From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 20 0:35:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from spirit.jaded.net (liv3-3.hamilton.idirect.com [209.161.208.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D7137BE91 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 00:35:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@spirit.jaded.net) Received: (from dan@localhost) by spirit.jaded.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11154; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 03:35:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 03:35:33 -0500 From: Dan Moschuk To: Egervary Gergely Cc: "David E. Cross" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SBLive... anyone, anywhere? Message-ID: <20000220033533.A11106@spirit.jaded.net> References: <200002170735.CAA75156@cs.rpi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from mauzi@faber.poli.hu on Thu, Feb 17, 2000 at 09:33:33AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG | > There was some mention in the SBLive earlier this year (January), whatever | > became of it? I checked www.posi.net and I do not see the driver listed | > there at all. Pointers/suggestions? | | it's listed there. | the guy does not reply the mails, however | | -- mauzi I've taken this over from Cameron starting yesterday actually. I hope to finish it in the next couple of weeks. When it's done, you can expect a post. :-) -Dan -- Dan Moschuk (TFreak!dan@freebsd.org) "Waste not fresh tears on old griefs." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 20 0:45:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE3537BE8D for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 00:45:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adsharma@c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26099; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 00:45:01 -0800 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 00:45:01 -0800 From: Arun Sharma To: Patryk Zadarnowski Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 64bit OS? Message-ID: <20000220004500.A25718@sharmas.dhs.org> References: <20000219205850.A24847@sharmas.dhs.org> <200002200528.QAA04257@mycenae.ilion.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <200002200528.QAA04257@mycenae.ilion.eu.org>; from Patryk Zadarnowski on Sun, Feb 20, 2000 at 04:28:51PM +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Feb 20, 2000 at 04:28:51PM +1100, Patryk Zadarnowski wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 20, 2000 at 01:48:49PM +1100, Patryk Zadarnowski wrote: > > > > It looks like the hardware has to implement GPTs and know how to > > > > walk them. How can FreeBSD use them without hardware support ? > > > > > > No it doesn't. We've got software GPT implementations for both MIPS64 and > > > Alpha, and they're both peform very well in our somewhat hostile SASOS > > > conditions. I'm not sure why you think that a hardware walk is necessary: > > > > For performance reasons and memory efficiency reasons. My understanding of > > We must be careful here. Although you're getting a samll immediate performance > gain by not flushing the pipelines, the performance is killed if the working > set is larger than the TLB (as it usually is on a moderately-loaded system, > especially in presence of heavy IPC (eg. UNIX pipes)), in which case a smarter > data structure will usually increase the TLB coverage. The TLB (VHPT in the case of IA-64) can be made large to reduce the misses. Also, in the case of a VHPT miss, the software hander need not be any more expensive than it would have been in the absence of the VHPT. > > And don't forget that with VHPT you'll be getting nested TLB faults quite > frequently in a sparsely-populated page table (think shared libraries). > That's true only for the short format. Not for the long format. > which has an MMU vaguely resembling that of IA-64.). Besides, doesn't Linux > duplicate the structure anyway even when it uses a hardware-walked page table? No. L3 page tables are mapped into the linear page table. So the hardware walker just walks Linux L3 page tables. > before.) Besides, the amount of space saved due to a smarter page table data > structure more than compensates for the additional memory anyway. Agree. > > I think that's an important reason. A software only TLB miss handler > > would be inferior to a VHPT based solution on IA-64, IMO. > > It's the only justification Rumi Zahir (head of the IA-64 team) gave me when I > was complaining about it. (as in: ``why bother? 64 bit page tables are an > open problem and no other 64 bit platform I know of provides a hardware page > table walk''. BTW, does anoone know if HP-PA and IBM 64bit PPC implement a > hardware PT walk? I can't get the data on IBM's 64 bit Power3. But on 32 bit architectures, they use a hardware page walker. Researching more, I found someone who agrees with you about smart software page tables being better than hardware table walkers. http://hq.fsmlabs.com/~cort/papers/linuxppc-mm/html/ But I have a hard time beliving that processor architects at major companies are stupid in wasting transistors on hardware table walkers ;) -Arun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 20 4: 5:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD8037BCAD for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 04:05:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from nlsys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.125.33] helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12MV74-000Iu8-0C; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 12:05:22 +0000 Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA40296; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 12:07:35 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 12:05:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Patryk Zadarnowski Cc: Arun Sharma , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 64bit OS? In-Reply-To: <200002200248.NAA03808@mycenae.ilion.eu.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Patryk Zadarnowski wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 20, 2000 at 12:42:14PM +1100, Patryk Zadarnowski wrote: > > > One more thing about GPTs (I thought I'll leave that till last. ;) > > > Jochen Liedtke holds a German patent on them, although he will > > > probably be fairly easily convinced to give FreeBSD rights to use > > > them. I'll be happy to ask (if we're interested.) > > > > It looks like the hardware has to implement GPTs and know how to > > walk them. How can FreeBSD use them without hardware support ? > > No it doesn't. We've got software GPT implementations for both MIPS64 and > Alpha, and they're both peform very well in our somewhat hostile SASOS > conditions. So you have custom PALcode for Alpha on SASOS? We have been able to use OSF1 PALcode up to now which makes life a lot easier for supporting new hardware. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 20 4:10: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57BD637BCAD for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 04:10:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from nlsys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.125.33] helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12MVBc-000Gqm-0W; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 12:10:04 +0000 Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA41737; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 12:12:17 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 12:10:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone? In-Reply-To: <20000220024926.B81021@rohrbach.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Karsten W. Rohrbach wrote: > hi * > this might be a little offtopic... > > > i just messaged the guys from yamaha japan for specs on their pci audio > chipsets to get some decent documentation to start torturing those ymf744 > soundcards. no response. i mailed again. same result. do they actually > read their mail or is this an uncommon thing in .jp? > if there's anyone out there who can tell me how to talk with these guys > please hit me with your suggestions, since i am starting to get very > very pissed about this whole yamaha clan and people from several > continents telling me to ask someone else in another division of their > rotten company... > also if you know who to talk to on these issues, i'd appreciate any > information about contacts there... > I have had more-or-less the same experience. I did get a response which completely misunderstood what I was asking and assumed I wanted the source code to their windows driver. My reply explaining that I really just wanted documentation went unanswered. Sigh. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 20 4:31:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from fLuFFy.iNt.tElE.dK (fw1.inet.tele.dk [193.163.158.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119BD37BBB1 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 04:31:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pedophile@FLUFFY.GETS.AN.ANALPROBE.DK) Received: from localhost (pedophile@localhost) by fLuFFy.iNt.tElE.dK (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA70839; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 13:31:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pedophile@FLUFFY.GETS.AN.ANALPROBE.DK) X-Authentication-Warning: fLuFFy.iNt.tElE.dK: pedophile owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 13:31:09 +0100 (CET) From: BARRY BOUWSMA IS A MASSMURDERER X-Sender: pedophile@fLuFFy.iNt.tElE.dK Reply-To: freebsd-haX0rZ@netscum.dk To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Cc: Andrey Novikov , Brian Dean Subject: Re: Tuning up semaphores in kernel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 13 Feb 19100, Andrey Novikov wrote: > > You probably want to increase either SEMMNI or SEMMNS. > > I've noticed that but why are they so "round"? Is there any corelation > between all these numbers? I don't want to break my kernel by guessing. > > > > options SEMMAP=31 > > > options SEMMNI=11 > > > options SEMMNS=61 > > > options SEMMNU=31 > > > options SEMMSL=61 > > > options SEMOPM=101 > > > options SEMUME=11 I ran into this problem when I was trying to compile and use a useful Linux audio application and I got the ENOSPC error. What I did was to look at the Linux kernel semaphore values, and, since I don't know what I'm doing, I just plugged them into the FreeBSD kernel config file like this... (The values given as examples in the config file are one more than the default, and do not work with that program either) #! options SEMMAP=31 #! options SEMMNI=11 #! options SEMMNS=61 #! options SEMMNU=31 #! options SEMMSL=61 #! options SEMOPM=101 #! options SEMUME=11 options SEMMAP=4096 options SEMMNI=128 options SEMMNS=4096 options SEMMNU=4096 options SEMMSL=32 options SEMOPM=32 options SEMUME=32 Of course, seeing that I do *not* know what I am doing, I haven't played with these values to find a happy medium between the FreeBSD defaults and those used by Linux, with which the audio program works. But I have had no problems with the kernel using these values. Now, I'd like to contribute the hacking and bugfixing I've done on the linux bplay program to someone for review and possible inclusion as a port, but if it doesn't work with the supplied kernel and generic config, I'm not sure what the correct action for me to take would be. Is there a good reason not to tweak the GENERIC/LINT FreeBSD kernel config SEM* definitions upwards to something that will allow the bplay to work out-of-the-box^H^H^Hport? Or should there just be a huge warning that appears when building bplay advising that certain kernel parameters may need tuning before the program has a chance of working, during the compilation/installation, or just somewhere in the ports files where it can be ignored? Otherwise, I can't see that bplay would be particularly useful as a port, but rather as additional software the user could optionally choose to hunt down and install... thanks, barry bouwsma, tele damnark internet -- *** This was posted with the express permission of *** ****************************************************** ** HIS HIGHNESS KAAZMANN LORD AND MASTER OF USENET ** ****************************************************** ********* We are simple servants of his will ********* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 20 4:33:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mycenae.ilion.eu.org (mycenae.ilion.eu.org [203.35.206.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047F537BCAD for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 04:33:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patrykz@ilion.eu.org) Received: from mycenae.ilion.eu.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mycenae.ilion.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04864; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 23:33:10 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from patrykz@mycenae.ilion.eu.org) Message-Id: <200002201233.XAA04864@mycenae.ilion.eu.org> To: Doug Rabson Cc: Arun Sharma , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 64bit OS? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Feb 2000 12:05:30 -0000." Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 23:33:08 +1100 From: Patryk Zadarnowski Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Patryk Zadarnowski wrote: > > > > On Sun, Feb 20, 2000 at 12:42:14PM +1100, Patryk Zadarnowski wrote: > > > > One more thing about GPTs (I thought I'll leave that till last. ;) > > > > Jochen Liedtke holds a German patent on them, although he will > > > > probably be fairly easily convinced to give FreeBSD rights to use > > > > them. I'll be happy to ask (if we're interested.) > > > > > > It looks like the hardware has to implement GPTs and know how to > > > walk them. How can FreeBSD use them without hardware support ? > > > > No it doesn't. We've got software GPT implementations for both MIPS64 and > > Alpha, and they're both peform very well in our somewhat hostile SASOS > > conditions. > > So you have custom PALcode for Alpha on SASOS? We have been able to use > OSF1 PALcode up to now which makes life a lot easier for supporting new > hardware. Sure. Mungi (our SASOS) runs on top of an L4 microkernel. If anything, it improves portability: porting Mungi from MIPS to Alpha took literally few hours of working out endianess-related bugs ;) (tell me the same about FreeBSD ;P Of course using OSF1 PALcode simplifies life for FreeBSD, but it's really not an option for our OS research. Pat. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 20 5:15:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.orbitworld.net (smtp.orbitworld.net [208.200.204.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B2037BD6A for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 05:15:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bbhart@orbitworld.net) Received: from default (dialup-2-47.orbitworld.net [208.224.133.47] (may be forged)) by smtp.orbitworld.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA11072 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 00:09:27 -0600 X-Post-Sender: dialup-2-47.orbitworld.net [208.224.133.47] (may be forged) X-Post-IP: 208.224.133.47 X-Post-Name: [208.224.133.47] X-Post-Port: 28928 Message-ID: <000701bf7ba4$f4530e00$2f85e0d0@default> Reply-To: "Beverly H Barnhart" From: "Beverly H Barnhart" To: Subject: My daughter bought Digital Research USB Card Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 07:18:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BF7B72.A6069280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BF7B72.A6069280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The book said she could get the driver off of Windows 98 CD or = www.microsoft .com but I could not get the driver from any of those places any ideas? 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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BF7B72.A6069280-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 20 6: 2: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFD037BBCC for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 06:01:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA88688; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 15:00:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200002201400.PAA88688@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone? In-Reply-To: from Doug Rabson at "Feb 20, 2000 12:10:13 pm" To: Doug Rabson Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 15:00:01 +0100 (CET) Cc: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Me tooo... luigi > > i just messaged the guys from yamaha japan for specs on their pci audio ... > > please hit me with your suggestions, since i am starting to get very > I have had more-or-less the same experience. I did get a response which > completely misunderstood what I was asking and assumed I wanted the > source code to their windows driver. My reply explaining that I really > just wanted documentation went unanswered. Sigh. -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) Mobile +39-347-0373137 -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 20 7: 4:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7274237BCFD for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 07:04:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.198.72]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA2363; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:04:06 +0100 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA91320; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:04:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:04:00 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Doug Rabson Cc: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone? Message-ID: <20000220160400.H79013@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <20000220024926.B81021@rohrbach.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from dfr@nlsystems.com on Sun, Feb 20, 2000 at 12:10:13PM +0000 Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [20000220 14:14], Doug Rabson (dfr@nlsystems.com) wrote: >On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Karsten W. Rohrbach wrote: > >> i just messaged the guys from yamaha japan for specs on their pci audio >> chipsets to get some decent documentation to start torturing those ymf744 >> soundcards. no response. i mailed again. same result. do they actually >> read their mail or is this an uncommon thing in .jp? > >I have had more-or-less the same experience. I did get a response which >completely misunderstood what I was asking and assumed I wanted the >source code to their windows driver. My reply explaining that I really >just wanted documentation went unanswered. Sigh. Well Doug, you're in the UK, so part of the European Community. And since you requested information from Yamaha and got none, you are now legally clean of action due to the law that you may disassemble/reverse engineer their drivers to obtain the information you need to program the driver. For once, a cool law in Europe. -- Jeroen Ruigrok vd Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|bart.nl|freebsd.org] Documentation nutter/B-rated Coder BSD: Technical excellence at its best The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Religion... Is the opium of the people... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 20 7:40:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.webmonster.de (datasink.webmonster.de [194.162.162.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DB2A37BE91 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 07:40:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from karsten@rohrbach.de) Received: (qmail 4091 invoked by uid 1000); 20 Feb 2000 15:40:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:40:30 +0100 From: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: Doug Rabson , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone? Message-ID: <20000220164030.A94862@rohrbach.de> Reply-To: karsten@rohrbach.de References: <20000220024926.B81021@rohrbach.de> <20000220160400.H79013@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000220160400.H79013@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from asmodai@wxs.nl on Sun, Feb 20, 2000 at 04:04:00PM +0100 X-Arbitrary-Number-Of-The-Day: 42 X-Sender: karsten@rohrbach.de Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG jeroen, could you give us some more details on that law, perhaps some pointers to documents - i could have our law department check that out /k Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai(asmodai@wxs.nl)@Sun, Feb 20, 2000 at 04:04:00PM +0100: > -On [20000220 14:14], Doug Rabson (dfr@nlsystems.com) wrote: > >On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Karsten W. Rohrbach wrote: > > > >> i just messaged the guys from yamaha japan for specs on their pci audio > >> chipsets to get some decent documentation to start torturing those ymf744 > >> soundcards. no response. i mailed again. same result. do they actually > >> read their mail or is this an uncommon thing in .jp? > > > >I have had more-or-less the same experience. I did get a response which > >completely misunderstood what I was asking and assumed I wanted the > >source code to their windows driver. My reply explaining that I really > >just wanted documentation went unanswered. Sigh. > > Well Doug, > > you're in the UK, so part of the European Community. > > And since you requested information from Yamaha and got none, you are > now legally clean of action due to the law that you may > disassemble/reverse engineer their drivers to obtain the information you > need to program the driver. > > For once, a cool law in Europe. > > -- > Jeroen Ruigrok vd Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|bart.nl|freebsd.org] > Documentation nutter/B-rated Coder BSD: Technical excellence at its best > The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project > Religion... Is the opium of the people... -- > "Her figure described a set of parabolas that could cause cardiac arrest > in a yak." -- Woody Allen http://www.webmonster.de http://www.apache.de http://www.splatterworld.de (NIC-HDL KR433/KR11-RIPE) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 20 8:44:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD9E37BBB1 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 08:44:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p20-dn02kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.85]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) with ESMTP id BAA06653; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 01:44:28 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <38B01918.DE26DBB3@newsguy.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 01:40:56 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: Doug Rabson , "Karsten W. Rohrbach" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone? References: <20000220024926.B81021@rohrbach.de> <20000220160400.H79013@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > > Well Doug, > > you're in the UK, so part of the European Community. > > And since you requested information from Yamaha and got none, you are > now legally clean of action due to the law that you may > disassemble/reverse engineer their drivers to obtain the information you > need to program the driver. > > For once, a cool law in Europe. The U.S. Supreme Court made this exactly ruling one or two weeks ago. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "If you consider our help impolite, you should see the manager." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 20 8:54:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF2137BFEE for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 08:54:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from nlsys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.125.33] helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12MZcl-0002Li-0W; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:54:23 +0000 Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA55685; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:56:45 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:54:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , "Karsten W. Rohrbach" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone? In-Reply-To: <38B01918.DE26DBB3@newsguy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > > > > Well Doug, > > > > you're in the UK, so part of the European Community. > > > > And since you requested information from Yamaha and got none, you are > > now legally clean of action due to the law that you may > > disassemble/reverse engineer their drivers to obtain the information you > > need to program the driver. > > > > For once, a cool law in Europe. > > The U.S. Supreme Court made this exactly ruling one or two weeks ago. Unfortunately (fortunately?) I'm not intending to spend the time necessary to reverse-engineer specs for this thing. Besides I swapped the card with a colleague for one which works... -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 20 9:26:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from acutiator.nacamar.de (mail.nacamar.de [194.162.162.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B5B37B7DB for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 09:26:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from karsten@rohrbach.de) Received: from hardcore (pyro.home.webmonster.de [194.162.189.211]) by acutiator.nacamar.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D65C6118; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 18:26:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002601bf7bc7$a1fbb800$d3bda2c2@hardcore> From: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" To: "Doug Rabson" , "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: "Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai" , References: Subject: Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone? Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 18:26:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG with my ymf744 it's a little different... things get vey tricky if you want to change a laptop's embedded audio chipset ;-) anyway, vaio n505x has a neomagic256av chipset onboard, i wonder why the sony boys implement a second chip for the audio stuff if the graphics chipset would also support audio functions (or did i get something wrong in the neomagic256av threads of the last months?)... /k -- The path of excess leads to the tower of wisdom. -W. Blake Karsten W. Rohrbach - Senior Research Engineer - Nacamar Data Communications one world. one net. nacamar - http://www.nacamar.net This was written on the road... Answers to your reply could be delayed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Rabson" To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: "Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai" ; "Karsten W. Rohrbach" ; Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 5:54 PM Subject: Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone? > On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > > > Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > > > > > > Well Doug, > > > > > > you're in the UK, so part of the European Community. > > > > > > And since you requested information from Yamaha and got none, you are > > > now legally clean of action due to the law that you may > > > disassemble/reverse engineer their drivers to obtain the information you > > > need to program the driver. > > > > > > For once, a cool law in Europe. > > > > The U.S. Supreme Court made this exactly ruling one or two weeks ago. > > Unfortunately (fortunately?) I'm not intending to spend the time necessary > to reverse-engineer specs for this thing. Besides I swapped the card with > a colleague for one which works... > > -- > Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com > Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 20 9:26:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from bluebottle.calcaphon.com (calcaphon.demon.co.uk [193.237.19.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB41637BEE3 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 09:26:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Received: from henny.webweaving.org (dhcp36.calcaphon.com [10.0.1.36]) by bluebottle.calcaphon.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA66085; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 17:26:12 GMT (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by henny.webweaving.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10566; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 17:18:14 GMT (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 17:18:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@localhost Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: James Housley Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Device driver & KLD module In-Reply-To: <38AD5055.6300B6DF@thehousleys.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG First of all the joy module is not a good example as it has been made to work, but nothing beyond that. Second, you are still using lkm-isms, which you shouldn't. Any use of lkm* is wrong and should be converted to kld*. It should be fairly straightforward to create an ISA driver that loads as a module based on for example the USB mouse driver or another simple driver. The only fishy thing is the isa probe, which might not start to reprobe on module load. Third, you can drop the SYSINIT. You can handle that in the mod_load. Hope this helps. I'm spoiled as I have only been working with PCI devices, no ISA. Nick On Fri, 18 Feb 2000, James Housley wrote: > History: > I had a device driver for a BDM (Background Debug Module for > Motorola 683xx CPUs) that worked fine as a kernel device and a LKM. It > was based upon the LPT driver, because it attached to the parallel port, > and the JOY LKM, cause it was simple. > > Present: > I have updated the driver, it does work as a kernel device. It does > not work as a KLD. It does not print its startup nor create a device. > It was updated to match the current JOY KLD. It also appears the JOY > KLD may not be working. > > Questions: > 1) Does the JOY KLD actually work? What is the simplest way to test > it. I have a joystick, but not sure how to read info from it. > 2) If not I will fix it, if possible, while fixing my BDM. > 3) Looking around it would seem that the VESA KLD might be the > simplest KLD to look at. Is this true, or is there a better one? > > My source for the BDM driver is available, for anyone who wants to peek, > is at: http://bdm.thehousleys.net/bdm.tgz . The full page with some > more info is at: http://bdm.thehousleys.net . > > Thanks for all help. > > Jim > -- > microsoft: "where do you want to go today?" > linux: "where do you want to go tomorrow?" > BSD: "are you guys coming, or what?" > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > -- n_hibma@webweaving.org n_hibma@freebsd.org USB project http://www.etla.net/~n_hibma/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 20 10:58:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu (bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu [128.226.1.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87FE237BEF4 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 10:58:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zzhang@cs.binghamton.edu) Received: from sol.cs.binghamton.edu (sol.cs.binghamton.edu [128.226.123.100]) by bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA11046 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 13:58:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 12:37:06 -0500 (EST) From: Zhihui Zhang To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Two questions on NFS source code Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have spent some time understanding the NQNFS code and have two questions to ask: (1) People say we can not do write-behind on the NFS server side. Does this mean all vnode I/O must be performed with IO_SYNC (or other similar) flag set on the server side when the I/O is done on behalf of a NFS client? (2) NQNFS uses the concept of write slack time. What will happen if a NFS client fails to write the modified buffer back to the server's stable storage within that slack time? Will the late write request be discarded by the server? Any help is appreciated. -Zhihui To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 20 11:11:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5CF37BFA2 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:11:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA79110; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 14:11:35 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 14:11:35 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: Darren Reed , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: post 4.0...adoption of pfil(9) from NetBSD ? In-Reply-To: <200002191459.PAA85263@info.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 19 Feb 2000, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > If you look at how linux's iptables works, there are separate modules > > for each of ip, tcp, udp, icmp, etc. A packet is filtered by calling > > the appropriate filter routine for that protocol. In comparison to > > ipfw which does all its port checking, etc, in `one place'. > > but layer boundaries are just on paper, in reality especially a firewall > looks all over the headers (and maybe in even more places). > When you filter TCP, you still look at the IP addresses. In ipfw, you > can even look at the UID of the associated PCB. > By registering filters per protocol at different layers, you have a problem: > suppose your rules are the following (in ipfw style, first match wins): > > 1: deny ip from A to any > 2: allow tcp from any 23 to any > > when you get a TCP packet, when do you invoke the filter, in > tcp_input() or in ip_input() ? You should probably do the call > at the highest possible level in the stack (TCP in this case), > but then you should duplicate rule 1 in the TCP chain or > you are in trouble. > > Furthermore you need hooks in all protocol at all levels, and you > depend on upper-level protocols to be implemented properly or > filtering fails -- e.g. if the protocol PGM (to name another one > i am working on) forgets to call the filter, then all PGM packet > will skip the IP check. Luigi, Don't know if you've had a chance to look at the BSDI work at all, but last I heard they were actually using an extended bpf to do a log of the abstraction work for packet filtering, nat, and management. Right now we have a diverse set of packet filtering mechanisms, and as Darren points out, filtering languages depend on the layer where they must be applied. The BSDI solution allows bpf to be used to match a variety of protocols, and rather than making layer-specific filtering code in the kernel, you push in layer-specific bpf filters from userland. As I understand it, they also allow appropriately privileged bpf filters to do live-modification of the packets in transit, allowing flexible user-defined NAT behavior, etc. You could imagine ipfw converting its rule matching to bpf filters before pushing the code into kernel, etc. I'm really not very familiar with the BSD/OS work, it was pointed out to be at a recent DCFUG, but it might be worth looking into. Another interesting question about filtering behavior is how it should be integrated with NetGraph, as NetGraph provides the opportunity for much greater flexibility in network stack construction. Robert N M Watson robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ PGP key fingerprint: AF B5 5F FF A6 4A 79 37 ED 5F 55 E9 58 04 6A B1 TIS Labs at Network Associates, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 20 18: 6: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (overcee.