From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 19 3:10:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from camus.cybercable.fr (camus.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 98DB937B612 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 03:10:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from herbelot@cybercable.fr) Received: (qmail 25758079 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2000 11:10:32 -0000 Received: from d016.paris-30.cybercable.fr (HELO cybercable.fr) ([212.198.30.16]) (envelope-sender ) by camus.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 19 Mar 2000 11:10:32 -0000 Message-ID: <38D4B4AF.7AA7EB42@cybercable.fr> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:06:23 +0100 From: "Thierry.herbelot" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How-to Speak Freely ? References: <38D39216.B569CCDF@cybercable.fr> <38D39676.78879CD5@cybercable.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Thierry.herbelot" wrote: > > I like to answer my own posts ! > > Well, with just a little look at the ML archives, it seems speak_freely > does not know how to handle the "pcm" device of FreeBSD - too bad ! > > TfH > [SNIP] I have at long last understood why we keep the snd driver in the releng_3 branch : so as to run older, linux-only applications (using ioctl which exist only with ths OSS driver) speak-freely runs with the snd driver on a 3.4 machine. TfH PS : could someone add a note in pkg/DESCR of speakfreely to tell about this driver problem ? -- Thierry Herbelot ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN /"\ mailto:herbelot@cybercable.fr AGAINST HTML MAIL & NEWS \ / http://perso.cybercable.fr/herbelot PAS DE HTML DANS X Hiroshima 45, Tchernobyl 86, Windows 95... LES COURRIELS / \ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 19 8: 5:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com [24.6.21.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8B137B53B; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 08:05:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from conrads@cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00579; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:04:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000317215327.A40008@ipass.net> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:04:41 -0600 (CST) Organization: @Home Network From: Conrad Sabatier To: Randall Hopper Subject: Re: AWE32 Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, Andy Sparrow , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 18-Mar-00 Randall Hopper wrote: > Andy Sparrow: > > |Yup, I think so. That's what my AWE32 daughterboard used to probe as > |before I put memory in it... > ... > |Unfortunately, I can't use VoxWare (and thus the AWE driver) anymore > |with -CURRENT. > > Why is that? > > Randall Because, once again, they've gone and deprecated the Voxware drivers . Frankly, this is very disappointing to me. If you recall, we went through exactly the same thing a good while back with -current (just prior to 2.2.8 or 3.0, I think), and there was such a hew and cry that they put it back in very quickly. Something tells me that's not going to be the case this time. I'm running 4.0-STABLE now, and frankly, I'm not too happy with the newpcm driver(s). I'm getting a lot more chop now playing MP3s on my 166 MHz P5 than I did with Voxware. Bummer. Not to mention *NO MIDI*. I'm sorry, but timidity just plain *sucks* compared to awemidi with a nice wavetable loaded. I may end up just going back to 3.4-STABLE and staying there. I *liked* my awemidi. I *liked* smooth MP3s. I *don't* like this. Oh, they've also removed the "pnp" (boottime) kernel config command. While the new PnP detection seems to work pretty well, I'd still like to be able to disable my motherboard audio like I've been doing for a long time. Haven't figured out a way to do this yet. Why must they do this? We went through the whole thing about not removing older functionality until there was a suitable replacement before. This is just nuts, if you ask me. Sign me, Mystified (and a little pissed) -- Conrad Sabatier http://members.home.net/conrads/ ICQ# 1147270 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 19 8:10:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com [24.6.21.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA4C37B759; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 08:10:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from conrads@cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00611; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:10:38 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:10:38 -0600 (CST) Organization: @Home Network From: Conrad Sabatier To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance? Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As I mentioned in another post, since upgrading to 4.0 and converting from Voxware to newpcm, I've noticed quite a significant degradation in audio performance. Whereas my MP3s used to play smoothly until the system load reached a really high level, now I'm getting breakup even with minimal system loads (on a 166MHz P5). Any ideas on how I might improve performance? I've already disabled ATAPI DMA (my system is pure IDE), thinking there may have been a conflict, and am using softupdates as well, but still, anytime the system load increases even slightly, I notice some chop. Thanks for any ideas. -- Conrad Sabatier http://members.home.net/conrads/ ICQ# 1147270 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 19 8:21:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from charon.ipass.net (charon.ipass.net [198.79.53.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6B037B51E; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 08:21:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rhh@ipass.net) Received: from stealth.ipass.net. (ppp-1-72.dialup.rdu.ipass.net [209.170.132.72]) by charon.ipass.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16197; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 11:21:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.ipass.net. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id LAA05877; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 11:23:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rhh) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 11:23:32 -0500 From: Randall Hopper To: Conrad Sabatier Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, Andy Sparrow , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AWE32 Message-ID: <20000319112332.A5517@ipass.net> References: <20000317215327.A40008@ipass.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from conrads@home.com on Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 10:04:41AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Conrad Sabatier: |Randall Hopper: |> Andy Sparrow: |> | |> |Unfortunately, I can't use VoxWare (and thus the AWE driver) anymore |> |with -CURRENT. |> |> Why is that? | |Because, once again, they've gone and deprecated the Voxware drivers |. Frankly, this is very disappointing to me. If you recall, we |went through exactly the same thing a good while back with -current (just |prior to 2.2.8 or 3.0, I think), and there was such a hew and cry that |they put it back in very quickly. Sure do. I was among the folks protesting. |I'm running 4.0-STABLE now, and frankly, I'm not too happy with the newpcm |driver(s). I'm getting a lot more chop now playing MP3s on my 166 MHz P5 |than I did with Voxware. Bummer. Not to mention *NO MIDI*. I'm sorry, |but timidity just plain *sucks* compared to awemidi with a nice wavetable |loaded. | |I may end up just going back to 3.4-STABLE and staying there. I *liked* |my awemidi. I *liked* smooth MP3s. I *don't* like this. Thanks for the heads-up. I will certainly fortify my 3.4-RELEASE installation, grab all the packages out there, burn them onto CDs, do a full backup, and plan do stick with 3.4 for a while. Unless the sound driver situation changes, a _long_ while. |Why must they do this? We went through the whole thing about not removing |older functionality until there was a suitable replacement before. This |is just nuts, if you ask me. I see what you mean. If we were close to the same level of functionality (soundcard support, pcm, midi, etc.), from your results it sounds like we still need more testing before we pull the rug out from under folks like that. But, we're not at that level yet (AFAICT). So I'm scratching my head too. Are we trying to alienenate FreeBSD desktop users or what? Randall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 19 8:38: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4949537B754; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 08:37:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gandalf@vilnya.demon.co.uk) Received: from vilnya.demon.co.uk ([158.152.19.238]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Wii7-000Hhi-0A; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:37:54 +0000 Received: from NENYA (nenya.rings [10.2.4.3]) by vilnya.demon.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 07DBDD9AD; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:37:49 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <001a01bf91c1$7f62a4b0$0304020a@NENYA> From: "Cameron Grant" To: "Conrad Sabatier" , Cc: References: Subject: Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance? Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:38:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > As I mentioned in another post, since upgrading to 4.0 and converting from > Voxware to newpcm, I've noticed quite a significant degradation in audio > performance. Whereas my MP3s used to play smoothly until the system load > reached a really high level, now I'm getting breakup even with minimal > system loads (on a 166MHz P5). define breakup? noise, or pausing? > Any ideas on how I might improve performance? I've already disabled ATAPI > DMA (my system is pure IDE), thinking there may have been a conflict, and > am using softupdates as well, but still, anytime the system load increases > even slightly, I notice some chop. what you are seeing is probably spl-related. spls are going away in -current, which will improve concurrency greatly. the situation with voxware is that it will remain in 4.x, but unless a maintainer comes forward who will convert it to newbus, in -current it will soon be toast. - cg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 19 9:57:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com [24.6.21.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C50D37B663; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 09:57:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from conrads@cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01098; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 11:57:25 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <001a01bf91c1$7f62a4b0$0304020a@NENYA> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 11:57:25 -0600 (CST) Organization: @Home Network From: Conrad Sabatier To: Cameron Grant Subject: Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance? Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 19-Mar-00 Cameron Grant wrote: >> As I mentioned in another post, since upgrading to 4.0 and converting >> from Voxware to newpcm, I've noticed quite a significant degradation >> in audio performance. Whereas my MP3s used to play smoothly until the >> system load reached a really high level, now I'm getting breakup even >> with minimal system loads (on a 166MHz P5). > > define breakup? noise, or pausing? Pausing, choppiness. > what you are seeing is probably spl-related. spls are going away > in -current, which will improve concurrency greatly. I'm sure I have no idea what you're talking about. :-) > the situation with voxware is that it will remain in 4.x, but unless a > maintainer comes forward who will convert it to newbus, in -current it > will soon be toast. I tried building a kernel with the old Voxware stuff, and config warned me that the drivers had been deprecated and to use pcm/sbc/etc instead. So it *is* possible to still use the old stuff? Hmmm. -- Conrad Sabatier http://members.home.net/conrads/ ICQ# 1147270 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 19 10:39:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C06A37B743; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:39:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA40955; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:38:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Cameron Grant" Cc: "Conrad Sabatier" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:38:04 GMT." <001a01bf91c1$7f62a4b0$0304020a@NENYA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:38:01 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > the situation with voxware is that it will remain in 4.x, but unless a > maintainer comes forward who will convert it to newbus, in -current it will > soon be toast. I can't promise anything specially since I have a new job;nevertheless, before you decide to toast the voxware from current send me mail . If -core decides to toast voxware I will probably pick up the maintainence of voxware from right here were maintainence of voxware used to be. The latter is not a bad idea since it will avoid conflicts between -core and I. -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 19 10:53: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from lafontaine.cybercable.fr (lafontaine.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BF92737B7A3 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:53:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from herbelot@cybercable.fr) Received: (qmail 5710799 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2000 18:52:59 -0000 Received: from d016.paris-30.cybercable.fr (HELO cybercable.fr) ([212.198.30.16]) (envelope-sender ) by lafontaine.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 19 Mar 2000 18:52:59 -0000 Message-ID: <38D52113.5F3B4EB@cybercable.fr> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:48:51 +0100 From: "Thierry.herbelot" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Amancio Hasty Cc: Cameron Grant , Conrad Sabatier , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance? References: <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > the situation with voxware is that it will remain in 4.x, but unless a > > maintainer comes forward who will convert it to newbus, in -current it will > > soon be toast. > > I can't promise anything specially since I have a new job;nevertheless, before > you decide to toast the voxware from current send me mail . If -core decides > to toast voxware I will probably pick up the maintainence of voxware from > right here were maintainence of voxware used to be. The latter is not a bad > idea since it will avoid conflicts between -core and I. Wouldn't it be better to list the apps which **need** some voxware functionalities (I have just discovered that Spaek_Freely is one such beast) and try get them running with pcm ? TfH -- Thierry Herbelot ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN /"\ mailto:herbelot@cybercable.fr AGAINST HTML MAIL & NEWS \ / http://perso.cybercable.fr/herbelot PAS DE HTML DANS X Hiroshima 45, Tchernobyl 86, Windows 95... LES COURRIELS / \ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 19 10:59:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BBD37BF6E; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 10:59:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gandalf@vilnya.demon.co.uk) Received: from vilnya.demon.co.uk ([158.152.19.238]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12WkvF-0003Gd-0Y; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:59:34 +0000 Received: from NENYA (nenya.rings [10.2.4.3]) by vilnya.demon.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 212B0D9AD; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:59:30 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <000701bf91d5$4aebeb60$0304020a@NENYA> From: "Cameron Grant" To: "Amancio Hasty" Cc: "Conrad Sabatier" , , References: <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> Subject: Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance? Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:59:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > the situation with voxware is that it will remain in 4.x, but unless a > > maintainer comes forward who will convert it to newbus, in -current it will > > soon be toast. > I can't promise anything specially since I have a new job;nevertheless, before > you decide to toast the voxware from current send me mail . If -core decides > to toast voxware I will probably pick up the maintainence of voxware from > right here were maintainence of voxware used to be. The latter is not a bad > idea since it will avoid conflicts between -core and I. you should be aware that the voxware code will need extensive renovation and conversion to newbus. already it will not cope with pnp devices, and the compatibility shims it relies on will shortly be gone. in my opinion it would be far better to divert any effort you would be willing to put in towards newpcm. -cg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 19 11:32:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B536437B798; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 11:32:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA41341; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 11:30:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <200003191930.LAA41341@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Cameron Grant" Cc: "Conrad Sabatier" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:59:45 GMT." <000701bf91d5$4aebeb60$0304020a@NENYA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 11:30:55 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Don't forget that before there was any PNP support on FreeBSD there was the guspnp and I know the voxware driver very well. Take Care and Have Fun! -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 19 14:40:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B766C37B5B4; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 14:40:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bandix@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA72392; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:36:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bandix@looksharp.net) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:36:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Brandon D. Valentine" To: Amancio Hasty Cc: Cameron Grant , Conrad Sabatier , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance? In-Reply-To: <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 19 Mar 2000, Amancio Hasty wrote: >I can't promise anything specially since I have a new job;nevertheless, before >you decide to toast the voxware from current send me mail . If -core decides >to toast voxware I will probably pick up the maintainence of voxware from >right here were maintainence of voxware used to be. The latter is not a bad >idea since it will avoid conflicts between -core and I. > >-- > Amancio Hasty > hasty@rah.star-gate.com I too would be rather remiss to see voxware axed from current. I have a plethora of real creative cards in use that I just love voxware for. I've never quite had the same luck under pcm with them. I don't know an awful lot about sound drivers, or voxware in particular, but if you are willing to pick this up I don't mind testing code. ------------------------------------------------------------- | -Brandon D. Valentine bandix at looksharp.net | bandix on EFnet IRC BVRiker on AIM ------------------------------------------------------------- | "...and as for hackers, we note that all of those known to | The Register are so strapped financially that seizing their | property would be tantamount to squeezing blood from a | stone." -- The Register, 02/17/2000 ------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 19 16:25:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0550D37B7AF for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:25:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from someone@earthlink.net) Received: from earthlink.net (pool0800.cvx6-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.178.161.35]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26805 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:25:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38D56F97.EF3468B5@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:23:51 -0800 From: Kevin Bailey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Sound in Quake II Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I can't get sound to work in Quake II. Specifically, there's no sound at all yet it seems the game thinks sound is fine because it prints this: ------- sound initialization ------- sound sampling rate: 11025 I'm using a CS4325 based sound card with the newpcm driver under a recently upgraded FreeBSD 4.0. Sound works fine with other applications Can anyone offer a suggestion ? I also have an OPTi 82C931 based sound card and an original 8 BIT Sound Blaster if there's anything I can do with those. Reply address is bogus due to experiences with spam. Please reply to list. Thx. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 19 16:33:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from dqc.org (106.76.44.208.in-addr.arpa [208.44.76.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB6837B51E for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:33:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@dqc.org) Received: by dqc.org (Postfix, from userid 1005) id 6A277BBA1; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:33:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dqc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C67ACC1 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:33:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:33:41 -0800 (PST) From: just matt To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sound in Quake II In-Reply-To: <38D56F97.EF3468B5@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm pretty sure fbsd, or at least voxware, does not support the 8 bit version of the sb. just FYI. - Matt > > Can anyone offer a suggestion ? I also have an OPTi 82C931 > based sound card and an original 8 BIT Sound Blaster if > there's anything I can do with those. > > > Reply address is bogus due to experiences with spam. > Please reply to list. Thx. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 19 17:47:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from c74763-a.aurora1.co.home.com (c74763-a.aurora1.co.home.com [24.4.230.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D576037B70C for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:47:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from baram@HOME.NET) Received: from localhost (alex@localhost) by c74763-a.aurora1.co.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15472; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:47:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from baram@HOME.NET) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:47:36 -0700 (MST) From: Alex Baram X-Sender: alex@c74763-a.aurora1.co.home.com To: just matt Cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sound in Quake II In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Operating-System: 4.0-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE #1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 19 Mar 2000, just matt wrote: : : I'm pretty sure fbsd, or at least voxware, does not support the 8 bit : version of the sb. just FYI. : : - Matt There is support for the 8 bit SB: # snd: Voxware sound support code # sb: SoundBlaster PCM - SoundBlaster, SB Pro, SB16, ProAudioSpectrum device snd device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 # NewPcm Driver - man sbc(4) device pcm device sbc0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x0 : : > : > Can anyone offer a suggestion ? I also have an OPTi 82C931 : > based sound card and an original 8 BIT Sound Blaster if : > there's anything I can do with those. : > : > : > Reply address is bogus due to experiences with spam. : > Please reply to list. Thx. : > : > : > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org : > with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message : > : : : : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org : with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message : -- Why are we here? (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 11, @07:41PM EST ([198]#332) We are here because we can't be anywhere else. If we were somewhere else, we would still say, "We are here." -- http://slashdot.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 19 18:20:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6652B37B73C; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:20:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA43512; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:18:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <200003200218.SAA43512@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Brandon D. Valentine" Cc: Cameron Grant , Conrad Sabatier , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:36:44 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:18:30 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Tnks for you support before I can contemplate the work on voxware there is one device driver which I must write ahead of the queue. Best Regards > On Sun, 19 Mar 2000, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > >I can't promise anything specially since I have a new job;nevertheless, before > >you decide to toast the voxware from current send me mail . If -core decides > >to toast voxware I will probably pick up the maintainence of voxware from > >right here were maintainence of voxware used to be. The latter is not a bad > >idea since it will avoid conflicts between -core and I. > > > >-- > > Amancio Hasty > > hasty@rah.star-gate.com > > I too would be rather remiss to see voxware axed from current. I have a > plethora of real creative cards in use that I just love voxware for. > I've never quite had the same luck under pcm with them. I don't know an > awful lot about sound drivers, or voxware in particular, but if you are > willing to pick this up I don't mind testing code. > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > | -Brandon D. Valentine bandix at looksharp.net > | bandix on EFnet IRC BVRiker on AIM > ------------------------------------------------------------- > | "...and as for hackers, we note that all of those known to > | The Register are so strapped financially that seizing their > | property would be tantamount to squeezing blood from a > | stone." -- The Register, 02/17/2000 > ------------------------------------------------------------- > -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 19 19: 2:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from charon.ipass.net (charon.ipass.net [198.79.53.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C012F37B83C; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:02:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rhh@ipass.net) Received: from stealth.ipass.net. (ppp-1-177.dialup.rdu.ipass.net [209.170.132.177]) by charon.ipass.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00115; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.ipass.net. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id WAA66588; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:04:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rhh) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 22:04:53 -0500 From: Randall Hopper To: Amancio Hasty , Cameron Grant Cc: Conrad Sabatier , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance? Message-ID: <20000319220453.A65973@ipass.net> References: <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> <000701bf91d5$4aebeb60$0304020a@NENYA> <001a01bf91c1$7f62a4b0$0304020a@NENYA> <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com>; from hasty@rah.star-gate.com on Sun, Mar 19, 2000 at 10:38:01AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Amancio Hasty: |> the situation with voxware is that it will remain in 4.x, but unless a |> maintainer comes forward who will convert it to newbus, in -current it will |> soon be toast. | |I can't promise anything specially since I have a new job; nevertheless, |before you decide to toast the voxware from current send me mail . If |-core decides to toast voxware I will probably pick up the maintainence |of voxware from right here were maintainence of voxware used to be. The |latter is not a bad idea since it will avoid conflicts between -core and I. Thanks for volunteering Amancio. Glad someone with driver-writing knowledge is going to pitch in. Along with Brandon, I too will volunteer to help you test and aid in keeping Voxware in shape, until such time as sufficient volunteering brings the new development driver up to Voxware's level of capability. Cameron Grant: |you should be aware that the voxware code will need extensive renovation and |conversion to newbus. already it will not cope with pnp devices, and the |compatibility shims it relies on will shortly be gone. | |in my opinion it would be far better to divert any effort you would be |willing to put in towards newpcm. That sounds fine in the abstract. But we should be concrete about the details before we go nixing code. - Have we identified exactly what functionality is missing in the new sound driver but supported by Voxware? - Have we got volunteers with time on their hands signed up to provide each piece of this functionality with estimated completion dates? IMO, the cut-over to PCM should be tied to the last of these completion dates, revised forward or backward as actual completion dates slip. Why would we transition any other way? Randall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 19 20: 3:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D2DC37B7EB; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 20:03:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gandalf@vilnya.demon.co.uk) Received: from vilnya.demon.co.uk ([158.152.19.238]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12WtPm-000CCN-0C; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 04:03:39 +0000 Received: from NENYA (nenya.rings [10.2.4.3]) by vilnya.demon.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 336A6D9AD; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 04:03:22 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <005d01bf9221$4660ac60$0304020a@NENYA> From: "Cameron Grant" To: "Randall Hopper" , "Amancio Hasty" Cc: "Conrad Sabatier" , , References: <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> <000701bf91d5$4aebeb60$0304020a@NENYA> <001a01bf91c1$7f62a4b0$0304020a@NENYA> <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> <20000319220453.A65973@ipass.net> Subject: Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance? Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 04:03:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Cameron Grant: > |you should be aware that the voxware code will need extensive renovation and > |conversion to newbus. already it will not cope with pnp devices, and the > |compatibility shims it relies on will shortly be gone. > | > |in my opinion it would be far better to divert any effort you would be > |willing to put in towards newpcm. > > That sounds fine in the abstract. But we should be concrete about the > details before we go nixing code. > > - Have we identified exactly what functionality is missing in the new > sound driver but supported by Voxware? to my knowledge, midi is the only functionality missing. also, multiple opens of /dev/dsp are not yet implemented. both will be soon. > - Have we got volunteers with time on their hands signed up to provide > each piece of this functionality with estimated completion dates? > > IMO, the cut-over to PCM should be tied to the last of these completion > dates, revised forward or backward as actual completion dates slip. > > Why would we transition any other way? because various functionality voxware uses is now optional and will be gone in the coming weeks. the kernel does not revolve around sound, and voxware is an acceptable loss. once the isa shims are gone, voxware will not compile without being newbusified which is a task of great magnitude. at this time, the point is moot. unless someone comes forward with a newbusified voxware, it will be removed soon. i, and others, will want to see code, not promises. -cg, not meaning to sound harsh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 19 21:11:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7674737B8D1 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:11:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from someone@earthlink.net) Received: from earthlink.net (pool1042.cvx6-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.178.162.22]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04632 for ; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:11:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38D5B2CC.5A1ED16@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:10:36 -0800 From: Kevin Bailey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > to my knowledge, midi is the only functionality missing. also, multiple > opens of /dev/dsp are not yet implemented. both will be soon. Does newpcm have mmap support used by Quake and company ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Mar 19 21:12:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from server1.huntsvilleal.com (server1.huntsvilleal.com [207.13.224.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FBC37B8C7; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:12:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@hiwaay.net) Received: from barricuda.bsd.nws.net (kris.huntsvilleal.com [207.13.224.46]) by server1.huntsvilleal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30852; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:53:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by barricuda.bsd.nws.