From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 5 3: 2:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mbox.techno-link.com (weber.techno-link.com [212.36.0.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DE2C037B9AC for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 03:02:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ) Received: (qmail 14420 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2000 11:02:17 -0000 Received: from mozart.techno-link.com (root@212.36.0.240) by weber.techno-link.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2000 11:02:17 -0000 Received: from plovdiv.techno-link.com (plovdiv.techno-link.com [212.36.5.254]) by mozart.techno-link.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA24402 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 17:53:26 +0200 Received: from ntserver (unverified [212.36.5.254]) by ntserver.plovdiv.techno-link.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sat, 04 Mar 2000 17:50:28 +0200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 17:50:28 -0200 Subject: CMI8330 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: ivanvas@plovdiv.techno-link.com Reply-To: ivanvas@plovdiv.techno-link.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: ProLink WebMail 2.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anybody been able to able to make this card working? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 5 6:46:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sentry.granch.ru (sentry.granch.ru [212.20.5.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AA437BA2A for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 06:46:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shelton@sentry.granch.ru) Received: (from shelton@localhost) by sentry.granch.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA51115; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 20:45:50 +0600 (NOVT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 20:45:50 +0600 (NOVT) Organization: Granch Ltd. From: "Rashid N. Achilov" To: mlduke Subject: Re: Netscape Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, Peter Schwenk Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 04-Mar-00 mlduke wrote: > Thanks. That worked, and fast. The 2.2.x compat, for those who may need > this later is on the cdrom set, disk one: > /stand/sysinstall > Post Install Configuration > Install additional distribution sets > What about X11 a.out libraries? Do you have it? P.S. I don't know why Netscape make your browser in a.out so far...What can I contact him and explain, that FreeBSD netscape must be in ELF? -- With Best Regards. Rashid N. Achilov (RNA1-RIPE), Cert. ID: 28514, Granch Ltd. lead engineer e-mail: achilov@granch.ru, tel (383-2) 24-2363 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 5 13:29: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net (mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net [204.147.80.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F15437B995 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 13:28:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nitebirdz@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 55640 invoked by alias); 5 Mar 2000 21:28:52 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 55625 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2000 21:28:52 -0000 Received: from adsl102.mn.uswest.net (HELO toledo.uswest.net) (209.181.254.102) by mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 5 Mar 2000 21:28:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 15:28:45 -0600 (EST) From: Nitebirdz To: Heiko Recktenwald Cc: John Purser , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, Heiko Recktenwald wrote: > > Currently boycotting Amazon.com > > Why ? > http://linuxtoday.com/stories/17805.html --------- Nitebirdz --------- It's not too late to turn back from the "Gates" of Hell... Linux: the free 32-bit operating system, available NOW. Why waaaaaait for NT? (Brandon S. Allbery) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 5 13:43: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nscache2.x-treme.gr (mail1.x-treme.gr [212.120.196.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9663037B719 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 13:43:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (pat41.x-treme.gr [212.120.197.233]) by nscache2.x-treme.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3/IPNG-ADV-ANTISPAM-0.1) with SMTP id XAA08071 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 23:42:48 +0200 Received: (qmail 6753 invoked by uid 1001); 5 Mar 2000 14:44:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:44:57 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: matt@msg.ucsf.edu Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: best way to sync /usr/ports? Message-ID: <20000305164457.B6620@hades.hell.gr> Reply-To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr References: <20000303235156.A2902@mello.ucsf.edu> <20000304011045.B2902@mello.ucsf.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000304011045.B2902@mello.ucsf.edu>; from matt@msg.ucsf.edu on Sat, Mar 04, 2000 at 01:10:45AM -0800 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 62 45 D1 C9 26 F9 95 06 D6 21 2A C8 8C 16 C0 8E X-Phone-Number: +30-94-6203692, +30-93-2886457 X-Address: Theodorou Kirinaiou 61, 26334 Patra, Greece Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Mar 04, 2000 at 01:10:45AM -0800, matt@msg.ucsf.edu wrote: > > well i gave CVSup a shot. worked like a > charm. /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile just needed to be slightly > edited and i was good to go. Now that is the kind of messages that I'm happy to read in the list. People who post questions, and after a while, they post a message that says they've actually managed to solve the problem at hand. Including the way the problem was solved is not mandatory, but I always value it more, if it's included. Thank you, Matt. -- Giorgos Keramidas, < keramida @ ceid . upatras . gr > For my public PGP key: finger keramida@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr PGP fingerprint, phone and address in the headers of this message. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 5 13:43:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nscache2.x-treme.gr (mail1.x-treme.gr [212.120.196.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03AF837BB19 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 13:42:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (pat41.x-treme.gr [212.120.197.233]) by nscache2.x-treme.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3/IPNG-ADV-ANTISPAM-0.1) with SMTP id XAA08069 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 23:42:48 +0200 Received: (qmail 6721 invoked by uid 1001); 5 Mar 2000 14:42:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:42:19 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Jonathan Michaels Cc: andu , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Message-ID: <20000305164218.A6620@hades.hell.gr> Reply-To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr References: <200003040130.MAA28760@phoenix.welearn.com.au> <00030321165900.00428@ydl.andu> <20000304203823.A29952@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000304203823.A29952@phoenix.welearn.com.au>; from jon@welearn.com.au on Sat, Mar 04, 2000 at 08:38:25PM +1100 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 62 45 D1 C9 26 F9 95 06 D6 21 2A C8 8C 16 C0 8E X-Phone-Number: +30-94-6203692, +30-93-2886457 X-Address: Theodorou Kirinaiou 61, 26334 Patra, Greece Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Mar 04, 2000 at 08:38:25PM +1100, Jonathan Michaels wrote: > > a real newbie ask questions to reasure themselves that ttey are > not alone and where to find out about how to do what they are > doing. in essance how to learn about the topic at hand. > > freebsd-newbies is not for technical support, it is for the > learning of how to learn about freebsd and the relevent side > issues .. please read the charter. The way I see it, freebsd-newbies is a META-questions list, i.e. a list where one can ask "where should I ask this or that question?". It is also a list where people relatively new to Unix or FreeBSD can post their messages of success. Things like "hey guys, I finally managed to get my User-PPP going, by doing .. blah blah". -- Giorgos Keramidas, < keramida @ ceid . upatras . gr > For my public PGP key: finger keramida@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr PGP fingerprint, phone and address in the headers of this message. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 5 14:19:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE9437B824 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 14:19:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeanm@dupx.freeserve.co.uk) Received: from modem-45.aratan.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.120.173] helo=dupx.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12RjMx-0000sC-00; Sun, 05 Mar 2000 22:19:24 +0000 Message-ID: <38C2DDC7.20586D5D@dupx.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 22:21:01 +0000 From: Jean-Mark Dupoux X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ivanvas@plovdiv.techno-link.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CMI8330 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am not CERTAIN but i think this card does work with freebsd. I have one of the cards in a system where i tried to install the OS and i think it did get recognised properly in the setup routine. i cannot say any more because the install did not get completed (because my HDD did not like freebsd) may move the card to a diff. system myself soon, will keep u posted if i do ivanvas@plovdiv.techno-link.com wrote: > Has anybody been able to able to make this card working? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 5 14:41:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f175.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F29CA37BB8B for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 14:41:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 16536 invoked by uid 0); 5 Mar 2000 22:41:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20000305224102.16535.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.226.227.73 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 05 Mar 2000 14:41:02 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.226.227.73] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: cwasser@v-wave.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd,netbsd,openbsd Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 14:41:02 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ya... but is MacOS/X gonna be open-source???? You need to keep in mind that mac's out to make money!!! They know unix is the future and Steve Job's only goal is to have all the mac users sucking his dick as you PAY-PER-DOWNLOAD/Update of your OS off of an official Mac site. I hate mac and don't ever wanna use one :P > > If you head on over to apple.com and read up on MacOS/X you'll learn that >part of the OS is based on FreeBSD 3.2 :) > > I quote: > > http://www.apple.com/macosx/inside.html > > The system's kernel, which does the heavy lifting to support all those >rich applications, is based on Mach 3.0 from Carnegie-Mellon University >and FreeBSD 3.2 (derived from the University of California at Berkeley's >BSD 4.4-Lite), the most highly regarded core technologies from two of the >most widely acclaimed OS projects of the modern era. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 5 14:55:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns.apro.co.jp (name.apro.co.jp [210.141.99.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F3F37BB75; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 14:55:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from manami@po.apro.co.jp) Received: from nh (host1.manga509-unet.ocn.ne.jp [210.226.103.154]) by ns.apro.co.jp (8.8.8/3.6W) with SMTP id HAA06154; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:33:58 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <031601bf86f2$a8427b00$1401a8c0@nh> From: "manami" To: Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCTS1MPiU/JWwlcyVINktIaxsoQlNNGyRCMUdBfBsoQg==?= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 06:17:56 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://k.manami.tripod.com/ $B$r$4Mw2<$5$$!#4|4V8BDj!#(B To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 5 15: 5: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf24.de (mail.surf24.de [212.62.192.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9810F37BAF6 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 15:05:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de) Received: from duffner.surf24.de (surf224.surf24.de [212.62.193.224]) by mail.surf24.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA02211; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 00:05:01 +0100 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 23:36:55 +0000 (MEZ) From: Rainer M Duffner Subject: Re: freebsd,netbsd,openbsd To: Cosmic 665 Cc: james.kelly@tcs.wap.org, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000304163714.76208.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: enigma, http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~enigma X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat 04 Mar, Cosmic 665 wrote: > Here are the diferences; [snip] Of course this is more or less OT.... > c. Better security due to less popularity What do you want to say with that ? OpenBSD has a better default security because all the source in it has been carefully ("painfully" in the words of the actual reviewers) screened for possible security holes, race-conditions and memory-leaks. A very ambitious project, that took several years to complete. > d. has a better way of dealing with sound than FreeBSD (my > opinion) > cons: > a. No SMP support (yet) > b. Incompatibities with FreeBSD ports > c. Lacks all the ports of FreeBSD (less *ported* apps > specifially for OpenBSD) It doesn't lack all the ports. It has some, but it is (IMHO) clearly not designed to be the full-fancied multimedia-surround-box, linux is on the best way to get. Also, I expect most OpenBSD-ports to be at least superficially audited. I see it's role as an OS for firewalls, mail-gateways, secure webservers and general "last resort" hosts, that should under no circumstances be cracked and survive even a total network-compromise. This alone is IMHO a "raison d'etre" for OpenBSD. That doesn't mean that I can't see me using OpenBSD on my workstation. In fact, this would make a lot of sence, given the fact that often a lot of private information (key-rings etc.) is stored on the local HD. > d. OpenBSD is a 6 month old copy of NetBSD Theo deRaadt (the founder of the OpenBSD-project) would kill -9 you for that statement alone ;-) Really. I don't pretend to understand what led to the split of NetBSD and OpenBSD, but the impression I got is that these things are better not discussed in public. Perhaps they open the files in 70 years or so when everybody involved back then is dead... ;-) > NetBSD > pros: > a. Multi-platformed > b. more people run it than OpenBSD > c. I believe it is the *Prefered-OS* of BSD on macs > d. More support than OpenBSD for ports/apps > cons: > a. SMP support??? (is there any??) Not yet, but work is "underway"; see daemonnews. But I think that even ftp.freebsd.org still runs on a single Xeon, at least that's how I understood the wording from the greeting. > b. Incompatibilities with FreeBSD ports Yeah, that's why it's called "the FreeBSD ports-tree" ;-) > c. Open & NetBSD require more config than FreeBSD They don't have nice GUIs for fdisk, that is. At least OpenBSD hasn't. It's OK, if you don't want to split your HD between 3 OSs.... > d. Not as popular as FreeBSD but more popular than openbsd It's older and runs on more platforms, so the established user-base is larger, naturally. I had an early version of a port to a very exotic platform (ARM32) running, while having to do some programming courses. It worked quite OK (given the platform), but in the end I bought a PC and installed FreeBSD. > Now a lot of people will probably bitch about what I've said. But if you > search the net you will find it to be *totally-true*. You will probably end > up using NetBSD on your mac. Screw MacOS X!!! MacOS X is loosely based on NetBSD and FreeBSD, TTBOMK. Again, the archives of daemonnews are quite a good source for information on the MacOS/*BSD topic. cheers, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 5 15: 5: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf24.de (mail.surf24.de [212.62.192.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F19F37B6BE for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 15:05:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de) Received: from duffner.surf24.de (surf224.surf24.de [212.62.193.224]) by mail.surf24.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA02207; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 00:04:57 +0100 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:59:06 +0000 (MEZ) From: Rainer M Duffner Subject: Re: Netscape To: "Rashid N. Achilov" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: enigma, http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~enigma X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun 05 Mar, Rashid N. Achilov wrote: > > On 04-Mar-00 mlduke wrote: > > Thanks. That worked, and fast. The 2.2.x compat, for those who may need > > this later is on the cdrom set, disk one: > > /stand/sysinstall > > Post Install Configuration > > Install additional distribution sets > > > > What about X11 a.out libraries? Do you have it? > > P.S. I don't know why Netscape make your browser in a.out so far... > What can I contact him and explain, that FreeBSD netscape must be in ELF? Well, when you have the a.out compat-libs installed, it still works on ELF systems, and even older 2.2-System then can get it to work. There are a lot of old CDs floating around, I imagine. And thus if someone (e.g. in poor Russia or one of the even poorer states surrounding it) somehow gets hold of an old copy of, say 2.2.6 (which where "dumped" in masses some time a go), he can still download the very latest Netscape 4.72 and play with it. Netscape/AOL want to maximise their customer-base with minimal effort, that's probably all. _I_ am generous that there is still a FreeBSD-version at all, that gets updated regularily. The only pitty is that a standard user-minimum-install doesn't install the a.out-ld.so anymore (which I had to find out the hard way). cheers, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 5 15:39: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from fb02.eng00.mindspring.net (fb02.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.229.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3FBB37B998 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 15:38:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stuyman@confusion.net) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by fb02.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA16638; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 18:38:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from confusion.net (user-2ive6r4.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.27.100]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA08521; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 18:38:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38C2EF3E.963F68D3@confusion.net> Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 18:35:26 -0500 From: Laurence Berland Organization: B.R.A.T.T. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rainer M Duffner Cc: Cosmic 665 , james.kelly@tcs.wap.org, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd,netbsd,openbsd References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rainer M Duffner wrote: > > > > d. OpenBSD is a 6 month old copy of NetBSD > > Theo deRaadt (the founder of the OpenBSD-project) would kill -9 you for > that statement alone ;-) Really. > I don't pretend to understand what led to the split of NetBSD and > OpenBSD, but the impression I got is that these things are better not > discussed in public. > Perhaps they open the files in 70 years or so when everybody involved > back then is dead... ;-) Theo at least has opened his files...they make for some unique reading. The split is not oft talked about, and is probably best left in the past, but if you must http://zeus.theos.com/deraadt/ will give you some insight. Hope that helps, -- Laurence Berland, Stuyvesant HS Debate <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. http://stuy.debate.net icq #7434346 aol imer E1101 The above email Copyright (C) 2000 Laurence Berland All rights reserved To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 5 16:25:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from icecube.wap.org (icecube.wap.org [205.177.49.208]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B5FC37B8A7 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:25:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from james.kelly@tcs.wap.org) Received: from [205.177.49.16] (HELO tcs.wap.org) by icecube.wap.org (Stalker SMTP Server 1.7) with ESMTP id S.0000978236; Sun, 05 Mar 2000 19:25:09 -0500 Message-ID: <38C2FAE4.687A5140@tcs.wap.org> Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 19:25:07 -0500 From: "James M. Kelly" Reply-To: james.kelly@tcs.wap.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd,netbsd,openbsd References: <20000305224102.16535.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is an idiotic posting. Mac isn't out to make money....the company's name is Apple Computer moron. Secondly there is no evidence Apple will charge for system update downloads. They will charge for major version changes just like everybody else. May I remind you that many FreeBSD users pay a subscription fee... Go ahead and hate whatever you like...just so long as I get to use what I want, I really don't give a damn, but you might want to hesitate before showing the world what an sophmoric idiot you are. Jim Kelly Cosmic 665 wrote: > Ya... but is MacOS/X gonna be open-source???? You need to keep in mind > that mac's out to make money!!! They know unix is the future and Steve > Job's only goal is to have all the mac users sucking his dick as you > PAY-PER-DOWNLOAD/Update of your OS off of an official Mac site. I hate mac > and don't ever wanna use one :P > > > > > If you head on over to apple.com and read up on MacOS/X you'll learn that > >part of the OS is based on FreeBSD 3.2 :) > > > > I quote: > > > > http://www.apple.com/macosx/inside.html > > > > The system's kernel, which does the heavy lifting to support all those > >rich applications, is based on Mach 3.0 from Carnegie-Mellon University > >and FreeBSD 3.2 (derived from the University of California at Berkeley's > >BSD 4.4-Lite), the most highly regarded core technologies from two of the > >most widely acclaimed OS projects of the modern era. > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 5 17:21: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f38.