From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 26 19:33:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from el20.cs.umass.edu (el20.cs.umass.edu [128.119.247.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A5137BA75 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 19:33:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dpohlson@edlab.cs.umass.edu) Received: from localhost (dpohlson@localhost) by el20.cs.umass.edu (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA16157 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 22:34:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 22:34:07 -0500 (EST) From: DANA POHLSON W To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: How can I volunteer? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org HI. I'm a big fan of UNIX, and I would always like to learn more about it, and its history. I'm wondering, is there any chance I could volunteer to do work for freeBSD? I think it would be so exciting to do cool work, just because its . . . cool. Who should I talk to? I'm not looking for work, I'm looking to get involved with an exciting project such as freeBSD. Thanks. Hope to hear from you soon, -Dana Pohlson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 26 19:51:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe31.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0ABDA37BAF2 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 19:51:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from koolmax@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 83453 invoked by uid 65534); 27 Mar 2000 03:51:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20000327035123.83452.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [193.230.163.254] From: "Max Kool" To: , "Alfred Breull" References: <3.0.6.32.20000321202021.00992b10@pop3.hannover.sgh-net.de> Subject: Re: Help, please. Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 19:25:10 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I own an IBM Thinkpad Aptiva with a 400 P2 and 64 MB ram. > There is 1.1 MB free space on which I'd like to install > FreeBSD 3.4, version Jan 2000. > > I tried to install from CD. Everything went fine (suggested kernel), > incl. the (A) auto selection of directory sizes when, after the last > 'ok', I received the following error message: > > 1. unable to make device node for /dev/x in /dev! > 2. couldn't make filesytem properly. aborted. > > I understand that I can't install FreeBSD on my computer. > But, being a newbie, I don't undertsand the meaning of the message. > > Could someone explain, please ? > Alf You cannot install FreeBSD on 1 MB of HD space!!! Max To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 26 19:51:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe24.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A9F2F37BB29 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 19:51:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from koolmax@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 80524 invoked by uid 65534); 27 Mar 2000 03:51:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20000327035126.80522.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [193.230.163.254] From: "Max Kool" To: Subject: Dillema... Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:14:27 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, Next weekend I'm going to get my hands on: - FreeBSD (dunno what version - my cousin got it in May, last year) - RedHat Linux 6.1 - Corel Linux Now then.. My experience with UNIX is next to non-existant (I only use a shell account once in a while but that's it) so if anyone that has installed any of the above OS-s can give me a few pointers, I'd appreciate it. I want to install them ALL if it's possible and still keep my Win98. But what order should I install them in? And should I give each one a separate partition? I only have a 8 GB hard drive and I don't want them to take up more than 2 GB. I think I'll only keep the one I like most, and I think the best way to do it is to evaluate them all at once. Thanks in advance, Max To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Mar 26 21:45:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cyberfrg.access.one.net (cyberfrg.access.one.net [216.23.8.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2841937BB56 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 21:45:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from x11@cyberfrg.access.one.net) Received: (from x11@localhost) by cyberfrg.access.one.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12947; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:56:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from x11) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:56:22 -0500 From: Mark Shirley To: Max Kool , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help, please. Message-ID: <19990327005622.A12729@cyberfrg.access.one.net> Reply-To: mark@entropynet.com References: <3.0.6.32.20000321202021.00992b10@pop3.hannover.sgh-net.de> <20000327035123.83452.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000327035123.83452.qmail@hotmail.com>; from koolmax@hotmail.com on Sun, Mar 26, 2000 at 07:25:10PM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i'm sure he ment 1.1 gig and non 1.1 meg On Sun, Mar 26, 2000 at 07:25:10PM +0300, Max Kool wrote: > > I own an IBM Thinkpad Aptiva with a 400 P2 and 64 MB ram. > > There is 1.1 MB free space on which I'd like to install > > FreeBSD 3.4, version Jan 2000. > > > > I tried to install from CD. Everything went fine (suggested kernel), > > incl. the (A) auto selection of directory sizes when, after the last > > 'ok', I received the following error message: > > > > 1. unable to make device node for /dev/x in /dev! > > 2. couldn't make filesytem properly. aborted. > > > > I understand that I can't install FreeBSD on my computer. > > But, being a newbie, I don't undertsand the meaning of the message. > > > > Could someone explain, please ? > > Alf > > You cannot install FreeBSD on 1 MB of HD space!!! > > > > Max > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > -- "Minister, I have met Cartagia three times before, twice when he was an infant. He drooled most of the time. I wonder if he has continued the habit. And again when he was fifteen trying to peek up the dress of some young women. I promise you, I will be just as impressed by him now as I was then." -- Londo, "The Hour of the Wolf" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 27 0:44:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from calvin.hannover.sgh-net.de (calvin.hannover.sgh-net.de [212.86.129.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BFA937B886 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 00:44:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from puma@hannover.sgh-net.de) Received: from go.hannover.sgh-net.de [::ffff:212.86.129.147] by calvin.hannover.sgh-net.de with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #5) id 12ZV8U-0004KR-00; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:44:34 +0000 Received: from home (pppa13.hannover.sgh-net.de [193.218.208.13]) by go.hannover.sgh-net.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA32502 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:44:30 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000327104451.009a9e10@pop3.hannover.sgh-net.de> X-Sender: puma@pop3.hannover.sgh-net.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:44:51 +0100 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Alfred Breull Subject: Re: Help, please. In-Reply-To: <20000327035123.83452.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20000321202021.00992b10@pop3.hannover.sgh-net.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org :) It was a typo, alright, it is 1.1 GB. But, thank you, I found the answer myself - after several days (of disappointment): I run MS DOS, win98, Partition Magic in separate primary partitions and need an extra extended partition for sensible data. Unfortunately, FreeBSD wants a primary partition and you cannot create 5 partitions ... The extra DOS partition is required because I run go32 (for f2c) which uses memory win98 wants to keep to itself - even when installed as DOS/ win98 dualboot. I'll de-install Partition Magic's bootmanager and see if the FreeBSD bootmanager can manage my stuff. Alf ------------------------------------------- At 19:25 26.03.00 +0300, "Max Kool" nicely replied: >> I own an IBM Thinkpad Aptiva with a 400 P2 and 64 MB ram. >> There is 1.1 MB free space on which I'd like to install >> FreeBSD 3.4, version Jan 2000. >You cannot install FreeBSD on 1 MB of HD space!!! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 27 2:34:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.uskonet.com (mail.uskonet.com [196.3.164.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D387737BC32 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 02:34:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danszy@uskonet.com) Received: from vxtti (syn29.anx4.rivA.uen.net.za [196.41.192.218]) by mail.uskonet.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA08407 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:34:40 +0200 (GMT) Message-ID: <000901bf97d8$27b88f00$af76fea9@vxtti> From: ">" To: Subject: getting connected with ppp? Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:35:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is what is in my ppp.conf file: default: set device /dev/cuaa0 set speed 115200 set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \"\" AT OK-AT-OK ATE1Q0 OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT" provider: set phone 123 4567 set login set timeout 300 set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0 add default HISADDR enable dns set authname "FOO" set authkey "BAR" accept PAP and for the ppp.linkup I put: provider: delete ALL add 0 0 HISADDR When I ppp, and the 'dial provider', my modem opens up and dials the 'number' (obviously different), it then proceeds is going ppp> dial provider ppp> ppp> and on the last it disconnects. What have I done wrong? My isp uses the PAP method and I tried using many other ppp.conf.samples . I am using win98 now and want to get off it as fast as possible :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 27 2:54:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069B437BC4D for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 02:54:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p249.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.249]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA35108; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:54:13 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA00564; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:28:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:28:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Alfred Breull Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help, please. In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000327104451.009a9e10@pop3.hannover.sgh-net.