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14087; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:11:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kris@hiwaay.net) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:11:05 -0600 (CST) From: Kris Kirby To: Amancio Hasty Cc: Cameron Grant , Conrad Sabatier , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance? In-Reply-To: <200003191930.LAA41341@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Don't forget that before there was any PNP support on FreeBSD there was > the guspnp and I know the voxware driver very well. Hmmm... I wish I had working MPU401 and OPL3 support.... If I had some documentation as to how OPL3 and MPU401 work, I could try some coding.... ----- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | ------------------------------------------------------- "God gave them the ability to reproduce... ... Science gave us the hope they won't." -KBK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Mar 20 0:55:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D78137B639; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 00:55:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA50671; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 00:55:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <38D5E77D.8F903DFE@gorean.org> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 00:55:25 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0316 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cameron Grant Cc: Randall Hopper , Amancio Hasty , Conrad Sabatier , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance? References: <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> <000701bf91d5$4aebeb60$0304020a@NENYA> <001a01bf91c1$7f62a4b0$0304020a@NENYA> <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> <20000319220453.A65973@ipass.net> <005d01bf9221$4660ac60$0304020a@NENYA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [snipping] Cameron Grant wrote: > to my knowledge, midi is the only functionality missing. also, multiple > opens of /dev/dsp are not yet implemented. both will be soon. I think someone else already responded to this point. You can check the archives for more discussion. > i, and others, will want to > see code, not promises. Which, I think, is exactly what the current voxware users are saying. The promises about the additions/improvements to (new)pcm have been going on for a year or more. This is the second round of removing the voxware drivers before the new stuff is ready. I would think that the PTB would have learned from the last round of hue'ing and cry'ing that the transition would have been much easier if the new functionality had been added first. Far be it from me to stand in the way of progress, but it would be nice to _see_ some progress first. Don't get me wrong, I know the new stuff is going to be cool, I know that that people working on it are working hard, and I appreciate their efforts. But it seems that some involved in the project are hell bent on getting rid of voxware, for better or worse. It would be nice if there were more of a spirit of cooperation. (Yes, I know all the arguments for removing the "stale" code, but I don't buy them, not yet. See archives for more.) Doug PS, can we stop naming things "_new_foo"? There are two problems with that. First, in 6 months it won't be new anymore. Second, what do you call the next step in evolution? newnewpcm? :) -- "While the future's there for anyone to change, still you know it seems, it would be easier sometimes to change the past" - Jackson Browne, "Fountain of Sorrow" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Mar 20 2:55:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from area51.v-wave.com (area51.v-wave.com [24.108.26.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3FE8E37BD44 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 02:55:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from flatline@area51.v-wave.com) Received: (qmail 6557 invoked by uid 1001); 20 Mar 2000 10:56:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 03:56:27 -0700 From: Chris Wasser To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Question about newpcm Message-ID: <20000320035627.A6527@area51.v-wave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Since there seems to be quite a flurry of messages revolving around the newpcm driver (using it in 4.0-STABLE myself, AWE64 ISA) I was wondering, my AWE64 supports 3D Stereo Enhancement (at least, I can toggle it on my Wintendo) and I was reading somewhere in my travels that it's simply a register you toggle on and off for the soundcard (as I recall). I've noticed as I've been reading messages on the freebsd-* mailinglists I'm suscribed to, some of the dmesg's I've seen from other FreeBSD user's soundcards support this feature, is it planned (or even possible) for the AWE64? Or is it just Creative's drivers that do this? This also reminds me, how about Full Duplex operation? I was planning to install Roger Wilco (there's a BSD binary for it) and it'd be nice to have full-dupe voice communication. (here's my relevant dmesg info:) sbc0: at port 0x220-0x22f,0x330-0x331,0x388-0x38b irq 5 drq 1,5 on isa0 sbc0: setting card to irq 5, drq 1, 5 pcm0: on sbc0 joy0: at port 0x200-0x207 on isa0 unknown0: at port 0x620-0x623 on isa0 (Yes, I know the Wavetable isn't supported yet.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Mar 20 8: 6:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from wf-test.rrz.uni-koeln.de (wf-test.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.128.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07E837B81A for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:06:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Horneffer@rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE) Received: (from maho@localhost) by wf-test.rrz.uni-koeln.de (8.9.2/8.9.1) id RAA10438 for freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:06:38 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 17:06:38 +0100 (MET) From: Martin Horneffer Message-Id: <1000320170638.ZM10436@wf-test.rrz.uni-koeln.de> X-Face: '9ZJ\tgiMS!D!>L(/^!0~N)~3qAeXM1lshkK?C4FuP>qPVv[^"u*.88m.s_P"&(lO^n_VD?Kz|Ng}JA_R\6'E$p/g`'j1M@OY>pajmw]6$UT-`5WrdWKRrwLLeMrzgc{q&6uJWEn$2b%T.Y(*4u$X0l3'~Is~XN~F can't assign resources unknown: can't assign resources unknown: can't assign resources unknown: can't assign resources unknown0: at iomem 0-0x9ffff,0x100000-0x9ffffff,0xe8000-0xfffff,0xfffe 0000-0xffffffff on isa0 unknown: can't assign resources unknown1: at port 0x40-0x43 irq 0 on isa0 unknown2: at port 0x70-0x71 irq 8 on isa0 unknown: can't assign resources unknown3: at port 0xf0 irq 13 on isa0 unknown4: at port 0-0xf,0x80-0x90,0x94-0x9f,0xc0-0xde drq 4 on isa0 unknown: can't assign resources unknown5: at port 0xcf8-0xcff on isa0 unknown6: at port 0x290-0x297,0xe400-0xe43f,0xe800-0xe83f on isa0 sbc0: at port 0x220-0x22f,0x330-0x331,0x388-0x38b irq 5 drq 1,5 on isa0 sbc0: setting card to irq 5, drq 1, 5 pcm0: on sbc0 unknown7: at port 0x200-0x207 on isa0 and sndstat tells me the following: 80 [root] maho: cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Mar 20 2000 13:28:58 Installed devices: pcm0: at io 0x220 irq 5 drq 1:5 (1p/1r channels duplex) 81 [root] maho: I can play .au-files by writing them to /dev/audio. However, when I try to start vat (v4.0b2 from packages or ports) I only get: 74 [root] vat: work/vat-4.0b2/vat 127.0.0.2/2001 sorry don't know how to deal with this card failed to select input sorry don't know how to deal with this card failed to set mic volume failed set input line volume failed to output level 70 failed to output level 70 sorry don't know how to deal with this card failed to set mic volume failed set input line volume [..] So what am I doing wrong? Any help appreciated... Martin -- Martin Horneffer -- Horneffer@rrz.uni-koeln.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Mar 20 8:32:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 347A937B810 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:32:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@snuggly.demon.co.uk) Received: from snuggly.demon.co.uk ([212.229.111.142]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12X56c-000AJE-0Y; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:32:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (steve@localhost) by snuggly.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01589; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:30:59 GMT (envelope-from steve@snuggly.demon.co.uk) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 16:30:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Roome To: Randall Hopper Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Fxtv + gogo [was Re: gogo + 3dnow] In-Reply-To: <20000318131548.A39451@ipass.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 18 Mar 2000, Randall Hopper wrote: > Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 13:15:48 -0500 > From: Randall Hopper > To: Steve Roome , Yukihiro Nakai > Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: gogo + 3dnow > > [Re: GOGO, a very fast MP3 encoder] > > Steve Roome: > |I've just been having a play with it, and it's looking to me > |like 3dnow, and even the extra new 3dnow stuff in the athlon > |could come in quite handy for this sort of stuff... > > Yukihiro Nakai: > |I'm the maintainer of gogo :-) > |The gogo 2.26a supports Athlon but you need a patched nasm > |(maybe you did it) or 3dnow tool by the gogo author.. > | > |I put the test version of port here: > |http://daemon.gnome.gr.jp/~nakai/gogo.tar.gz > > > Hey, thanks for the tip guys. Very nice! On my AMD K6-III 400, I get an > amazing 3.4X speed-up on the gogo tests with 3DNow! enabled. (No Enhanced > 3DNow or SSE here since I don't have an Athelon or P-III.) Okay then... I'm using pcm and the sound from fxtv is coming in on line2 (although xmmix tells me it's line1 -- eh?!) so I needed to add this to TVAUDIOSetMixerMask() (in fxtv's tvaudio.c) else if ( STREQ( buf, "LINE2" ) ) { printf("Using Line2\n"); Mixer_dev_id = SOUND_MIXER_LINE2; Mixer_dev_mask = SOUND_MIXER_LINE2; Mixer_dev_name = "LINE2"; } (just stick it in the if statement =) ) This means I can now record sound... Is there any chance we can get all the mixer devices working properly though, [not sure what would need to be done for this] - as this hack later whines at me that it can't set LINE2 volume (probably because I'm not using voxware - it does record okay though!) Anyway. some thoughts - could fxtv be made to output to a fifo ? (instead of trying to delete the file straight away!) and would this be useful ? It doesn't seem too tricky, and as long as I use a little wrapper around gogo to convert to pcm then use gogo on the sound it's relatively straightforward.. But .. can we get this happening in real time ? This was why I asked about a fifo output - gogo seems happy with the input file being a fifo anyway, and if we could get Fxtv outputting to a fifo it would become feasible to actually record to mp3 in realtime from the telly. Then all we need is a super quick video encoder and we're away with some serious replacement VHS kit on our hands =) Sorry if I'm rambling a bit much here... Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Mar 20 8:54:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from hurricane.columbus.rr.com (m5.columbus.rr.com [204.210.252.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B8337B829; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:54:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from caa@columbus.rr.com) Received: from columbus.rr.com ([204.210.243.142]) by hurricane.columbus.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-53939U80000L80000S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:54:35 -0500 Received: (from caa@localhost) by columbus.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA82706; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:54:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from caa) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:54:23 -0500 From: "Charles Anderson" To: Cameron Grant Cc: Randall Hopper , Amancio Hasty , Conrad Sabatier , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance? Message-ID: <20000320115423.A7946@midgard.dhs.org> References: <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> <000701bf91d5$4aebeb60$0304020a@NENYA> <001a01bf91c1$7f62a4b0$0304020a@NENYA> <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> <20000319220453.A65973@ipass.net> <005d01bf9221$4660ac60$0304020a@NENYA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <005d01bf9221$4660ac60$0304020a@NENYA>; from gandalf@vilnya.demon.co.uk on Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 04:03:39AM -0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 04:03:39AM -0000, Cameron Grant wrote: > > Cameron Grant: > > > > - Have we identified exactly what functionality is missing in the new > > sound driver but supported by Voxware? > > to my knowledge, midi is the only functionality missing. also, multiple > opens of /dev/dsp are not yet implemented. both will be soon. Last time I tried memmapped output, it was not working. I thought I had read a comment a while back that it was being worked on...(Or am I imagining things) (I guess I really couldn't call it missing, though) -Charlie -- Charles Anderson caa@columbus.rr.com No quote, no nothin' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Mar 20 12:47:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from charon.ipass.net (charon.ipass.net [198.79.53.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A467837C6EF; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:32:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rhh@ipass.net) Received: from stealth.ipass.net. (ppp-2-55.dialup.rdu.ipass.net [209.170.133.55]) by charon.ipass.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00466; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:32:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.ipass.net. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id PAA01872; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:34:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rhh) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:34:29 -0500 From: Randall Hopper To: Cameron Grant Cc: Amancio Hasty , Conrad Sabatier , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Voxware is toast. Get used to it. (Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance?) Message-ID: <20000320153429.A1373@ipass.net> References: <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> <000701bf91d5$4aebeb60$0304020a@NENYA> <001a01bf91c1$7f62a4b0$0304020a@NENYA> <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> <20000319220453.A65973@ipass.net> <005d01bf9221$4660ac60$0304020a@NENYA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <005d01bf9221$4660ac60$0304020a@NENYA>; from gandalf@vilnya.demon.co.uk on Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 04:03:39AM -0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Cameron Grant: |Randall Hopper: |> - Have we identified exactly what functionality is missing in the new |> sound driver but supported by Voxware? | |to my knowledge, midi is the only functionality missing. also, multiple |opens of /dev/dsp are not yet implemented. both will be soon. From what I hear, it sounds like we need some more testing time too. |> - Have we got volunteers with time on their hands signed up to provide |> each piece of this functionality with estimated completion dates? |> |> IMO, the cut-over to PCM should be tied to the last of these completion |> dates, revised forward or backward as actual completion dates slip. |> |> Why would we transition any other way? | |because various functionality voxware uses is now optional What does this mean? |and will be gone in the coming weeks. the kernel does not revolve around |sound, Exactly. The kernel revolves around applications. And applications revolve around users and their needs. |and voxware is an acceptable loss. once the isa shims are gone, voxware |will not compile without being newbusified which is a task of great |magnitude. at this time, the point is moot. Is it? You own a 400 room apartment building. You've built a brand-spankin new 200 room apartment building with a pool. Cool. Now you say to the residents, "Everybody over to the new building with the pool. We're gonna blow the other one up!" Do you really think the residents in the other 200 rooms are going to sleep on the the street while you expand? There are other apartments.... |unless someone comes forward with a newbusified voxware, it will be |removed soon. i, and others, will want to see code, not promises. Sorry Fred. That line don't fly with me. I don't have to stand ready with coding time to fix anything you want to break or rip out. Randall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Mar 20 13:20:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D0337BF63; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:59:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gandalf@vilnya.demon.co.uk) Received: from vilnya.demon.co.uk ([158.152.19.238]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12X9G1-000CaF-0V; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:58:43 +0000 Received: from NENYA (nenya.rings [10.2.4.3]) by vilnya.demon.