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 44CAA37B7D5 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 17:21:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 94467 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2000 01:21:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20000306012105.94466.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.226.227.73 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 05 Mar 2000 17:21:05 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.226.227.73] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: james.kelly@tcs.wap.org, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd,netbsd,openbsd Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 17:21:05 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org how nice smart-ass!!! This is a FreeBSD mailing list not a I love Apple mailing list. Yeah there's no evidence apple plans on charging people per-download, but there most likely will be. This is a newbies mailing list, if you can't take what newbies have to say then shut up.... Maybe if you had a life and where "getting-some" from your wife you wouldn't take sophmoric responses so seriously... I mean.. after-all If I am such an Idiot then why take the time to reply to this email especially when you know you will get a smart-alec response???? ANYBODY FOR THAT MATTER.. This is way Off-topic anyways. A guy asked about differences and so I told him (and I told him this would happen) :P >This is an idiotic posting. Mac isn't out to make money....the company's >name >is Apple Computer moron. Secondly there is no evidence Apple will charge >for >system update downloads. They will charge for major version changes just >like >everybody else. May I remind you that many FreeBSD users pay a subscription >fee... >Go ahead and hate whatever you like...just so long as I get to use what I >want, >I really don't give a damn, but you might want to hesitate before showing >the >world what an sophmoric idiot you are. > >Jim Kelly > >Cosmic 665 wrote: > > > Ya... but is MacOS/X gonna be open-source???? You need to keep in mind > > that mac's out to make money!!! They know unix is the future and Steve > > Job's only goal is to have all the mac users sucking his dick as you > > PAY-PER-DOWNLOAD/Update of your OS off of an official Mac site. I hate >mac > > and don't ever wanna use one :P > > > > > > > > If you head on over to apple.com and read up on MacOS/X you'll learn >that > > >part of the OS is based on FreeBSD 3.2 :) > > > > > > I quote: > > > > > > http://www.apple.com/macosx/inside.html > > > > > > The system's kernel, which does the heavy lifting to support all >those > > >rich applications, is based on Mach 3.0 from Carnegie-Mellon University > > >and FreeBSD 3.2 (derived from the University of California at >Berkeley's > > >BSD 4.4-Lite), the most highly regarded core technologies from two of >the > > >most widely acclaimed OS projects of the modern era. > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 5 17:31: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f110.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 51DA237BBBD for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 17:31:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 25313 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2000 01:30:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20000306013059.25311.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.226.227.73 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 05 Mar 2000 17:30:59 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.226.227.73] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: jeanm@dupx.freeserve.co.uk, ivanvas@plovdiv.techno-link.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CMI8330 Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 17:30:59 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There's info in the LINT file (/sys/i386/conf/LINT). IT will require the pcm driver (which may cause trouble). check out www.freebsdrocks.com for more info (in the how-to section) on how to setup this card. Keep in mind that the card is windows sound system wss compatible (which is FreeBSD supported). If you get it working.. let me know. I have the same card (but I stuck a ESS card in instead of using my on-board sound) :P Follow the how-to's on freebsd rocks closely especially the one labeled "Reprise on PnP Soundcards". Good luck -Cosmic-665 >ivanvas@plovdiv.techno-link.com wrote: > > > Has anybody been able to able to make this card working? > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 5 17:41:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4369E37BA4F for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 17:41:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ddavid@ican.net) Received: from ican.net (HSE-Toronto-ppp89843.sympatico.ca [216.209.36.78]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03912 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 20:44:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38C30D2A.A970DCD1@ican.net> Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 20:43:06 -0500 From: David David X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13-1SMP-SMP i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would suggest, if you are truely interested in Tim O'Reilly' side in the Amazon.com situation, is to go here: http://www.ora.com/ask_tim rather than following the media "byte" version posted on other sites. David Besides, Tim's version is a far more interesting read... Nitebirdz wrote: > > On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, Heiko Recktenwald wrote: > > > > Currently boycotting Amazon.com > > > > Why ? > > > > http://linuxtoday.com/stories/17805.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 5 19:51:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from operamail.com (OperaMail.com [199.29.68.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874F937B76D for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 19:51:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bbarnes@operamail.com) X-WM-Posted-At: operamail.com; Sun, 5 Mar 00 22:51:06 -0500 X-WebMail-UserID: bbarnes Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 22:51:06 -0500 From: Bill Barnes To: "the_hermit665" , freebsd-newbies , james.kelly@tcs.wap.org X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00000001 Subject: RE: freebsd,netbsd,openbsd Message-ID: <38EA8E93@operamail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.61.01 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gentlemen (and there are ladies on the list), please! It seems that the most consistent characteristic of obscene mail is that it is sent under the mask of anonymity or a bizarre pseudonym. My recommended treatment of garbage and uncouth persons is to dismiss them as quickly as possible. They are not worth perusal, let alone a response. Bill Barnes > >Cosmic 665 wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------ This e-mail has been sent to you courtesy of OperaMail, a free web-based service from Opera Software, makers of the award-winning Web Browser - http://www.operasoftware.com ------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 6 6:15:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f187.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.187]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C151437BDB2 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 06:15:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 65799 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2000 14:15:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20000306141535.65798.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.226.227.73 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 06:15:35 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.226.227.73] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: bbarnes@operamail.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, james.kelly@tcs.wap.org Subject: RE: freebsd,netbsd,openbsd Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 06:15:35 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That's not true.. I have helped many people on this site. I will not put up with rude remarks from others. (on any list!!). I don't see you jumping down James Kelly's throat about his totally off-topic attack at me!!! Perhaps if you read my posting about the CMI8330 soundcard, you would know I do help people!!! I like this mailing list, but no one should post rude replies (to anyone) about how they are stupid just because they *think* a certain way (especially about a off-topic post of an operating system unsupported by FreeBSD)!! thank you Cosmic 665 P.S. I apologize to anyone who had to read any *off-topic* posts I have made. Except James Kelly > >Gentlemen (and there are ladies on the list), please! > >It seems that the most consistent characteristic of obscene mail is that it >is >sent under the mask of anonymity or a bizarre pseudonym. > >My recommended treatment of garbage and uncouth persons is to dismiss them >as >quickly as possible. They are not worth perusal, let alone a response. > >Bill Barnes > > > > > >Cosmic 665 wrote: > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 6 7:41:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web2202.mail.yahoo.com (web2202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6501837BCBF for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:40:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from charlesdillon@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 3275 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Mar 2000 15:40:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20000306154005.3274.qmail@web2202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.217.87.228] by web2202.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 07:40:05 PST Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:40:05 -0800 (PST) From: "Charles F. Dillon" Subject: Documentation To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This may be a redundant post. I'm not sure the original ever made it to freebsd.org. Due to such issues on this end, I have since had to return to my Yahoo account for my mailing lists(instead of my work machine/account) to ensure this does not happen again. Please bear with me. Is there documentation on updateing 3.3-RELEASE to 3.4-RELEASE via ISO-9660 CD images, and the steps that follow. (i.e. pgk_version(1) to update pkgs afterward). If so where can i find it. I was unable to find any on the FreeBSD site (Handbook etc.) thanks charles p.s. A CC from someone to at least verify that they received this via the list would be appreciated. ===== charlesdillon@yahoo.com Charles F. Dillon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 6 7:48:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phaedrus.intouchavl.com (phaedrus.intouchavl.com [208.137.6.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B6037BDC8 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:48:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pbaker@intouchavl.com) Received: from intouchavl.com (ws61.intouchavl.com [208.137.6.111]) by phaedrus.intouchavl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28102; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:33:15 GMT Message-ID: <38C3D3EA.659D1EDB@intouchavl.com> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:51:06 -0600 From: Patrick Baker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Charles F. Dillon" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Documentation References: <20000306154005.3274.qmail@web2202.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes, I received your email, so your email is working fine! As to your question, I do not know, I have to build a second machine before I can download it even. Have a great day! Patrick Baker "Charles F. Dillon" wrote: > This may be a redundant post. I'm not sure the original ever made it > to freebsd.org. Due to such issues on this end, I have since had to > return to my Yahoo account for my mailing lists(instead of my work > machine/account) to ensure this does not happen again. Please bear > with me. > > Is there documentation on updateing 3.3-RELEASE to 3.4-RELEASE via > ISO-9660 CD images, and the steps that follow. (i.e. pgk_version(1) > to update pkgs afterward). If so where can i find it. I was unable > to find any on the FreeBSD site (Handbook etc.) > > thanks > charles > > p.s. > A CC from someone to at least verify that they received this via the > list would be appreciated. > > ===== > charlesdillon@yahoo.com > Charles F. Dillon > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 6 9:19:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dnsp1.sce.com (dnsp1.sce.com [155.13.48.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45E437BE45 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:19:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from GAMORM@sce.com) Received: from D058661.sce.com (D058661.sce.com [155.13.167.39]) by dnsp1.sce.com (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/5.5.5) with ESMTP id JAA277608 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:19:12 -0800 Received: from go2ntswpr01.sce.com (D068976.sce.com [155.13.76.17]) by D058661.sce.com (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.7) with ESMTP id JAA44734 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:19:12 -0800 Received: from exchcon03.sce.com (unverified) by go2ntswpr01.sce.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:19:04 -0800 Received: by exchcon03.sce.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:19:04 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Gamo, Ryan M" To: "'newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: Boot problems Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:18:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here's the story. I thought I could get through an initial install. I'm putting FreeBSD on a "dummy" machine (Pentium 66 16mb 1gb) to test some things. Any three of the installs goes through fine. I try to boot and it gives me something like this; ERROR: Panic: Cannot mount root (6) Syncing disks... done And then it forces a reboot. It keeps on doing this. The hard drive seems fine and I cleared the kernel of anything that wasn't physically there. Someone help... any suggestions? Reinstall? With what options/configurations? Thanks in advance, Ryan M. Gamo Southern California Edison Information Technology IT Application Services - TDBU PAX: 51234 * GamoRM "KNOW YOUR ROLE" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 6 9:37:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from marlin.cabonet.net.mx (dns2.cabonet.net.mx [200.38.128.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79D337BC8C for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:37:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from iromo@cabonet.net.mx) Received: from cabonet.net.mx ([200.38.128.17]) by marlin.cabonet.net.mx (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28947 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:01:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from iromo@cabonet.net.mx) Message-ID: <38C3EB7B.3B70B9E0@cabonet.net.mx> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:31:40 -0700 From: "Dra. Iria Estrada" Reply-To: iromo@cabonet.net.mx Organization: cabonet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Hola !!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tengo el sistema operativo pero hay algunas cosas que desconozco en relacion a la instalacion de los programas . . . quisiera tener relacion con alguien que tenga un poco de experiencia para ver si me pudiera ayudar en este sentido mis programas que manejo son sendmail radius apache etc . . . pero quiero mejorar el servicio. De antemano gracias . . . Rafael Angulo Montoya Cabonet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 6 9:55:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cell-works.com (cell-works.com [216.112.245.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D71537BE72 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:55:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@cell-works.com) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by cell-works.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04815 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:00:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from john@cell-works.com) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:00:57 -0500 (EST) From: John Daniel To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: looking for a command equivalent to path Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I need to find a command(s) that are equivalent to the dos path command. I want to figure out what my path is now for commands and how to add/change the path. Is it in some conf file somewhere? I tried rc.conf. Anybody know where I can find this info? I looked at the Freebsd.org site but I didn't find it and I left my copy of the handbook at home. TIA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I hope that after I die, people will say of me : " That guy sure owed me a lot of money." -JH ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 6 10: 0: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f178.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E0A9737BF53 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:00:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 65464 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2000 18:00:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20000306180004.65463.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.226.227.73 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:00:04 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.226.227.73] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: GAMORM@sce.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot problems Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:00:04 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Did you try the "boot -s" string?? if your able to get to a prompt the take a look at you fstab file (vi /etc/fstab). You may have left out your "/" partition... :P -Cosmic-665 >Here's the story. I thought I could get through an initial install. I'm >putting FreeBSD on a "dummy" machine (Pentium 66 16mb 1gb) to test some >things. Any three of the installs goes through fine. I try to boot and it >gives me something like this; > >ERROR: Panic: Cannot mount root (6) > >Syncing disks... done > >And then it forces a reboot. It keeps on doing this. The hard drive seems >fine and I cleared the kernel of anything that wasn't physically there. > >Someone help... any suggestions? Reinstall? With what >options/configurations? > >Thanks in advance, > > >Ryan M. Gamo >Southern California Edison >Information Technology >IT Application Services - TDBU >PAX: 51234 * GamoRM >"KNOW YOUR ROLE" > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 6 10: 0:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f31.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A30D537BE98 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:00:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 79472 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2000 18:00:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20000306180031.79471.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.226.227.73 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:00:31 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.226.227.73] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot problems Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:00:31 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Did you try the "boot -s" string?? if your able to get to a prompt the take a look at you fstab file (vi /etc/fstab). You may have left out your "/" partition... :P -Cosmic-665 >Here's the story. I thought I could get through an initial install. I'm >putting FreeBSD on a "dummy" machine (Pentium 66 16mb 1gb) to test some >things. Any three of the installs goes through fine. I try to boot and it >gives me something like this; > >ERROR: Panic: Cannot mount root (6) > >Syncing disks... done > >And then it forces a reboot. It keeps on doing this. The hard drive seems >fine and I cleared the kernel of anything that wasn't physically there. > >Someone help... any suggestions? Reinstall? With what >options/configurations? > >Thanks in advance, > > >Ryan M. Gamo >Southern California Edison >Information Technology >IT Application Services - TDBU >PAX: 51234 * GamoRM >"KNOW YOUR ROLE" > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 6 10: 1:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (pau-amma.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5B537BE78 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:01:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.3) id KAA18323; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:01:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:01:31 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <200003061801.KAA18323@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, john@cell-works.com Subject: Re: looking for a command equivalent to path In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:00:57 -0500 (EST) >From: John Daniel >I need to find a command(s) that are equivalent to the dos path command. Not sure what any given DOS command does.... (Well, I think I still recall some DOS/360, but I doubt that's what you're referring to.) >I want to figure out what my path is now for commands and how to >add/change the path. Is it in some conf file somewhere? I tried rc.conf. Oh. That information, in UNIX, is stored on a per-process basis; it's in the environment variable named "PATH" (and csh and its derivatives copy a version of the information to th eshell "path" variable). I'd recommend a reading of _The UNIX Programming Environment_, by Kernighan and Pike. Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (888) 347-0197 FAX: (650) 372-5915 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 6 10:15: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f97.