:43:23PM -0400, Peter Brezny wrote: > I do think, however, that after all the buzz in the doc mailing list, that > it may be very important to create a new subcategory of documentation. The only subcategories we have are books and articles, and the distinction is basically "Does it have more than one chapter?" Most HOWTOs would be articles with lots of subsections. However, some of the Linux ones I've seen would break nicely into multiple chapters instead. That's really the only categorisation I want to do in terms of the physical organisation. *However*, there is nothing to prevent us adding a CATEGORIES variable to the Makefiles for each document, allowing us to classify them further, and supporting this classification on the web site. All it really needs is for someone to write the infrastructure bits (hint). Given enough time, I will do this, it's a commodity in short supply. Send patches. > or as steve mentioned, have an area where anyone can contrubute anything and > then perhaps a more 'official area' where the contributions have been > reviewed and made sure to be correct, the bottom line is we need some kind > of step by step documentation, and i think to be true to the current > documentation project, it would be bad to mix it in and water down the > current hard core documentation that the super users are accustomed to. This is all presentational. At the bottom level, all the documentation, even the "Well, it's only half written, and I might not get time to finish it" stuff, belongs on the CVS tree in the doc/ subdir. If people write documentation, it will get committed. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 18 11:56: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4435C37B4D7 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e9IInhA68768; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:49:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Steve Roome Cc: peter@sysadmin-inc.com, "'Jason C. Wells'" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How To's [about to get flamed] In-Reply-To: Message from Steve Roome of "Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:46:54 BST." <20001018144654.C25899@moose.bri.hp.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:49:43 -0700 Message-ID: <68764.971894983@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > [ .. intro snipped .. ] > > But after using FreeBSD almost daily since v2.0.5 I've only > contributed about one page of (badly written!) documentation to the > FAQ. > > This is because it's so damn difficult to contribute anything for most > of us. Maybe not for you, but that's different! I certainly won't disagree that some people in the FreeBSD project can be difficult to deal with and are guilty of all the things that you say, but it doesn't change the fact that they and a number of other barriers are simple facts of life in the FreeBSD project. Only aggressive, retroactive genetic engineering or major changes in project infrastructure will change that. For those more focused on what we can accomplish here and now, however, we have to accept certain operating conditions and work around them: 1. Some people will be annoying. These people need to have less importance in your mind than accomplishing the desired task or they'll defeat you every time. 2. Joining committers is a "heavy-weight" task and not as simple as having someone put your HOWTO.txt document up on an FTP site or posting it to USENET in hopes that someone else will pick it up and incorporate it. The upside to that additional overhead is that there's one canonical place to look for documentation (such is not true for Linux) and it's provided already marked-up and ready for conversion to multiple other formats. I think Mr. Roome has simply given up to easily by focusing largely on the short term pain rather than the long term goal of documentation in this project and he's hardly the first to do so. To be certain, lowering short-term pain of any kind is always a goal of this project but the actual work is also always done by those willing to deal with whatever levels of it may be present at any given time. Writing documentation is task for which a high tolerence to pain is always a necessary attribute anyway. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 18 18:16:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net (smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net [209.208.25.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30A837B4F9 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moscow.atlantic.net (moscow.atlantic.net [209.208.0.26]) by smtp-2u-1.atlantic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28633; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:15:47 -0400 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by moscow.atlantic.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA00566; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:15:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:15:46 -0400 From: bobj@atlantic.net Message-Id: <200010190115.VAA00566@moscow.atlantic.net> X-Authentication-Warning: moscow.atlantic.net: nobody set sender to bobj@atlantic.net using -f To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: bobj@atlantic.net Cc: peter@sysadmin-inc.com References: <001401c037ad$e24645e0$47010a0a@fire.sysadmininc.com> In-Reply-To: <001401c037ad$e24645e0$47010a0a@fire.sysadmininc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: IMP/PHP3 Imap webMail Program 2.0.6 X-Originating-IP: 128.227.235.15 Subject: Re: How To's Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoting Peter Brezny : > I've been disappointed with the aparent absence of HOW TO documents for > freebsd (at least that can be located from the freebsd.org website). > > bsdtoday has a how too link, and i was surprised to find exactly what i was > looking for, through that site, but located at > > http://people.freebsd.org/~jkb/howto.html > > This is exactly the document I was looking for. > > Why don't we have a how too link on the freebsd main page? > There is a Tutorial link on the main FreeBSD page, but there is such a small handful of stuff on the page that your complaint is still entirely valid. There seem to be a LOT of useful web pages on various FreeBSD.org servers that would be a wonderful resource if people only knew about them. For instance, there is a mail archive that is actually useful, but I forget its URL. A "miscellaneous documentation" section of the main FreeBSD site could have pointers to a lot of these unpolished, but extremely useful, documents and web pages. I think it would be very helpful. Obviously, the people who create those pages would have to notify the