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The extra DOS partition is required because I run go32 (for f2c) which > uses memory win98 wants to keep to itself - even when installed as > DOS/ win98 dualboot. I never heard this. Btw, it might be usefull to have a dedicated system for playing around etc anyway, an old 486 is enough. Heiko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 27 3:11: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1593E37BC49 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 03:11:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p183.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.183]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA44636; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:10:34 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA00627; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:07:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:07:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: ">" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: getting connected with ppp? In-Reply-To: <000901bf97d8$27b88f00$af76fea9@vxtti> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > and for the ppp.linkup I put: > > provider: > delete ALL > add 0 0 HISADDR I dont use a "ppp.linkup" file, 3.1. And I dont have my password etc in quotes. Did you know, that there is a ppp.log ? Where all the log files are.. Well, thats my ppp.conf file and yes, I have PAP too: default: set log Phase Chat LCP IPCP CCP tun command set device /dev/cuaa1 set speed 19200 set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \"\" AT OK-AT-OK ATE1Q0 OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT" set server 3000 bla rhrz: set speed 115200 set phone 9694370 set login set authname uzs106 set authkey blablabla set timeout 120 set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0 add default HISADDR enable dns The first empty char in the lines is NEEDED, it isnt just cosmetic ;-) H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 27 6:41:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from horizon2.webcentral.com.au (horizon2.webcentral.com.au [202.139.235.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C70237BA9A for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 06:41:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wyldephyre2@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 9647 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2000 14:41:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO timberwolf) (203.147.165.213) by horizon2.webcentral.com.au with SMTP; 27 Mar 2000 14:41:53 -0000 Message-ID: <004301bf97fb$7b94d480$d5a593cb@timberwolf> From: "Haikal Saadh" To: Subject: Booting from second harddisk. Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:48:10 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hiya.. I just installed 4.0-R onto my second IDE harddisk (dedicated entirely to FreeBSD!), but I can't seem to be able to boot it. The FreeBSD Boot manager has "F5: Disk 1" in addition to my windows and other fbsd partition, but that option does not work. OSBS doesn't seem to be able to handle two harddisks... Any ideas? Join the ProcessTree Network: For-pay Internet distributed processing. http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5934 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 27 6:57:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sunburst.csfi.com (sunburst.csfi.com [204.1.38.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8299837BBFA for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 06:57:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yong@csfi.com) Received: from yongdell (pc_yong [204.1.38.26]) by sunburst.csfi.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id JAA09964; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:56:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Yong Lim" To: "Haikal Saadh" , Subject: RE: Booting from second harddisk. Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:57:36 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004301bf97fb$7b94d480$d5a593cb@timberwolf> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Did you install the Boot Manager onto both the primary (hard drive with windows?) and the second hard drive? You need to do that if you did not. Yong -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Haikal Saadh Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 9:48 AM To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Booting from second harddisk. Hiya.. I just installed 4.0-R onto my second IDE harddisk (dedicated entirely to FreeBSD!), but I can't seem to be able to boot it. The FreeBSD Boot manager has "F5: Disk 1" in addition to my windows and other fbsd partition, but that option does not work. OSBS doesn't seem to be able to handle two harddisks... Any ideas? Join the ProcessTree Network: For-pay Internet distributed processing. http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5934 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 27 9:11:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8208237B8B3 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:11:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24464; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:11:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <38DF964E.D69D8BA8@gorean.org> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:11:42 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0325 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alfred Breull Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help, please. References: <3.0.6.32.20000321202021.00992b10@pop3.hannover.sgh-net.de> <3.0.6.32.20000327104451.009a9e10@pop3.hannover.sgh-net.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alfred Breull wrote: > > :) It was a typo, alright, it is 1.1 GB. > > But, thank you, I found the answer myself - after several days (of > disappointment): > > I run MS DOS, win98, Partition Magic in separate primary partitions > and need an extra extended partition for sensible data. > > Unfortunately, FreeBSD wants a primary partition and you cannot > create 5 partitions ... > > The extra DOS partition is required because I run go32 (for f2c) which > uses memory win98 wants to keep to itself - even when installed as > DOS/ win98 dualboot. > > I'll de-install Partition Magic's bootmanager and see if the > FreeBSD bootmanager can manage my stuff. I used to use the boot manager from PM (originally from OS/2 :) and I've long since converted to OS-BS beta, available at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/tools/ . If you can handle the one, you can handle the other, and osbs has the advantage of not using up a partition. Good luck, Doug -- "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. The master simply replied, "Mu." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 27 10: 9:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f293.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6312E37BD11 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:09:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmd526@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 67118 invoked by uid 0); 27 Mar 2000 18:09:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20000327180919.67117.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.220.228.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:09:19 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.220.228.2] From: "John Daniels" To: freebsd-newbies@freeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Ports questions Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:09:19 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi: I just wanted to say thanks to those who have taken the time to nswer my questions regarding ports. ***David Kelly and Scott Hetzel's*** answers have struck me as especially useful and complete. In addition, I had already received at least two other replies. I look forward to the day when I know enough about freebsd to help others. Until then, I just want to say that I have found the help from the freebsd mailing lists (i.e. the freebsd community) to be outstanding. I am reading Greg Leahy's 'The Complete FreeBSD' and 'Unix for the Impatient' (as recommended by Greg Leahy), and of course the handbook and man pages but help from others is still invaluable, especially to a newbie like myself. I came to FreeBSD after a disappointing experience with RedHat, whose (paid) support desk could not/would not lead me to a successful solution to a hardware problem which I was later able to solve with the support and encouragement of FreeBSD-ers. I worked with VMS and NT for many years and I am only now learning Unix but already I advocate to anyone who will listen that they consider FreeBSD over Linux or NT for personal and professional use. John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 27 10:15:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E69137BA2D for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:15:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA01608; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:15:17 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts004d41.mer-id.concentric.net (ts004d41.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.197]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA25423; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:15:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:12:45 -0700 (MST) From: mlduke To: DANA POHLSON W Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How can I volunteer? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Visit the freebsd.org web site. Get Jordan Hubbard's e-mail and tell him you want to volunteer. Or subscribe to questions. He's on there a bit. ML Duke > HI. I'm a big fan of UNIX, and I would always like to learn more > about it, and its history. I'm wondering, is there any chance I could > volunteer to do work for freeBSD? I think it would be so exciting to > do cool work, just because its . . . cool. Who should I talk to? > I'm not looking for work, I'm looking to get involved with an > exciting project such as freeBSD. Thanks. Hope to hear from you soon, > > -Dana Pohlson > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 27 10:31:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA9F37C1BA for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:31:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA6D80; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:32:07 -0800 Message-ID: <38DFA893.DDB55846@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:29:39 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Max Kool Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dillema... References: <20000327035126.80522.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Max Kool wrote: > > Hi all, > > Next weekend I'm going to get my hands on: > - FreeBSD (dunno what version - my cousin got it in May, last year) > - RedHat Linux 6.1 > - Corel Linux Two Gigs for each is ample. But one caveat. FreeBSD can only be installed on a primary partition. Since you also have Win98, that's four systems, so you could devote a primary partition to each of them. But, Redhat and Corel really want their own swap partition, so that's five partitions but you can only have 4 primary on a drive. I would suggest the following layout: Partition 1: 2Gig primary - Win98 Partition 2: 2Gig primary - FreeBSD Partition 3: 2Gig primary - Redhat Partition 4: extended Partition 5: 2 Gig logical - Corel Partition 6: 128Meg logical - Linux swap (for both Corel and Redhat) Also keep in mind that systems don't like to boot from above the 1024th cylinder. On some drives this is not a problem. On others (like mine) this is a major hassle with just two operating systems. If I were you, I would devote space for just two extra Unix systems. One would be the one you normally use and the other the one you play with to try out new versions or distros. Since you are new to Unix, I'll hazard a guess that all of these systems will look identical to you. After all, they share 95% of their applications between them. KDE, bash, netscape, gcc, Gimp, etc., will all be identical from system to system. The major differences you'll find will be in the areas of installation, setup/maintenance, and package selection. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 27 10:46:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from honk.org (cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1A337C0BF for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:45:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from spectre (mpoulin@cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.90.129]) by honk.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA07362; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:46:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:46:12 -0500 (EST) From: Marty Poulin X-Sender: mpoulin@spectre To: Max Kool Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dillema... In-Reply-To: <20000327035126.80522.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I have experience with all three of the OS's you list - here's my advice: 1. FreeBSD The installation should be painless - make sure to check your hardware against the hardware compatibility list, particularly if you have an ethernet card. Read the handbook online and choose "newbie" install method, and before you know it you'll have a working FreeBSD system! 2. Red Hat Linux 6.1 is a pretty good version to install - it has a "windows-like" gui installer. Their disk partition utility was ok - it will be a big help if you plan on multi-booting your system, but I still prefer the FreeBSD boot manager over LILO. 3. Corel Open Linux Yikes. I heard wonderful things about Corel, so I decided to give it a try. For some reason, their GUI install program would freeze up on my computer, and after a lot of hunting in the newsgroups I discovered that it was a hardware incompatibility with my ATI Rage 3d video card (funny that both Red Hat and Caldera were able to install flawlessly on the same machine, using a similar GUI installation). I tried a hacked-up text-based install of Corel, and ultimately got a bootable system, but the video was still a little off - I could never get the screen centered properly and the refresh rate was too low for my eyes. In my opinion Corel is still Alpha-quality, but like I said lots of people seem to like it. If you're going to try it, watch out for the ATI Rage 3d card problem. Other things to look out for: Make sure you know your hardware. FreeBSD and Linux are good with Plug & Play, but it will always be good to know IRQ's and I/O addresses in case the Plug & Play doesn't work. Know your Monitor's horizontal and vertical sync rates, as well as make, model, etc. if you plan on using the X Window System. Map out your HD Partitions in advance - eg. how much space do you want to set aside for each OS, and in which order? There are some considerations about multi-boot systems and where you can put a boot sector, so read up on it first. Of course, once you have decided that FreeBSD is much better than Linux or Windows, you can always reinstall it on the entire hard drive :) Good luck and let us know how it goes! - M - On Sun, 26 Mar 2000, Max Kool wrote: > Hi all, > > Next weekend I'm going to get my hands on: > - FreeBSD (dunno what version - my cousin got it in May, last year) > - RedHat Linux 6.1 > - Corel Linux > > Now then.. > My experience with UNIX is next to non-existant (I only use a shell > account once in a while but that's it) so if anyone that has installed > any of the above OS-s can give me a few pointers, I'd appreciate it. > I want to install them ALL if it's possible and still keep my Win98. > But what order should I install them in? And should I give each one > a separate partition? I only have a 8 GB hard drive and I don't want > them to take up more than 2 GB. I think I'll only keep the one I like > most, and I think the best way to do it is to evaluate them all at > once. > > > Thanks in advance, > Max > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 27 11: 1:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from xmh03.scott.af.mil (vejxoislxmh03.scott.af.mil [140.175.214.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6511B37C143 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:01:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DARYL.CHANCE@SCOTT.AF.MIL) Received: from cornerback.scott.af.mil (cornerback.scott.af.mil [140.175.214.11]) by xmh03.scott.af.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10455 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:04:06 -0600 Received: from cornerback.scott.af.mil (root@localhost) by cornerback.scott.af.mil with ESMTP id NAA08076 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:01:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from SMTP (vejxoisntav81.scott.af.mil [140.175.254.101]) by cornerback.scott.af.mil with SMTP id NAA08072 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:01:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from ksvejx02.SCOTT.AF.MIL ([140.175.192.102]) by 140.175.254.101 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:01:01 0000 (GMT) Received: by ksvejx02.scott.af.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:09:17 -0600 Message-ID: From: Chance Daryl SrA AMC CSS/SAS To: "'FreeBSD Newbies'" Subject: bad link ppp Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:01:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Not really sure that this is the correct list for this type of question, but I'll give it a shot :). I recently downloaded the freebsd 4.0 iso image and burned it onto a cd. Previously I had 3.4 and it ran fine, no problems with the exception of a small ppp problem, which is why I decided to give 4.0 a try. That and I had to change out a HD that was going bad :). well, it installed fine (minor partitioning problem on my part) and I set it up to be my gateway, setup the ip for it, could ping it and all that from my win boxes. Seeing all this was good, I brought up ppp something like this: ppp -nat ppp on>set device /dev/cuaa1 (modem is on com2) ppp on>dial can not open device /dev/cuaa1 bad link (or something to that effect). so, i quit out of ppp, go into /dev and do a ./MAKEDEV tun* cuaa* go back into ppp and it does the same thing. I do a ./MAKEDEV all and go back to ppp, same thing. any thoughts? any help would be appreciated. the minor problem i was hoping to resolve with ppp is this: i play Rouge Spear online with a friend of mine. I setup the ports so that if it came through on X port number, send it to my machine. i run ppp -nat -auto when i run it through auto, it doesn't alias the ports correctly. it also leaves old ips around, the mask on one is 0XFFFFFF the other is 0XFFFF00 (or something to that effect). Before, it was leaving all stale ips around, so I checked up on some stuff and found that creating a ppp.linkdown would fix it...it fixed part of it :)....cleans out all but 2. the odd thing is that all this works if i don't use auto IE: ppp -nat ppp on>dial all is fine. Thanks again, <---------------------------------------------------------------> <- SrA Daryl Chance - A programmer is someone who solves a -> <- USAF AMC CSS/SASR - problem you didn't know you had in a -> <- RAD Programmer - way you don't understand. -> <- (618) 256-5225 - - ????? -> <---------------------------------------------------------------> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 27 12:21:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from calvin.hannover.sgh-net.de (calvin.hannover.sgh-net.de [212.86.129.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB7037BD7C for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:21:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from puma@hannover.sgh-net.de) Received: from go.hannover.sgh-net.de [::ffff:212.86.129.147] by calvin.hannover.sgh-net.de with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #5) id 12Zg0t-0001iu-00; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:21:27 +0000 Received: from home (pppa38.hannover.sgh-net.de [193.218.208.38]) by go.hannover.sgh-net.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA30368 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:21:20 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000327221455.009ac4e0@pop3.hannover.sgh-net.de> X-Sender: puma@pop3.hannover.sgh-net.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:14:55 +0100 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Alfred Breull Subject: Re: Help, please. In-Reply-To: <38DF964E.D69D8BA8@gorean.org> References: <3.0.6.32.20000321202021.00992b10@pop3.hannover.sgh-net.de> <3.0.6.32.20000327104451.009a9e10@pop3.hannover.sgh-net.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sounds really promising - thank you very much ! I'll follow your advice. :) Alf ------------------ At 09:11 27.03.00 -0800, DOUG kindly suggested: > I used to use the boot manager from PM (originally from OS/2 :) and >I've long since converted to OS-BS beta, available at >ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/tools/ . If you can handle the one, >you can handle the other, and osbs has the advantage of not using up a >partition. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 27 12:21:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from calvin.hannover.sgh-net.de (calvin.hannover.sgh-net.de [212.86.129.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE5637B720 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:21:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from puma@hannover.sgh-net.de) Received: from go.hannover.sgh-net.de [::ffff:212.86.129.147] by calvin.hannover.sgh-net.de with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #5) id 12Zg0s-0001ir-00; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:21:26 +0000 Received: from home (pppa38.hannover.sgh-net.de [193.218.208.38]) by go.hannover.sgh-net.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA30361 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:21:18 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000327222140.009ac4e0@pop3.hannover.sgh-net.de> X-Sender: puma@pop3.hannover.sgh-net.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:21:40 +0100 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Alfred Breull Subject: Re: Help, please. In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000327104451.009a9e10@pop3.hannover.sgh-net.