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5AABF37BD69 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:15:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 5903 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2000 18:15:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20000306181506.5902.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.226.227.73 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:15:06 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.226.227.73] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: john@cell-works.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: looking for a command equivalent to path Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:15:06 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It depends on the shell your runing too (I think). take a look at your .cshrc, .login .profile .xinitrc (for X) I think that's what you mean? they are located in your /root and / as well as the usr's directory. >I need to find a command(s) that are equivalent to the dos path command. > >I want to figure out what my path is now for commands and how to >add/change the path. Is it in some conf file somewhere? I tried rc.conf. > > >Anybody know where I can find this info? > I looked at the Freebsd.org site >but I didn't find it and I left my copy of the handbook at home. > > >TIA > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >"I hope that after I die, people will say of me : " That guy sure owed me >a lot of money." > >-JH > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 6 10:28: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4056F37BE29 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:28:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4876; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:28:18 -0800 Message-ID: <38C3F845.438D35B9@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:26:13 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd,netbsd,openbsd References: <20000305224102.16535.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Cosmic 665 wrote: > Ya... but is MacOS/X gonna be open-source???? You need to keep in mind > that mac's out to make money!!! [remainder of offensive post omitted] Of course Apple's out to make money. What did you expect? So is Microsoft, AOL, Sun. And so is UPS, Safeway and your corner flower shop. Can you give me just one example of a commercial business that is NOT out to make money? Are you volunteering your time for your employer (if you're even employable) or do you expect a wage? If you're not working for free, then you're no better than Apple, so shut up. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 6 10:34:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f152.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D45737C054 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:34:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 29222 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2000 18:34:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20000306183437.29221.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.226.227.73 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:34:37 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.226.227.73] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: charlesdillon@yahoo.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Documentation Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:34:37 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That is a very interesting Post (one I would like to know the answer to as well). But the problems I see are as follows: a. What kind of Device will you usr to burn the CD Images?? (IDE or SCSI) If so, is it supported by FreeBSD b. Is there any software for FreeBSD that will allow you to do that?? I know OpenBSD has a License on the *method* of making the CD image and so do others companies (I think). I remember reading that on the OpenBSD site somewhere. >>> THE *SEND-ANNOYING-REPLIES-TO-COSMIC-COMMENT* :P <<< c. Why not Burn a copy from a windoze box with all the software out there?? The only *Known* documentation I can think of may be the Linux-Howto stuff (But I know you don't want that :P). If you find out.. let me know :) >This may be a redundant post. I'm not sure the original ever made it >to freebsd.org. Due to such issues on this end, I have since had to >return to my Yahoo account for my mailing lists(instead of my work >machine/account) to ensure this does not happen again. Please bear >with me. > >Is there documentation on updateing 3.3-RELEASE to 3.4-RELEASE via >ISO-9660 CD images, and the steps that follow. (i.e. pgk_version(1) >to update pkgs afterward). If so where can i find it. I was unable >to find any on the FreeBSD site (Handbook etc.) > >thanks >charles > >p.s. >A CC from someone to at least verify that they received this via the >list would be appreciated. > >===== >charlesdillon@yahoo.com >Charles F. Dillon >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 6 10:40:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f60.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7772D37BF93 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:40:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 84114 invoked by uid 0); 6 Mar 2000 18:40:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20000306184013.84113.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.226.227.73 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:40:13 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.226.227.73] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: djohnson@acuson.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd,netbsd,openbsd Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:40:13 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org this thread is OFF-TOPIC ASSHOLE so end it!!!! NOW >Cosmic 665 wrote: > > > Ya... but is MacOS/X gonna be open-source???? You need to keep in mind > > that mac's out to make money!!! > >[remainder of offensive post omitted] > >Of course Apple's out to make money. What did you expect? So is Microsoft, >AOL, Sun. And >so is UPS, Safeway and your corner flower shop. Can you give me just one >example of a >commercial business that is NOT out to make money? Are you volunteering >your time for your >employer (if you're even employable) or do you expect a wage? If you're not >working for >free, then you're no better than Apple, so shut up. > >David > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 6 12:30:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pefletti.saunalahti.fi (mail.sci.fi [195.74.0.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F32837BC6F for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:30:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from juksi@iname.com) Received: from sjukebox (MMMCDXV.hdyn.saunalahti.fi [195.197.47.115]) by pefletti.saunalahti.fi (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA05080; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 22:30:19 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000306183437.29221.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 22:29:52 +0200 (EET) From: Jukka Simila To: charlesdillon@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Documentation Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 06-Mar-00 Cosmic 665 wrote: > That is a very interesting Post (one I would like to know the answer to as > well). But the problems I see are as follows: > > a. What kind of Device will you usr to burn the CD Images?? (IDE or SCSI) > If so, is it supported by FreeBSD > > b. Is there any software for FreeBSD that will allow you to do that?? I know > OpenBSD has a License on the *method* of making the CD image and so do > others companies (I think). I remember reading that on the OpenBSD site > somewhere. definitely, FreeBSD has software for that. search the mailing lists for additional information, as I don't have a cd-burner (-questions, -multimedia, perhaps some others) >>This may be a redundant post. I'm not sure the original ever made it >>to freebsd.org. Due to such issues on this end, I have since had to >>return to my Yahoo account for my mailing lists(instead of my work >>machine/account) to ensure this does not happen again. Please bear >>with me. Do you happen to be behind a dial-up line? I had a problem (a year ago) sending messages to freebsd.org because freebsd.org uses a spam filtering system (can't recall the URL of the company/whatever) that checks from a database if your IP address is dynamic. I mean the IP address of the sending smtp server. If this is the case, then you should use your ISP's outgoing-mailserver to send messages. They propably provide such service. I used my own box and it's smtp to send messages, and they got banned. When I corrected the mailserver to be my ISP's mailserver, and voila, the problem was history. @-`--,--`--- Jukka Simila To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 6 12:32:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from community.bendnet.com (community.bendnet.com [199.2.205.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF5A37BE48 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:32:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from www@community.bendnet.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by community.bendnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3.wh/BendNetMX) id MAA02021; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:32:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:32:15 -0800 (PST) From: Web User Message-Id: <200003062032.MAA02021@community.bendnet.com> To: Subject: You are invited to Bend.com! Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG: I participate in a Web community that you may enjoy. It's called Computer Talk. At Computer Talk, you can participate in the message board or you can use other features like creating your own to do list or setting up your own online calendar. To join our discussion, simply go to: http://www.bend.com/forums/face.php3?num=6 The Computer Talk forum is part of bend.com. If you've never used bend.com Forums before, you'll need to go through a quick registration (so you can post messages). It only takes a minute and it's free! Hope to see you there, Bend Community Web To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 6 12:56: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dnsp1.sce.com (dnsp1.sce.com [155.13.48.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564C937BD2E for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:55:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from GAMORM@sce.com) Received: from D058661.sce.com (D058661.sce.com [155.13.167.39]) by dnsp1.sce.com (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/5.5.5) with ESMTP id MAA206794 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:55:58 -0800 Received: from go2ntswpr01.sce.com (D068976.sce.com [155.13.76.17]) by D058661.sce.com (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.7) with ESMTP id MAA91460 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:55:58 -0800 Received: from exchcon03.sce.com (unverified) by go2ntswpr01.sce.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:54:58 -0800 Received: by exchcon03.sce.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:54:59 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Gamo, Ryan M" To: "'the_hermit665@hotmail.com'" , "'newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: Boot problems Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:54:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org So is everyone positive that I don't have to reinstall anything... this is just one of those stupid device conflicts/issues? > ---------- > From: Cosmic 665[SMTP:the_hermit665@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 9:59 AM > To: Gamo, Ryan M > Subject: Re: Boot problems > > > Did you try the "boot -s" string?? if your able to get to a prompt the > take > a look at you fstab file (vi /etc/fstab). You may have left out your "/" > partition... :P > > -Cosmic-665 > > > >Here's the story. I thought I could get through an initial install. I'm > >putting FreeBSD on a "dummy" machine (Pentium 66 16mb 1gb) to test some > >things. Any three of the installs goes through fine. I try to boot and it > >gives me something like this; > > > >ERROR: Panic: Cannot mount root (6) > > > >Syncing disks... done > > > >And then it forces a reboot. It keeps on doing this. The hard drive seems > >fine and I cleared the kernel of anything that wasn't physically there. > > > >Someone help... any suggestions? Reinstall? With what > >options/configurations? > > > >Thanks in advance, > > > > > >Ryan M. Gamo > >Southern California Edison > >Information Technology > >IT Application Services - TDBU > >PAX: 51234 * GamoRM > >"KNOW YOUR ROLE" > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 6 13:14:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf24.de (mail.surf24.de [212.62.192.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B60C37BF72 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:14:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de) Received: from duffner.surf24.de (surf247.surf24.de [212.62.193.247]) by mail.surf24.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA05469; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 22:14:37 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 21:32:00 +0000 (MEZ) From: Rainer M Duffner Subject: Re: looking for a command equivalent to path To: John Daniel Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: enigma, http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~enigma X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon 06 Mar, John Daniel wrote: > > I need to find a command(s) that are equivalent to the dos path command. > > I want to figure out what my path is now for commands and how to > add/change the path. Is it in some conf file somewhere? I tried rc.conf. You can see this and a lot more via the printenv command > > Anybody know where I can find this info? No ;-) Honestly, I don't know where I got it from. You can also type on the shell: echo $PATH cheers, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 6 13:14:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf24.de (mail.surf24.de [212.62.192.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB3F37C065 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:14:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de) Received: from duffner.surf24.de (surf247.surf24.de [212.62.193.247]) by mail.surf24.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA05473; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 22:14:39 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 21:36:59 +0000 (MEZ) From: Rainer M Duffner Subject: Re: freebsd,netbsd,openbsd To: Cosmic 665 Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000306184013.84113.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: enigma, http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~enigma X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon 06 Mar, Cosmic 665 wrote: > > > this thread is OFF-TOPIC ASSHOLE so end it!!!! NOW Things like that might get your IP and account banned from all FreeBSD-lists. I'm sure you're already on a "watch"-list ... cheers, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 6 13:48:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web2204.mail.yahoo.com (web2204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F2E237B9D0 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:47:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from charlesdillon@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 6715 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Mar 2000 21:46:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000306214649.6714.qmail@web2204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.217.87.228] by web2204.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 13:46:49 PST Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:46:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Charles F. Dillon" Subject: Re: Documentation To: Jukka Simila Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --- Jukka Simila wrote: [snip CD drive comments :: See post in this thread thread] [snip list retrieval problem] My home machine works fine via masquerading. This was delivery/post to/from a work machine via intranet firewall etc. (I haven't had much time to tinker at home so I was going to get the lists at work) It may be a mailer or some such issue, but it is irrelevant now. I tried many things, but I don't think the problem was within my control to configure, I am an end user at work. :l thank you though. > Do you happen to be behind a dial-up line? I had a problem (a year > ago) sending > messages to freebsd.org because freebsd.org uses a spam filtering > system (can't > recall the URL of the company/whatever) that checks from a database > if your IP > address is dynamic. I mean the IP address of the sending smtp > server. > > If this is the case, then you should use your ISP's > outgoing-mailserver to send > messages. They propably provide such service. > I used my own box and it's smtp to send messages, and they got > banned. When I > corrected the mailserver to be my ISP's mailserver, and voila, the > problem was > history. > > @-`--,--`--- > Jukka Simila > ===== charlesdillon@yahoo.com Charles F. Dillon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 7 1:29:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f163.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8590E37BAE2 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:29:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 99702 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2000 09:29:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20000307092930.99701.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.226.227.73 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Mar 2000 01:29:30 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.226.227.73] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: GAMORM@sce.com, newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Boot problems Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 01:29:30 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >So is everyone positive that I don't have to reinstall anything... this is >just one of those stupid device conflicts/issues? what do you mean by this??? have you gone into single user mode (boot -s) and checked to see if everything looks good in you fstab file?? It is possible there could be an H/W issue.. look for it in your kernel startup. Your probably using a IDE drive (wd0 device). Look for errors upon booting up. Also.. email to the list all of your system specs: video card Devices in the box processor type (ie. cyrix, amd, intel) Hard Drive (type) etc.. Also, if you haven't already, delete any devices in your "Default" kernel you don't need (like scsi controllers.. etc.). things should work out... If all else fails.. RE-INSTALL :) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 7 3: 8: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pyyhe.saunalahti.fi (mail.sci.fi [195.74.0.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7AF37BF88 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 03:07:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from juksi@iname.com) Received: from sjukebox (MMXXXIV.hdyn.saunalahti.fi [195.197.42.234]) by pyyhe.saunalahti.fi (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA02883; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:19:06 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000307092930.99701.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 13:07:28 +0200 (EET) From: Jukka Simila To: GAMORM@sce.com Subject: RE: Boot problems Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, Cosmic 665 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 07-Mar-00 Cosmic 665 wrote: >>So is everyone positive that I don't have to reinstall anything... this is >>just one of those stupid device conflicts/issues? > > what do you mean by this??? have you gone into single user mode (boot -s) > and checked to see if everything looks good in you fstab file?? It is > possible there could be an H/W issue.. look for it in your kernel startup. > Your probably using a IDE drive (wd0 device). Look for errors upon booting > up. Also.. email to the list all of your system specs: > > video card > Devices in the box > processor type (ie. cyrix, amd, intel) > Hard Drive (type) > etc.. > > Also, if you haven't already, delete any devices in your "Default" kernel > you don't need (like scsi controllers.. etc.). things should work out... If > all else fails.. RE-INSTALL :) Correction: please, do not send all this info to -newbies, instead, send it to -questions and ask a question there. @-`--,--`--- Jukka Simila To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 7 6:47:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from msk1.mail.ru (mx1.mail.ru [194.67.23.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E1B37C07B for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 06:47:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from i-c-h@mail.ru) Received: from alcatraz85.wohnheim.uni-kl.de ([131.246.107.94] helo=mail.ru) by msk1.mail.ru with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #116) id 12SLL1-000Gok-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2000 17:51:56 +0300 Message-ID: <38C51624.1802C620@mail.ru> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 15:45:56 +0100 From: Dominic Hillenbrand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Hi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi I downloaded FreeBSD 3.4 iso file from ftp://ftp.tu-clausthal.de/pub/FreeBSD/CD-ROM-images/ but it won't find my cd-rom if i want to install it. i've been using linux before so i am not totally new with unix like systems. thank you very much for your help! cheers dominic System: (1995 rather old computer ;-) Pentium 100 MHZ Asus Board 48 MB RAM MATROX PCI GRAPHIC CARD 2 MB NE 2000 ISA ETHERNET CARD ADAPTEC PCI 2940 SCSI CONTROLLER SCSI 2 GB IBM HD SCSI 699 MB QUANTUM ATAPI MITSUMI CD-ROM 32x Floppy Onboard PCI-IDE CMD 640 Controller To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 7 10:40:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hme0.mailrouter04.sprint.ca (itac-sun-13.sprint.ca [207.107.250.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4295837C160 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 10:40:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from leandro@capnasty.org) Received: from inverness.capnasty.org (spc-isp-tor-58-20-85.sprint.ca [149.99.118.85]) by itac-sun-13.sprint.