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB9637BC48 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 18:05:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5BD51CD9 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:05:55 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: DeCSS Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:05:55 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20000221020555.D5BD51CD9@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I would love to make a port of this, for reasons that become obvious once you see the page. (Think of all the mailing list archives and mirrors) http://www.totse.com/DeCSS/ Be sure to read it before commenting, it's not what you might think. Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 20 18:47:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from blaubaer.kn-bremen.de (blaubaer.kn-bremen.de [195.37.179.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC39437BE43 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 18:47:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nox@saturn.kn-bremen.de) Received: from saturn.kn-bremen.de (uucp@localhost) by blaubaer.kn-bremen.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id DAA25995; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 03:40:12 +0100 Received: (from nox@localhost) by saturn.kn-bremen.de (8.9.3/8.8.5) id BAA03865; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 01:02:48 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 01:02:48 +0100 (CET) From: Juergen Lock Message-Id: <200002210002.BAA03865@saturn.kn-bremen.de> To: pedophile@FLUFFY.GETS.AN.ANALPROBE.DK Subject: Re: Tuning up semaphores in kernel X-Newsgroups: local.list.freebsd.hackers In-Reply-To: References: Organization: home Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Andrey Novikov , Brian Dean Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article you write: >On Sun, 13 Feb 19100, Andrey Novikov wrote: > >> > You probably want to increase either SEMMNI or SEMMNS. >> >> I've noticed that but why are they so "round"? Is there any corelation >> between all these numbers? I don't want to break my kernel by guessing. >> >> > > options SEMMAP=31 >> > > options SEMMNI=11 >> > > options SEMMNS=61 >> > > options SEMMNU=31 >> > > options SEMMSL=61 >> > > options SEMOPM=101 >> > > options SEMUME=11 > >I ran into this problem when I was trying to compile and use a useful >Linux audio application and I got the ENOSPC error. >... >Now, I'd like to contribute the hacking and bugfixing I've done on >the linux bplay program to someone for review and possible inclusion >as a port, but if it doesn't work with the supplied kernel and generic >config, I'm not sure what the correct action for me to take would be. hmm bplay, this is probably the original source that was used with some changes for gramofile, for which i already just submitted a port... (ports/16819, there its called play_gramo.) i simply patched it to use FreeBSD's default number. (If its not committed yet try the query-pr.cgi, or searching for gramofile in *freebsd.ports* on deja.com should also turn it up.) > >Is there a good reason not to tweak the GENERIC/LINT FreeBSD kernel >config SEM* definitions upwards to something that will allow the bplay >to work out-of-the-box^H^H^Hport? so its not necessary for bplay, the only justification for this i could think of would be to be able to run linux binaries without recompiling... > >Or should there just be a huge warning that appears >when building bplay advising that certain kernel parameters may need >tuning before the program has a chance of working, during the >compilation/installation, or just somewhere in the ports files where >it can be ignored? > > >Otherwise, I can't see that bplay would be particularly useful as a >port, but rather as additional software the user could optionally >choose to hunt down and install... > no even if a port won't work with the default kernel for some reason its still useful as a port, tho it probably should then have a pkg/MESSAGE telling the admin what he needs to put into the kernel. HTH, -- Juergen Lock (remove dot foo from address to reply) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 20 20:34:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ind.alcatel.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C82337C0FD for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:34:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com (mailhub [198.206.181.70]) by ind.alcatel.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (ind.alcatel.com 3.0 [OUT])) with SMTP id UAA06377; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:33:41 -0800 (PST) X-Origination-Site: Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id UAA07174; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:33:41 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com (homer.softweyr.com [204.68.178.39]) by omni.xylan.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (Xylan engr [SPOOL])) with ESMTP id UAA13977; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:33:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38B0C1C3.116778DA@softweyr.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 21:40:35 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" Cc: Doug Rabson , "Daniel C. Sobral" , Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone? References: <002601bf7bc7$a1fbb800$d3bda2c2@hardcore> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Karsten W. Rohrbach" wrote: > > with my ymf744 it's a little different... things get vey tricky if you want > to change a laptop's embedded audio chipset ;-) > > anyway, vaio n505x has a neomagic256av chipset onboard, i wonder why the > sony boys implement a second chip for the audio stuff if the graphics > chipset would also support audio functions (or did i get something wrong in > the neomagic256av threads of the last months?)... To compensate for the unpopularity of the 256AV, due to the lack of driver information? Ironic, isn't it? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 20 21:14:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F33837C00D for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 21:14:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p59-dn01kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.60]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) with ESMTP id OAA26650 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:14:43 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <38B0C98B.5F84A431@newsguy.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:13:47 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone? References: <002601bf7bc7$a1fbb800$d3bda2c2@hardcore> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Many people have made this request. The following is what I remember of it. Notice, though, that... * I found the original link on the secret irc channel. * I'm under the impression that it was Asmodai who posted the link. Now, it was Asmodai who just said this is the EU law, so maybe the case I read about was on Europe, not US, though I was pretty sure it was US. I do not have the link, and I can't recall the exact details. Sorry. "Ronald F. Guilmette" wrote: > > >The U.S. Supreme Court made this exactly ruling one or two weeks ago. > > I've heard nothing about that. > > Was this done in relation to the whole controversy about the DVD decrypt > software? No, it was wrt to Playstation, Nintendo, Sega or something like that. Mmmmm... I thinking it was probably wrt to SEGA, because there was also a trademark dispute related to a small string. :-) An american company tried to get a license to distribute games for the game console, but the japanese company only licensed under the terms "We'll hold exclusive distribution rights to all games you produce", which was deemed unacceptable. So, the company went ahead and did a straight clean-room reverse engineering. They were later sued for the following (roughly): * Trademark violation. Later versions of the console required the string with it's trademarked name to be located at a certain point in the game's memory; this string was then displayed for a couple of seconds on the string. * Copyright violation. The company used a some hardware to sniff the object code, then disassembled and produced printouts of it. They lost on a lower instance, but have just won on a higher instance under the merit of "fair use", since they had no legal alternative to obtain the specifications to the console (other than engaging in a contract deemed unacceptable). Unfortunately, the link with the ruling did not have the complete ruling for some reason. I don't know how the trademark thing was ruled. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "If you consider our help impolite, you should see the manager." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 20 22:20:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB4537C1B5 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 22:20:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adsharma@c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27921; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 22:20:24 -0800 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 22:20:24 -0800 From: Arun Sharma Message-Id: <200002210620.WAA27921@c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com> To: dillon@apollo.backplane.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 64bit OS? In-Reply-To: <200002200653.WAA99167@apollo.backplane.com> References: <200002200528.QAA04257@mycenae.ilion.eu.org> <200002200653.WAA99167@apollo.backplane.com> Reply-To: adsharma@sharmas.dhs.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matt Dillon wrote: > > Linux also stores persistent information in their machine independant > page tables. They aren't throw-away like FreeBSD's are. This will give > us a huge advantage when we do the IA64 port. I forgot to mention that Linux/IA-64 switches the processor to physical mode to walk the 3 level page table in the VHPT miss handler. This has additional overheads associated. > In general I like the idea of using a VHPT as an STLB (are we having > fun with terminology yet?). Yes, Software TLB is a misnomer. Second level TLB is probably better. VHPT can behave as either STLB or the primary page table of the OS. > What I would truely love to do would be to get away with not using a GPT > at all and instead doing a vm_map_lookup_entry()/vm_page_lookup() > (essentially taking a vm_fault), then optimize the vm_map_entry > structural hierarchy to look more like a GPT rather then the linear > list it currently is. When coupled with an STLB, especially one that > can be optimized, I think performance would be extremely good. For finding the vm_map_entry for a virtual address, a balanced binary tree works better. Linux does well here - it uses AVL trees, which find the right vm_map_entry in O(log n) time. -Arun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 20 23:57: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2BC37BBEF for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 23:56:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p08-dn03kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [210.232.224.137]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) with ESMTP id QAA29146; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:56:18 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <38B0E798.DFB932C8@newsguy.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:22:00 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Wemm Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DeCSS References: <20000221020555.D5BD51CD9@overcee.netplex.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Wemm wrote: > > I would love to make a port of this, for reasons that become obvious once you > see the page. (Think of all the mailing list archives and mirrors) > > http://www.totse.com/DeCSS/ > > Be sure to read it before commenting, it's not what you might think. Excellent idea. (And, no, I haven't read it. Though I know what it is... :) -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "If you consider our help impolite, you should see the manager." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 21 0:25:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E95237C1C4; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 00:25:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA94728; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 00:25:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 00:25:24 -0800 (PST) From: Kris Kennaway To: Peter Wemm Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DeCSS In-Reply-To: <20000221020555.D5BD51CD9@overcee.netplex.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Peter Wemm wrote: > I would love to make a port of this, for reasons that become obvious once you > see the page. (Think of all the mailing list archives and mirrors) > > http://www.totse.com/DeCSS/ > > Be sure to read it before commenting, it's not what you might think. Port committed :-) Kris ---- "How many roads must a man walk down, before you call him a man?" "Eight!" "That was a rhetorical question!" "Oh..then, seven!" -- Homer Simpson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 21 2:20:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from outreach.wolfnet.org (CBL-jkfritcher1-a.hs.earthlink.net [209.178.22.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99CB37B6BA for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 02:20:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkf@wolfnet.org) Received: from localhost (jkf@localhost) by outreach.wolfnet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA34791; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:55:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkf@wolfnet.org) X-Authentication-Warning: outreach.wolfnet.org: jkf owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:55:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason K. Fritcher" To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: looking for victims, err, uh, 'volunteers' In-Reply-To: <20000116235509.A63077@panzer.kdm.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > I haven't even looked at the SMART stuff. Got any pointers to specs? Here is a link to Quantum's white paper. http://www.quantum.com/src/whitepapers/wp_smart_toc.htm In the paper, it mentions the standard is published in Small Form Factor Committee document SFF-8035. I tried some web searched and guessed at some URLs but couldn't find if the SFFC has a web page. Hope this helps. -- Jason K. Fritcher jkf@wolfnet.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d-(+) s+:++ a-- C++@ UB++++S+++$ P++(-) L- !E W+(--) N++(+) o? K- w--() O M- !V PS(+) PE Y+ PGP(++) t+@ 5 X+ R>+ tv+(--) b+>++ DI D++ G e h--- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 21 2:55:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.di.uminho.pt (mail.di.uminho.pt [193.136.20.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E450337BBCB for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 02:54:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jose@di.uminho.pt) Received: (qmail 29824 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2000 11:11:12 -0000 Received: from bogalhinho.di.uminho.pt (HELO di.uminho.pt) (jose@193.136.20.38) by mail.di.uminho.pt with SMTP; 21 Feb 2000 11:11:12 -0000 Message-ID: <38B1282D.7230C8BC@di.uminho.pt> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:57:33 +0000 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9=20Lu=EDs?= Faria Organization: Universidade do Minho-Departamento de =?iso-8859-1?Q?Inform=E1tica?= X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: kernel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello I'm creating a litle update to a freebsd 3.4 kernel. My program is for account some data: number of packets by class, number of packets dropped by class, etc. Now I need to pass this values to another program wich in X-Window display this values on-line. After, I want to save this values in a file. I need some docs about how I can do this. Which are the primitives in the kernel to do this. I use the printf to put this data in /var/log/messages. This inappropriate, I dont want this. This is only for testing now. Can you help me ? Thank you very much. P.S. I'm sorry my english. -- :) cumprimentos -------------------------------- Jose Luis Faria Administrador de Sistemas Universidade do Minho - Departamento de Informática Campus de Gualtar 4710-057 Braga Portugal tel.: +351 253604440 Fax:+351 253604471 http://admin.di.uminho.pt/~jose To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 21 2:59:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from kweetal.tue.nl (kweetal.tue.nl [131.155.2.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B2D37BBFD for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 02:59:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcov@toad.stack.nl) Received: from hermes.tue.nl [131.155.2.46] by kweetal.tue.nl (8.9.3) for id LAA22875 (ESMTP); Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:59:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from deathstar (n26.dial.tue.nl [131.155.209.25]) by hermes.tue.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F132E804 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:59:16 +0100 (CET) From: "Marco van de Voort" To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:56:26 +0100 Subject: Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone? In-reply-to: <38B0C98B.5F84A431@newsguy.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Message-Id: <20000221105916.60F132E804@hermes.tue.nl> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I've heard nothing about that. > > > > Was this done in relation to the whole controversy about the DVD decrypt > > software? > > No, it was wrt to Playstation, Nintendo, Sega or something like that. > Mmmmm... I thinking it was probably wrt to SEGA, because there was also > a trademark dispute related to a small string. :-) An american company > tried to get a license to distribute games for the game console, but the > japanese company only licensed under the terms "We'll hold exclusive > distribution rights to all games you produce", which was deemed > unacceptable. So, the company went ahead and did a straight clean-room > reverse engineering. They were later sued for the following (roughly): > > * Trademark violation. Later versions of the console required the string > with it's trademarked name to be located at a certain point in the > game's memory; this string was then displayed for a couple of seconds on > the string. > > * Copyright violation. The company used a some hardware to sniff the > object code, then disassembled and produced printouts of it. > > They lost on a lower instance, but have just won on a higher instance > under the merit of "fair use", since they had no legal alternative to > obtain the specifications to the console (other than engaging in a > contract deemed unacceptable). Unfortunately, the link with the ruling > did not have the complete ruling for some reason. I don't know how the > trademark thing was ruled. Afaik, this story is illegal in Europe too. You may reverse engineer to create a substitute, but you may not distribute, let alone sell it (as a gamecreator will probably do) This could be the case for reverse engineering drivers too. So probably drivers which contain information collected with reverse engineering may not be distributed, and are for personal use of the one that did the reverse-engineering (r-e) only. Afaik the only way to circumvent this is, (and this is a wild guess, I'm not a lawyer) is if the r-e is done within an organisation. (e.g. GNU), and all users donate a penny to GNU to become a member. And members may use the driver. Marco van de Voort (MarcoV@Stack.nl) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 21 3: 9:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B92637BBD9; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 03:09:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25595; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 03:37:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 03:37:48 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Lu=EDs_Faria?= Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel Message-ID: <20000221033747.N21720@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <38B1282D.7230C8BC@di.uminho.pt> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <38B1282D.7230C8BC@di.uminho.pt>; from jose@di.uminho.pt on Mon, Feb 21, 2000 at 11:57:33AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * José Luís Faria [000221 03:25] wrote: > Hello > > I'm creating a litle update to a freebsd 3.4 kernel. > My program is for account some data: number of > packets by class, number of packets dropped by class, etc. > Now I need to pass this values to another program wich in X-Window > display this values on-line. After, I want to save this values > in a file. > > I need some docs about how I can do this. > Which are the primitives in the kernel to do this. > I use the printf to put this data in /var/log/messages. > This inappropriate, I dont want this. This is only for testing now. > > Can you help me ? Perhaps you'd like to use sysctl nodes as counters, they allow a pretty clean exporting of kernel internal variables. try "man sysctl" and looking at various other uses of sysctls in the kernel as counters. good luck, -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 21 3:10:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from hermes.research.kpn.com (hermes.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5175937BC2B for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 03:10:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from K.J.Koster@kpn.com) Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by research.kpn.com (PMDF V5.2-31 #35196) with ESMTP id <01JM6392QIDW000QMQ@research.kpn.com> for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:10:16 +0100 Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <19A058QN>; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:10:15 +0100 Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:10:12 +0100 From: "Koster, K.J." Subject: RE: yamaha japan relationships anyone? To: 'FreeBSD Hackers mailing list' Message-id: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452201313854@l04.research.kpn.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Afaik the only way to circumvent this is, (and this is a wild > guess, I'm not a lawyer) > is if the r-e is done within an organisation. (e.g. GNU), and > all users donate a penny > to GNU to become a member. And members may use the driver. > Does buying a FreeBSD cdrom count as becoming a member? Anyone against raising the price of the cdroms with a penny (plus tax). Kees Jan ============================================== You are only young once, but you can stay immature all your life To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 21 3:17:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A13637B7A1; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 03:17:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA07189; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 03:17:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 03:17:31 -0800 (PST) From: Kris Kennaway To: Beverly H Barnhart Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My daughter bought Digital Research USB Card In-Reply-To: <000701bf7ba4$f4530e00$2f85e0d0@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Beverly H Barnhart wrote: > The book said she could get the driver off of Windows 98 CD or > www.microsoft.com but I could not get the driver from any of those > places any ideas? Which version of FreeBSD is she using? Kris > Bev ---- "How many roads must a man walk down, before you call him a man?" "Eight!" "That was a rhetorical question!" "Oh..then, seven!" -- Homer Simpson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 21 4:45: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6545037BA8C; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 04:44:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.ops.uunet.co.za) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12MsCZ-000Mni-00; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:44:35 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, jasone@freebsd.org Subject: Re: (forw) Re: readdir_r thread safe? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 05 Feb 2000 15:16:28 PST." <20000205151627.W25520@fw.wintelcom.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:44:35 +0200 Message-ID: <87649.951137075@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 05 Feb 2000 15:16:28 PST, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > Ugh, I should have brought this up before the code freeze but... Before feature freeze, in fact. Fight the madness. :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 21 6:37:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from web119.yahoomail.com (web119.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8338737BD5A for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 06:37:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from m_evmenkin@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 21863 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Feb 2000 14:37:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20000221143707.21862.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Received: from [12.20.58.68] by web119.yahoomail.com; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 06:37:07 PST Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 06:37:07 -0800 (PST) From: Maksim Yevmenkin Subject: NETGRAPH patches (proposal) To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello All, Here are some small patches for NETGRAPH. These are against -current cvsup'ed yesterday around 8:30pm EST. http://home.earthlink.net/~evmax/ng.tar.gz It also includes small test program (based on nghook). Compile and run it like: # ./a.out -a iface_name: divert NETGRAPH option in kernel config file is required. Here is the description. ng_ether node has two hooks ``divert'' and ``orphan''. It is possible to connect to the one of the hooks and intercept row Ethernet frames. But there is no clean way to intercept frame, do something and return it back to kernel. This patch provides additional hook ``divertin'' (mmm... name is not good, i think) for each ng_ether node. Implementation issues This will not work for ``orphan'' frames. Since kernel drops it anyway, i decided to leave it as it is. But is is possible to intercept ``orphan'' packets, change it, and write back to ``divertin''. Thanks, emax __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 21 7:23:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D997237BD85 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 07:23:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bcr@feynman.com) Received: from hoccson.ho.att.com ([135.16.2.30]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id KAA02813; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:22:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from babel.lz.att.com by hoccson.ho.att.com (8.9.1b+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id KAA10980; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:33:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from feynman.com (marsian [135.25.14.216]) by babel.lz.att.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14031; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:22:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38B1584A.3CF0E8FC@feynman.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:22:50 -0500 From: Bill C Riemers Reply-To: bcr@babel.lz.att.com Organization: AT&T Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, gnu-gcc@gnu.org Subject: Re: Defending against buffer overflows. References: <12502.950912447@monkeys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Ronald F. Guilmette" wrote: > > My attention has just been called to: > > http://immunix.org/StackGuard/mechanism.html > > Given all of the buffer overrun vulnerabilities that have been found in > various network daemons over time, this seems like a worthwhile sort of > technique to apply when compiling, in particular, network daemons and/or > servers. > > I don't entirely agree with this fellow's approach however. I think that > the ``canary'' word should be located at the bottom end of the current > stack frame, i.e. in a place where no buffer overrun could possibly clobber > it. > > Seems to me that this would be a nice and useful little enhancement for gcc. > I wouldn't mind having something like a -fbuffer-overrun-checks option for > gcc, and I would definitely use it when compiling network daemons. > > Anybody else got an opinion? Most tools like, electric fens, purify, ... Do the same type of trick. It does slightly change the behavior of the code, so some bugs that appear without doing such a trick won't appear with it, and of course visa versa. The most significant effect is the changes as to when 'really' will not be able to grow the buffer... Overall, I think it is a good idea. It definitely should not be done behind a user's back, but a compiler option to enable it as part of debugging is probably a good idea. Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 21 7:29: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from nexus.plymovent.se (nexus.plymovent.se [212.247.77.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E92037BD7B for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 07:29:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thomas.uhrfelt@plymovent.se) Received: from tu ([192.168.1.21]) by nexus.plymovent.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA02015; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:02:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from thomas.uhrfelt@plymovent.se) From: "Thomas Uhrfelt" To: "Peter Wemm" Cc: Subject: RE: DeCSS Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:30:06 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000221020555.D5BD51CD9@overcee.netplex.com.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I would love to make a port of this, for reasons that become > obvious once you > see the page. (Think of all the mailing list archives and mirrors) > > http://www.totse.com/DeCSS/ > > Be sure to read it before commenting, it's not what you might think. > > Cheers, > -Peter It's a wonderful idea! I would gladly install the port just for the sake of the cause. Thomas Uhrfelt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 21 7:58:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D436E37B581 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 07:58:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hspio@worldnet.att.net) Received: from default ([12.77.203.106]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.31a 201-229-119-114) with ESMTP id <20000221155805.CWUU2849.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@default>; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:58:05 +0000 Received: from solomon ([209.216.95.2]) by mtiwgwc28.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.31a 201-229-119-114) with SMTP id <20000221022115.GVUT14206.mtiwgwc28.worldnet.att.net@solomon> for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 02:21:15 +0000 Received: from [209.4.43.8] by solomon (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ea571978 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 21:20:34 -0500 From: "The Raifords" To: tjlewis@ij.net, AMANDAD25@aol.com, hkpio@digital.net, grlewis@tampabay.rr.com, hspio@att.net, jstauff@bellsouth.net Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 21:29:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Feaky Reply-To: s3braiford@ij.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-Id: <02203364011287@ij.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You may/may not have seen this before, but it's pretty freaky!! I, apparently, am typical -- what are you? > > NO PEEKING AHEAD! > > * > > Free will or synaptic wiring? You be the judge. Do the following > exercise, guaranteed to raise an eyebrow. There's no trick or surprise. Just > follow these instructions, and answer the questions one at a time and as quickly > as you can! Again, as quickly as you can but don't advance until you've done > each of them ... really. > > Now, arrow down (but not too fast, you might miss something). > > * > > *Think of a number from 1 to 10 > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > *Multiply that number by 9 > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > *If the number is a 2-digit number, add the digits together > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > *Now subtract 5 > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > *Determine which letter in the alphabet corresponds to the number you > ended up with (example: 1=a, 2=b, 3=c, etc.) > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > *Think of a country that starts with that letter > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > *Remember the last letter in the name of that country > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > *Think of the name of an animal that starts with that letter > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > *Are you thinking of Kangaroos in Denmark? > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > > * > If not, you're among the 2% of the population whose minds are different > enough to think of something else. 98% of people will answer with > kangaroos in Denmark when given this exercise. Freaky, huh? Keep this message > going. > > Forward it to people you know and see if they can see if they are usual > > or > > unusual. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To be removed from this mailing list > click on the link below > http://216.55.23.229/mailing/mail2.cgi?lauravito@prodigy.net > > --part1_78.1084123.25cc48f0_boundary-- --WebTV-Mail-31529-679-- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 21 8:10:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from iclub.nsu.ru (iclub.nsu.ru [193.124.222.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750F337BB7F for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 08:10:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fjoe@iclub.nsu.ru) Received: from localhost (fjoe@localhost) by iclub.nsu.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA37014 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:10:15 +0600 (NS) (envelope-from fjoe@iclub.nsu.ru) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:10:15 +0600 (NS) From: Max Khon To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: empty lists in for Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, there! I'm trying to port FreeBSD ports subsystem to Solaris and Linux (for our company internal needs). many for's in bsd.port.mk are expanded into for's with empty word list (e.g.: for i in ; do smth; done). bash and ksh complain about unexpected ';'. /bin/sh (FreeBSD) thinks it's ok and does nothing. Which behaviour is more POSIXly correct? /fjoe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 21 8:58:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE6937BD4B for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 08:58:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (dcs@p38-dn01kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.39]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) with ESMTP id BAA09281; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 01:58:37 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <38B16CEA.9284CB98@newsguy.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 01:50:50 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marco van de Voort Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone? References: <20000221105916.60F132E804@hermes.tue.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Marco van de Voort wrote: > > > They lost on a lower instance, but have just won on a higher instance > > under the merit of "fair use", since they had no legal alternative to > > obtain the specifications to the console (other than engaging in a > > contract deemed unacceptable). Unfortunately, the link with the ruling > > did not have the complete ruling for some reason. I don't know how the > > trademark thing was ruled. > > Afaik, this story is illegal in Europe too. You may reverse engineer to create > a substitute, but you may not distribute, let alone sell it (as a gamecreator > will probably do) Read again. It's not illegal, it's legal. Reverse engineering is LEGAL in the US and most (all?) of Europe. That had NOTHING to do with the case. The case centered on the fact that _copies_ of the disassembled object code had been made, to enable the reverse engineering. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "If you consider our help impolite, you should see the manager." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 21 9:43: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ares.cs.Virginia.EDU (ares.cs.Virginia.EDU [128.143.136.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E3A37B506 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:43:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vkb3q@cs.virginia.edu) Received: from cobra.cs.Virginia.EDU (cobra.cs.Virginia.EDU [128.143.137.16]) by ares.cs.Virginia.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2/UVACS-2000011700) with ESMTP id MAA05538 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:42:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (vkb3q@localhost) by cobra.cs.Virginia.EDU (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA26545 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:42:58 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: cobra.cs.Virginia.EDU: vkb3q owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:42:58 -0500 (EST) From: Vinod Balakrishnan To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Multipath routing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, I have been trying to access the mpath patch at ftp://ftp.flirble.org/pub/unix/hacks/FreeBSD/mpath.b3.tgz but the hacks directory does not seem to exist. Is multi-path routing supported in FreeBSD 3.0 or later. If so could someone give a pointer as to how to enable multipath routing. thanks, -Vinod To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 21 11:24: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from abatis.sweb.com (ip-012-251.gw.total-web.net [209.186.12.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE6A37B52E for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:23:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zaph0d@abatis.sweb.com) Received: from localhost (zaph0d@localhost.sweb.com [127.0.0.1]) by abatis.sweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28436; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:25:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:25:04 -0500 (EST) From: zaph0d To: Vinod Balakrishnan Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Multipath routing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I would also be interested in knowing the same, if numbers of people wanting it make a difference : ) On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Vinod Balakrishnan wrote: > > hi, > > I have been trying to access the mpath patch at > ftp://ftp.flirble.org/pub/unix/hacks/FreeBSD/mpath.b3.tgz > > but the hacks directory does not seem to exist. > > Is multi-path routing supported in FreeBSD 3.0 or later. If so could > someone give a pointer as to how to enable multipath routing. > > thanks, > -Vinod > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 21 13: 8:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF0D37B556; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 13:08:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA21922; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 13:08:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 13:08:47 -0800 (PST) From: Kris Kennaway To: Thomas Uhrfelt Cc: Peter Wemm , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: DeCSS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Thomas Uhrfelt wrote: > It's a wonderful idea! I would gladly install the port just for the sake of > the cause. cd /usr/ports/www/decss && make install clean && enjoy :-) Kris ---- "How many roads must a man walk down, before you call him a man?" "Eight!" "That was a rhetorical question!" "Oh..then, seven!" -- Homer Simpson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 21 19:27:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net (smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net [209.3.218.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE7D37B57F for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:27:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from babkin@bellatlantic.net) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-198-135-89.bellatlantic.net [151.198.135.89]) by smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA13475 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:23:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38B20317.8C63436C@bellatlantic.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:31:35 -0500 From: Sergey Babkin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-19990626-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DeCSS References: <20000221020555.D5BD51CD9@overcee.netplex.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Wemm wrote: > > I would love to make a port of this, for reasons that become obvious once you > see the page. (Think of all the mailing list archives and mirrors) > > http://www.totse.com/DeCSS/ > > Be sure to read it before commenting, it's not what you might think. I can't help keeping wondering if this MAA is missing the point completely: why would someone need the decryption to make a _copy_ ? A copy is a copy and it appears to me that the encrypted bits written on the disk surface could be copied just exactly as well as the decrypted bits. Probably the real reason they start this activity is because otherwise they would lose some kind of royalties from the DVD-players manufacturers. -SB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 21 19:34:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E665B37B589 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:33:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3E8CF1C57; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:33:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:33:59 -0500 From: Bill Fumerola To: Sergey Babkin Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DeCSS Message-ID: <20000221223359.K92177@jade.chc-chimes.com> References: <20000221020555.D5BD51CD9@overcee.netplex.com.au> <38B20317.8C63436C@bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <38B20317.8C63436C@bellatlantic.net>; from babkin@bellatlantic.net on Mon, Feb 21, 2000 at 10:31:35PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Feb 21, 2000 at 10:31:35PM -0500, Sergey Babkin wrote: > > I would love to make a port of this, for reasons that become obvious once you > > see the page. (Think of all the mailing list archives and mirrors) > > > > http://www.totse.com/DeCSS/ > > > > Be sure to read it before commenting, it's not what you might think. > > I can't help keeping wondering if this MAA > is missing the point completely: why would > someone need the decryption to make a _copy_ ? > A copy is a copy and it appears to me that > the encrypted bits written on the disk surface > could be copied just exactly as well as the > decrypted bits. Probably the real reason they > start this activity is because otherwise they > would lose some kind of royalties from the > DVD-players manufacturers. You're one of those people who follows instructions, are you? I'll restate what Peter said. > > Be sure to read it before commenting, it's not what you might think. -- Bill Fumerola - Network Architect Computer Horizons Corp - CVM e-mail: billf@chc-chimes.com / billf@FreeBSD.org Office: 800-252-2421 x128 / Cell: 248-761-7272 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 21 19:43:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from holly.calldei.com (adsl-208-191-146-189.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [208.191.146.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C7C37B53D for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:43:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@holly.calldei.com) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.calldei.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04844; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:44:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chris) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:44:17 -0600 From: Chris Costello To: Bill Fumerola Cc: Sergey Babkin , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DeCSS Message-ID: <20000221214417.D2100@holly.calldei.com> Reply-To: chris@calldei.com References: <20000221020555.D5BD51CD9@overcee.netplex.com.au> <38B20317.8C63436C@bellatlantic.net> <20000221223359.K92177@jade.chc-chimes.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.4i In-Reply-To: <20000221223359.K92177@jade.chc-chimes.com> X-URL: http://www.FreeBSD.org/~chris/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, February 21, 2000, Bill Fumerola wrote: > You're one of those people who follows instructions, are you? You're one of those people who out words, aren't you? :) -- |Chris Costello |Design simplicity: It was developed on a shoe-string budget. `------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 21 19:50:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A53637B835 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 19:50:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA39617; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:48:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:48:40 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: Chris Costello Cc: Bill Fumerola , Sergey Babkin , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DeCSS In-Reply-To: <20000221214417.D2100@holly.calldei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Chris Costello wrote: > On Monday, February 21, 2000, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > You're one of those people who follows instructions, are you? > > You're one of those people who out words, aren't you? :) Hey! I got some cream pies, you two want to go at it? We'll all cheer! > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include C & Java programming, FreeBSD, chuckr@picnic.mat.net | electronics, communications, and signal processing. New Year's Resolution: I will not sphroxify gullible people into looking up fictitious words in the dictionary. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 22 0:22:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (freebsd.dk [212.242.42.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB4037B616 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 00:22:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA00287; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:21:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sos) From: Soren Schmidt Message-Id: <200002220821.JAA00287@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: DeCSS In-Reply-To: <38B20317.8C63436C@bellatlantic.net> from Sergey Babkin at "Feb 21, 2000 10:31:35 pm" To: babkin@bellatlantic.net (Sergey Babkin) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:21:20 +0100 (CET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It seems Sergey Babkin wrote: > > I can't help keeping wondering if this MAA > is missing the point completely: why would > someone need the decryption to make a _copy_ ? > A copy is a copy and it appears to me that > the encrypted bits written on the disk surface > could be copied just exactly as well as the > decrypted bits. Probably the real reason they > start this activity is because otherwise they > would lose some kind of royalties from the > DVD-players manufacturers. Well, since this is another issue, I'll answer :) You cannot _read_ a DVD without having exchanged the CSS keys with the drive, it will return "not authenticated" when you try to read the protected sectors (ie not all sectors on a DVD are protected, there might be programs, pictures and stuff thats not). So you would need special HW to read the original, before you can copy. And yes I think the DVD guys are the bad ones, and they try to hide the real agenda, but the DVD hackers are not much better I'm sorry to say. -Sřren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 22 1:35:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from nets5.rz.rwth-aachen.de (nets5.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB49B37B5E3 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 01:35:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.240]) by nets5.rz.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1/10) with ESMTP id KAA02119 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:35:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.30.2]) by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1/3) with ESMTP id KAA08121 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:36:22 +0100 (MET) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.3/8.6.9) id KAA14202 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:35:48 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:35:48 +0100 (CET) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <200002220935.KAA14202@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD as high speed router Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG A question to the network experts: I want to build a router between FDDI and Fast Ethernet (possibly without creating a subnet - something like arp proxy but that's more an IP issue; maybe someone can comment this also) My question is more hardware oriented: I'm thinking of using two PCI network cards. Fast Ethernet, no problem. But FDDI, what card? CPU will be a PIII (something fast, 500 MHz). Do I need much memory or would be 32 MB for the router purposes sufficient? -- Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 22 4:28:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (polaris.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6CD137B64F for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 04:25:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from borjam@we.lc.ehu.es) Received: from sol.we.lc.ehu.es (sol [158.227.6.42]) by polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA19140 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:24:52 +0100 (MET) From: Borja Marcos Received: (from borjam@localhost) by sol.we.lc.ehu.es (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA03116 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:24:51 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:24:51 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200002221224.NAA03116@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: IPv6, IPv4 and /etc/resolv.conf problems Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I'm testing 4.0-current and have just found a problem ith the resolver. It seems this problem is lurking many releases ago, but in only appears when using IPv6 and IPv4. If you enable both, and use the "domain" or "search" keyword in /etc/resolv.conf, it doesn't work well. If you do a gethostbyname() with a domainless name, the queries it does are: 1 - AAAA host.domain (following the "domain" or "search" directive) 2 - AAAA host 3 - A host.domain 4 - A host This is caused by the way the IPv6 resolution has been added in /sys/lib/libc/net/gethostnamaddr.c in gethostbyname(). It simply queries first for IPv6 info, and if there is no answer, it queries for IPv4 info. The decision to query for IPv6 or IPv4 should be more "deeply buried", especially in the case of DNS queries. Otherwise the system, can be quite uncomfortable to use. I discovered this by accident; after installing a test 4.0-CURRENT system in my home network, I did a "telnet hostname" and it didn't connect for many seconds, the telnet seemed to be waiting for a name resolution to finish. It worked as fast as usual only when I was connected to Internet. (I have a local DNS server in the network). I had enabled IPv6 in the CURRENT machine to be able to start trying IPv6. While I was connected to Internet, it worked almost immediately because sending a query for "hostname" (without domains) to the Internet DNS servers returned (obviously) and error, and then gethostbyname() proceeded to ask for the IPv4 records. I have sumbitted it as a bug to GNATS, with the id bin/16892. Borja. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 22 5:16: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from moo.sysabend.org (moo.sysabend.org [209.0.55.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72CBA37B5BE for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 05:16:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42DBF7555; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 05:20:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0491D8A; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 05:20:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 05:20:00 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Bowden To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 64bit OS? In-Reply-To: <79083.950898441@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: Approved: yep X-representing: Only myself. X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 18 Feb 2000, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: :> If you got REAL LIFE NUMBERS, based on REAL LIFE PERFORMANCE, then we :> can talk. Let's see how it does Quake, then we can talk. : :Alpha does quake? :-) Not that I know of, but MIPS/SGI does. (hint hint) Jamie Bowden -- "Of course, that's sort of like asking how other than Marketing, Microsoft is different from any other software company..." Kenneth G. Cavness To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 22 7:13:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8AF137B6C1 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 07:13:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA13703; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:13:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:13:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Christoph Kukulies Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD as high speed router In-Reply-To: <200002220935.KAA14202@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 22 Feb 2000, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > I'm thinking of using two PCI network cards. Fast Ethernet, no problem. > But FDDI, what card? fpa0: port 0xe400-0xe47f mem 0xfafd0000-0xfafdffff,0xfafee000-0xfafee07f irq 4 at device 6.0 on pci0 fpa0: DEC DEFPA PCI FDDI SAS Controller fpa0: FDDI address 00:00:f8:40:e4:a8, FW=2.46, HW=0, SMT V7.2 fpa0: FDDI Port = S (PMD = Unshielded Twisted Pair) You want one of these (DEFPA-??). -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 22 8:10:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from peace.mahoroba.org (peace.calm.imasy.or.jp [202.227.26.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFE137B6F5 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:10:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ume@mahoroba.org) Received: from localhost (IDENT:LToIlu9MkFelUc7wKJdF7jxSGu7IFChU4gX65zdtvTA0oaLg7ysXCWdH4D0KTkEQ@localhost [::1]) by peace.mahoroba.org (8.10.0.Beta10/3.7W-peace) with ESMTP id e1MG8D826723; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 01:08:13 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from ume@mahoroba.org) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 01:08:13 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200002221608.e1MG8D826723@peace.mahoroba.org> To: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IPv6, IPv4 and /etc/resolv.conf problems In-Reply-To: <200002221224.NAA03116@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> References: <200002221224.NAA03116@sol.we.lc.ehu.es> X-Mailer: xcite1.20> Mew version 1.95b3 on Emacs 20.5 / Mule 4.0 =?iso-2022-jp?B?KBskQjJWMWMbKEIp?= X-PGP-Public-Key: http://www.imasy.org/~ume/publickey.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 0C 53 FC 5D D0 37 91 05 D0 B3 EF 36 9B 6A BC X-URL: http://www.imasy.org/~ume/ X-OS: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Hajimu UMEMOTO (=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCR19LXBsoQiA=?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCSCUbKEI=?=) X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000221(IM139) Lines: 16 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, >>>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:24:51 +0100 (MET) >>>>> Borja Marcos said: borjam> 1 - AAAA host.domain (following the "domain" or "search" directive) borjam> 2 - AAAA host borjam> 3 - A host.domain borjam> 4 - A host Specifying `options no_tld_query' in /etc/resolv.conf may helps you. -- Hajimu UMEMOTO @ Internet Mutual Aid Society Yokohama, Japan ume@mahoroba.org ume@bisd.hitachi.co.jp ume@jp.FreeBSD.org http://www.imasy.org/~ume/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 22 8:16:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (polaris.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A93437B6B5 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:16:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from borjam@we.lc.ehu.es) Received: from cygnus-x1.we.lc.ehu.es (cygnus-x1 [158.227.6.44]) by polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA20415 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:16:00 +0100 (MET) From: Borja Marcos Received: (from borjam@localhost) by cygnus-x1.we.lc.ehu.es (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA25701 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:16:00 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200002221616.RAA25701@cygnus-x1.we.lc.ehu.es> Subject: Re: IPv6, IPv4 and /etc/resolv.conf problems To: ume@mahoroba.org (Hajimu UMEMOTO) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 100 17:15:12 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <200002221608.e1MG8D826723@peace.mahoroba.org> from "Hajimu UMEMOTO" at Feb 23, 0 01:08:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Hi, > Specifying `options no_tld_query' in /etc/resolv.conf may helps you. Yes, you're right, thanks But, isn't that behavior a bug? Borja. -- *********************************************************************** Borja Marcos * Internet: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Alangoeta, 11 1 izq * borjamar@sarenet.es 48990 - Algorta (Vizcaya) * borjam@well.com SPAIN * borjam@uninet.edu *********************************************************************** --- FreeBSD, turning PCs into workstations To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 22 8:37:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from fgwmail6.fujitsu.co.jp (fgwmail6.fujitsu.co.jp [192.51.44.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B5F37B6F4 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:37:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp) Received: from m3.gw.fujitsu.co.jp by fgwmail6.fujitsu.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-MX0002-Fujitsu Gateway) id BAA19456; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 01:35:26 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp) Received: from incapgw.fujitsu.co.jp by m3.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-0002-Fujitsu Domain Master) id BAA02186; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 01:35:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost ([192.168.245.40]) by incapgw.fujitsu.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-0002) id BAA04085; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 01:35:23 +0900 (JST) To: borjam@we.lc.ehu.es Cc: ume@mahoroba.org Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IPv6, IPv4 and /etc/resolv.conf problems In-Reply-To: <200002221616.RAA25701@cygnus-x1.we.lc.ehu.es> References: <200002221608.e1MG8D826723@peace.mahoroba.org> <200002221616.RAA25701@cygnus-x1.we.lc.ehu.es> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94 on Emacs 20.4 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) X-Prom-Mew: Prom-Mew 1.93.4 (procmail reader for Mew) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000223013615B.shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 01:36:15 +0900 From: Yoshinobu Inoue X-Dispatcher: imput version 990905(IM130) Lines: 18 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > Hi, > > Specifying `options no_tld_query' in /etc/resolv.conf may helps you. > > Yes, you're right, thanks > > But, isn't that behavior a bug? Yes the behaviour of getaddrinfo() is bug. But as you already have noticed it, the fix is not simple, so it will be tried after 4.0. For 4.0, please also try '-4' option as another workaround. When you specify '-4' option for IPv4/IPv6 dual support apps, then it will only try to query A record. Thanks, Yoshinobu Inoue To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 22 11:10:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail4.aracnet.com (mail4.aracnet.com [216.99.193.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 043EA37B6D2 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:10:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from beattie@aracnet.com) Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (IDENT:root@shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by mail4.aracnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26273 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:10:18 -0800 Received: from localhost by shell1.aracnet.com (8.9.3) id LAA29390; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:10:47 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.aracnet.com: beattie owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:10:47 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Beattie To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Help diagnoseing a panic Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have started getting a panic in the past couple of weeks on my 4.0-Current system. The immediate symptom is disk related. I was wondering if anybody could give me some hints in trying to determine if this is hardware or software. The problem occurs under heavy disk (SCSI) load "rm -rf /usr/src" or "pax -rw / /usr /mnt" or even "make release". Setting up a serial console is possible, thought difficult, since I lack the spare hardware to dedicate. The panic refers to an SCB I can copy down the error message if anybody is willing to try to decypher it, so far the message tends to scroll off before I get a chance. Brian Beattie | The only problem with beattie@aracnet.com | winning the rat race ... www.aracnet.com/~beattie | in the end you're still a rat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 22 11:12:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from bunyip.flash.net (bunyip.flash.net [209.30.2.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74CDC37B6AB for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:12:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ryahoo@yahoo.com) Received: from falcon (p187.amax4.dialup.hou1.flash.net [209.30.64.187]) by bunyip.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA07251 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:12:03 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003a01bf7d68$8513c780$2001a8c0@cyfair.net> From: "SysAdmin" To: References: Subject: Re: looking for victims, err, uh, 'volunteers' Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:02:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Take a look at the T13 organization's web site - www.t13.org It contains a pointer to "d99104r2 Seagate SMART proposal 4/27/99 haynes". These documents are stored on Western Digital's archive of ATA & SFF drafts/files at ftp://fission.dt.wdc.com/pub/standards/ NOTE -- These are drafts - for released documents, the T13 web site provides a pointer to where they can be purchased. Although I did not find SFF-8035, there are directories for the ATA specs, SFF specs and other drive related information. For those who have not pointed it out before, ATA-4 and up have incorporated portions of earlier ATAPI/SFF specs into the ATA specification (SFF-8020, SFF-8070, SFF-8090). Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason K. Fritcher To: Kenneth D. Merry Cc: Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 7:55 PM Subject: Re: looking for victims, err, uh, 'volunteers' > On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > > I haven't even looked at the SMART stuff. Got any pointers to specs? > > Here is a link to Quantum's white paper. > > http://www.quantum.com/src/whitepapers/wp_smart_toc.htm > > In the paper, it mentions the standard is published in Small Form Factor > Committee document SFF-8035. I tried some web searched and guessed at some > URLs but couldn't find if the SFFC has a web page. > > Hope this helps. > > -- > Jason K. Fritcher > jkf@wolfnet.org > > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > Version: 3.12 > GCS d-(+) s+:++ a-- C++@ UB++++S+++$ P++(-) L- !E W+(--) N++(+) o? K- > w--() O M- !V PS(+) PE Y+ PGP(++) t+@ 5 X+ R>+ tv+(--) b+>++ DI D++ G > e h--- r+++ y+++ > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 22 13: 1: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9FAF37B74C for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:01:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA21803; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:01:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ken) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:01:00 -0700 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Brian Beattie Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help diagnoseing a panic Message-ID: <20000222140100.A21773@panzer.kdm.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from beattie@aracnet.com on Tue, Feb 22, 2000 at 11:10:47AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Feb 22, 2000 at 11:10:47 -0800, Brian Beattie wrote: > I have started getting a panic in the past couple of weeks on my > 4.0-Current system. The immediate symptom is disk related. I was > wondering if anybody could give me some hints in trying to determine if > this is hardware or software. > > The problem occurs under heavy disk (SCSI) load "rm -rf /usr/src" or "pax > -rw / /usr /mnt" or even "make release". Setting up a serial console is > possible, thought difficult, since I lack the spare hardware to dedicate. > > The panic refers to an SCB I can copy down the error message if anybody is > willing to try to decypher it, so far the message tends to scroll off > before I get a chance. Do you have DDB enabled? That may stop things from scrolling off the screen. It'll also provide a stack trace from the panic. You'll probably need to provide the error messages, either by copying them down, or preferrably from a serial console, since it will be almost impossible to diagnose the problem without them. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 22 13: 4:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from bubba.whistle.com (bubba.whistle.com [207.76.205.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF0337B6D1; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:04:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id NAA30708; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:04:34 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <200002222104.NAA30708@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: NETGRAPH patches (proposal) In-Reply-To: <20000221143707.21862.