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From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Dec 17 6:36:46 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 17 06:36:44 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from matavnet.hu (mail.matavnet.hu [195.228.240.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1499B37B400 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 06:36:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18986 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2000 15:36:35 +0100 Received: from line-208-128.dial.matav.net (HELO hotmail.com) (145.236.208.128) by mail.matavnet.hu with SMTP; 17 Dec 2000 15:36:35 +0100 Message-ID: <3A3C8518.601D67A1@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 11:39:50 +0100 From: Szilveszter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: econet-info@igc.apc.org, enquiry@alia.org.au, eventoj@esperanto.org, faltam@rulez.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, gayle-fhill@nova.novanet.org, gsomlai@acm.org, pal.hajas@field.fao.org, hfeldman@sorosny.org, irina@osi.silk.org, Subject: 2000 Szilveszter Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Szilveszterezzen velünk a Budai Várban. Kattintson ide a részletekért! www.szilveszter.net
a To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Dec 17 9: 2:23 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 17 09:02:21 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pemaquid.safeport.com (pemaquid.safeport.com [204.156.12.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C5437B400 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:02:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by pemaquid.safeport.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA66759 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 12:02:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: pemaquid.safeport.com: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 12:02:20 -0500 (EST) From: To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: snapshot link Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org on http://www.freebsd.org/releases/snapshots.html the links points to ftp://releng3.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/. Should be releng4. _____ Douglas Denault doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-469-8766 Fax: 301-469-0601 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Dec 17 9:46: 9 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 17 09:46:06 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC74A37B400; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:46:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from demon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBHHk6q17008; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:46:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from demon) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:46:06 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200012171746.eBHHk6q17008@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mavetju@chello.nl, demon@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/23591: typo in ftpd.8 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: typo in ftpd.8 State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: demon State-Changed-When: Sun Dec 17 09:45:38 PST 2000 State-Changed-Why: Fixed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=23591 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Dec 17 10:19:44 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 17 10:19:43 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 839) id 231F937B400; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 10:19:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 10:19:43 -0800 From: Daniel Harris To: doug@safeport.com Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: snapshot link Message-ID: <20001217101943.A83242@hub.freebsd.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from doug@safeport.com on Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 12:02:20PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 12:02:20PM -0500, doug@safeport.com wrote: > on http://www.freebsd.org/releases/snapshots.html the links points to > ftp://releng3.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/. > > Should be releng4. I've committed a fix. Thanks! -- Daniel Harris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Dec 17 13:43:57 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 17 13:43:55 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from viemta06.chello.at (viemta06.chello.at [195.34.133.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814BA37B400 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:43:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from muerte ([212.17.64.12]) by viemta06.chello.at (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 license 9caa03a7df1d31c048ffcc0d31ac5855) with SMTP id <20001217214352.BADA16613.viemta06@muerte> for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 22:43:52 +0100 Message-ID: <000801c0693b$fde7fcc0$0c4011d4@telekabel.at> Reply-To: "Brian" From: "Brian" To: Subject: FileSystem Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:46:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C06944.522F5460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C06944.522F5460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It hasn't been specified which type of filesystem FreeBSD shoudl be = installed onto. I am currently equipped with a Fat32, Linux (primary) = and Linux (swap) partitions on my computer. Is it at all possible to = install FreeBSD onto the Linux partition or would i need to change it to = something else? *keep it real*=20 -brian ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C06944.522F5460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It hasn't been specified which type of = filesystem=20 FreeBSD shoudl be installed onto. I am currently equipped with a Fat32, = Linux=20 (primary) and Linux (swap) partitions on my computer. Is it at all = possible to=20 install FreeBSD onto the Linux partition or would i need to change it to = something else?

*keep it real*

=20 -brian

------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C06944.522F5460-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Dec 17 13:47:20 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 17 13:47:16 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79E4537B400; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:47:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from holly.dyndns.org ([208.191.149.190]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G5Q00GW6F60ND@mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net>; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:46:49 -0600 (CST) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA56989; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:46:07 -0600 (CST envelope-from chris) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:46:06 -0600 From: Chris Costello Subject: Re: FileSystem In-reply-to: <000801c0693b$fde7fcc0$0c4011d4@telekabel.at> To: Brian Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <20001217154606.G54486@holly.calldei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.4i References: <000801c0693b$fde7fcc0$0c4011d4@telekabel.at> Sender: chris@holly.dyndns.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Please wrap your lines at or before 80 columns, thanks. I've fixed it this time.] On Monday, December 18, 2000, Brian wrote: > It hasn't been specified which type of filesystem FreeBSD > shoudl be installed onto. I am currently equipped with a Fat32, > Linux (primary) and Linux (swap) partitions on my computer. Is > it at all possible to install FreeBSD onto the Linux partition > or would i need to change it to something else? This should be posted to -questions (moved there), but FreeBSD uses UFS natively. -- +-------------------+--------------------------+ | Chris Costello | Your fault, core dumped. | | chris@calldei.com | | +-------------------+--------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Dec 18 3: 7:41 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 03:07:36 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F4E537B400; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 03:07:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eBIAFrV03444; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:15:53 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:15:53 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: "Michael C . Wu" Cc: doc@freebsd.org, i18n@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Docbook and CJK languages Message-ID: <20001218101553.B3331@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20001216030604.B46336@peorth.iteration.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001216030604.B46336@peorth.iteration.net>; from keichii@iteration.net on Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 03:06:04AM -0600 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 03:06:04AM -0600, Michael C . Wu wrote: > While working on some freebsd-taiwan docbook, we discovered this > problem with Docbook/SGML not handling 2 byte characters correctly. > Is there any way to fix this? Is there an SGML tag that I can > specify? Or is this a lacking feature of Docbook? Try the attached patch. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=p Index: Makefile.inc =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/zh_TW.Big5/books/Makefile.inc,v retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.3 Makefile.inc --- Makefile.inc 1999/09/06 06:53:43 1.3 +++ Makefile.inc 2000/12/18 10:15:01 @@ -2,4 +2,6 @@ # $FreeBSD: doc/zh_TW.Big5/books/Makefile.inc,v 1.3 1999/09/06 06:53:43 peter Exp $ # +TIDYFLAGS= -raw + DESTDIR?= ${DOCDIR}/zh_TW.Big5/books/${.CURDIR:T} --Dxnq1zWXvFF0Q93v-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Dec 18 4:47:10 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 04:47:08 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1887D37B400 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:47:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA09099; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 07:47:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 07:47:05 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: Jim Mock Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Supported hardware list(s) Message-ID: <20001218074705.A9037@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20001215133609.A23331@envy.geekhouse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20001215133609.A23331@envy.geekhouse.net>; from jim@osd.bsdi.com on Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 01:36:09PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, since nobody else has commented... Yes, please! ==ml On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 01:36:09PM -0800, Jim Mock wrote: > Howdy folks, > > Once again, I've been tasked with getting the handbook up-to-date and > ready to print a 2nd edition. It needs quite a bit of work, most of > which I'll address in another message later. For now, I'd like to get > the hardware list down to *one* place. Right now we have different > lists in 3 places -- the install chapter, the appendix, as well as > HARDWARE.TXT. The last is probably the most likely candidate to be kept > up-to-date, so, I think we should take advantage of it. > > Here's what I propose: > > 1) Nuke the hardware compatibility appendix. It's quite out of date, > and since no one has taken an interest in "claiming" it as their > own, we should get rid of it. > > 2) In the install chapter, do as we do elsewhere -- link to > HARDWARE.TXT on ftp.FreeBSD.org, or to the one on the reader's > system at /usr/src/release/texts/HARDWARE.TXT. Granted, the 2nd > will only work if the reader has source installed, but we could > provide a link to both to make that a non-issue. > > I'm interested in hearing what others think -- I know there are a lot of > folks who'd like to see one hardware list, and I'm one of them :-) > Comments? > > - jim > > -- > jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org > http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Dec 18 8:33:56 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 08:33:42 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from fms317.biglobe.ne.jp (rcpt-expgw.biglobe.ne.jp [210.147.6.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 215B337B400; 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Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:41:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA21154; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:41:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBIHfjt94333; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:41:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200012181741.eBIHfjt94333@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: jim@osd.bsdi.com Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Supported hardware list(s) In-Reply-To: <20001215133609.A23331@envy.geekhouse.net> References: <20001215133609.A23331@envy.geekhouse.net> Comments: In-reply-to Jim Mock message dated "Fri, 15 Dec 2000 13:36:09 -0800." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_754907370P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:41:45 -0800 Sender: bmah@cisco.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_754907370P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Jim Mock wrote: > Once again, I've been tasked with getting the handbook up-to-date and > ready to print a 2nd edition. It needs quite a bit of work, most of > which I'll address in another message later. For now, I'd like to get > the hardware list down to *one* place. Right now we have different > lists in 3 places -- the install chapter, the appendix, as well as > HARDWARE.TXT. The last is probably the most likely candidate to be kept > up-to-date, so, I think we should take advantage of it. Jim-- You asked for it, you got it... First, there are actually six different places where we list hardware: The install chapter in the handbook, the appendix in the handboox, src/ release/texts/HARDWARE.TXT, src/release/texts/i386/RELNOTES.TXT, src/ release/texts/alpha/ RELNOTES.TXT, and src/release/texts/alpha/ HARDWARE.TXT. The "generic" HARDWARE.TXT and the platform-specific RELNOTES.TXT files are probably the two that get updated the most frequently; the alpha-specific HARDWARE.TXT file deals with which alpha hardware platforms we can run on. Note that some of these files are even organized differently (i.e. section headers, etc.). It's ugly, and I'll freely assume my share of the blame for making it so. > Here's what I propose: > > 1) Nuke the hardware compatibility appendix. It's quite out of date, > and since no one has taken an interest in "claiming" it as their > own, we should get rid of it. Well, it's out of date, but at least on first glimpse, it appears to have some useful information that isn't found anywhere else in our documentation. > 2) In the install chapter, do as we do elsewhere -- link to > HARDWARE.TXT on ftp.FreeBSD.org, or to the one on the reader's > system at /usr/src/release/texts/HARDWARE.TXT. Granted, the 2nd > will only work if the reader has source installed, but we could > provide a link to both to make that a non-issue. A possibility... > I'm interested in hearing what others think -- I know there are a lot of > folks who'd like to see one hardware list, and I'm one of them :-) > Comments? I think the end goal is a good one. I was working on this issue from a slightly different angle. I talked with a few people at BSDCon about the subject of fixing up the *.TXT files, specifically, doing them up in DocBook. The goal of this exercise would be to produce a smaller set of files for the release notes (e.g. one file total, not one per platform) and hardware lists which is customized when output is generated to apply to different plaforms. Also, we could do "better looking" release notes in PDF, PS, HTML, TXT, and so forth, possibly with some help from the stylesheet gurus amongst us. I got some weak agreement to this idea, then I went off and did some DocBook coding, and then got bogged down in Real Work (TM). (Note: I'm still in that mode.) I've put a snapshot of my work at: http://people.freebsd.org/~bmah/relnotes.tar.gz (Don't laugh too hard at my markup...I don't know what the heck I'm doing. But thanks to nik for pointing me at a way of doing this using marked sections.) This directory tree lives in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles on my workstation; I don't know enough about the document build process to make it build anywhere else. The idea is that you edit the files in relnotes/common (especially relnotes/common/new.sgml and relnotes/ common/hw.sgml). Then you'd actually do the builds of the release notes in relnotes/i386, relnotes/alpha, or whereever. My goal was to be able to nuke HARDWARE.TXT and throw everything into new.sgml and hw.sgml; these would then generate an architecture-specific RELNOTES.TXT (or relnotes.pdf or relnotes.html or...). I still haven't figured out the ramifications for the release-building process yet; it looks like this makes having release notes dependent on both a doc tree plus the DocBook toolchain. Someone (dougb?) suggested putting a placeholder RELNOTES.TXT in src/ release/texts/${arch} that gets overwritten by the "real" release notes if we actually generate them. Other things I'm stalled on: Lack of time (of course), and experience at doing the SGML markup. Also the myriads of hardware info lists would need to be consolidated. Finally, the doc tree as it stands is not branched (a la CVS), but putting release notes in the doc tree would mandate it. (Putting it in the src tree doesn't automatically solve the problem, because I think there's some dependencies on some files, such as style sheets or entity definitions, that only live in the doc tree.) So...if we got this to work, one thing the handbook *could* do would be just to include some version of this file. But on the other hand, maybe it could just point to the end product of this thing I've been tinkering with. Is this helpful? Comments? Bruce. --==_Exmh_754907370P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE6PkxZ2MoxcVugUsMRAvb2AKCRX+LOnJZQcXfmLNE7MLTtW8DNeQCeI4TX BpWO6qoZKWVSro6Gc/enKwc= =Qqqz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_754907370P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Dec 18 11: 0:42 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 11:00:36 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F3A37B404 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:00:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBIJ0F217091 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:00:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:00:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200012181900.eBIJ0F217091@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated. f - feedback The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a patch or a fix has been committed. The PR remains in this state pending a response from the originator. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested. Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. 