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Actually it's f32, the f2c and c/cc (compiler) GNU version from 1992/93 running under ms-dos (environment must be set), and which I need to program (Fortran IV and f77) every now and then. Win95 came a little later. :) Yes, true, it runs (almost) like hell on a 486dx. Unfortunately, my notebook is an sx33. - Do you imagine how long it takes for the sx to emulate a math co-pro when you need to keep several real large matrices in memory ? Hours and hours ! So, I'm more relaxed when my stuff requires just about one hundredth of the notebook's calculation period on the p 400. Besides, I also tried SUSE's pre-current version of the f2c and g77 some weeks ago - they even finished within just two thirds of the time the old f32/ go32 version needs (on the p400). Well, ehm, my other fortran has MS's copyright from 1982, 83, 84, the linker (v.241) from 1983, suffering from the 64KB boundary ... Finally, concerning the last part of your friendly replies - I've tested the combinations of 'my' f32/ go32 and DOS 6.2 with win95 or win98 or winNT. Booted to DOS, I get systems crashs although I exclude the corresponding areas in the config.sys. But, basically, it's no problem - I look forward to the installation of BSD. Alf ----- At 11:28 27.03.00 +0200, Heiko nicely replied: >> The extra DOS partition is required because I run go32 (for f2c) which >> uses memory win98 wants to keep to itself - even when installed as >> DOS/ win98 dualboot. > >I never heard this. Btw, it might be usefull to have a dedicated system >for playing around etc anyway, an old 486 is enough. and >Das ist aus meiner Sicht sicher falsch. Ich hab hier l3enc mit go32 >einfach in c:\windows\command, laeuft unproblematisch auch unter Win 98. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 27 12:44:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from corp.tivoli.com (corp.tivoli.com [216.140.178.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227C037B720 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:44:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Humberto_Merida@tivoli.com) Received: from tivmta4.tivoli.com (tivmta4.tivoli.com [146.84.104.47]) by corp.tivoli.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA21484 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:44:20 -0600 (CST) Received: by tivmta4.tivoli.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 862568AF.0071F06E ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:44:31 -0600 X-Lotus-FromDomain: TIVOLI SYSTEMS From: Humberto_Merida@tivoli.com To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <862568AF.0071EE16.00@tivmta4.tivoli.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:44:25 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was wondering if you can tell me how i can get a CD-ROM or where I can download FreeBSD. Thank you, Humberto Merida To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 27 13:57:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F3237B5F0 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:57:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from du23@sprynet.com) Received: from demetrio (user-33qt8d0.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.161.160]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA16599 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:56:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002c01bf9837$7423f500$a0a1aec7@demetrio> From: "Altair Demetrio" To: Subject: Configuring sio# for pnp Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:57:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01BF9805.282A9140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01BF9805.282A9140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have an PnP modem, which has worked on Linux, but I really want to use = FreeBSD. I noticed that "sio4" comes with information from my modem on installing = FreeBSD. If I try to set my modem to sio0... sio3, I get a conflict = warning with sio4, but my GENERIC kernel file doesn't have any "device = sio4" entry.=20 How do I disable sio4 to use sio0 to sio3, or... what COM should I use = with sio4? ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01BF9805.282A9140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have an PnP modem, which has = worked on Linux,=20 but I really want to use FreeBSD.
I noticed that "sio4" = comes with=20 information from my modem on installing FreeBSD. If I try to set my = modem to=20 sio0... sio3, I get a conflict warning with sio4, but my GENERIC kernel = file=20 doesn't have any "device sio4" entry.
How do I disable sio4 to use sio0 to = sio3, or...=20 what COM should I use with sio4?
------=_NextPart_000_0029_01BF9805.282A9140-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 27 14:13:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from xmh02.scott.af.mil (vejxoislxmh02.scott.af.mil [140.175.214.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 077EB37B77E for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:13:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DARYL.CHANCE@SCOTT.AF.MIL) Received: from cornerback.scott.af.mil (cornerback.scott.af.mil [140.175.214.11]) by xmh02.scott.af.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA32459; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:16:10 -0600 Received: from cornerback.scott.af.mil (root@localhost) by cornerback.scott.af.mil with ESMTP id QAA29768; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:13:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from SMTP (vejxoisntav83.scott.af.mil [140.175.254.103]) by cornerback.scott.af.mil with SMTP id QAA29744; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:13:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from ksvejx02.SCOTT.AF.MIL ([140.175.192.102]) by 140.175.254.103 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:13:07 0000 (GMT) Received: by ksvejx02.scott.af.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:21:24 -0600 Message-ID: From: Chance Daryl SrA AMC CSS/SAS To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: "'Humberto_Merida@tivoli.com'" Subject: RE: Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:13:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ heres another Getting FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/availability.html <---------------------------------------------------------------> <- SrA Daryl Chance - A programmer is someone who solves a -> <- USAF AMC CSS/SASR - problem you didn't know you had in a -> <- RAD Programmer - way you don't understand. -> <- (618) 256-5225 - - ????? -> <---------------------------------------------------------------> > -----Original Message----- > From: Humberto_Merida@tivoli.com [mailto:Humberto_Merida@tivoli.com] > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 2:44 PM > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: > > > I was wondering if you can tell me how i can get a CD-ROM or > where I can > download FreeBSD. > > Thank you, > Humberto Merida > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 27 19:56:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989CF37B8D2 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:56:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id WAA18733; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:56:53 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts002d18.mer-id.concentric.net (ts002d18.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.78]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id WAA27193; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:56:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:54:19 -0700 (MST) From: mlduke To: Haikal Saadh Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from second harddisk. In-Reply-To: <004301bf97fb$7b94d480$d5a593cb@timberwolf> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You might take a look at the FAQ, the question "windows destroyed my boot manager..." or close to that. Should walk you right through it. ML Duke > Hiya.. I just installed 4.0-R onto my second IDE harddisk (dedicated > entirely to FreeBSD!), but I can't seem to be able to boot it. > > The FreeBSD Boot manager has > "F5: Disk 1" > in addition to my windows and other fbsd partition, but that option does not > work. > OSBS doesn't seem to be able to handle two harddisks... > > Any ideas? > > > Join the ProcessTree Network: For-pay Internet distributed processing. > http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5934 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 27 19:57:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412C737BC8B for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:57:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id WAA01087; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:57:10 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts002d18.mer-id.concentric.net (ts002d18.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.78]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id WAA14504; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:57:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:54:36 -0700 (MST) From: mlduke To: Humberto_Merida@tivoli.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <862568AF.0071EE16.00@tivmta4.tivoli.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Walnut Creek: cdrom.com CD-ROM set, dowdload (and book, "The Complete FreeBSD") Download as well: freebsd.org ML Duke > I was wondering if you can tell me how i can get a CD-ROM or where I can > download FreeBSD. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 28 11:26: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost.visualedge.com (visualedge.com [207.139.24.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336A937C02C for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:25:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from martinm@visualedge.com) Received: from martinm (martinm [192.168.0.116]) by mailhost.visualedge.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA17052; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:27:57 -0500 Message-ID: <027001bf98eb$7370ebe0$7400a8c0@visualedge.com> From: "Martin MacT" To: "FreeBSD Newbies" , "Chance Daryl SrA AMC CSS/SAS" References: Subject: Re: Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:25:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I thought a programmer was just a machine which converted caffeine and nicotine into computer instructions... [Re: the sig] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chance Daryl SrA AMC CSS/SAS" To: "'Martin M'" Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 9:22 AM Subject: RE: > thanks, but the problem i had was that i left boot CDrom on in the > bios. for some reason my comp thought that it was tring to boot off the > CDrom instead of going to boot off the HD when it failed on the CD. > > once i removed the CD, all was well :). > > thnx again. > <---------------------------------------------------------------> > <- SrA Daryl Chance - A programmer is someone who solves a -> > <- USAF AMC CSS/SASR - problem you didn't know you had in a -> > <- RAD Programmer - way you don't understand. -> > <- (618) 256-5225 - - ????? -> > <---------------------------------------------------------------> > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Martin M [mailto:lalala@iprimus.ca] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 7:33 AM > > To: Chance Daryl SrA AMC CSS/SAS > > Subject: Re: > > > > > > If you download the two install disk disks (.img I > > think), booting with > > them will actually give you the option of installing via > > FTP... This is > > pretty slick, since you'll download pretty much only what you > > need for your > > config... The URL's are on the disk/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chance Daryl SrA AMC CSS/SAS" > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 5:13 PM > > Subject: RE: > > > > > > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ > > > > > > heres another > > > > > > Getting FreeBSD: > > > http://www.freebsd.org/availability.html > > > <---------------------------------------------------------------> > > > <- SrA Daryl Chance - A programmer is someone who solves a -> > > > <- USAF AMC CSS/SASR - problem you didn't know you had in a -> > > > <- RAD Programmer - way you don't understand. -> > > > <- (618) 256-5225 - - ????? -> > > > <---------------------------------------------------------------> > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Humberto_Merida@tivoli.com > > [mailto:Humberto_Merida@tivoli.com] > > > > Sent: Monday, March > > 27, 2000 2:44 PM > > > > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > > > > Subject: > > > > > > > > > > > > I was wondering if you can tell me how i can get a CD-ROM or > > > > where I can > > > > download FreeBSD. > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Humberto Merida > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 28 19:36:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web4207.mail.yahoo.com (web4207.