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> from Maksim Yevmenkin at "Feb 21, 2000 06:37:07 am" To: m_evmenkin@yahoo.com (Maksim Yevmenkin) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:04:34 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Maksim Yevmenkin writes: > Here are some small patches for NETGRAPH. > These are against -current cvsup'ed yesterday around 8:30pm EST. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~evmax/ng.tar.gz > > It also includes small test program (based on nghook). > Compile and run it like: > > # ./a.out -a iface_name: divert > > NETGRAPH option in kernel config file is required. > > Here is the description. ng_ether node has two hooks ``divert'' and > ``orphan''. > It is possible to connect to the one of the hooks and intercept row Ethernet > frames. But there is no clean way to intercept frame, do something and > return it back to kernel. > > This patch provides additional hook ``divertin'' (mmm... name is not good, > i think) for each ng_ether node. > > Implementation issues > > This will not work for ``orphan'' frames. Since kernel drops it anyway, i > decided to leave it as it is. But is is possible to intercept ``orphan'' > packets, change it, and write back to ``divertin''. The "divertin" hook is a useful idea.. after 4.0-REL we can check something in based on your patches... Thanks! -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 22 13:56:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from kcmso1.proxy.att.com (kcmso1.att.com [192.128.133.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7321537B6FF; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 13:56:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from myevmenkin@att.com) Received: from mo3980r1.ems.att.com ([135.38.12.14]) by kcmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id QAA02931; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:55:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from njb140bh1.ems.att.com by mo3980r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id QAA24003; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:51:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by njb140bh1.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:55:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Yevmenkin, Maksim N, CSCIO" To: "'Archie Cobbs'" Cc: "'freebsd-current@freebsd.org'" , "'freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: NETGRAPH patches (proposal) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:55:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Here is the description. ng_ether node has two hooks ``divert'' and > > ``orphan''. > > It is possible to connect to the one of the hooks and > intercept row Ethernet > > frames. But there is no clean way to intercept frame, do > something and > > return it back to kernel. > > > > This patch provides additional hook ``divertin'' (mmm... > name is not good, > > i think) for each ng_ether node. > > > > Implementation issues > > > > This will not work for ``orphan'' frames. Since kernel > drops it anyway, i > > decided to leave it as it is. But is is possible to > intercept ``orphan'' > > packets, change it, and write back to ``divertin''. > > The "divertin" hook is a useful idea.. after 4.0-REL we can check > something in based on your patches... > ok. i just have a dumb question. what is the big deal with updating ether_shost in ethernet header in ngether_rcvdata. since we are passing raw ethernet frame, why should we update ether_shost? wouldn't it be nice to make it optional? just another control message? Thanks, emax To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 22 14:26: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from bubba.whistle.com (bubba.whistle.com [207.76.205.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 569FA37B816; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:25:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA42237; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:25:56 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <200002222225.OAA42237@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: NETGRAPH patches (proposal) In-Reply-To: from "Yevmenkin, Maksim N, CSCIO" at "Feb 22, 2000 04:55:21 pm" To: myevmenkin@att.com (Yevmenkin Maksim N CSCIO) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:25:55 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yevmenkin, Maksim N, CSCIO writes: > > > Here is the description. ng_ether node has two hooks ``divert'' and > > > ``orphan''. > > > It is possible to connect to the one of the hooks and > > intercept row Ethernet > > > frames. But there is no clean way to intercept frame, do > > something and > > > return it back to kernel. > > > > > > This patch provides additional hook ``divertin'' (mmm... > > name is not good, > > > i think) for each ng_ether node. > > > > > > Implementation issues > > > > > > This will not work for ``orphan'' frames. Since kernel > > drops it anyway, i > > > decided to leave it as it is. But is is possible to > > intercept ``orphan'' > > > packets, change it, and write back to ``divertin''. > > > > The "divertin" hook is a useful idea.. after 4.0-REL we can check > > something in based on your patches... > > > > ok. i just have a dumb question. what is the big deal with updating > ether_shost > in ethernet header in ngether_rcvdata. since we are passing raw ethernet > frame, > why should we update ether_shost? wouldn't it be nice to make it optional? > just another control message? I agree.. you should have to set the host address manually. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 22 16:15:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D6937B823 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:15:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id KAA03062; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:45:19 +1030 (CST) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:45:19 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Brian Beattie Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help diagnoseing a panic Message-ID: <20000223104519.A2912@freebie.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday, 22 February 2000 at 11:10:47 -0800, Brian Beattie wrote: > I have started getting a panic in the past couple of weeks on my > 4.0-Current system. The immediate symptom is disk related. I was > wondering if anybody could give me some hints in trying to determine if > this is hardware or software. > > The problem occurs under heavy disk (SCSI) load "rm -rf /usr/src" or "pax > -rw / /usr /mnt" or even "make release". Setting up a serial console is > possible, thought difficult, since I lack the spare hardware to dedicate. > > The panic refers to an SCB I can copy down the error message if anybody is > willing to try to decypher it, so far the message tends to scroll off > before I get a chance. You really need to compile a kernel with debugging symbols, if you haven't already done so, and take a dump when the system crashes. There's a section on it in the handbook. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 22 18:54:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from filk.iinet.net.au (filk.iinet.net.au [203.59.24.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3BBA37B882; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 18:54:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from jules.elischer.org (reggae-20-179.nv.iinet.net.au [203.59.85.179]) by filk.iinet.net.au (8.8.4/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA28134; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:54:06 +0800 Message-ID: <38B34BBA.41C67EA6@elischer.org> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 18:53:46 -0800 From: Julian Elischer X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Archie Cobbs Cc: Yevmenkin Maksim N CSCIO , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NETGRAPH patches (proposal) References: <200002222225.OAA42237@bubba.whistle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Archie Cobbs wrote: > > Yevmenkin, Maksim N, CSCIO writes: > > > > Here is the description. ng_ether node has two hooks ``divert'' and > > > > ``orphan''. > > > > It is possible to connect to the one of the hooks and > > > intercept row Ethernet > > > > frames. But there is no clean way to intercept frame, do > > > something and > > > > return it back to kernel. > > > > > > > > This patch provides additional hook ``divertin'' (mmm... > > > name is not good, > > > > i think) for each ng_ether node. > > > > > > > > Implementation issues > > > > > > > > This will not work for ``orphan'' frames. Since kernel > > > drops it anyway, i > > > > decided to leave it as it is. But is is possible to > > > intercept ``orphan'' > > > > packets, change it, and write back to ``divertin''. > > > > > > The "divertin" hook is a useful idea.. after 4.0-REL we can check > > > something in based on your patches... > > > > > > > ok. i just have a dumb question. what is the big deal with updating > > ether_shost > > in ethernet header in ngether_rcvdata. since we are passing raw ethernet > > frame, > > why should we update ether_shost? wouldn't it be nice to make it optional? > > just another control message? > > I agree.. you should have to set the host address manually. > > -Archie It's because all packets sent by this node should have the node's address. If you don't have it then PPPoE cannot send a packet "FROM" thia node, as it has no idea of what this node's address is. > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message -- __--_|\ Julian Elischer / \ julian@elischer.org ( OZ ) World tour 2000 ---> X_.---._/ presently in: Perth v To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 22 21: 3:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from bubba.whistle.com (bubba.whistle.com [207.76.205.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC8C37B8DE; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:03:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id VAA84742; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:02:44 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <200002230502.VAA84742@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: NETGRAPH patches (proposal) In-Reply-To: <38B34BBA.41C67EA6@elischer.org> from Julian Elischer at "Feb 22, 2000 06:53:46 pm" To: julian@elischer.org (Julian Elischer) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:02:43 -0800 (PST) Cc: archie@whistle.com (Archie Cobbs), myevmenkin@att.com (Yevmenkin Maksim N CSCIO), freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Julian Elischer writes: > > > ok. i just have a dumb question. what is the big deal with updating > > > ether_shost > > > in ethernet header in ngether_rcvdata. since we are passing raw ethernet > > > frame, > > > why should we update ether_shost? wouldn't it be nice to make it optional? > > > just another control message? > > > > I agree.. you should have to set the host address manually. > > It's because all packets sent by this node should have the node's > address. If you don't have it then PPPoE cannot send a packet "FROM" > thia node, as it has no idea of what this node's address is. So.. we can have two hooks, one that sets the host address and one that doesn't.. :-) -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 22 21:29:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from server1.huntsvilleal.com (www.huntsvilleal.com [207.13.224.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 307E237B921 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:29:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@hiwaay.net) Received: from barricuda.bsd.nws.net (kris.huntsvilleal.com [207.13.224.46]) by server1.huntsvilleal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05438 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 00:13:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by barricuda.bsd.nws.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27468 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:29:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kris@hiwaay.net) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:29:42 -0600 (CST) From: Kris Kirby To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Voice Over IP (VOIP) support? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Do we have anyone actively working on Voice Over IP (VOIP) programs or other interfaces for FreeBSD? I'm highly interested and would be willing to assist in anyway that I can. ---- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | ------------------------------------------------------- "God gave them the ability to reproduce... ... Science gave us the hope they won't." -KBK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 22 21:36:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ind.alcatel.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFBA737B9B4 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:36:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com (mailhub [198.206.181.70]) by ind.alcatel.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (ind.alcatel.com 3.0 [OUT])) with SMTP id VAA07927; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:35:40 -0800 (PST) X-Origination-Site: Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id VAA02257; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:35:40 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com (homer.softweyr.com [204.68.178.39]) by omni.xylan.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (Xylan engr [SPOOL])) with ESMTP id VAA19342; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 21:35:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38B37356.B36C4B9F@softweyr.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:42:46 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Cc: Christoph Kukulies , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as high speed router References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Matthew N. Dodd" wrote: > > On Tue, 22 Feb 2000, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > I'm thinking of using two PCI network cards. Fast Ethernet, no problem. > > But FDDI, what card? > > fpa0: port 0xe400-0xe47f mem 0xfafd0000-0xfafdffff,0xfafee000-0xfafee07f irq 4 at device 6.0 on pci0 > fpa0: DEC DEFPA PCI FDDI SAS Controller > fpa0: FDDI address 00:00:f8:40:e4:a8, FW=2.46, HW=0, SMT V7.2 > fpa0: FDDI Port = S (PMD = Unshielded Twisted Pair) > > You want one of these (DEFPA-??). Can you still buy them? If so, what are they called now that DEC doesn't exist anymore? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 22 22:20:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5408A37B7B3 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:20:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA25520; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 01:20:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 01:19:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Wes Peters Cc: Christoph Kukulies , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as high speed router In-Reply-To: <38B37356.B36C4B9F@softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 22 Feb 2000, Wes Peters wrote: > Can you still buy them? If so, what are they called now that DEC doesn't > exist anymore? I think Compaq has always sold them under their own label though I've never had my hands on any to verify this. I'm pretty sure that some 3com boards are actually OEMed DEF[EP]A boards too. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 22 22:21:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F406237B850 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:21:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id WAA25247; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:21:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:21:25 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200002230621.WAA25247@apollo.backplane.com> To: "David E. Cross" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: "David E. Cross" , dillon@backplane.com Subject: Re: stuck NFS procs (LONG) References: <200002180857.DAA15752@cs.rpi.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, I've reproduced the NFS problem: server> cp /usr/bin/vi vi1 client> ./vi1 server> echo > vi1 client> (try to do somtehing in vi, like 'o') I'm tracking it down now. I should be able to work up a fix quickly and get an approved commit in for 4.0. (Reply-To set to remove -hackers). -Matt : :I just ran a tcpdump -s1500 for 5 minutes, gathered ~21k of data over that :time, no mentions of stale NFS handles from the NFS server... it would :appear the NFS client is not asking for those pages (it makes sense, since if :it asked and got the 'stale' error one would expect the SEGV). : :-- :David Cross | email: crossd@cs.rpi.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 22 23:18:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from cs.Technion.AC.IL (csa.cs.technion.ac.il [132.68.32.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D1737B85B for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:18:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nadav@cs.technion.ac.il) Received: from csd.cs.technion.ac.il (csd.cs.technion.ac.il [132.68.32.8]) by cs.Technion.AC.IL (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA06638; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:18:32 +0200 (IST) Received: from localhost (nadav@localhost) by csd.cs.technion.ac.il (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA21393; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:18:30 +0200 (IST) X-Authentication-Warning: csd.cs.technion.ac.il: nadav owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:18:29 +0200 (IST) From: Nadav Eiron X-Sender: nadav@csd To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Cc: Wes Peters , Christoph Kukulies , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as high speed router In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > On Tue, 22 Feb 2000, Wes Peters wrote: > > Can you still buy them? If so, what are they called now that DEC doesn't > > exist anymore? > > I think Compaq has always sold them under their own label though I've > never had my hands on any to verify this. > > I'm pretty sure that some 3com boards are actually OEMed DEF[EP]A boards > too. DEC's networking business went to Cabletron. I'm not sure they still make them, but they at list advertise them. Take a look at: http://www.cabletron.com/digital/dr/npg/index-fm.html#NICs > > -- > | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | > | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | > | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | > > Nadav To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 22 23:35:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from camus.cybercable.fr (camus.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A129D37B8BB for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:35:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from herbelot@cybercable.fr) Received: (qmail 9688909 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2000 07:35:10 -0000 Received: from d122.paris-30.cybercable.fr (HELO cybercable.fr) ([212.198.30.122]) (envelope-sender ) by camus.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Feb 2000 07:35:10 -0000 Message-ID: <38B38CCB.84F23BE6@cybercable.fr> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:31:23 +0100 From: Thierry Herbelot X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kirby Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Voice Over IP (VOIP) support? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There is a very recent and not yet complete "openH323" port which should be a way to VoIP. TfH Kris Kirby wrote: > > Do we have anyone actively working on Voice Over IP (VOIP) programs or > other interfaces for FreeBSD? I'm highly interested and would be willing > to assist in anyway that I can. > [SNIP] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 1: 7:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C25A237B815; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 01:07:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 23 Feb 2000 08:57:51 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:57:50 +0000 From: David Malone To: Archie Cobbs Cc: julian@elischer.org, myevmenkin@att.com, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NETGRAPH patches (proposal) Message-ID: <20000223085750.A29008@walton.maths.tcd.ie> References: <38B34BBA.41C67EA6@elischer.org> <200002230502.VAA84742@bubba.whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200002230502.VAA84742@bubba.whistle.com>; from archie@whistle.com on Tue, Feb 22, 2000 at 09:02:43PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Feb 22, 2000 at 09:02:43PM -0800, Archie Cobbs wrote: > > It's because all packets sent by this node should have the node's > > address. If you don't have it then PPPoE cannot send a packet "FROM" > > thia node, as it has no idea of what this node's address is. > > So.. we can have two hooks, one that sets the host address and > one that doesn't.. :-) In that case can we have one that also sets the destination address via arp? David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 1:22:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (overcee.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D657537B8CF for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 01:22:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979921CDF; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:18:08 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Sergey Babkin Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DeCSS In-Reply-To: Message from Sergey Babkin of "Mon, 21 Feb 2000 22:31:35 EST." <38B20317.8C63436C@bellatlantic.net> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:18:08 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20000223091808.979921CDF@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sergey Babkin wrote: > Peter Wemm wrote: > > > > I would love to make a port of this, for reasons that become obvious once y ou > > see the page. (Think of all the mailing list archives and mirrors) > > > > http://www.totse.com/DeCSS/ > > > > Be sure to read it before commenting, it's not what you might think. > > I can't help keeping wondering if this MAA > is missing the point completely: why would > someone need the decryption to make a _copy_ ? > A copy is a copy and it appears to me that > the encrypted bits written on the disk surface > could be copied just exactly as well as the > decrypted bits. Probably the real reason they > start this activity is because otherwise they > would lose some kind of royalties from the > DVD-players manufacturers. As a diversion to the original topic, I'll comment on what the DVD CCA and MPAA are doing. First of all, decrypting the data is *NOT* required in order to copy the DVD. This is how 99.99% of the copying is done presently - ie: a bit-by-bit copy of the data and re-stamping a new DVD. css-auth and DeCSS are not required for this. All you need is special hardware to read it - read: a DVD drive that you have hacked the firmware in order to get at the raw bitstream. What the MPAA and DVD CCA are really up to is trying to mantain a monopoly on who can write or sell *players* of DVD's and keep those people under their control. There are 512 "player keys" that each DVD is encoded with. By licensing the CSS code etc you are really buying into the key space. The intent is that if one of the keys is compromised (eg: the Xing key) they can cease mastering DVD's with that key. As a result, all new DVD's would no longer work with that particular Xing player or things like css-auth etc which have ripped off a copy of the key. However, there is a darker side to it all. Part of the license conditions to get your foot in the door is that your player *MUST* obey things like region codes. It *MUST* play in normal speed the compulsory tracks. This means that you cannot buy a DVD in europe and play it in the US. It means you cannot fast-forward past things like piracy warnings and advertising. (That's right, you have to sit and watch Disney's Trailers in full before you can watch the rest of the DVD.) The manufacturers *MUST* include the magnavision anti-VCR distortion to prevent recording on VCRs, etc. The DVD CCA (copy control association) would probably be better named the 'content control association'. It prevents third parties from mastering DVD's as they don't have the knowledge of the player keys. They probably can make DVD's but they would be totally unprotected. What is to stop a manufacturer taking the de-css or css-auth code and using that instead of paying the fees (rumoured to be multiple millions of dollars) to get a player key allocated to them - very little in theory. The css algorithm and keys were a trade secret and it's been blown. However, in practice, the moment a manufacturer thinks about doing this, you can bet your last cent that no new DVD's will work on that machine. IMHO, what would be FAR better would be for things that use the Xing keys to go away, and something else used that exploited the weaknesses of the CSS system itself. A couple of researchers have found that CSS is *SO PATHETICALLY WEAK* that it takes merely a few seconds on a reasonably quick computer to break the session key for the DVD without having *any* knowledge of the compromised Xing key. That way the MPAA and CCA can't claim that you are using a stolen key, because you are not using any of the 512 player keys. You are simply figuring out what the session key is. The moment a hardware manufacturer (who isn't a CCA "subject") makes a DVD player using the CSS weaknesses, then all bets are off. DeCSS and css-auth will be obsolete overnight. MPAA can sue to their heart's content but will not have a leg to stand on. They can't claim it's there to enable piracy as the player does nothing but play the DVD. They can't claim the use of stolen keys as none are being used. They can't claim trade secret violation as the player manufacturer would not have been a party to he trade secret contracts. The problem that the freeware players have is that the components (eg: css-auth) are based on compromised keys and are used to decode the contents of the DVD, which *could* allow piracy (but not very cost effective piracy, as the space required to copy it costs far more than the original DVDs do). That's the straw that seems to be within the reach of the MPAA/CCA at the moment, apart from having lots of $$$$ to make it very hard for the average person to fight. A binary "player program" that can't be used to seperately decode the DVD's should be theoretically immune to even that angle of attack, as long as you have the nerve and resources to stand up to the legal harassment. (Just my comments as an interested observer (from region 4) over the last few months. IANAL etc) Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 2:46:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de (gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de [194.233.237.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76DE537B86D for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 02:46:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cracauer@gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by gilgamesch.bik-gmbh.de (8.9.3/8.7.3) id LAA45895; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:42:14 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:42:14 +0100 From: Martin Cracauer To: Christoph Kukulies Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD as high speed router Message-ID: <20000223114214.A45619@cons.org> References: <200002220935.KAA14202@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200002220935.KAA14202@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de>; from kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE on Tue, Feb 22, 2000 at 10:35:48AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <200002220935.KAA14202@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de>, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > A question to the network experts: > > I want to build a router between FDDI and Fast Ethernet [...] > CPU will be a PIII (something fast, 500 MHz). > Do I need much memory or would be 32 MB for the router purposes > sufficient? I have a Firewall with quite some filtering that has a throughput of about 7MB/sec. It is a P-90 in a HX board with 32 MB and two fxp cards, so you definitivly don't need ninja macho pentium for this task (better give it to me :-). The thing is bootet from floppy and is a pure filtering router, no NAT, no applications/server, no proxies (which is suicide on a firewall anyway). Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer/ BSD User Group Hamburg, Germany http://www.bsdhh.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 3: 1:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from nets5.rz.rwth-aachen.de (nets5.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B321137B546 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 03:01:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.240]) by nets5.rz.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1/10) with ESMTP id LAA01554; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:57:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.30.2]) by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1/3) with ESMTP id LAA27627; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:57:58 +0100 (MET) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.3/8.6.9) id LAA23948; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:57:22 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:57:22 +0100 From: Christoph Kukulies To: Martin Cracauer Cc: Christoph Kukulies , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD as high speed router Message-ID: <20000223115722.A23927@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> References: <200002220935.KAA14202@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> <20000223114214.A45619@cons.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000223114214.A45619@cons.org>; from cracauer@cons.org on Wed, Feb 23, 2000 at 11:42:14AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Feb 23, 2000 at 11:42:14AM +0100, Martin Cracauer wrote: > In <200002220935.KAA14202@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de>, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > > > A question to the network experts: > > > > I want to build a router between FDDI and Fast Ethernet > [...] > > CPU will be a PIII (something fast, 500 MHz). > > Do I need much memory or would be 32 MB for the router purposes > > sufficient? > > I have a Firewall with quite some filtering that has a throughput of > about 7MB/sec. It is a P-90 in a HX board with 32 MB and two fxp Interesting. > The thing is bootet from floppy and is a pure filtering router, no > NAT, no applications/server, no proxies (which is suicide on a > firewall anyway). Would be interesting to tell how you managed to produce a bootable floppy with the subsequent scripting that starts the OS and all that. -- Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 3:13:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A9D37B7AE for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 03:13:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02193; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:07:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200002231107.MAA02193@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as high speed router In-Reply-To: <20000223115722.A23927@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from Christoph Kukulies at "Feb 23, 2000 11:57:22 am" To: Christoph Kukulies Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:07:53 +0100 (CET) Cc: Martin Cracauer , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I have a Firewall with quite some filtering that has a throughput of > > about 7MB/sec. It is a P-90 in a HX board with 32 MB and two fxp > > Interesting. > > > The thing is bootet from floppy and is a pure filtering router, no > > NAT, no applications/server, no proxies (which is suicide on a > > firewall anyway). > > Would be interesting to tell how you managed to produce a bootable floppy > with the subsequent scripting that starts the OS and all that. you can probably look at the scripts used in picobsd (in the source tree) and you will also find in the images at http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ip_dummynet/ http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/pgm.html (probably second one is more featureful). The idea is that the rc.network scripts try to match the MAC address of the first card found with a database of ethernet cards in /etc/hosts, getting a hostname and then assigning a machine identity, and from there rc.conf.local and rc.firewall have a switch() to decide what to do and all the rest. cheers luigi -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) Mobile +39-347-0373137 -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 4:41:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from knight.cons.org (nebula.cons.org [194.233.237.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC0DD37B863 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 04:41:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cracauer@knight.cons.org) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by knight.cons.