web page maintainer(s) about them, but that should be easier than having to post the same URL to the -questions or -stable list every other week. > I feel that this type of usefull information could really help if it were > also included in the documentation that comes with freebsd. There's a > wealth of information about the specifics of how to write complex ipfw > rules, but I've not been able to find a single document that gives you the > bare bones of what you need to do to enable ipfw. The closes i found on > the > distribution documentation is an article about dialup ppp firewalling, and > it appears to be out of date to the point that the instructions don't work > with freebsd 4.1. > > Please consider putting together a HOW TO page and putting a link to it on > the main freebsd site under documentation. We need it. Another link that would be useful is to www.freebsddiary.org. It has a lot of the sort of informal how-to stuff that does a great job of supplementing the formal docs at FreeBSD.org. Rather than try to duplicate the effort that went into that site, provide a prominent link to it (perhaps on the tutorials page) so that people can still got to FreeBSD.org as their first resource for docs. They may end up at FreeBSDdiary, or BSDtoday, but they will know they can get there by starting at FreeBSD.org. Another way of saying what I mean is that in addition to providing links to alternate documentation sites on the "more..." (docs.html) page, they should also be prominently featured on pages where their content would be appropriate if it were integrated into the FreeBSD pages. That way a person looking for, say, a tutorial on the tutorials page would find at the end of the page a link that says something like "More FreeBSD tutorials are available at the FreeBSD Diary, and at FreeBSD HowTo's for the Lazy and Hopeless", or something like that. I think the bottom line is that unpolished documentation is better than no documentation at all, and rather than let pride lead us to try to cram it all into the FreeBSD site, we should try to make better use of the other resources that already exist by making it easy for someone who is looking for FreeBSD information on the main site to find information that happens to be on other sites. That would allow us to still provide "one stop shopping", but do it by making efficient use of the other resources. I'm not claiming that I know exactly how to best accomplish this, but I think that more liberal use of links to other web sites would be a good start. > > Peter Brezny > SysAdmin Services, Inc. > - Bob Johnson ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through Atlantic.Net Webmail: http://webmail.atlantic.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Oct 18 20:13:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.nwlink.com (smtp.nwlink.com [209.20.130.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A9D037B4F9; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah (jcwells@utah.nwlink.com [209.20.130.41]) by smtp.nwlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA11674; Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:27:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jcwells@utah To: Peter Brezny Cc: "'Nik Clayton'" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: How To's In-Reply-To: <000801c0392a$ea66f700$47010a0a@fire.sysadmininc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Peter Brezny wrote: > I do think, however, that after all the buzz in the doc mailing list, that > it may be very important to create a new subcategory of documentation. What about my anti-buzz? I like the "Handbook, Tutorials, and FAQ" documents. I even forgot about the papers in /usr/share/doc. If people want to add Howto docs, let them be placed under Tutorials. I don't think a new category needs to be created. I think what we have makes a fine superset for anything than people can dream up. This discussion is mostly about naming semantics. There is no need to add another naming semantic to a new category of documents where a perfectly good category already exists. > Steve Roome recently added some valuable comments. Freebsd needs a category > of documentation that is geared towards the 'oh crap it's broken how do i > get it started again' situation, which currently seems to be non existent. A category such as this goes way beyond FreeBSD and stretches deeply into a study of general guru-dom. > even call it freebsd step by step Or how about call it "Tuorials" and keep it within the current framework. The current framework is great. I love it. Don't change it unless some seriously differentiating positive value is added. Thank you, Jason C. Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Oct 19 0:56:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from www.mvsk.ac.th (www.mvsk.ac.th [203.150.186.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D7C37B4C5 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 00:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by www.mvsk.ac.th (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA02013; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:56:31 +0700 Message-Id: <200010190756.OAA02013@www.mvsk.ac.th> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:56:30 +0700 From: bpirorm To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: IMHO for Roxen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Question about FreeBSD PPP Server Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Excute me to send question to here. I had read your article "ppp [for Linux users] by a Linux user"that I think it for dial user's computer to ISP. I 'm not sure it's right or wrong. If right I want to know if I'm ISP . How to make or set my FreeBSD box act as ppp server for recieve user connections. (I'm use freebsd 3.3 and connect to internet with leased line) If improve FreeBSD manual I want to propose any idea about one. I'm a BSD newbie I don't know What the manual or some article on the web make for such as I want to make my freebsd box act as ISP for recieve call how to config it. When I read about ppp alias,gateway box or "ppp link to work as gateway box" it like the same purpose but not ppp server. The articles or thos mannual chould be have a short decribe "what he talking made for what purpose". 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Best regards, Gina Fratto Publisher Central Europe Online / EIN Media http://www.einmedia.com To be removed please reply to: remove@einmedia.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Oct 19 4: 0:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ocean.campus.luth.se (ocean.campus.luth.se [130.240.200.