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B6E237B8F8 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:36:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from groovy_weekapaug@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20000329033635.8638.qmail@web4207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.1.3.76] by web4207.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:36:35 PST Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:36:35 -0800 (PST) From: Harry Hood Subject: Configuring disk cache? To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'd want to make a file server and nothing else. anybody know how I can use all available memory as a disk cache (as Linux does by default)? peace __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 29 0:35:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bne003m.webcentral.com.au (horizon3.webcentral.com.au [202.139.235.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D528837B696 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 00:35:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wyldephyre2@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 16930 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2000 08:35:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO timberwolf) (203.147.165.122) by horizon3.webcentral.com.au with SMTP; 29 Mar 2000 08:35:24 -0000 Message-ID: <004d01bf995a$a1e97040$7aa593cb@timberwolf> From: "Haikal Saadh" To: "Yong Lim" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Booting from second harddisk. Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:41:51 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yup.. tried that... OSBS-beta doesn't seem to be quite able to boot my second harddisk. The default boot manager trashes by active partition. I've found a temporory workaround by installing the default bootmanager, and the writeprotecting the boot records under bios. Not elegant, but it works... ----- Original Message ----- From: Yong Lim To: Haikal Saadh ; Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 12:57 AM Subject: RE: Booting from second harddisk. > Did you install the Boot Manager onto both the primary (hard drive with > windows?) and the second hard drive? You need to do that if you did not. > > Yong > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Haikal Saadh > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 9:48 AM > To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Booting from second harddisk. > > > Hiya.. I just installed 4.0-R onto my second IDE harddisk (dedicated > entirely to FreeBSD!), but I can't seem to be able to boot it. > > The FreeBSD Boot manager has > "F5: Disk 1" > in addition to my windows and other fbsd partition, but that option does not > work. > OSBS doesn't seem to be able to handle two harddisks... > > Any ideas? > > > Join the ProcessTree Network: For-pay Internet distributed processing. > http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5934 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 29 7:45: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web616.mail.yahoo.com (web616.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E863537BB81 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:44:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennisjun@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20000329154330.25318.qmail@web616.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.114.163.66] by web616.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:43:30 PST Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:43:30 -0800 (PST) From: Dennis Jun Subject: X4.0 freezing and errors To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all! I have a system with FreeBSD 4.0 Release and X4.0 on it, but I'm having some troubles. Specifically, X will freeze on me from time to time. I have no clue why. However, I think this error message mite be a clue. (II) Keyboard "Keyboard1" handled by legacy driver (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Mouse1" (type: MOUSE) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap (WW) fcntl(7, F_SETOWN): Inappropriate ioctl for device The last line, does anyone have a clue what that means? Much thanx in advance. ===== PGP public key: http://i.am/dennisjun/ or ldap://certserver.pgp.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 29 17:51:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F5A37B9BE for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:51:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id UAA26544; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:51:19 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts002d46.mer-id.concentric.net (ts002d46.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.106]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id UAA05339; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:51:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:48:45 -0700 (MST) From: mlduke To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Information Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Information I wish I'd known about 2 years ago. Say we've just installed a port, xboard for example, we feel like getting trashed in a chess game. Successful install, no errors, but in response to: >xboard we get: Command not found. So do: >/usr/libexec/locate.updatedb & And go do something else until it's done. Then do: locate xboard And we get more data than we want to look at, ports and such. We can do: locate xboard | more And hunt through all the data but: locate xboard | grep bin Shows easily that the xboard binary is in: /usr/local/bin So we do: /usr/local/bin/xboard And the game is on. Just thought there might be others who would find this to be of interest. ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 29 20:44:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (brisba6.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.66.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E5537BA74 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:44:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA29653 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:44:51 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "ROADRUNNER" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdA29649; Thu Mar 30 14:44:44 2000 Message-ID: <002801bf9a02$c96ba3b0$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> From: "Doug Young" To: Subject: mySQL Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:45:32 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Suggestions please on where I might find pre-school level step_by_step explanation of compiling / configuring "mySQL". All I require at this point in time is the most basic setup possible, eg login commands / starting & stopping the database etc, absolutely nothing whatsoever in the way of "bells & whistles", so stuff like a thousand page O'Reilly book is NOT indicated To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 29 20:53:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tasam.com (tasam.com [206.161.83.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF1D37B779 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:53:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from korvus@tasam.com) Received: from korvus (hc6523b85.dhcp.vt.edu [198.82.59.133]) by tasam.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA35809; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:52:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from korvus@tasam.com) Message-ID: <007b01bf9a03$d38ee540$853b52c6@korvus> From: "Jeff Poole" To: "Doug Young" , References: <002801bf9a02$c96ba3b0$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> Subject: Re: mySQL Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:52:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org cd /usr/ports/databases/mysql322-server/ make install that's the easiest way i play with mysql a decent amount, so if you have any more questions feel free to send me an email ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Young" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 11:45 PM Subject: mySQL > Suggestions please on where I might find pre-school level step_by_step > explanation of compiling / configuring "mySQL". All I require at this point > in time is the most basic setup possible, eg login commands / starting & > stopping the database etc, absolutely nothing whatsoever in the way of > "bells & whistles", so stuff like a thousand page O'Reilly book is NOT > indicated > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 29 21: 9:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F01837B7A8 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:09:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from slave (doug@slave [10.0.0.1]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA54646; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:09:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:09:45 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Barton X-Sender: doug@dt051n0b.san.rr.com To: mlduke Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Information In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, mlduke wrote: > /usr/local/bin/xboard > And the game is on. You're working too hard. :) grep xboard /var/db/pkg/xboard/+CONTENTS :) Doug -- "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. The master simply replied, "Mu." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 29 22:42:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD14437B7A2 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 22:42:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id BAA25994; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 01:42:48 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts001d43.mer-id.concentric.net (ts001d43.