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05900; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:41:14 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:41:14 +0100 From: Martin Cracauer To: Christoph Kukulies Cc: Martin Cracauer , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD as high speed router Message-ID: <20000223134113.A5723@cons.org> References: <200002220935.KAA14202@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> <20000223114214.A45619@cons.org> <20000223115722.A23927@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000223115722.A23927@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de>; from kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE on Wed, Feb 23, 2000 at 11:57:22AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <20000223115722.A23927@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de>, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > On Wed, Feb 23, 2000 at 11:42:14AM +0100, Martin Cracauer wrote: > > The thing is bootet from floppy and is a pure filtering router, no > > NAT, no applications/server, no proxies (which is suicide on a > > firewall anyway). > > Would be interesting to tell how you managed to produce a bootable floppy > with the subsequent scripting that starts the OS and all that. This setup is still 2.2.8-stable as the same thing done with 3.x will not fit onto the floppy. It was done before PicoBSD, otherwise I would have based by work on that. Basically, a small and kzip'ed kernel and needed stuff are put into a 1.44 MB file that is disklabeled and newfs'd as a BSD FFS. The trick I used is that I have a custom `init` binary, which looks at getpid() and argv[0] and depending on that bahaves like: - init - df - login (against md5'ed passwd stored in binary) - dmesg - a simple more - sleep - route You can hardlink it to these names and it will then get its intended behaviour from argv[0]. To save inodes, you may also choose the behaviour by switches to the name 'init' (which behaves like a real init only when it is pid 1). The advantage is of course that you have just one binary, this saves a lot of space, especially when you don't want shared libraries. Other stuff on the floppy are telnet, ls, /bin/sh, ifconfig, tcpdump and ipfw in maximaum stripped versions and with many #ifdef's turned off. Some of that is compressed, after evaluating advantages and disadvantages. I am not allowed to post the whole setup here, because if contains much of our network achitekture. However, I planned to switch to PicoBSD anyway (mostly to get to FreeBSD-3.x) and hope that I'm allowed to contribute the init(8) as described above. Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer/ Tel.: (private) +4940 5221829 Fax.: (private) +4940 5228536 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 5: 1:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ab-bg.net (ab-bg.net [212.56.11.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F0B7137B722 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 05:00:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from v0rbiz@ab-bg.net) Received: (qmail 6274 invoked by uid 1000); 23 Feb 2000 12:58:53 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Feb 2000 12:58:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:58:53 +0200 (EET) From: Victor Ivanov To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone? In-Reply-To: <38B16CEA.9284CB98@newsguy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Marco van de Voort wrote: > > [cut] > > The case centered on the fact that _copies_ of the disassembled object > code had been made, to enable the reverse engineering. If I have the drivers and disassemble them "real-time" directly from the files (dlls, etc) and view the 'source' on the screen what is the difference between this and viewing the 'source' on the printer? and how can you recognise the exact source when it is assembler and everything is so similar. And what about reading the hex dump :). What is 'a copy'? And what abot 'I don't know, it just worked. Really! cat /dev/random > ~/drivers.tgz' :) Anyway, how can one proof you've done something illegal? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 5:13:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from kweetal.tue.nl (kweetal.tue.nl [131.155.2.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2882A37B7C6 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 05:13:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcov@toad.stack.nl) Received: from hermes.tue.nl [131.155.2.46] by kweetal.tue.nl (8.9.3) for id OAA15736 (ESMTP); Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:13:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from deathstar (n194.dial.tue.nl [131.155.209.193]) by hermes.tue.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4E02E804 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:13:17 +0100 (CET) From: "Marco van de Voort" To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:10:33 +0100 Subject: Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone? References: <38B16CEA.9284CB98@newsguy.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Message-Id: <20000223131317.9C4E02E804@hermes.tue.nl> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Marco van de Voort wrote: > > > > [cut] [cut again] > If I have the drivers and disassemble them "real-time" directly from the > files (dlls, etc) and view the 'source' on the screen what is the > difference between this and viewing the 'source' on the printer? and how > can you recognise the exact source when it is assembler and everything is > so similar. And what about reading the hex dump :). What is 'a copy'? > And what abot 'I don't know, it just worked. Really! cat /dev/random > > ~/drivers.tgz' :) > Anyway, how can one proof you've done something illegal? Can't remember having said anything about how to practically implement it, just said that it is illegal (as told to me by a Dutch Law professor when we had copyright problems with partially reverse engineered Turbo Vision code) Marco van de Voort (MarcoV@Stack.nl) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 5:58:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from kcmso1.proxy.att.com (kcmso1.att.com [192.128.133.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A445C37B6F7; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 05:58:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from myevmenkin@att.com) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by kcmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id IAA25553; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id IAA11040; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:57:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:58:17 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Yevmenkin, Maksim N, CSCIO" To: "'David Malone'" , Archie Cobbs Cc: julian@elischer.org, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: NETGRAPH patches (proposal) CONT. Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:58:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Tue, Feb 22, 2000 at 09:02:43PM -0800, Archie Cobbs wrote: > > > > It's because all packets sent by this node should have the node's > > > address. If you don't have it then PPPoE cannot send a > packet "FROM" > > > thia node, as it has no idea of what this node's address is. > > > > So.. we can have two hooks, one that sets the host address and > > one that doesn't.. :-) > > In that case can we have one that also sets the destination address > via arp? > i added new control message for ``ngether_node''. i called it NGEF_RAW_MODE. now you can set it to on/off by using NgSendMsg. ``ngether_rcvdata'' will not update ``ether_shost'' if it set to on. otherwise it will. patches available at http://home.earthlink.net/~evmax/ng.tar.gz these are against -current cvsup'ed this sunday around 8:30pm EST. it also includes small test program based ion ``nghook''. Thanks, emax To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 6: 7:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from gidgate.gid.co.uk (gid.co.uk [194.32.164.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 117CC37B8DD for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:07:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: (from rb@localhost) by gidgate.gid.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id OAA28928; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 14:06:03 GMT (envelope-from rb) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000223134557.009962a0@192.168.255.1> X-Sender: rbmail@gid.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:57:04 +0000 To: Martin Cracauer , Christoph Kukulies From: Bob Bishop Subject: Re: FreeBSD as high speed router Cc: Martin Cracauer , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000223134113.A5723@cons.org> References: <20000223115722.A23927@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> <200002220935.KAA14202@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> <20000223114214.A45619@cons.org> <20000223115722.A23927@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, At 13:41 23/02/00 +0100, Martin Cracauer wrote: >In <20000223115722.A23927@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de>, Christoph Kukulies >wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2000 at 11:42:14AM +0100, Martin Cracauer wrote: > > > The thing is bootet from floppy and is a pure filtering router, no > > > NAT, no applications/server, no proxies (which is suicide on a > > > firewall anyway). > > > > Would be interesting to tell how you managed to produce a bootable floppy > > with the subsequent scripting that starts the OS and all that. > >This setup is still 2.2.8-stable as the same thing done with 3.x will >not fit onto the floppy. It was done before PicoBSD, otherwise I would >have based by work on that. We're using a similar setup based on 3.3-STABLEish PicoBSD. Configuration includes wdc support in the kernel, ed, telnetd, ftp client, and some extras of our own, and it's running in 16MB of RAM. It's basically just a plain ol' custom PicoBSD and it all fits on one floppy, although we're actually booting it from compact flash (hence the wdc support, so we can save changes to configuration). There's even room on the floppy for fsck in case we get careless updating the flash. -- Bob Bishop +44 118 977 4017 rb@gid.co.uk fax +44 118 989 4254 (0800-1800 UK) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 7:16: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from gothic.iinet.net.au (gothic.iinet.net.au [203.59.24.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E6D37B89E; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 07:15:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from jules.elischer.org (reggae-20-228.nv.iinet.net.au [203.59.85.228]) by gothic.iinet.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA21454; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:14:17 +0800 Message-ID: <38B3F8FC.2781E494@elischer.org> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 07:13:00 -0800 From: Julian Elischer X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Malone Cc: Archie Cobbs , myevmenkin@att.com, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NETGRAPH patches (proposal) References: <38B34BBA.41C67EA6@elischer.org> <200002230502.VAA84742@bubba.whistle.com> <20000223085750.A29008@walton.maths.tcd.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Malone wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 22, 2000 at 09:02:43PM -0800, Archie Cobbs wrote: > > > > It's because all packets sent by this node should have the node's > > > address. If you don't have it then PPPoE cannot send a packet "FROM" > > > thia node, as it has no idea of what this node's address is. > > > > So.. we can have two hooks, one that sets the host address and > > one that doesn't.. :-) > > In that case can we have one that also sets the destination address > via arp? Now I think you are talking a separate node that implements such a protocol. > > David. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message -- __--_|\ Julian Elischer / \ julian@elischer.org ( OZ ) World tour 2000 ---> X_.---._/ presently in: Perth v To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 8:46: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [192.109.159.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 537FC37B6F9 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 08:45:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by picalon.gun.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10166; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:45:30 +0100 (MET) >Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA73942; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:24:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:24:56 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: Christoph Kukulies Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD as high speed router Message-ID: <20000223172456.A69798@titan.klemm.gtn.com> References: <200002220935.KAA14202@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200002220935.KAA14202@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de>; from kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE on Tue, Feb 22, 2000 at 10:35:48AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT SMP X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Feb 22, 2000 at 10:35:48AM +0100, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > A question to the network experts: > > I want to build a router between FDDI and Fast Ethernet > (possibly without creating a subnet - something like arp proxy > but that's more an IP issue; maybe someone can comment this also) That's sick, this way you don't have a strict separation between 2 lans and the router arps in both segments. Two have a real "broadcast firewall" you should avoid proxy arp. Figure out, you want to get the hosts in a segment and ping to the broadcast address. In a normal routed segment without proxy-arp you only the the station answering, which are in the segment. Turning on proxy arp you also get answers from machines from other connected lans... I'd avoid that ! Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html powered by Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD Get new songs from our band: http://www.freebsd.org/~andreas/64bits/index.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 10:15:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from bubba.whistle.com (bubba.whistle.com [207.76.205.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD87A37B950; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:15:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA87838; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:15:01 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <200002231815.KAA87838@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: NETGRAPH patches (proposal) In-Reply-To: <38B3F8FC.2781E494@elischer.org> from Julian Elischer at "Feb 23, 2000 07:13:00 am" To: julian@elischer.org (Julian Elischer) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:15:01 -0800 (PST) Cc: dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie, myevmenkin@att.com, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Julian Elischer writes: > > > > It's because all packets sent by this node should have the node's > > > > address. If you don't have it then PPPoE cannot send a packet "FROM" > > > > thia node, as it has no idea of what this node's address is. > > > > > > So.. we can have two hooks, one that sets the host address and > > > one that doesn't.. :-) > > > > In that case can we have one that also sets the destination address > > via arp? > > Now I think you are talking a separate node that implements > such a protocol. Right.. ARP is an IP-specific protocol. Ethernet nodes should have no specific knowledge of ARP. But it would be easy to create an ARP node that sat between the IP stack and an Ethernet node... it would maintain an ARP cache, and when it saw an outgoing dest IP address that was unmapped would issue an ARP request, etc. It would listen to the incoming Ethertypes for IP and ARP coming up from the Ethernet node. This brings up another point.. to really do this correctly we would also need a 802.3/802.2 node type that decoded Ethertypes and SNAP headers. It would have a "downstream" hook that connected to the Ethernet node and also hooks for "ip", "arp", "appletalk", "aarp" (AppleTalk's ARP), "ipx", "ipv6", etc. Also, it could suport generic Ethertype hooks having names of the form "0xNNNN". Probably the raw Ethernet node type should not even know about 802.3 (the standard 14 byte Ethernet header and the 60 byte minimum packet length).. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 10:27:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from cs.rpi.edu (mumble.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.8.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2C237B950 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:27:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crossd@cs.rpi.edu) Received: from cs.rpi.edu (monica.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.7.2]) by cs.rpi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18054; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:27:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200002231827.NAA18054@cs.rpi.edu> To: "David E. Cross" , dillon@backplane.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, crossd@cs.rpi.edu Subject: Re: stuck NFS procs (LONG) In-Reply-To: Message from Matthew Dillon of "Tue, 22 Feb 2000 22:21:25 PST." <200002230621.WAA25247@apollo.backplane.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:27:49 -0500 From: "David E. Cross" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hmm... would this address the specific instances of our problems as well? The two problems that we saw were a hard-locked machine, and the emacs process in forever disk-wait. The emacs binary would never have been in a position to be truncated or modified at all when this problem happened. -- David Cross | email: crossd@cs.rpi.edu Acting Lab Director | NYSLP: FREEBSD Systems Administrator/Research Programmer | Web: http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~crossd Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, | Ph: 518.276.2860 Department of Computer Science | Fax: 518.276.4033 I speak only for myself. | WinNT:Linux::Linux:FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 10:43:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ckmso1.proxy.att.com (ckmso1.att.com [12.20.58.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9F537B9D4; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:43:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from myevmenkin@att.com) Received: from njb140r1.ems.att.com ([135.65.202.58]) by ckmso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id NAA23162; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:43:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from njb140bh2.ems.att.com by njb140r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id NAA11284; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by njb140bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:43:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Yevmenkin, Maksim N, CSCIO" To: "'Archie Cobbs'" , julian@elischer.org Cc: dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: RE: NETGRAPH patches (proposal) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:43:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > From: Archie Cobbs [mailto:archie@whistle.com] > Julian Elischer writes: > > > > > It's because all packets sent by this node should > have the node's > > > > > address. If you don't have it then PPPoE cannot send > a packet "FROM" > > > > > thia node, as it has no idea of what this node's address is. > > > > > > > > So.. we can have two hooks, one that sets the host address and > > > > one that doesn't.. :-) > > > > > > In that case can we have one that also sets the > destination address > > > via arp? > > > > Now I think you are talking a separate node that implements > > such a protocol. > > Right.. ARP is an IP-specific protocol. Ethernet nodes should have > no specific knowledge of ARP. > [...] > This brings up another point.. to really do this correctly we would > also need a 802.3/802.2 node type that decoded Ethertypes and SNAP > headers. It would have a "downstream" hook that connected to the > Ethernet node and also hooks for "ip", "arp", "appletalk", "aarp" > (AppleTalk's ARP), "ipx", "ipv6", etc. Also, it could suport > generic Ethertype hooks having names of the form "0xNNNN". > > Probably the raw Ethernet node type should not even know about 802.3 > (the standard 14 byte Ethernet header and the 60 byte minimum packet > length).. i think that ethernet driver should be just raw ethernet node. it should not have any specific knowledge about upper levels. these raw nodes connected to another node that will perform the same functionality as ``ether_input'' does. i.e. it will decode type and send data to the appropriate hook. if the hook is connected - fine, we got data and put it to the protocol stack. if not - just drop. so we are really control the system. if we need specific protocol in the stack just load specific node and connect it to the hook. we can use simple name convention for the hooks (like "ether_0xNNN" where NNN is type) and in this case we do not have to change ``ether_input'' node. this looks more and more like STREAMS :). but NETGRAPH do not put data in the ``envelope'' like STREAMS does. the only thing that bothers me... how we can marry existing functionality and NETGRAPH? i vote for NETGRAPH :) it is c00l :) i just like the idea of connecting raw ethernet device driver with tty level :) thanks, emax To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 10:54:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B4B37B6F9 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:54:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20478; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:54:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:54:15 -0500 (EST) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200002231854.NAA20478@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: "Yevmenkin, Maksim N, CSCIO" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: NETGRAPH patches (proposal) In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG CC's trimmed! < said: > this looks more and more like STREAMS Which is part of the reason why Netgraph will always remain an optional add-on, rather than the way the protocol stack is normally constructed. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 11:31: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from web2203.mail.yahoo.com (web2203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 65FFB37BA3E for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:30:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from theguru_wizard@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 17224 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2000 19:30:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20000223193057.17223.qmail@web2203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [196.15.138.2] by web2203.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:30:57 PST Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:30:57 -0800 (PST) From: Deon Fialkov To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG unsubscribe ===== Success is the result of good judgement. Good judgement is the result of experience, and experience is often the result of bad judgement. There are NO strangers in this world; only FRIENDS waiting to be met! <|:o) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 12:18:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from spirit.jaded.net (spirit.jaded.net [216.94.113.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7132237B992 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:18:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@spirit.jaded.net) Received: (from dan@localhost) by spirit.jaded.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01950; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:17:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:17:18 -0500 From: Dan Moschuk To: Peter Wemm Cc: Sergey Babkin , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DeCSS Message-ID: <20000223151718.A1731@spirit.jaded.net> References: <20000223091808.979921CDF@overcee.netplex.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000223091808.979921CDF@overcee.netplex.com.au>; from peter@netplex.com.au on Wed, Feb 23, 2000 at 05:18:08PM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG | IMHO, what would be FAR better would be for things that use the Xing keys | to go away, and something else used that exploited the weaknesses of the | CSS system itself. A couple of researchers have found that CSS is *SO | PATHETICALLY WEAK* that it takes merely a few seconds on a reasonably quick | computer to break the session key for the DVD without having *any* | knowledge of the compromised Xing key. That way the MPAA and CCA can't | claim that you are using a stolen key, because you are not using any of the | 512 player keys. You are simply figuring out what the session key is. Correct! CSS is so pathetic that breaking it in runtime is quite easily accomplished. Each DVD has a disk key, which is stored in a five byte hash on the disk. The disk key is also stored encrypted with all the various player keys. The layout looks something like this: 5 byte disk key hash Disk key encrypted with player key 1 Disk key encrypted with player key 2 ... Disk key encrypted with player key n When a disk is inserted, the player decrypts the disk key with its assigned player key, then hashes it and compares it to the 5 byte hash. Since CSS is a 40bit cipher (something to do with US export regulations I'm sure), attacking the keyspace is quite trivial to do (about a complexity of 2^25). Another interesting point is that with one player key compromised, one can derive the rest of the player keys through a similar search. -- Dan Moschuk (TFreak!dan@freebsd.org) "Waste not fresh tears on old griefs." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 12:23:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail4.aracnet.com (mail4.aracnet.com [216.99.193.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5BC37B9B9 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:23:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from beattie@aracnet.com) Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (IDENT:root@shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by mail4.aracnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23481 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:23:49 -0800 Received: from localhost by shell1.aracnet.com (8.9.3) id MAA31179; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:24:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.aracnet.com: beattie owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:24:34 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Beattie To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: recomendations for a msdos terminal program Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have an old pen computer that runs msdos. It has a keyboard and a floppy and I would like to use it to hook up a serial console. Dose anybody have a recomendation for a terminal program that I can download, or directions on using kermit to connect to com2. The two programs I have downloaded so far seem to only want to talk to a modem. While I'm sure I can beat one of them into submission I though I'd ask for advice before I spend too much more time. Brian Beattie | The only problem with beattie@aracnet.com | winning the rat race ... www.aracnet.com/~beattie | in the end you're still a rat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 12:39:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD7837B9C6 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:39:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id VAA13827; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 21:12:20 +0100 (MET) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03057; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:13:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wilko) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:13:45 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Wes Peters Cc: "Matthew N. Dodd" , Christoph Kukulies , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD as high speed router Message-ID: <20000223201345.H817@yedi.iaf.nl> References: <38B37356.B36C4B9F@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <38B37356.B36C4B9F@softweyr.com>; from wes@softweyr.com on Tue, Feb 22, 2000 at 10:42:46PM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD yedi.iaf.nl 3.4-STABLE FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Feb 22, 2000 at 10:42:46PM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > "Matthew N. Dodd" wrote: > > > > On Tue, 22 Feb 2000, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > > I'm thinking of using two PCI network cards. Fast Ethernet, no problem. > > > But FDDI, what card? > > > > fpa0: port 0xe400-0xe47f mem 0xfafd0000-0xfafdffff,0xfafee000-0xfafee07f irq 4 at device 6.0 on pci0 > > fpa0: DEC DEFPA PCI FDDI SAS Controller > > fpa0: FDDI address 00:00:f8:40:e4:a8, FW=2.46, HW=0, SMT V7.2 > > fpa0: FDDI Port = S (PMD = Unshielded Twisted Pair) > > > > You want one of these (DEFPA-??). > > Can you still buy them? If so, what are they called now that DEC doesn't > exist anymore? If you are interested I have a couple of DEFPA with SAS MMF fibre attachments for trade. New in the antistatic bag. -- Wilko Bulte Arnhem, The Netherlands http://www.tcja.nl The FreeBSD Project: http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 13: 3:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB9037B9EA for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:03:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA31863; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:03:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:03:07 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200002232103.NAA31863@apollo.backplane.com> To: "David E. Cross" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, crossd@cs.rpi.edu Subject: Re: stuck NFS procs (LONG) References: <200002231827.NAA18054@cs.rpi.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Hmm... would this address the specific instances of our problems as well? :The two problems that we saw were a hard-locked machine, and the emacs :process in forever disk-wait. The emacs binary would never have been in a :position to be truncated or modified at all when this problem happened. : :-- :David Cross | email: crossd@cs.rpi.edu :Acting Lab Director | NYSLP: FREEBSD I think the emacs lockup you reported is a different bug. I would need a kernel dump & kernel.debug binary to research that more (I'd need to track down why the page everyone is waiting on is locked). I don't know about the hardlock you reported. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 13: 4:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from celery.dragondata.com (celery.dragondata.com [205.253.12.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E3D37BA07 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:04:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toasty@celery.dragondata.com) Received: (from toasty@localhost) by celery.dragondata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08931; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:04:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from toasty) From: Kevin Day Message-Id: <200002232104.PAA08931@celery.dragondata.com> Subject: Re: recomendations for a msdos terminal program To: beattie@aracnet.com (Brian Beattie) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 15:04:04 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Brian Beattie" at Feb 23, 2000 12:24:34 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I have an old pen computer that runs msdos. It has a keyboard and a > floppy and I would like to use it to hook up a serial console. Dose > anybody have a recomendation for a terminal program that I can download, > or directions on using kermit to connect to com2. > > The two programs I have downloaded so far seem to only want to talk to a > modem. While I'm sure I can beat one of them into submission I though I'd > ask for advice before I spend too much more time. > > Brian Beattie | The only problem with > beattie@aracnet.com | winning the rat race ... > www.aracnet.com/~beattie | in the end you're still a rat > Find your nearest simtel morror, and look under 'msdos/qmodem'. Qmodem is one of the better terminal emulators I used from my MSDOS days. Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 13:27:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from bubba.whistle.com (bubba.whistle.com [207.76.205.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0DB037BA0E for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:27:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) id NAA96202 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:27:44 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <200002232127.NAA96202@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: disklabel warning To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 13:27:44 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We had a situation yesterday where someone had written an incorrect disklabel, and one partition was overlapping the swap partition, with the predictably disasterous results. It seems like 'mount' (either the program or in the kernel) could do a quick disklabel sanity check before mounting a partition and give a warning or error if the thing you're about to mount overlaps something already mounted (or swapon'd). How hard would this be to do? Where would be the right place in the code to do it? -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 17: 2:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5615437BA11 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:02:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28417; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:02:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <200002240102.UAA28417@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:02:06 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Brian Beattie Subject: RE: recomendations for a msdos terminal program Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 23-Feb-00 Brian Beattie wrote: > I have an old pen computer that runs msdos. It has a keyboard and a > floppy and I would like to use it to hook up a serial console. Dose > anybody have a recomendation for a terminal program that I can download, > or directions on using kermit to connect to com2. > > The two programs I have downloaded so far seem to only want to talk to a > modem. While I'm sure I can beat one of them into submission I though I'd > ask for advice before I spend too much more time. Telemate is a good one, and IIRC it allows you to specify a direct connection instead of a modem. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 17:31:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net (smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net [209.3.218.