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 94D39D9AD; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:58:20 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <000c01bf92af$144ac600$0304020a@NENYA> From: "Cameron Grant" To: "Randall Hopper" Cc: "Amancio Hasty" , "Conrad Sabatier" , , References: <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> <000701bf91d5$4aebeb60$0304020a@NENYA> <001a01bf91c1$7f62a4b0$0304020a@NENYA> <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> <20000319220453.A65973@ipass.net> <005d01bf9221$4660ac60$0304020a@NENYA> <20000320153429.A1373@ipass.net> Subject: Re: Voxware is toast. Get used to it. (Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance?) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:58:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > |to my knowledge, midi is the only functionality missing. also, multiple > |opens of /dev/dsp are not yet implemented. both will be soon. >From what I hear, it sounds like we need some more testing time too. exactly *what* do you think -current is? > |> Why would we transition any other way? > |because various functionality voxware uses is now optional > What does this mean? unless you define 'options COMPAT_OLDISA' voxware will not compile. > |and will be gone in the coming weeks. the kernel does not revolve around > |sound, > Exactly. The kernel revolves around applications. And applications > revolve around users and their needs. -current revolves around developers. 5.0-release will be at least a year in the making. > |and voxware is an acceptable loss. once the isa shims are gone, voxware > |will not compile without being newbusified which is a task of great > |magnitude. at this time, the point is moot. > Is it? You own a 400 room apartment building. You've built a > brand-spankin new 200 room apartment building with a pool. Cool. Now you > say to the residents, "Everybody over to the new building with the pool. > We're gonna blow the other one up!" Do you really think the residents in > the other 200 rooms are going to sleep on the the street while you expand? > There are other apartments.... this similie is not appropriate to -current, which is the subject of this discussion. > |unless someone comes forward with a newbusified voxware, it will be > |removed soon. i, and others, will want to see code, not promises. > Sorry Fred. That line don't fly with me. I don't have to stand ready with > coding time to fix anything you want to break or rip out. then suffer the loss gracefully. -cg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Mar 20 14:40:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A4E37B856 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:40:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@snuggly.demon.co.uk) Received: from snuggly.demon.co.uk ([212.229.111.142]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12XAqR-0006g0-0X; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:40:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (steve@localhost) by snuggly.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02864; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:40:15 GMT (envelope-from steve@snuggly.demon.co.uk) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:40:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Roome To: multimedia@freebsd.org Cc: Randall Hopper Subject: Re: Voxware is toast. Get used to it. (Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance?) In-Reply-To: <20000320153429.A1373@ipass.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, Randall Hopper wrote: > |and voxware is an acceptable loss. once the isa shims are gone, voxware > |will not compile without being newbusified which is a task of great > |magnitude. at this time, the point is moot. > > Is it? You own a 400 room apartment building. You've built a > brand-spankin new 200 room apartment building with a pool. Cool. Now you > say to the residents, "Everybody over to the new building with the pool. > We're gonna blow the other one up!" Do you really think the residents in > the other 200 rooms are going to sleep on the the street while you expand? > There are other apartments.... Not to mention that the new pool doesn't have a water filter, and in some cases the water just pours upwards out of it... [ Just one more vote for voxware to stay - even though I can't use it with my card =( ] Anyway as long as the average desktop user can play CD-audio, record from the microphone or line input and perhaps use fxtv, play quake and the odd midi then pcm is fine and voxware ought to go ? Reasonable Questions : With the newpcm code will it be easy to get linux voxware apps supported through linux-emulation, and will it be feasible to port old (and new) voxware apps to newpcm ? Also, would it be possible to provide a compatibility library so that voxware specific calls could be made through it and turned into newpcm calls ? (or is that a pipedream/impossibility ?) Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Mar 20 15: 4:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205ED37B9B4; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:04:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA50301; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:03:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <200003202303.PAA50301@rah.star-gate.com> To: Randall Hopper Cc: Cameron Grant , Amancio Hasty , Conrad Sabatier , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, hasty@rah.star-gate.com Subject: Re: Voxware is toast. Get used to it. (Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance?) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:34:29 EST." <20000320153429.A1373@ipass.net> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:03:03 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org don't worry guys I am stepping in however not today I have work related priorities dictating my time . Fortunately, I am coming out of my crunch. For years, I have supported you guys so please keep the flames down for starters thats not really who we are -- Remember we are friendly and cool 8) Best Regards To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Mar 21 3:48: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from trinity.skynet.be (trinity.skynet.be [195.238.2.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1B137B839; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 03:47:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by trinity.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7F018055; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 12:47:38 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000320153429.A1373@ipass.net> References: <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> <000701bf91d5$4aebeb60$0304020a@NENYA> <001a01bf91c1$7f62a4b0$0304020a@NENYA> <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> <20000319220453.A65973@ipass.net> <005d01bf9221$4660ac60$0304020a@NENYA> <20000320153429.A1373@ipass.net> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:41:07 +0100 To: Randall Hopper , Cameron Grant From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: Voxware is toast. Get used to it. (Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance?) Cc: Amancio Hasty , Conrad Sabatier , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 3:34 PM -0500 2000/3/20, Randall Hopper wrote: > From what I hear, it sounds like we need some more testing time too. Yeah, we do. This is what an x.0-RELEASE is all about. The people seriously hacking on -CURRENT are largely done with this chunk of their work, and things have been mostly cleaned up to the point where it's semi-useable. Now, it's time to get this code out to a wider audience, and see what else is missing and needs to be fixed. However, IMO anyone using an x.0-RELEASE on a production box basically gets what they deserve. This is more appropriate for development/test/play boxes, so that you can get a feel for what is coming, and you'll feel comfortable enough with it that by the time x.3-RELEASE comes around, you will feel confident that you can safely put it into production. > Exactly. The kernel revolves around applications. And applications > revolve around users and their needs. True enough. But the guys who've been doing some serious hacking on -CURRENT don't have all the various bits of more unusual hardware and applications that the wider community has, so they can't see these problems, and if they can't see them then they can't fix them. This is *why* they're getting an x.0-RELEASE out now, so that a wider community of people with more unusual hardware and applications *can* see it, and report the bugs back so that these problems can be fixed. > Sorry Fred. That line don't fly with me. I don't have to stand ready with > coding time to fix anything you want to break or rip out. If you want to play with -CURRENT, yes you do. It has been stated many times over that -CURRENT isn't guaranteed to do anything (including compile or run), except have a higher probability of toasting your machine and your application. This is the true bleeding edge, and if you want to play, you have to be prepared to get cut pretty often. If you want to play with x.0-RELEASE, you have to realize that there are some rough spots and some sharp edges that have not yet been detected, or if they have been detected they haven't yet been dealt with. So again, you have to be prepared for the possibility of being cut. If you prefer not to get cut, then you had better stick with the -STABLE tree, which right now means 3.x-STABLE. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Mar 21 16:43:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from charon.ipass.net (charon.ipass.net [198.79.53.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F339337BECF; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:43:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rhh@ipass.net) Received: from stealth.ipass.net. (ppp-1-66.dialup.rdu.ipass.net [209.170.132.66]) by charon.ipass.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08283; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:42:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.ipass.net. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id TAA01592; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:45:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rhh) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:45:09 -0500 From: Randall Hopper To: Brad Knowles Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Voxware is toast. Get used to it. (Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance?) Message-ID: <20000321194509.A1273@ipass.net> References: <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> <000701bf91d5$4aebeb60$0304020a@NENYA> <001a01bf91c1$7f62a4b0$0304020a@NENYA> <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> <20000319220453.A65973@ipass.net> <005d01bf9221$4660ac60$0304020a@NENYA> <20000320153429.A1373@ipass.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from blk@skynet.be on Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 10:41:07AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brad Knowles: |At 3:34 PM -0500 2000/3/20, Randall Hopper wrote: | |> From what I hear, it sounds like we need some more testing time too. | | Yeah, we do. This is what an x.0-RELEASE is all about. The ... | However, IMO anyone using an x.0-RELEASE on a production box |basically gets what they deserve. This is more appropriate for |development/test/play boxes, ... ... |This is *why* they're getting an x.0-RELEASE out now, so that a wider |community of people with more unusual hardware and applications *can* |see it, and report the bugs back so that these problems can be fixed. ... |It has been stated many times over that -CURRENT isn't guaranteed to do |anything (including compile or run), except have a higher probability of |toasting your machine and your application. ... | If you want to play with x.0-RELEASE, you have to realize that |there are some rough spots and some sharp edges that have not yet |been detected, or if they have been detected they haven't yet been |dealt with. So again, you have to be prepared for the possibility of |being cut. I appreciate your response. I think we're talking the same language. The main new piece of information to me that you mentioned (somewhat of a surprise in fact) is that x.0-RELEASE is really only for "development/test/play" boxes (and thus really a -CURRENT) and not for production and user's-primary-PC boxes at home. I wasn't aware of this, but I appreciate you filling me in. In general, is this true just for the x.0-RELEASE, or for x.*-RELEASE where x is the latest version in CMS (just as 4.x is now)? That is, what is the view of core on this in terms of planning a feature set and stability target for a -RELEASE? Thanks, Randall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Mar 21 16:58: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F03437BECF; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:58:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18690; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:58:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Randall Hopper Cc: Brad Knowles , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Voxware is toast. Get used to it. (Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance?) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:45:09 EST." <20000321194509.A1273@ipass.net> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:58:09 -0800 Message-ID: <18687.953686689@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The main new piece of information to me that you mentioned (somewhat of a > surprise in fact) is that x.0-RELEASE is really only for > "development/test/play" boxes (and thus really a -CURRENT) and not for > production and user's-primary-PC boxes at home. I wasn't aware of this, > but I appreciate you filling me in. Sorry, I wouldn't take that as gospel any longer either. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Mar 21 17:34:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from oberon.dnai.com (oberon.dnai.com [207.181.194.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A290137BA61 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:34:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kmarx@bigshed.com) Received: from bigshed.com (dnai-216-15-97-193.cust.dnai.com [216.15.97.193]) by oberon.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17662; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:34:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38D823E1.87FDA291@bigshed.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 17:37:37 -0800 From: Ken Marx X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Ken Marx Subject: Lost interrupts in snd0 ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm seeing intermitent long (> 10 sec) pauses in the snd (voxware) driver, that look to be possibly due to lost interrupts. This is on 3.2 and 3.4 hosts, AMD K6-III and K7, respectively. Both use a Creative AWE64 isa soundcard. It is easy to reproduce, but not strictly deterministic. I can make it happen by using waveplay on a .wav file, or also in my own code that calls a third party package. It occurs when i386/isa/dmabuf.c's dma_sync() calls DO_SLEEP1(). Usually the sleep is woken up via interrupt in DMAbuf_outputintr(), but on some occasions it times out after about 10 (!) seconds. For waveplay it seems to happen when close() is called on the /dev/dsp device. For my app, I can see the package invoking the sync via a SNDCTL_DSP_SYNC ioctl. (To reproduce, try % repeat 200 waveplay some_short_file.wav. That usually produces the problem 2-10 or more times.) Using truss, ktrace and a bunch of hacky debug in the driver code, I can't see anything significantly different between the cases where everything is fine and those where the timeout occurs. I have pretty much convinced myself that none of the code there actually sees an interrupt and mistakenly ignores it. I haven't put a scope on the board or anything, so I don't know if it truly is/isn't trying to intuerrupt. Just to make matters more confusing, a friend in the UK is also running 3.2 on an AMDK6-III, same soundcard, and can't reproduce this problem. Can anyone please help? I'm pretty week on how the sound stuff is supposed to work, and am kind of running low on ideas? Is the AWE64 known for this kind of behavior? (If so, any better alternatives that will work with 3.x voxware driver?) Could it be something with the motherboard, dma controller, bus? I'm really grasping at straws here... Any thoughts? Thanks much for any assistance! k. -- Ken Marx, kmarx@bigshed.com It's a tough road to hoe, but we have to leverage our critical resources and determine the right amount of effort with respect to the methodology assets. - http://cgi.bigshed.com/~kmarx/cgi-bin/speak.cgi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Mar 22 6:43:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from rerun.lucentctc.com (rerun.lucentctc.com [199.93.237.