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A09D37B686 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 04:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from karpen@localhost) by ocean.campus.luth.se (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9JArw880732; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:53:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from karpen) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:53:58 +0200 From: Mikael Karpberg To: Steve Roome Cc: Rasmus Kaj , Jordan Hubbard , peter@sysadmin-inc.com, "'Jason C. Wells'" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How To's [about to get flamed] Message-ID: <20001019125358.A79733@ocean.campus.luth.se> References: <64326.971803991@winston.osd.bsdi.com> <20001018144654.C25899@moose.bri.hp.com> <844s2adxo1.fsf@frodo.sickla.raditex.se> <20001018162750.H25899@moose.bri.hp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20001018162750.H25899@moose.bri.hp.com>; from steve@sse0691.bri.hp.com on Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 04:27:50PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 04:27:50PM +0100, Steve Roome wrote: > On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 04:35:58PM +0200, Rasmus Kaj wrote: > > How about this for a suggestion: > > > > We keep working on the documentation as currently, valuing quality > > over quantity. But at the same time, we sound a "call for papers" (to > > use your words), and compile a list of _links_ to such documents on > > the web. We mention (link to) this list in the handbook, but the list > > goes up at the web, not the handbook. > > I think this is a brilliant idea, but that the docs themselves ought > to go to a sort of "scratch" area all on one machine if possible. > > How about docs.freebsd.org if there's available bandwidth/space and > people are okay with it ? Yes, that's an excellent idea, and should provide a good basis for FAQ entries, handbook entries, and howtos. And once a document is up there, others can imprive it and resubmit it. Super! > We all throw things at it, and people can rewrite and submit new > versions and improvements over the web. (I bet there's some really > simple software to do this already - I'll have a look if there's no > proposers!) > > All the hardcore doc folks who are willing and able can convert these > to sgml (and make improvements at the same time perhaps) and we > suddenly have a much large base of folks working on docs and much > more material for people to work with putting stuff into the handbook. > > I agree with you, it has to be easy though! It's real easy, actually. Get someone (who need not be a commiter) to set up a machine (unless FreeBSD Inc. can provide one), and take submissions by email to a special address (submit@docs.freebsd.org ?). This person can then do some real quick editing, or conversion to a few supported formats like html/text/sgml. Most submissions are likely to be just text, so that should basically don't need any fixing... word documents can be written as html or text with Word. Then just add the document under the right category on a simple HTML page. We're not going to get THAT many documents, so doing this shouldn't take any more than an hour per day, max. At least after the intital set up, I mean. Getting the DNS entry to point at a computer used for this should not be a problem either. The problem is just finding the guy who has time (and till continue to have time, quite constantly) and energy to do this. Prolly want a team of two people who can agree on how to do it and how to synchronize it. It shouldn't be much work, as I said, but you need to find someone willing and able to do it. It's the same thing as always... as long as it doesn't bother anyone (ie a commiter who is busy with stuff), you're encouraged to do your part. That part may be answering all those annoying questions and sorting/editing/converting documents for an hour every day. "Someone should" is easy to say... but finding that someone is the problem. /Mikael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Oct 19 7: 5:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ark.cris.net (ark.cris.net [212.110.128.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF0837B4CF for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by ark.cris.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id e9JE4kf76737; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:04:46 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:04:46 +0300 From: Alexey Zelkin To: "Dmitry U. Karpov" Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Russian documentation Message-ID: <20001019170446.B12448@ark.cris.net> References: <39EE4746.4DE3@misa.ac.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <39EE4746.4DE3@misa.ac.ru>; from Dmitry.Karpov@misa.ac.ru on Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 05:58:46PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, On Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 05:58:46PM -0700, Dmitry U. Karpov wrote: > Also I can manage documents translation via 'english language > study department' in my Moscow Steel and alloy Institute. Good. But you have to understand that it's payment free process and we all are volonters. > Who is russian people to contact with me? Me, at least :) PS: I will contact in private mail really soon. -- /* Alexey Zelkin && phantom@cris.net */ /* Tavric National University && phantom@FreeBSD.org */ /* Sysadmin/Developer && phantom@sms.umc.com.ua */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Oct 19 9:10: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBCC37B4CF for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA08762; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com (bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com [155.208.254.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F79D37B479 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpcpbla.bri.hp.com (hpcpbla.bri.hp.com [15.144.112.65]) by bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E181D991 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:00:51 +0200 (METDST) Received: from sse0691.bri.hp.com (sse0691.bri.hp.com [15.144.0.53]) by hpcpbla.bri.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.0) with ESMTP id RAA10447 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:00:40 +0100 (BST) Received: (from keithj@localhost) by sse0691.bri.hp.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA35142; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:04:31 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from keithj) Message-Id: <200010191604.RAA35142@sse0691.bri.hp.