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5E037BA7E for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:31:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from babkin@bellatlantic.net) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-198-135-26.bellatlantic.net [151.198.135.26]) by smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA21583; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:31:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38B48BBD.2DBBDCBA@bellatlantic.net> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:39:09 -0500 From: Sergey Babkin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-19990626-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin Cracauer Cc: Christoph Kukulies , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD as high speed router References: <200002220935.KAA14202@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> <20000223114214.A45619@cons.org> <20000223115722.A23927@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> <20000223134113.A5723@cons.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Martin Cracauer wrote: > > In <20000223115722.A23927@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de>, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > Would be interesting to tell how you managed to produce a bootable floppy > > with the subsequent scripting that starts the OS and all that. > > The trick I used is that I have a custom `init` binary, which looks at > getpid() and argv[0] and depending on that bahaves like: Now as the CD-ROM drives are quite cheap (I've got a 24x IDE drive for $30 about half a year ago) and the CD-writers are commonplace (and the writable/ re-witable CDs are also cheap) a bootable CD-ROM may be a simpler and more extensible solution. The bootable CD-ROMs can be created with mkhybrid: just create a floppy image that will mount cdrom as it root FS and give it to mkhybrid. You can still use floppy for such things as configuration files. The only caveat is to make sure that your BIOS is able to boot from CDROM. -SB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 17:43:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net (smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net [209.3.218.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A504B37BA80 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 17:43:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from babkin@bellatlantic.net) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-198-135-26.bellatlantic.net [151.198.135.26]) by smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA22005; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:43:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38B48E9A.A4E6D841@bellatlantic.net> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:51:22 -0500 From: Sergey Babkin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-19990626-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Beattie Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: recomendations for a msdos terminal program References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brian Beattie wrote: > > I have an old pen computer that runs msdos. It has a keyboard and a > floppy and I would like to use it to hook up a serial console. Dose > anybody have a recomendation for a terminal program that I can download, > or directions on using kermit to connect to com2. As far as I remember for Kermit it would be something like: set port 2 set speed 19200 (or whatever you want) connect You can write them to the Kermit start-up file and get them auto-executed when you start Kermit. And to exit from the connection to the command mode the default key is ^] or maybe ^[, can't remember now, it's normally displayed in the lowest row. If your kermit is not _very_ ancient you can get help by entering "set ?" to get the list of options for set or "set port ?" to get the help for "set port". "help" gives the list of the commands. I still have Kermit with sources from about '94 somewhere in my archives, let me know if you want it. > The two programs I have downloaded so far seem to only want to talk to a > modem. While I'm sure I can beat one of them into submission I though I'd > ask for advice before I spend too much more time. Make the modem initialization strings empty, if there is an option "ignore carrier" then enable it, select right speed. Go to the terminal mode. That should be it. -SB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 18:23:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2C537BAA0 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:23:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p59-dn02kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.124]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) with ESMTP id LAA06834; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:23:04 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <38B490FF.C9FBCC56@newsguy.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:01:35 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Victor Ivanov Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Victor Ivanov wrote: > > If I have the drivers and disassemble them "real-time" directly from the > files (dlls, etc) and view the 'source' on the screen what is the > difference between this and viewing the 'source' on the printer? and how > can you recognise the exact source when it is assembler and everything is > so similar. And what about reading the hex dump :). What is 'a copy'? > And what abot 'I don't know, it just worked. Really! cat /dev/random > > ~/drivers.tgz' :) > Anyway, how can one proof you've done something illegal? Witness depositions, records, this sort of stuff. Don't try to dismiss laws as being senseless. They are still laws, and they will still be enforced against you if you step on the wrong toes, and whether you think they are senseless or not will not mean *a damn thing* to the people whose entires lives revolve around applying them. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "If you consider our help impolite, you should see the manager." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 20:38:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0835B37BA4C for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:38:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from batie@agora.rdrop.com) Received: (from batie@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.7) id UAA16532; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:38:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from batie) Message-ID: <20000223203833.51757@rdrop.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:38:33 -0800 From: Alan Batie To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: building netscape plugins Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=+QahgC5+KEYLbs62 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Has anyone built a plugin for Netscape? I just downloaded 4.72 and sdk30b5 and built the UnixTemplate "nptemplate.so" on 3.3-RELEASE. When I go to Help/About Plugins, netscape complains that it has a bad magic number. It's the FreeBSD netscape, but I tried "brandelf"ing it to Linux in case it wanted a Linux number or something weird, but that didn't help. -- Alan Batie ______ www.rdrop.com/users/batie Me batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A \ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ www.anti-spam.net NO SPAM! --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBOLS1yYv4wNua7QglAQE1SQQAxaYisgTgQruElOLXmpRYNzeyX9x7r0Nn Qt+KdJznNNchrlA3r0KgeWihJbCt642R4OhzVusL8u2xh1AHruBsUMyU2lcnHKdS /VFWuGUAO6kf2/U2JtrGkzJiM0Yke4uAmA8HE5DwbA+Vqan3gOrjeiYSF5YQcFfZ dfJOl27OQUM= =rFkE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 20:50:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C66E37BA6C for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 20:50:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r18.bfm.org [216.127.220.114]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:51:11 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000223224931.00a34190@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:49:31 -0600 To: Deon Fialkov , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <20000223193057.17223.qmail@web2203.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 11:30 23-02-2000 -0800, Deon Fialkov wrote: >unsubscribe > >===== >Success is the result of good judgement. Good judgement is >the result of experience, and experience is often the result >of bad judgement. Hehehe! Sending the unsubscribe request to the list is the bad judgement, which will result in experience. That will result in good judgement (such as reading the unsubscribe direction seen at the bottom of each message). Following that will bring you success in usubscribing. :-)))) >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message Sorry, couldn't resist. :-)))))))))))) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 22:59:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1796E37BA11 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:59:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.3/frmug-2.5/nospam) with UUCP id HAA18603 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 07:59:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 258E88855; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 01:17:31 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 01:17:30 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Voice Over IP (VOIP) support? Message-ID: <20000224011730.A81577@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: hackers@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from kris@hiwaay.net on Tue, Feb 22, 2000 at 11:29:42PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF AMD-K6/200 & 2x PPro/200 SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Kris Kirby: > Do we have anyone actively working on Voice Over IP (VOIP) programs or > other interfaces for FreeBSD? I'm highly interested and would be willing > to assist in anyway that I can. We -- Eurocontrol, my work company -- have a product called AudioLAN. It is a VoIP product that runs on Solaris for the moment. It is being ported to FreeBSD at the moment but we have problem with audio handling. We also have problem on Linux with it and with vic/rat under FreeBSD so it may be a configuration glitch on our side... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #77: Thu Dec 30 12:49:51 CET 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 23 23:26:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from racine.cybercable.fr (racine.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A3AFC37BA9D for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 23:26:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from herbelot@cybercable.fr) Received: (qmail 12713290 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2000 07:26:21 -0000 Received: from d122.paris-30.cybercable.fr (HELO cybercable.fr) ([212.198.30.122]) (envelope-sender ) by racine.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Feb 2000 07:26:21 -0000 Message-ID: <38B4DC3B.6B81DC3B@cybercable.fr> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 08:22:35 +0100 From: Thierry Herbelot X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ollivier Robert Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Voice Over IP (VOIP) support? References: <20000224011730.A81577@keltia.freenix.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ollivier Robert wrote: > > According to Kris Kirby: > > Do we have anyone actively working on Voice Over IP (VOIP) programs or > > other interfaces for FreeBSD? I'm highly interested and would be willing > > to assist in anyway that I can. > > We -- Eurocontrol, my work company -- have a product called AudioLAN. It is a > VoIP product that runs on Solaris for the moment. It is being ported to > FreeBSD at the moment but we have problem with audio handling. > Hello, Will this "AudioLAN" be accessible ? (open source, even ?) TfH [SNIP] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 24 5:27: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from moo.sysabend.org (moo.sysabend.org [209.0.55.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E68837BC21 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 05:26:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21EF57555; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 05:30:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D931D89; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 05:30:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 05:30:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Bowden To: Brian Beattie Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: recomendations for a msdos terminal program In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Approved: yep X-representing: Only myself. X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Brian Beattie wrote: :The two programs I have downloaded so far seem to only want to talk to a :modem. While I'm sure I can beat one of them into submission I though I'd :ask for advice before I spend too much more time. If you can still find, I recommend Telix. Easy enough to use, and doesn't explicitly want a modem. Jamie Bowden -- "Of course, that's sort of like asking how other than Marketing, Microsoft is different from any other software company..." Kenneth G. Cavness To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 24 6: 2:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from aaz.links.ru (aaz.links.ru [193.125.152.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5F737BADD for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 06:02:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from babolo@links.ru) Received: (from babolo@localhost) by aaz.links.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21313; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:07:48 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: <200002241407.RAA21313@aaz.links.ru> Subject: Re: building netscape plugins In-Reply-To: <20000223203833.51757@rdrop.com> from "Alan Batie" at "Feb 23, 0 08:38:33 pm" To: batie@rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:07:48 +0300 (MSK) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Aleksandr A.Babaylov" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alan Batie writes: > Has anyone built a plugin for Netscape? I just downloaded 4.72 and > sdk30b5 and built the UnixTemplate "nptemplate.so" on 3.3-RELEASE. > When I go to Help/About Plugins, netscape complains that it has a bad > magic number. It's the FreeBSD netscape, but I tried "brandelf"ing it > to Linux in case it wanted a Linux number or something weird, but that > didn't help. Netscape for FreeBSD is in aout format, so you must build plugins in aout format too -- @BABOLO http://links.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 24 7: 7:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ati10.cs.uni-potsdam.de (ati10.cs.uni-potsdam.de [141.89.48.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16C237BDDE for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 07:07:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from krahmer@cs.uni-potsdam.de) Received: from localhost (krahmer@localhost) by ati10.cs.uni-potsdam.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA00912 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:06:45 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: ati10.cs.uni-potsdam.de: krahmer owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:06:45 +0100 (CET) From: Sebastian To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: EoE + USI++ Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, i just want to announce some tools/libraries that i've ported to freebsd: libUSI++, a C++ library similar to libnet, only better :-> and EoE, the Eyes on Exec device-driver that let you monitor root+user-activities. Hostbased IDS-perlscript included. USI++ was tested on FreeBSD 3.x/x86 where it compiles fine with gcc supporting namespaces and on FreeBSD 4.0/Aplha where it compiles without the RECVBUG-flag. http://www.cs.uni-potsdam.de/homepages/students/linuxer thanx Sebastian. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 24 9:11: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from atlas.dnai.com (atlas.dnai.com [207.181.194.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9072637BC53 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:10:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Jeremy@spridget.net) Received: from moltar.speed.net (dnai-207-181-211-241.cust.dnai.com [207.181.211.241]) by atlas.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA70581; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:10:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000224091811.00803100@dnai.com> X-Sender: jal@dnai.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:18:11 -0800 To: Jamie Bowden , Brian Beattie From: Jeremy Lockwood Subject: Re: recomendations for a msdos terminal program Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 05:30 AM 2/24/00 -0800, Jamie Bowden wrote: >On Wed, 23 Feb 2000, Brian Beattie wrote: > >:The two programs I have downloaded so far seem to only want to talk to a >:modem. While I'm sure I can beat one of them into submission I though I'd >:ask for advice before I spend too much more time. > >If you can still find, I recommend Telix. Easy enough to use, and doesn't >explicitly want a modem. > >Jamie Bowden > >-- http://www.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/telix/tlx351-h.zip I used to use it as a null modem terminal to connect to an archaic laptop. Jeremy Lockwood To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 24 9:31:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from hermes.research.kpn.com (hermes.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE8137C174 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 09:31:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from K.J.Koster@kpn.com) Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by research.kpn.com (PMDF V5.2-31 #35196) with ESMTP id <01JMANFZU88C000T7P@research.kpn.com> for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:31:41 +0100 Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <19A06Z63>; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:31:40 +0100 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:31:38 +0100 From: "Koster, K.J." Subject: kern/1857 kern/2742 To: 'FreeBSD Hackers mailing list' Cc: "'HeikkiSuonsivu'" Message-id: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522013138AF@l04.research.kpn.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear all, Has the patch suggested in kern/1856 been integrated into the normal sources? Has it been tested? Does the DIAGNOSTIC kernel option make false assumptions about the NFS subsystem? Is there anyone who has seen the "panic: leaf should be empty" kernel panic lately? 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF7EFF.E9848680-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 24 10:18:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FAAE37BCD7 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:18:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from batie@agora.rdrop.com) Received: (from batie@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.7) id KAA23673; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:18:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from batie) Message-ID: <20000224101812.13243@rdrop.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 10:18:12 -0800 From: Alan Batie To: "Aleksandr A.Babaylov" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: building netscape plugins References: <20000223203833.51757@rdrop.com> <200002241407.RAA21313@aaz.links.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <200002241407.RAA21313@aaz.links.ru>; from Aleksandr A.Babaylov on Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 05:07:48PM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 05:07:48PM +0300, Aleksandr A.Babaylov wrote: > Netscape for FreeBSD is in aout format, so you must > build plugins in aout format too OK, a little tweaking to the makefile and I get: ld: c++rt0.o: No such file or directory after a variety of efforts, I found that I had to add -aout to the CFLAGS and LD lines in /usr/src/lib/csu/i386/Makefile and make install to get the a.out .o's. With that, it's working. Thanks! -- Alan Batie ______ www.rdrop.com/users/batie Me batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A \ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ www.anti-spam.net NO SPAM! --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBOLV15Iv4wNua7QglAQE1RgQAmHCawGK0i9532Dl6GCE6eI76AtziIcjP K8oFQbdHsSoj1vOcEwTKU/EphT9tnxw4uTmnXnYjZsCm2BwAUMXKIbC1qWc2AJNe 5Bfnf85CFF52iOhmC8RhFDypb3xKRzWnLwQJnF244G/oPkOc+PUDnmmNh55IXZzo UOxUfNl1gvI= =/cTk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 24 11:26:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A767237C2E4 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:26:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.197.161]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA5FF4; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:26:02 +0100 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15586; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:42:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:42:38 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone? Message-ID: <20000224194238.M79013@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <002601bf7bc7$a1fbb800$d3bda2c2@hardcore> <38B0C98B.5F84A431@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <38B0C98B.5F84A431@newsguy.com>; from dcs@newsguy.com on Mon, Feb 21, 2000 at 02:13:47PM +0900 Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [20000221 08:00], Daniel C. Sobral (dcs@newsguy.com) wrote: >No, it was wrt to Playstation, Nintendo, Sega or something like that. >Mmmmm... I thinking it was probably wrt to SEGA, because there was also >a trademark dispute related to a small string. :-) An american company >tried to get a license to distribute games for the game console, but the >japanese company only licensed under the terms "We'll hold exclusive >distribution rights to all games you produce", which was deemed >unacceptable. So, the company went ahead and did a straight clean-room >reverse engineering. They were later sued for the following (roughly): This sounds like the URL I paste in the channel which was a case of SEGA versus Electronic Arts IIRC. -- Jeroen Ruigrok vd Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|bart.nl|freebsd.org] Documentation nutter/B-rated Coder BSD: Technical excellence at its best The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Religion... Is the opium of the people... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 24 14:27: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFDE37B9C0 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 14:26:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.3/frmug-2.5/nospam) with UUCP id XAA03314 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:26:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id B515087AE; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:25:57 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:25:57 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Voice Over IP (VOIP) support? Message-ID: <20000224212556.A88997@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: hackers@freebsd.org References: <20000224011730.A81577@keltia.freenix.fr> <38B4DC3B.6B81DC3B@cybercable.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <38B4DC3B.6B81DC3B@cybercable.fr>; from herbelot@cybercable.fr on Thu, Feb 24, 2000 at 08:22:35AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF AMD-K6/200 & 2x PPro/200 SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Thierry Herbelot: > Will this "AudioLAN" be accessible ? (open source, even ?) Yes, this is one of our objectives and I'm pushing for it to be released under a BSD license. No date yet. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #77: Thu Dec 30 12:49:51 CET 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 24 16:49: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from guppy.pond.net (guppy.pond.net [205.240.25.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7DC37C295; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:48:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ptacek@dashmail.net) Received: from Ptacek (rc1s7p8.dashmail.net [216.36.33.80]) by guppy.pond.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA16279; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:34:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <013701bf7f2a$1c4681c0$0301a8c0@Ptacek> From: "Ptacek" To: , Subject: modem program... Help Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:49:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I am currently writing a program that will use an attached modem to dial and connect to a remote site to gather data. I have been able to dial, connect, send data back and forth, but I just can't seem to get the modem to hangup. I probably have to bring the DTR low (+++ATH doesn't work). How do I do this? Also how can I detect if the modem is in command mode, for example if the line gets unplugged and I get a NO CARRIER back how do I know to read that as a command instead of data? Thanks, Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 24 17:18:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE9437BC74; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:18:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27663; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:29:05 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <013701bf7f2a$1c4681c0$0301a8c0@Ptacek> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:29:05 +1030 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Ptacek Subject: RE: modem program... Help Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 25-Feb-00 Ptacek wrote: > I just can't seem to get the modem to hangup. I probably have > to bring the DTR low (+++ATH doesn't work). How > do I do this? Also how can I detect if the modem is in > command mode, for example if the line gets unplugged and I > get a NO CARRIER back how do I know to read that as a > command instead of data? Your '+++ATH0' won't work because there is no delay between the +++ and the ATH0. ie do '+++' wait 2 seconds then send 'ATH0' Or you could set the modem to go into command mode on DTR drop.. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 24 17:44:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mrout1.yahoo.com (mrout1.yahoo.com [208.48.125.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3770F37BE73 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:44:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mfk@yahoo-inc.com) Received: from rootbeer.corp.yahoo.com (rootbeer.corp.yahoo.com [208.48.107.169]) by mrout1.yahoo.com (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta6/y.out) with ESMTP id e1P1i9c60256 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:44:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mfk@localhost) by rootbeer.corp.yahoo.com (8.9.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA12612 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:43:42 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: rootbeer.corp.yahoo.com: mfk owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 17:43:42 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Kyle X-Sender: mfk@rootbeer.corp.yahoo.com To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Shell Code... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi does anyone have shellcode for freebsd. If not, I'll disassemble execve, but I'd rather just pick it up from the group. Mike. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 24 18: 7:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ntstn.sasknow.com (h139-142-245-100.ss.fiberone.net [139.142.245.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 503E337BDC0; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:07:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ryan@sasknow.com) Received: from localhost (ryan@localhost) by ntstn.sasknow.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA90540; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:07:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ryan@sasknow.com) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:07:03 -0600 (CST) From: Ryan Thompson Reply-To: Ryan Thompson To: Ptacek Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: modem program... Help In-Reply-To: <013701bf7f2a$1c4681c0$0301a8c0@Ptacek> Message-ID: Organization: SaskNow Technologies [www.sasknow.com] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ptacek wrote to freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG and freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG: > Hi, I am currently writing a program that will use an attached > modem to dial and connect to a remote site to gather data. I > have been able to dial, connect, send data back and forth, but > I just can't seem to get the modem to hangup. I probably have > to bring the DTR low (+++ATH doesn't work). How > do I do this? Also how can I detect if the modem is in > command mode, for example if the line gets unplugged and I > get a NO CARRIER back how do I know to read that as a > command instead of data? > > Thanks, > Chris Hayes-compatible modems require a 1 or 2 second delay in between the +++ escape and the command. Sleep for 2 seconds before issuing any commands. The "NO CARRIER" is a message intended mainly for the terminal user to see. You should never attempt to parse messages like that. Instead, you should detect carrier in the hardware. -- Ryan Thompson Systems Administrator, Accounts Phone: +1 (306) 664-1161 SaskNow Technologies http://www.sasknow.com #106-380 3120 8th St E Saskatoon, SK S7H 0W2 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 24 18:10:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8E537BDC0 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:09:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA38765; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:09:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:09:07 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: Michael Kyle Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Shell Code... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Michael Kyle wrote: > > Hi does anyone have shellcode for freebsd. If not, > I'll disassemble execve, but I'd rather just pick > it up from the group. When the source is freely available, why do you need to disassemble? Besides that, what do you mean by shell code? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include C & Java programming, FreeBSD, chuckr@picnic.mat.net | electronics, communications, and signal processing. New Year's Resolution: I will not sphroxify gullible people into looking up fictitious words in the dictionary. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 24 18:12:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from boris.netgate.net (boris.netgate.net [204.145.147.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D96A37BD5B; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:12:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wellsian@caffeine.com) Received: from localhost (wellsian@localhost) by boris.netgate.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18396; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:11:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wellsian@caffeine.com) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:11:13 -0800 (PST) From: wellsian X-Sender: wellsian@boris.netgate.net To: "Daniel O'Connor" Cc: Ptacek , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: modem program... Help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You have to control and respond to state changes yourself. There is no "backchannel" available to tell you what's going on. More directly, there is no way to know if the modem is in command or data mode without keeping an eye on the data stream and handshake lines, sometimes injecting your own data to test the situation. In the case you brought up, you could only reliably know about the disconnect if you watch the CD line. You can certainly make your code smart, to look for delicate combinations like "NO CARRIER" but it gets annoying if you don't have to do it. If you have reasonable control over of the installation, the modem, and use of the software, say for a limited project, then you can write your code to rely on DTR/DSR/CD (and maybe RI) for most needs. This will give you the most reliable control, assuming you configure the modems properly and that they handle the lines correctly (not all do). Most commercial software uses both a configurable set of hardware lines and modem definition files describing modems' responses to commands and state changes. This is because the author rarely has any control over the type of modem. And often, the cable or other elements of the install aren't trustworthy. Writing a program for this environment - one that works reliably across a wide range of modems - can be quite difficult and usually results in "Yet Another Modem Control Language". :) If you have the choice, go for hardware control. It's the closest thing you have to a backchannel, and it removes a large portion of the guessing involved in automating modem connections. What remains is sending dial commands and recognizing a few "OK, BUSY, etc." messages. Much simpler. Been there...good luck. Dave On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > On 25-Feb-00 Ptacek wrote: > > I just can't seem to get the modem to hangup. I probably have > > to bring the DTR low (+++ATH doesn't work). How > > do I do this? Also how can I detect if the modem is in > > command mode, for example if the line gets unplugged and I > > get a NO CARRIER back how do I know to read that as a > > command instead of data? > > Your '+++ATH0' won't work because there is no delay between the +++ and the > ATH0. ie do '+++' wait 2 seconds then send 'ATH0' > > Or you could set the modem to go into command mode on DTR drop.. > > --- > Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer > for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au > "The nice thing about standards is that there > are so many of them to choose from." > -- Andrew Tanenbaum > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 24 18:22:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from builder.freebsd.org (builder.