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA25985 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 10:27:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003041527.KAA25985@itac-sun-13.sprint.ca> From: "Leandro Asnaghi-Nicastro" Organization: Capital of Nasty Electronic Magazine To: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 10:27:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: tty0 question X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks, I've recently installed FreeBSD 3.2. I haven't done much to it, other than install it, and configure it to work on my local LAN (not connected to the Internet, as I'm in the process of configuring it and securing it). This is the only problem I have: after a few days, tty0 crashes. I can still hit ALT-F2 and login, but I can't do anything on the main console. Suggestions? Regards leandro --- Leandro Asnaghi-Nicastro (LA672) Capital of Nasty Electronic Magazine - ISSN 1482-0471 Editor in Chief - http://www.capnasty.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 7 11:54:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web2206.mail.yahoo.com (web2206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 799F837BB7F for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:54:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from charlesdillon@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20000307195417.4999.qmail@web2206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.217.87.228] by web2206.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 07 Mar 2000 11:54:17 PST Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:54:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Charles F. Dillon" Subject: Re: Hi To: Dominic Hillenbrand Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The ISO-9660 Image that you downloaded is meant to be "burned" to a CD with a CD-R(ecordable) Drive. That CD is then used as Installation media. I did not see a CD-R listed in your hardware list, and you said "it" would not find your CD-ROM, so I am assuming you have not done this. Without more information, or a clearer idea of what your tried, any other advice would be speculative. (i.e. Did you burn the CD an boot to it and sysinstall did find your CD drive?) I have a feeling I may have missed this one entirely. :) cfd --- Dominic Hillenbrand wrote: > Hi > I downloaded FreeBSD 3.4 iso file > from > ftp://ftp.tu-clausthal.de/pub/FreeBSD/CD-ROM-images/ > but it won't find my cd-rom if i want to install it. > i've been using linux before so i am not totally new > with unix like systems. > > thank you very much for your help! > > cheers > dominic > > System: > (1995 rather old computer ;-) > Pentium 100 MHZ > Asus Board > 48 MB RAM > MATROX PCI GRAPHIC CARD 2 MB > NE 2000 ISA ETHERNET CARD > ADAPTEC PCI 2940 SCSI CONTROLLER > SCSI 2 GB IBM HD > SCSI 699 MB QUANTUM > ATAPI MITSUMI CD-ROM 32x > Floppy > Onboard PCI-IDE CMD 640 Controller > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > ===== charlesdillon@yahoo.com Charles F. Dillon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 7 12:31:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (brisba6.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.66.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408F337C272 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 12:31:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA07924; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 06:31:08 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "ROADRUNNER" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdAR7922; Wed Mar 8 06:31:06 2000 Message-ID: <022301bf8874$0c612460$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> From: "Doug Young" To: "Charles F. Dillon" , "Dominic Hillenbrand" Cc: References: <20000307195417.4999.qmail@web2206.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Hi Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 06:30:55 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dominic's posting is a bit vague, but it sounds quite similar to the problem I encountered a week ago ..... assuming it is in fact the same thing, the solution is far from obvious, and is something I intend to post to the docs list shortly. I believe the problem is the rather terse description provided in the ReadMe of how to use the ISO image to make a usable CD. If one simply follows instructions to_the_letter the result is a CD containing only the original ISO image, and once the system starts looking for files on the CD it responds with a message to the effect that .... "can't find the CD". The fact is that the ONLY CD copy application with a halfway intelligible explanation of burning the ISO image to CD is Adaptec Easy CD Creator, and its only compatible with Win9x & WinNT4 (not with Win2000 or any *nix). Now before someone starts jumping up & down about CDRWIN / various unix CD copy applications etc ... they may well be capable of doing the job, but without an explicit explanation they are totally useless to the average newbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles F. Dillon" To: "Dominic Hillenbrand" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 5:54 AM Subject: Re: Hi > The ISO-9660 Image that you downloaded is meant to be "burned" to a > CD with a CD-R(ecordable) Drive. That CD is then used as > Installation media. I did not see a CD-R listed in your hardware > list, and you said "it" would not find your CD-ROM, so I am assuming > you have not done this. Without more information, or a clearer idea > of what your tried, any other advice would be speculative. (i.e. Did > you burn the CD an boot to it and sysinstall did find your CD drive?) > > I have a feeling I may have missed this one entirely. :) > > cfd > > --- Dominic Hillenbrand wrote: > > Hi > > I downloaded FreeBSD 3.4 iso file > > from > > ftp://ftp.tu-clausthal.de/pub/FreeBSD/CD-ROM-images/ > > but it won't find my cd-rom if i want to install it. > > i've been using linux before so i am not totally new > > with unix like systems. > > > > thank you very much for your help! > > > > cheers > > dominic > > > > System: > > (1995 rather old computer ;-) > > Pentium 100 MHZ > > Asus Board > > 48 MB RAM > > MATROX PCI GRAPHIC CARD 2 MB > > NE 2000 ISA ETHERNET CARD > > ADAPTEC PCI 2940 SCSI CONTROLLER > > SCSI 2 GB IBM HD > > SCSI 699 MB QUANTUM > > ATAPI MITSUMI CD-ROM 32x > > Floppy > > Onboard PCI-IDE CMD 640 Controller > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > ===== > charlesdillon@yahoo.com > Charles F. Dillon > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 7 13:32:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com (zagnut.hotpop.com [204.57.55.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A27837BE2C for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:32:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kamidesu@hotpop.com) Received: from default (unknown [216.72.93.36]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 905EB639E9 for ; Tue, 07 Mar 2000 16:32:05 -0500 (EST) From: m To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hola !!! In-Reply-To: <38C3EB7B.3B70B9E0@cabonet.net.mx> References: <38C3EB7B.3B70B9E0@cabonet.net.mx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.25.07 Message-Id: <20000307213205.905EB639E9@zagnut.hotpop.com> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 16:32:05 -0500 (EST) X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Tengo el sistema operativo pero hay algunas cosas que desconozco en > relacion a la instalacion de los programas . . . quisiera tener My spanish is not good enough ... kidding, it is. He's asking how to install programs, wish I'd know. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 7 13:38:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from msk1.mail.ru (mx1.mail.ru [194.67.23.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389B037BE05 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:38:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from i-c-h@mail.ru) Received: from p3e9e9f52.dip.t-dialin.net ([62.158.159.82] helo=mail.ru) by msk1.mail.ru with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #116) id 12SRkm-0000mo-00; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 00:42:57 +0300 Message-ID: <38C576D8.CDE0A263@mail.ru> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 22:38:32 +0100 From: Dominic X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrzej Szydlo Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hi References: <38C51624.1802C620@mail.ru> <20000307172342.A14262@gv.edu.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Your CD-reader must be set to Master and connected to the second IDE. > FreeBSD only installs form secondary master IDE CD-ROM. > > Andrzej Even if you boot from two floppy disks? (I cannot boot from cd-rom, bios doesn't support it, it's too old) I mean I created two boot disks and used them to get the install process started. Does it really matter. I actually connected my cd-rom to the primary IDE channel because there aren't any ide hardisks. (i think it's master) I'll give it a try tomorrow! Hope to get it finally installed. thank you very much for all the emails from freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org P.S. I didn't even know that it is a mailling list. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 7 17:58:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f206.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DD53A37B5C2 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:58:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 38177 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2000 01:59:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20000308015924.38176.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.226.227.73 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 07 Mar 2000 17:59:24 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.226.227.73] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: kamidesu@hotpop.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hola !!! Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 17:59:24 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org when I get to work... there's a program in a chat room called "!blur". I can translate how english to spanish and tell him what's going on. All I need is the origional thread.. someone please re-email it to me.. I lost it :( > > Tengo el sistema operativo pero hay algunas cosas que desconozco en > > relacion a la instalacion de los programas . . . quisiera tener > > My spanish is not good enough ... kidding, it is. He's asking how to >install programs, wish I'd know. > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 7 23:31: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (lsmls01.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B591237B588 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 23:31:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cwalker@computech-ca.com) Received: from computech-ca.com (we-24-160-39-21.we.mediaone.net [24.160.39.21]) by lsmls01.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA27303 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 23:31:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38C6012E.E1A8ADA5@computech-ca.com> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 23:28:47 -0800 From: Caleb Walker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello my name is Caleb Walker I am trying to learn the UNIX operating system right now. I am a Windows NT Network Engineer in California. I am very interested in helping others and being involved in helping forward FreeBSD UNIX. Please let me know what I can do. Caleb Walker, MCSE 209-823-4553 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 8 8:22:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com (zagnut.hotpop.com [204.57.55.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A4E37B580 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:22:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kamidesu@hotpop.com) Received: from default (unknown [216.72.93.42]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 389E7639E9 for ; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 11:21:50 -0500 (EST) From: m To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: looking for a command equivalent to path In-Reply-To: <20000306181506.5902.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <20000306181506.5902.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.25.07 Message-Id: <20000308162150.389E7639E9@zagnut.hotpop.com> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 11:21:50 -0500 (EST) X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >I want to figure out what my path is now for commands and how to > >add/change the path. Is it in some conf file somewhere? I tried rc.conf. path for commands is in one of the config files. a equivalent PATH command from the shell (like LS, SU, et al) for FreeBSD? I don't know, you could use an alias: if you want to access commands in /usr/libs/examples/ alias c/ /usr/libs/examples/ right? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 8 10:46: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE1C37B647 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:45:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4F92; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:46:12 -0800 Message-ID: <38C69F74.840D05B2@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 10:44:04 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Caleb Walker Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD References: <38C6012E.E1A8ADA5@computech-ca.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Caleb Walker wrote: > > Hello my name is Caleb Walker I am trying to learn the UNIX operating > system right now. I am a Windows NT Network Engineer in California. I > am very interested in helping others and being involved in helping > forward FreeBSD UNIX. Please let me know what I can do. Step One: Learn Unix. Notice that I didn't say "learn FreeBSD". Picking up a book on FreeBSD is great, but a book on just plain Unix is even better. You never know when the next computer you have to work on will have IRIX, Solaris, Linux or something else. You're in luck, though, because the various BSDs are closer to the atypical Unix than some other unices. Step Two: Don't fear the command line. You don't have to love it, but don't try to avoid it. You will learn much more about Unix by fiddling with it, than by watching some GUI front end do the fiddling for you. Learn vi. Learn sh and csh. Then use bash or tcsh. Step Three: Now that you've learned FreeBSD, don't get too gung-ho over it. Don't get into fights with Linux users (even if they start it). FreeBSD does not have the popularity of Linux in part because it was too low-key about itself. But taking the opposite extreme won't help either. Some of the rabid Linux advocates do more harm than good. When people ask you have FreeBSD, don't gloss over the rough spots and don't exaggerate the easy parts. Finally, don't make fun of your former MSCE colleages, or any non-Unix user. Hope some of this helps, David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 8 10:54:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from boris.netgate.net (boris.netgate.net [204.145.147.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03EB737C1F6 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:54:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wellsian@caffeine.com) Received: from localhost (wellsian@localhost) by boris.netgate.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA33482; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:52:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wellsian@caffeine.com) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:52:28 -0800 (PST) From: wellsian X-Sender: wellsian@boris.netgate.net To: David Johnson Cc: Caleb Walker , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <38C69F74.840D05B2@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Step four: Wrap lines at ~72 characters. ;) Sorry, couldn't resist. On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, David Johnson wrote: > Step One: Learn Unix. Notice that I didn't say "learn FreeBSD". > Picking up a book on FreeBSD is great, but a book on just plain Unix > is even better. You never know when the next computer you have to work > on will have IRIX, Solaris, Linux or something else. You're in luck, > though, because the various BSDs are closer to the atypical Unix than > some other unices. > > Step Two: Don't fear the command line. You don't have to love it, but > don't try to avoid it. You will learn much more about Unix by fiddling > with it, than by watching some GUI front end do the fiddling for you. > Learn vi. Learn sh and csh. Then use bash or tcsh. > > Step Three: Now that you've learned FreeBSD, don't get too gung-ho > over it. Don't get into fights with Linux users (even if they start > it). FreeBSD does not have the popularity of Linux in part because it > was too low-key about itself. But taking the opposite extreme won't > help either. Some of the rabid Linux advocates do more harm than good. > When people ask you have FreeBSD, don't gloss over the rough spots and > don't exaggerate the easy parts. Finally, don't make fun of your > former MSCE colleages, or any non-Unix user. > > Hope some of this helps, > > David > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 8 11: 7:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F7637B6A0 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:07:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA5D78; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:07:22 -0800 Message-ID: <38C6A46B.F9D18031@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 11:05:15 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wellsian Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org wellsian wrote: > Step four: Wrap lines at ~72 characters. Fixed! Sorry about that. Hazards of a large monitor. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 8 12: 4:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com (zagnut.hotpop.com [204.57.55.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D3A437C265 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:04:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kamidesu@hotpop.com) Received: from default (unknown [216.72.93.15]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 228FE639DB for ; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 15:03:51 -0500 (EST) From: m To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: You are invited to Bend.com! In-Reply-To: <200003062032.MAA02021@community.bendnet.com> References: <200003062032.MAA02021@community.bendnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.25.07 Message-Id: <20000308200351.228FE639DB@zagnut.hotpop.com> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 15:03:51 -0500 (EST) X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Web User wisely said: > > Hi freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG: > > I participate in a Web community that you may enjoy. It's called Computer > Talk. Of course I'm heading there to search for an Abuse address ... who in Freebsd.org is tracking this ... thing? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 8 12:25: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hermes.belo.com (hermes.belo.com [207.238.232.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87F237B688 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:25:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from TCohrs@krem.com) Received: from smtp.corp.belo.com (thor.belo.com [207.238.232.190]) by hermes.belo.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06437 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:25:02 -0600 Received: from bbc.corp.belo.com (gwweb.corp.belo.com [147.136.136.24]) by smtp.corp.belo.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA10623 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:25:01 -0600 Received: from x-Message_Server by bbc.corp.belo.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 14:24:30 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.2.1 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 14:24:00 -0600 From: "Tom Cohrs" To: Subject: Best Bookk? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, my name is Tom Cohrs and I work with a variety of unix systems, = including FreeBSD, IRIX, HP-RT, SCO, and Linux. Perhaps I should say I = try to work with them. I know some, but have a lot to learn. Can anyone = recommend a good command reference book. Somthing along the lines of, if = I could only have one book it would be . . . Thank You Tom C. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 8 12:33:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731F637B626 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:33:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA14362; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 06:32:39 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle.apana.org.au(203.3.126.130), claiming to be "ORACLE" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdc14360; Thu Mar 9 06:32:31 2000 Message-ID: <002101bf893e$485ceb50$827e03cb@ORACLE> From: "Doug Young" To: "David Johnson" , "Caleb Walker" Cc: References: <38C6012E.E1A8ADA5@computech-ca.com> <38C69F74.840D05B2@acuson.