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:04:31 +0100 (BST) From: keithj@sse0961.bri.hp.com Reply-To: keithj@sse0691.bri.hp.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/22125: inet(4) references igmp(4) which doesn't exist Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 22125 >Category: docs >Synopsis: inet(4) references igmp(4) which doesn't exist >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Oct 19 09:10:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Keith Jones >Release: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386 >Organization: Not speaking for Hewlett-Packard >Environment: any >Description: In the "SEE ALSO" section of the "inet" manual page, the nonexistent manual page igmp(4) is listed. Raised years back in -questions, I forgot to send a pr for it at the time! >How-To-Repeat: % man 4 inet /SEE ALSO >Fix: % cd /usr/share/man/man4 % mv inet.4.gz inet.4.gz.old % gzip -dc inet.4.gz.old | grep -v '.Xr igmp 4' | gzip -9c - > inet.4.gz >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Oct 19 9:10: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC46E37B4E5 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA08771; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com (bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com [155.208.254.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1310F37B4CF for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpcpbla.bri.hp.com (hpcpbla.bri.hp.com [15.144.112.65]) by bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A81B1D169 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:03:57 +0200 (METDST) Received: from sse0691.bri.hp.com (sse0691.bri.hp.com [15.144.0.53]) by hpcpbla.bri.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.0) with ESMTP id RAA10716 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:03:55 +0100 (BST) Received: (from keithj@localhost) by sse0691.bri.hp.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA35281; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:07:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from keithj) Message-Id: <200010191607.RAA35281@sse0691.bri.hp.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:07:49 +0100 (BST) From: keithj@sse0691.bri.hp.com Reply-To: keithj@sse0691.bri.hp.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/22126: inet(4) references igmp(4) which doesn't exist Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 22126 >Category: docs >Synopsis: inet(4) references igmp(4) which doesn't exist >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Oct 19 09:10:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Keith Jones >Release: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386 >Organization: Not speaking for Hewlett-Packard >Environment: any >Description: (Ignore previous PR - email address was set incorrectly.) In the "SEE ALSO" section of the "inet" manual page, the nonexistent manual page igmp(4) is listed. Raised years back in -questions, I forgot to send a pr for it at the time! >How-To-Repeat: % man 4 inet /SEE ALSO >Fix: % cd /usr/share/man/man4 % mv inet.4.gz inet.4.gz.old % gzip -dc inet.4.gz.old | grep -v '.Xr igmp 4' | gzip -9c - > inet.4.gz >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Oct 19 9:20: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5508337B4F9 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA12329; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 09:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200010191620.JAA12329@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: "JONES,KEITH (Non-HP-UnitedKingdom,ex2)" Subject: Re: docs/22126: inet(4) references igmp(4) which doesn't exist Reply-To: "JONES,KEITH (Non-HP-UnitedKingdom,ex2)" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/22126; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "JONES,KEITH (Non-HP-UnitedKingdom,ex2)" To: "'freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org'" , "'keithj@sse0691.bri.hp.com'" Cc: Subject: Re: docs/22126: inet(4) references igmp(4) which doesn't exist Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:18:04 +0200 Please close this bug as it's a duplicate of docs/22125. My bad. -- Keith Jones E-Business Service Introduction, GBIT-E (Bristol) E: keith_jones@non.hp.com T: [+44 117] 312-7602 I don't speak for Hewlett-Packard. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Oct 19 13:35: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6731D37B4C5; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jkh@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id NAA03407; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:35:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 13:35:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200010192035.NAA03407@freefall.freebsd.org> To: keithj@sse0691.bri.hp.com, jkh@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/22126: inet(4) references igmp(4) which doesn't exist Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: inet(4) references igmp(4) which doesn't exist State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jkh State-Changed-When: Thu Oct 19 13:34:39 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Removed at author's request; duplicate of 22125 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=22126 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Oct 19 16:49:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from www.mvsk.ac.th (www.mvsk.ac.th [203.150.186.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40A937B479 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by www.mvsk.ac.th (8.9.3/8.9.1) id GAA02524; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:49:35 +0700 Message-Id: <200010192349.GAA02524@www.mvsk.ac.th> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 06:49:34 +0700 From: bpirorm To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: IMHO for Roxen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Question about FreeBSD PPP Server Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I had read your article "ppp [for Linux users] by a Linux user"that I think it for dial user's computer to ISP. I 'm not sure it's right or wrong. If right I want to know if I'm ISP . How to make or set my FreeBSD box act as ppp server for recieve user connections. (I'm use freebsd 3.3 and connect to internet with leased line) > > If improve FreeBSD manual I want to propose any idea about one. I'm a BSD newbie I don't know What the manual or some article on the > web make for such as I want to make my freebsd box act as ISP for > recieve call how to config it. When I read about ppp alias,gateway box > or "ppp link to work as gateway box" it like the same purpose but not > ppp server. The articles or thos mannual chould be have a short decribe "what he talking made for what purpose". > > > > Thanks. > pirom > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Oct 19 22:30:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 180D337B4D7 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id WAA94589; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from lafontaine.cybercable.fr (lafontaine.