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Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a [1998/07/31] docs/7456 doc dialog(3) man page outdated o [1999/04/07] docs/10997 doc Problem with query-pr-summary.cgi o [1999/09/25] docs/13950 doc webpage idea o [1999/09/25] docs/13967 doc FreeBSD Related Publications in Korea o [1999/10/06] docs/14158 doc md5(1) manpage should not claim the md5 a o [1999/10/27] docs/14565 doc ioctl() codes for device type `fd' (flopp o [2000/02/20] docs/16843 doc Knob for release/Makefile to prevent dele f [2000/03/20] docs/17521 doc Proposed FAQ on assembly programming o [2000/03/25] docs/17598 doc installworld over NFS documentation no lo o [2000/04/03] kern/17774 doc stray irq7 o [2000/05/03] docs/18379 doc Information on SSH hard to find in Handbo o [2000/05/19] docs/18674 doc ntptime.htm and ntptime.8 o [2000/06/05] docs/19010 doc Bad144 obsoletion by 4.0 is undocumented; o [2000/06/23] docs/19481 doc Serial Communications chapter in Handbook o [2000/07/10] docs/19818 doc /usr/share/man/man8/sysinstall.8 missing o [2000/07/17] docs/19981 doc Indonesian translations o [2000/08/04] docs/20400 doc Building a kernel with debugging info sec o [2000/08/10] docs/20528 doc sysconf(3) manpage doesn't mention posix. o [2000/08/20] docs/20738 doc correction and modification to clocks(7) o [2000/08/23] docs/20794 doc Request 2 good documents under people.fre o [2000/10/07] docs/21826 doc ARP proxy feature lacks documentation o [2000/10/10] docs/21896 doc Mini-HOWTO for stp driver o [2000/10/26] docs/22333 doc share/doc/smm/07.lpd building moved in 3. o [2000/11/01] docs/22470 doc man 3 msgrcv's BUGS section needs updatin o [2000/11/08] docs/22701 doc lists missing from search options o [2000/11/11] docs/22778 doc Typo's in About.txt-Layout.txt o [2000/11/14] docs/22861 doc newsyslog man page is misleading and inco o [2000/12/01] docs/23230 doc missing index.html links o [2000/12/03] docs/23251 doc exports(5) man page erroneous in 4.2-STAB o [2000/12/04] docs/23292 doc /etc/dumpdates is not documented in secti o [2000/12/06] docs/23324 doc add information to FAQ on how to use whee o [2000/12/06] docs/23342 doc Inaccuracy of the dialup-firewall tutoria o [2000/12/11] docs/23488 doc A manpage for section 7 regarding a Toron o [2000/12/12] docs/23502 doc date(1) doesn't detail kern_time.c secure o [2000/12/14] docs/23559 doc missing manpage for hsearch libc function 35 problems total. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Dec 18 11:14:53 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 11:14:49 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D21037B400; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:14:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eBIJEgY11938; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:14:42 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:14:42 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: jim@osd.bsdi.com, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Supported hardware list(s) Message-ID: <20001218191442.A11618@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20001215133609.A23331@envy.geekhouse.net> <200012181741.eBIHfjt94333@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200012181741.eBIHfjt94333@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@FreeBSD.ORG on Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 09:41:45AM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 09:41:45AM -0800, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > First, there are actually six different places where we list hardware: > The install chapter in the handbook, the appendix in the handboox, src/ > release/texts/HARDWARE.TXT, src/release/texts/i386/RELNOTES.TXT, src/ > release/texts/alpha/ RELNOTES.TXT, and src/release/texts/alpha/ > HARDWARE.TXT. The "generic" HARDWARE.TXT and the platform-specific > RELNOTES.TXT files are probably the two that get updated the most > frequently; the alpha-specific HARDWARE.TXT file deals with which alpha > hardware platforms we can run on. Note that some of these files are > even organized differently (i.e. section headers, etc.). It's ugly, and > I'll freely assume my share of the blame for making it so. > > > Here's what I propose: > > > > 1) Nuke the hardware compatibility appendix. It's quite out of date, > > and since no one has taken an interest in "claiming" it as their > > own, we should get rid of it. > > Well, it's out of date, but at least on first glimpse, it appears to > have some useful information that isn't found anywhere else in our > documentation. Interesting info, but we need to do some copyright cleanup on it. In particular, we need to go back to the original authors for everything that's got a copyright statement, and either get their permission to relicense it, or yank it. [ IMHO -- I don't really want to get in to a licensing discussion, but I do think that the doc/ tree should be under the two clause license. ] > > I'm interested in hearing what others think -- I know there are a lot of > > folks who'd like to see one hardware list, and I'm one of them :-) > > Comments? > > I think the end goal is a good one. I was working on this issue from a > slightly different angle. I talked with a few people at BSDCon about > the subject of fixing up the *.TXT files, specifically, doing them up in > DocBook. The goal of this exercise would be to produce a smaller set of > files for the release notes (e.g. one file total, not one per platform) > and hardware lists which is customized when output is generated to apply > to different plaforms. Also, we could do "better looking" release notes > in PDF, PS, HTML, TXT, and so forth, possibly with some help from the > stylesheet gurus amongst us. Also, we can do this http://www.BSDI.COM/products/internet/hardware/ (web based interactive hardware database). > I got some weak agreement to this idea, then I went off and did some > DocBook coding, and then got bogged down in Real Work (TM). (Note: I'm > still in that mode.) I've put a snapshot of my work at: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~bmah/relnotes.tar.gz Looks like a good start. > I still haven't figured out the ramifications for the release-building > process yet; it looks like this makes having release notes dependent on > both a doc tree plus the DocBook toolchain. True. > Someone (dougb?) suggested > putting a placeholder RELNOTES.TXT in src/ release/texts/${arch} that > gets overwritten by the "real" release notes if we actually generate > them. Also a good idea. > Other things I'm stalled on: Lack of time (of course), and experience > at doing the SGML markup. Also the myriads of hardware info lists would > need to be consolidated. Finally, the doc tree as it stands is not > branched (a la CVS), but putting release notes in the doc tree would > mandate it. (Putting it in the src tree doesn't automatically solve > the problem, because I think there's some dependencies on some files, > such as style sheets or entity definitions, that only live in the doc > tree.) I don't really want to see the doc/ tree branched. However, the osversion* attributes should let us support this, and I have some experimental support for this working right now. I'll send a separate message out for that. Then there's no need to branch. > So...if we got this to work, one thing the handbook *could* do would be > just to include some version of this file. But on the other hand, maybe > it could just point to the end product of this thing I've been tinkering > with. I don't think it matters too much whether or not the Handbook includes it or links to it. As long as it's all available in one place. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. 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To remove your Email from the mailing list please send: "remove me" to offthelist2001@yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Dec 18 15: 4:15 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 15:04:13 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from relay.ultimanet.com (relay.ultimanet.com [205.179.129.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B8D37B400 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:04:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from Cloudfactory.ORG (cloudfactory.org [205.179.129.18]) by relay.ultimanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14493 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:22:52 -0800 Message-Id: <200012182322.PAA14493@relay.ultimanet.com> To: doc@freebsd.org Organization: Cloud Factory Collective X-Mailer: nmh 1.0.4 + mh-e Subject: kernelconfig-config.html: ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:04:12 -0800 From: Randy Primeaux Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following entries are not clear to me, i.e. risk vs. benefit. I have UDMA33/66/100 devices, and am considering enabling ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA on a pci bus. While I could send this query to -questions, I'd like the response to be reflected in the Handbook. http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/kernelconfig-config.html options ATA_STATIC_ID #Static device numbering This makes the controller number static (like the old driver) or else the device numbers are dynamically allocated. #options ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA #Enable DMA on ATAPI devices This enables DMA on the ATAPI device. Since many ATAPI devices claim to support DMA, but it does not actually work, this is turned off by default. -- Randy Primeaux randy@cloudfactory.org FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Dec 18 15: 9:51 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 15:09:49 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93BA937B402 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:09:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eBIN9mg11593; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:09:48 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:09:48 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: Randy Primeaux Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernelconfig-config.html: ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA Message-ID: <20001218150948.B10804@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <200012182322.PAA14493@relay.ultimanet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200012182322.PAA14493@relay.ultimanet.com>; from randy@Cloudfactory.ORG on Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 03:04:12PM -0800 Sender: brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 03:04:12PM -0800, Randy Primeaux wrote: > The following entries are not clear to me, i.e. risk vs. benefit. > I have UDMA33/66/100 devices, and am considering enabling > ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA on a pci bus. Many stupid ATAPI devices (CD drives, ZIPs, etc) claim to support DMA, but crash your system if you try to use it. Thus you can't turn this on be default. It's worked for me on some systems, but there is no list of working devices and it's unlikely that one will ever exist given that CD drives are pretty much commodity devices and thus there's a lot of junk out there. This doesn't belong in the handbook, IMO. If you can suggest a better comment for the config file that wouldn't hurt, but it's a very minor option. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Dec 18 15:20:19 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 15:20:17 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from relay.ultimanet.com (relay.ultimanet.com [205.179.129.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5EA37B400 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:20:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from Cloudfactory.ORG (cloudfactory.org [205.179.129.18]) by relay.ultimanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15231 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:38:57 -0800 Message-Id: <200012182338.PAA15231@relay.ultimanet.com> To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernelconfig-config.html: ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA In-Reply-To: Message from Brooks Davis of "Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:09:48 PST." <20001218150948.B10804@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:20:16 -0800 From: Randy Primeaux Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brooks, Thank you for your quick response. I should have clarified that my local goal is to enable the "highest" transfer rate available, given my mixture of hardware and software. My global goal, is to see a comment for each option that alludes to "why, or why not, you would want to enable this option". I will ponder on your response, and see if I can come up with a politicly correct comment for the Handbook. I checked dmesg for my primary desktop and found: ata0-master: DMA limited to UDMA33, non-ATA66 compliant cable ad0: 29314MB [59560/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 ad1: 516MB [1988/14/38] at ata0-slave PIO3 ad2: 7665MB [15574/16/63] at ata1-master UDMA33 acd0: CDROM at ata1-slave using PIO3 I'll test tonight. Thanks. Brooks Davis writes: > On Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 03:04:12PM -0800, Randy Primeaux wrote: > > The following entries are not clear to me, i.e. risk vs. benefit. > > I have UDMA33/66/100 devices, and am considering enabling > > ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA on a pci bus. > > Many stupid ATAPI devices (CD drives, ZIPs, etc) claim to support DMA, > but crash your system if you try to use it. Thus you can't turn this on > be default. It's worked for me on some systems, but there is no list > of working devices and it's unlikely that one will ever exist given that > CD drives are pretty much commodity devices and thus there's a lot of > junk out there. This doesn't belong in the handbook, IMO. If you can > suggest a better comment for the config file that wouldn't hurt, but > it's a very minor option. -- Randy Primeaux randy@cloudfactory.org tranze@hyperreal.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Dec 19 2:29:41 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 02:29:30 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ppp145.comintern.ru (ppp145.comintern.ru [213.148.2.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B53537B400 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 02:29:05 -0800 (PST) From: �� To: Subject: �� - �� X-Mailer: PersMail 2.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=Windows-1251 Message-Id: <20001219102906.5B53537B400@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 02:29:06 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -==��===��==-

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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Dec 19 11:38:51 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 11:38:49 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dune.clickarray.com (unknown [216.132.92.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA34137B404 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:38:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from vader.clickarray.com (psb.clickarray.com [10.2.1.254]) by dune.clickarray.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA56263; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:41:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: (from asami@localhost) by vader.clickarray.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eBJJdJ680327; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:39:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:39:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200012191939.eBJJdJ680327@vader.clickarray.com> X-Authentication-Warning: vader.clickarray.com: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: doc@freebsd.org Cc: jennifer@clickarray.com Subject: whatis description in new users tutorial From: asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi Asami) User-Agent: SEMI/1.13.7 (Awazu) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) Emacs/20.7 (i386--freebsd) MULE/4.0 (=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCMlYxYxsoQg==?=) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.13.7 - "Awazu") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: asami@cs.berkeley.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, The description of whatis in http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/new-users/x183.html seems to be slightly off. Currently it says === whatis text Tells you what the command text does and its man page. Typing whatis * will tell you about all the binaries in the current directory. === that seems more like a description of man rather than whatis. The whatis description should be more in line with that of apropos. Thanks, Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Dec 19 12:51:14 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 12:51:06 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.interramp.com (smtp1.interramp.com [38.8.45.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F197437B400; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:51:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [38.26.194.209] (helo=localhost) by smtp1.interramp.com with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 148Tit-0005OK-00; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:50:59 -0500 To: ru@FreeBSD.org Cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: mdoc(7)NG questions (Re: cvs commit: src/bin/ed ed.1 src/bin/pax pax.1 src/bin/sh sh.1) In-Reply-To: <200012181452.eBIEqH000902@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <200012181452.eBIEqH000902@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20001219155039E.horikawa@psinet.com> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:50:39 -0500 From: Kazuo Horikawa X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 60 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Ruslan, I just saw several updated files and got several questions. What is the purpose of adding '\&' (zero width space) at the end of line? In other words, what output will be produced for the previous file (which does not have '\&') and the new file (which has tailing '\&'), and are they same or not? If output is totally different (not cosmetic change), I will understand that mdoc(7)NG is not backward compatible to old mdoc(7). If output is basically same, it is OK for me. I saw trailing '\&' is added in at least pax.1 and wargames.6, and I was afraid that mdoc(7)NG will change trailing puctuation treatment. In pax.1, .Ar ... is replaced with .Ar ...\& and in src/games/wargames/wargames.6, .Dq Shall we play a game? is replaced with .Dq Shall we play a game?\& I am translating FreeBSD manpages into Japanese (which are stored in doc/ja_JP.eucJP/man). These manuals are formatted by ports ja-groff (/usr/ports/japanese/groff), which uses FreeBSD's tmac.mdoc. I am trying to continue to add changes which are applied to src tree manpages (RELENG_4) in order to sync up with src. So, I would like to know whether any impact exists or not once mdoc(7)NG macro is incorporated into FreeBSD tree. I think new functionality such as ".Ar -nosplit" is cool and I do not intend to discourage your tasks. Thanks, -- Kazuo Horikawa From: Ruslan Ermilov Subject: cvs commit: src/bin/ed ed.1 src/bin/pax pax.1 src/bin/sh sh.1 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 06:52:17 -0800 (PST) > ru 2000/12/18 06:52:17 PST > > Modified files: (Branch: RELENG_4) > bin/ed ed.1 > bin/pax pax.1 > bin/sh sh.1 > Log: > MFC: Prepare for mdoc(7)NG. > > Revision Changes Path > 1.17.2.4 +2 -2 src/bin/ed/ed.1 > 1.12.2.2 +25 -25 src/bin/pax/pax.1 > 1.39.2.5 +12 -12 src/bin/sh/sh.1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Dec 19 13:59:41 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 13:59:38 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ABC537B400; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:59:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA20457; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:59:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBJLxbc13342; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:59:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200012192159.eBJLxbc13342@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Nik Clayton Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , jim@osd.bsdi.com, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Supported hardware list(s) In-Reply-To: <20001218191442.A11618@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20001215133609.A23331@envy.geekhouse.net> <200012181741.eBIHfjt94333@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20001218191442.A11618@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Comments: In-reply-to Nik Clayton message dated "Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:14:42 +0000." From: bmah@freebsd.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_2134255840P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:59:37 -0800 Sender: bmah@cisco.