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C68037C206 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:22:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from green@FreeBSD.org) Received: from 2Cust106.tnt3.waldorf.md.da.uu.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by builder.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42520132D6; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:20:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:22:18 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Fundakowski Feldman X-Sender: green@green.dyndns.org To: Alexander Langer Cc: Jason Allum , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Big ATA problems In-Reply-To: <20000219182701.A18510@cichlids.cichlids.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 19 Feb 2000, Alexander Langer wrote: > Thus spake Jason Allum (jja@nxos.com): > > > > It seems Jose Gabriel Marcelino wrote: > > > Well, rebuild the loader, that helped Bryan, apparently it has > > > nothing to do with the ata driver.... > > i've had no troubles on my ata-based dell precision 410, running -current > > (circa -11pm last night). > > Yes, that's because you are using Windows, Windows it not affected by > ATA. ;-) > > Seriously, I have no problems too: You don't have any modules preloaded in /boot/loader.conf, do you? That's what breaks it. Why, I haven't been able to track down, and I've truly tried... Soren didn't even know why the last I checked why this was. The problem does exist, though. > > alex:~ $ uname -a ; ls -l /boot/loader > FreeBSD cichlids.cichlids.com 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #0: Sat > Feb 19 09:56:01 CET 2000 > alex@cichlids.cichlids.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/cichlids i386 > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 143360 10 Feb 22:58 /boot/loader* > > Alex > > -- > I need a new ~/.sig. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > -- Brian Fundakowski Feldman \ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! / green@FreeBSD.org `------------------------------' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 24 20:58:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF1B37BD71 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:58:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05085; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:58:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:58:22 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: Michael Kyle Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Shell Code... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Michael Kyle wrote: > > Hi does anyone have shellcode for freebsd. If not, > I'll disassemble execve, but I'd rather just pick > it up from the group. Yeah, the shellcode is 0xb238fb23b238gub2348b223bdfz23a89230934897a324987287bd8970d8997893981deadbeef21398778787aaa9797bb8979878d87f87 Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 24 21: 3:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from guppy.pond.net (guppy.pond.net [205.240.25.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E005937B58B; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:03:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ptacek@dashmail.net) Received: from Ptacek (rc1s7p8.dashmail.net [216.36.33.80]) by guppy.pond.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA16263; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:48:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <015201bf7f4d$ac963e00$0301a8c0@Ptacek> From: "Ptacek" To: , References: Subject: Re: modem program... Help Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:03:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks to all that replied... I have the +++ <2sec. delay>ATH working. I guess my only question now is how do I access the DTR, CD, etc signals from my code. Is there an example somewhere? I have looked through the termios man file but couldn't find anything? - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: wellsian To: Daniel O'Connor Cc: Ptacek ; ; Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 6:11 PM Subject: RE: modem program... Help > You have to control and respond to state changes yourself. There is no > "backchannel" available to tell you what's going on. More directly, there > is no way to know if the modem is in command or data mode without keeping > an eye on the data stream and handshake lines, sometimes injecting your > own data to test the situation. In the case you brought up, you could only > reliably know about the disconnect if you watch the CD line. You can > certainly make your code smart, to look for delicate combinations like "NO > CARRIER" but it gets annoying if you don't have to do it. > > If you have reasonable control over of the installation, the modem, and > use of the software, say for a limited project, then you can write your > code to rely on DTR/DSR/CD (and maybe RI) for most needs. This will > give you the most reliable control, assuming you configure the modems > properly and that they handle the lines correctly (not all do). > > Most commercial software uses both a configurable set of hardware lines > and modem definition files describing modems' responses to commands and > state changes. This is because the author rarely has any control over the > type of modem. And often, the cable or other elements of the install > aren't trustworthy. Writing a program for this environment - one that > works reliably across a wide range of modems - can be quite difficult and > usually results in "Yet Another Modem Control Language". :) If you have > the choice, go for hardware control. It's the closest thing you have to a > backchannel, and it removes a large portion of the guessing involved in > automating modem connections. What remains is sending dial commands and > recognizing a few "OK, BUSY, etc." messages. Much simpler. > > Been there...good luck. > > Dave > > On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > > > > On 25-Feb-00 Ptacek wrote: > > > I just can't seem to get the modem to hangup. I probably have > > > to bring the DTR low (+++ATH doesn't work). How > > > do I do this? Also how can I detect if the modem is in > > > command mode, for example if the line gets unplugged and I > > > get a NO CARRIER back how do I know to read that as a > > > command instead of data? > > > > Your '+++ATH0' won't work because there is no delay between the +++ and the > > ATH0. ie do '+++' wait 2 seconds then send 'ATH0' > > > > Or you could set the modem to go into command mode on DTR drop.. > > > > --- > > Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer > > for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au > > "The nice thing about standards is that there > > are so many of them to choose from." > > -- Andrew Tanenbaum > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 24 21:37:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from sprout.cgf.net (adsl-207-215-8-122.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [207.215.8.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EDA737BE27 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:37:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tomb@cgf.net) Received: from cgf.net (localhost.cgf.net [127.0.0.1]) by sprout.cgf.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01335 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:39:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tomb@cgf.net) Message-ID: <38B61594.9295662B@cgf.net> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:39:32 -0800 From: tom brown Organization: Badger Baisters (We do it with Lard) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Realaudio short sound clip then silence.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG So having found most of the answers to the problems I have been having with RealAudio, I am so close!!! I click on the link for the audio I want. RealPlayer starts and reports the following error LINUX: 'ioctl' fd=7, typ=0x44d(M), num=0x76 not implemented But it keeps going and plays about 0.2 sec of the desired clip and then silence... keeps counting and finally stops at about 7 seconds. I have tried the updating the emulation to get rid of the error message. And even though the problem message was suposed to have been fixed a long time ago, PR/ it still occures. I'm not convinced that is the problem but I'm not and expert with emulation. This is the setup. FreeBSD 3.4 RealPlayerG2 for linux. Linux 6.1 compat libs from the emulators page Soundblaster AWE 64 Can anyone help? Thanks. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 24 21:43:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.nyct.net (bsd4.nyct.net [204.141.86.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF3D37BE13 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:43:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mbac@nyct.net) Received: from bsd1.nyct.net (mbac@bsd1.nyct.net [204.141.86.3]) by mail.nyct.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA17118; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 00:43:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mbac@nyct.net) Received: from localhost (mbac@localhost) by bsd1.nyct.net (8.8.8/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17434; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 00:43:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mbac@nyct.net) X-Authentication-Warning: bsd1.nyct.net: mbac owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 00:43:31 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Bacarella To: Doug White Cc: Michael Kyle , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Shell Code... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I'll disassemble execve, but I'd rather just pick > > it up from the group. > > Yeah, the shellcode is > > 0xb238fb23b238gub2348b223bdfz23a89230934897a324987287bd8970d8997893981deadbeef21398778787aaa9797bb8979878d87f87 Hah. Do you use 0xDEADBEEF in practice too, or merely as a novelty? :) -MB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 25 2:26:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from neo.internetway.net (neo.internetway.net [212.155.223.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30EEE37C32E for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 02:26:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spe@internetway.net) Received: (from web@localhost) by neo.internetway.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA96545; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:27:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from spe@internetway.net) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:27:13 +0100 (CET) From: spe@internetway.net Message-Id: <200002251027.LAA96545@neo.internetway.net> X-Authentication-Warning: neo.internetway.net: web set sender to spe@internetway.net using -f To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: spe@internetway.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-MOQ951474433b66fc2dbfc6f1d4a92f99a2bf0e8d975" User-Agent: IMP/PHP3 Imap webMail Program 2.0.11 Subject: Ethernet Firewall patch for FreeBSD 3.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. ---MOQ951474433b66fc2dbfc6f1d4a92f99a2bf0e8d975 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi ! I'm just release an ethernet firewall for FreeBSD (filtering mac addresses for the moment). I send you a tar.gz containing patch for FreeBSD 3.4 + Doc + ethfw utility to configure rules + man page. This is my first dev release for a FreeBSD kernel. 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Bs/gGTyDZ/AMnsEzeAbP4Bk8g2fwDJ7BM3gGz+AZPIPnp+b5f5UPqSkAQAEA ---MOQ951474433b66fc2dbfc6f1d4a92f99a2bf0e8d975-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 25 4: 1:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ab-bg.net (ab-bg.net [212.56.11.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D769E37B884 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:01:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from v0rbiz@ab-bg.net) Received: (qmail 12016 invoked by uid 1000); 25 Feb 2000 11:59:53 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Feb 2000 11:59:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:59:53 +0200 (EET) From: Victor Ivanov To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone? In-Reply-To: <38B490FF.C9FBCC56@newsguy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Witness depositions, records, this sort of stuff. > > Don't try to dismiss laws as being senseless. They are still laws, and > they will still be enforced against you if you step on the wrong toes, > and whether you think they are senseless or not will not mean *a damn > thing* to the people whose entires lives revolve around applying them. > I'm not trying... all the time. I think Yamaha are stupid. If they want someone except Windows(r) users to use their hardware they should provide some information for writing drivers. I really respect the law. But in the country I live there is no law. And this is another story, not for this list I think. Sorry... :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 25 4:19:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ab-bg.net (ab-bg.net [212.56.11.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7415737BCE7 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:19:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from v0rbiz@ab-bg.net) Received: (qmail 12058 invoked by uid 1000); 25 Feb 2000 12:17:50 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Feb 2000 12:17:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:17:50 +0200 (EET) From: Victor Ivanov To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: modem program... Help In-Reply-To: <013701bf7f2a$1c4681c0$0301a8c0@Ptacek> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The modem's escape sequense is three escape symbols (usually '+') which maybe disabled if the escape symbol is >127 (stored in register 2): ATS2=x where x>127 disables it, so xxxATH0 won't work. It is good to disable it (otherwise you get dropped with a simple ping...). The default value is 43 ('+'). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 25 6:53:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from netfinity.nxos.com (firewall.nxos.com [209.166.45.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995BC37BD88 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 06:53:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jja@nxos.com) Received: from 0001 ([209.166.45.232]) by netfinity.nxos.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA21004 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:53:52 GMT Message-ID: <00cd01bf7fa0$b6037cc0$e82da6d1@nxos.com> From: "Jason Allum" To: Subject: powerpc cross compiler? Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:58:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i'm trying to setup gcc 2.95.2 as a powerpc (7400/G4) cross compiler on freebsd 3.4-release... i'm having no luck, as it keeps bombing out when it tries to build libgcc.a... anyone got any ideas? alpha people? ;) - jason allum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 25 7: 3:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from neo.internetway.net (neo.internetway.net [212.155.223.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270DF37B7C4 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 07:03:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spe@internetway.net) Received: (from web@localhost) by neo.internetway.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA86197; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:03:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from spe@internetway.net) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:03:26 +0100 (CET) From: spe@internetway.net Message-Id: <200002251503.QAA86197@neo.internetway.net> X-Authentication-Warning: neo.internetway.net: web set sender to spe@internetway.net using -f To: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: spe@internetway.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP3 Imap webMail Program 2.0.11 Subject: Stupid post... Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG sorry for my stupid mail with binary... spe. -- spe@internetway.net ------------------------------------------------------------ Mail sent with IntellNet WebMail http://www.internetway.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 25 8:19:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70FE37BE61 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 08:19:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (200yearstoolate@homer.softweyr.com [204.68.178.39]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA10159; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:19:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <38B6AD40.608D54C9@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:26:40 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Bacarella Cc: Doug White , Michael Kyle , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Shell Code... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Michael Bacarella wrote: > > > > I'll disassemble execve, but I'd rather just pick > > > it up from the group. > > > > Yeah, the shellcode is > > > > 0xb238fb23b238gub2348b223bdfz23a89230934897a324987287bd8970d8997893981deadbeef21398778787aaa9797bb8979878d87f87 > > Hah. Do you use 0xDEADBEEF in practice too, or merely as a novelty? :) In practice. I prefer 0xB00BFACE, however, or the harder-to-decipher 0xB19BOOB5: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ /_/ / /_/ /_/ / / / / /_/ /_ /_/ / _/ /_/ /_/ /_/ /_/ _/ "Treat me like the pig that I am." -- Andrew "Dice" Clay -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 25 10:31:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (smtp7.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.128.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89BD37BD39 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:31:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhix@mindspring.com) Received: from jhix.mindspring.com (user-33qtiiv.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.202.95]) by smtp7.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA25752; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:31:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (jhix@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jhix.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA51656; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:34:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhix@mindspring.com) To: jja@nxos.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: powerpc cross compiler? In-Reply-To: <00cd01bf7fa0$b6037cc0$e82da6d1@nxos.com> References: <00cd01bf7fa0$b6037cc0$e82da6d1@nxos.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on XEmacs 21.1 (Bryce Canyon) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000225103449I.jhix@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:34:49 -0800 From: W Gerald Hicks X-Dispatcher: imput version 990905(IM130) Lines: 43 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jason Allum" Subject: powerpc cross compiler? Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:58:01 -0500 > i'm trying to setup gcc 2.95.2 as a powerpc (7400/G4) cross compiler on > freebsd 3.4-release... i'm having no luck, as it keeps bombing out when it > tries to build libgcc.a... anyone got any ideas? alpha people? ;) > Hi Jason, You need some header files :-) You might pick up newlib-1.8.2.tar.gz and use the headers from there. For my own embedded work I contruct a "crosstree" and build the binutils, gcc and newlib components as an integral release the same way Cygnus builds their GNUpro tool chains. You can get an outdated version of their script from: ports/devel/crossm68k-devel/scripts (this will need some tweaking to make it work with the new components) The distfiles you want are: gcc-core-2.95.tar.gz (FSF) binutils-2.9.1.tar.gz (FSF) newlib-1.8.2.tar.gz (Cygnus) gdb-4.18.tar.gz (FSF - optional but has a useful simulator) I use powerpc-eabi for my ${TARGET} since I'm doing embedded development, don't know what to recommend for yours. I'd also recommend installing David Obriens updated GCC from ports first and using that to build the crosstree. Good Luck, Jerry Hicks jhix@mindspring.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 25 11:25:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from thehousleys.net (frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.96.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B4937BAC7 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:25:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Received: from baby.int.thehousleys.net (baby.int.thehousleys.net [192.168.0.24]) by thehousleys.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA36326 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:25:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehousleys.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baby.int.thehousleys.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01735 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:25:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Message-ID: <38B6D73A.9C13F02C@thehousleys.net> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:25:46 -0500 From: James Housley Organization: The Housleys dot Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Finding percent idle Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am trying to find out the current % idle of the machine from within a program. I have looked at the valuse provided by sysctl and found loadavg but not system idle. I have also looked through the source for top and haven't been able to figure that out. All pointers would be appreciated. Jim -- microsoft: "where do you want to go today?" linux: "where do you want to go tomorrow?" BSD: "are you guys coming, or what?" Unix is like a wigwam -- no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 25 13:17:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from blaubaer.kn-bremen.de (blaubaer.kn-bremen.de [195.37.179.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC4537BC52 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:17:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nox@saturn.kn-bremen.de) Received: from saturn.kn-bremen.de (uucp@localhost) by blaubaer.kn-bremen.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id WAA09693; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 22:11:21 +0100 Received: (from nox@localhost) by saturn.kn-bremen.de (8.9.3/8.8.5) id UAA03430; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 20:56:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 20:56:37 +0100 (CET) From: Juergen Lock Message-Id: <200002251956.UAA03430@saturn.kn-bremen.de> To: tomb@cgf.net Subject: Re: Realaudio short sound clip then silence.... X-Newsgroups: local.list.freebsd.hackers In-Reply-To: <38B61594.9295662B@cgf.net> Organization: home Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <38B61594.9295662B@cgf.net> you write: >So having found most of the answers to the problems I have been having >with RealAudio, I am so close!!! > >I click on the link for the audio I want. RealPlayer starts and reports >the following error >LINUX: 'ioctl' fd=7, typ=0x44d(M), num=0x76 not implemented > >But it keeps going and plays about 0.2 sec of the desired clip and then >silence... keeps counting and finally stops at about 7 seconds. Hmm it worked for me... does (pcm) sound work with other programs? (simple test, cat some (longer) .au to /dev/audio, or try to play a .wav, or a .mp3) if other programs have the problem too check if your souncard's interrupts get thru (dmesg to see which irq it wants to use, then systat -vm), if not you have a hardware/configuration problem. (could be just the interrupt routed wrong in the bios...) HTH, -- Juergen Lock (remove dot foo from address to reply) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 25 13:17:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from blaubaer.kn-bremen.de (blaubaer.kn-bremen.de [195.37.179.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18D637BC62; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:17:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nox@saturn.kn-bremen.de) Received: from saturn.kn-bremen.de (uucp@localhost) by blaubaer.kn-bremen.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id WAA09685; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 22:11:20 +0100 Received: (from nox@localhost) by saturn.kn-bremen.de (8.9.3/8.8.5) id VAA04133; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:12:23 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:12:23 +0100 (CET) From: Juergen Lock Message-Id: <200002252012.VAA04133@saturn.kn-bremen.de> To: ptacek@dashmail.net Subject: Re: modem program... Help X-Newsgroups: local.list.freebsd.hackers In-Reply-To: <015201bf7f4d$ac963e00$0301a8c0@Ptacek> References: Organization: home Cc: , Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG (hmm a crosspost to -hackers and -questions, is that good?) In article <015201bf7f4d$ac963e00$0301a8c0@Ptacek> you write: >Thanks to all that replied... I have the +++ <2sec. delay>ATH working. > >I guess my only question now is how do I access the DTR, CD, etc signals >from my code. Is there an example somewhere? I have looked through the >termios man file but couldn't find anything? Well the normal `unix' way to watch for CD is to turn off CLOCAL, then you'll get a SIGHUP when the modem loses its connection. (thats where that signal's name comes from, hangup. people have dialed into unix boxes over modems long before the internet got popular...) and to drop DTR you just do the equivalent of a `stty 0'. simple, eh? :) (once you know it...) HTH, -- Juergen Lock (remove dot foo from address to reply) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 25 14:26:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (law-f47.hotmail.com [209.185.130.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 93D2037BD7E for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:26:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pc_man_01@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 28745 invoked by uid 0); 25 Feb 2000 22:26:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20000225222619.28744.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 134.134.248.22 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:26:19 PST X-Originating-IP: [134.134.248.22] From: "Carl Wilson" To: mjacob@feral.com, hackers@freebsd.org, jlemon@americantv.com Subject: Intel Gigabit Driver Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:26:19 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was reading the below thread. Do you know where I can get a copy of the Gigabit driver to play with? Carl Wilson Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 13:39:21 -0600 (CST) From: Jonathan Lemon To: mjacob@feral.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Preliminary Intel PRO/1000 Gigabit driver for FreeBSD-current Message-ID: <199912211939.NAA04949@free.pcs> In-Reply-To: References: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Next in thread | Previous in thread | Raw E-Mail | Index | Archive | Help -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In article you write: > >I've copied a first cut of an Intel Pro/1000 Gigabit driver for freebsd to: > >http://www.freebsd.org/~mjacob/FreeBSD_Intel_Gige.patch.gz Um, no offense, but why didn't you coordinate with me earlier about this? I did tell you that I was working on the Intel GigE driver, and that I _DO_ have the documentation, but never heard back from you. I currently get roughly 300Mb/sec with my driver, and that's with the untuned version. I'm still waiting on Intel to get back to me about releasing the driver, but I don't really anticipate any problems, since the version that they have released is also under the BSD license. Note that the chip I'm working with is the next revision of this card, so it's entirely probable that your driver will not work with the newer Intel cards. -- Jonathan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 25 14:29:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA42937BD7E for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:29:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07472; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:29:46 -0800 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:29:44 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Carl Wilson Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, jlemon@americantv.com Subject: Re: Intel Gigabit Driver In-Reply-To: <20000225222619.28744.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It's integrated into -current now. It's also available in OpenBSD. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 25 16:36:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from blaubaer.kn-bremen.de (blaubaer.kn-bremen.de [195.37.179.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2072637BEC4; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:36:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nox@saturn.kn-bremen.de) Received: from saturn.kn-bremen.de (uucp@localhost) by blaubaer.kn-bremen.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id BAA13755; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 01:31:02 +0100 Received: (from nox@localhost) by saturn.kn-bremen.de (8.9.3/8.8.5) id BAA12178; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 01:32:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 01:32:02 +0100 (CET) From: Juergen Lock Message-Id: <200002260032.BAA12178@saturn.kn-bremen.de> To: ptacek@dashmail.net Subject: Re: modem program... Help X-Newsgroups: local.list.freebsd.hackers In-Reply-To: <200002252012.VAA04133@saturn.kn-bremen.de> References: Organization: home Cc: , Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Forgot something: In article <200002252012.VAA04133@saturn.kn-bremen.de> i wrioe: >Well the normal `unix' way to watch for CD is to turn off CLOCAL, >then you'll get a SIGHUP when the modem loses its connection. >(thats where that signal's name comes from, hangup. people have >dialed into unix boxes over modems long before the internet got >popular...) and to drop DTR you just do the equivalent of a `stty 0'. Or close the tty's fd... and if you don't want it to hang up (drop DTR) on close you reset HUPCL (tho usually thats just what you want.) also note how this means that `ordinary' programs like the login shell don't need to be aware that they're running on a modem line, when the user leaves them the tty driver will tell the modem to hang up and when the connection drops for whatever reason before the user left his shell/program it'll be killed/notified by the SIGHUP. And if you want some examples of modem handling or how to wait for CD to come on or how to portably do serial io efficiently look at uucp (especially /usr/src/gnu/libexec/uucp/libunix/serial.c), or another interesting one may be mgetty (/usr/ports/comms/mgetty+sendfax), that (unlike a `normal' getty) even interprets the modem messages and chats with the modem to be able to handle non-data calls too (i.e. faxes or voice, and if i remember right on some modems it will even get the caller id info...) HTH, -- Juergen Lock (remove dot foo from address to reply) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 25 16:41: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from guppy.pond.net (guppy.pond.net [205.240.25.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B8F37BEC4; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:40:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ptacek@dashmail.net) Received: from Ptacek (rc1s7p8.dashmail.net [216.36.33.80]) by guppy.pond.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA12666; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:25:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <01e301bf7ff2$2aa60600$0301a8c0@Ptacek> From: "Ptacek" To: , References: <200002252012.VAA04133@saturn.kn-bremen.de> Subject: Re: modem program... Help continued... Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:41:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well thanks to some examples I seem to have access to the modem signals. Unfortunately when I drop the DTR nothing happens. I have played with setting the &Dn and other values but nothing seems to work. Also it seems that the carrier detect signal is always high, even after a NO CARRIER. I have also tried clearing the CLOCAL flag to see if I get a signal (HUP), but I am not getting one. I have also tried to get the HUP signal by using the +++ATH command with no success. Currently I have a test program that I will include below, and it is dialing my other PC (hyperterminal) just to see if I can get the connection to work. If I am missing something please let me know. Maybe I just have a bad modem, I will try to look for a different one (it is internal, but that shouldn't matter, should it?) ; - Chris #include #include #include #include #include int serial_open( char *device, int baudrate, struct termios *old_tty ) ; int read_modem_resp(int sdev, char *buf, int max_len, int to ) ; int debug_lvl = 1; int main() { int dev1 ; int baudr = 9600 ; time_t tcur, tstart ; int iocval, csta, ctmp ; char out_buf[32] ; char mdm_str[] = "ATE0V1X4&C1&D0&Q1S0=0S2=43S7=45\r" ; char in_buf[128] ; int rlen ; struct termios oldtty1; struct termios oldtty2; /* use the device names for the serial connection, /dev/cuaa0 for serial port A * /dev/cuaa1 for serial port B (or whichever you are using) */ /* internal modem, port 4 (cuaa3) */ dev1 = serial_open("/dev/cuaa3", baudr, &oldtty1) ; if( dev1 == -1 ) { fprintf(stderr,"Failed to open dev1\n") ; exit(-1) ; } sprintf(out_buf,"AT\r") ; write(dev1, "ATZ\r", 4) ; if((rlen = read_modem_resp(dev1, in_buf, 128, 2 )) >= 0) { in_buf[rlen] = '\0' ; printf("READ:%s \n", in_buf ) ; fflush(stdout) ; } write(dev1, "ATE0\r", 5) ; write(dev1, mdm_str, strlen(mdm_str) ) ; write(dev1, out_buf, strlen(out_buf) ) ; if((rlen = read_modem_resp(dev1, in_buf, 128, 2 )) >= 0) { in_buf[rlen] = '\0' ; printf("READ:%s \n", in_buf ) ; fflush(stdout) ; } if((iocval=ioctl(dev1, TIOCMGET, &csta)) == -1) { printf("Couldn't read serial port info\n") ; } else { printf("Modem control lines (Register contents=0x%x)\n", csta) ; printf(" Carrier %spresent\n", (csta & TIOCM_CAR) ? "" : "not "); printf(" DTR line is %sactive\n", (csta & TIOCM_DTR) ? "" : "not "); printf(" DSR line is %sactive\n", (csta & TIOCM_DSR) ? "" : "not "); printf(" CTS line is %sactive\n", (csta & TIOCM_CTS) ? "" : "not "); printf(" RTS line is %sactive\n", (csta & TIOCM_RTS) ? "" : "not "); } sleep(2) ; write(dev1, "ATDT6176828\r", 12) ; printf("\nReading...