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B0C0237B479 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:26:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 190892 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2000 05:26:10 -0000 Received: from r227m167.cybercable.tm.fr (HELO gits.dyndns.org) ([195.132.227.167]) (envelope-sender ) by lafontaine.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 20 Oct 2000 05:26:10 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by gits.dyndns.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e9K5Q9b86599; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:26:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from root) Message-Id: <200010200526.e9K5Q9b86599@gits.dyndns.org> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 07:26:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Cyrille Lefevre Reply-To: clefevre@citeweb.net To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/22140: share/doc/*/contents updated for html output w/ unroff Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 22140 >Category: docs >Synopsis: share/doc/*/contents updated for html output w/ unroff >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Oct 19 22:30:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Cyrille Lefevre >Release: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386 >Organization: ACME >Environment: FreeBSD gits 4.1-STABLE FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE #3: Sat Sep 23 10:20:30 CEST 2000 root@gits:/disk2/4.0-stable/src/sys/compile/CUSTOM i386 >Description: with this patch, all the contents files found in share/doc have urls pointing to what they refer when html output is requested (PRINTERDEVICE=html). I have tried to use the .Hr macro described in unroff-html(1) w/o success even when tmac.hyper in included ! so, I use the .>> macro which works well. if someone find why the .Hr macro doesn't work, let me know. thanks. >How-To-Repeat: lynx share/doc/papers/contents.html and so on. >Fix: Index: papers/contents/contents.ms =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/share/doc/papers/contents/contents.ms,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.4 contents.ms --- papers/contents/contents.ms 1999/08/28 00:18:03 1.4 +++ papers/contents/contents.ms 2000/10/20 04:58:13 @@ -36,130 +36,195 @@ .IP .tl '\fBBerkeley Pascal''px\fP' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> px.html +.\} .QP Berkeley Pascal PX Implementation Notes .br Version 2.0 - +.sp Performance Effects of Disk Subsystem Choices for VAX\(dg Systems Running 4.2BSD UNIX. - +.sp William N. Joy, M. Kirk McKusick. - +.sp Revised January, 1979. - +.sp .IP .tl '\fBDisk Performance''diskperf\fP' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> diskperf.html +.\} .QP Performance Effects of Disk Subsystem Choices for VAX\(dg Systems Running 4.2BSD UNIX. - +.sp Bob Kridle, Marshall Kirk McKusick. - +.sp Revised July 27, 1983. - +.sp .IP .tl '\fBTune the 4.2BSD Kernel''kerntune\fP' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> kerntune.html +.\} .QP Using gprof to Tune the 4.2BSD Kernel. - +.sp Marshall Kirk McKusick. - +.sp Revised May 21, 1984 (?). - +.sp .IP .tl '\fBNew Virtual Memory''newvm\fP' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> newvm.html +.\} .QP A New Virtual Memory Implementation for Berkeley. - +.sp Marshall Kirk McKusick, Michael J. Karels. - +.sp Revised 1986. - +.sp .IP .tl '\fBKernel Malloc''kernmalloc\fP' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> kernmalloc.html +.\} .QP Design of a General Purpose Memory Allocator for the 4.3BSD UNIX Kernel. - +.sp Marshall Kirk McKusick, Michael J. Karels. - +.sp Reprinted from: \fIProceedings of the San Francisco USENIX Conference\fP, pp. 295-303, June 1988. - +.sp .IP .tl '\fBRelease Engineering''relengr\fP' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> releng.html +.\} .QP The Release Engineering of 4.3\s-1BSD\s0. - +.sp Marshall Kirk McKusick, Michael J. Karels, Keith Bostic. - +.sp Revised 1989. - +.sp .IP .tl '\fBBeyond 4.3BSD''beyond4.3\fP' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> beyond43.html +.\} .QP Current Research by The Computer Systems Research Group of Berkeley. - +.sp Marshall Kirk McKusick, Michael J Karels, Keith Sklower, Kevin Fall, Marc Teitelbaum, Keith Bostic. - +.sp Revised February 2, 1989. - +.sp .IP .tl '\fBMemory Based Filesystem''memfs\fP' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> memfs.html +.\} .QP A Pageable Memory Based Filesystem. - +.sp Marshall Kirk McKusick, Michael J. Karels, Keith Bostic. - +.sp Revised 1990. - +.sp .IP .tl '\fBFilesystem Interface''fsinterface\fP' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> fsinterface.html +.\} .QP Toward a Compatible Filesystem Interface. - +.sp Michael J. Karels, Marshall Kirk McKusick. - +.sp Conference of the European Users' Group, September 1986. Last modified April 16, 1991. - +.sp .IP .tl '\fBSystem Performance''sysperf\fP' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> sysperf.html +.\} .QP Measuring and Improving the Performance of Berkeley UNIX. - +.sp Marshall Kirk McKusick, Samuel J. Leffler, Michael J. Karels. - +.sp Revised April 17, 1991. - +.sp .IP .tl '\fBNot Quite NFS''nqnfs\fP' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> nqnfs.html +.\} .QP Not Quite NFS, Soft Cache Consistency for NFS. - +.sp Rick Macklem. - +.sp Reprinted with permission from the "Proceedings of the Winter 1994 Usenix Conference", January 1994, San Francisco. +.sp .IP .tl '\fBMalloc(3)''malloc\fP' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> malloc.html +.\} .QP Malloc(3) in modern Virtual Memory environments. - +.sp Poul-Henning Kamp. - +.sp Revised April 5, 1996. + +.sp +.IP +.tl '\fBJails: Confining the omnipotent root''jail\fP' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> jail.html +.