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_2134255840P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Nik Clayton wrote: > > I think the end goal is a good one. I was working on this issue from a > > slightly different angle. I talked with a few people at BSDCon about > > the subject of fixing up the *.TXT files, specifically, doing them up in > > DocBook. The goal of this exercise would be to produce a smaller set of > > files for the release notes (e.g. one file total, not one per platform) > > and hardware lists which is customized when output is generated to apply > > to different plaforms. Also, we could do "better looking" release notes > > in PDF, PS, HTML, TXT, and so forth, possibly with some help from the > > stylesheet gurus amongst us. > > Also, we can do this > > http://www.BSDI.COM/products/internet/hardware/ > > (web based interactive hardware database). What's the database for this look like? It's not DocBook is it? > > I got some weak agreement to this idea, then I went off and did some > > DocBook coding, and then got bogged down in Real Work (TM). (Note: I'm > > still in that mode.) I've put a snapshot of my work at: > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~bmah/relnotes.tar.gz > > Looks like a good start. Thanks. I've made a little more progress on this, and updated my snapshot (same place). Right now I'm trying to mark-up the release notes for -CURRENT. > > Other things I'm stalled on: Lack of time (of course), and experience > > at doing the SGML markup. Also the myriads of hardware info lists would > > need to be consolidated. Finally, the doc tree as it stands is not > > branched (a la CVS), but putting release notes in the doc tree would > > mandate it. (Putting it in the src tree doesn't automatically solve > > the problem, because I think there's some dependencies on some files, > > such as style sheets or entity definitions, that only live in the doc > > tree.) > > I don't really want to see the doc/ tree branched. However, the > osversion* attributes should let us support this, and I have some > experimental support for this working right now. I'll send a separate > message out for that. Then there's no need to branch. OK. I've gotten the DocBook-ified release notes prototype to build elsewhere other than doc/, and, after thinking about it, I don't think we need to branch doc/. Release notes can go in src/release/ ${SOMETHING} and they can be branched like the rest of src/. More concerns of mine: I am not real happy with the HTML and PDF output; there seems to be an excessive amount of whitespace. This, coupled with a desire on my part to make the hardware lists formatted more consistently, is going to wind us up with a release notes document about 30-40 pages long (PDF version). Gack. I'm also wondering about losing the semantics of entries in the hardware list; doesn't really convey the underlying meaning that there's certain types of hardware with certain concrete examples listed. Should I care about this at all? At least with more consistent formatting, we can change this later if there's some set of tags that we think are more useful. Bruce. --==_Exmh_2134255840P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE6P9pJ2MoxcVugUsMRAqPyAJsGfNIxGyFxBoieSXnStL4W4fnMxwCgsGp2 oOpKM8n/Q0y8uNupSwytdcQ= =S0oV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_2134255840P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Dec 19 21:11:49 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 21:11:48 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from whizkidtech.net (r30.bfm.org [216.127.220.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A380037B400 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:11:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from adam@localhost) by whizkidtech.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id XAA00410 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:10:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:10:12 -0600 From: "G. Adam Stanislav" To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: FAQ on adding more swap space Message-ID: <20001219231012.A392@whizkidtech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Organization: Whiz Kid Technomagic X-URL: http://www.whizkidtech.net/ X-Castle: http://www.redprince.net/ X-Special-Effects: http://www.FilmSFX.com/ X-Operating-System: FreeBSD whizkidtech.net 3.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In the FAQ there is a section on adding more swap space. Is this information correct and complete? When I try to add more swap space following the instructions to the letter, I get this message: vnconfig: open: Device not configured The FAQ says nothing about configuring it... Adam -- Don't send me spam, I'm a vegetarian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Dec 19 21:17:24 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 21:17:22 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4F5B37B402 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:17:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eBK5HKq06468; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:17:20 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:17:20 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FAQ on adding more swap space Message-ID: <20001219211720.B5790@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20001219231012.A392@whizkidtech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20001219231012.A392@whizkidtech.net>; from adam@whizkidtech.net on Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 11:10:12PM -0600 Sender: brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 11:10:12PM -0600, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > In the FAQ there is a section on adding more swap space. Is this information > correct and complete? When I try to add more swap space following the > instructions to the letter, I get this message: > > vnconfig: open: Device not configured > > The FAQ says nothing about configuring it... man vn The driver isn't compiled in by default. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Dec 19 22:59:56 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 22:59:52 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E8137B400; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:59:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eBK6xGd87532; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:59:16 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:59:16 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Kazuo Horikawa Cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mdoc(7)NG questions (Re: cvs commit: src/bin/ed ed.1 src/bin/pax pax.1 src/bin/sh sh.1) Message-ID: <20001220085916.A87094@sunbay.com> Mail-Followup-To: Kazuo Horikawa , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org References: <200012181452.eBIEqH000902@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001219155039E.horikawa@psinet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001219155039E.horikawa@psinet.com>; from horikawa@psinet.com on Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 03:50:39PM -0500 Sender: ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 03:50:39PM -0500, Kazuo Horikawa wrote: > Hi Ruslan, > > I just saw several updated files and got several questions. > > What is the purpose of adding '\&' (zero width space) at the end of > line? > In other words, what output will be produced for the previous file > (which does not have '\&') and the new file (which has tailing '\&'), > and are they same or not? > > If output is totally different (not cosmetic change), I will > understand that mdoc(7)NG is not backward compatible to old mdoc(7). > If output is basically same, it is OK for me. > > > I saw trailing '\&' is added in at least pax.1 and wargames.6, and I > was afraid that mdoc(7)NG will change trailing puctuation treatment. > > In pax.1, > .Ar ... > is replaced with > .Ar ...\& > The ``dot'' is the closing punctuation character, which ends the sentence. Groff(1) puts two spaces after closing punctuation characters. mdoc(7)NG has been fixed to interpret these characters correctly in all cases. > and in src/games/wargames/wargames.6, > .Dq Shall we play a game? > is replaced with > .Dq Shall we play a game?\& > The reason is the same, we do not want two spaces after the `?'. Both `?' and `!' have been added to the mdoc(7)NG's list of closing punctuation characters. > I am translating FreeBSD manpages into Japanese (which are stored in > doc/ja_JP.eucJP/man). These manuals are formatted by ports ja-groff > (/usr/ports/japanese/groff), which uses FreeBSD's tmac.mdoc. I am > trying to continue to add changes which are applied to src tree > manpages (RELENG_4) in order to sync up with src. > So, I would like to know whether any impact exists or not once > mdoc(7)NG macro is incorporated into FreeBSD tree. > I don't know for sure if this affects Japanese manuals, you can try the current groff from ftp.ffii.org, and see if this produces the difference. What I am basically doing is checking all the manuals for differences between current mdoc(7) and mdoc(7)NG. > I think new functionality such as ".Ar -nosplit" is cool and > I do not intend to discourage your tasks. > This has been accepted in mdoc(7)NG, and will be available in the Groff 1.17 distribution. Please let me know if you will have any specific questions. Cheers, -- Ruslan Ermilov Oracle Developer/DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Dec 20 3:56: 3 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 03:55:59 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (unknown [198.79.110.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2030137B400; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 03:55:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA16985; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 03:58:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.svbug.com) Message-Id: <200012201158.DAA16985@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 03:58:02 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Subject: Re: docs/23292: /etc/dumpdates is not documented in section 5 To: ben@scientia.demon.co.uk Cc: bugs@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20001219042930.A78749@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: jessem@spammie.svbug.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry, It's been done for a while. It is not a man page. It is just a document explaining /etc/crontab. If you feel that it is weak as a whole, or in part, please fell free to use parts of it. You can review it at: http://www.svbug.com/projects/documentation/freebsd-default-cron.html Feel free to pinch. :-) Jessem. On 19 Dec, Ben Smithurst wrote: > Are you ever going to bother writing a manual page for this, or did you > just say you would to slow things down while we waited for something > which isn't going to appear? > > I've actually written one now, but if you've done anything you could > still show it me to see if there's anything I can pinch from it. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Dec 20 7:11:49 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 07:11:46 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from whizkidtech.net (r43.bfm.org [216.127.220.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD85737B6A9 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 07:11:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from adam@localhost) by whizkidtech.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id JAA00267; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:10:23 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:09:52 -0600 From: "G. Adam Stanislav" To: Brooks Davis Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FAQ on adding more swap space Message-ID: <20001220090952.A246@whizkidtech.net> References: <20001219231012.A392@whizkidtech.net> <20001219211720.B5790@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20001219211720.B5790@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu>; from brooks@one-eyed-alien.net on Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 09:17:20PM -0800 Organization: Whiz Kid Technomagic X-URL: http://www.whizkidtech.net/ X-Castle: http://www.redprince.net/ X-Special-Effects: http://www.FilmSFX.com/ X-Operating-System: FreeBSD whizkidtech.net 3.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 09:17:20PM -0800, Brooks Davis wrote: >man vn Thank you. >The driver isn't compiled in by default. In that case, it probably would be helpful to reflect that in the FAQ which says the exact opposite ("The GENERIC kernel already contains this."). Cheers, Adam -- When a finger points at the Moon... do you look at the Moon? Or, do you prefer to worship the finger? -- Unknown Zen Master To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Dec 20 9:55:38 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 09:55:37 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f86.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF1B37B400 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:55:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:55:36 -0800 Received: from 216.191.212.228 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:55:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.191.212.228] From: "Allan P. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Dec 20 13:16:52 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 13:16:49 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC7837B400; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 13:16:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=root) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.169 #1) id 148qRp-0006RU-00; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:06:53 +0000 Received: (from ben@localhost) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBKL6qp91705; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:06:52 GMT (envelope-from ben) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:06:52 +0000 From: Ben Smithurst To: opentrax@email.com Cc: bugs@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/23292: /etc/dumpdates is not documented in section 5 Message-ID: <20001220210652.B8350@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20001219042930.A78749@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <200012201158.DAA16985@spammie.svbug.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200012201158.DAA16985@spammie.svbug.com> Sender: ben@scientia.demon.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org opentrax@email.com wrote: > It's been done for a while. It is not a man page. It is just > a document explaining /etc/crontab. /me confused What use is that for a PR requesting a dumpdates(5) manual page? :-) -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Dec 20 14:12:24 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 14:12:20 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (unknown [198.79.110.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FBF537B400; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:12:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17685; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:15:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.svbug.com) Message-Id: <200012202215.OAA17685@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:15:14 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Subject: Re: docs/23292: /etc/dumpdates is not documented in section 5 To: ben@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: bugs@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20001220210652.B8350@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: jessem@spammie.svbug.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 20 Dec, Ben Smithurst wrote: > opentrax@email.com wrote: > >> It's been done for a while. It is not a man page. It is just >> a document explaining /etc/crontab. > > /me confused > > What use is that for a PR requesting a dumpdates(5) manual page? :-) > I don't know how to write a man page. I'm not interested in what it takes to make a man page or doing one. I've read the webpage on doing a man page and documentation for FreeBSD. It's a PITA. My PR is that the man page is missing. Reading the documents associated with FreeBSD - I paraphrase, "If you can't do this or are unwilling, then any help is appreciate?". Are you suggesting otherwise? Jessem. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Dec 20 14:47:35 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 14:47:33 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B16D37B400; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:47:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13787; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:47:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBKMlWt28110; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:47:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200012202247.eBKMlWt28110@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: sheldonh@freebsd.org Cc: bmah@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Old entities in man-refs.ent From: bmah@freebsd.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1649082448P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:47:31 -0800 Sender: bmah@cisco.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_1649082448P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Sheldon-- I noticed that you did two commits to man-refs.ent that removed the entities for svr4(8) and linux(8) because the scripts they were describing are obsolete. I'm in a situation where I'd kind of like them back for two reasons: 1. They're still very much present (for better or worse) in 4-STABLE. 2. It's a little harder to write a DocBook document saying "svr4(8) was removed" if the entity isn't there. I'm wondering if you'd consider letting me put the svr4(8) and linux(8) entries back, as well as adding one for osf1(8)? (If the answer's "no", I can live with that. I can always write the entry out long-hand, even though it's not as aesthetically pleasing to me.) Thanks! Bruce. --==_Exmh_1649082448P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE6QTcD2MoxcVugUsMRAhtSAJ4x9OGQ3K2s2GjEvsMqFPBUunObdwCg5vM6 PHxt8Zy2xM8Pa4Jkty1Y8fE= =baqr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1649082448P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Dec 20 15: 2:38 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 15:02:34 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F0337B400; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:02:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=root) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.169 #1) id 148rud-0006cX-00; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:40:43 +0000 Received: (from ben@localhost) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBKMege38372; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:40:42 GMT (envelope-from ben) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 22:40:41 +0000 From: Ben Smithurst To: opentrax@email.com Cc: bugs@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/23292: /etc/dumpdates is not documented in section 5 Message-ID: <20001220224041.C8350@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20001220210652.B8350@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <200012202215.OAA17685@spammie.svbug.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200012202215.OAA17685@spammie.svbug.com> Sender: ben@scientia.demon.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org opentrax@email.com wrote: > I don't know how to write a man page. I'm not interested in what it > takes to make a man page or doing one. I've read the webpage on doing > a man page and documentation for FreeBSD. It's a PITA. > > My PR is that the man page is missing. yeah, whatever, that's fine, but this PR is about ***/etc/dumpdates***. The page you pointed me to was about ***/etc/crontab***. NOTE, "crontab" does not equal "dumpdates". Do you understand my point now? I'll ask again, slowly this time. Have you written any documentation about the /etc/dumpdates file, as you clearly said you would in the PR? <> -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Dec 20 15:37: 6 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 15:37:03 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (unknown [198.79.110.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D1C37B402; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:37:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17793; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:40:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.svbug.com) Message-Id: <200012202340.PAA17793@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:39:59 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Subject: Re: docs/23292: /etc/dumpdates is not documented in section 5 To: ben@FreeBSD.org Cc: bugs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <20001220224041.C8350@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: jessem@spammie.svbug.