\n") ; /* this is non-blocking so just loop */ tstart = time(NULL) ; tcur = tstart ; while( (tcur-tstart) < 80 ) { if((iocval=ioctl(dev1, TIOCMGET, &csta)) == -1) { printf("Couldn't read serial port info\n") ; } else { printf("Modem control lines (Register contents=0x%x)\n", csta) ; printf(" Carrier %spresent\n", (csta & TIOCM_CAR) ? "" : "not "); printf(" DTR line is %sactive\n", (csta & TIOCM_DTR) ? "" : "not "); printf(" DSR line is %sactive\n", (csta & TIOCM_DSR) ? "" : "not "); printf(" CTS line is %sactive\n", (csta & TIOCM_CTS) ? "" : "not "); printf(" RTS line is %sactive\n", (csta & TIOCM_RTS) ? "" : "not "); } tcur = time(NULL) ; if((rlen = read_modem_resp(dev1, in_buf, 128, 2 )) >= 0) { in_buf[rlen] = '\0' ; printf("READ:%s \n", in_buf ) ; fflush(stdout) ; } } /* write(dev1, "+++", 3) ; sleep(3) ; write(dev1, "ATH\r", 4) ; */ sleep(3) ; if((iocval=ioctl(dev1, TIOCMGET, &csta)) == -1) { printf("Couldn't read serial port info\n") ; } else { ctmp = csta ; ctmp &= ~TIOCM_DTR ; if((iocval=ioctl(dev1, TIOCMSET, &ctmp)) == -1) { printf("Couldn't set serial port info\n") ; } } tstart = time(NULL) ; tcur = tstart ; while( (tcur-tstart) < 20 ) { if((iocval=ioctl(dev1, TIOCMGET, &csta)) == -1) { printf("Couldn't read serial port info\n") ; } else { printf("Modem control lines (Register contents=0x%x)\n", csta) ; printf(" Carrier %spresent\n", (csta & TIOCM_CAR) ? "" : "not "); printf(" DTR line is %sactive\n", (csta & TIOCM_DTR) ? "" : "not "); printf(" DSR line is %sactive\n", (csta & TIOCM_DSR) ? "" : "not "); printf(" CTS line is %sactive\n", (csta & TIOCM_CTS) ? "" : "not "); printf(" RTS line is %sactive\n", (csta & TIOCM_RTS) ? "" : "not "); } tcur = time(NULL) ; if((rlen = read_modem_resp(dev1, in_buf, 128, 2 )) >= 0) { in_buf[rlen] = '\0' ; printf("READ:%s \n", in_buf ) ; fflush(stdout) ; } } exit(0) ; } /*----------------------- serial_open() --------------------------- * * Def: This function is the function that is used to open the * serial port used to communicate to the site. The old_tty * will be used to restore the original port settings when * the port is closed. * * Ret: handle to the device. * * Rev: * 1999/09/09 CP * *----------------------------------------------------------------- */ int serial_open( char *device, int baudrate, struct termios *old_tty ) { int tfd ; int flags ; struct termios tty ; if(debug_lvl >= 1) { fprintf(stderr,"OPEN: %s at %d\n", device, baudrate) ; } /* Open serial port for input */ /*tfd = open( device, O_RDWR | O_NOCTTY | O_NDELAY ) ;*/ tfd = open( device, O_RDWR | O_NDELAY ) ; if( tfd == -1 ) { perror("open_port") ; return(-1) ; } /* save old configuration */ if( tcgetattr( tfd, old_tty) < 0 ) { perror("tcgetattr") ; return(-1) ; } /* Configure device */ tty.c_iflag = 0 ; tty.c_oflag = 0 ; tty.c_lflag = 0 ; /*tty.c_cflag = (CS8 | CREAD) ; */ tty.c_cflag = (CS8 | CLOCAL | CREAD) ; tty.c_cc[VTIME] = 0 ; tty.c_cc[VMIN] = 0 ; /* set the speed */ cfsetispeed(&tty, baudrate) ; cfsetospeed(&tty, baudrate) ; printf( "in: %d Out: %d \n", tty.c_ispeed, tty.c_ospeed ) ; /* write out the settings */ if( tcsetattr(tfd, TCSANOW, &tty) < 0 ) { perror("tcsetattr") ; return(-1) ; } flags = fcntl(tfd, F_GETFL, 0) ; fcntl(tfd, F_SETFL, flags | FNDELAY) ; return(tfd) ; } int read_modem_resp(int sdev, char *buf, int max_len, int tmout ) { int i = 0 ; int tlen ; time_t tstart = time(NULL) ; time_t tcur ; do tlen = read(sdev, &buf[i], 1) ; if( tlen > 0) { if( buf[i] == '\r' ) { return(i) ; } i++ ; if( i >= max_len ) { return(i) ; } } tcur = time(NULL) ; }while( (tcur-tstart) < tmout ) ; return(i) ; } ----- Original Message ----- From: Juergen Lock To: Cc: ; Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 12:12 PM Subject: Re: modem program... Help > (hmm a crosspost to -hackers and -questions, is that good?) > > In article <015201bf7f4d$ac963e00$0301a8c0@Ptacek> you write: > >Thanks to all that replied... I have the +++ <2sec. delay>ATH working. > > > >I guess my only question now is how do I access the DTR, CD, etc signals > >from my code. Is there an example somewhere? I have looked through the > >termios man file but couldn't find anything? > > Well the normal `unix' way to watch for CD is to turn off CLOCAL, > then you'll get a SIGHUP when the modem loses its connection. > (thats where that signal's name comes from, hangup. people have > dialed into unix boxes over modems long before the internet got > popular...) and to drop DTR you just do the equivalent of a `stty 0'. > > simple, eh? :) (once you know it...) > > HTH, > -- > Juergen Lock > (remove dot foo from address to reply) > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 25 18:21:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from fb02.eng00.mindspring.net (fb02.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.229.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF8CE37BCC1 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:21:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from igiveup@ix.netcom.com) Received: from ix.netcom.com (user-2ini81b.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.32.43]) by fb02.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA21064; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:21:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38B73892.5C18F485@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:21:06 -0800 From: Ben Speirs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tom brown Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Realaudio short sound clip then silence.... References: <38B61594.9295662B@cgf.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG tom brown wrote: > > So having found most of the answers to the problems I have been having > with RealAudio, I am so close!!! > > I click on the link for the audio I want. RealPlayer starts and reports > the following error > LINUX: 'ioctl' fd=7, typ=0x44d(M), num=0x76 not implemented > > But it keeps going and plays about 0.2 sec of the desired clip and then > silence... keeps counting and finally stops at about 7 seconds. > > I have tried the updating the emulation to get rid of the error > message. And even though the problem message was suposed to have been > fixed a long time ago, PR/ it still occures. I'm not convinced that is > the problem but I'm not and expert with emulation. > > This is the setup. > > FreeBSD 3.4 > RealPlayerG2 for linux. > Linux 6.1 compat libs from the emulators page > Soundblaster AWE 64 > > Can anyone help? I have a similar setup (replace the AWE64 with an AWE32) and I get similar results. For every video or audio clip I play that same 'ioctl' message pops up. Only the fd=# changes occasionally. Most clips play fine, but a few exhibit that 1 second intro before it core dumps. When this happens the error message to the terminal window is : shmget: Cannot allocate memory and doing a "gdb -c realplay.core" reports : Core was generated by `realplay'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. #0 0x288a2679 in ?? () . . . While I have been testing this it has gotten worse. Now no video clips will play, only audio. I unloaded the linux.ko module and reloaded it with no effect. Hmm? Seems I'm probably causing more confusion here. I better bow out and let the experts handle this. One last comment though, the Linux version of rvplayer 5.0 is still working fine after all this. Of, course it does not do any G2 encoded files/streams. -- -Ben Speirs To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 25 20:11:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B97EA37BC0F for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 20:11:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17499; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 20:11:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 20:11:35 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: James Housley Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Finding percent idle In-Reply-To: <38B6D73A.9C13F02C@thehousleys.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 25 Feb 2000, James Housley wrote: > I am trying to find out the current % idle of the machine from within a > program. I have looked at the valuse provided by sysctl and found > loadavg but not system idle. I have also looked through the source for > top and haven't been able to figure that out. All pointers would be > appreciated. Last time I needed these values (for an LCD panel driver) I just stole the code from top. :) It involves grubbing around in kvm and counting ticks. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 26 5:22:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from over.ru (over.rinet.ru [195.54.192.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 364F637BC13 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 05:22:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tarkhil@over.ru) Received: (qmail 23963 invoked by uid 1000); 26 Feb 2000 13:22:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:22:55 +0300 From: Alex Povolotsky To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: C-FFS anyone? Message-ID: <20000226162255.A23927@over.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! I've just read (well, partially) a whitepaper named "Embedded Inodes and Explicit Grouping: Exploiting Disk Bandwidth for Small Files" (don't have URL at hand). Ideas presented there are QUIT interesting. Did anyone tried to implement them in BSD? Alex. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 26 5:44:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from blaubaer.kn-bremen.de (blaubaer.kn-bremen.de [195.37.179.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A155C37BC3B; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 05:44:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nox@saturn.kn-bremen.de) Received: from saturn.kn-bremen.de (uucp@localhost) by blaubaer.kn-bremen.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id OAA25653; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 14:38:30 +0100 Received: (from nox@localhost) by saturn.kn-bremen.de (8.9.3/8.8.5) id MAA44976; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:08:11 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:08:11 +0100 (CET) From: Juergen Lock Message-Id: <200002261108.MAA44976@saturn.kn-bremen.de> To: ptacek@dashmail.net Subject: Re: modem program... Help continued... X-Newsgroups: local.list.freebsd.hackers In-Reply-To: <01e301bf7ff2$2aa60600$0301a8c0@Ptacek> References: <200002252012.VAA04133@saturn.kn-bremen.de> Organization: home Cc: , Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry i should probably have said the modem needs to be configured right to work `the unix way'... In article <01e301bf7ff2$2aa60600$0301a8c0@Ptacek> you write: >Well thanks to some examples I seem to have access to the >modem signals. Unfortunately when I drop the DTR nothing >happens. I have played with setting the &Dn and other values >but nothing seems to work. Well yes the usual setting is &d3, if that doesn't do it (thats hangup + reload configuration), and this particular modem doesn't just want some other command to set it (do you have a manual? some also have online help), then i'd say the modem is junk and should be returned... (and post what it was so others know what to avoid.) > Also it seems that the carrier detect >signal is always high, even after a NO CARRIER. you should be able to fix that too (usually(?) thats &c1), if not, see above. oh, of course you should save the configuration after changing this and the DTR setting, thats usually &w. so, assuming the commands are correct for that modem, give it a `atz' followed by `at&c1&d3&w', then try again. (btw don't put commands after the `z', that only works on `some' modems as there are ones that just jump to their cold boot entrypoint when they see the `z', and then the rest of course gets ignored. i was told even hylafax had (has?) this bug, go figure...) and if you want to check the modem's behaviour without having to debug your own source at the same time then install the kermit port, do a kermit -l , say `con'nect and type the escape char it'll show then, followed by a '?', then you get a list of commands. one will show the control lines status, another will hang up (drop DTR), etc. and of course you can chat with the modem or dial it too. (some also have an analog loopback test (&t1 on my old one) or one where they loopback and generate test data (&t8 on mine), then you don't even need to dial anywhere to test the CD/DTR settings...) > I have also >tried clearing the CLOCAL flag to see if I get a signal (HUP), >but I am not getting one. well as long as the modem still leaves CD always on how do you think this should work? :) > I have also tried to get the HUP signal >by using the +++ATH command with no success. > >Currently I have a test program that I will include below, and it >is dialing my other PC (hyperterminal) just to see if I can get the >connection to work. >If I am missing something please let me know. Maybe I just >have a bad modem, I will try to look for a different one (it is >internal, but that shouldn't matter, should it?) ; It shouldn't, but an external still is better since you can then troubleshoot by just looking at the LEDs, and you can (hard) reset it without taking down the entire system. (and yes sometimes modems crash too, or get confused so that you want to reset them, tho that of course varies between models. and some also have front panel buttons so you can force them to hangup or answer or transfer the call to/from a connected phone...) Oh and you also avoid the trouble of possibly having to return a `win'modem (shouldn't that be `you lose' modem?), some salespeople are too clueless to even know the difference. (or their suppliers may have lied to them... :( ) [test program snipped, didn't try it...] another thing, if all you need is to dial the modem to run some program over the connection you could also try the xchat program in /usr/src/gnu/libexec/uucp/contrib, or maybe even the more simple /usr/bin/chat is enough. no need to reinvent the wheel... (of course depending on whats at the other end maybe you could also use ppp... then you'd treat the link as just another (slow) network connection, i.e. use tcp/ip.) HTH, -- Juergen Lock (remove dot foo from address to reply) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 26 5:59:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from medulla.hippocampus.net (medulla.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7057137BC0B for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 05:59:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@netstor.com) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by medulla.hippocampus.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA28164 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:59:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 08:59:36 -0500 (EST) From: Marc Nicholas X-Sender: marc@medulla.hippocampus.net To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SYM driver -- where to find? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry for the lameness of this question...but where can I find the Symbios driver for FreeBSD developed by Gerrard Roudier? I'm having some issues with a Symbios controller that I suspect may be the fault of the NCR driver and not the controller itself. Thanks. -marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 26 6:46:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from freesbee.wheel.dk (freesbee.wheel.dk [193.162.159.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9582037B941 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 06:46:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jesper@skriver.dk) Received: by freesbee.wheel.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D036A3E39; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 15:46:53 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 15:46:53 +0100 From: Jesper Skriver To: Marc Nicholas Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SYM driver -- where to find? Message-ID: <20000226154653.I29636@skriver.dk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from marc@netstor.com on Sat, Feb 26, 2000 at 08:59:36AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Feb 26, 2000 at 08:59:36AM -0500, Marc Nicholas wrote: > Sorry for the lameness of this question...but where can I find the Symbios > driver for FreeBSD developed by Gerrard Roudier? I'm having some issues > with a Symbios controller that I suspect may be the fault of the NCR > driver and not the controller itself. It's in 4.0-CURRENT ... /Jesper -- Jesper Skriver, jesper(at)skriver(dot)dk - CCIE #5456 Work: Network manager @ AS3292 (Tele Danmark DataNetworks) Private: Geek @ AS2109 (A much smaller network ;-) One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, One IP to bring them all and in the zone to bind them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 26 7: 0:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 93CBB37BB1C for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 07:00:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 71618 invoked by uid 1001); 26 Feb 2000 14:59:31 +0000 (GMT) To: jesper@skriver.dk Cc: marc@netstor.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SYM driver -- where to find? From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 26 Feb 2000 15:46:53 +0100" References: <20000226154653.I29636@skriver.dk> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 15:59:31 +0100 Message-ID: <71616.951577171@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Sorry for the lameness of this question...but where can I find the Symbios > > driver for FreeBSD developed by Gerrard Roudier? I'm having some issues > > with a Symbios controller that I suspect may be the fault of the NCR > > driver and not the controller itself. > > It's in 4.0-CURRENT ... And in 3.4-STABLE. Also, at ftp://ftp.tux.org/roudier/drivers/freebsd/experimental/ I highly recommend the SYM driver - one machine here shows dramatically improved stability with the SYM driver. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 26 9: 2:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from front1.grolier.fr (front1.grolier.fr [194.158.96.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9084237BDB9 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 09:02:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from groudier@club-internet.fr) Received: from localhost (ppp-107-141.villette.club-internet.fr [194.158.107.141]) by front1.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with SMTP id RAA18652; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 17:44:35 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 18:15:17 +0100 (MET) From: Gerard Roudier X-Sender: groudier@localhost To: Marc Nicholas Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SYM driver -- where to find? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 26 Feb 2000, Marc Nicholas wrote: > Sorry for the lameness of this question...but where can I find the Symbio= s > driver for FreeBSD developed by Gerrard Roudier? I'm having some issues > with a Symbios controller that I suspect may be the fault of the NCR > driver and not the controller itself. It is in -current/4.0 and has also been added at some point of the RELENG_3 branch. The driver version in -current has some fixes not yet committed to RELENG_3. Driver sources are located in src/sys/dev/sym/. If you need to use the `sym' driver from -current under a recent RELENG_3 (post 3.4), this should compile and work. You just have to get latest driver files from -current and move them to the corresponding 3.4-> directory (src/sys/dev/sym). Compilation options against FreeBSD version let the driver use pci_compat under 3.X.=20 The driver also works under 3.2 and 3.3, but some simple changes in kernel config files are needed for it to be configured. G=E9rard. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 26 9: 8:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu (bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu [128.226.1.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DCEB37BDE8 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 09:08:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zzhang@cs.binghamton.edu) Received: from sol.cs.binghamton.edu (sol.cs.binghamton.edu [128.226.123.100]) by bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA25803; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:08:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 09:44:04 -0500 (EST) From: Zhihui Zhang To: Alex Povolotsky Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: C-FFS anyone? In-Reply-To: <20000226162255.A23927@over.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 26 Feb 2000, Alex Povolotsky wrote: > Hello! > > I've just read (well, partially) a whitepaper named "Embedded Inodes and > Explicit Grouping: Exploiting Disk Bandwidth for Small Files" (don't have > URL at hand). > > Ideas presented there are QUIT interesting. Did anyone tried to implement > them in BSD? > I read the paper a while ago. Over the years people have been trying to improve disk bandwidth using locality. But I do not see if there is any big room left to continue in this direction. Plus, everything has tradeoffs. -Zhihui To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 26 11:17:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC62937B524 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:17:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adsharma@c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16205; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:17:24 -0800 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:17:24 -0800 From: Arun Sharma Message-Id: <200002261917.LAA16205@c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Finding percent idle Reply-To: adsharma@sharmas.dhs.org (Arun Sharma) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:25:46 -0500, James Housley wrote: > I am trying to find out the current % idle of the machine from within a > program. I have looked at the valuse provided by sysctl and found > loadavg but not system idle. I have also looked through the source for > top and haven't been able to figure that out. All pointers would be > appreciated. As another poster pointed out, all of the FreeBSD programs (top, vmstat, xosview, ktop) get this stuff from kvm - which is a non portable (across different versions of FreeBSD) interface. FreeBSD also doesn't keep these numbers on a per CPU basis on a SMP box. I wrote a patch for fixing the SMP case and a KLD to get them via sysctl. With slight modifications to the KLD, you can get those values exported via sysctl. The KLD is available at: http://sharmas.dhs.org/~adsharma/projects/freebsd/sysctl.tar.gz -Arun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 26 11:46:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail4.aracnet.com (mail4.aracnet.com [216.99.193.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5418D37BFF6 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:46:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from beattie@aracnet.com) Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (IDENT:root@shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by mail4.aracnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21570 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:46:31 -0800 Received: by shell1.aracnet.com (8.9.3) id LAA03889; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:47:34 -0800 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:47:33 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Beattie To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: building a release Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have looked at the FAQ and find only a partial answer. I would like to build a a release with base and X11, to do local installs of 4.0-current. I can build the base from /usr/src/release, I have the XFree86 sources. Can anybody send me notes, or point me at the FAQ? Brian Beattie | The only problem with beattie@aracnet.com | winning the rat race ... www.aracnet.com/~beattie | in the end you're still a rat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 26 12: 4: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from enginet.com (enginet.com [199.2.210.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB2B37C014 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:03:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@enginet.com) Received: from enginet.com (marc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by enginet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13658 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:03:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200002262003.MAA13658@enginet.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: How to fdisk/disklabel whole disk for FreeBSD from command line? Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:03:52 PST From: Marc Frajola Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi... I have spent a bit of time messing around with the command-line fdisk and disklabel commands, and have been unable to setup a proper fdisk and FreeBSD partition label solely from the command line. When I do 'fdisk -e /dev/rda1' or 'fdisk -u ...', that seems to write an fdisk label, but I get 'No space left on device' or some such message when I try to do 'disklabel -r -w da1 auto'. Basically, I want to be able to automate an install, and can't figure out how to get a shell script to completely initialize a proper fdisk label AND FreeBSD disk label + boot blocks. I know that I can use sysinstall to do this properly, but I really need to do this from a shell script in an automated fashion. I have tried using slice partitions with disklabel, and that doesn't work either. I have consulted the FreeBSD FAQ, and haven't been able to find the answer there. I also sent this to freebsd-questions, and didn't get any reply. Can anybody point me in the right direction? ...Marc... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 26 12:44:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com (c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.0.69.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CBEC37B5CC for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:44:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adsharma@c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com) Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16383; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:44:38 -0800 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 12:44:38 -0800 From: Arun Sharma Message-Id: <200002262044.MAA16383@c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 64bit OS? In-Reply-To: <200002210620.WAA27921@c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com> References: <200002200528.QAA04257@mycenae.ilion.eu.org> <200002200653.WAA99167@apollo.backplane.com> <200002210620.WAA27921@c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com> Reply-To: adsharma@sharmas.dhs.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Arun Sharma wrote: > Matt Dillon wrote: > > What I would truely love to do would be to get away with not using a GPT > > at all and instead doing a vm_map_lookup_entry()/vm_page_lookup() > > (essentially taking a vm_fault), then optimize the vm_map_entry > > structural hierarchy to look more like a GPT rather then the linear > > list it currently is. When coupled with an STLB, especially one that > > can be optimized, I think performance would be extremely good. > > For finding the vm_map_entry for a virtual address, a balanced binary tree > works better. Linux does well here - it uses AVL trees, which find the > right vm_map_entry in O(log n) time. I just did some investigation into seeing if this (balanced binary trees) is a useful optimization. It doesn't look like one. I instrumented the kernel and collected some stats. On booting the kernel into KDE and running xemacs and netscape, I got: kern.vm_map_nsteps: 151916 kern.vm_map_nlookups: 65441 i.e. roughly 3 vm_map_entries were walked before getting to the right one. Then I did a make clean all; in /usr/src/sys and at the end of the compilation, I got: kern.vm_map_nsteps: 666258 kern.vm_map_nlookups: 628911 This time the hints seemed to have worked extremely well and there is almost no overhead involved. These numbers would be valid even for 64 bit architectures. However, if the number of apps which use a large number of shared libraries or loadable modules (Mozilla with XPCOM, KDE with KOM/DCOP) things can be slightly different. For now, I think we're just fine with linear linked lists with a hint. -Arun *** vm_map.c- Sat Feb 26 12:01:59 2000 --- vm_map.c Sat Feb 26 12:13:46 2000 *************** *** 75,80 **** --- 75,83 ---- #include #include #include + #include + #include + #include #include #include *************** *** 331,336 **** --- 334,349 ---- #define SAVE_HINT(map,value) \ (map)->hint = (value); + /* Some counters for tracking the overhead of servicing page faults */ + static unsigned long nsteps = 0; + static unsigned long nlookups = 0; + + SYSCTL_LONG(_kern, OID_AUTO, vm_map_nsteps, CTLFLAG_RW, + &nsteps, ""); + + SYSCTL_LONG(_kern, OID_AUTO, vm_map_nlookups, CTLFLAG_RW, + &nlookups, ""); + /* * vm_map_lookup_entry: [ internal use only ] * *************** *** 350,355 **** --- 363,370 ---- vm_map_entry_t cur; vm_map_entry_t last; + nlookups++; + /* * Start looking either from the head of the list, or from the hint. */ *************** *** 401,406 **** --- 416,422 ---- break; } cur = cur->next; + nsteps++; } *entry = cur->prev; SAVE_HINT(map, *entry); To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 26 16:51: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA62F37B6DD; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:50:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id BAA06098; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 01:50:43 +0100 (CET) Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA39434; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 01:49:14 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from j) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 01:49:14 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200002270049.BAA39434@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.8 Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Organization: Private BSD site, Dresden X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E References: <38B43C5A.CE263F66@acm.org> <951384983.334873@caiman.elsevier.nl> <38B72C51.4A9023ED@acm.org> <38b7c901$0$18570@ams2eusosrv31.ams.ops.eu.uu.net> From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) Subject: Re: Where is 'dip' ... -- Any dip users out there? Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > If I understand you correctly, most of the functionality of dip you > will find in ppp(8). Note, that it is NOT the same program as Linux > pppd, to be sure... It has a nice and powerful command-line interface. Incidentally, i recently considered removing the entire bsddip port. (I'm the maintainer of it.) There have never been any updates to the original bsddip (AFAICT), ppp(8) is actively and nicely maintained by Brian Somers, and nobody's going to use SLIP anymore anyway (and those couple of you out there who do wouldn't use dip for it either, would you? :-). So are there really any remaining bsddip users? Otherwise i'll kill the port some day. [Cc'ed to freebsd-hackers and freebsd-ports, just in case.] -- cheers, J"org / 73 de DL8DTL joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 26 23:49:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ntstn.sasknow.com (h139-142-245-100.ss.fiberone.net [139.142.245.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CFD237B59B for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:48:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ryan@sasknow.com) Received: from localhost (ryan@localhost) by ntstn.sasknow.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00552 for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 01:48:59 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ryan@sasknow.com) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 01:48:59 -0600 (CST) From: Ryan Thompson Reply-To: Ryan Thompson To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Annoying nfsrcv hangs Message-ID: Organization: SaskNow Technologies [www.sasknow.com] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ps al on my system shows multiple nfsrcv hangs on processes such as df, ls and umount. Without any other characteristic problems, the nfs server machine's exports all seemed to be working correctly. However, *one* and only one of the mounts somehow went south. 'mount' on the client machine shows: # mount | grep 10.0.0.2 10.0.0.2:/usr on /f/usr 10.0.0.2:/devel on /f/devel 10.0.0.2:/bigfs on bigfs That's verbatim... The mount was NOT done on bigfs... It was in fact done on /f/bigfs. "We have secretly switched this SysAdmin's mountpoint with Foldger's crystals. Think he'll taste the difference?" It appears to be the cause of the hangs I mentioned. One such hang was one that I just created by issuing umount -f bigfs. The client nfs mounts are mounted intr, yet I still can't send a TERM or KILL that these processes will catch. # grep bigfs /etc/fstab 10.0.0.2:/bigfs /f/bigfs nfs rw,bg,intr 2 2 The client is a 3.2-RELEASE system. Server is 3.4-STABLE as of about 12 days ago. It looks like reboots are in order... But, these are production machines! This is certainly annoying...! I thought the intr option was supposed to help with hung nfs procs. Is there anything else I can try in my current situation? Any better ways to prevent this sort of thing (besides running SunOS?) Or is it PR time? # uptime 1:46AM up 118 days 1:14, 12 users, load averages: 2.36, 2.34, 2.21 As you see, I haven't had any longevity problems up until now.. Has anything been built into -CURRENT to address these hangs? It has plagued many in the past, and continues to do so. Yours truly, - Frustrated :-) -- Ryan Thompson Systems Administrator, Accounts Phone: +1 (306) 664-1161 SaskNow Technologies http://www.sasknow.com #106-380 3120 8th St E Saskatoon, SK S7H 0W2 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message