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 06:38:35 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well said David .... I think many of us former linux users appreciate the lack of fanatacism which typifies so many of the linux faithful :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Johnson" To: "Caleb Walker" Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 4:44 AM Subject: Re: FreeBSD > Caleb Walker wrote: > > > > Hello my name is Caleb Walker I am trying to learn the UNIX operating > > system right now. I am a Windows NT Network Engineer in California. I > > am very interested in helping others and being involved in helping > > forward FreeBSD UNIX. Please let me know what I can do. > > Step One: Learn Unix. Notice that I didn't say "learn FreeBSD". Picking up a book on > FreeBSD is great, but a book on just plain Unix is even better. You never know when the > next computer you have to work on will have IRIX, Solaris, Linux or something else. You're > in luck, though, because the various BSDs are closer to the atypical Unix than some other > unices. > > Step Two: Don't fear the command line. You don't have to love it, but don't try to avoid > it. You will learn much more about Unix by fiddling with it, than by watching some GUI > front end do the fiddling for you. Learn vi. Learn sh and csh. Then use bash or tcsh. > > Step Three: Now that you've learned FreeBSD, don't get too gung-ho over it. Don't get into > fights with Linux users (even if they start it). FreeBSD does not have the popularity of > Linux in part because it was too low-key about itself. But taking the opposite extreme > won't help either. Some of the rabid Linux advocates do more harm than good. When people > ask you have FreeBSD, don't gloss over the rough spots and don't exaggerate the easy > parts. Finally, don't make fun of your former MSCE colleages, or any non-Unix user. > > Hope some of this helps, > > David > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 8 12:38:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A126437B737 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:38:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrs@enteract.com) Received: from shell-3.enteract.com (jrs@shell-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.42]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA65764; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:38:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jrs@enteract.com) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:38:21 -0600 (CST) From: John Sconiers To: Tom Cohrs Cc: Freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Best Bookk? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hello, my name is Tom Cohrs and I work with a variety of unix systems, including FreeBSD, IRIX, HP-RT, SCO, and Linux. > Perhaps I should say I try to work with them. I know some, but have a > lot to learn. Can anyone recommend a good command reference book. > Somthing along the lines of, if I could only > have one book it would be . . . Essential System administration by ora. http://www.ora.com...must have To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 8 12:40: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f5.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E5B437B64F for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:39:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 73842 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2000 20:39:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20000308203956.73841.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.226.227.73 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 12:39:56 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.226.227.73] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: TCohrs@krem.com, Freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Best Bookk? Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 12:39:56 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Check out "Unix In a nutshell" : http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565924274/o/qid=952547897/sr=2-1/104-2578282-9276419 For someone In your shoes... This book is perfect. Keep in mind there will be diferences between command syntax from BSD vs. System V. >Hello, my name is Tom Cohrs and I work with a variety of unix systems, >including FreeBSD, IRIX, HP-RT, SCO, and Linux. Perhaps I should say I >try to work with them. I know some, but have a lot to learn. Can anyone >recommend a good command reference book. Somthing along the lines of, if I >could only have one book it would be . . . > >Thank You >Tom C. > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 8 15:32:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nscache2.x-treme.gr (mail1.x-treme.gr [212.120.196.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B624437B568 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:32:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (pat34.x-treme.gr [212.120.197.226]) by nscache2.x-treme.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3/IPNG-ADV-ANTISPAM-0.1) with SMTP id BAA00326 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 01:32:08 +0200 Received: (qmail 3135 invoked by uid 1001); 8 Mar 2000 14:58:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:58:25 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Dominic Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hi Message-ID: <20000308165825.B2947@hades.hell.gr> Reply-To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr References: <38C51624.1802C620@mail.ru> <20000307172342.A14262@gv.edu.pl> <38C576D8.CDE0A263@mail.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <38C576D8.CDE0A263@mail.ru>; from I-C-H@mail.ru on Tue, Mar 07, 2000 at 10:38:32PM +0100 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 62 45 D1 C9 26 F9 95 06 D6 21 2A C8 8C 16 C0 8E X-Phone-Number: +30-94-6203692, +30-93-2886457 X-Address: Theodorou Kirinaiou 61, 26334 Patra, Greece Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 07, 2000 at 10:38:32PM +0100, Dominic wrote: > > I'll give it a try tomorrow! Hope to get it finally installed. Dominic, being out to a party last night, I missed the start of the thread, but... What you have to do is burn the .iso image to a CD, using 'image' mode or whatever the program you're using calls it. When the CD is burned, you should not see on the disk you prepared only one file called SOMETHING.iso, but a bunch of other files. These are the contents of the disk. If you want to see what the image contains, you can even use your Linux's loop device (if it's compiled into your kernel, or as a module), and mount the image while your linux has been booted. Try using: # mount /where/the/iso/image/is/stored.iso /mnt -o loop=/dev/loop0 and then browse /mnt to see what files the ISO-image contains. As far as installation is concerned, if you think that the image you've burned is not bootable, or it does not boot properly for any other reason [it seems I can recall some messages about 3.4-X ISO's having problems at booting], you can prepare a pair of boot disks, and use them for starting the installation. Don't worry about your CDROM, since I have a Mitsumi 48x and it works quite nicely with FreeBSD. Once you get your installation to boot [from the CD-burned ISO, or from boot disks, whatever] you should have no problems with FreeBSD "seeing" your cdrom device :) Ciao. -- Giorgos Keramidas, < keramida @ ceid . upatras . gr > For my public PGP key: finger keramida@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr PGP fingerprint, phone and address in the headers of this message. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 8 15:35:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from relay4.hawaii.edu (relay4.hawaii.edu [128.171.94.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EDE2037B6D4 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 15:35:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rohrer@hawaii.edu) Received: from uhunix2.its.hawaii.edu ([128.171.44.7]) by relay4.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <130198(3)>; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:35:47 -1000 Received: from localhost by uhunix2.its.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <183009(3)>; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:35:43 -1000 From: Matt Rohrer To: John Sconiers Cc: Tom Cohrs , Freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Best Bookk? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:35:46 -1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just thought I'd add my $.02 - For an exhaustive command reference book, UNIX Power Tools (also by ORA). On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, John Sconiers wrote: > > Hello, my name is Tom Cohrs and I work with a variety of unix systems, including FreeBSD, IRIX, HP-RT, SCO, and Linux. > > Perhaps I should say I try to work with them. I know some, but have a > > lot to learn. Can anyone recommend a good command reference book. > > Somthing along the lines of, if I could only > > have one book it would be . . . > > Essential System administration by ora. > > http://www.ora.com...must have > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 8 19:17: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f140.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F058F37B720 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:16:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 77388 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2000 03:16:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20000309031657.77387.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.246.128.137 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:16:57 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.246.128.137] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: iromo@cabonet.net.mx, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hola !!! Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:16:57 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Finally I found a translator.... Rafael, Use Babelfish to communicate with the group.. < english-spanish>. Guys on the lists, from now on use babelfish to help out translate other languages to english and back and forth... it can be found at: http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate? Finalmente encontré un traductor.... Rafael, uso Babelfish de comunicarse con el grupo. < > inglés-;. Los individuos en las listas, de ahora encendido utilizan el babelfish para ayudar hacia fuera a traducir otros lenguajes al inglés y... puede ser encontrado hacia adelante y hacia atrás en: http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate? Gracias de De antemano here's what Rafael said.. I have the operating system but there are some things that I do not know in relation to the installation of the programs. it wanted to have relation with which it has a little experience to see if it could help in this sense my programs me that handling are sendmail radius apache etc. but I want to improve the service. Beforehand thanks >Tengo el sistema operativo pero hay algunas cosas que desconozco en > >relacion a la instalacion de los programas . . . quisiera tener > >relacion con alguien que tenga un poco de experiencia para ver si me > >pudiera ayudar en este sentido mis programas que manejo son sendmail > >radius apache etc . . . pero quiero mejorar el servicio. >De antemano gracias . . . >Rafael Angulo Montoya >Cabonet ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 8 19:35:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cyberfrg.access.one.net (cyberfrg.access.one.net [216.23.8.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11EA37B774 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:35:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from x11@cyberfrg.access.one.net) Received: (from x11@localhost) by cyberfrg.access.one.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18261; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:43:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from x11) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:43:45 -0500 From: Mark Shirley To: Cosmic 665 , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hola !!! Message-ID: <20000308224345.H54870@cyberfrg.access.one.net> Reply-To: mark@entropynet.com References: <20000309031657.77387.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000309031657.77387.qmail@hotmail.com>; from the_hermit665@hotmail.com on Wed, Mar 08, 2000 at 07:16:57PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org this list is for english ONLY. i'm not going to goto a webpage to translate something that should already be in english. there are other mailing lists for your language. and here is a list of them Traditional Chinese -- majordomo@maillist.tw.FreeBSD.org, Big5 encoding. Simplified Chinese -- majordomo@cn.FreeBSD.org, GB2312 encoding. Czech -- majordomo@freebsd.cz German -- majordomo@de.FreeBSD.org or WWW. French -- listserver@freebsd-fr.org or WWW. *****Spanish -- majordomo@es.FreeBSD.org***** Hungarian -- majordomo@hu.FreeBSD.org Indonesian -- id-freebsd-subscribe@egroups.com Japanese -- majordomo@jp.FreeBSD.org or WWW. Korean -- majordomo@kr.FreeBSD.org or WWW. Netherlands -- majordomo@nl.FreeBSD.org. Polish -- majordomo@pap.waw.pl Portuguese -- listproc@br.FreeBSD.org or WWW. Slovakian -- majordomo@sk.FreeBSD.org and here is my first message translated into spanish for all our spanish speaking friends on this list. esta lista esta para el ingles SOLAMENTE. no voy al goto un webpage a traducir algo que debe ya estar en ingles. hay otras listas el enviar para su lenguaje. thank you and have a nice day gracias y tenga agradable un dia On Wed, Mar 08, 2000 at 07:16:57PM -0800, Cosmic 665 wrote: > > Finally I found a translator.... Rafael, Use Babelfish to communicate > with the group.. < english-spanish>. Guys on the lists, from now on use > babelfish to help out translate other languages to english and back and > forth... it can be found at: > http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate? > > > > Finalmente encontré un traductor.... Rafael, uso Babelfish de comunicarse > con el grupo. < > inglés-;. Los individuos en las listas, de ahora encendido > utilizan el babelfish para ayudar hacia fuera a traducir otros lenguajes al > inglés y... puede ser encontrado hacia adelante y hacia atrás en: > http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate? > Gracias de De antemano > > > here's what Rafael said.. > > > I have the operating system but there are some things that I do not know in > relation to the installation of the programs. it wanted to have relation > with which it has a little experience to see if it could help in this sense > my programs me that handling are sendmail radius apache etc. but I want to > improve the service. Beforehand thanks > > > > >Tengo el sistema operativo pero hay algunas cosas que desconozco en > > >relacion a la instalacion de los programas . . . quisiera tener > > >relacion con alguien que tenga un poco de experiencia para ver si me > > >pudiera ayudar en este sentido mis programas que manejo son sendmail > > >radius apache etc . . . pero quiero mejorar el servicio. > >De antemano gracias . . . > > >Rafael Angulo Montoya > >Cabonet > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > -- "First obligation of a prisoner is to escape." 'Ah. So, if one is a prisoner of love, one must escape to solitude. If one is a prisoner of joy, must one escape to sadness?' -- Sheridan and Lorien, "What Happened to Mr. Garibaldi?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 8 19:40:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f71.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 712DC37B72F for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:40:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 68221 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2000 03:40:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20000309034055.68220.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.246.128.137 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:40:55 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.246.128.137] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: cwalker@computech-ca.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:40:55 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't think you need to learn unix before FreeBSD. Just make sure you understand the diferences between system V and BSD. It would probably be in your best intrest to learn FreeBSD before any other unix OS. Since a lot of ISP's (ex. USWest, etc.) use FreeBSD. Get "The Complete FreeBSD" by Greg Lehey (the author is often found on this mailing list), as well as a book like "Unix Secrets" and "Uinx in a Nutshell". The fact that you have an MCSE proves your not a moron, so you will catch on fast. Just read the books and you will be fine. -cosmic-665 >Hello my name is Caleb Walker I am trying to learn the UNIX operating >system right now. I am a Windows NT Network Engineer in California. I >am very interested in helping others and being involved in helping >forward FreeBSD UNIX. Please let me know what I can do. > >Caleb Walker, MCSE >209-823-4553 > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 8 19:43:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f54.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 165EE37B8DE for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:43:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 2662 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2000 03:43:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20000309034348.2661.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.246.128.137 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:43:48 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.246.128.137] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: mark@entropynet.com, the_hermit665@hotmail.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hola !!! Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:43:48 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org perhaps no one on the other lists could help him????? That may be why he posted that message here. So why not help him?? Give a little... have a heart!!! >this list is for english ONLY. i'm not going to goto a webpage to >translate something that should already be in english. >there are other mailing lists for your language. > >and here is a list of them > >Traditional Chinese -- majordomo@maillist.tw.FreeBSD.org, Big5 encoding. >Simplified Chinese -- majordomo@cn.FreeBSD.org, GB2312 encoding. >Czech -- majordomo@freebsd.cz >German -- majordomo@de.FreeBSD.org or WWW. >French -- listserver@freebsd-fr.org or WWW. > >*****Spanish -- majordomo@es.FreeBSD.org***** > >Hungarian -- majordomo@hu.FreeBSD.org >Indonesian -- id-freebsd-subscribe@egroups.com >Japanese -- majordomo@jp.FreeBSD.org or WWW. >Korean -- majordomo@kr.FreeBSD.org or WWW. >Netherlands -- majordomo@nl.FreeBSD.org. >Polish -- majordomo@pap.waw.pl >Portuguese -- listproc@br.FreeBSD.org or WWW. >Slovakian -- majordomo@sk.FreeBSD.org > > >and here is my first message translated into spanish for all our spanish >speaking friends on this list. > >esta lista esta para el ingles SOLAMENTE. no voy al goto un webpage a >traducir algo que debe ya >estar en ingles. hay otras listas el enviar para su lenguaje. > > > >thank you and have a nice day >gracias y tenga agradable un dia > >On Wed, Mar 08, 2000 at 07:16:57PM -0800, Cosmic 665 wrote: > > > > Finally I found a translator.... Rafael, Use Babelfish to communicate > > with the group.. < english-spanish>. Guys on the lists, from now on use > > babelfish to help out translate other languages to english and back and > > forth... it can be found at: > > http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate? > > > > > > > > Finalmente encontré un traductor.... Rafael, uso Babelfish de >comunicarse > > con el grupo. < > inglés-;. Los individuos en las listas, de ahora >encendido > > utilizan el babelfish para ayudar hacia fuera a traducir otros lenguajes >al > > inglés y... puede ser encontrado hacia adelante y hacia atrás en: > > http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate? > > Gracias de De antemano > > > > > > here's what Rafael said.. > > > > > > I have the operating system but there are some things that I do not know >in > > relation to the installation of the programs. it wanted to have relation > > with which it has a little experience to see if it could help in this >sense > > my programs me that handling are sendmail radius apache etc. but I want >to > > improve the service. Beforehand thanks > > > > > > > > >Tengo el sistema operativo pero hay algunas cosas que desconozco en > > > >relacion a la instalacion de los programas . . . quisiera tener > > > >relacion con alguien que tenga un poco de experiencia para ver si me > > > >pudiera ayudar en este sentido mis programas que manejo son sendmail > > > >radius apache etc . . . pero quiero mejorar el servicio. > > >De antemano gracias . . . > > > > >Rafael Angulo Montoya > > >Cabonet > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > >-- >"First obligation of a prisoner is to escape." >'Ah. So, if one is a prisoner of love, one must escape to solitude. If one > is a prisoner of joy, must one escape to sadness?' > -- Sheridan and Lorien, "What Happened to Mr. Garibaldi?" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 8 19:47:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f110.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F4FC37B72F for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:47:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 27518 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2000 03:47:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20000309034741.27517.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.246.128.137 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:47:41 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.246.128.137] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hola !!! Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:47:41 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org err.. I mean perhaps the other lists couldn't help him... I think it's rude (in some cases) to lead people away from a help due to protocol. >perhaps no one on the other lists could help him????? That may be why he >posted that message here. So why not help him?? Give a little... have a >heart!!! > > > >this list is for english ONLY. i'm not going to goto a webpage to >translate something that should already be in english. > >there are other mailing lists for your language. > > > >and here is a list of them ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 8 19:58:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D9337B718 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:58:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id OAA65725; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:27:48 +1030 (CST) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:27:47 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Cosmic 665 Cc: cwalker@computech-ca.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000309142747.M58942@freebie.lemis.com> References: <20000309034055.68220.