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 20 Dec, Ben Smithurst wrote: > opentrax@email.com wrote: > >> I don't know how to write a man page. I'm not interested in what it >> takes to make a man page or doing one. I've read the webpage on doing >> a man page and documentation for FreeBSD. It's a PITA. >> >> My PR is that the man page is missing. > > yeah, whatever, that's fine, but this PR is about ***/etc/dumpdates***. > The page you pointed me to was about ***/etc/crontab***. NOTE, > "crontab" does not equal "dumpdates". Do you understand my point now? > > I'll ask again, slowly this time. Have you written any documentation > about the /etc/dumpdates file, as you clearly said you would in > the PR? > Your right. I've mistaken your comments. I appoligize for that. My PR should NOT have been labeled with "/etc/dumpdates". That was a mistake on my part. I formally ask that the PR be withdrawn on that basis. It is wrong and I acknowledge that. As for '/etc/crontab' and the defaults, I will file a new PR in the near future. I acknowledge your efforts to correct my error and thank you for you patience. respectfully Jessem. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Dec 20 15:48:55 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 15:48:53 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1002C37B6EA; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:48:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=root) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.169 #1) id 148sld-0006f5-00; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:35:29 +0000 Received: (from ben@localhost) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBKNZTW07949; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:35:29 GMT (envelope-from ben) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:35:28 +0000 From: Ben Smithurst To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: sheldonh@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Old entities in man-refs.ent Message-ID: <20001220233528.D8350@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <200012202247.eBKMlWt28110@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200012202247.eBKMlWt28110@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Sender: ben@scientia.demon.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bruce A. Mah wrote: > I'm wondering if you'd consider letting me put the svr4(8) and linux(8) > entries back, as well as adding one for osf1(8)? If you want to use them, add them. :-) That's the general rule for man-refs.ent, as far as I know. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Dec 20 15:57: 9 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 15:57:07 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B5237B400; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:57:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=root) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.169 #1) id 148t6X-0006gz-00; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:57:05 +0000 Received: (from ben@localhost) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBKNv4p83802; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:57:04 GMT (envelope-from ben) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:57:03 +0000 From: Ben Smithurst To: opentrax@email.com Cc: bugs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/23292: /etc/dumpdates is not documented in section 5 Message-ID: <20001220235703.E8350@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20001220224041.C8350@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> <200012202340.PAA17793@spammie.svbug.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200012202340.PAA17793@spammie.svbug.com> Sender: ben@scientia.demon.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org opentrax@email.com wrote: > Your right. I've mistaken your comments. I appoligize for that. My PR > should NOT have been labeled with "/etc/dumpdates". That was a mistake > on my part. I formally ask that the PR be withdrawn on that basis. It > is wrong and I acknowledge that. But /etc/crontab **IS** documented, so I still haven't got the faintest clue what you're on about. If you're wanting the individual programs run by periodic(8) out of cron to be documented, then say so. But I think they'd be best documented in periodic(8)'s own manual page. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Dec 20 17:44:50 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 17:44:43 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB7B37B400; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:44:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BD1B6AB69; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:14:33 +1030 (CST) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:14:33 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Ruslan Ermilov , Kazuo Horikawa , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: mdoc police and MAINTAINER (was Re: cvs commit: src/sbin/ffsinfo ffsinfo.8 src/sbin/init init.8 src/sbin/sysctl sysctl.8) Message-ID: <20001221121433.B52062@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200012200508.eBK58gS47238@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001220095935.E87094@sunbay.com> <200012181452.eBIEqH000902@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001219155039E.horikawa@psinet.com> <20001220085916.A87094@sunbay.com> <200012191536.eBJFamr37746@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200012191536.eBJFamr37746@freefall.freebsd.org>; from ru@FreeBSD.org on Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 07:36:48AM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 20 December 2000 at 9:59:35 +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > On Tue, Dec 19, 2000 at 09:08:42PM -0800, Greg Lehey wrote: >> grog 2000/12/19 21:08:42 PST >> >> Modified files: >> sbin/vinum vinum.8 >> Log: >> Cosmetics. >> >> Correct location of history file. >> >> Change references from /dev/wd to /dev/ad. >> >> Use more appropriate defaults for stripe size in examples. >> >> Revision Changes Path >> 1.46 +43 -39 src/sbin/vinum/vinum.8 >> > Grey! Where did you get that name from? > What is the reason you did vanish my recent mdoc(7) fixes? I didn't see them. I read my hundreds of commit messages every day, but especially in the very big, global ones, I sometimes miss something. You'll recall that I warned of exactly this possibility the last time you violated the MAINTAINER bit on ffsinfo. > .Nm remembers its first invokation argument, and it is now possible > to write ``.Nm ,'' and have ``vinum,''. Also, there is no point to > reference the manpage from itself, i.e. ``s/Xr vinum 8/Nm/''. Also > you abuse the .Nm macro for internal vinum commands; these commands > should be written using `.Ic'. Thanks for the information. Do these work in NetBSD, OpenBSD and Linux? Remember that Vinum is intended to be used on these systems as well. On Tuesday, 19 December 2000 at 7:36:48 -0800, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > ru 2000/12/19 07:36:48 PST > > Modified files: > sbin/ffsinfo ffsinfo.8 > sbin/init init.8 > sbin/sysctl sysctl.8 > Log: > Prepare for mdoc(7)NG. > > Revision Changes Path > 1.4 +2 -2 src/sbin/ffsinfo/ffsinfo.8 > 1.27 +2 -2 src/sbin/init/init.8 > 1.29 +63 -63 src/sbin/sysctl/sysctl.8 # $FreeBSD: src/sbin/ffsinfo/Makefile,v 1.1 2000/12/09 15:27:24 tomsoft Exp $ # MAINTAINER= tomsoft@FreeBSD.ORG, chm@FreeBSD.ORG Why did you not respect MAINTAINER? I respect the work you're doing, but the way you do it is not helping. I don't think there should be an artificial distinction between code developers and doc developers. If there were, you would have to do a lot more work at keeping the technical content up to date. At the moment, though, going in and changing documentation without even telling the MAINTAINER is going to make you unpopular. Sure, it's more work doing it the other way, but the way you're doing it, you're making more work for each affected developer. That's not fair on them. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Dec 20 18: 3:41 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 18:03:39 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wgs1.btl.net (wgs1.btl.net [206.27.238.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF4137B400 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:03:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from nightfall.btl.net ([206.27.245.17]) by wgs1.btl.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA195C for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:04:57 +0600 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20001220200138.00aa92e0@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: buckland/btlmail.btl.net@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:04:08 -0600 To: doc@FreeBSD.org From: "Robert M. Buckland" Subject: dialup firewall with FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm hoping someone out there can help... I've set up a FreeBSD 4.1 machine to act as a firewall routing packets between my internal and external network. I followed your dialup firewall tutorial and recompiled my kernel as you suggested, adding the IPFILTER and IPDIVERT options. I then added the firewall and natd options to my rc.conf file. Upon boot the ipfirewall options and divert are enabled however natd reports that it cannot find the tun0 interface - that it is not a valid interface. I do have the -dynamic tag but pppd does not start until much later - I have it in rc.d as "000pppd.sh" but even though it is the first to start there this still occurs after natd has initialized. I have tried userppp which I can get to use nat but I can't get it to autostart as smoothly as pppd - furthermore I also would prefer to use the kernel based firewall as this system will protect a fairly high profile company. Is there anything I have missed? I noticed in the man pages for natd they mentioned that it is not for dialup options. A bit about my network setup: My connection is also a bit strange - rather than a dialup the connection is a dedicated leased line connection between two analog modems - I'm down here in Belize and this is the best they could offer me. The modems are set to originate and answer respectively I simply need to send an ATZ command to our modem to reestablish the link. The IPs are also static. I have this working nicely with pppd - the chat script simply sends a reset to the modem and pppd is set to persist. I then have a crossover cable (as a perimeter network) to an internal server. That internal server will house the company's mailserver and webserver. I planned to have the FreeBSD box route packets from the outside to the web and mail server on the internal network and route all Internet based traffic from the internal network. It seemed to me like natd and ipfw were the ideal solution. Is there anything I am doing wrong? Something I have missed? Or somewhere you could point me? I'll appreciate any help you can offer. Sincerely Robert Buckland To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Dec 20 19:48:29 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 19:48:26 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA97037B400; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:48:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBL3mEs23014; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:48:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA13562; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:48:12 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200012210348.UAA13562@harmony.village.org> To: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: mdoc police and MAINTAINER (was Re: cvs commit: src/sbin/ffsinfo ffsinfo.8 src/sbin/init init.8 src/sbin/sysctl sysctl.8) Cc: Ruslan Ermilov , Kazuo Horikawa , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:14:33 +1030." <20001221121433.B52062@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20001221121433.B52062@wantadilla.lemis.com> <200012200508.eBK58gS47238@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001220095935.E87094@sunbay.com> <200012181452.eBIEqH000902@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001219155039E.horikawa@psinet.com> <20001220085916.A87094@sunbay.com> <200012191536.eBJFamr37746@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:48:12 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: imp@harmony.village.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <20001221121433.B52062@wantadilla.lemis.com> Greg Lehey writes: : I didn't see them. I read my hundreds of commit messages every day, : but especially in the very big, global ones, I sometimes miss : something. You'll recall that I warned of exactly this possibility : the last time you violated the MAINTAINER bit on ffsinfo. cvs update is supposed to prevent this. MAINTAINER is *NOT* an exclusive lock. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Dec 20 19:55:19 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 19:55:15 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B488E37B400; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:55:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBL3t7s23044; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:55:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA13639; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:55:06 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200012210355.UAA13639@harmony.village.org> Subject: Re: mdoc police and MAINTAINER (was Re: cvs commit: src/sbin/ffsinfo ffsinfo.8 src/sbin/init init.8 src/sbin/sysctl sysctl.8) Cc: Greg Lehey , Ruslan Ermilov , Kazuo Horikawa , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:48:12 MST." <200012210348.UAA13562@harmony.village.org> References: <200012210348.UAA13562@harmony.village.org> <20001221121433.B52062@wantadilla.lemis.com> <200012200508.eBK58gS47238@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001220095935.E87094@sunbay.com> <200012181452.eBIEqH000902@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001219155039E.horikawa@psinet.com> <20001220085916.A87094@sunbay.com> <200012191536.eBJFamr37746@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:55:06 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: imp@harmony.village.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <200012210348.UAA13562@harmony.village.org> Warner Losh writes: : In message <20001221121433.B52062@wantadilla.lemis.com> Greg Lehey writes: : : I didn't see them. I read my hundreds of commit messages every day, : : but especially in the very big, global ones, I sometimes miss : : something. You'll recall that I warned of exactly this possibility : : the last time you violated the MAINTAINER bit on ffsinfo. : : cvs update is supposed to prevent this. MAINTAINER is *NOT* an : exclusive lock. Besides, I don't see a MAINTAINER flag on vinum at all. egrep MAINTAIN in both src/sys/dev/vinum and src/sys/modules/vinum come up empty. In the case of ffsinfo one might have argued that Ruslan might have done something wrong as there was a MAINTAINER flag there. Here, there's no MAINTAINER so Ruslan's question about why you backed out his change is valid. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Dec 20 20: 4: 4 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 20:03:59 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB50A37B400; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:03:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A0406AB68; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:33:47 +1030 (CST) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:33:47 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Warner Losh Cc: Ruslan Ermilov , Kazuo Horikawa , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mdoc police and MAINTAINER (was Re: cvs commit: src/sbin/ffsinfo ffsinfo.8 src/sbin/init init.8 src/sbin/sysctl sysctl.8) Message-ID: <20001221143347.F53393@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200012210348.UAA13562@harmony.village.org> <20001221121433.B52062@wantadilla.lemis.com> <200012200508.eBK58gS47238@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001220095935.E87094@sunbay.com> <200012181452.eBIEqH000902@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001219155039E.horikawa@psinet.com> <20001220085916.A87094@sunbay.com> <200012191536.eBJFamr37746@freefall.freebsd.org> <200012210348.UAA13562@harmony.village.org> <200012210355.UAA13639@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200012210355.UAA13639@harmony.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 08:55:06PM -0700 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 20 December 2000 at 20:55:06 -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <200012210348.UAA13562@harmony.village.org> Warner Losh writes: >> In message <20001221121433.B52062@wantadilla.lemis.com> Greg Lehey writes: >>> I didn't see them. I read my hundreds of commit messages every day, >>> but especially in the very big, global ones, I sometimes miss >>> something. You'll recall that I warned of exactly this possibility >>> the last time you violated the MAINTAINER bit on ffsinfo. >> >> cvs update is supposed to prevent this. MAINTAINER is *NOT* an >> exclusive lock. > > Besides, I don't see a MAINTAINER flag on vinum at all. egrep > MAINTAIN in both src/sys/dev/vinum and src/sys/modules/vinum come up > empty. In the case of ffsinfo one might have argued that Ruslan might > have done something wrong as there was a MAINTAINER flag there. That was my argument. > Here, there's no MAINTAINER so Ruslan's question about why you > backed out his change is valid. I answered that question. I keep a separate tree for Vinum (so technically, I suppose it's a vendor branch or some such). I make changes to that tree, and occasionally I get out of sync. In this case, it happened to DES as well, but he didn't make as much noise. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Dec 21 2:29:13 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 02:29:11 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A787437B69B; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:29:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12117; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:28:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Sender: des@ofug.org X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Greg Lehey Cc: Ruslan Ermilov , Kazuo Horikawa , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mdoc police and MAINTAINER (was Re: cvs commit: src/sbin/ffsinfo ffsinfo.8 src/sbin/init init.8 src/sbin/sysctl sysctl.8) References: <200012200508.eBK58gS47238@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001220095935.E87094@sunbay.com> <200012181452.eBIEqH000902@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001219155039E.horikawa@psinet.com> <20001220085916.A87094@sunbay.com> <200012191536.eBJFamr37746@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001221121433.B52062@wantadilla.lemis.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 21 Dec 2000 11:28:47 +0100 In-Reply-To: Greg Lehey's message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:14:33 +1030" Message-ID: Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey writes: > MAINTAINER= tomsoft@FreeBSD.ORG, chm@FreeBSD.ORG > > Why did you not respect MAINTAINER? Because documentation commits (especially pure mdoc style commits like those Ruslan do) are exempt. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Dec 21 5:35:48 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 05:35:45 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 061C037B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 05:35:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eBLDYau22403; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:34:36 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:34:36 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Bruce Evans Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: mdoc(7) lines with unterminated quotes (was: Re: cvs commit: src/sbin/ffsinfo ffsinfo.8 src/sbin/init init.8 src/sbin/sysctl sysctl.8) Message-ID: <20001221153436.A21411@sunbay.com> References: <20001220152429.A20605@sunbay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from bde@zeta.org.au on Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 01:51:35AM +1100 Sender: ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 01:51:35AM +1100, Bruce Evans wrote: > > > Some recent changes, especially in sysctl.8, give lines with unterminated > > > quotes. I think this is a style bug at best. > > > > > Groff(1) does not require the closing `"' character for the last argument. > > I think this is a bug in groff, and it is a style bug to depend on it. > I could not remember exactly where I read about this, and Werner was kind enough to point me there: ----- Forwarded message from Werner LEMBERG ----- Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 03:14:17 +0100 (CET) From: Werner LEMBERG To: ru@sunbay.com Subject: Re: groff argument usage question > I has been asked a question whether it is valid to not supply a > trailing double quote in the macro-type requests, i.e. > > .Ma "argument with spaces > > vs > > .Ma "argument with spaces" > > I know the former works, and I just wanted to know if this a > documented behaviour or just the Groff implementation detail? This is officially documented in the troff manual (file cstr54.ps available from http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/cstr.html), section 7.3, end of first paragraph, thus it is not a groff extension. Nevertheless, I think it is a good idea to not omit the final double quote to avoid trailing spaces (which will become part of the argument otherwise). Werner ----- End forwarded message ----- So, let me quote it here: 7.3. Arguments. When a macro is invoked by name, the remainder of the line is taken to contain up to nine arguments. The argument separator is the space character (not tab), and arguments may be surrounded by double quotes to permit embedded space characters. Pairs of double quotes may be embedded in double-quoted arguments to represent a single double-quote character. The argument "" is explicitly null. If the desired arguments won't fit on a line, a concealed newline may be used to continue on the next line. A trailng double quote may be omitted. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Cheers, -- Ruslan Ermilov Oracle Developer/DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age -- Ruslan Ermilov Oracle Developer/DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Dec 21 5:53:32 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 05:53:28 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0889937B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 05:53:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eBLDrek61620 for doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:53:40 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:53:40 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Version specific documentation Message-ID: <20001221135340.B61525@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hopefully some of you remember my ramblings for allowing us to version content in the documentation. Specifically, I've talked about extending DocBook with 3 new attributes on each element; osversionmin Minimum version of FreeBSD this text applies to osversionmax Maximum version of FreeBSD this text applies to osversionin List of FreeBSD versions this text applies to First, let me make clear that those names are *not* set in stone. In particular, it precludes other projects (such as GNOME or KDE) from picking up our changes and using them to handle differences between the documentation for their different releases. Perhaps s/subj/os/ where "subj" means the subject of the document. However, for the purposes of testing they'll do for the time being. If you pull down http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/faq.test.tar.gz and extract it under doc/en*/books/ you'll have a faq.test directory. In there is a very simple book.sgml, a Makefile, and a freebsd.dsl that contains logic to handle osversionmin and osversionmax (osversionin is left as an exercise for the reader). To use it, edit the definition of 'for-release' in freebsd.dsl, and 'make' the documentation. You'll see paragraphs coming and going depending on the version you want. [ Variable names like "for-release" in the code are also bad. Something like "for-version" or similar would be better. I'll clean that up later. ] Currently, these are just proof of concept, but it's sufficient to show that, using DSSSL, we can programmatically include or exclude certain elements based on their attributes, and a mechanism for doing so. The main problem with this at the moment is that it lets you write things like == Example 1. SCSI devices have a /dev/sd prefix. SCSI devices have a /dev/da prefix. == or == Example 2. SCSI devices have a /dev/sd /dev/da prefix. == Which one do we use? Personally, I think we should always use the style in Example 1. The reason for this is that Example 1 allows the end user to build a document that contains information appropriate for both versions, Example 2 doesn't. I can see a need for wanting to build a FAQ or Handbook that covers each version of FreeBSD. If that's the case, the stylesheets should automatically preceed the text with something like FreeBSD 2.2.8 and below: SCSI devices have a /dev/sd prefix. FreeBSD 3.0.0 and up: SCSI devices have a /dev/da prefix. (in the same way that using the element includes a "Note: " before your text -- naturally there are i18n issues to consider here). That's going to look damn silly with example 2. SCSI devices have a FreeBSD 2.2.8 and below: /dev/sd FreeBSD 3.0.0 and up /dev/da prefix. This will entail some rewriting as we do this. For example the first paragraph of; http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/install.html#FLOPPY-DOWNLOAD would have to become two paras, one for 3.0 and below, one for 3.1 and up (exactly as I describe above). http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/install.html#INSTALL-BAD-BLOCKS is another example of something that can benefit from this treatment. Thoughts? Talented DSSSL hackers who want to finish this for me? N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Dec 21 5:56:26 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 05:56:22 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED9A37B400; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 05:56:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eBLDR9S61566; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:27:09 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:27:09 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Greg Lehey , Ruslan Ermilov , Kazuo Horikawa , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mdoc police and MAINTAINER (was Re: cvs commit: src/sbin/ffsinfo ffsinfo.8 src/sbin/init init.8 src/sbin/sysctl sysctl.8) Message-ID: <20001221132708.A61525@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200012200508.eBK58gS47238@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001220095935.E87094@sunbay.com> <200012181452.eBIEqH000902@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001219155039E.horikawa@psinet.com> <20001220085916.A87094@sunbay.com> <200012191536.eBJFamr37746@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001221121433.B52062@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from des@ofug.org on Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 11:28:47AM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chaps, On Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 11:28:47AM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Greg Lehey writes: > > MAINTAINER= tomsoft@FreeBSD.ORG, chm@FreeBSD.ORG > > > > Why did you not respect MAINTAINER? > > Because documentation commits (especially pure mdoc style commits like > those Ruslan do) are exempt. To clarify this (ironically, it's not written down anywhere), I would expect -doc committers to use the same level of common sense as other committers do when touching anything with a MAINTAINER label. Personally, that means anything from just going ahead and doing it, as Ruslan did, through to taking the time to contact the MAINTAINER and run the change past them for review. That does not mean that "All -doc committers can ignore MAINTAINER" any more than any other committer can ignore MAINTAINER. Inevitably this is going to lead to occasional instances where something gets committed over. Shit happens, people make mistakes, and we should be able to resolve these without jumping up and waving MAINTAINER every time. In the case of mass commits as Ruslan and others have done, a HEADS UP notice in -developers, with a suitable grace period (a week or so, IMHO) should be sufficient for any comments or queries to surface. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Dec 21 6: 5:58 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 06:05:55 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B922C37B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 06:05:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from nessie.mcc.ac.uk ([130.88.200.20] ident=root) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 1496Lx-0000wr-00 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:05:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (culf@localhost) by nessie.mcc.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02077 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:06:01 GMT (envelope-from culf@nessie.mcc.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:06:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Culf To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: URLs too transient? Re: www/en/security/security.sgml update In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20001215121319.00900860@mail.accessone.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.purl.org/ Culf. On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Bengt Richter wrote: > PMJI, but I had a possibly useful thought (?): > > Using URLs/links in docs is great when there is assurance > that they can be followed, but for a long-lasting document, > is it wise to point to internet sites per se, unless there > is some kind of official guarantee that they will persist? > > In a hardcopy manual, you wouldn't refer in a footnote to > other hard copy located at the library on 123 Main St, Anytown, > USA. You would refer by title, author, and ISBN number, etc., > so it could be found in any similarly indexed repository. > > That last is the key (pun) to what I am getting at: To have > reliable persistent distributed docs, the references have to > be in terms of a reference system, not locations. URLs serve > both purposes, so it's confusing, but it bears thinking about > (IMHO). Look at where that confusion led in the DOS/windows > file system and you realize the pain caused by including impermanent > physical/hardware references (':') in what should be > pure information references. > > Imagine seeing '#include "/dev//.../actual-file.h"' > in unix source! Gak. Thank goodness the unix founding fathers thought > to provide mount, to keep the information space separate and clean. > > For a document that may exist live on the internet, on local disks, > on CD, and possibly bound paper, "http://" is a little like "/dev/", > so should non-relative references be strictly controlled/validated? > > If you went with the unix philosophy, I guess you would have a mount > point (e.g., /http, like /cdrom), and keep the physical source and > file system format separate. Then we could have a document hierarchy > based on a mount point as unchanging root, instead of using site URLs > as root(s). Maybe not so much would have to change, except being very > careful about non-relative links. > > What URL represents a reliable document root forever? I wouldn't matter, > if you could just plunk it into fstab. > > Just my USD.02 > > Regards, > Bengt Richter > "We are all ignorant, just on different subjects." -- Will Rogers > > At 02:16 2000-12-15 -0600 Michael C . Wu wrote: > >Well, here is another update. :) > > > >I removed the list of security advisories and simply pointed > >people at the url to fetch them, this should be lower maintainence > >for our security staff. IMHO, this is also a better way to save > >bandwidth for people in low-bandwidth countries. To list > >the whole set of advisories seems pointless. > > > >I am not sure how best to link to /auditors.html, so please make sure > >you do it the Right Way. :) > > > >A link and explanation is added to the auditing project and > >its homepage. > > > > > >-- > >+------------------------------------------------------------------+ > >| keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | > >| http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | > >+------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Dec 21 10: 0:12 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 10:00:04 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2F137B698 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:00:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBLI04387080; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:00:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:00:04 -0800 (PST) Resent-Message-Id: <200012211800.eBLI04387080@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Management) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Resent-Reply-To: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org, phk@critter.freebsd.dk Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (fw2.aub.dk [195.24.1.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1068237B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:54:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from phk@localhost) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBLHsJK65333; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:54:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk) Message-Id: <200012211754.eBLHsJK65333@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:54:19 +0100 (CET) From: Poul-Henning Kamp Reply-To: phk@critter.freebsd.dk To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/23717: printf(3) is unclear about asprintf(3) return value Resent-Sender: gnats@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 23717 >Category: docs >Synopsis: printf(3) is unclear about asprintf(3) return value >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Dec 21 10:00:03 PST 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Poul-Henning Kamp >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: P.E.M�nsted, Fregatten Jylland som barn. >Environment: System: FreeBSD critter.freebsd.dk 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #6: Fri Dec 15 13:12:35 CET 2000 root@critter.freebsd.dk:/freebsd/src/sys/compile/FLUTTER i386 >Description: printf(3) says: [...] int asprintf(char **ret, const char *format, ...) [...] Asprintf() and vasprintf() return a pointer to a buffer [...] It seems to me that asprintf() returns an int... >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Dec 21 10: 9:29 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 10:09:27 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6BB37B400; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:09:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from billy-club.village.org (billy-club.village.org [10.0.0.3]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBLI9Hs29442; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:09:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@billy-club.village.org) Received: from billy-club.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by billy-club.village.org (8.11.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id eBLIABs46700; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:10:11 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200012211810.eBLIABs46700@billy-club.village.org> To: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: mdoc police and MAINTAINER (was Re: cvs commit: src/sbin/ffsinfo ffsinfo.8 src/sbin/init init.8 src/sbin/sysctl sysctl.8) Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Greg Lehey , Ruslan Ermilov , Kazuo Horikawa , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:27:09 GMT." <20001221132708.A61525@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20001221132708.A61525@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <200012200508.eBK58gS47238@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001220095935.E87094@sunbay.com> <200012181452.eBIEqH000902@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001219155039E.horikawa@psinet.com> <20001220085916.A87094@sunbay.com> <200012191536.eBJFamr37746@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001221121433.B52062@wantadilla.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:10:10 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: imp@billy-club.village.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <20001221132708.A61525@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Nik Clayton writes: : In the case of mass commits as Ruslan and others have done, a HEADS UP : notice in -developers, with a suitable grace period (a week or so, IMHO) : should be sufficient for any comments or queries to surface. Agreed. I've been updating the MAINTAINER section of the handbook and I think that this sort of thing is exactly what needs to be added. Thank you for expressing in two setences what I labored for two wordy paragraphs on. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Dec 21 14:29:23 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 14:29:20 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C05337B402; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:29:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E7416AB69; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:59:11 +1030 (CST) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:59:11 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Warner Losh Cc: Nik Clayton , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Ruslan Ermilov , Kazuo Horikawa , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD Core Team Subject: Re: mdoc police and MAINTAINER (was Re: cvs commit: src/sbin/ffsinfo ffsinfo.8 src/sbin/init init.8 src/sbin/sysctl sysctl.8) Message-ID: <20001222085911.M53393@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200012200508.eBK58gS47238@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001220095935.E87094@sunbay.com> <200012181452.eBIEqH000902@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001219155039E.horikawa@psinet.com> <20001220085916.A87094@sunbay.com> <200012191536.eBJFamr37746@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001221121433.B52062@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20001221132708.A61525@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <200012211810.eBLIABs46700@billy-club.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200012211810.eBLIABs46700@billy-club.village.org>; from imp@village.org on Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 11:10:10AM -0700 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 21 December 2000 at 11:10:10 -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <20001221132708.A61525@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Nik Clayton writes: >> In the case of mass commits as Ruslan and others have done, a HEADS UP >> notice in -developers, with a suitable grace period (a week or so, IMHO) >> should be sufficient for any comments or queries to surface. > > Agreed. I've been updating the MAINTAINER section of the handbook and > I think that this sort of thing is exactly what needs to be added. > Thank you for expressing in two setences what I labored for two wordy > paragraphs on. Well, note that we're discussing this matter in -core, and that we haven't come to an agreement yet. It's probably too early to update policy documents. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Dec 21 15:30: 9 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 15:30:02 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8779A37B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:30:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBLNU2442437; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:30:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:30:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200012212330.eBLNU2442437@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst Subject: Re: docs/23717: printf(3) is unclear about asprintf(3) return value Reply-To: Ben Smithurst Sender: gnats@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/23717; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/23717: printf(3) is unclear about asprintf(3) return value Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:46:53 +0000 Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > printf(3) says: > > [...] > int > asprintf(char **ret, const char *format, ...) > [...] > Asprintf() and vasprintf() return a pointer to a buffer [...] > > It seems to me that asprintf() returns an int... How about this. ... -return a pointer to a buffer sufficiently large to hold the -string in the -.Fa ret -argument; +set +.Fa *ret +to be a pointer to a buffer sufficiently large to hold the formatted string. The full diff with a few other changes is here... Index: printf.3 =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/lib/libc/stdio/printf.3,v retrieving revision 1.19 diff -u -r1.19 printf.3 --- printf.3 2000/11/10 17:44:59 1.19 +++ printf.3 2000/12/21 22:44:37 @@ -82,7 +82,7 @@ family of functions produces output according to a .Fa format as described below. -.Fn Printf +.Fn printf and .Fn vprintf write output to @@ -114,19 +114,12 @@ .Xr stdarg 3 ) are converted for output. .Pp -These functions return -the number of characters printed -(not including the trailing -.Ql \e0 -used to end output to strings). -.Pp -.Fn Asprintf +.Fn asprintf and .Fn vasprintf -return a pointer to a buffer sufficiently large to hold the -string in the -.Fa ret -argument; +set +.Fa *ret +to be a pointer to a buffer sufficiently large to hold the formatted string. This pointer should be passed to .Xr free 3 to release the allocated storage when it is no longer needed. @@ -135,10 +128,10 @@ and .Fn vasprintf will return -1 and set -.Fa ret +.Fa *ret to be a NULL pointer. .Pp -.Fn Snprintf +.Fn snprintf and .Fn vsnprintf will write at most @@ -153,7 +146,7 @@ argument, the string was too short and some of the printed characters were discarded. .Pp -.Fn Sprintf +.Fn sprintf and .Fn vsprintf effectively assume an infinite @@ -557,6 +550,27 @@ a field; if the result of a conversion is wider than the field width, the field is expanded to contain the conversion result. .Pp +.Sh RETURN VALUE +These functions return +the number of characters formatted +(not including the trailing +.Ql \e0 +used to end output to strings). +If a system error is encountered +(for example, +if memory allocations fails for +.Fn asprintf +or if a write failure occurs on an output stream), +-1 will be returned. +Note that +.Fn snprintf +and +.Fn vsnprintf +return the number of characters which should have been written to the +specified buffer, +which may be more than the number of characters actually written if the +specified buffer was too small. +.Pp .Sh EXAMPLES To print a date and time in the form `Sunday, July 3, 10:02', where @@ -585,14 +599,22 @@ #include char *newfmt(const char *fmt, ...) { - char *p; - va_list ap; - if ((p = malloc(128)) == NULL) - return (NULL); - va_start(ap, fmt); - (void) vsnprintf(p, 128, fmt, ap); - va_end(ap); - return (p); + char *p; + va_list ap; + if ((p = malloc(128)) == NULL) + return (NULL); + va_start(ap, fmt); + if (vsnprintf(p, 128, fmt, ap) >= 128) { + /* + * The buffer wasn't big enough; handle this case as + * appropriate. Here, missing characters is assumed to be a + * fatal error so the string is free'd and NULL is returned. + */ + free(p); + p = NULL; + } + va_end(ap); + return (p); } .Ed .Sh SEE ALSO -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Dec 21 15:30:55 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 15:30:46 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from escripovoa-mail.escripovoa.pt (unknown [212.55.148.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8BAE37B402; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:30:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from FABIO ([100.10.11.250]) by escripovoa-mail.escripovoa.pt with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id Z2N9A6N4; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 15:51:45 -0000 Message-ID: <00a301c06b67$8f9fec40$fa0b0a64@escripovoa.pt> Reply-To: "Portal Lusitano" From: "Portal Lusitano" To: Subject: Feliz Natal Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:03:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009F_01C06B67.7FBEFB40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Esta � uma mensagem com v�rias partes em formato MIME. ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C06B67.7FBEFB40 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00A0_01C06B67.7FBEFB40" ------=_NextPart_001_00A0_01C06B67.7FBEFB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Feliz Natal e um Pr=F3spero Ano Novo. 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O =DAnico Portal a cores de Portugal: = www.lusitano.pt=20

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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Dec 21 17:53:51 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 17:53:49 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.wanadoo.es (unknown [62.36.220.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA7737B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:53:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from es.freebsd.org (usuario1-37-156-164.dialup.uni2.es [62.37.156.164]) by smtp.wanadoo.es (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eBM1rdw04402; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 02:53:40 +0100 (MET) Sender: ncalvo@smtp.wanadoo.es Message-ID: <3A42B5C8.61A83388@es.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 03:00:40 +0100 From: ncalvo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Robert M. Buckland" Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dialup firewall with FreeBSD References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001220200138.00aa92e0@pop3.norton.antivirus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Robert, (...) > file. Upon boot the ipfirewall options and divert are enabled however natd > reports that it cannot find the tun0 interface - that it is not a valid > interface. I do have the -dynamic tag but pppd does not start until much > later - I have it in rc.d as "000pppd.sh" but even though it is the first (...) The tutorial assumes that you are using ppp(8), aka user-ppp. It uses the tun0 interface. On the other hand, pppd(8) uses the ppp0 interface (that's why the tun0 interface is not found). If you are going to use pppd(8), edit the necessary scripts and change "tun0" for "ppp0". Greetings. _ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Dec 21 19:10: 7 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 19:10:04 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AB3F37B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:10:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBM3A4x74674; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:10:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:10:04 -0800 (PST) Resent-Message-Id: <200012220310.eBM3A4x74674@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Management) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Resent-Reply-To: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org, rdm@cfcl.com Received: from cfcl.com (cpe-024-221-169-054.ca.sprintbbd.net [24.221.169.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2758837B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:02:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rdm@localhost) by cfcl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA88929; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:00:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm) Message-Id: <200012220300.TAA88929@cfcl.com> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:00:52 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Morin Reply-To: rdm@cfcl.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/23742: poor grammar in calendar(1) man page Resent-Sender: gnats@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 23742 >Category: docs >Synopsis: poor grammar in calendar(1) man page >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Dec 21 19:10:00 PST 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Rich Morin >Release: FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386 >Organization: Canta Forda Computer Laboratory >Environment: FreeBSD cfcl.com 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Fri Jul 28 14:30:31 GMT 2000 jkh@ref4.freebsd.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC i386 >Description: The ``calendar'' file is preprocessed by cpp(1), allowing the inclusion of shared files such as company holidays or meetings. --- The ``calendar'' file is preprocessed by cpp(1), allowing the inclusion of shared files such as lists of company holidays or meetings. >How-To-Repeat: man calendar >Fix: edit, as above >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Dec 21 19:27:25 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 19:27:23 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ggong-unix.eng.salesforce.com (unknown [63.150.46.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A4B37B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:27:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ggongws ([10.0.10.148]) by ggong-unix.eng.salesforce.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id eBM3RNZ70708 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:27:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ggong@cal.alumni.berkeley.edu) Message-ID: <00c401c06bc7$22a868a0$940a000a@ggongws> From: "Gilbert Gong" To: Subject: Fw: Sitting on hands (no longer Re: FreeBSD vs Linux, Solaris, a Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:27:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This mailing list is not mentioned in the handbook.. > Subscribe to the freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org mailing list and make some noise. :) > > > Steve B. > > -- > > John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ > PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc > "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Dec 21 19:51:23 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 19:51:19 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from green.h.chiba-u.ac.jp (green.h.chiba-u.ac.jp [133.82.193.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF5F37B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:51:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from midori (econ2.h.chiba-u.ac.jp [133.82.193.221]) by green.h.chiba-u.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W/99032417) with SMTP id MAA15803; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:37:29 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:47:40 +0900 From: "IIZUKA, Satomi" <97h3001@green.h.chiba-u.ac.jp> To: 97h3001@green.h.chiba-u.ac.jp Subject: My thesis study requires your help. Message-Id: <3A42CEDC2A8.E6EC97H3001@133.82.193.2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.26.05 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sir or Madam: My name is Satomi Iizuka, a fourth-year student majoring agricultural economics at Chiba University in Japan. I appreciate it very, very much if you kindly read the following question and send back your answer to me. The purpose of this survey is to collect information for my thesis (Bachelor of Agriculture). You may give me your answer by just returning this mail. Needless to say, any answer/information that you give me will never be used in other purposes except for my thesis, and even in my thesis it will be used only in some aggregate forms, such as summations, means, etc., and never in the form of individual data. I should also mention that I obtained your e-mail address through using a software MailRipperLE that collects address from open-access homepage. Deep appreciation for your kind cooperation. Satomi Iizuka Student Department of Agricultural Economics, Chiba University Homepage is http://vert.h.chiba-u.ac.jp/agecon/IndexE/index.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- * Please read the following narrative and scenario, and answer a voting question. NATURE AND DEVELOPMENT: HOW DO YOU THINK? [A World Heritage Site: YAKUSHIMA] Yakusihima-island, the total area of about 500km2, is situated in the southern part of Japan. Having various climatic zones from subtropical to temperate, this island is endowed with a numbers of flora and fauna species, including some Yakushima -island-specific speicies, in its forests ranging from mangrove to cedar. The world famous Jomon-sugi, the cedar tree of 3000 years old, is in its cedar forest. The Jomon- sugi and the surrounding area were designated as a world heritage in 1993. Every year, many people visit this island attracted by the Jomon- sugi and other nature's gifts in the world heritage site. However, it is difficult for children and elder people to get access to the Jomon-sugi, because it is situated in a deep forest. Let us suppose that we construct a road to get easy access to the Jomon-sugi. Further suppose that the at most care to preserve the environment will be taken in the road construction project. There is however some possibility that this road construction project may destroy the ecosystem in the heritage site as well as the island as a whole, resulting in the total extinction of a certain island-specific species of flora or fauna. More visitors may end up with more garbage, more water pollution, and the general degradation of the rich natural environment, which may eventually endanger the world heritage site itself. On the other hand, however, the road construction may open more opportunities for children and elders to expose themselves to the precious natural resources. More visitors would also mean more revenues to the local economy of Yakushima-island, which has been suffering from de-population and declining economy. ----------------------- Will you copy the following part and paste it in your return mail, after answering the questions? 1: Do you agree this construction of road? (Pls. erase one of the following.) YES / NO 2: Additional questions (pls. erase or write in) Q1: Country of domicile: ( ) Q2: Ethnic group: (White Black Asian) Q3: Sex: (Male Female) Q4: Education (total years of scooling since the primary level): ( years) Q5: Approximately annual income: (US $ / year or , in local currency /year) Q6: Marital status: (Married Single) Q7: Your status/position in your institution: (Teacher / researcher, Ordinary/supporting stuff, student) Q8: In case your are a teacher / researcher / student , Your field of specialty( ) Thank you very much for your cooperation. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Dec 21 22: 0:13 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 22:00:04 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5A337B402 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:00:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBM604M98063; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:00:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:00:04 -0800 (PST) Resent-Message-Id: <200012220600.eBM604M98063@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Management) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Resent-Reply-To: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org, andrew@ugh.net.au Received: from starbug.ugh.net.au (starbug.ugh.net.au [203.31.238.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20CDC37B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:54:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by starbug.ugh.net.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3B261A809; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:54:27 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <20001222055427.3B261A809@starbug.ugh.net.au> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:54:27 +1100 (EST) From: andrew@ugh.net.au Reply-To: andrew@ugh.net.au To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/23745: man page for vcount(9) Resent-Sender: gnats@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 23745 >Category: docs >Synopsis: man page for vcount(9) >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Dec 21 22:00:01 PST 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Andrew >Release: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 >Organization: UgH! >Environment: >Description: When trying to understand a part of the kernel I found a number of undocumented functions. I documented vcount based on the comments in the code...I think I've got it right but haven't manged to get any reviewers as yet. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: .\" -*- nroff -*- .\" .\" Copyright (c) 2000 Andrew Stevenson .\" .\" All rights reserved. .\" .\" This program is free software. .\" .\" Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without .\" modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions .\" are met: .\" 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright .\" notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. .\" 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright .\" notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the .\" documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. .\" .\" THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE DEVELOPERS ``AS IS'' AND ANY EXPRESS OR .\" IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES .\" OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. .\" IN NO EVENT SHALL THE DEVELOPERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, .\" INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT .\" NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, .\" DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY .\" THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT .\" (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF .\" THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE. .\" .\" .\" If this man page travels to places exotic (like projects other than .\" FreeBSD) I would love to hear about it. .\" Andrew .\" .\" $Id$ .\" .Dd November 4th, 2000 .Os .Dt VCOUNT 9 .Sh NAME .Nm vcount , .Nm count_dev .Nd get total number of references to a device. .Sh SYNOPSIS .Fd #include .Fd #include .Fd #include .Ft int .Fn vcount "struct vnode *vp" .Ft int .Fn count_dev "dev_t dev" .Sh DESCRIPTION .Fn vcount is used to get the number of users of (code with references to) a particular device. It allows for the fact that multiple vnodes may reference the same device. .Fn count_dev does the same thing as vcount but takes a dev_t rather than a vnode pointer as an argument. .Sh RETURN VALUES .Fn vcount and .Fn count_dev both return the number of users of the device. .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr VFS 9 , .Xr vnode 9 , .Pa src/sys/kern/vfs_subr.c .Sh AUTHORS This man page was written by .An Andrew Stevenson . >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Dec 21 22:39:56 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 22:39:55 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from envy.rpi.net.au (unknown [203.87.62.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38A737B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:39:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by envy.rpi.net.au (Postfix, from userid 1233) id 4CC1E131; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:21:01 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by envy.rpi.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C24EB for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:21:01 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:21:01 +1100 (EST) From: Salih Kulic To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Translation. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I would like to translate INSTALLATION and other documents into Bosnian. Bosnian is also readable by Croatian and Serbian (actually it was same langauge before stupid war started). Heh, maybe it's childish of me to ask this .. but i would like freebsd.org email address in return. :)) I know only hard core developers get it, but I am using FreeBSD for so long and it would be great. :)) Anyway, Yours sincerely -- kula To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 22 0: 9: 7 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 22 00:09:06 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cfcl.com (cpe-024-221-169-054.ca.sprintbbd.net [24.221.169.