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0535337C047 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 06:43:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mcambria@lucent.com) Received: by rerun.lucentctc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:43:34 -0500 Message-ID: <75ADD7496F0BD211ADC000104B8846CF012CED10@rerun.lucentctc.com> From: "Cambria, Mike" To: "'multimedia@freebsd.org'" Subject: CS4236B microphone problems Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:43:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I am trying to get the microphone to work on FreeBSD-Release on a new Dell Precision 410 Workstation. According to NT4.0 (and dmesg below)), the motherboard has a built in CS4236B. I've used the pcm driver to get everything to work except the microphone. I've already tried mix to set mic, mix, line in etc. to 100:100, which was suggested to others in the mailing list archives. The pcm0 kernel entries are set to what NT shows the values to be, specifically: device pcm0 at isa? port 0x534 tty irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x10 (flags should say to use dma 0 as the 2ed dma) The only thing that doesn't look right is the mss_attach showing the device found at 0x530, not 0x534. BTW, should I be using pcm0 or should it be pcm1? The output of dmesg, sndstat (in case it is usefull) and pnpinfo are shown below. Any help is appreciated. Thanks, MikeC Probing for PnP devices: CSN 1 Vendor ID: CSC6835 [0x3568630e] Serial 0xffffffff Comp ID: @@@0000 [0x00000000] mss_attach 1 at 0x530 irq 5 dma 1:0 flags 0x10 pcm1 (CS423x/Yamaha/AD1816 sn 0xffffffff) at 0x530-0x537 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x10 on isa # cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (981002) Mar 18 2000 19:22:46 Installed devices: pcm1: at 0x530 irq 5 dma 1:0 sequencer1: at 0x388 (not functional) # pnpinfo Checking for Plug-n-Play devices... Card assigned CSN #1 Vendor ID CSC6835 (0x3568630e), Serial Number 0xffffffff PnP Version 1.0, Vendor Version 1 Device Description: CS4236B Logical Device ID: CSC0000 0x0000630e #0 Device Description: WSS/SB TAG Start DF Good Configuration DMA: channel(s) 1 3 8-bit, not a bus master, count by byte, , Type A DMA: channel(s) 0 1 3 8-bit, not a bus master, count by byte, , Type A IRQ: 5 7 9 - only one type (true/edge) I/O Range 0x534 .. 0x608, alignment 0xd4, len 0x4 [16-bit addr] I/O Range 0x388 .. 0x388, alignment 0x8, len 0x4 [16-bit addr] I/O Range 0x220 .. 0x240, alignment 0x20, len 0x10 [16-bit addr] TAG Start DF Acceptable Configuration DMA: channel(s) 0 1 3 8-bit, not a bus master, count by byte, , Type A IRQ: 5 7 9 11 12 15 - only one type (true/edge) I/O Range 0x534 .. 0xffc, alignment 0x4, len 0x4 [16-bit addr] I/O Range 0x388 .. 0x3f0, alignment 0x8, len 0x4 [16-bit addr] I/O Range 0x220 .. 0x260, alignment 0x10, len 0x10 [16-bit addr] TAG End DF Logical Device ID: CSC000f 0x0f00630e #1 Device Description: Game TAG Start DF Good Configuration I/O Range 0x3a0 .. 0x3f8, alignment 0x8, len 0x8 [16-bit addr] TAG End DF Logical Device ID: CSC0010 0x1000630e #2 Device Description: Ctrl I/O Range 0xf00 .. 0xfe8, alignment 0x8, len 0x8 [16-bit addr] End Tag Successfully got 26 resources, 3 logical fdevs -- card select # 0x0001 CSN CSC6835 (0x3568630e), Serial Number 0xffffffff Logical device #0 IO: 0x0534 0x0388 0x0220 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 IRQ 5 0 DMA 1 0 IO range check 0x00 activate 0x01 Logical device #1 IO: 0x03a0 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 IRQ 0 0 DMA 4 4 IO range check 0x00 activate 0x01 Logical device #2 IO: 0x0f00 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 IRQ 0 0 DMA 4 4 IO range check 0x00 activate 0x01 Michael C. Cambria Lucent Technologies Member of Technical Staff Bell Labs Innovations Voice: (978) 287 - 2807 300 Baker Avenue Fax: (978) 287 - 2810 Concord, Massachusetts 01742 Internet: mcambria@lucent.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Mar 22 11:46:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from ring.vpop.net (ring.vpop.net [206.117.147.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3697F37BB03 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:46:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mreimer@vpop.net) Received: from vpop.net (bilbo.vpop.net [216.160.82.65]) by ring.vpop.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA45417; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:46:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mreimer@vpop.net) Message-ID: <38D9231A.3F5FA033@vpop.net> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:46:34 -0800 From: Matthew Reimer Organization: VPOP Technologies, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Cambria, Mike" Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CS4236B microphone problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try changing some of the other mixer settings; on my CS4237 with newpcm, the line in is actually controlled by the synth volume (PR16588). Matt "Cambria, Mike" wrote: > > Hi, > > I am trying to get the microphone to work on FreeBSD-Release on a new Dell > Precision 410 Workstation. According to NT4.0 (and dmesg below)), the > motherboard has a built in CS4236B. > > I've used the pcm driver to get everything to work except the microphone. > I've already tried mix to set mic, mix, line in etc. to 100:100, which was > suggested to others in the mailing list archives. The pcm0 kernel entries > are set to what NT shows the values to be, specifically: > > device pcm0 at isa? port 0x534 tty irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x10 (flags should > say to use dma 0 as the 2ed dma) > > The only thing that doesn't look right is the mss_attach showing the device > found at 0x530, not 0x534. BTW, should I be using pcm0 or should it be > pcm1? > > The output of dmesg, sndstat (in case it is usefull) and pnpinfo are shown > below. > > Any help is appreciated. > > Thanks, > MikeC > > Probing for PnP devices: > CSN 1 Vendor ID: CSC6835 [0x3568630e] Serial 0xffffffff Comp ID: @@@0000 > [0x00000000] > mss_attach 1 at 0x530 irq 5 dma 1:0 flags 0x10 > pcm1 (CS423x/Yamaha/AD1816 sn 0xffffffff) at 0x530-0x537 irq 5 > drq 1 flags 0x10 on isa > > # cat /dev/sndstat > FreeBSD Audio Driver (981002) Mar 18 2000 19:22:46 > Installed devices: > pcm1: at 0x530 irq 5 dma 1:0 > sequencer1: at 0x388 (not functional) > > # pnpinfo > Checking for Plug-n-Play devices... > > Card assigned CSN #1 > Vendor ID CSC6835 (0x3568630e), Serial Number 0xffffffff > PnP Version 1.0, Vendor Version 1 > Device Description: CS4236B > > Logical Device ID: CSC0000 0x0000630e #0 > Device Description: WSS/SB > TAG Start DF > Good Configuration > DMA: channel(s) 1 3 > 8-bit, not a bus master, count by byte, , Type A > DMA: channel(s) 0 1 3 > 8-bit, not a bus master, count by byte, , Type A > IRQ: 5 7 9 - only one type (true/edge) > I/O Range 0x534 .. 0x608, alignment 0xd4, len 0x4 > [16-bit addr] > I/O Range 0x388 .. 0x388, alignment 0x8, len 0x4 > [16-bit addr] > I/O Range 0x220 .. 0x240, alignment 0x20, len 0x10 > [16-bit addr] > TAG Start DF > Acceptable Configuration > DMA: channel(s) 0 1 3 > 8-bit, not a bus master, count by byte, , Type A > IRQ: 5 7 9 11 12 15 - only one type (true/edge) > I/O Range 0x534 .. 0xffc, alignment 0x4, len 0x4 > [16-bit addr] > I/O Range 0x388 .. 0x3f0, alignment 0x8, len 0x4 > [16-bit addr] > I/O Range 0x220 .. 0x260, alignment 0x10, len 0x10 > [16-bit addr] > TAG End DF > > Logical Device ID: CSC000f 0x0f00630e #1 > Device Description: Game > TAG Start DF > Good Configuration > I/O Range 0x3a0 .. 0x3f8, alignment 0x8, len 0x8 > [16-bit addr] > TAG End DF > > Logical Device ID: CSC0010 0x1000630e #2 > Device Description: Ctrl > I/O Range 0xf00 .. 0xfe8, alignment 0x8, len 0x8 > [16-bit addr] > End Tag > > Successfully got 26 resources, 3 logical fdevs > -- card select # 0x0001 > > CSN CSC6835 (0x3568630e), Serial Number 0xffffffff > > Logical device #0 > IO: 0x0534 0x0388 0x0220 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 > IRQ 5 0 > DMA 1 0 > IO range check 0x00 activate 0x01 > > Logical device #1 > IO: 0x03a0 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 > IRQ 0 0 > DMA 4 4 > IO range check 0x00 activate 0x01 > > Logical device #2 > IO: 0x0f00 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 0x0000 > IRQ 0 0 > DMA 4 4 > IO range check 0x00 activate 0x01 > > Michael C. Cambria Lucent Technologies > Member of Technical Staff Bell Labs Innovations > Voice: (978) 287 - 2807 300 Baker Avenue > Fax: (978) 287 - 2810 Concord, Massachusetts 01742 > Internet: mcambria@lucent.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Mar 22 19:50:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from charon.ipass.net (charon.ipass.net [198.79.53.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2414837B825 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:50:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rhh@ipass.net) Received: from stealth.ipass.net. (ppp-4-99.dialup.rdu.ipass.net [209.170.134.99]) by charon.ipass.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05108; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:50:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.ipass.net. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id WAA04080; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:53:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rhh) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:53:22 -0500 From: Randall Hopper To: Ken Marx Cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lost interrupts in snd0 ? Message-ID: <20000322225322.A3725@ipass.net> References: <38D823E1.87FDA291@bigshed.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <38D823E1.87FDA291@bigshed.com>; from kmarx@bigshed.com on Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 05:37:37PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ken Marx: |I'm seeing intermitent long (> 10 sec) pauses in |the snd (voxware) driver, that look to be possibly due |to lost interrupts. | |This is on 3.2 and 3.4 hosts, AMD K6-III and K7, respectively. |Both use a Creative AWE64 isa soundcard. ... |Just to make matters more confusing, a friend in the UK is also |running 3.2 on an AMDK6-III, same soundcard, and can't reproduce |this problem. | |Can anyone please help? I'm pretty week on how the sound stuff |is supposed to work, and am kind of running low on ideas? So it's not just me! I too was running well with my Creative SB32 (mostly the same as your card) with 3.2R and my AMD K6-III. Upgrading to 3.4R, I also seem to see more hangs on close. 2) I also see much longer skips with mtv (the same mtv executable and same MPEG streams) than I did with 3.4R. It behaves like some bad changes were made to the SNDCTL_DSP_GETOSPACE or related buffer-query calls. 3) Finally, every so often I get 3-10 second bursts of "loud" static (pops, and noise sputters) out of my soundcard when no app is doing sound. This never happened/happens on 3.2R so something is very likely amiss in the sound code. FWIW, I have both 3.2R and 3.4R both installed on seperate partitions so it's easy for me to multiboot back and forth to compare. Randall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Mar 22 20:55:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from oberon.dnai.com (oberon.dnai.com [207.181.194.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B3237B5B0 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:55:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kmarx@bigshed.com) Received: from bigshed.com (dnai-216-15-97-193.cust.dnai.com [216.15.97.193]) by oberon.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA38394; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:55:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38D9A470.FFC819DD@bigshed.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:58:25 -0800 From: Ken Marx X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randall Hopper Cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, Ken Marx Subject: Re: Lost interrupts in snd0 ? References: <38D823E1.87FDA291@bigshed.com> <20000322225322.A3725@ipass.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Randall, Thanks for the reply. A bitter, but welcome relief. So, I don't get all the behaviors you describe (but also don't run mtv ever). Still, no spurious pops or noises. I do know that I get a humm though my speakers based on xwindow activity though. (Never have really understood this one.) Anyway, I have a few general questions (for lack of intelligent ones): 1. Who is/are supporting the voxware driver for 3.x? Can we get help here? 2. We should diff the 3.2/3.4 i386/isa/sound source, and maybe try using 3.2 source in the 3.4 kernel (if possible?). I thought I did this diff once and saw no changes, but doing it now between an old 3.1 and current 3.2 tree, there're are changes. What do you see between 3.2/4? 3. I've been wondering about motherboards. Can bus timings or bios settings affect things? My 3.2 box has an FIC PA2013 @ 400mhz. What have you got? (Although the fact that you see different behavior on the same box w/ different OS's points away from this.) 4. I have tried running OSS on my box. I don't see the long pauses, but in an app where I tried playing a wavefile piece wise (doing a fresh open of /dev/audio for each snippet), the playback was extremely choppy. As if they were building in long timeouts somewhere to try and mitigate spurious lost interrupts? Just a wild guess. Anyway, you can try OSS for free from their web site at http://www.opensound.com/. They'll give you an eval license. It requires you to build a kernel w/out native sound drivers. 5. Is there a way, other than insturmenting the kernel to keep timestamps on all outb() inb() calls to know what the board thinks it's doing during these pauses and/or whether it thinks it already interrupted back. 6. Is it possible that some how the qlen is incorrectly > 0 hence making the snd driver think that it's waiting for something that will never occur? I couldn't find it in the code, but that means nothing. 7. Lastly, this is kind of dumb, but you can put some trace in your kernel to see how long it's waiting in dma_sync(). I'll include this rather ugly hack down below. Know that I played with notching down the 10 second DO_SLEEP1() (calls tsleep) timeout value to what I thought would be more reasonable - say, 3-4 X 1/16, since I figured interrupts should occur about 16/sec. Seems to depend on how the app talks to the board via writes, ioctl's, etc. Probably a reason for the 10 sec sleep, but wish I knew what it was. Hope you or someone has something to add to this rambling... Take care, k. -- Ken Marx, kmarx@bigshed.com Continue to leverage our ability to innovate within our technology strategy!! - http://cgi.bigshed.com/~kmarx/cgi-bin/speak.cgi -------------------------------------------------- hack/debug in dmabuf.c:dma_sync() .... while (!PROCESS_ABORTING (out_sleep_flag[dev]) && audio_devs[dev]->dmap_out->qlen){ int chn; int tmoutTics = 10 * hz; microtime( &t0 ); DO_SLEEP1(chn, out_sleep_flag[dev], tmoutTics); if (TIMED_OUT (out_sleep_flag[dev]) ) { printf("snd%d dma_sync: timed out. Tics=%d\n", dev, tmoutTics ); splx(flags); return audio_devs[dev]->dmap_out->qlen; } microtime( &t1 ); /* * from /usr/include/sys/time.h under #ifndef KERNEL * since i didn't grok timevalsub. stupid. */ #define timersub(tvp, uvp, vvp) \ do { \ (vvp)->tv_sec = (tvp)->tv_sec - (uvp)->tv_sec; \ (vvp)->tv_usec = (tvp)->tv_usec - (uvp)->tv_usec; \ if ((vvp)->tv_usec < 0) { \ (vvp)->tv_sec--; \ (vvp)->tv_usec += 1000000; \ } \ } while (0) timersub( &t1, &t0, &dt ); printf("sync time: %ld secs, %ld usecs\n", dt.tv_sec, dt.tv_usec ); } Randall Hopper wrote: > > Ken Marx: > |I'm seeing intermitent long (> 10 sec) pauses in > |the snd (voxware) driver, that look to be possibly due > |to lost interrupts. > | > |This is on 3.2 and 3.4 hosts, AMD K6-III and K7, respectively. > |Both use a Creative AWE64 isa soundcard. > ... > |Just to make matters more confusing, a friend in the UK is also > |running 3.2 on an AMDK6-III, same soundcard, and can't reproduce > |this problem. > | > |Can anyone please help? I'm pretty week on how the sound stuff > |is supposed to work, and am kind of running low on ideas? > > So it's not just me! I too was running well with my Creative SB32 (mostly > the same as your card) with 3.2R and my AMD K6-III. Upgrading to 3.4R, I > also seem to see more hangs on close. > > 2) I also see much longer skips with mtv (the same mtv executable and same > MPEG streams) than I did with 3.4R. It behaves like some bad changes were > made to the SNDCTL_DSP_GETOSPACE or related buffer-query calls. > > 3) Finally, every so often I get 3-10 second bursts of "loud" static (pops, > and noise sputters) out of my soundcard when no app is doing sound. > This never happened/happens on 3.2R so something is very likely amiss > in the sound code. > > FWIW, I have both 3.2R and 3.4R both installed on seperate partitions so > it's easy for me to multiboot back and forth to compare. > > Randall -- Ken Marx, kmarx@bigshed.com Continue to leverage our ability to innovate within our technology strategy!! - http://cgi.bigshed.com/~kmarx/cgi-bin/speak.cgi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Mar 22 21:15:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAD037B653 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:15:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pulsifer@mediaone.net) Received: from ahp3 (ahp.