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.55]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id BAA17822; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 01:42:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 22:40:14 -0700 (MST) From: mlduke To: Doug Barton Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Information In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Knew some wise ... would do that. What about before you knew it? Duke > > /usr/local/bin/xboard > > And the game is on. > > You're working too hard. :) > > grep xboard /var/db/pkg/xboard/+CONTENTS > > :) > > Doug > -- > "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into > existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. > The master simply replied, "Mu." > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 29 22:45:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971FC37BE71 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 22:45:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id BAA26250; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 01:45:45 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts001d43.mer-id.concentric.net (ts001d43.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.55]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id BAA01744; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 01:45:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 22:43:11 -0700 (MST) From: mlduke To: Doug Barton Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Information In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You missed the entire point. This was not for people who know--it is for those who do not. Your kind of stuff helps put a stop to similar stuff. ...unless I am the sender... Duke > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, mlduke wrote: > > > /usr/local/bin/xboard > > And the game is on. > > You're working too hard. :) > > grep xboard /var/db/pkg/xboard/+CONTENTS > > :) > > Doug > -- > "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into > existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. > The master simply replied, "Mu." > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 30 13:40:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E0337B53F for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:40:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from slave (doug@slave [10.0.0.1]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA62000; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:40:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:40:05 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Barton X-Sender: doug@dt051n0b.san.rr.com To: mlduke Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Information In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, mlduke wrote: > You missed the entire point. > This was not for people who know--it is for those who do not. > Your kind of stuff helps put a stop to similar stuff. > ...unless I am the sender... You'll have to excuse me if I don't quite understand your point. If you are saying that you should be posting long, overly complex solutions to simple problems, and not have a more experienced user offer a simpler, alternative suggestion, that's just plain silly. One of the initial objections to the formation of this list was that it had the potential to devolve into a "blind leading the blind" problem. I am all for having new users share their insights, and I encourage others to do so. But part of learning is to be open to new ways of doing things, so please don't be surprised if someone else (whether they be a more or less experienced user than you are) has a better and/or different solution to the same problem. That's part of how unix works. Good luck, Doug > > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, mlduke wrote: > > > > > /usr/local/bin/xboard > > > And the game is on. > > > > You're working too hard. :) > > > > grep xboard /var/db/pkg/xboard/+CONTENTS > > > > :) -- "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. The master simply replied, "Mu." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 30 14:29: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sunburst.csfi.com (sunburst.csfi.com [204.1.38.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CDB137C1F6 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:28:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yong@csfi.com) Received: from yongdell (pc_yong [204.1.38.26]) by sunburst.csfi.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id RAA28641 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:28:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Yong Lim" To: "'FreeBSD Newbies'" Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:29:38 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm not sure if this is the correct area to pose this question but here it is. . .If I pose this question on the wrong mailing list please let me know. Naturally, the title seems to fit my state of FreeBSD understanding. I just installed FreeBSD 4R last weekend and everything went pretty well. The odd thing is during the drive partition if I select auto for the drive allocation then I was not able to go back and change the size of the various mount points. May be I was doing something wrong. . .Great job by the way to those that made these happened. Any way on to my question: I also installed XFree 3 with rxvt and Window Maker. If I login to the system using any other users beside root with rxvt my backspace function properly. But if I su to root or login as root the backspace no long work inside of rxvt. Yong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 30 15: 1:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cell-works.com (cell-works.com [216.112.245.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82C537B9CD for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:01:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@cell-works.com) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by cell-works.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06879; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:17:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from john@cell-works.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:17:48 -0500 (EST) From: John Daniel To: Doug Barton Cc: mlduke , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Information In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmmm if I may I'd like to say something....I've been looking at both your solutions to the problem and to me it six of one half a dozen of the other which i would use in that situation. mlduke showed a few things that I think i'll find useful how to update locate ( ever download a file then can't find it the next day or even that afternoon, I have. And then have you locate fail because the database is old) Shows me a little about piping and where binaries are found and string together a bunch of simple commands to get things done. And it works. (works is always good in my book) Your solution Doug is more elegant ( I can tell because I wasn't entirely sure how it worked so it must be real elegant. :-) ) and requires you know something about how packages are installed and what is kept in the files in individual subdirectories of the packages. you both gave me fodder for growth in freebsd. After that things started to sound a little pissy in my opinion. I think it could be just a little misunderstanding based on it being hard to convey emotion and intent in email. Emoticons can only go so far. or too much brevity leaving meaning in doubt. This is a forum for discussion, look what I can do, did ,or will do and i like it that way. Sometimes we stray into questions but we're newbies( I myself have been a newbie for 2 years.) If you guys are angry please squash it or clarify you points then squash it. We are all FRIENDLY strangers here. pax ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I hope that after I die, people will say of me : " That guy sure owed me a lot of money." -JH ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Doug Barton wrote: > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, mlduke wrote: > > > You missed the entire point. > > This was not for people who know--it is for those who do not. > > Your kind of stuff helps put a stop to similar stuff. > > ...unless I am the sender... > > You'll have to excuse me if I don't quite understand your > point. If you are saying that you should be posting long, overly complex > solutions to simple problems, and not have a more experienced user offer a > simpler, alternative suggestion, that's just plain silly. One of the > initial objections to the formation of this list was that it had the > potential to devolve into a "blind leading the blind" problem. > > I am all for having new users share their insights, and I > encourage others to do so. But part of learning is to be open to new ways > of doing things, so please don't be surprised if someone else (whether > they be a more or less experienced user than you are) has a better and/or > different solution to the same problem. That's part of how unix works. > > Good luck, > > Doug > > > > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, mlduke wrote: > > > > > > > /usr/local/bin/xboard > > > > And the game is on. > > > > > > You're working too hard. :) > > > > > > grep xboard /var/db/pkg/xboard/+CONTENTS > > > > > > :) > > -- > "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into > existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. > The master simply replied, "Mu." > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 30 15:54:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cell-works.com (cell-works.com [216.112.245.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE4937B536 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:54:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@cell-works.com) Received: from localhost (john@localhost) by cell-works.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA06953 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:10:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from john@cell-works.com) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:10:50 -0500 (EST) From: John Daniel To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Cvsup Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There was a string of emails describing cvsup recently. Unfortunately I deleted my copies in a fit of spring cleaning. (ever throw something out then find out you needed it later?) If someone still has them I would appreciate them forwarding them to me. After reading manuals and trying to configure cvsup the score stands at cvsup 3 me 0 but I plan a come from behind win this weekend so i'm trying to get some more info. I generally get the error that I've been refused by hte server( I've tried 3 or 4 of them so I think it must be me) I tried searching www.freebsd.org for the mail messages but no luck. I just want to get a updated copy of the ports collection for 3.3.4 and be ready to update to 3.3.5 when it comes out.