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B6C37B400 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 00:09:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.168.205] (cerberus [192.168.168.205]) by cfcl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA91893 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 00:07:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:47:07 -0800 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Rich Morin Subject: /usr/share/doc/{en*,fr*,ja*,ru*} Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there some reason why ja_JP.eucJP is a symlink to ja? For all of the other languages, the short forms are the links. With new languages coming on board, it would seem appropriate to decide which way the links should go... -r -- -- Rich Morin: rdm@cfcl.com, +1 650-873-7841, http://www.cfcl.com/rdm Prime Time Freeware: info@ptf.com, +1 408-433-9662, http://www.ptf.com MacPerl: http://www.macperl.com, http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/MPPE MkLinux: http://www.mklinux.org, http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/MKLP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 22 1: 9:54 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 22 01:09:50 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from Awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [194.222.196.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F232A37B402; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 01:09:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (root@hak.lan.awfulhak.org [172.16.0.12]) by Awfulhak.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBM99n508050; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:09:49 GMT (envelope-from brian@lan.awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBLNOov00570; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:24:50 GMT (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200012212324.eBLNOov00570@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Greg Lehey Cc: Warner Losh , Ruslan Ermilov , Kazuo Horikawa , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, brian@Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: mdoc police and MAINTAINER (was Re: cvs commit: src/sbin/ffsinfo ffsinfo.8 src/sbin/init init.8 src/sbin/sysctl sysctl.8) In-Reply-To: Message from Greg Lehey of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:33:47 +1030." <20001221143347.F53393@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:24:50 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Here, there's no MAINTAINER so Ruslan's question about why you > > backed out his change is valid. > > I answered that question. I keep a separate tree for Vinum (so > technically, I suppose it's a vendor branch or some such). I make > changes to that tree, and occasionally I get out of sync. In this > case, it happened to DES as well, but he didn't make as much noise. ppp is in the same boat. Ruslan has done the same amount of good/evil to that (ppp's man page is now different in OpenBSD - and NetBSD if they ever chose to import it).... I looked at the patches and decided that what Ruslan did was a benefit and therefore didn't say anything - I'm pretty sure Ruslan did the same (we're now in a position where we can argue that FreeBSD is right and {Net,Open}BSD is wrong). IMHO being able to say ``.Nm .'' is a good thing. I don't think anyone should chastise Ruslan for progression ! > Greg > -- > Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > See complete headers for address and phone numbers -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 22 1:10: 7 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 22 01:09:58 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from Awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [194.222.196.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F086F37B400; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 01:09:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (root@hak.lan.awfulhak.org [172.16.0.12]) by Awfulhak.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBM99n508053; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:09:49 GMT (envelope-from brian@lan.awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBLNVSv00601; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:31:28 GMT (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200012212331.eBLNVSv00601@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Nik Clayton Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Greg Lehey , Ruslan Ermilov , Kazuo Horikawa , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, brian@Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: mdoc police and MAINTAINER (was Re: cvs commit: src/sbin/ffsinfo ffsinfo.8 src/sbin/init init.8 src/sbin/sysctl sysctl.8) In-Reply-To: Message from Nik Clayton of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:27:09 GMT." <20001221132708.A61525@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:31:28 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Chaps, > > On Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 11:28:47AM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Greg Lehey writes: > > > MAINTAINER= tomsoft@FreeBSD.ORG, chm@FreeBSD.ORG > > > > > > Why did you not respect MAINTAINER? > > > > Because documentation commits (especially pure mdoc style commits like > > those Ruslan do) are exempt. > > To clarify this (ironically, it's not written down anywhere), I would > expect -doc committers to use the same level of common sense as other > committers do when touching anything with a MAINTAINER label. > > Personally, that means anything from just going ahead and doing it, as > Ruslan did, through to taking the time to contact the MAINTAINER and run > the change past them for review. > > That does not mean that "All -doc committers can ignore MAINTAINER" any > more than any other committer can ignore MAINTAINER. > > Inevitably this is going to lead to occasional instances where something > gets committed over. Shit happens, people make mistakes, and we should > be able to resolve these without jumping up and waving MAINTAINER every > time. > > In the case of mass commits as Ruslan and others have done, a HEADS UP > notice in -developers, with a suitable grace period (a week or so, IMHO) > should be sufficient for any comments or queries to surface. I disagree. Ruslan has done FreeBSD an honour in ironing out the stuff he has. I consider it fairly offensive that people have the audacity to complain ! I guess I don't appreciate some people's point of view. > N > -- > Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. > Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, > hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. > Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. > -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 22 1:12: 8 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 22 01:12:06 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com (mailout02.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E8537B400 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 01:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from fwd07.sul.t-online.com by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 149OF8-0008Nn-00; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:12:02 +0100 Received: from neutron.cichlids.com (520050424122-0001@[62.225.195.164]) by fmrl07.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 149OF0-0P2Y88C; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:11:54 +0100 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 588C1AB16; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:12:05 +0100 (CET) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 154C814A72; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:11:55 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:11:54 +0100 To: Rich Morin Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/share/doc/{en*,fr*,ja*,ru*} Message-ID: <20001222101154.A21061@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from rdm@cfcl.com on Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 11:47:07PM -0800 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. From: alex@big.endian.de (Alexander Langer) X-Sender: 520050424122-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Rich Morin (rdm@cfcl.com): > Is there some reason why ja_JP.eucJP is a symlink to ja? > For all of the other languages, the short forms are the links. > With new languages coming on board, it would seem appropriate > to decide which way the links should go... alex:~/work/doc $ ls -l total 13 drwxr-xr-x 2 alex alex 512 4 Dez 12:17 CVS/ -rw-r--r-- 1 alex alex 1245 24 Sep 15:27 Makefile -rw-r--r-- 1 alex alex 377 13 Apr 2000 README drwxr-xr-x 5 alex alex 512 11 Aug 14:17 de_DE.ISO_8859-1/ drwxr-xr-x 6 alex alex 512 19 Dez 13:56 en_US.ISO_8859-1/ drwxr-xr-x 6 alex alex 512 8 Jun 2000 es_ES.ISO_8859-1/ drwxr-xr-x 6 alex alex 512 8 Jun 2000 fr_FR.ISO_8859-1/ drwxr-xr-x 7 alex alex 512 4 Dez 12:20 ja_JP.eucJP/ drwxr-xr-x 4 alex alex 512 19 Dez 18:11 nl_NL.ISO_8859-1/ drwxr-xr-x 5 alex alex 512 4 Dez 12:20 ru_RU.KOI8-R/ drwxr-xr-x 7 alex alex 512 4 Dez 12:20 share/ drwxr-xr-x 6 alex alex 512 4 Dez 12:20 zh_TW.Big5/ :-) look again. Alex -- cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 22 1:38:19 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 22 01:38:16 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 335AF37B402; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 01:37:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eBM9ZSC07613; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:35:28 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:35:28 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Brian Somers Cc: Greg Lehey , Warner Losh , Kazuo Horikawa , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mdoc police and MAINTAINER (was Re: cvs commit: src/sbin/ffsinfo ffsinfo.8 src/sbin/init init.8 src/sbin/sysctl sysctl.8) Message-ID: <20001222113528.A6764@sunbay.com> Mail-Followup-To: Brian Somers , Greg Lehey , Warner Losh , Kazuo Horikawa , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org References: <200012212324.eBLNOov00570@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200012212324.eBLNOov00570@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org>; from brian@Awfulhak.org on Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 11:24:50PM +0000 Sender: ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 11:24:50PM +0000, Brian Somers wrote: > > > Here, there's no MAINTAINER so Ruslan's question about why you > > > backed out his change is valid. > > > > I answered that question. I keep a separate tree for Vinum (so > > technically, I suppose it's a vendor branch or some such). I make > > changes to that tree, and occasionally I get out of sync. In this > > case, it happened to DES as well, but he didn't make as much noise. > > ppp is in the same boat. Ruslan has done the same amount of > good/evil to that (ppp's man page is now different in OpenBSD - and > NetBSD if they ever chose to import it).... I looked at the patches > and decided that what Ruslan did was a benefit and therefore didn't > say anything - I'm pretty sure Ruslan did the same (we're now in a > position where we can argue that FreeBSD is right and {Net,Open}BSD > is wrong). > > IMHO being able to say ``.Nm .'' is a good thing. I don't think > anyone should chastise Ruslan for progression ! > This feature is now standard, and will be in Groff 1.17's mdocNG, which should be released near the Christmas. I am sure NetBSD and OpenBSD will start using the mdocNG too, since it is really cool compared with the current mdoc(7). After we resolve one nasty issue left with mdocNG, I will post a brief summary of forthcoming (in mdocNG) changes and benefits. There is also a new mdoc.reference(7) manpage, which is much more informative than current mdoc(7) and mdoc.samples(7). Cheers, -- Ruslan Ermilov Oracle Developer/DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 22 5:31:47 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 22 05:31:46 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DA7437B400 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 05:31:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 38409 invoked by uid 1003); 22 Dec 2000 13:31:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:31:35 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Rich Morin Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: /usr/share/doc/{en*,fr*,ja*,ru*} Message-ID: <20001222153135.A35560@mithrandr.moria.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from rdm@cfcl.com on Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 11:47:07PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386 X-URL: http://mithrandr.moria.org/nbm/ Sender: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu 2000-12-21 (23:47), Rich Morin wrote: > Is there some reason why ja_JP.eucJP is a symlink to ja? > For all of the other languages, the short forms are the links. > With new languages coming on board, it would seem appropriate > to decide which way the links should go... I can't remember the details, but the Japanese documentors wanted to retain it the way it had been, with ja/ being the main directory. The rest are the "correct" way for new languages. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 22 8:50:12 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 22 08:50:06 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com (mailout04.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B997237B404 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:50:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from fwd06.sul.t-online.com by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 149VOF-0003is-01; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:49:55 +0100 Received: from neutron.cichlids.com (520050424122-0001@[62.225.195.200]) by fmrl06.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 149VNq-1PIkgyC; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:49:30 +0100 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D98AB0C; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:49:43 +0100 (CET) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DAE7B14A72; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:49:32 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:49:32 +0100 From: Alexander Langer To: Rich Morin Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/share/doc/{en*,fr*,ja*,ru*} Message-ID: <20001222174932.E2743@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <20001222101154.A21061@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001222101154.A21061@cichlids.cichlids.com>; from alex@big.endian.de on Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 10:11:54AM +0100 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. X-Sender: 520050424122-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Alexander Langer (alex@big.endian.de): > :-) look again. 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Resent-Sender: gnats@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 23767 >Category: docs >Synopsis: ifconfig(8) manual page does not document the ``ether'' parameter. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Dec 22 09:40:00 PST 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Maxime Henrion >Release: >Organization: >Environment: >Description: ifconfig ``ether'' command is not documented. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Apply this patch : *** ifconfig.8.old Fri Dec 22 18:31:12 2000 --- ifconfig.8 Fri Dec 22 18:32:11 2000 *************** *** 188,193 **** --- 188,195 ---- transmit messages through that interface. If possible, the interface will be reset to disable reception as well. This action does not automatically disable routes using the interface. + .It Cm ether Ar addr + Another name for the ``lladdr'' parameter. .\" .It Cm ipdst .\" This is used to specify an Internet host who is willing to receive .\" ip packets encapsulating NS packets bound for a remote network. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 22 11:10:11 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 22 11:10:08 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254BA37B404 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:10:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBMJA8Z08738; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:10:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:10:08 -0800 (PST) Resent-Message-Id: <200012221910.eBMJA8Z08738@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Management) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Resent-Reply-To: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org, rdm@cfcl.com Received: from cfcl.com (cpe-024-221-169-054.ca.sprintbbd.net [24.221.169.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B40D37B400 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:03:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rdm@localhost) by cfcl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA98988; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:01:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm) Message-Id: <200012221901.LAA98988@cfcl.com> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:01:35 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Morin Reply-To: rdm@cfcl.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/23769: /usr/share/examples/atapi is empty Resent-Sender: gnats@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 23769 >Category: docs >Synopsis: /usr/share/examples/atapi is empty >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Dec 22 11:10:00 PST 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Rich Morin >Release: FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386 >Organization: Canta Forda Computer Laboratory >Environment: FreeBSD cfcl.com 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Fri Jul 28 14:30:31 GMT 2000 jkh@ref4.freebsd.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC i386 >Description: The /usr/share/examples/atapi directory is empty. >How-To-Repeat: ls -a /usr/share/examples/atapi >Fix: Either remove the directory ot put something useful in it. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 22 13:10:13 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 22 13:10:09 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5095D37B402 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:10:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBMLA9840050; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:10:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:10:09 -0800 (PST) Resent-Message-Id: <200012222110.eBMLA9840050@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Management) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Resent-Reply-To: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org, rdm@cfcl.com Received: from cfcl.com (cpe-024-221-169-054.ca.sprintbbd.net [24.221.169.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 281BB37B402 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:03:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rdm@localhost) by cfcl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02194; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:01:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm) Message-Id: <200012222101.NAA02194@cfcl.com> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:01:39 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Morin Reply-To: rdm@cfcl.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/23772: /usr/share/examples/svr4 is empty Resent-Sender: gnats@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 23772 >Category: docs >Synopsis: /usr/share/examples/svr4 is empty >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Dec 22 13:10:01 PST 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Rich Morin >Release: FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386 >Organization: Canta Forda Computer Laboratory >Environment: FreeBSD cfcl.com 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Fri Jul 28 14:30:31 GMT 2000 jkh@ref4.freebsd.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC i386 >Description: The /usr/share/examples/svr4 directory is empty. >How-To-Repeat: ls -a /usr/share/examples/svr4 >Fix: Either remove the directory or put something useful in it. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 22 14:23:12 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 22 14:23:11 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc2.mi.home.com (ha1.rdc2.mi.home.com [24.2.68.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD13137B400 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:23:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([24.19.109.32]) by mail.rdc2.mi.