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.184.250]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA04824; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:15:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Allen Pulsifer" To: "Ken Marx" Cc: Subject: RE: Lost interrupts in snd0 ? Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:15:36 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38D9A470.FFC819DD@bigshed.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I do know that > I get a humm though my speakers based on xwindow activity though. Try muting each of the sound sources/inputs in turn. (Sorry, I don't personally know how to do this in FBSD. I only use sound when running Windows.) Its probably RF noise that's getting picked up by the external mic input, so if you disable or mute the mic input, the hum will go away. Allen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 23 4:27: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from nets5.rz.rwth-aachen.de (nets5.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA4BF37C427 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 04:27:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.240]) by nets5.rz.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1/10) with ESMTP id NAA26455 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:27:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.30.2]) by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1/3) with ESMTP id NAA13817 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:27:56 +0100 (MET) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.3/8.6.9) id NAA42768 for multimedia@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:27:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:27:02 +0100 (CET) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <200003231227.NAA42768@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: reading DAT tape with audio data Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone know if there's a way to read out a DAT tape that has an audio recording on it (AIWA DAT Player/Recorder). -- Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 23 7:28: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from stox.sa.enteract.com (stox.sa.enteract.com [207.229.132.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C439537C4AC for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 07:27:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@stox.sa.enteract.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by stox.sa.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27623; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:27:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ken) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200003231227.NAA42768@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:27:34 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: stox@imagescape.com Organization: Imaginary Landscape, LLC. From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: Christoph Kukulies Subject: RE: reading DAT tape with audio data Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The only DAT drives I know of that support audio are SGI's with "special" firmware loaded. On 23-Mar-00 Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > Does anyone know if there's a way to read out a DAT tape that has > an audio recording on it (AIWA DAT Player/Recorder). > > -- > Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message - Kenneth P. Stox @09:26:45 on 23-Mar-00 Although golf was originally restricted to wealthy, overweight Protestants, today it's open to anybody who owns hideous clothing. -- Dave Barry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 23 8:50:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0CD37C0BA; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:50:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmz@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jmz@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA83880; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:50:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmz@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:50:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003231650.IAA83880@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: jmz set sender to jmz@FreeBSD.org using -f From: Jean-Marc Zucconi To: kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <200003231227.NAA42768@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> (message from Christoph Kukulies on Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:27:02 +0100 (CET)) Subject: Re: reading DAT tape with audio data X-Mailer: Emacs References: <200003231227.NAA42768@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>>>> Christoph Kukulies writes: > Does anyone know if there's a way to read out a DAT tape that has > an audio recording on it (AIWA DAT Player/Recorder). Currently the only way is to use the analog output and the A/D converter of your sound card. Another way is to transfer data via the S/PDIF interface. Some sound cards do have such an interface. I have one and I am working on a driver, but don't hold your breath, I am already 1 year behind my schedule :-) Jean-Marc -- Jean-Marc Zucconi PGP Key: finger jmz@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 23 9:46:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from ring.vpop.net (ring.vpop.net [206.117.147.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F26337BA2F for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:46:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mreimer@vpop.net) Received: from vpop.net (bilbo.vpop.net [216.160.82.65]) by ring.vpop.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA98264; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:46:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mreimer@vpop.net) Message-ID: <38DA5878.4A38C619@vpop.net> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:46:32 -0800 From: Matthew Reimer Organization: VPOP Technologies, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stox@imagescape.com Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: reading DAT tape with audio data References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org And if you do have DAT audio-capable firmware, you might try porting DATlib: ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/pub/DATlib/ But apparently it only runs on SunOS and maybe Linux. Matt "Kenneth P. Stox" wrote: > > The only DAT drives I know of that support audio are SGI's with "special" > firmware loaded. > > On 23-Mar-00 Christoph Kukulies wrote: > > > > Does anyone know if there's a way to read out a DAT tape that has > > an audio recording on it (AIWA DAT Player/Recorder). > > > > -- > > Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message > > - > Kenneth P. Stox > @09:26:45 on 23-Mar-00 > Although golf was originally restricted to wealthy, overweight > Protestants, today it's open to anybody who owns hideous clothing. > -- Dave Barry > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 23 13: 7: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7BED37B8F8 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:05:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@snuggly.demon.co.uk) Received: from snuggly.demon.co.uk ([212.229.111.142]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12YEn1-000JiT-0V for freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:05:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (steve@localhost) by snuggly.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00776 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:05:10 GMT (envelope-from steve@snuggly.demon.co.uk) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:05:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Roome To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: port newpcm to 3-stable ? In-Reply-To: <38D9A470.FFC819DD@bigshed.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does the new sound driver from -current allow mmapped buffers (or whatever is needed for quake yet ?) also does midi work ? If so, and perhaps even if not, would it be possible (easy/difficult) to port the new sound driver from -current into stable ? Also, is it planned to port it to 3-stable at any point anyway ? Why ? Well, voxware in 3.4-stable doesn't work with my SB16 pci, and probably doesn't work with most cards reliably, and pcm doesn't seem to do anything properly with my soundcard. Steve (I expect I'm not the only person who has a windows dual boot and unplugs the speakers from the sound card and plugs them directly into the CD-ROM when they boot to FreeBSD - sad but true.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 23 13:32:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625E937BA70 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:32:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25589; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:32:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:32:24 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: Steve Roome Cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: port newpcm to 3-stable ? Message-ID: <20000323133224.A22554@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <38D9A470.FFC819DD@bigshed.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: ; from steve@snuggly.demon.co.uk on Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 09:05:10PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 09:05:10PM +0000, Steve Roome wrote: > Does the new sound driver from -current allow mmapped buffers (or whatever > is needed for quake yet ?) also does midi work ? > > If so, and perhaps even if not, would it be possible (easy/difficult) to > port the new sound driver from -current into stable ? Since newpcm uses newbus, it isn't possiable to port to 3.x (at least for i386, the alpha has always used newbus.) -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 23 13:42:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A99437B9B0 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:42:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@snuggly.demon.co.uk) Received: from snuggly.demon.co.uk ([212.229.111.142]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12YFN1-00065v-0Y; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:42:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (steve@localhost) by snuggly.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00939; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:42:00 GMT (envelope-from steve@snuggly.demon.co.uk) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:42:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Roome To: Brooks Davis Cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: port newpcm to 3-stable ? In-Reply-To: <20000323133224.A22554@orion.ac.hmc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Brooks Davis wrote: > Since newpcm uses newbus, it isn't possiable to port to 3.x (at least > for i386, the alpha has always used newbus.) Thanks for that, do you know where I might find information about what newpcm is capable of in 4.0 ? (assuming newpcm is in 4.0-RELEASE). (The release notes don't say much on the subject) Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 23 14: 5:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B235737C76B for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:05:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA06714; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:05:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 14:05:09 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: Steve Roome Cc: Brooks Davis , freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: port newpcm to 3-stable ? Message-ID: <20000323140509.A1409@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <20000323133224.A22554@orion.ac.hmc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: ; from steve@snuggly.demon.co.uk on Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 09:42:00PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 09:42:00PM +0000, Steve Roome wrote: > On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Brooks Davis wrote: > > Since newpcm uses newbus, it isn't possiable to port to 3.x (at least > > for i386, the alpha has always used newbus.) > > Thanks for that, do you know where I might find information about what > newpcm is capable of in 4.0 ? (assuming newpcm is in 4.0-RELEASE). > > (The release notes don't say much on the subject) Unfortunaly, I don't think there is much documentation for newpcm. I've had good results with my Creative SB PCI128. It plays mp3 and cds (I just checked that.) just fine. I've hear that recording sortive works, but there are some application support issues (vat and rat definalty did't work a couple weeks ago and I haven't seen any commits indicating that they should work). -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 23 16:51: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com [24.6.21.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5551E37B9BF for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:50:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from conrads@cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19813; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:50:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000322225322.A3725@ipass.net> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:50:41 -0600 (CST) Organization: @Home Network From: Conrad Sabatier To: Randall Hopper Subject: Re: Lost interrupts in snd0 ? Cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, Ken Marx Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 23-Mar-00 Randall Hopper wrote: > Ken Marx: > |I'm seeing intermitent long (> 10 sec) pauses in > |the snd (voxware) driver, that look to be possibly due > |to lost interrupts. > | > |This is on 3.2 and 3.4 hosts, AMD K6-III and K7, respectively. > |Both use a Creative AWE64 isa soundcard. > ... > |Just to make matters more confusing, a friend in the UK is also > |running 3.2 on an AMDK6-III, same soundcard, and can't reproduce > |this problem. > | > |Can anyone please help? I'm pretty week on how the sound stuff > |is supposed to work, and am kind of running low on ideas? > > So it's not just me! I too was running well with my Creative SB32 > (mostly the same as your card) with 3.2R and my AMD K6-III. Upgrading > to 3.4R, I also seem to see more hangs on close. > > 2) I also see much longer skips with mtv (the same mtv executable and > same MPEG streams) than I did with 3.4R. It behaves like some bad > changes were made to the SNDCTL_DSP_GETOSPACE or related buffer-query > calls. Same here. Only in my most recent 3.4-STABLE build have I ever gotten the infamous "DMA timeout - IRQ/DRQ config error?" message with my AWE 64. Also still seeing some chop, after reverting back from 4.0, but with a new cvsup of 3.4-STABLE. Apparently, the changes to the sound drivers were fairly recent, as my previous STABLE kernel, built around Mar 8 or so, had no such problems. -- Conrad Sabatier http://members.home.net/conrads/ ICQ# 1147270 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 23 19:49:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from charon.ipass.net (charon.ipass.net [198.79.53.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D4E37B577 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:49:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rhh@ipass.net) Received: from stealth.ipass.net. (ppp-1-245.dialup.rdu.ipass.net [209.170.132.245]) by charon.ipass.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07196; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:49:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.ipass.net. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id WAA02755; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:51:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rhh) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:51:56 -0500 From: Randall Hopper To: Conrad Sabatier Cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, Ken Marx Subject: Re: Lost interrupts in snd0 ? Message-ID: <20000323225155.A2570@ipass.net> References: <20000322225322.A3725@ipass.