\} +.QP +The jail system call sets up a jail and locks the current process in it. +.sp +Poul-Henning Kamp, Robert N. M. Watson. +.sp +This paper was presented at the 2nd International System Administration +and Networking Conference "SANE 2000" May 22-25, 2000 in Maastricht, +The Netherlands and is published in the proceedings. Index: papers/jail/paper.ms =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/share/doc/papers/jail/paper.ms,v retrieving revision 1.4.2.1 diff -u -r1.4.2.1 paper.ms --- papers/jail/paper.ms 2000/08/20 13:16:44 1.4.2.1 +++ papers/jail/paper.ms 2000/10/20 04:49:00 @@ -11,7 +11,7 @@ .TL Jails: Confining the omnipotent root. .FS -This paper was presented at the 2nd International System Administration and Networking Conference "SANE 2000" May 22-25, 2000 in Maastricht, The Netherlands and is published in the in the proceedings. +This paper was presented at the 2nd International System Administration and Networking Conference "SANE 2000" May 22-25, 2000 in Maastricht, The Netherlands and is published in the proceedings. .FE .AU Poul-Henning Kamp Index: psd/contents/contents.ms =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/share/doc/psd/contents/contents.ms,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 contents.ms --- psd/contents/contents.ms 1997/03/04 20:35:32 1.2 +++ psd/contents/contents.ms 2000/10/20 05:07:23 @@ -35,8 +35,12 @@ .EH 'PSD Contents''' .TL UNIX Programmer's Supplementary Documents (PSD) +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> Title.html +.\} .sp -\s-24.4 Berkeley Software Distribution\s+2 +\s-2 4.4 Berkeley Software Distribution\s+2 .sp \fRJune, 1993\fR .PP @@ -55,19 +59,19 @@ .QP Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson's original paper about UNIX, reprinted from Communications of the ACM. (encumbered) - +.sp .IP .tl 'Unix Implementation''PSD:2' .QP Ken Thompson's description of the implementation of the Version 7 kernel and file system. (encumbered) - +.sp .IP .tl 'The Unix I/O System''PSD:3' .QP Dennis Ritchie's overview of the I/O System of Version 7; still helpful for those writing device drivers. (encumbered) - +.sp .IP .tl 'Unix Programming \- Second Edition ''PSD:4' .QP @@ -76,9 +80,13 @@ Kernighan and Pike, ``The UNIX Programming Environment'', Prentice-Hall, 1984 and especially by the Programmer Reference Manual section 2 (system calls) and 3 (library routines). (encumbered) - +.sp .IP .tl 'Berkeley Software Architecture Manual (4.4 Edition)''PSD:5' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 05.sysman/paper.html +.\} .QP A concise and terse description of the system call interface provided in Berkeley Unix, as revised for 4.4BSD. @@ -93,20 +101,20 @@ Should be supplemented by ``The C Programming Language,'' B.W. Kernighan and D.M. Ritchie, Prentice-Hall, 1978, that contains a tutorial introduction and many examples. (encumbered) - +.sp .IP .tl 'Berkeley Pascal User\'s Manual''PSD:7' .QP An implementation of this language popular for learning to program. (Not provided in FreeBSD.) - +.sp .IP .tl 'A Portable Fortran 77 Compiler''PSD:8' .QP A revised version of the document which originally appeared in Volume 2b of the Bell Labs documentation; this version reflects the work done at Berkeley. (encumbered) - +.sp .IP .tl 'Introduction to the f77 I/O Library''PSD:9' .QP @@ -121,53 +129,65 @@ How to debug programs using the source level \fIgdb\fP debugger (or how to debug programs without having to know much about machine language). (A TeXinfo version is provided separately.) - +.sp .IP .tl 'A Tutorial Introduction to ADB''PSD:11' .QP How to debug programs using the assembly-language level \fIadb\fP debugger. (encumbered) - +.sp .IP .tl 'Make \- A Program for Maintaining Computer Programs''PSD:12' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 12.make/paper.html +.\} .QP Indispensable tool for making sure large programs are properly compiled with minimal effort. - +.sp .IP .tl 'An Introduction to the Revision Control System''PSD:13' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 13.rcs/paper.html +.\} .QP RCS is a user-contributed tool for working together with other people without stepping on each other's toes. An alternative to \fIsccs\fR for controlling software changes. - +.sp .IP .tl 'An Introduction to the Source Code Control System''PSD:14' .QP A useful introductory article for those users with installations licensed for SCCS. (encumbered) - +.sp .IP .tl 'YACC: Yet Another Compiler-Compiler''PSD:15' .QP Converts a BNF specification of a language and semantic actions written in C into a compiler for that language. (encumbered) - +.sp .IP .tl 'LEX \- A Lexical Analyzer Generator''PSD:16' .QP Creates a recognizer for a set of regular expressions: each regular expression can be followed by arbitrary C code to be executed upon finding the regular expression. (encumbered) - +.sp .IP .tl 'The M4 Macro Processor''PSD:17' .QP M4 is a macro processor useful in its own right and as a front-end for C, Ratfor, and Cobol. - +.sp .IP .tl 'gprof: a Call Graph Execution Profiler''PSD:18' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 18.gprof/paper.html +.\} .QP A program to show the call graph and execution time of a program. Indispensable aid for improving the running time of almost everything. @@ -184,53 +204,89 @@ General Reference .IP .tl 'An Introductory 4.4BSD Interprocess Communication Tutorial''PSD:20' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 20.ipctut/paper.html +.\} .QP How to write programs that use the Interprocess Communication Facilities of 4.4BSD. - +.sp .IP .tl 'An Advanced 4.4BSD Interprocess Communication Tutorial''PSD:21' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 21.ipc/paper.html +.\} .QP The reference document (with some examples) for the Interprocess Communication Facilities of 4.4BSD. - +.sp .IP .tl 'RPCGEN Programming Guide''PSD:22' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 22.rpcgen/paper.html +.\} .QP Manual for the ONC RPC stub-generating program, provided by Sun Microsystems. - +.sp .IP .tl 'Remote Procedure Call Programming Guide''PSD:23' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 23.rpc/paper.html +.\} .QP A tutorial introduction to programming the ONC RPC system, provided by Sun Microsystems. - +.sp .IP .tl 'External Data Representation: Sun Technical Notes''PSD:24' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 24.xdr/paper.html +.\} .QP Technical details about the design of the XDR component of ONC RPC, provided by Sun Microsystems. - +.sp .IP .tl 'External Data Representation Standard: Protocol Specification''PSD:25' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 25.xdrrfc/paper.html +.\} .QP The Internet RFC specifying ONC XDR, provided by Sun Microsystems. - +.sp .IP .tl 'Remote Procedure Calls: Protocol Specification''PSD:26' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 26.rpcrfc/paper.html +.\} .QP The Internet RFC specifying ONC RPC, RFC 1050, as provided by Sun Microsystems. - +.sp .IP .tl 'Network File System: Version 2 Protocol Specification''PSD:27' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 27.nfsrpc/paper.html +.