( two separate issues I know) Anybody got a well commented set of instructions? Most of the instructions I've seen assume I know things I don't. But still don't seem to cut to the chase for me. Thanks in Advance ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I hope that after I die, people will say of me : " That guy sure owed me a lot of money." -JH ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 30 15:56:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D2737B7E0 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:56:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from slave (doug@slave [10.0.0.1]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA63095; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:56:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:56:39 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Barton X-Sender: doug@dt051n0b.san.rr.com To: John Daniel Cc: mlduke , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Information In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, John Daniel wrote: > Your solution Doug is more elegant ( I can tell because I wasn't entirely > sure how it worked so it must be real elegant. :-) ) Bah. :) > and requires you know something about how packages are installed and what > is kept in the files in individual subdirectories of the packages. This is more to the point. I had actually prepared a more comprehensive post that explained how ports almost always (like, 99%) install things in /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/sbin, or if it's an X app, /usr/X11R6/bin... etc. But I sometimes get accused of "talking down to the newbies," so I decided to go for brevity (or, as you say, elegance). It seems that I can't make people happy no matter which way I go with it. > you both gave me fodder for growth in freebsd. Which is the entire point of this list. IMO it's important to know how ports get installed, where they get installed, and how to find seemingly missing bits. If my post fostered interest on your part to pursue it further, I've done my job. If all you ever do is remember that one line and use it every 3 months to find something, I'm ok with that too. When I started using FreeBSD I had a HUGE file full of useful bits that the "expert" users had mentioned in an e-mail somewhere. Often I just used that information unvarnished, and then 3 months, 6 months, a year later I hopefully came to a better understanding of what I was doing and why. The point, as you stated so elegantly (if I may borrow your term) is that without discussion, none of us learn. Doug -- "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. The master simply replied, "Mu." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 30 18:40:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.tor.primus.ca (mail2.tor.primus.ca [216.254.136.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3DE37C2A1 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:40:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lalala@iprimus.ca) Received: from dialin151.montreal.globalserve.net ([209.167.12.152] helo=martyc) by mail2.tor.primus.ca with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 12arP7-0006IG-04; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:43:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01bf9ab9$d0b0faf0$0100a8c0@martyc> From: "Martin M" To: "Newbies FreeBSD" , "Yong Lim" References: Subject: Re: Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:35:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Root is using a different shell from the other users is my guess... try "echo $SHELL" for a few different users: if this is the case, type "chsh" at the command prompt while logged in as root to change to the shell you prefer... probably bash... type "which bash" to find out where bash is (likely /usr/local/bin/bash) and put that in root's info using vi. you want to run "bash" from the command line prior to "chsh", so that when you are in vi, your backsapces will work... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yong Lim" To: "'FreeBSD Newbies'" Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 5:29 PM > Hi, > I'm not sure if this is the correct area to pose this question but here > it is. . .If I pose this question on the wrong mailing list please let me > know. Naturally, the title seems to fit my state of FreeBSD understanding. > > I just installed FreeBSD 4R last weekend and everything went pretty well. > The odd thing is during the drive partition if I select auto for the drive > allocation then I was not able to go back and change the size of the various > mount points. May be I was doing something wrong. . .Great job by the way > to those that made these happened. > > Any way on to my question: I also installed XFree 3 with rxvt and Window > Maker. If I login to the system using any other users beside root with rxvt > my backspace function properly. But if I su to root or login as root the > backspace no long work inside of rxvt. > > Yong > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 30 20:39:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A3F37B66D for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:39:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA65541; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:39:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <38E42C0D.3B832DBC@gorean.org> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:39:41 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: morrildl@nycap.rr.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Information References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dan wrote me privately to say that his response was intended for the list. morrildl@nycap.rr.com wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Doug Barton wrote: > > > Which is the entire point of this list. IMO it's important to know > > how ports get installed, where they get installed, and how to find > > seemingly missing bits. > > Not to get off on a tangent, but this raises a curious point; namely, > what's a "newbie"? Is the audience of this list a newbie to Unix, or just > a newbie to FreeBSD? > > (The answer, of course, is "yes", right? ;) Yes. > But since you mentioned ports, and since this is supposed to be a low-flame > list, I thought I'd ask a really dumb question. > > I am a FreeBSD newbie; I am not a Unix newbie. I've been doing the Linux > thing for, oh, four or five years now, and I think at this point I could > probably build and bootstrap my own distribution. (Fear not; I can also > hold my own on AIX and Solaris.) Unfortunately, as Linux becomes more and > more "mainstream", I find myself longing for a bit more of that good old > alternative OS high that is starting to dwindle in Linux. Plus, I hear all > the REAL Unix hackers live in BSD-land. ;) > > So, my really dumb question is this: how does one go about grokking the > FreeBSD? Go to http://www.freebsd.org/ and read the enitre Handbook and FAQ. That'll give you an excellent foundation. > I mean, I have a general sense of FreeBSD; it uses CVSup for > source distribution, the project manages the whole OS vs. just the kernel as > in the Linux world, there's a "ports" tree containing various ported > software, etc. > > But there's also a lot I don't know yet. For example, what's the best way > to learn how to customize your cvsup config file? There isn't much to configure. You just specify the collections you want, and where to get them from. Mine hasn't changed in like, 3 years. (Well, that's not entirely true, I am pulling down the new crypto sources now for the OPENSS[HL] stuff.) The one thing you might want to tweak is your refuse file. Mine looks like this: doc/es* doc/fr* doc/ja* doc/ru* doc/zh* ports/biology ports/cad ports/chinese ports/german ports/japanese ports/korean ports/palm ports/russian ports/vietnamese src/sys/alpha src/sys/pc98 www/es www/ja www/ru www/zh This prevents me from downloading anything in those collections, which frees up some disk for me, and reduces the load on the cvsup servers. > Is there decent Java support on FreeBSD? Depends on your definition of "decent." I don't do Java, but word is that it works pretty well as both an application and development platform. > How does one become Enlightened in the Zen of the > Versions (i.e. what's the difference between RELEASE and STABLE?) Handbook helps here, but the illustration I like to use is a string. The CVS repo is where the weaving is being done. At any given time when you check out the sources, you're getting the end of the string, which we call -Stable. Every once in a while they cut a -Release, which you can think of as a specific point on the string. > Are the FreeBSD user-land tools the same as on Linux? Some are, some are not. Enjoy your journey of discovery. :) Doug > (e.g. `ps`, the GNU binutils, `pidof`, and so forth.) > > Is there a web page or something that covers this kind of thing? I didn't > see anything on freebsd.org that screamed out, "Hey Newbie -- READ ME!" > (But then I have a penchant for over-skimming web pages.) > > Bear in mind that I don't have a FreeBSD installation yet. (And I won't > for a little while more -- gotta finish my MS this semester and be done with > the damn thing. Then, hello summer projects!! :) Is there anywhere a > lurker can look for this kind of info? > > Dan Morrill > Computer Scientist, Physicist -- "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. The master simply replied, "Mu." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 31 4:12:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hellasnet.gr (mail.hellasnet.gr [212.54.192.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1607E37B748 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 04:12:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (ppp1.patr.hellasnet.gr [212.54.197.16]) by mail.hellasnet.gr (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09389; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:10:58 +0200 (GMT) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA94785; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:31:03 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from charon) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:31:03 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Yong Lim Cc: "'FreeBSD Newbies'" Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <20000331143102.A94480@hades.hell.gr> Reply-To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from yong@csfi.com on Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 05:29:38PM -0500 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 62 45 D1 C9 26 F9 95 06 D6 21 2A C8 8C 16 C0 8E Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 30, 2000 at 05:29:38PM -0500, Yong Lim wrote: > > Any way on to my question: I also installed XFree 3 with rxvt and > Window Maker. If I login to the system using any other users beside > root with rxvt my backspace function properly. But if I su to root or > login as root the backspace no long work inside of rxvt. Rxvt can understand the X resources of XTerm, too. Try writing in a file in your $HOME directory the following: XTerm*backspacekey: ^H Let's assume that you named the file ~/.Xdefaults for a while. Then you can use, while you're in X11, the command: % xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults See if things are working properly for you then, and if not, try setting XTerm*backspacekey to ^? instead of ^H. One of the two ought to work :) To have the command xrdb executed to load this resource file every time you start X11, you can add the xrdb -load command in your ~/.xinitrc file (if it's not already in there). If you find out that you don't have an ~/.xinitrc file, then you can copy the system default from /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc to .xinitrc in your $HOME, and edit the file to suit your taste and/or style. - Giorgos Keramidas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 31 5:39: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sunburst.csfi.com (sunburst.csfi.com [204.1.38.