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <20000309034055.68220.qmail@hotmail.com> WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 8 March 2000 at 19:40:55 -0800, Cosmic 665 wrote: >> Hello my name is Caleb Walker I am trying to learn the UNIX operating >> system right now. I am a Windows NT Network Engineer in California. I >> am very interested in helping others and being involved in helping >> forward FreeBSD UNIX. Please let me know what I can do. > > I don't think you need to learn unix before FreeBSD. Just make sure > you understand the diferences between system V and BSD. It would > probably be in your best intrest to learn FreeBSD before any other > unix OS. Since a lot of ISP's (ex. USWest, etc.) use FreeBSD. Get > "The Complete FreeBSD" by Greg Lehey (the author is often found on > this mailing list), It happens :-) Usually I keep my mouth shut (Aunty Sue's orders). > as well as a book like "Unix Secrets" and "Uinx in a Nutshell". Really my book isn't for people learning UNIX, it's for people who have some idea of UNIX who want to learn to use FreeBSD. So Caleb's idea is, at least in theory, a good one. The real question is: what's a good book for learning UNIX? There were none when I learnt UNIX, but one book I rather like is "UNIX for the Impatient" by Abrahams and Larson (Addison Wesley). I'd be interested in feedback from real newbies who have started out with this book, because it will help me decide whether to continue recommending it. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 8 21:42:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f55.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B8A0B37B77E for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 21:42:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 36361 invoked by uid 0); 9 Mar 2000 05:42:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20000309054250.36360.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.246.128.137 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 08 Mar 2000 21:42:50 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.246.128.137] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: grog@lemis.com, the_hermit665@hotmail.com Cc: cwalker@computech-ca.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 21:42:50 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am by far no unix expert. I learned what I do know about Unix and FreeBSD through "The Complete FreeBSD". I know very little about what "Real unix" is, but with so many OS's making up unix as they go along (ex. Linux, etc.), It's very difficult to actually learn a real Unix platform. One of the reasons why I use FreeBSD is because I had a lot of trouble with Linux. Most of the books give references to URL's which become broken right away. Or the online docs that books point to are so "Off-topic", I couldn't figure out how to do anything. FreeBSD provides a very simple Unix operating system for anyone to learn unix. I think "The Complete FreeBSD" is a great book for someone to understand a unix OS. There's step-by-step instructions which work and are easy to follow. After you lean the OS, you can begin to learn how Unix works. That's the approach I'm taking towards learning unix. As for the "Unix for the Impatient" book, I've never read it. I like the "Unix Secrets" book :) >Really my book isn't for people learning UNIX, it's for people who >have some idea of UNIX who want to learn to use FreeBSD. So Caleb's >idea is, at least in theory, a good one. > >The real question is: what's a good book for learning UNIX? There >were none when I learnt UNIX, but one book I rather like is "UNIX for >the Impatient" by Abrahams and Larson (Addison Wesley). I'd be >interested in feedback from real newbies who have started out with >this book, because it will help me decide whether to continue >recommending it. > >Greg >-- >Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key >See complete headers for address and phone numbers > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 9 0:28:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from 001.co.jp (ej1.001.co.jp [210.146.252.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD31D37B507; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 00:28:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mic@001.co.jp) Received: from ej1.001.co.jp.001.co.jp ([192.168.100.33]) by 001.co.jp (8.8.8/3.6W:Mon Mar 16 22:26:19 JST 1998) with SMTP id QAA24572; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:13:41 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <008401bf8999$57235c40$2164a8c0@ej1.001.co.jp.001.co.jp> From: "=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCJTAlbCE8JUglOCVjITwlSyE8GyhC?=" To: Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCJTAlbCE8JUglOCVjITwlSyE8GyhCTkVXUxskQiFKGyhCMDM=?= =?iso-2022-jp?B?MDkxMDA0GyRCIUsbKEI=?= Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:29:07 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org $B!!!!(B $B!!!!!!%0%l!<%H%8%c!<%K!<(BNEWS $BFMA3$N%a!<%kAw?.$9$k;v$r$*5v$7$/$@$5$$!#(B $B9%I>$KIU$-!!Bh#2CF!*!*?7=U%-%c%s%Z!<%s$G$9!#(B $B!A%@%$%P!e$2$F$*$j$^$9!#(B $B3t<02q; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 02:36:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA56149; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:36:16 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:36:14 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Greg Lehey Cc: Cosmic 665 , cwalker@computech-ca.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Good unix books [was: FreeBSD] Message-ID: <20000309213609.C55874@welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Greg Lehey , Cosmic 665 , cwalker@computech-ca.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000309034055.68220.qmail@hotmail.com> <20000309142747.M58942@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <20000309142747.M58942@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 02:27:47PM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 02:27:47PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > > The real question is: what's a good book for learning UNIX? There > were none when I learnt UNIX, but one book I rather like is "UNIX for > the Impatient" by Abrahams and Larson (Addison Wesley). I'd be > interested in feedback from real newbies who have started out with > this book, because it will help me decide whether to continue > recommending it. Well I'm not a "real newbie" but I still flash the scars :-) I found the approach of "UNIX for the Impatient" reassuring at first, but reading it got boring very quickly even though the subject matter was interesting and well handled. Later I used it as a reference for longer alternative explanations of matters not essential to just doing it. The book has a handy chapter on X from a humble X user's perspective which provided the orientation I would have liked to have found in those early days when I couldn't fathom how to use the mouse or get rid of X off the screen. The reason why this and so many other unix books bore me is that they are excruciatingly passive. I'm not here to listen to what others know about unix, I'm here to enjoy doing what I can do and find out how I can do more. To me, a book that I learn from has to be there to assist my learning directly. I feel like saying "Hey Author, you think you've told me something on that page? OK, you prove it! You show me something that _I_ can do now that _I_ couldn't do a few pages ago, and you let me try it out with my own fingers in some way that is interesting and valid. Then let me gloat over my latest small achievement rather than being relieved that I've finished listening to your chapter." By buying the book I have acknowledged the author's ability, and by working through it I deserve to have mine acknowledged. That's hard to organise when working alone. If I lack confidence it will be more important for the author to extract from me acts that will produce non-book proof that I'm really getting somewhere, before yet another chunk of information gets poured into my eyes and I give up in despair. Of course we need reference books and books with a more theoretical approach, but both of those would work better if used in support of a learner-centred book which also covered theory (the "how and why" part) as it went along. Books that teach other topics often work this way, but I am yet to see a unix book that does. "UNIX Power Tools" comes close because its articles are all very brief, practical and written in an approachable style. They arouse curiosity and disbelief, so that you can't resist putting the book down and having a go, then you stare in amazement, then rush back to reconcile your output with the examples and explanations. This book provided the best fun I'd had with my clothes on since installing FreeBSD. But it's supposed to be a book for power users, not beginners. Compare a typical introductory unix book with any introductory hobby carpentry or knitting book or even a foreign language or mathematics textbook. To me the difference is clear and huge. If no unix books of this kind exist and there are people like me who need that hands on learner centred confidence building approach, one day I might have to write one. I'd rather discover now that one already exists or that nobody else wants one. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 9 7: 6: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from post1.inre.asu.edu (post1.inre.asu.edu [129.219.13.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44E437B6A9 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 07:06:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from giuseppe@asu.edu) Received: from smtp.asu.edu (smtp.asu.edu [129.219.13.92]) by asu.edu (PMDF V5.2-31 #33824) with ESMTP id <0FR50012JTUMYT@asu.edu> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 08:03:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from mainex1.asu.edu (mainex1.asu.edu [129.219.10.200]) by smtp.asu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05857 for ; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 08:05:41 -0700 (MST) Received: by mainex1.asu.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 08:03:56 -0700 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 08:03:53 -0700 From: Giuseppe Pittavini Subject: To: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Message-id: <23C4FF6DECA4D21182C400A0C9D17B7402362F09@mainex4.asu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BF89D8.AFAF9808" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01BF89D8.AFAF9808-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 9 11:10:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cell-works.com (cell-works.com [216.112.245.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119FB37B7F7 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:10:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@cell-works.com) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by cell-works.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12490; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:17:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from john@cell-works.com) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:17:24 -0500 (EST) From: John Daniel To: Sue Blake Cc: Greg Lehey , Cosmic 665 , cwalker@computech-ca.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Good unix books [was: FreeBSD] In-Reply-To: <20000309213609.C55874@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I want to do "stuff" and I want a book to show me how to do these things and why with out drowning me in dry detail. Of course my dry detail is someone elses vital fact. I came to freebsd because i needed it to use it for work. The person who introduced me to it was/is a "RTFM" guy but more and more I find that there isn't a manual that a beginner can go to and get stuff done. i like freeBSD and I like the people that use it. But it can be frustating getting the hang of it. for me a computer is not much goood with out applications and the ability to get work done. Printing,word proccessing, surfing,emailinh, sharing files with computers on the network are essential. But it can be hard to get those basic functions done. For example, recently I started a 3.3.4 box and started installing ports to get some functionality. I installed X,KDE,Netscape, Gimp and got them to work after a fashion( more experience configuring them will help ) and I'm working on vnc, samba, wordperfect ,lpr, xpdf. vnc installing the port doesn't install vnc you have to install. it with a file in one of the sub directories. If it wasn't for James on the newbies list i would still be struggling trying to figure out why it didn't work.( Thanks James) samba need to get the damons running and configured. Wordperfect down loaded. need to figure out how to update the MD5 file so the match the release I downloaded.So I can get the install to complete. xpdf same as wordperfect lpr set it up once on another box need to do some reading. What i want from a book on unix is how to turn Freebsd once it's installed into a working whatever. I'd be interested in seeing Sue's book though I think she'd be better of writing booklets on how to take a basic set up and turn it into gateway workstation, game station, file server or whatever so what you get is what you want. Oh and How about something on figuring out what the heck what went wrong when something doesn't work that's generally how I learn the most. How about a nice booklet on scripting so i could figure out out how to break stuff that ain't fixed....rant ,rant RTFM some days I can't even find the manual. Nuf said. :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I hope that after I die, people will say of me : " That guy sure owed me a lot of money." -JH ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 9 11:22:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from intrex.net (mail.intrex.net [209.42.192.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917AA37B7B3 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:22:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brownicm@prokyon.com) Received: from molly.local.domain [209.42.232.65] by intrex.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AA0838C006E; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 14:22:48 -0500 Content-Length: 1574 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 14:21:01 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Browning To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FW: RE: Good unix books [was: FreeBSD] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (Sorry, Sue... the list is where I intended this to go) I've been using UNIX for about five years. Learned it in tech school and never looked back. Back then, I bought "UNIX Shell Programming" by Kochan & Wood, published by Hayden Books. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/067248448X/102-8421554-9920016 It's a bit old and dated now, but most of it is still applicable. In the course of explaining shell scripts, it gives a really good introduction to the basics of UNIX and shell operations. It starts at the very beginning i.e. ls, cat, rm, mkdir and so on. Well written and not dry, it had me moving around and feeling like I could actually do things from the very first. It and Greg Lehey's "Complete FreeBSD ", 2nd ed. are the books I learned from. Over the years, I've collected a lot of others (O'Reilly's vi Editor Pocket Reference comes to mind), but I still go back to these two fairly often. On 09-Mar-00 Sue Blake wrote: > On Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 02:27:47PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >> >> The real question is: what's a good book for learning UNIX? There >> were none when I learnt UNIX, but one book I rather like is "UNIX for >> the Impatient" by Abrahams and Larson (Addison Wesley). I'd be >> interested in feedback from real newbies who have started out with >> this book, because it will help me decide whether to continue >> recommending it. ---------------------------------- "if you believe in Nothing... ...Honey, It believes in you." Chris Browning brownicm@prokyon.com XFMail on FreeBSD 3.2 09-Mar-00 ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 9 12: 1:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from zeus.larp.com (zeus.larp.com [38.209.52.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC3637BB3C for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:01:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmo@zeus.larp.com) Received: from localhost (asmo@localhost) by zeus.larp.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11000 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:58:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:58:09 -0500 (EST) From: Justin Cain To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Hello All Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just wanted to say Hi! Im getting ready to build my first freeBSD server using 4.0 as soon I get a copy. Talk to ya soon! Asmo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 9 12: 6:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (brisba6.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.66.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C79B37B6B6 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:06:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA08422; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:05:58 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "ROADRUNNER" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdTu8419; Fri Mar 10 06:05:46 2000 Message-ID: <000f01bf8a02$d97ba530$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> From: "Doug Young" To: "John Daniel" , "Sue Blake" Cc: "Greg Lehey" , "Cosmic 665" , , References: Subject: Re: Good unix books [was: FreeBSD] Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:05:39 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'll second that .... there's no question that the FreeBSD documentation is light years ahead of the near totally unintelligible linux equivalents, and the assistance provided by many mailing list regulars is among the best of its kind anywhere, but unfortunately even the best of the presently available entry level FreeBSD docs (the handbook / Complete FreeBSD) still fall short of what many newbies need .... proof of this is seen the avalanche of "how do I do blah" questions to the various mailing lists. What I see as a partial solution is for newbies to be more involved in the docs list ... possibly then the things can be made sufficiently explicit for those of us looking for a step_by_step rendition of how to configure blah ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Daniel" To: "Sue Blake" Cc: "Greg Lehey" ; "Cosmic 665" ; ; Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 5:17 AM Subject: Re: Good unix books [was: FreeBSD] > I want to do "stuff" and I want a book to show me how to do these things > and why with out drowning me in dry detail. Of course my dry detail is > someone elses vital fact. > > I came to freebsd because i needed it to use it for work. The person who > introduced me to it was/is a "RTFM" guy but more and more I find that > there isn't a manual that a beginner can go to and get stuff done. > > i like freeBSD and I like the people that use it. But it can be > frustating getting the hang of it. for me a computer is not much goood > with out applications and the ability to get work done. Printing,word > proccessing, surfing,emailinh, sharing files with computers on the network > are > essential. But it can be hard to get those basic functions done. For > example, recently I started a 3.3.4 box and started installing ports to > get some functionality. > > I installed X,KDE,Netscape, Gimp and got them to work after a fashion( > more experience configuring them will help ) and I'm working on vnc, > samba, wordperfect ,lpr, xpdf. > > vnc installing the port doesn't install vnc you have to install. it with a > file in one of the sub directories. If it wasn't for James on the newbies > list i would still be struggling trying to figure out why it didn't work.( > Thanks James) > > samba need to get the damons running and configured. > > Wordperfect down loaded. need to figure out how to update the MD5 file so > the match the release I downloaded.So I can get the install to complete. > > xpdf same as wordperfect > > lpr set it up once on another box need to do some reading. > > What i want from a book on unix is how to turn Freebsd once it's installed > into a working whatever. I'd be interested in seeing Sue's book though I > think she'd be better of writing booklets on how to take a basic set up > and turn it into gateway workstation, game station, file server or > whatever so what you get is what you want. Oh and How about something on > figuring out what the heck what went wrong when something doesn't work > that's generally how I learn the most. How about a nice booklet on > scripting so i could figure out out how to break stuff that ain't > fixed....rant ,rant > > RTFM some days I can't even find the manual. > Nuf said. :-) > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > "I hope that after I die, people will say of me : " That guy sure owed me > a lot of money." > > -JH > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 9 12:18:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from zeus.larp.com (zeus.larp.com [38.209.52.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E77B37B76E for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:18:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmo@zeus.larp.com) Received: from localhost (asmo@localhost) by zeus.larp.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11558 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:15:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:15:20 -0500 (EST) From: Justin Cain To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hello! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hrmm, Is there anything in 4.0 that might be WORTH trying that version before 4.1 comes out? Basically heres what I plan to use the system for: Hardware: 2x Celeron 500's Abit BP6 Mobo 256 Ram I will be planning on running this server primarily for a learning experiance, mail, little www use, possible a dedicated game server. Might there be any reason why I should rush to get 4.0? I really dont want to wait till 4.1 comes in july. Thanks, Asmo On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Justin Cain wrote: > > I just wanted to say Hi! Im getting ready to build my first freeBSD > server using 4.0 as soon I get a copy. > > Talk to ya soon! > Asmo > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 9 12:29:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sunburst.csfi.com (sunburst.csfi.com [204.1.38.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E9E37B782 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:29:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yong@csfi.com) Received: from yongdell (pc_yong [204.1.38.26]) by sunburst.csfi.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id PAA02091; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:29:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Yong Lim" To: "Justin Cain" , Subject: RE: Hello! Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:29:51 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just saw this article: http://www.boardwatch.com/mag/2000/feb/bwm79.html Just saw interview with the Man (aka Jordan Hubbard) and might be good to check out for 4.0. Yong -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Justin Cain Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 3:15 PM To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hello! Hrmm, Is there anything in 4.0 that might be WORTH trying that version before 4.1 comes out? Basically heres what I plan to use the system for: Hardware: 2x Celeron 500's Abit BP6 Mobo 256 Ram I will be planning on running this server primarily for a learning experiance, mail, little www use, possible a dedicated game server. Might there be any reason why I should rush to get 4.0? I really dont want to wait till 4.1 comes in july. Thanks, Asmo On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Justin Cain wrote: > > I just wanted to say Hi! Im getting ready to build my first freeBSD > server using 4.0 as soon I get a copy. > > Talk to ya soon! > Asmo > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 9 12:50:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.valleyip.net (mail.valleyip.net [204.248.155.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2580937B73A for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:50:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cwalker@computech-ca.com) Received: (qmail 98617 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2000 20:50:33 -0000 Received: from admin.valleyip.net (HELO computech-ca.com) (204.248.155.12) by mail.valleyip.net with SMTP; 9 Mar 2000 20:50:33 -0000 Message-ID: <38C80E12.560C80AB@computech-ca.com> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 12:48:18 -0800 From: Caleb Walker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Young Cc: John Daniel , Sue Blake , Greg Lehey , Cosmic 665 , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Good unix books [was: FreeBSD] References: <000f01bf8a02$d97ba530$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org One of my main objectives is this very thing. There are many "single" things that I would like to do. For instance, I have an NT Server at home. I am running proxy server on it just so that the other computers can get out through the Cable. This just beats the hell out of this pile of crap NT box. Not to mention the problem in getting other computers that are not Microsoft to connect to the Internet is almost impossible. Making a NAT router out of the UNIX box it the first thing I am going to work on. This step by step documentation does not exsist as far as I know so far. These kind of things would be helpful in the Docs. Then when this part is finished I would like to go on to other things like making a DNS server using the bind specs. In the process of doing this I would like to make documentation that is easy to understand for "Newbies" like myself. I think I have found my way to contribute to this awesome project! Thank You all! If I am way off base though let me know because I am new here. Caleb Doug Young wrote: > I'll second that .... there's no question that the FreeBSD documentation > is light years ahead of the near totally unintelligible linux equivalents, > and the assistance provided by many mailing list regulars is among the best > of its kind anywhere, but unfortunately even the best of the presently > available entry level FreeBSD docs (the handbook / Complete FreeBSD) still > fall short of what many newbies need .... proof of this is seen the > avalanche of "how do I do blah" questions to the various mailing lists. What > I see as a partial solution is for newbies to be more involved in the docs > list ... possibly then the things can be made sufficiently explicit for > those of us looking for a step_by_step rendition of how to configure blah > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Daniel" > To: "Sue Blake" > Cc: "Greg Lehey" ; "Cosmic 665" ; > ; > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 5:17 AM > Subject: Re: Good unix books [was: FreeBSD] > > > I want to do "stuff" and I want a book to show me how to do these things > > and why with out drowning me in dry detail. Of course my dry detail is > > someone elses vital fact. > > > > I came to freebsd because i needed it to use it for work. The person who > > introduced me to it was/is a "RTFM" guy but more and more I find that > > there isn't a manual that a beginner can go to and get stuff done. > > > > i like freeBSD and I like the people that use it. But it can be > > frustating getting the hang of it. for me a computer is not much goood > > with out applications and the ability to get work done. Printing,word > > proccessing, surfing,emailinh, sharing files with computers on the network > > are > > essential. But it can be hard to get those basic functions done. For > > example, recently I started a 3.3.4 box and started installing ports to > > get some functionality. > > > > I installed X,KDE,Netscape, Gimp and got them to work after a fashion( > > more experience configuring them will help ) and I'm working on vnc, > > samba, wordperfect ,lpr, xpdf. > > > > vnc installing the port doesn't install vnc you have to install. it with a > > file in one of the sub directories. If it wasn't for James on the newbies > > list i would still be struggling trying to figure out why it didn't work.( > > Thanks James) > > > > samba need to get the damons running and configured. > > > > Wordperfect down loaded. need to figure out how to update the MD5 file so > > the match the release I downloaded.So I can get the install to complete. > > > > xpdf same as wordperfect > > > > lpr set it up once on another box need to do some reading. > > > > What i want from a book on unix is how to turn Freebsd once it's installed > > into a working whatever. I'd be interested in seeing Sue's book though I > > think she'd be better of writing booklets on how to take a basic set up > > and turn it into gateway workstation, game station, file server or > > whatever so what you get is what you want. Oh and How about something on > > figuring out what the heck what went wrong when something doesn't work > > that's generally how I learn the most. How about a nice booklet on > > scripting so i could figure out out how to break stuff that ain't > > fixed....rant ,rant > > > > RTFM some days I can't even find the manual. > > Nuf said. :-) > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > > "I hope that after I die, people will say of me : " That guy sure owed me > > a lot of money." > > > > -JH > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 9 13: 8:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (brisba6.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.66.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7375337B839 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:08:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23196; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:07:33 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "ROADRUNNER" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdj23189; Fri Mar 10 07:07:23 2000 Message-ID: <00c701bf8a0b$74b7d020$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> From: "Doug Young" To: "Caleb Walker" Cc: "John Daniel" , "Sue Blake" , "Greg Lehey" , "Cosmic 665" , References: <000f01bf8a02$d97ba530$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> <38C80E12.560C80AB@computech-ca.com> Subject: Re: Good unix books [was: FreeBSD] Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:07:17 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've always been impressed by how simple to configure FreeBSD stuff is when_you_know_how .... but unfortunately the experts (without denigrating the many helpful folk in the mailing lists) ... in the course of becoming such .... all too often lose track of many of the myriad minor but critical steps that make all the difference... there is a surprising amount of "how to do blah" stuff lurking around the net ... whether for FreeBSD specifically or linux stuff that can be adapted ... but nothing in the way of a summary of where to find it. I've been putting together a site with my collection of helpful stuff but still a way to go before I'm happy with it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caleb Walker" To: "Doug Young" Cc: "John Daniel" ; "Sue Blake" ; "Greg Lehey" ; "Cosmic 665" ; Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 6:48 AM Subject: Re: Good unix books [was: FreeBSD] > One of my main objectives is this very thing. There are many "single" things > that I would like to do. For instance, I have an NT Server at home. I am > running proxy server on it just so that the other computers can get out through > the Cable. This just beats the hell out of this pile of crap NT box. Not to > mention the problem in getting other computers that are not Microsoft to connect > to the Internet is almost impossible. Making a NAT router out of the UNIX box > it the first thing I am going to work on. This step by step documentation does > not exsist as far as I know so far. These kind of things would be helpful in > the Docs. Then when this part is finished I would like to go on to other things > like making a DNS server using the bind specs. In the process of doing this I > would like to make documentation that is easy to understand for "Newbies" like > myself. > > I think I have found my way to contribute to this awesome project! Thank You > all! If I am way off base though let me know because I am new here. > > Caleb > > Doug Young wrote: > > > I'll second that .... there's no question that the FreeBSD documentation > > is light years ahead of the near totally unintelligible linux equivalents, > > and the assistance provided by many mailing list regulars is among the best > > of its kind anywhere, but unfortunately even the best of the presently > > available entry level FreeBSD docs (the handbook / Complete FreeBSD) still > > fall short of what many newbies need .... proof of this is seen the > > avalanche of "how do I do blah" questions to the various mailing lists. What > > I see as a partial solution is for newbies to be more involved in the docs > > list ... possibly then the things can be made sufficiently explicit for > > those of us looking for a step_by_step rendition of how to configure blah > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Daniel" > > To: "Sue Blake" > > Cc: "Greg Lehey" ; "Cosmic 665" ; > > ; > > Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 5:17 AM > > Subject: Re: Good unix books [was: FreeBSD] > > > > > I want to do "stuff" and I want a book to show me how to do these things > > > and why with out drowning me in dry detail. Of course my dry detail is > > > someone elses vital fact. > > > > > > I came to freebsd because i needed it to use it for work. The person who > > > introduced me to it was/is a "RTFM" guy but more and more I find that > > > there isn't a manual that a beginner can go to and get stuff done. > > > > > > i like freeBSD and I like the people that use it. But it can be > > > frustating getting the hang of it. for me a computer is not much goood > > > with out applications and the ability to get work done. Printing,word > > > proccessing, surfing,emailinh, sharing files with computers on the network > > > are > > > essential. But it can be hard to get those basic functions done. For > > > example, recently I started a 3.3.4 box and started installing ports to > > > get some functionality. > > > > > > I installed X,KDE,Netscape, Gimp and got them to work after a fashion( > > > more experience configuring them will help ) and I'm working on vnc, > > > samba, wordperfect ,lpr, xpdf. > > > > > > vnc installing the port doesn't install vnc you have to install. it with a > > > file in one of the sub directories. If it wasn't for James on the newbies > > > list i would still be struggling trying to figure out why it didn't work.( > > > Thanks James) > > > > > > samba need to get the damons running and configured. > > > > > > Wordperfect down loaded. need to figure out how to update the MD5 file so > > > the match the release I downloaded.So I can get the install to complete. > > > > > > xpdf same as wordperfect > > > > > > lpr set it up once on another box need to do some reading. > > > > > > What i want from a book on unix is how to turn Freebsd once it's installed > > > into a working whatever. I'd be interested in seeing Sue's book though I > > > think she'd be better of writing booklets on how to take a basic set up > > > and turn it into gateway workstation, game station, file server or > > > whatever so what you get is what you want. Oh and How about something on > > > figuring out what the heck what went wrong when something doesn't work > > > that's generally how I learn the most. How about a nice booklet on > > > scripting so i could figure out out how to break stuff that ain't > > > fixed....rant ,rant > > > > > > RTFM some days I can't even find the manual. > > > Nuf said. :-) > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----- > > > > > > "I hope that after I die, people will say of me : " That guy sure owed me > > > a lot of money." > > > > > > -JH > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 9 14:24:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pyyhe.saunalahti.fi (mail.sci.fi [195.74.0.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B615737B87B for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:24:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from juksi@iname.com) Received: from sjukebox (MMCMXI.hdyn.saunalahti.fi [195.197.45.211]) by pyyhe.saunalahti.fi (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA10856; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:35:58 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000309142747.M58942@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:24:16 +0200 (EET) From: Jukka Simila To: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, cwalker@computech-ca.com, Cosmic 665 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 09-Mar-00 Greg Lehey wrote: > On Wednesday, 8 March 2000 at 19:40:55 -0800, Cosmic 665 wrote: >> as well as a book like "Unix Secrets" and "Uinx in a Nutshell". > > Really my book isn't for people learning UNIX, it's for people who > have some idea of UNIX who want to learn to use FreeBSD. So Caleb's > idea is, at least in theory, a good one. > > The real question is: what's a good book for learning UNIX? There > were none when I learnt UNIX, but one book I rather like is "UNIX for > the Impatient" by Abrahams and Larson (Addison Wesley). I'd be > interested in feedback from real newbies who have started out with > this book, because it will help me decide whether to continue > recommending it. > > Greg I decided to add an opinion in this conversation: You don't need any books to learn unix(or in this case, freebsd). At least I didn't. I don't say I'd master it, but I can set up a FreeBSD machine to be a firewall and a gateway. And such things. I started with a printed version of the handbook, and set up fbsd 2.2.5, two years ago. that was my first experience with unix. since that, i haven't bought any books, mainly because of their prices. -around 100$. like I didn't find better things to spend my money on :) All the info I have needed, I've found from the handbook, faq, manpages, infofiles, mailing list archives and finally, if everything else has failed, I've asked a question on a list. It might be faster to learn unix by reading a book, but I've found and find it more fun to battle hours or days with a single problem (for example, how to set up userppp) and then, finally, after several misconfigurations, find the right one. It's much more satisfying. And afterall, it's very important to learn how to use the on-line documentation, since the books are never up-to-date, at least not in every detail. @-`--,--`--- Jukka Simila To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 9 14:54:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB6737B890 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:54:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id RAA10989; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:54:14 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts003d23.mer-id.concentric.net (ts003d23.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.131]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id RAA20121; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:54:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:51:37 -0700 (MST) From: mlduke To: Justin Cain Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hello All In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Welcome. ML Duke > I just wanted to say Hi! Im getting ready to build my first freeBSD > server using 4.0 as soon I get a copy. > > Talk to ya soon! > Asmo > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 9 15: 0:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f300.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7944037B87B for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:00:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 2446 invoked by uid 0); 10 Mar 2000 07:49:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000310074903.2445.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.226.227.73 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 09 Mar 2000 23:49:03 PST X-Originating-IP: [63.226.227.73] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: asmo@zeus.larp.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hello! Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 23:49:03 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org why can't you just use 3.4?? It's out now, works fine. Also, you can get a head-start on learning the OS. SMP won't be hard to setup, and If you have a internet connection your good to go. :) >Hrmm, Is there anything in 4.0 that might be WORTH trying that version >before 4.1 comes out? Basically heres what I plan to use the system for: > >Hardware: >2x Celeron 500's >Abit BP6 Mobo >256 Ram > >I will be planning on running this server primarily for a learning >experiance, mail, little www use, possible a dedicated game server. Might >there be any reason why I should rush to get 4.0? I really dont want to >wait till 4.1 comes in july. > >Thanks, Asmo > >On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Justin Cain wrote: > > > > > I just wanted to say Hi! Im getting ready to build my first freeBSD > > server using 4.0 as soon I get a copy. > > > > Talk to ya soon! > > Asmo > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 9 15: 2:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.valleyip.net (mail.valleyip.net [204.248.155.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 683DC37B8B2 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:02:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cwalker@computech-ca.com) Received: (qmail 3002 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2000 23:02:15 -0000 Received: from admin.valleyip.net (HELO computech-ca.com) (204.248.155.12) by mail.valleyip.net with SMTP; 9 Mar 2000 23:02:15 -0000 Message-ID: <38C82CEF.489A5DE7@computech-ca.com> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 15:00:00 -0800 From: Caleb Walker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Hardware Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a perfect newbie question for you guys though. I am going to need to put another NIC in the box. I have no Idea on how to do that. What is the first step in doing that. Or more importantly, where is that "manpage" or documentation? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 9 15: 7:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from brent.tccsweb.com (cr314206-a.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.53.176]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA5C37B803 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:06:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brent@talou.net) Received: from talou.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by brent.tccsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03499; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:06:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brent@talou.net) Message-ID: <38C82E77.AD18D3B7@talou.net> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 15:06:31 -0800 From: Brent Rector X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Caleb Walker Cc: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Hardware References: <38C82CEF.489A5DE7@computech-ca.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Caleb, Are you installing a second PCI or ISA card? Brent Caleb Walker wrote: > > I have a perfect newbie question for you guys though. I am going to > need to put another NIC in the box. I have no Idea on how to do that. > What is the first step in doing that. Or more importantly, where is > that "manpage" or documentation? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Brent L. Rector brent@talou.net SysAdmin Talou Internet Services Corp. http://www.talou.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- As a computing professional, I believe it would be unethical for me to advise, recommend, or support the use (save possibly for personal amusement) of any product that is or depends on any Microsoft product. -- OWNED? MS: Who's Been In Your Computer Today? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 9 15:10:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from zeus.larp.com (zeus.larp.com [38.209.52.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F110837B87C for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:10:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmo@zeus.larp.com) Received: from localhost (asmo@localhost) by zeus.larp.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16762; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:06:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 18:06:50 -0500 (EST) From: Justin Cain To: Cosmic 665 Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hello! In-Reply-To: <20000310074903.2445.