\} .QP The Internet RFC specifying NFS, as provided by Sun Microsystems. Note that the NFS-compatible filesystem itself, while compliant with this specification, was not provided by Sun. - +.sp .IP .tl 'CVS II: Parallelizing Software Development''PSD:28' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 28.cvs/paper.html +.\} .QP CVS (Concurrent Versions System) is a front end to the RCS revision control system which extends the notion of Index: smm/contents/contents.ms =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/share/doc/smm/contents/contents.ms,v retrieving revision 1.1.10.1 diff -u -r1.1.10.1 contents.ms --- smm/contents/contents.ms 2000/08/27 17:31:41 1.1.10.1 +++ smm/contents/contents.ms 2000/10/20 05:06:45 @@ -36,8 +36,12 @@ .EH 'SMM Contents''' .TL UNIX System Manager's Manual (SMM) +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> Title.html +.\} .sp -\s-24.4 Berkeley Software Distribution\s+2 +\s-2 4.4 Berkeley Software Distribution\s+2 .sp \fRJune, 1993\fR .PP @@ -55,36 +59,60 @@ System Installation and Administration .IP .tl 'Installing and Operating 4.4BSD''SMM:1' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 01.setup/paper.html +.\} .QP The definitive reference document for those occasions when you find you need to start over again. .IP .tl 'Building 4.4BSD Kernels with \fIConfig\fP''SMM:2' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 02.config/paper.html +.\} .QP In-depth discussions of the use and operation of the \fIconfig\fP program, and how to build your very own Unix kernel. .IP .tl 'Fsck \- The UNIX File System Check Program''SMM:3' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 03.fsck/paper.html +.\} .QP A reference document for using the \fIfsck\fP program during times of file system distress. .IP .tl 'Disc Quotas in a UNIX Environment''SMM:4' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 04.quotas/paper.html +.\} .QP A light introduction to the techniques for limiting the use of disc resources. .IP .tl 'A Fast File System for UNIX''SMM:5' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 05.fastfs/paper.html +.\} .QP A description of the 4.4BSD file system organization, design and implementation. .IP .tl 'The 4.4BSD NFS Implementation''SMM:6' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 06.nfs/paper.html +.\} .QP An overview of the design, implementation, and use of NFS on 4.4BSD. @@ -96,24 +124,40 @@ .IP .tl 'Sendmail Installation and Operation Guide''SMM:8' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 08.sendmailop/paper.html +.\} .QP The last word in installing and operating the \fIsendmail\fP program. .ne 3 .IP .tl 'Name Server Operations Guide for BIND''SMM:10' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 10.named/paper.html +.\} .QP Setting up and operating the name to Internet addressing software. If you have a network this will be of interest. .IP .tl 'Timed Installation and Operation Guide''SMM:11' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 11.timedop/paper.html +.\} .QP Describes how to maintain time synchronization between machines in a local network. .IP .tl 'The Berkeley UNIX Time Synchronization Protocol''SMM:12' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 12.timed/paper.html +.\} .QP The protocols and algorithms used by timed, the network time synchronization daemon. @@ -146,6 +190,10 @@ .IP .tl 'Networking Implementation Notes, 4.4BSD Edition''SMM:18' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 18.net/paper.html +.\} .QP A concise description of the system interfaces used within the networking subsystem. Index: usd/contents/contents.ms =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/share/doc/usd/contents/contents.ms,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 contents.ms --- usd/contents/contents.ms 1995/01/11 03:24:26 1.1 +++ usd/contents/contents.ms 2000/10/20 05:08:06 @@ -40,8 +40,12 @@ .EH 'USD Contents''' .TL UNIX User's Supplementary Documents (USD) +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> Title.html +.\} .sp -\s-24.4 Berkeley Software Distribution\s+2 +\s-2 4.4 Berkeley Software Distribution\s+2 .sp \fRJune, 1993\fR .PP @@ -78,6 +82,10 @@ .ND .IP .tl 'An Introduction to the C shell''USD:4' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 04.csh/paper.html +.\} .QP This introduction to .I csh, @@ -101,6 +109,10 @@ .ND .IP .tl 'Mail Reference Manual''USD:7' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 07.mail/paper.html +.\} .QP Complete details on one of the programs for sending and reading your mail. .ND @@ -121,21 +133,37 @@ .ND .IP .tl 'Advanced Editing on Unix''USD:10' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 10.exref/paper.html +.\} .QP The next step. .ND .IP .tl 'An Introduction to Display Editing with Vi''USD:11' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 11.vitut/paper.html +.\} .QP The document to learn to use the \fIvi\fR screen editor. .ND .IP .tl 'Ex Reference Manual (Version 3.7)''USD:12' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 12.vi/paper.html +.\} .QP The final reference for the \fIex\fR editor. .ND .IP .tl 'Vi Reference Manual''USD:13' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 13.viref/paper.html +.\} .QP The definitive reference for the \fInvi\fR editor. .ND @@ -170,18 +198,30 @@ .ND .IP .tl 'A Revised Version of \-ms''USD:18' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 18.msdiffs/paper.html +.\} .QP A brief description of the Berkeley revisions made to the \-ms formatting macros for nroff and troff. .ND .IP .tl 'Writing Papers with \fInroff\fR using \-me''USD:19' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 19.memacros/paper.html +.\} .QP Another popular macro package for .I nroff. .ND .IP .tl '\-me Reference Manual''USD:20' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 20.meref/paper.html +.\} .QP The final word on \-me. .ND @@ -250,12 +290,20 @@ .ND .IP .tl 'A Guide to the Dungeons of Doom''USD:30' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 30.rogue/paper.html +.\} .QP An introduction to the popular game of \fIrogue\fP, a fantasy game which is one of the biggest known users of VAX cycles. .ND .IP .tl 'Star Trek''USD:31' +.if \n(.U \{\ +.br +.>> 31.trek/paper.html +.\} .QP You are the Captain of the Starship Enterprise. Wipe out the Klingons and save the Federation. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Oct 19 23: 0:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0363D37B4D7; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 23:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id XAA04443; Thu, 19 Oct 2000 23:00:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpp@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 23:00:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200010200600.XAA04443@freefall.freebsd.org> To: keithj@sse0691.bri.hp.com, mpp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/22125: inet(4) references igmp(4) which doesn't exist Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: inet(4) references igmp(4) which doesn't exist State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: mpp State-Changed-When: Thu Oct 19 22:59:58 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Fixed in rev 1.13 of inet.4. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=22125 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Oct 20 11:36:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.netcomputing.com (verdi.netcomputing.com [206.117.228.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB89C37B4D7 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaq2 (w078.z206111108.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [206.111.108.78]) by verdi.netcomputing.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 4SW0FXWT; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:25:53 -0700 From: "Andrew Mejia" To: Subject: new to freebsd Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 11:32:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, i attempted to pull down the freebsd 4.1.1 release from: ftp://ftp.ca.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.1.1-RELEASE and was unable to collect it from the ftp site... i'm sure my network connectivity was functioning properly... any ideas on where to get this dist. from a site that you can download it from:?? i also tried through command-line on a PC and solaris machine. thanks for whatever help you can offer!! andrew ***** "things are more like they are now than they ever have been before" -dwight d. eisenhower Andrew Mejia Web Projects OIC 87 North Raymond Ave. Pasadena, California 91103 Tel: 626.229.0931 Fax: 626.229.9897 email: andrew.mejia@oicweb.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Oct 20 12:52: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from 2711.dynacom.net (2711.dynacom.net [206.107.213.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA3A37B4C5 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:51:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from urx.com (dsl1-160.dynacom.net [206.159.132.160]) by 2711.dynacom.net (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03823; Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:51:56 -0700 Message-ID: <39F0A25C.4C8C7A12@urx.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:51:56 -0700 From: Kent Stewart Reply-To: kstewart@urx.com Organization: Dynacom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Mejia Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new to freebsd References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Mejia wrote: > > Hello, > > i attempted to pull down the freebsd 4.1.1 release from: > ftp://ftp.ca.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.1.1-RELEASE > > and was unable to collect it from the ftp site... i'm sure my network > connectivity was functioning properly... any ideas on where to get this > dist. from a site that you can download it from:?? Are you sure you want it this way. I would normally download something like the iso from ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ Then burn it as an image onto a CDROM. Since you are in California, you probably should be using a California mirror. There are other US mirrors at http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/mirrors-ftp.html#MIRRORS-US Questions like this should probably be addressed to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org. Kent > > i also tried through command-line on a PC and solaris machine. > > thanks for whatever help you can offer!! > > andrew > > ***** > "things are more like they are now than they ever have been before" > -dwight d. eisenhower > > Andrew Mejia > Web Projects > > OIC > 87 North Raymond Ave. > Pasadena, California 91103 > > Tel: 626.229.0931 > Fax: 626.229.9897 > > email: andrew.mejia@oicweb.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Oct 21 12:10: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1BB37B4D7 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id MAA42757; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp9.xs4all.nl (smtp9.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA3637B4C5 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:01:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bmach.nederware.nl (nederware.nl [194.109.55.62]) by smtp9.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26540 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:01:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from berend@localhost) by bmach.nederware.nl (8.11.0/8.9.3) id e9LIxAe76771; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:59:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from berend) Message-Id: <200010211859.e9LIxAe76771@bmach.nederware.nl> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 20:59:10 +0200 (CEST) From: berend@nederware.nl Reply-To: berend@pobox.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/22195: smalleiffel port fix Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 22195 >Category: docs >Synopsis: type in file >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Oct 21 12:10:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: User & >Release: FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE i386 >Organization: NederWare >Environment: >Description: The pkg/COMMENT file has a type so the file index.html is listed as index.hmtl. This probably causes the description generated for this port to fail. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: If someone simply could correct the extension, all will be ok. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Oct 21 18:18:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r18.mail.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC14337B4C5 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 18:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DAR514@aol.com by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.31.) id n.4c.bcb6200 (4445) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:18:43 -0400 (EDT) From: DAR514@aol.com Message-ID: <4c.bcb6200.27239a73@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 21:18:43 EDT Subject: (no subject) To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 101 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message