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E3637B9E9 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 05:38:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yong@csfi.com) Received: from yongdell (pc_yong [204.1.38.26]) by sunburst.csfi.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id IAA00274; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:38:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Yong Lim" To: "Martin M" , "Newbies FreeBSD" Subject: RE: root backspace Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 08:39:44 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <000f01bf9ab9$d0b0faf0$0100a8c0@martyc> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I did try that. After I su to root from another user, I execute /usr/local/bin/tcsh and it still won't work. The odd thing is if I use the XTerm that comes with Window Maker it works fine without any change at all. Thanks for your suggestions, Yong -----Original Message----- From: Martin M [mailto:lalala@iprimus.ca] Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 9:36 PM To: Newbies FreeBSD; Yong Lim Subject: Re: Root is using a different shell from the other users is my guess... try "echo $SHELL" for a few different users: if this is the case, type "chsh" at the command prompt while logged in as root to change to the shell you prefer... probably bash... type "which bash" to find out where bash is (likely /usr/local/bin/bash) and put that in root's info using vi. you want to run "bash" from the command line prior to "chsh", so that when you are in vi, your backsapces will work... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yong Lim" To: "'FreeBSD Newbies'" Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 5:29 PM > Hi, > I'm not sure if this is the correct area to pose this question but here > it is. . .If I pose this question on the wrong mailing list please let me > know. Naturally, the title seems to fit my state of FreeBSD understanding. > > I just installed FreeBSD 4R last weekend and everything went pretty well. > The odd thing is during the drive partition if I select auto for the drive > allocation then I was not able to go back and change the size of the various > mount points. May be I was doing something wrong. . .Great job by the way > to those that made these happened. > > Any way on to my question: I also installed XFree 3 with rxvt and Window > Maker. If I login to the system using any other users beside root with rxvt > my backspace function properly. But if I su to root or login as root the > backspace no long work inside of rxvt. > > Yong > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 31 10:32:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost.visualedge.com (visualedge.com [207.139.24.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DEDF37BE17 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:32:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from martinm@visualedge.com) Received: from martinm (martinm [192.168.0.116]) by mailhost.visualedge.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA09577; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:34:15 -0500 Message-ID: <04a901bf9b3f$5ea8f800$7400a8c0@visualedge.com> From: "Martin MacT" To: "FreeBSD Newbies" , "Yong Lim" References: Subject: Re: root backspace Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:31:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hmmm... I'm somewhat stymied then... a Window Maker Xterm is still just an Xterm, and what'll determine how characters behave is the shell attached to said term as well as X's kb config... But you say root has the problems only OUTSIDE of X, meaning X hasn't misconfigured your kb... Also, you should have only one X installed, used by all users so if the problem were with X, everyone would have it... hmmm... I don't mean to be stupid, but have you tried "/usr/local/bin/bash" rather than tcsh? I seem to recall having no problems with tcsh, but... You might want to try throwing this one to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org.... Those people are all smart and stuff (as in not all newbies). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yong Lim" To: "Martin M" ; "Newbies FreeBSD" Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 8:39 AM Subject: RE: root backspace > I did try that. After I su to root from another user, I execute > /usr/local/bin/tcsh and it still won't work. The odd thing is if I use the > XTerm that comes with Window Maker it works fine without any change at all. > > Thanks for your suggestions, > > Yong > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin M [mailto:lalala@iprimus.ca] > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 9:36 PM > To: Newbies FreeBSD; Yong Lim > Subject: Re: > > > Root is using a different shell from the other users is my guess... > > try "echo $SHELL" for a few different users: if this is the case, > type "chsh" at the command prompt while logged in as root > to change to the shell you prefer... probably bash... type "which bash" > to find out where bash is (likely /usr/local/bin/bash) and put that in > root's > info using vi. > > > you want to run "bash" from the command line prior to "chsh", so > that when you are in vi, your backsapces will work... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Yong Lim" > To: "'FreeBSD Newbies'" > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 5:29 PM > > > > Hi, > > I'm not sure if this is the correct area to pose this question but here > > it is. . .If I pose this question on the wrong mailing list please let me > > know. Naturally, the title seems to fit my state of FreeBSD > understanding. > > > > I just installed FreeBSD 4R last weekend and everything went pretty > well. > > The odd thing is during the drive partition if I select auto for the drive > > allocation then I was not able to go back and change the size of the > various > > mount points. May be I was doing something wrong. . .Great job by the way > > to those that made these happened. > > > > Any way on to my question: I also installed XFree 3 with rxvt and > Window > > Maker. If I login to the system using any other users beside root with > rxvt > > my backspace function properly. But if I su to root or login as root the > > backspace no long work inside of rxvt. > > > > Yong > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 31 10:41: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080CD37BCC7 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:40:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA14147; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:40:57 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts003d29.mer-id.concentric.net (ts003d29.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.137]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA23826; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:40:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:38:24 -0700 (MST) From: mlduke To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Another Tool Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Being as ardent admirer of Ingo Swan, I have followed development of his book: http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/RealStory.html with a great deal of interest until life interfered a couple years ago. Rediscovered his web site and gathered in all in with a single command: wget -r url Curiously, man wget turns up nothing. ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 31 18:30:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED7D37B87F for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:30:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA96674 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 12:30:17 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 12:30:17 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200004010230.MAA96674@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Apr 1 21:40: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07CD237B6AB for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:40:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j.telford@sympatico.ca) Received: from sympatico.ca (HSE-Toronto-ppp86962.sympatico.ca [216.209.24.245]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA20824; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 00:43:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38E6DB66.1C2F259B@sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 00:32:22 -0500 From: John Telford X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-SYMPA (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD References: <20000309034055.68220.qmail@hotmail.com> <20000309142747.M58942@freebie.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm going through your book now and setting up a production firewall/ftp/gateway server based on it and a lot of help from an advocate of FreeBSD who is our main ISP. My unix knowledge goes back to getting a SCO xenix box running but since we didn't have a purpose for it, the project kind of died, my loss. I've been living a sheltered life on in-house LANs and GUI 95/NT for 4 years so its been a shock to say the least to point a machine at the internet in command prompt mode. Firewalls, DNS, outside e-mail etc.. I'm now at the point of setting up the box to do DNS. This server will sit on a cable ISP so I think the most basic way to do this would be to have the server just act as a forwarder to their DNS. But I would also like to set up an internal private DNS. I didn't see an example in the book (3rd edition) of how to do this, forwarder/internal DNS. Perhaps it could be added to next edition ? I'll pick up the other book you suggest ASAP. Its a good read so far, Thanks, John. Greg Lehey wrote: > n Wednesday, 8 March 2000 at 19:40:55 -0800, Cosmic 665 wrote: > >> Hello my name is Caleb Walker I am trying to learn the UNIX operating > >> system right now. I am a Windows NT Network Engineer in California. I > >> am very interested in helping others and being involved in helping > >> forward FreeBSD UNIX. Please let me know what I can do. > > > > I don't think you need to learn unix before FreeBSD. Just make sure > > you understand the diferences between system V and BSD. It would > > probably be in your best intrest to learn FreeBSD before any other > > unix OS. Since a lot of ISP's (ex. USWest, etc.) use FreeBSD. Get > > "The Complete FreeBSD" by Greg Lehey (the author is often found on > > this mailing list), > > It happens :-) Usually I keep my mouth shut (Aunty Sue's orders). > > > as well as a book like "Unix Secrets" and "Uinx in a Nutshell". > > Really my book isn't for people learning UNIX, it's for people who > have some idea of UNIX who want to learn to use FreeBSD. So Caleb's > idea is, at least in theory, a good one. > > The real question is: what's a good book for learning UNIX? There > were none when I learnt UNIX, but one book I rather like is "UNIX for > the Impatient" by Abrahams and Larson (Addison Wesley). I'd be > interested in feedback from real newbies who have started out with > this book, because it will help me decide whether to continue > recommending it. > > Greg > -- > Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > See complete headers for address and phone numbers > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message