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks I am going to take your advice :> btw, Is the deal with Unix power tools/ freeBSD 3.4/ and the book worth the cost to purchase?? Thanks, asmo On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Cosmic 665 wrote: > > why can't you just use 3.4?? It's out now, works fine. Also, you can get a > head-start on learning the OS. SMP won't be hard to setup, and If you have > a internet connection your good to go. :) > > >Hrmm, Is there anything in 4.0 that might be WORTH trying that version > >before 4.1 comes out? Basically heres what I plan to use the system for: > > > >Hardware: > >2x Celeron 500's > >Abit BP6 Mobo > >256 Ram > > > >I will be planning on running this server primarily for a learning > >experiance, mail, little www use, possible a dedicated game server. Might > >there be any reason why I should rush to get 4.0? I really dont want to > >wait till 4.1 comes in july. > > > >Thanks, Asmo > > > >On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Justin Cain wrote: > > > > > > > > I just wanted to say Hi! Im getting ready to build my first freeBSD > > > server using 4.0 as soon I get a copy. > > > > > > Talk to ya soon! > > > Asmo > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 9 15:45: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from marlin.cabonet.net.mx (dns2.cabonet.net.mx [200.38.128.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C971137B87A for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:43:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rafael@cabonet.net.mx) Received: from seahorse.cabonet.net.mx ([200.38.128.17]) by marlin.cabonet.net.mx (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01257 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 17:07:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rafael@cabonet.net.mx) Message-Id: <200003100007.RAA01257@marlin.cabonet.net.mx> From: "Rafael Angulo Montoya" To: Subject: Hola !!! Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:36:51 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tengo el Sistema Operativo FreeBSD y no encuentro una tecnica para respaldar mi sistema y poderlo restaurar cuando asi sea necesario. No se si ustedes me pudieran ayudar en este caso. Saludos Rafael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 10 14:57:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from axt.cna.ne.jp (axt.cna.ne.jp [210.231.112.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67CE137C3A1; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:57:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ican21@cna.ne.jp) Received: from ogate.cna.ne.jp (ogate.cna.ne.jp [210.231.112.20]) by axt.cna.ne.jp (8.9.3/3.7W00010421) with ESMTP id HAA10515; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:57:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from [10.2.129.206] ([10.2.129.206]) by ogate.cna.ne.jp (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA02210; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:53:25 +0900 (JST) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 07:48:59 +0900 Subject: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCMWMycSROMWk9UCRLISIhWDR7QjgbKEo=?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJE4lUyE8JWskLCEiJCIkSiQ/TU0kQCQxJE4lUxsoSg==?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCITwlayRLJW8lcyU/JUMlQSRHSlE/SCEjIVkbKEo=?= From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCRU9KVUUvSVcbKEo=?= Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org $BEbFM$J%a!<%k$*5v$72<$5$$!#(J $B4?Aw7^2q$d7k:'<0$N%7!<%:%s$G$9!#(J $B$=$3$G!"1c2q44;vMM$K$*CN$i$;$G$9!#(J $B$46=L#$N$J$$J}$K$O?4$+$i$*OM$S?=$7>e$2$^$9$H$H$b$K!"(J $B:o=|$N$*4j$$$r?=$7>e$2$^$9!#(J $B!|!|!|4{B8$N%S!<%k$,$"$J$?MM$@$1$N%S!<%k$K%o%s%?%C%A$GJQ?H!#!|!|!|(J $B!Je$K!"%7!<%k$rE=$j$^$9$,!"E=$C$F$$(J $B$k0cOB46$,A4$/$"$j$^$;$s!#(J $B%"%5%R%9!<%Q!<%I%i%$!"%5%C%]%m9u@8$KBP1~$G$9!#$^$?!"#1#0Kg(J $B!J#1#0K\J,!K$+$i\$7$/$O2<5-$N%[!<%`%Z!<%8$r$4Mw2<$5$$!#(J =====$B!!(Jhttp://www.ican21.com/o_messe/indexf.html$B!!(J======= ------------------------------------------------------------ $B4k6HL>!!!!(J $B3t<02q!!(J $BEOJUE/IW(J $B%a!<%k!!!!(J ican@bau.co.jp TEL$B!!!!!!(J 018-823-9928 FAX$B!!!!!!(J 018-865-6898 $B=;=j!!!!!!(J $B=)ED;T?720A%>lD.(J2-18 $BC4Ev; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:45:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alandreou@yahoo.com) Received: from xtr23.x-treme.gr (HELO localhost.localdomain) (212.120.193.24) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2000 15:45:26 -0800 X-Apparently-From: Received: (from t00r@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00705 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:44:46 +0200 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:44:45 +0200 From: t00r To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: PnP modem... Message-ID: <20000311014445.A669@charon.otenet.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3us X-Language: el, en X-Operating-System: Ayto me to diabolaki Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! Being a newby to FreeBSD, I have many, many questions which I would like to share :) Well, I have this Plug and Play modem (stupid me :), ZOOM Comstar Speakerphone SVD 33.6 (Model 2800), which works fine with Linux. Under FreeBSD, I used -c kernel.GENERIC during boot time, and I entered: pnp 1 0 enable os irq0 3 drq0 0 port0 0x2e8 to set the modem to com4. The problem is, when I try to use the modem through cu -l /dev/cuaa3 I get a "Device not configured message". Can you help me with that? Is there any way to have FreeBSD automatically set up the modem, without the need to run the -c option during boot time, and any possible comcontrol and stty? Signed, Alexandros Andreou < alandreou@yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 10 16:45:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 844EF37BB81 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:45:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA370C; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:45:57 -0800 Message-ID: <38C996C3.731B3B5C@acuson.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:43:47 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: t00r Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: PnP modem... References: <20000311014445.A669@charon.otenet.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org t00r wrote: > Well, I have this Plug and Play modem (stupid me :), ZOOM Comstar Speakerphone > SVD 33.6 (Model 2800), which works fine with Linux. > Under FreeBSD, I used -c kernel.GENERIC during boot time, and I entered: > pnp 1 0 enable os irq0 3 drq0 0 port0 0x2e8 > to set the modem to com4. I suspect that a modem with that vintage, there will be some jumpers that allow you to configure it to actual ports and IRQs. Particularly, I suspect that this is an ISA card, which makes setting the ports and IRQs yourself even more sensible. I have done with with every ISA card I every had (except for a SB16 that didn't have jumpers), and I have never had any problems with them (except for the SB16). I did this even under Windoze. If you are dual booting with Windoze on the other half, you run the risk of Windoze changing the settings and not telling you about it (cf. SB16 above) resulting in hours of frustration later. Cheers, it's Friday, David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 10 17:30:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A1537C0B5 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:30:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA68676 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 12:30:12 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 12:30:12 +1100 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200003110130.MAA68676@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 11 6: 0:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nscache2.x-treme.gr (mail1.x-treme.gr [212.120.196.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AFCE37B77E for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 05:59:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (pat3.x-treme.gr [212.120.197.195]) by nscache2.x-treme.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3/IPNG-ADV-ANTISPAM-0.1) with SMTP id PAA04415 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:59:49 +0200 Received: (qmail 96537 invoked by uid 1001); 11 Mar 2000 11:57:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 13:57:22 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Greg Lehey Cc: Cosmic 665 , cwalker@computech-ca.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000311135722.A96442@hades.hell.gr> Reply-To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr References: <20000309034055.68220.qmail@hotmail.com> <20000309142747.M58942@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000309142747.M58942@freebie.lemis.com>; from grog@lemis.com on Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 02:27:47PM +1030 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 62 45 D1 C9 26 F9 95 06 D6 21 2A C8 8C 16 C0 8E X-Phone-Number: +30-94-6203692, +30-93-2886457 X-Address: Theodorou Kirinaiou 61, 26334 Patra, Greece Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 09, 2000 at 02:27:47PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > > It happens :-) Usually I keep my mouth shut (Aunty Sue's orders). > >> as well as a book like "Unix Secrets" and "Uinx in a Nutshell". > > Really my book isn't for people learning UNIX, it's for people who > have some idea of UNIX who want to learn to use FreeBSD. So Caleb's > idea is, at least in theory, a good one. I'll have to agree with Greg here. The book was a tremendous help for me when I was first using BSD, and I've learned quite a few of the things that were different from Linux--which I was using until then. The same book, exactly same edition, was used before Christmas by a few friends of mine that wished to learn "Unix". Apart from asking me about a dozen or so questions, for each page they read, they didn't really make sense of most of the stuff; at least, not the first time through. > The real question is: what's a good book for learning UNIX? There > were none when I learnt UNIX, but one book I rather like is "UNIX > for the Impatient" by Abrahams and Larson (Addison Wesley). I'd > be interested in feedback from real newbies who have started out > with this book, because it will help me decide whether to continue > recommending it. That, and "The UNIX programming environment" (TUPE) by Rob Pike and Brian Kernighan were pretty good. When I was first learning Unix, TUPE was the only book our university library had. Some sparse hints of Unix knowledge are also to be found in "The C programming language", by Kernighan and Ritchie. The best learning experience for me was, though, when I had TUPE on my lap and a VT-320 terminal in front of me, logged into SunOS 4.3 and were constantly playing around with command options, pipes, scripts, etc. An experience for which I'm grateful to my university's CS department :) -- Giorgos Keramidas, < keramida @ ceid . upatras . gr > For my public PGP key: finger keramida@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr PGP fingerprint, phone and address in the headers of this message. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 11 9: 1:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f265.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B2B1137B7C4 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:01:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 41717 invoked by uid 0); 12 Mar 2000 01:52:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20000312015206.41716.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.246.128.94 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:52:06 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.246.128.94] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: djohnson@acuson.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: PnP modem... Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:52:06 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org He's right!! I looked up the modem on the net and it's ISA. also, keep in mind that any COM port & IRQ port on your motherboard needs to be turned off. I would suggest com3 IRQ and a higher IRQ value like 9 or so. That way nothing will conflict with your ports or IRQ's set by your motherboard. Especially if your using a mouse, which often takes COM2 IRQ 3. If you do decide to use a lower-COM port setting and IRQ setting, make sure you "turn-off" any COM ports and IRQ's that will conflict in *BIOS*. -cosmic665 >I suspect that a modem with that vintage, there will be some jumpers >that allow you to configure it to actual ports and IRQs. Particularly, I >suspect that this is an ISA card, which makes setting the ports and IRQs >yourself even more sensible. > >I have done with with every ISA card I every had (except for a SB16 that >didn't have jumpers), and I have never had any problems with them >(except for the SB16). I did this even under Windoze. > >If you are dual booting with Windoze on the other half, you run the risk >of Windoze changing the settings and not telling you about it (cf. SB16 >above) resulting in hours of frustration later. > >Cheers, it's Friday, > >David > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 11 9:15:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from razor.arnes.si (razor.arnes.si [193.2.1.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED7AC37B7C4 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 09:15:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Martin.Zibert1@guest.arnes.si) Received: from peky (nm4-137i.dial-up.arnes.si [194.249.8.137]) by razor.arnes.si (Postfix) with SMTP id 3071A16EA12 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 18:15:45 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <009c01be6cab$dc37bb80$8908f9c2@peky> From: "Martin" To: Subject: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:20:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01BE6C93.8630F3E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BE6C93.8630F3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BE6C93.8630F3E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BE6C93.8630F3E0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 11 10:18:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B83537BCCE for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:18:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alandreou@yahoo.com) Received: from xtr268.x-treme.gr (HELO localhost.localdomain) (212.120.194.16) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2000 10:18:43 -0800 X-Apparently-From: Received: (from t00r@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00476 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:15:17 +0200 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:15:17 +0200 From: t00r To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: SOS - /dev/cuaa3 not configured Message-ID: <20000311201517.A473@charon.otenet.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3us X-Language: el, en X-Operating-System: Ayto me to diabolaki Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! I have used -c kernel during boot time, and pnp 1 0 enable os irq0 3 drq0 0 port0 0x2e8 to set my modem to COM4. pnpinfo shows that all is well, but when I try to use stty or comcontrol I get a "Device not configured", and a "Device not configured" followed by "/dev/cuaa3 line in use" by cu. Where the heck do I configure the damned modem? Nothing is done by adding an entry to /etc/remote. I have checked and re-created /dev/cuaa3 and /dev/ttyd3 with sh MAKEDEV. BTW, I am using FreeBSD-GENERIC 3.4. Signed, Alexandros Andreou < alandreou@yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 11 10:30:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f128.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AC95B37BCCE for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:30:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 44128 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2000 18:30:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20000311183051.44127.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.246.128.94 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:30:51 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.246.128.94] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: t00r@charon.otenet.gr, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SOS - /dev/cuaa3 not configured Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:30:51 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Did you make sure none of your "ON-board" ports are conflicting?? If your using a serial/ lpt port on-board your motherboard, make sure it is disabled "IN BIOS" if it is conflicting. Then make sure nothing in your kernel is conflicting as well. -cosmic-665 >Hello! >I have used -c kernel during boot time, and >pnp 1 0 enable os irq0 3 drq0 0 port0 0x2e8 >to set my modem to COM4. pnpinfo shows that >all is well, but when I try to use stty or >comcontrol I get a "Device not configured", >and a "Device not configured" followed by >"/dev/cuaa3 line in use" by cu. > >Where the heck do I configure the damned >modem? Nothing is done by adding an entry >to /etc/remote. > >I have checked and re-created /dev/cuaa3 and >/dev/ttyd3 with sh MAKEDEV. > >BTW, I am using FreeBSD-GENERIC 3.4. > >Signed, >Alexandros Andreou >< alandreou@yahoo.com > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 11 10:39:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f140.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 187F037BCEF for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:39:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 66364 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2000 18:39:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20000311183929.66363.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.246.128.94 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:39:29 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.246.128.94] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: t00r@charon.otenet.gr, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SOS - /dev/cuaa3 not configured Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 10:39:29 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org oops... I left out turn off plug N play in your BIOS and APM :P >Did you make sure none of your "ON-board" ports are conflicting?? If your >using a serial/ lpt port on-board your motherboard, make sure it is >disabled >"IN BIOS" if it is conflicting. Then make sure nothing in your kernel is >conflicting as well. > >-cosmic-665 > >>Hello! >>I have used -c kernel during boot time, and >>pnp 1 0 enable os irq0 3 drq0 0 port0 0x2e8 >>to set my modem to COM4. pnpinfo shows that >>all is well, but when I try to use stty or >>comcontrol I get a "Device not configured", >>and a "Device not configured" followed by >>"/dev/cuaa3 line in use" by cu. >> >>Where the heck do I configure the damned >>modem? Nothing is done by adding an entry >>to /etc/remote. >> >>I have checked and re-created /dev/cuaa3 and >>/dev/ttyd3 with sh MAKEDEV. >> >>BTW, I am using FreeBSD-GENERIC 3.4. >> >>Signed, >>Alexandros Andreou >>< alandreou@yahoo.com > >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >>http://im.yahoo.com >> >> >>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 11 11:52:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.valleyip.net (mail.valleyip.net [204.248.155.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6519337BC85 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:52:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cwalker@computech-ca.com) Received: (qmail 91042 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2000 19:51:57 -0000 Received: from butthead.valleyip.net (HELO computech-ca.com) (204.248.155.251) by mail.valleyip.net with SMTP; 11 Mar 2000 19:51:57 -0000 Message-ID: <38CAA336.9C37C9BD@computech-ca.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 11:49:10 -0800 From: Caleb Walker Organization: Computech, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Newbies Subject: FireWallq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there any where I can get just a canned firewall script to put as my rc.firewall just for temporary until I get to that part of the learning process?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 11 12:15:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f161.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 39E8437BCCB for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 12:15:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 16865 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2000 20:15:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20000311201551.16864.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.246.128.94 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 12:15:51 PST X-Originating-IP: [207.246.128.94] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: cwalker@computech-ca.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FireWallq Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 12:15:51 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just set your firewall in rc.conf to the following: firewall_enable="YES" # Set to YES to enable firewall firewall_type="OPEN" # Firewall type (see /etc/rc.firewall) firewall_quiet="NO" # Set to YES to suppress rule display and add this to your kernel config: options IPFIREWALL #firewall options IPFILTER #kernel ipfilter support options IPFILTER_LOG #ipfilter logging options IPDIVERT this will produce a firewall system, but it will leave the firewall open. By doing this you will have a firewall up, but it will be up to you to add whatever to your firewall (but at least your firewall will be up :P). -cosmic-665 >Is there any where I can get just a canned firewall script to put as my >rc.firewall just for temporary until I get to that part of the learning >process?? > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 11 15: 6:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2836437B9D0 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:06:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA67052; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:06:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <38CAD171.473435BA@gorean.org> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 15:06:25 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT-0307 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: t00r Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: PnP modem... References: <20000311014445.A669@charon.otenet.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org t00r wrote: > The problem is, when I try to use the modem through > cu -l /dev/cuaa3 > I get a "Device not configured message". Did you look in /dev to see if there is a cuaa3? If not, "cd /dev && /bin/sh MAKEDEV all" should handle it for you. If it's there, take a look at your kernel config file and make sure that your kernel includes it. Good luck, Doug -- "Welcome to the desert of the real." - Laurence Fishburne as Morpheus, "The Matrix" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message