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from conrads@home.com on Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 06:50:41PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Conrad Sabatier: |Randall Hopper wrote: |> 2) I also see much longer skips with mtv (the same mtv executable and |> same MPEG streams) than I did with 3.4R. It behaves like some bad |> changes were made to the SNDCTL_DSP_GETOSPACE or related buffer-query |> calls. | |Same here. Only in my most recent 3.4-STABLE build have I ever gotten |the infamous "DMA timeout - IRQ/DRQ config error?" message with my AWE 64. | |Also still seeing some chop, after reverting back from 4.0, but with a new |cvsup of 3.4-STABLE. Apparently, the changes to the sound drivers were |fairly recent, as my previous STABLE kernel, built around Mar 8 or so, had |no such problems. Interesting. Thanks for letting me know. I'd love to know what the patch that did it was. I plan to diff sources after I make it through this semester and get back up to 3.2-R levels. Also, I've never supped CVS so I'm a little leary of doing that. Is this recommended for someone with a pixie-straw connection to the net (56k modem)? Or just the fat pipe folks. Randall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 23 19:53:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5AF437C5FE for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:53:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt6-216-180-5-224.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.5.224]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA28837; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:53:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19596; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:57:14 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <200003240257.UAA19596@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: stox@imagescape.com, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: reading DAT tape with audio data In-reply-to: Message from "Kenneth P. Stox" of "Thu, 23 Mar 2000 09:27:34 CST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:57:14 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Kenneth P. Stox" writes: > > The only DAT drives I know of that support audio are SGI's with "special" > firmware loaded. All SGI OEM Seagate DDS drives are supposed to have the special firmware. I have heard of open source efforts to make use of these features outside of SGI Irix. About a year ago I mounted some aftermarket Seagate Scorpion DDS-3 drives on an SGI O2, and if I remember right, "mt stat" reported the drives were audio capable just like Genuine SGI. Though that was strange at the time. None of the SGI drives had built-in D/A converter and audio outputs the way CDROM drives do. While I've had lots of SGI systems (no longer work there) with genuine SGI DDS drives, I've never had a DAT audio tape so I've never played with SGI's multimedia DDS/DAT abilities. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 23 19:55:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from charon.ipass.net (charon.ipass.net [198.79.53.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C451E37B67E for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 19:55:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rhh@ipass.net) Received: from stealth.ipass.net. (ppp-1-245.dialup.rdu.ipass.net [209.170.132.245]) by charon.ipass.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07891; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:55:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.ipass.net. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id WAA02949; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:58:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rhh) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:58:09 -0500 From: Randall Hopper To: Ken Marx Cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lost interrupts in snd0 ? Message-ID: <20000323225809.B2570@ipass.net> References: <38D823E1.87FDA291@bigshed.com> <20000322225322.A3725@ipass.net> <38D9A470.FFC819DD@bigshed.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <38D9A470.FFC819DD@bigshed.com>; from kmarx@bigshed.com on Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 08:58:25PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ken Marx: | |1. Who is/are supporting the voxware driver for 3.x? Can we get help here? Not sure right now. Amancio's generoulsy volunteered to pick it up soon as his work life settles down. |2. We should diff the 3.2/3.4 i386/isa/sound source, and maybe try | using 3.2 source in the 3.4 kernel (if possible?). I agree. I don't have time right now to go pinning this one down, but if someone else does, I'd certainly appreciate a Cc. |3. I've been wondering about motherboards. Can bus timings or bios | settings affect things? My 3.2 box has an FIC PA2013 @ 400mhz. | What have you got? (Although the fact that you see different ASUS P55T2P4. | behavior on the same box w/ different OS's points away from this.) Agreed. |5. Is there a way, other than insturmenting the kernel to keep | timestamps on all outb() inb() calls to know what the board thinks | it's doing during these pauses and/or whether it thinks it already | interrupted back. Don't know if there's a "DEBUG" toggle you can enable in Voxware or not. Might search around in src/sys/i386/sound and see what you find. |6. Is it possible that some how the qlen is incorrectly > 0 hence | making the snd driver think that it's waiting for something that | will never occur? I couldn't find it in the code, but that means nothing. Beats me. I'm not sure what you mean by qlen. DMA ring transfer buffers? |7. Lastly, this is kind of dumb, but you can put some trace in your | kernel to see how long it's waiting in dma_sync(). All good questions. Hopefully someone else with Voxware guts knowledge can help out here :-) (i.e. I don't qualify) Randall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 23 20: 1:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from charon.ipass.net (charon.ipass.net [198.79.53.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E9A37B674 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:01:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rhh@ipass.net) Received: from stealth.ipass.net. (ppp-1-245.dialup.rdu.ipass.net [209.170.132.245]) by charon.ipass.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08603 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.ipass.net. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id XAA03200 for multimedia@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:04:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rhh) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:04:24 -0500 From: Randall Hopper To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: To Conrad Sabatier (Everyone else please ignore) Message-ID: <20000323230424.E2570@ipass.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You've got mail problems: Randall ----- Forwarded message from Mail Delivery Subsystem ----- Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:50:05 -0600 (CST) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: /usr/home/conrads/.forward: line 1: "|IFS=' '&&exec /usr/local/bin/procmail -f-||exit 75 #conrads"... User conrads@cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com doesn't have a valid shell for mailing to programs The original message was received at Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:50:04 -0600 (CST) from localhost.meta1.la.home.com [127.0.0.1] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- "|IFS=' '&&exec /usr/local/bin/procmail -f-||exit 75 #conrads" (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 /usr/home/conrads/.forward: line 1: "|IFS=' '&&exec /usr/local/bin/procmail -f-||exit 75 #conrads"... User conrads@cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com doesn't have a valid shell for mailing to programs Reporting-MTA: dns; cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com Received-From-MTA: DNS; localhost.meta1.la.home.com Arrival-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:50:04 -0600 (CST) Final-Recipient: RFC822; X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; "|IFS=' '&&exec /usr/local/bin/procmail -f-||exit 75 #conrads"@cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com Action: failed Status: 5.7.1 Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 21:50:05 -0600 (CST) From: Randall Hopper Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 22:51:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Lost interrupts in snd0 ? ... ----- End forwarded message ----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu Mar 23 20:43:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C495D37B63C for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 20:43:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA49754; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:41:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:41:13 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: Randall Hopper Cc: Conrad Sabatier , freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, Ken Marx Subject: Re: Lost interrupts in snd0 ? In-Reply-To: <20000323225155.A2570@ipass.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 23 Mar 2000, Randall Hopper wrote: > Conrad Sabatier: > |Randall Hopper wrote: > |> 2) I also see much longer skips with mtv (the same mtv executable and > |> same MPEG streams) than I did with 3.4R. It behaves like some bad > |> changes were made to the SNDCTL_DSP_GETOSPACE or related buffer-query > |> calls. > | > |Same here. Only in my most recent 3.4-STABLE build have I ever gotten > |the infamous "DMA timeout - IRQ/DRQ config error?" message with my AWE 64. > | > |Also still seeing some chop, after reverting back from 4.0, but with a new > |cvsup of 3.4-STABLE. Apparently, the changes to the sound drivers were > |fairly recent, as my previous STABLE kernel, built around Mar 8 or so, had > |no such problems. > > Interesting. Thanks for letting me know. I'd love to know what the patch > that did it was. I plan to diff sources after I make it through this > semester and get back up to 3.2-R levels. > > Also, I've never supped CVS so I'm a little leary of doing that. Is this > recommended for someone with a pixie-straw connection to the net (56k modem)? > Or just the fat pipe folks. Randall, the thinner your pipe, the more you want cvsup. I tell you right now, you will be completely amazed at how fast it goes. I have only a 33.6, and I usually cvsup in less than 6 minutes. Hows that? Seriously, go get your feet wet! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include C & Java programming, FreeBSD, chuckr@picnic.mat.net | electronics, communications, and signal processing. New Year's Resolution: I will not sphroxify gullible people into looking up fictitious words in the dictionary. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 24 7:25: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB8137B71A for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:25:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from someone@earthlink.net) Received: from golden.retrievers.org (pool0418.cvx6-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.178.159.163]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA25787 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:25:04 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Bailey To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: linux_devtools port Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:23:57 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00032407245000.03645@golden.retrievers.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When I run make install in the linux_devtools port, it says ===> Installing for linux_devtools-6.1 ===> linux_devtools-6.1 depends on file: /compat/linux/etc/redhat-release - found kernel-headers-2.2.12-20.i386.rpm failed dependencies: /bin/sh is needed by kernel-headers-2.2.12-20 *** Error code 1 There's both a /bin/sh and a /compat/linux/bin/sh. This is a 4.0 upgrade. If I could atleast figure out where it was dieing, I might be able to fix it. Any ideas ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 24 9:32:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from oberon.dnai.com (oberon.dnai.com [207.181.194.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D5437B800 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:32:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kmarx@bigshed.com) Received: from bigshed.com (dnai-216-15-97-193.cust.dnai.com [216.15.97.193]) by oberon.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA91734; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:31:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38DBA74B.C2E3DCB6@bigshed.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 09:35:07 -0800 From: Ken Marx X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randall Hopper Cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, Ken Marx Subject: Re: Lost interrupts in snd0 ? References: <38D823E1.87FDA291@bigshed.com> <20000322225322.A3725@ipass.net> <38D9A470.FFC819DD@bigshed.com> <20000323225809.B2570@ipass.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Randall Hopper wrote: > ... > > Beats me. I'm not sure what you mean by qlen. DMA ring transfer buffers? > The code in dmabuf.c reads: 353 while (!PROCESS_ABORTING (out_sleep_flag[dev]) 354 && audio_devs[dev]->dmap_out->qlen){ 355 int chn; 356 357 out_sleeper[dev] = &chn; 358 DO_SLEEP1(chn, out_sleep_flag[dev], 10 * hz); 359 if (TIMED_OUT (out_sleep_flag[dev]) ) { 360 361 splx(flags); 362 363 return audio_devs[dev]->dmap_out->qlen; 364 365 } 366 } I never see the aborting condition in my debug trace (not shown in above) so either 1) dmap_out->qlen is being set correctly and we miss/never-get an interrupt from the board; or 2) we somehow set/leave qlen incorrectly set which causes us to wait (for the max 10*hz = 1000 tics) for an interrupt that never will/should happen. I'm tending to think #1, but mostly don't understand the code enough to be sure and/or prove it. > ...(Hopefully someone else with Voxware guts knowledge can > help out here :-) (i.e. I don't qualify) Definitely and ditto. I'm going to look into the 3.4-STABLE changes that Conrad mentions. Let you know if I see any difference. Btw, I've been able to start testing on a PIII 500mhz 3.4-RELEASE box. So far don't see any problems, but have yet to really bang on it. Thanks to all, k. -- Ken Marx, kmarx@bigshed.com We are empowered to guard the keys to the kingdom and get our arms around the realistic goals. - http://cgi.bigshed.com/~kmarx/cgi-bin/speak.cgi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 24 11:23:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from oberon.dnai.com (oberon.dnai.com [207.181.194.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73A6237B77F for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:23:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kmarx@bigshed.com) Received: from bigshed.com (dnai-216-15-97-193.cust.dnai.com [216.15.97.193]) by oberon.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA60038; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:23:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38DBC16D.1FB8D8A4@bigshed.com> Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:26:37 -0800 From: Ken Marx X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Conrad Sabatier Cc: Randall Hopper , freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lost interrupts in snd0 ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, So, I just cvschlup'd down src-sys for 3.4-RELEASE and 3.4-STABLE, and did diff's on i386/isa/sound dirs: 1. 3.4-RELEASE vs.3.4-STABLE: only changes for pc98 2. 3.2-RELEASE vs 3.4-RELEASE: a two line change to sb16_dsp.c for 8-bit dma. Neither seems too promising in explaining the problems I've been seeing. Of course there could be changes to other parts of the kernel, such as dma stuff. If anyone has a dir(s) they'd like to see diff'd, I'll be happy to do it. Also, details of above diff's available upon request. k. -- Ken Marx, kmarx@bigshed.com We need to put that item on the action register if we're to leverage our critical resources and move back to a clear leadership position in the exposure. - http://cgi.bigshed.com/~kmarx/cgi-bin/speak.cgi Conrad Sabatier wrote: > > On 23-Mar-00 Randall Hopper wrote: > > Ken Marx: > > |I'm seeing intermitent long (> 10 sec) pauses in > > |the snd (voxware) driver, that look to be possibly due > > |to lost interrupts. > > | > > |This is on 3.2 and 3.4 hosts, AMD K6-III and K7, respectively. > > |Both use a Creative AWE64 isa soundcard. > > ... > > |Just to make matters more confusing, a friend in the UK is also > > |running 3.2 on an AMDK6-III, same soundcard, and can't reproduce > > |this problem. > > | > > |Can anyone please help? I'm pretty week on how the sound stuff > > |is supposed to work, and am kind of running low on ideas? > > > > So it's not just me! I too was running well with my Creative SB32 > > (mostly the same as your card) with 3.2R and my AMD K6-III. Upgrading > > to 3.4R, I also seem to see more hangs on close. > > > > 2) I also see much longer skips with mtv (the same mtv executable and > > same MPEG streams) than I did with 3.4R. It behaves like some bad > > changes were made to the SNDCTL_DSP_GETOSPACE or related buffer-query > > calls. > > Same here. Only in my most recent 3.4-STABLE build have I ever gotten > the infamous "DMA timeout - IRQ/DRQ config error?" message with my AWE 64. > > Also still seeing some chop, after reverting back from 4.0, but with a new > cvsup of 3.4-STABLE. Apparently, the changes to the sound drivers were > fairly recent, as my previous STABLE kernel, built around Mar 8 or so, had > no such problems. > > -- > Conrad Sabatier > http://members.home.net/conrads/ > ICQ# 1147270 -- Ken Marx, kmarx@bigshed.com We need to put that item on the action register if we're to leverage our critical resources and move back to a clear leadership position in the exposure. - http://cgi.bigshed.com/~kmarx/cgi-bin/speak.cgi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 24 11:26:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from nets5.rz.rwth-aachen.de (nets5.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E08937B516; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 11:26:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.116.240]) by nets5.rz.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1/10) with ESMTP id UAA24044; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:26:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.30.2]) by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1a/8.9.1/3) with ESMTP id UAA16140; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:27:31 +0100 (MET) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.3/8.6.9) id UAA52038; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:26:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:26:40 +0100 From: Christoph Kukulies To: Jean-Marc Zucconi Cc: kuku@gilberto.physik.RWTH-Aachen.DE, multimedia@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: reading DAT tape with audio data Message-ID: <20000324202640.A52008@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> References: <200003231227.NAA42768@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de> <200003231650.IAA83880@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200003231650.IAA83880@freefall.freebsd.org>; from jmz@FreeBSD.org on Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 08:50:40AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 08:50:40AM -0800, Jean-Marc Zucconi wrote: > >>>>> Christoph Kukulies writes: > > > Does anyone know if there's a way to read out a DAT tape that has > > an audio recording on it (AIWA DAT Player/Recorder). > > Currently the only way is to use the analog output and the A/D > converter of your sound card. Another way is to transfer data via the > S/PDIF interface. Some sound cards do have such an interface. I have > one and I am working on a driver, but don't hold your breath, I am > already 1 year behind my schedule :-) Anyway, what sound card should I get ? I also heard that some sound cards (or is it the driver under Windoze) did a recalculation to 48 KHz sampling rate and a truncation of the 2 LSBs. > > Jean-Marc > > -- > Jean-Marc Zucconi PGP Key: finger jmz@FreeBSD.org -- Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 24 12:13: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from charon.ipass.net (charon.ipass.net [198.79.53.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2B637B9DA for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:13:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rhh@ipass.net) Received: from stealth.ipass.net. (ppp-1-144.dialup.rdu.ipass.net [209.170.132.144]) by charon.ipass.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08040; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:12:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.ipass.net. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id PAA01087; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:15:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rhh) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:15:32 -0500 From: Randall Hopper To: Chuck Robey Cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lost interrupts in snd0 ? Message-ID: <20000324151532.A961@ipass.net> References: <20000323225155.A2570@ipass.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from chuckr@picnic.mat.net on Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 11:41:13PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chuck Robey: |Randall Hopper: |> Also, I've never supped CVS so I'm a little leary of doing that. Is |> this recommended for someone with a pixie-straw connection to the net |> (56k modem)? Or just the fat pipe folks. | |Randall, the thinner your pipe, the more you want cvsup. I tell you right |now, you will be completely amazed at how fast it goes. I have only a |33.6, and I usually cvsup in less than 6 minutes. Hows that? Sounds tempting. Is this first pull this fast? That is, when pulling up from -RELEASE to -STABLE, does it just pull -RELEASE -to- -STABLE deltas? Thanks, Randall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 24 12:30:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E5D37B511 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:30:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05707; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:29:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:29:48 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: Randall Hopper Cc: Chuck Robey , freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lost interrupts in snd0 ? Message-ID: <20000324122948.A4607@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <20000323225155.A2570@ipass.net> <20000324151532.A961@ipass.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: <20000324151532.A961@ipass.net>; from aa8vb@ipass.net on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 03:15:32PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 03:15:32PM -0500, Randall Hopper wrote: > Chuck Robey: > |Randall Hopper: > |> Also, I've never supped CVS so I'm a little leary of doing that. Is > |> this recommended for someone with a pixie-straw connection to the net > |> (56k modem)? Or just the fat pipe folks. > | > |Randall, the thinner your pipe, the more you want cvsup. I tell you right > |now, you will be completely amazed at how fast it goes. I have only a > |33.6, and I usually cvsup in less than 6 minutes. Hows that? > > Sounds tempting. Is this first pull this fast? That is, when pulling up > from -RELEASE to -STABLE, does it just pull -RELEASE -to- -STABLE deltas? It's quite fast. 2.2.8->3.0 took less then an hour an a poorly performing 56K modem. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 24 12:34:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from charon.ipass.net (charon.ipass.net [198.79.53.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4BF837B877 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 12:34:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rhh@ipass.net) Received: from stealth.ipass.net. (ppp-1-144.dialup.rdu.ipass.net [209.170.132.144]) by charon.ipass.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10719; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:34:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.ipass.net. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id PAA01769; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:37:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rhh) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:37:00 -0500 From: Randall Hopper To: Ken Marx Cc: Conrad Sabatier , freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lost interrupts in snd0 ? Message-ID: <20000324153700.B1672@ipass.net> References: <38DBC16D.1FB8D8A4@bigshed.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <38DBC16D.1FB8D8A4@bigshed.com>; from kmarx@bigshed.com on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 11:26:37AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ken Marx: |Hi, | |So, I just cvschlup'd down src-sys for 3.4-RELEASE and 3.4-STABLE, |and did diff's on i386/isa/sound dirs: | |1. 3.4-RELEASE vs.3.4-STABLE: only changes for pc98 |2. 3.2-RELEASE vs 3.4-RELEASE: a two line change to sb16_dsp.c for | 8-bit dma. | |Neither seems too promising in explaining the problems I've been |seeing. Of course there could be changes to other parts of the |kernel, such as dma stuff. Ok, thanks for the info. Randall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri Mar 24 19: 6:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97B737B78C for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:05:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA52674; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:04:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 22:04:12 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: Randall Hopper Cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lost interrupts in snd0 ? In-Reply-To: <20000324151532.A961@ipass.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Randall Hopper wrote: > Chuck Robey: > |Randall Hopper: > |> Also, I've never supped CVS so I'm a little leary of doing that. Is > |> this recommended for someone with a pixie-straw connection to the net > |> (56k modem)? Or just the fat pipe folks. > | > |Randall, the thinner your pipe, the more you want cvsup. I tell you right > |now, you will be completely amazed at how fast it goes. I have only a > |33.6, and I usually cvsup in less than 6 minutes. Hows that? > > Sounds tempting. Is this first pull this fast? That is, when pulling up > from -RELEASE to -STABLE, does it just pull -RELEASE -to- -STABLE deltas? Pulling a clean STABLE up will take time, the first time. I'm not absolutely certain about this, but I know that cvsup keeps private information around about what it's pulled (and you'll have to configure someplace, some directory, to store it in) so I *think* you won't benefit from having RELEASE there already, but I absolutely *guarantee* that, after using a month, you will completely and unreservedly agree with me. It's *well* worth the first long hour pulling stuff down. > > Thanks, > > Randall > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include C & Java programming, FreeBSD, chuckr@picnic.mat.net | electronics, communications, and signal processing. New Year's Resolution: I will not sphroxify gullible people into looking up fictitious words in the dictionary. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Mar 25 3:22:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from tantalum.btinternet.com (tantalum.btinternet.com [194.73.73.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A95B37B85F for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 03:22:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [213.1.73.194] (helo=parish.my.domain) by tantalum.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12YoWe-0006OT-00; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 11:14:40 +0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00825; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 11:22:23 GMT (envelope-from mark) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 11:22:23 +0000 From: Mark Ovens To: Chuck Robey Cc: Randall Hopper , freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lost interrupts in snd0 ? Message-ID: <20000325112223.D234@parish> References: <20000324151532.A961@ipass.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from chuckr@picnic.mat.net on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 10:04:12PM -0500 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 10:04:12PM -0500, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Randall Hopper wrote: > > > Chuck Robey: > > |Randall Hopper: > > |> Also, I've never supped CVS so I'm a little leary of doing that. Is > > |> this recommended for someone with a pixie-straw connection to the net > > |> (56k modem)? Or just the fat pipe folks. > > | > > |Randall, the thinner your pipe, the more you want cvsup. I tell you right > > |now, you will be completely amazed at how fast it goes. I have only a > > |33.6, and I usually cvsup in less than 6 minutes. Hows that? > > > > Sounds tempting. Is this first pull this fast? That is, when pulling up > > from -RELEASE to -STABLE, does it just pull -RELEASE -to- -STABLE deltas? > > Pulling a clean STABLE up will take time, the first time. I'm not > absolutely certain about this, but I know that cvsup keeps private > information around about what it's pulled (and you'll have to configure > someplace, some directory, to store it in) so I *think* you won't benefit > from having RELEASE there already, I may be misunderstanding you here, but if you already have a source tree, off the CD rather than cvsup for instance, you can build a checkouts file (the "private information" you mentioned) for your current source tree, which will mean that any files that should be deleted when you cvsup a new version *do*, in fact, get deleted. See John Polstra's (JP is the author of cvsup) excellent FAQ. There is a specific question about this very subject: http://www.polstra.com/projects/freeware/CVSup/faq.html#adopt HTH > but I absolutely *guarantee* that, > after using a month, you will completely and unreservedly agree with me. > > It's *well* worth the first long hour pulling stuff down. > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Randall > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Chuck Robey | Interests include C & Java programming, FreeBSD, > chuckr@picnic.mat.net | electronics, communications, and signal processing. > > New Year's Resolution: I will not sphroxify gullible people into looking up > fictitious words in the dictionary. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message -- Seminars, n.: From "semi" and "arse", hence, any half-assed discussion. ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Mar 25 7:47:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from foobar.franken.de (foobar.franken.de [194.94.249.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115BF37B8B4 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 07:47:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from logix@foobar.franken.de) Received: (from logix@localhost) by foobar.franken.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) id QAA23988; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 16:47:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <20000325164743.B23728@foobar.franken.de> Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 16:47:43 +0100 From: Harold Gutch To: Randall Hopper , Conrad Sabatier Cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, Ken Marx Subject: Re: Lost interrupts in snd0 ? References: <20000322225322.A3725@ipass.net> <20000323225155.A2570@ipass.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <20000323225155.A2570@ipass.net>; from Randall Hopper on Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 10:51:56PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 23, 2000 at 10:51:56PM -0500, Randall Hopper wrote: > Also, I've never supped CVS so I'm a little leary of doing that. Is this > recommended for someone with a pixie-straw connection to the net (56k modem)? > Or just the fat pipe folks. Yup, I do that (on a 33k6-connection). I use CVSup to synchronize the src, doc, www, ports and distrib modules of the CVS-repository, and the cronjob doing that needs about 10 minutes every night. Not that much, and it's great to be able to extract everything (at least back until '94) :). bye, Harold -- Someone should do a study to find out how many human life spans have been lost waiting for NT to reboot. Ken Deboy on Dec 24 1999 in comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sat Mar 25 19:19:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E575937B5E4 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 19:19:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lee@lcremeans.erols.com) Received: from lcremeans.erols.com ([216.164.87.29]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12Z3aM-0002TG-00 for multimedia@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:19:30 -0500 Received: (from lee@localhost) by lcremeans.erols.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA69842 for multimedia@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:19:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lee) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 22:19:24 -0500 From: Lee Cremeans To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: newpcm and the AWE32 Message-ID: <20000325221924.A69828@lcremeans.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i X-OS: FreeBSD 3.0-STABLE Organization: My room? Are you crazy? :) Sender: owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Seeing all the recent hubbub abut AWE32 synth support, and also the comment in 4.0-STABLE's LINT about "new-midi (not in the tree yet)", I'm wondering...how far along is new-midi, and is there a source snapshot around? I'd like to be able to work on AWE support, if it's not being worked on right now or if testers are needed. -lee -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lee Cremeans -- Manassas, VA, USA (WakkyMouse on WTnet) | | lcremeans@erols.com | http://wakky.dyndns.org/~lee | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message