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001222222309.QVS7700.mail.rdc2.mi.home.com@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:23:09 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 18:29:20 -0400 Subject: Macintosh From: "FRANK J BROWN" To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20001222222309.QVS7700.mail.rdc2.mi.home.com@[192.168.1.101]> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What Mac's are supported? Thanks Frank To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 22 15:24: 2 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 22 15:24:01 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (unknown [198.79.110.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D96A237B400 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:23:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20859; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:25:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.svbug.com) Message-Id: <200012222325.PAA20859@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:25:01 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Subject: Re: Macintosh To: frankojb@home.com Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20001222222309.QVS7700.mail.rdc2.mi.home.com@[192.168.1.101]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: jessem@spammie.svbug.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 22 Dec, FRANK J BROWN wrote: > What Mac's are supported? > Thanks > Frank > > Apple Macintosh are not technically support by FreeBSD. However, Apple does provide an Open Source OS for the Macintosh. Details are available at: http://publicsource.apple.com/ Please email me personally if you have more questions. Jessem. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 22 16: 9:30 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 22 16:09:28 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A3437B400 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:09:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 196706AB6E; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 10:39:23 +1030 (CST) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 10:39:23 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Salih Kulic Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Translation. Message-ID: <20001223103923.A64598@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from kula@envy.rpi.net.au on Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 04:21:01PM +1100 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 22 December 2000 at 16:21:01 +1100, Salih Kulic wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to translate INSTALLATION and other documents into > Bosnian. Bosnian is also readable by Croatian and Serbian (actually > it was same langauge before stupid war started). Hmm. The last thing I want to do is to fan any flames, but isn't that the language we know as Serbo-Croat? Anyway, I'm sure that you'll get all the support you need for this. > Heh, maybe it's childish of me to ask this .. but i would like > freebsd.org email address in return. :)) I know only hard core > developers get it, but I am using FreeBSD for so long and it would > be great. :)) You get the address when you get a commit bit. The rules for committers in the doc project are different from other parts of the tree. Nik Clayton will be able to give you more details. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 22 19:30: 9 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 22 19:30:01 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C481C37B404 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:30:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBN3U1l95656; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:30:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:30:01 -0800 (PST) Resent-Message-Id: <200012230330.eBN3U1l95656@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Management) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Resent-Reply-To: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org, dima@unixfreak.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4D937B400 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:20:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from spike.unixfreak.org (spike [192.168.2.4]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C1E3E0B for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:20:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dima@localhost) by spike.unixfreak.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBN3KDN14505; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:20:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dima) Message-Id: <200012230320.eBN3KDN14505@spike.unixfreak.org> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:20:13 -0800 (PST) From: dima@unixfreak.org Reply-To: dima@unixfreak.org To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/23787: [PATCH] New FAQ entry about icmp-response bandwidth limit Resent-Sender: gnats@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 23787 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] New FAQ entry about icmp-response bandwidth limit >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Dec 22 19:30:01 PST 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-20001219-CURRENT i386 >Organization: Private >Environment: System: FreeBSD spike.unixfreak.org 5.0-20001219-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-20001219-CURRENT #0: Tue Dec 19 20:42:22 PST 2000 dima@spike.unixfreak.org:/usr/home/dima/w/f/src/sys/compile/SPIKE i386 >Description: The kernel limits ICMP and TCP RST responses to lessen the effect of denial of service attacks and other malicious practices. The message emmited when the limit takes effect is something like "icmp-response bandwidth limit 300/200 pps". For some reason, the "response" part escapes people the they read it, causing them to think their bandwidth is limited, and complain on freebsd-questions. >How-To-Repeat: Read freebsd-questions for a while. >Fix: Apply the following patch to doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml. Index: book.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /st/src/FreeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.129 diff -u -r1.129 book.sgml --- book.sgml 2000/12/05 13:18:16 1.129 +++ book.sgml 2000/12/23 00:28:10 @@ -8023,6 +8023,63 @@ + + + + What are these messages about icmp-response + bandwidth limit 300/200 pps in my log + files? + + + + This is the kernel telling you that some activity is + provoking it to send more ICMP or TCP reset (RST) + responses than it thinks it should. ICMP responses are + often generated as a result of attempted connections to + unused UDP ports. TCP resets are generated as a result of + attempted connections to unopened TCP ports. Among + others, these are the kinds of activities which may cause + these messages: + + + + Brute-force denial of service (DoS) attacks (as + opposed to single-packet attacks which exploit a + specific vulnerability). + + + + Port scans which attempt to connect to every port + possible (as opposed to only trying some well-known + ports). + + + + The first number in the message tells you how many + packets the kernel would've sent if the limit wasn't in + place, and the second number tells you the limit. You can + control the limit using the + net.inet.icmp.icmplim sysctl variable + like this, where 300 is the limit in + packets per second: + + &prompt.root; sysctl -w net.inet.icmp.icmplim=300 + + If you don't want to see messages about this in your + log files, but you still want the kernel to do response + limiting, you can use the + net.inet.icmp.icmplim_output sysctl + variable to disable the output like this: + + &prompt.root; sysctl -w net.inet.icmp.icmplim_output=0 + + Finally, if you want to disable response limiting, you + can set the net.inet.icmp.icmplim + sysctl variable (see above for an example) to + 0. Disabling response limiting is + discouraged for the reasons listed above. + + >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 22 20:48:53 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 22 20:48:52 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D5F37B400; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 20:48:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from holly.calldei.com ([208.191.149.190]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G60004Z963TKP@mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:07:05 -0600 (CST) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.calldei.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05848; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:08:29 -0600 (CST envelope-from chris) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 22:08:28 -0600 From: Chris Costello Subject: mdoc(7)NG (Re: cvs commit: src/gnu/usr.bin/tar tar.1 tar.c) In-reply-to: <20001222133430.A19115@sunbay.com> To: ru@FreeBSD.org Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <20001222220828.C3922@holly.calldei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.4i References: <200012221125.eBMBPIG54553@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001222133430.A19115@sunbay.com> Sender: chris@holly.calldei.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, December 22, 2000, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > When you modify the contents of the manual, please update the .Dd as well. When did _this_ change? .Dd was supposed to be when the document was _written_, not the last revision. I haven't yet seen a HEADS UP to -doc about any of your changing of the rules out from under our feet. -- +-------------------+----------------------------------------------+ | Chris Costello | Can I yell "movie" in a crowded firehouse?? | | chris@calldei.com | | +-------------------+----------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 22 21:47:16 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 22 21:47:14 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from web9615.mail.yahoo.com (web9615.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 81FFB37B400 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 21:47:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20001223054714.5037.qmail@web9615.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.113.102.67] by web9615.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 21:47:14 PST Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 21:47:14 -0800 (PST) From: Phat Pham Reply-To: jb_pham@yahoo.com Subject: Help for setup network To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: jb_pham@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Do you have any document that helps to setup two or/and three network cards in one FreeBSD box? Any information is helpful. I'm appreciated for your help. Thanks and have a great holiday season. Phat Pham. jb_pham@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Dec 22 23:30:49 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 22 23:30:47 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513AA37B404 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 23:30:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from Dmx01838636744@aol.com by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.35.) id n.c4.d8f2bed (3893) for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 02:30:44 -0500 (EST) From: Dmx01838636744@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 02:30:44 EST Subject: sal To: doc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org sal durso 12619 pierre baillargeon montreal hie 4v1 quebec canada To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Dec 23 1:22:54 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 23 01:22:53 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from white.imgsrc.co.jp (ns.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F400A37B400 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 01:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp (waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.160]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBN9MMZ33333; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 18:22:31 +0900 (JST) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 18:22:18 +0900 Message-ID: <7msnnf8pbp.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: Rich Morin , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/share/doc/{en*,fr*,ja*,ru*} In-Reply-To: <20001222153135.A35560@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <20001222153135.A35560@mithrandr.moria.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.3.92 (Roam) SEMI/1.13.7 (Awazu) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) MULE XEmacs/21.1 (patch 12) (Channel Islands) (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.13.7 - "Awazu") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 22 Dec 2000 13:34:30 GMT, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > I can't remember the details, but the Japanese documentors wanted to > retain it the way it had been, with ja/ being the main directory. 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--38YP68GP54VB48XB98SF04CV-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Dec 23 9:25: 4 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 23 09:25:02 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cfcl.com (unknown [24.221.169.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E9737B400 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 09:25:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.168.205] (cerberus [192.168.168.205]) by cfcl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23334 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 09:23:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7msnnf8pbp.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> References: <20001222153135.A35560@mithrandr.moria.org> <7msnnf8pbp.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 09:23:01 -0800 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org From: Rich Morin Subject: Re: /usr/share/doc/{en*,fr*,ja*,ru*} Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 6:22 PM +0900 12/23/00, Jun Kuriyama wrote: >Yes, "ja" is there by historical reason. Well, I can't think of any _strong_ reason to swap the symlink for the directory, but it does make the general rule murky. Actually, that directory tree needs a general clean-up and re- organization; perhaps the ja problem could be dealt with as part of a general reshuffling. Is anyone brave enough to suggest a new arrangement for the directory? -r -- -- Rich Morin: rdm@cfcl.com, +1 650-873-7841, http://www.cfcl.com/rdm Prime Time Freeware: info@ptf.com, +1 408-433-9662, http://www.ptf.com MacPerl: http://www.macperl.com, http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/MPPE MkLinux: http://www.mklinux.org, http://www.ptf.com/ptf/products/MKLP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Dec 23 9:53:30 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 23 09:53:28 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from worldonline.be (pluto.worldonline.be [212.233.1.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2EC337B400 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 09:53:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from lambert (dp42-214.worldonline.be [212.233.42.214]) by worldonline.be (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA25402 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 18:52:32 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <007b01c06033$c4987be0$d62ae9d4@lambert> From: "Philippe Lambert" To: Subject: Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 10:55:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0078_01C0603C.25BCAC40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C0603C.25BCAC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bonjour,je viens d'acheter un appareil photo num=E9rique Hp et il se = connecte sur mon ordi sur port s=E9rie.Mon probl=E8me est que mes 2 = ports s=E9rie sont occup=E9s.Dois je en rajouter? Si oui,comment,ou dois = je le connect=E9 =E0 l'int=E9rieur de l'ordi? Combien ca coute? Et = comment installe t on ce nouveau port? Je vous remercie infiniment. (je suis sous Win 98) Voici mon adresse: andre.lambert@worldonline.be=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C0603C.25BCAC40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C0603C.25BCAC40-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Dec 23 10:23:40 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 23 10:23:37 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts7.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5137937B69B for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 10:23:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from sympatico.ca ([64.230.226.121]) by tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001223182333.KQNF1081.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@sympatico.ca>; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 13:23:33 -0500 Message-ID: <3A44EDFD.400B196F@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 13:25:02 -0500 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E9lix=2DAntoine?= Paradis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philippe Lambert , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Port =?iso-8859-1?Q?s=E9rie?= References: <007b01c06033$c4987be0$d62ae9d4@lambert> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bonjour, Premi�rement, je crois que tu t'es tromp� de liste. C'est la liste de documentation de FreeBSD (system d'exploitation bas� sur 4.4BSD, qui est une version d'UNIX). Premi�rement, je crois que tu peux d�connecter un des appareil qui est connect� � ton port s�rie pour l'utiliser le temps que tu branche ton appareil photo. Apr�s, tu as juste � reconnecter l'ancien appareil dans le port. Mais, pour ajouter un port s�rie, faut que tu regardes si ta carte-m�re le support. Regarde dans le livre utilisateur. Je n'ai aucune id�e combien un port s�rie co�te en francs belge (je suis canadien). Tu peux avoir ces informations dans un centre de distribution de pi�ces proche de chez toi, et il doit y avoir un guide utilisateur. Bonne journ�e! F�lix-Antoine Paradis Philippe Lambert a �crit : > Bonjour,je viens d'acheter un appareil photo num�rique Hp et il se > connecte sur mon ordi sur port s�rie.Mon probl�me est que mes 2 ports > s�rie sont occup�s.Dois je en rajouter? Si oui,comment,ou dois je le > connect� � l'int�rieur de l'ordi? Combien ca coute? Et comment > installe t on ce nouveau port? Je vous remercie infiniment.(je suis > sous Win 98)Voici mon adresse: andre.lambert@worldonline.be To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Dec 23 10:43:36 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 23 10:43:35 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 38B6837B400 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 10:43:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 58791 invoked by uid 1003); 23 Dec 2000 18:43:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 20:43:29 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Rich Morin Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /usr/share/doc/{en*,fr*,ja*,ru*} Message-ID: <20001223204328.A57711@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <20001222153135.A35560@mithrandr.moria.org> <7msnnf8pbp.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from rdm@cfcl.com on Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 09:23:01AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386 X-URL: http://mithrandr.moria.org/nbm/ Sender: nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat 2000-12-23 (09:23), Rich Morin wrote: > At 6:22 PM +0900 12/23/00, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > >Yes, "ja" is there by historical reason. > > Well, I can't think of any _strong_ reason to swap the symlink > for the directory, but it does make the general rule murky. > > Actually, that directory tree needs a general clean-up and re- > organization; perhaps the ja problem could be dealt with as part > of a general reshuffling. Is anyone brave enough to suggest > a new arrangement for the directory? What sort of clean-up? Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Dec 23 11:56:46 2000 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 23 11:56:44 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cfcl.com (unknown [24.221.169.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798BE37B400 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 11:56:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.168.205] (cerberus [192.168.168.205]) by cfcl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24921 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 11:55:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20001223204328.A57711@mithrandr.moria.org> References: